10/17 thru 11/9 --Morgan D. Harrington, 20, student UVT, 10/17/09 -

[n/t]

No new details that I could find online. My first question is who was she with? I doubt she went to a concert alone. :shrug:

Praying she's safe.

[Riverwalk!]

On HLN now: Presser with LE and parents: UVA is handling this even though she went to VTech. This is a MISSING PERSON'S case per LE.

Dad, Dan Harrington, thanking LE and UVA for helping. "Please bring her home. Showing lots of other pictures of her. Not typical of her.

Mom's speaking. Pleading for help. She has a math test tomorrow and we need her home."

Q: What are you doing to find her? Dogs brought in?

A: Interviews with lots of people who saw her at the concert. Heli was brought in today.

HLN cut off the presser :cursing:

ETA: This news station generally repeats every hour.

[omsk99]

I couldn't find anything new online that hasn't been already posted.

I am curious, though, why she left earlier, and if she did leave earlier than her friends, why was she supposed to meet up with them after the concert (as per one of the articles). And where did she go? Did she drive there? She called a friend at 8L30 pm, what was it about?.. So many questions, as always... :confused:

[Lynden1000]

If she was looking around for her friends - perhaps looking confused or frustrated - i hope some perv didn't offer to give her a ride home. :sad:

[VC2]

Wasn't there another missing girl from a metallica concert? They even put up a reward for finding her?

Making me think, with all of the concerts kids go to that two of the ones that make the news disappear after a metallica one... roadie perhaps?

imo

[VC2]

i may be wrong on it, but i swear i felt a sense of deja vue and it wasn't about metallica's song.

also...poor mom, she has to be completely distraught to even be thinking of her daughters math test as important right now.

imo

[Justins Mom]

2 girls come to mind

Dail Dinwiddie who went missing in SC the night of a U2 concert
and more recently Tracey Testo from the Baltimore MD area after a Motley Crue concert

I am praying this story has a happy ending

[VC2]

2 girls come to mind

Dail Dinwiddie who went missing in SC the night of a U2 concert
and more recently Tracey Testo from the Baltimore MD area after a Motley Crue concert

I am praying this story has a happy ending

It was motley crue. Thanks JM. got the two mixed up. ALmost would have preferred it was the same bx it would be a starting point.

The battery from the phone being removed is not good at all. Sounds like someone who knows what they are doing.

[debbadoo]

Wasn't there another missing girl from a metallica concert? They even put up a reward for finding her?

Making me think, with all of the concerts kids go to that two of the ones that make the news disappear after a metallica one... roadie perhaps?

imo

That was Motley Crue.....I cannot think of the name off of the top of my head, but thinking the name is Tracy for some reason. Yes, the band did put up some money, not sure if it was for reward or towards the search.

ETA....I guess I should have read the next comment! Sorry!

[dulcinea]

I'm not sure why someone would remove a battery from a cell phone, especially since her purse was left behind where she was last seen. The phone would not be pinging anywhere useful in tracking her. If they (not she) removed the battery that suggests to me she was under some sort of control as it would take a bit to do and restrain the girl at the same time. Does that make sense? I suppose she could have been forced to do it. Was the battery found? Might there be another reason for the battery being removed? Admittedly this does not sound good.

(O/T regarding Tracy Tetso, she still has a thread here. I think her husband has been charged with her murder but her body has not been found.)

[n/t]

I'm not sure why someone would remove a battery from a cell phone, especially since her purse was left behind where she was last seen. The phone would not be pinging anywhere useful in tracking her. If they (not she) removed the battery that suggests to me she was under some sort of control as it would take a bit to do and restrain the girl at the same time. Does that make sense? I suppose she could have been forced to do it. Was the battery found? Might there be another reason for the battery being removed? Admittedly this does not sound good.

(O/T regarding Tracy Tetso, she still has a thread here. I think her husband has been charged with her murder but her body has not been found.)

I wish I could remember what thread I read it on....I think it was Kristi Cornwell or Nicholas Francisco. Apparently there's still a way to intercept the ping if the phone is turned off, however not if the battery is taken out. I'll see if I can find where it was posted.

If the battery was taken out, the perp knew what he was doing.

[bugout]

this so reminds me of marybeth smith. She left a womens convention in AL, her husband was a "PASTOR" and she had chidren. She left of her own volition and was found living in NY after many months went by. Her husbands family would not talk to the media.
They divorced and she eventually returned to the area to be near her children. I have not heard about her since. Everyone thought her kidnapped, and dead.
This case to me sounds like she could have left voluntarily and I wonder, if there was any drug issue.

[omsk99]

this so reminds me of marybeth smith. She left a womens convention in AL, her husband was a "PASTOR" and she had chidren. She left of her own volition and was found living in NY after many months went by. Her husbands family would not talk to the media.
They divorced and she eventually returned to the area to be near her children. I have not heard about her since. Everyone thought her kidnapped, and dead.
This case to me sounds like she could have left voluntarily and I wonder, if there was any drug issue.

I do hope she left voluntarily, but unlike Mary Beth Smith, she didn't really have any responsibilities or an unhappy life to run away from (like kids, marriage, whatever else Beth Smith didn't want to deal with). I also think driving your friends to a concert and then taking off is just an odd way to take off on your own. The fact that her purse and cell phone (without the battery) have been found is not a good sign, either. JMO

[n/t]

I wonder if she was going to meet up with someone? Maybe someone she met on the internet who said they were going to the same concert and she decided to hook up?

I hope they check her computer records. If the battery is missing, I'm guessing there's no way for them to check the phone but they can check with the provider for all records of incoming and outgoing calls?

[leema24]

A little bit more info about Morgan in this recent article:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-tech-student-morgan-dana-harrington-disappears-concert/story?id=8872201

According to this report, she didn't/doesn't have a boy-friend.

Also, per this article, she was supposed to visit her parents that Sunday, and they reported her missing. Why didn't her friends get in touch with her parents when they couldn't find her? Didn't she drive them there, so they knew she had no other means of transportation? I am not saying her friends had something to do with it, it's very possible all the details are not being reported. We do know that she had arrived at the concert (besides her friends' story), because she called her parents to tell them she had arrived at the concert.

I am sure they are checking her computer, but, n/t, you have made a good point - since she didn't have a BF, maybe she had arranged to meet someone there, via Internet or otherwise?..

I'm a bit perplexed by the friends too. But like you said, not all details are being reported so there could be more to it. But I do wonder why they didn't call her parents. It sounds like Morgan was in touch with her parents on a very regular basis.

But if Morgan drove, how did the friends get home? I'm not trying to blame the friends for anything but I would have a tough time leaving the concert not knowing where my friend was. This kind of reminds me a little of the William Hurley case in that sense (of course his friends knew his gf was coming to pick him up). Friends need to look out for each other at sporting events, concerts, etc!

[omsk99]

I'm a bit perplexed by the friends too. But like you said, not all details are being reported so there could be more to it. But I do wonder why they didn't call her parents. It sounds like Morgan was in touch with her parents on a very regular basis.

But if Morgan drove, how did the friends get home? I'm not trying to blame the friends for anything but I would have a tough time leaving the concert not knowing where my friend was. This kind of reminds me a little of the William Hurley case in that sense (of course his friends knew his gf was coming to pick him up). Friends need to look out for each other at sporting events, concerts, etc!

And that also reminds me of Brittanee Drexel's case - where she went on vacation with her friends and no one still knows what happened.

It's been said she drove the car, but it doesn't say it was her car (I remember getting an impression it was a rental car, or someone else's), so I am assuming they drove that same car back, so they either had another set of keys (which would be odd, but not impossible), or she gave them the keys (in case it was her friend's car). Still very puzzling that they didn't alert anyone.

[Lynden1000]

A little bit more info about Morgan in this recent article:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-tech-student-morgan-dana-harrington-disappears-concert/story?id=8872201

According to this report, she didn't/doesn't have a boy-friend.

Also, per this article, she was supposed to visit her parents that Sunday, and they reported her missing. Why didn't her friends get in touch with her parents when they couldn't find her? Didn't she drive them there, so they knew she had no other means of transportation? I am not saying her friends had something to do with it, it's very possible all the details are not being reported. We do know that she had arrived at the concert (besides her friends' story), because she called her parents to tell them she had arrived at the concert.

I am sure they are checking her computer, but, n/t, you have made a good point - since she didn't have a BF, maybe she had arranged to meet someone there, via Internet or otherwise?..

I'm thinking maybe the friends met up with boyfriends who then supplied the rides home. It might have been understood beforehand that this would be the arrangement and therefore no one felt obliged to meet up or check in with the gang before heading home.

Wish we'd get more details.

[TBIBeg]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=359660

[grammie/va]

Sorry, I didn't realise there was a thread on this. I have notified Coldwater.

[TBIBeg]

Sorry, I didn't realise there was a thread on this. I have notified Coldwater.

No apology necessary, just wanted you to know that there was a discussion going on.


Thanks!

[n/t]

This bothers me.

"Melvin said Harrington went outside before Metallica took the stage. She said she wasn’t sure why."

The link posted by leema upthread. Why would she go outside even before the concert started or the main attraction band - Metallica?? Was she was going to meet up with someone. I hate to say this but was it a drugs? Maybe she wanted to get high before the concert? Is that why the friends are not saying much?

I hated posting that but I'm trying to keep an open mind and looking at all possibilities. Of course, it could also mean she needed to use the washroom but why would she go outside? And how did the friend know she went outside and wasn't still in the building?

[n/t]

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/parents_of_the_missing_vt_student_speak_out/55987/

Her parents speak out.

Thanks for the link. Again, it sounds like she was a huge Metallica fan. There's no way in he!! she would leave before they got on stage unless it was something she needed to do.

o/t My bro went to the concert here in Montreal and he said it was out of this world. I'm sure Morgan being a fan wouldn't have wanted to miss it. So many questions.

[n/t]

And that also reminds me of Brittanee Drexel's case - where she went on vacation with her friends and no one still knows what happened.

It's been said she drove the car, but it doesn't say it was her car (I remember getting an impression it was a rental car, or someone else's), so I am assuming they drove that same car back, so they either had another set of keys (which would be odd, but not impossible), or she gave them the keys (in case it was her friend's car). Still very puzzling that they didn't alert anyone.

The link upthread said 'her car' but then again, maybe they got it wrong. :shrug:

[birdwatch]

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/parents_of_the_missing_vt_student_speak_out/55987/

Her parents speak out. OK now we know that the friends said that they waited around for her for several hours. And we know that she is a really normal, regular, responsible person. So why on earth did they not call anyone - her parents? 911? The phone thing is odd. I can see if someone threw the phone down hard the battery could come out. But then the battery would be there somewhere. And her purse being left behind just scares me to death. Bad sign, imo.:sad:

[n/t]

Do we know if anything was missing from her purse? Money, wallet, ID?

[birdwatch]

This bothers me.

"Melvin said Harrington went outside before Metallica took the stage. She said she wasn’t sure why."

The link posted by leema upthread. Why would she go outside even before the concert started or the main attraction band - Metallica?? Was she was going to meet up with someone. I hate to say this but was it a drugs? Maybe she wanted to get high before the concert? Is that why the friends are not saying much?

I hated posting that but I'm trying to keep an open mind and looking at all possibilities. Of course, it could also mean she needed to use the washroom but why would she go outside? And how did the friend know she went outside and wasn't still in the building?

Just what I was thinking! One article just said they got seperated - another said she went outside. I can't imagine how her friends would possibly know if she went outside......... something very wrong there.

[n/t]

Just what I was thinking! One article just said they got seperated - another said she went outside. I can't imagine how her friends would possibly know if she went outside......... something very wrong there.

The only way they would know is if she told them, imo. Could she have been feeling ill but didn't want to tell her friends? Or other scenarios I posted above.

[merical]

There's definitely a lot of information we aren't getting. I've been to enough concerts to know that there are usually 'common' areas outside of the actual seating/performance area but you can't get to those areas until you've gone through a line, been scanned by a metal detector and and had your ticket taken. Security guards are everywhere. There is no going in and out of the venue. You're either inside with the other ticketed fans or you are outside with access to the parking areas, period. That being said, if someone wanted to 'kidnap' her, why would they take the time to take the battery out of her phone and leave her phone and purse behind? If you're going to leave the phone, you don't have any reason to take the battery out. Right? If you were planning on snatching some girl from a concert (which, by the way, is about the dumbest thing I've heard considering the number of guards, cameras, surveillance equipment, etc.) wouldn't you take her purse, too? You wouldn't leave it behind as a big 'clue' that something bad happened to her.

Nope. My guess is that there is more going on here. If the information we do have is accurate, then this purse/phone was put there intentionally. This thing is staged. Having been to a number of concerts as a college student, females don't even go to the bathroom alone. My hinky meter is going off. I'm not accusing the friends, but something isn't right. IMO.

[n/t]

There's definitely a lot of information we aren't getting. I've been to enough concerts to know that there are usually 'common' areas outside of the actual seating/performance area but you can't get to those areas until you've gone through a line, been scanned by a metal detector and and had your ticket taken. Security guards are everywhere. There is no going in and out of the venue. You're either inside with the other ticketed fans or you are outside with access to the parking areas, period. That being said, if someone wanted to 'kidnap' her, why would they take the time to take the battery out of her phone and leave her phone and purse behind? If you're going to leave the phone, you don't have any reason to take the battery out. Right? If you were planning on snatching some girl from a concert (which, by the way, is about the dumbest thing I've heard considering the number of guards, cameras, surveillance equipment, etc.) wouldn't you take her purse, too? You wouldn't leave it behind as a big 'clue' that something bad happened to her.

Nope. My guess is that there is more going on here. If the information we do have is accurate, then this purse/phone was put there intentionally. This thing is staged. Having been to a number of concerts as a college student, females don't even go to the bathroom alone. My hinky meter is going off. I'm not accusing the friends, but something isn't right. IMO.

Good points. I wonder how well she knew these friends.

Could she have gotten disoriented from alcohol/drugs and gone outside and passed out and someone grabbed her? But then again, I'm sure security would've seen something.

I don't know what to make of this. I agree that something isn't right or we're missing some very important details that they're not saying.

[KaraokeDiva]

This is pretty much my neighborhood... I live just outside of Harrisonburg....

eta...mom sounds like she is somewhat in denial about why the friends didn't mention the fact that she was missing for so darn long.

Curiouser....

[n/t]

This is pretty much my neighborhood... I live just outside of Harrisonburg....

Any thoughts about the area? The arena? Is it located on a busy street?

[BorderCollieMom]

This bothers me.

"Melvin said Harrington went outside before Metallica took the stage. She said she wasn’t sure why."

The link posted by leema upthread. Why would she go outside even before the concert started or the main attraction band - Metallica?? Was she was going to meet up with someone. I hate to say this but was it a drugs? Maybe she wanted to get high before the concert? Is that why the friends are not saying much?

I hated posting that but I'm trying to keep an open mind and looking at all possibilities. Of course, it could also mean she needed to use the washroom but why would she go outside? And how did the friend know she went outside and wasn't still in the building?



I could be wrong but I think theres a real good possibility she left the arena with someone to do some drugs, probably just smoke some pot real quick .... or do a shot of liquor real quick.

Its common to do this at concerts of all kinds of music....especially rock & rap.

I think her friends know more.

Does she have a connection to Texas ? Or family in Texas ? I ask because of the Pantera shirt.

On Nancy Grace someone reported that she called her friends from the parking lot.
I didnt catch what the conversation was about.


all jmo

[KaraokeDiva]

Any thoughts about the area? The arena? Is it located on a busy street?

I'm local to JMU, not the arena...Browneyes could give us more info at the area surrounding the arena if she's here.

I just know loads of JMU kids along with many VT students.

[n/t]

I could be wrong but I think theres a real good possibility she left the arena with someone to do some drugs, probably just smoke some pot real quick .... or do a shot of liquor real quick.

Its common to do this at concerts of all kinds of music....especially rock & rap.

I think her friends know more.

Does she have a connection to Texas ? Or family in Texas ? I ask because of the Pantera shirt.

On Nancy Grace someone reported that she called her friends from the parking lot.
I didnt catch what the conversation was about.


all jmo

I'm not watching Nancy but that's interesting if she called her friends from the parking lot. Is that when she told them she was outside? I wonder if she lost her ticket and couldn't get back in but why wouldn't she have told her friends that?

Geeez.....the possibilities are endless.

[KaraokeDiva]

I'm local to JMU, not the arena...Browneyes could give us more info at the area surrounding the arena if she's here.

I just know loads of JMU kids along with many VT students.Quoting myself to say that if the poster known as Butterflydragon or BFD.V2 was honest about his location, he should be able to provide excellent info on the case. Is he still about? If so, is he honestly local to C-ville?

[Justins Mom]

Another angle is if Morgan met up (or planned to) meet up with someone in C Ville. Only been there once and do not have bearings on where the arena is - Just went o to Monticello.

Is there a way to check her computer and cell phone records if she has them?

Keep thinking about the preachers wife who used a concert or seminar to skip town for deep in the south and end up in NY state to start over.

Is there any news on Morgan. I pray she is found safe......

[Justins Mom]

re reading and see her purse and cell phone were found in parking lot
but with the battery missing?

[merical]

Okay, lets just say she DID leave the concert temporarily and went outside. Maybe she met up with someone, maybe she got high, maybe she was being stalked, it doesn't explain why the phone and purse were left in the parking lot with only the phone battery missing. What would be the point of that? Typically, isn't the battery removed to prevent the phone from pinging and potentially giving searchers an idea of its general location? If a potential kidnapper did this, why bother if they were just going to leave the phone in the parking lot, anyway?

[Adalena935]

There's definitely a lot of information we aren't getting. I've been to enough concerts to know that there are usually 'common' areas outside of the actual seating/performance area but you can't get to those areas until you've gone through a line, been scanned by a metal detector and and had your ticket taken. Security guards are everywhere. There is no going in and out of the venue. You're either inside with the other ticketed fans or you are outside with access to the parking areas, period. That being said, if someone wanted to 'kidnap' her, why would they take the time to take the battery out of her phone and leave her phone and purse behind? If you're going to leave the phone, you don't have any reason to take the battery out. Right? If you were planning on snatching some girl from a concert (which, by the way, is about the dumbest thing I've heard considering the number of guards, cameras, surveillance equipment, etc.) wouldn't you take her purse, too? You wouldn't leave it behind as a big 'clue' that something bad happened to her.

Nope. My guess is that there is more going on here. If the information we do have is accurate, then this purse/phone was put there intentionally. This thing is staged. Having been to a number of concerts as a college student, females don't even go to the bathroom alone. My hinky meter is going off. I'm not accusing the friends, but something isn't right. IMO.

I so agree. Is the only source of information about her (after she called her folks saying she had arrived at the concert) her friends?

It appears staged to me too given what scant information we have from news. What a horrible thing. Her poor parents. What a lovely young woman.

[Adalena935]

This says police found a piece of black cloth and kept it as evidence. The way they're asking for anyone having taken pictures to notify them if they find anyone that looks like Megan; it sounds to me like LE's trying to verify if Megan was ever physically at the concert. Is it possible someone forced her to make that call to her parents saying she had arrived at the concert? Anyway she was wearing all black that night it's said. I so hope they find her unharmed soon.

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/64718837.html

Morgan Harrington was last seen wearing a black Pantera shirt, a black skirt, black tights, and knee high black boots. She's 5'6" and weighs about 120 lbs.

[BassMan]

I hope that LE has seized her computer, checked her facebook acct and her cell phone records.

If she had these tickets posted for 6 months on her fridge, then someone knew she was going to that concert. I am sure she didn't keep it a secret.

I would like to know if she lived at home or on her own.

I live in Va and to me (native Texan) VA is not that "big". It shouldn't be hard to get a substantial lead in this case.

[dulcinea]

This says police found a piece of black cloth and kept it as evidence. The way they're asking for anyone having taken pictures to notify them if they find anyone that looks like Megan; it sounds to me like LE's trying to verify if Megan was ever physically at the concert. Is it possible someone forced her to make that call to her parents saying she had arrived at the concert? Anyway she was wearing all black that night it's said. I so hope they find her unharmed soon.

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/64718837.html

Hmmm....When I heard about her purse being found and the battery out of the cell, I did wonder if she staged her disappearance. I don't know why she'd do that other than maybe the pressure of school got to her. It's happened in several other cases involving responsible young people.

Interesting take on why LE wants pictures of Morgan. I took it to mean they wanted to know if they could spot anyone she might be with who might know what happened to her or had anything to do with harming her.

[tarabull1]

I think Morgan's friends know more than they are saying...

[n/t]

Help Find Morgan Dana Harrington Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=162224546575&ref=search&sid=666482915.1685764065..1

[leema24]

Metallica has posted about Morgan on their website.
http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=602638

Several articles mention that her car was left in the parking lot. Do they mean it was still there when the concert was over and the friends returned to the lot? Or did the friends leave the car there?

Also, I'm trying to go back and see if Morgan's wallet and phone were found near her car? Or somewhere else in the lot?

[tootie]

I think Morgan's friends know more than they are saying...

I do too. I don't understand why they won't come forward and say more than what they are saying? They need to come totally clean, they aren't helping Morgan by keeping their mouths shut. Why would they leave without her and then not call the parents for over 16 hours. The dad had to call her friends to find out she was missing. That was precious time wasted.

[carterkatt]

Quoting myself to say that if the poster known as Butterflydragon or BFD.V2 was honest about his location, he should be able to provide excellent info on the case. Is he still about? If so, is he honestly local to C-ville?

KDiva - you have an excellent memory! I "met" BFD several years ago on a different case on here. Yes! He is from that area!!! He's a very respected, smart poster!

Anyone seen him around lately? PM him???

[Uvachik]

I went to UVA and I currently work in Charlottesville. Just to answer some of the questions that I read...JPJ is a fairly new stadium to Charlottesville (I think the first concert was in 2006). Charlottesville is kind of divided up into two sections: UVA grounds (campus) and the rest of Charlottesville. JPJ is on the edge of the UVA campus right near some student housing, across the street from a hotel and it is one of the many stops for the UVA bus route, which links up with the Charlottesville bus route. Behind JPJ is a wooded area. The block was a kind of marshy, wooded area prior to the building of JPJ and after it was built, they left some of the wooded area still standing (this is where the creek is that the police found the black material). Beyond this wooded area (probably only 200 yards wide) is a popular shopping center.

But, without using her car, Morgan still had access to transportation as the buses run frequently on Saturday nights.

[carterkatt]

I did pm BFD (thanks for the idea KDiva!). He's not posted in a long time, so who knows if he reads or if his email will him know he has a new PM.

Uvachik - thanks for your input and perspective!

How far is the creek, where you say LE found the black cloth? Very close?
TIA

[Uvachik]

I don't know the exact spot where they found it, but I know that the creek runs down the back side of JPJ. The creek, not the exact spot where the cloth was found, is probably 150 yards away.

[Uvachik]

One other thing...JPJ does have a common outside area for people who want to smoke. You can access this area only after you enter. They have guards at the door as you go out. Also, they have signs posted at the entry/exit of the arena stating that if you leave you will not be admitted back in. They also usually have people standing there that will tell you that you will not be able to get back in. So, if Morgan left, she had to have known that she wasn't getting back in.

And, I read that she called her friends once outside to tell them that she couldn't get back in. So, maybe she told them something else that they aren't mentioning about how she was going to get home and that is why they didn't really worry and call her parents. (Because if she was locked out of the concert before Metallica even started, she had a lot of time to spare before the concert would be over).

[n/t]

They said her purse and cellphone were found. What about her car keys? Could she have gone to her car to get something she had forgotten? Was it confirmed if the car was hers?

Someone on facebook mentioned the word "Normandy". What is that?

She apparently purchased the tickets 6 months ago. This tells me she really wanted to go to this concert so I can't understand why she would leave and why call her friends from the parking lot??

There's alot that's not being said. What did Morgan tell her friends from the parking lot?

[btb079]

I saw Metallica last week in Minneapolis. Once you were in, you were in. There was a small area with a fence up that smokers could go out and smoke, but if you left that area, you were not getting back in.

This makes no sense to me. If she's the Metallica fan that her parents say, why on earth would she leave the arena before the show. I am really confused.

[BevAnn]

1- her supposed love of Metallica
2- buying tickets 6 months ahead
3- prob very familiar with venue rules, and that you can't leave
4- call to her friends, but no one else
5- LE looking for pics from the event


All these add up to me thinking she never MADE it to the concert.

Question - tickets are #'d. Could whoever (?) go back to their records, find her purchase of that ticket, get the ticket #, and compare it to ones turned in the night of the concert? See, if her ticket was ever actually redeemed?

[n/t]

1- her supposed love of Metallica
2- buying tickets 6 months ahead
3- prob very familiar with venue rules, and that you can't leave
4- call to her friends, but no one else
5- LE looking for pics from the event


All these add up to me thinking she never MADE it to the concert.

Question - tickets are #'d. Could whoever (?) go back to their records, find her purchase of that ticket, get the ticket #, and compare it to ones turned in the night of the concert? See, if her ticket was ever actually redeemed?

Absolutely they can check and they can probably locate anyone sitting in the same area she was and question them. The area where she was supposed to have her seat is mentioned in the facebook page.

Maybe she never made it inside? Why would her friends lie about that though?

[BevAnn]

I dont know n/t....that's the problem. Are they trying to cover up something for her maybe?

[debbadoo]

1- her supposed love of Metallica
2- buying tickets 6 months ahead
3- prob very familiar with venue rules, and that you can't leave
4- call to her friends, but no one else
5- LE looking for pics from the event


All these add up to me thinking she never MADE it to the concert.

Question - tickets are #'d. Could whoever (?) go back to their records, find her purchase of that ticket, get the ticket #, and compare it to ones turned in the night of the concert? See, if her ticket was ever actually redeemed?

I went to Metallica where I live a couple of weeks ago. Our tickets were scanned at the door (as are all tickets for any show/hockey game/conventions), so I am fairly certain that had she got IN the door, that it would have been recorded that she had (if it was indeed her that used the ticket). I know when we enter our arena, there are cameras at every door, so when your ticket is being scanned, it gets a fairly good shot of everyone who is entering the arena. Our arena has cameras everywhere and it was built in 04, so this arena would most likely have them as well.

I hope they are watching every INCH of tape to see if she was in or near the building that night. I just pray that they find a lead that pans out. This is a very odd case, and someone is lying about what went on. I also must say, good on Metallica for posting this on their website.....

[Maelstrom5]

1- her supposed love of Metallica
2- buying tickets 6 months ahead
3- prob very familiar with venue rules, and that you can't leave
4- call to her friends, but no one else
5- LE looking for pics from the event


All these add up to me thinking she never MADE it to the concert.

Question - tickets are #'d. Could whoever (?) go back to their records, find her purchase of that ticket, get the ticket #, and compare it to ones turned in the night of the concert? See, if her ticket was ever actually redeemed?

Hi BevAnn,

Your Number 3 is not necessarily correct. This is a new venue, and Morgan goes to Va. Tech. which is in Blacksburg, not U of Va. which is in Charlottesville. The distance between the two schools is about 150 miles. It possible Morgan had never been to the John Paul Jones Arena before.

The most logical reason to go back out would be because she forgot something or was hoping to find something outside. A loose joint perhaps? And if that’s the case, then that’s something her friends would not want to tell the press about but hopefully have told the police.

[BevAnn]

Hey Peter! Long time no...talk. LOL :biggrin:

Let me clarify what I meant by that....I figure being a college age student, and probably being familiar with concert/sporting event, etc, type activities, she should have known, that in this day and age, you get in, but you don't get out, until after the event is over, unless you plan to leave and not return.

I know, a lot of assumptions there, and I may indeed be wrong on her "knowing" the common "rules" of such type activities.

Maybe my use of the word, venue, wasn't the correct way to relay what I meant! Sorry! :wink:

[bugout]

Hello M and hugs to all. This case, really sounds to me like she was planning to walk away. I guess it's the MaryBethSmith case that I'm really pointing towards, the similarities are striking.
Yes most concerts, most people know no matter the venue once you are IN you are IN and this hasn't changed in years.
AND, when you leave, there is quite a confrontation, they do tell you if you go out that door, you are not coming back in, period.
Either she was meeting someone there (I hope LE is all over her home PC and cell phone records) because it sounds to me like she had a plan to meet someone there. No intention of seeing the band.
People do take off from pressures in life, pressure to lead a life mom and and dad wants for them vs the life they really want to live.

If she had been planning something for 6 months, it would be pretty well planned out. I wonder about her grades, drug use, and of course who she was meeting if anyone, and if her PC will help LE lead them to that person. Meeting people off the net can be extremely dangerous, it can be fun but you have to be so very careful. For me, I am not comfortable meeting people off the net. I know that younger people are, and people who are dating, this is very normal. For me though, people always embellish who they really are, or what they are and usually I myself am NOT what people are expecting when they meet me.
I was in a position for a few years where I did have to meet with people at events that first were dealt with online. This was very uncomfortable to me. You cannot KNOW someone simply from what they write online. You cannot know the whole person anyway. But merely a small part of that person is revealed via the written word.

I really hope that LE has her online records, email records, cell phone records and are ON THOSE like flies on well, you know. Time is of the essence in these cases, and I'm tired of wishy washy LE that claim
there is no evidence of foul play etc etc. If the person is MISSING, they should NEVER rule out foul play. I want LE to change the box they work within when it comes to missing persons cases. They think inside a small box, just look at Somer's case. No school notification no amber alert right away, it's a travesty. No clues.

When MBS left that womens convention, took a bathroom break and never returned everyone said, she would not do this, she would just leave her family, her kids, her church, her school job, etc etc. But, she did. She had her reasons, a bad relationship and not everyone knows the proper way or the right way to leave, sometimes to up and leave, is the only way out or so the person thinks. It can be so hurtful to people who love them. Very hurtful. But sometimes, stress and commitments and restraints and deadlines, are too much and people do crack. I think her battery being out of the phone, is a good indication to me that she may have left on her own. I'd like to know what type of bag she had with her, did she have a large bag, was the bag found just a smaller bag inside a larger one, which I do all the time.

I have so many questions. But I am keeping in mind, MaryBeth.
:rose: I hope she is safe and is alive and this isn't an abduction.

When her mother said she doesn't date, hardly at all that really sent up a flag, that she maybe got with someone that over powered her, or a situation she didn't know how to get "out of" and say no thanks, I'm out of here.....you know what i mean? She's young and so very beautiful!
If she was meeting someone from the net, that she really didn't know, she could be in serious trouble. Or she could have planned this, to start a new life.
I wonder if her grades were pressing down on her, why is there so little info about her records, online, and why have we not heard from her friends? I'm sure they feel awful, but why have they not made a public plea to her? this would set my mind at ease.

Her leaving, right before the main band starts, really makes me believe she had a plan.
Bug

[StickyBeak]

Bugout, I got the same feeling, especially at the PC when the Mom made comment about her coming home, hopefully in time for the math exam. She looked to her husband then. Gave me the feeling the parents maybe over achievers in this regard. Twenty yrs old and a junior already, unless I heard this wrong, seems this child may have been a phenom. Otherwise, could she have planned to meet up with someone she met online in parking lot and things got out of hand.
The friends have to know more I think, hope computers are searched.
Pray she is safe.

[jadensmokes]

First of all, the media has their heads where the sun doesn't shine. There are too many conflicting reports. How many people she went to the concert with (2-3-4, I've read them all!), that she left or she was separated, that she drove and that she didn't drive, etc.

The friends are way suspect in their behavior, IMO. I would have never left a friend at a concert, bar or anywhere. We didn't have cell phones when I was growing up, but there really is no excuse for not being able to hook up with someone that you get separated from at a concert. And, if she didn't answer her cell (battery removed) then I would be that much more concerned for her well being. Did they or didn't they report her missing, I've read both happened. Obviously they didn't call the parents because it took her Dad calling them.

I would be very interested to see if she ever went in the concert venue. Also, looking for the article that relates that she called her parents to let them know she had arrived. (That doesn't sound like something someone would do if they were anxious to be leaving to start a new life unknown to anyone.)
All imoo.

[n/t]

Parents plead for missing daughter

The parents of a missing Virginia Tech student urged their daughter to come home.

“If Morgan is out there and can hear this, please come home,“ Dan Harrington, father of missing 20-year-old Morgan Dana Harrington of Roanoke County, pleaded at a press conference in Charlottesville on Monday.

Harrington was last seen at around 8:40 p.m. Saturday during the Metallica concert at the University of Virginia’s John Paul Jones Arena.

During the concert, Harrington was separated from her friends and has not been seen since. Her parents reported her missing the following afternoon.

It is unusual that Harrington - a junior education major at Virginia Tech - would disappear in such a fashion, her mother said.

“This is not her typical behavior,“ Gil Harrington said. “This is a girl who calls home almost every day and asks things like, ‘How do you make macaroni and cheese?‘ And I tell her to read the box.“

At Monday’s press conference, held in front of the UVa Police Department’s headquarters, Virginia State Police Lt. Joe Rader said investigators are treating the situation as a missing person case.

“We have no evidence that a crime has been committed,“ Rader said.

According to police, Harrington and a friend traveled from Virginia Tech to meet a friend at James Madison University to meet a third friend. They then drove to Charlottesville to see the Metallica show at JPJ.

Harrington was last seen wearing a black T-shirt with “Pantera” written on the front in tan letters. She also was wearing a black mini skirt with black tights and black knee-high boots. She is 5 feet 6 inches tall, weighs 120 pounds and has blonde hair and blue eyes.

Police said that Harrington does not have her identification card or cell phone with her, though they declined to elaborate.

Rader also said that investigators are not searching for Harrington’s car because she rode in a friend’s car when they went to the concert.

Anyone with information regarding Harrington is asked to call Virginia State Police at 352-3435 or by e-mail at bci-appomattox@vsp.virginia.gov. UVa police can be reached at 924-7166.

http://www2.staffordcountysun.com/scs/news/state_regional/article/parents_plead_for_missing_daughter/45600/

Some of our questions answered, perhaps?

She rode in a friend's car. No evidence of foul play (even if her purse and cellphone were found??)

I wonder if she was outside waiting for a friend and never did go inside? I would think police would know by now whether or not she entered the building.

The parents are pleading for her to come home. It sounds like they think she may have left??? Wouldn't they plead with the person who may have harmed her if they believed she got into trouble?

[Uvachik]

Hopefully the police will answer some questions in the news conference at 3:30 this afternoon. WDBJ7.com will have a live stream of this news conference.

[n/t]

Still no signs of missing Virginia Tech student

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11353073

[n/t]

Hopefully the police will answer some questions in the news conference at 3:30 this afternoon. WDBJ7.com will have a live stream of this news conference.

Thank you for the heads up.

[Maelstrom5]

Hey Peter! Long time no...talk. LOL :biggrin:

Let me clarify what I meant by that....I figure being a college age student, and probably being familiar with concert/sporting event, etc, type activities, she should have known, that in this day and age, you get in, but you don't get out, until after the event is over, unless you plan to leave and not return.

I know, a lot of assumptions there, and I may indeed be wrong on her "knowing" the common "rules" of such type activities.

Maybe my use of the word, venue, wasn't the correct way to relay what I meant! Sorry! :wink:

Hi,

I don't post much. I am on to something big in a 30 year old missing girl case. Can't tell you yet, maybe never, what that information is but it has been sent to a Cold Case Unit for review. It has the potential to blow the top off a case thats as cold as a Northern New England winter.

Back on topic. Morgan’s dad has said she liked to go to big concerts on occasion but my bet is they were closer to home, Blacksburg or Roanoke.

I have not been down that way since 1971 (NSS National Convention, we drank Blacksburg dry LOL) so I don’t know what the rules are nowadays and you may well be correct.

The last concert I went to was in the Hartford Civic Center. CSN &Y reunion tour. For years the civic center used to let people smoke in the concourse area where the bathrooms and concessions are but changed the rules about 15 years ago. There is no smoking allowed in the building but they let people go outside to smoke, you need to show a ticket stub to get back in however. So its possible Morgan felt as long as she had her stub she could get back in.

BTW smoking or no smoking rules you still get a contact high if you go to a rock concert at the civic center.

[leema24]

Thanks for the updates, n/t. Lots of confusing details about the car!

I know people are capable of anything and it's a possibility that she ran off on her own but it sounds as if Morgan was pretty tight with her parents.

"Morgan is a pretty transparent kid, who's had a really close relationship with us," her father, Dan Harrington, said in a phone interview Tuesday. "I don't think there are lots of secrets, so this kind of behavior of (her) missing is not something I think we would expect."
http://www.katu.com/news/national/65174182.html

Everything about this case is baffling. :confused:

[leema24]

A website has been set up for Morgan: http://www.morgandanaharrington.com/

Dana's friends have planned a vigil for her scheduled to take place tomorrow night at Northside High school in Roanoke, Virginia.

The vigil will be held at 7:00 p.m., on the football field.

The address is:
6758 Northside High School Road
Roanoke, VA 24019

[sickntired]

This is pretty much my neighborhood... I live just outside of Harrisonburg....

eta...mom sounds like she is somewhat in denial about why the friends didn't mention the fact that she was missing for so darn long.

Curiouser....

I thought the same thing when I saw her on television last night. She said they were a bunch of good kids that had been in and out of her house for years....so evidentially she knew these girls for a while.

[omsk99]

I thought the same thing when I saw her on television last night. She said they were a bunch of good kids that had been in and out of her house for years....so evidentially she knew these girls for a while.

IMO, the mom did not answers' NG's question if she thinks the girls might be protecting her from something/some information,. She specifically asked that question, and mom replied that she knows the girls and have seen them growing up and Morgan has been friends with them since high school. All this as it may be, are they indeed hiding something, even for that reason, that they've been friends with her for a while? I don't think NG meant they harmed her in any way, but that they might know more than what they are saying. I also think mom might be in denial. At least in that respect. JMO

[carterkatt]

Anyone viewing the press conference? I either can't get it to play, or it hasn't started.

TIA

[carterkatt]

I think I got it... and it's not started yet. (or I missed it and it's over!)

[carterkatt]

starting now

[n/t]

starting now

Any updates appreciated. I'm at work with no sound. :thumbdown:

[carterkatt]

Press conference: (as fast as I could type)

- thanking public for help, please keep sending in tips
- new tipline for VA state police - 434-351-3467, will be manned 24/7- - no great revelations today (their words)

clarifications:
her purse and cell phone WERE located by passerby and given to police. Relevancy is this: have purse, cell phone, and missing girl. Need to draw conclusions based on tips.

Is is a missing person investigation, but handled in the methodology of a criminal investigation since LE does not know if she is missing or has met another end.

LE have concluded that they have spent time in local ground search near area and atheletic fields.

Battery missing from cell - may or may not be pertinent. Based on interviews could me battery dropped from cell phone. It is what it is, until it may be come a criminal matter.

At this point LE has NO reliable info that criminal conduct has occurred. Will continue to investigate as criminal investigation.

LE can confirm: she was on grounds or area thru 9:30 pm. After 9:30 unsure, call if you have info.

THere has been no contact from/to Morgan.

Tip line benficial to LE - they need info that may work with facts of the investigation.

Surrounding video cams of area and other areas nearby have been checked and have not helped.

Many calls from around the country stating they may have seen her around country. LE investigating.

Family advised prior to press conference what would be said - no surprises for them. LE does not know what has happened to Morgan. The ground search has not produced any clues. LE does knot know if she may still be on grounds.

LE working on reward thru Crime Stoppers to be announced in 24 hrs, minimum of $50,000. to solve this case. Details to come. Family supports very strongly.

No time frame for this criminal investigation of this missing person. If she is successfully found, will not be missing person investigation any longer.... not taken lightly... tremendous amount of resources being used.

questions next....

[KaraokeDiva]

One other thing...JPJ does have a common outside area for people who want to smoke. You can access this area only after you enter. They have guards at the door as you go out. Also, they have signs posted at the entry/exit of the arena stating that if you leave you will not be admitted back in. They also usually have people standing there that will tell you that you will not be able to get back in. So, if Morgan left, she had to have known that she wasn't getting back in.

And, I read that she called her friends once outside to tell them that she couldn't get back in. So, maybe she told them something else that they aren't mentioning about how she was going to get home and that is why they didn't really worry and call her parents. (Because if she was locked out of the concert before Metallica even started, she had a lot of time to spare before the concert would be over).
Thanks for the local info and thanks to Carterkatt for the coverage of the presser.

And here is what my local tv station is reporting...

http://www.whsv.com/home/headlines/65185217.html

Morgan's parents, Dan and Gil Harrington, told reporters she was last seen going to the bathroom inside JPJ around 8:40 p.m. Saturday. They say she then went outside before Metallica took the stage and security would not let her back inside.

[carterkatt]

Questions being asked/answered during press conference: Trying to quote the gist of it:

She left to use bathroom, and somehow ended up outside. Her condition will not be discussed at this time, but was able to move around and converse with people.

called friends from outside and told them she can't get back in...will meet up with them later. This was about 8:30 - 9:00.

She was NOT the driver of the car. HER car not an issue. Relevancy of the car is not a relevancy of her being missing. It is not an issue of her being missing.

LE will not jeopardize info, and can't answer some questions. Very guarded about her "condition" in prior question/answer. Could only say was mobile and could talk to others.

Found articles - in vicinity of arena and athletic fields. not sure of relevancy of the times. No sign of struggle where those items were found.

SWAT teams were at scene to search - they were available and could be used as extra people on ground for 3rd time to search area. Just happened to be SWAT team members,.. nothing found area., She was not injured and found on ground, for example.

May use SAR in future in expanded area. Feel confident in immediate area that she is not there.

Will continue... sorry for typos

[BevAnn]

Thank you so much carterkatt!!

Her "condition" is interesting....drunk or stoned maybe?? hmmm...either would lead to slow reflexes, so if someone grabbed her, that would work in their favor. Also, she wouldn't be as observant if someone was stalking her/following her.

Gosh. wonder what she thought she was going to do for the approx 2 hours she had to kill until the concert was over? I hate that security wouldn't let her back in. :sad:

[n/t]

Thanks so much caterkatt!!!

Well at least we have clarification on some of the questions we had. I'm shocked they wouldn't let her back in. Did she lose her ticket? I guess at this point, it really doesn't matter. What matters is where is she and what happened to her? Now, I'm worried. I don't think she ran off.:sad:

[carterkatt]

To continue Q&A session:

No other air searches.. due to folliage, at this time.

Very general timeline - so public does not give info because they feel their info does not fit time line...
general time line:

8:30 - 9:30 Morgan was not in area, was in vicinity (established thru witnesses and friends)
contacted her friends to tell them she was outside.

LE would not be more specific in case someone else has more details.

About tips received: 100 calls received... about 20% need follow up... some calls required immediate follow up... some will be followed up.

Purse found in parking area that was small in nature and easily discovered in walk thru by someone. That was found Sunday morning.

LE was asked if they have other Missing people cases... said yes.. some 6 months to 6 yrs old (State police speaking)... working as lead or assist in other cases, but this case will not diminish their work on those cases. Other agencies helping, LE and UVA, VT etc.

Time frame very critical that we have not located her.

Keep leads coming, please....

appreciate the questions you have... don't hesitate to contact tipline, and media to contact media contact.

Will continue to aggressively pursue investigation, locally, nationally, internationally.

Be patient if you call tip line and they don't call you back ASAP.

Ground search will be completed w/in next hour. May use additional SAR in next days to expand search. Yes..using dogs... many sorts (was asked if it would be cadaver dogs) of dogs.

UVA police took initial report of recovered property. They realized it would be beneficial to bring to quick resolve to reach to VA State Police offices through commonwealth, air support, different resources, etc to help UVA police.... so be it, that VA State Police are "lead" in investsigation - has "enhanced" investigation to have more agencies together. In quick consultation with UVA police, should not conclude UVA police not capable. Albermarle County etc. helping.

About phone call... it was indicated by her phone call that she told friends to go on and she would meet up with her later (NOT in parking lot) - friends were aware that there was not a need for immediate alarm when she was not in parking lot after show. She did not tell them she'd meet up with them in parking lot.

End..

hope that helps.. sorry if unclear.. typing as fast as I could.. sorry for any typos...
k

[carterkatt]

Hope that all makes sense..

I'm home sick today - otherwise I'd be in the dark about this!!!

[n/t]

It helped! Thanks so much!

[debbadoo]

Thanks so much caterkatt!!!

Well at least we have clarification on some of the questions we had. I'm shocked they wouldn't let her back in. Did she lose her ticket? I guess at this point, it really doesn't matter. What matters is where is she and what happened to her? Now, I'm worried. I don't think she ran off.:sad:

I find it odd that they will not let a person back in IF she had her ticket. Here, you can go out, smoke and come back in.....you go through the search again, but big deal. Tickets can be scanned over and over again for those that go out for a smoke (here they can, anyhow!). I am wondering if she lost her ticket and that is why they would not allow her back in? This is a very scary story......Where on Earth is she?

[fastpitch]

I don't feel good about this one. With Mary Beth Smith, her "abduction" started to fall apart within a few days.

This reminds me more of a situation where she started to walk somewhere and was abducted. I usually hear of that when a guy or girl is leaving a bar, though.

She lived in a nice apartment (per mom) and did her laundry at her folk's.

I remember the young lady that was abducted from her friend's apartment in Nevada. We all thought the friends knew something then.

My gosh, it is a scary world.

[n/t]

I find it odd that they will not let a person back in IF she had her ticket. Here, you can go out, smoke and come back in.....you go through the search again, but big deal. Tickets can be scanned over and over again for those that go out for a smoke (here they can, anyhow!). I am wondering if she lost her ticket and that is why they would not allow her back in? This is a very scary story......Where on Earth is she?

Yeah I found that odd too. Did they confirm the purse and cellphone were found in the parking lot or just in the "vicinity" by a passerby? If in the parking lot, I'm surprised they don't have video surveillance.

[carterkatt]

I find it odd that they will not let a person back in IF she had her ticket. Here, you can go out, smoke and come back in.....you go through the search again, but big deal. Tickets can be scanned over and over again for those that go out for a smoke (here they can, anyhow!). I am wondering if she lost her ticket and that is why they would not allow her back in? This is a very scary story......Where on Earth is she?

what I find very odd - is if they would not let her back in, for whatever reason... WHY did she call her friends and NOT have them meet her in the parking lot?

LE seemed clear on that at the press conference... she called.. .but they did not expect to meet up with her in the parking lot. WHY NOT???? What was her "plan b"???? WHO did she meet up with?

[n/t]

I don't feel good about this one. With Mary Beth Smith, her "abduction" started to fall apart within a few days.

This reminds me more of a situation where she started to walk somewhere and was abducted. I usually hear of that when a guy or girl is leaving a bar, though.

She lived in a nice apartment (per mom) and did her laundry at her folk's.

I remember the young lady that was abducted from her friend's apartment in Nevada. We all thought the friends knew something then.

My gosh, it is a scary world.


She couldn't have gone very far before she dropped her purse and cellphone. Sounds like it happened right there in the area.

It is very scary. Someone must've seen something!!!

[carterkatt]

Yeah I found that odd too. Did they confirm the purse and cellphone were found in the parking lot or just in the "vicinity" by a passerby? If in the parking lot, I'm surprised they don't have video surveillance.

Purse was found in smaller parking lot. Video was looked at from the area and surrounding areas... but it did not help (from press conference).

[n/t]

what I find very odd - is if they would not let her back in, for whatever reason... WHY did she call her friends and NOT have them meet her in the parking lot?

LE seemed clear on that at the press conference... she called.. .but they did not expect to meet up with her in the parking lot. WHY NOT???? What was her "plan b"???? WHO did she meet up with?

I took that to mean she wasn't going to hang out outside waiting for them in the parking lot for 2 hours. I wonder if she told them where she was going to go? How was she going to get back home?:confused:

[omsk99]

I find it odd that they will not let a person back in IF she had her ticket. Here, you can go out, smoke and come back in.....you go through the search again, but big deal. Tickets can be scanned over and over again for those that go out for a smoke (here they can, anyhow!). I am wondering if she lost her ticket and that is why they would not allow her back in? This is a very scary story......Where on Earth is she?

She may not have had her ticket to begin with - if they were going in as a group, one girl could have given all the tickets to be scanned, and took them back. Morgan should have taken the ticket when she left her friends (just in case she cannot find their seats), but the main question remains - how and why did she end up outside?.. If they weren't letting her back in because she had no ticket on her, one of her friends could have or would have come for her with the ticket, I would imagine, instead of having her wait outside for 2 hours, after having driven from afar and having waited for this day for 6 months. It just still doesn't add up...

And it is indeed peculiar how they mention her "condition", someone could have just taken advantage of her "condition" if she was hanging out outside by herself (but for 2(!) hours???).

[n/t]

Purse was found in smaller parking lot. Video was looked at from the area and surrounding areas... but it did not help (from press conference).

What was she doing in a parking lot to begin with?? Isn't that strange? If the car wasn't hers, why would she be there?

[omsk99]

Morgan Harrington Pictures: Virginia Tech Student Vanishes After Metallica Show
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/21/crimesider/entry5405868.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2009/10/21/crimesider/photoessay5405683.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBod y

[omsk99]

What was she doing in a parking lot to begin with?? Isn't that strange? If the car wasn't hers, why would she be there?

Maybe she didn't know the area, and didn't know where else to wait for her friends?..

[omsk99]

New Tip Line Created for Morgan Harrington Search
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65225537.html

[dreamtime]

Morgan H
must have stepped outside for a smoke.
Probably did not have a ticket on her, told she would not be let back in.
Called people on her cell.
Went to the bathroom, 8:40pm
must have made another phone call,
seen by witnesses, because 9:30pm is the
last known sighting.
She was in the vicinity. Hmm.

Condition: It does sound like maybe she was drinking or
had taken something that made it obvious to others
she was not herself.

I hope she is just sleeping off something
she might have taken
or
she decided to marry a
guy with long dark hair she met
outside,
but the whole situation just
gives me a sinking feeling.

[Uvachik]

She may not have had her ticket to begin with - if they were going in as a group, one girl could have given all the tickets to be scanned, and took them back. Morgan should have taken the ticket when she left her friends (just in case she cannot find their seats), but the main question remains - how and why did she end up outside?.. If they weren't letting her back in because she had no ticket on her, one of her friends could have or would have come for her with the ticket, I would imagine, instead of having her wait outside for 2 hours, after having driven from afar and having waited for this day for 6 months. It just still doesn't add up...

And it is indeed peculiar how they mention her "condition", someone could have just taken advantage of her "condition" if she was hanging out outside by herself (but for 2(!) hours???).


Just to clarify...it didn't matter if she had her ticket or not. At JPJ they do not let you re-enter once you leave. They have designated smoking areas that are outside but only accessible from inside JPJ (and they have guards there). They have signs that clearly mark the exits leaving JPJ stating the no re-entry policy.

[omsk99]

Search Near JPJ for Missing Student Called Off
Posted: Oct 21, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
Updated: Oct 21, 2009 12:58 PM PDT

Virginia State Police says a criminal investigation is under way in the disappearance of Morgan Harrington. Lt. Joe Rader made that announcement Wednesday afternoon during a news conference in Charlottesville.

Harrington went missing Saturday night while attending a concert at John Paul Jones Arena. Investigators also confirmed Wednesday that they have Harrington's cell phone and purse.

A ground search of UVA, JPJ and surrounding athletic fields wrapped up at 4pm Wednesday. Police say a three day search of those areas has not turned up any clues. Video surveillance footage has also been reviewed.

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11354835

[leema24]

cartkatt, thanks for the updates.

From the article omsk posted:
"Friends in the arena phoned her and she said not to wait up for her and that she'd find her own ride home."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/21/crimesider/entry5405868.shtml

How did she plan on finding her ride? Did she know anyone else at the concert?

[omsk99]

cartkatt, thanks for the updates.

From the article omsk posted:
"Friends in the arena phoned her and she said not to wait up for her and that she'd find her own ride home."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/21/crimesider/entry5405868.shtml

How did she plan on finding her ride? Did she know anyone else at the concert?

Interesting that this is being reported now, but her mom didn't say anything about this on NG, not anyone else before today - even when asked directly where did she go?.. I wonder if her friends are finally telling everything they know, and which is why the search of the immediate area is called off :confused:

[barefoot]

I live in NC, not VA, but it's common around here for concerts/sporting events to have a no-reentry policy. I can't remember the last time I went to an event that didn't require you to pay full price to reenter.

I noticed that the Facebook group about Morgan isn't there anymore... I'm curious as to why it was deleted.

[n/t]

I live in NC, not VA, but it's common around here for concerts/sporting events to have a no-reentry policy. I can't remember the last time I went to an event that didn't require you to pay full price to reenter.

I noticed that the Facebook group about Morgan isn't there anymore... I'm curious as to why it was deleted.

This one? It's still there http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=162224546575&ref=search&sid=666482915.1685764065..1

[Dogmatic]

Whoever took her made sure she couldn't be tracked by leaving behind the purse and cell phone with no battery.

This is not good. Prayers for this young lady....

[tarabull1]

cartkatt, thanks for the updates.

From the article omsk posted:
"Friends in the arena phoned her and she said not to wait up for her and that she'd find her own ride home."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/21/crimesider/entry5405868.shtml

How did she plan on finding her ride? Did she know anyone else at the concert?

I still think friends know more than they are saying about what she was "doing"....

[barefoot]

This one? It's still there http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=162224546575&ref=search&sid=666482915.1685764065..1
thank you! It's not showing up in Facebook search results for some reason.

[jewel6]

I don't feel good about this one. With Mary Beth Smith, her "abduction" started to fall apart within a few days.

This reminds me more of a situation where she started to walk somewhere and was abducted. I usually hear of that when a guy or girl is leaving a bar, though.

She lived in a nice apartment (per mom) and did her laundry at her folk's.

I remember the young lady that was abducted from her friend's apartment in Nevada. We all thought the friends knew something then.

My gosh, it is a scary world.

Yes in reno does every one remember? It turned out horrible! People were blaming the roommates! That child died from a predator! JMO

[debbadoo]

what I find very odd - is if they would not let her back in, for whatever reason... WHY did she call her friends and NOT have them meet her in the parking lot?

LE seemed clear on that at the press conference... she called.. .but they did not expect to meet up with her in the parking lot. WHY NOT???? What was her "plan b"???? WHO did she meet up with?



Who knows, but maybe she told them not to leave the show, or they would not get back in as well. Just very very odd. I pray that she is found soon so her poor parents can get back to a normal life.

[tarabull1]

sorry if this has already been posted:
http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=602638

[tarabull1]

There are many photos of Morgan available here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2009/10/21/crimesider/photoessay5405683.shtml?tag=page

[n/t]

Va. police: Student disappearance a criminal case

http://www.thestate.com/nation/story/993254.html


Also a vigil is scheduled for tonight at 7 pm.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9471382&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=162224546575&id=859175180

[Maelstrom5]

Yes in reno does every one remember? It turned out horrible! People were blaming the roommates! That child died from a predator! JMO

You’re talking about the Brianna Dennison case. You are correct, KT and Jessica got beat up on the web but the only thing the two women fudged on was how much they had to drink that night.

They were truthful about everything else, but until the police released the information about foreign DNA being found in the house they were many web sleuths #1 suspects. There must have been 1,000 posts accusing them of hiding something.

[BevAnn]

Saying its a criminal investigation - does that mean they don't believe she left on her own then?

But stopping the search - would mean, they believe she's alive and well some where?

This confuses me. Some one help me out here - it's too early this rainy Thursday morning!

BTW - her pics tarabull posted a link to - she is absolutely gorgeous - I can so see some creep taking her.

[n/t]

Saying its a criminal investigation - does that mean they don't believe she left on her own then?

But stopping the search - would mean, they believe she's alive and well some where?

This confuses me. Some one help me out here - it's too early this rainy Thursday morning!

BTW - her pics tarabull posted a link to - she is absolutely gorgeous - I can so see some creep taking her.

From what I understand, they stopped the searches in the area because nothing was found even with tracking dogs. Considering her purse and cellphone were found in the small parking lot, it is my belief that she was probably taken by force and taken away in a vehicle.:sad:

[Serena]

Part of me feels strongly that this was an abduction, but I think there's also the possibility that she could have disappeared of her own volition. It was reported in the Roanoke paper this morning that Morgan's parents have a key to her apartment and the password to her computer and that her father does her banking for her, which makes me wonder whether she could have been chafing under parental control. One can sort of pick up little signals from the parents when they've appeared on the local news that they may have expected a lot from her. Therefore, I think it's "possible" that she could have staged her disappearance. Still, she would have to know about the national exposure her disappearance has garnered and you'd think she'd have let someone know she was safe if that were the case. It's a truly baffling case.

[BevAnn]

Serena - first, welcome to the boards!

Second, I think I may tend to agree with you. I remember in earlier posts, her parents talked about how she always called for help with regular mundane things, like making macaroni and cheese, etc...they implied she was ...not homely or naive, heck I dont know, I'll go find the articles - ANYWAY, my point is, I thought when I read those, I think some parents are in denial about how their young adult/older teens are and act.

Not to say she was a bad person at all, but Metallica is not gospel and she was said to be wearing a black mini skirt and knee high leather boots - and she is gorgeous! And don't flame me, there is nothing wrong with any of that - I love metal myself. But my perception, on the VERY little that I know, is I think Morgan was a typical 20 year old, enjoying the prime of her life, and mom and dad might have had their head in the sand about some things.

That's just the thoughts, opinions, that have been niggling around in the back of my head. And these things are why I kind of think, she may have run off for whatever reason - parent pressure/school pressure/new boyfriend or somethng like that.

of course, this is just my opinion!

ETA: ok, the mac n cheese thing is all I found - most of the rest, was just a couple comments made about mom being in denial, etc.... Also came across fact that dad is a associate director of school of meds at UV. Sounds like a very academic family. Someone else had pointed out for her to be a 20 yr old jr, means, she excelled well in school...maybe all those pressures got to her?

[n/t]

Part of me feels strongly that this was an abduction, but I think there's also the possibility that she could have disappeared of her own volition. It was reported in the Roanoke paper this morning that Morgan's parents have a key to her apartment and the password to her computer and that her father does her banking for her, which makes me wonder whether she could have been chafing under parental control. One can sort of pick up little signals from the parents when they've appeared on the local news that they may have expected a lot from her. Therefore, I think it's "possible" that she could have staged her disappearance. Still, she would have to know about the national exposure her disappearance has garnered and you'd think she'd have let someone know she was safe if that were the case. It's a truly baffling case.

Does she have any siblings?

Looking at her photos (the ones posted on her facebook), it looks like she has a great group of friends. I don't know but I would think she would've confided in one of them.

The fact that she was so looking forward to this concert is what bothers me the most. Maybe she did meet someone online (or other) and they were going to hook up at the concert and she got lured to that parking lot. Who knows.

We don't know much about Morgan except from her parents. Have any of her friends come forward? Not necessarily the ones who were at the concert with her but what about others who attended Virginia Tech?

I do find it odd that her parents have her password, if true. At that age, they usually don't want parents mingling in their private matters. Well, the majority of them.

If she did run off, I hope she lets someone know she's ok.

[Serena]

Hi, BevAnn, and thanks for the welcome. I certainly agree with you that she looks and dresses like a typical 20-year-old and is indeed gorgeous. I'd say her outfit was completely appropriate for a Metallica concert. Here's what baffles me: her friends apparently told police that they weren't expecting to meet up with her in the parking lot after the concert; hence, they didn't realize she was missing 'til the next day. That would seem to indicate that she had some kind of plan in place for when she got to the concert venue. My guess is that she planned to meet someone. She loved Metallica and had her tickets well in advance, so I don't think part of the plan was to actually miss the concert. I think there's a good chance that she went outside to meet someone -- and I think her friends would have had to know that or else they would have been frantic when she didn't come back -- and some unknown something happened.

According to the local news, the mom is a nurse and the dad is a doctor who is also involved with the VT or UVA medical school, I forget which.

N/T, I find it very odd that her parents had her password, too. There was a picture in the morning paper of Morgan and her 22-year-old brother; it didn't mention any other siblings.

Take a look at http://www.roanoke.com, which is the Roanoke newspaper. The story from this morning, with photos, should still be up.

[bugout]

what I find very odd - is if they would not let her back in, for whatever reason... WHY did she call her friends and NOT have them meet her in the parking lot?

LE seemed clear on that at the press conference... she called.. .but they did not expect to meet up with her in the parking lot. WHY NOT???? What was her "plan b"???? WHO did she meet up with?

It would be pretty hard to hear if the band just started playing and you tried to take a call. I know I wouldn't be able to hear, I wonder if they were really just absorbed by the concert, and knew she was going off to party with someone. The cell phone battery, is bothering me now.
Too much time has passed, she should have tried to call someone she loves. She's in trouble. I will probably go back and forth, but she has had plenty of time to sleep it off, or come home. She has not.
What was she doing in that smaller parking lot, was someone just lying in wait? Parking lots and concerts, usually are places to score dope.
I will say that. If going out to the parking lot instead of watching the main event that does make me think she was seeking to purchase or find some type of drug. That's a possibility. But in doing so, she could have been abducted.
Bug :rose:

[leema24]

Does she have any siblings?

Looking at her photos (the ones posted on her facebook), it looks like she has a great group of friends. I don't know but I would think she would've confided in one of them.

The fact that she was so looking forward to this concert is what bothers me the most. Maybe she did meet someone online (or other) and they were going to hook up at the concert and she got lured to that parking lot. Who knows.

We don't know much about Morgan except from her parents. Have any of her friends come forward? Not necessarily the ones who were at the concert with her but what about others who attended Virginia Tech?

I do find it odd that her parents have her password, if true. At that age, they usually don't want parents mingling in their private matters. Well, the majority of them.

If she did run off, I hope she lets someone know she's ok.

Morgan Harrington's parents continue clinging to hope as they search for their missing daughter
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/223391
According to this article, she has a 22 yo brother.

Her parents seemed to be very involved with her life. Definitely not a bad thing but maybe Morgan was trying to break out on her own a little by meeting someone at the concert? And I still haven't read any more details on her "condition". Was she drunk? high?

[Serena]

According to Channel 10 News in Roanoke, police have resumed searching around UVA this afternoon. I can't get the link to work, but the story is at wsls.com.

[Destini]

According to Channel 10 News in Roanoke, police have resumed searching around UVA this afternoon. I can't get the link to work, but the story is at wsls.com.

I was just reading this .... huh? What am I missing here?

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/state_regional/article/police_back_at_uva_following_up_on_leads_in_missin g_vt_student_case/56682/#

"Investigators with State Police, the Albemarle County Sheriff’s Office, and the Greene County Sheriff’s Office are back on the campus of the University of Virginia Thursday afternoon, in connection with the missing Virginia Tech student case..

Officers and deputies are searching the ground near University Hall, where Morgan Harrington was last seen. Investigators say the search is a follow up on leads, and to double check that they did not miss anything previously."

[Destini]

Was the Metallica concert actually on the campus of UV, University Hall?

[carterkatt]

Was the Metallica concert actually on the campus of UV, University Hall?

It was in John Paul Jones Arena.

[Destini]

It was in John Paul Jones Arena.

Thanks Carterkatt. I didn't realize this concert was actually on the campus. I was confused. :confused:

I am glad they're going back over the area.

[n/t]

Thanks Carterkatt. I didn't realize this concert was actually on the campus. I was confused. :confused:

I am glad they're going back over the area.

Me either. Colour me confused too. I thought she had a ride with a friend to the concert.....close to where her parents reside??

[n/t]

Is University of Virginia and Virginia Tech the same?

[Destini]

Is University of Virginia and Virginia Tech the same?

Virginia Tech is in Blacksburg, VA

University of Virginia is in Charlottesville

They had gone to Harrisonburg Virginia (James Madison U) to pick up the friends.

And her parents live in Roanoke???

Is that right? Maybe I'll mapquest to get a better idea of the area we're talking about.

[Destini]

Okay, here's the Mapquest link showing all 4 towns.


http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Blacksburg&1s=VA&1y=US&1l=37.229401&1g=-80.4142&1v=CITY&2c=Roanoke&2s=VA#a/maps/l:::Blacksburg:VA::US:37.229401:-80.4142:city::1/l:::Roanoke:VA::US:37.270802:-79.941704:city:Roanoke+City:1/l:::Harrisonburg:VA::US:38.449402:-78.869202:city:Harrisonburg+City:1/l:::Charlottesville:VA::US:38.029202:-78.476898:city:Charlottesville+City:1/m::5:37.789982:-79.447098:0:::::1:1:1::/io:1:::::f:EN:M:/e

When she said she possibly would get a ride back home, I wonder if that was back to her parents' house or back to Virginia Tech. I'm assuming her parents' house because she spent Friday night there & apparently left her suitcase there, but I'm not sure.

Or were they all staying in Charlottesville, maybe with friends that night?

[Serena]

Virginia Tech is in Blacksburg, and those students have endured some horrendous crimes over the past 2 years. UVA is in Charlottesville, a drive of about 150 miles from Blacksburg, 100 or so from Roanoke. I'm not sure what the driving distance is between Charlottesville or Roanoke and Harrisonburg. The Harringtons live in Roanoke, about 50 miles from Blacksburg. I don't think I've read whether Morgan's apartment is in Blacksburg, but I would imagine so.

Apparently, the parking lot where Morgan's purse was found isn't the main arena parking lot. Media called it a smaller parking lot. Does anyone know how far it was from the JPJ Arena?

[leema24]

Virginia Tech is in Blacksburg, and those students have endured some horrendous crimes over the past 2 years. UVA is in Charlottesville, a drive of about 150 miles from Blacksburg, 100 or so from Roanoke. I'm not sure what the driving distance is between Charlottesville or Roanoke and Harrisonburg. The Harringtons live in Roanoke, about 50 miles from Blacksburg. I don't think I've read whether Morgan's apartment is in Blacksburg, but I would imagine so.

Apparently, the parking lot where Morgan's purse was found isn't the main arena parking lot. Media called it a smaller parking lot. Does anyone know how far it was from the JPJ Arena?

If you scroll down to the bottom of this page, it gives a detailed view of all parking around the arena: http://www.johnpauljonesarena.com/directions.asp

[Justice4all]

Morgans parents are on HLN on PrimeNews and they wouldn't answer the question if Morgans debt card or credit cards have been used. and her mom said went she gets home Morgan has a lot of "splainin" to do.....Odd statement IMO

[n/t]

That is an odd thing to say. I don't get the debit/credit card non answer. Wasn't her purse found? Were her debit/credit cards missing?

[Serena]

Thanks for the link to the map, Leema24, showing how the area is laid out.

After hearing this evening's report on the 6:00 o'clock news, I'm really confused now. They said that when Morgan left the arena and couldn't get back in, she called her friends and told them that if she didn't meet them in the parking lot after the concert, she'd "get home safely." They also said that the group took Morgan's car to the concert. When it was over and she wasn't in the parking lot, the friends drove her car back to Harrisonburg. What?! It was her car. Why wouldn't she have stayed with it? Why would she look for some other way to get home safely when it was her car? Why would the friends just drive off in it without her? How did they get the keys?

Another TV station aired a short interview this afternoon with a guy who remembered talking with Morgan before the concert.

The parents have posted a $100,000 reward for information, so maybe some useful leads will start coming in.

[Serena]

That is an odd thing to say. I don't get the debit/credit card non answer. Wasn't her purse found? Were her debit/credit cards missing?

That does seem like a very odd thing to say. I haven't heard anything about what was in the purse besides her ID and cell phone. The statement could, I suppose, indicate a possible robbery -- or maybe the mom knows or suspects something else?

[n/t]

Thanks for the link to the map, Leema24, showing how the area is laid out.

After hearing this evening's report on the 6:00 o'clock news, I'm really confused now. They said that when Morgan left the arena and couldn't get back in, she called her friends and told them that if she didn't meet them in the parking lot after the concert, she'd "get home safely." They also said that the group took Morgan's car to the concert. When it was over and she wasn't in the parking lot, the friends drove her car back to Harrisonburg. What?! It was her car. Why wouldn't she have stayed with it? Why would she look for some other way to get home safely when it was her car? Why would the friends just drive off in it without her? How did they get the keys?

Another TV station aired a short interview this afternoon with a guy who remembered talking with Morgan before the concert.

The parents have posted a $100,000 reward for information, so maybe some useful leads will start coming in.


Gosh...I feel like I'm on a roller coaster ride. Sometimes I think something horrible happened to her and then I read other updates and I think she took off with someone and had this planned all along or it could be both. Maybe she was meeting up with someone and something happened.

If it was her car, maybe she left it behind for her friends because she had another ride??

[n/t]

That does seem like a very odd thing to say. I haven't heard anything about what was in the purse besides her ID and cell phone. The statement could, I suppose, indicate a possible robbery -- or maybe the mom knows or suspects something else?

I would think it would be fairly easy to track debit/credit card purchases and if she's the one using them.

[omsk99]

Gosh...I feel like I'm on a roller coaster ride. Sometimes I think something horrible happened to her and then I read other updates and I think she took off with someone and had this planned all along or it could be both. Maybe she was meeting up with someone and something happened.

If it was her car, maybe she left it behind for her friends because she had another ride??

There has been a lot of confusion about the car. I believe it's posted upthread, that either during a PC or her mom saying, that it was NOT her car that they drove there, and that she did not drive it, either. IIRC, it was said she drove to wherever she met up with her friends, and then they all drove together in someone else's car. if that is the case, her car would have been left where she met up with her friends?.. :confused:

[omsk99]

News7 talked with concert-goer who talked to Morgan Harrington before she disappeared
One U.Va graduate who was the concert tells News 7 he remembers seeing Morgan before the concert in the parking lot.

"It was definitely her, I'm 100 percent certain of that," says Dave Gardner.

Gardner is a 2005 U.Va grad who now works in New Jersey and came back to Charlottesville to see Metallica.

"She pulled up with her party and got out of her parties car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert," says Gardner.

"She did seem excited to see Metallica because she asked us who the opening act was and when we told her, she said 'Who cares, we're here to see Metallica, right?'," said Gardner when News7 talked to him by phone.

Gardner says Harrington was anxious to get into the arena.

"It was clear to us she wanted to get in there and no one else was in a big hurry and it was frustrating for her," says Gardner.

"They weren't really tailgating. There was no evidence of drinking."

Gardner says Harrington only spoke to his group for a few minutes before heading toward the arena, but he says he remembers seeing the car after the concert without Morgan.

"There were definitely just three people in the car."

Gardner did not think much about it until

"My Dad emailed me and said, did you hear someone vanished at the concert and I, you know, I got online, out of curiosity and a chill just ran straight down my spine when I saw the picture," says Gardner.

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369010

[omsk99]

Vigil for missing VT student Morgan Harrington held at Northside High
At 7 p.m. the vigil for Morgan Harrigton will begin at Northside.

If you are attending the vigil, we understand you will be given a balloon at the gate when you come in and the balloons will be released at once at the ceremony.

Some of Morgan's friends organized this event, they'll be speaking as well as her parents who are expected to be here.

They're all gathering to pray for her safe return.

Friends of hers have also set up a facebook page where they can leave messages of hope and so far, more than 9,000 people have joined the page.

We'll have more tonight on News7 at 10 and 11.

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369126

[dulcinea]

I would think it would be fairly easy to track debit/credit card purchases and if she's the one using them.

Maybe they have and caught her on cam and that's why mom says she has some explaining to do? This case is strange indeed. If my daughter was missing I certainly wouldn't comment like that unless I had some sort of proof she took off willingly. I'd of course still want her to come home, but I'd be angry about all the worry she caused and all of the work LE has put into the case looking for her.

Saying it's a criminal investigation...I understand that and I don't. They classified it as such yesterday when there were still a lot of unknowns (I get the feeling they might have more info today). For some reason today the classification is getting a lot of attention like there is evidence, but then there is mom's cryptic statment. I think I am just going to sit back and see where this one goes. I think LE is working this case well, but the seemingly contradictory statements made at various times by various people are difficult to decipher.

[Marrigan]

IMO, the mom did not answers' NG's question if she thinks the girls might be protecting her from something/some information,. She specifically asked that question, and mom replied that she knows the girls and have seen them growing up and Morgan has been friends with them since high school. All this as it may be, are they indeed hiding something, even for that reason, that they've been friends with her for a while? I don't think NG meant they harmed her in any way, but that they might know more than what they are saying. I also think mom might be in denial. At least in that respect. JMO


I agree. Both parents seem oddly uncurious about how and why Morgan left the arena. I would be grilling her friends, wanting to know every single word she said during the ride to the concert to the last phone call. Am I missing something?

After watching Mike's interview with the Harrington's on Prime News tonite, I really think that they should stop granting interviews. It's obvious that they are in an extreme amount of pain and anguish and Mrs. Harrington is medicated to the point of incoherence. I don't say this to be judgmental; rather that they should be spared this additional anguish.

I'm distressed that Morgan's friends don't have more information about that night. I may be old, but I still remember concerts from the early 70's when I was Morgan's age. If I'd had tickets for 6 months and was so looking forward to seeing a group, there is no way that I wouldn't have raised a huge ruckus about not being able to get back in the arena. Actually, I wouldn't have gotten separated from friends either, and that's what really has me so confused. Didn't her friend ask her a million questions about why she was outside and why she couldn't get back in and was there something she could do to help Morgan? Someone help me out here. Are her parents in denial about something? Are her friends concealing information?

[Justice4all]

I agree. Both parents seem oddly uncurious about how and why Morgan left the arena. I would be grilling her friends, wanting to know every single word she said during the ride to the concert to the last phone call. Am I missing something?

After watching Mike's interview with the Harrington's on Prime News tonite, I really think that they should stop granting interviews. It's obvious that they are in an extreme amount of pain and anguish and Mrs. Harrington is medicated to the point of incoherence. I don't say this to be judgmental; rather that they should be spared this additional anguish.

I'm distressed that Morgan's friends don't have more information about that night. I may be old, but I still remember concerts from the early 70's when I was Morgan's age. If I'd had tickets for 6 months and was so looking forward to seeing a group, there is no way that I wouldn't have raised a huge ruckus about not being able to get back in the arena. Actually, I wouldn't have gotten separated from friends either, and that's what really has me so confused. Didn't her friend ask her a million questions about why she was outside and why she couldn't get back in and was there something she could do to help Morgan? Someone help me out here. Are her parents in denial about something? Are her friends concealing information?

I felt the same way...so if you are missing something i must be missing something too. I kind of get the feeling they feel like she's runaway for some reason...

I really wish we knew more details. and I just can't understand why they wouldn't want to talk about her debt card being us or not....

[n/t]

I felt the same way...so if you are missing something i must be missing something too. I kind of get the feeling they feel like she's runaway for some reason...

I really wish we knew more details. and I just can't understand why they wouldn't want to talk about her debt card being us or not....

I could understand them not wanting to say anything about the debit card. If it was a burglary they wouldn't want to jeapordize the investigation. The odd statement from the mom bothers me but maybe she's in denial and still hoping she's alright. I would never want to be in their shoes.:crying:

[Justice4all]

I could understand them not wanting to say anything about the debit card. If it was a burglary they wouldn't want to jeapordize the investigation. The odd statement from the mom bothers me but maybe she's in denial and still hoping she's alright. I would never want to be in their shoes.:crying:

I was thinking maybe they saw Morgan on a security camera using her debt card and maybe she didn't want Morgan to know...Maybe i'm just wishful thinking,

[doradoll]

please don't flame me for this, but I think that the Mom doesn't want to say that her daughter went back out to SMOKE (or possibly something else, IMO)...this is a family from a really nice background and they may not want to see their daughter as anything other than the good girl

I don't know anyother reason for the "we aren't sure why she went outside" and the "went to the bathroom"....when it is known that you can use the bathroom without leaving the building

I hope she is found soon. She appears to be their pride and joy and a very striking girl with a bright future.

[doradoll]

Morgans parents are on HLN on PrimeNews and they wouldn't answer the question if Morgans debt card or credit cards have been used. and her mom said went she gets home Morgan has a lot of "splainin" to do.....Odd statement IMO


Maybe it is just wishful thinking on her part that Morgan may have runaway. It would be the only acceptable reason for her Mom at this point.

[doradoll]

I could understand them not wanting to say anything about the debit card. If it was a burglary they wouldn't want to jeapordize the investigation. The odd statement from the mom bothers me but maybe she's in denial and still hoping she's alright. I would never want to be in their shoes.:crying:

oops, you had already said it better than me!

[Destini]

If you go to Picture #9 at this link, she has a cigarette in her hand. Very well could have gone outside to smoke. Still doesn't explain the comment about her "condition." I found it odd the security guy or whoever he was from the arena basically said she was still walking & talking before she went outside. Made me wonder if she was thrown out for being intoxicated.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2009/10/21/crimesider/photoessay5405683_1_9_photo.shtml?tag=page

[Adalena935]

Thanks for the link to the map, Leema24, showing how the area is laid out.

After hearing this evening's report on the 6:00 o'clock news, I'm really confused now. They said that when Morgan left the arena and couldn't get back in, she called her friends and told them that if she didn't meet them in the parking lot after the concert, she'd "get home safely." They also said that the group took Morgan's car to the concert. When it was over and she wasn't in the parking lot, the friends drove her car back to Harrisonburg. What?! It was her car. Why wouldn't she have stayed with it? Why would she look for some other way to get home safely when it was her car? Why would the friends just drive off in it without her? How did they get the keys?

Another TV station aired a short interview this afternoon with a guy who remembered talking with Morgan before the concert.

The parents have posted a $100,000 reward for information, so maybe some useful leads will start coming in.

I agree with your second paragraph. It doesn't add up for me. I believe I read her keys were found by her car and a cut purse strap. Nice. Friends just pick them up and drive off without notifying anyone. According to news yesterday her Father had to call them! Nancy Grace also spoke with the Mother who does sound in denial to me but this is just my opinion. I'm not buying that. I wonder if she ever made it to the concert and I think law enforcement is wondering the same.

[merical]

I still think something's hinky. I can't put my finger on it either, although another posted something to the effect that perhaps the mother is medicated to cope with her anguish. If she's not medicated, I think she's oddly detached from the situation. Totally my own opinion and might be wrong about that, but if my beautiful twenty year old disappeared and I had absolutely no idea where she could be, I'd be frantic. Usually, the parents are more distraught. Again, maybe its just me, I don't think they had anything to do with her disappearance, but I wonder if they actually suspect she ran off but are afraid to say so because then the media will stop focusing on her. I don't know. This whole thing is just not making sense to me.

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K I am totally confused now about the car. No way, I thought it was her friends car they all went up in? Are you all going to tell me, now her car, was just driven back by her friends, yet her keys were not found? Now that IS what is hinky. Her keys were not found, yet they drove the car.

Makes me wonder exactly what is going on here. Please help me clear this up: I thought she rode up w/friends in THEIR car, not her own.
And, (im very tired and worn out please 4give me if confused) I tought her keys were NOT found, only her purse. Now the purse strap is cut?

Does anyone have a link, or can someone refresh us all on exactly what's going on?

It's hard when you have adult children who do Not do what you want them to. You have to let them lead their lives and give them wings, and let them fly. Some, are hesitant and continually fall back on parents. I found that the comments about asking her mother what to wear, she was covered her mother said and she said her outfit was fine. No way would I have a 20 yr olds password to the PC. It also was stated that her father, paid her bills or "handled her finances".
We all do things differently but this is not how a young adult fledges.
Not to me, so she may have been suffocating and ran away. I can see that.

She is an adult, and that would be well, let's just say this: If I ask my adult child if she has all her stuff packed, or her bag or whatever, important things she gets mad. No hovering, etc. :D

What does it mean now this is a criminal investigation? Are her friends being investigated? Of course she made it to the event, she was seen there. People have ID her being there.
Bug
:rose: I so hope she is alive and isn't endangered. It's hard to not think something awful has happened to her. This is the worst pain one can put on a loved one. To take off, and let them all think you dead. I know this from experience, and heartbreak.

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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9325491&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=162224546575&aid=-1&id=712425576&oid=162224546575

Friends set up facebook accout for Morgan, includes photos of the concert hall at night for those of you who want to see what the area looks like at night and up to date info.

Bug :rose:

[n/t]

Morgan Harrington vigil fills stands at Northside High School
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/morgan_harrington_vigil_fills_stands_at_northside_ high_school/56851/

Friends, family gather to pray for Morgan Harrington's safe return

http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/223458

[kelloggirl]

There are so many things wrong with this picture I don't even know where to start.

1. The fact that she left the arena - someone who's been so looking forward to seeing this concert steps outside when there are probably signs and warnings and someone telling her that if she goes out she can't get back in, still decides to do it? WHY?

2. The fact that her friends merrily stayed inside after hearing that their friend, was stuck outside BY HERSELF in the dark, missing the concert that she had been dying to see - WEIRD!

3. That Morgan, said, and her friends accepted, that she would not wait for them there but find her own way home - they lived over 100 MILES AWAY! It's not like she was going home two block or two miles away! Who did they or Morgan expect was going to drive her back to Blacksburg?!?! Or even if she was staying with her parents, 50 miles?!?

This is beyond bizarre. It reminds me so much of a recent situation and how differently I reacted to similar, but not identical circumstances. We had been tailgating all day and were just heading into the Jimmy Buffett concert. After a long walk from the parking lot, my friend discovered she left her ticket in the car and couldn't get in. She told us to go in and she would come back. We protested but obliged. I was in touch with her for the entire next 45 minutes, making sure she was on her way back, calling her, texting her, and when she couldn't find the ticket, I told her to meet me at the box office and I would give her money so she could buy another ticket to get in. She did find it eventually and came back. BUT if she told me that she was not going to come back and not to wait for her in the parking lot, that she would find her own ride home (we live about 45 miles away), I would've said WHAT??? NO WAY!!! Stay put or I am leaving the concert right now and coming to get you and we can go home if that's what you want.

So the friends actions makes no sense whatsoever to me!!! There has to be more to the story that they're not telling, or that police have not released.

[Destini]

(snipped)

It's hard when you have adult children who do Not do what you want them to. You have to let them lead their lives and give them wings, and let them fly. Some, are hesitant and continually fall back on parents. I found that the comments about asking her mother what to wear, she was covered her mother said and she said her outfit was fine. No way would I have a 20 yr olds password to the PC. It also was stated that her father, paid her bills or "handled her finances".
We all do things differently but this is not how a young adult fledges.
Not to me, so she may have been suffocating and ran away. I can see that.



Snipped just to address this part of your post, Bugout ....

This is exactly what I have been wanting to say but have been hesitant. I'm sure her parents mean well and feel like they are keeping her safe & helping her. But I also know from experience that it can all backfire & instead of them falling back on you, they just turn their back on you & do something crazy to prove they are in control. They may be adults legally at this age, but most of them are still just kids and don't use good judgment. Being a parent, even of adult kids, it's so hard to know what to do sometimes & where to draw the line.

I just pray this young lady is found safe & sound & she is truly off to prove her independence & nothing bad has happened to her meanwhile. Although to be honest the broken purse strap sounds ominous to me. I have a feeling the debit/credit cards have been used or they would say no, they haven't been used. And why would a 20-year-old ditch her phone, purse & ID but keep credit cards (if they have been used)? Not making sense.

The more I type, the more I worry about Morgan. Please, please let this have a happy ending!

[Lynden1000]

I don't understand why we can't get straight answers. I've been reading all the updates and I still don't know for certain who drove whom, who drove what car, or what was found in the lot (keys were or weren't? I've heard both stories)

I wonder if LE have some ideas and are deliberately trying to obfuscate things for the public?

[Destini]

I still think something's hinky. I can't put my finger on it either, although another posted something to the effect that perhaps the mother is medicated to cope with her anguish. If she's not medicated, I think she's oddly detached from the situation. Totally my own opinion and might be wrong about that, but if my beautiful twenty year old disappeared and I had absolutely no idea where she could be, I'd be frantic. Usually, the parents are more distraught. Again, maybe its just me, I don't think they had anything to do with her disappearance, but I wonder if they actually suspect she ran off but are afraid to say so because then the media will stop focusing on her. I don't know. This whole thing is just not making sense to me.

BBM - I'm wondering this, too

[Maelstrom5]

There are so many things wrong with this picture I don't even know where to start.

1. The fact that she left the arena - someone who's been so looking forward to seeing this concert steps outside when there are probably signs and warnings and someone telling her that if she goes out she can't get back in, still decides to do it? WHY?

2. The fact that her friends merrily stayed inside after hearing that their friend, was stuck outside BY HERSELF in the dark, missing the concert that she had been dying to see - WEIRD!

3. That Morgan, said, and her friends accepted, that she would not wait for them there but find her own way home - they lived over 100 MILES AWAY! It's not like she was going home two block or two miles away! Who did they or Morgan expect was going to drive her back to Blacksburg?!?! Or even if she was staying with her parents, 50 miles?!?

This is beyond bizarre. It reminds me so much of a recent situation and how differently I reacted to similar, but not identical circumstances. We had been tailgating all day and were just heading into the Jimmy Buffett concert. After a long walk from the parking lot, my friend discovered she left her ticket in the car and couldn't get in. She told us to go in and she would come back. We protested but obliged. I was in touch with her for the entire next 45 minutes, making sure she was on her way back, calling her, texting her, and when she couldn't find the ticket, I told her to meet me at the box office and I would give her money so she could buy another ticket to get in. She did find it eventually and came back. BUT if she told me that she was not going to come back and not to wait for her in the parking lot, that she would find her own ride home (we live about 45 miles away), I would've said WHAT??? NO WAY!!! Stay put or I am leaving the concert right now and coming to get you and we can go home if that's what you want.

So the friends actions makes no sense whatsoever to me!!! There has to be more to the story that they're not telling, or that police have not released.

Hi kelloggirl,

First off we like the same type of music, I am a big Jimmy Buffett fan also.

The way I look at it is this, if Morgan realized she could not get back in, which evidently she did, then the question of the girls actions depends on how safe they felt she was. And that depends on the nature of the cell phone conversation.

It seems to me like Morgan had accepted the fact she was not going to get back in and was trying to make the best of it. Now she says two separate things to her friend on the phone; “I will meet up with you later” OR “I will find a safe way home” What does that imply to you? To me it suggests the possibility that she had met someone outside, someone she trusted. Someone she planned to hang with until her friends got out of the concert, and someone who she may have been willing to let give her a ride back to James Madison University. (JMU was where Morgan left her car after diving down from Va. Tech.)

As several people here have stated the student populations of U. of Va., Va. Tech. and JMU are heavily populated by young adults who grew up in Virginia, so the unknown male in my scenario could have been from any one of those schools, or someone Morgan knew from High School. I do not think Morgan would have gone off willingly with someone she just met, but someone she knew; that’s a possibility,

BTW I agree with everyone who has stated that the Harrington family dynamic is strange. In many aspects Morgan seems to be 20 going on 16

[leema24]

2. The fact that her friends merrily stayed inside after hearing that their friend, was stuck outside BY HERSELF in the dark, missing the concert that she had been dying to see - WEIRD!


I find this very odd too. Even if my friend said she'd find a safe way home, I don't think I could just go on at the concert like nothing happened. Plus Morgan seemed pretty excited to see Metallica. Wouldn't she have put up more of a fuss about trying to get back in (even if she was aware of the rules)? I just came across an article that quoted her father as saying that Morgan "attended events at the arena 'fairly frequently,' and liked a variety of music, from Metallica to the Beatles." This would lead me to believe she knew the rules about no re-admittance (particularly if she was a smoker).

Her father also mentioned that Morgan didn't know many people in the Charlottesville area, and it wasn't like her to try to find her own way home.

http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/article/100000_reward_set_for_clues_on_student/47913/

[Serena]

I, too, find the conflicting reports confusing. I've heard both accounts -- the friends' or Morgan's -- of which car the kids used to drive to the concert. This is what was reported on the news last evening on WSLS TV in Roanoke and can be seen on their Web site (wsls.com), from where this excerpt was copied. With different media reporting different facts, no wonder it's so confusing!

"By Lindsey Henley | WSLS10 Reporter
Published: October 22, 2009
Updated: October 22, 2009
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Morgan Harrington’s parents confirmed to WSLS Thursday evening that there is a $100,000 reward for information that will help police find her.

The new tip line is (434) 352-3467.

Officers from State Police, the Albemarle County Sheriff’s Office, and the Greene County Sheriff’s Office re-searched parts of the University of Virginia campus Thursday. Investigators searched the area near University Hall where someone found Morgan Harrington’s purse this past Sunday morning. That search included looking through thick underbrush.

We also have a better picture of the timeline that lead up to Morgan Harrington’s disappearance.

Investigators say Harrington’s trip to UVA’s John Paul Jones Arena this past Saturday began with her and her friends driving to Harrisonburg, where they picked up more friends.

The group then drove Morgan’s car to the arena in Charlottesville for the Metallica concert.

After the concert started, but before Metallica took the stage, Police say Harrington went to the bathroom. Somehow Morgan ended up outside the arena, and she was not allowed back inside due to a “no re-entry” policy for the concert.

Police say 8:30 p.m. Saturday is the last contact that Harrington had with her friends. Investigators say Morgan told her friends that she would either wait for them, or get home safely. Police say Morgan’s friends had no reason to believe that wasn’t the case.

According to police, Morgan’s friends drove Harrington’s car back to Harrisonburg, and spent the night there."

[Kip]

This doesn't make sense to me. Morgan drove her car the final leg to the concert. Wouldn't the car keys have been with Morgan when she went outside? How did her friends have the key to her car?

[leema24]

This doesn't make sense to me. Morgan drove her car the final leg to the concert. Wouldn't the car keys have been with Morgan when she went outside? How did her friends have the key to her car?

You would think. If it was Morgan's car I really don't understand how or why the friends would just drive it home.

The more I read about the car the more confused I get with all the conflicting reports.

[Destini]

This is a link to her family's web page. If you go to the "discussion forum" link, there are some interesting comments there.

http://www.findmorgan.com/release.htm

[Kip]

This is a link to her family's web page. If you go to the "discussion forum" link, there are some interesting comments there.

http://www.findmorgan.com/release.htm

One poster there said her daughter and son-in-law were at the concert and saw Morgan stoned/drunk and saw her fall. I wonder if someone put something in her drink.

This sounds so much like the William Hurley case. Young person goes to event with friend; young person starts acting confused and leaves; cell phone found outside.

[Shelby1]

This is a link to her family's web page. If you go to the "discussion forum" link, there are some interesting comments there.

http://www.findmorgan.com/release.htm

Is this link still working for anyone? I can't access it.


I can't put my finger on it, but does anyone else think that the mom acted kind of odd at the vigil? Almost too calm maybe???

I don't know. This is very confusing.

[leema24]

This is a link to her family's web page. If you go to the "discussion forum" link, there are some interesting comments there.

http://www.findmorgan.com/release.htm

A poster also mentions a tv report where a woman said she saw Morgan in the parking lot with a guy holding her arm and it appeared that Morgan was either pushing back with her hands or the guy was pulling on her.

Has anyone seen this report?

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Is this link still working for anyone? I can't access it.


I can't put my finger on it, but does anyone else think that the mom acted kind of odd at the vigil? Almost too calm maybe???

I don't know. This is very confusing.

Hey sweetie

I can access the page but I can't locate the discussion forum. It's not one of the tabs at the top? :shrug:

[leema24]

Hey sweetie

I can access the page but I can't locate the discussion forum. It's not one of the tabs at the top? :shrug:

There is a link to forum on upper top left section of the page. But this should take you right there:
http://www.findmorgan.com/forums/

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Nevermind. I found it. :blushing:

leema maybe the tv report was on a local news station. I haven't seen it on any of the online articles.

[n/t]

IDK but for some reason I believe the woman whose daughter witnessed Morgan.

It could very well be Morgan got thrown out because she was intoxicated and perhaps breaking the rules and that's why her friends weren't too sympathetic???? Unruly friend and they were not going to miss this concert because of her.

[Serena]

Well, shoot, I can't access the family site with the forum/comments section. I'm getting a message that says

Thank you for visiting findmorgan.com -- This website is intended to be used as an official communication tool to help aid in bringing Morgan Harrington home safely. This site is being updated, so please check back soon.

I'm wondering, IF it's true that Morgan's friends had her car keys and drove the car home without her after the concert, maybe that suggests that she intended to meet someone there that night. Whether it was someone she knew or someone she was meeting for the first time is a mystery, but if she was planning on spending time with someone who would later take her home, it could explain why the friends weren't concerned about her absence. You wouldn't think she'd have had an opportunity en route to Charlottesville to get drunk or high, so if witnesses say she seemed out of it, it's certainly possible that someone gave her a spiked drink shortly after she arrived.

About the mom's lack of emotion, I saw part of an interview with her -- I think it might have been on CNN -- this morning in which she said that as medical personnel, she and her husband are trained to detach themselves emotionally from crises. I don't know how you can do that when it's your own child, though!

[Moonkatt]

A poster also mentions a tv report where a woman said she saw Morgan in the parking lot with a guy holding her arm and it appeared that Morgan was either pushing back with her hands or the guy was pulling on her.

Has anyone seen this report?

http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369879

[Serena]

http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369879
Interesting! I wonder if it really was Morgan and, if so, who the guy was. Presumably, the friends have been questioned about how she wore her hair that night and what kind of earrings she wore.

I happened to catch this headline in the sidebar while reading that story. Boy, there's a scary thought.

http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11370030

[carterkatt]

Morgan's father said she believes she was kidnapped:

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/morgan_harringtons_father_thinks_she_was_kidnapped/57026/

Her father said: "She attended events at the arena “fairly frequently" "

-- so you'd think she'd be familiar with where the restrooms and/or smoking areas were, and the no readmittance policy.

[kelloggirl]

Hi kelloggirl,

First off we like the same type of music, I am a big Jimmy Buffett fan also.

The way I look at it is this, if Morgan realized she could not get back in, which evidently she did, then the question of the girls actions depends on how safe they felt she was. And that depends on the nature of the cell phone conversation.

It seems to me like Morgan had accepted the fact she was not going to get back in and was trying to make the best of it. Now she says two separate things to her friend on the phone; “I will meet up with you later” OR “I will find a safe way home” What does that imply to you? To me it suggests the possibility that she had met someone outside, someone she trusted. Someone she planned to hang with until her friends got out of the concert, and someone who she may have been willing to let give her a ride back to James Madison University. (JMU was where Morgan left her car after diving down from Va. Tech.)

As several people here have stated the student populations of U. of Va., Va. Tech. and JMU are heavily populated by young adults who grew up in Virginia, so the unknown male in my scenario could have been from any one of those schools, or someone Morgan knew from High School. I do not think Morgan would have gone off willingly with someone she just met, but someone she knew; that’s a possibility,

Hi Peter! I don't disagree with the possibility - in fact it's the only scenario that makes me not strongly question her friends' behavior. However, there are still a few issues I have even with the above.

First, I still say as women, we are way more cautious and overprotective of our friends in these types of situations. I wouldn't let it go, with that level of vagueness. I would say who is it? How do you know them?

Second, the fact that the concert hadn't even started yet and she was going to get a ride is very puzzling - assuming she did run into a casual acquaintance out in the parking lot, who would be willing to miss the concert altogether to hang out and give a ride to someone they didn't know well a long way away? Someone who may not have the best intentions, that's who.

Third, if Morgan did indeed tell her friends who it was, why is the investigation centered right outside the arena? Why hasn't it moved away, this person been investigated, LE say they know she was picked up, etc?

Some possibilities come to mind - did Morgan call someone she knew in the area to pick her up? And then she or that person, thinking that the call would be seen on the Last Called or whatever, thought they were erasing the phone's memory by taking out the battery? Did whoever was taking her away force her to call her friends to say she was leaving and would be fine to delay any sort of alarm?

Even taking the rumors of intoxication into account, nothing makes sense.

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State Police getting calls in Morgan Harrington case

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/state_police_getting_calls_in_morgan_harrington_ca se/57086/

Not sure if this is the same woman but the article states that a woman saw Morgan fighting with a man in the parking lot. Also FBI has now joined the case.

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Criminal Profiler Shares Insights on Morgan Dana Harrington Case

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/10/morgan-dana-harrington-profiler.html

[Heidi J.]

Task force looks for possible link


http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11370030

[dulcinea]

Who drove what car where and when is certainly confusing. As it stands now (and that can change in an instant!), I understand Morgan's car was the one at JPJ Arena and that her friends seemingly were able to drive it home after the concert. Why Morgan would not stay with her own car I truly can't even speculate on. However, I do have a theory as to how her keys could have ended up with a friend instead of with her and why they were able to leave.

In one of the earlier posts, there was an interview with a male who claims he spoke with Morgan before the concert. I believe it was right in the parking lot. The impression I got was Morgan was super excited about the concert and seemed quite talkative to someone who was a complete stranger. Maybe she's always friendly, but it seemed very friendly according to his account. I was wondering if she already had something to drink in the car and a friend was driving because Morgan wanted a pre-concert drink. It seems like LE are being quite evasive when it comes to her state that night. If she continued to drink or use some other substance, maybe she became disoriented when she allegedly used the restroom and found herself outside unable to get back in. Or maybe she was being unruly and was asked to leave as someone else suggested. Once outside, someone might have noticed she was not quite right and taken advantage of the situation.

Regardless of what happened, it does bother me Morgan's friends just left without her. The only thing that would make sense is if they already knew she was going to meet someone. In that case, they need to do a lot more talking. Maybe they already have and we are not aware of it? LE seems to be doing a good job in this case.

[bugout]

I'm so sad that there is no word. The more time passes the more chance of this slipping out of the media eye.
I am really gobsmacked that her friends would have driven her car home without her! I mean, at that point, they should have called 911.
So this is sounding very suspicious to me, what if they all found her OD in her own car, and dropped her somewhere?
You know how it is, everyone is partying, not everyone reacts to a drug the same way. Concerts sometimes involve acid, mescaline, buttons, shrooms, exstacy, herion, hash, PCP and that is just off the top of my head.
Now, if everyone took mushrooms, and all were fine, but MH ODs and they are all high on drugs, that would be perfect reason NOT TO CALL
911.

Just putting forth a THEORY here......and some life experience as well.

Bug

[Maelstrom5]

Hi Peter! I don't disagree with the possibility - in fact it's the only scenario that makes me not strongly question her friends' behavior. However, there are still a few issues I have even with the above.

First, I still say as women, we are way more cautious and overprotective of our friends in these types of situations. I wouldn't let it go, with that level of vagueness. I would say who is it? How do you know them?

Second, the fact that the concert hadn't even started yet and she was going to get a ride is very puzzling - assuming she did run into a casual acquaintance out in the parking lot, who would be willing to miss the concert altogether to hang out and give a ride to someone they didn't know well a long way away? Someone who may not have the best intentions, that's who.

Third, if Morgan did indeed tell her friends who it was, why is the investigation centered right outside the arena? Why hasn't it moved away, this person been investigated, LE say they know she was picked up, etc?

Some possibilities come to mind - did Morgan call someone she knew in the area to pick her up? And then she or that person, thinking that the call would be seen on the Last Called or whatever, thought they were erasing the phone's memory by taking out the battery? Did whoever was taking her away force her to call her friends to say she was leaving and would be fine to delay any sort of alarm?

Even taking the rumors of intoxication into account, nothing makes sense.

Hi

At this point in time I really have no clue what the outcome will be. My premise was based on a possibly buzzed Morgan, and possibly buzzed group of friends. But from what I have been reading today “Buzzed” would be an understatement. Honestly, based on today’s revelations, coupled with Morgan’s choice of music, background, and the pictures she adored, then I think mom and dad may be pretty much clueless about who Morgan really is.

And minus who Morgan really is, her real hopes and real dreams, we are not likely to know what motivated her to walk out or a well attended venue, and vanish into the night

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http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/223567


:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Maelstrom5]

Hi

At this point in time I really have no clue what the outcome will be. My premise was based on a possibly buzzed Morgan, and possibly buzzed group of friends. But from what I have been reading today “Buzzed” would be an understatement. Honestly, based on today’s revelations, coupled with Morgan’s choice of music, background, and the pictures she adored, then I think mom and dad may be pretty much clueless about who Morgan really is.

And minus who Morgan really is, her real hopes and real dreams, we are not likely to know what motivated her to walk out or a well attended venue, and vanish into the night

I am posting a reply to my own post for a reason. It was the wall posting Morgan has of MM in the "Seven Year Itch"; it intrigued me.

As it so happens, truth sometimes can be stranger then fiction. I not only know that picture from childhood, but I once met Marilyn, as a very young child in Bridgewater, CT. She was married to Arthur Miller at the time, and I was just 3 or 4 years old.

Years later I would learn of her death in a newspaper store. I went home to my mom and asked her, is that the lady, with the very blonde hair? She said yes, that’s her. Then she said something that meant nothing to me at the time, but I have never forgotten, my mom told me that Marilyn loved children, and she loved to play with my hair.

[Adalena935]

Thanks so much caterkatt!!!

Well at least we have clarification on some of the questions we had. I'm shocked they wouldn't let her back in. Did she lose her ticket? I guess at this point, it really doesn't matter. What matters is where is she and what happened to her? Now, I'm worried. I don't think she ran off.:sad:

I don't think she ran off; never did think that. I think she's the victim of crime and I hope it's not the worst.

[bugout]

Hi n/t, it's always great to see you, i miss MJTenn. Have you seen her?
We were a good team. :D

Well, at most concerts this is standard now: They escort you to the door. You are very aware, if you leave, you are not coming back in ticket or not. It's a policy. Once you are in, you can stay inside the arena. You cannot go into the parking lot and come back inside.
Too easy to smuggle drugs, drink, etc back inside this way. So for the most part, they absolutely will not allow you back inside. The day's of the stamps on your hand are Over. Those are for clubs, not concerts.

Once I needed to get a jacket from the car, and they were adamant they were not going to let me back in. So, I froze. It's a pretty common policy now at venues. I think it helps prevent tailgating and people trying to use others tickets to get in, say for 1/2 a show, things like that. I have a huge problem with her leaving the concert before it started and I still think she may have left in search of something to use. And met the wrong person. :rose:

[Adalena935]

So the friends actions makes no sense whatsoever to me!!! There has to be more to the story that they're not telling, or that police have not released.

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Great post! I definitely agree. Lotta puzzle pieces missing.

[Adalena935]

I think the Mother seems detached too. Different people have different ways of coping. I had a friend who's son vanished yrs ago. She and her parents lived out the rest of thier lives believing the boy would come walking back thru the front door. The not knowing would be the worst in my opinion.

My heart aches for Morgan's family and my prayers on their behalf.

[n/t]

Video yields no clues in VT student Morgan Harrington's disappearance

"We've looked at all the surveillance video -- gas stations, convenience stores, ATMs -- any camera in that immediate area has been looked at," Geller said. "Nothing in the videos is relevant to the case."
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/223693

:sad:

[KatieLady]

Video yields no clues in VT student Morgan Harrington's disappearance

"We've looked at all the surveillance video -- gas stations, convenience stores, ATMs -- any camera in that immediate area has been looked at," Geller said. "Nothing in the videos is relevant to the case."
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/223693

:sad:

So I wonder if she really ever left the arena? Could she be hidden inside it somewhere and the perp is the one who took her purse outside? How do they know for sure she went outside the arena?

Of course, this is assuming the worst. I hope I am wrong :sad:

[n/t]

So I wonder if she really ever left the arena? Could she be hidden inside it somewhere and the perp is the one who took her purse outside? How do they know for sure she went outside the arena?

Of course, this is assuming the worst. I hope I am wrong :sad:

IIRC, surveillance video outside the arena confirmed she was there until 9:30. I believe it's after that time, nobody knows what happened. We know her purse and phone were found in the small parking lot and she allegedly made a call to her friends letting them know she was outside and not allowed back in.

[KatieLady]

IIRC, surveillance video outside the arena confirmed she was there until 9:30. I believe it's after that time, nobody knows what happened. We know her purse and phone were found in the small parking lot and she allegedly made a call to her friends letting them know she was outside and not allowed back in.

Thanks n/t...just catching up on this case.

Gotta believe then that she met up with someone outside? Poor family

[n/t]

Possible Witness Comes Forward

We have new details on the search for Morgan Harrington. A grandmother from the Richmond area says she was in the parking lot of John Paul Jones Arena the night Morgan disappeared. What she saw could be a clue to unraveling the mystery of what happened.

This story is chilling. This grandmother says she saw a young woman and a young man physically struggling with one another, and the young woman looked a lot like Morgan. The grandmother wants to remain anonymous for her own safety.

She called police Monday night after she saw Harrington’s picture on the news. She says the fight unfolded behind her car parked outside the John Paul Jones Arena the night Metallica took the stage. At about 9:30, the same time police say Morgan Harrington had still been on the arena grounds, the woman pulled into a parking space to pick up her son and grandson from the show. That's when she says a loud noise startled her.

"I heard them being very loud and it sounded like maybe like she got smacked or something. The two people were in like a hand lock she had her hands on his arm and he had his hands on her arm pushing back and forth."

The woman says the girl started walking back toward the arena and the young man headed for the road, but ran back to the girl. She says the girl looked just like Morgan and it appeared the couple knew each other. The woman only had a vague description of the young man she saw.

Crimestoppers has announced a $100,000 reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Morgan Harrington, that reward should be official by Monday. If you have any information about this case, call the tip line at 434-352-3467 .
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11374052

[KatieLady]

Oh my n/t....doesn't sound good :sad:

[Shelby1]

Well, shoot, I can't access the family site with the forum/comments section. I'm getting a message that says

Thank you for visiting findmorgan.com -- This website is intended to be used as an official communication tool to help aid in bringing Morgan Harrington home safely. This site is being updated, so please check back soon.

I'm wondering, IF it's true that Morgan's friends had her car keys and drove the car home without her after the concert, maybe that suggests that she intended to meet someone there that night. Whether it was someone she knew or someone she was meeting for the first time is a mystery, but if she was planning on spending time with someone who would later take her home, it could explain why the friends weren't concerned about her absence. You wouldn't think she'd have had an opportunity en route to Charlottesville to get drunk or high, so if witnesses say she seemed out of it, it's certainly possible that someone gave her a spiked drink shortly after she arrived.

About the mom's lack of emotion, I saw part of an interview with her -- I think it might have been on CNN -- this morning in which she said that as medical personnel, she and her husband are trained to detach themselves emotionally from crises. I don't know how you can do that when it's your own child, though!


Hi Serena,

I get that same message, too, when I try to log on to the site.

Thank you for giving me some clarification on the mom. I guess that makes sense, but like you said, I don't know if I could do the same thing if it was my child.

[Serena]

Hi Serena,

I get that same message, too, when I try to log on to the site.

Thank you for giving me some clarification on the mom. I guess that makes sense, but like you said, I don't know if I could do the same thing if it was my child.
That site seems to have a lot of bugs in it, Shelby. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I've only gotten one part of the forum section to work twice.

I know what you mean. If I had a missing child, I don't think any kind of training could prevent me from reacting very emotionally. This kind of thing is a parent's worst nightmare. This young lady has been missing for a week today. I sure hope there's a break in the case soon.

[tootie]

Sorry if this has been posted but police acting on a tip (http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html) "police have shut down access to the Comfort Inn motel at I-64 and Route 250 in Charlottesville and confirmed they were looking for Morgan Harrington".

This doesn't sound good.

[Shelby1]

Sorry if this has been posted but police acting on a tip (http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html) "police have shut down access to the Comfort Inn motel at I-64 and Route 250 in Charlottesville and confirmed they were looking for Morgan Harrington".

This doesn't sound good.

Oh no :crying:

[Shelby1]

That site seems to have a lot of bugs in it, Shelby. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I've only gotten one part of the forum section to work twice.

I know what you mean. If I had a missing child, I don't think any kind of training could prevent me from reacting very emotionally. This kind of thing is a parent's worst nightmare. This young lady has been missing for a week today. I sure hope there's a break in the case soon.

Odd that it doesn't work.......

This latest news doesn't sound very good. I'm praying for a good out come.

[tootie]

The article (http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html) says they aren't focusing on the motel itself but the parking lot. I wonder if security cameras have picked something up and how far is this from the arena where she was last seen?

[dreamtime]

The article (http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html) says they aren't focusing on the motel itself but the parking lot. I wonder if security cameras have picked something up and how far is this from the arena where she was last seen?
=========================================

Well, I hope they have found her.
I hope she is safe.

I wonder also how far it is from the arena to the motel.

[dreamtime]

http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html

Acting on a tip, police shut down access to the Comfort Inn motel at I-64 and Route 250 in Charlottesville Saturday morning and confirmed they were looking for Morgan Harrington.

Harrington is the Virginia Tech student who disappeared last Saturday while attending a Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena at the University of Virginia.

As of about 10 a.m. Saturday, October 24th, the access road to the motel on a hilltop was blocked off by police with UVA, State and Albemarle County authorities all on scene.

Police sources said they were concerned with a parking lot in front of the motel, right off 250, but not the building itself.
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[I]This motel on a hilltop,
and a tip called in, searching parking lot.
\I]

[tootie]

If I have keyed this into google correct depending on which route you take the motel is 6.7 to 9.8 miles. Depends on what route taken.

[tootie]

Edited to say sorry if I didn't give a good link to the information dreamtime. I am terrible about quoting and adding links.
Thanks!

[Serena]

Sorry if this has been posted but police acting on a tip (http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html) "police have shut down access to the Comfort Inn motel at I-64 and Route 250 in Charlottesville and confirmed they were looking for Morgan Harrington".

This doesn't sound good.

Oh, my. No, it doesn't sound good. If they're acting on a tip, someone must have either seen something from the motel or saw something occur in the motel parking lot itself. It does sound rather ominous.

[~jomomma~]

wow! thanks for the updates! i hope they find something!

[Kip]

No clues found in search:

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11376757

[Shelby1]

No clues found in search:

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11376757

I'm happy that nothing was found, but sad that there are no clues. :sad:

[Leanne Weich]

I'm wondering if the perp might not be someone who was working at the JPJ arena that night and was aware that Morgan had been refused re-entry.

Also, as for the mom's apparent lack of emotion due to her profession, I have seen this in my own family. My aunt was involved in a m.v. accident which resulted in one of her children and a neighbour's child being killed on Xmas Eve. A year later, she committed suicide. My uncle, a medical doctor, handled it, seemingly, without emotion.

When my g/d died (natural causes) and I fell apart, I remember talking to him and discussing how he'd handled his losses. He said because of his training he was able to go into non-emotional mode in front of people but that behind closed doors, he was just as distraught as any other grieving family member would be.

[Track292003]

Probably nothing significant here, but I do wonder if we (the public) have heard anything from Morgan's brother. I understand he is 22, graduated from UVa two years ago, but I haven't seen him at the vigil or any other videos with the parents. I think that is rather unusual, given that siblings are often seen at press conferences, etc., these days. Perhaps he is just shy.

[Serena]

It seems that whatever the tip was that led police to the Comfort Inn, it was a false alarm.

http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html

[CC I See]

It seems that whatever the tip was that led police to the Comfort Inn, it was a false alarm.

http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/65900257.html

It shows what I have always believed that so many people look alike that mistaken identity happens especially when people desperately want to find someone.

When Caylee Anthony went missing I could have swore that I saw her at a local Wal-Mart in Texas. If I hadn't heard her call the woman with her mommy, I would have called PD.

These kinds of sightings are heartbreaking.

[n/t]

It shows what I have always believed that so many people look alike that mistaken identity happens especially when people desperately want to find someone.

When Caylee Anthony went missing I could have swore that I saw her at a local Wal-Mart in Texas. If I hadn't heard her call the woman with her mommy, I would have called PD.

These kinds of sightings are heartbreaking.

I agree CC. There are so many blonde pretty young girls Morgan's age.

[GentleBreeze]

I'm wondering if the perp might not be someone who was working at the JPJ arena that night and was aware that Morgan had been refused re-entry.

Also, as for the mom's apparent lack of emotion due to her profession, I have seen this in my own family. My aunt was involved in a m.v. accident which resulted in one of her children and a neighbour's child being killed on Xmas Eve. A year later, she committed suicide. My uncle, a medical doctor, handled it, seemingly, without emotion.

When my g/d died (natural causes) and I fell apart, I remember talking to him and discussing how he'd handled his losses. He said because of his training he was able to go into non-emotional mode in front of people but that behind closed doors, he was just as distraught as any other grieving family member would be.

I just wonder if she really did go outside on her own accord. That place was filled with people and if the perp spotted her alone in there he could have casually walked up beside her and pressed a knife or small gun in her side and told her not to make a sound and to come with him. If he had on a jacket or hoodie no one would even pay attention. Do they have metal detectors at the entry gates?

Then he may have walked her outside and told her to call her friends telling them she would find her own way home and then he removed the battery from her cell phone.

Someone had to take this young woman. Maybe they were even dressed in a security garb or some type of work uniform from the arena.

No way do I think she is just hiding out somewhere.

imo

[Destini]

Something has been bothering me since I thought about it last night, and I just want to throw it out here & see what you all think.

Suppose Morgan actually did leave with someone (that she knew or not) & she just passed out or was extremely messed up. If this person just took her & dropped her off at a hospital somewhere (could be in any of the towns she was in or somewhere in between those towns) would the HIPAA laws let the hospital reveal this? To her family or to law enforcement?

I hope they have checked with all the hospitals. I suppose by now though, even if she had her stomach pumped, she would be out, right?

[n/t]

Something has been bothering me since I thought about it last night, and I just want to throw it out here & see what you all think.

Suppose Morgan actually did leave with someone (that she knew or not) & she just passed out or was extremely messed up. If this person just took her & dropped her off at a hospital somewhere (could be in any of the towns she was in or somewhere in between those towns) would the HIPAA laws let the hospital reveal this? To her family or to law enforcement?

I hope they have checked with all the hospitals. I suppose by now though, even if she had her stomach pumped, she would be out, right?

I have no doubt the hospitals were checked out and I'm sure if anyone was admitted with no ID, police would have been notified.

IMO

[Destini]

I have no doubt the hospitals were checked out and I'm sure if anyone was admitted with no ID, police would have been notified.

IMO

I so hope you're right .... but I'm just wondering under HIPAA if they could even reveal to police that she was there.

I vaguely remember another case, Pam somebody that disappeared in Panama City, FL, & the family having problems because hospitals wouldn't give them or LE any information because of HIPAA.

Probably not even what happened, but I know as a mother with young adult children it's something I would be worried about.

[Destini]

Reward increased: Father believes attacker was local

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/10/25/reward-increased-father-believes-attacker-was-local/#

Metallica has added $50,000 to the reward fund, for a total of $150,000

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In a quiet house where a yellow ribbon adorns a front yard tree and a pair of candles burn on the kitchen counter, Dr. Harrington also confirms that he’s been told that his daughter’s purse and phone were found in the RV lot, a small gated parking area alongside Copeley/Alderman Road, the CSX/Buckingham Branch train tracks, and the UVA athletic fields.

[n/t]

Reward increased: Father believes attacker was local

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/10/25/reward-increased-father-believes-attacker-was-local/#

Metallica has added $50,000 to the reward fund, for a total of $150,000

(snipped)

In a quiet house where a yellow ribbon adorns a front yard tree and a pair of candles burn on the kitchen counter, Dr. Harrington also confirms that he’s been told that his daughter’s purse and phone were found in the RV lot, a small gated parking area alongside Copeley/Alderman Road, the CSX/Buckingham Branch train tracks, and the UVA athletic fields.

Kudos to Metallica ! :thumbup:

[Shelby1]

Kudos to Metallica ! :thumbup:

I agree! I am very impressed with them!!

[Rayosunshine]

I so hope you're right .... but I'm just wondering under HIPAA if they could even reveal to police that she was there.

I vaguely remember another case, Pam somebody that disappeared in Panama City, FL, & the family having problems because hospitals wouldn't give them or LE any information because of HIPAA.

Probably not even what happened, but I know as a mother with young adult children it's something I would be worried about.

That's when an employee of the hospital, who has the knowledge goes to a pay phone and "drops a quarter", anonymously. No one will know who alerted LE, cause LE won't know either. I have dropped a few quarters in my time, but not with hospital cases. HIPAA can and is ridiculous in many situations.

[Serena]

This begs the question, was the RV lot open and operating that night? If not, and the gates were closed, why would she have been there? Or perhaps she wasn't; maybe someone threw the purse over the gate into the lot. In the beginning, I thought this could be either an abduction or a runaway situation. There seemed to be evidence supporting both theories. For what it's worth, I no longer think there's much chance that she's a runaway. I think someone took her. Maybe it was a crime of opportunity; i.e., she was outside, someone saw her, and someone took advantage. The more time passes, the more I fear this won't have a good outcome.

[GentleBreeze]

This begs the question, was the RV lot open and operating that night? If not, and the gates were closed, why would she have been there? Or perhaps she wasn't; maybe someone threw the purse over the gate into the lot. In the beginning, I thought this could be either an abduction or a runaway situation. There seemed to be evidence supporting both theories. For what it's worth, I no longer think there's much chance that she's a runaway. I think someone took her. Maybe it was a crime of opportunity; i.e., she was outside, someone saw her, and someone took advantage. The more time passes, the more I fear this won't have a good outcome.

That is the one thing that makes no sense. Why would she go outside to go to the restroom? Did Morgan smoke and her parents may not know it? I just cant figure out why she went outside in the first place unless maybe it was to smoke a cigarette before the main show happened.

imo

[Destini]

Now I'm wondering about her purse being found in the RV lot, too. If you go to the link I posted upthread, it shows a map of the distance between the arena & the RV lot. It wasn't that close, can't imagine why she would just wander over there. I don't know.

Also, you would think there would be lots of Metallica fans coming from all over & so I'm assuming the RV lot was open. Also, there are several ball fields right there. Were there ballgames going on that night, too? Could have been fans parked in the RV lot for that, if so.

If she was taken inside an RV, she could be far, far away from Virginia now. I wonder if the RV users have to register to park there.

[Destini]

That is the one thing that makes no sense. Why would she go outside to go to the restroom? Did Morgan smoke and her parents may not know it? I just cant figure out why she went outside in the first place unless maybe it was to smoke a cigarette before the main show happened.

imo

There is someone posting at the family's website that there are 2 smoking areas in the arena. If she had been to lots of events there, you would think she would know that. So I'm thinking she didn't go out the front door to smoke.

I have a feeling she either called/got a call from somone she knew to come outside for whatever reason. Hopefully LE has been able to track all those phone records. OR EITHER she was asked to leave because of her "condition," whatever that means, & someone lurking out there took advantage of her vulnerable condition.

Sure would like to know if the tracking dogs tracked her scent to where her purse was found

[merical]

I go through all these cases and what bugs me is that, for the most part, its as if physical beauty is a danger for girls and women. Most of them are beautiful. Is it just that the media tends to pick up on cases where the girls are incredibly pretty or does beauty put you at added risk? I have children who are (I'm a little biased, I admit) just gorgeous, and it scares me to death. I don't let them do anything without adult supervision. I live in a fantastic neighborhood but they don't even get to play in the backyard alone unless the gates are locked and I can see and hear them from the windows. It scares me to think that in a few years I'll have girls who are Morgan's age and I won't have that control. Additionally, by smothering them with supervision, I feel like it just creates a situation where the kids grow up with no street smarts, which puts them at greater risk.

Does anyone know if the rates of abduction have increased over the last few decades or do we just have more media coverage? I'm convinced that as illegal drug manufacturing has increased (like methamphetamines) that the abduction rate has increased, as well. Maybe that's a stretch but I'm convinced there is a correlation.

[Serena]

WSLS, Roanoke, aired a video tonight from the October 17 Metallica concert that "might" show Morgan inside the arena. It's footage that someone took and posted to YouTube. Morgan's parents were shown viewing the rather grainy video and said that it "could be" Morgan, except that she was wearing black tights when she left home while the girl in the video isn't.

Here's a link to the story, but I can't find the video on YouTube.

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/police_looking_into_video_postings_some_think_coul d_show_missing_vt_student/57444/

[n/t]

Not sure if anyone watched HLN but they had a police spokesperson on the phone. She revealed that the surveillance videos outside the arena did not capture Morgan. The timeline (9:30 pm) is based on eye witnesses.

I thought this was very odd and had me questioning 2 things.

1) Was she indeed outside? Not that I don't believe the witnesses but I'm sure there were so many other pretty blonde girls. Maybe it wasn't Morgan.

2) If she was outside, why don't we see security telling her she can't get back in??

I'm really suspicious that she wasn't caught on any surveillance video outside that arena.

[n/t]

BTW....she also mentioned that her purse and cellphone were found the following morning (before Morgan was reported missing)

[n/t]

More pictures were posted on her facebook.

Grainy photos. Is it her?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=162224546575&v=photos

[lune3]

Not sure if anyone watched HLN but they had a police spokesperson on the phone. She revealed that the surveillance videos outside the arena did not capture Morgan. The timeline (9:30 pm) is based on eye witnesses.

I thought this was very odd and had me questioning 2 things.

1) Was she indeed outside? Not that I don't believe the witnesses but I'm sure there were so many other pretty blonde girls. Maybe it wasn't Morgan.

2) If she was outside, why don't we see security telling her she can't get back in??

I'm really suspicious that she wasn't caught on any surveillance video outside that arena.

That grandmother who came forward saying she witnessed Morgan with a guy at 9:30 in the parking lot, that they were having an altercation...she was pretty convinced it was Morgan. I don't know what to think, this case is just so baffling.

[tootie]

More pictures were posted on her facebook.

Grainy photos. Is it her?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=162224546575&v=photos

I can't tell either? They are very grainy. Maybe with some enhancement they could?

[n/t]

I can't tell either? They are very grainy. Maybe with some enhancement they could?

If you read the comments, it appears the girl in the photo is "Dee" and there's a picture of the girl with her boyfriend.

It's not Morgan. I'm still trying to locate the video.

[lune3]

I can't tell either? They are very grainy. Maybe with some enhancement they could?

The grandmother had said the girl in the parking lot was dressed in black, but I can't remember if she described tights or not. Morgan I expect would not have put on tights again going out of the arena.

If the grandma can remember tights, then it;s likely the girl in the photos and the girl in the lot are not the same. If grandma CAN remember tights, then I'd lean to her witnessing the real Morgan rather than the girl in the photos being Morgan.

[n/t]

That grandmother who came forward saying she witnessed Morgan with a guy at 9:30 in the parking lot, that they were having an altercation...she was pretty convinced it was Morgan. I don't know what to think, this case is just so baffling.

What puzzled me with that story is IIRC, she said she was there to pick up her son or grandson? Did he end up outside too? Why wasn't he inside watching the concert?

Please correct me if I'm remembering wrong.

[tootie]

If you read the comments, it appears the girl in the photo is "Dee" and there's a picture of the girl with her boyfriend.

It's not Morgan. I'm still trying to locate the video.

I was looking at http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30313868&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=162224546575&id=1610952252 this one. Can't tell anything by it?

[Serena]

Not sure if anyone watched HLN but they had a police spokesperson on the phone. She revealed that the surveillance videos outside the arena did not capture Morgan. The timeline (9:30 pm) is based on eye witnesses.

I thought this was very odd and had me questioning 2 things.

1) Was she indeed outside? Not that I don't believe the witnesses but I'm sure there were so many other pretty blonde girls. Maybe it wasn't Morgan.

2) If she was outside, why don't we see security telling her she can't get back in??

I'm really suspicious that she wasn't caught on any surveillance video outside that arena.
As we all know, eyewitness testimony can notoriously inaccurate.
And I concur with you that there must have been many, many pretty blonde girls there.

I would assume that the security people have been questioned, but what I haven't heard is that one (or more) of them remembers refusing reentry to Morgan. As striking as she is, I would think that they'd remember barring the door to her, and I would imagine she'd have made a slight scene about it. I guess what I'm getting at is that if she did go outside, maybe she never attempted to get back in. Maybe she was intercepted before she could do so, or maybe she intended to spend time with someone she found more important than the concert.

And I completely agree with you, n/t, that with all the surveillance cameras, she should have been captured on film somewhere out there. I saw the question posed on the family forum, what if she didn't go outside but, rather, was enticed with a backstage pass by someone? I think that certainly could have happened.

Unless this girl eloped or something, too much time has passed now for something bad not to have happened. And it's scary to think about how much wilderness area there is out there.

[lune3]

If you read the comments, it appears the girl in the photo is "Dee" and there's a picture of the girl with her boyfriend.

It's not Morgan. I'm still trying to locate the video.

I noticed the "Dee"..I thought it might be a nickname at first. The girl "Dee" with boyfriend is wearing a different top from the girl in the other picture. I think.

[Serena]

BTW....she also mentioned that her purse and cellphone were found the following morning (before Morgan was reported missing)

I'm pretty sure the second photo in the second row is from the video I saw. It's hard to tell anything from it, but I don't think the hair looks like Morgan's.

[Serena]

What puzzled me with that story is IIRC, she said she was there to pick up her son or grandson? Did he end up outside too? Why wasn't he inside watching the concert?

Please correct me if I'm remembering wrong.

I remember the grandmother saying she was there to pick up her son and teenage grandson from the concert. And I remember thinking at the time, why? It was 9:30. The concert wasn't anywhere near over.

[n/t]

I believe these are the videos

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10424

[n/t]

I remember the grandmother saying she was there to pick up her son and teenage grandson from the concert. And I remember thinking at the time, why? It was 9:30. The concert wasn't anywhere near over.

Oh good....so I'm not the only one who thought that. Also odd that a grandma would be picking up her son. Why?

The story has some holes. Maybe there is a good explanation but the way it was told is odd, imo

[n/t]

As we all know, eyewitness testimony can notoriously inaccurate.
And I concur with you that there must have been many, many pretty blonde girls there.

I would assume that the security people have been questioned, but what I haven't heard is that one (or more) of them remembers refusing reentry to Morgan. As striking as she is, I would think that they'd remember barring the door to her, and I would imagine she'd have made a slight scene about it. I guess what I'm getting at is that if she did go outside, maybe she never attempted to get back in. Maybe she was intercepted before she could do so, or maybe she intended to spend time with someone she found more important than the concert.

And I completely agree with you, n/t, that with all the surveillance cameras, she should have been captured on film somewhere out there. I saw the question posed on the family forum, what if she didn't go outside but, rather, was enticed with a backstage pass by someone? I think that certainly could have happened.

Unless this girl eloped or something, too much time has passed now for something bad not to have happened. And it's scary to think about how much wilderness area there is out there.


Mike Brooks who I adore ( :wub: ) lol, said for Morgan to have gone outside it had to be something very significant. By all accounts she was so looking forward to this concert. Why would she want to miss the main event? A concert she looked forward to for 6 months! It makes no sense.

We have dad saying that she's frequented events there before so it's not like she didn't know where the washroom was or the smoking area, etc.

I am leaning towards perhaps something happening inside that building. Did they do a thorough check inside???

[Serena]

I believe these are the videos

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10424

Oh, man, that's a lot of videos! I hope someone will cull some stills from them. Maybe then it would be easier to tell if she was or was not there.

[airportwoman]

Oh good....so I'm not the only one who thought that. Also odd that a grandma would be picking up her son. Why?

The story has some holes. Maybe there is a good explanation but the way it was told is odd, imo

Maybe she has a son and a grandson who are about the same age? Not an uncommon thing. And if not, then perhaps the son can't drive because of some medical condition or some other reason?

[n/t]

Oh, man, that's a lot of videos! I hope someone will cull some stills from them. Maybe then it would be easier to tell if she was or was not there.

I haven't gone through all of them but if she wasn't inside when Metallica came on stage, not sure what good these videos will do. From what I understand, the girl they think is Morgan is not her.

Frankly, I'd like to see some of her friends speak up about what happened that night.

[n/t]

Maybe she has a son and a grandson who are about the same age? Not an uncommon thing. And if not, then perhaps the son can't drive because of some medical condition or some other reason?

Maybe. Why was she picking them up at 9:00 - 9:30 when Metallica hadn't even taken the stage? Like I said, maybe there's a reasonable explanation but I'd like to know what they were doing there.

[lune3]

Maybe. Why was she picking them up at 9:00 - 9:30 when Metallica hadn't even taken the stage? Like I said, maybe there's a reasonable explanation but I'd like to know what they were doing there.

IIRC, I think the grandmother did say why they were picked up early, but I can't for the life remember why. Great help I am...
I'll try to look for it.

[n/t]

Interesting that this Claire girl said her friends took photos that night. Where are these photos?? Why aren't they being shown?

Post #20

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10424

[lune3]

OK, here are the reports of TWO witnesses who claimed seeing Morgan in the parking lot.....the grandma and a guy (unrelated)

Woman witnesses fight the night Virginia Tech student disappears
http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369879

I was wrong, she doesn't say, unless there's another article

News7 talked with concert-goer who talked to Morgan Harrington before she disappeared
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369010

This one though evidently was BEFORE Morgan went into the arena.

[Serena]

OK, here are the reports of TWO witnesses who claimed seeing Morgan in the parking lot.....the grandma and a guy (unrelated)

Woman witnesses fight the night Virginia Tech student disappears
http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369879

I was wrong, she doesn't say, unless there's another article

News7 talked with concert-goer who talked to Morgan Harrington before she disappeared
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369010

This one though evidently was BEFORE Morgan went into the arena.

I think I'd give more weight to the guy's account. Morgan was supposedly excited about the concert, and is apparently a vivacious, outgoing girl, so that sounds like something she'd do. Surely, LE has attempted to corroborate his account with the friends.

The grandma's story, on the other hand, doesn't sound so credible. If she was there to pick up her relatives from the show, she'd probably have had a wait of several hours. Plus, if I saw a couple fighting and what sounded like slaps or blows, you'd better believe I'd go looking for security or call 911 immediately!

Like n/t said, I'd like to hear the friends' story about everything that happened up until they lost sight of Morgan. Maybe there's a reason why LE isn't releasing that information. But if there isn't and they have no more clue than anyone else about what happened to her, I'd like to hear their timeline, whether Morgan was or wasn't under the influence, whether she was planning to meet someone else at the concert, etc.