Caylee 10/19

[Neffy]

More from Ashton/Cindy on child support ...

Ashton: Did you and George ever discuss the possibility of Casey pursuing support from the father?

Cindy: No. We never did. We didn't want that. None of us did. The three of us decided we didn't want anybody to have that.

Ashton: To have what?

Cindy: To have a relationship with Caylee.

:angry:


This was really unnerving. It shows Cindy's control issues.

[CelticDawn]

More from Ashton/Cindy on child support ...

Ashton: Did you and George ever discuss the possibility of Casey pursuing support from the father?

Cindy: No. We never did. We didn't want that. None of us did. The three of us decided we didn't want anybody to have that.

Ashton: To have what?

Cindy: To have a relationship with Caylee.

:angry:



If they didn't know who the father of caylee was.......how did they know that they didn't want "him" to have a relationship with Caylee???



I just don't get these people.

[grammaw]

I agree with you. that he is alive. Casey is a liar. end of story. cindy is a liar. end of story. IMO the bio dad was informed it was not his child because (pick a LIE LIE LIE ) and he walked away (probably felt relieved, perhaps, due to age, didnt tell his parents etc). Im hoping he steps up and tells his story.

thank gawd J Grund received sound advice and obtained a paternity test, although counting the months would have sufficed, lol. she was pregnant when she started messing around with him.

Cindy and her claims that Casey was still having a monthly? she is a liar. although it can happen, I still consider her a liar because that is her forte...lie to ABSOLVE HERSELF FROM POSSESSING KNOWLEGE that would ruin HER PERCEPTION OF HERSELF. (mirror image)

she wasnt about to share this newborn with another family...she would have no control over another set of grandparents. its all about control.

this entire family scares the heck out of me.

I am looking forward to the day, perhaps when they walk out of the courtroom after she is convicted....on that day they are served with lawsuits. PLURAL. *have a nice day*

or better yet, seeing them arrested, fined, for perjury THEN slammed with lawsuits.

I feel that WILL happen.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Pru,I see(uh)that little "lite thing"after your sig line,isn't it true that "maggot" evidence can actually tell the time of death?I do watch forensic sites,and I've always seen where they did?

[kelloggirl]

I really don't know what to be outraged at over any more, I really don't. But I continue to conduct these fantasy interviews in my head where the Anthony's are forced to answer basic questions about their slanderous accusations against everyone else. The one playing in my head right now is:

Me: So, according to you, Amy, Jesse, and Ricardo are all lying, excuse me, I mean telling mis-truths?

CA: Yes.

Me: Are you aware that they all voluntarily took, and passed extensive lie detector tests clearing them from any involvement in Caylee's disappearance?

CA: Uh, like, well, I haven't seen official results so...

Me (Interrupting): Did you and your family refuse to take lie detector tests to help solve the disappearance and murder of your allegedly precious grandaughter?

CA: Well, we never were ask- I mean, we uh, our lawyer-

Me (Interrupting): Yes or no, answer the question.

CA: Yes.

Me: I have no further questions.

P.S. Panokatana, you have really been bringing the hilarity all day with your much welcome witticisms. Making me laugh is keeping me from crying at the horridness of these "people".

P.P.S. SayItAgain, thanks for extracting the nuggets from Cindy's depo. I am recovering from surgery and reading it through is good for my recovery health, as it will make my blood boil and leak from my wounds.

[Postergeist]

I don't know, Spots. I think he was going after Caylee's dexterity specifically vs. what surfaces she touched.

I thought they might use this in the premeditation argument. I don't know how ... but the fact Caylee could do those things is important, somehow.

hmm, perhaps they do have fingerprints of Caylee's somewhere inside the trunk?

When you mention surfaces Caylee may have touched-

has any forensics been released on the trunk that pertains to prints?

What about prints on the gas cans, any found?

I recall in George's depo he was asked if she could tie her own shoes, use buttons, zippers, velcro, dress herself.

You may be onto something Imp!

imo

[Bala]

hmm, perhaps they do have fingerprints of Caylee's somewhere inside the trunk?

When you mention surfaces Caylee may have touched-

has any forensics been released on the trunk that pertains to prints?

What about prints on the gas cans, any found?

I recall in George's depo he was asked if she could tie her own shoes, use buttons, zippers, velcro, dress herself.

You may be onto something Imp!

imo
Didn't Cindy and George do a really good clean-up job in the trunk trying to get rid of the smell of decomp.

[Pruddennce]

Ok no one warned me the word "abosutely" would come up so quick in Lee's depo. Ugh.

used the word a total of SIXTY-TWO TIMES......

I enjoy seeing the legend at the bottom of the depo regarding the WORDS used....

127 instances of LAUGHING....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[grammaw]

used the word a total of SIXTY-TWO TIMES......

I enjoy seeing the legend at the bottom of the depo regarding the WORDS used....

127 instances of LAUGHING....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

uh,Pru,Did you see my question to you?If you know,I mean

[panokatana]

This was really unnerving. It shows Cindy's control issues.

For some reason, I just don't think Casey knew who the father was...maybe it was some kid on vacation...one night stand, first names only... maybe he still hasn't put two and two together (regarding Casey) and has no earthly idea the kiosk girl...is...the same girl in the news. I know a few twenty something young men who have no knowledge of this case. A few beers between them and she probably looked just like any other toofy devil in a blue dress.
She really had a chance, if life was so bad with Cindy and the gang...to chameleon into the Grund home...even if she knew it would be short term... then...she could get (divorced) support, babysitting...and go on with her life... It's a bad thing to do, yes...but it's not ... murder.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Anyone else here okay with your child giving someone you've never met a key to your house?:rolleyes:

Casey said, she told me, that she gave Zanny a key while she was sitting Caylee. She told me that Zanny came to my house, when nobody was home. Yeah, Right!!

[grammaw]

Anyone else here okay with your child giving someone you've never met a key to your house?:rolleyes:

Casey said, she told me, that she gave Zanny a key while she was sitting Caylee. She told me that Zanny came to my house, when nobody was home. Yeah, Right!!

Ain't NoWay!

[Postergeist]

My thought is it could be the absence of evidence of Caylee's dexterity that could point to premeditation. In other words, Casey fixed her good, so that there was no way her normally dexterous 2 year-old could escape whatever horror Casey put her through in her final moments.

:angry: :angry: :angry:

ah- do you think there was more found with the remains or scattered in the woods that they can tie to the home or to Caylee because of decomp fluids? Meaning- was there other strips of duct tape found or some sort of ties, rope, cloth if her feet and hands were bound, or that she would not have been able to pull off the the tape around her mouth, nose, face and head if her hands were free?

Terrible thought (well, it's all terrible) but maybe they found something with the garbage bags- that showed stress or struggle- that she was placed inside one of the garbage bags while still alive, and either did or did not tear thru the bags or was unable to get the tape off to allow her to breathe.

[Postergeist]

Didn't Cindy and George do a really good clean-up job in the trunk trying to get rid of the smell of decomp.

I'm sure they did their utmost best to try to remove the smell and stains, however, not sure if they would completely wipe down surfaces that would be above or to the side, etc. I'd think they concentrated more on the floor of the trunk liner where the stain was visible.

But maybe LE dusted, etc. wiring, cables and so forth from every angle in the trunk. I don't think all the FBI results have been released yet.

[Pruddennce]

Pru,I see(uh)that little "lite thing"after your sig line,isn't it true that "maggot" evidence can actually tell the time of death?I do watch forensic sites,and I've always seen where they did?

hi grammaw, yes they can, but the body was no longer in the trunk..... when it was removed can only be estimated...of course prior to June 27 or even on June 27th. the more I think about it: since those insects were alive, flies were present AND maggots, its my opinion she was removed a day or two before the car was abandoned.

Casey didnt clean out the trunk. she left it with the stain and the insect activity. those flies were active. and the maggots were still feeding.

Im more interested in the DNA, if any, that was retrieved from the maggots. the maggots were feeding on SOMETHING...... and of course they can tell the lifecyle of the maggots and the flies.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[denjet]

I'm pretty sure Mallory was just deposed or will be very soon. I'm thinking they were around the same time.

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet but Dominic and Mallory depositions are Nov 12th :wink:

[grammaw]

ah- do you think there was more found with the remains or scattered in the woods that they can tie to the home or to Caylee because of decomp fluids? Meaning- was there other strips of duct tape found or some sort of ties, rope, cloth if her feet and hands were bound, or that she would not have been able to pull off the the tape around her mouth, nose, face and head if her hands were free?

Terrible thought (well, it's all terrible) but maybe they found something with the garbage bags- that showed stress or struggle- that she was placed inside one of the garbage bags while still alive, and either did or did not tear thru the bags or was unable to get the tape off to allow her to breathe.

ya know,we can only hope that these forensics experts know more about this evidence by looking at it with their equipment than the average joe,but I sure do wish that policeman in August would have really looked,their azz would probably be grass if that had have happened,the elements did a heck of a job,plus animals.At least I think the earlier,the better it might have been.

[Bala]

More from Ashton/Cindy on child support ...

Ashton: Did you and George ever discuss the possibility of Casey pursuing support from the father?

Cindy: No. We never did. We didn't want that. None of us did. The three of us decided we didn't want anybody to have that.

Ashton: To have what?

Cindy: To have a relationship with Caylee.

:angry:
So the three of them decided Caylee didn't need a father. How nice of them. I'm sure Caylee would have felt different about it had she gotten the chance to grow up and wonder who her father was and why he wasn't in her life. We all know that the three of them really means her.
She made the decision that Caylee didn't need a father after all she had her.

[farrahrani]

hmm, perhaps they do have fingerprints of Caylee's somewhere inside the trunk?

When you mention surfaces Caylee may have touched-

has any forensics been released on the trunk that pertains to prints?

What about prints on the gas cans, any found?

I recall in George's depo he was asked if she could tie her own shoes, use buttons, zippers, velcro, dress herself.

You may be onto something Imp!

imo

That put a chill down my spine just now.

And as far as the reply about the car being cleaned...I doubt it would have occurred to anyone to wipe the inside of the trunk lid. :crying:

[grammaw]

hi grammaw, yes they can, but the body was no longer in the trunk..... when it was removed can only be estimated...of course prior to June 27 or even on June 27th. the more I think about it: since those insects were alive, flies were present AND maggots, its my opinion she was removed a day or two before the car was abandoned.

Casey didnt clean out the trunk. she left it with the stain and the insect activity. those flies were active. and the maggots were still feeding.

Im more interested in the DNA, if any, that was retrieved from the maggots. the maggots were feeding on SOMETHING...... and of course they can tell the lifecyle of the maggots and the flies.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Great,thanks for that imput,I've thought about that a whole lot to be able to get an exxact date.

[Postergeist]

speaking of maggots Pru, today I mentioned to my dad about George's depo, and how he "heard" the sound of the maggots. Also brought up how George was recalling the smell in the trunk in his FBI interview and how he got physically ill. My dad said that it's basically impossible for the brain to conjure up a smell, ie- you can say you enjoy the smell of roses but wouldn't be able to 'smell' the rose without having one near you.

He thought George's physical reaction would be due to guilt, having some sort of knowledge or hand in the act.

imo

[Postergeist]

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet but Dominic and Mallory depositions are Nov 12th :wink:

TY denjet- if it's not on the Link thread, it'd be a good idea to put it there, as many don't read back on threads if they come in late or the next day.

[panokatana]

I really don't know what to be outraged at over any more, I really don't. But I continue to conduct these fantasy interviews in my head where the Anthony's are forced to answer basic questions about their slanderous accusations against everyone else. The one playing in my head right now is:

Me: So, according to you, Amy, Jesse, and Ricardo are all lying, excuse me, I mean telling mis-truths?

CA: Yes.

Me: Are you aware that they all voluntarily took, and passed extensive lie detector tests clearing them from any involvement in Caylee's disappearance?

CA: Uh, like, well, I haven't seen official results so...

Me (Interrupting): Did you and your family refuse to take lie detector tests to help solve the disappearance and murder of your allegedly precious grandaughter?

CA: Well, we never were ask- I mean, we uh, our lawyer-

Me (Interrupting): Yes or no, answer the question.

CA: Yes.

Me: I have no further questions.

P.S. Panokatana, you have really been bringing the hilarity all day with your much welcome witticisms. Making me laugh is keeping me from crying at the horridness of these "people".

P.P.S. SayItAgain, thanks for extracting the nuggets from Cindy's depo. I am recovering from surgery and reading it through is good for my recovery health, as it will make my blood boil and leak from my wounds.

Glad to hear you're recovering nicely, Kell! Good to know we're helping with that recovery! Honestly, these people...we don't have to make up any of the craziness...they do it themselves! :)
(You would probably laugh at my visual, as I've had a headache for days...so it's almost 11 my time, and I am sitting here with my sunglasses (albeit not big white ones) on to fight the screen glare, my shabby robe...hanging on every word you guys are reporting...) Headache/sleep or IS. Not even a tossup...IS wins! I have been here every day since the beginning (when I heard that voice on Nancy Grace - some girl was being an obnoxious bully to her mother...and had no concern about her missing daughter)...it was beyond anything I had ever seen regarding a normal reaction to what was happening)... reading...but rarely post... I think the cruise thing, along with the head, just set me off. Apparently, this is some sort of head affliction that makes one type in rhyme and overflow with sarcasm. I sort of like that part. ;)
Kell...keep those little fantasy dialogues... one day there may be a market for Greedy, Selfish Liars: The Musical...and you will have the script.

JMO

[kakax]

I agree with you. that he is alive. Casey is a liar. end of story. cindy is a liar. end of story. IMO the bio dad was informed it was not his child because (pick a LIE LIE LIE ) and he walked away (probably felt relieved, perhaps, due to age, didnt tell his parents etc). Im hoping he steps up and tells his story.

thank gawd J Grund received sound advice and obtained a paternity test, although counting the months would have sufficed, lol. she was pregnant when she started messing around with him.

Cindy and her claims that Casey was still having a monthly? she is a liar. although it can happen, I still consider her a liar because that is her forte...lie to ABSOLVE HERSELF FROM POSSESSING KNOWLEGE that would ruin HER PERCEPTION OF HERSELF. (mirror image)

she wasnt about to share this newborn with another family...she would have no control over another set of grandparents. its all about control.

this entire family scares the heck out of me.

I am looking forward to the day, perhaps when they walk out of the courtroom after she is convicted....on that day they are served with lawsuits. PLURAL. *have a nice day*

or better yet, seeing them arrested, fined, for perjury THEN slammed with lawsuits.

I feel that WILL happen.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


The more I read these depos...I really do think both of those things will happen.


And about her monthlies...Lee talks about the miscarriage and believes she was pregnant with Brandon's baby and miscarried. He says that the reason he believes her is because there was no other reason for Casey to wake up and there be blood. Huh? Does he know what a period is?

Rocket Scientists these people are NOT.

[grammaw]

Well,Goodnite all,I'm pooped,first watching the Latalvis Davis trial and getting pizzed off(Again)at the Anthony's,co Im calling it a day.Nice talking to :seeya:you all and enjoying this forum alot:seeya::sleep:

[Postergeist]

That put a chill down my spine just now.

And as far as the reply about the car being cleaned...I doubt it would have occurred to anyone to wipe the inside of the trunk lid. :crying:

I know, it always bothers me to type along those lines, but I recently did a thorough job of cleaning out my frig last week. Now unlike Cindy, who admitted that her refrigerator has at times smelled like something "died" in there, like what she smelled in her daughter's trunk, "full of rotting garbage, a rotting pizza" my frig didn't have those odors at all. But I made an effort to clean all surfaces, top, bottom, sides, ceiling- pulled out everything that could be pulled out, and used a toothbrush on all seams, crevices, corners and tiny areas.

However, they did have that car in their possession at their home for several hours before the police were notified of anything.

imo

[kakax]

Pru,I see(uh)that little "lite thing"after your sig line,isn't it true that "maggot" evidence can actually tell the time of death?I do watch forensic sites,and I've always seen where they did?

I haven't read forward so I don't know what has been written about this. Yes, maggots or blow flies from a crime scene can be used to tell the time frame of the death. What they do is they take the actual insect/larvae or whatever they have. If they were able to get the blow flies they would put the them in a container and watch their life cycle. I'm thinking that since it was a month since the murder...there would have been a few cycles and could complicate it.

[summer4meplz]

I'm finally getting around to reading the depos...starting with george...I'm extremely surprised that he has a bachelor's degree and that he used to work undercover in the drug division....i'm only on page 28...zzzzzz

[velvetbrown]

hi grammaw, yes they can, but the body was no longer in the trunk..... when it was removed can only be estimated...of course prior to June 27 or even on June 27th. the more I think about it: since those insects were alive, flies were present AND maggots, its my opinion she was removed a day or two before the car was abandoned.

Casey didnt clean out the trunk. she left it with the stain and the insect activity. those flies were active. and the maggots were still feeding.

Im more interested in the DNA, if any, that was retrieved from the maggots. the maggots were feeding on SOMETHING...... and of course they can tell the lifecyle of the maggots and the flies.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Gosh, Pru...you are SCAREY smart! I love how your mind works...

[kakax]

My thought is it could be the absence of evidence of Caylee's dexterity that could point to premeditation. In other words, Casey fixed her good, so that there was no way her normally dexterous 2 year-old could escape whatever horror Casey put her through in her final moments.

:angry: :angry:



Oh Lordy. You may be right. :sad:

[denjet]

Didn't Cindy and George do a really good clean-up job in the trunk trying to get rid of the smell of decomp.
They sure did give it their best effort ... but you never get everything ... the trunk was amazingly clean for a trunk that had trash and so many maggots they made a loud crunching noise (per George) ... makes me think the first thing that was done to that trunk was it was sprayed down with insecticide (LE took insect sprayers from their home), then it was probably vacuumed, then steam cleaned ... (LE took those too) they may have even gone over it with a lint roller .... but did they wipe down the underside of the trunk hood ?? were there fingerprints, palm prints or anything indicating Caylee was in that trunk trying to get out? JMO it's where my mind's been wondering after reading those depositions ... just a lot of questions that were asked that are making me wonder ... :confused:

[kakax]

I know, it always bothers me to type along those lines, but I recently did a thorough job of cleaning out my frig last week. Now unlike Cindy, who admitted that her refrigerator has at times smelled like something "died" in there, like what she smelled in her daughter's trunk, "full of rotting garbage, a rotting pizza" my frig didn't have those odors at all. But I made an effort to clean all surfaces, top, bottom, sides, ceiling- pulled out everything that could be pulled out, and used a toothbrush on all seams, crevices, corners and tiny areas.

However, they did have that car in their possession at their home for several hours before the police were notified of anything.

imo



I think something may have died in mine. Are you available to deep clean? LOL :tonguewag:

[Postergeist]

Well,Goodnite all,I'm pooped,first watching the Latalvis Davis trial and getting pizzed off(Again)at the Anthony's,co Im calling it a day.Nice talking to :seeya:you all and enjoying this forum alot:seeya::sleep:

nitey grammaw, I'll head out with ya, already tired. Wanted to say that I hope PK's headache gets better soon and KG has a speedy recovery- and good health wishes to anyone else I might've missed.

Glad I did log on tonite tho- or else I would've missed out on the cruise news! *thud*

pleasant dreams all~

Postie

[grammaw]

I'm finally getting around to reading the depos...starting with george...I'm extremely surprised that he has a bachelor's degree and that he used to work undercover in the drug division....i'm only on page 28...zzzzzz

One more thing about that depo,since I was born and raised in Warren,ohio(actually,Leavittsburg,the smaller town)George mentioned working on a homicide in Leavittsburg of a well-to-do family,I'm still racking my brain about who that family was,since everybody knew everybody in that town,small as it was.

[Bala]

That put a chill down my spine just now.

And as far as the reply about the car being cleaned...I doubt it would have occurred to anyone to wipe the inside of the trunk lid. :crying:
Oh I never even thought about the trunk lid. Maybe Cindy and George didn't either. But if Caylee was tied up to stop her from removing the duct tape she wouldn't have been able to leave finger prints.

[kakax]

Glad to hear you're recovering nicely, Kell! Good to know we're helping with that recovery! Honestly, these people...we don't have to make up any of the craziness...they do it themselves! :)
(You would probably laugh at my visual, as I've had a headache for days...so it's almost 11 my time, and I am sitting here with my sunglasses (albeit not big white ones) on to fight the screen glare, my shabby robe...hanging on every word you guys are reporting...) Headache/sleep or IS. Not even a tossup...IS wins! I have been here every day since the beginning (when I heard that voice on Nancy Grace - some girl was being an obnoxious bully to her mother...and had no concern about her missing daughter)...it was beyond anything I had ever seen regarding a normal reaction to what was happening)... reading...but rarely post... I think the cruise thing, along with the head, just set me off. Apparently, this is some sort of head affliction that makes one type in rhyme and overflow with sarcasm. I sort of like that part. ;)
Kell...keep those little fantasy dialogues... one day there may be a market for Greedy, Selfish Liars: The Musical...and you will have the script.

JMO



You have got to keep posting. You crack me up rofl! Hope your headache gets better! I love the visual of you with the sunglasses on LOL!

Still on Lee's depo. Not even sure I'm halfway through yet. Getting very sick of reading. George's didn't hold my interest very well. Cindy's was an easier read just because she didn't say you know every other word.

And I saw that there was no video, just audio so we will never have to watch Cindy's depo. I'm very thankful for that.

[panokatana]

I'm finally getting around to reading the depos...starting with george...I'm extremely surprised that he has a bachelor's degree and that he used to work undercover in the drug division....i'm only on page 28...zzzzzz

From a real college? I haven't "seen the paperwork" (to use a Cindyism) so I'm not sure that degree exists. Did it say if he attained this degree right after high school, or if he attended later in life? I don't suppose it says where? Fascinating...I dont know why...but it intrigues me!
I wonder if Cindy also has a bachelor's degree, or a nursing certificate instead, and when she attended. Anyone know if she was a nurse in Ohio before they relocated? (I'm guessing, if we ask her...it is from an Ivy League school.)

JMO

[Daffodil]

Oooh ... wonder why he asked THIS question?

Ashton: You talked about Caylee being able to get her own breakfast, open the fridge, operate the TV.

Cindy: Uh huh.

Ashton: Did you have a VCR or a DVD player?

Cindy: Yes. She could do the DVD and VCR as well.

Ashton: So she was able -- she had the dexterity to --

Cindy: Oh, absolutely.

Now what was the reason for Ashton's follow-up question about Caylee's dexterity, I wonder? He wasn't asking full lines of questions, he was just following up on things Linda had asked earlier. He wanted to make a point, imo, about Caylee's dexterity.

This MUST have something to do with evidence they have of cause or manner of death, imo.


I hate to say this but he was probably inquiring about her dexterity/fine motor skills to prove that she may have tried and tried and tried to rip the duct tape off??? Goes to show more aggrevation? I hate to write that or think it. It is just my wild guess or opinion.

[Bala]

One more thing about that depo,since I was born and raised in Warren,ohio(actually,Leavittsburg,the smaller town)George mentioned working on a homicide in Leavittsburg of a well-to-do family,I'm still racking my brain about who that family was,since everybody knew everybody in that town,small as it was.
I've always believed George blames Cindy for forcing him to leave the police force and feels she ruined his life. I think that's why he never really worked after that. I think the resentment runs strong in that family.

[Pruddennce]

speaking of maggots Pru, today I mentioned to my dad about George's depo, and how he "heard" the sound of the maggots. Also brought up how George was recalling the smell in the trunk in his FBI interview and how he got physically ill. My dad said that it's basically impossible for the brain to conjure up a smell, ie- you can say you enjoy the smell of roses but wouldn't be able to 'smell' the rose without having one near you.

He thought George's physical reaction would be due to guilt, having some sort of knowledge or hand in the act.

imo

smart dad :D

sure, its all association.

George knew what he was smelling. it was death. no body? Casey was alive and well and tapping on her laptop. Caylee was nowhere to be found.

how do these people reconcile the fact that she was out getting a tattoo, had planned ANOTHER ONE that upcoming saturday, was all over town having a fab time.....and still come up with excuses?

its actually very insane behaviour.......to provide the answers they provide in their depo and spoken previously to the press! behaving like imbeciles...making up stories to cover up bad acts. when the facts are all 'out here' via the Sunshine law. all of their inconsistencies are laid out....its not a difficult task comparing their statements against their prior words and between the 3 of them.....

one fact: ....SHE NEVER REPORTED HER MISSING. and wasnt gearing up to either. her next appt was with a tattoo artist.

the jury is going to be gasping after that one fact and then gagging after listening to the Anthonys. possibly even frightened by their arrogance and deliberate deception.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[kakax]

used the word a total of SIXTY-TWO TIMES......

I enjoy seeing the legend at the bottom of the depo regarding the WORDS used....

127 instances of LAUGHING....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


I don't even want to look. I'm not even halfway through. This is tough, you know, reading, like, you know, I have to, like, take a break, you know.

[denjet]

I know, it always bothers me to type along those lines, but I recently did a thorough job of cleaning out my frig last week. Now unlike Cindy, who admitted that her refrigerator has at times smelled like something "died" in there, like what she smelled in her daughter's trunk, "full of rotting garbage, a rotting pizza" my frig didn't have those odors at all. But I made an effort to clean all surfaces, top, bottom, sides, ceiling- pulled out everything that could be pulled out, and used a toothbrush on all seams, crevices, corners and tiny areas.

However, they did have that car in their possession at their home for several hours before the police were notified of anything.

imo

Yes they did Posti! and wasn't it there overnight? ... I think that Cindy did clean it initially but there may have been more cleaning overnight ... I think she also took the car seat cover off cleaned it and put it back on along with cleaning "mama" ... Cindy was questioned about both, maybe the car seat cover and doll didn't smell as bad as it should have like the rest of the upholstery when LE took it ... there was also a dryer sheet on the back seat which I thought Cindy may have overlooked in a rush to get the cover back on the car seat .... Just my own wondering thoughts ...

[Daffodil]

I noticed that as well panokatana-

and also noted that yes, George is capable of wearing long pants as well!

Mind you, never in the courtroom, or for any of the hearings, legal proceedings, etc.

but upon debarking from the cruise ship, yes, he and his wife are both wearing long pants/jeans.

Wonder if it was nippy that day?

Who knew that having a murdered grandchild and an adult child locked up in jail would be so profitable and so...cathartic if you will, that one feels up for a cruise.

imo



How does everyone know about the cruise? Can you provide me with a link to the pictures please. Thanks.

[Bala]

From a real college? I haven't "seen the paperwork" (to use a Cindyism) so I'm not sure that degree exists. Did it say if he attained this degree right after high school, or if he attended later in life? I don't suppose it says where? Fascinating...I dont know why...but it intrigues me!
I wonder if Cindy also has a bachelor's degree, or a nursing certificate instead, and when she attended. Anyone know if she was a nurse in Ohio before they relocated? (I'm guessing, if we ask her...it is from an Ivy League school.)

JMO
Yes she says so in her depo. I believe she said she was a pediatric nurse in Ohio. Go figure.

[msgatorslayer]

They sure did give it their best effort ... but you never get everything ... the trunk was amazingly clean for a trunk that had trash and so many maggots they made a loud crunching noise (per George) ...
makes me think the first thing that was done to that trunk was it was sprayed down with insecticide (LE took insect sprayers from their home), then it was probably vacuumed, then steam cleaned ... (LE took those too)
they may have even gone over it with a lint roller .... but did they wipe down the underside of the trunk hood ?? were there fingerprints, palm prints or anything indicating Caylee was in that trunk trying to get out? JMO it's where my mind's been wondering after reading those depositions ... just a lot of questions that were asked that are making me wonder ... :confused:

WOW, I forgot all about the insect sprayers they took.

I remember back in the day, I suspected that maybe Casey had used it to spray the maggots. But after George's depo description of all the maggots and the 'sound' they were making, OMG!!

Spot on, I say!! I bet you're right about how the Anthony's cleaned that trunk.barf

[Pruddennce]

I hate to say this but he was probably inquiring about her dexterity/fine motor skills to prove that she may have tried and tried and tried to rip the duct tape off??? Goes to show more aggrevation? I hate to write that or think it. It is just my wild guess or opinion.

didnt they find another piece of loose tape in the crime scene?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[kakax]

From a real college? I haven't "seen the paperwork" (to use a Cindyism) so I'm not sure that degree exists. Did it say if he attained this degree right after high school, or if he attended later in life? I don't suppose it says where? Fascinating...I dont know why...but it intrigues me!
I wonder if Cindy also has a bachelor's degree, or a nursing certificate instead, and when she attended. Anyone know if she was a nurse in Ohio before they relocated? (I'm guessing, if we ask her...it is from an Ivy League school.)

JMO

He said it took him about 5 1/2 years to get a 4 year degree. Thats what I recall anyway.

[Bala]

Cindy is a nurse and George was a cop they both may know exactly what to use to clean up decomp.

[kakax]

Yes they did Posti! and wasn't it there overnight? ... I think that Cindy did clean it initially but there may have been more cleaning overnight ... I think she also took the car seat cover off cleaned it and put it back on along with cleaning "mama" ... Cindy was questioned about both, maybe the car seat cover and doll didn't smell as bad as it should have like the rest of the upholstery when LE took it ... there was also a dryer sheet on the back seat which I thought Cindy may have overlooked in a rush to get the cover back on the car seat .... Just my own wondering thoughts ...


Interesting point about the dryer sheet. Wonder if it was an already used one. I didn't look at the pictures that closely.

[Pruddennce]

I don't even want to look. I'm not even halfway through. This is tough, you know, reading, like, you know, I have to, like, take a break, you know.

well, K...I skipped ahead to the word list..LOL!

I havent read his yet, and Im leaning toward passing on it. one more liar...Im not sure Im up to the task either....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Pruddennce]

Cindy is a nurse and George was a cop they both may know exactly what to use to clean up decomp.

well, it didnt work, whatever they used...the stain remained, although not as pronounced, and the smell didnt quit.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[denjet]

How does everyone know about the cruise? Can you provide me with a link to the pictures please. Thanks.

Anthonys Take Cruise After Big Payout For TV Interview (http://www.wftv.com/news/21338069/detail.html)
Make sure you check out the images ... Cindy was NOT happy to be caught on camera this time !:thumbsup:

[msgatorslayer]

He said it took him about 5 1/2 years to get a 4 year degree. Thats what I recall anyway.

Correct! I remember that detail.

[BettyC]

How does everyone know about the cruise? Can you provide me with a link to the pictures please. Thanks.

Here's one Daffodil -

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/19/anthonys_take_cruise_while_daughter_is_in_jail.htm l

and another:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/#

[panokatana]

Yes she says so in her depo. I believe she said she was a pediatric nurse in Ohio. Go figure.

But Cindy saying she was a pediatric nurse...could be CindyCode for...she worked in a day care and once put a Bandaid on a child.
Who knew...they were "educated". I would absolutely like to, you know, see George's English term papers, you know, from the college he went at. (He likes to, uhm, you know, end sentences with a preposition, you know.) If you ask me he seems 'half a credit short' of a Bachelor's Degree. (That's PanoCode for...stupid.)

JMO

[denjet]

didnt they find another piece of loose tape in the crime scene?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*
Yes there was Pru ... I've wondered if there was tape around Caylee's wrist to keep her from taking the tape off her mouth ... It's one thing that's bothered me about whether she was awake/conscious or not ...
:sad:

[msgatorslayer]

Yes they did Posti! and wasn't it there overnight? ... I think that Cindy did clean it initially but there may have been more cleaning overnight ... I think she also took the car seat cover off cleaned it and put it back on along with cleaning "mama" ... Cindy was questioned about both, maybe the car seat cover and doll didn't smell as bad as it should have like the rest of the upholstery when LE took it ... there was also a dryer sheet on the back seat which I thought Cindy may have overlooked in a rush to get the cover back on the car seat .... Just my own wondering thoughts ...

:closedeyes: Actually, if you go by Cindy's timeline, she has the car sitting there for like 3 days. She was trying to give it to LE but they wouldn't take it.

Good idea about the dryer sheet.

[panokatana]

Correct! I remember that detail.

Somehow I can't see him forking out tuition money. I imagine he applied for funding... Sorry if I missed this...but was he a kid when he went or was he with Cindy? Did I read somewhere, and this could be delirium...that he was married before Cindy? Anyone recall that, or should I just take off the sunglasses for good and go to bed?

JMO

[denjet]

But Cindy saying she was a pediatric nurse...could be CindyCode for...she worked in a day care and once put a Bandaid on a child.
Who knew...they were "educated". I would absolutely like to, you know, see George's English term papers, you know, from the college he went at. (He likes to, uhm, you know, end sentences with a preposition, you know.) If you ask me he seems 'half a credit short' of a Bachelor's Degree. (That's PanoCode for...stupid.)

JMO
:lol: LMAO ... Panok, good one! :thumbsup:

[nana6]

It has been years now and still I wonder how in the world C and G went thru all of the motions they did. Why, when they found the car and smelled that car did they not react like all of us would have? Horrified. It seems right from the start they went into Casey protection mode instead of Caylee justice mode. I have often thought that maybe I could see one person in a family trying to cover up but not the entire family. What does it say about an entire families personality who gather around a suspected murderer and not gather for a precious child?

[msgatorslayer]

But Cindy saying she was a pediatric nurse...could be CindyCode for...she worked in a day care and once put a Bandaid on a child.
Who knew...they were "educated". I would absolutely like to, you know, see George's English term papers, you know, from the college he went at. (He likes to, uhm, you know, end sentences with a preposition, you know.) If you ask me he seems 'half a credit short' of a Bachelor's Degree. (That's PanoCode for...stupid.)

JMO

:lol: You're killin me!!!

[denjet]

Somehow I can't see him forking out tuition money. I imagine he applied for funding... Sorry if I missed this...but was he a kid when he went or was he with Cindy? Did I read somewhere, and this could be delirium...that he was married before Cindy? Anyone recall that, or should I just take off the sunglasses for good and go to bed?

JMO

George WAS married before Cindy ... thankfully no kids though ...

[kelloggirl]

I'm still working on the fact the DP is back on the table, therefore, premeditation. In order to prove premeditation, I would think they'd have to know Caylee had more than just duct tape on her nose and mouth. If she only had the tape on her nose and mouth, her hands were free and she was alive in the trunk, it could be argued Casey was only trying to shut her up for a bit, and that she died accidentally from suffocation (still murder, but not premeditated murder). In order for it to have been premeditated, I would think Caylee would've had to either be unconscious when the duct tape went on, or her hands were also bound.

Apologies for all the visuals, guys. I'm just really interested in the Ashton "dexterity" question. The first order of business for this prosecution team is proving premeditation, imo, especially with the "angel of death row" breathing down their necks, trying to get the DP thrown out.

Great thinking, Say. Makes a lot of sense.

Thanks to everyone for the well-wishes on my recovery! :wub:

[kakax]

well, K...I skipped ahead to the word list..LOL!

I havent read his yet, and Im leaning toward passing on it. one more liar...Im not sure Im up to the task either....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


I'm not sure I can finish this tonight. I haven't gotten to the part where he talks about Jesse, Amy and Ricardo. So far he seems to be forthcoming. From what I hear, he gets crazy nuts towards the end with his theories. I may wait for that til tomorrow.

[denjet]

:closedeyes: Actually, if you go by Cindy's timeline, she has the car sitting there for like 3 days. She was trying to give it to LE but they wouldn't take it.

Good idea about the dryer sheet.

Right, like all the other stuff she laid out for LE but they didn't even want it .... (after she had sorted, washed and categorized just the stuff Cindy thought was important (non-incriminating) ...
I'm not sure but I thought they came back with the dogs and took the car the day after ... still plenty of time to steam clean and for the carpet to dry ...
anyone remember when LE took the car?

[msgatorslayer]

Somehow I can't see him forking out tuition money. I imagine he applied for funding... Sorry if I missed this...but was he a kid when he went or was he with Cindy? Did I read somewhere, and this could be delirium...that he was married before Cindy? Anyone recall that, or should I just take off the sunglasses for good and go to bed?

JMO

Gosh, I don't remember the time line for when George went to college. But I believe he already had his degree by the time he met Cindy. Yes, he was married once before. IIRC, it last a couple of years.

[adair]

I wonder how many posters sent kc the pixs of her folks coming off the cruise ship after their vacation? imo

[velvetbrown]

Interesting point about the dryer sheet. Wonder if it was an already used one. I didn't look at the pictures that closely.

Cindy thought it would make a good car 'freshener'...

[panokatana]

George WAS married before Cindy ... thankfully no kids though ...

Does CINDY KNOW?!:ohmy: That just seems SO unlike her...to settle for a... well, dare I say...non virgin. With all the importance of purity she placed on Casey... PLUS, that makes her second choice!

:unsure:
Ok...I so have to have sleep...I thought of George...in that way....and Cindy was there...and...just... eeewwwww. My sincere apologies to everyone.

[denjet]

And with any luck, forensics can track everything that happened in that car after it was retrieved from the towyard right back to Ma and Pa Anthony and all their household cleaners and other compounds.
That's what I'm hoping .. wouldn't it be something if the maggot/dna evidence from the trash bag not only proves Caylee was dead in the trunk, but that Cindy and George did everthing they could to destroy any evidence in the trunk to prove it? I just keep thinking that if the state can prove that then the A's are in a world of trouble for destroying evidence and attempting to conceal a murder ...

[msgatorslayer]

I wonder how many posters sent kc the pixs of her folks coming off the cruise ship after their vacation? imo

:wub: Yeah, hey Casey, look who's enjoying Bella Vita now!!

[need2no]

Somehow I can't see him forking out tuition money. I imagine he applied for funding... Sorry if I missed this...but was he a kid when he went or was he with Cindy? Did I read somewhere, and this could be delirium...that he was married before Cindy? Anyone recall that, or should I just take off the sunglasses for good and go to bed?

JMO

Per George's depo-

George met Cindy when he was 29, and she was 22.

George’s former marriage lasted from 1972 until later part of ’79, almost 1980. Ex wife is Terry Rosenberger, and they had no children together. George met Cindy in the Spring of 1980, and they married a year later.

[denjet]

Does CINDY KNOW?!:ohmy: That just seems SO unlike her...to settle for a... well, dare I say...non virgin. With all the importance of purity she placed on Casey... PLUS, that makes her second choice!

:unsure:
I'm pretty sure it's not something Cindy wanted adverstised !! :smile:

[Pruddennce]

Yes there was Pru ... I've wondered if there was tape around Caylee's wrist to keep her from taking the tape off her mouth ... It's one thing that's bothered me about whether she was awake/conscious or not ...
:sad:

I dont recall at the moment if they concluded the tape was the same........Ive thought about that as well.....being bound....

then I think about the plastic bags....that she might have taped the bag....there were so many remnants of black plastic......and so many other trash items.....

I truly believe she took the trash bag from the apt to put Caylee in and it was not strong enough. then she raided the house. found what she needed.

the tape was used on the missing posters......did they use it all? IMO, after seeing their home, they buy in bulk....stock up. IMO, there was plenty of duct tape.

when GA attempted to accuse LE of placing that tape on the can, well, I simply cannot find the words to describe him....HE WENT TO THE TOW YARD WITH THE GASOLINE CAN, FILLED WITH GASOLINE....a can which would REQUIRE HIM to do as he normally did, TAPE UP THE HOLE......gawd, this man IS an imbecile.

GMAB, the hole was already taped....the tape on the grungy old can was old. GA puts a new piece on each time? right........ oh good grief: Casey returned the cans as she received them. He filled them up shortly after that because HEY! he had gas all ready to go when he went to get her car.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[MiamiNice1]

OK, just finished LEE's Depo.....the Prosecutors have a tremendous sense of humor - first LindaDB interviewing Cindy and now Frank George interviewing Lee. The most hilarious part? Neither Cindy NOR Lee had any CLUE that they were being mocked!!!

===================================

F. George to Lee: Do you know Juliet Lewis?

Baez: The actress.

F. George to Baez: We'll take your depo next.
====================================

Baez: [Laughing (giggling)] over Lee not knowing who Tom Manley was and mixing him up with Tom Macaluso, the atty.

F. George: Mr. Baez is turning into a grade schooler here.

====================================

Lyon: Do you know how much longer this will take? Are we going to be done in an hour and a half or two? I have things bubbling up here that need to be taken care of....

LindaDB: Don't commit. Because last night she started yelling at us.
====================================

LEE: Yeah...I gave everything to Dominic Casey, because I figured he would be able to get better information than I could from search engines.

F. George: Let's hope so.

(I'm SURE he knew that DCasey was getting all his info from NetDetective.com!!!)
====================================
F. George: You gave a deposition over at Morgan&Morgan.

LEE: That was fun, let me tell you.

Baez: [Laughing]

F. Geroge: It's only slightly more fun reading it as opposed to being there.

LEE: Isn't it a hoot? Yeah. That guy's an idiot. Go ahead.
====================================

[msgatorslayer]

Right, like all the other stuff she laid out for LE but they didn't even want it .... (after she had sorted, washed and categorized just the stuff Cindy thought was important (non-incriminating) ...
I'm not sure but I thought they came back with the dogs and took the car the day after ... still plenty of time to steam clean and for the carpet to dry ...
anyone remember when LE took the car?

Exactly! Cindy gave, what Cindy wanted to give. Did she really think that LE would think anything she willingly gave to them was of any importance, lmao. She was not their first ballgame, FGS.

I believe the car remained on Hopespring for less than 24 hrs after they called 911.

[Daffodil]

Anthonys Take Cruise After Big Payout For TV Interview (http://www.wftv.com/news/21338069/detail.html)
Make sure you check out the images ... Cindy was NOT happy to be caught on camera this time !:thumbsup:



Thanks Denjet!! I was not able to see the video or images. For some reason, I have problems with wftv.

[panokatana]

Per George's depo-

George met Cindy when he was 29, and she was 22.

George’s former marriage lasted from 1972 until later part of ’79, almost 1980. Ex wife is Terry Rosenberger, and they had no children together. George met Cindy in the Spring of 1980, and they married a year later.

Thank you, Need! You guys are so amazing with your swift recall and awesome linkage ! I doubt there is ANY legal team more prepared with their facts than folks here! Did I say AMAZING? Yes. I did. :) I guess with that timeline, Cindy didn't have anything to do with the breakup then. So, Cindy was Casey's age when she married George... I wonder what she was like in those years.

PS Kelloggirl... when can I see the Courting Dialogue script??

JMO

[Dovey]

Bringing over my post from last night and I think needs to be looked into more than I did
It's the "Stranger dna on the duct tape". I think the following means that the DNA could not be determined to be either a male or a female therefore no further testing could be done.

I found this and wonder if anyone would have more information than I found. I know DNA is hard to understand but it says the FBI did the test and the stranger's DNA can't be determined to be either a male or female????

My opinion is the DNA test is not identified as either male or female. The Amelogenin locus determines sex. Therefore it cannot be tested for a conclusion.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backis...00/shewale.htm

[Pruddennce]

:wub: Yeah, hey Casey, look who's enjoying Bella Vita now!!

Im curious who will tell Casey or has told Casey the parental units were cruising, enjoying endless food fests?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[MiamiNice1]

:wub: Yeah, hey Casey, look who's enjoying Bella Vita now!!
LOL! Casey would flip!

Did you read in Lee's deposition the explanation for the Bella Vita tattoo?? :cursing:

Related to Cindy by Casey: The tattoo related to Caylee. The stars were because Caylee LOVED looking at the stars and moon at night and Casey wanted to be reminded of Caylee when she looked at the tattoo.

Of course, let's forget that the tattoo is on her BACK and she cannot possibly EVER see it to even be reminded of Caylee. omg. Sounds like this was totally made up by CINDY.

imo

[need2no]

Im curious who will tell Casey or has told Casey the parental units were cruising, enjoying endless food fests?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Got casey's address handy? :laugh:

[kakax]

I dont recall at the moment if they concluded the tape was the same........Ive thought about that as well.....being bound....

then I think about the plastic bags....that she might have taped the bag....there were so many remnants of black plastic......and so many other trash items.....

I truly believe she took the trash bag from the apt to put Caylee in and it was not strong enough. then she raided the house. found what she needed.

the tape was used on the missing posters......did they use it all? IMO, after seeing their home, they buy in bulk....stock up. IMO, there was plenty of duct tape.

when GA attempted to accuse LE of placing that tape on the can, well, I simply cannot find the words to describe him....HE WENT TO THE TOW YARD WITH THE GASOLINE CAN, FILLED WITH GASOLINE....a can which would REQUIRE HIM to do as he normally did, TAPE UP THE HOLE......gawd, this man IS an imbecile.

GMAB, the hole was already taped....the tape on the grungy old can was old. GA puts a new piece on each time? right........ oh good grief: Casey returned the cans as she received them. He filled them up shortly after that because HEY! he had gas all ready to go when he went to get her car.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*



In Cindy's depo, she states that they used the roll of duct tape. They eventually had to use something else to put the fliers up. Who knows with these people.

[summer4meplz]

p. 63...george's depo.... "Our children never went through the babies-type things where they would do the ga-ga and goo -goo type stuff. It was always a good communication with out children. It always has been."

so casey and lee didn't baby babble? they just started talking?

[msgatorslayer]

Im curious who will tell Casey or has told Casey the parental units were cruising, enjoying endless food fests?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

The jail guards, as they slipped her lunch to her this afternoon.:tongueside:

[Daffodil]

Here's one Daffodil -

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/19/anthonys_take_cruise_while_daughter_is_in_jail.htm l

and another:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/#



Thanks Betty. It appears they do have a few friends. I was surprised by that. Was that the media consultant guy with them?

[MiamiNice1]

Thank you for this highlight reel, MN1!!! ROFL! OMG, the state was on their game, weren't they? Is this not how most of us would talk to baby-sacrificing liars with less than zero credibility? Like they are a huge joke? Love it! LOVE IT! :lol:
You cannot make this stuff up! I'm SO glad these depos came out. They have showed us that we can have complete confidence in the State! :thumbsup:

Forgot the one where Lee is telling F. George about how much he suspects Jesse and now suspects Tony Lazzaro as having done something to Caylee.

F. George asked, "do you ever consider Casey a suspect?" Lee says, "no. never."

OMG!!!!!!!

[msgatorslayer]

p. 63...george's depo.... "Our children never went through the babies-type things where they would do the ga-ga and goo -goo type stuff. It was always a good communication with out children. It always has been."

so casey and lee didn't baby babble? they just started talking?

Perfect babies, in a perfect family!!!

[msgatorslayer]

You cannot make this stuff up! I'm SO glad these depos came out. They have showed us that we can have complete confidence in the State! :thumbsup:

Forgot the one where Lee is telling F. George about how much he suspects Jesse and now suspects Tony Lazzaro as having done something to Caylee.

F. George asked, "do you ever consider Casey a suspect?" Lee says, "no. never."

OMG!!!!!!!

That was priceless!! :lol:

[MiamiNice1]

In Cindy's depo, she states that they used the roll of duct tape. They eventually had to use something else to put the fliers up. Who knows with these people.
At the end of Lee's depo, LDB asked him if HE had ever hung posters or pictures of Caylee with Duct Tape. They are backing them into a corner about the duct tape.

[denjet]

Interesting point about the dryer sheet. Wonder if it was an already used one. I didn't look at the pictures that closely.
Hard to tell from the picture ... it sort of looks ripped but it's in Cindy's depo in the exhibits page 327 of Part II
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

[Pruddennce]

In Cindy's depo, she states that they used the roll of duct tape. They eventually had to use something else to put the fliers up. Who knows with these people.

liars. cannot believe one word out of their mouths. Cindy A secreted the lanyard away and then suddenly recalled she had it and then gave it to JB and not LE??????????????

my question is: does LE have it now?

CA MAD A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT IN HER LE/FBI interviews. ITS MISSING she is lamenting.

after finding out she had it and gave it to Baez, wouldnt LE ask for it because its potential evidence that was secreted away then given away?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[summer4meplz]

I hate to say this but he was probably inquiring about her dexterity/fine motor skills to prove that she may have tried and tried and tried to rip the duct tape off??? Goes to show more aggrevation? I hate to write that or think it. It is just my wild guess or opinion.

or maybe tried and tried and tried to open the trunk? which I hope and pray is NOT the case....I do so pray she didn't suffer or know terror....I pray casey just drugged her and she went to sleep and never knew what a monster her mother was.....

[panokatana]

Im curious who will tell Casey or has told Casey the parental units were cruising, enjoying endless food fests?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I didn't see any of the three trying to make visual contact with each other in court the other day... Casey stood up, adjusted the shirt over her back scabs and headed to the door... Mom and Pop were meeting and greeting with a woman I did not recognize...(travel agent maybe?)...and poof...gone. Maybe Casey already knew somehow.

Jose: Now, Casey..your mom and dad may not be able to attend today, their ship leaves for the Bahamas at four...But the GOOD news is, Pops found $40 bucks in loose change for your food fund!
Minus my attorney fees, that will leave you with $19.95. Now, that's my girl...smile for the camera.

Ugh... I suppose I take it for granted, having all this information and assume Casey knows what we know...but I suppose that isn't always so...

One last unimportant question...but...does anyone know if they have a "salon" in jail? (That sounds too dainty for jail..maybe "hair chop shop") Can prisoners have their hair cut? (I know, according to Casey, Casey did her own hair for over a year, fancy cuts and all)...but now they won't let her have her shears. Just seems she'd cut it short... less fuss...) Like I said, unimportant, but I was just curious.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

LOL! Casey would flip!

Did you read in Lee's deposition the explanation for the Bella Vita tattoo?? :cursing:

Related to Cindy by Casey: The tattoo related to Caylee. The stars were because Caylee LOVED looking at the stars and moon at night and Casey wanted to be reminded of Caylee when she looked at the tattoo.

Of course, let's forget that the tattoo is on her BACK and she cannot possibly EVER see it to even be reminded of Caylee. omg. Sounds like this was totally made up by CINDY.

imo

I think alot was made up by Cindy.

'Oh, no, I didn't ask her about that... No, there was no time to talk... We didn't see her long enough to ask that... Lenny was here and it wasn't a good time" {Pick any Anthony}

Nobody asked Casey anything important about the disappearance of her Daughter. Nobody called her on any lies. But Cindy asked her about her new tats meaning.:confused:

[MiamiNice1]

Also loved how they established with Lee that Cindy never had that little postie-note with Zanny's address and phone.

Remember how Cindy in her Depo claimed to have given it to the Black Police Officer? Lee said he was pretty confident Cindy did NOT have an address or he would have gone to check it out.

I'm sure this first Officer to arrive on the scene and who CINDY claims to have given Zanny's address and phone to - WILL TESTIFY!

[panokatana]

p. 63...george's depo.... "Our children never went through the babies-type things where they would do the ga-ga and goo -goo type stuff. It was always a good communication with out children. It always has been."

so casey and lee didn't baby babble? they just started talking?

JUST WHEN I was logging off and taking the headache to bed...I read your post...

Sigh...Casey: "Where the he!! is my bottle. What? You think you can feed me on a Freakin WHIM? What's Granny's number? That is NOT my diaper, you smell... that is Granny's diaper..she already said she was going to PIN it on me!"

I bet George doesn't remember the baby babble because he wasn't home...he was doing whatever it was...that wouldn't let him be home! :)

JMO

[Katprint]

One last unimportant question...but...does anyone know if they have a "salon" in jail? (That sounds too dainty for jail..maybe "hair chop shop") Can prisoners have their hair cut? (I know, according to Casey, Casey did her own hair for over a year, fancy cuts and all)...but now they won't let her have her shears. Just seems she'd cut it short... less fuss...) Like I said, unimportant, but I was just curious.<snipped to address>

Yes, there is usually a barber shop in the larger jails located in metropolitan areas, such as the one Casey is in.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[denjet]

Why would Cindy lie about never having seen the "Big Trouble comes in small packages" shirt? There are pictures of Caylee wearing it ...
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
I can't find the other one that shows her standing with it on ... but why would Cindy lie about it knowing there are pictures out there of Caylee wearing it .... ??

[MiamiNice1]

I think alot was made up by Cindy.

'Oh, no, I didn't ask her about that... No, there was no time to talk... We didn't see her long enough to ask that... Lenny was here and it wasn't a good time" {Pick any Anthony}

Nobody asked Casey anything important about the disappearance of her Daughter. Nobody called her on any lies. But Cindy asked her about her new tats meaning.:confused:

Yeah, curiously, they ALL had the exact same excuse for not questioning Casey. :rolleyes:

I LOVED how Lee told them that he asked Casey about Zanny really being Jesse. Lee says that Casey laughed in his face and said, "no." Lee says he did NOT believe Casey about this.

Imagine. Talk about screwy! The one time Casey tells the TRUTH, Lee says he doesn't believe her!!! But all the LIES, they all swallow, hook, line and sinker! omg!

[msgatorslayer]

Also loved how they established with Lee that Cindy never had that little postie-note with Zanny's address and phone.

Remember how Cindy in her Depo claimed to have given it to the Black Police Officer? Lee said he was pretty confident Cindy did NOT have an address or he would have gone to check it out.

I'm sure this first Officer to arrive on the scene and who CINDY claims to have given Zanny's address and phone to - WILL TESTIFY!

Of course she didn't have the address. Love how she says in the depo that it didn't cross her mind. That she was just thinking about getting Caylee. Forgot that she had an address. Blah, blag, blah!!

BS - She would have driven Casey over to that address herself. If she had it. Without ever calling LE. She WAS on a mission, to make Casey tell her where Caylee was. And if she had it in her power to find that information without calling LE, she would have used it.

I notice she says it was the "Sawgrass' address that she had. She's had it for months. For good measure, IMO, she's tossing this tidbit in there for the civil lawsuit. I HAD IT LONG BEFORE THAT WOMAN FILLED OUT THAT CARD AT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX!!!

[denjet]

Im curious who will tell Casey or has told Casey the parental units were cruising, enjoying endless food fests?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*
Maybe the A's sent her a wish-you-were-here postcard !!
(or maybe someone should...) :tongueside:

[MiamiNice1]

Why would Cindy lie about never having seen the "Big Trouble comes in small packages" shirt? There are pictures of Caylee wearing it ...
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
I can't find the other one that shows her standing with it on ... but why would Cindy lie about it knowing there are pictures out there of Caylee wearing it .... ??
I'll bet it has to do with the police report saying that it was thought to have been placed on Caylee by Casey on purpose, showing why she resents her. Even I was horrified by that - imagine Cindy when she read that?

So she denies, denies, denies.

IMO

[msgatorslayer]

Why would Cindy lie

about never having seen the "Big Trouble comes in small packages" shirt? There are pictures of Caylee wearing it ...
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
I can't find the other one that shows her standing with it on ... but why would Cindy lie about it knowing there are pictures out there of Caylee wearing it .... ??

It's like a poison running through her veins now. She can't stop!! She's in the zone. Lie, lie, lie!!:blink:

[MiamiNice1]

Of course she didn't have the address. Love how she says in the depo that it didn't cross her mind. That she was just thinking about getting Caylee. Forgot that she had an address. Blah, blag, blah!!

BS - She would have driven Casey over to that address herself. If she had it. Without ever calling LE. She WAS on a mission, to make Casey tell her where Caylee was. And if she had it in her power to find that information without calling LE, she would have used it.

I notice she says it was the "Sawgrass' address that she had. She's had it for months. For good measure, IMO, she's tossing this tidbit in there for the civil lawsuit. I HAD IT LONG BEFORE THAT WOMAN FILLED OUT THAT CARD AT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX!!!
You are so right about the BBM! But LEE has contradicted that notion. And just logically, you KNOW Cindy would have been pounding on that door if she had an address!

I cannot WAIT for this trial!!! :drool:

[denjet]

In Cindy's depo, she states that they used the roll of duct tape. They eventually had to use something else to put the fliers up. Who knows with these people.
Forgive me if it's been discussed, but does anyone think this tipped off Kathi Belich to go back over videos to look for the tape?? ... seems like the timing was right if she got an inside tip ... made me go mmmmm when I read that in the depo

[denjet]

p. 63...george's depo.... "Our children never went through the babies-type things where they would do the ga-ga and goo -goo type stuff. It was always a good communication with out children. It always has been."

so casey and lee didn't baby babble? they just started talking?

Doncha know that's what "perfect" children in "perfect" families do? Suddenly my family seems so barbaric ... lots of oogles, googles, babbles in my family .... and my children are grown!

[MiamiNice1]

Forgive me if it's been discussed, but does anyone think this tipped off Kathi Belich to go back over videos to look for the tape?? ... seems like the timing was right if she got an inside tip ... made me go mmmmm when I read that in the depo

Yes, we were discussing this last night.....I do believe this is what tipped Kathi Belich off about the duct tape and the posters. Kathi has lots of connections and she has really become the "go to" person regarding all things Anthony. :)

[msgatorslayer]

Forgive me if it's been discussed, but does anyone think this tipped off Kathi Belich to go back over videos to look for the tape?? ... seems like the timing was right if she got an inside tip ... made me go mmmmm when I read that in the depo

We BRIEFLY touched on that lastnight. Were you here, sorry, I don't remember.

It was a good point. Someone would have had to tip her off because she wouldn't have had the Discovery in her hands at the time they went digging through their footage.

[Dovey]

There are enough individuals to file a class action suit against the Anthony's. There are so many young lives they are destroying, Amy and Ricardo being herion addict, Tony a drug dealer and dealing in prostition, Jessie (who really only loved Caylee and Casey), Amy who Casey stole from and the list can go on and on. The Anthony's have tainted and destroyed these young kids.

I hope they sue the pants off the Anthony's.

[msgatorslayer]

Doncha know that's what "perfect" children in "perfect" families do? Suddenly my family seems so barbaric ... lots of oogles, googles, babbles in my family .... and my children are grown!

:laugh: Monsters, I tell ya!! We have monsters!!!

[Dovey]

Forgive me if it's been discussed, but does anyone think this tipped off Kathi Belich to go back over videos to look for the tape?? ... seems like the timing was right if she got an inside tip ... made me go mmmmm when I read that in the depo

I wonder if the SP called Kathie B and asked her to review tapes about this.

[msgatorslayer]

There are enough individuals to file a class action suit against the Anthony's. There are so many young lives they are destroying, Amy and Ricardo being herion addict, Tony a drug dealer and dealing in prostition, Jessie (who really only loved Caylee and Casey), Amy who Casey stole from and the list can go on and on. The Anthony's have tainted and destroyed these young kids.

I hope they sue the pants off the Anthony's.

More so than them being sued, I want to see them in jail. I'd love nothing more than to see them led away in handcuffs right after their princess is convicted of murder.

[caphill]

well, it didnt work, whatever they used...the stain remained, although not as pronounced, and the smell didnt quit.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

How do you explain the stain/body silhouette having no human DNA. What explanation is there for no DNA from Caylee, no fibers from her clothes or blanket found anywhere in the trunk?

It is also amazing the duct tape that was supposedly adhered to Caylee's face had none of her DNA.

[Dovey]

More so than them being sued, I want to see them in jail. I'd love nothing more than to see them led away in handcuffs right after their princess is convicted of murder.

Let the kids sue them first for ruining their lives then arrest the A's. These poor young kids have had to hire attorney's for protection for nothing they did but for protection. I'm sure it was a expense, they never wanted nor did they ever expect to be involved in this situation.

[kakax]

You cannot make this stuff up! I'm SO glad these depos came out. They have showed us that we can have complete confidence in the State! :thumbsup:

Forgot the one where Lee is telling F. George about how much he suspects Jesse and now suspects Tony Lazzaro as having done something to Caylee.

F. George asked, "do you ever consider Casey a suspect?" Lee says, "no. never."

OMG!!!!!!!



That is the part I am on right now. Love how he characterizes Tone as a suspect and if not a suspect a person of interest. Ok Lee. Whatever.

[msgatorslayer]

Let the kids sue them first for ruining their lives then arrest the A's. These poor young kids have had to hire attorney's for protection for nothing they did but for protection. I'm sure it was a expensive, they never wanted nor did they ever expect to be involved in this situation.

I hear ya!! Wonder why they haven't?

[SC7501]

I'll bet it has to do with the police report saying that it was thought to have been placed on Caylee by Casey on purpose, showing why she resents her. Even I was horrified by that - imagine Cindy when she read that?

So she denies, denies, denies.

IMO

Reminds me of Scott Peterson's mother. Wasn't her line "deny, deny, deny"?

[Dovey]

I hear ya!! Wonder why they haven't?

I truly think the Grunds' are waiting for the final words in court. I think I read somewhere about that.

[kakax]

liars. cannot believe one word out of their mouths. Cindy A secreted the lanyard away and then suddenly recalled she had it and then gave it to JB and not LE??????????????

my question is: does LE have it now?

CA MAD A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT IN HER LE/FBI interviews. ITS MISSING she is lamenting.

after finding out she had it and gave it to Baez, wouldnt LE ask for it because its potential evidence that was secreted away then given away?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*



She seems almost accusatory about the lanyard as well. Seems like she is trying to say LE put it there. Then she later states that maybe she could have. There is no way you can believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

I can only imagine how frustrating this case is for LE and the SA's office trying to make sense of it all. I bet they are so anxious to get this case to trial and to see Casey pay for all the damage she has caused. They must be saints for dealing with the Anthony's so kindly in these depos. Amazing.

[MiamiNice1]

That is the part I am on right now. Love how he characterizes Tone as a suspect and if not a suspect a person of interest. Ok Lee. Whatever.
I don't even know HOW F. George or the other attorneys could contain their laughter over Lee and his "investigation."

He threw away his first notepad that he bgean taking notes, he doesn't know what happened to his BAT phone and the biggest bombshell he discovered in ALl his "investigations" was that Jesse was LYING about not having met Tony Lazzaro at the pool party.

omg. Buffoon!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrsHudson]

Wow, I am LOVING Ashton. I thought Linda was direct, but Jeff is even more so, imo.

Love this one ...

Ashton is discussing the $5K Casey thieved from Cindy by running up a credit card. Cindy is trying to fluff it off as no big thing, of course. She's explaining to Ashton what she presumably knows about where the money went (Christmas presents for Casey's friends :rolleyes:), and of course everything she "knows" came from the lies Casey told her. So interesting how Cindy the control freak tries to make like she was wholly uninterested in seeing the statements for all this credit card charging Casey did. Anyhoo, Ashton says this:

"Okay, the reason I bring that up is because I want to make sure we separate what she told you from what you found out from other sources. So she told you she was buying presents for friends?"

This will be classic at some point, imo. After the state draws out in agonizing detail how outrageously Casey lies, they will present Cindy to the jury, and she will proceed to parrot all Casey's lies. About 30 seconds of that should be enough to convince the jury Cindy has ZERO credibility.

The amount of Cindy's lies is amazing. She must spend hours and hours of a day just making up lies to tell at depositions, to the press and to herself. I bet she lays in bed at night anticipating every angle of the case and making up a lie to counter it. I bet she's making up lies in her head as she showers, puts on make up, washes dishes and eats lunch. Whatever mental problem she has must be severe, chronic and and incurable.

I am soooo sooo soo glad NOT to be her and have to live with what she lives with. But on the other hand she seems to have been born without a truth gene. Mabye making up lies is an enjoyable hobby for her.

[msgatorslayer]

That is the part I am on right now. Love how he characterizes Tone as a suspect and if not a suspect a person of interest. Ok Lee. Whatever.

One of these people associated with Casey is the Zanny. They just know it. Because Casey didn't lie when she said that Zanny took Caylee. She told a 'Half Truth', which means, part of what she said is true. So, one of these young kids, yeah, they are the Zanny.:rolleyes:

[MiamiNice1]

Can you imagine the prosecution team having drinks after these depos? They must've laughed til they wet themselves! :lol:

Now I owe YOU a coke! :laugh:

I know.....I don't know how they kept a straight face!!!

eta - How about when:

F. George asked Lee: Did Casey always talk in riddles like this?

Lee: Um....no....but sometimes she wrote like that.

[caphill]

Why would Cindy lie about never having seen the "Big Trouble comes in small packages" shirt? There are pictures of Caylee wearing it ...
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
I can't find the other one that shows her standing with it on ... but why would Cindy lie about it knowing there are pictures out there of Caylee wearing it .... ??

That does not show a pic of that shirt much less a pic of Caylee wearing the shirt. Did you make an error in the link you were trying to post. I have never seen a pic of Caylee wearing that shirt... does anyone recall seeing such a pic?

[kakax]

Why would Cindy lie about never having seen the "Big Trouble comes in small packages" shirt? There are pictures of Caylee wearing it ...
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
I can't find the other one that shows her standing with it on ... but why would Cindy lie about it knowing there are pictures out there of Caylee wearing it .... ??


Well first of all Cindy insinuates its tacky. Cindy wouldn't dress her in something that had...wait for it....writing on it.

Secondly, I think she wants us to assume that it must have been something the Nanny purchased so it doesn't tie to Casey.

I noticed she wanted to distance herself from that shirt as well.

My new mantra....whatever.

Trying to get facts out of these people is impossible.

[Dovey]

I read all the Anthony's depo's and while I was reading them, my DH said, "I'm tired of hearing Lier, lier, is anything out of their mouths truthful? I went on reading and kept stating Lier, lier, it just kept coming out of my mouth. He finally couldn't take it anymore. He said I believe you but geeze it's unbelievable that these A's have lied when they are sworn in a court of law. I said yup, yup honey, goodnite and see you in the a.m but that's the truth.

[msgatorslayer]

Can you imagine the prosecution team having drinks after these depos? They must've laughed til they wet themselves! :lol:

Oh yeah!! After 4 days and 3 Anthony's, it was time to let loose.:beer:

[kakax]

Yeah, curiously, they ALL had the exact same excuse for not questioning Casey. :rolleyes:

I LOVED how Lee told them that he asked Casey about Zanny really being Jesse. Lee says that Casey laughed in his face and said, "no." Lee says he did NOT believe Casey about this.

Imagine. Talk about screwy! The one time Casey tells the TRUTH, Lee says he doesn't believe her!!! But all the LIES, they all swallow, hook, line and sinker! omg!


Yes, its selective believing. They believe what they want. Doesn't matter what is put forward as the real facts in this case.

[denjet]

The amount of Cindy's lies is amazing. She must spend hours and hours of a day just making up lies to tell at depositions, to the press and to herself. I bet she lays in bed at night anticipating every angle of the case and making up a lie to counter it. I bet she's making up lies in her head as she showers, puts on make up, washes dishes and eats lunch. Whatever mental problem she has must be severe, chronic and and incurable.

I am soooo sooo soo glad NOT to be her and have to live with what she lives with. But on the other hand she seems to have been born without a truth gene. Mabye making up lies is an enjoyable hobby for her.

Excellent insight, Mrs! without a truth gene AND a conscience !!:thumbup:

[MiamiNice1]

Reminds me of Scott Peterson's mother. Wasn't her line "deny, deny, deny"?
Good memory, SC. It sure was deny, deny, deny. Two peas in a pod, Cindy and Jackie, imo.

[MiamiNice1]

I truly think the Grunds' are waiting for the final words in court. I think I read somewhere about that.
They should ALL call up Morgan&Morgan!! :laugh:

[Aunt]

They sure did give it their best effort ... but you never get everything ... the trunk was amazingly clean for a trunk that had trash and so many maggots they made a loud crunching noise (per George) ... makes me think the first thing that was done to that trunk was it was sprayed down with insecticide (LE took insect sprayers from their home), then it was probably vacuumed, then steam cleaned ... (LE took those too) they may have even gone over it with a lint roller .... but did they wipe down the underside of the trunk hood ?? were there fingerprints, palm prints or anything indicating Caylee was in that trunk trying to get out? JMO it's where my mind's been wondering after reading those depositions ... just a lot of questions that were asked that are making me wonder ... :confused:

Best post all day.., and they are all excellent reads.

This is such a good post, thank you! :read:

[msgatorslayer]

They should ALL call up Morgan&Morgan!! :laugh:

:laugh: For another date with the Doberman!!!

[MiamiNice1]

OMG! ROFL!

Haven't done Lee yet, or George. Just got through Cindy, part 1. It'll take me another week to get through part 2 of hers. :cursing:
You poor thing....you have a ways to go! Hers gets interesting towards the last couple of hundred pages of part 2! ROFL!

[*Serenity*]

That does not show a pic of that shirt much less a pic of Caylee wearing the shirt. Did you make an error in the link you were trying to post. I have never seen a pic of Caylee wearing that shirt... does anyone recall seeing such a pic?

Yes... I have seen a photo of Caylee wearing that shirt... way back in the beginning of this case.

[kakax]

Oh yes, and George assured him that they were going to start working on tying shoelaces very soon. What two or 3 year old child has that manual dexterity? None that I know of.

Just another reason to believe that George didn't have a clue as to what was happening in Caylee's little life.



I must have bred apes. My son is 7 and can barely tie his shoes.

[MiamiNice1]

:laugh: For another date with the Doberman!!!
Hope he remembers to shorten the lunge line! :sneaky:

[MiamiNice1]

I must have bred apes. My son is 7 and can barely tie his shoes.
BURST out laughing!!!! :laugh:

[Dovey]

Oh yes, and George assured him that they were going to start working on tying shoelaces very soon. What two or 3 year old child has that manual dexterity? None that I know of.

Just another reason to believe that George didn't have a clue as to what was happening in Caylee's little life.

You never know about children. I have 1 of my 3 grandchildren who is gifted by his IQ( is actually in classes for it) and he could read at a very young age but his speech was terrible until pre K. Some kids are more developed in some areas and some are in other areas.

[kakax]

Hope he remembers to shorten the lunge line! :sneaky:


Rofl...the video 48 hours picked of the deposition with Cindy was perfect. Man she looked evil. She looks like the devil's spawn in it.
:scared:

[MiamiNice1]

Rofl...the video 48 hours picked of the deposition with Cindy was perfect. Man she looked evil. She looks like the devil's spawn in it.
:scared:
AGREED! Evil, evil, wicked evil.

imo

[Dovey]

They sure did give it their best effort ... but you never get everything ... the trunk was amazingly clean for a trunk that had trash and so many maggots they made a loud crunching noise (per George) ... makes me think the first thing that was done to that trunk was it was sprayed down with insecticide (LE took insect sprayers from their home), then it was probably vacuumed, then steam cleaned ... (LE took those too) they may have even gone over it with a lint roller .... but did they wipe down the underside of the trunk hood ?? were there fingerprints, palm prints or anything indicating Caylee was in that trunk trying to get out? JMO it's where my mind's been wondering after reading those depositions ... just a lot of questions that were asked that are making me wonder ... :confused:

ITA otherwise how could Casey even sit in the garage, (for 5 minutes per Lee's statement). Per Cindy's statement to LE back yonder, Casey was never in the garage...ok Cindy you lie and lie to fit a lie, story etc.
Make up your minds Anthony's. Lee says in his depo Casey was in the garage on the stoop and then I came and talked to her for about 5 minutes the night of July 15th. Cindy says Casey was never alone in the garage, she was always with someone.

Link is Cindy's 1st or 2nd statement to LE. Lee's statement is to SA end of July.

[adair]

Of course she didn't have the address. Love how she says in the depo that it didn't cross her mind. That she was just thinking about getting Caylee. Forgot that she had an address. Blah, blag, blah!!

BS - She would have driven Casey over to that address herself. If she had it. Without ever calling LE. She WAS on a mission, to make Casey tell her where Caylee was. And if she had it in her power to find that information without calling LE, she would have used it.

I notice she says it was the "Sawgrass' address that she had. She's had it for months. For good measure, IMO, she's tossing this tidbit in there for the civil lawsuit. I HAD IT LONG BEFORE THAT WOMAN FILLED OUT THAT CARD AT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX!!!


Has anyone ever wondered what would happen if they hooked Cin to a lie detector test.......would OrlanDo loose power for days....

j/k

[adair]

I wonder if one of the cruise security followed c & g around to make sure one of them didnt accidentally fall off????


j/k sorta

[Dovey]

Has anyone ever wondered what would happen if they hooked Cin to a lie detector test.......would OrlanDo loose power for days....j/k

BBM
More like years with the lie's they have told.

[kakax]

I'm a little more than halfway in Lee's depo and the stuff that he is saying is RIDICULOUS. All this carp about Amy being into heroin... using different investigative tactics as a ploy to get people to talk....

This guy has a screw loose.

What made him think he was so smart that he could conduct his own investigation? Moron. He could have really messed things up with this investigation. Telling Tone Jesse was a suspect and then running to Jesse and telling him Tone was a suspect.

WTH is wrong with these people!?!?!?!

[qwerty]

Cindy can describe every container ,bag, basket and whats inside them in her garage from a photo but when faced with item 28 from part 2 of her depo" I can't tell if it's paper or whatever it looks like some type of bag, but I don't know what it's made ofjust by looking at the picture. I don't know the size of it I don't know how long it is or whatever so I don't know what that is"
page 339 cindys depo part 2 referring to item 28 the canvas bag Caylee was found in

ALSO

"I'm not really sure the smell was an issue, because at that point I still did not connect the smell to Caylee" At that point?????? as opposed to when you did at some other point?????
page 203 Cindys depo part 2

AND exibit 22 of Cindy's depo

page 321 in casey's handwriting the list.............where the pages of objections begin and finally end on page 329... Is his objection related to the fact that the umbilical cord is on the list in Casey's handwriting as things turned over to Jose?????? seriously?

[kakax]

Has anyone ever wondered what would happen if they hooked Cin to a lie detector test.......would OrlanDo loose power for days....

j/k

Now that's funny rofl!

:laugh:

[MiamiNice1]

I'm a little more than halfway in Lee's depo and the stuff that he is saying is RIDICULOUS. All this carp about Amy being into heroin... using different investigative tactics as a ploy to get people to talk....

This guy has a screw loose.

What made him think he was so smart that he could conduct his own investigation? Moron. He could have really messed things up with this investigation. Telling Tone Jesse was a suspect and then running to Jesse and telling him Tone was a suspect.

WTH is wrong with these people!?!?!?!

You have used all the words I was screaming at my computer screen while reading this absolute NONSENSE by Lee!

I'm SO glad I can come here and VENT after reading this utter BS!!

imo

[Dovey]

Cindy can describe every container ,bag, basket and whats inside them in her garage from a photo but when faced with item 28 from part 2 of her depo" I can't tell if it's paper or whatever it looks like some type of bag, but I don't know what it's made ofjust by looking at the picture. I don't know the size of it I don't know how long it is or whatever so I don't know what that is"
page 339 cindys depo part 2 referring to item 28 the canvas bag Caylee was found in

ALSO

"I'm not really sure the smell was an issue, because at that point I still did not connect the smell to Caylee" At that point?????? as opposed to when you did at some other point?????
page 203 Cindys depo part 2

AND exibit 22 of Cindy's depo

page 321 in casey's handwriting the list.............where the pages of objections begin and finally end on page 329... Is his objection related to the fact that the umbilical cord is on the list in Casey's handwriting as things turned over to Jose?????? seriously?

And on and on with Cindy's lies. Makes you wonder why Cindy and George aren't in jail yet on charges, doesn't it?

[kakax]

Cindy can describe every container ,bag, basket and whats inside them in her garage from a photo but when faced with item 28 from part 2 of her depo" I can't tell if it's paper or whatever it looks like some type of bag, but I don't know what it's made ofjust by looking at the picture. I don't know the size of it I don't know how long it is or whatever so I don't know what that is"
page 339 cindys depo part 2 referring to item 28 the canvas bag Caylee was found in

ALSO

"I'm not really sure the smell was an issue, because at that point I still did not connect the smell to Caylee" At that point?????? as opposed to when you did at some other point?????
page 203 Cindys depo part 2

AND exibit 22 of Cindy's depo

page 321 in casey's handwriting the list.............where the pages of objections begin and finally end on page 329... Is his objection related to the fact that the umbilical cord is on the list in Casey's handwriting as things turned over to Jose?????? seriously?


I'm still a bit confused on what the objections were about. I initially had the feeling that JB didn't want anyone to know that he had given Casey a directive to get the hairs from her family and other items. I'm thinking the second sheet of paper is either his handwriting or someone from his office. I could be TOTALLY offbase here.

[kakax]

You have used all the words I was screaming at my computer screen while reading this absolute NONSENSE by Lee!

I'm SO glad I can come here and VENT after reading this utter BS!!

imo



Ikeep having to take breaks. I can't stomach it for very long without venting LOL!

You are finished with Lee's right?

[Dovey]

Good nite all, I've used the word LIE beyond my limit today/nite.

[AlohaRainbow]

Gee, how did I miss this little tidbit (from your link)? ...

Last month, George told News 13 he and Cindy had been working on their relationship and trying to spend more time together.

:glare:

had they interviewed cindy, she would have said she and george went on the cruise to "bond" :tongueside:

[MiamiNice1]

Ikeep having to take breaks. I can't stomach it for very long without venting LOL!

You are finished with Lee's right?
Yes, finished. I could hardly take his constant laughing. Very adolescent!

[MiamiNice1]

Good nite all, I've used the word LIE beyond my limit today/nite.

Nite! :seeya:

[qwerty]

I'm still a bit confused on what the objections were about. I initially had the feeling that JB didn't want anyone to know that he had given Casey a directive to get the hairs from her family and other items. I'm thinking the second sheet of paper is either his handwriting or someone from his office. I could be TOTALLY offbase here.

I had the feeling he didn't want the info to come out about that ( Casey collecting evidence?) and the fact that he obviously has her umbilical cord:cursing:

[kakax]

I will scream the next time I see the word "tooken" I swear I will.

Ugh.

It's getting too late for me to read this stuff. LOL

[kakax]

Yes, finished. I could hardly take his constant laughing. Very adolescent!



Yep...he is now talking about Jesse...how he loved Caylee as his own [laughing]

What about that is funny? And why wouldn't a brother appreciate that someone who was not the baby's father would step up and help support this baby. Lee certainly didn't help.

[MiamiNice1]

Yep...he is now talking about Jesse...how he loved Caylee as his own [laughing]

What about that is funny? And why wouldn't a brother appreciate that someone who was not the baby's father would step up and help support this baby. Lee certainly didn't help.
The laughing is over-the-top-inappropriate! What they are doing to Jesse is despicable!

The "tooken" KILLED me. How about Lee saying, "This is a criminal IDIOCRACY." :rolleyes:


Lee when he tells F. George in regards to his CMA proclamations at the Memorial:

"It was kind of an open interpretation.....CMA, I mean it's either my mother, my sister or Caylee. They all have the same initials, so you know, those are the three most important women of my life, Mallory being a very close fourth. Sorry, baby."

UGH!

[kakax]

Don't feel bad, Kath. FLBs are obviously subhuman in comparison with the Anthonys.


I guess I should be thankful not to be in the same class as the A's.

It worries me that an entire family could lie as consistently as they do. Makes me scared for everyone that ever has been or will be in contact with them.

And I'm proud of my FLB status. :thumbsup:

[farrahrani]

:closedeyes: Actually, if you go by Cindy's timeline, she has the car sitting there for like 3 days. She was trying to give it to LE but they wouldn't take it.

Good idea about the dryer sheet.

I remember one of my kids left some food in the back seat, and it slid under the driver's seat. Didn't know about it till I was cleaning my car after the weekend. Anyway, between them spilling soda in the back, knocking my drink over in the front, and whatever take out they had that was left in the bag, after being left in FL heat in summer, after the weekend my car wasn't as fresh as a rose (not as bad as a rotting pizza, doncha know :cursing:)

After taking car to the gas station to vacuum it out, I wiped the seats down with dryer sheets after cleaning the upholstery. After finishing, I left a dryer sheet on each of the seats before I closed up the car. Some of them are really strong and make a big difference. Maybe she was trying to mask the smell whatever way she could by leaving it in there?

[kakax]

LOL Is that from the middle finger "gifted" one?



It sure is. Mr. Smartie Pantz himself.

[MiamiNice1]

Don't feel bad, Kath. FLBs are obviously subhuman in comparison with the Anthonys.
:lol: Tears of laughter!!!!!!!

[AlohaRainbow]

One little comment from George's depo.

He was "over the moon" !!! when told about Casey's pregnancy. He thought it would be good for her to be a mom !?

Can anyone imagine a normal father having this reaction to his, immature, non-working, single daughter being pregnant?

i wonder if george realizes yet that it (casey being a mom) didn't turn out so good for caylee :angry:

[kakax]

The laughing is over-the-top-inappropriate! What they are doing to Jesse is despicable!

The "tooken" KILLED me. How about Lee saying, "This is a criminal IDIOCRACY." :rolleyes:


Lee when he tells F. George in regards to his CMA proclamations at the Memorial:

"It was kind of an open interpretation.....CMA, I mean it's either my mother, my sister or Caylee. They all have the same initials, so you know, those are the three most important women of my life, Mallory being a very close fourth. Sorry, baby."

UGH!


It really is over the top. You said it perfectly. I understand nervous laughter to a certain degree. Been guilty of it myself...but good grief this isn't the first time he has been interviewed. He has such a high opinion of himself, it is sickening.

And Mallory needs to run for the hills. He says they haven't moved in together YET. Those poor grandchildren. When she has kids is really when she will wake up and see this family is nuts.

[adair]

I'm a little more than halfway in Lee's depo and the stuff that he is saying is RIDICULOUS. All this carp about Amy being into heroin... using different investigative tactics as a ploy to get people to talk....

This guy has a screw loose.

What made him think he was so smart that he could conduct his own investigation? Moron. He could have really messed things up with this investigation. Telling Tone Jesse was a suspect and then running to Jesse and telling him Tone was a suspect.

WTH is wrong with these people!?!?!?!


It was prolly that great training from DC, dontcha know? j/k imo

[Bala]

The laughing is over-the-top-inappropriate! What they are doing to Jesse is despicable!

The "tooken" KILLED me. How about Lee saying, "This is a criminal IDIOCRACY." :rolleyes:


Lee when he tells F. George in regards to his CMA proclamations at the Memorial:

"It was kind of an open interpretation.....CMA, I mean it's either my mother, my sister or Caylee. They all have the same initials, so you know, those are the three most important women of my life, Mallory being a very close fourth. Sorry, baby."

UGH!
What kind of idiot says his fiance comes in fourth? If she doesn't run after reading that she's as crazy as he is. I've heard of woman having to compete with the man's mother but his sister and niece. Maybe the incest thing isn't so far fetched.

[MiamiNice1]

What kind of idiot says his fiance comes in fourth? If she doesn't run after reading that she's as crazy as he is. I've heard of woman having to compete with the man's mother but his sister and niece. Maybe the incest thing isn't so far fetched.
I was floored - exactly - WHO says that?!? Kakax is right - Mallory should "run for the hills!"

I found it odd how Cindy was so CALM when they questioned her about the rumors of Lee and Casey. Her reaction was baffling to me.

[denjet]

That does not show a pic of that shirt much less a pic of Caylee wearing the shirt. Did you make an error in the link you were trying to post. I have never seen a pic of Caylee wearing that shirt... does anyone recall seeing such a pic?

Sorry try this:
There's a picture I've seen with her standing wearing the same shirt but this is the only one I could find
http://tinypic.com/r/sotwns/4

[AlohaRainbow]

I think...it might depend on...what his definition of "high" is...
(Thank you, Bill Clinton...you have no idea how appropriate this can be...for oh, so many occasions.)

Anyone picture him skipping down Hopespring Drive, whistling a little 59th Street Bridge Song from Simon and Garfunkle... and doing a Toyota kick when he reaches the end of the block! If we add the birds on his shoulders from Song of the South...I can almost LIVE HIS HAPPY.
(Sorry..I watched a lot of TV as a kid...)

JMO

zippadee do da! my oh my, what a wonderful day :insert technicolor rainbow here:

[Bala]

What kind of man thinks its great when his 19 year old daughter with no boyfriend, no job and still living at home gets pregnant? I suppose he thinks he's father of the year. The lies just keep getting worse every day.

[kakax]

It was prolly that great training from DC, dontcha know? j/k imo



Exactly LOL!

It is amazing the way he puts his theories together....a tip came in about Atlanta and Jesse moved to Athens (an hour and half away) then that means Jesse tooken Caylee. Oh and that a woman matching the description of Jesse's mother was in another tip. And a man that matched Jesse's description was in yet another. I believe I remember those tips and they were discounted. But Lee still believes it because it fits his evil little theory.

[kakax]

Sorry try this:
There's a picture I've seen with her standing wearing the same shirt but this is the only one I could find
http://tinypic.com/r/sotwns/4



Good find!!

[MiamiNice1]

It really is over the top. You said it perfectly. I understand nervous laughter to a certain degree. Been guilty of it myself...but good grief this isn't the first time he has been interviewed. He has such a high opinion of himself, it is sickening.

And Mallory needs to run for the hills. He says they haven't moved in together YET. Those poor grandchildren. When she has kids is really when she will wake up and see this family is nuts.
Everything you've said is so true! Poor Mallory!

Another instance where Lee made me laugh (yes, he DOES think highly of himself, ROFL!!) - how he wants to concentrate on getting married, having a family and a career.......WHAT career?!?! He made it clear in the depo that he does not want to be a private investigator.....

[kakax]

I was floored - exactly - WHO says that?!? Kakax is right - Mallory should "run for the hills!"

I found it odd how Cindy was so CALM when they questioned her about the rumors of Lee and Casey. Her reaction was baffling to me.




I would have been appalled at that line of questioning. You are right...weird that she didn't have more of a reaction. LKL weird.

[adair]

All the while Caylee's body is just a few houses down from them decaying. I think i am gonna go puke.

[MiamiNice1]

Exactly LOL!

It is amazing the way he puts his theories together....a tip came in about Atlanta and Jesse moved to Athens (an hour and half away) then that means Jesse tooken Caylee. Oh and that a woman matching the description of Jesse's mother was in another tip. And a man that matched Jesse's description was in yet another. I believe I remember those tips and they were discounted. But Lee still believes it because it fits his evil little theory.
THEN....regarding the Gas Station sighting.....when Lee is asked what exactly did he do to follow up on this tip, Lee claims he gave it to DCasey. DCasey then CLAIMED they gave him problems about releasing a video, etc....blah, blah, blah. End of story.

Lee, when asked by atty what DCasey has found out about anything......says DCasey discovered a John Hopkins in Jacksonville Beach and was going to have him followed. Noperoni. DCasey never had it done.

DCasey is a FRAUD, imo.

[AlohaRainbow]

I was so glad to see the portion on Zenaida on 48 Hours ... and of course Morgan's words were awesome ... at least it's one way of getting some national attention to all the trouble that KC has caused this poor woman ... I thought that part of the program was well done !! You go Zenaida !!
Others should follow her suit .... I bet Morgan would be happy respresent others who are being ruined by this family !!

the term "class action" lawsuit comes to mind :biggrin:

[MiamiNice1]

I would have been appalled at that line of questioning. You are right...weird that she didn't have more of a reaction. LKL weird.
BBM - :lol: I miss DickTracy!

Yes....I would have LUNGED at that question!!! Yet Cindy's reaction - NOTHING.

[kakax]

THEN....regarding the Gas Station sighting.....when Lee is asked what exactly did he do to follow up on this tip, Lee claims he gave it to DCasey. DCasey then CLAIMED they gave him problems about releasing a video, etc....blah, blah, blah. End of story.

Lee, when asked by atty what DCasey has found out about anything......says DCasey discovered a John Hopkins in Jacksonville Beach and was going to have him followed. Noperoni. DCasey never had it done.

DCasey is a FRAUD, imo.



No doubt. And the story about a Jeffery Hopkins that he was going to have tailed. Can you imagine having the same name as someone in this case? You would be looking over your shoulder all the time wondering if someone was following you.

It's all insane. Crazier as I read more.

Pru was saying she wasn't sure if she was going to read this...PRU YOU NEED TO READ IT! Even though it will drive you nuts LOL



ETA....I skipped over that whole line in your post about the Jeffery Hopkins rofl...it's late. I've been reading Anthonyisms too long LOL

[adair]

No doubt. And the story about a Jeffery Hopkins that he was going to have tailed. Can you imagine having the same name as someone in this case? You would be looking over your shoulder all the time wondering if someone was following you.

It's all insane. Crazier as I read more.

Pru was saying she wasn't sure if she was going to read this...PRU YOU NEED TO READ IT! Even though it will drive you nuts LOL



ETA....I skipped over that whole line in your post about the Jeffery Hopkins rofl...it's late. I've been reading Anthonyisms too long LOL


Lets just imagine....that Caylee is still alive and this is a REAL TIP...........What the hell. DC and all knew Caylee had left this earth.

jmo moo

[AlohaRainbow]

Anthonys Take Cruise After Big Payout For TV Interview (http://www.wftv.com/news/21338069/detail.html)
Make sure you check out the images ... Cindy was NOT happy to be caught on camera this time !:thumbsup:

from your link:
“It raises the question, why are the parents not in Puerto Rico or spending that money on the investigation to help further the research into finding Zenaida Gonzalez, or the alleged Zenaida Gonzalez, in Puerto Rico?” Dorner questioned.

[MiamiNice1]

No doubt. And the story about a Jeffery Hopkins that he was going to have tailed. Can you imagine having the same name as someone in this case? You would be looking over your shoulder all the time wondering if someone was following you.

It's all insane. Crazier as I read more.

Pru was saying she wasn't sure if she was going to read this...PRU YOU NEED TO READ IT! Even though it will drive you nuts LOL



ETA....I skipped over that whole line in your post about the Jeffery Hopkins rofl...it's late. I've been reading Anthonyisms too long LOL

BBM - Oops, sorry, I meant Jeffrey Hopkins! lol! I don't think I'd be looking over my shoulder, though....they are like the Keystone Cops!! :lol:

Yes, it was definitely worth the read!!!

ETA - Lee didn't have a clue that F. George completely demoralized Lee as an "investigator." ROFL!!

[kakax]

Lee's description of Zanny would have been great for an Amber Alert.
5'6 or 5'7,
100 pounds,
dark skin (don't know if its from a tanning bed or the pigment of her skin),
shoulder length hair,
doesn't have a wooden leg, i
s attractive.

[kakax]

BBM - Oops, sorry, I meant Jeffrey Hopkins! lol! I don't think I'd be looking over my shoulder, though....they are like the Keystone Cops!! :lol:

Yes, it was definitely worth the read!!!


I just meant when I read your post, I skipped over the line about Jeffery accidentally. My eyes are crossing and I'm no longer making sense. rofl

[kakax]

Ok one last little notation about inconsistencies and education.

Casey was almost fluent in Spanish according to Cindy. Lee says she didn't speak Spanish at all rofl.

They kill me.

[cuddlyrunner]

I'm way behind as usual-I'm on page 10 and just read that Cindy is not the first Mrs George Anthony! Is that true? Did we know that? have we heard from the first Mrs Anthony??

[AlohaRainbow]

From a real college? I haven't "seen the paperwork" (to use a Cindyism) so I'm not sure that degree exists. Did it say if he attained this degree right after high school, or if he attended later in life? I don't suppose it says where? Fascinating...I dont know why...but it intrigues me!
I wonder if Cindy also has a bachelor's degree, or a nursing certificate instead, and when she attended. Anyone know if she was a nurse in Ohio before they relocated? (I'm guessing, if we ask her...it is from an Ivy League school.)

JMO

cindy attended a hospital-based nursing program (typically those were 3 year programs). she and george met when she was the nurse for george's sister.

and george claims a bachelor in business adminsitration... with a minor in art. LOL! he doesn't strike me as the artsy type :blink: [or the business type, either!]

[kakax]

I'm way behind as usual-I'm on page 10 and just read that Cindy is not the first Mrs George Anthony! Is that true? Did we know that? have we heard from the first Mrs Anthony??
I didn't know that until this depo. Both Cindy and George confirmed so I assume it's true. Haven't heard from the 1st Mrs. Anthony...would love to though.

[alwaysontopi]

I'm way behind as usual-I'm on page 10 and just read that Cindy is not the first Mrs George Anthony! Is that true? Did we know that? have we heard from the first Mrs Anthony??

This is almost too much to take in and read. Wish there weren't so many Ums in Lee's. And ignorance too, don't forget that.

[alwaysontopi]

I didn't know that until this depo. Both Cindy and George confirmed so I assume it's true. Haven't heard from the 1st Mrs. Anthony...would love to though.

GA had been married before? I did not know that either. Bet she would shed some light on things, huh?

[Dierdra]

Yes , George was married prior to Cynthia> Is that news to you now???? You better get up on it????Wow, old news!:confused::confused::confused:

[kakax]

Yes , George was married prior to Cynthia> Is that news to you now???? You better get up on it????Wow, old news!:confused::confused::confused:



There is so much information in this case...hard to keep up with it all!

[Pomme]

Yes , George was married prior to Cynthia> Is that news to you now???? You better get up on it????Wow, old news!:confused::confused::confused:

Wow - take a chill pill - I'm sure no one could get 100% score on an 'Anthony' test - there's so so much info in this case!

Add me to those who didn't know he was married before.

[jammies]

Oooh ... wonder why he asked THIS question?

Ashton: You talked about Caylee being able to get her own breakfast, open the fridge, operate the TV.

Cindy: Uh huh.

Ashton: Did you have a VCR or a DVD player?

Cindy: Yes. She could do the DVD and VCR as well.

Ashton: So she was able -- she had the dexterity to --

Cindy: Oh, absolutely.

Now what was the reason for Ashton's follow-up question about Caylee's dexterity, I wonder? He wasn't asking full lines of questions, he was just following up on things Linda had asked earlier. He wanted to make a point, imo, about Caylee's dexterity.

This MUST have something to do with evidence they have of cause or manner of death, imo.


Struck me the same, Say. There would be no reason to ask those questions if they didn't pertain to something very important.
My first thought was the duct tape covering her face......... that she wouldn't have been able to get it off. Just a guess. :crying:

[MomofaMarine]

A new thread has been started for today 10/20.

[Scampi]

There'd be no evidence of that, I don't think. There were no prints at all on the 3 pieces of duct tape from her skull per the FBI lab reports in the most recent doc dump.

I'm going at the moment with tox evidence of something -- some chemical or drug that knocked her out. Perhaps the maggot evidence will indicate that. Or, an additional piece(s) of duct tape found with her remains -- but it would be tough to prove where that piece had been, unlike the pieces found on her skull.

We have to think in terms of what convinced the state the murder was premeditated and so provable they put the DP back on the table.

If Jim Thompson's story is true, that KC and Caylee were at the Walmart on June 16, I wonder if LE knows what she bought. Thompson said it was a small bag KC was clutching. Could it have been some type of over the counter drug that produced lethargy in Caylee? This would have been hours before she murdered her, imo.

[LadyHam]

Bringing over my post from last night and I think needs to be looked into more than I did
It's the "Stranger dna on the duct tape". I think the following means that the DNA could not be determined to be either a male or a female therefore no further testing could be done.

I found this and wonder if anyone would have more information than I found. I know DNA is hard to understand but it says the FBI did the test and the stranger's DNA can't be determined to be either a male or female????

My opinion is the DNA test is not identified as either male or female. The Amelogenin locus determines sex. Therefore it cannot be tested for a conclusion.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backis...00/shewale.htm

Desmom provided us w/this link y-day:

Docs: Baez, P.I. Disagreed On Payment
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21341783/detail.html

From the link:

According to court documents reviewed by Local 6 investigative reporter Tony Pipitone, the DNA Kenney-Baden is referring to is consistent with another FBI analyst who touched the tape. There is not enough DNA to say it was the analyst for sure, but there is also not enough evidence for the defense to go as far as to say it was a stranger's DNA.

So basically, this tells me that this is not some unknown DNA of a stranger. It was consistent w/another FBI analyst, however there was not enough of that DNA to test for it definitively. I think this gives us enough in that the defense will not be able to say at trial that this is some "stranger's" DNA. However, that will not stop them from saying that in the media.:glare:

I always thought the the unidentified DNA was probably that of one of the lab techs or the CSI's processing the scene. If none of Caylee's DNA survived for 6 months out in the elements, then I don't think the DNA of her murderer would either. I just think the remains had too much time out in the elements to have any DNA left to help solve this crime. Not that it wasn't there to begin with, but time and the elements washed it away. I think this will be a dead end for the defense at trial, however now when they are trying this case in the media they are treating it like it is exonerating evidence. It is not. If it was, then Casey would already be out of jail.

[LadyHam]

Im curious who will tell Casey or has told Casey the parental units were cruising, enjoying endless food fests?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Maybe she will hear all about it on her radio? :D

[LadyHam]

Why would Cindy lie about never having seen the "Big Trouble comes in small packages" shirt? There are pictures of Caylee wearing it ...
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
I can't find the other one that shows her standing with it on ... but why would Cindy lie about it knowing there are pictures out there of Caylee wearing it .... ??

The only explanation is that she is lying. She is trying to remove Caylee from wearing that shirt because it was found at the crime scene and it could be used to tie Casey to the crime.

[cassidy]

Maybe she will hear all about it on her radio? :D

I'll bet she doesn't think they "deserve" it.

[hello its me]

from your link:
“It raises the question, why are the parents not in Puerto Rico or spending that money on the investigation to help further the research into finding Zenaida Gonzalez, or the alleged Zenaida Gonzalez, in Puerto Rico?” Dorner questioned.

I was in Puerto Rico last week on a cruise (NOT with the Anthonys thank the Lord). Didn't run into the nanny or Caylee.

These people are just soooooo unbelievably shallow and self-serving.