Caylee 10/18

[MiamiNice1]

Also, did anyone notice how Baez made such a HUGE issue (in Cindy's Part 2) regarding the question LDB asked Cindy: Did you see Casey removing pictures or videos from the home....

He was having a meltdown about the public's reaction to this question and the answer! I can only surmise that it would make HIM look bad, as Casey taking pictures and videos from the home and taking them to HIS office meant that either Casey or Baez was SELLING them!

I really, really cannot describe how SLEAZY this is!!!!!!!

imo

[BlueTurtle]

Even though I absolutely believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death, that's the one thing I agree with Holly about ~ I can't see Casey getting herself "dirty" by handling the decomposing remains, even though Caylee was in three bags. MOO

It is amazing what a person can do when desparate. She had to get rid of the evidence. She didn't have enough time, money, gas and whatever to do a better job. She was aided by bad weather and her mother not being more agressive in seeking her grand daughter.

People find it hard to believe someone they know can kill. I grew up with a man who was brutal in his abuse of a girlfriend's son. I was sick to my stomach to think I had grown up with such a monster. I felt contaminated by the knowledge I had participated in junior high and high schhool activities with him. We don't want to think we could actually know monsters. It is a protective shield we project to deal with horrendous situations.

[MiamiNice1]

How about that cement "pouring"? I had myself convinced that we were just talking about the kind of slabs you can buy. Now he can't remember which month he poured the cement?

I think George's depo infuriated me more than Cindy's! How about George not being able to remember ANYTHING about their jailhouse visits with Casey? How about George specifically not remembering what he meant when he told Casey "about that thing that happened to me in the past..."

I mean.....omg....I wanted to pull my hair out with all his evading and deflecting!!!!!

imo

[Neffy]

Also, did anyone notice how Baez made such a HUGE issue (in Cindy's Part 2) regarding the question LDB asked Cindy: Did you see Casey removing pictures or videos from the home....

He was having a meltdown about the public's reaction to this question and the answer! I can only surmise that it would make HIM look bad, as Casey taking pictures and videos from the home and taking them to HIS office meant that either Casey or Baez was SELLING them!

I really, really cannot describe how SLEAZY this is!!!!!!!

imo


OH that really upset him didn't it! Thanks JOSE now we have confirmation on who the original seller of pics were.

[BettyC]

Also, did anyone notice how Baez made such a HUGE issue (in Cindy's Part 2) regarding the question LDB asked Cindy: Did you see Casey removing pictures or videos from the home....

He was having a meltdown about the public's reaction to this question and the answer! I can only surmise that it would make HIM look bad, as Casey taking pictures and videos from the home and taking them to HIS office meant that either Casey or Baez was SELLING them!

I really, really cannot describe how SLEAZY this is!!!!!!!

imo

He kept referring to something being sealed. Wasn't his source of payment sealed?

[msgatorslayer]

no they dont...neither one of them "REMEMBER".....

MO, its pretty clear to me why they want GA's grand jury testimony.

Definately clear!!!

he lied outright about the gas cans and the tape. the questioning was superb....did he mow sometime after June 24th thru August 1 or get more gas for the cans....wow, did he screw up his answers right out of the starting gate..first claiming he bought new gas cans. *yeah yeah, that settles it....* unfortunately he 'forgot' he bought new cans AFTER August 1st, AFTER LE seized them. and forgot he went to the towyard ARMED WITH GASOLINE.

I was on the edge of my seat during the gas can questioning. Superb questioning, indeed. They had him!!! Then, they let it go. Went on to some other subjects. But then redirected the questions back to cutting the grass on the 24th. And he did the same thing again. He screwed it up!!!

the lying is incredulous. especially about breakfast with Caylee: after Cindy already said "she didnt see either one of them" "but heard THEM sleeping"....now GA says that Cindy saw Caylee. and GA checked on Caylee THAT NITE IN CASEY's Room, but DOESNT RECALL IF SHE WAS HOME, but Caylee was sleeping in there.

Seriously, if myself and another person were to decide to lie to save someone else, I'd be sure we got together and had our stories straight on the most important things.

????

unfortunate for them: Cindy's text msgs with Lee about Baez 'having communications from Casey" and Lee texting Cindy "DONT TELL THE PRESS ABOUT ANY LETTERS FROM CASEY"....

Thank you for bringing that up. I was wonder why they kept asking George about contact with Casey. They spoke of certain times when Cindy knew things, but couldn't figure out how, if she hadn't talked to Casey. IE - who's apartment was the drum set in.

I cant begin to enumerate all of the lies he told during the deposition. there are so many. I am esp fond of the Conway reference regarding books deals etc. 'maybe thru Brad' when he had to qualify his answer (page 317) now we know why brad is still hanging around.

There is alot of them, lol

GA is following her friends around...cant wait until the lawsuits start.

her friends know more than what they admitting? but not Casey? GMAB.

Funny, aye? Everyone but Casey. Red flags, gut feelings, theres something odd there. Everything is fine with CMA though. She's to be believed, even thought she lies, cause her mis-truths are some kind of code that means someone else is involved.

also noteworthy: asking GA why 'they' back down when Casey gets IRRITATED. (she's tired, she's annoyed, blah blah)..... that was reallllllllllllllllllly good questioning. kid gloves. why GA, why CA?

I need to go back an re-read that portion

psychopath?

.......who had a proclivity towards rage threats and violence. IMO

IMO, Caylee was pinched, slapped and dragged when Casey was 'irritated'. they saw it. and now they have to live with those images the rest of their lives. whatever 'bones' GA threw investigators in the beginning of this case, mentioning her thefts, her lies, IMO, it was 100 times worse than what he was 'being honest with you guys about'....again, they will have to live with the truth they were trying to hide....and are still trying to hide.

Just like the jail house, fist waving incident. Without the watchful eye of the camera or a pair of handcuffs preventing her from doing harm.

the lawsuits will be interesting......slandering innocent people again and again AND profiting from this death..... hopefully, the injured will sue for personal damages which will drain every bloody (blood money) dime from them. .....forcing them to go get jobs.....

WWW.Forthepeople.com

IMO

best regards,
Pru

ETA: how about the cement work in the yard...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Answered in BBM

[Neffy]

He kept referring to something being sealed. Wasn't his source of payment sealed?

To my knowledge that is the ONLY thing Strickland sealed. I don't understand how Jose was allowed to object to what Cindy saw regarding Casey taking things out of the house.

[BlueTurtle]

Interesting. I interpreted this a bit differently. I thought Dr G meant that the tape held the mandible to the skull, and was the only reason the mandible was still in position after the decomposition rendered it a mere skeleton. In other words, there was no more skin, flesh, ligaments, etc. to hold the two parts together - nothing except the duct tape.

That's what I interpreted Dr G as saying.

[MiamiNice1]

Oh....and I LOVED how Ashton made it clear that CINDY was the one who FIRST brought up to Casey about the "family being in danger" during one of their jailhouse visits! He also made it clear in that first car ride on July 15th with Casey, that Casey NEVER MENTIONED "danger" as an excuse not to take Cindy to Caylee.

Did anyone notice how much more polite, civil and less talkative and circuitous Cindy was in this Depo? It almost seems she works better with a woman asking her questions than men. When she underwent questioning by the Police and Morgan, she was aggressive, defensive and disrespectful.

imo

[BlueTurtle]

How would her hospitalization discredit her ability to recall?

Actually it is her inconsistent statements regarding the searching of the area that will discredit her. It also will be shown how she has attached herself to this case for her 15 minutes of fame. She needs to get a life.

[MiamiNice1]

OH that really upset him didn't it! Thanks JOSE now we have confirmation on who the original seller of pics were.

EXACTLY, Neffy! Now we have confirmation. Wasn't it funny how LDB kept telling him, "I KNOW what you are referring to...."

BettyC - Yes, I believe that was sealed and boy was Baez sounding desperate for the public NOT to know this information. Funny how Cindy kept pressing away to answer that question and Brad made no objection and FINALLY Jose said "ZIP IT." :laugh:

imo

[Neffy]

Oh....and I LOVED how Ashton made it clear that CINDY was the one who FIRST brought up to Casey about the "family being in danger!"

Did anyone notice how much more polite, civil and less talkative and circuitous Cindy was in this Depo? It almost seems she works better with a woman asking her questions than men. When she underwent questioning by the Police and Morgan, she was aggressive, defensive and disrespectful.

imo

Yep, glad to see things we talked about at the time recorded into a depo. We're not to shabby :)

I thought Cindy was pretty talkative. Jose certainly thought so LOL. I'd imagine he went thru quite a few hanky's in there wiping his forehead.

Got a pretty good glimpse of how this family was impeding the investigation doing their own and giving it to Jose and not LE.

Bat phones GOOD GRIEF! Why would someone with nothing to hide and who is not worried about perjury or obstructing justice get "bat phones".

[Spots]

Also, did anyone notice how Baez made such a HUGE issue (in Cindy's Part 2) regarding the question LDB asked Cindy: Did you see Casey removing pictures or videos from the home....

He was having a meltdown about the public's reaction to this question and the answer! I can only surmise that it would make HIM look bad, as Casey taking pictures and videos from the home and taking them to HIS office meant that either Casey or Baez was SELLING them!

I really, really cannot describe how SLEAZY this is!!!!!!!

imo

Yup, good ol' Sleazy - the eighth dwarf. But he missed Snow White and got stuck with ............ oh, you know who.

[djmsmom]

Maybe George would be better at keeping the lies straight if Cindy didn't change them so often. What happened to a little truth in every lie? Then the whooper she told last night " It was the first time I remember yelling at Casey". lol yea right.

[Spots]

Well, all I can say is the prosecution best not be whipping that kind of logic on THIS defense team.

Perish the thought! :D

[MiamiNice1]

Yep, glad to see things we talked about at the time recorded into a depo. We're not to shabby :)

I thought Cindy was pretty talkative. Jose certainly thought so LOL. I'd imagine he went thru quite a few hanky's in there wiping his forehead.

Got a pretty good glimpse of how this family was impeding the investigation doing their own and giving it to Jose and not LE.

Bat phones GOOD GRIEF! Why would someone with nothing to hide and who is not worried about perjury or obstructing justice get "bat phones".
I know.....BAT PHONES. The whole family is a case of arrested development!

It was funny how at the end of Part 2 Cindy, when LDB was getting Cindy's opinion of what she thought happened to Caylee and how Cindy said she still believe Caylee could be alive....how Andrea Lyon tried to stop it by RUDELy interrupting, asking when this would wrap up as she had a daughter sitting there, hungry!

Ashton then noted that Lyon is ONE HOUR BEHIND in time zone.....and I felt LDB purposefully dragging out a few more questions - the depo wrapped up at 7:30pm EST. So it had to be around 6:00pm CST when Lyon said her kid was hungry. :rolleyes:

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Yup, good ol' Sleazy - the eighth dwarf. But he missed Snow White and got stuck with ............ oh, you know who.
Yes.....we do! :sneaky:.....:laugh:

[Neffy]

I know.....BAT PHONES. The whole family is a case of arrested development!

It was funny how at the end of Part 2 Cindy, when LDB was getting Cindy's opinion of what she thought happened to Caylee and how Cindy said she still believe Caylee could be alive....how Andrea Lyon tried to stop it by RUDELy interrupting, asking when this would wrap up as she had a daughter sitting there, hungry!

Ashton then noted that Lyon is ONE HOUR BEHIND in time zone.....and I felt LDB purposefully dragging out a few more questions - the depo wrapped up at 7:30pm EST. So it had to be around 6:00pm CST when Lyon said her kid was hungry. :rolleyes:

imo

Yea that was pretty unprofessional. Was her daughter listening also to the depositions?

How about when they were trying to find out if LDB started the depo before anyone else got there when her and Cindy were by themselves GEEZ

[MiamiNice1]

Yea that was pretty unprofessional. Was her daughter listening also to the depositions?

How about when they were trying to find out if LDB started the depo before anyone else got there when her and Cindy were by themselves GEEZ
Yes! That was really OFFENSIVE to LDB - Lyon and Baez trying to find out if LDB had been unethical in any way - Oh, how they loooove to PROJECT their behavior onto others!!

imo

[gaelicpeas]

no they dont...neither one of them "REMEMBER".....

MO, its pretty clear to me why they want GA's grand jury testimony.

he lied outright about the gas cans and the tape. the questioning was superb....did he mow sometime after June 24th thru August 1 or get more gas for the cans....wow, did he screw up his answers right out of the starting gate..first claiming he bought new gas cans. *yeah yeah, that settles it....* unfortunately he 'forgot' he bought new cans AFTER August 1st, AFTER LE seized them. and forgot he went to the towyard ARMED WITH GASOLINE.

the lying is incredulous. especially about breakfast with Caylee: after Cindy already said "she didnt see either one of them" "but heard THEM sleeping"....now GA says that Cindy saw Caylee. and GA checked on Caylee THAT NITE IN CASEY's Room, but DOESNT RECALL IF SHE WAS HOME, but Caylee was sleeping in there.

????

unfortunate for them: Cindy's text msgs with Lee about Baez 'having communications from Casey" and Lee texting Cindy "DONT TELL THE PRESS ABOUT ANY LETTERS FROM CASEY"....

I cant begin to enumerate all of the lies he told during the deposition. there are so many. I am esp fond of the Conway reference regarding books deals etc. 'maybe thru Brad' when he had to qualify his answer (page 317) now we know why brad is still hanging around.

GA is following her friends around...cant wait until the lawsuits start.

her friends know more than what they admitting? but not Casey? GMAB.

also noteworthy: asking GA why 'they' back down when Casey gets IRRITATED. (she's tired, she's annoyed, blah blah)..... that was reallllllllllllllllllly good questioning. kid gloves. why GA, why CA?

psychopath?

.......who had a proclivity towards rage threats and violence. IMO

IMO, Caylee was pinched, slapped and dragged when Casey was 'irritated'. they saw it. and now they have to live with those images the rest of their lives. whatever 'bones' GA threw investigators in the beginning of this case, mentioning her thefts, her lies, IMO, it was 100 times worse than what he was 'being honest with you guys about'....again, they will have to live with the truth they were trying to hide....and are still trying to hide.

the lawsuits will be interesting......slandering innocent people again and again AND profiting from this death..... hopefully, the injured will sue for personal damages which will drain every bloody (blood money) dime from them. .....forcing them to go get jobs.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

ETA: how about the cement work in the yard...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

*waiting on maggot evidence....*Great post, Pru...

[seeing_eye]

I agree. They should pick a side and stick with it, rather than swag and sway. Since they have foreign DNA on the tape, better to argue that rather than argue contamination.

Did Cindy say Casey had to have help? I know Anne Downing (sp?) said it, did Cindy say it too?

imo

From the way I understood the report they never said the dna was "foreign," just that they were unable to identify it.

[msgatorslayer]

If I knew where it was on the video, I'd forward to that point and watch it. But I don't think I can stomach the rest of it. Blessedly, I fell asleep last nite before it came on.

Start watching at the 4:40 mark.:wub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH7sHZlG7rs

[BettyC]

I know.....BAT PHONES. The whole family is a case of arrested development!

It was funny how at the end of Part 2 Cindy, when LDB was getting Cindy's opinion of what she thought happened to Caylee and how Cindy said she still believe Caylee could be alive....how Andrea Lyon tried to stop it by RUDELy interrupting, asking when this would wrap up as she had a daughter sitting there, hungry!

Ashton then noted that Lyon is ONE HOUR BEHIND in time zone.....and I felt LDB purposefully dragging out a few more questions - the depo wrapped up at 7:30pm EST. So it had to be around 6:00pm CST when Lyon said her kid was hungry. :rolleyes:

imo

and Linda told her she could leave. She hadn't been the the entire day before that? lol

[Neffy]

From the way I understood the report they never said the dna was "foreign," just that they were unable to identify it.

I can't wait until this is straightened out. I was even wondering if perhaps it could be animal DNA or if it was at least determined to be human.

[Neffy]

and Linda told her she could leave. She hadn't been the the entire day before that? lol

OH Bet now that was funny! She was offended too! hahahaha

I also liked when she either left or lost connection that Jose needed to go to the mens room so had to find her to babysit LOL C'mon Conway was there. I'm sure he would have snitched.

[MiamiNice1]

It makes them all look bad, imo. Which is to say, it shows them for who they are.

Jose, in pitching his little fit, revealed more than if he'd allowed Cindy to craft another of her lies in response to the question. Not only did he confirm what was in His Girl's humongous backpack, he also confirmed he knows just how filthy it is to profit off a dead toddler.

It's really suspicious, imo, that they knew so early on to get those photos and videos out of the house and locked up for safekeeping. I wonder if the state will be able to use that fact as further evidence Casey knew her child was dead. Why else would she be delivering all that stuff to her lawyer for "future use?"

Ooooh, I forgot about that huge backpack!! You're right! Remember how much everyone here speculated about what could be in that backpack?

You're right - Jose would have been better off going with Cindy's answers - he totally revealed his hand with his protestations. I think they thought of those photos and videos early on, due to outright desperation to get PAID. It DISGUSTS me!!!!!!!!

imo

[MiamiNice1]

and Linda told her she could leave. She hadn't been the the entire day before that? lol
:laugh:....yeah.....I could FEEL Andrea bristling over that comment! Especially when LDB told her JOSE had been there alone the day before....

I have a newfound respect and admiration for LDB! She is no-nonsense, non-plussed and has a terrific memory!! She's a tough cookie!

imo

[newsjunkie]

I know.....BAT PHONES. The whole family is a case of arrested development!

It was funny how at the end of Part 2 Cindy, when LDB was getting Cindy's opinion of what she thought happened to Caylee and how Cindy said she still believe Caylee could be alive....how Andrea Lyon tried to stop it by RUDELy interrupting, asking when this would wrap up as she had a daughter sitting there, hungry!

Ashton then noted that Lyon is ONE HOUR BEHIND in time zone.....and I felt LDB purposefully dragging out a few more questions - the depo wrapped up at 7:30pm EST. So it had to be around 6:00pm CST when Lyon said her kid was hungry. :rolleyes:

imo


Why were AL and JB present for the A's depo anyway? They are not JB's clients. They have their own lawyer.

[msgatorslayer]

I know.....BAT PHONES. The whole family is a case of arrested development!

It was funny how at the end of Part 2 Cindy, when LDB was getting Cindy's opinion of what she thought happened to Caylee and how Cindy said she still believe Caylee could be alive....how Andrea Lyon tried to stop it by RUDELy interrupting, asking when this would wrap up as she had a daughter sitting there, hungry!

Ashton then noted that Lyon is ONE HOUR BEHIND in time zone.....and I felt LDB purposefully dragging out a few more questions - the depo wrapped up at 7:30pm EST. So it had to be around 6:00pm CST when Lyon said her kid was hungry. :rolleyes:

imo

:closedeyes: Why worry about the house and phones being mic'ed up, LE is there to find Caylee, they'd love to hear what Casey has to say.

Incredible how this family helps in a missing child investigation. Did they show up with a 4 packs of Bat Phones in Satsuma?

I noticed the defenses Skype telecommunications were having alot of problems. Maybe Lee needs to drop ship a pack off to them too.

[impartial]

I suspect they were more worried about Cindy than Linda. :laugh:


Cindy had use immunity for her depo.

That subject was not discussed in Lee's depo, I wonder if he didn't have use immunity. And what was Lee's attorney doing during the entire deposition. He never objected to the form of the question, he never stopped his client from speculating, he never stopped his client when Lee went off on a tangent.

And speaking of which, if I were representing Casey, I would have been objecting to most of the questions on the basis of calling for speculation, vague and ambiguous just to protect the record for trial purposes.

Oh well.

imo

[BettyC]

:laugh:....yeah.....I could FEEL Andrea bristling over that comment! Especially when LDB told her JOSE had been there alone the day before....

I have a newfound respect and admiration for LDB! She is no-nonsense, non-plussed and has a terrific memory!! She's a tough cookie!

imo

Me too. She's tough and manages not to come off as sarcastic. I have a feeling that Linda doesn't suffer fools gladly.

(She doesn't like to be lied to either.)

[Spots]

Cindy had use immunity for her depo.

That subject was not discussed in Lee's depo, I wonder if he didn't have use immunity. And what was Lee's attorney doing during the entire deposition. He never objected to the form of the question, he never stopped his client from speculating, he never stopped his client when Lee went off on a tangent.

And speaking of which, if I were representing Casey, I would have been objecting to most of the questions on the basis of calling for speculation, vague and ambiguous just to protect the record for trial purposes.

Oh well.

imo

Something tells me I'm glad you're not. :D

[seeing_eye]

Oh....and I LOVED how Ashton made it clear that CINDY was the one who FIRST brought up to Casey about the "family being in danger" during one of their jailhouse visits! He also made it clear in that first car ride on July 15th with Casey, that Casey NEVER MENTIONED "danger" as an excuse not to take Cindy to Caylee.

Did anyone notice how much more polite, civil and less talkative and circuitous Cindy was in this Depo? It almost seems she works better with a woman asking her questions than men. When she underwent questioning by the Police and Morgan, she was aggressive, defensive and disrespectful.

imo

BBM

The armed deputy who escorted Cindy to her depo may have still been standing by her side.

[newsjunkie]

Everyone is playing a huge game of Lie Alignment at this point, imo. Both sides are playing, but for very different reasons.


Thanks for responding.

I just don't know why the pros had to let them be there.
Does the defense let the pros sit in on depo's they take?

[MiamiNice1]

Why were AL and JB present for the A's depo anyway? They are not JB's clients. They have their own lawyer.
Right - when things got contentious about the videos and photos....LDB or Ashton made a clever reference as to WHO was speaking on behalf of Mrs. Anthony. NONE of them answered the question! Weird!

imo

[impartial]

Something tells me I'm glad you're not. :D



:laugh:

No worries, I refuse to get involved anymore with any cases that are emotional. Spent too many years doing that, and they definately take their toll.

[MiamiNice1]

BBM

The armed deputy who escorted Cindy to her depo may have still been standing by her side.
Truthfully, I don't think even THAT would stop Cindy!! :biggrin:

[impartial]

Thanks for responding.

I just don't know why the pros had to let them be there.
Does the defense let the pros sit in on depo's they take?


All parties are entitled to be at depositions of witnesses, other parties, etc.

The State is entitled to be at any and all depositions the defense takes, and visa versa.

imo

[newsjunkie]

All parties are entitled to be at depositions of witnesses, other parties, etc.

The State is entitled to be at any and all depositions the defense takes, and visa versa.

imo

OK .... Again,,,,,, thanx !

[MiamiNice1]

I've loved that gal (LDB, not AL) since the bond hearing when she went toe-to-toe with Cindy.

And ITA about her grasp of the gazillion details of this case, plus she seems to have cross-referenced all the lies and knows exactly what to ask. I loved her questions to Cindy about the details of Caylee's life, and I was not surprised in the least to see how little Cindy really attended to what was important to CAYLEE.

I'm beginning to think Lyon uses her size and the set of her face to intimidate people. She, along with the rest of Team Casey, has two distinct faces -- the one she showed while she was "consoling" Casey at the hearing, and the one she showed walking down the sidewalk after Belich asked her if she had her law students prepare the latest mess of motions. She's an actress for sure, that one.

I agree! I, too, noticed how Lyon uses her physical to intimidate (my Mother-in-law, although tiny, does the SAME!). And when she uses her "sweet" voice, it really throws me off! (ditto for my MIL, :laugh:)

Yes, I agree about LDB knowing all the lies/cross-referencing and that comforts me! Looks like they will NOT allow the defense to get away with anything over them!

[impartial]

Oh ... is Baez representing Casey? He was clearly there to represent his own interests in cashing in at some point down the line, imo. Quiet as a mouse until the subject veered toward payday questions.

He's a rank amateur, emphasis on rank. And I doubt very seriously he wants to go toe-to-toe with either LDB or Ashton without anyone in the room he can impress or who will protect him from the big, bad state's attorneys. What a complete embarrassment the man is.


I pretty much skimmed the depo, but what it appeared to me was there was a prior ruling that prohibited the State from getting into that area. That's why Baez told Cindy to zip it. Conway should have been the one to instruct his client not to answer, but since he wasn't controlling her, Baez stepped in.

My first depo, the co-defendant was being deposed and was blaming my client for everything. I objected to every question for 2 reasons ... (1) objections as to form of the question are waived if not raised at the deposition (2) I didn't know what else to do to stop the co-defendant from dumping on my client. :laugh:

imo

[MiamiNice1]

:lol:Me too. She's tough and manages not to come off as sarcastic. I have a feeling that Linda doesn't suffer fools gladly.

(She doesn't like to be lied to either.)
I also found she was able to empathize and make the (victim) witness feel comfortable!

BBM - Oh, the SUBLETY! That one had me ROFL!!!!!

[msgatorslayer]

Absolutely. And do you remember the look on JM's face when he said it?! LOL

Priceless!!!! :laugh:

[sunstar]

And Casey says it was squirrels, lmao.

Didn't Cindy also say, in some interview, that it smelled like a fridge that needs to be cleaned out? I seem to recall alot of laughter and questioning WHAT is in her fridge.

That was on LKL the night before Caylee was found, IIRC. She said something like her fridge has smelled like that. :biggrin:

[MiamiNice1]

I would so love to know what the reason was behind the depo questions. :drool:
Seems they are sloooowly cornering G&C and the Grand Jury Depo will be the final nail. They have MONTHS of work, just trying to cross reference George's lies alone.

These depos have given me a new confidence in the Prosecution.

(You're on a roll! "Lie alignment," "Emphasis on Rank," "payday questions".....:lol:)

[MiamiNice1]

Did you love her bringing up Cindy's eating and sleeping habits to insure they wouldn't have a "situation" similar to those in which Cindy yammered on about her lack of this, that and the other? :laugh:
omg. LDB made sure to sound SUPER solicitous and caring........:laugh:

[impartial]

I seriously doubt Baez could form enough coherent sentences, especially based on his demonstrated vast knowledge of the law, to present any sort of challenge to the prosecution. I've never seen a poorer communicator in the profession of law. He can't think on his feet, his grasp of the English language is abysmal, and his first impulse is to go all snarky and smirky. It's not a pretty sight. I suspect the state would've eaten his lunch if he'd tried to interfere. He's just not up to the task. Hardly a worthy adversary. And he seriously likes to do his best performances with a much bigger audience, and preferably with Judge Strickland available to bail him out.


Can't say that I disagree.

He also misses opportunities to make a record. The prosecution demanded that Casey be present at all court hearings, that she not be allowed to waive her right to even a simple motion.

I would have come back with a motion to allow her to attend all of the depositions, since the State thinks its imperative she be at the motions and the motion can't go forward without her presence, then I would argue that it is equally imperative that she assist the defense in all of the depositions. Not that I would win, but at least to make a record.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

The last time she was questioned by Maggie Rodriguez, it was the same thing. Someone obviously gave her the advice to tone it down 80notches. Either way, she's sickening to watch.
If we're talking about anyone other than Cindy, after the hammering she received after her M&M Depo, you'd think she would learn......but I have my doubts about Cindy. She's one stubborn.....

[msgatorslayer]

Did you love her bringing up Cindy's eating and sleeping habits to insure they wouldn't have a "situation" similar to those in which Cindy yammered on about her lack of this, that and the other? :laugh:

Oh yeah!! She made sure Cindy was nice and comfortable, as Cindy can be, for the record, lol.:thumbup:

[sunstar]

Seems they are sloooowly cornering G&C and the Grand Jury Depo will be the final nail. They have MONTHS of work, just trying to cross reference George's lies alone.

These depos have given me a new confidence in the Prosecution.

(You're on a roll! "Lie alignment," "Emphasis on Rank".....:lol:)

I agree ~ and have no doubt the prosecution will be very successful! :thumbup: I especially loved the part about "not being lied to" and LDB said she didn't like to be either. :biggrin: MOO

[MiamiNice1]

I haven't read that far, MN, but I'll definitely watch for it.

Baez is just as bad as the Anthonys. How do this people find one another?!
It's towards the end of Part 2 Cindy - about 100 or so pages before the end, I believe.

I'm sure it is some kind of subconscious, sick attraction......IMO!

[BettyC]

In case anyone missed the highlight (IMO) of the hearing on Friday -

http://www.wftv.com/video/21316541/index.html

Just fast forward to 16:48 and watch for a minute or two.

I tried to read AL's lips at the 17:18 point and I think she says Oh My God (not positive).

I rewound a few times to see if I could see Cindy's reaction. It does look like it made her sit up straight. Someone who was there said George pulled her back.

[Spots]

I agree! I, too, noticed how Lyon uses her physical to intimidate (my Mother-in-law, although tiny, does the SAME!). And when she uses her "sweet" voice, it really throws me off! (ditto for my MIL, :laugh:)

Yes, I agree about LDB knowing all the lies/cross-referencing and that comforts me! Looks like they will NOT allow the defense to get away with anything over them!

I don't get the feeling that LDB will be intimidated by anyone, especially anyone on the defense team.

Gee - there goes Cindy's ace-in-the-hole, huh? :lol:

[MiamiNice1]

(Thank you. The Anthonys have a way of putting my sarcasm into warp overdrive.)

With regard to what's behind the questions ... maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but how do you think the pros will use all the lies of her parents in the case against Casey? Is it part of the timeline they're building? Are they trying to fill in the blanks based on stuff they know that perhaps we don't? Like the whole gas can line of questioning. To what end?

ETA: Not that I'm not enjoying every letter of every word, mind you, but I'd like to know where all this is going eventually.
Just like in the Depos, there will be some things that will not be productive to bring up or chase after, even knowing they are outright lying. The "bigger picture" is more important - to convict Casey/justice for Caylee.

The gas cans, though, are important - as it helps tie in the duct tape. George made a MESS out of his explanations and after reading how the prosecution slowly wound him around, seems they will have all the loose ends tied up by trial and will nail him - in a nice way, of course.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

I don't get the feeling that LDB will be intimidated by anyone, especially anyone on the defense team.

Gee - there goes Cindy's ace-in-the-hole, huh? :lol:
Exactly! Cindy will NOT be able to ram through LDB! LDB has a memory that no liar can compete with!

imo

[Spots]

I seriously doubt Baez could form enough coherent sentences, especially based on his demonstrated vast knowledge of the law, to present any sort of challenge to the prosecution. I've never seen a poorer communicator in the profession of law. He can't think on his feet, his grasp of the English language is abysmal, and his first impulse is to go all snarky and smirky. It's not a pretty sight. I suspect the state would've eaten his lunch if he'd tried to interfere. He's just not up to the task. Hardly a worthy adversary. And he seriously likes to do his best performances with a much bigger audience, and preferably with Judge Strickland available to bail him out.

ITA. Jose is somebody who should be relegated to the sideshow tent with the bearded lady.

[impartial]

(Thank you. The Anthonys have a way of putting my sarcasm into warp overdrive.)

With regard to what's behind the questions ... maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but how do you think the pros will use all the lies of her parents in the case against Casey? Is it part of the timeline they're building? Are they trying to fill in the blanks based on stuff they know that perhaps we don't? Like the whole gas can line of questioning. To what end?

ETA: Not that I'm not enjoying every letter of every word, mind you, but I'd like to know where all this is going eventually.


The State needs the Anthony's for the timeline of when Caylee went missing, the lengths Casey went to in hiding the fact that Caylee went missing, etc.

At some point, they are going to have to make the decision of whether they want to discredit the witnesses that are going to establish a big part of their case. It's a fine line. They want the jury to believe them with respect to all of the things that incriminate Casey, but if they discredit them too much, then will the State be left to argue out of both sides of their mouths ... believe Cindy when she said the car smelled like it had a dead body in it, but don't believe her when she says ....

imo

[Spots]

omg. LDB made sure to sound SUPER solicitous and caring........:laugh:

And it went right over Cindy's head.

Same with the great recitation of Casey's extraordinary abilities as a photographer.

:lol:

[MiamiNice1]

In case anyone missed the highlight (IMO) of the hearing on Friday -

http://www.wftv.com/video/21316541/index.html

Just fast forward to 16:48 and watch for a minute or two.

I tried to read AL's lips at the 17:18 point and I think she says Oh My God (not positive).

I rewound a few times to see if I could see Cindy's reaction. It does look like it made her sit up straight. Someone who was there said George pulled her back.

I think Lyon said, "Oh, for God's sake."

imo

[MiamiNice1]

And it went right over Cindy's head.

Same with the great recitation of Casey's extraordinary abilities as a photographer.

:lol:
You're so right - I also noticed that Cindy did not GET LDB and her subtle sarcasm/mocking!!! :loveeyes:

[BettyC]

I think Lyon said, "Oh, for God's sake."

imo

Thanks Miami - that's exactly what I wrote down, then I typed OMG lol.

[MiamiNice1]

I agree ~ and have no doubt the prosecution will be very successful! :thumbup: I especially loved the part about "not being lied to" and LDB said she didn't like to be either. :biggrin: MOO

BBM- that one KILLED me laughing, too!!!!

[Spots]

BBM- that one KILLED me laughing, too!!!!

Another one Cindy missed.

LDB is goooooooooood!

[MiamiNice1]

Okay, I'm sure it's because I'm a wee bit (:laugh:) jaded, but I took it as Linda rubbing Cindy's nose in her constant talk about CindyCindyCindy. I missed it entirely if LDB was truly trying to be solicitous of Cindy's comfort.
LDB is excellent! She has a classy, high-end way of going in for the KILL! :tonguewag: Cindy never knew what hit her!!

imo

[msgatorslayer]

Okay, I'm sure it's because I'm a wee bit (:laugh:) jaded, but I took it as Linda rubbing Cindy's nose in her constant talk about CindyCindyCindy. I missed it entirely if LDB was truly trying to be solicitous of Cindy's comfort.

When Cindy is on the stand, at trial, I can see her being asked about something in her depo, and she'd go on and on about how she didn't eat that day, or only got 4 hours of sleep. She still may, lmao. It is on the record that she was fed and has some sleep.

I would have taken it more as being sarcastic if Linda had asked her if she had been watered that day. I don't recall that being asked of Cindy.

[MiamiNice1]

I just watched again, Betty, and I think she said, "Oh for God's sake." As if it would be wrong for anyone to want to stand up for a murdered child. :mad:

And I also read that that remark caused Cindy to stir and George to pull her down. Wouldn't grieving grandparents be happy that someone wanted to get justice for their granddaughter? Obviously not these "grieving" grandparents.
EXACTLY! You hit it. WHY would anyone object to that statement by LDB??? Why would Lyon mock it? Why would Casey flinch a little? Why would G&C object???

This whole dynamic escapes us and I am GLAD it does - it means WE are NORMAL!!!!!!

imo

[sunstar]

BBM- that one KILLED me laughing, too!!!!

She's one sharp prosecutor with a quick wit that Cindy didn't catch on to! :biggrin: MOO

[BettyC]

When Cindy is on the stand, at trial, I can see her being asked about something in her depo, and she'd go on and on about how she didn't eat that day, or only got 4 hours of sleep. She still may, lmao. It is on the record that she was fed and has some sleep.

I would have taken it more as being sarcastic if Linda had asked her if she had been watered that day. I don't recall that being asked of Cindy.

Or, would you like a break to brush your teeth after chewing that wad of gum? Cindy had to tell them how often she brushes her teeth you know.

[Neffy]

Thank you, Betty! Andrea said "Oh for God's sake," in response to LDB's assertion she was there to protect the CHILD and NOT the family. And then Lyon studied Casey very carefully, her eyes never left her face, and Casey didn't even flinch, but she did eventually lean over to say something to Lyon.

That was such a beautiful moment for me. And what made it even better was Linda actually disagreed with Judge S. when he said her interest was to "protect the family." That speaks volumes to me about how LDB feels about the victim in this case, and how she's been sacrificed over and over and over, literally and figuratively, by her "family." And she was 2 years old. I feel even better now about the prosecution than I did before. With that kind of skin in the game, imo, Linda will be able to fill in some possible forensic gaps with the passion she shows the jury about how Caylee was sacrificed by her entire family.

Nice catch Bet tx for pulling this back up. Yep Say, she sure does a OFGS! it. Why in the world would she say that? Does she not know why the state is there?

[Spots]

Or, would you like a break to brush your teeth after chewing that wad of gum? Cindy had to tell them how often she brushes her teeth you know.

Of course. It's *all* about Cindy, doncha know?

[MiamiNice1]

:closedeyes: Why worry about the house and phones being mic'ed up, LE is there to find Caylee, they'd love to hear what Casey has to say.

Incredible how this family helps in a missing child investigation. Did they show up with a 4 packs of Bat Phones in Satsuma?

I noticed the defenses Skype telecommunications were having alot of problems. Maybe Lee needs to drop ship a pack off to them too.
No fan of Ronald Cummings, here, but I'm sooo glad he sent George and Cindy packing!!

When Cindy first mentioned the "bat phones" in the depo, I could almost HEAR LDB dying laughing inside of her!!! Especially when she said they'd just refer to the phones from now on as "bat phones."

I don't know how she controlled/stifled her laughter!!!!

imo

[Spots]

Nice catch Bet tx for pulling this back up. Yep Say, she sure does a OFGS! it. Why in the world would she say that? Does she not know why the state is there?

Because the defense just got upstaged and she knows it.

She can't counter with a rational argument, so she has to deride LDB. Good luck with that, Andrea.

[MiamiNice1]

Or, would you like a break to brush your teeth after chewing that wad of gum? Cindy had to tell them how often she brushes her teeth you know.
Poor Caylee.....after EVERY meal!!

And then Cindy said she had a toothbrush with her at that moment and had brushed after lunch that day! omg.

imo

[msgatorslayer]

Or, would you like a break to brush your teeth after chewing that wad of gum? Cindy had to tell them how often she brushes her teeth you know.

:lol:

I wonder how the Anthony's are doing on this fine, chilly weekend. Depo dumps, cameos, now that the show aired, another 100k, oops, I mean 10k, wired into their account tommorrow morning?

[MiamiNice1]

She's one sharp prosecutor with a quick wit that Cindy didn't catch on to! :biggrin: MOO
And she's really quite young to be sounding so experienced!

I'm glad I slogged through those depos, it's given me great comfort and confidence in the prosecution!

[BettyC]

Because the defense just got upstaged and she knows it.

She can't counter with a rational argument, so she has to deride LDB. Good luck with that, Andrea.

And poor Jose thought he had the line of the day with "my client IS the next of kin."

[sunstar]

Because the defense just got upstaged and she knows it.

She can't counter with a rational argument, so she has to deride LDB. Good luck with that, Andrea.

One thing I'm very curious about is once the trial starts, how long will it be before the jury just tunes her (and the other defense lawyers) out. Jurors can be very observant! MOO

[sunstar]

And she's really quite young to be sounding so experienced!

I'm glad I slogged through those depos, it's given me great comfort and confidence in the prosecution!

I think she just has a natural talent to do her job very well. I didn't think there was anybody better than AJ (from the Spector trial) but LDB is right up there with him so far! MOO

[MiamiNice1]

And poor Jose thought he had the line of the day with "my client IS the next of kin."
He totally did, BettyC! But LDB told HIM and the WORLD! :thumbup:

[MiamiNice1]

I think she just has a natural talent to do her job very well. I didn't think there was anybody better than AJ (from the Spector trial) but LDB is right up there with him so far! MOO
ITA about LDB's natural talent. Cool, calm, collected. Kudos to her maturity!

While AJ was amazing, LDB's youth really gives her the extra edge. :)

[Neffy]

And poor Jose thought he had the line of the day with "my client IS the next of kin."

Which sounded horrible considering she's the defendant on murder charges for her "next of kin"

[msgatorslayer]

No fan of Ronald Cummings, here, but I'm sooo glad he sent George and Cindy packing!!

When Cindy first mentioned the "bat phones" in the depo, I could almost HEAR LDB dying laughing inside of her!!! Especially when she said they'd just refer to the phones from now on as "bat phones."

I don't know how she controlled/stifled her laughter!!!!

imo

ITA about Cummings. Told them right where to go, lol.

I was dying when Linda started calling them 'bat phones'. Yeah, I'm sure she had to contain herself. And was able to do so as she kept her eye on the big picture.

[MiamiNice1]

Because the defense just got upstaged and she knows it.

She can't counter with a rational argument, so she has to deride LDB. Good luck with that, Andrea.
You have really nailed it here, Spots!

(btw, I've been meaning to tell you, but have been busy reading the depos for the past few days - in reading so many of your posts, that you have an amazing eye for detail!)

[Spots]

You have really nailed it here, Spots!

(btw, I've been meaning to tell you, but have been busy reading the depos for the past few days - in reading so many of your posts, that you have an amazing eye for detail!)

:blushing:

[MiamiNice1]

ITA about Cummings. Told them right where to go, lol.

I was dying when Linda started calling them 'bat phones'. Yeah, I'm sure she had to contain herself. And was able to do so as she kept her eye on the big picture.
Notice, also, how the few times Cindy would meander, and even I was forgetting the original question, LDB would say, "that wasn't the question," or "what does this have to do with my original question".....:thumbsup:

So true about her seeing and being focused on "the big picture."

[MiamiNice1]

Which sounded horrible considering she's the defendant on murder charges for her "next of kin"
Yes....I thought that was a very awkward/strange/inappropriate thing to bring up, given the murder charge!!

[sunstar]

ITA about LDB's natural talent. Cool, calm, collected. Kudos to her maturity!

While AJ was amazing, LDB's youth really gives her the extra edge. :)

Oh I can't disagree with that! She's going to so outshine the defense, imo.


:seeya: have a good night everybody!

[BlueTurtle]

The State needs the Anthony's for the timeline of when Caylee went missing, the lengths Casey went to in hiding the fact that Caylee went missing, etc.

At some point, they are going to have to make the decision of whether they want to discredit the witnesses that are going to establish a big part of their case. It's a fine line. They want the jury to believe them with respect to all of the things that incriminate Casey, but if they discredit them too much, then will the State be left to argue out of both sides of their mouths ... believe Cindy when she said the car smelled like it had a dead body in it, but don't believe her when she says ....

imo

I think pin pointing that Cindy related that the information came from Casey as to some of the activities that Cindy 'believed', that Cindy did not have independent information from anyone else to verify what Casey stated to her was one area Linda DB was making a record about. This way it could be related that Casey lied to her mother about a lot of things.

[desmom]

I don't know if I will ever get through part 2 of Cindy's interview. Besides it being long, my house becomes grand central station every time I open the link.

I am up to the Universal ID. It clearly has "Chris" on the id, yet Cindy said it was Casey. She said it was common for the employees to switch IDs. (page 161 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html )

Anyone else buying this story?

I wonder if any employees named "Chris" had to get a new ID tag because his/her's was "lost".

[MiamiNice1]

Oh I can't disagree with that! She's going to so outshine the defense, imo.

:seeya: have a good night everybody!
Nite, Nite Sunstar! :seeya:

[Spots]

I don't know if I will ever get through part 2 of Cindy's interview. Besides it being long, my house becomes grand central station every time I open the link.

I am up to the Universal ID. It clearly has "Chris" on the id, yet Cindy said it was Casey. She said it was common for the employees to switch IDs. (page 161 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html )

Anyone else buying this story?

I wonder if any employees named "Chris" had to get a new ID tag because his/her's was "lost".

Out of Cindy's mouth? Not a chance.

As has been previously noted by other astute posters, it would not surprise me to learn that Casey had had sticky fingers for many years. She likely started with small insignificant items and perfected her craft as the years passed.

[MiamiNice1]

I think pin pointing that Cindy related that the information came from Casey as to some of the activities that Cindy 'believed', that Cindy did not have independent information from anyone else to verify what Casey stated to her was one area Linda DB was making a record about. This way it could be related that Casey lied to her mother about a lot of things.
Excellent pinpointing, by LDB!

Did everyone see how in the beginning of Cindy's depo - and this is at the end of July 2009 - Cindy says she STILL TRUSTS Casey!!! I was FLOORED!

She STILL maintained they were the BEST of friends and could talk about everything and just cannot seem to be able to digest, get through her head that Casey completely took her for a FOOL and lied her head off about EVERYTHING she ever told her!

The part about Cindy explaining about Casey's CLUES just KILLS me and I could almost hear LDB DYING, while having to say "sure" and "um-hum," pretending to seem like she understood this utter MADNESS!

imo

eta - just remembered how LDB also made Cindy make it perfectly clear that Casey NEVER took any clothing of Caylee's when sneaking into the house. between 6/15 and 7/15. That only things belonging to CASEY were missing - nothing of Caylee's except for the outfit George had last seen her in!! :(

[msgatorslayer]

I don't know if I will ever get through part 2 of Cindy's interview. Besides it being long, my house becomes grand central station every time I open the link.

I am up to the Universal ID. It clearly has "Chris" on the id, yet Cindy said it was Casey. She said it was common for the employees to switch IDs. (page 161 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html )

Anyone else buying this story?

I wonder if any employees named "Chris" had to get a new ID tag because his/her's was "lost".

A few of us were talking about that the other night, Des. I couldn't understand why Cindy went off, talking about employees switching name tags till I seen the pics at the end.

One of two things were mentioned.

Casey has sticky fingers and just steals, to steal. The black bag may belong to "Chris'.:sneaky:

Even more :sneaky:, that name tag allowed her to do something that her "Casey' name tag wouldn't allow for at Universal.

Whatever the reason, Cindy felt it was important to talk about the name tag 'switch'.

[MiamiNice1]

A few of us were talking about that the other night, Des. I couldn't understand why Cindy went off, talking about employees switching name tags till I seen the pics at the end.

One of two things were mentioned.

Casey has sticky fingers and just steals, to steal. The black bag may belong to "Chris'.:sneaky:

Even more :sneaky:, that name tag allowed her to do something that her "Casey' name tag wouldn't allow for at Universal.

Whatever the reason, Cindy felt it was important to talk about the name tag 'switch'.
The shortened "Chris" is a unisex name.....wonder if THAT is how Casey got the family in for Halloween Horror Night at Universal that Cindy kept using as her excuse to believe Casey was still employed? :sneaky:

[msgatorslayer]

Preview of coming attractions. The state of Florida is about to appropriate the memory of Caylee Marie Anthony and there's not a damn thing Casey's family or defense team can do about it. They will lay in the bed they made.

:thumbsup: Amen!!!!!!

[MiamiNice1]

How completely adolescent and inappropriate. Business as usual. :laugh:
You've said this before and it's so true....it's always....mememememememe with her!

[MiamiNice1]

Another thing I just remembered -

How about Cindy at first trying to blame Tim Miller for the PROTESTERS showing up at her door???

Then she backed off when LDB's excellent memory said it began when Casey was let out the second time. Then Cindy being Cindy, after backing off a bit, tried to still blame Tim a little bit! omg. :rolleyes: Go LINDA!

[msgatorslayer]

The shortened "Chris" is a unisex name.....wonder if THAT is how Casey got the family in for Halloween Horror Night at Universal that Cindy kept using as her excuse to believe Casey was still employed? :sneaky:

Yup!

She also knew her way around the halls of Universal. Enough so to walk LE down a hall, stopping before getting into her 'office'.

I really don't believe that someone who works for a sub-contractor of Universal that snaps pics of families on the rides gets that kind of access to the 'inside'. I sure could be wrong though.

[MiamiNice1]

Yep. And then Judge Strickland set up the next play and Linda scored before Baez even heard the whistle!! :thumbup:
Terrific Sports Analogy!!! :laugh:...........:thumbsup:

[desmom]

Out of Cindy's mouth? Not a chance.

As has been previously noted by other astute posters, it would not surprise me to learn that Casey had had sticky fingers for many years. She likely started with small insignificant items and perfected her craft as the years passed.

A few of us were talking about that the other night, Des. I couldn't understand why Cindy went off, talking about employees switching name tags till I seen the pics at the end.

One of two things were mentioned.

Casey has sticky fingers and just steals, to steal. The black bag may belong to "Chris'.:sneaky:

Even more :sneaky:, that name tag allowed her to do something that her "Casey' name tag wouldn't allow for at Universal.

Whatever the reason, Cindy felt it was important to talk about the name tag 'switch'.

:seeya:

It just blows my mind that whatever poured out of Casey's mouth they believed...or should I say, they claim to have believed.

They are either blinded by Casey's line of carp or they looked the other way because they didn't want to be bothered.

jmo

[Daffodil]

In case anyone missed the highlight (IMO) of the hearing on Friday -

http://www.wftv.com/video/21316541/index.html

Just fast forward to 16:48 and watch for a minute or two.

I tried to read AL's lips at the 17:18 point and I think she says Oh My God (not positive).

I rewound a few times to see if I could see Cindy's reaction. It does look like it made her sit up straight. Someone who was there said George pulled her back.

Looks to me like she said, "For goodness sake".

[MiamiNice1]

ROFL! I owe you a Coke. :laugh:
GMTA!! :laugh: ROFL!! I had the same epiphany!!

Isn't it funny how Cindy was so bewildered by how Casey could have gotten them in?!?! Resourceful little girl!

[Daffodil]

Just like in the Depos, there will be some things that will not be productive to bring up or chase after, even knowing they are outright lying. The "bigger picture" is more important - to convict Casey/justice for Caylee.

The gas cans, though, are important - as it helps tie in the duct tape. George made a MESS out of his explanations and after reading how the prosecution slowly wound him around, seems they will have all the loose ends tied up by trial and will nail him - in a nice way, of course.

imo

Didn't he, at first, say he did not use the cans between July 15th and the date they were taken out with the search warrant? Then they came back around where he said without their prompting him that he did fill one up to mow the lawn. But he couldn't remember which one. How ironic. Wouldn't he use the one that just contained gas and not the one with the gas/oil mix.

[msgatorslayer]

:seeya:

It just blows my mind that whatever poured out of Casey's mouth they believed...or should I say, they claim to have believed.

They are either blinded by Casey's line of carp or they looked the other way because they didn't want to be bothered.

jmo

Yep, CLAIMED!!!

Have you tortured yourself with George's depo, yet?

He talks about how he found Casey wasn't working at Sports Authority and how he had to let it go. Cindy scolded him for not trusting his Daughter and creating family problems.

He was asked about a line from suicide note in which he says that it's his fault 'she's gone' that he learned things in the past year or so, and had to 'let them go'.

[MiamiNice1]

Just had a thought. Didn't Cindy say Casey got them into Universal's Halloween haunted house long after she was no longer working there? Perhaps that's why Casey swiped someone else's ID. She needed it to continue the ruse by gaining access to Universal for certain events Cindy asked her about?
How about when LDB artfully got Cindy to admit that everything Cindy thought that Casey knew from "being on the inside" about the goings ons at Universal - was actually the SAME things CINDY knew about just by listening to the radio!!!! :thumbsup:

Wonder if Cindy caught that?! LOL!

HILARIOUS!

[MiamiNice1]

Didn't he, at first, say he did not use the cans between July 15th and the date they were taken out with the search warrant? Then they came back around where he said without their prompting him that he did fill one up to mow the lawn. But he couldn't remember which one. How ironic. Wouldn't he use the one that just contained gas and not the one with the gas/oil mix.
Exactly. George ROYALLY blew his gas can explanations. Bet his GJ testimony will shed even more light about those cans George claims to have never taped (he would never do it so sloppily :rolleyes:) and never used!

imo

[msgatorslayer]

How about when LDB artfully got Cindy to admit that everything Cindy thought that Casey knew from "being on the inside" about the goings ons at Universal - was actually the SAME things CINDY knew about just by listening to the radio!!!! :thumbsup:

Wonder if Cindy caught that?! LOL!

HILARIOUS!

:lol: Remember the "Universal Event Planning' site that was on Casey's puter? The one you or I can access from the comfort of our own homes?

[BettyC]

Looks to me like she said, "For goodness sake".

Yes, me too Daffodil. I wrote that down, but then went ahead and typed omg for some reason.

[desmom]

Yep, CLAIMED!!!

Have you tortured yourself with George's depo, yet?

He talks about how he found Casey wasn't working at Sports Authority and how he had to let it go. Cindy scolded him for not trusting his Daughter and creating family problems.

He was asked about a line from suicide note in which he says that it's his fault 'she's gone' that he learned things in the past year or so, and had to 'let them go'.


Yeah I read George and Lee's lst. I saved Cindy's for last. After 50 pages or so, I have to walk away. Now I understand why the attorneys kept leaving the room. :tonguewag:

[Spots]

I'd like Looked the Other Way Because They Didn't Want to be Bothered for $1000, Alex. :smile:

Plus, the lying was a big part of the fabric of their lives. They all lied, they all knew they were lying and being lied to, and after a point I would imagine they didn't even make much effort to find the truth. They were probably trying to force the truth out of Casey by lying to her ... know what I mean?

Snake pit. Have I noted that already? :glare:

Why, yes, I believe you have. And it's still totally appropriate.

Aside from the Don't-Want-To-Be-Bothered scenario, I think there was a hefty dollop of Don't-Disturb-The-Sleeping-Witch justification for their reluctance to rile Casey.

[msgatorslayer]

I'd like Looked the Other Way Because They Didn't Want to be Bothered for $1000, Alex. :smile:

Plus, the lying was a big part of the fabric of their lives. They all lied, they all knew they were lying and being lied to, and after a point I would imagine they didn't even make much effort to find the truth. They were probably trying to force the truth out of Casey by lying to her ... know what I mean?

Snake pit. Have I noted that already? :glare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KDm7Kes_DQ

[MiamiNice1]

:lol: Remember the "Universal Event Planning' site that was on Casey's puter? The one you or I can access from the comfort of our own homes?
Yeah, that was ANOTHER GOOD ONE!!! :lol:

And how about those hours of Casey's? According to George in his Depo, he says her hours would be like 1:00-5:00 - and he would mention times that would only be in 4 hour blocks - what kind of a "full-time" job was this? Gawd these people were/are SUCH enablers!!!!!

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Haven't got there yet! Can't wait!! :laugh:
Oops, sorry to ruin the surprise!!! :laugh:

[BettyC]

Yeah I read George and Lee's lst. I saved Cindy's for last. After 50 pages or so, I have to walk away. Now I understand why the attorneys kept leaving the room. :tonguewag:

I wish these depos would be required reading for people like....say Maggie Rodriguez.


Nite all :seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

Yeah, and how about those hours of Casey's? According to George in his Depo, he says her hours would be like 1:00-5:00 - and he would mention times that would only be in 4 hour blocks - what kind of a "full-time" job was this? Gawd these people were/are SUCH enablers!!!!!

imo

Or that one or two times when she posted her 'schedule' on the fridge.

The 'schedule' that we've seen, which came from the faux email of Universal.

I noticed George mentioned quite a few of Casey's 'meetings'. Did he really think she was all that? :wub:

[MiamiNice1]

I wish these depos would be required reading for people like....say Maggie Rodriguez.

Nite all :seeya:
Good idea about the required reading, Bett!

Have a good night and thanks for all your informative posts and links!

[MiamiNice1]

Or that one or two times when she posted her 'schedule' on the fridge.

The 'schedule' that we've seen, which came from the faux email of Universal.

I noticed George mentioned quite a few of Casey's 'meetings'. Did he really think she was all that? :wub:
I think SAYITAGAIN is right about them just not bothering. They only knew her hours on the calendar and never bothered to ask what she actually DID. :rolleyes:

EVERYTHING was a LIE!!

[Spots]

I must say, like, reading Cindy's, like, deposition has caused me to , like, review my own, like, speech patterns. Like, hers would drive me, like, nuts.

[Lexi]

I think Cindy and George tended to ignore what they didn't want to see was the truth. Much like today, right???

[desmom]

Freudian slip by Cindy? page 203, line 14
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Cindy: I don't recall that during the evening. I'm not even sure if it was the next day we talked about it. I'm not really sure the smell was an issue. Because at that point I still did not connect the smell to Caylee.

[msgatorslayer]

I think SAYITAGAIN is right about them just not bothering. They only knew her hours on the calendar and never bothered to ask what she actually DID. :rolleyes:

EVERYTHING was a LIE!!

Yep, didn't care.

Cindy worked and took care of everything. Casey and George could do whatever they wanted to do with their time.

Even one of Casey's friends {Can't remember who} said that she didn't believe Casey about her job. It just didn't make any sense to her that Casey didn't have an education, was so young, yet managed to 'score' this wonderful, dream job, where she worked from home alot.

[MiamiNice1]

I must say, like, reading Cindy's, like, deposition has caused me to , like, review my own, like, speech patterns. Like, hers would drive me, like, nuts.
Did you happen to see at the end of Cindy's depo (I think), part1, how they had a reference list of WHERE to find words, like they have in Bibles - it's in alphabetical order, and I think the longest references were with the word CASEY!

[msgatorslayer]

ROFL! OMG the expressions are perfect for each segment! :lol:

I've been trying to amuse myself in between depos by looking up some parody vids. Just found this one, tonight, lmao.

[Lexi]

Cindy is trying so hard in her depo to be believable that she is willing to take responsibility for the Chloroform search and she is willing to nail LE to the cross for arresting Casey too soon.......she just looks like a crazy mom who can't save her murdering daughter. It is almost pathetic right now.

[MiamiNice1]

Start watching at the 4:40 mark.:wub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH7sHZlG7rs
The quote of the show and bears repeating!

"She came into that coutroom like a doberman on a lunge line. She was rabid and it was like, here. we. go." ~ Thank you, Mr. Morgan!

(and thanks for the replay, msgatorslayer!)

[MiamiNice1]

Cindy is trying so hard in her depo to be believable that she is willing to take responsibility for the Chloroform search and she is willing to nail LE to the cross for arresting Casey too soon.......she just looks like a crazy mom who can't save her murdering daughter. It is almost pathetic right now.
LDB also got Cindy on that, asking if she ever left work in the middle of the day (she didn't mention that THAT is when those searches were done) - and Cindy, after fudging a little, said, "no." lol!!

[msgatorslayer]

Cindy is trying so hard in her depo to be believable that she is willing to take responsibility for the Chloroform search and she is willing to nail LE to the cross for arresting Casey too soon.......she just looks like a crazy mom who can't save her murdering daughter. It is almost pathetic right now.

ITA- It is pathetic!!!!

1. She wasn't home at the time of the searches being performed.

2. She didn't tell George of her plan to try and take the heat for the chloroform searches. He says their dogs don't get sick, lmao. He didn't even know what the state was talking about when they asked him about it.

[Lexi]

Ya know, I just keeping hanging onto the fact that Judge Strickland gave Baez and team til February 1st to prove who the "killer" is who put Caylee's body in the woods. I LOVE that he called them to task on this, as I am so tired of their "somebody else did it" answer. I guess the judge is tired of it too!

Pray for Judge Strickland, as he is the level head in this craziness!

[Lexi]

Say it again......Yep! Things are getting better all the time!

[MiamiNice1]

To me, she comes off like an arrogant primadonna who is trying to save face. Saving her daughter is only a means to an end, imo. Cynthia is totally NOT down with being the mother of a murderer and grandmother of a murdered baby. Doesn't fit her image of herself. imo
This is the final, bottom line, imo, too!

It is telling when Cindy told Maggie Rodriguez in msgatorslayer's clip above, that she "could not fathom Casey making up a person like this...." Cindy's denial is so beyond over-the-top because of what you say - she is completely TERRIFIED that it would reflect soooooo badly on her! And this TRUMPS CAYLEE'S welfare in every single way. Ugh!!

[Daffodil]

Ya know, I just keeping hanging onto the fact that Judge Strickland gave Baez and team til February 1st to prove who the "killer" is who put Caylee's body in the woods. I LOVE that he called them to task on this, as I am so tired of their "somebody else did it" answer. I guess the judge is tired of it too!

Pray for Judge Strickland, as he is the level head in this craziness!



I am sure this has already been addressed and possibly answered, but why is Judge Strickland giving them so much time? If they have the info, produce it now!!

[msgatorslayer]

This is the final, bottom line, imo, too!

It is telling when Cindy told Maggie Rodriguez in msgatorslayer's clip above, that she "could not fathom Casey making up a person like this...." Cindy's denial is so beyond over-the-top because of what you say - she is completely TERRIFIED that it would reflect soooooo badly on her! And this TRUMPS CAYLEE'S welfare in every single way. Ugh!!

"All of the sudden'

Another slip of hers?

If Cindy is to be believed {lol} Zanny's been around for a long time and she had contact information for her.

How is it even possible that Casey 'all of the sudden' made Zanny up? If she was made up, she was made up A LONG TIME AGO.

[Daffodil]

And another thing.........I haven't been able to get to the boards till tonight........did see 48 hours last night................Cindy is babysitting a child?????????????? What is wrong with that child's parents?? How much more bizarre can it get?

And when LKB said there was dna that was not able to be identified, was that correct? I know one was from the FBI person. Was there another dna that could not be identified? If so, maybe it was the person who last used the duct tape before Casey.

[Pruddennce]

In case anyone missed the highlight (IMO) of the hearing on Friday -

http://www.wftv.com/video/21316541/index.html

Just fast forward to 16:48 and watch for a minute or two.

I tried to read AL's lips at the 17:18 point and I think she says Oh My God (not positive).

I rewound a few times to see if I could see Cindy's reaction. It does look like it made her sit up straight. Someone who was there said George pulled her back.

to me it looks like she said: OH FOR GOD's SAKE.

lovely response.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[MiamiNice1]

"All of the sudden'

Another slip of hers?

If Cindy is to be believed {lol} Zanny's been around for a long time and she had contact information for her.

How is it even possible that Casey 'all of the sudden' made Zanny up? If she was made up, she was made up A LONG TIME AGO.
Yes, another slip. "all of the sudden..."

You have a good memory, msgator - so how many invisible people (LDB mentioned about 6-7 of them to Cindy, asking her if D.Casey had found anything on them yet :laugh:) has Casey listed??

[Lexi]

I am sure this has already been addressed and possibly answered, but why is Judge Strickland giving them so much time? If they have the info, produce it now!!

Daffodil.....I wish I had your answer. If Baez and team already have proof, why the heck isn't Casey out of jail right now?? They really shouldn't have that much time, but I guess the judge was feeling generous? February 1st is plenty of time to "invent" a person of suspicion I guess!!!

[msgatorslayer]

The quote of the show and bears repeating!

"She came into that coutroom like a doberman on a lunge line. She was rabid and it was like, here. we. go." ~ Thank you, Mr. Morgan!

(and thanks for the replay, msgatorslayer!)

Oh, it was such a good line. Love, love, love, some John Morgan!!! It's even better cause we know, know, know, that the Anthony's cannot stand him.

He needs a new commercial with this line tossed in there. :thumbsup:

Maybe a billboard in Orlando with the same facial expressions he uses in this clip.

[MiamiNice1]

Oh, it was such a good line. Love, love, love, some John Morgan!!! It's even better cause we know, know, know, that the Anthony's cannot stand him.

He needs a new commercial with this line tossed in there. :thumbsup:

Maybe a billboard in Orlando with the same facial expressions he uses in this clip.
LOL - it would HAUNT Cindy!!

His Billboards are ALL over the place! I saw them in Ft. Meyers, Naples and even on the East Coast of Florida, over by West Palm Beach on I-95!

[Pruddennce]

I don't know if I will ever get through part 2 of Cindy's interview. Besides it being long, my house becomes grand central station every time I open the link.

I am up to the Universal ID. It clearly has "Chris" on the id, yet Cindy said it was Casey. She said it was common for the employees to switch IDs. (page 161 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html )

Anyone else buying this story?

I wonder if any employees named "Chris" had to get a new ID tag because his/her's was "lost".

Im glad you bought that up......classic Casey and her sticky fingers. IMO, she STOLE IT. goes hand in hand with Cindy BRAGGING how they were just at Universal (disney something or another) and Casey got them in FREE IIRC.) however, as we all know it was almost 2 years that Casey had not worked there....and Cindy was talking about an outing in the last year IIRC.

Cindy doesnt get it...YET....every lie she tells to 'make Casey look good', gets derailed by FACTS which proves she is lying....makes an excuse for Casey having someone else's ID?.....which is probably the ID she blamed LE taking that nite, (which they didnt)....which she said oops I found it in MY BEDROOM IN A DRAWER *geez I dont remember putting it there*...and then admitted that she gave it to Baez.....

does LE have that ID now? and what of the ID in her wallet that was taken by LE that nite?

noteworthy: during GA's interview with LE he stated he told Cindy they had to give LE information, cant withhold things, OR THEY WILL NEED A LAWYER SOON.

again, information indicates Cindy deliberately withheld information from LE. the ID being the latest tidbit.

wow.



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[msgatorslayer]

LOL - it would HAUNT Cindy!!

His Billboards are ALL over the place! I saw them in Ft. Meyers, Naples and even on the East Coast of Florida, over by West Palm Beach on I-95!

Yeah, he's on the cover of my phone book. On the home page of some of my news stations from time to time. A billboard as soon as I drive out of my subdivision. He's all over the place!!! Has offices in Tampa.

That is why it has always cracked me up that Team Anthony says he's trying to get publicity by representing ZFG. He has the biggest law firm in Florida, and expanding.

When it was first revealed that this ZFG was suing Casey, I did not pay any attention to the name of her attorney.

It was until Morgan appeared with her on a morning show to announce the lawsuit that, I was in another room, and heard THAT VOICE, I was like, OMG, I know who that is!!:w00t:

[Pruddennce]

The shortened "Chris" is a unisex name.....wonder if THAT is how Casey got the family in for Halloween Horror Night at Universal that Cindy kept using as her excuse to believe Casey was still employed? :sneaky:

right! thank you Miami....I just posted about that and couldnt remember the event. of course it was on the stolen ID for sure.

devil in the details......Cindy loves details..so does the state. another misfire for Cindy. BRAG BRAG BRAG and exonerating herself from *gasp* any thoughts that Casey might not be working....see, we got in for free, therefore she had a job!

ohhhhhhhhhhhh the lies....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[msgatorslayer]

Cindy doesnt get it...YET....every lie she tells to 'make Casey look good', gets derailed by FACTS which proves she is lying ....makes an excuse for Casey having someone else's ID?.....which is probably the ID she blamed LE taking that nite, (which they didnt)....which she said oops I found it in MY BEDROOM IN A DRAWER *geez I dont remember putting it there*...and then admitted that she gave it to Baez.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[I][COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"]*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

SNIPPED and BBM.

I don't think she cares, Pru. None of them seem to. Cindy decided to defend everything and the others followed her lead.

She is he11 bent on things being 'her way'. Doesn't matter what the FACTS show. She's trying to re-write the story to fit her family image.

That image doesn't include murder in the family.

It's the wrong approach. IMO, she's toxic to Casey's case.

[velvetbrown]

In some ways I don't think KC minds jail at all. Free room, free food, snacks of her choosing, no responsibilities, no Caylee, no one to compete with for attention. 'Someone' is always looking at / paying attention to her, she's away from Cindy and not in her control; yet still the focus of all Cindy's attention. Annoying / embarrassing Cindy & family... a lot is going her way with very little effort...JMO

[velvetbrown]

I'm so glad to be reading all your posts so I can catch all these little things when I listen to Cindy's depos.

I plan to take an Ativan tomorrow so I can slog through them without puncturing my chest with a fork. :closedeyes:

ROTFLMAO :rolling:

[msgatorslayer]

I'm sure a lot of people lost things while Casey worked there. :rolleyes:

Alot of people she knew, period.

Got some change laying on your coffee table? Not anymore!...

May I use your bathroom?...

I'm going to change in your room!....

Better lock up your purse when I'm around....

Can I see what you bought at the mall? I really like that shirt....

[Pruddennce]

SNIPPED and BBM.

I don't think she cares, Pru. None of them seem to. Cindy decided to defend everything and the others followed her lead.

She is he11 bent on things being 'her way'. Doesn't matter what the FACTS show. She's trying to re-write the story to fit her family image.

That image doesn't include murder in the family.

It's the wrong approach. IMO, she's toxic to Casey's case.

she sure is toxic msgatorslayer......defense should ask her a couple of questions and release her. its going to be NASTY....IMO

I am still wide-eyed reading GA's statement that he doesnt think caylee is dead....he wants to read the reports about DNA.....and I enjoyed how the state said: YOUR ATTORNEY CAN GET IT...ITS PUBLIC RECORD.

what a buffoon.....

and then his mini advertisement about MISSING CHILDREN....unbelievable...

he's a scammer. would love to know what wife #1 has to say about him.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[summer4meplz]

They're reportedly on a cruise at the moment. I hope they have a wonderful time in their alternate reality. :mad:

this wouldn't be the cruise that they were going to be guest speakers for some kind of missing children foundation would it?

[Pruddennce]

whats everyone's take on Strickland engaging CONWAY in the courtroom.....WHY????????????????????????????????? ????????????

I sure did appreciate the State saying ummmmmm no, this isnt about THE FAMILY.....but why was Strickland asking CONWAY about the Anthonys.....IMO, he's off base. and Im also not appreciating his leeway, until february 1st to bring in exonerating evidence. why not next month?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[msgatorslayer]

I'm right about the same page with you, Des. It is slow slogging through all that carp.

I know I'm going to hit paydirt eventually... but I'm so freaking bored in the meantime that I might just miss it. :sneaky:

I did alot of skimming, trying to get to the beefy portions, so I missed some interesting things that others have mentioned. Patience is not one of my finer points, lol. The Anthony's make that even harder that it is.

My favorite part of the depos comes from George though. He is nailed good about the duct tape and gas cans. And those items are important to the case against Casey. Chalk one up for the state!!:thumbsup:

[msgatorslayer]

Oh yeah, I so agree! Staying at the Mariott (sp?) and different places where it would have to be on expense account with no worry about the cost of rooms, meals etc. I'll bet George was so proud that Casey had a great job like this one. (Especially considering his career... or lack thereof.)

Stealing change from Caylee's piggy but getting an all expense paid hotel for work purposes. Right!!! And I'm selling mountain front property, in Florida.

[MiamiNice1]

right! thank you Miami....I just posted about that and couldnt remember the event. of course it was on the stolen ID for sure.

devil in the details......Cindy loves details..so does the state. another misfire for Cindy. BRAG BRAG BRAG and exonerating herself from *gasp* any thoughts that Casey might not be working....see, we got in for free, therefore she had a job!

ohhhhhhhhhhhh the lies....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

You said it so perfectly - that "every lie Cindy tells to prove Casey is telling the truth gets derailed by FACTS and proves Casey lied."

[MiamiNice1]

I'm sure a lot of people lost things while Casey worked there. :rolleyes:
:lol: So TRUE! And ROFL about "puncturing yourself with a fork" :laugh:

Actually, I found Cindy's depos easier to get through than George's!

[msgatorslayer]

she sure is toxic msgatorslayer......defense should ask her a couple of questions and release her. its going to be NASTY....IMO

I am still wide-eyed reading GA's statement that he doesnt think caylee is dead....he wants to read the reports about DNA.....and I enjoyed how the state said: YOUR ATTORNEY CAN GET IT...ITS PUBLIC RECORD.


what a buffoon.....

and then his mini advertisement about MISSING CHILDREN....unbelievable...

he's a scammer. would love to know what wife #1 has to say about him.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I love how he doesn't know anything. Hasn't read discovery. Doesn't watch TV. Just doesn't know. What a liar!!!

He and his attorney are to cheap to pay for Discovery material. The Anthony's sit at home and read it from WFTV or WESH, just like us FLB's. I bet ya!!!

[MiamiNice1]

Thanks for the complete quote, MN. Changing my sig line now. :laugh:
PRICELESS!! :laugh:

[MiamiNice1]

She LIES like a snake. She doesn't still trust Casey and I'll bet it's been many years since she actually did. It's all about saving face with Cindy Anthony. To admit that her daughter was a liar or a thief or mostly a MURDERER is to admit that she wasn't the perfect mother in the perfect family.

IMO she will never admit that there were any problems within that family.
I agree - never, never, never. Never in a million years.

[MiamiNice1]

she sure is toxic msgatorslayer......defense should ask her a couple of questions and release her. its going to be NASTY....IMO

I am still wide-eyed reading GA's statement that he doesnt think caylee is dead....he wants to read the reports about DNA.....and I enjoyed how the state said: YOUR ATTORNEY CAN GET IT...ITS PUBLIC RECORD.

what a buffoon.....

and then his mini advertisement about MISSING CHILDREN....unbelievable...

he's a scammer. would love to know what wife #1 has to say about him.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

BBM - Yeah, he doesn't believe Caylee is dead - YET - in the 48 Hour Show, done around the same time as the depos, he says he "can feel Caylee's spirit with him...."

eta - oooh - yeah....I'd love to hear what wife#1 would have to say, too!!! :drool:

[MiamiNice1]

I did alot of skimming, trying to get to the beefy portions, so I missed some interesting things that others have mentioned. Patience is not one of my finer points, lol. The Anthony's make that even harder that it is.

My favorite part of the depos comes from George though. He is nailed good about the duct tape and gas cans. And those items are important to the case against Casey. Chalk one up for the state!!:thumbsup:

Did you read in Cindy's Depo how she says that they used duct tape at the command center to hang things/pictures up, etc?? I wonder if that is what tipped Kathy Belich off about looking for the posters hung with the duct tape?

[msgatorslayer]

Did you read in Cindy's Depo how she says that they used duct tape at the command center to hang things/pictures up, etc?? I wonder if that is what tipped Kathy Belich off about looking for the posters hung with the duct tape?

Yes, I did read that.

Would Kathi have had access to these depos at that time, though? Or did 'someone' leak the info to her?

[Dovey]

And another thing.........I haven't been able to get to the boards till tonight........did see 48 hours last night................Cindy is babysitting a child?????????????? What is wrong with that child's parents?? How much more bizarre can it get?

And when LKB said there was dna that was not able to be identified, was that correct? I know one was from the FBI person. Was there another dna that could not be identified? If so, maybe it was the person who last used the duct tape before Casey.

My opinion is the DNA test is not identified as either male or female. The Amelogenin locus determines sex. Therefore it cannot be tested for a conclusion.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/oct2000/shewale.htm

[msgatorslayer]

BBM - Yeah, he doesn't believe Caylee is dead - YET - in the 48 Hour Show, done around the same time as the depos, he says he "can feel Caylee's spirit with him...."

eta - oooh - yeah....I'd love to hear what wife#1 would have to say, too!!! :drool:

FGS, they had a slob fest memorial and they're wearing cremation bling for SOMEONE!!

It becomes harder and harder to find words to describe them.

[Dovey]

After reading all the Anthony's depo's, I conclude Jessie will be thrown under the bus.
The retraction by Cindy of George changing the locks just had me shaking my head in disbelief.
Jessie had a key to the house, Jessie could have given it to Zanny,
so Jessie is Zanny the Nanny, Cindy?

[MiamiNice1]

Yes, I did read that.

Would Kathi have had access to these depos at that time, though? Or did 'someone' leak the info to her?
I wondered if it had been leaked after I read Cindy's comments!

Cindy seemed quite "open" about many aspects of the questioning (I can't believe I just said that! lol!) as opposed to George, who was evasive and kept trying to put the responsibility on Cindy. Bizarre.

[msgatorslayer]

After reading all the Anthony's depo's, I conclude Jessie will be thrown under the bus.
The retraction by Cindy of George changing the locks just had me shaking my head in disbelief.
Jessie had a key to the house, Jessie could have given it to Zanny,
so Jessie is Zanny the Nanny, Cindy?

Everyone knows the original Zanny story given to LE will not fly. It's impossible to use that story and not get convicted.

So they've flipped it!! Casey was giving clues to who the real kidnapper was so they could all play detective with their bat phones to put the puzzle together.

That's equally as stupid. IMO

Now it seems like the defense team may go with a 'stranger' did it. Remains to be seen how this story will develop. Will it be a good one? Highly unlikely.

[MiamiNice1]

List of the Invisibles - are there more that I missed?:

Juliet Lewis
Jeffrey Hopkins
Zachary Hopkins
Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales
2 Children belonging to ZFG
Samantha Fernandez (ZFG's sister)
Gloria (ZFG's mother)
Raquel Ferrer
Tom (Casey's boss at Universal - forgot his last name)

[msgatorslayer]

Something I'd like input on. Maybe I skimmed to much and missed it.

George is shown pictures of the freezer out in the garage. With different items on top of it. He insists that those items don't belong there. Why? Why is he being asked about this and why is he saying somesings wrong.

He's also asked about who it is, in the family, that likes popsicles. He says they all do. Again, what is the state getting at?

[msgatorslayer]

List of the Invisibles - are there more that I missed?:

Juliet Lewis
Jeffrey Hopkins
Zachary Hopkins
Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales
2 Children belonging to ZFG
Samantha Fernandez (ZFG's sister)
Gloria (ZFG's mother)
Raquel Ferrer
Tom (Casey's boss at Universal - forgot his last name)

Those names are all missing from the list of peeps Team Anthony were trying to track down. :lol:

ETA - Except the Zanny, of course.

[AlohaRainbow]

:seeya:

It just blows my mind that whatever poured out of Casey's mouth they believed...or should I say, they claim to have believed.

They are either blinded by Casey's line of carp or they looked the other way because they didn't want to be bothered.

jmo
imo, it's because they didn't want to "irritate" her (as per george's depo) :cursing:

[KatieLady]

Something I'd like input on. Maybe I skimmed to much and missed it.

George is shown pictures of the freezer out in the garage. With different items on top of it. He insists that those items don't belong there. Why? Why is he being asked about this and why is he saying somesings wrong.

He's also asked about who it is, in the family, that likes popsicles. He says they all do. Again, what is the state getting at?

Wasn't the matching laundry hamper that Caylee was in found in the garage somewhere??? Maybe on the freezer?

And IIRC Tony told LE that Casey has popsicles in the grocery bag when he picked him up from Amscott....not sure why that is important tho.

[msgatorslayer]

I wondered if it had been leaked after I read Cindy's comments!

Cindy seemed quite "open" about many aspects of the questioning (I can't believe I just said that! lol!) as opposed to George, who was evasive and kept trying to put the responsibility on Cindy. Bizarre.

I think Cindy's simply a better liar than George.

[MiamiNice1]

Something I'd like input on. Maybe I skimmed to much and missed it.

George is shown pictures of the freezer out in the garage. With different items on top of it. He insists that those items don't belong there. Why? Why is he being asked about this and why is he saying somesings wrong.

He's also asked about who it is, in the family, that likes popsicles. He says they all do. Again, what is the state getting at?
I remember that he did say Caylee liked the popsicles, too. I think George was just rambling about what they keep in that freezer. I don't think it was the State that initiated that line of questioning. I think.

I can't remember about the things on top of the freezer....I remember Cindy saying that LE ransacked the place.

[msgatorslayer]

Wasn't the matching laundry hamper that Caylee was in found in the garage somewhere??? Maybe on the freezer?

And IIRC Tony told LE that Casey has popsicles in the grocery bag when he picked him up from Amscott....not sure why that is important tho.

I don't remember the details. They asked alot of questions about the garage. The ball thing that was bought at a garage sale for Caylee. The trash bags, the hamper.

You're probably right. Items that are tied to the remains are what George is trying to explain away.

Yes, Casey had some popsicles when TonE picked her up.

George was asked what types of food they store in the freezer.

Maybe they are trying to connect Casey, to the freezer getting the pops, and taking the laundry hamper thing at the SAME TIME??

[shelkobe]

Butting in here as I finished reading Lee's depo. this evening, but was anyone else surprised when Lee claimed that Amy was a heroin addict? That one threw me for a loop. He also said that she was not actually Casey's friend. I guess he missed the copies of the text messages to show how often the girls communicated.

[msgatorslayer]

Butting in here as I finished reading Lee's depo. this evening, but was anyone else surprised when Lee claimed that Amy was a heroin addict? That one threw me for a loop. He also said that she was not actually Casey's friend. I guess he missed the copies of the text messages to show how often the girls communicated.

Yeah, that was rather shocking.

Even IF she was, she had alot more going for her than Casey, lmao.

Including money in the bank for Casey to steal.:mad: And she's not sitting in jail.

Lee, or George, or both, heck, I can't remember. Have some drug ring idea going on about Fusions and the guys, too.

If anyone is smoking crack......:blush:

[shelkobe]

Yeah, that was rather shocking.

Even IF she was, she had alot more going for her than Casey, lmao.

Including money in the bank for Casey to steal.:mad: And she's not sitting in jail.

Lee, or George, or both, heck, I can't remember. Have some drug ring idea going on about Fusions and the guys, too.

If anyone is smoking crack......:blush:
I watch the TV show Intervention and I've never seen a heroin addict hold down two jobs like Amy does :rolleyes: I think Lee is so off the mark when it comes to Casey's "new" male and female friends, among other things.

[MiamiNice1]

Butting in here as I finished reading Lee's depo. this evening, but was anyone else surprised when Lee claimed that Amy was a heroin addict? That one threw me for a loop. He also said that she was not actually Casey's friend. I guess he missed the copies of the text messages to show how often the girls communicated.
I'm getting up the energy to read Lee's depo tomorrow.

I can't imagine that Amy, who was a hard worker and had money saved - could be a heroin addict. Doesn't even compute - but then again, it's LEE saying this! :rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

I watch the TV show Intervention and I've never seen a heroin addict hold down two jobs like Amy does :rolleyes: I think Lee is so off the mark when it comes to Casey's "new" male and female friends, among other things.

Yeah, it's total BS.

But they have to get revenge on Amy in some manner. After all, it's her fault Casey's facing check charges.:rolleyes:

ETA- Wow, it's realllly late. I'm off to bed. Gonna go snuggle with my Doberman who, unlike Cindy, isn't rabid.

[shelkobe]

I'm getting up the energy to read Lee's depo tomorrow.

I can't imagine that Amy, who was a hard worker and had money saved - could be a heroin addict. Doesn't even compute - but then again, it's LEE saying this! :rolleyes:
There are definitely several interesting parts. The dynamic in that family is like nothing I've ever seen. In some ways it seems like Lee really keeps his distance from the family, but yet he has this strong sense of blind (and deaf and dumb) loyalty to them.

[MiamiNice1]

Nite, all! I'm heading out, too! :seeya:

[shelkobe]

Good night!

[Lexi]

Night everyone!

I hope we can continue this conversation at some point tomorrow.

I am getting sleepy, although I do want to point out that Cindy and George are only willing to accept theories who feel that Casey is innocent and who feel that Caylee might still be around (I guess playing on the sand in Puerto Rico)??????

[Irestmycase]

Could anyone tell me just what Casey had to say to LE or anyone in her family, after LE took her to Sawgrass apartments to see where Zanny lived and where Casey supposedly dropped her off when she babysat Caylee? I mean what was her explanation when they told her no one had
lived there for months? How did she try to get around that? Or what did Cindy say to that big lie Casey claimed to be true? Didn't that alone send off some kind of signal to Cindy and George that it was all a big lie? I have never read or seen anything regarding this.

[MomofaMarine]

A new thread has been started for today 10/19.

[no1what]

George is not a good liar. Nothing that Ashton was asking him about the tape should have caused any confusion. George just wasn't wanting to answer the guestions that Ashton was asking.

....I can't wait to see what the impact is of the video footage that Kathi Belich uncovered, that shows the Henkel brand duct tape being used at one of George's command centers. (the tape on a Caylee is missing poster)


IMO Geoge will say he didn't put the tape on that poster because it wasn't done neatly.

One of the odd things about the interview with George IMO was this: If nothing seemed out of the ordinary then why couldn't he remember if he had cut grass between 6/24 and 8/1. IMO if you're like things neat, the car, the tape, the garage then why not the lawn too.

It seems George had a system for doing everything i.e. rotating tire etc.... so did he have a system for cutting the lawn?