10/19 thru 10/22

[Justice4all]

TLC's showing old old Jon and Kate today....They are showing pre belly tuck and Kate told Jon she's a good plan maker and he's a good follower and he said yep i'm a sheep............Well that says it all. Poor guy. Thank God he's out of that abusive relationship. I hope he finds true love.

[Justice4all]

I think i just vomited my mouth......... barf


EXCLUSIVE VIDEO INTERVIEW: Octo-Mom’s Secret Crush: I Think Jon Gosselin Is Hot!

In an exclusive interview Nadya Suleman told RadarOnline.com that she thinks Jon Gosselin is quite the catch! “I kind of have a crush on Jon Gosselin,” Octo-Mom exclusively told RadarOnline.com. Going one step further, Nadya even said: “I think he’s hot!”


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-video-interview-octo-mom%E2%80%99s-secret-crush-i-think-jon-gosselin-hot

[ish]

Kate Gosselin: My Kids Are Struggling





http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20313706,00.html?xid=rss-yahooheadlines

I'm sure she will blame it on the fact that Jon canceled filming, instead of the fact that both their parents are acting like azzes.

[Justice4all]

I'm sure she will blame it on the fact that Jon canceled filming, instead of the fact that both their parents are acting like azzes.

well of course......moo

[Justice4all]

From the article:

"Last week on the Today show, Kate said, "Over the weekend I told [the kids] that we're not filming at this point. And actually, times eight, there was wailing and sobbing. They love our crew, they love the interaction, they love the events. There is nothing harmful about it. They are angry."

MO - if they are ANGRY, they are taking cues from their mother.

IMO everyone in this family need therapy.

[Justice4all]

lol - in other words - Kate's 15 minutes are almost up, huh?

I sure will be glad when both their 15 mins are up.

[StickyBeak]

The Seven Deadly Sins come to mind when I read about the Gosselins.
What fate will become these children. While the parents play act in public, these poor children will no doubt be up rooted to humbler abodes and have to change their names? Kate thinks they are acting out now, its a long wait before they receive any trust money.
I just can't imagine where they all will end up, but for certain J & K don't seem to have any real show business career appeal, guess back to per diem nursing and unemployment. Really Sad. JMO

[birdwatch]

Dr. Phil’s Advice to Jon and Kate: Stay Together To Make Money!



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/dr-phil%E2%80%99s-advice-jon-and-kate-stay-together-make-money


Seriously what was Dr Phil thinking? Oh come on! We don't believe a word out of Jon's mouth - unless he says something off-the-wall about Dr. Phil and then we jump right in a believe him? Why? What has Dr. Phil ever promoted against families. I don't believe it.
Im sure he did recomment staying together till they have done everything they can do. He says you have to "earn" your way out of a marriage - with work - untill its clear the marriage is broken. Then you have to work on the partnership for parenting children. Mayby he used that "earn" phrase and poor Jon thought he was atalking about money.
We never suggested he is smart.

That said - what on earth was Kate thinking - if that part is true? She wanted to go on the Dr. Phil show and play the martyr?

[angiemomof4]

Oh come on! We don't believe a word out of Jon's mouth - unless he says something off-the-wall about Dr. Phil and then we jump right in a believe him? Why? What has Dr. Phil ever promoted against families. I don't believe it.
Im sure he did recomment staying together till they have done everything they can do. He says you have to "earn" your way out of a marriage - with work - untill its clear the marriage is broken. Then you have to work on the partnership for parenting children. Mayby he used that "earn" phrase and poor Jon thought he was atalking about money.
We never suggested he is smart.

That said - what on earth was Kate thinking - if that part is true? She wanted to go on the Dr. Phil show and play the martyr?

I don't believe a word coming from that man. Kate either, but especially him. He has absolutely zero credibility.

[Justice4all]

Oh come on! We don't believe a word out of Jon's mouth - unless he says something off-the-wall about Dr. Phil and then we jump right in a believe him? Why? What has Dr. Phil ever promoted against families. I don't believe it.
Im sure he did recomment staying together till they have done everything they can do. He says you have to "earn" your way out of a marriage - with work - untill its clear the marriage is broken. Then you have to work on the partnership for parenting children. Mayby he used that "earn" phrase and poor Jon thought he was atalking about money.
We never suggested he is smart.

That said - what on earth was Kate thinking - if that part is true? She wanted to go on the Dr. Phil show and play the martyr?

well it didn't really say Jon said it ...it said a source said Jon said it...and i don't believe Jon or Kate....

[ish]

well it didn't really say Jon said it ...it said a source said Jon said it...and i don't believe Jon or Kate....

The Vanity Fair on line article does say that Kate confirmed meeting with Dr Phil, but Dr Phil had no comment. That he has no comment is strange.:laugh:

It also says she drives 90 miles each way to have her hair styled. Talk about self absorbed.

[ish]

From the article:

"Last week on the Today show, Kate said, "Over the weekend I told [the kids] that we're not filming at this point. And actually, times eight, there was wailing and sobbing. They love our crew, they love the interaction, they love the events. There is nothing harmful about it. They are angry."

MO - if they are ANGRY, they are taking cues from their mother.

I guess they are angry, the only fun they have is with the events the crew sets up. Otherwise, they aren't allowed to get dirty, messy or sticky.
Not much of a life for 5 year olds.

But seriously, at that age they shouldn't even be aware of the camera, let alone be around the crew so often that they think of them like family. Perhaps if they had an extended family, they wouldn't be so attached to the TLC crew.

[Justice4all]

Kate Gosselin To Take Viewer Questions On Next Show



Monday night you, the viewer, get the chance to ask Kate Gosselin whatever you want.

TLC will be airing a no holds barred one hour special with Kate talking about her life and answering questions about her family. They are also asking viewers to submit their favorite moments from the show


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/ask-kate-gosselin-whatever-you-want

[Justice4all]

VIDEO: Jon Gosselin Seeks Advice On Child Rearing At A Synagogue


Jon Gosselin got in touch with his spiritual side Sunday, stopping by Central Synagogue in New York City to catch an event called This World On The Values Network

Gosselin wasn't just there to soak up the ambiance, the dad of 8 asked a panel of spiritual advisors, including Noble prize winner Professor Elie Wiesel, Dr. Mehmet Oz, Mayor Cory Booker and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, "What two or three values can I use to raise good kids?"


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/video-jon-gosselin-seeks-advice-child-rearing-synagogue

[Marcia3]

Oh come on! We don't believe a word out of Jon's mouth - unless he says something off-the-wall about Dr. Phil and then we jump right in a believe him? Why? What has Dr. Phil ever promoted against families. I don't believe it.
Im sure he did recomment staying together till they have done everything they can do. He says you have to "earn" your way out of a marriage - with work - untill its clear the marriage is broken. Then you have to work on the partnership for parenting children. Mayby he used that "earn" phrase and poor Jon thought he was atalking about money.
We never suggested he is smart.

That said - what on earth was Kate thinking - if that part is true? She wanted to go on the Dr. Phil show and play the martyr?

IMO, Jon probably asked Dr Phil how they could keep their marriage intact to save the brand!

I doubt that Jon has ever put his wife and children in front of what he wants, sorry if that sounds harsh, but he doesn't strike me as the self-sacrificing type.

:laugh:

All JMO of course.

[Justice4all]

IMO, Jon probably asked Dr Phil how they could keep their marriage intact to save the brand!

I doubt that Jon has ever put his wife and children in front of what he wants, sorry if that sounds harsh, but he doesn't strike me as the self-sacrificing type.

:laugh:

All JMO of course.
Have you ever watched the show?
If you have then you would know Jon wasn't this way a few years ago.
Jon was a stay home father and took care of his children, while Kate when and did book tours and all that.

[Lavinya]

OMG, I was just reading the Vanity Fair article and this just tickled my funny bone something fierce.

"“Oh, he’s headed for Buttafuocco territory,” says Harvey Levin of Jon Gosselin.

:laugh::laugh: Is there ANY worse territory than Buttafuocco territory? :lol:

[Justice4all]

OMG, I was just reading the Vanity Fair article and this just tickled my funny bone something fierce.

"“Oh, he’s headed for Buttafuocco territory,” says Harvey Levin of Jon Gosselin.

:laugh::laugh: Is there ANY worse territory than Buttafuocco territory? :lol:

Yeah this article really rips Jon and Kate.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2009/10/jon-and-kate-gosselin-200910

[Casecase]

Have you ever watched the show?
If you have then you would know Jon wasn't this way a few years ago.
Jon was a stay home father and took care of his children, while Kate when and did book tours and all that.

And before that, Kate was a stay-at-home mom and took care of the children while Jon went to work.


IMO

[Casecase]

snipped

Is there ANY worse territory than Buttafuocco territory? :lol:


I haven't read the article yet but yikes. That would be scary territory! :ohmy:


IMO

[Marcia3]

Have you ever watched the show?
If you have then you would know Jon wasn't this way a few years ago.
Jon was a stay home father and took care of his children, while Kate when and did book tours and all that.

Yes, I watched the first two seasons and then stopped because it seemed like an invasion of the privacy of the children...we were watching things, IMO, that were not for public consumption.

And what Jon may have appeared to be on camera is not necessarily reality, even if he was on a "reality" show. From what I understand, he's been trying to parlay his multiple-births family into a TV show since before the tups were even born!

I have the right to an opinion about Jon and his apparent self-absorption. And I think the facts back up my opinion, but it is JMO.

[clara2]

"Last week on the Today show, Kate said, "Over the weekend I told [the kids] that we're not filming at this point. And actually, times eight, there was wailing and sobbing. They love our crew, they love the interaction, they love the events. There is nothing harmful about it. They are angry."

"MO - if they are ANGRY, they are taking cues from their mother"

of course they are..if she just said we going to stop filming the show and are going to focus on being a family..most kids would just go along with that fine.But if she tells them OMG,Lordy Lordy...the show is ending!and all the fun stuff we got is over and all the trips are cancelled!! you betcha they are bawling thier head off!.They take ther cues from her..A mother has to set an example to her children.Now she's upsetting them on purpose so she can blab to the tabloids.."oh my, the children are so upset over this..they really do want to be followed around by the camera guys and get free trips...big bad daddy is taking it all away from us".She just wants to be viewed as the injured party and the best parent..NOT.
and Big daddy John is a headcase too...poor kids ,what a wacky life!

[Lavinya]

I haven't read the article yet but yikes. That would be scary territory! :ohmy:


IMO

Definitely need a box of antibiotics in that land. :scared::laugh:

[Debb]

Yes, I watched the first two seasons and then stopped because it seemed like an invasion of the privacy of the children...we were watching things, IMO, that were not for public consumption.

And what Jon may have appeared to be on camera is not necessarily reality, even if he was on a "reality" show. From what I understand, he's been trying to parlay his multiple-births family into a TV show since before the tups were even born!

I have the right to an opinion about Jon and his apparent self-absorption. And I think the facts back up my opinion, but it is JMO.


I think you may have Jon and Kate confused with each other. I think it's the other way around. (Not defending all the crazy stuff Jon has done lately, but don't put the early Kate stuff on him too.)

[ish]

Kate Gosselin To Take Viewer Questions On Next Show






http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/ask-kate-gosselin-whatever-you-want

I truly doubt she'll answer any tough questions, she'll just get all teary and try to make us feel sorry for her. I guess the Judge's comments didn't sink in to her thick head yet.

[Mnchkin426]

And before that, Kate was a stay-at-home mom and took care of the children while Jon went to work.


IMO

And she worked a ten hour shift as a nurse on Saturdays. JMO

[Mnchkin426]

I truly doubt she'll answer any tough questions, she'll just get all teary and try to make us feel sorry for her. I guess the Judge's comments didn't sink in to her thick head yet.

This show was probably taped well before the Judge made his comments. JMO

[Mnchkin426]

I think you may have Jon and Kate confused with each other. I think it's the other way around. (Not defending all the crazy stuff Jon has done lately, but don't put the early Kate stuff on him too.)

As I remember, Jon was seen online (I think by his boss at the time) looking for opportunities to capitalize on the sextuplets....prior to their birth. JMO

[Marcia3]

I think you may have Jon and Kate confused with each other. I think it's the other way around. (Not defending all the crazy stuff Jon has done lately, but don't put the early Kate stuff on him too.)

No, I don't think I am. Jon reportedly told his co-workers that once the tups were born, they would be on easy street. I'm going to add IMO and JMO because I don't feel like looking up the links. I just remember reading about how Jon wanted to use the multiples to get free stuff and how he supposedly said he and Kate wouldn't "have to work" after they were born.

[daniel green]

VIDEO: Jon Gosselin Seeks Advice On Child Rearing At A Synagogue





http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/video-jon-gosselin-seeks-advice-child-rearing-synagogue

That link is broken, but to put Jon's name is same sentence as Eli Wiezel's is absolutely sickening.

[daniel green]

IMO, Jon probably asked Dr Phil how they could keep their marriage intact to save the brand!

I doubt that Jon has ever put his wife and children in front of what he wants, sorry if that sounds harsh, but he doesn't strike me as the self-sacrificing type.

:laugh:

All JMO of course.

You are absolutely right.

[daniel green]

OMG, I was just reading the Vanity Fair article and this just tickled my funny bone something fierce.

"“Oh, he’s headed for Buttafuocco territory,” says Harvey Levin of Jon Gosselin.

:laugh::laugh: Is there ANY worse territory than Buttafuocco territory? :lol:

Tha's funny.

Lohan's dad is close.

[daniel green]

And before that, Kate was a stay-at-home mom and took care of the children while Jon went to work.


IMO

AND cooked, and cleaned, and took care of everthing.

Really, did nobody here watch the show? :confused:

All of this Jonwasstayathomedad was just over a short period of time. And Jon had the help of nannies and household help.

Oh, and Kate wrote the books, as well.

BTW, I just read a post on this thread accurately describing JON being the one to be actively trying to cash in on the tups before their birth. Has anyone seen the video interviews of him after the babies were born and in the NICU?

[Lavinya]

What was Jon smoking? Six babies and 2 - 4 year olds and won't "have to work" after they were born. Certainly, he hoped they would be on easy street but there was no quarantee. No one could predict the success or lack thereof the show. Now, of course, those dopes may or may not be without a show. I am glad to see folks with all these kids get free stuff. Why not? The kids are adorable and I don't want to see them go without. All the best to the kids which included the parents. What is that old saying? We can pick our nose, pick our friends but we can't pick our family.

BBM. I always heard the saying as, "you can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's nose." :ohmy:

It has been my understanding that Jon was on the gravy train from the beginning, too. IIRC one of the jobs he was fired from was for spending too much time shilling for $$$.

[Justice4all]

Yes, I watched the first two seasons and then stopped because it seemed like an invasion of the privacy of the children...we were watching things, IMO, that were not for public consumption.

And what Jon may have appeared to be on camera is not necessarily reality, even if he was on a "reality" show. From what I understand, he's been trying to parlay his multiple-births family into a TV show since before the tups were even born!

I have the right to an opinion about Jon and his apparent self-absorption. And I think the facts back up my opinion, but it is JMO.

So i guess you feel like Kates a liar right? Because she said Jon used to not be this way. She said she wishes the old Jon would come back. :confused:

[daniel green]

snipped
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2009/10/jon-and-kate-gosselin-200910

Great article. Thx!

The comment from Jon about his fame and Sean Combs????:blushing:

[daniel green]

snipped
It has been my understanding that Jon was on the gravy train from the beginning, too. IIRC one of the jobs he was fired from was for spending too much time shilling for $$$.

And then just up and quit his IT job with PA last year.

[Justice4all]

Poor guy my left foot. :angry: Can we say, passive-aggressive, with over the top aggression to the fore now that he's jumped off the lunatic fringe into the black abyss with both feet?

He's his own worst enemy, NOT Kate. No one really knows how the dynamics worked in that family, but I can't tell you how often I felt he needed to just grow a pair and how he probably deserved the Kate-slapping. :punch: What a wuss.

Now that he's running away from his family, he's still every bit as easily lead as he ever was only this time it's his g/f & his other new Jewish friends who are leading him by the nose hairs. :rolleyes:

Still, I think everyone should proceed cautiously with little Jonny these days. His sheepie days appear to be over and now he's about as trustworthy as a pit viper.


Are you ok when women get slapped around?

[Lavinya]

Poor guy my left foot. :angry: Can we say, passive-aggressive, with over the top aggression to the fore now that he's jumped off the lunatic fringe into the black abyss with both feet?

He's his own worst enemy, NOT Kate. No one really knows how the dynamics worked in that family, but I can't tell you how often I felt he needed to just grow a pair and how he probably deserved the Kate-slapping. <STOLE YOUR PUNCH THOUGH I HATED TO< LOL> What a wuss.

Now that he's running away from his family, he's still every bit as easily lead as he ever was only this time it's his g/f & his other new Jewish friends who are leading him by the nose hairs. :rolleyes:

Still, I think everyone should proceed cautiously with little Jonny these days. His sheepie days appear to be over and now he's about as trustworthy as a pit viper.

Sing it Spyder! :thumbsup: (I always feel like I must give a caveat, that I don't like Kate either or people think you love Kate just because you are calling BS on Jon.) That said, I could never be a friend with someone like Kate, too cold and anal for me, but at least she doesn't unload the passive-aggressive warfare at you. Personally, I would rather handle a wolf than a wolf in sheep's clothing which is what I think Jon is.

I don't think Jon's sheepie days will ever be over though. He will always be stringing along with that which makes him feel good, IMO. I don't ever see Jon as a "leader". Even when he does his talk show circuit and proclaims, "I'm their father and this isn't good for them (the show)." I can see him regurgitating what he's read online somewhere. He's not Mr. Brainiac, that's certain.

[Lavinya]

Are you ok when women get slapped around?

I see this discussed so often and I just don't see it as her whaling on him like so many seem to. I have never hit my husband like that because that's not the way we "play", lol, but I'm 51 and my remaining brother and I cuff each other (getting rarer since bones break easier, lol) when we're teasing each other. I guess we play too rough but no one has ever gotten their feelings hurt and *certainly* never caused physical pain. Seems kind of full of hyperbole, IMO.

[Lavinya]

And then just up and quit his IT job with PA last year.

Buttafuocco. :wink:

[daniel green]

snipped Seems kind of full of hyperbole, IMO.

Indeed. And really disingenous.

[Justice4all]

And then just up and quit his IT job with PA last year.

It was when the first book came out. and i thought you said he was fired? :rolleyes:

[Justice4all]

I see this discussed so often and I just don't see it as her whaling on him like so many seem to. I have never hit my husband like that because that's not the way we "play", lol, but I'm 51 and my remaining brother and I cuff each other (getting rarer since bones break easier, lol) when we're teasing each other. I guess we play too rough but no one has ever gotten their feelings hurt and *certainly* never caused physical pain. Seems kind of full of hyperbole, IMO.

I think it speaks volumes kate keeps saying she regrets how she used to treat Jon. IMO in the near future the children will write a book like Christina Crawford did about her mother.


moo

[Lavinya]

I think it speaks volumes kate keeps saying she regrets how she used to treat Jon. IMO in the near future the children will write a book like Christina Crawford did about her mother.


moo

Oh I don't think much of old Katie girls personality myself, (and I would wager that probably, oh 99% of us here would say we would treat people better when we are confronted with divorce or someone's death) but I just can not agree with the folks who say she physically abused him. She was a garden variety biotch, maybe deserved, but the way I see people put it out there, it sounds like she's busting his lip or at the *very* least, leaving a red hand mark. I just don't see it.

[Mnchkin426]

I think it speaks volumes kate keeps saying she regrets how she used to treat Jon. IMO in the near future the children will write a book like Christina Crawford did about her mother.


moo

My guess is that any book might be more about their father's antics. JMO

[Casecase]

Oh I don't think much of old Katie girls personality myself, (and I would wager that probably, oh 99% of us here would say we would treat people better when we are confronted with divorce or someone's death) but I just can not agree with the folks who say she physically abused him. She was a garden variety biotch, maybe deserved, but the way I see people put it out there, it sounds like she's busting his lip or at the *very* least, leaving a red hand mark. I just don't see it.

I'm with you. I never saw where she was whaling on him or beating him or physically abusing him.

IMO

[Justice4all]

I'm with you. I never saw where she was whaling on him or beating him or physically abusing him.

IMO

abuse is not just physical it's mental and she mentally abused Jon for years.

MOO

[Mnchkin426]

Oh I don't think much of old Katie girls personality myself, (and I would wager that probably, oh 99% of us here would say we would treat people better when we are confronted with divorce or someone's death) but I just can not agree with the folks who say she physically abused him. She was a garden variety biotch, maybe deserved, but the way I see people put it out there, it sounds like she's busting his lip or at the *very* least, leaving a red hand mark. I just don't see it.

BOTH of them could be very snarky. Jon gave back plenty. Remember Aunt Jodi's comment about how they spoke sharply to each other but didn't actually mean anything by it? I've seen many couples interact that way.

[Lavinya]

abuse is not just physical it's mental and she mentally abused Jon for years.

MOO

Well I'll give him this much; Dude knows how to break out of a hostage situation with a certain flair. :laugh:

[Casecase]

It was when the first book came out. and i thought you said he was fired? :rolleyes:

Didn't he get fired from one job and quit this last one?

The Vanity Fair article said that he was "laid off" at the time TLC met up with them. I guess I never realized that. Laid off, fired, whatever - no wonder they did the reality show. Imagine having 8 kids under the age of 4, with only 1 income, and being presented with an opportunity to make a year's salary in only 2 or 3 episodes. My pen would have been signing that contract so fast the paper would have burned up!


IMO

[Mnchkin426]

abuse is not just physical it's mental and she mentally abused Jon for years.

MOO

If you're referring to Kate correcting Jon's grammer and the like, he did the same to her on numerous occasions. He also made what could be viewed as very unkind statements about her figure post tups and her fashion sense. So, if you consider that mental abuse (and I don't), it seems to me that they would both be guilty. JMO

[Casecase]

Just thinking about this whole situation . . . marriage is work. When you have the everyday stresses of life - kids, work, etc. - it's so easy to lose sight of what brought you and your spouse together in the first place. Our family lives a crazy, busy life. At times, we find ourselves with a lot less kindess, affection, humor, etc. towards each other. We start fussing about who didn't do what, and who is wronging the other more. Minor things become major explosions. But then we make a concerted effort to remember why we got together in the first place and to treat each other better. It can be work to get out of that tough place and into the happy place.

Point being - these two are no different. 8 kids, 2 different career directions, a busy life - if one or both of them didn't want to make it work, it wouldn't. Had they never had a TV show, there's no guarantee they still wouldn't have divorced. They both are who they are, and it would have just been a different set of problems tearing them apart - and if one or both of them didn't want to make it work, it wouldn't. It would have probably still been a messy divorce, just with less money and public exposure.

There's my philosophical ramblings for the day! :biggrin:

IMO

[Justice4all]

AND cooked, and cleaned, and took care of everthing.

Really, did nobody here watch the show? :confused:

All of this Jonwasstayathomedad was just over a short period of time. And Jon had the help of nannies and household help.

Oh, and Kate wrote the books, as well.

BTW, I just read a post on this thread accurately describing JON being the one to be actively trying to cash in on the tups before their birth. Has anyone seen the video interviews of him after the babies were born and in the NICU?

she had a maid ....remember she fired a few of them.
and she had friends come fold her laundry.
and i saw Jon cooking a lot.
But i do remember the time Kate tried to cook ( actually i think she was boiling water )and she broke the glass top stove LOL

[Mnchkin426]

Just thinking about this whole situation . . . marriage is work. When you have the everyday stresses of life - kids, work, etc. - it's so easy to lose sight of what brought you and your spouse together in the first place. Our family lives a crazy, busy life. At times, we find ourselves with a lot less kindess, affection, humor, etc. towards each other. We start fussing about who didn't do what, and who is wronging the other more. Minor things become major explosions. But then we make a concerted effort to remember why we got together in the first place and to treat each other better. It can be work to get out of that tough place and into the happy place.

Point being - these two are no different. 8 kids, 2 different career directions, a busy life - if one or both of them didn't want to make it work, it wouldn't. Had they never had a TV show, there's no guarantee they still wouldn't have divorced. They both are who they are, and it would have just been a different set of problems tearing them apart - and if one or both of them didn't want to make it work, it wouldn't. It would have probably still been a messy divorce, just with less money and public exposure.

There's my philosophical ramblings for the day! :biggrin:

IMO

Great post! I like your philosophical ramblings.

[Justice4all]

OMG the woman can't even boil water LMBO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABT_7yYd44

[Lavinya]

she had a maid ....remember she fired a few of them.
and she had friends come fold her laundry.
and i saw Jon cooking a lot.
But i do remember the time Kate tried to cook ( actually i think she was boiling water )and she broke the glass top stove LOL

There was a neighbor lady that came by, I believe, every Thursday and folded clothes. I remember Jon cooking something with green onions because he got all freaky when Kate got the white part and the green part mixed together.

I must say, I believe Jon had the house until 8-9 am. Man, when I had little ones, the crack of dawn wasn't early enough.

[birdwatch]

I see this discussed so often and I just don't see it as her whaling on him like so many seem to. I have never hit my husband like that because that's not the way we "play", lol, but I'm 51 and my remaining brother and I cuff each other (getting rarer since bones break easier, lol) when we're teasing each other. I guess we play too rough but no one has ever gotten their feelings hurt and *certainly* never caused physical pain. Seems kind of full of hyperbole, IMO. They weren't teasing each other..... its no fun when only one person is playing the slapping "game" - even after the spouse has publicly asked her to quit. I found it quite shocking.
No way would a man have have gotten off with that kind of behaviour. THe hitting or the mental abuse. I always wondered; did she never watch the show? If I saw myself behaving like that I would hope once would be enough to make me stop.
Of course I was irritated that he wouldn't put his foot down and say enough! Jump up off that couch and say "I'm not putting up with this anymore". That would have been good film and he would have had a whole country full of support, imo. He did get pretty mad at her once that I saw - when she was ordering him about - but then he just kind of whined about it; there was no authority in his voice. Now its just too little, too late.

[Justice4all]

"all mine, all mine as far as i can see"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkkdfPGE068



Of course kate it's all YOURS....everythings always about YOU kate. :sneaky:

[Mnchkin426]

she had a maid ....remember she fired a few of them.
and she had friends come fold her laundry.
and i saw Jon cooking a lot.
But i do remember the time Kate tried to cook ( actually i think she was boiling water )and she broke the glass top stove LOL

What's wrong with having someone come in to clean or have help in folding laundry for a family of 10 people? That would have benefited both Jon and Kate. I believe Jon cooked once (on the show).....a Korean meal. Could you provide a link to other episodes where he cooked, please? TIA He did rewarm some premade meals but I don't think he actually cooked anything. I believe Kate was making soup when the stove top cracked....I think she accidently set a hot pot top on it.

JMO

[Justice4all]

I love how Kate tells the children there are strict rules they could NEVER come in mommy and daddy's bedroom .........:cursing:

never open the door and come in..........Something is seriously wrong with this woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlCuTu_bicE

[Justice4all]

What's wrong with having someone come in to clean or have help in folding laundry for a family of 10 people? That would have benefited both Jon and Kate. I believe Jon cooked once (on the show).....a Korean meal. Could you provide a link to other episodes where he cooked, please? TIA He did rewarm some premade meals but I don't think he actually cooked anything. I believe Kate was making soup when the stove top cracked....I think she accidently set a hot pot top on it.

JMO

BBM
yep exactly what happen. Kate not able to follow the rules yet again....LOL

[Mnchkin426]

BBM
yep exactly what happen. Kate not able to follow the rules yet again....LOL

What rules? She made a mistake. Big deal! Haven't you ever set a pot lid on top of the stove? I have...a glass top one, too.....and nothing happened. Have never seen a "rule" stating that you shouldn't do that either. JMO

[Justice4all]

What rules? She made a mistake. Big deal! Haven't you ever set a pot lid on top of the stove? I have...a glass top one, too.....and nothing happened. Have never seen a "rule" stating that you shouldn't do that either. JMO

she even said she read the instructions not to put the lid there....she messed up. nothing new for Kate. She wants to do things her way LOL

and NO i've never set a pot lid on a glass top stove. I'm not that stupid :thumbsup:

[birdwatch]

BBM
yep exactly what happen. Kate not able to follow the rules yet again....LOL I have to give her a break on that one. I bought one of those glass top stoves - read the material that came with it and nothing said you couldn't put the top of the pot down on the stove while you are cooking; and the guys who delivered the new one for her said they had never seen anything like that happen.
I didn't break mine - I just hated it. Thought it was great for keepiing clean, but lousy for cooking. Sold it and went back to a good old gas stove just like my mama had.

[Lavinya]

OMG the woman can't even boil water LMBO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABT_7yYd44

Now that is reaching J4A. Is there some kind of tit-for-tat rule here where when one parent is criticized, someone needs to trot out something, however benign, and "prove" how it's *really* all the other spouses's fault? I would swear some here people have a dog in this race.

[Justice4all]

Now that is reaching J4A. Is there some kind of tit-for-tat rule here where when one parent is criticized, someone needs to trot out something, however benign, and "prove" how it's *really* all the other spouses's fault? I would swear some here people have a dog in this race.

tit for tat? I don't like either parent. Go back and read some of my post about Jon i think he's lost his mind. but i really really can't stand Kate anymore. She's become to high and mighty. MOO

[Mnchkin426]

she even said she read the instructions not to put the lid there....she messed up. nothing new for Kate. She wants to do things her way LOL

and NO i've never set a pot lid on a glass top stove. I'm not that stupid :thumbsup:

Guess you think I'm stupid then since I do it all the time. The instructions for my stove don't say not to either. Also, Kate said she learned later than she shouldn't do that, not that she saw it in the instructions. JMO

[Mnchkin426]

I love how Kate tells the children there are strict rules they could NEVER come in mommy and daddy's bedroom .........:cursing:

never open the door and come in..........Something is seriously wrong with this woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlCuTu_bicE

Both parents cited that rule and the reasons for it....not just Kate.

[Casecase]

she even said she read the instructions not to put the lid there....she messed up. nothing new for Kate. She wants to do things her way LOL

and NO i've never set a pot lid on a glass top stove. I'm not that stupid :thumbsup:


I've broken hot glass casserole dishes by running cold water over them.

I've turned my laundry pink by having the audacity to put a red shirt in with white clothing.

I've had pasta stick to the bottom of the pot because I ignored instructions to stir constantly.

I've run out of gas because keeping the tank full doesn't apply to me.

I've sparked metal in my microwave because I didn't take a small piece off and if I wanted to leave that metal on there, I should be able to, by gum!

I've ripped tags off of mattress and pillows - warnings be darned!

I had no idea that I'm such a rebel, wanting to do things my way! :thumbsup:


IMO

[Mnchkin426]

I've broken hot glass casserole dishes by running cold water over them.

I've turned my laundry pink by having the audacity to put a red shirt in with white clothing.

I've had pasta stick to the bottom of the pot because I ignored instructions to stir constantly.

I've run out of gas because keeping the tank full doesn't apply to me.

I've sparked metal in my microwave because I didn't take a small piece off and if I wanted to leave that metal on there, I should be able to, by gum!

I've ripped tags off of mattress and pillows - warnings be darned!

I had no idea that I'm such a rebel, wanting to do things my way! :thumbsup:


IMO

And I bet everyone of us has commited at least one of these "rebellious" acts. Great comments!

[Justice4all]

I've broken hot glass casserole dishes by running cold water over them.

I've turned my laundry pink by having the audacity to put a red shirt in with white clothing.

I've had pasta stick to the bottom of the pot because I ignored instructions to stir constantly.

I've run out of gas because keeping the tank full doesn't apply to me.

I've sparked metal in my microwave because I didn't take a small piece off and if I wanted to leave that metal on there, I should be able to, by gum!

I've ripped tags off of mattress and pillows - warnings be darned!

I had no idea that I'm such a rebel, wanting to do things my way! :thumbsup:


IMO

Ok you win LOL...i've done all that except run out of gas.

Honestly i only i can't stand kate but i only rag her so much because I think Jon's getting a bad rap. Now don't get me wrong i think he's lost his mind and done some things he should be ashamed of but i think he's having some kind of midlife crisis due to the abuse he took from Kate for so many years.

[Justice4all]

Both parents cited that rule and the reasons for it....not just Kate.

well of course "sheepish" Jon said it after kate told him to. :sneaky:
Did you see the episode when he forgot to use the coupons?

Do you think Kate will ever marry again?

[Justice4all]

LOL!!!
Yesterday I jumped into the bath and began to wash my hair........I forgot it was in curlers. Oh well I guess I am in good company!!

Just keep those glass top stoves away from me.

I can top the curls LOL


One time when my twins were 4 months old i turned the shower on and went and got my clothes. Laid then on the counter and then got in the shower.................and then..........realized i had forgot to take my pj's off :wink:

[Lavinya]

I can top the curls LOL


One time when my twins were 4 months old i turned the shower on and went and got my clothes. Laid then on the counter and then got in the shower.................and then..........realized i had forgot to take my pj's off :wink:

:laugh::laugh: (Might have been the most efficient way at the time, bless your heart.)

[openminded]

Yes, Jon did most if not all the work related to the kids and house for a time. My memory of Kate is pretty much complaining about being exhausted, sitting in the plastic chair, giving orders to Jon and demeaning him at every opportunity. How she has come out like a flower in this event is a mystery to me. They are both dopes but Jon did himself in with running around smoking, drinking and fooling around with young woman.

I totally agree with you.

I think how she has come out this looking so much better is that she has TLC's PR machine behind her and she's far more careful with what she says and does than Jon is.

[Mnchkin426]

well of course "sheepish" Jon said it after kate told him to. :sneaky:
Did you see the episode when he forgot to use the coupons?

Do you think Kate will ever marry again?

I just don't understand excusing everything Jon does as being Kate's fault. Seems like a total cop out to me. Why can't he be expected to act like an adult and be responsiblefor himself?


Have no idea whether Kate will remarry. She may feel so completely betrayed at this point that it will be a long time before she trusts again. She's already said that she can't even think about dating.

JMO

[Lavinya]

tit for tat? I don't like either parent. Go back and read some of my post about Jon i think he's lost his mind. but i really really can't stand Kate anymore. She's become to high and mighty. MOO

I didn't mean to single you out J4F. I think we all have our favorite despised, lol. What's so crazy about this to me, is I couldn't stand Kate before and parent about 180 from the way she does. I don't like her any better now but Jon has taken some of her heat for me lately. I didn't think that would have been likely about a year ago. He took a PR goldmine, of her being the villain, and shat on it.

I don't, however, think of him as "abused" or anything quite that dastardly. I think he was in a crummy marriage with stress that we will never know and when he finally had enough, as people do by the droves every day, he, er, um, "overcorrected", lol.

[Justice4all]

I didn't mean to single you out J4F. I think we all have our favorite despised, lol. What's so crazy about this to me, is I couldn't stand Kate before and parent about 180 from the way she does. I don't like her any better now but Jon has taken some of her heat for me lately. I didn't think that would have been likely about a year ago. He took a PR goldmine, of her being the villain, and shat on it.

I don't, however, think of him as "abused" or anything quite that dastardly. I think he was in a crummy marriage with stress that we will never know and when he finally had enough, as people do by the droves every day, he, er, um, "overcorrected", lol.

I used to love watching Kate. She very organized and i love how she used to cook all organic. Then in season three she started treating Jon like he was a dog ( that's just my opinion ) but no matter what Kate said or did Jon has NO right to act the way he does now. MOO

[Lavinya]

Over-corrected is right.......
IIRC.....I am not sure what show it was on, but I do know it came out of Jon`s mouth........he was saying that there is an drinking problem that runs on his side of the family and he had to be careful. Maybe that is what we are seeing.

Just a thought.......

I wondered about that, too, TT. IIRC he said his father and his g-father were alcoholics. (BTW, long time, no see, TT. Haven't seen you on the Caylee board in a while (I haven't been myself in a week or so...) Hope to see you again there soon and I HOPE it's because we get a trial soon!)

[angiemomof4]

Hey there......
That is the way I remember it also, his dad and grandfather. I just wonder if he is really throwing down the drinks behind closed doors. He just keeps getting deeper and deeper. I have known people w/ drinking problems and that is the way it usually goes.........they have to drink more to deal w/ the bad choices they are making because of the drinking.

Yesterday was my 1st day here in awhile. I got really burnt-out on the Haleigh case. Now there is another little girl missing in Fl........sure is spooky. I just read that 10 dys ago in that area a kidnapping was attempted........her name is Caylee. Thank God she got away......but this new girl was not so lucky.

Those cases are just hearbreaking. We've had numerous attempted abductions in my area, in the suburb town next to me. Two of the incidents happened at the mall (less than a mile from my house) and the perp was bold enough to try and grab these kids while they were walking through the mall holding a parent's hand. SCARY. And my kids just can't understand why mom is so paranoid about them being outside.

Anyway, I think y'all are on to something about Jon drinking. I've suspected that for awhile now. He just seems to be in a huge downward spiral. How sad for the kids. :sad:

[MsBondJamesBond]

So i guess you feel like Kates a liar right? Because she said Jon used to not be this way. She said she wishes the old Jon would come back. :confused:Maybe Kate was referring to the bad habits Jon has picked up of late. Cigarette smoking, dating young bimbos, clubbing, palling with Michael Lohan, jet setting, running through the money, telling the press he "despises" Kate, etc., etc.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Oh I don't think much of old Katie girls personality myself, (and I would wager that probably, oh 99% of us here would say we would treat people better when we are confronted with divorce or someone's death) but I just can not agree with the folks who say she physically abused him. She was a garden variety biotch, maybe deserved, but the way I see people put it out there, it sounds like she's busting his lip or at the *very* least, leaving a red hand mark. I just don't see it.

I so agree with you. The, poor Jon, the abused husband, sentiment that runs through here is so disingenuous it kind of makes me sick. I've said it before here and I'll say it again. Saying that Jon is an abused husband is an insult to real victims of domestic abuse.

[Justice4all]

Maybe Kate was referring to the bad habits Jon has picked up of late. Cigarette smoking, dating young bimbos, clubbing, palling with Michael Lohan, jet setting, running through the money, telling the press he "despises" Kate, etc., etc.

She also said he's a great father.............

[Justice4all]

I so agree with you. The, poor Jon, the abused husband, sentiment that runs through here is so disingenuous it kind of makes me sick. I've said it before here and I'll say it again. Saying that Jon is an abused husband is an insult to real victims of domestic abuse.

I disagree. She slapped him so much they made a special show about it. and Jon said it was embarrassing. That's mental abuse. PERIOD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og2hu1erMfc

[MsBondJamesBond]

Now that is reaching J4A. Is there some kind of tit-for-tat rule here where when one parent is criticized, someone needs to trot out something, however benign, and "prove" how it's *really* all the other spouses's fault? I would swear some here people have a dog in this race.
The pettiest of things are pointed out and linked here re: Kate. She's despised, don't you know. I just saw, for the umpteenth time, a link to Kate telling the kids that the master bedroom in the new house is off limits. Big deal. Who cares? I just wish I could keep my kids, now teens & young adults, out of my room.

I'm finding it ridiculous that people are on her case about a glass stove top breaking. Since when can't you put a hot lid or pot on a glass stove top? I do that every time I cook. Good grief, if it can withstand the heat of having a burner under it then why not a hot pot? When I bought mine I was told a bowling ball could be dropped from 10 feet or some such height and it would not break.

[MsBondJamesBond]

She also said he's a great father.............Was that on LKL? If so, I do remember that she gulped that comment down.

[daniel green]

Didn't he get fired from one job and quit this last one?

The Vanity Fair article said that he was "laid off" at the time TLC met up with them. I guess I never realized that. Laid off, fired, whatever - no wonder they did the reality show.

IMO

Yes. He was fired from one and quit that last one for the state.

And the reason for why they signed on for the show has been very obvious. They needed the money.

[MsBondJamesBond]

I disagree. She slapped him so much they made a special show about it. and Jon said it was embarrassing. That's mental abuse. PERIOD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og2hu1erMfcI saw the episode.

[Justice4all]

The pettiest of things are pointed out and linked here re: Kate. She's despised, don't you know. I just saw, for the umpteenth time, a link to Kate telling the kids that the master bedroom in the new house is off limits. Big deal. Who cares? I just wish I could keep my kids, now teens & young adults, out of my room.

I'm finding it ridiculous that people are on her case about a glass stove top breaking. Since when can't you put a hot lid or pot on a glass stove top? I do that every time I cook. Good grief, if it can withstand the heat of having a burner under it then why not a hot pot? When I bought mine I was told a bowling ball could be dropped from 10 feet or some such height and it would not break.

Just so you know when you put the pot lid on the glass top the the glass cracks from the steam.

[Justice4all]

Was that on LKL? If so, I do remember that she gulped that comment down.

yes she paused and then she said deep down she knows he's a good father. Do you feel like she's lying?

[Justice4all]

Yes. He was fired from one and quit that last one for the state.

And the reason for why they signed on for the show has been very obvious. They needed the money.

of course they did....I think they still do because they've been spending their money faster then they were getting it. I think the new house was a HUGE mistake.


MOO

[daniel green]

Over-corrected is right.......
IIRC.....I am not sure what show it was on, but I do know it came out of Jon`s mouth........he was saying that there is an drinking problem that runs on his side of the family and he had to be careful. Maybe that is what we are seeing.

Just a thought.......

Quite the over-correction. Thankfully he's not been at the wheel of a car or boat. :scared:

Jon has mentioned the g-father and father's problems and how he wants to break the cycle, allegedly.

Then, ya know, he takes Hailey out to an expensive wine store the very following evening. :blushing:

The smoking thing is truly ridiculous. Kate nailed it on how Jon listens to the person next to him...And obviously he had to start smoking and drinking when he went to the college campus bar/parties (way before the split) and staying all hours at bars, driving home drunk (as per his own words) and/or allowing young women to driven him home to his house (where his kids and wife were) or to her house. Smoking and drinking champagne with Hailey in Cannes. It's just so very pre-teen like in all it's glory. :blushing:

[daniel green]

The pettiest of things are pointed out and linked here re: Kate. She's despised, don't you know. I just saw, for the umpteenth time, a link to Kate telling the kids that the master bedroom in the new house is off limits. Big deal. Who cares? I just wish I could keep my kids, now teens & young adults, out of my room.

I'm finding it ridiculous that people are on her case about a glass stove top breaking. Since when can't you put a hot lid or pot on a glass stove top? I do that every time I cook. Good grief, if it can withstand the heat of having a burner under it then why not a hot pot? When I bought mine I was told a bowling ball could be dropped from 10 feet or some such height and it would not break.

I DO keep my kids (both the teens and adults) out of my room and always have. Oh, and for the record, unless they we are entertaining, we don't let them in the living room, either.

And, for real, big freaking deal, who cares? :confused:

Wait, are you serious? Ppl are making a big deal out glass breaking?????????:scared:

I do that with mine, as well, every day.

But, yeah, how silly, disingenious and very, very, very petty (bitter, party of one, bitter, party of one) the stuff that is used to try to bash Kate.

[Justice4all]

I saw the episode.

That's mental abuse. PERIOD. You might want to go look up the classic signs. Jon was very embarrassed how Kate treated him that way. She called him dumb, stupid and slapped him. Might have been funny to her but it wasn't to him.

MOO

[Justice4all]

I DO keep my kids (both the teens and adults) out of my room and always have. Oh, and for the record, unless they we are entertaining, we don't let them in the living room, either.

And, for real, big freaking deal, who cares? :confused:

Wait, are you serious? Ppl are making a big deal out glass breaking?????????:scared:

I do that with mine, as well, every day.

But, yeah, how silly, disingenious and very, very, very petty (bitter, party of one, bitter, party of one) the stuff that is used to try to bash Kate.

I was talking about it. I don't think i'm being petty. and why is it okay for people to bash Jon about quitting his state job to be a stay at home father while kate traveled?

and i must be a horrible mother because when my children were little if they needed to come in my room allowed them :crying:

[Justice4all]

Jon Gosselin -- Overpay for Play



Jon Gosselin sincerely believes his time and energy is worth somewhere around $12,000-per hour -- because that's how much he's demanding to appear on a Florida radio show.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0UXrRs24N


Jon really should be ashamed of himself.....MOO

[Justice4all]

I think the new house and acreage is great for the kids and family. I have no idea if they are spending the money to fast or not. I doubt that anyone but them knows that. They made lots of money on the TV show, books (no matter how bad) and other promitional stuff. All the best to the kids and even the dope parents.

Let's see. Jon just bought two cars equaling about 70K and kate just bought a new SUV equaling 70k ...Yep i'm sticking with they are going through that money like the fast and furious richie rich do....MOO

[Marcia3]

So i guess you feel like Kates a liar right? Because she said Jon used to not be this way. She said she wishes the old Jon would come back. :confused:

Wow, that's quite a leap.

Don't recall saying that Kate's a liar...and maybe she's referring to the Jon BEFORE the children were born...who knows?

[angiemomof4]

She also said he's a great father.............

That may have been true before, but not any longer. He traded good parenting in for smoking, drinking, bar hopping, partying, Manhattan, selling his kids to the tabloids, public dating while still married and publicly trashing their mother.

Nice dad. Not.

[Marcia3]

Great article. Thx!

The comment from Jon about his fame and Sean Combs????:blushing:

I don't recall the last time I felt as embarrassed for someone as I did for Jon when I read that quote.

[ish]

OMG, I was just reading the Vanity Fair article and this just tickled my funny bone something fierce.

"“Oh, he’s headed for Buttafuocco territory,” says Harvey Levin of Jon Gosselin.

:laugh::laugh: Is there ANY worse territory than Buttafuocco territory? :lol:

These two may just take it to a new level "Gosselin territory"

[ish]

This show was probably taped well before the Judge made his comments. JMO

They are asking viewers for their questions now, so Kate can answer them Monday. I don't think it has been taped just yet.

[ish]

BBM. I always heard the saying as, "you can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's nose." :ohmy:

It has been my understanding that Jon was on the gravy train from the beginning, too. IIRC one of the jobs he was fired from was for spending too much time shilling for $$$.

Hey Lavinya, hope you are feeling better!

Kate was pretty pro active in looking for $$$ early on, she is the one who submitted a video to I believe TLC to attract attention. I think both of them share equal blame there.

Kate may have stayed home but she had an army of volunteers, handpicked,to help with everything from laundry to making her coffee (just the way she liked it, she had the instructions posted on her cabinet) and she didn't roll out of bed til 8am. Jon was up and got things rolling, bringing her coffee in bed prior to leaving for work. She worked weekends for a time, kudos to her, I'm sure it helped moneywise and gave her a break from the kids. I don't criticize them for the early years, I just think they have both let their heads swell and started thinking of themselves as celebrities, Kate in particular seems to feel she is some kind of maven of motherhood. That there are thousands of mothers out there who need her advice on raising their children. Not really, her situation is unique and lately the choices she is making are not ones that most mothers would want to emulate, the same with Jon's recent performance as a father.

[openminded]

I used to love watching Kate. She very organized and i love how she used to cook all organic. Then in season three she started treating Jon like he was a dog ( that's just my opinion ) but no matter what Kate said or did Jon has NO right to act the way he does now. MOO

I've read she didn't cook much (and certainly not organic) when the cameras were off. It was a "hook" for the show (IMO).

Reality is just not real, unfortunately.

[Debb]

Did anyone see the show this week? Kate and the tups went on a hot air ballon in Florida. (It was little warm. LOL ) She had a little trouble walking across the field to get to the ballon and climbing into it. She did ask what was she thinking to have worn a skirt (short) and heels! Then she admits that she only packs heels now days. Maybe you had to see it. LOL.

[KathR]

As I watch the nightly line up of talking heads on HLN I'm reminded of the public stonings I've read about or the Salem witch trials. Everyone gangs up on Jon and Kate.

IMHO he's far more at fault than she ever was. She had to lead him around by the nose. The man is not capable of functioning on his own. Now he had his GF and lawyer to lead him. But he is not much worse than many other men in this world and a lot better than some. At least he acknowledges his responsibility as a parent.

Poor Kate. Aside from being a bit sharp she has the bad luck to be nice looking and efficient, which seems to cause many people to get their backs up about her.

What ever happened to compassion and understanding. This family is going through hell. They would be going through hell whether or not they are in the public eye right now. Their personal pain is far to much to take public opinion seriously.

The public is eating this up, myself included. However, I am not part of the pack of wolves biting at two people who have had the bad luck to fall in their paths.

[angiemomof4]

As I watch the nightly line up of talking heads on HLN I'm reminded of the public stonings I've read about or the Salem witch trials. Everyone gangs up on Jon and Kate.

IMHO he's far more at fault than she ever was. She had to lead him around by the nose. The man is not capable of functioning on his own. Now he had his GF and lawyer to lead him. But he is not much worse than many other men in this world and a lot better than some. At least he acknowledges his responsibility as a parent.

Poor Kate. Aside from being a bit sharp she has the bad luck to be nice looking and efficient, which seems to cause many people to get their backs up about her.

What ever happened to compassion and understanding. This family is going through hell. They would be going through hell whether or not they are in the public eye right now. Their personal pain is far to much to take public opinion seriously.

The public is eating this up, myself included. However, I am not part of the pack of wolves biting at two people who have had the bad luck to fall in their paths.

You make a very good point. I agree.

[Casecase]

Just so you know when you put the pot lid on the glass top the the glass cracks from the steam.

I'm actually glad you brought this topic up because it was something I didn't know and I have a glass top stove. My DH would probably say it's worthless knowledge for me because you don't have to worry about breaking something you don't use . . . LOL.


IMO

[Casecase]

I was talking about it. I don't think i'm being petty. and why is it okay for people to bash Jon about quitting his state job to be a stay at home father while kate traveled?

and i must be a horrible mother because when my children were little if they needed to come in my room allowed them :crying:

I think everyone has a different policy about kids in the bedroom. There is no room in the house that is off limits to my DD, and she's always been welcome to come in when she needs us. But when I was growing up, we weren't allowed to step foot in the formal living room, nor were we allowed to go into my parents' bedroom. And my DH's family was the same way (with both the living room and the parents' bedroom).


IMO

[MsBondJamesBond]

yes she paused and then she said deep down she knows he's a good father. Do you feel like she's lying?

Yes. :laugh:

[Justice4all]

They are asking viewers for their questions now, so Kate can answer them Monday. I don't think it has been taped just yet.

I haven't watched Jon and Kate this season but i've been watching the Duggars and they are doing the same kind of show next week :thumbsup:
Theirs are already taped because they show Michelle answering one question saying " Okay i'm going to try and answer this one nicely" and her face turns bright red lol

[Justice4all]

I think everyone has a different policy about kids in the bedroom. There is no room in the house that is off limits to my DD, and she's always been welcome to come in when she needs us. But when I was growing up, we weren't allowed to step foot in the formal living room, nor were we allowed to go into my parents' bedroom. And my DH's family was the same way (with both the living room and the parents' bedroom).


IMO

When i was little i was never allowed in the formal living room. My mothers said " too many things little fingers could break" . Then when i would go see my Grandmother in Louisiana and she had a huge plantation home. Children were never allowed in her "parlor" . The word "parlor" used to scare me for some reason when i was a child. Then i finally figure out that was jut a southern word for formal living room LOL

[Casecase]

When i was little i was never allowed in the formal living room. My mothers said " too many things little fingers could break" . Then when i would go see my Grandmother in Louisiana and she had a huge plantation home. Children were never allowed in her "parlor" . The word "parlor" used to scare me for some reason when i was a child. Then i finally figure out that was jut a southern word for formal living room LOL

Funny thing about our living room growing up is that there wasn't a bunch of nicknacks or breakables in it - my parents just didn't want anyhow to sit on the furniture, get fingerprints on the coffee table and mess up the vacuum pattern in the carpet. Seriously, what good is a room like that?!?!


IMO

[Mnchkin426]

Just so you know when you put the pot lid on the glass top the the glass cracks from the steam.

Judging by the messages on this board, not everyone has had a problem with putting a pot lid on the glass top. Better advice would be to check the instruction manual for your particular stove. JMO

[Justice4all]

Funny thing about our living room growing up is that there wasn't a bunch of nicknacks or breakables in it - my parents just didn't want anyhow to sit on the furniture, get fingerprints on the coffee table and mess up the vacuum pattern in the carpet. Seriously, what good is a room like that?!?!


IMO

Exactly what in the world are those kind of rooms good for... I guess way back then when you had surprise company they never went pass that room LOL

and back the kitchens used to have doors and they were closed off from the rest of the house. Now days it's move an open concept so everyone can talk to whomever is cooking.

Talking about cooking...I wonder how long Kate's cookbooks on hold.

[StickyBeak]

Morning everyone. I just read on TMZ that Jon was asked to come on as a co-host for a radio station in Tampa. They would provided first class round trip air, limo service and first class accomodations. Jon rep said he needed to be paid $10 - 12,000 for the hour. The station laughed.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/21/jon-gosselin-radio-show-appearance-fee/?flv=1

[Justice4all]

Judging by the messages on this board, not everyone has had a problem with putting a pot lid on the glass top. Better advice would be to check the instruction manual for your particular stove. JMO

exactly....and it's in the instruction manual. I checked my moms after kate's exploded.

[Justice4all]

Morning everyone. I just read on TMZ that Jon was asked to come on as a co-host for a radio station in Tampa. They would provided first class round trip air, limo service and first class accomodations. Jon rep said he needed to be paid $10 - 12,000 for the hour. The station laughed.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/21/jon-gosselin-radio-show-appearance-fee/?flv=1

I read that last night. Jon should be ashamed of himself.
I just thought his gut was getting big, i was wrong....He's got a big head also.
Both of these parents make me want to barf



moo

[Mnchkin426]

They are asking viewers for their questions now, so Kate can answer them Monday. I don't think it has been taped just yet.

Were you able to find where on the website they were asking for questions? I couldn't find anything which makes me wonder when the episode was filmed.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Were you able to find where on the website they were asking for questions? I couldn't find anything which makes me wonder when the episode was filmed.

JMO

I wonder if they will let her answer the hard questions.

[martha]

I have watched this show from the start and I so enjoyed watching them. A church helped them add on to thier house when they first brought the babys home. Now jon just wanted the twin girls they had but kate talked him into having more children or just one more and look what happened. I have a boy and a girl and they or a year a month a week apart and boy did I have my hands full.Just like having twins.My hubby did not help with them like jon did. The min.Jon come home from work Kate started to telling him what to do to help her. He never said a word back to her at that time. Kate had to many rules of her own. We really don;t know what their real life was all about since all we seen was what they filmed and it was at good times. If you have that many children there is not much time for jon and kate to have time for them selfs and that is bad on a marrage. Sometimes the men resent the children because the take up so much of the wife time.I really think as time went on the money went to both of them heads.Kate loves being in the public but Jon don;t he likes the money but don;t care about being seen all the time. It is as much one fault as the other one.I so wanted to watch the children grow up it was a good show. Now it is going to be all about the money.I just hope each child has enought money in their name to see them thru college. They have had help with the children since day one. Every thing just about has been given to them. They have plenty of money now. I really think they would have made it and still be married if they had stuck with just having the twins. now it is never going to work. Kate wants to be on tv and write books and jon don;t want that.They both still want the money. Kate;s brother that has helped them so much and his wife that has keep the children so much for them and has been there for them when they needed them well Kate and Jon did not want them to be paid to be on the show now that was awful. I don;t want to watch the show now because of Jon and Kate. I sure will miss the kids tho. I love them and enjoyed watching them grow up but they need to stop the show because if jon and kate both can't be there for the kids then it is no good.jmho:wub:

[martha]

I read that last night. Jon should be ashamed of himself.
I just thought his gut was getting big, i was wrong....He's got a big head also.
Both of these parents make me want to barf



mooYou or right about Jon. but kate has the big head too.now she has everything done to her self new boobs and keeps a tan and dressing better and is all way ready for the camera. She loves being in the public eye. Her teeth have been fixed and no telling what elce.jmho:wub:now it has got about the money. they both want to make more money for them self not f0r the children. I sure hope there is money put up for the kids and college.jmho:wub:

[Mnchkin426]

Wonder why Jon never seems to take the children away from the house.....excepting doctor/dentist appointments or Starbucks? He could plan an activity with a few of them each time he has custody. IMO

Also, riding on the ATV with two children and no helmets seems to me to be a disaster waiting to happen.

JMO



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/daddy-duty-jon-gosselin-relaxes-kids-yard

[birdwatch]

exactly....and it's in the instruction manual. I checked my moms after kate's exploded. Mayabe it depends on which brand. I checked mine - read all the instruction manual becasue I was going from gas to this one. Didn't say anything about that. And I always put the lid down on the stove. Guess I was just lucky I didn't break it.

[birdwatch]

Morning everyone. I just read on TMZ that Jon was asked to come on as a co-host for a radio station in Tampa. They would provided first class round trip air, limo service and first class accomodations. Jon rep said he needed to be paid $10 - 12,000 for the hour. The station laughed.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/21/jon-gosselin-radio-show-appearance-fee/?flv=1

How much does Kate charge? Does anyone know? She also has expenses - for herself and her bodyguard.

[Justice4all]

Wonder why Jon never seems to take the children away from the house.....excepting doctor/dentist appointments or Starbucks? He could plan an activity with a few of them each time he has custody. IMO

Also, riding on the ATV with two children and no helmets seems to me to be a disaster waiting to happen.

JMO



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/daddy-duty-jon-gosselin-relaxes-kids-yard

Only time i see Kate taking them anywhere is when TLC's paying for it.


MOO

[angiemomof4]

I'm actually glad you brought this topic up because it was something I didn't know and I have a glass top stove. My DH would probably say it's worthless knowledge for me because you don't have to worry about breaking something you don't use . . . LOL.


IMO

I have a glass top stove also and never knew this. It was here when we moved in so it's not like I had an owners manual to read.

I really think this is being blown out of proportion. Who cares if she broke her stove top?! Did Kate ever claim that she was perfect? For pete's sake, there's more important issues going on here!

[angiemomof4]

I think everyone has a different policy about kids in the bedroom. There is no room in the house that is off limits to my DD, and she's always been welcome to come in when she needs us. But when I was growing up, we weren't allowed to step foot in the formal living room, nor were we allowed to go into my parents' bedroom. And my DH's family was the same way (with both the living room and the parents' bedroom).


IMO

We don't have any off-limit rooms either but I can certainly understand why some people have those rules....especially when we're talking about somebody with 8 young kids. It makes sense to not want the chaos in the master bedroom. I do think that Kate could have informed the kids of the rule in a much nicer manner. She was really nasty about it.

[Justice4all]

I have a glass top stove also and never knew this. It was here when we moved in so it's not like I had an owners manual to read.

I really think this is being blown out of proportion. Who cares if she broke her stove top?! Did Kate ever claim that she was perfect? For pete's sake, there's more important issues going on here!

Do you feel like it's been blown out of proportion Jon riding on the 4 wheelers with the children ?

[ish]

Did anyone see the show this week? Kate and the tups went on a hot air ballon in Florida. (It was little warm. LOL ) She had a little trouble walking across the field to get to the ballon and climbing into it. She did ask what was she thinking to have worn a skirt (short) and heels! Then she admits that she only packs heels now days. Maybe you had to see it. LOL.

Jon has his Ed Hardy shirts and Kate has her heels, both have come a long way!!

Each is letting fame affect them in different ways, I thought the article in Vanity Fair was quite eye opneing with regard to both of them.

[Mnchkin426]

Only time i see Kate taking them anywhere is when TLC's paying for it.


MOO

That may very well be true about Kate....I don't know. At least the children have been the opportunity to experience different places.

Why divert the conversation by making a comment about Kate....a little avoidance, maybe? I was asking about Jon. Why doesn't he take them places? I imagine TLC would have paid for him to do so.....had he behaved himself. He lives in NYC where there are many, many interesting/educational things for the children to see. Not very hard to plan a trip there on occasion and not expensive since he already has a place for them to stay. At the very least he could take Mady and Cara or even three of the tups at a time. Seems to me that he is missing a golden opportunity if he truly cares about his kids. JMO

[ish]

I wonder if they will let her answer the hard questions.

Remember the episode where Jon read the emails on the home computer and he and Kate answered them? They tossed any negative or tough questions and answered the fluff. This will be more of the same, with Jon painted as the bad guy and Kate the poor, beleaguered mom. Complete with sniffles, quivering lip and kleenex. Maybe she'll show us that stack of bills in her purse she can't pay. Bet we don't get another glimpse of the 65K Land Cruiser.

[Justice4all]

That may very well be true about Kate....I don't know. At least the children have been the opportunity to experience different places.

Why divert the conversation by making a comment about Kate....a little avoidance, maybe? I was asking about Jon. Why doesn't he take them places? I imagine TLC would have paid for him to do so.....had he behaved himself. He lives in NYC where there are many, many interesting/educational things for the children to see. Not very hard to plan a trip there on occasion and not expensive since he already has a place for them to stay. At the very least he could take Mady and Cara or even three of the tups at a time. Seems to me that he is missing a golden opportunity if he truly cares about his kids. JMO

No i'm not trying to avoid anything.
I'll be honest with you ...Right now i think Jon staying at home with the children is probably the best thing he could do. The papparrazi would follow them every where. Why put the children through that?

I used to love the show when things were great and the children traveled with both children, but with a very ugly divorce going on and papparrazi screaming out ugly things every chance they get i honestly feel stopping the show for NOW is best....and i think staying at home and having home adventures like Kate did with camping in the back yard and bar-b-quing and all that is probably BEST...


MOO

[Mnchkin426]

Do you feel like it's been blown out of proportion Jon riding on the 4 wheelers with the children ?

No.....the children's safety is a huge and important issue. Actually, Jon's safety as well. Perhaps you have never known a person to be injured or even killed when riding without a helmet. Or, to be saved from injury or death because they were wearing a helmet. I have! JMO

[Justice4all]

Remember the episode where Jon read the emails on the home computer and he and Kate answered them? They tossed any negative or tough questions and answered the fluff. This will be more of the same, with Jon painted as the bad guy and Kate the poor, beleaguered mom. Complete with sniffles, quivering lip and kleenex. Maybe she'll show us that stack of bills in her purse she can't pay. Bet we don't get another glimpse of the 65K Land Cruiser.

ITA..... and i'm sorry but i'm not even going to watch and give her the satisfaction of higher ratings. Jon is still under contract till Feb 2010 why is he not answering questioins?

[Mnchkin426]

No i'm not trying to avoid anything.
I'll be honest with you ...Right now i think Jon staying at home with the children is probably the best thing he could do. The papparrazi would follow them every where. Why put the children through that?

I used to love the show when things were great and the children traveled with both children, but with a very ugly divorce going on and papparrazi screaming out ugly things every chance they get i honestly feel stopping the show for NOW is best....and i think staying at home and having home adventures like Kate did with camping in the back yard and bar-b-quing and all that is probably BEST...


MOO

You do have a valid point about the paparazzi although I'm not sure that that enters into Jon's reasoning. JMO

[Justice4all]

No.....the children's safety is a huge and important issue. Actually, Jon's safety as well. Perhaps you have never known a person to be injured or even killed when riding without a helmet. Or, to be saved from injury or death because they were wearing a helmet. I have! JMO

Actually yes i do know a few people that have been killed riding and not wearing a helmet. and i haven't read on here anyone talking about the childrens safety. I've only read that Jon should take the children out of the house more when he has them..... :confused:

[Justice4all]

You do have a valid point about the paparazzi although I'm not sure that that enters into Jon's reasoning. JMO

what do you think he's reasoning is?

[angiemomof4]

No.....the children's safety is a huge and important issue. Actually, Jon's safety as well. Perhaps you have never known a person to be injured or even killed when riding without a helmet. Or, to be saved from injury or death because they were wearing a helmet. I have! JMO

I wonder how fast he was going? I probably wouldn't make an issue of it with my own kids if they were going slllloooooowwwww. But then again, that's the only way I'd even ALLOW my kids on one of those things in the first place.

[Mnchkin426]

Actually yes i do know a few people that have been killed riding and not wearing a helmet. and i haven't read on here anyone talking about the childrens safety. I've only read that Jon should take the children out of the house more when he has them..... :confused:

Also, riding on the ATV with two children and no helmets seems to me to be a disaster waiting to happen.

snipped

Guess you didn't see this comment that I made previously.

[ish]

That may very well be true about Kate....I don't know. At least the children have been the opportunity to experience different places.

Why divert the conversation by making a comment about Kate....a little avoidance, maybe? I was asking about Jon. Why doesn't he take them places? I imagine TLC would have paid for him to do so.....had he behaved himself. He lives in NYC where there are many, many interesting/educational things for the children to see. Not very hard to plan a trip there on occasion and not expensive since he already has a place for them to stay. At the very least he could take Mady and Cara or even three of the tups at a time. Seems to me that he is missing a golden opportunity if he truly cares about his kids. JMO

Maybe he does take them places, but without a camera following them. We have no way of knowing. Who is TLC to determine how Jon should behave? TLC made an agreement with Jon and Kate that if EITHER of them felt they didn't want the children filmed they would cease. Jon has said he wants filming stopped, maybe for petty and selfish reasons but TLC agreed to that. They had to, how would it look otherwise. Maybe they never thought someone would walk away and now they see their little golden geese getting away from them and are trying to wring every last dollar out of them that they can. Does anyone here actually think , do Jon and Kate actually believe that TLC gives a crap about whether or not this show is good for the kids emotionally in the long run? I sincerely doubt it. The Heene family is just begging for a reality show, let them have a shot at it. They'll do anything for their fifteen minutes of fame and Mr. Heene doesn't look like he'd object to anything as long as his face is on the TV.

[ish]

Actually yes i do know a few people that have been killed riding and not wearing a helmet. and i haven't read on here anyone talking about the childrens safety. I've only read that Jon should take the children out of the house more when he has them..... :confused:

Perhaps TLC should have stepped in and told Jon to put helmets on the kids. That is if TLC was really thinking about the kids.

[ish]

ITA..... and i'm sorry but i'm not even going to watch and give her the satisfaction of higher ratings. Jon is still under contract till Feb 2010 why is he not answering questioins?

They're probably afraid he won't follow the script!

[Mnchkin426]

what do you think he's reasoning is?

Have no idea. His thought process is a mystery to me. JMO

[Justice4all]

Gosselin's Lawyer Formally Up a Creek



Jon Gosselin may be on the hunt for a new lawyer soon, because we've learned the person who sponsored New York attorney Mark Heller to appear on Gosselin's behalf in Pennsylvania has formally made a motion with the court to withdraw his support.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Uau2I65Q

[Justice4all]

Perhaps TLC should have stepped in and told Jon to put helmets on the kids. That is if TLC was really thinking about the kids.

Was TLC there?

[ish]

We don't have any off-limit rooms either but I can certainly understand why some people have those rules....especially when we're talking about somebody with 8 young kids. It makes sense to not want the chaos in the master bedroom. I do think that Kate could have informed the kids of the rule in a much nicer manner. She was really nasty about it.

Or perhaps she could have taught them just to knock and wait to be admitted. That is what most people I would think teach their children to do, especially with regard to bedrooms and bathrooms. Common courtesy.

[Mnchkin426]

Perhaps TLC should have stepped in and told Jon to put helmets on the kids. That is if TLC was really thinking about the kids.

TLC wasn't filming. Maybe the paparazzi who were taking the pictures should have said something. Flynet was credited. JMO

[ish]

Was TLC there?

I believe they were filming, unless this is a clip from the "P" people. I haven't seen it myself.

[Justice4all]

Have no idea. His thought process is a mystery to me. JMO

I totally agree with Jon about stopping the show for now while this messing divorce is taking place. I'm shocked Kate doesn't agree with him. I know she wants the big bucks but she's already admitted the children are acting out. All the psychologist that have been on tv have said it's time for the show to end.

Now about Jon and his girlfriends....I think he's really messing up and if he loves his children as much as he says he does he needs to put all that aside for awhile and think of his children and get his divorce.


JMHO

[Justice4all]

I believe they were filming, unless this is a clip from the "P" people. I haven't seen it myself.

I think it was just pappas taking the pix. TLC hasn't filmed in almost a month now.


MOO

[Justice4all]

Or perhaps she could have taught them just to knock and wait to be admitted. That is what most people I would think teach their children to do, especially with regard to bedrooms and bathrooms. Common courtesy.

That's how my parents were about their bedroom..
all of us children would knock...they would say yesssssssssssss what do you want and we would say mommy can we * fill in blank* and then she would say come in and then we would go in. Never saw my parents in the shower or tub, never caught them naked or bed....Just makes sense, knock and then wait to be told to enter.


It's called RESPECT....for the children and the adults.

MOO

[Mnchkin426]

I believe they were filming, unless this is a clip from the "P" people. I haven't seen it myself.

Was still photographs not a film clip. No filming. Take a look. JMO

[ish]

TLC wasn't filming. Maybe the paparazzi who were taking the pictures should have said something. Flynet was credited. JMO

My error, I didn't see the clip and assumed it was from the show. But yes the paps should have said something, I've heard them remark to other celebs about unsafe behavior. Recently, there was a clip of them criticizing Matt Mc Conahy for walking his dog without a leash. I would think they would be at least as concerned for children as they are for a celebs dog.

But Jon should have known better. Plenty of parents do stupid things like that. Didn't CPS pay a visit to Britney Spears after the paps filmed her driving with her very young child in her lap?

[daniel green]

I don't recall the last time I felt as embarrassed for someone as I did for Jon when I read that quote.

I know. Just cringe-inducing, wanting to crawl under a table for him.

That was until today till I read he wants 120K/hr to show up at something. Now I think he has truly come off the tracks and I am worried about him. I sure hope the arbitrator sends this to court and that Jon's time with the children is limited. He really does seem to have come totally unglued.

[Mnchkin426]

I know. Just cringe-inducing, wanting to crawl under a table for him.

That was until today till I read he wants 120K/hr to show up at something. Now I think he has truly come off the tracks and I am worried about him. I sure hope the arbitrator sends this to court and that Jon's time with the children is limited. He really does seem to have come totally unglued.

Think the correct request was for $10,000-$12,000 for the hour.

[ish]

I totally agree with Jon about stopping the show for now while this messing divorce is taking place. I'm shocked Kate doesn't agree with him. I know she wants the big bucks but she's already admitted the children are acting out. All the psychologist that have been on tv have said it's time for the show to end.

Now about Jon and his girlfriends....I think he's really messing up and if he loves his children as much as he says he does he needs to put all that aside for awhile and think of his children and get his divorce.


JMHO

He clearly stated last season he didn't want to continue and Kate basically said tough I'm doing it. I think TLC may have had some private
talks with Kate after that, perhaps whispering words like, your own show, money, money, money, no Jon, fame etc. Now that the divorce has gotten ugly, they should stop filming. Let Kate strike out on her own. The kids are in school part time she can film her shows around their schedule. Outside of perhaps an occasional appearance there is no need to continue filming with the kids. Unless TLC isn't so sure the public will watch Kate without the eight.

[daniel green]

Morning everyone. I just read on TMZ that Jon was asked to come on as a co-host for a radio station in Tampa. They would provided first class round trip air, limo service and first class accomodations. Jon rep said he needed to be paid $10 - 12,000 for the hour. The station laughed.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/21/jon-gosselin-radio-show-appearance-fee/?flv=1

Bless his heart, he really has lost it, hasn't he? :ohmy:

[daniel green]

Think the correct request was for $10,000-$12,000 for the hour.

Ha! I did a Jon an added a 0 to the outrageous 12!!!:blushing:

[ish]

Think the correct request was for $10,000-$12,000 for the hour.

If someone will pay him that, let him get it. At least he is earning money to hopefully support his kids with. Maybe Kate should make some appearances for money and the need for using the kids to earn money will be over.

The Kardashians are making plenty with appearances.

Jon showing that he can earn decent money is a good thing, the courts will be looking at that when they determine how much child support he will pay.

[daniel green]

snipped
She said she'd done that for emphasis all her life and I think she was honestly surprised when he said it embarassed him. I do think she should have quit when he said it embarassed him, but who knows, maybe she did. :shrug:

She did. They did a show last yr where they answered email questions and Jon and Kate talked about those things and Kate said she had no idea he felt like that and was very sorry.

[ish]

Ha! I did a Jon an added a 0 to the outrageous 12!!!:blushing:

He does probably think he is worth at least that much!!:laugh:

[daniel green]

He clearly stated last season he didn't want to continue and Kate basically said tough I'm doing it.snipped

That just so didn't happen.

BTW, you have seen the vid of Jon talking about how great filming was and how the kids loved it a couple weeks before he go axed by TLC and then decided it was bad for the kids, right?

[Mnchkin426]

He clearly stated last season he didn't want to continue and Kate basically said tough I'm doing it. I think TLC may have had some private
talks with Kate after that, perhaps whispering words like, your own show, money, money, money, no Jon, fame etc. Now that the divorce has gotten ugly, they should stop filming. Let Kate strike out on her own. The kids are in school part time she can film her shows around their schedule. Outside of perhaps an occasional appearance there is no need to continue filming with the kids. Unless TLC isn't so sure the public will watch Kate without the eight.

TLC has stopped filming the children, so everyone should be pleased. The remaining episodes are from before Jon said "no more", apparently with some fillers provided by Kate alone.

JMO

[daniel green]

He does probably think he is worth at least that much!!:laugh:

Ain't that the truth!!!!!!:thumbsup:

Remember that crazy interview he did a couple wks back with parent dish where he claimed to be the second "most popular person?" :scared:

[daniel green]

TLC has stopped filming the children, so everyone should be pleased. The remaining episodes are from before Jon said "no more", apparently with some fillers provided by Kate alone.

JMO

Right. TLC is still filming Kate and her own show is in the works, too, with them.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Ain't that the truth!!!!!!:thumbsup:

Remember that crazy interview he did a couple wks back with parent dish where he claimed to be the second "most popular person?" :scared:

2nd after Michael Jackson, IIRC. :laugh:

[daniel green]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-questions-kate-gosselin-will-answer-tv

Published reports that this is the last episode of Jon & Kate Plus 8 are wrong, RadarOnline.com has confirmed. As we originally reported, the show will run into November, with some extra footage of Kate being shot to supplement what is left since Jon pulled the plug on TLC filming the kids. Other questions Kate will answer: "Is it fair to say that your relationship with the paparazzi and Jon's relationship with the paparazzi are completely different?" (Yeah, we’re pretty sure we know how that one is going to be answered!)

[daniel green]

2nd after Michael Jackson, IIRC. :laugh:

Most popular. :biggrin: That one still cracks me up.

Did anyone catch Ent Tonight last night? They had a vid of Jon standing outside, cig in hand, blackberry in the other, and a Pap asked him his thoughts on the balloon boy dad. And Jon answered all serious, I kid you not. About how child protective services should take a look at the kids' situation, etc.

[Mnchkin426]

If someone will pay him that, let him get it. At least he is earning money to hopefully support his kids with. Maybe Kate should make some appearances for money and the need for using the kids to earn money will be over.

The Kardashians are making plenty with appearances.

Jon showing that he can earn decent money is a good thing, the courts will be looking at that when they determine how much child support he will pay.

Well, sadly the radio station didn't think he was worth that since they laughed. It would be nice if Jon could or would support the children. I wonder if he has a clue about the costs involved in running a large household.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Right. TLC is still filming Kate and her own show is in the works, too, with them.

They are? Why did they remove all the filming stuff from the house?

[Mnchkin426]

Most popular. :biggrin: That one still cracks me up.

Did anyone catch Ent Tonight last night? They had a vid of Jon standing outside, cig in hand, blackberry in the other, and a Pap asked him his thoughts on the balloon boy dad. And Jon answered all serious, I kid you not. About how child protective services should take a look at the kids' situation, etc.

I have to agree with Jon. IMO the Heemes' father is scary. Apparently his temper is over the top and there is a real question of physical domestic abuse directed at his wife and at his children. He has a criminal record as well. So, CPS may have a role to play with that family.

JMO

[Mnchkin426]

They are? Why did they remove all the filming stuff from the house?

Guess they must be filming Kate elsewhere. JMO

[Justice4all]

She did. They did a show last yr where they answered email questions and Jon and Kate talked about those things and Kate said she had no idea he felt like that and was very sorry.

Sounds like a typical abuser.....Slaps spouse around, calls them stupid in public, then says they didn't know the spouse was embarrassed and then says sorry.....Then continues the behavior :crying:


moo

[Marcia3]

That's how my parents were about their bedroom..
all of us children would knock...they would say yesssssssssssss what do you want and we would say mommy can we * fill in blank* and then she would say come in and then we would go in. Never saw my parents in the shower or tub, never caught them naked or bed....Just makes sense, knock and then wait to be told to enter.


It's called RESPECT....for the children and the adults.

MOO

Amen! And if our family had been one of 8 children (and not 3), my mom probably would have been more stern and blunt about the rules.

I'm not one of Kate's biggest fans, but honestly, I think sometimes she comes across as being "tough" or "harsh" when she's just trying to be heard over the din of 8 children all at once!

[Justice4all]

Guess they must be filming Kate elsewhere. JMO

I wonder where... I wonder what kind of show it will be. Maybe we'll get to watch Kate get her hair and nails done :thumbsup:

[ish]

That just so didn't happen.

BTW, you have seen the vid of Jon talking about how great filming was and how the kids loved it a couple weeks before he go axed by TLC and then decided it was bad for the kids, right?

Yes it did, Kate and Jon were on the couch talking and discussing the future of the show, he expressed his opinion that he was pretty much finished and she said I'm happy with it, I'm in for another season. Not an exact quote but something along those lines. It was clear there were problems, the stories about the school teacher I think were just starting to emerge. But the conversation did take place.

[Justice4all]

I know. Just cringe-inducing, wanting to crawl under a table for him.

That was until today till I read he wants 120K/hr to show up at something. Now I think he has truly come off the tracks and I am worried about him. I sure hope the arbitrator sends this to court and that Jon's time with the children is limited. He really does seem to have come totally unglued.

BBM...Got a link?

[Marcia3]

I know. Just cringe-inducing, wanting to crawl under a table for him.

That was until today till I read he wants 120K/hr to show up at something. Now I think he has truly come off the tracks and I am worried about him. I sure hope the arbitrator sends this to court and that Jon's time with the children is limited. He really does seem to have come totally unglued.

Yep, my concerns about his overall stability have grown over these past few months. His demands for money, the apparent delusions of grandeur, bursts of anger and hostility, all of it has grown disproportionately in the last few weeks.

All JMO of course.

[Mnchkin426]

BBM...Got a link?

Was corrected previously.

[Justice4all]

Was corrected previously.

what was corrected?

[Mnchkin426]

what was corrected?

If you look back you will see that the 120K was an admitted misspeak. Actual amount Jon asked for was between $10,000 and $12,000.

JMO

[Justice4all]

If you look back you will see that the 120K was an admitted misspeak. Actual amount Jon asked for was between $10,000 and $12,000.

JMO

well thank you for correcting her :thumbup:

[angiemomof4]

Amen! And if our family had been one of 8 children (and not 3), my mom probably would have been more stern and blunt about the rules.

I'm not one of Kate's biggest fans, but honestly, I think sometimes she comes across as being "tough" or "harsh" when she's just trying to be heard over the din of 8 children all at once!

Very true, never really thought of that. I guess I do the same thing and I only have 4 kids....including one mouthy ten year old who likes to talk over me. :flamemad: It's enough to make my blood boil. But yea, I often have to raise my voice over all of the chaos (4 kids talking to me at once) just to be heard. GGGrrrr, it's aggravating! Then the kids look at me like WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER?! :blink: :mad:

[ish]

Very true, never really thought of that. I guess I do the same thing and I only have 4 kids....including one mouthy ten year old who likes to talk over me. :flamemad: It's enough to make my blood boil. But yea, I often have to raise my voice over all of the chaos (4 kids talking to me at once) just to be heard. GGGrrrr, it's aggravating! Then the kids look at me like WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER?! :blink: :mad:

We always used to ask my mom, why are you always yelling at us. Her answer,
because you don't listen when I talk nice!

She had a point.

[Marcia3]

Very true, never really thought of that. I guess I do the same thing and I only have 4 kids....including one mouthy ten year old who likes to talk over me. :flamemad: It's enough to make my blood boil. But yea, I often have to raise my voice over all of the chaos (4 kids talking to me at once) just to be heard. GGGrrrr, it's aggravating! Then the kids look at me like WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER?! : ::

And one of my children had to be asked to "tune in" when you had something to tell her, otherwise she would look like she was listening, but she was retaining nothing you told her.

I'm sure I came across as harsh to my kids from time to time...but luckily no one was filming me! :tonguewag:

[angiemomof4]

We always used to ask my mom, why are you always yelling at us. Her answer,
because you don't listen when I talk nice!

She had a point.

My daughter and I had a very, very similiar exchange of words yesterday, lol...

[angiemomof4]

And one of my children had to be asked to "tune in" when you had something to tell her, otherwise she would look like she was listening, but she was retaining nothing you told her.

I'm sure I came across as harsh to my kids from time to time...but luckily no one was filming me! :tonguewag:

Oh gosh, yea....I'm so glad my mothering moments are not filmed for the world to see. You all here would be having lots to discuss. :blush:

Hey, I do the best I can. But I'm not perfect and the stress of 4 kids can just really bring out the worst in me. Especially with a very, very hard to handle 3 year old. So I guess I'm not so hard on Kate because I have no room to talk. I mean, she can be a very not nice person sometimes, but the woman is juggling 8 kids!

[daniel green]

Yep, my concerns about his overall stability have grown over these past few months. His demands for money, the apparent delusions of grandeur, bursts of anger and hostility, all of it has grown disproportionately in the last few weeks.

All JMO of course.

Yep, it has. It seems to be getting worse by the day. And--like with the stunt of having the kids in an ATV without helmets--it seems he is not stable enough to be in charge and control of 8 small children at this time.

[Justice4all]

The ex-reality TV star was spotted walking his friend's dog, Sasha, Wednesday in Reading Pennsylvania and took time out to talk about how much he misses his own two dogs.

The dad of eight was in a reflective mood and he told photographers that not only does he miss the dogs, so do his children.

And, yes, he still blames Kate!

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/video-jon-gosselin-misses-his-dogs

[daniel green]

I wonder where... I wonder what kind of show it will be. Maybe we'll get to watch Kate get her hair and nails done :thumbsup:

Or not.

As far as I know, watching Kate plus 8, or any show, for that matter, is not compulsory.

We have, btw, watched her get her nails and hair done in past J+K+8 episodes.

[daniel green]

Yes it did, Kate and Jon were on the couch talking and discussing the future of the show, he expressed his opinion that he was pretty much finished and she said I'm happy with it, I'm in for another season. Not an exact quote but something along those lines. It was clear there were problems, the stories about the school teacher I think were just starting to emerge. But the conversation did take place.

What he actually said was that he was not sure, that he wanted to be "a private person." She said she liked the show and they said, at the end of the episode, "so, there it is."

As we all know, Jon quickly changed his mind about being a pvt person and was back to taping episodes lickety split and out trying to get his own show, etc. You know, like he is now on salary with ET.

[daniel green]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/video-jon-gosselin-misses-his-dogs

Oh, goodness, this reminds me of his holding that little toddler of the nanny/gf's in several pics/vids, while his children played alone. :sad:


From the link:

(Of course, Jon could have rented a house, instead of an apartment in New York City, and kept the dogs. But let's not go there. Ok, you can go there in the comments section.)

[Mnchkin426]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/video-jon-gosselin-misses-his-dogs

Looks like Jon allowed the reporter/photgrapher right up to the front door. So much for a closed gate policy. JMO

[daniel green]

The radio station offered Gosselin first-class airfare, limo service and first-class hotel accommodations. But he wanted more. MJ Morning Show co-host “Hurricane” told Access the show initially only offered Gosselin two gift cards to Applebee’s, but he wouldn’t bite. A rep for Gosselin requested an “appearance fee ... in the 10-12K range,” and said the Octo-dad was well worth the money. ”[Jon’s] name and appearance on your show will instantly draw press ... and will be a high point for the show,” Gosselin’s rep told the radio station, adding that he’s, “quite funny, sharp witted and interesting.” The Tampa radio host said he “fell out of his chair” when he heard Gosselin’s lofty demands.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33415296/ns/entertainment-access_hollywood/

[daniel green]

The Gosselins' former nanny Stephanie Santaro, who later claimed to be Jon's lover, says the kids love doing the show. And she thinks Jon Gosselin is lying when he says the kids don't want to do the show anymore. "I personally have been there when they taped," Stephanie said in an exclusive video interview with RadarOnline.com. "They have a ball with it and they love it," she said, adding, that they are never forced to film if they don't feel like it. Why is Jon trying to shut down the show? "I do think he is on a monstrous power trip right now," Stephanie told Radar. "All he does want out of everything is control. He wants to be in control of everything in his life," she said, "including Kate."

And did we mention that he's obsessed with the celebrity lifestyle?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2009/10/former-nannylover-says-jon-gosselin-is-lying-about-the-kids-hating-the-show.html

[msgatorslayer]

Jon Gosselin wanted $12,000 to be on the MJ Morning Show

http://blogs.tampabay.com/juice/2009/10/jon-gosselin-wanted-12000-to-be-on-the-mj-morning-show.html

[Justice4all]

Oh, goodness, this reminds me of his holding that little toddler of the nanny/gf's in several pics/vids, while his children played alone. :sad:


From the link:

He really should be ashamed of himself.
now about him keeping the dog in NYC....not sure if they allow big dogs.

[Justice4all]

Or not.

As far as I know, watching Kate plus 8, or any show, for that matter, is not compulsory.

We have, btw, watched her get her nails and hair done in past J+K+8 episodes.

Do you know what her new show will be about?

[Justice4all]

I think what upsets me the most about the dogs is why does he continue to blame kate? Seriously if he wanted the dogs so darn bad he should have got a place close to home and took them with him...


MOO

[martha]

I sure did like the show with jon and kate both there and with the children but I don;t think I will watch a show with just kate. Maybe she can just write books or something. she is a rn and could go back to that job. Jon had a good job so he could go back to doing that. They both or ruining them selfs for tv.jmho

[martha]

the only thing about that is they will not be able to keep the house that cost over a million dollars with their old jobs.all the trips will have to stop and the new cloths the kids have that company give to them will stop.I don;t think jon and kate can go back to living like they were before they started making the big money.jmho:wub:

[Justice4all]

OT


They just found Somers little body in a landfill ................. :crying:

[Mnchkin426]

I think what upsets me the most about the dogs is why does he continue to blame kate? Seriously if he wanted the dogs so darn bad he should have got a place close to home and took them with him...


MOO

I think it is easier for Jon to blame Kate about the dogs than face the fact that he left HIS dogs behind when he made a calculated decision to live in NYC. JMO

[Mnchkin426]

He really should be ashamed of himself.
now about him keeping the dog in NYC....not sure if they allow big dogs.

Certainly large dogs are allowed in NYC (LOL). Actually, NYC is very dog friendly, I belive. Jon's apartment may not allow them, however.

JMO

[daniel green]

Certainly large dogs are allowed in NYC (LOL). Actually, NYC is very dog friendly, I belive. Jon's apartment may not allow them, however.

JMO

NYC is TOTALLY dog-friendly! And there are lots of parks and lots of dog walkers and lots of doggy daycare.

[Justice4all]

Certainly large dogs are allowed in NYC (LOL). Actually, NYC is very dog friendly, I belive. Jon's apartment may not allow them, however.

JMO

That's what i meant............gesh:sneaky:

[Justice4all]

I think it is easier for Jon to blame Kate about the dogs than face the fact that he left HIS dogs behind when he made a calculated decision to live in NYC. JMO

Actually they weren't HIS dogs. Kate wanted them and she wanted TWO at one time. I think she picked a wrong breed. But i agree it's just easier for him to blame Kate then grow a spin and accept responsibility.


MOO

[Justice4all]

EXCLUSIVE: The Questions Kate Gosselin Will Answer On TV

“Do you ever see yourself getting married again?”

And….

"What would you like to set the record straight on about the show?"

"Do you have any regrets renewing your vows in Hawaii?"

"Is there money put away for the kids' education that neither parent can touch?

Nearly 9,000 questions were submitted to Kate. The show airs on TLC Monday’s at 9pm ET/PT.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-questions-kate-gosselin-will-answer-tv

[daniel green]

I think it is easier for Jon to blame Kate about the dogs than face the fact that he left HIS dogs behind when he made a calculated decision to live in NYC. JMO

It really makes him look even more ridiculous and pathetic when he says silly things like to the pap in the video upthread about how mean ole Kate threw away the dog bowls and everything. :rolleyes:

[Mnchkin426]

Actually they weren't HIS dogs. Kate wanted them and she wanted TWO at one time. I think she picked a wrong breed. But i agree it's just easier for him to blame Kate then grow a spin and accept responsibility.


MOO

Take another look at the radaronline video. Jon refers to them as "MY dogs" at least twice. IMO, he always consider them to be his. IIRC, Kate said in the past that if they got a dog, she would like a small dog. My guess is that Jon choose the breed since GSDs are a pretty macho breed and Kate went along with it. I also think that the reason that they got two, a male and a female, is because Jon entertained the idea of breeding them....not necessarily to each other but one of each gave him breeding options. I think this idea was referred to by the breeder when he picked up the dogs.

JMO

[Mnchkin426]

Take another look at the radaronline video. Jon refers to them as "MY dogs" at least twice. IMO, he always consider them to be his. IIRC, Kate said in the past that if they got a dog, she would like a small dog. My guess is that Jon choose the breed since GSDs are a pretty macho breed and Kate went along with it. I also think that the reason that they got two, a male and a female, is because Jon entertained the idea of breeding them....not necessarily to each other but one of each gave him breeding options. I think this idea was referred to by the breeder when he picked up the dogs.

JMO

Oops....grammer failure....Choose should be chose.

[Justice4all]

Take another look at the radaronline video. Jon refers to them as "MY dogs" at least twice. IMO, he always consider them to be his. IIRC, Kate said in the past that if they got a dog, she would like a small dog. My guess is that Jon choose the breed since GSDs are a pretty macho breed and Kate went along with it. I also think that the reason that they got two, a male and a female, is because Jon entertained the idea of breeding them....not necessarily to each other but one of each gave him breeding options. I think this idea was referred to by the breeder when he picked up the dogs.

JMO

Jon lied when he said they were his dogs. and yes Kate wanted a small dog but her friends hubby was a retired cop that breeding GS's and she wanted protection at the new house.

MOO

[Justice4all]

It really makes him look even more ridiculous and pathetic when he says silly things like to the pap in the video upthread about how mean ole Kate threw away the dog bowls and everything. :rolleyes:

Yep ITA....

[Mnchkin426]

Jon lied when he said they were his dogs. and yes Kate wanted a small dog but her friends hubby was a retired cop that breeding GS's and she wanted protection at the new house.

MOO

Link, please? TIA.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Link, please? TIA.

JMO

Link to what? You want the episode they got the dogs?:rolleyes:

[Casecase]

Maybe he does take them places, but without a camera following them. We have no way of knowing. Who is TLC to determine how Jon should behave? TLC made an agreement with Jon and Kate that if EITHER of them felt they didn't want the children filmed they would cease. Jon has said he wants filming stopped, maybe for petty and selfish reasons but TLC agreed to that. They had to, how would it look otherwise. Maybe they never thought someone would walk away and now they see their little golden geese getting away from them and are trying to wring every last dollar out of them that they can. Does anyone here actually think , do Jon and Kate actually believe that TLC gives a crap about whether or not this show is good for the kids emotionally in the long run? I sincerely doubt it. The Heene family is just begging for a reality show, let them have a shot at it. They'll do anything for their fifteen minutes of fame and Mr. Heene doesn't look like he'd object to anything as long as his face is on the TV.

I'm pretty sure Jon couldn't take the kids anywhere without a camera following them, whether it would be by his choice or not.

IMO

[birdwatch]

Jon Gosselin wanted $12,000 to be on the MJ Morning Show

http://blogs.tampabay.com/juice/2009/10/jon-gosselin-wanted-12000-to-be-on-the-mj-morning-show.html

Do you think someone told him that is how much Kate gets? Do we know how much Kate, in fact, does charge for appearances?

About the dogs - I was afraid they would get a small dog - and the poor thing wouldn't stand a chance with so many young children. I was really afraid it would get hurt. But I can't imagine why Kate didn't do her homework; as organized and careful as she usually is. 2 German Shepherds was a really lousy decision. She could have consulted with a dog trainer - someone nearby who she was going to hire to help with dog training, anyway. - and picked a dog more suitable for kids - and with less shedding, lol

[Justice4all]

at 26 seconds ....Kate " i got my dogs bye"

and the kids wanted to name them but Kate said NO and she named them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cth9oB4XAqs


This video makes me almost want to cry...Jon and Kate sitting on the couch and laughing, smiling and joking....Why can't they go back to that?


Former State Police officer they know from church

First Kate never wanted one....then she said she found herself calling him wanting two

[Justice4all]

Kate looks like she has the weight of the world on her shoulders the past few days.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/kate-gosselin-shops

[daniel green]

Jon lied when he said they were his dogs. and yes Kate wanted a small dog but her friends hubby was a retired cop that breeding GS's and she wanted protection at the new house.

MOO

Please provide proof of those allegations.

TIA

[daniel green]

What a hoot. Jon taking those dogs to the park a couple of times a day with a pooper scooper? Right!!

Yep! What a hoot, indeed, ABC! :laugh:

[Justice4all]

Please provide proof of those allegations.

TIA

what allegations?

[daniel green]

what allegations?

Jon lied when he said they were his dogs. and yes Kate wanted a small dog but her friends hubby was a retired cop that breeding GS's and she wanted protection at the new house.

MOO

That "her friends hubby" was the breeder and that Kate wanted protection for the house.

[Justice4all]

That "her friends hubby" was the breeder and that Kate wanted protection for the house.

I already did. Did you watch the video and then watch part two?
kate talks about the name of the male dog and he's a protector and then talks about the man is a friend husband from church. The wife even come to visit them when they went to the organic farm that time. I'll have to try and find that video.

I was not saying anything bad about kate so you can relax....gesh

Book tour Kate even talked about the dogs and feeling safe.....Did she not talk about that when you saw her?

[Justice4all]

I might be wrong but weren't the dogs for the WHOLE family for Christmas?

[daniel green]

I already did. Did you watch the video and then watch part two?
kate talks about the name of the male dog and he's a protector and then talks about the man is a friend husband from church. snipped

I did watch the videos and it said nothing of the sort--that either the breeder was the husband of a friend nor that Kate wanted the dog for security at the new house.

[Justice4all]

What a hoot. Jon taking those dogs to the park a couple of times a day with a pooper scooper? Right!!

Why not? when they used to have the dogs he was always picking poop up with a pooper scooper

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/slideshows/puppies.html


Picture #10 - Cara looks on as Jon handles the pooper scooper.

[Justice4all]

I did watch the videos and it said nothing of the sort--that either the breeder was the husband of a friend nor that Kate wanted the dog for security at the new house.

wow....i've bought both of their books and been two book signings and kate talked about the dogs were great guard dogs each time.

and yes he's the husband of a friend of kates from church. She's also the lady that went with them to the hospital when they donated the music cds. I wish i could remember her name.

Maybe you can call kate and talk to her about it.

[Justice4all]

It’s probably not a stretch to say that the reason why the Gosselins got two German Shepherds (I say “got” because we know they didn’t purchase them.. speaking of which, I wonder how TLC feels about footing the bill for them now that they’re being given away?) is for protection. C’mon, they’re German Shepherds! They are there to protect and guard the family and the property – and to keep the paparazzi at bay, I’m sure.

http://avagacser.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/who-let-the-dogs-out-jon-gosselin-thats-who/


wow i didn't know that.

[Casecase]

Do you think someone told him that is how much Kate gets? Do we know how much Kate, in fact, does charge for appearances?

About the dogs - I was afraid they would get a small dog - and the poor thing wouldn't stand a chance with so many young children. I was really afraid it would get hurt. But I can't imagine why Kate didn't do her homework; as organized and careful as she usually is. 2 German Shepherds was a really lousy decision. She could have consulted with a dog trainer - someone nearby who she was going to hire to help with dog training, anyway. - and picked a dog more suitable for kids - and with less shedding, lol

Like a nice Labradoodle or Goldendoodle - big enough dog to be able to handle a bunch of kids, nice temperments, generally don't shed much.

IMO

[Mnchkin426]

wow....i've bought both of their books and been two book signings and kate talked about the dogs were great guard dogs each time.

and yes he's the husband of a friend of kates from church. She's also the lady that went with them to the hospital when they donated the music cds. I wish i could remember her name.

Maybe you can call kate and talk to her about it.

I watched both parts of the video. The breeder of the dogs was a security guard at a church where Jon and Kate had a speaking engagement. That's where they met. They were not friends prior to that. Jeff, the breeder, apparently filled Kate's ears with glowing reviews of GSDs.

As far as Kate's words at the 26 second mark, judging by her body language, I think she was goofing around for the camera.

Interesting how different people can watch and hear the same video and come away with completely different information.

JMO

[Mnchkin426]

Like a nice Labradoodle or Goldendoodle - big enough dog to be able to handle a bunch of kids, nice temperments, generally don't shed much.

IMO

Apparently Labradoodle and Goldendoodles aren't always as advertised.....especially the shedding part.

JMO

[Justice4all]

I watched both parts of the video. The breeder of the dogs was a security guard at a church where Jon and Kate had a speaking engagement. That's where they met. They were not friends prior to that. Jeff, the breeder, apparently filled Kate's ears with glowing reviews of GSDs.

As far as Kate's words at the 26 second mark, judging by her body language, I think she was goofing around for the camera.

Interesting how different people can watch and hear the same video and come away with completely different information.

JMO

yes he was a security guard at the church and retired cop. and Kate was the one that brought up getting the dogs. they were not just JON's dogs thats all i've been trying to say. Jon, Kate and all 8 babies wanted the dogs.

and IMO Kate seemed more excited then anyone...

I was not shocked though she wanted to gt rid of them as soon as Jon moved out. they were a lot of work and she said she was not a dog person.

I stand by my first story about he's the husband of a lady she knows. I've heard kate say it with her own mouth at a book signing. They have an autistic set of twins Kate said they become friends and that's why she spoke at that church.

I wish i could remember the ladies name. Her children were never on the show but she was. and Jon and Kate have donated a lot of time to Autism awareness.

MOO

[Mnchkin426]

Do you think someone told him that is how much Kate gets? Do we know how much Kate, in fact, does charge for appearances?

About the dogs - I was afraid they would get a small dog - and the poor thing wouldn't stand a chance with so many young children. I was really afraid it would get hurt. But I can't imagine why Kate didn't do her homework; as organized and careful as she usually is. 2 German Shepherds was a really lousy decision. She could have consulted with a dog trainer - someone nearby who she was going to hire to help with dog training, anyway. - and picked a dog more suitable for kids - and with less shedding, lol

I agree with you about the inappropriateness of a small dog.

I believe Kate did do her homework. Apparently she read up on GSDs and talked to the breeder. That is where one usually gets the best information. Trainers aren't necessarily the best source about breeds. They have their own prejudices. I ran into one who didn't like Golden Retrievers. Shocking to me since I find them to be super family/child .friendly..... lousy watch dogs, though.

Personally, I think the choice of 2 GSDs was fine. The problem may have been a lack of consistency with training.....not easy under the best of circumstances. It sounds like sending the dogs back to the breeder was intended as a way to get them better trained.

JMO

[Casecase]

Apparently Labradoodle and Goldendoodles aren't always as advertised.....especially the shedding part.

JMO

It depends - if they end up taking after the retriever part, they can end up doing more shedding. I've loved the Labradoodles I've met - adorable, nice temperaments, and I've known several who were trained as assistance dogs, too.

I don't think there are very many large dogs that are low to no shedding . . . maybe a standard poodle or a giant schnauzer?

IMO

[Casecase]

You have to either really be a dog person or a little crazy to take on two puppies at once. We volunteer for dog rescue groups and I've had more than my share of puppies in the house (the most ever was an overnight with 8 very active 8-week-old schnauzers). The chewing, the housebreaking, the training - it takes a lot of time, especially if the dogs don't catch on quickly. It's like having two more babies in the house. If I had 8 kids, I don't think I would have gotten 2 puppies. And if I had, I would definitely have taken them to puppy class and gotten them trained.


IMO

[Mnchkin426]

yes he was a security guard at the church and retired cop. and Kate was the one that brought up getting the dogs. they were not just JON's dogs thats all i've been trying to say. Jon, Kate and all 8 babies wanted the dogs.

and IMO Kate seemed more excited then anyone...

I was not shocked though she wanted to gt rid of them as soon as Jon moved out. they were a lot of work and she said she was not a dog person.

I stand by my first story about he's the husband of a lady she knows. I've heard kate say it with her own mouth at a book signing. They have an autistic set of twins Kate said they become friends and that's why she spoke at that church.

I wish i could remember the ladies name. Her children were never on the show but she was. and Jon and Kate have donated a lot of time to Autism awareness.

Yes, the dogs were intended for the entire family but it seems that Jon consider them to be his now.....by his very own words.

MOO


Yes, the dogs were intended for the entire family but it seems that Jon consider them to be his now.....by his very own words.

Perhaps the breeder and his wife became friends after the Gosselins purchased the dogs but Kate did not say in the video that they knew each other, or that she was friends with his wife, when the family visited the kennel. Those are my points.


JMO

[Mnchkin426]

It depends - if they end up taking after the retriever part, they can end up doing more shedding. I've loved the Labradoodles I've met - adorable, nice temperaments, and I've known several who were trained as assistance dogs, too.

I don't think there are very many large dogs that are low to no shedding . . . maybe a standard poodle or a giant schnauzer?

IMO

Not sure there are any that are totally non shedding but poodles are often considered to be the most hypoallergenic and probably shed the least. Don't know anything about schnauzers.
Golden Retrievers certainly don't qualify. LOL

[Justice4all]

Yes, the dogs were intended for the entire family but it seems that Jon consider them to be his now.....by his very own words.

Perhaps the breeder and his wife became friends after the Gosselins purchased the dogs but Kate did not say in the video that they knew each other, or that she was friends with his wife, when the family visited the kennel. Those are my points.


JMO

like i said in the beginning.............IMO Jon lied.

[Justice4all]

I believe Kate met the wife of the dog breeder when kate was babysitting a little girl that had Autism when her and Jon first got married. But i might be wrong..

MOO

[Justice4all]

Not sure there are any that are totally non shedding but poodles are often considered to be the most hypoallergenic and probably shed the least. Don't know anything about schnauzers.
Golden Retrievers certainly don't qualify. LOL

Shih Tzu are considered non-shedding but they some times don't like little ones pulling their ears. MOO

[Mnchkin426]

You have to either really be a dog person or a little crazy to take on two puppies at once. We volunteer for dog rescue groups and I've had more than my share of puppies in the house (the most ever was an overnight with 8 very active 8-week-old schnauzers). The chewing, the housebreaking, the training - it takes a lot of time, especially if the dogs don't catch on quickly. It's like having two more babies in the house. If I had 8 kids, I don't think I would have gotten 2 puppies. And if I had, I would definitely have taken them to puppy class and gotten them trained.


IMO

Not sure I would have gotten two either but I don't think it was the breed that was the problem.....just the difficulties of a combination of 8 kids and puppies that needed more training. Even going to puppy kindergarten would have meant spending time training outside of class. Sending them back to the breeder for training may have been a good plan. We've had several friends who just didn't have the knack for training their puppy and sent them off to "Camp" for two or three months. Seemed to work well.

We've done volunteer work with a cat rescue group....no where near as difficult as puppies but have spent a lot of time trying to encourage a scared kitty to come out from under the bed. Pets do take work.

JMO

[Mnchkin426]

like i said in the beginning.............IMO Jon lied.

Sorry, don't see where he lied. Seems like a stretch to me.

JMO

[Casecase]

Shih Tzu are considered non-shedding but they some times don't like little ones pulling their ears. MOO

Shih Tzu, Maltese, Yorkie - those are all non-shedders but are little dogs and don't necessarily put up with a bunch of rambunctious kids.

IMO

[daniel green]

wow....i've bought both of their books and been two book signings and kate talked about the dogs were great guard dogs each time.

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Be that as it may, your allegations that 1) the dogs came from Kate's friend's husband and that, 2) Kate wanted them for security at the new house are just wrong.

And the video you provided as proof showed no such thing.

[daniel green]

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I think they did pay for the dogs cause I saw Kate write the check to the breeder on the show.

You are right about that, ABC. They did pay for the dogs.

[daniel green]

Like a nice Labradoodle or Goldendoodle - big enough dog to be able to handle a bunch of kids, nice temperments, generally don't shed much.

IMO

They are difficult dogs, and not for the first time dog-owner. OR small kids.

We absolutely LOVE Doodles and have fostered two of them and though they don't shed, they are high-energy dogs that are very strong and need TONS of exercise and training.

[Justice4all]

Be that as it may, your allegations that 1) the dogs came from Kate's friend's husband and that, 2) Kate wanted them for security at the new house are just wrong.

And the video you provided as proof showed no such thing.

It doesn't matter what i say or do DG you think it's wrong. and honestly at this point i could careless...