Bibles to be burned in North Carolina?

[theal3]

What is going on with the Religious Right in the country....??

http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtkr-pastor-bible-burning,0,7909354.story

North Carolina pastor burning versions of the Bible he doesn't agree with

Lordy, religion and politics just don't mix. IMHO. The GOP is factious and now christian religions in America? Unbelievable.

Nothing surprises me anymore......

[theal3]

Nothing surprises me anymore either. Especially reading the remarks on this forum. Whew Doggie! ( rest in peace Jed Clampett) .

Who in their right mind would burn a bible? I'd be scared to death.

It just shocked me to read that: and the ministers remarks against Warren and Graham, and thought what is going on in the Southern states with all these tea parties, and town hall protests and such.... it's bewildering. Buring Bibles is something they do in ME countries, not the USA. It's nuts.

[CANDYKISSES]

It is totally irresponsible of you to insinuate that one pastor speaks for the "religious right" or the GOP. The man has a belief and is expressing it....he is a leader to his congregation and no more than that.
There are a lot of extreme religious beliefs out there - many not even Christians.

Goodness gracious, this could lead right to Reverend Wright's doorstep and those who listened but never heard for years IYKWIM. :rolleyes:
JMO

The extremists aren't limited to one area or one house of worship IIRC. :sneaky: JMO

[justaguy]

It is totally irresponsible of you to insinuate that one pastor speaks for the "religious right" or the GOP. The man has a belief and is expressing it....he is a leader to his congregation and no more than that.
There are a lot of extreme religious beliefs out there - many not even Christians.

yea sometimes people are just..out there ...so out there that noone claims them . he calls billy graham and rick warren heretics!

[justaguy]

the first sentence..from their own site: conservapedia

"Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations."

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project


am just posting this cuz it seems relevent to the basic idea of the thread...everyone wants to claim THEIR bible. plus i just think its interesting.


i have NO idea how many people support this..and am not posting it to make a grand claim about conservatives.

[LisaM22]

wow, Chistian's burning books in this day and age, who would of thought.....

[Dustee]

wow, Chistian's burning books in this day and age, who would of thought.....

I guess it's part of that whole "free speech" thing, like burning the flag.

[MercedesV]

It is interesting. There have been people who have studied for years the various interpretations of the Bible - especially translating from the original Hebrew and Greek - and we can see that some Bible translations do differ from each other in word and meaning.

My objection to this thread is that it seems to want to tie a particular pastors belief to the entire GOP and/or Conservatives. Any half attempt at looking into this will show there is no real connection between the two.
jmo

You are exaggerating there was no attempt to make it the entire GOP and/or conservatives. To say there is no connection is completely wrong in my opinion. This is an example of rw beliefs, and in many cases the rw, which comprises a large number in the GOP, want to make their interpretations of the Bible our secular law. Want to impose their interpretation of things on everyone. Many examples in recent years. Huckabee while running for office even wanted to change part of the Constitution to meet his beliefs.

Too many on the far right want to treat our secular nation like a theocracy which we most certainly aren't thank goodness. But some keep trying. People in Congress that are part of the C Street house make me very nervous with their ideology and wanting to imprint it on govt.

This pastor can do this if he chooses, he still lives in a land that allows it. Doesn't mean many will agree with him, and they are free to speak out. Me thinks if this pastor had his way he wouldn't allow others the freedom to read whatever Bible they wanted, or no Bible at all.

[Dustee]

You are exaggerating there was no attempt to make it the entire GOP and/or conservatives. <snipped>

really? The OP specifically mentioned the GOP.

[MercedesV]

really? The OP specifically mentioned the GOP.

Yes, but they didn't say the whole GOP, or suggest it was the whole GOP. Seems they said the GOP was fractious.

The rw is a large portion of the GOP today, and perhaps the loudest. Moderates are being pushed aside or out of the party. Or have to stand up to a ton of pressure to toe the line like Snowe.

[LisaM22]

I guess it's part of that whole "free speech" thing, like burning the flag.

well it's not illegal, nor should it be, but I would do neither

[Jayne]

Nothing surprises me anymore either. Especially reading the remarks on this forum. Whew Doggie! ( rest in peace Jed Clampett) .

Who in their right mind would burn a bible? I'd be scared to death.

ITA..who would burn a flag of the USA?

How many books were burned in the late 1920s and 1930s in Europe? So I'm not surprised, yet I'm shocked. And..very concerned.

jmo

J

[crocdog1]

It is totally irresponsible of you to insinuate that one pastor speaks for the "religious right" or the GOP. The man has a belief and is expressing it....he is a leader to his congregation and no more than that.
There are a lot of extreme religious beliefs out there - many not even Christians.

RE: [There are a lot of extreme religious beliefs out there - many not even Christians.]

You are certainly correct.

However, IMO, it is fair to say that the majority of the RW extreme religions reside in the base/core of the GOP.

These extreme Fundamental Protestants and Evangelicals seek to force their extreme faith based values, convictions and beliefs on the rest of us.

They consider their way to be the only way. If you do not believe them word-by-word, line-by-line and tenet-by-tenet, they consider you to be godless (refer to Elizabeth Dole) and an infidel.

They wrap themselves in the flag, yet they rejoice when The USA loses the Olympic Bid to a foreign country.

They carry the cross, yet they lie about their fellow man when they say Obama is a Nazi and not a Native Born American citizen.

Again they lie to the American People when they say Obama's Health Care Package is a death warrant for Seniors.

They carry the cross and moralize to us, yet they lie to, and cheat on, their spouses.


Just My Humble Opinion

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

It is totally irresponsible of you to insinuate that one pastor speaks for the "religious right" or the GOP. The man has a belief and is expressing it....he is a leader to his congregation and no more than that.
There are a lot of extreme religious beliefs out there - many not even Christians.

Quite says NOTHING about the GOP or cons but several on this thread would try to have us believe the article does.

Similar to me saying that Trinity United Church of Christ is indicative of all leftist churches and linkiing to some left church burning whatever.

[MaybytheBay]

wow, Chistian's burning books in this day and age, who would of thought.....


This self proclaimed pastor is not a Christian.
He is an ignorant adherent with fanaticle beliefs.
He is a Totalitarian.....

[Hey Paula]

What is going on with the Religious Right in the country....??

http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtkr-pastor-bible-burning,0,7909354.story

North Carolina pastor burning versions of the Bible he doesn't agree with

Lordy, religion and politics just don't mix. IMHO. The GOP is factious and now christian religions in America? Unbelievable.

Nothing surprises me anymore......

How do you identify him as part of the "Religious Right"? Maybe I'm part of the "Religious Right" too because I feel there is a mission to remove God from this Country.

Is Jeremiah Wright, former pastor of the Grace Baptist Church, part of the "Religious Right" too? Religion and politics don't mix when God is asked to damn America and that 9/11 is America's chickens coming home to roost and that America created AIDS to infect and kill the black race, etc, etc.

[MaybytheBay]

If he believes in Jesus he is a Christian, albeit not a very good imo one but you know that whole thing about judging not lest ye be judged thang. I'm just sayin'.


Equivocally one could define him as Christian because he obviously believes in his version of the Bible and God. Actually most liberal Christian denominations define anyone who believes themselves a Christian.....to be Christian.:huh:

[MaybytheBay]

Did you say something about "ignorant?" I read the entire article and I have yet to see any mention of the GOP so I'm sitting here trying to figure out the connection.


There is no connection to the GOP in this article.
But it is very familiar and expected to see liberals consign any religious activity that's extreme or fanatical to conservatives en masse. It's perpetuated propaganda.

[MaybytheBay]

Can you name some liberal Christian denominations specifically that do this? Links would be appreciated.

Personally, I just go by what the dictionary says.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Christian

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian
Pronunciation: \ˈkris-chən, ˈkrish-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin christianus, adjective & noun, from Greek christianos, from Christos
Date: 1526

1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ b (1) : disciple 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961


This is a simple overview of Christianity definitions.
Personally, I believe there is more delineation to a Christian then what merriam-webster defines....

http://www.answers.com/topic/christian

[Patriot]

(snip)

Lordy, religion and politics just don't mix. IMHO.






Evidently, the Founding Fathers didn't share your opinion:


"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this - that it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." - John Quincy Adams


"The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student's perusal of the sacred volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better husband." - Thomas Jefferson



"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests." - Andrew Jackson


"We have staked the future of American civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison



"He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world." - Benjamin Franklin



"It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ." - Patrick Henry



"Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed the conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson


"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor." - George Washington


"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited.... What a utopia, what a paradise would this region be." - John Adams



"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams




http://swampbubbles.com/bubble/quotes-from-our-founding-fathers-god-and-america

[Patriot]

(snip) If he believes in Jesus he is a Christian

Are you are Christian? If not, by what authority do you claim to know what defines a Christian?



You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.(James 2:19)



The word “Christian” is used three times in the New Testament (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16). Followers of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because their behavior, activity, and speech were like Christ. The word “Christian” literally means, “belonging to the party of Christ” or a “follower of Christ.”


http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-Christian.html#




A Christian is a person who has come to see themselves as God sees them. That is, as a sinner, a rebel against His authority - an enemy of God; lost, hopeless, unable to deliver themselves and standing justly condemned under God's righteous law; fully deserving the just punishment of hell.

http://www.vor.org/rbdisk/christian.htm




How do you become a Christian? First of all, you don't become a Christian by joining a church, adopting a creed, or by believing in God. There are lots of false churches, false creeds, and even the devil believes in God. Becoming a Christian means you need to understand what the real issues are.

http://www.carm.org/christianity/answers-seekers/how-do-i-become-christian#




Definition: A Christian is a follower of Christ; one who professes belief in Jesus as the Christ and follows his teachings.

http://christianity.about.com/od/glossary/g/christian.htm




Evidently, according to Christian Scripture and mainstream Christian beliefs, it takes a bit more than "believing in Jesus" to call oneself a Christian.

[LisaM22]

oh geeze, here we go again, the man is definitely a christian, he believes in Jesus and his bible, give me a break

sure would be a lot less Christians in the world if we did not count the sinners and such....

[Patriot]

Do any of those links come from the liberal churches May was talking about in her post?

Precisely why links are provided - to look at them, research and form your own opinion.

You didn't answer the question. Which was - are you are Christian? By what authority do you deem to know what constitutes a Christian?

Just asking because I'm always intrigued by non-believers with no in-depth study of Christianity who claim to know who is a Christian, that they are "acting Christian" or "not acting Christian", and/or what exactly "being a Christian" means. They aren't Christians, often have disdain for anything Christian, yet claim to make these judgements based on some knowledge they have, yet don't believe in. Interesting.

[momof6]

I always thought the main characteristic of someone who belongs to the Religious Right was that they were Evangelical Christians. b

You thought wrong. Haveing Jewish friends, I can tell you that there are groups of them that are on the far right.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is just one group that have the same ideas as Christian conservatives. The only difference is their religion.

[LisaM22]

Precisely why links are provided - to look at them, research and form your own opinion.

You didn't answer the question. Which was - are you are Christian? By what authority do you deem to know what constitutes a Christian?

Just asking because I'm always intrigued by non-believers with no in-depth study of Christianity who claim to know who is a Christian, that they are "acting Christian" or "not acting Christian", and/or what exactly "being a Christian" means. They aren't Christians, often have disdain for anything Christian, yet claim to make these judgements based on some knowledge they have, yet don't believe in. Interesting.

considering the bible says this about TRUE Christians, I guess all christians must be "acting Christian"

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2016:17-18&version=KJV

Mark 16:17-18 (King James Version)

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

how many of you have any of those signs? maybe this is why the right is against a public option.... they think they can heal the sick

[theal3]

I deliberately used the word "factious" in my original post, with an IMHO, with the link.....cause I'm against burning any book, let alone the Bible, and to read a religious man was burning Bibles, and saying neg. things about other respected Christian leaders, blue my mind. And it's well known the RW, are the base of the GOP.

It's the south, it's where the GOP won, in the states they did win in, last election cycle. My point was, what is happening in America?: one church or religion against another now? I guess they are fighting for "souls" to save. IMHO.

[LisaM22]

I deliberately used the word "factious" in my original post, with an IMHO, with the link.....cause I'm against burning any book, let alone the Bible, and to read a religious man was burning Bibles, and saying neg. things about other respected Christian leaders, blue my mind. And it's well known the RW, are the base of the GOP.

It's the south, it's where the GOP won, in the states they did win in, last election cycle. My point was, what is happening in America?: one church or religion against another now? I guess they are fighting for "souls" to save. IMHO.

which is exactly why we have separation of church and state, even Christians would not want the government dictating what version of Christianity they had to practice

[FurthurBB]

You did make me curious, Mom so I looked up both mission statements of the groups you think are similar.

http://ccm-us.org/mission_statement.htm

Conservative Christians Mission Statement

To hold elected government officials accountable to promote conservative Christian values in all of their legislative and judicial decisions.

Those values will include and not limited to:

Taking a stand against abortion.
Taking a stand against homosexual overt agendas.
Taking a stand against sex education outside of abstinence.
Taking a stand against the perverted view of separation of church and state, kicking God out of the Public school, government, community, and justice system.

We demand that our government officials consistently exhibit:

Integrity
Morality
Sincerity
Honesty
Service to the people, not themselves.

To this end CCM will evaluate and selectively support candidates for elected offices who share these values.

http://www.rjchq.org/About/missionstatement.aspx

Republican Jewish Coalition Mission Statement

We seek to foster and enhance ties between the American Jewish community and Republican decision makers. We work to sensitize Republican leadership in government and the party to the concerns and issues of the Jewish community, while articulating and advocating Republican ideas and policies within the Jewish community. We are committed to building a strong, effective and respected Jewish Republican voice in Washington and across the country.

Wow! That is a huge difference. IMO

[LisaM22]

I think that some people find this embarrassing to admit.

He's just not their kind of Christian.

I know, he is a Christian, a pastor at that, to deny that is ridiculous on their part

they believe Jesus had to die because of their sins, but then want to say Christians that sin are not really Christians

[LisaM22]

Right, all Christians are sinners and because Jesus died on the cross, all sinners can be forgiven, even as they take their last breath.

yeah, is a weird thought, god could not forgive humans unless his only son was killed by humans, then he would be ok with us humans

[crocdog1]

I know, he is a Christian, a pastor at that, to deny that is ridiculous on their part

they believe Jesus had to die because of their sins, but then want to say Christians that sin are not really Christians

They, that is to say, the Fundamental Protestants and the Evangelicals that make up the GOP, are the only TRUE FOLLOWERS OF CHRISTIANITY. [CAPS/emphasis]

The rest of us Christians, in their eyes, are godless (refer to Elizabeth Dole) and infidels.

It goes without saying that this goes for all who do not believe their interpretation of Scripture: word-by-word, line-by-line, and tenet by tenet.

In order to be a true follower, you must believe 100% in their faith based social and religious values, beliefs and convictions.

Just My Humble Opinion

[crocdog1]

The American Way is really quite simple to the Extreme Right Wingers.

If the Constitution is not in line with their concept of what is right and wrong, then simply do not abide by it or, as in the case of TORTURE, just break the promise of the United States to FOLLOW the rules of the GENEVA CONVENTION.

Same goes with morals, ethics, commandments and laws of THE BIBLE.

If it does not agree with the ethics and morals of the Extreme Right Wingers (examples: sexual morals for the GOP; bearing false witness against your fellow man; or lying to the American People) then just BURN THE BIBLE.

Just My Humble Opinion

[snookums1]

Pastor Marc Grizzard of the Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton is building a bonfire on Halloween to destroy Bibles that aren't the King James Version.
"What we're doing is we're burning books that are satanic.
http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtkr-pastor-bible-burning,0,7909354.story


Gee, I hope he keeps warm by his fire. While I don't agree with what he is doing, we live in a free country where everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Even bizarre ones.

[snookums1]

But then, he is willing to keep one version, unlike ultra conservatives who want to re-write the entire Bible because it is too liberal.


Utra-Conservatives Want to Rewrite the Bible
http://local.wnep.com/talkback/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3775&start=0

[Lady_Jean_La]

Nothing like a good book burning to get some attention. Always good at Halloween! imo

But is it political?

[snookums1]

Nothing like a good book burning to get some attention. Always good at Halloween! imo

But is it political?Since they are doing it because they view the Bible as too liberal and because they want more say in our government, the answer is yes.

[Susan43]

I don't know how anyone can think the bible is too liberal.......

except the idea of love thy neighbor.....

everything is an abomination.....slavery is fine......revolution is a sin.

I mean if you don't agree that is fine, but the bible doesn't seem overly liberal. LOL

I prefer the Jefferson Bible....as opposed to the others. I think the others are too right wing....but not going to burn them. LOL

Have a Bible handy? Just check out MT 19:21 & MT 25:44-45

This is not the conservative POV.

[EMAA]

Pure ignorance is my opinion. Folks have always tried to get rid of the Bible with no success.

[LisaM22]

Pure ignorance is my opinion. Folks have always tried to get rid of the Bible with no success.

people tried to get rid of Harry Potter with no success too, I think it was fanatical Christians doing the burning then too, to be honest, not sure I have ever heard of anyone else burning books other then fanatical Christians

[Lynden1000]

The various KJV-only sects have been around for ages. They're nothing new. They don't believe the "bible" is liberal per se; rather, they believe the KJV is the only accurate translation and that all others have been watered down to make them more patable to modern sensibilities.

Not being Christian, it's of no personal consequence to me; and as long as they're not interfering with my rights, I totally support their right to say what they believe and to burn translations they don't agree with (although there's probably some sort of local ordinance against bonfires. There's always something that you can use to stop anyone from doing anything)

[LisaM22]

The various KJV-only sects have been around for ages. They're nothing new. They don't believe the "bible" is liberal per se; rather, they believe the KJV is the only accurate translation and that all others have been watered down to make them more patable to modern sensibilities.

Not being Christian, it's of no personal consequence to me; and as long as they're not interfering with my rights, I totally support their right to say what they believe and to burn translations they don't agree with (although there's probably some sort of local ordinance against bonfires. There's always something that you can use to stop anyone from doing anything)

isn't the KJV the only version without a copyright owner?

[EMAA]

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version#Copyright_status

Obviously, this burning of books is symbolic; they do not intend to burn all non-KJV versions, although they may think that this might spark a "revival".

I think that, overall, this intent to burn books shows an overall desire to try to destroy a perceived evil. The same fanaticism that we see in radical Islamic terrorist groups It looks like an authoritarian top-down approach to a situation instead of a grassroots, bottom-up approach.

I think it shows panic and that it's a drastic act, especially in civilized democratic countries. If these people can't convince the public from the grassroots up, then they will try to control them (or portray that control) from the top down.

I'm rather certain that it does not impress the public (at least not in a positive way) except for the followers of this pastor and others like-minded persons.

I think this is the reason as well. I prefer the NKJV myself, however even in that one I have chosen to personalize it, where it reads you, and yours, I have penciled in 'me & mine'. I love my Bible and I've had it forever. I had my Old KJV stolen right out of my car. While my heart was broken, I felt that whomever stole it must have had a good reason to do so. I gave it up without malice, especially knowing that "His Word will not return unto him void".

[crocdog1]

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version#Copyright_status

Obviously, this burning of books is symbolic; they do not intend to burn all non-KJV versions, although they may think that this might spark a "revival".

I think that, overall, this intent to burn books shows an overall desire to try to destroy a perceived evil. The same fanaticism that we see in radical Islamic terrorist groups It looks like an authoritarian top-down approach to a situation instead of a grassroots, bottom-up approach.

I think it shows panic and that it's a drastic act, especially in civilized democratic countries. If these people can't convince the public from the grassroots up, then they will try to control them (or portray that control) from the top down.

I'm rather certain that it does not impress the public (at least not in a positive way) except for the followers of this pastor and others like-minded persons.

RE[I think that, overall, this intent to burn books shows an overall desire to try to destroy a perceived evil. The same fanaticism that we see in radical Islamic terrorist groups It looks like an authoritarian top-down approach to a situation instead of a grassroots, bottom-up approach.]

Yes, this is what people do when they want to change anything to fit their own agenda.

For instance, if the person who has been elected POTUS by the majority of the American People, is not the one you wanted, then lie by saying he is not a native born American citizen. This way you circumvent the Constitution to fit your particular agenda.

Same goes with THE BIBLE. Barack Obama has accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior. Therefore, he is a Christian. Those that keep saying he is not, should go ahead and burn THE BIBLE because they keep breaking the Commandments of it when say he is isn't.

Just My Humble Opinion

[LisaM22]

lol, too funny, they did every thing as planned at their book burning ceremony... uh, except burn the books, a book burning with no books burning ;) I can just see them with their staples shredder trying to shred books, wonder how long it took them to give up and say it was completed as planned, I would guess they never even finished the first book - lol, of course they did mention scissors and tearing, they must of really been upset when the shredder over heated... like their god had forsaken them... how embarrassing

[EMAA]

Hubby and I went to a church once, where the sermon started out ok, but about half way through it, completely off subject, they pointed at my husband and made a remarkable claim about not getting into heaven with a beard. Hubby slamed his Bible shut, and with that we got up and walked out. Needless to say we didn't go back. LOL

Principle or preference. IMO anyone who burns Bibles or any other book is bordering on stupid.

[LisaM22]

a wood chipper, think you just gave them next years idea - lol, course they should probably change the name from the book burning event to the book in the wood chipper event, maybe they could even paint the wood chipper red with a flame logo or something - lol

[EMAA]

WOW!! Seems like JC and his disciples had beards. :confused:

Oh, I hope it wa sa "KJV" Bible that hubby slammed shut! :rolleyes:

Yes, I do believe tho' I've not seen it in person, he did have a beard.

And.........as a matter of fact it was a NIV/KJV parallel. :ohmy:

[GossipGirl]

Every religion has it's zealots I suppose.
In this case I think there's a correlation to our new Democratic government and the Sarah Palin factor.
Conservatism is alive and well, but starting to sputter a bit. I predict it will die out a lot more in the next 25 years or so.
I also predict we will become atheistic.
We are a very young nation.

GG

[crocdog1]

Every religion has it's zealots I suppose.
In this case I think there's a correlation to our new Democratic government and the Sarah Palin factor.
Conservatism is alive and well, but starting to sputter a bit. I predict it will die out a lot more in the next 25 years or so.
I also predict we will become atheistic.
We are a very young nation.

GG

RE: [Conservatism is alive and well, but starting to sputter a bit.]

IMO, radical extreme Right Wing Conservatism is, just now, (with the election of Obama) coming out of the shadows of the GOP.

They use to stay in the background, but are now attempting to take over the Republican Party.

They are small in numbers (about 25-30 millions or so), but they are extremely well organized, have plenty of money and are very vocal.

IMO, they are doing a pretty good job of forcing their Religious and faith based social values on the American People.

[just4justice]

[QUOTE=crocdog1;13658993]RE: [Conservatism is alive and well, but starting to sputter a bit.]

IMO, radical extreme Right Wing Conservatism is, just now, (with the election of Obama) coming out of the shadows of the GOP.

They use to stay in the background, but are now attempting to take over the Republican Party.

They are small in numbers (about 25-30 millions or so), but they are extremely well organized, have plenty of money and are very vocal.

IMO, they are doing a pretty good job of forcing their Religious and faith based social values on the American People.[/QUOTE

If they succeed, I shudder to think of what the country would be like run by the Limbaughs, Gingriches and Palins. They can't manage their personal lives let alone manage the entire U.S. :scared: