Music stars demand records on use of music for torture

[MercedesV]

A group of prominent musicians are joining a campaign to close Guantanamo Bay and demanding the release of records about what music was used during the potential torture of detainees there and at other facilities.

Some of the more famous names in the music industry are formally lending their prestige to an effort being led by retired generals, progressive groups and a former member of Congress to shut GITMO down. The list includes Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine, R.E.M., Pearl Jam, Jackson Browne, Rise Against, Rosanne Cash, Billy Bragg and the Roots, all of whom are joining the broader National Campaign to Close Guantanamo which was launched earlier in the week.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/music-stars-demand-record_n_329476.html

[RockPause]

A group of prominent musicians are joining a campaign to close Guantanamo Bay and demanding the release of records about what music was used during the potential torture of detainees there and at other facilities.

Some of the more famous names in the music industry are formally lending their prestige to an effort being led by retired generals, progressive groups and a former member of Congress to shut GITMO down. The list includes Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine, R.E.M., Pearl Jam, Jackson Browne, Rise Against, Rosanne Cash, Billy Bragg and the Roots, all of whom are joining the broader National Campaign to Close Guantanamo which was launched earlier in the week.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/music-stars-demand-record_n_329476.htmlThat sings a mouthful, music community and retired military generals united to shut down GITMO.

[snookums1]

A group of prominent musicians are joining a campaign to close Guantanamo Bay and demanding the release of records about what music was used during the potential torture of detainees there and at other facilities.

Some of the more famous names in the music industry are formally lending their prestige to an effort being led by retired generals, progressive groups and a former member of Congress to shut GITMO down. The list includes Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine, R.E.M., Pearl Jam, Jackson Browne, Rise Against, Rosanne Cash, Billy Bragg and the Roots, all of whom are joining the broader National Campaign to Close Guantanamo which was launched earlier in the week.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/music-stars-demand-record_n_329476.html Seems to me they have a leg to stand on if their music was played non-stop at high volumn for days on end in such a manner as to torture people. Their music is meant for entertainment value. Not something so heinous as torture.

[snookums1]

That sings a mouthful, music community and retired military generals united to shut down GITMO. Many still in the military would tell you that places like GITMO created them a lot of problems and caused a lot of their soldiers to be killed in retribution. It does not surprise me at all that those that are retired and can are joining in this.

[ABC]

Any chance those Gitmo detainees will be relocated to a half way house next to the music star's homes?

[MercedesV]

As one musican said they have used their music for years for peace, and wouldn't let Cheney use it in a campaign they certainly don't want it used for torture.

You have a wide spectrum of people joining together in a common purpose to close Gitmo. A real grass roots organization for an excellent cause. Gitmo has done nothing good for the US, and probably has caused harm. Not to mention increasing terrorism.

[theal3]

wow, that reminds me of when Bush One was in and trying to smoke out Noriega in his compounds and they used Music blasting high for days and days and days.

I say, good. and reminds me during the GOP rallies and campagin tours when they used music "illegally" and artists sued, or stopped it. There are things like fair use, and copyright, but the GOP doesn't care about the rule of law, unless they are going after someone. IMHO.

[snookums1]

As one musican said they have used their music for years for peace, and wouldn't let Cheney use it in a campaign they certainly don't want it used for torture.

You have a wide spectrum of people joining together in a common purpose to close Gitmo. A real grass roots organization for an excellent cause. Gitmo has done nothing good for the US, and probably has caused harm. Not to mention increasing terrorism. And so many of those held at GITMO were only guilty of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. There never was any evidence against them because none existed. After that terrible experience not only did they learn to hate, everyone they knew at home learned to hate as well. And all of that hatred was aimed in one direction. Our soldiers.

[RockPause]

Any chance those Gitmo detainees will be relocated to a half way house next to the music star's homes?Why? Many of the detainees have done nothing wrong. Allow them to return to their home countries. Remember the Uighurs?

Otherwise, send any "threat" to a federal prison in the US and allow due process to begin.

[flareon]

Any chance those Gitmo detainees will be relocated to a half way house next to the music star's homes?

That would be justice. Just when you think you can't see anything sillier than the last feigned outrage, something like this comes along. :laugh:

[RockPause]

That would be justice. Just when you think you can't see anything sillier than the last feigned outrage, something like this comes along. :laugh:What part of due process and habeas corpus is funny to you?

[juliekan]

A group of prominent musicians are joining a campaign to close Guantanamo Bay and demanding the release of records about what music was used during the potential torture of detainees there and at other facilities.

Some of the more famous names in the music industry are formally lending their prestige to an effort being led by retired generals, progressive groups and a former member of Congress to shut GITMO down. The list includes Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine, R.E.M., Pearl Jam, Jackson Browne, Rise Against, Rosanne Cash, Billy Bragg and the Roots, all of whom are joining the broader National Campaign to Close Guantanamo which was launched earlier in the week.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/music-stars-demand-record_n_329476.html

My first thought is that they just want the money they are normally paid, contractually, for anytime their music gets played? What's the term for that?

[RockPause]

My first thought is that they just want the money they are normally paid, contractually, for anytime their music gets played? What's the term for that?Your first thought or residuals?

If the issue was about money, a creative artist with a mediocre lawyer could make a BIG case for libel, and oh the $$$$ for anguish. "My music used for torture, ......." Probably far more lucrative than any plaint about residuals.

Read the OP's link. Consider, this is a combination of people successful in the music industry and retired generals. Odd couples, eh? IMO? Speaks to their sincerity in closing GITMO.

[juliekan]

Yes, my first thought was residuals. Thanks, could not pull that word out of my brain.

also, could not see any of Jackson Browne's music as torture :laugh: of course my kids might....

[RockPause]

Yes, my first thought was residuals. Thanks, could not pull that word out of my brain.

also, could not see any of Jackson Browne's music as torture :laugh: of course my kids might....:lol: I enjoy a variety of music, but doubt I'd enjoy any song at ear shattering volume in an endless loop.

[Marcia3]

Yes, my first thought was residuals. Thanks, could not pull that word out of my brain.

also, could not see any of Jackson Browne's music as torture :laugh: of course my kids might....

Oh, I don't know...if I had to listen to some of his stuff from the late eighties I might consider it torture...

I see this as a valid complaint by the musicians involved and a good "hook" for the freedom of information request. Hard to deny it based on the use of work product for torture or interragation tactics.

These musicians have every right to know if their music was used for these purposes. I am not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination and I usually dismiss any entertainer's political "outrage" as just another way of getting their name circulating around...they all depend on folks remembering who they are and that they are still producing work that we can enjoy for a price...but in this case, I think they have a legitimate complaint.

Gitmo is not something I am proud of as a conservative. I don't have to endorse everything Bush and Cheney did in order to support their overall performance while in office.

As always, JMHO.

[flareon]

ROFL.

I can see why some of these artists' work was used. MO

I was going to say that too. I guess some of these people will do anything to try to regain their "15 minutes". :biggrin:

[RockPause]

Oh, I don't know...if I had to listen to some of his stuff from the late eighties I might consider it torture...

I see this as a valid complaint by the musicians involved and a good "hook" for the freedom of information request. Hard to deny it based on the use of work product for torture or interragation tactics.

These musicians have every right to know if their music was used for these purposes. I am not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination and I usually dismiss any entertainer's political "outrage" as just another way of getting their name circulating around...they all depend on folks remembering who they are and that they are still producing work that we can enjoy for a price...but in this case, I think they have a legitimate complaint.

Gitmo is not something I am proud of as a conservative. I don't have to endorse everything Bush and Cheney did in order to support their overall performance while in office.

As always, JMHO.As demonstrated by the retired military members who joined with the musicians, GITMO crosses American sensibility. IMO It is not a matter of anyones 'politics.' Most agree, politics aside, that our Constitution is a great document and due process is a major element of our core beliefs.

[watcher2005]

The 44th President's first 100 days: Obama to order Guantanamo Bay prison closed
By Ed Henry
CNN Senior White House Correspondent

© 2009 Cable News Network. Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

"President-elect Barack Obama plans to order the closing of the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay as early as his first week in office to show a break from the Bush administration's approach to the war on terror, according to two officials close to the transition."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/12/obama.gitmo/index.html


Uh.

[Patriot]

I believe Keith attended the not really cornell, acceptance rate of 1 for every 1.01 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/06/keith-olbermann-ann-coult_n_172438.html)applicants.

LOL, you're killin' me. This thread has me cracking up. "nine inch nails", "rage against the machine" - and they're concerned because their music was used for alleged torture? If you were a serious musician, wouldn't that be insulting - kinda telling about your kind of "music" - that it could be used for torture? Yet they don't seem to grasp that. ROTFL.

[flareon]

LOL, you're killin' me. This thread has me cracking up. "nine inch nails", "rage against the machine" - and they're concerned because their music was used for alleged torture? If you were a serious musician, wouldn't that be insulting - kinda telling about your kind of "music" - that it could be used for torture? Yet they don't seem to grasp that. ROTFL.

I just thought it was funny that this seemed to be a group of well, has- beens. What next? Are they going to appear on DWTS? :biggrin:

It just goes to show that there is no story too silly for the left to trot out to attack the Bush administration.

[Patriot]

I just thought it was funny that this seemed to be a group of well, has- beens. What next? Are they going to appear on DWTS? :biggrin:

It just goes to show that there is no story too silly for the left to trot out to attack the Bush administration.

I suppose they are legends in their own minds, lol. That seems to be a problem with many on the left. :laugh:

[RockPause]

I suppose they are legends in their own minds, lol. That seems to be a problem with many on the left. :laugh::bored: So now, you assert all musicians are leftist. And, are we to intuit that you also think the retired generals who agree with the musicians in the OP are leftist, too? Or, just perhaps, do you think they have a common cause for closing GITMO based on American principles such as due process.

[flareon]

I suppose they are legends in their own minds, lol. That seems to be a problem with many on the left. :laugh:

That's the truth. It is just so funny how they search high and low to find anyone, no matter how inconsequential, to buttress their views. I guess Janeane Garofalo was too busy to make her opinions known. :biggrin:

[Patriot]

:bored: So now, you assert all musicians are leftist. And, are we to intuit that you also think the retired generals who agree with the musicians in the OP are leftist, too? Or, just perhaps, do you think they have a common cause for closing GITMO based on American principles such as due process.

Link to my alledged "assertion" that all musicians are leftist. Or are you intentionally being dishonest?

[ResJudicata]

LOL, you're killin' me. This thread has me cracking up. "nine inch nails", "rage against the machine" - and they're concerned because their music was used for alleged torture? If you were a serious musician, wouldn't that be insulting - kinda telling about your kind of "music" - that it could be used for torture? Yet they don't seem to grasp that. ROTFL.


I think that Trent Reznor very simply was opposed to torture in any form. This seems, for some...equally hard to grasp.



Nine Inch Nails' fifth studio album, Year Zero, was released only two years after With Teeth, a marked change in pace from the release of previous albums. With lyrics written from the perspective of multiple fictitious characters, Reznor described Year Zero as a concept album criticizing the United States government's current policies and how they will impact the world 15 years in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Inch_Nails

[RockPause]

Probably not - I'd agree with you that they're most likely Leftists or think they can get a post-retirement job in Chicago or something.

Kudos for the "intuit"!

:smile:If you think that, perhaps you should google them. Amazing thing about many generals, they have organizational skills that transcend most civilian jobs. So retiring to run a business, a school or the like is akin to vacation with pay, as the variables are not nearly as complex as their previous careers. It also allows them to focus on some of the issues that they could not correct while in uniform, like GITMO.

Glad you enjoyed intuit. Much neater, imo, than some misfire from Roget's such as perilous indecisiveness. :blink:

[ResJudicata]

Not to be disrespectful but are guys like that capable of understanding the word "torture" if you spotted them two t's, two r's and an e?

:confused::confused::confused:


My sense is no less capable than you.

[RockPause]

Not to be disrespectful but are guys like that capable of understanding the word "torture" if you spotted them two t's, two r's and an e?

:confused::confused::confused:Reznor? Sure he could. As songwriter he could spot you all the vowels, as many consonants as you choose and give you a music lesson, too. The term, iirc, is creative genius. The kind of mind that can excell in their chosen area and still have time to understand why torture is not only anti-American, but that it does not produce credible results.

[ResJudicata]

Reznor? Sure he could. As songwriter he could spot you all the vowels, as many consonants as you choose and give you a music lesson, too. The term, iirc, is creative genius. The kind of mind that can excell in their chosen area and still have time to understand why torture is not only anti-American, but that it does not produce credible results.

Exactly my sentiments. Trent Reznor is a true American.
:thumbsup:

[ResJudicata]

You're darn right!

My personal favorites are:

Washington

Lincoln

Jefferson

Reznor!!!

:laugh::laugh:


Well..what do ya know.. a redeeming quality after all.
:tonguewag:

[TBIBeg]

Not to be disrespectful but are guys like that capable of understanding the word "torture" if you spotted them two t's, two r's and an e?

:confused::confused:

ROFL :lol:

[juliekan]

article at www.chron.com today said "Barney" music may have been used.

:laugh: I should know, when my son had tonsillitis, we slept in the living room with a Barney tape on a loop, with his poor fevered body laying on mine, both of us a wad of sweat, and listened to

"if all the raindrops were lemondrops and gumdrops, oh what a day that would be...ah, ah ah ah, ah ah ah, ah ah ah....."

Yes, I still remember all the words, and DS is a grown up now!

[kennedy06]

Poor things now they now what us American parents went through before the invention of Ipods:rolleyes: