Caylee 10/18

[MomofaMarine]

Caylee Anthony - Motions Heard Friday - Murder Charges Stand


http://www.bloggernews.net/122649

[adair]

http://www.bloggernews.net/122649

(more at link above)

The defense team filed a motion to try and get the murder charges and the child abuse charges against Casey dismisses. Linda Drane Burdick, the state prosecutor, stood in court and said that the defense made no sense in their arguments. “It’s a farce,” she said. “It doesn’t even come close to the legal arguments necessary for a motion to dismiss.” She says the defense motion is legally flawed. “It is insufficient.”


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I cannot imagine how embarrassed AL must feel....she teaches law. She better start to proof read Baez motions before he files them.

I wonder what her students think......

[MomofaMarine]

New National Attention For Casey Anthony

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/18/new_national_attention_for_casey_anthony.html

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.bloggernews.net/122649

(more at link above)

The defense team filed a motion to try and get the murder charges and the child abuse charges against Casey dismisses. Linda Drane Burdick, the state prosecutor, stood in court and said that the defense made no sense in their arguments. “It’s a farce,” she said. “It doesn’t even come close to the legal arguments necessary for a motion to dismiss.” She says the defense motion is legally flawed. “It is insufficient.”


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I cannot imagine how embarrassed AL must feel....she teaches law. She better start to proof read Baez motions before he files them.

I wonder what her students think......

Hey there, Adair.

:laugh: There is something in the motions, an accidental phrase, that suggests Lyon's students helped to write these motions.

Something about her not watching over the students, IIRC. Right there, within the motion. OOOPS!!

[MomofaMarine]

Caylee Anthony: The Untold Story


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/48hours/main5393142.shtml

[MomofaMarine]

Casey Anthony case on Saturday’s ’48 Hours Mystery,’ will you be watching? (poll)


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d17-Casey-Anthony-case-on-Saturdays-48-Hours-Mystery-will-you-be-watching-poll

[Lexi]

I am still confused as to what is the "untold" story. I knew more than the interviewer in this case.

[MomofaMarine]

I am still confused as to what is the "untold" story. I knew more than the interviewer in this case.



I didnt watch it. I have only read comments about the show and I see nothing new. :confused:

[msgatorslayer]

In George's depo, pg 134, he is asked about a his 'suicide letter'.

In question is this -

"I blame myself for her being gone. You know, for months, as a matter of fact, for a year, I brought stuff up, only to be told not to be negative."

This is after he is being questioned about his beliefs in Casey's job/s, and catching her on the fact she wasn't working at Sports Authority.

He knew she was lying about that job, thinking it was a secondary job, and that she still worked for Universal. But he didn't want to create problems within the family, and, as George boy usually, does, let it go.

[Sun]

In George's depo, pg 134, he is asked about a his 'suicide letter'.

In question is this -

"I blame myself for her being gone. You know, for months, as a matter of fact, for a year, I brought stuff up, only to be told not to be negative."

This is after he is being questioned about his beliefs in Casey's job/s, and catching her on the fact she wasn't working at Sports Authority.

He knew she was lying about that job, thinking it was a secondary job, and that she still worked for Universal. But he didn't want to create problems within the family, and, as George boy usually, does, let it go.

Seems to me that Cindy and George had issues, maybe because George appeared to not hold down any steady employment. George was probably mad/upset that Casey was not being held to the same standards by Cindy. IMO, George was very, very jealous of Casey and Cindy's relationship. (even as rocky as it might have been). The Anthony family all seem to revolve around Cindy.

[Bala]

Does anyone have a list of the sponsors from last nights 48 Hours. I think it is imperative that we let them know just how we feel about the exploitation of Caylee's death for profit. We must fight for Caylee.

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

I'm up to page 168, in George's State Depo. I really, really wish that I could hear an audio version of this transcript. Seems like George got very, very argumentative and angry when he was asked questions about the gas can and the duct tape on the gas can.

[Lexi]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

I'm up to page 168, in George's State Depo. I really, really wish that I could hear an audio version of this transcript. Seems like George got very, very argumentative and angry when he was asked questions about the gas can and the duct tape on the gas can.

I agree......and why is it so important suddenly that HE couldn't have put the tape there because it was put on "sloppy?" The only good thing about this testimony is that Cindy disputes it. She says George put the tape on the cans. They keep getting their lies messed up, and I am loving it!

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

I'm up to page 168, in George's State Depo. I really, really wish that I could hear an audio version of this transcript. Seems like George got very, very argumentative and angry when he was asked questions about the gas can and the duct tape on the gas can.

Oh, thanks for pointing out that page. That's where I left off, lastnight, when the show was coming on.

The state backed him into a corner about that tape. They had him all kind of confused. They did a great job!! I need to go back and re-read to see just how many corners they backed him into.

[Scampi]

http://www.bloggernews.net/122649

(more at link above)

The defense team filed a motion to try and get the murder charges and the child abuse charges against Casey dismisses. Linda Drane Burdick, the state prosecutor, stood in court and said that the defense made no sense in their arguments. “It’s a farce,” she said. “It doesn’t even come close to the legal arguments necessary for a motion to dismiss.” She says the defense motion is legally flawed. “It is insufficient.”


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I cannot imagine how embarrassed AL must feel....she teaches law. She better start to proof read Baez motions before he files them.

I wonder what her students think......


Hiya Adair. You may have missed this great link Neid provided for us, of the wonderful Kathy Belich needling Prof. Lyon with this pithy little comment:

Originally Posted by neid_77
Defense after the hearing

http://www.wftv.com/video/21317695/index.html


Listen to WHAT!! Belich asks Lyons DO YOU LET YOUR STUDENTS WRITE THESE MOTIONS LMAO!!!

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:lol:

[Sun]

Oh geeshhhhh! George just said that one of Caylee's favorites, was a bear that they just called "Caylee Bear."

...um, wasn't her favorite bear called "teddy?" This depo is hard on my mind, just so many lies!

[msgatorslayer]

I agree......and why is it so important suddenly that HE couldn't have put the tape there because it was put on "sloppy?" The only good thing about this testimony is that Cindy disputes it. She says George put the tape on the cans. They keep getting their lies messed up, and I am loving it!

:laugh: "Someone' is also in the habit of placing Henkel duct tape on HIS GAS CAN. I loved it!!!

[adair]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/48hours/main5393142_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBod y


Is there something (well everything) that does not make sense with this statement by Cindy.

When asked why Casey's friends would say the two didn't get along, Cindy answered, "I don’t know. I don’t know."

"So everyone who says that was a contentious relationship is lying?" asked Rodriguez.

"They’re not telling the truth," she said.

But in mid-June 2008, Casey left home with her daughter, never to return with her. Jesse Grund said that Casey’s brother, Lee, told him his sister and mother had had a big fight the night before.

"Cindy confronted Casey about Casey stealing money from Cindy’s mother," Grund explained. "And a shouting match ensued, which then had Cindy wrapping her hands around Casey’s neck and choking her."

"It’s not true," Cindy said. "Mr. Grund has come up with a lot of statements that are not true."

"You described her as a homebody. She had never left for that length of time. She was staying there for free. You were caring for Caylee. Why would she leave?" asked Rodriguez.

"I don’t know. That’s what we’re still trying to find out," replied Cindy.

"So, when they didn’t come home that night, were you worried?"

"She called me. She had told me that she was going to stay with a friend that night. Her and Caylee."

But one night turned into many. Cindy said she and Casey spoke by phone each day. Cindy said she started getting concerned after a few weeks of having no contact with her granddaughter.

"It seemed like every time that Casey and I were on the phone, she wasn’t where she was with Caylee,” Cindy told Rodriguez.

"What would she say to you when you asked to talk to Caylee?"

"That she was with one of her friends or one of her friends’ mothers," Cindy replied.

Up to that point, George Anthony said the longest they had gone without seeing their granddaughter was "a day, if that."

In mid-July, a month after Casey left home, the Anthony’s picked up her car. It had been found abandoned in an Orlando parking lot around the same time Casey was claiming to be out of town staying with a friend.

Investigation timeline

[Sun]

Oh, thanks for pointing out that page. That's where I left off, lastnight, when the show was coming on.

The state backed him into a corner about that tape. They had him all kind of confused. They did a great job!! I need to go back and re-read to see just how many corners they backed him into.

George is not a good liar. Nothing that Ashton was asking him about the tape should have caused any confusion. George just wasn't wanting to answer the guestions that Ashton was asking.

....I can't wait to see what the impact is of the video footage that Kathi Belich uncovered, that shows the Henkel brand duct tape being used at one of George's command centers. (the tape on a Caylee is missing poster)

[msgatorslayer]

Okay, a short version of George and his gas cans.

He's so busted!!! IMO

He is claiming to not remember using THE gas can after Casey brought it back. He gets confused, and says that he bought new gas cans because the state took his. He's way off on his time and the state points that out to him. He's trying to say that in 5 weeks of summer, he doesn't remember getting THE gas can outta the shed, to mow the Florida grass, in rainy season.

He's trying to pull a bait and switch on the gas cans and the state isn't buying it.:laugh:

[farrahrani]

Oh geeshhhhh! George just said that one of Caylee's favorites, was a bear that they just called "Caylee Bear."

...um, wasn't her favorite bear called "teddy?" This depo is hard on my mind, just so many lies!


Sounds like someone who just didn't spend time with Caylee and had no idea what to say when asked personal questions about her, so just blurted out anything.

Since hearing the whole saga of how the baby got out of bed, fixed her own breakfast and set up the dvd for herself, it seems to fit. IMO:sad:

[msgatorslayer]

George is not a good liar. Nothing that Ashton was asking him about the tape should have caused any confusion. George just wasn't wanting to answer the guestions that Ashton was asking.

....I can't wait to see what the impact is of the video footage that Kathi Belich uncovered, that shows the Henkel brand duct tape being used at one of George's command centers. (the tape on a Caylee is missing poster)

Yeah, thats a better explaination, Sun. You're right. He's not confused. He's lying! And he's not good at it, lol.

[sunstar]

Oh geeshhhhh! George just said that one of Caylee's favorites, was a bear that they just called "Caylee Bear."

...um, wasn't her favorite bear called "teddy?" This depo is hard on my mind, just so many lies!

I think he can't remember, probably because he never knew the bear's name, so he just inserted the name they gave for that little bear they were handing out after her death. MOO

[Sun]

Okay, a short version of George and his gas cans.

He's so busted!!! IMO

He is claiming to not remember using THE gas can after Casey brought it back. He gets confused, and says that he bought new gas cans because the state took his. He's way off on his time and the state points that out to him. He's trying to say that in 5 weeks of summer, he doesn't remember getting THE gas can outta the shed, to mow the Florida grass, in rainy season.

He's trying to pull a bait and switch on the gas cans and the state isn't buying it.:laugh:

I kept waiting for Ashton to ask George which gas cans he used when he picked up the car from the impound on July 15th, but Ashton didn't. (at least not yet, I've got lots more pages to read)

I wish that I had handy, a list of home phone or George's cell phone calls to Casey during June/July 2008.

[msgatorslayer]

To this day, George still doesn't understand why Casey took his gas cans, lmao.:tongueside:

[msgatorslayer]

I kept waiting for Ashton to ask George which gas cans he used when he picked up the car from the impound on July 15th, but Ashton didn't. (at least not yet, I've got lots more pages to read)

I wish that I had handy, a list of home phone or George's cell phone calls to Casey during June/July 2008.

I haven't seen that question asked, yet, either.

But now, they're asking him if he cut the grass the day Casey gave him the can back. He says, he doesn't like to say he's a creature of habit, however, he does try to cut the grass every week to ten days.

So much for not being able to recall IF HE CUT HIS GRASS DURING THAT 5 WEEK SPAN OF RAINY SEASON. :lol:

[BettyC]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-48-hours-mystery-offers-flashy-recap-odd-tidbits-from-george-cindy-anthony.html#more


Hal's take on the show last night.

Last sentences:

In the strangest tidbit, we learned that George and Cindy have turned their home into a shrine to Caylee and keep the child's death certificate out in the open.

If the grandparents had stayed in their shrine, this would be a far different case.

But when you're tone deaf to the public's reaction, you can't help yourself.

[Sun]

I haven't seen that question asked, yet, either.

But now, they're asking him if he cut the grass the day Casey gave him the can back. He says, he doesn't like to say he's a creature of habit, however, he does try to cut the grass every week to ten days.

So much for not being able to recall IF HE CUT HIS GRASS DURING THAT 5 WEEK SPAN OF RAINY SEASON. :lol:

I'm thinking that in an earlier LE/FBI interview, George indicated that he cut his grass on June 22. (and he's now saying that he was planning to cut the grass on June 24)

[Duke]

Ok this is test for spots. :seeya:

[Duke]

Ok this is test for spots. :seeya:

OK, I did it, thanks!

[NosyParker]

Hi, I'm new to this board but have been following the case closely and read her all the time. I've noticed that numerous posters have said that George's suicide attempt was before Caylee's remains were found. I'm pretty sure it was several months later. Feb/09 I think. Cindy made the comment on one of her "cameo appearances" that she also was writing suicide notes way back in August/08 but Casey talked her out of it :rolleyes:

I actually thought the 48 Hour show would be more biased for the defense then it was. I have a feeling that the defense attorney team said a whole lot more then the 20 seconds they ran. The writer of the book (can't think of her name) said they were filming her all day long and I see she was given a little blurb.

I wonder if the producers had to do some serious editing at the last minute after the hearing on Friday and the release of the Anthony's depos. If George and Cindy lied, as they always do, it would be glaringly apparent from their sworn statements and would tarnish 48 Hour Mysterys reputation for journalistic integrity. I don't think George, Cindy and the rest of the defense team will be happy with what was aired.

[Duke]

I am still confused as to what is the "untold" story. I knew more than the interviewer in this case.


"untold" = new untold lies

[Spots]

OK, I did it, thanks!

Congratulations!

Loved Hals description that the Anthonys are "tone deaf." I almost* hope they continue on this PR trip and spew more of their nonsense. Look what that did for S Peterson. :D



*As long as I don't have to watch it and they get no money.

[msgatorslayer]

Hi, I'm new to this board but have been following the case closely and read her all the time. I've noticed that numerous posters have said that George's suicide attempt was before Caylee's remains were found. I'm pretty sure it was several months later. Feb/09 I think. Cindy made the comment on one of her "cameo appearances" that she also was writing suicide notes way back in August/08 but Casey talked her out of it :rolleyes:

I actually thought the 48 Hour show would be more biased for the defense then it was. I have a feeling that the defense attorney team said a whole lot more then the 20 seconds they ran. The writer of the book (can't think of her name) said they were filming her all day long and I see she was given a little blurb.

I wonder if the producers had to do some serious editing at the last minute after the hearing on Friday and the release of the Anthony's depos. If George and Cindy lied, as they always do, it would be glaringly apparent from their sworn statements and would tarnish 48 Hour Mysterys reputation for journalistic integrity. I don't think George, Cindy and the rest of the defense team will be happy with what was aired.

Hi, and welcome.

Yes, you're correct about that. I went back and read, George's suicide attempt was after Caylee's remains were found. The confusion was as you said, a result of Cindy saying she considered suicide, at a time prior to knowing Caylee was dead.

IMO, their 'spin' on 48 Hours was to get to the general public. People that don't follow every intimate detail of the case. As those are the only people that will buy their BS.

[martha]

"untold" = new untold lies I have not read it yet but I just know you or right. that is the reason I have not been in any hurry to read it all. I am just sick of these people and the def. Maybe one day we will have a trial and maybe it will be fair.I sure hope so for Caylee.Caylee needs someone to be there for her.I know we have not forgotten her but some people have. Love you Caylee forever and always.you will be in my heart.Jmho:wub::wub:

[msgatorslayer]

I'm thinking that in an earlier LE/FBI interview, George indicated that he cut his grass on June 22. (and he's now saying that he was planning to cut the grass on June 24)

"I got some gas in the gas can, as a matter of fact this can of ours, or one of --- some other can we have, put some gas in it and Cindy and I went down to Johnson's Towing"

Pg 217

[BettyC]

Hi, I'm new to this board but have been following the case closely and read her all the time. I've noticed that numerous posters have said that George's suicide attempt was before Caylee's remains were found. I'm pretty sure it was several months later. Feb/09 I think. Cindy made the comment on one of her "cameo appearances" that she also was writing suicide notes way back in August/08 but Casey talked her out of it :rolleyes:

I actually thought the 48 Hour show would be more biased for the defense then it was. I have a feeling that the defense attorney team said a whole lot more then the 20 seconds they ran. The writer of the book (can't think of her name) said they were filming her all day long and I see she was given a little blurb.

I wonder if the producers had to do some serious editing at the last minute after the hearing on Friday and the release of the Anthony's depos. If George and Cindy lied, as they always do, it would be glaringly apparent from their sworn statements and would tarnish 48 Hour Mysterys reputation for journalistic integrity. I don't think George, Cindy and the rest of the defense team will be happy with what was aired.

Welcome to the boards nosyparker. You're correct about the suicide attempt. It was supposedly the day Cindy sent him out looking for funeral jewelry.

[AlohaRainbow]

In George's depo, pg 134, he is asked about a his 'suicide letter'.

In question is this -

"I blame myself for her being gone. You know, for months, as a matter of fact, for a year, I brought stuff up, only to be told not to be negative."

This is after he is being questioned about his beliefs in Casey's job/s, and catching her on the fact she wasn't working at Sports Authority.

He knew she was lying about that job, thinking it was a secondary job, and that she still worked for Universal. But he didn't want to create problems within the family, and, as George boy usually, does, let it go.
yeah, he let it go under orders from cindy, who didn't want to "irritate" casey :rolleyes:

[Sun]

"I got some gas in the gas can, as a matter of fact this can of ours, or one of --- some other can we have, put some gas in it and Cindy and I went down to Johnson's Towing"

Pg 217

Gosh, we are reading the same page!!!

[Sun]

Ok, if the trash bag in the trunk of the car was closed with a twisty tie, how could George have seen maggots, unless they were on the outside of the bag? Wouldn't it be impossible to see white maggots through a white/translucent trash bag?

[msgatorslayer]

Gosh, we are reading the same page!!!

pg 259

"Was she ever able to find any photographs of Zanny?"

:thumbsup: BINGO!!!

Ms. Camera Happy Pic Snapper doesn't have one photo of the woman who watched Caylee.

[Sun]

pg 259

"Was she ever able to find any photographs of Zanny?"

:thumbsup: BINGO!!!

Ms. Camera Happy Pic Snapper doesn't have one photo of the woman who watched Caylee.

I hope that the jury is made aware of just how many pics were on Casey's photobucket account, and that not a single one of them was Zanny. ...there is just no way that the defense can explain the Zanny story (lie) in a light favorable to Casey.

[gaelicpeas]

Ok, if the trash bag in the trunk of the car was closed with a twisty tie, how could George have seen maggots, unless they were on the outside of the bag? Wouldn't it be impossible to see white maggots through a white/translucent trash bag?He claimed he could hear the maggots munching down on something.

[ish]

Seems to me that Cindy and George had issues, maybe because George appeared to not hold down any steady employment. George was probably mad/upset that Casey was not being held to the same standards by Cindy. IMO, George was very, very jealous of Casey and Cindy's relationship. (even as rocky as it might have been). The Anthony family all seem to revolve around Cindy.

George was home a lot, Casey dumped Caylee on him to babysit and dumped her on Cindy at night. He knew darn well she wasn't working,yet when he tells Cindy he checked up on her at Sports Authority and she wasn't employed there, Cindy jumps all over him for betraying Casey's trust. I think John Morgan had it right, the problem in house was Cindy.

[Sun]

He claimed he could hear the maggots munching down on something.

Many times George's words and actions leave me with the impression that he saw Caylee's decomposing body.

[Julie Dupree]

http://www.bloggernews.net/122649

(more at link above)

The defense team filed a motion to try and get the murder charges and the child abuse charges against Casey dismisses. Linda Drane Burdick, the state prosecutor, stood in court and said that the defense made no sense in their arguments. “It’s a farce,” she said. “It doesn’t even come close to the legal arguments necessary for a motion to dismiss.” She says the defense motion is legally flawed. “It is insufficient.”


~~~

I cannot imagine how embarrassed AL must feel....she teaches law. She better start to proof read Baez motions before he files them.

I wonder what her students think......


Maybe that is what was behind her disgust when Kathi B asked if one of her law students wrote the motions. (I don't have the link but it is the one of JB after the hearing on Friday.)
She told KB..."Are you kidding me."
Kathi B said "No I am not kidding you"
Maybe AL knew her students could, and were expected to submit better motions than the one that was submitted. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I hope that the jury is made aware of just how many pics were on Casey's photobucket account, and that not a single one of them was Zanny. ...there is just no way that the defense can explain the Zanny story (lie) in a light favorable to Casey.

Which is why they're trying to backpeddle with - The Zanny is Jesse, or TonE, or a stranger!:rolleyes:

[Scampi]

He claimed he could hear the maggots munching down on something.

Hiya Gael. Yep, the man who went into a hissy fit over hearing Mr. Morgan use the word "remains" went into a gross description of how the maggots feasting in the trunk sounded like a hamburger sizzling.

george needs to think about what those maggots were feasting upon, imo. :mad:

[msgatorslayer]

George was home a lot, Casey dumped Caylee on him to babysit and dumped her on Cindy at night. He knew darn well she wasn't working,yet when he tells Cindy he checked up on her at Sports Authority and she wasn't employed there, Cindy jumps all over him for betraying Casey's trust. I think John Morgan had it right, the problem in house was Cindy.

Cindy had an advantage over everyone. She was working. A good employee, good salary, and a great work history. She didn't job hop like George, nor fake work like Casey.

She ruled the roost. Her way!!

[Scampi]

Maybe that is what was behind her disgust when Kathi B asked if one of her law students wrote the motions. (I don't have the link but it is the one of JB after the hearing on Friday.)
She told KB..."Are you kidding me."
Kathi B said "No I am not kidding you"
Maybe AL knew her students could, and were expected to submit better motions than the one that was submitted. JMO

http://www.wftv.com/video/21317695/index.html

I posted this above too. Link courtesy of Neid.

[Sun]

George was home a lot, Casey dumped Caylee on him to babysit and dumped her on Cindy at night. He knew darn well she wasn't working,yet when he tells Cindy he checked up on her at Sports Authority and she wasn't employed there, Cindy jumps all over him for betraying Casey's trust. I think John Morgan had it right, the problem in house was Cindy.

I agree, John Morgan is a very wise man. For some reason, Cindy was willing to end a marriage of 20+ years, just to have another baby in the home.

[martha]

Hiya Gael. Yep, the man who went into a hissy fit over hearing Mr. Morgan use the word "remains" went into a gross description of how the maggots feasting in the trunk sounded like a hamburger sizzling.

george needs to think about what those maggots were feasting upon, imo. :mad:ITA with you, I have seen maggots a lot of times but never heard them in any way. Do they really make a sound? The ones I seen was out side or in a grabage ben but never heard them.jmho:wub:

[My Gal Sal]

Hiya Gael. Yep, the man who went into a hissy fit over hearing Mr. Morgan use the word "remains" went into a gross description of how the maggots feasting in the trunk sounded like a hamburger sizzling.

george needs to think about what those maggots were feasting upon, imo. :mad:

Right on Scampi... I rarely post..because words just escape me on how absurd are the comments from these people. That just says so much. I appreciate all of your comments.

There is no way they didn't know it was their grandaughter in the trunk.

ETA. I will watch this case forever and pray that there is justice for Caylee... this is such a travesty.
48 HRS should be ashamed at their reporting. It infuriated me that the Anthony's were presented in such a ffavorable light.

[Januarybaby]

I have a question I am hoping someone can answer.

Diane Fannings book Mommy's Little Girl comes out next month. I am trying to find info on it because I do not want to go and spend the money if it is going to be all about poor Casey and her misunderstood troubles.:cursing: ( I kinda think its a bit early for a book to come out before we know whats going to come out in the trial)

If it sits on the fence then I may buy it, and if it tells the truth of what we all know as per evidence, I will buy it.

I just do not want to spend money on something Ill get mad at and try to burn

[impartial]

I hope that the jury is made aware of just how many pics were on Casey's photobucket account, and that not a single one of them was Zanny. ...there is just no way that the defense can explain the Zanny story (lie) in a light favorable to Casey.


There's a ton of pictures of Zanny aka Jesse Grund, doncha know?

I'm still trying to get through Deputy Dog's deposition, and now understand why Cindy and George were in denial about Caylee no longer living. Deputy Dog, and Dominic Casey seemed to believe they had actual evidence that Caylee was still alive.

imo

[Scampi]

I have a question I am hoping someone can answer.

Diane Fannings book Mommy's Little Girl comes out next month. I am trying to find info on it because I do not want to go and spend the money if it is going to be all about poor Casey and her misunderstood troubles.:cursing: ( I kinda think its a bit early for a book to come out before we know whats going to come out in the trial)

If it sits on the fence then I may buy it, and if it tells the truth of what we all know as per evidence, I will buy it.

I just do not want to spend money on something Ill get mad at and try to burn

January, somewhere on this forum I read a snippet from Ms. Fanning's book and it was terrific. It does not support this accused baby killer in any way, shape or form....imo.

[charmin 66]

He claimed he could hear the maggots munching down on something.

Do you think the jury will order pizza for lunch?

[Januarybaby]

January, somewhere on this forum I read a snippet from Ms. Fanning's book and it was terrific. It does not support this accused baby killer in any way, shape or form....imo.

Thanks so much, looks like Ill have new reading material :blushing:

[desmom]

Okay, a short version of George and his gas cans.

He's so busted!!! IMO

He is claiming to not remember using THE gas can after Casey brought it back. He gets confused, and says that he bought new gas cans because the state took his. He's way off on his time and the state points that out to him. He's trying to say that in 5 weeks of summer, he doesn't remember getting THE gas can outta the shed, to mow the Florida grass, in rainy season.

He's trying to pull a bait and switch on the gas cans and the state isn't buying it.:laugh:

On July 15, 2008, George took a gas can with him to Johnson Towing. Simon Burch's description of the gas sure sounds like the gas can with the Henkel duct tape...imo.

page 11, beginning on line 10
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf

SB: ....And then he got his gas can and we walked back to the car a second time. And it was a small, round, very battered gas can. An old, metal one.

GW: Right.

SB: All the paint was chipped off of it. It was you know, kind of like my dad had for the lawnmower. Kind of, you know (unintelligible)…

GW: It looked like it’s had some good use with it?

SB: It’s been around. Yeah (affirmative), it’s been around, you know....

pics 18 & 19 - gas can - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html

[Scampi]

I'm honestly not giving George any credit, but imagine trying to go up against Cindy about anything! Whenever he'd try to figure out what Casey was up to, Cindy would tell him that she'd deal with it or that he was being too suspicious etc.

Cindy wanted to be in control of everything. And because she was the breadwinner, she held that over George's head and he went along with her wishes.

They dynamics of that family are absolutely incredible.

ITA Annie. It's like watching a trainwreck. cynthia just does not get that because of the way she has raised this defendant, she contributed to the mentality that could murder a child.

Because of the way she is attempting to distort and lie about the evidence, she does not understand that she is guaranteeing a conviction and more then likely a death sentence for the accused.

As for george, I doubt he will ever act like a man.

IMO

[desmom]

Hi, and welcome.

Yes, you're correct about that. I went back and read, George's suicide attempt was after Caylee's remains were found. The confusion was as you said, a result of Cindy saying she considered suicide, at a time prior to knowing Caylee was dead.

IMO, their 'spin' on 48 Hours was to get to the general public. People that don't follow every intimate detail of the case. As those are the only people that will buy their BS.

George talked about suicide in the same video he talked about Caylee being moved 9 times. I am not sure of the date, but it is when the Anthony's information booth was getting booted out of different business' parking lots.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=georgeanthony_101620081107&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Speaks

[MomofaMarine]

Casey Anthony: '48 Hours Mystery' offers flashy recap, odd tidbits from George, Cindy Anthony


http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-48-hours-mystery-offers-flashy-recap-odd-tidbits-from-george-cindy-anthony.html

[impartial]

On July 15, 2008, George took a gas can with him to Johnson Towing. Simon Burch's description of the gas sure sounds like the gas can with the Henkel duct tape...imo.

page 11, beginning on line 10
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf

SB: ....And then he got his gas can and we walked back to the car a second time. And it was a small, round, very battered gas can. An old, metal one.

GW: Right.

SB: All the paint was chipped off of it. It was you know, kind of like my dad had for the lawnmower. Kind of, you know (unintelligible)…

GW: It looked like it’s had some good use with it?

SB: It’s been around. Yeah (affirmative), it’s been around, you know....

pics 18 & 19 - gas can - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html


Des, in the link, pic 18 is duct tape, and 19 is a page of a book regarding tantrums.

The link has 100 pics, and I didn't see any of the gas can. What am I doing wrong?

TIA

[desmom]

Des, in the link, pic 18 is duct tape, and 19 is a page of a book regarding tantrums.

The link has 100 pics, and I didn't see any of the gas can. What am I doing wrong?

TIA

hmm, strange. pics 18 and 19 are of the gas can when I click on the link. Okay, the book regarding tantrums are pics 20 - 23 for me, so if you scroll back a couple of pics you should be able to see the gas can.. :biggrinjester:

[Spots]

Maybe that is what was behind her disgust when Kathi B asked if one of her law students wrote the motions. (I don't have the link but it is the one of JB after the hearing on Friday.)
She told KB..."Are you kidding me."
Kathi B said "No I am not kidding you"
Maybe AL knew her students could, and were expected to submit better motions than the one that was submitted. JMO

I smell a failing grade on somebody's report card.

[TunaMelt]

He claimed he could hear the maggots munching down on something.

That's just nauseating.

If he heard anything eating anything, if he had one functioning brain cell, he'd realize what he was saying about the body of his grandchild.

Awful man. Arrogant man. Ignorant man. Useless man.

I could go on, but I'll stop. He's not worth the ink.

[Pretty Leaf]

The Anthony's stated "it's like a hangmans mentality." hmm : smell in the car hmmmmm.

Comway's Anthony's "unfairly targeted". hmm smell in the car

Another thing George's suicide attempt when he didn't know Caylee was dead. I did a search and Caylee's was found December 11, 2008 and the suicide attempt was Jan 22 2009. We did not know it was Caylee right away.. but finding a childs bones George knew. But our feelings that George suicide was before Caylee was found could be wrong.

[Spots]

I don't personally think ANY book about the case is worth buying right now, in view of the fact that the trial hasn't even taken place. I don't believe for one minute that Diane Fanning can tell us anything we don't already know.

I was about to say something similar, Cassiopeia. I read the sample chapter, and saw noting worth my money except an organization of what we already know. She did promise a few interviews, but who's to say they will say anything remarkable?

I'll wait for my fellow posters to review it before I plunk down my money. Not ruling it out - just waiting.

[impartial]

hmm, strange. pics 18 and 19 are of the gas can when I click on the link. Okay, the book regarding tantrums are pics 20 - 23 for me, so if you scroll back a couple of pics you should be able to see the gas can.. :biggrinjester:



Got it, thanks !! In the thumbprints, the gas can looked kind of like a hockey puck. :smile:

I haven't read George's depo. yet, just Cindy's and half of Lee's. Lee's is so hard to get through.

Is George saying that he didn't put tape on his gas can?

imo

[desmom]

I am going to finish Cindy's interview/dep with the state. I love they ask Cindy on both days if she had eaten/slept because of her previous statements in interviews like: "I haven't eaten or haven't slept".

[sammy62]

I'm going out on a limb here...I think the 48 hr show was fine. It totally showed Casey guilty. And isn't that what we want. We are very knowledgeable about Cindy and Georgie (can't call him George until I see him in long pants). We have no doubt that they are involved, and need to be charged for coverup. But the purpose of the show was to show Casey's guilt. And I think there was no doubt at the end of the show. Actually, If I wasn't mesmerized by the dialogue, I think it was very boring.

[MomofaMarine]

October 7, 2009 - Wednesday

I gave Diane Fanning a bad Review. But!
Category: News and Politics


http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=417796928&blogId=513357563

[TunaMelt]

JB, I read a snippet of Diane Fanning's book and I didn't like her style of writing. I also believe that anyone of us who are well-versed in this case will know a lot more than what is in that book. I wouldn't spend the money on it. JMO

I pre-ordered it from Barnes and Noble, because I'm curious. Like watching the television show last night, I didn't find out anything I didn't know, but I was interested anyway.

Like most of us here, I've spent over a year following this, so I will most likely read and watch whatever's out there.

The only exception, and I'm being absolutely honest here, is that in no way will I read anything written or pseudo-written by any one of the Anthony family or attorneys or media reps or anyone who has been personally involved in representing this family as supporters. That's where I draw the line. No books by anyone in that group.

I've read that Fanning is not a Cindy-Kiss-Arse, I hope she's not. It's not a long book anyhow and won't take a lot of my time -- and it's not costly either, so if it's a big nothing I won't be out a lot of money.

I imagine after the first printing and release there will be lots of copies available, used, for the price of shipping and a few cents on Amazon, so if someone's on the fence about reading it, waiting a few days might be a good idea.

:seeya:

[achristie]

I watched the show and have a question about LKB's statement that there is an unidentified fingerprint on the duct tape. Is this true? I thought they said it belonged to the lab technician?

FWIW I doubt anything can overcome the lapse of 31 days coupled with the party pics of the frantically searching mother.

MOO Aggie

[jessie]

Cindy Anthony has enabled Casey instead of parenting her. And anybody that tried to intervene was told to back off or she lashed out at them. But never at Casey. Therein lies the problem. And she is doing the same thing today that she has done all her adult life and maybe before. The way she is treating Casey now is the same way she treated Casey when she was growing up. The way she is handling this murder situation is the way she handles all situations reguarding her life. Its just not good. JMO

[desmom]

Got it, thanks !! In the thumbprints, the gas can looked kind of like a hockey puck. :smile:

I haven't read George's depo. yet, just Cindy's and half of Lee's. Lee's is so hard to get through.

Is George saying that he didn't put tape on his gas can?

imo

Yep - the conversation begins on page 160, line 11 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

George said he recognizes the can, but he didn't put that piece of duct tape on there because it is too sloppy. George said "It's not my style" and "But when I did it, it was very methodical when I put it on there because it was very neat."

[TunaMelt]

I'm going out on a limb here...I think the 48 hr show was fine. It totally showed Casey guilty. And isn't that what we want. We are very knowledgeable about Cindy and Georgie (can't call him George until I see him in long pants). We have no doubt that they are involved, and need to be charged for coverup. But the purpose of the show was to show Casey's guilt. And I think there was no doubt at the end of the show. Actually, If I wasn't mesmerized by the dialogue, I think it was very boring.

I thought the rather thorough display of photographs, the ones of KC at all her parties and in compromising situations, was excellent. I didn't think they'd put them out there, not so many and for such a long time, there she was with that pole, grabbing the other woman's breast...

Good for them, for that. Those pictures make her look bad. Thing is, they're true, and the truth makes her look bad. Maybe those who haven't paid attention to the case as we have will see this, and how bad she looks in those pictures -- I thought it was a good display and showed KC as one really awful human being, who was totally capable of killing her little girl.

[desmom]

I watched the show and have a question about LKB's statement that there is an unidentified fingerprint on the duct tape. Is this true? I thought they said it belonged to the lab technician?

FWIW I doubt anything can overcome the lapse of 31 days coupled with the party pics of the frantically searching mother.

MOO Aggie


If LKB was talking about the report on pages 2 and 3 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf it is unidentified DNA not an unidentified fingerprint. I do not remember any documents mentioning an unidentified fingerprint on the duct tape.

jmo

[BlueTurtle]

Hiya Adair. You may have missed this great link Neid provided for us, of the wonderful Kathy Belich needling Prof. Lyon with this pithy little comment:

Listen to WHAT!! Belich asks Lyons DO YOU LET YOUR STUDENTS WRITE THESE MOTIONS LMAO!!!

-------------------------------------------------

:lol:

Andrea sits back and lets Jose talk.... oh my...

I am big and fat, but at least my clothes fit. If she is making the money, (which is way more than I am) you would think she could find clothes that fit or get clothes tailored to fit. It undermines her credibility the way she presents herself.

[TunaMelt]

Cindy Anthony has enabled Casey instead of parenting her. And anybody that tried to intervene was told to back off or she lashed out at them. But never at Casey. Therein lies the problem. And she is doing the same thing today that she has done all her adult life and maybe before. The way she is treating Casey now is the same way she treated Casey when she was growing up. The way she is handling this murder situation is the way she handles all situations reguarding her life. Its just not good. JMO

Like you say, Cindy's behavior in that show shows that she hasn't changed her tactics one bit, and she was as passive-aggressive last night on 48 Hours as I've ever seen her.

She's an awful, mean-spirited woman who loves no one, never did and never will.

As much as I see her, have seen her, I am always shocked at how easily this terrible behavior comes to her.

I've never known anyone like her.
I never will, because
If I see one coming, I'll be long gone.

[achristie]

If LKB was talking about the report on pages 2 and 3 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf it is unidentified DNA not an unidentified fingerprint. I do not remember any documents mentioning an unidentified fingerprint on the duct tape.

jmo

I could have sworn she said fingerprint. Anyone else recall that?

[sammy62]

I could have sworn she said fingerprint. Anyone else recall that?

I think she said fingerprint too. But des is right. They say it is up on cbs page, so I'll go see if I can find it.

[desmom]

I pre-ordered it from Barnes and Noble, because I'm curious. Like watching the television show last night, I didn't find out anything I didn't know, but I was interested anyway.

Like most of us here, I've spent over a year following this, so I will most likely read and watch whatever's out there.

The only exception, and I'm being absolutely honest here, is that in no way will I read anything written or pseudo-written by any one of the Anthony family or attorneys or media reps or anyone who has been personally involved in representing this family as supporters. That's where I draw the line. No books by anyone in that group.

I've read that Fanning is not a Cindy-Kiss-Arse, I hope she's not. It's not a long book anyhow and won't take a lot of my time -- and it's not costly either, so if it's a big nothing I won't be out a lot of money.

I imagine after the first printing and release there will be lots of copies available, used, for the price of shipping and a few cents on Amazon, so if someone's on the fence about reading it, waiting a few days might be a good idea.

:seeya:

After reading chapter 1, I will definitely be buying the book.

WKMG-Channel 6's Mike DeForest gave the books a thumbs up. - http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-gives-thumbsup-to-casey-anthony-book.html

Chapter One http://www.dianefanning.com/mommyslittlegirlchapter.html

[gaelicpeas]

I just listened to that interview of Baez after Friday's hearing. Some reporter, possibly Kathi Belich, asked Baez if they were going to throw the As under the bus (my paraphrasing). Interestingly enough, Baez does not dipute that at all! He kind of blathered for a minute or so, then finally said he couldn't reveal any of the defense strategy.

[TunaMelt]

I'm out on the limb with you, Sammy. :rolleyes: I think if a person had never kept up with this case, this show would have been an eye-opener as to Casey's guilt.

There are still people posting on the CBS board that CBS was too hard on Cindy and George because they are "victims" in this. I guess that will never end, as most people don't know them for the vile creatures that they are. Yet.

I am still laughing my face off over JM's description of Cindy as being like a rabid doberman! OMH That was the absolutely best part of that show.

I love that man.
:wink:

[desmom]

I could have sworn she said fingerprint. Anyone else recall that?

Here is the transcript http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/48hours/main5393142.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

From page 3: "It was ruined and spoiled in a lot of ways," according to Kenney Baden. "For instance, the most important piece of evidence that the state thought they had, which is this demonizing duct tape, was contaminated by the FBI."

A lab technician’s DNA was found on the duct tape, along with DNA belonging to an unidentified person.

"Another party that did not belong to the FBI, did not belong to law enforcement, did not belong to Casey or any of her family members that is on that duct tape," said Kenney Baden.

If they are referring to the report on pages 2 - 3 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf , the report states "due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons." IMO, because it is "not suitable for comparisons", it does not rule it Casey or Caylee.

[sunstar]

I hope that the jury is made aware of just how many pics were on Casey's photobucket account, and that not a single one of them was Zanny. ...there is just no way that the defense can explain the Zanny story (lie) in a light favorable to Casey.

I'm really wondering how they're going to tackle that too, if they're even going to continue that lie or just basically that the state hasn't proven Casey killed Caylee and leave it without specifically naming anybody as the killer. I think they're going to rely a lot on LKB & the forensic evidence, or lack of it as she will claim. :shrug: MOO

[sammy62]

checked the tape. It was dna not fingerprint.

[mickeymb35]

I'm out on the limb with you, Sammy. :rolleyes: I think if a person had never kept up with this case, this show would have been an eye-opener as to Casey's guilt.

There are still people posting on the CBS board that CBS was too hard on Cindy and George because they are "victims" in this. I guess that will never end, as most people don't know them for the vile creatures that they are. Yet.

I am still laughing my face off over JM's description of Cindy as being like a rabid doberman! OMH That was absolutely the best part of that show.

I loved the doberman comment!

[Neffy]

I loved the doberman comment!

LOL!

Jose putting on some weight there I see. I thought the defense all looked and sounded ridiculous. LKB way to jovial. Of course their going to dispute everything like that was a bombshell. LE messed up from the beginning. Same ol, same ol.

[achristie]

Here is the transcript http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/48hours/main5393142.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

From page 3: "It was ruined and spoiled in a lot of ways," according to Kenney Baden. "For instance, the most important piece of evidence that the state thought they had, which is this demonizing duct tape, was contaminated by the FBI."

A lab technician’s DNA was found on the duct tape, along with DNA belonging to an unidentified person.

"Another party that did not belong to the FBI, did not belong to law enforcement, did not belong to Casey or any of her family members that is on that duct tape," said Kenney Baden.

If they are referring to the report on pages 2 - 3 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf , the report states "due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons." IMO, because it is "not suitable for comparisons", it does not rule it Casey or Caylee.

Thank you. You didn't have to do that. I couldn't find a transcript and was gonna find it on tape.

[adair]

Seeing the pix's of the clothes that Caylee was wearing while she was murdered makes me think that the story Cindy told about the night that the fight didnt happen.....Cindy saying that they changed Caylee into her pj and put her to bed. The one theory that they had a fight as soon as kc got home and was confronted about stealing again from Cindy's parents...that kc took Caylee and stormed out of the house.....

But George saying that she was dressed in a blue jean dress/skirt the following morning...with no fight etc.

.....am i confusing anyone else but myself????

jmo

[impartial]

Here is the transcript http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/48hours/main5393142.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

From page 3: "It was ruined and spoiled in a lot of ways," according to Kenney Baden. "For instance, the most important piece of evidence that the state thought they had, which is this demonizing duct tape, was contaminated by the FBI."

A lab technician’s DNA was found on the duct tape, along with DNA belonging to an unidentified person.

"Another party that did not belong to the FBI, did not belong to law enforcement, did not belong to Casey or any of her family members that is on that duct tape," said Kenney Baden.

If they are referring to the report on pages 2 - 3 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf , the report states "due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons." IMO, because it is "not suitable for comparisons", it does not rule it Casey or Caylee.


Des, I don't read the report the same way you do. It says the DNA profile does not satisfy the DNA inclusionary reporting criteria. At this link http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/lab_manual/Linked%20Documents/Protocols/pdi_lab_pro_6.02.pdf, explaining in general inclusionary/exclusionary matches, it's indicated that when there is no match, it's described as a failure to meet the criteria.

That's why LKB is saying the profile excludes the Anthony's .. because the Anthony's DNA were the inclusionary reporting criteria. Apparently there were enough markers to exclude the Anthony's.

imo

[Sweetly]

ITA with you, I have seen maggots a lot of times but never heard them in any way. Do they really make a sound? The ones I seen was out side or in a grabage ben but never heard them.jmho:wub:

Must be the same "Anthony Physics" that caused a DEAD squirrel to be able to crawl up into Casey's car and become Dead, again!! That's some physics, eh? :biggrin:

[Neffy]

Here is the transcript http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/48hours/main5393142.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

From page 3: "It was ruined and spoiled in a lot of ways," according to Kenney Baden. "For instance, the most important piece of evidence that the state thought they had, which is this demonizing duct tape, was contaminated by the FBI."

A lab technician’s DNA was found on the duct tape, along with DNA belonging to an unidentified person.

"Another party that did not belong to the FBI, did not belong to law enforcement, did not belong to Casey or any of her family members that is on that duct tape," said Kenney Baden.

If they are referring to the report on pages 2 - 3 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf , the report states "due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons." IMO, because it is "not suitable for comparisons", it does not rule it Casey or Caylee.

Demonizing duct tape, I like how she's laughing about it. I hope she's this flip when the guilty verdict comes down.

[Neffy]

Des, I don't read the report the same way you do. It says the DNA profile does not satisfy the DNA inclusionary reporting criteria. At this link http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/lab_manual/Linked%20Documents/Protocols/pdi_lab_pro_6.02.pdf, explaining in general inclusionary/exclusionary matches, it's indicated that when there is no match, it's described as a failure to meet the criteria.

That's why LKB is saying the profile excludes the Anthony's .. because the Anthony's DNA were the inclusionary reporting criteria. Apparently there were enough markers to exclude the Anthony's.

imo

But they can't have it both ways double dipping. Is it contaminated and to be ignored or wasn't it contaminated and they are going to use it? We can go back to Cindy's statement again that if Casey did this she had to have had help.

I can't wait until we hear more details concerning this in court. Unfortunately we'll have to listen to LKB too.

[Sweetly]

I'm out on the limb with you, Sammy. :rolleyes: I think if a person had never kept up with this case, this show would have been an eye-opener as to Casey's guilt.

There are still people posting on the CBS board that CBS was too hard on Cindy and George because they are "victims" in this. I guess that will never end, as most people don't know them for the vile creatures that they are. Yet.

I am still laughing my face off over JM's description of Cindy as being like a rabid doberman! OMH That was absolutely the best part of that show.

Oh ya, me too! Right after Morgan said this, they cut to Cindy and the hatred in her eyes was unmistakable! It was downright scary!!! This family is the epitomy of so many negative and hateful things and that is scary, too! Just despicable and disgusting, to say the very least! Might I add, infuriating!!!!!
On a good note, I so enjoyed seeing the footage of the final time Casey was arrested, for good this time!! I will never, ever forget that and how relieved it made me feell!!!! It was priceless!

[mickeymb35]

LOL!

Jose putting on some weight there I see. I thought the defense all looked and sounded ridiculous. LKB way to jovial. Of course their going to dispute everything like that was a bombshell. LE messed up from the beginning. Same ol, same ol.

I agree the defense all looked ridiculous. Didn't really know what Jose said though because I had him on mute. I can't stand listening to him.

[farrahrani]

ITA with you, I have seen maggots a lot of times but never heard them in any way. Do they really make a sound? The ones I seen was out side or in a grabage ben but never heard them.jmho:wub:


If there are enough, yes they will this I got from a page about compost enthusiasts xp

One thing I don't think was mentioned, is that under the right conditions there will be so many BSFL that the surface of the compost will be seething with them, to the point it actually makes noise. It's like a science fiction movie. Now a few here and there are OK, but that, IMHO, is over the line!

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/soil/msg0815060832218.html

[desmom]

Des, I don't read the report the same way you do. It says the DNA profile does not satisfy the DNA inclusionary reporting criteria. At this link http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/lab_manual/Linked%20Documents/Protocols/pdi_lab_pro_6.02.pdf, explaining in general inclusionary/exclusionary matches, it's indicated that when there is no match, it's described as a failure to meet the criteria.

That's why LKB is saying the profile excludes the Anthony's .. because the Anthony's DNA were the inclusionary reporting criteria. Apparently there were enough markers to exclude the Anthony's.

imo

Thanks for the link and the info. :seeya:

I will be the first to admit, I hated science and biology.

but, but where or how does due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons fit in? :shrug:

[BettyC]

I pre-ordered it from Barnes and Noble, because I'm curious. Like watching the television show last night, I didn't find out anything I didn't know, but I was interested anyway.

Like most of us here, I've spent over a year following this, so I will most likely read and watch whatever's out there.

The only exception, and I'm being absolutely honest here, is that in no way will I read anything written or pseudo-written by any one of the Anthony family or attorneys or media reps or anyone who has been personally involved in representing this family as supporters. That's where I draw the line. No books by anyone in that group.

I've read that Fanning is not a Cindy-Kiss-Arse, I hope she's not. It's not a long book anyhow and won't take a lot of my time -- and it's not costly either, so if it's a big nothing I won't be out a lot of money.

I imagine after the first printing and release there will be lots of copies available, used, for the price of shipping and a few cents on Amazon, so if someone's on the fence about reading it, waiting a few days might be a good idea.

:seeya:

Hi Tuna - just wanted to say that I've read Diane Fanning's book on another murder case that I knew nothing about. After reading it I can say she really digs for the facts.

It was called A Poisened Passion about a woman who killed her husband. She had the same blaise attitude about it that Casey Anthony has about killing Caylee.

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2009/09/love-turned-toxic.html

After reading this one, I will definitely get Mommy's Little Girl.

[achristie]

Demonizing duct tape, I like how she's laughing about it. I hope she's this flip when the guilty verdict comes down.

"People do funny things under stress," Kenney Baden replied.

Like not reporting your daughter missing for 31 days?
Partying up a storm?

Another thing I noticed. Many people have posted that all the videos, other than the one at the nursing home, were so silent. I think they tried to change that up last night.

MOO Aggie

[seeing_eye]

Yep - the conversation begins on page 160, line 11 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

George said he recognizes the can, but he didn't put that piece of duct tape on there because it is too sloppy. George said "It's not my style" and "But when I did it, it was very methodical when I put it on there because it was very neat."

I really think George is trying to insinuate that LE put that tape there after they took it in their search warrant. He said it wasn't on the can when they took it but was on the can when they returned it. IIRC, that is.

[impartial]

Thanks for the link and the info. :seeya:

I will be the first to admit, I hated science and biology.

but, but where or how does due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons fit in? :shrug:


Hard to say. What does "result" refer to? Is the result that it doesn't satisfy the inclusionary reporting criteria? It doesn't say due to the limited amount of DNA, but refers to the result.

imo

[impartial]

But they can't have it both ways double dipping. Is it contaminated and to be ignored or wasn't it contaminated and they are going to use it? We can go back to Cindy's statement again that if Casey did this she had to have had help.

I can't wait until we hear more details concerning this in court. Unfortunately we'll have to listen to LKB too.


I agree. They should pick a side and stick with it, rather than swag and sway. Since they have foreign DNA on the tape, better to argue that rather than argue contamination.

Did Cindy say Casey had to have help? I know Anne Downing (sp?) said it, did Cindy say it too?

imo

[AlohaRainbow]

Seeing the pix's of the clothes that Caylee was wearing while she was murdered makes me think that the story Cindy told about the night that the fight didnt happen.....Cindy saying that they changed Caylee into her pj and put her to bed. The one theory that they had a fight as soon as kc got home and was confronted about stealing again from Cindy's parents...that kc took Caylee and stormed out of the house.....

But George saying that she was dressed in a blue jean dress/skirt the following morning...with no fight etc.

.....am i confusing anyone else but myself????

jmo
at his deposition, george said it was blue jean shorts [p. 179].

he also said that he knows caylee saw cindy in the morning of the 16th before cindy left for work and that "her and I" gave caylee some cereal and juice. [p. 150.]

i haven't read cindy's depo yet, so don't know what she stated under oath about when she last saw caylee, but up until now, i thought her story was that she "heard" casey and caylee sleeping (nothing about her and george giving caylee cereal and juice that morning).

[gaelicpeas]

I really think George is trying to insinuate that LE put that tape there after they took it in their search warrant. He said it wasn't on the can when they took it but was on the can when they returned it. IIRC, that is.He is lying. Caylee's remains weren't found for numerous months. It wasn't until December 11 that we knew anything about duct tape.

[impartial]

I really think George is trying to insinuate that LE put that tape there after they took it in their search warrant. He said it wasn't on the can when they took it but was on the can when they returned it. IIRC, that is.


George said the gas can had duct tape on it when Casey took the can, but did not have duct tape on it when she brought it back. That the can was in the shed from the 24th, until August 1. He has no idea who put the duct tape on it, he only knows he didn't because the size of the tape is too big.

Where did they photograph the gas can. Anyone know?

imo

[desmom]

Hard to say. What does "result" refer to? Is the result that it doesn't satisfy the inclusionary reporting criteria? It doesn't say due to the limited amount of DNA, but refers to the result.

imo

I hate science. When I watched trials on CourtTV, my eyes would glaze over when they brought on the DNA experts.

I guess we will have to wait for trial to see what the heck it means.

jmo

[impartial]

at his deposition, george said it was blue jean shorts [p. 179].

he also said that he knows caylee saw cindy in the morning of the 16th before cindy left for work and that "her and I" gave caylee some cereal and juice. [p. 150.]

i haven't read cindy's depo yet, so don't know what she stated under oath about when she last saw caylee, but up until now, i thought her story was that she "heard" casey and caylee sleeping (nothing about her and george giving caylee cereal and juice that morning).


IIRC, she testified that she got up extra early that morning, so Casey and Caylee were still in the room with the door closed, and she didn't want to wake them up ... or something like that.

imo

[Neffy]

I agree. They should pick a side and stick with it, rather than swag and sway. Since they have foreign DNA on the tape, better to argue that rather than argue contamination.

Did Cindy say Casey had to have help? I know Anne Downing (sp?) said it, did Cindy say it too?

imo

IIRC Cindy left it on a message to Yuri. DOH!

[AlohaRainbow]

I really think George is trying to insinuate that LE put that tape there after they took it in their search warrant. He said it wasn't on the can when they took it but was on the can when they returned it. IIRC, that is.
maybe LE left the tape on the gas cans in exchange for the 3-ring binder full of 176+ pages of george's "investigative" notes that george insinuates they took [around p. 292 of his depo] :sneaky:

[impartial]

I hate science. When I watched trials on CourtTV, my eyes would glaze over when they brought on the DNA experts.

I guess we will have to wait for trial to see what the heck it means.

jmo


I love the science/medical testimony ... having in the past represented doctors for 16 plus years, I actually understand the medicine/science pretty well.

Now, the dog evidence, I'm clueless. My ears glaze over. :laugh:

[Sun]

at his deposition, george said it was blue jean shorts [p. 179].

he also said that he knows caylee saw cindy in the morning of the 16th before cindy left for work and that "her and I" gave caylee some cereal and juice. [p. 150.]

i haven't read cindy's depo yet, so don't know what she stated under oath about when she last saw caylee, but up until now, i thought her story was that she "heard" casey and caylee sleeping (nothing about her and george giving caylee cereal and juice that morning).

Don't be surprised when you read her State Depo and find out that she's changed her story also.

[SayItAgain]

Hiya Adair. You may have missed this great link Neid provided for us, of the wonderful Kathy Belich needling Prof. Lyon with this pithy little comment:

Originally Posted by neid_77
Defense after the hearing

http://www.wftv.com/video/21317695/index.html


Listen to WHAT!! Belich asks Lyons DO YOU LET YOUR STUDENTS WRITE THESE MOTIONS LMAO!!!

-------------------------------------------------

:lol:

Love the new sig line, Scamp. That was the best line I've heard out of anyone since day 31.

Did you see Betty posted that someone in the courtroom when LDB made that remark said George had to get control of Cindy? :thumbsup:

[moondance]

out of the whole show to me the most important question was the last one, who is it more important to have justice for casey or caylee. she said caylee.

[AlohaRainbow]

IIRC, she testified that she got up extra early that morning, so Casey and Caylee were still in the room with the door closed, and she didn't want to wake them up ... or something like that.

imo
thanks impartial... so nothing from cindy about fixing cereal and juice that morning
i'm trying to avoid reading cindy's 2 part depo transcript... but [sigh] i know i'll eventually be drawn to reading it :)

[impartial]

He is lying. Caylee's remains weren't found for numerous months. It wasn't until December 11 that we knew anything about duct tape.


Astute Gaelic. Why would he have a specific recollection that in July, duct tape wasn't on the can when Casey returned it.

imo

[AlohaRainbow]

Don't be surprised when you read her State Depo and find out that she's changed her story also.

:ohmy:
but it sounds like she didn't change it to match george's latest version
[color me NOT surprised]

[SayItAgain]

Congratulations!

Loved Hals description that the Anthonys are "tone deaf." I almost* hope they continue on this PR trip and spew more of their nonsense. Look what that did for S Peterson. :D



*As long as I don't have to watch it and they get no money.

How about this:

"Those licensing fees that newsmagazines pay for footage and photographs -- a standard industry practice -- produced a trove of new Caylee images. That's a mystery worthy of a "48 Hours" investigation: How much more Caylee footage do the Anthonys have and how do they decide to dole it out?"

:lol:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-48-hours-mystery-offers-flashy-recap-odd-tidbits-from-george-cindy-anthony.html#more

[desmom]

George said the gas can had duct tape on it when Casey took the can, but did not have duct tape on it when she brought it back. That the can was in the shed from the 24th, until August 1. He has no idea who put the duct tape on it, he only knows he didn't because the size of the tape is too big.

Where did they photograph the gas can. Anyone know?

imo

check out the flooring in pic 18 of the gas can http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html In the top left hand corner of this picture, is the corner of a piece of wicker furniture.

Does it match the flooring in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkkdAF0O3A at 2:21? Also note the wicker furniture in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igrCeTzbFis&feature=related 2:02 shows a pic Caylee laying in a wicker chair and the same flooring.

IMO, LE's pic of the gas can was taken inside the Anthony's enclosed patio/screened porch in their backyard.

[SayItAgain]

http://www.wftv.com/video/21317695/index.html

I posted this above too. Link courtesy of Neid.

Wow. Andrea Lyon does NOT look like a happy woman. I wonder if she's this intense looking all the time?

Kathi kept asking Jose about when he plans to drop his "bombshell" :lol: :lol:

[impartial]

check out the flooring in pic 18 of the gas can http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html In the top left hand corner of this picture, is the corner of a piece of wicker furniture.

Does it match the flooring in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkkdAF0O3A at 2:21? Also note the wicker furniture in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igrCeTzbFis&feature=related 2:02 shows a pic Caylee laying in a wicker chair and the same flooring.

IMO, LE's pic of the gas can was taken inside the Anthony's enclosed patio/screened porch in their backyard.


Looks like a match to me ... also at 1:24 in the first video, Caylee is standing next to the wicker chair, with the flooring showing.

His specific recollection that there was tape on the can when Casey took it, and no tape on it when she returned it is the exact kind of testimony that's going to kill his credibility. The pictures/video's show the picture was taken at their house on August 1. As Gaelic pointed out, duct tape was not an issue at that time, and didn't become one until December. Yet George has uncanny recall on what the can looked like July 24th.

Baez was probably cringing at this testimony. He needs George to be credible for his testimony about the car not smelling on the 24th.

Or, Baez doesn't get it either. :wink:

imo


ETA ... great sleuthing Des !!

[BettyC]

check out the flooring in pic 18 of the gas can http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html In the top left hand corner of this picture, is the corner of a piece of wicker furniture.

Does it match the flooring in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkkdAF0O3A at 2:21? Also note the wicker furniture in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igrCeTzbFis&feature=related 2:02 shows a pic Caylee laying in a wicker chair and the same flooring.

IMO, LE's pic of the gas can was taken inside the Anthony's enclosed patio/screened porch in their backyard.

Now you're just getting downright spooky Des ! Great find. I hope the prosecutors have someone like you on the team.

[BlueTurtle]

I'm really wondering how they're going to tackle that too, if they're even going to continue that lie or just basically that the state hasn't proven Casey killed Caylee and leave it without specifically naming anybody as the killer. I think they're going to rely a lot on LKB & the forensic evidence, or lack of it as she will claim. :shrug: MOO

I was not impressed with LKB in the Spector case. I doubt she will be instrumental here. I don't think it is a forensics case.

[desmom]

Now you're just getting downright spooky Des ! Great find. I hope the prosecutors have someone like you on the team.

:biggrinjester:

The compensation, or whatever you want to call it, George and Cindy are receiving for these videos and pics, may come back and bite Casey big time during the trial.

[MisterGrey]

Thanks so much, looks like Ill have new reading material :blushing:

Here is the first chapter. Reading that George "heaved his last meal" at the tow yard after smelling the trunk was enough for me to pre -order from B&N. For $6.29 I'll take a chance and see if she can tell us FLBs anything else we didn't know.

http://dianefanning.com/mommyslittlegirlchapter.html

[gaelicpeas]

Astute Gaelic. Why would he have a specific recollection that in July, duct tape wasn't on the can when Casey returned it.

imoAnd yet Cindy said George put that duct tape on that can. Sometimes I wonder if these two (CA and GA) aren't throwing each other under the bus - neither one of them say things that are consistent with the other.

[BlueTurtle]

How about this:

"Those licensing fees that newsmagazines pay for footage and photographs -- a standard industry practice -- produced a trove of new Caylee images. That's a mystery worthy of a "48 Hours" investigation: How much more Caylee footage do the Anthonys have and how do they decide to dole it out?"

:lol:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-48-hours-mystery-offers-flashy-recap-odd-tidbits-from-george-cindy-anthony.html#more

Did you catch the time Baez protested a question. The one about Casey gathering up pictures and such at the house. Cindy should have been able to answer the question. Tells us where the pictures are and who has made the income from them.

[impartial]

And yet Cindy said George put that duct tape on that can. Sometimes I wonder if these two (CA and GA) aren't throwing each other under the bus - neither one of them say things that are consistent with the other.


I think that in their efforts to try and explain away every little incriminating piece of evidence in an effort to save Casey, they are actually sinking her unintentionally.

At first, when Cindy thought Zanny took Caylee, she gave LE so much evidence that's going to be used against Casey. She was/is clueless the impact of the information gleaned from them.

imo

[Scampi]

Love the new sig line, Scamp. That was the best line I've heard out of anyone since day 31.

Did you see Betty posted that someone in the courtroom when LDB made that remark said George had to get control of Cindy? :thumbsup:

Hiya Impie!!! It gratifies me no end to know that Linda Drane Burdick is solidly working on behalf of Caylee, she so obviously "gets it."

cynthia anthony is singlehandedly attempting to provide an explanation for every single piece of incriminating evidence. It does not matter to her if those explanations are incredible lies or not, imo, just so the defense has something to throw at the jury.

I'm sure she will be declared a hostile witness by the time she struts up to that stand.

[desmom]

I am reading part 2 of Cindy's interview/depo with the state. On pages 50-51, she talks about calling Ryan in Jacksonville to see if he had talked to Casey. Ryan said he spoke to her earlier that day about getting together, but they had not set anything up.

Cindy must have forgot this part or opted not to share what Ryan shared with LE: page 15 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Pasley,%20Ryan0730.pdf
…called me and told me not to talk to Casey because she didn’t want me to get hurt because she’s been lying about a lot of stuff, and put her in, stole money from her and her grandmother. And she doesn’t want me to get hurt, you know. Which I, you know, I was, I said, “Okay. You know, I understand.” And she, you know, she seemed really upset. She was just calling me to tell me all, what was going on and, and also to ask about some lies that she had suspected Casey of telling.

Her mom called me uhm, you know, uh, in my summer semester, at one of my classes. I remember the specific time and what I was doing. And she basically told me, “I don’t, I don’t think it’s a good idea that you even talk to Casey anymore because she’s a,” uh, the actually, those are the exact words that came out of her mouth was that she was a sociopath.

Maybe this is another one of those situations when Cindy would say "Casey's friends are lying". jmo

[5boxersmom]

Do you all think this is the little girl CA is babysitting?

http://www.wftv.com/video/17873279/index.html

Vigil Nov 8th 2008

[gaelicpeas]

Did you catch the time Baez protested a question. The one about Casey gathering up pictures and such at the house. Cindy should have been able to answer the question. Tells us where the pictures are and who has made the income from them.That is a HUGE area of Cindy's deposition that is being discussed on WS. It seems to me that it had to do with Casey bringing photos of Caylee to JB's office to sell them, but that is JMO.

[gaelicpeas]

I think that in their efforts to try and explain away every little incriminating piece of evidence in an effort to save Casey, they are actually sinking her unintentionally.

At first, when Cindy thought Zanny took Caylee, she gave LE so much evidence that's going to be used against Casey. She was/is clueless the impact of the information gleaned from them.

imoI think after reading the last set of depos for CA, GA, and LA, that I think GA may have helped Casey. I always thought it was CA, and now I am not so sure. George lied so much in his depo. Cindy seemed actually pretty honest, well except the chlorophil (sic) that she supposedly looked up, lmao. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

I am reading part 2 of Cindy's interview/depo with the state. On pages 50-51, she talks about calling Ryan in Jacksonville to see if he had talked to Casey. Ryan said he spoke to her earlier that day about getting together, but they had not set anything up.

Cindy must have forgot this part or opted not to share what Ryan shared with LE: page 15 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Pasley,%20Ryan0730.pdf
…called me and told me not to talk to Casey because she didn’t want me to get hurt because she’s been lying about a lot of stuff, and put her in, stole money from her and her grandmother. And she doesn’t want me to get hurt, you know. Which I, you know, I was, I said, “Okay. You know, I understand.” And she, you know, she seemed really upset. She was just calling me to tell me all, what was going on and, and also to ask about some lies that she had suspected Casey of telling.

Her mom called me uhm, you know, uh, in my summer semester, at one of my classes. I remember the specific time and what I was doing. And she basically told me, “I don’t, I don’t think it’s a good idea that you even talk to Casey anymore because she’s a,” uh, the actually, those are the exact words that came out of her mouth was that she was a sociopath.

Maybe this is another one of those situations when Cindy would say "Casey's friends are lying". jmoyep... but then on 48 Hours, when they ask her if what Casey's friends were saying was true, that Casey and Cindy had a contentious relationship, Cindy says those friends are lying... lol

[sunstar]

check out the flooring in pic 18 of the gas can http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html In the top left hand corner of this picture, is the corner of a piece of wicker furniture.

Does it match the flooring in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkkdAF0O3A at 2:21? Also note the wicker furniture in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igrCeTzbFis&feature=related 2:02 shows a pic Caylee laying in a wicker chair and the same flooring.

IMO, LE's pic of the gas can was taken inside the Anthony's enclosed patio/screened porch in their backyard.

Most excellent work, desmom!! :biggrin: It sure does look like it was right in their yard ~ no question!

[caphill]

Des, I don't read the report the same way you do. It says the DNA profile does not satisfy the DNA inclusionary reporting criteria. At this link http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/lab_manual/Linked%20Documents/Protocols/pdi_lab_pro_6.02.pdf, explaining in general inclusionary/exclusionary matches, it's indicated that when there is no match, it's described as a failure to meet the criteria.

That's why LKB is saying the profile excludes the Anthony's .. because the Anthony's DNA were the inclusionary reporting criteria. Apparently there were enough markers to exclude the Anthony's.

imo


You read it and interpreted it as I did. That is a problem for the State to find FBI lab work so sloppy that a DNA from a lab tech would be found on the tape. The unidentified DNA from an unknown source is a double whammy against the State.

With this known mishandling of this critical piece of evidence, can the defense demand access to this piece of evidence to do their own DNA analysis?

The State is arguing that Casey carried a dead body in the trunk of her car long enough for decomposition to form a body silhouette. Yet there is no DNA, no body fluid, skin or tissue found in the truck. The State says Casey triple bagged her daughter, put a heart sticker on duct tape, wrapped tape around the face and never picked up as much as a single fiber, hair or left a speck of DNA on the tape or bags. Did Casey have herself encased in Saran wrap. One wonders what sterile environment she was in when she bagged the baby.

I await the bug and maggot evidence reports.

[Sun]

:biggrinjester:

The compensation, or whatever you want to call it, George and Cindy are receiving for these videos and pics, may come back and bite Casey big time during the trial.

The fact that neither Cindy nor George are earning an honest living, may very well be noticed by the jury. Could easily influence how they think of Cindy and George.

I think that the unconfirmed/unanswered question of how Casey is paying for her defense team will weigh heavily on the jury. Perhaps by trial time, this info will be out. The State knows.

[gaelicpeas]

You read it and interpreted it as I did. That is a problem for the State to find FBI lab work so sloppy that a DNA from a lab tech would be found on the tape. The unidentified DNA from an unknown source is a double whammy against the State.

With this known mishandling of this critical piece of evidence, can the defense demand access to this piece of evidence to do their own DNA analysis?

The State is arguing that Casey carried a dead body in the trunk of her car long enough for decomposition to form a body silhouette. Yet there is no DNA, no body fluid, skin or tissue found in the truck. The State says Casey triple bagged her daughter, put a heart sticker on duct tape, wrapped tape around the face and never picked up as much as a single fiber, hair or left a speck of DNA on the tape or bags. Did Casey have herself encased in Saran wrap. One wonders what sterile environment she was in when she bagged the baby.

I await the bug and maggot evidence reports.I read that forensic report as the sample was too small to meet reporting requirements for comparison (so it could belong to anyone). In other words, there wasn't enough there to match anyone.

As for the DNA left by the lab tech, with lots of folks handling evidence, it is no wonder that a flake of skin, or a fingerprint, or a loose hair would end up on evidence. THAT is why they keep DNA samples of all of their technicians on hand to eliminate such evidence. JMO

[desmom]

page 60 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Q: (Examining) And then you wrote: Jealousy has taken her away.

A: You know, you start thinking of things. And I didn't know if Casey was jealous of the fact that I was off that week and I was going to spend time with her. Because the week in June when I had taken off, over my bithday --

Q: Uh-huh.

A: -- Caylee and I spent the entire time together that week. It was, you know, pretty much her and I bonding and, you know, having, you know --

Q: Fun.

A: -- fun.

Q: Why would that make Casey jealous?

A: Because -- in my mind, it was because she was working and not being able to spend time with her. So that's my perspective. And this is what she said, she wanted to have time to re-bond with Casey -- I mean, to Caylee during this week, that she was not going to be working and she'd actually have those days to spend with her.

It goes on with more blah, blah. Who does Cindy think she is fooling? Several of Casey's girlfriends and even George told LE about the jealousy issues between Cindy and Casey.

jmo

[BettyC]

Do you all think this is the little girl CA is babysitting?

http://www.wftv.com/video/17873279/index.html

Vigil Nov 8th 2008

Hard to tell 5bm. I was reading over at SM that someone suggested it might be one of Joy Wray's daughters. Remember her being posed in the middle of Caylee's memorial at the murder site?

[gaelicpeas]

page 60 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Q: (Examining) And then you wrote: Jealousy has taken her away.

A: You know, you start thinking of things. And I didn't know if Casey was jealous of the fact that I was off that week and I was going to spend time with her. Because the week in June when I had taken off, over my bithday --

Q: Uh-huh.

A: -- Caylee and I spent the entire time together that week. It was, you know, pretty much her and I bonding and, you know, having, you know --

Q: Fun.

A: -- fun.

Q: Why would that make Casey jealous?

A: Because -- in my mind, it was because she was working and not being able to spend time with her. So that's my perspective. And this is what she said, she wanted to have time to re-bond with Casey -- I mean, to Caylee during this week, that she was not going to be working and she'd actually have those days to spend with her.

It goes on with more blah, blah. Who does Cindy think she is fooling? Several of Casey's girlfriends and even George told LE about the jealousy issues between Cindy and Casey.

jmoIt is so interesting that BOTH Casey and Cindy talk about bonding with Casey during the early period of June (Cindy) and the month between June 16 and July 16 (Casey). Did they not have nearly 3 years to bond with Caylee????

[gaelicpeas]

Hard to tell 5bm. I was reading over at SM that someone suggested it might be one of Joy Wray's daughters. Remember her being posed in the middle of Caylee's memorial at the murder site?

I also heard it might be Holly Gagne's daughter. But whatever, WHO would be babysitting when they are doing a MAJOR production for CBS? It is laughable.

[Sun]

I think after reading the last set of depos for CA, GA, and LA, that I think GA may have helped Casey. I always thought it was CA, and now I am not so sure. George lied so much in his depo. Cindy seemed actually pretty honest, well except the chlorophil (sic) that she supposedly looked up, lmao. JMO

I just finished George's State Depo. Ever since I read through the first 400-page doc dump, I have had some thoughts that George could have been involved in some way. Mostly because he is evasive/unresponsive in his answers, argumentative at times and clearly being dishonest at others. Way too many, "I don't remember that" or "not that I recall" answers.

[impartial]

You read it and interpreted it as I did. That is a problem for the State to find FBI lab work so sloppy that a DNA from a lab tech would be found on the tape. The unidentified DNA from an unknown source is a double whammy against the State.

With this known mishandling of this critical piece of evidence, can the defense demand access to this piece of evidence to do their own DNA analysis?

The State is arguing that Casey carried a dead body in the trunk of her car long enough for decomposition to form a body silhouette. Yet there is no DNA, no body fluid, skin or tissue found in the truck. The State says Casey triple bagged her daughter, put a heart sticker on duct tape, wrapped tape around the face and never picked up as much as a single fiber, hair or left a speck of DNA on the tape or bags. Did Casey have herself encased in Saran wrap. One wonders what sterile environment she was in when she bagged the baby.

I await the bug and maggot evidence reports.


I find it curious that the entemologist's reports haven't been released.

Also, that's why I keep questioning the condition of the tape. Since it was still adhered to her hair, then the adhesive is still on the tape, and did not deteriorate to powder. Since the adhesive is still there, I would expect that DNA would still be there as well ... the tape couldn't have been too exposed to the elements since the adhesive is still there.

But then again, I am in the minority there's the possibility that the tape was attached to the bags themselves (3 bags, 3 pieces of tape), and due to movement, the tape became entangled in Caylee's hair.

The reason LE says the tape was taped around Caylee's mouth/head is because of the lack of the jaw drop ... one's jaw drops during rigormortis. I provided a link a few days ago that indicates children's corpses don't necessarily go through rigormortis.

imo

[gaelicpeas]

I just finished George's State Depo. Ever since I read through the first 400-page doc dump, I have had some thoughts that George could have been involved in some way. Mostly because he is evasive/unresponsive in his answers, argumentative at times and clearly being dishonest at others. Way too many, "I don't remember that" or "not that I recall" answers.Yeah, his answers are all over the place. Of the 3, I thought he lied the most (except, again, Cindy with her "chlorophil" searches, lol - and she STILL didn't spell it right). Let's see, we have the shovel blamed on the bamboo, the chloroform blamed on the bamboo... but yet George said Casey NEVER helped with the yardwork, lol.

[5boxersmom]

Hard to tell 5bm. I was reading over at SM that someone suggested it might be one of Joy Wray's daughters. Remember her being posed in the middle of Caylee's memorial at the murder site?

BBM

Joy Wray or her daughter? I don't think I have ever saw that.

[need2no]

I just finished George's State Depo. Ever since I read through the first 400-page doc dump, I have had some thoughts that George could have been involved in some way. Mostly because he is evasive/unresponsive in his answers, argumentative at times and clearly being dishonest at others. Way too many, "I don't remember that" or "not that I recall" answers.

Sun if you've got some room on that bench, scoot over cause I'm coming to join you. The more I read and re-read, and watch George's body language, the more suspicious I am.

I can't wait to read the GJ testimony.

[SayItAgain]

I am reading part 2 of Cindy's interview/depo with the state. On pages 50-51, she talks about calling Ryan in Jacksonville to see if he had talked to Casey. Ryan said he spoke to her earlier that day about getting together, but they had not set anything up.

Cindy must have forgot this part or opted not to share what Ryan shared with LE: page 15 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Pasley,%20Ryan0730.pdf
…called me and told me not to talk to Casey because she didn’t want me to get hurt because she’s been lying about a lot of stuff, and put her in, stole money from her and her grandmother. And she doesn’t want me to get hurt, you know. Which I, you know, I was, I said, “Okay. You know, I understand.” And she, you know, she seemed really upset. She was just calling me to tell me all, what was going on and, and also to ask about some lies that she had suspected Casey of telling.

Her mom called me uhm, you know, uh, in my summer semester, at one of my classes. I remember the specific time and what I was doing. And she basically told me, “I don’t, I don’t think it’s a good idea that you even talk to Casey anymore because she’s a,” uh, the actually, those are the exact words that came out of her mouth was that she was a sociopath.

Maybe this is another one of those situations when Cindy would say "Casey's friends are lying". jmo

I have to wonder what Cindy hoped to accomplish with this phone call. This was before Caylee went missing, so Cindy can't claim she was pulling out all the stops in her search for Caylee. Cindy is badmouthing Casey to Ryan, calling her a sociopath. Wonder how Cindy thought that would go over with Casey? Did she think a good method for dealing with her sociopath daughter was to start poisoning her friends against her? How was that in any way productive?

I think Cindy was mad as hell to discover Casey had been getting the best of her in the nasty game they played with each other. Casey had more scams running than even Cindy knew about, and I think it made Cindy irate to discover Casey was beating her at her own game. I think Cindy decided to *show* Casey by contacting her friends and telling them to steer clear of her.

I also think Cindy did things to Casey we don't even know about during the weeks leading up to Caylee's death, because Cindy was mad and determined to *show* Casey and take back control of the game.

Guess Casey *showed* her in the end, didn't she? Sick bunch.

[BettyC]

I also heard it might be Holly Gagne's daughter. But whatever, WHO would be babysitting when they are doing a MAJOR production for CBS? It is laughable.

and if this family is still in danger from the kidnapper/murderer, who in their right mind would let their child stay with them?

I found this new youtube BY Joy Wray - She has part of the hearing on Friday merged in with news footage about herself being the "witness".

http://www.youtube.com/user/joyangels4caylee#p/a/u/2/aTKcEVPdNJQ

At the end, scrolling words include "Could I be the one that Jose will call?"

She'll speak the truth for Caylee but she says Casey should have a "fare" trial.

Please, please Jose, call her.

[gaelicpeas]

BBM

Joy Wray or her daughter? I don't think I have ever saw that.
I remember that, but I thought Joy's kids were blonde. JMO

[impartial]

I just finished George's State Depo. Ever since I read through the first 400-page doc dump, I have had some thoughts that George could have been involved in some way. Mostly because he is evasive/unresponsive in his answers, argumentative at times and clearly being dishonest at others. Way too many, "I don't remember that" or "not that I recall" answers.


Sun, I haven't read George's depo yet.

But, "I don't remember" or "not that I recall" are more honest answers than having a clear, specific memory of what occurred on a certain day a year ago.

When someone is deposed, their lawyer tells them don't guess, don't speculate, don't assume, unless you have a specific recollection of an event occurring on a certain date, then don't assume that something occurred or didn't occur. Memory fades the further one gets away from an event/date/occurrence. "I don't recall" is the best answer someone can give if they don't have a specific recollection ... because once you start to provide a guesstimate, then you won't remember later what that guesstimate was.

imo

[desmom]

It is so interesting that BOTH Casey and Cindy talk about bonding with Casey during the early period of June (Cindy) and the month between June 16 and July 16 (Casey). Did they not have nearly 3 years to bond with Caylee????

I find the bonding statements odd also. Caylee lived in the house almost 3 years and they are bonding and re-bonding. IMO, little Caylee was nothing more than a pawn between those two...She's mine, I love her and support her financially...No, she's mine, I love her and I gave birth to her...That poor baby! :cursing:

jmo

[sunstar]

page 60 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Q: (Examining) And then you wrote: Jealousy has taken her away.

A: You know, you start thinking of things. And I didn't know if Casey was jealous of the fact that I was off that week and I was going to spend time with her. Because the week in June when I had taken off, over my bithday --

Q: Uh-huh.

A: -- Caylee and I spent the entire time together that week. It was, you know, pretty much her and I bonding and, you know, having, you know --

Q: Fun.

A: -- fun.

Q: Why would that make Casey jealous?

A: Because -- in my mind, it was because she was working and not being able to spend time with her. So that's my perspective. And this is what she said, she wanted to have time to re-bond with Casey -- I mean, to Caylee during this week, that she was not going to be working and she'd actually have those days to spend with her.

It goes on with more blah, blah. Who does Cindy think she is fooling? Several of Casey's girlfriends and even George told LE about the jealousy issues between Cindy and Casey.

jmo
I think she's in denial about what their (her & Casey's) relationship was really like, and she pretty much knows it would take a miracle for her to ever have a chance to change that relationship so she imagines it as something better than it was. What I found really interesting was Cindy's use of the word "bond" ~ with her "bonding" with Caylee the week she was on vacation and then Casey "re-bonding" with Caylee when she was off work. You'd think the absent parent was coming home from a tour in Iraq or something. One usually doesn't have to "re-bond" with their child each night they come home from work. MOO

[gaelicpeas]

and if this family is still in danger from the kidnapper/murderer, who in their right mind would let their child stay with them?

I found this new youtube BY Joy Wray - She has part of the hearing on Friday merged in with news footage about herself being the "witness".

http://www.youtube.com/user/joyangels4caylee#p/a/u/2/aTKcEVPdNJQ

At the end, scrolling words include "Could I be the one that Jose will call?"

She'll speak the truth for Caylee but she says Casey should have a "fare" trial.

Please, please Jose, call her.LOL! That is what we are all wishing.

[BettyC]

BBM

Joy Wray or her daughter? I don't think I have ever saw that.

Her daughter ! She plopped her right in the middle of the stuffed animals left at the crime scene and took her picture !. I'll see if I can find it. (I was looking and got distracted by that last youtube I just posted.)

[gaelicpeas]

Sun, I haven't read George's depo yet.

But, "I don't remember" or "not that I recall" are more honest answers than having a clear, specific memory of what occurred on a certain day a year ago.

When someone is deposed, their lawyer tells them don't guess, don't speculate, don't assume, unless you have a specific recollection of an event occurring on a certain date, then don't assume that something occurred or didn't occur. Memory fades the further one gets away from an event/date/occurrence. "I don't recall" is the best answer someone can give if they don't have a specific recollection ... because once you start to provide a guesstimate, then you won't remember later what that guesstimate was.

imoI suggest you read GA"s depo. It is enlightening.

[sunstar]

I find the bonding statements odd also. Caylee lived in the house almost 3 years and they are bonding and re-bonding. IMO, little Caylee was nothing more than a pawn between those two...She's mine, I love her and support her financially...No, she's mine, I love her and I gave birth to her...That poor baby! :cursing:

jmo

I agree and think there was a lot of that going on all during Caylee's short life until one night one of them permanently took her away from the other. :crying: I can't help but think about what Jesse said that he believes Cindy was behind their engagement being broken off because she wanted to control Casey & Caylee. MOO

[need2no]

I also heard it might be Holly Gagne's daughter. But whatever, WHO would be babysitting when they are doing a MAJOR production for CBS? It is laughable.

ITA, I don't know what's more coincidental :wink:, Cindy babysitting during the taping of the show, or Cindy reading her Bible during the taping of the show. I wonder how many people she thought she could fool?

Do you think Cindy knew the depo with Morgan segment would be included in the show?

[gaelicpeas]

I find the bonding statements odd also. Caylee lived in the house almost 3 years and they are bonding and re-bonding. IMO, little Caylee was nothing more than a pawn between those two...She's mine, I love her and support her financially...No, she's mine, I love her and I gave birth to her...That poor baby! :cursing:

jmoyeah, it is odd. The hard thing to figure out is this family, though. They all appear so dysfuntional to me that I can't figure out who was really the bad guy. I keep going back and forth on that.

[desmom]

Sun, I haven't read George's depo yet.

But, "I don't remember" or "not that I recall" are more honest answers than having a clear, specific memory of what occurred on a certain day a year ago.

When someone is deposed, their lawyer tells them don't guess, don't speculate, don't assume, unless you have a specific recollection of an event occurring on a certain date, then don't assume that something occurred or didn't occur. Memory fades the further one gets away from an event/date/occurrence. "I don't recall" is the best answer someone can give if they don't have a specific recollection ... because once you start to provide a guesstimate, then you won't remember later what that guesstimate was.

imo

Thanks for the info. :seeya:

How about the phrase "as a matter of fact"? George sure liked that phrase. :tonguewag:

[gaelicpeas]

ITA, I don't know what's more coincidental :wink:, Cindy babysitting during the taping of the show, or Cindy reading her Bible during the taping of the show. I wonder how many people she thought she could fool?

Do you think Cindy knew the depo with Morgan segment would be included in the show?
Oh my, I must have run to the bathroom for the bible reading. Did she read something aloud, or was she just pictured reading from the Bible?

[SayItAgain]

It is so interesting that BOTH Casey and Cindy talk about bonding with Casey during the early period of June (Cindy) and the month between June 16 and July 16 (Casey). Did they not have nearly 3 years to bond with Caylee????

I don't know that Casey ever said the word "bond." I think Cindy said Casey said it. So technically that makes it a lie to the second power. :rolleyes:

I don't think either woman has a clue about "bonding." It's another word Cindy borrowed from something she read because she thinks it makes her sound intelligent. Cindy wouldn't know a "bonding experience" with anyone else if it bit her on her tail. The only thing Cindy is "bonded" to is herself. imo

[gaelicpeas]

Thanks for the info. :seeya:

How about the phrase "as a matter of fact"? George sure liked that phrase. :tonguewag:Or, "in all honesty" or "truthfully". LOL, this was a depo... isn't everything under oath?

[gaelicpeas]

I mentioned earlier about Baez' media interview after Friday's hearing, and no one responded. He seemed to flounder around a bit with regards to the reporter's question (I think it was Belich) as to who the defense was going to throw under the bus. So who do you think it will be, GA or CA?

[SayItAgain]

I just finished George's State Depo. Ever since I read through the first 400-page doc dump, I have had some thoughts that George could have been involved in some way. Mostly because he is evasive/unresponsive in his answers, argumentative at times and clearly being dishonest at others. Way too many, "I don't remember that" or "not that I recall" answers.

And yet we discover thru this depo he has his very own 3-ring binder, chock full of all his "detective notes." :rolleyes:

Oh, that's right ... he did have it. Until LE stole it.

[impartial]

I suggest you read GA"s depo. It is enlightening.


Lee's depo was ridiculous to me. He's so all over the place with "suspects".

imo

[gaelicpeas]

Lee's depo was ridiculous to me. He's so all over the place with "suspects".

imoIMO, Lee was trying to make sense out of nonsense - just being a big brother trying to help his little sister. But I don't really think he was lying. It was pretty clear that GA was lying, though.

[Sun]

I find it curious that the entemologist's reports haven't been released.

Also, that's why I keep questioning the condition of the tape. Since it was still adhered to her hair, then the adhesive is still on the tape, and did not deteriorate to powder. Since the adhesive is still there, I would expect that DNA would still be there as well ... the tape couldn't have been too exposed to the elements since the adhesive is still there.

But then again, I am in the minority there's the possibility that the tape was attached to the bags themselves (3 bags, 3 pieces of tape), and due to movement, the tape became entangled in Caylee's hair.

The reason LE says the tape was taped around Caylee's mouth/head is because of the lack of the jaw drop ... one's jaw drops during rigormortis. I provided a link a few days ago that indicates children's corpses don't necessarily go through rigormortis.

imo

I have seen no report that indicated that adhesive was still on the tape. Can you point me to where it says that. There are many ways that something can stick together, it doesn't take adhesive only for that to occur.

I'm quite certain that the defense will dispute Dr. G's finding of the cause of death. Homocide, by undetermined means.

[Elyssa]

ITA, I don't know what's more coincidental :wink:, Cindy babysitting during the taping of the show, or Cindy reading her Bible during the taping of the show. I wonder how many people she thought she could fool?

Do you think Cindy knew the depo with Morgan segment would be included in the show?

BBM
Yep, I thought the same thing. Last year she was outside holding her hammer yelling at people. This year she's sitting outside, reading the bible. Cindy's not fooling anybody whose followed this case. She's still in denial, she's still telling mistruths and will continue supporting her accused daughter. jmo.

The A's make my blood boil. That's why I have to take a break every so often. :cool:

[SayItAgain]

I mentioned earlier about Baez' media interview after Friday's hearing, and no one responded. He seemed to flounder around a bit with regards to the reporter's question (I think it was Belich) as to who the defense was going to throw under the bus. So who do you think it will be, GA or CA?

Impossible to say, as that clever defense team seems to have a theory du jour.

When Baez doesn't answer Belich's questions it's usually because he's deliberately ignoring her, imo. Jose no like Kathi, lol.

[impartial]

I have seen no report that indicated that adhesive was still on the tape. Can you point me to where it says that. There are many ways that something can stick together, it doesn't take adhesive only for that to occur.

I'm quite certain that the defense will dispute Dr. G's finding of the cause of death. Homocide, by undetermined means.


Sun, I've been questioning the condition of the tape for weeks now. I can't seem to find an answer, except deduction ... the report that the hair had to be cut away from the tape ... tells me that the hair is adhered to the tape. If the hair is stuck to the tape by way of mud/debris, then isn't that harder for the State to say that it was taped around Caylee's head? I dunno.


Also, the adhesive on non rated duct tape takes a few years to turn to powder when exposed to heat. Don't know how long it takes when exposed to water. Don't know how long it was exposed to water, and when it was exposed to water.

Questions, questions, questions.

imo

[BettyC]

Someone directed me back to this video that Joy Wray put up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTKcEVPdNJQ

Look at .25 seconds into it and look who is walking along with Joy Wray.

Doesn't it look just like Jim Lichtenstein?

[Sun]

Sun if you've got some room on that bench, scoot over cause I'm coming to join you. The more I read and re-read, and watch George's body language, the more suspicious I am.

I can't wait to read the GJ testimony.

I've continued to search through Discovery, but nothing released to date has ever quashed my suspicious feelings towards George. He does appear to be a chronic liar, much like Casey. There is no doubt in my mind that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. None. I just guess that I still have some doubts about just how Caylee ended up dumped alongside Suburban Drive in the woods. As in who did this part.

[SayItAgain]

I have seen no report that indicated that adhesive was still on the tape. Can you point me to where it says that. There are many ways that something can stick together, it doesn't take adhesive only for that to occur.

I'm quite certain that the defense will dispute Dr. G's finding of the cause of death. Homocide, by undetermined means.

Bolded to address. And I can hardly wait for it. Let's stack Dr. G's experience with dead bodies up against the dream team's in its entirety. At least a few of the state's expert witnesses are the cream of the crop in their fields. The defense will be stacking their lack of experience and complete absence of credibility up against the likes of Jan Garavaglia and Neal Haskell. Good luck with that.

[Pierre]

BBM
Yep, I thought the same thing. Last year she was outside holding her hammer yelling at people. This year she's sitting outside, reading the bible. Cindy's not fooling anybody whose followed this case. She's still in denial, she's still telling mistruths and will continue supporting her accused daughter. jmo.

The A's make my blood boil. That's why I have to take a break every so often. :cool:

BBM That is an understatement. Cindy's exact words; Calling people Maggots and parasites and to get off our azz and search for Caylee!

[impartial]

IMO, Lee was trying to make sense out of nonsense - just being a big brother trying to help his little sister. But I don't really think he was lying. It was pretty clear that GA was lying, though.

I don't think he was lying, but his opinions about who may else be a suspect were fairly strong, and in his mind, were supported by evidence. Evidence, mind you, that Dominic Casey seemed to provide, and support.

That's why I posted after I read his depo., no wonder George and Cindy were in denial about Caylee being dead ... Lee's belief that she was still alive and his belief that he had evidence to support that.

But, I may change my mind about George once I read his depo. I always found the report of the missing gan can rather odd. Who calls in a police report for a gas can? My hose from my front yard was stolen, and so was one of my boys bikes. I didn't call the police. Strange, and even stranger that Casey returned them the day he reported it.

imo

[need2no]

Oh my, I must have run to the bathroom for the bible reading. Did she read something aloud, or was she just pictured reading from the Bible?

IIRC she was reading the bible while she was on the swing.

[sunstar]

I mentioned earlier about Baez' media interview after Friday's hearing, and no one responded. He seemed to flounder around a bit with regards to the reporter's question (I think it was Belich) as to who the defense was going to throw under the bus. So who do you think it will be, GA or CA?

Everybody they possibly can is what I think! And of course it will start with Jesse, imo. MOO

[need2no]

I've continued to search through Discovery, but nothing released to date has ever quashed my suspicious feelings towards George. He does appear to be a chronic liar, much like Casey. There is no doubt in my mind that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. None. I just guess that I still have some doubts about just how Caylee ended up dumped alongside Suburban Drive in the woods. As in who did this part.

Oh I agree, I'm not suspicious HE did anything to Caylee, just suspicious as to when he knew she was dead, and what all he did to cover up for casey.

[sunstar]

I've continued to search through Discovery, but nothing released to date has ever quashed my suspicious feelings towards George. He does appear to be a chronic liar, much like Casey. There is no doubt in my mind that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. None. I just guess that I still have some doubts about just how Caylee ended up dumped alongside Suburban Drive in the woods. As in who did this part.

Even though I absolutely believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death, that's the one thing I agree with Holly about ~ I can't see Casey getting herself "dirty" by handling the decomposing remains, even though Caylee was in three bags. MOO

[gaelicpeas]

I don't think he was lying, but his opinions about who may else be a suspect were fairly strong, and in his mind, were supported by evidence. Evidence, mind you, that Dominic Casey seemed to provide, and support.

That's why I posted after I read his depo., no wonder George and Cindy were in denial about Caylee being dead ... Lee's belief that she was still alive and his belief that he had evidence to support that.

But, I may change my mind about George once I read his depo. I always found the report of the missing gan can rather odd. Who calls in a police report for a gas can? My hose from my front yard was stolen, and so was one of my boys bikes. I didn't call the police. Strange, and even stranger that Casey returned them the day he reported it.

imoThey had no evidence of anything! Are you kidding me?

[need2no]

I think the little girl playing in Caylee's room on 48 Hours might be the same little girl at one of the vigils photographed hugging Cindy. As suggested already, probably Holly's daughter as we know she attended the vigils.

Cindy Anthony Becomes Emotional While Hugging Little Girl At Vigil

Cindy said she lost control of her emotions when a little girl around Caylee's age hugged her.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17872004/detail.html
November 3, 2008

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-cindyshowstrueemotionwit-2.jpg

[gaelicpeas]

I think the little girl playing in Caylee's room on 48 Hours might be the same little girl at one of the vigils photographed hugging Cindy. As suggested already, probably Holly's daughter as we know she attended the vigils.

Cindy Anthony Becomes Emotional While Hugging Little Girl At Vigil

Cindy said she lost control of her emotions when a little girl around Caylee's age hugged her.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17872004/detail.html
November 3, 2008

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-cindyshowstrueemotionwit-2.jpgYep, I agree with you on this.

[sunstar]

I don't think he was lying, but his opinions about who may else be a suspect were fairly strong, and in his mind, were supported by evidence. Evidence, mind you, that Dominic Casey seemed to provide, and support.

That's why I posted after I read his depo., no wonder George and Cindy were in denial about Caylee being dead ... Lee's belief that she was still alive and his belief that he had evidence to support that.

But, I may change my mind about George once I read his depo. I always found the report of the missing gan can rather odd. Who calls in a police report for a gas can? My hose from my front yard was stolen, and so was one of my boys bikes. I didn't call the police. Strange, and even stranger that Casey returned them the day he reported it.

imo

If someone had illegally entered my fenced backyard and broke open a locked shed I might think about calling the police too. Did he ever cancel the report? MOO

[Sun]

Sun, I've been questioning the condition of the tape for weeks now. I can't seem to find an answer, except deduction ... the report that the hair had to be cut away from the tape ... tells me that the hair is adhered to the tape. If the hair is stuck to the tape by way of mud/debris, then isn't that harder for the State to say that it was taped around Caylee's head? I dunno.


Also, the adhesive on non rated duct tape takes a few years to turn to powder when exposed to heat. Don't know how long it takes when exposed to water. Don't know how long it was exposed to water, and when it was exposed to water.

Questions, questions, questions.

imo

impartial, I've seen what bugs or critters can do with hair. Just really don't want to let my mind go there, in regards to this case. Don't need nightmares.

[impartial]

They had no evidence of anything! Are you kidding me?




Exactly. But Lee believed he did. His reasoning was so circular, it was making me crazy.

He spoke of the tip about someone that Caylee was handed over to Jesse and a woman at a gas station. He spoke of the tip about the airport and Caylee, and somehow connected that to Jesse; and also connected Puerto Rico to Jesse. When they pushed him on the airport tip and the passenger manifest negating the tip, he still believed the tip because they hadn't been provided with the manifest.

Lee actually believed that Caylee was still alive, and Jesse was his prime suspect. His reasoning on that? Because Jesse loved Caylee so much, he would do anything to protect her ... and Lee, how does that make Jesse a suspect? Circular.

imo

[AlohaRainbow]

Here is the first chapter. Reading that George "heaved his last meal" at the tow yard after smelling the trunk was enough for me to pre -order from B&N. For $6.29 I'll take a chance and see if she can tell us FLBs anything else we didn't know.

http://dianefanning.com/mommyslittlegirlchapter.html

luckily for george, his last meal that day may have small, since he doesn't "usually eat that much"
[from his depo, p. 191]
what's up with both george and cindy feeling the need to announce how much they eat or don't eat?

[5boxersmom]

I think the little girl playing in Caylee's room on 48 Hours might be the same little girl at one of the vigils photographed hugging Cindy. As suggested already, probably Holly's daughter as we know she attended the vigils.

Cindy Anthony Becomes Emotional While Hugging Little Girl At Vigil

Cindy said she lost control of her emotions when a little girl around Caylee's age hugged her.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17872004/detail.html
November 3, 2008

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-cindyshowstrueemotionwit-2.jpg

Yep I think so too. I posted the video upthread.

[5boxersmom]

Someone directed me back to this video that Joy Wray put up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTKcEVPdNJQ

Look at .25 seconds into it and look who is walking along with Joy Wray.

Doesn't it look just like Jim Lichtenstein?

Yep I would say that is him. I would not have known that was JW her looks sure have changed.

jmo

[Scampi]

I find it curious that the entemologist's reports haven't been released.

Also, that's why I keep questioning the condition of the tape. Since it was still adhered to her hair, then the adhesive is still on the tape, and did not deteriorate to powder. Since the adhesive is still there, I would expect that DNA would still be there as well ... the tape couldn't have been too exposed to the elements since the adhesive is still there.

But then again, I am in the minority there's the possibility that the tape was attached to the bags themselves (3 bags, 3 pieces of tape), and due to movement, the tape became entangled in Caylee's hair.

The reason LE says the tape was taped around Caylee's mouth/head is because of the lack of the jaw drop ... one's jaw drops during rigormortis. I provided a link a few days ago that indicates children's corpses don't necessarily go through rigormortis.

imo

Caylee's body went thru disarticulaton and even tho animals did a number on her little body, the mandible stayed attached to the rest of the skull because of the duct tape KC applied, imo.

[denjet]

Someone directed me back to this video that Joy Wray put up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTKcEVPdNJQ

Look at .25 seconds into it and look who is walking along with Joy Wray.

Doesn't it look just like Jim Lichtenstein?
OMG Bett!
Great find! That's definitely him ... guess Joy's still in the middle of this case .. she was at the courthouse last Friday, you can see her in the background when Jose is being interviewed ...

Oh, I so hope this is their "witness" that will "prove" Caylee wasn't there in the woods off Suburban when she was doing her searching !! I so hope that's who it is !! Should take all of 2 seconds to discredit that nutcase.

Anyone know if it's legal to ask a witness if they've ever been hospitalized for mental illness?

[Spots]

I find it curious that the entemologist's reports haven't been released.

Also, that's why I keep questioning the condition of the tape. Since it was still adhered to her hair, then the adhesive is still on the tape, and did not deteriorate to powder. Since the adhesive is still there, I would expect that DNA would still be there as well ... the tape couldn't have been too exposed to the elements since the adhesive is still there.

But then again, I am in the minority there's the possibility that the tape was attached to the bags themselves (3 bags, 3 pieces of tape), and due to movement, the tape became entangled in Caylee's hair.

The reason LE says the tape was taped around Caylee's mouth/head is because of the lack of the jaw drop ... one's jaw drops during rigormortis. I provided a link a few days ago that indicates children's corpses don't necessarily go through rigormortis.

imo

Interesting. I interpreted this a bit differently. I thought Dr G meant that the tape held the mandible to the skull, and was the only reason the mandible was still in position after the decomposition rendered it a mere skeleton. In other words, there was no more skin, flesh, ligaments, etc. to hold the two parts together - nothing except the duct tape.

[Scampi]

BBM That is an understatement. Cindy's exact words; Calling people Maggots and parasites and to get off our azz and search for Caylee!

Don't forget the leeches, the name calling by cindy included parasites, maggots and leeches. Mere terms of endearment compared to the names I have for her and her family. :cuss:

[impartial]

OMG Bett!
Great find! That's definitely him ... guess Joy's still in the middle of this case .. she was at the courthouse last Friday, you can see her in the background when Jose is being interviewed ...

Oh, I so hope this is their "witness" that will "prove" Caylee wasn't there in the woods off Suburban when she was doing her searching !! I so hope that's who it is !! Should take all of 2 seconds to discredit that nutcase.

Anyone know if it's legal to ask a witness if they've ever been hospitalized for mental illness?


How would her hospitalization discredit her ability to recall?

[denjet]

check out the flooring in pic 18 of the gas can http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html In the top left hand corner of this picture, is the corner of a piece of wicker furniture.

Does it match the flooring in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkkdAF0O3A at 2:21? Also note the wicker furniture in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igrCeTzbFis&feature=related 2:02 shows a pic Caylee laying in a wicker chair and the same flooring.

IMO, LE's pic of the gas can was taken inside the Anthony's enclosed patio/screened porch in their backyard.

Thanks for finding this, des!
I remember the can being photographed on a floor at the A's, now we know exactly where it was photographed ... so what is George trying to say, that when KC gave him back the cans he didn't recognize the tape? he didn't put it on the can? I thought he said that about when LE returned the cans? or have they've been returned yet ...
:confused:

[need2no]

Interesting. I interpreted this a bit differently. I thought Dr G meant that the tape held the mandible to the skull, and was the only reason the mandible was still in position after the decomposition rendered it a mere skeleton. In other words, there was no more skin, flesh, ligaments, etc. to hold the two parts together - nothing except the duct tape.

Per Dr. G-

Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair. This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place.

[Scampi]

How would her hospitalization discredit her ability to recall?

Seriously Imp? They said she was Baker acted five times, sounds like there may be a tiny problem with this witness.

[Spots]

Sun, I've been questioning the condition of the tape for weeks now. I can't seem to find an answer, except deduction ... the report that the hair had to be cut away from the tape ... tells me that the hair is adhered to the tape. If the hair is stuck to the tape by way of mud/debris, then isn't that harder for the State to say that it was taped around Caylee's head? I dunno.


Also, the adhesive on non rated duct tape takes a few years to turn to powder when exposed to heat. Don't know how long it takes when exposed to water. Don't know how long it was exposed to water, and when it was exposed to water.

Questions, questions, questions.

imo

The duct tape in the hair must still have some adhesive remaining, but remember that the hair itself remains as well.

The duct tape that covered flesh was exposed because the flesh it was originally attached to decomposed. The adhesive was then exposed - at length - to water. And probably not clean water, either, IFYWIM.

I'm not surprised by this difference.

[desmom]

I find it curious that the entemologist's reports haven't been released.

Also, that's why I keep questioning the condition of the tape. Since it was still adhered to her hair, then the adhesive is still on the tape, and did not deteriorate to powder. Since the adhesive is still there, I would expect that DNA would still be there as well ... the tape couldn't have been too exposed to the elements since the adhesive is still there.

But then again, I am in the minority there's the possibility that the tape was attached to the bags themselves (3 bags, 3 pieces of tape), and due to movement, the tape became entangled in Caylee's hair.

The reason LE says the tape was taped around Caylee's mouth/head is because of the lack of the jaw drop ... one's jaw drops during rigormortis. I provided a link a few days ago that indicates children's corpses don't necessarily go through rigormortis.

imo


autopsy report: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf

The laundry bag had a metal ring in the top keeping the bag round per xrays (page 6). Could you duct tape that shut? :shrug:

The autopsy report says keeping the mandible in place (page 3). Also, A large portion of the scalp hair was in a mat under the skull. The mandible was still in its approximate location in spite of complete skeletonization. The remains were completely skeletonized, with no soft tissue, ligaments or tendons evident on any of the bones.

There is more details about the skull on pages 11 and 14.

Someone help me out here with that darn science carp. IIRC, from h.s. science, the mandible is held in place by tendons and ligaments.

One more thought - re the tape attached to skin vs the tape attached to the hair. Is it possible the decomposition bacteria and insect activity caused the adhesive on the tape that had skin contact to deteriorate faster than the adhesive attached to the hair?


jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Exactly. But Lee believed he did. His reasoning was so circular, it was making me crazy.

He spoke of the tip about someone that Caylee was handed over to Jesse and a woman at a gas station. He spoke of the tip about the airport and Caylee, and somehow connected that to Jesse; and also connected Puerto Rico to Jesse. When they pushed him on the airport tip and the passenger manifest negating the tip, he still believed the tip because they hadn't been provided with the manifest.

Lee actually believed that Caylee was still alive, and Jesse was his prime suspect. His reasoning on that? Because Jesse loved Caylee so much, he would do anything to protect her ... and Lee, how does that make Jesse a suspect? Circular.

imoYep, definitely circular. But, IMO, he was just trying to do his best... Not that it was very good.

[impartial]

Seriously Imp? They said she was Baker acted five times, sounds like there may be a tiny problem with this witness.


It depends ... what was her mental disability ... if one is bipolar, does that necessarily impair their ability to recall. If one is delusional, yes. If one is suicidal, or has major depression, and is still able to recall accurately, what relevance would the hospitilization have.

In order for evidence to be admitted at trial, it has to have relevance. With respect to witnesses, it's usually limited to matters that would go to their truth or veracity ... if someone has been convicted of perjury, that goes to their truth or veracity as a witness.

I don't know why she was Baker Acted ... anyone know?

imo

[gaelicpeas]

How would her hospitalization discredit her ability to recall?
dunno... but she admits in her statement to LE that she was Baker-acted numerous times.. maybe 3-5 times? She is not credible, IMO.

[gaelicpeas]

Thanks for finding this, des!
I remember the can being photographed on a floor at the A's, now we know exactly where it was photographed ... so what is George trying to say, that when KC gave him back the cans he didn't recognize the tape? he didn't put it on the can? I thought he said that about when LE returned the cans? or have they've been returned yet ...
:confused:George is lying, IMO.

[Spots]

How would her hospitalization discredit her ability to recall?

Have you read her statement?

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

And to those wondering if Cindy's babysitting Joy's daughter, recall that in her statement she says she wouldn't allow them to watch her daughter because she doesn't want her to come up missing. (pages 16-17)

[gaelicpeas]

It depends ... what was her mental disability ... if one is bipolar, does that necessarily impair their ability to recall. If one is delusional, yes. If one is suicidal, or has major depression, and is still able to recall accurately, what relevance would the hospitilization have.

In order for evidence to be admitted at trial, it has to have relevance. With respect to witnesses, it's usually limited to matters that would go to their truth or veracity ... if someone has been convicted of perjury, that goes to their truth or veracity as a witness.

I don't know why she was Baker Acted ... anyone know?

imoI know she was evading police in one report. But, would YOU believe somebody that had been Baker-acted 5 times?

[gaelicpeas]

Have you read her statement?

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

And to those wondering if Cindy's babysitting Joy's daughter, recall that in her statement she says she wouldn't allow them to watch her daughter because she
doesn't want her to come up missing. (pages 16-17)lol, that's right... Joy doesn't trust George.

[gaelicpeas]

I mean... let's be real. This woman Joy Wray has inserted herself into this case all along. You can see her at Blanchard Park, you can see her at the remains site with her kids, you can see her in NUMEROUS court hearings trailing along talking to Cindy, hanging out behind the cameras, etc.

[impartial]

I know she was evading police in one report. But, would YOU believe somebody that had been Baker-acted 5 times?


My concern would be with how they would hold up for testimony.

I wouldn't automatically not believe them because they were mentally impaired.

But, if she were hospitalized with a diagnosis of borderline personality, then I would want a different witness.

imo

[Cury-us Coyote]

I mean... let's be real. This woman Joy Wray has inserted herself into this case all along. You can see her at Blanchard Park, you can see her at the remains site with her kids, you can see her in NUMEROUS court hearings trailing along talking to Cindy, hanging out behind the cameras, etc.

Is JW on defense witness list? TIA

:seeya: Hey guys

[desmom]

It depends ... what was her mental disability ... if one is bipolar, does that necessarily impair their ability to recall. If one is delusional, yes. If one is suicidal, or has major depression, and is still able to recall accurately, what relevance would the hospitilization have.

In order for evidence to be admitted at trial, it has to have relevance. With respect to witnesses, it's usually limited to matters that would go to their truth or veracity ... if someone has been convicted of perjury, that goes to their truth or veracity as a witness.

I don't know why she was Baker Acted ... anyone know?

imo

Not sure why she was Baker Acted...Question: Can the prosecution use Joy's interview with LE at trial? TIA

Joy's statement is pretty inconsistent imo. I did a breakdown of Joy's statement to LE when her name was listed in one of JB's motions: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13486116&postcount=713

In his motion to dismiss, he also listed several "Statements of Fact" regarding searches of the Suburban Drive area listing Joy Wray searched the woods, the Fox News crew film from August 5 that was re aired on Greta's 12/17/08 show, Roy Kronk call in August, Keith Williams and TES. Page 7 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972702/detail.html

I tracked down his examples and listed them here: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13487000&postcount=10

[need2no]

Have you read her statement?

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

And to those wondering if Cindy's babysitting Joy's daughter, recall that in her statement she says she wouldn't allow them to watch her daughter because she doesn't want her to come up missing. (pages 16-17)

I suspect Joy would do most anything to keep herself inserted in this case; including lending her daughter to Cindy for a few minutes while CBS was taping. Heck maybe Cindy even threw a few bucks her way.

[gaelicpeas]

My concern would be with how they would hold up for testimony.

I wouldn't automatically not believe them because they were mentally impaired.

But, if she were hospitalized with a diagnosis of borderline personality, then I would want a different witness.

imo
hmm, ok. All you have to do is put a witness up on the stand, and ask them if they have ever been Baker-acted. And when she says yes, 5 times, I would imagine the jury would discount her testimony. Jus' sayin'

[gaelicpeas]

Is JW on defense witness list? TIA

:seeya: Hey guys
Hey Cury. Yes, she is apparently their star witness... lol.

[Julie Dupree]

It depends ... what was her mental disability ... if one is bipolar, does that necessarily impair their ability to recall. If one is delusional, yes. If one is suicidal, or has major depression, and is still able to recall accurately, what relevance would the hospitilization have.

In order for evidence to be admitted at trial, it has to have relevance. With respect to witnesses, it's usually limited to matters that would go to their truth or veracity ... if someone has been convicted of perjury, that goes to their truth or veracity as a witness.

I don't know why she was Baker Acted ... anyone know?

imo

To be admitted involuntarily under the Baker Act a person must demonstrate a real danger to them self or others.

It is sad to think that JB and company are going to put this woman thru what she is going to be facing. She will have to discuss why she was involuntarily admitted to the psychiatric unit, how long she was there, what kind of therapy she had following these hospitalizations, is she currently in therapy to name a few.
It is obvious to me that JB and company are not interested in what happens to this woman if they can get their story told the way they want it told.
And the really sad thing about it, they have found this lady who is willing to go thru so much that she probably not even aware of, to swear that she saw something...which in her own mind may be very real. The state will do what they need to do in order to discredit her.
I am not sure she is strong enough to handle this, but I don't think JB and company really care one way or another as long as she says what they want her to say.
This is one part of the trial that I am not looking forward to.

[denjet]

Thanks for the info. :seeya:

How about the phrase "as a matter of fact"? George sure liked that phrase. :tonguewag:

Yes, they both are bad liars ... they'd make poor poker players, that's for sure ..

What really bugs me is the detail that Cindy can recall about every far out story that KC's told her, the people, places, events, their relatives and their friends ... every single detail of things KC told her a year ago ... but when asked something that she doesn't want to answer she turns it around and she doesn't "recall" or "remember" or she can't say for sure !!

It jwould be one thing if she were being vague and forgetful about everything but it's only about the incriminating things she doesn't want to answer ...

When LDB asked Cindy if she had time to go over the stack of previous statements, reports, interviews made by Cindy that the SA gave to her prior to the deposition ... as a refresher ... Cindy said no she didn't have time ... :scared: Did Cindy think that way she could say she didn't remember or later change her answer if it's inconsistent with what she previously said?

[SayItAgain]

Exactly. But Lee believed he did. His reasoning was so circular, it was making me crazy.

He spoke of the tip about someone that Caylee was handed over to Jesse and a woman at a gas station. He spoke of the tip about the airport and Caylee, and somehow connected that to Jesse; and also connected Puerto Rico to Jesse. When they pushed him on the airport tip and the passenger manifest negating the tip, he still believed the tip because they hadn't been provided with the manifest.

Lee actually believed that Caylee was still alive, and Jesse was his prime suspect. His reasoning on that? Because Jesse loved Caylee so much, he would do anything to protect her ... and Lee, how does that make Jesse a suspect? Circular.

imo

The thing that is completely infuriating about this, though, is Lee, George and Cindy all knew right down to their bones what Casey was capable of. They knew she was no good, and so the first person they should've suspected in Caylee's disappearance was CASEY. Instead, in typical Anthony style, they started looking for outside targets to blame -- people they knew nothing about, when they already knew so much about Casey and her proclivities.

I hope, hope, hope every person whose name has passed the lips of an Anthony with regard to this case files a civil suit against them. I hope the Anthonys, including Lee, spend the rest of their natural lives fending off the lawsuits of everyone they have libeled, slandered and fingered in their efforts to continue to ignore the felon with their last name.

It's not enough for them they ignored her until she "lost" Caylee. Now they want to find more victims for her and serve them up to her on a silver platter. It's disgraceful, despicable, and hopefully, legally actionable.

[SayItAgain]

luckily for george, his last meal that day may have small, since he doesn't "usually eat that much"
[from his depo, p. 191]
what's up with both george and cindy feeling the need to announce how much they eat or don't eat?

They assume we're as absorbed with them as they are with themselves.

[gaelicpeas]

To be admitted involuntarily under the Baker Act a person must demonstrate a real danger to them self or others.

It is sad to think that JB and company are going to put this woman thru what she is going to be facing. She will have to discuss why she was involuntarily admitted to the psychiatric unit, how long she was there, what kind of therapy she had following these hospitalizations, is she currently in therapy to name a few.
It is obvious to me that JB and company are not interested in what happens to this woman if they can get their story told the way they want it told.
And the really sad thing about it, they have found this lady who is willing to go thru so much that she probably not even aware of, to swear that she saw something...which in her own mind may be very real. The state will do what they need to do in order to discredit her.
I am not sure she is strong enough to handle this, but I don't think JB and company really care one way or another as long as she says what they want her to say.
This is one part of the trial that I am not looking forward to.I agree, she is going to be SOOO thrown under the bus it is not funny. And I agree, I feel sorry for her because I don't think she is "all there". But this defense team will go to any extremes to prove their girl is innocent. It is truly sickening.

[MisterGrey]

It depends ... what was her mental disability ... if one is bipolar, does that necessarily impair their ability to recall. If one is delusional, yes. If one is suicidal, or has major depression, and is still able to recall accurately, what relevance would the hospitilization have.

In order for evidence to be admitted at trial, it has to have relevance. With respect to witnesses, it's usually limited to matters that would go to their truth or veracity ... if someone has been convicted of perjury, that goes to their truth or veracity as a witness.

I don't know why she was Baker Acted ... anyone know?

imo
I do not know the reason(s) however, I imagine that the state could circumvent the actual condition which resulted in the use of the Baker's Act by asking Joy about any medications she was taking both during the time of the search and what medications she was taking prior to her testimony. If the state could ask Cindy if she has eaten or slept enough prior to her deposition, I would expect that they could ask Joy if she is mentally prepared to give her swore testimony. Judging by her statement to LE, she is going to be all over the map, challenging George's depo for magical recounting of events.

[msgatorslayer]

The thing that is completely infuriating about this, though, is Lee, George and Cindy all knew right down to their bones what Casey was capable of. They knew she was no good, and so the first person they should've suspected in Caylee's disappearance was CASEY. Instead, in typical Anthony style, they started looking for outside targets to blame -- people they knew nothing about, when they already knew so much about Casey and her proclivities.

I hope, hope, hope every person whose name has passed the lips of an Anthony with regard to this case files a civil suit against them. I hope the Anthonys, including Lee, spend the rest of their natural lives fending off the lawsuits of everyone they have libeled, slandered and fingered in their efforts to continue to ignore the felon with their last name.

It's not enough for them they ignored her until she "lost" Caylee. Now they want to find more victims for her and serve them up to her on a silver platter. It's disgraceful, despicable, and hopefully, legally actionable.

Well said!!!:thumbsup:

[need2no]

Not sure why she was Baker Acted...Question: Can the prosecution use Joy's interview with LE at trial? TIA

Joy's statement is pretty inconsistent imo. I did a breakdown of Joy's statement to LE when her name was listed in one of JB's motions: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13486116&postcount=713

In his motion to dismiss, he also listed several "Statements of Fact" regarding searches of the Suburban Drive area listing Joy Wray searched the woods, the Fox News crew film from August 5 that was re aired on Greta's 12/17/08 show, Roy Kronk call in August, Keith Williams and TES. Page 7 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972702/detail.html

I tracked down his examples and listed them here: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13487000&postcount=10

Defendant Name: JOY WRAY
DOB: 06/1979
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0 DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS
0 RESIST OFFICER FLEE/ELUDE W/ACTIVE SIREN
1 FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE A POLICE OFFICER
2 RECKLESS DRIVING
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08/12/2008 FREE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION/PRETRIAL RELEASE
08/12/2008 DNP DEFENDANT WAS NOT PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION AGREEMENT FILED IN THE COURT FILE, REMOVE FROM THE
08/12/2008 MNFD --DOCKET.
08/12/2008 MNFD DEFENDANT RELEASED AS TO THIS CAUSE
08/12/2008 MNFD (0)DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS 316.217 I-: COURT DISMISSED CHARGE.
08/08/2008 LOPE SEALED ENVELOPE LETTER FROM SEMINOLE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CENTER
07/01/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 08/12/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
07/01/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
07/01/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CANDIDATE.
07/01/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
07/01/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
06/10/2008 ACKA ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF APPOINTMENT
06/03/2008 AIAP AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCY/APPROVED MO
06/04/2008 FEE - AMT:$40.00
06/03/2008 PDPD ASSIGN ATTORNEY - NAME: PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 07/01/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
06/03/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT FOUND INDIGENT AND APPOINTED PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
05/29/2008 IFFD INFORMATION FILED - DATE: 05/29/2008
05/15/2008 SYS NOTICE FOR ARRAIGNMENT JUN 03, 2008 AT 01:30 PM PRINTED
05/15/2008 ATFD ARREST REPORT - DATE: 03/26/2008
05/15/2008 BDBD SET BONDSMAN - AMT:$0.00 - STATUS: NOB
05/15/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT SET [M]- DATE: 06/03/2008 - TIME: 0130PM - CTRM: 1A
05/15/2008 CTAT CITATION(S) 3
592008CF002535A Judge: EATON, JR., O. H.

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail_5.jsp?CaseNo=592008CF002535A

[Spots]

The thing that is completely infuriating about this, though, is Lee, George and Cindy all knew right down to their bones what Casey was capable of. They knew she was no good, and so the first person they should've suspected in Caylee's disappearance was CASEY. Instead, in typical Anthony style, they started looking for outside targets to blame -- people they knew nothing about, when they already knew so much about Casey and her proclivities.

I hope, hope, hope every person whose name has passed the lips of an Anthony with regard to this case files a civil suit against them. I hope the Anthonys, including Lee, spend the rest of their natural lives fending off the lawsuits of everyone they have libeled, slandered and fingered in their efforts to continue to ignore the felon with their last name.

It's not enough for them they ignored her until she "lost" Caylee. Now they want to find more victims for her and serve them up to her on a silver platter. It's disgraceful, despicable, and hopefully, legally actionable.

I'll bet a healthy sum that the lawsuits will be flying at the appropriate time. And I'm ~thrilled~ that the Anthonys will probably not be able to find an attorney to work on these cases "pro bono." :D

[impartial]

hmm, ok. All you have to do is put a witness up on the stand, and ask them if they have ever been Baker-acted. And when she says yes, 5 times, I would imagine the jury would discount her testimony. Jus' sayin'


That question won't be allowed to be asked unless the State can prove her hospitalizations are relevant to the trial. Medical information of a witness is protected ... there is a right to privacy of one's medical history, unless that person has placed their medical information into issue ... ie in a personal injury case, one's prior history becomes relevant to their current claims.

Being subpeonaed as a witness doesn't give the State the right to invade her right to privacy. The State must show that the hospitalizations are relevant ... ie, her mental impairment directly affects her ability to recall, affects her ability to tell the truth, etc.

imo

[cassidy]

George is lying, IMO.

That's a real nasty habit of his and the rest of his family.

[Julie Dupree]

The thing that is completely infuriating about this, though, is Lee, George and Cindy all knew right down to their bones what Casey was capable of. They knew she was no good, and so the first person they should've suspected in Caylee's disappearance was CASEY. Instead, in typical Anthony style, they started looking for outside targets to blame -- people they knew nothing about, when they already knew so much about Casey and her proclivities.

I hope, hope, hope every person whose name has passed the lips of an Anthony with regard to this case files a civil suit against them. I hope the Anthonys, including Lee, spend the rest of their natural lives fending off the lawsuits of everyone they have libeled, slandered and fingered in their efforts to continue to ignore the felon with their last name.

It's not enough for them they ignored her until she "lost" Caylee. Now they want to find more victims for her and serve them up to her on a silver platter. It's disgraceful, despicable, and hopefully, legally actionable.

When you read over the witness list there are many people there who have been libeled, slandered and used by the entire Anthony clan as well as by their legal counsel.
This would be a good law suit for JM:)

[impartial]

I do not know the reason(s) however, I imagine that the state could circumvent the actual condition which resulted in the use of the Baker's Act by asking Joy about any medications she was taking both during the time of the search and what medications she was taking prior to her testimony. If the state could ask Cindy if she has eaten or slept enough prior to her deposition, I would expect that they could ask Joy if she is mentally prepared to give her swore testimony. Judging by her statement to LE, she is going to be all over the map, challenging George's depo for magical recounting of events.


Again, although the question about medications can and normally are asked in depositions, that does not mean they are fair game for trial testimony ... unless the medications themselves affect a person's ability to recall, accurately account, etc.



imo

[gaelicpeas]

That question won't be allowed to be asked unless the State can prove her hospitalizations are relevant to the trial. Medical information of a witness is protected ... there is a right to privacy of one's medical history, unless that person has placed their medical information into issue ... ie in a personal injury case, one's prior history becomes relevant to their current claims.

Being subpeonaed as a witness doesn't give the State the right to invade her right to privacy. The State must show that the hospitalizations are relevant ... ie, her mental impairment directly affects her ability to recall, affects her ability to tell the truth, etc.

imohuh? You must have been watching different trials than I have. YES, the state can inquire as to her state of mind, her ability to answer, etc.

[SayItAgain]

I'll bet a healthy sum that the lawsuits will be flying at the appropriate time. And I'm ~thrilled~ that the Anthonys will probably not be able to find an attorney to work on these cases "pro bono." :D

I sure hope so. And I hope they all seek the services of John Morgan to represent them, as he seems to have a special place in his heart for the Anthonys. :sneaky: And a bonus is Cindy despises him.

[msgatorslayer]

Pg 303, George's depo -

When asked if Cindy mentioned to him that she was researching the dogs throwing up, he says she didn't. And that their dogs don't throw up. Just the cats, with hairballs.OOOPS!!

I swear, George and Cindy don't talk about the important things. :laugh:

[Nascargal]

I am still confused as to what is the "untold" story. I knew more than the interviewer in this case.

I just watched it and nothing I did not know actual I think we know more than that. JMO

[SayItAgain]

That question won't be allowed to be asked unless the State can prove her hospitalizations are relevant to the trial. Medical information of a witness is protected ... there is a right to privacy of one's medical history, unless that person has placed their medical information into issue ... ie in a personal injury case, one's prior history becomes relevant to their current claims.

Being subpeonaed as a witness doesn't give the State the right to invade her right to privacy. The State must show that the hospitalizations are relevant ... ie, her mental impairment directly affects her ability to recall, affects her ability to tell the truth, etc.

imo

I don't think they'll need to mention her hospitalizations at all. She'll crack like an egg on cross. Her recollection of events isn't credible and can be disputed, IIRC, by Tim Miller among others.

[SayItAgain]

That's a real nasty habit of his and the rest of his family.

And oddly, they wear it like a badge. If they'd taught their daughter not to lie instead of role modeling that very behavior for her, she might not be sitting where she's sitting today. So each time they weep and wail about Casey's situation, someone should remind them they taught her everything she knows.

[Nascargal]

OMG Bett!
Great find! That's definitely him ... guess Joy's still in the middle of this case .. she was at the courthouse last Friday, you can see her in the background when Jose is being interviewed ...

Oh, I so hope this is their "witness" that will "prove" Caylee wasn't there in the woods off Suburban when she was doing her searching !! I so hope that's who it is !! Should take all of 2 seconds to discredit that nutcase.

Anyone know if it's legal to ask a witness if they've ever been hospitalized for mental illness?

OMG not Joy:scared: is she still holding up her signs to find a live Caylee

[impartial]

I don't think they'll need to mention her hospitalizations at all. She'll crack like an egg on cross. Her recollection of events isn't credible and can be disputed, IIRC, by Tim Miller among others.


I just read her interview, and I gotta say, her interview was more coherent than Lee's depo. :laugh:

imo

[Nascargal]

I don't think they'll need to mention her hospitalizations at all. She'll crack like an egg on cross. Her recollection of events isn't credible and can be disputed, IIRC, by Tim Miller among others.

ITA and yes Tim Miler and many others are more credible IMO. She will not be a problem.

[Nascargal]

I just read her interview, and I gotta say, her interview was more coherent than Lee's depo. :laugh:

imo

That is not saying much:wink:

[denjet]

I mean... let's be real. This woman Joy Wray has inserted herself into this case all along. You can see her at Blanchard Park, you can see her at the remains site with her kids, you can see her in NUMEROUS court hearings trailing along talking to Cindy, hanging out behind the cameras, etc.

I didn't mean to imply that being hospitalized for a mental illness would disqualify a witness or discredit what they say ... certainly a history of depression, or manic episodes or being suicidal should not be considered grounds to throw out a witnesses statements ...

However, it does raise eyebrows when someone is baker acted numerous times and shows that this person is either not getting the help of therapy and meds they need to function normally or they're refusing this help ... I think the real issue is what exactly were the incidents that she was hospitalized for? ...

Someone who's psychotic or schizophrenic or has voices in their head directing them probably would be easily discredited ....

Maybe Baez will just use Joy as his witness to satisfy the motion and not to actually call her as a witness ... I'm not sure if he has to add her to a witness list though .. which would open a whole other can of worms

[SayItAgain]

I just read her interview, and I gotta say, her interview was more coherent than Lee's depo. :laugh:

imo

Yep, those Anthonys are quite the excellent communicators, eh?

As several of us have pointed out, for as often as they lie, you'd think they'd be a whole lot better at it.

[desmom]

Oh geeshhhhh! George just said that one of Caylee's favorites, was a bear that they just called "Caylee Bear."

...um, wasn't her favorite bear called "teddy?" This depo is hard on my mind, just so many lies!

Just found "Teddy" in Cindy's interview. She called it "Teddy". - page 91 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

[Sun]

Just found "Teddy" in Cindy's interview. She called it "Teddy". - page 91 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

I'm not sure how I feel, that I know the name of Caylee's stuffed bear, and her own Grandfather (who lived with Caylee) didn't. :confused:

[gaelicpeas]

I didn't mean to imply that being hospitalized for a mental illness would disqualify a witness or discredit what they say ... certainly a history of depression, or manic episodes or being suicidal should not be considered grounds to throw out a witnesses statements ...

However, it does raise eyebrows when someone is baker acted numerous times and shows that this person is either not getting the help of therapy and meds they need to function normally or they're refusing this help ... I think the real issue is what exactly were the incidents that she was hospitalized for? ...

Someone who's psychotic or schizophrenic or has voices in their head directing them probably would be easily discredited ....

Maybe Baez will just use Joy as his witness to satisfy the motion and not to actually call her as a witness ... I'm not sure if he has to add her to a witness list though .. which would open a whole other can of wormsWell, I did mean to imply that her mental history would be a factor.

[BettyC]

Have you read her statement?

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

And to those wondering if Cindy's babysitting Joy's daughter, recall that in her statement she says she wouldn't allow them to watch her daughter because she doesn't want her to come up missing. (pages 16-17)

Yes good point. She specifically said that about George but I would assume she meant any of them?

[Kathlb]

Didn't I see a forum for Casey's trial at the top and now it is missing?? Or am I truly losing it? :tongueside::biggrin:

[SayItAgain]

Didn't I see a forum for Casey's trial at the top and now it is missing?? Or am I truly losing it? :tongueside::biggrin:

It was there. I'm thinking maybe one of the mods confused Friday's hearing with the start of the trial.

[msgatorslayer]

Didn't I see a forum for Casey's trial at the top and now it is missing?? Or am I truly losing it? :tongueside::biggrin:

It was there a few days and then it vanished. Or we're all loosing it with ya!!

[Pruddennce]

Pg 303, George's depo -

When asked if Cindy mentioned to him that she was researching the dogs throwing up, he says she didn't. And that their dogs don't throw up. Just the cats, with hairballs.OOOPS!!

I swear, George and Cindy don't talk about the important things. :laugh:
no they dont...neither one of them "REMEMBER".....

MO, its pretty clear to me why they want GA's grand jury testimony.

he lied outright about the gas cans and the tape. the questioning was superb....did he mow sometime after June 24th thru August 1 or get more gas for the cans....wow, did he screw up his answers right out of the starting gate..first claiming he bought new gas cans. *yeah yeah, that settles it....* unfortunately he 'forgot' he bought new cans AFTER August 1st, AFTER LE seized them. and forgot he went to the towyard ARMED WITH GASOLINE.

the lying is incredulous. especially about breakfast with Caylee: after Cindy already said "she didnt see either one of them" "but heard THEM sleeping"....now GA says that Cindy saw Caylee. and GA checked on Caylee THAT NITE IN CASEY's Room, but DOESNT RECALL IF SHE WAS HOME, but Caylee was sleeping in there.

????

unfortunate for them: Cindy's text msgs with Lee about Baez 'having communications from Casey" and Lee texting Cindy "DONT TELL THE PRESS ABOUT ANY LETTERS FROM CASEY"....

I cant begin to enumerate all of the lies he told during the deposition. there are so many. I am esp fond of the Conway reference regarding books deals etc. 'maybe thru Brad' when he had to qualify his answer (page 317) now we know why brad is still hanging around.

GA is following her friends around...cant wait until the lawsuits start.

her friends know more than what they admitting? but not Casey? GMAB.

also noteworthy: asking GA why 'they' back down when Casey gets IRRITATED. (she's tired, she's annoyed, blah blah)..... that was reallllllllllllllllllly good questioning. kid gloves. why GA, why CA?

psychopath?

.......who had a proclivity towards rage threats and violence. IMO

IMO, Caylee was pinched, slapped and dragged when Casey was 'irritated'. they saw it. and now they have to live with those images the rest of their lives. whatever 'bones' GA threw investigators in the beginning of this case, mentioning her thefts, her lies, IMO, it was 100 times worse than what he was 'being honest with you guys about'....again, they will have to live with the truth they were trying to hide....and are still trying to hide.

the lawsuits will be interesting......slandering innocent people again and again AND profiting from this death..... hopefully, the injured will sue for personal damages which will drain every bloody (blood money) dime from them. .....forcing them to go get jobs.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

ETA: how about the cement work in the yard...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[SayItAgain]

Rapid doberman on a lungeline... :laugh:

I almost want to watch the video just to see that. :laugh:

[Neffy]

Have you read her statement?

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

And to those wondering if Cindy's babysitting Joy's daughter, recall that in her statement she says she wouldn't allow them to watch her daughter because she doesn't want her to come up missing. (pages 16-17)

OMG!!! Her "by myself" searches aren't gonna garner any credibility.

I believe Dr. G will be able to hold her own how long Caylee's bones were out there no problem compared to this attention seeker and her "by myself" searches.