10/14 thru 10/21

[AmndaRcknwth]

I studied all the pictures I could find of Chris and of Jason, their families.
Outside looking in, it is totally normal. Stuff you see on thousands of MySpace and Facebook.

I get how some people can say they'd never do this...
or that since Jason had the worst criminal record he must have been the worse brother, the instigator.

I get how LE messes up sometimes.

But in a mass murder like this one, a massacre with butchered children, I have no defense for either brother and just hope to hell the pros is finding every detail, and doing it correctly.


One more thing... about Tabitha.
The description of her "lighting up" means nothing other than SHE REACTED.
In a coma, there is no ability to point the finger at someone, guilty or not guilty. When the level of propophyl is lowered the patient has a higher sense of consciousness but is not ever "awake".
In induced coma, the hospital staff will lower the coma level to see if the patient follows commands... "squeeze my hand" "lift your foot" and so on.

In a coma, a patient will possibly react to a voice, a touch, a noise, but mostly they are reacting to pain.

[desmom]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

Gert, I am sorry. This has to be very hard for you. I do not think anyone condemns Chris for his place of employment or that he is going to college. Jobs are scarce and when you are enrolled in college, you take what you can get.

Chris may not have been actually involved in the murders. Someone correct me if I am wrong: if he was there at the time, he can be charged with the same charges as the actual murderer.

We have no information about what type of evidence the State has in this case. I am still leaning toward the Harris brothers went to the house, some type of argument happened and it escalated. I do not believe this was pre-planned, but something that happened during the heat of the moment.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

out Good Morning All! :seeya:

Gert, I am sorry. This has to be very hard for you. I do not think anyone condemns Chris for his place of employment or that he is going to college. Jobs are scarce and when you are enrolled in college, you take what you can get.

Chris may not have been actually involved in the murders. Someone correct me if I am wrong: if he was there at the time, he can be charged with the same charges as the actual murderer.

We have no information about what type of evidence the State has in this case. I am still leaning toward the Harris brothers went to the house, some type of argument happened and it escalated. I do not believe this was pre-planned, but something that happened during the heat of the moment.

jmo

Morning All!

Since Chris was charged with these murders first and he has been charged with 5 first degree murders I am not so sure there wasn't an intent to kill even before they arrived at the Gee home. Even if we take into consideration that an argument ensued and Rick was in the middle of it (crime of passion-2nd Degree) and was killed that still leaves 5 other victims. So premeditation had to be formed in order for them to kill all the other victims in the household and attempt to murder Tabitha.

All a defendant has to do is have time to form the intent and then carry that intent.

I still cannot understand why Chris or Jason would even come to the Gee home together, especially late at night if the time is around midnight or a little after when these murders happened.

imo

[EasyDoesIt]

Just found these boards, and thank whoever started it! I had been reading on the Pantagraph, and was actually a bit disgusted by the things posted there. I cannot possibly read back to the beginning, so please excuse in advance if I am repeating anything said or resolved.

I think Chris/Jason could be charged with first degree murder if they went to commit another felony at the time, which may be the only exception to a "premeditation." It is interesting they went together, which is one of the reasons I won't discount that drugs were involved. Although the drug history for Rick Gee is old, it does not mean he was not still using, just that he hadn't been caught. I had a speeding ticket 20 years ago and not one since...but I still have sped, plenty of times.

Gert, I commend you for sticking up for your beliefs; that being said, I cannot imagine these charges being placed on Chris if law enforcement could not link him to the crime in some, rather many, ways. I can't recall who said it, but you can't tell about a person just by looking at them or by past history. People snap. People under the influence especially. I feel for you and all those who know Chris. It must be devastating to think that someone you are familiar with could commit such a horrible crime.

Are we sure Tabitha is still in a coma? I have not seen any updated medical information released, and with her now being placed in DCFS custody I am certain that information would not be given to Nicole. She was not the legal guardian and has no right by law to know. With law enforcement being so tight lipped (extremely professional) I would be very surprised if this information would be given to Nicole, especially if they suspect she knew anything about the crime.

Again, thanks to all the posters for the thought provoking comments and insights.

[IlliniFan]

I wasn't aware that Tabitha was in an induced coma at this point. I know the doctors do this for a reason. I just hope her head injuries will not leave her with permanent damage. How anyone could hurt a baby girl like that is beyond me. What a tragedy.


I don't think anyone on this board has said a negative word regarding working at Steak and Shake or that Chris was going to school. ???


GentleBreeze or anyone. The PH, is it secretive like a Grand Jury? Sorry being lazy again, besides most of you are so much more well versed in this type of thing.

[GentleBreeze]

I wasn't aware that Tabitha was in an induced coma at this point. I know the doctors do this for a reason. I just hope her head injuries will not leave her with permanent damage. How anyone could hurt a baby girl like that is beyond me. What a tragedy.


I don't think anyone on this board has said a negative word regarding working at Steak and Shake or that Chris was going to school. ???


GentleBreeze or anyone. The PH, is it secretive like a Grand Jury? Sorry being lazy again, besides most of you are so much more well versed in this type of thing.

No, Illini. A PH is done in an open courtroom and is open to the public. If the PH goes forward as expected, I am sure the media will report what was covered during the PH.

I doubt that the Judge will allow cameras in the courtroom but you may know more about that since you are from Illinois.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Just found these boards, and thank whoever started it! I had been reading on the Pantagraph, and was actually a bit disgusted by the things posted there. I cannot possibly read back to the beginning, so please excuse in advance if I am repeating anything said or resolved.

I think Chris/Jason could be charged with first degree murder if they went to commit another felony at the time, which may be the only exception to a "premeditation." It is interesting they went together, which is one of the reasons I won't discount that drugs were involved. Although the drug history for Rick Gee is old, it does not mean he was not still using, just that he hadn't been caught. I had a speeding ticket 20 years ago and not one since...but I still have sped, plenty of times.

Gert, I commend you for sticking up for your beliefs; that being said, I cannot imagine these charges being placed on Chris if law enforcement could not link him to the crime in some, rather many, ways. I can't recall who said it, but you can't tell about a person just by looking at them or by past history. People snap. People under the influence especially. I feel for you and all those who know Chris. It must be devastating to think that someone you are familiar with could commit such a horrible crime.

Are we sure Tabitha is still in a coma? I have not seen any updated medical information released, and with her now being placed in DCFS custody I am certain that information would not be given to Nicole. She was not the legal guardian and has no right by law to know. With law enforcement being so tight lipped (extremely professional) I would be very surprised if this information would be given to Nicole, especially if they suspect she knew anything about the crime.

Again, thanks to all the posters for the thought provoking comments and insights.

Welcome!

In order for a defendant to be charged with first degrree under the reason you state above is when the DA also adds those other felony charges to support the first degrees. Since neither defendant has been charged with additional felonies beyond the murders/attempted murder it is highly unlikely the defendants were in the commission of another felony when these crimes happened imo.

imo

[AmndaRcknwth]

I wasn't aware that Tabitha was in an induced coma at this point. I know the doctors do this for a reason. I just hope her head injuries will not leave her with permanent damage. How anyone could hurt a baby girl like that is beyond me. What a tragedy.


I don't think anyone on this board has said a negative word regarding working at Steak and Shake or that Chris was going to school. ???


GentleBreeze or anyone. The PH, is it secretive like a Grand Jury? Sorry being lazy again, besides most of you are so much more well versed in this type of thing.

I am actually not aware if Tabitha is in an induced coma for sure... just an assumption based on happygert's posts and what I know about head injuries and comas.

Nobody anywhere that I have read has said anything bad about any of the places the defendants worked (Caseys, Steak & Shake, etc) and the only thing I've seen on legit boards is questions about Nicole's employment. That is something I'd like to know too.

Why? Hmmm not just curiosity, but is there anything in her past dealings that could come into play? The connection Chris has to Rick/family is Nicole. That needs to be explored. With the tight-lipped investigation, they are not going to just tell us.

The Pantagraph comments are something else entirely. I often read them, but you have got to toss out at least half of what you read, lol.

Welcome to the forum, EasyDoesIt.
There are a bunch of pics saved from this case (easier that trying to find them in a hundred diff articles):
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everyone. Thank you all for the links and info you are posting.

I don't have much time to spend reading and you all do such an excellent job of keeping me up to date.

It would be hard for anybody close to the alleged killers to accept that maybe they could do something like this. We all know people that are capable of doing horrific crimes, through our lives be it at work, friends or social activities.

Always a shock and hard to believe. It does happen however.

:sad:

[kennedy06]

I don't understand and don't mean to be the duh person here, but is the conclusion RG was actually charged with possessing over 500 gm or not years ago? I'm not harping just trying understand all possibilities on this trial/crime board... as I would think Rick was mostly likely the main victim or target of whatever led to this whether it be family problems, or something else..unless it was plain burglary... not the kids or the wife IMO or family as a whole . I don't see why they would be.

JMO

[TennB]

[QUOTE=AmndaRcknwth;13557338]I am actually not aware if Tabitha is in an induced coma for sure... just an assumption based on happygert's posts and what I know about head injuries and comas./QUOTE]

Tabitha was in an induced coma in the beginning. She is not currently.

[Katherine]

I don't understand and don't mean to be the duh person here, but is the conclusion RG was actually charged with possessing over 500 gm or not years ago? I'm not harping just trying understand all possibilities on this trial/crime board... as I would think Rick was mostly likely the main victim or target of whatever led to this whether it be family problems, or something else..unless it was plain burglary... not the kids or the wife IMO or family as a whole . I don't see why they would be.

JMO

It appears as if he was fined and placed on probation.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Tabitha was in an induced coma in the beginning. She is not currently.

Glad to hear that. So, that has to be why she was moved from serious to fair condition.

[Katherine]

[QUOTE=AmndaRcknwth;13557338]I am actually not aware if Tabitha is in an induced coma for sure... just an assumption based on happygert's posts and what I know about head injuries and comas./QUOTE]

Tabitha was in an induced coma in the beginning. She is not currently.

Thanks for the update, TennB. I hope that means she is improving? Prayers are with her, and your family.

[Mandysmom]

[QUOTE=TennB;13557423]

Thanks for the update, TennB. I hope that means she is improving? Prayers are with her, and your family.

Add my prayers to those also.

I don't know if Rick was the intended target alone or what went on, kennedy.

I just don't understand why anybody would want to do this to anyone, but especially children.

However when reading the posts at the beginning of this forum, several posters were certain in their thoughts that this had to be someone who knew these victims due to the nature of the crime and other things.

The rage, the total destruction of a family.

:sad:

[Lucy]

Will this trial be televised?

[sinagua]

I searched and found this.

In Illinois, cameras are not allowed in trial courts. But state appellate courts, including the Supreme Court, have allowed video cameras and audio recording devices upon request since 1985. In 2008, the Illinois Supreme Court began posting video recordings of oral arguments on its Web site.

[Lucy]

I searched and found this.

In Illinois, cameras are not allowed in trial courts. But state appellate courts, including the Supreme Court, have allowed video cameras and audio recording devices upon request since 1985. In 2008, the Illinois Supreme Court began posting video recordings of oral arguments on its Web site.

Well, my answer is a no. They seem so far behind the times. I wonder how many other states don't allow cameras in the court room?
I don't know why , I was just thinking Federal Trials don't allow cameras in court rooms.

Anyone close enough that may be attending the trial?

[KittyMom]

http://www.pjstar.com/news_police/x1992016055/Second-brother-charged-in-Beason-slayings-has-court-hearing

Second brother charged in Beason slayings has court hearing

Also Tuesday, the director of the Illinois State Police said authorities used a "surge concept" to investigate the case and submitted 133 items of evidence to the ISP Forensic Science Laboratory early in the investigation.

"The ISP continues to further develop this surge concept for use in significant and/or catastrophic incidents such as this case," Monken said.


Anyone remember a case where this concept was used? It certainly sounds like the state has carefully thought out and planned this concept.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Reading that, I feel very assured that they are doing a thorough investigation, not just pinning it on first-available suspects.

Hearing that some people in that county do not trust their own police, sheriffs, prosecutors, etc... is worrisome.
But this article makes it sound like they are on top of it, and the ISP got people from around the state, not just locals.

As everyone else, I just wish we (the public) had more to go on to ease the doubts. I know it is in the pros best interest to keep it quiet, and ultimately in the defendants best interest as well.

I like to know details.

[JoAnn]

[QUOTE=AmndaRcknwth;13557338]I am actually not aware if Tabitha is in an induced coma for sure... just an assumption based on happygert's posts and what I know about head injuries and comas./QUOTE]

Tabitha was in an induced coma in the beginning. She is not currently.

Oh that is the only ray of sunshine so far in this whole investigation, I hope and pray she shall recover completely and not have mental scars to deal with thru out her life. With any sort of luck at all, as sometimes happens when tragedy strikes, maybe she will not recall the horror of all of this..lets hope so at least...the case is developing without the need of a 3 year olds eye witness statements or at least I hope it has developed thus far without it.

It breaks my heart to think of all three of the children that were killed, who no matter what occurred and why, were totally innocent and there was no need to kill them other than they could possibly identify the killers.

[KittyMom]

Snipped and bolded by me

The surge concept is basically a “blitz” investigation http://www.isp.state.il.us/media/pressdetails.cfm?ID=476

It seems to me that the state poured everything they had into investigating. No stone left unturned, no piece of evidence left undocumented.

[JoAnn]

Last night I read of another murder where three people were murdered, the reason I mention it ...and not suggesting that this happened here, but it is something to think a bit about...

What it turned out to be, was a woman's boyfriend was shot and killed, and while she was trying to contact her parents, there was no answer and she couldn't reach them because they were also dead, killed by three young men, one of which was a ex boyfriend.

The motive? One of the young men wanted the girl back (ex girlfriend) back ( I 'think" she had a child by him but not positive on that part) but she had a new boyfriend, so he (they) killed her boyfriend and her parents for revenge to hurt her, and they tried to kill her grandparents too but a gun jammed and the grandparents were not killed.

The motive was strictly revenge to hurt HER ...and punish her.

So sometimes a motive can be very hard to understand if you don't have all the facts. In this incident, we were at least told the facts..but in the Gee family murders we have so little to work with that it is difficult to come up with a logical working theory of a motive.

[clueless]

Snipped and bolded by me

The surge concept is basically a “blitz” investigation http://www.isp.state.il.us/media/pressdetails.cfm?ID=476

Wow. What a great thing to know that's out there. Wonder if this was started in Illinois? Cudos. Thanks Scienter for the link.

[clueless]

Yes, there's some conflicting information under the Disposition tab for Rick's case. The "POSSESS CANNABIS/>500 GRAMS" link specifies section 4(E) when I mouse over it, but the Disposition tab calls it a Class 4 offense, whereas section 4(E) below calls it a Class 3 felony. http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,1995CF158,IL054025JL1995CF158D1
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072005500K4

So, the charge that was dismissed in Rick's case, mentioned only as a Class 2 felony, looks like a trafficking charge for the 500 to 2,000 grams (about 1 to 4½ pounds).


http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/072005500K5.htm

Thanks for UNconfusing me. I certainly am learning alot from this board; and seems to be alot of very knowledgeable people with their insights.

[CaliforniaGr]

Don't know if I missed this but according to court records no Subpoenas records were received yesterday in court.

[IM4Truth]

Sure is quiet here tonight! Haven't had time to check in for awhile but doesn't look like much is going on here. They sure are roused over there on the Pantagraph though! (must be where all of you are tonight) I wonder if a cell phone was found at the scene of the crime that belonged to one of the brothers? I understand "innocent until proven guilty" but I also believe in LE and lab evidence. I do not think the Harris brohers were framed, but some people think Casey Anthony was framed too, go figure. :shrug:

[IM4Truth]

I am amazed with this "surge concept". A plan is in place and it immediately goes into effect as needed. The Top Dogs from all over the State of IL are called in. And some people think they all got together and framed the Harris brothers? Hmm, very interesting.

[JoAnn]

Wow. What a great thing to know that's out there. Wonder if this was started in Illinois? Cudos. Thanks Scienter for the link.


I just found the time to read the entire statement from the state police..and I have to say...they had their crap together for this. This was a team of highly professional investigators and specialist that converged on the crime scene...because of that, they were able to process enough of the evidence to make an arrest so quickly. This surge concept is amazing.

[GentleBreeze]

I just found the time to read the entire statement from the state police..and I have to say...they had their crap together for this. This was a team of highly professional investigators and specialist that converged on the crime scene...because of that, they were able to process enough of the evidence to make an arrest so quickly. This surge concept is amazing.

Absolutely!

They immediately prioritized this case due to it being mass murders where the murderers were still on the loose in this small community. Because they were able to forensically analyze some of the evidence in such a short time they were able to apprehend the suspects.

Kudos to them and more states should use this concept.

imo

[clueless]

I am amazed with this "surge concept". A plan is in place and it immediately goes into effect as needed. The Top Dogs from all over the State of IL are called in. And some people think they all got together and framed the Harris brothers? Hmm, very interesting.

I am curious about this "surge concept", ie, if it was new or if Illinois was the first state to impliment it, but I can't find anything else on it on the Web.

Does anyone know; or help me out here??!

[AmndaRcknwth]

I don't see anything to define the technique as it pertains to law enforcement.

But "a period of intense effort", "to move like advancing waves", "a strong rush or sweep", fit the situation.

[Katherine]

I believe the "surge concept" is a new name that has been given to a practice that has been in place for ISP for many years. When a major crime like this occurs, and assistance is sought from ISP, they send out troopers, special agents, evidence technicians and analysts from STIC (Statewide Intelligence Task Force). These individuals do come from all over the state, and all evidence is given priority. It is good to see the efforts recognized, because so many things go on behind the scenes that most of us never know.

[sinagua]

Right. "The Statewide Terrorism and Intelligence Center continues to provide a critical service to Illinois criminal justice agencies, and currently focuses on terrorism, narcotics, violent crimes, internet crimes, motor vehicle theft, and missing children, as well as outreach to the private sector. STIC continues to serve as a model for other state agencies nationwide through public/private partnerships and innovative technology solutions." from the website

It has been around for 6 years.

[clueless]

Right. "The Statewide Terrorism and Intelligence Center continues to provide a critical service to Illinois criminal justice agencies, and currently focuses on terrorism, narcotics, violent crimes, internet crimes, motor vehicle theft, and missing children, as well as outreach to the private sector. STIC continues to serve as a model for other state agencies nationwide through public/private partnerships and innovative technology solutions." from the website

It has been around for 6 years.

TY....What a good deal.

[IM4Truth]

I don't see anything to define the technique as it pertains to law enforcement.

But "a period of intense effort", "to move like advancing waves", "a strong rush or sweep", fit the situation.

Much like preparing for a hurricane that hopefully the federal and local governments learned after Katrina. I know that when hurricane season begins, our office starts meetings to go over plans to set up after a hurricane to aid the public. Our offices throughout Miami have places reserved, companies to be put on alert, etc. so we can move in after a hurricane and put our plan into effect as soon as possible. Our meetings continue through hurricane season every year and are increased if there is a storm brewing.

The team may be effective in getting it all together quickly and making quick arrests, but why does our justice system take so long? Did I read it could be 3 years before they actually go to court? I know preparing all evidence is time consuming and must be exact, but I would think it could come much quicker than 3 years, but then again, I ain't educated in those areas! Does anyone remember how long it took to get Mike Drabing to trial? I remember the murders were in August 1979. It sure doesn't seem like it took very long. I attended that trial. The awful photos of the injuries are burned in my brain. I hope they don't have to show those to a jury in this trial.

Now, off to work!

[Katherine]

Some information about the sealed search warrants...

http://www.sj-r.com/local/x1579576573/Secrecy-the-rule-on-search-warrants-in-Logan-County

[desmom]

Some information about the sealed search warrants...

http://www.sj-r.com/local/x1579576573/Secrecy-the-rule-on-search-warrants-in-Logan-County

Thanks for the link. I had to laugh that the SJ-R wrote the article because it has been an ongoing battle in Sanagmon County, home of the SJ-R, for years.

jmo

[Katherine]

Thanks for the link. I had to laugh that the SJ-R wrote the article because it has been an ongoing battle in Sanagmon County, home of the SJ-R, for years.

jmo

Yes it has....

[Katherine]

Right. "The Statewide Terrorism and Intelligence Center continues to provide a critical service to Illinois criminal justice agencies, and currently focuses on terrorism, narcotics, violent crimes, internet crimes, motor vehicle theft, and missing children, as well as outreach to the private sector. STIC continues to serve as a model for other state agencies nationwide through public/private partnerships and innovative technology solutions." from the website

It has been around for 6 years.

Just a quick note before off to work...the analysts come from STIC. Prior to this being developed, they worked all over instead of one central location. Staff work 24/7 and have access to (seems like) every data base possible. Developed to be a "one stop shop" for law enforcment seeking aassistance such as background checks, phone records, etc. The others involved in the "surge concept" are not housed at STIC, but rather in different districts and zones throughout the state.

Have a good day everyone.

[GentleBreeze]

Much like preparing for a hurricane that hopefully the federal and local governments learned after Katrina. I know that when hurricane season begins, our office starts meetings to go over plans to set up after a hurricane to aid the public. Our offices throughout Miami have places reserved, companies to be put on alert, etc. so we can move in after a hurricane and put our plan into effect as soon as possible. Our meetings continue through hurricane season every year and are increased if there is a storm brewing.

The team may be effective in getting it all together quickly and making quick arrests, but why does our justice system take so long? Did I read it could be 3 years before they actually go to court? I know preparing all evidence is time consuming and must be exact, but I would think it could come much quicker than 3 years, but then again, I ain't educated in those areas! Does anyone remember how long it took to get Mike Drabing to trial? I remember the murders were in August 1979. It sure doesn't seem like it took very long. I attended that trial. The awful photos of the injuries are burned in my brain. I hope they don't have to show those to a jury in this trial.

Now, off to work!

It all depends if the defendant request a speedy trial. Most defendants do not ask for one. Unfortunately in our justice system there are many cases on the docket that have to be tried not just one particular one. The DA has many other cases ongoing and so does the defense attorneys or public defenders as in this case, to deal with.

Also the DAs and defense attorneys often are in plea deal negotiations concerning certain cases. It isn't like they have nothing else to do but just concentrate on one case. Also before the trial is held many hearings have to be held to go over motions that have been entered where the Judge has to make rulings before the case goes forward. The presiding Judge also has many other cases.

It is just a lengthy process. I have seen DAs though try a case in about a year's time from the crime but usually the time line is around 2 years, imo.

imo

[JoAnn]

What does every think that Chris and Jason will most likely be tried separately , not together. That would mean two separate trials, which could mean that there could be a different outcome or verdict for each one.

[sinagua]

If I was innocent, I would demand a speedy trial. I wouldn't want to sit in the county jail for a year or 2. But, then if I was guilty, I might want to drag the trial out, because I would know that I was never getting out of prison, anyway.

I am guessing that being in county is better than prison, I don't know. (Except that you never get an outside rec time.)

[clueless]

What does every think that Chris and Jason will most likely be tried separately , not together. That would mean two separate trials, which could mean that there could be a different outcome or verdict for each one.

1. Could be one may be way more involved than the other.

2. Has anyone heard about the police confiscating a bartender's phone at Lawndale Tap (Bill's Bar)? Supposedly Chris and Jason were there on the 20th, ask if they could use the bar phone....bartender said it's not long distance, and gave them his cell to use? Said Lawndale was closed off at one point.???????
I read this on another site. Just curious if anyone else had any info on this.

[JoAnn]

What does every think that Chris and Jason will most likely be tried separately , not together. That would mean two separate trials, which could mean that there could be a different outcome or verdict for each one.
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Sorry my question quoted above makes little sense the way I wrote it...I meant to say:

"what does everyone think of the fact that Chris and Jason will most likely be tried separately, not together. That would mean two separate trials, which could mean that there could be a different outcome or verdict for each one?

[JoAnn]

1. Could be one may be way more involved than the other.

2. Has anyone heard about the police confiscating a bartender's phone at Lawndale Tap (Bill's Bar)? Supposedly Chris and Jason were there on the 20th, ask if they could use the bar phone....bartender said it's not long distance, and gave them his cell to use? Said Lawndale was closed off at one point.???????
I read this on another site. Just curious if anyone else had any info on this.
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I read the same info and wondered about it too. So hard to know what is truth and what isnt, but it is very interesting and it makes you wonder who they called and why..maybe called Rick and Ruths house to see if they were home? Might account for the subpoena for phone records too.

[Mandysmom]

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Sorry my question quoted above makes little sense the way I wrote it...I meant to say:

"what does everyone think of the fact that Chris and Jason will most likely be tried separately, not together. That would mean two separate trials, which could mean that there could be a different outcome or verdict for each one?

Could be that one will turn on the other. Or not. :unsure:

[m3t00]

So much depends on the facts of the case which we don't have. Obviously there was some kind of conflict between Gees and Harris bros.
Money, love, honor... who knows?

I'm leaning towards the most simple scenario I can think of given that both have been charged the same. It started with a shouting match escalated to a brawl and then deadly weapons. I don't think they planned to kill anyone but once it started they went into a rage.

They may be able to get a few of the charges reduced to 2nd degree. If only one did the swinging and the other testifies against him I can only guess how it would end up.

I hope they both just confess and get it over with.

[JoAnn]

Questions for anyone..I find I am not sure about the following!

Does anyone know HOW Jennifer's mom arrived from Florida..did she drive or fly?

Am I correct that her mom was actually in Illinois visiting her daughter when the murders took place..?

...Or was that just a assumption I made based on how Jennifers mom could provide a alibi for Chris unless she was physically present in Illinois.

...And was it a alibi the mom provided or did she tamper or destroy evidence?

Sorry to be going over things that I should have known, but for some reason, I seem vague on the above items..

Thanks ahead of time for input.

[IM4Truth]

Questions for anyone..I find I am not sure about the following!

Does anyone know HOW Jennifer's mom arrived from Florida..did she drive or fly?

Am I correct that her mom was actually in Illinois visiting her daughter when the murders took place..?

...Or was that just a assumption I made based on how Jennifers mom could provide a alibi for Chris unless she was physically present in Illinois.

...And was it a alibi the mom provided or did she tamper or destroy evidence?

Sorry to be going over things that I should have known, but for some reason, I seem vague on the above items..

Thanks ahead of time for input.

I don't think I have ever had any confirmation on those questions. I lean towards something happened, daughter calls mom and mom flys up as quickly as possible. I do believe it was in the newspaper that they both provided false alibi's. Other than that, I don't know. Destroying evidence is another theory.

[GentleBreeze]

What does every think that Chris and Jason will most likely be tried separately , not together. That would mean two separate trials, which could mean that there could be a different outcome or verdict for each one.

Is this what the defense attorneys are hoping for or has the DA stated the cases will be tried separately?

Will it ultimately be up to the presiding Judge to determine that?

imo

[JoAnn]

I don't think I have ever had any confirmation on those questions. I lean towards something happened, daughter calls mom and mom flys up as quickly as possible. I do believe it was in the newspaper that they both provided false alibi's. Other than that, I don't know. Destroying evidence is another theory.
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So we don't really know if she were her during or just after the murders?

[JoAnn]

Is this what the defense attorneys are hoping for or has the DA stated the cases will be tried separately?

Will it ultimately be up to the presiding Judge to determine that?

imo
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I don't know who decides if they are tried together or separately..maybe the defense requests it??

[JoAnn]

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http://www.wjbc.com/TabId/7865/default.aspx?AID=9994

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thanks S. I also found the link to where I read it at..

http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47795 post #5

[GentleBreeze]

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http://www.wjbc.com/TabId/7865/default.aspx?AID=9994

So there may not be a preliminary hearing after all for C. Harris.

Excerpt:

Two weeks into the case of the Beason slayings, Christopher Harris' public defender, Patrick "Tim" Timoney says it may take up to three years for the case to be resolved. Timoney says that he has his own team of investigators, but that he's not entitled to any evidence in the case until after Christopher Harris' arraignment on or before October 28. Timoney expects that the state's attorney will take it to the grand jury before then, rather than to a judge in open court. Timoney says the two attorneys may work together to share resources but not necessarily.

[IlliniFan]

Sister seeking more information about Duncan's arrest in Beason case


LINCOLN - The sister of a Florida woman charged with obstructing justice in the murder investigation of a Beason family said Thursday she is looking for information about the arrest of Sara Duncan.

Duncan and her daughter, Jennifer Earnest of Armington, are accused of providing police with a false alibi for Chris Harris who, along with his brother, Jason Harris, faces five counts of murder in the Sept. 21 deaths of Rick and Ruth Gee and three of their children. A fourth child, 3-year-old old Tabitha Gee, remains hospitalized in Peoria.
(snipped)


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2e9067e0-b9eb-11de-bd0d-001cc4c002e0.html

[GentleBreeze]

Sister seeking more information about Duncan's arrest in Beason case


LINCOLN - The sister of a Florida woman charged with obstructing justice in the murder investigation of a Beason family said Thursday she is looking for information about the arrest of Sara Duncan.

Duncan and her daughter, Jennifer Earnest of Armington, are accused of providing police with a false alibi for Chris Harris who, along with his brother, Jason Harris, faces five counts of murder in the Sept. 21 deaths of Rick and Ruth Gee and three of their children. A fourth child, 3-year-old old Tabitha Gee, remains hospitalized in Peoria.
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http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2e9067e0-b9eb-11de-bd0d-001cc4c002e0.html

Well I doubt the police are going to tell her anything.

imo

[AmndaRcknwth]

Sara Duncan was in Armington at the time of the Gee family murders, according to the article IlliniFan posted.

Betty Tappan told The Pantagraph on Thursday that her sister came to Illinois two days before the murders to visit Earnest and Earnest's 1-year-old daughter. She planned to spend a week in Armington and had plane tickets to return Sept. 26 to Florida, said Tappan.

"She was just a grandmother, baby sitting and taking care of her granddaughter," said Tappan.

[JoAnn]

Sara Duncan was in Armington at the time of the Gee family murders, according to the article IlliniFan posted.

Betty Tappan told The Pantagraph on Thursday that her sister came to Illinois two days before the murders to visit Earnest and Earnest's 1-year-old daughter. She planned to spend a week in Armington and had plane tickets to return Sept. 26 to Florida, said Tappan.

"She was just a grandmother, baby sitting and taking care of her granddaughter," said Tappan.



I just have to wonder HOW she let herself get caught up in this...and what she actually said to LE to cause herself to be in this situation.
I certainly wouldnt be keeping any secrets if I were her...would be running my mouth big time.

[m3t00]

I just have to wonder HOW she let herself get caught up in this...and what she actually said to LE to cause herself to be in this situation.
I certainly wouldnt be keeping any secrets if I were her...would be running my mouth big time.

She must have believed she knew where they were all Sunday night and told the police what she believed to be true. But the fact is, she was asleep that night and couldn't possibly account for their whereabouts all night. Police wrote it down as "Duncan and Earnest say Harris bros spent the night in Armington". Looking at notes a week later after proving to themselves the Harris bros were in Beason... OBSTRUCTION!

Inability to separate facts from beliefs is also a leading cause of gossip, rumors, misunderstandings, war and forum posts.

[clueless]

The search warrant information has been sealed temporarily, said Kara Smith, deputy chief of staff for Attorney General Lisa Madigan. The Illinois attorney's general's office has assigned two prosecutors to assist Logan County State's Attorney Mike McIntosh with the case.

"It's very, very early in a very tragic case. As soon as the information can be made available to the public it will be," said Smith.

I'm glad we finally know the when and how regarding Duncan getting here. I still feel it's awfully coincidental her being here when all this took place; especially with the charge of obstruction. JMO

[Amy]

Well, my answer is a no. They seem so far behind the times. I wonder how many other states don't allow cameras in the court room?
I don't know why , I was just thinking Federal Trials don't allow cameras in court rooms.

Anyone close enough that may be attending the trial?

I don't know which states allow, and which do not. However, in @ least some states that do, the final decision about allowing a trial to be televised is with the judge-and some allow, some don't. In CA several years ago, there were 2 trials that were not televised. And, I can see why some judges would rather hold the trial without. Cuz some of the participants in some trials have played to the cameras instead of getting down to the business @ hand. I didn't watch the OJ trial, but to hear others tell about it, even the judge (Ito) was playing to the cameras.

[IM4Truth]

She must have believed she knew where they were all Sunday night and told the police what she believed to be true. But the fact is, she was asleep that night and couldn't possibly account for their whereabouts all night. Police wrote it down as "Duncan and Earnest say Harris bros spent the night in Armington". Looking at notes a week later after proving to themselves the Harris bros were in Beason... OBSTRUCTION!

Inability to separate facts from beliefs is also a leading cause of gossip, rumors, misunderstandings, war and forum posts.

I'm confused. Are you supposing this or was it published: "She must have believed she knew where they were all Sunday night and told the police what she believed to be true."

Are you stating this as fact or was it published: "But the fact is, she was asleep that night and couldn't possibly account for their whereabouts all night."

Where did you find this: "Police wrote it down as "Duncan and Earnest say Harris bros spent the night in Armington". "

And lastly, who was "Looking at notes a week later after proving to themselves the Harris bros were in Beason..." Was it the police or Duncan and Earnest?

To be honest, I can't separate the facts in your post. I'm not attacking you by any means, I'm just trying to understand it. I've always been very interested from the beginning about Duncan's part in all of this. I hadn't even read anything about her being there until her arrest. It is interesting now to know that she arrived before the murders and left after that. It very well could have been just a week's vacation to visit with her daughter and granddaughter. However, if a situation like this had happened in my family, I think I would have called my office and asked for extended leave for at least another week. I wonder if LE advised her not to leave until further questioning?

[JoAnn]

I'm confused. Are you supposing this or was it published: "She must have believed she knew where they were all Sunday night and told the police what she believed to be true."

Are you stating this as fact or was it published: "But the fact is, she was asleep that night and couldn't possibly account for their whereabouts all night."

Where did you find this: "Police wrote it down as "Duncan and Earnest say Harris bros spent the night in Armington". "

And lastly, who was "Looking at notes a week later after proving to themselves the Harris bros were in Beason..." Was it the police or Duncan and Earnest?

To be honest, I can't separate the facts in your post. I'm not attacking you by any means, I'm just trying to understand it. I've always been very interested from the beginning about Duncan's part in all of this. I hadn't even read anything about her being there until her arrest. It is interesting now to know that she arrived before the murders and left after that. It very well could have been just a week's vacation to visit with her daughter and granddaughter. However, if a situation like this had happened in my family, I think I would have called my office and asked for extended leave for at least another week. I wonder if LE advised her not to leave until further questioning?

I find I am a bit confused on the posting too.

[IlliniFan]

Someone posted this link, on the Pantagraph:


http://sarasotasheriff.org/InmateChargeReport.asp?Inmate=DUNCAN%2CSARA+ANNETT E


It has some information about Jennifer's mother, Sara.....

[m3t00]

She must have believed she knew where they were all Sunday night and told the police what she believed to be true. But the fact is, she was asleep that night and couldn't possibly account for their whereabouts all night. Police wrote it down as "Duncan and Earnest say Harris bros spent the night in Armington". Looking at notes a week later after proving to themselves the Harris bros were in Beason... OBSTRUCTION!

Inability to separate facts from beliefs is also a leading cause of gossip, rumors, misunderstandings, war and forum posts.

Sorry, those are my beliefs. :blushing:

Based on all I've read about Duncan I cannot believe she would have knowingly told a lie to police. I would have posted a link if I had found that sort of detailed information. See how easy it is to start rumors with almost no facts :scared:

imo,jmo,emo,w/e

[clueless]

Someone posted this link, on the Pantagraph:


http://sarasotasheriff.org/InmateChargeReport.asp?Inmate=DUNCAN%2CSARA+ANNETT E


It has some information about Jennifer's mother, Sara.....

I find this very interesting. Can someone tell me why her daughter has bail and she does not?
I really freaked when I saw this picture. Someone married into my family that I was not comfortable about and all you need to do is change the hair color!!! Wonder how many siblings she has; seems to be a big jump of 17 yrs between her and her sister?

[clueless]

I find this very interesting. Can someone tell me why her daughter has bail and she does not?
I really freaked when I saw this picture. Someone married into my family that I was not comfortable about and all you need to do is change the hair color!!! Wonder how many siblings she has; seems to be a big jump of 17 yrs between her and her sister?

Too late to edit....I see where these people moved quite a bit. I know people move for their jobs, etc, but when there is alot of movement in the same locality I sense instability of some kind. JMO

[m3t00]

Obstruction of Justice

IMO, LE cannot simply charge someone with obstruction based only on conflicting testimony (such as someone claiming to see them on Hwy 6 at 2 AM), otherwise every case (criminal or civil) involving conflicting testimony (and that would be ALL of them) would automatically involve charges of obstruction and/or perjury, which would cause a extreme chilling effect on the exercise of justice. That is, the losing party would automatically receive fines and/or imprisonment (and criminal convictions) for losing.

I agree that it would have a chilling effect if they arrested everyone who made false statements. The system would be buried in obstruction cases. They don't arrest everyone but they could and do for the purpose of intimidating someone who may be withholding evidence. I think they wanted to squeeze a few more people for information and obstruction was an easy way to do that.

We just don't have any information about what Duncan said or anyone else. I think if Duncan actually had vital information to their case, LE would have her here in Illinois already. She is in legal limbo and can't even have bail set until she sees a judge here in Illinois.

Duncan's daughter is the one they really wanted to squeeze and what better way to pressure her than to arrest her mother.

[CaliforniaGr]

I find this very interesting. Can someone tell me why her daughter has bail and she does not?
I really freaked when I saw this picture. Someone married into my family that I was not comfortable about and all you need to do is change the hair color!!! Wonder how many siblings she has; seems to be a big jump of 17 yrs between her and her sister?

I believe that since the arrest warrant is out of Illinois, Florida is just holding her for Illinois. Once she is brought to Illinois, which is the part that I don't understand why that has not happened yet, she will have a bail because Florida will no longer be responsible for her. For instance, if she jumped bail in Florida, it would be Florida's problem. Also, why is she smiling like that? Also, it is a fugitive warrant. No just a plain warrant. Maybe she was told not to leave Illinois and she did anyway against LE order.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I find this very interesting. Can someone tell me why her daughter has bail and she does not?
I really freaked when I saw this picture. Someone married into my family that I was not comfortable about and all you need to do is change the hair color!!! Wonder how many siblings she has; seems to be a big jump of 17 yrs between her and her sister?


Sara Duncan has no bail because she is held on a fugitive warrant from IL. When she s transported to IL, then she will probably have the same thing as Jennifer.

I don't understand your "seems to be a big jump of 17 years between her and her sister". Who?

[JoAnn]

Sara Duncan has no bail because she is held on a fugitive warrant from IL. When she s transported to IL, then she will probably have the same thing as Jennifer.

I don't understand your "seems to be a big jump of 17 years between her and her sister". Who?

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[GentleBreeze]

I am confused too. Who is 17 years older than their sibling?

Sara is Jennifer's mother, right?

imo

[CaliforniaGr]

I am confused too. Who is 17 years older than their sibling?

Sara is Jennifer's mother, right?

imo

Yes, Sara is Jennifer's mom. I guess that Sara has a sister/brother that is 17 years older than her.

[GentleBreeze]

Yes, Sara is Jennifer's mom. I guess that Sara has a sister/brother that is 17 years older than her.

Ok, thanks.

Sounds like me. I am 16 and 17 years older than my two younger brothers. LOL! Yep, same mom and dad.:wink:

imo

[m3t00]

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0941/part01.htm

I think is the legal quagmire Duncan is in. Basically she will sit there until Illinois tells them what they want to do next. Or 30-90 days.

I didn't read much of it.

[clueless]

I don't understand your "seems to be a big jump of 17 years between her and her sister". Who?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, should have clarified...between Sara and her sister, Betty Tappan.

[JoAnn]

Ok, thanks.

Sounds like me. I am 16 and 17 years older than my two younger brothers. LOL! Yep, same mom and dad.:wink:

imo

me too..18 between my brother and myself..he was grown and in the military when I was born.

[JoAnn]

I found a question posted at this crimminal law site...similar to what is going on here, though it was New York and Florida...not Illinois and Florida, but I am pretty sure the info would be the same no matter what other state were involved.

This is the answer

If someone is being detained in FLA on a fugitive warrant from another state like NY, then FLA will hold the person for their statutory period, could be anywhere from 30 to 90 days, until NY notifies them of their intention to either come and get the person, or not. If NY does not let FLA know what they want to do, or does not come and get
the person within the time period, then FLA can only hold him for their statutory period, as mentioned above.


http://en.allexperts.com/q/Criminal-Law-916/state-fugitive-warrant.

PLEASE NOTE..THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, but I am sure you could substitute Illinois for New York and the info would be the same.

[m3t00]

If NY does not let FLA know what they want to do, or does not come and get
the person within the time period, then FLA can only hold him for their statutory period, as mentioned above.


2009 Florida Statutes 941.16 (http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0941/SEC16.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0941-%3ESection%2016#0941.16)

She should be able to get bail according to that.

[GentleBreeze]

2009 Florida Statutes 941.16 (http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0941/SEC16.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0941-%3ESection%2016#0941.16)

She should be able to get bail according to that.

Wouldn't that be if she was being charged in Florida?

I thought she is being held on a fugitive warrant?

She will be able to make bond once she returns to Illinois imo.

imo

[JoAnn]

2009 Florida Statutes 941.16 (http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0941/SEC16.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0941-%3ESection%2016#0941.16)

She should be able to get bail according to that.

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This is MOST DEFINITELY IMO AND I am only guessing at this..but I dont believe Florida can set bail for her..for the crime did not occur in Florida but in Illinois. Florida is just holding Duncan till Illinois tells them what to do so Illinois would probably be the one that would have to set bail.

I only read the part that you had included in your post, but it looks like that is Florida law you have posted and she is not being held on a Florida charge..she is being held on a charge from Illinois, so releasing her and bonding her out will most likely be determined by Illinois not Florida.
She is most likely awaiting extradition to Illinois right now
Imo

Just in my opinion and I may very well be wrong..

[clueless]

This is under Chapter 941-Corrections Interstate Cooperation:

) A warrant issued under s. 941.07 shall be presumed to be valid, and unless a court finds that the person in custody is not the same person named in the warrant, or that the person is not a fugitive from justice, or otherwise subject to extradition under s. 941.06, or that there is no criminal charge or criminal proceeding pending against the person in the demanding state, or that the documents are not on their face in order, the person named in the warrant shall be held in custody at all times and shall not be eligible for release on bail.

[JoAnn]

This is under Chapter 941-Corrections Interstate Cooperation:

) A warrant issued under s. 941.07 shall be presumed to be valid, and unless a court finds that the person in custody is not the same person named in the warrant, or that the person is not a fugitive from justice, or otherwise subject to extradition under s. 941.06, or that there is no criminal charge or criminal proceeding pending against the person in the demanding state, or that the documents are not on their face in order, the person named in the warrant shall be held in custody at all times and shall not be eligible for release on bail.

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good find on that..I couldnt find a good example..

[IM4Truth]

IF she can be held in FL for 30 - 90 days before IL makes their move then my guess is she could be sitting there in the Sarasota jail for a total of 89 days! Unless IL has everything they want right now (which appears they don't) they will let her sit it out. I wouldn't have ever wanted (or let) my mother sit in jail one day if I could have helped it. She might be talking but maybe Jennifer is still trying to protect Jason. Just a thought anyway. Or Sara could be held on something more serious than just giving false alibis. Maybe she was part of destroying evidence. How long can a person be held or punished if she did destroy evidence in this horrendous murder? I'm not saying this is true, but maybe there was some big conspiracy and that is why she flew up there to begin with. Don't bash me, just tossing out thoughts.

[JoAnn]

[QUOTE=IM4Truth; SNIPPED... How long can a person be held or punished if she did destroy evidence in this horrendous murder? I'm not saying this is true, but maybe there was some big conspiracy and that is why she flew up there to begin with. Don't bash me, just tossing out thoughts.[/QUOTE]

IMO You have only stated what has went thru the minds of others..it is such a HUGE coincidence to just happen to have MOM here at the same time when this horrendous crime occured and which also just happens to involve the daughter. I know coincidences happen all the time but I have wondered about this all along..I am not saying I think MOM was intentionally involved but wonder if she was manipulated into the position she is in now and taken advantage of by Chris, Jason and Jennifer..as I mentioned before, a alibi coming from Mom for Chris would also be a alibi for all of them...(if Chris was them..then they were with Chris...one alibi for all of them)..If MOM was duped or manipulated into providing a false alibi, then if I were here I would be running my mouth big time. I read in one interview with Jennifers dad, that he said she had called and was "scared" ..this was before her arrest, so I guess she should have been 'scared" for she was involved in one of the major crimes of the decade.

It would be good to know if Mom drove from florida or flew..and for how long she had planned this visit with her daughter..was it just a normal visit to see grandchild and Jennifer or was it a spur of the moment or a request from Jennifer to come?

[Amy]

IMO You have only stated what has went thru the minds of others..it is such a HUGE coincidence to just happen to have MOM here at the same time when this horrendous crime occured and which also just happens to involve the daughter. I know coincidences happen all the time but I have wondered about this all along..I am not saying I think MOM was intentionally involved but wonder if she was manipulated into the position she is in now and taken advantage of by Chris, Jason and Jennifer..as I mentioned before, a alibi coming from Mom for Chris would also be a alibi for all of them...(if Chris was them..then they were with Chris...one alibi for all of them)..If MOM was duped or manipulated into providing a false alibi, then if I were here I would be running my mouth big time. I read in one interview with Jennifers dad, that he said she had called and was "scared" ..this was before her arrest, so I guess she should have been 'scared" for she was involved in one of the major crimes of the decade.

It would be good to know if Mom drove from florida or flew..and for how long she had planned this visit with her daughter..was it just a normal visit to see grandchild and Jennifer or was it a spur of the moment or a request from Jennifer to come?

BBM

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Duncan in Illinois at time of murders
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local...tml?mode=story (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2e9067e0-b9eb-11de-bd0d-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story)

Betty Tappan told The Pantagraph on Thursday that her sister came to Illinois two days before the murders to visit Earnest and Earnest's 1-year-old daughter. She planned to spend a week in Armington and had plane tickets to return Sept. 26 to Florida, said Tappan.

"She was just a grandmother, baby sitting and taking care of her granddaughter," said Tappan.


It doesn't say exactly HOW she got to IL, but that she was returning by plane. I would assume she flew up, but you know what they say about assuming! And gives the length of the stay.

[corbi77]

I wonder if she flew up there as well? Since "someone unidentified" applied for tags on Chris's truck, have to wonder if it was her and she had intentions of driving it back to Florida?
Just throwing out some ideas myself here too, as speculation. Some are convinced drugs are a part of this, maybe she even brought someone back with her intending to get a huge shipment to take back with them. Things went awry and she ended up having to fly back alone instead.
Sure seems funny someone other than Chris applied for tags for that truck, and I can't come up with a reasonable answer to it, unless someone else other than the brothers had made plans, and things went terribly wrong. Like I said, just a thought.

[m3t00]

Stumbled across this bit of insight about how extradition happens: here (http://en.allexperts.com/q/Criminal-Law-916/2009/10/fugitive-warrant-1.htm)
In this day and age someone could sit in jail for months waiting to be extradited because many jurisdictions use private extradition services now. What they do is circle the country picking up prisoners, dropping them off, picking more up, dropping more off, until they get to the jail where you (the person you are inquiring about) happens to be held. Its a matter of manpower, expense, and distance.

Police had already been to Florida (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_1432b060-b4ff-11de-a5f9-001cc4c002e0.html) before she was charged. They aren't in any hurry to get her to Illinois so this could be the reason for her still sitting in jail in Florida. Simple economics.

[JoAnn]

BBM

This was on page one of the links thread--post #16:


It doesn't say exactly HOW she got to IL, but that she was returning by plane. I would assume she flew up, but you know what they say about assuming! And gives the length of the stay.

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awwww yes, I forgot about reading that post..that she had flown back.

Pure Speculation here....IMO ...But it is possible but slighlty unlikely that she could have driven a vehicle up from florida to give to her daughter??..wonder if there is a way to check to see if Jennifer or Jason had applied for a title transfer on anything.? Is that public information?

Not impossible to think that there could be a unknown (to us) vehicle somewhere, for I have always thought it would be incredibly stupid for them to drive their own vehicle to commit a murder. Wonder if Mom had a rental car while here?? Could a rental car have been used..then turned in at the airport when she flew back? If she had a rental car, and she was asleep for the night, Chris, Jason or Jennifer could easily have "borrowed" the car, cleaned it up and given it back to Mom the next day with a lame excuse that they had spilled something in the car but had cleaned the seats up already..though depending on the fabric of the seats in car it is not to likely that you could clean up set in blood stains, though if seats were vinyl or leather, they would wipe down fairly well for appearances...hmmmmm

[JoAnn]

Stumbled across this bit of insight about how extradition happens: here (http://en.allexperts.com/q/Criminal-Law-916/2009/10/fugitive-warrant-1.htm)


Police had already been to Florida (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_1432b060-b4ff-11de-a5f9-001cc4c002e0.html) before she was charged. They aren't in any hurry to get her to Illinois so this could be the reason for her still sitting in jail in Florida. Simple economics.

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I suspect it is probably more along the lines that she is either fighting extradition or the paperwork is still being processed. They will most likely fly one to two of their people down from their dept to bring her back by plane..however in thinking about this a bit, what does a US Marshall do? I believe they have a fugitive team that looks for federal fugitives but it is possible that they do non-federal extradtions too?

Illinois can also review their findings and may decide they don't need Mom after all, in that instance she would simply be released.

[m3t00]

*snip
If MOM was duped or manipulated into providing a false alibi, then if I were here I would be running my mouth big time. I read in one interview with Jennifers dad, that he said she had called and was "scared" ..this was before her arrest, so I guess she should have been 'scared" for she was involved in one of the major crimes of the decade.

It would be good to know if Mom drove from florida or flew..and for how long she had planned this visit with her daughter..was it just a normal visit to see grandchild and Jennifer or was it a spur of the moment or a request from Jennifer to come?
It wasn't MOM who was scared, it was Jessica. From Pantagraph article (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_1432b060-b4ff-11de-a5f9-001cc4c002e0.html):
Dale Earnest, Jennifer's father and Duncan's ex-husband, said Friday that he got a phone call from Jessica Earnest on Tuesday but had not heard of this week's arrests until a reporter called.

"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police, 'No he couldn't have done it' and on and on," he said. "She was scared."

I would also assume MOM flew to Illinois but can't verify that.

[JoAnn]

*snip

It wasn't MOM who was scared, it was Jessica. From Pantagraph article (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_1432b060-b4ff-11de-a5f9-001cc4c002e0.html):


I would also assume MOM flew to Illinois but can't verify that.

I meant that it was Jennifer that was scared, didnt mean to imply it was mom..but sure didnt write it that way..error on my part...apologize!

[JoAnn]

SNIPPED>>

I read in one interview with Jennifers dad, that he said she had called and was "scared" ..this was before her arrest, so I guess she should have been 'scared" for she was involved in one of the major crimes of the decade.

--to clarify what I MEANT to say but it is to late to edit...

I did not mean to imply that Jennifers mom was scared, I meant that Jennifer in talking to her dad said SHE was scared....sorry if it didnt write it out that way..sometimes I don't always make my thoughts as clear in writing as they are in my mind...lol.

[CaliforniaGr]

I am confused. Who is Jessica? Isn't it Jennifer and Sara?

[JoAnn]

I am confused. Who is Jessica? Isn't it Jennifer and Sara?
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I see the error...this was in the pantagraph paper (sp)

The arrests of Jennifer Earnest, Jason's fiancee, and Earnest's mother, Sara A. Duncan, for allegedly impeding the investigating surprised some in Florida who know the suspects.

Dale Earnest, Jennifer's father and Duncan's ex-husband, said Friday that he got a phone call from Jessica Earnest on Tuesday but had not heard of this week's arrests until a reporter called.

"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police, 'No he couldn't have done it' and on and on," he said. "She was scared."

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Unless Jennifer's middle name is Jessica..then the paper has it wrong...unless there IS a Jessica somewhere, a sister or something??

[CaliforniaGr]

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I see the error...this was in the pantagraph paper (sp)

The arrests of Jennifer Earnest, Jason's fiancee, and Earnest's mother, Sara A. Duncan, for allegedly impeding the investigating surprised some in Florida who know the suspects.

Dale Earnest, Jennifer's father and Duncan's ex-husband, said Friday that he got a phone call from Jessica Earnest on Tuesday but had not heard of this week's arrests until a reporter called.

"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police, 'No he couldn't have done it' and on and on," he said. "She was scared."



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Unless Jennifer's middle name is Jessica..then the paper has it wrong...unless there IS a Jessica somewhere, a sister or something??

Jennifer's middle name is Calle. So as you say, mistake or relative named Jessica. Can get confusing...

[corbi77]

Another thing just crossed my mind. If Sara's sister is wanting some answers about this situation, that leaves me with the impression that Sara must not be talking to much. Or she really isn't in the know of anything, or there really isn't anything to be in the know about.

[JoAnn]

Another thing just crossed my mind. If Sara's sister is wanting some answers about this situation, that leaves me with the impression that Sara must not be talking to much. Or she really isn't in the know of anything, or there really isn't anything to be in the know about.
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Whatever facility she is lodged at.....I wonder if she has the freedoms of using a phone and having visitors? Since she has not been convicted of anything but is being held temporarily for another dept, I wonder what she can and can't do? For I have not read anything about her making phone calls any visitors coming to see her...or a family member speaking out except for the sister that wanted some answers...anyone know?...But with her in Florida maybe there would be no way for us to know something like that.

[CaliforniaGr]

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Whatever facility she is lodged at.....I wonder if she has the freedoms of using a phone and having visitors? Since she has not been convicted of anything but is being held temporarily for another dept, I wonder what she can and can't do? For I have not read anything about her making phone calls any visitors coming to see her...or a family member speaking out except for the sister that wanted some answers...anyone know?...But with her in Florida maybe there would be no way for us to know something like that.

An inmate is always allowed visitation and phone calls, of course only during visiting hours. Legal representation is allowed anytime.

[JoAnn]

An inmate is always allowed visitation and phone calls, of course only during visiting hours. Legal representation is allowed anytime.
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thanks ...I was just curious, since she is being held for another state, and hasnt actually had an arraignment or her day in court, what she would be allowed and not allowed. I know a regular inmate is afforded those rights, just wondered what happens in a situation like this. Makes sense she would have the same privilages though.

[IM4Truth]

An inmate is always allowed visitation and phone calls, of course only during visiting hours. Legal representation is allowed anytime.

So Chris and Jason could have visitors and phone calls? How did you know Jennifer's middle name?

[clueless]

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Whatever facility she is lodged at.....I wonder if she has the freedoms of using a phone and having visitors? Since she has not been convicted of anything but is being held temporarily for another dept, I wonder what she can and can't do? For I have not read anything about her making phone calls any visitors coming to see her...or a family member speaking out except for the sister that wanted some answers...anyone know?...But with her in Florida maybe there would be no way for us to know something like that.

From 10/15 evening Pantagraph: Tappan, who lives in New Mexico, said relatives in Florida have spoken with Earnest since her arrest in Sarasota but specific details of what's behind the charges have been hard to come by, she said.

[m3t00]

From 10/15 evening Pantagraph: Tappan, who lives in New Mexico, said relatives in Florida have spoken with Earnest since her arrest in Sarasota but specific details of what's behind the charges have been hard to come by, she said.
Pantagraph strikes again.:rolleyes: I think that sentence was about Sara Duncan. At least they are closely following the story. Most other papers are getting their info from the Pantagraph.

[Amy]

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Whatever facility she is lodged at.....I wonder if she has the freedoms of using a phone and having visitors? Since she has not been convicted of anything but is being held temporarily for another dept, I wonder what she can and can't do? For I have not read anything about her making phone calls any visitors coming to see her...or a family member speaking out except for the sister that wanted some answers...anyone know?...But with her in Florida maybe there would be no way for us to know something like that.

Of course, it could be that even if she has visitors or phone calls, she wouldn't be talking, except to maybe profess her innocence. I know we all know about calls and visits likely are recorded, but wonder if she does?

[CaliforniaGr]

So Chris and Jason could have visitors and phone calls? How did you know Jennifer's middle name?

Yes, everyone gets phone call and visitation rights. Unless for some reason the facility has said no visitors. Even that creep, Scott Peterson, that murdered his pregnant wife here in California a few years back had visitors right away.

I saw somewhere, maybe Florida's court page, that her middle initial is C. So I looked her up on the private eye.com webpage. It lists all possible relatives. There is also a tab that you can click on for an address search and type in any address and it list who lives and has lived there.

P.S. I am not a creepy stalker, I have to use the address and name search in my job.

[IM4Truth]

Pantagraph strikes again.:rolleyes: I think that sentence was about Sara Duncan. At least they are closely following the story. Most other papers are getting their info from the Pantagraph.

Well, I guess Sara was an Earnest at one time, isn't that her ex-husband's last name? They sure can get us confused! :confused:

[IM4Truth]

Yes, everyone gets phone call and visitation rights. Unless for some reason the facility has said no visitors. Even that creep, Scott Peterson, that murdered his pregnant wife here in California a few years back had visitors right away.

I saw somewhere, maybe Florida's court page, that her middle initial is C. So I looked her up on the private eye.com webpage. It lists all possible relatives. There is also a tab that you can click on for an address search and type in any address and it list who lives and has lived there.

P.S. I am not a creepy stalker, I have to use the address and name search in my job.

I need that link for my job too. Is it free? I use peoplefinders.com a lot at work. Is it privateye.com or as you typed it with a space between private and eye? I didn't know about this board during the Scott Peterson trial. But I followed every TV show I could. Don't mean to get off topic here but just a reminder to everyone that follows the Casey Anthony case there is a special on 48 Hours tonight.

[JoAnn]

Pantagraph strikes again.:rolleyes: I think that sentence was about Sara Duncan. At least they are closely following the story. Most other papers are getting their info from the Pantagraph.

Thats the second mistake discovered tonight on names with Pantragraph..the other was where they referred to Jennifer as Jessica and now this...I thought we only had to be careful with the rumors and comments being posted there..but I see now we better be careful of Pantagraph itself..... (lol)

[JoAnn]

I need that link for my job too. Is it free? I use peoplefinders.com a lot at work. Is it privateye.com or as you typed it with a space between private and eye? I didn't know about this board during the Scott Peterson trial. But I followed every TV show I could. Don't mean to get off topic here but just a reminder to everyone that follows the Casey Anthony case there is a special on 48 Hours tonight.

oooh..didnt notice the special...hope I havent missed part of it...off to check the tv..

[IM4Truth]

oooh..didnt notice the special...hope I havent missed part of it...off to check the tv..

I don't think it's on for another hour, not sure though. I can't help but think of all the people's lives who have been turned upside down by murder. Is there no respect left for a human life anymore?

[CaliforniaGr]

I need that link for my job too. Is it free? I use peoplefinders.com a lot at work. Is it privateye.com or as you typed it with a space between private and eye? I didn't know about this board during the Scott Peterson trial. But I followed every TV show I could. Don't mean to get off topic here but just a reminder to everyone that follows the Casey Anthony case there is a special on 48 Hours tonight.

Yes it is free. You can access it either way. With or without the space. It does come up on Google without the space. I need to check what time for me for 48 hours. thanks for info!!

[JoAnn]

I think we have all wondered about Tabitha and if she recovers if she might remember any of this, or how much she might remember as an adult... here is a link to a 20/20 show where the 3 year old survived a massacre of her family (her father did it) left her for dead on a dump where she stayed for 36 hours.....she is now an adult...and she DOES remember certain things...

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/carmina-salcido-confronts-dad-left-dead/Story?id=8835209

[CaliforniaGr]

Is the Pantagrah a regular newspaper or is it one of those gossip newspapers? It looks like a regular one to me online, but I don't know for sure.

[clueless]

From 10/15 evening Pantagraph: Tappan, who lives in New Mexico, said relatives in Florida have spoken with Earnest since her arrest in Sarasota but specific details of what's behind the charges have been hard to come by, she said.

You know, I've noticed that. There seems to be aleast one blippo in every article. Trying to get it out and no proofing.

[CaliforniaGr]

I think we have all wondered about Tabitha and if she recovers if she might remember any of this, or how much she might remember as an adult... here is a link to a 20/20 show where the 3 year old survived a massacre of her family (her father did it) left her for dead on a dump where she stayed for 36 hours.....she is now an adult...and she DOES remember certain things...

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/carmina-salcido-confronts-dad-left-dead/Story?id=8835209

I replied to your message to be, but since I have never done a messge before I am not sure you got it. Did you?

[clueless]

I don't think it's on for another hour, not sure though. I can't help but think of all the people's lives who have been turned upside down by murder. Is there no respect left for a human life anymore?

Funny you mention that. I was thinking the same thing this morning. Not only this case, but of ALL the cases..I'm beginning to believe if you ask anyone on the street, practically any town; let alone city, if they ever had a homocide effect their life..it would be unbelievable.

[desmom]

Is the Pantagrah a regular newspaper or is it one of those gossip newspapers? It looks like a regular one to me online, but I don't know for sure.

It is a regular newspaper. jmo

[JoAnn]

just speculation and imo

You know, I can't get past this thought and this has tugged at me since the arrests of the two brothers....it is purely a thought...but when Chris was arrested..he told his dad and stepmom 'that he didnt do it..that he didnt kill anyone and the killer was still out there"...so when his brother Jason was arrested and charged with the same charges..in a weird sort of way Chris had actually told the truth for the killer was still out there..his brother!

Today I pulled up a old article from the pantagraph...

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7392e1a6-b41e-11de-827b-001cc4c002e0.html

where (this was prior to Jason's arrest)..Jason said:

"My brother is innocent -- 100 percent," Jason Harris, 22, of Armington, told a reporter.

Now I know..WHO would believe ANYTHING someone who is accused of these horrendous murders would say...so I am only playing "what if"

But what if Chris and Jason were both telling the truth..that Chris did not kill anyone. Now I know what everyone will say...and I am NOT saying that he didnt participate..for evidence links him to the scene, but there is just something about Chris that just pulls at me and I have to at least leave this open for a option in my theories (notice the plural on theories)..that maybe Chris was THERE and PRESENT..maybe even participated (which does not lessen the crime in the eyes of the law) but what if he did not actually kill anyone? what if both boys were telling the truth in a weird twisted way...

[IM4Truth]

just speculation and imo

You know, I can't get past this thought and this has tugged at me since the arrests of the two brothers....it is purely a thought...but when Chris was arrested..he told his dad and stepmom 'that he didnt do it..that he didnt kill anyone and the killer was still out there"...so when his brother Jason was arrested and charged with the same charges..in a weird sort of way Chris had actually told the truth for the killer was still out there..his brother!

Today I pulled up a old article from the pantagraph...

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7392e1a6-b41e-11de-827b-001cc4c002e0.html

where (this was prior to Jason's arrest)..Jason said:

"My brother is innocent -- 100 percent," Jason Harris, 22, of Armington, told a reporter.

Now I know..WHO would believe ANYTHING someone who is accused of these horrendous murders would say...so I am only playing "what if"

But what if Chris and Jason were both telling the truth..that Chris did not kill anyone. Now I know what everyone will say...and I am NOT saying that he didnt participate..for evidence links him to the scene, but there is just something about Chris that just pulls at me and I have to at least leave this open for a option in my theories (notice the plural on theories)..that maybe Chris was THERE and PRESENT..maybe even participated (which does not lessen the crime in the eyes of the law) but what if he did not actually kill anyone? what if both boys were telling the truth in a weird twisted way...

You have a good point, but I'm sticking with my theory that they both had equal parts in this. If Chris was there while Jason was killing Chris's ex inlaws, why didn't Chris try to stop him, or save some of them let them run for help, call 911? I believe that both of the accused statements are nothing but smokescreens trying to push the investigation off on someone else. We won't know for sure until we hear the evidence and even then we may not be for sure. Have I convicted them already? No, but I do believe that LE has arrested the right people.

[JoAnn]

You have a good point, but I'm sticking with my theory that they both had equal parts in this. If Chris was there while Jason was killing Chris's ex inlaws, why didn't Chris try to stop him, or save some of them let them run for help, call 911? I believe that both of the accused statements are nothing but smokescreens trying to push the investigation off on someone else. We won't know for sure until we hear the evidence and even then we may not be for sure. Have I convicted them already? No, but I do believe that LE has arrested the right people.
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yea...I know I actually DO think they arrested the right people..and agree with what you have to say..but there is just something that pulls at me about Chris...but yet I feel he was most definitely present and probably much more than present ..for the arrests were based on evidence collected at the scene...maybe I am just a wimp when someone cries.....this is just the most horrific murder crime and no way for us to make any sense of it without more facts that we don't have.

[corbi77]

What bothers me about what Chris said to his dad and step mom, "that the murderer is still out there, lock your doors" is if Chris thought or knew that Jason was a part of this, just telling dad to lock his door is not going to protect him against Jason.

I have had thoughts that maybe someone was looking for Rick and Chris showed them where they lived or possibly even drove them there without knowledge of what was going to happen.

Still feeling that drugs are some how involved in this, could it be that Chris told someone where to find some and Rick refused to sell to that person?

I agree there is just something tugging at me about Chris that doesn't feel right either. Plus the fact that Tabitha is still being guarded. If they know they have the right people, why is she still under guard? I have even gone so far to wonder if maybe Chris and Jason have been arrested for their own safety, and that is why nothing is being released.

[GentleBreeze]

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yea...I know I actually DO think they arrested the right people..and agree with what you have to say..but there is just something that pulls at me about Chris...but yet I feel he was most definitely present and probably much more than present ..for the arrests were based on evidence collected at the scene...maybe I am just a wimp when someone cries.....this is just the most horrific murder crime and no way for us to make any sense of it without more facts that we don't have.

I think they arrested the right people too. I don't think that either of these two were "just there" when it happened. I think both participated in the murders/attempted murder and the forensic evidence is going to show this and they already have some of that evidence back since they fast tracked it. Since Chris was arrested first I think the evidence found then pointed directly toward him at the time. Now the ISP has had more time to analyze further evidence and I think that is why Jason was also arrested. Imo, they are both guilty as the sin they are accused of committing.

Seeing a defendant cry imo for themselves that they have been caught has never made me have sympathy for them. So Chris crying doesn't phase me. Just like the fact that he was known as a "nice guy" before these horrible depraved crimes happened. Many defendants were known for their mild nice guy/gal demeanor yet it was proven in court that at the time of the murders they were nothing like they had been perceived in the past.

IMO

[Katherine]

I think they arrested the right people too. I don't think that either of these two were "just there" when it happened. I think both participated in the murders/attempted murder and the forensic evidence is going to show this and they already have some of that evidence back since they fast tracked it. Since Chris was arrested first I think the evidence found then pointed directly toward him at the time. Now the ISP has had more time to analyze further evidence and I think that is why Jason was also arrested. Imo, they are both guilty as the sin they are accused of committing.

Seeing a defendant cry imo for themselves that they have been caught has never made me have sympathy for them. So Chris crying doesn't phase me. Just like the fact that he was known as a "nice guy" before these horrible depraved crimes happened. Many defendants were known for their mild nice guy/gal demeanor yet it was proven in court that at the time of the murders they were nothing like they had been perceived in the past.

IMO

Agree that many a "nice guy" have been convicted of horrific crimes, and also am certain that law enforcement have arrested the right men. However, I am very curious still as to why the brothers were there together, and am somewhat leaning that maybe Jason was the stronger (mentally) of the Harris boys. I wonder if Jason instigated this from the beginning, and Chris went along with his brother. His crying didn't get to me as much as the statements he made and those made about him by others. I am by no means saying I think he is innocent, just am throwing around the idea that Chris may have been the follower.

Since we haven't received any indication of the motive, my mind is going off on tangents.

[Katherine]

Does anyone know the status of Tabitha? And are law enforcement still at the hospital with her? TennB?

[IM4Truth]

Agree that many a "nice guy" have been convicted of horrific crimes, and also am certain that law enforcement have arrested the right men. However, I am very curious still as to why the brothers were there together, and am somewhat leaning that maybe Jason was the stronger (mentally) of the Harris boys. I wonder if Jason instigated this from the beginning, and Chris went along with his brother. His crying didn't get to me as much as the statements he made and those made about him by others. I am by no means saying I think he is innocent, just am throwing around the idea that Chris may have been the follower.

Since we haven't received any indication of the motive, my mind is going off on tangents.

What is the age difference in them? maybe 8 years? I wonder if they share the same mother? Anyone know?

[JoAnn]

What bothers SNIPPED

I agree there is just something tugging at me about Chris that doesn't feel right either. Plus the fact that Tabitha is still being guarded. If they know they have the right people, why is she still under guard? I have even gone so far to wonder if maybe Chris and Jason have been arrested for their own safety, and that is why nothing is being released.
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As I had mentioned in my post..I can't quite understand WHY I have this unsettled feeling about Chris..for obviously he was there and obviously he participated...for I believe 100 percent in the evidence found that caused Chris and Jason both to be arrested..I am only thinking that maybe he didn't do the killing blows..that what he said was true "I didnt kill anyone" but in the realm of what has happened...does it even really matter?..for he was obviously there to leave physical evidence behind and very possibly was injured himself leaving even more evidence behind... and as pointed out..even if true that he didn't kill anyone...he didn't stop the murders either and didnt go to the authorities.. .So why do I have this 'feeling' about Chris and not Jason?

[JoAnn]

What is the age difference in them? maybe 8 years? I wonder if they share the same mother? Anyone know?

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I dont know anything about the mom..but I do think that they look a lot alike in some of the other casual photos posted.

[corbi77]

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As I had mentioned in my post..I can't quite understand WHY I have this unsettled feeling about Chris..for obviously he was there and obviously he participated...for I believe 100 percent in the evidence found that caused Chris and Jason both to be arrested..I am only thinking that maybe he didn't do the killing blows..that what he said was true "I didnt kill anyone" but in the realm of what has happened...does it even really matter?..for he was obviously there to leave physical evidence behind and very possibly was injured himself leaving even more evidence behind... and as pointed out..even if true that he didn't kill anyone...he didn't stop the murders either and didnt go to the authorities.. .So why do I have this 'feeling' about Chris and not Jason?

I can't explain the "feelings" either, but if you get it figured out will you share them with me? LOL I am not having as much trouble thinking that possibly Jason is guilty, and can't even figure out why that is, but just can not make myself believe that Chris is. If LE did not find evidence at Chris's, Jason's, Nicole's or the Dads, then where in the world could they have cleaned up?

Maybe, some of these "feelings" are because there just is no motive I can conceive, for these brothers to have done this, when things were going well for them. Yet, if like people are saying, that Rick was involved with drugs ( only rumors, to my knowledge) then that leads to others besides these brothers to having motives.

[GentleBreeze]

Maybe I am not picking up why some think that Jason is the ring leader and the one that orchestrated what happened. Has it been said somewhere that Chris did what Jason said to do? Imo, usually the older brother has much more control over young siblings who may look up to them.

Jason being the heavy just seems illogical to me since the Gee family were the ex in-laws of Chris's not Jason's.

I think Chris was the one in charge and sought his younger brother's help and out of loyalty Jason was willing to go along with him.

I don't think either one had to be talked into going to the Gees with the intent to kill them all.

imo

[corbi77]

With as much questioning as they have done with Nicole, I would think that if any marks were found on Chris, they would have gotten that out of her, and she too arrested as Jennifer was for obstruction. So again, I can not understand how something this horrific could happen, yet no marks, no clothes, and apparently the drains tested clear.

If Chris and Jason had left in Chris's truck, where could they have gone to clean it out, and do such a good job, that it sat right in public view all that time? If they had gone to a car wash, I would think someone somewhere would have seen them. Also if they got cleaned up first, wouldn't they get dirty again, when they got back into the truck to go clean it out? I also don't understand why, when they both lived a little north of there,(and the dogs got a scent of them heading north through the bean fields) why would they go east and south to the Clinton hospital if they were injured? To many things still unanswered for me.
That just seems like to much traveling for me if they wanted to stay out of sight. Commit the murders, go home, clean up, leave, clean the truck, then go to hospital? They surely didn't drive the truck to the hospital and leave it sit there dirty, and with them still full of blood.

[GentleBreeze]

With as much questioning as they have done with Nicole, I would think that if any marks were found on Chris, they would have gotten that out of her, and she too arrested as Jennifer was for obstruction. So again, I can not understand how something this horrific could happen, yet no marks, no clothes, and apparently the drains tested clear.
If Chris and Jason had left in Chris's truck, where could they have gone to clean it out, and do such a good job, that it sat right in public view all that time? If they had gone to a car wash, I would think someone somewhere would have seen them. Also if they got cleaned up first, wouldn't they get dirty again, when they got back into the truck to go clean it out? I also don't understand why, when they both lived a little north of there,(and the dogs got a scent of them heading north through the bean fields) why would they go east and south to the Clinton hospital if they were injured? To many things still unanswered for me.
That just seems like to much traveling for me if they wanted to stay out of sight. Commit the murders, go home, clean up, leave, clean the truck, then go to hospital? They surely didn't drive the truck to the hospital and leave it sit there dirty, and with them still full of blood.


BBM

I don't think we really know the answers whether either one had scratches or bruises. LE has not released the results on any evidence gleamed from what was tested. Debbie Harris sure wouldn't be told the results one way or the other about the drain test, imo. She was assuming that right after LE came and tested. That too would have to be sent off for analysis by forensic experts with ISP.

There is a subpoena for John Warner Hospital. So I am not so sure that Chris did not receive injuries. They may have been where clothing would cover them up and he may have made sure Nicole did not see them.

If these crimes happened around midnight and they victims were found at 4:30 pm that afternoon that was more than ample time to clean up the truck, discard clothing and put on clean clothes.

imo

[clueless]

With as much questioning as they have done with Nicole, I would think that if any marks were found on Chris, they would have gotten that out of her, and she too arrested as Jennifer was for obstruction. So again, I can not understand how something this horrific could happen, yet no marks, no clothes, and apparently the drains tested clear.

If Chris and Jason had left in Chris's truck, where could they have gone to clean it out, and do such a good job, that it sat right in public view all that time? If they had gone to a car wash, I would think someone somewhere would have seen them. Also if they got cleaned up first, wouldn't they get dirty again, when they got back into the truck to go clean it out? I also don't understand why, when they both lived a little north of there,(and the dogs got a scent of them heading north through the bean fields) why would they go east and south to the Clinton hospital if they were injured? To many things still unanswered for me.
That just seems like to much traveling for me if they wanted to stay out of sight. Commit the murders, go home, clean up, leave, clean the truck, then go to hospital? They surely didn't drive the truck to the hospital and leave it sit there dirty, and with them still full of blood.


Good question. What vehicle, if any, did they "get away" in. Just because someone saw "the" truck at midnight, does not prove that was indeed the vehicle they might have driven away in. I don't know anything about ATV's. How far they can go on a fill up, etc. Is that a possiblity? No way..no how can any blood be cleaned up in a vehicle where they could not find it.
Is it possible that "someone" in an unidentified vehicle playing the get away car could have been waiting up the road? Are there strip mines or quarries where a person could dump a car around there? I know that's pretty far out there....but....? JMO

[corbi77]

You are right, I guess we don't know the results of the tub drains etc. I just was thinking that if something had been found in Jason's house they probably would have sealed it off with evidence tape too.

Does that mean to you that most likely nothing was found at Debbie Harris's home, or Nicoles, if they were not arrested for obstruction too? I suppose they wouldn't be arrested though, unless they themselves had lied or tried to conceal.

My mind is just jumping from one thing to another, trying to figure this out, and put together the few pieces we do have, which is nothing at this point.

[corbi77]

If there was someone waiting on the road for them, then that clearly says there IS still someone else out there, and would most likely make it premeditated.
I do know they have searched some nearby ponds, but do not know of any quarries or mines in the area.

[clueless]

If there was someone waiting on the road for them, then that clearly says there IS still someone else out there, and would most likely make it premeditated.
I do know they have searched some nearby ponds, but do not know of any quarries or mines in the area.

As stated above, they had ample time to dispose of any junkard. They could have put the clothes in that and driven alot of miles to get rid of it and back home clean as a whistle. They could have also clean up at that water hole. Yet if someone else, other than the people we know about already, is involved, the needed evidence would be with them. JMO.

Gentlebreeze----What does BBM mean? Sorry, duh.

[clueless]

Corbi77, you stated some very good questions. We don't know if he went to the Clinton Hospital THAT night...He could have gone upstate, downstate, etc for any serious wounds and then to Clinton later. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

As stated above, they had ample time to dispose of any junkard. They could have put the clothes in that and driven alot of miles to get rid of it and back home clean as a whistle. They could have also clean up at that water hole. Yet if someone else, other than the people we know about already, is involved, the needed evidence would be with them. JMO.

Gentlebreeze----What does BBM mean? Sorry, duh.

Sorry clueless.

BBM means "Bolded By Me" like I did your last sentence.

[JoAnn]

I can't explain the "feelings" either, but if you get it figured out will you share them with me? LOL I am not having as much trouble thinking that possibly Jason is guilty, and can't even figure out why that is, but just can not make myself believe that Chris is. If LE did not find evidence at Chris's, Jason's, Nicole's or the Dads, then where in the world could they have cleaned up?

Maybe, some of these "feelings" are because there just is no motive I can conceive, for these brothers to have done this, when things were going well for them. Yet, if like people are saying, that Rick was involved with drugs ( only rumors, to my knowledge) then that leads to others besides these brothers to having motives.
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I suppose it is possible they cleaned up at the murder scene...???

[JoAnn]

SNIPPED// can any blood be cleaned up in a vehicle where they could not find it.
Is it possible that "someone" in an unidentified vehicle playing the get away car could have been waiting up the road? Are there strip mines or quarries where a person could dump a car around there? I know that's pretty far out there....but....? JMO
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Though Sheriff Nichols said he expected no more arrests...which throws a wrench into thoughts of having a third unknown party, unless THAT person has come forward and offered evidence and testimony for promise of immunity... and is it possible that Jason and Chris became suspects maybe even before evidence was processed?..I also have wondered if Duncan had a rented car (if she flew to Illinois from Florida) and if it was "borrowed" that night, cleaned up and then returned to rental agency. It is possible that she might not have known about it...and maybe if they really planned and thought this out ahead of time that they could have covered the seats with plastic or heavy blankets...

so many What IFs..which is all we can do is play that game..and we may just very well stumble into the truth..but wonder if we will recognize it if it happens.

[clueless]

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I suppose it is possible they cleaned up at the murder scene...???

Could be, but totaly stupid on their part. Can't imagine doing something like that and then taking the time to clean up. You would think they would want to get the rip out of there. But your right JoAnn it is a possiblity. It's happened in other homocide cases.

[JoAnn]

Sorry clueless.

BBM means "Bolded By Me" like I did your last sentence.

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Thanks ...I didn't know either

[JoAnn]

Could be, but totaly stupid on their part. Can't imagine doing something like that and then taking the time to clean up. You would think they would want to get the rip out of there. But your right JoAnn it is a possiblity. It's happened in other homocide cases.
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logic tells you they would get the heck out of Dodge so to speak...and not hang around..the thought of that is actually horrifying to think about, the coldness a person would have to have to do that...but yet..good question for WHERE did they clean up? Garden hose? Pool? hot tub?
Could they have checked into a motel somewhere?

[JoAnn]

SNIPPED

My mind is just jumping from one thing to another, trying to figure this out, and put together the few pieces we do have, which is nothing at this point.

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Isn't that just the truth! I go to bed thinking about HOW this thing could have played out...to much we don't know. Even a hint at a motive would satisfy most of us.....why why why this happened.

[JoAnn]

Good question. What vehicle, if any, did they "get away" in. Just because someone saw "the" truck at midnight, does not prove that was indeed the vehicle they might have driven away in. JMO

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Just a thought..but we don't KNOW WHO saw the truck...might not be connected to this at all, the truck would have been a stranger passing thru so to speak...or it could be there never was a truck, and someone fabricated it. You know there are people that want to help so bad that they come forward with a bit of info that is greatly embellished for their need to be important to the investigation.

For WHY would Chris leave his truck parked in plain view if it were the truck involved in the crime. Now that makes no sense at all unless it is the theory of hiding in plain sight. But that would be a calculated risk unless he knew the truck were not involved. It would be incredibly stupid to drive your own vehicle to commit a murder. And from the video I saw of the area where the Gee's lived, it appeared it was a little neighborhood with houses fairly close..so why would they risk having their vehicle seen....unless of course they parked a ways off and walked to the house. Which might explain WHY they were searching the fields around the house.

Someone mentioned a ATV earlier, I certainly wouldn't discount that thought for we saw one in some of Chris's photos.

[clueless]

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logic tells you they would get the heck out of Dodge so to speak...and not hang around..the thought of that is actually horrifying to think about, the coldness a person would have to have to do that...but yet..good question for WHERE did they clean up? Garden hose? Pool? hot tub?
Could they have checked into a motel somewhere?

Could have been any of these, but I would think someone "clean" would have to register them at the motel. Yes, someone would have to be cold (morbid) to clean up there, but it's pretty darn cold to brutally kill 5 family members, including children, plus Tabitha's intended murder.

[clueless]

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Just a thought..but we don't KNOW WHO saw the truck...might not be connected to this at all, the truck would have been a stranger passing thru so to speak...or it could be there never was a truck, and someone fabricated it. You know there are people that want to help so bad that they come forward with a bit of info that is greatly embellished for their need to be important to the investigation.

For WHY would Chris leave his truck parked in plain view if it were the truck involved in the crime. Now that makes no sense at all unless it is the theory of hiding in plain sight. But that would be a calculated risk unless he knew the truck were not involved. It would be incredibly stupid to drive your own vehicle to commit a murder. And from the video I saw of the area where the Gee's lived, it appeared it was a little neighborhood with houses fairly close..so why would they risk having their vehicle seen....unless of course they parked a ways off and walked to the house. Which might explain WHY they were searching the fields around the house.Someone mentioned a ATV earlier, I certainly wouldn't discount that thought for we saw one in some of Chris's photos.

That's why I'm thinking another "mysterious" vehicle is involved. Any and all evidence could have been gathered in that and disappeared. The clothes, the murder weapon(s), the blood and other evidence left by them. If in fact there was a rental car from Duncan, I'm sure LE has followed thru. Possible it could be "impounded" in McLean Co or somewhere else? So many questions...

[clueless]

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Thanks ...I didn't know either

Yes, ty GB for that explanation. Everytime I saw BBM my brain kept saying "what is that?". Didn't put the two together.

[Amy]

BBM

I don't think we really know the answers whether either one had scratches or bruises. LE has not released the results on any evidence gleamed from what was tested. Debbie Harris sure wouldn't be told the results one way or the other about the drain test, imo. She was assuming that right after LE came and tested. That too would have to be sent off for analysis by forensic experts with ISP.

There is a subpoena for John Warner Hospital. So I am not so sure that Chris did not receive injuries. They may have been where clothing would cover them up and he may have made sure Nicole did not see them.

If these crimes happened around midnight and they victims were found at 4:30 pm that afternoon that was more than ample time to clean up the truck, discard clothing and put on clean clothes.

imo

BBM

That's what I was thinking, but tho't I might have missed some posts when it is posted about no evidence found @ the other houses. I was thinking the only statement about whether or not LE took evidence from the other houses was attributed to Debbie Harris, not to LE.

They also haven't revealed what evidence they found in the Gee home, and it very well could include evidence that the major cleanup of the perps might have happened in the Gee home. Clean up enough to get into a vehicle w/out getting it all messed up, too. There is always the possibility that they could have stripped down, put their clothing in plastic bags, showered off, maybe taken some clothing of Rick's (didn't have to even be a particularly good fit, just enough for being decent if your own clothes are now unavailable.)

Just because LE hasn't found (that we know of) bloody clothing belonging to the Harris' or anyone else doesn't mean it isn't around. Just that it was disposed of well enough that no one has found it. IMO

[desmom]

Timoney planning Beason slayings defense
http://www.sj-r.com/news/x536354029/Timoney-planning-strategy-for-defense-in-Beason-slayings

Sister seeking more information about Duncan's arrest in Beason case
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2e9067e0-b9eb-11de-bd0d-001cc4c002e0.html

This morning one of the local news channels reported Attorney General Lisa Madigan is investigating Logan County's practice of sealing search warrants.

[JoAnn]

BBM

That's what I was thinking, but tho't I might have missed some posts when it is posted about no evidence found @ the other houses. I was thinking the only statement about whether or not LE took evidence from the other houses was attributed to Debbie Harris, not to LE.

They also haven't revealed what evidence they found in the Gee home, and it very well could include evidence that the major cleanup of the perps might have happened in the Gee home. Clean up enough to get into a vehicle w/out getting it all messed up, too. There is always the possibility that they could have stripped down, put their clothing in plastic bags, showered off, maybe taken some clothing of Rick's (didn't have to even be a particularly good fit, just enough for being decent if your own clothes are now unavailable.)

Just because LE hasn't found (that we know of) bloody clothing belonging to the Harris' or anyone else doesn't mean it isn't around. Just that it was disposed of well enough that no one has found it. IMO

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saw a movie once (yea I know it was just a movie) where the killer stripped before the murders...then showered at the vicitms and put on his own clothes and left..

[GentleBreeze]

Timoney planning Beason slayings defense
http://www.sj-r.com/news/x536354029/Timoney-planning-strategy-for-defense-in-Beason-slayings

Sister seeking more information about Duncan's arrest in Beason case
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2e9067e0-b9eb-11de-bd0d-001cc4c002e0.html

This morning one of the local news channels reported Attorney General Lisa Madigan is investigating Logan County's practice of sealing search warrants.

It seems Timoney is almost positive this is going to be a death penalty case.

imo

[JoAnn]

Timoney planning Beason slayings defense
http://www.sj-r.com/news/x536354029/Timoney-planning-strategy-for-defense-in-Beason-slayings

Sister seeking more information about Duncan's arrest in Beason case
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2e9067e0-b9eb-11de-bd0d-001cc4c002e0.html

This morning one of the local news channels reported Attorney General Lisa Madigan is investigating Logan County's practice of sealing search warrants.

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I don't get the sealed search warrant thing. IMO .apparently they have done this for YEARS and no one has opposed it..I believe this may have been a small town practice for them for ever ....and they never updated their system even with new rulings..and until now no one has questioned it or challenged it. So this could have an interesting outcome.

[GentleBreeze]

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I don't get the sealed search warrant thing. IMO .apparently they have done this for YEARS and no one has opposed it..I believe this may have been a small town practice for them for ever ....and they never updated their system even with new rulings..and until now no one has questioned it or challenged it. So this could have an interesting outcome.

I have seen where some Judges will seal certain search warrants and also will seal the autopsy reports but I have never seen a jurisdiction that does it all the time.:confused:

I think the media has opposed it for a long time but have gotten no where.


imo

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.mywebtimes.com/archives/ottawa/display.php?id=390113

Legal experts say the Logan County situation is unique.

'What you've been exposed to (in Logan County) is what I call county search warrant voodoo,' said Steven Beckett, a University of Illinois law professor. 'The practice you're describing, that's from another land, not Illinois.'

'There should be transparency in all law enforcement activity,' Beckett said.

[GentleBreeze]

I noted that according to the article in the paper they did not say both brother's. They said death penalty for Jason or Chris. Makes me wonder now if they are alluding to only one of the brothers actually killed this family and the other looked on. hmmmm.

Good possibility that one of these brothers did not participate in the actual murders. Dunno.:confused:

I think this is because Timoney is the one speaking out in the article and he is Chris Harris' public defender.

I believe Skelton has been assigned as Jason Harris' attorney.

I think the DA is most likely going to go for the death penalty on both defendants.

IMO

[fastpitch]

Maybe the brothers walked to the Gee house from Nicole's. Walked back. Changed clothes. Then, got in the truck and went and disposed of the clothes.

They also could have worn protective clothing over their clothes. They could have learned that from movies.

iirc, the truck was only seen in Beason and not at the home.

[Amy]

I noted that according to the article in the paper they did not say both brother's. They said death penalty for Jason or Chris. Makes me wonder now if they are alluding to only one of the brothers actually killed this family and the other looked on. hmmmm.

Good possibility that one of these brothers did not participate in the actual murders. Dunno.:confused:

OR, possibly that if one of them sings, he would not get the DP?

[Lucy]

As stated above, they had ample time to dispose of any junkard. They could have put the clothes in that and driven alot of miles to get rid of it and back home clean as a whistle. They could have also clean up at that water hole. Yet if someone else, other than the people we know about already, is involved, the needed evidence would be with them. JMO.

Gentlebreeze----What does BBM mean? Sorry, duh.

I just dont think you could go to a junkyard drive down the road a lot of miles then come back clean as a whistle. Who is going to take a chance of getting pulled over for some minor traffic issue covered in blood? Makes no sense.

What's also going on in Logan County that they wont release warrants?
Is maybe some of what people saying about Logan County true? I've read a lot about them being a corrupt county, Just tends to lead me to believe there's something wrong when every other county in the state of Illinois has to have search warrants open but they have not opened them in over 9 years? Why what are they hiding? I'm sure those cases in 9 years had been tried. Why are they sealed? Sounds very suspicious to me. How can they get by with this?

[fastpitch]

Amy, I misunderstood you at first. I thought "One of them is a singer?"
Oh, duh.

[Amy]

Amy, I misunderstood you at first. I thought "One of them is a singer?"
Oh, duh.

lol. Now, I have this vision in my head of one of them w/a guitar singing "Jailhouse Rock" or "I'm in the Jailhouse Now."

[IlliniFan]

Woman charged in obstructing Beason case transported to Illinois

LINCOLN -- A Florida woman charged with obstructing justice in the murder investigation of five members of a Beason family has been returned to Illinois to face charges.

Sara Duncan was processed at the Logan County Safety complex Sunday before being housed in Macon County, according to a spokeswoman for the Illinois Attorney General's office. Duncan was arrested Oct. 9 in Sarasota, Fla., On Oct. 9 and accused of providing a false alibi for Christopher J. Harris.

(snipped)


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_60ecf080-bce5-11de-a680-001cc4c03286.html

[AmndaRcknwth]

This is interesting.

Sara in Macon county jail. Chris Harris and Jennifer Earnest in Logan county jail, Jason Harris in McLean county jail.

Why? So they cannot communicate with each other? Is this a normal procedure with multiple suspects in one murder(s) case?

[CaliforniaGr]

This is interesting.

Sara in Macon county jail. Chris Harris and Jennifer Earnest in Logan county jail, Jason Harris in McLean county jail.

Why? So they cannot communicate with each other? Is this a normal procedure with multiple suspects in one murder(s) case?

How far apart are these three counties? Right next to each other or separated by another county. I can't find them on a map.

[sinagua]

IL. counties map. http://web.library.uiuc.edu/asp/inp/database/mapsearch.asp

Macon is Decatur, IL. and McClean is Bloomington, IL. All surrounding counties would be smaller.

See middle of map.

[CaliforniaGr]

IL. counties map. http://web.library.uiuc.edu/asp/inp/database/mapsearch.asp

Macon is Decatur, IL. and McClean is Bloomington, IL. All surrounding counties would be smaller.

See middle of map.

Thanks! I see now. Wow. They all look so teeny tiny to me compared to Cali's huge counties!

[JoAnn]

OR, possibly that if one of them sings, he would not get the DP?

IMO I certainly would not be surprised if one of them, did testify against the other one and receive something in return however if the evidence is really strong against both of them..there is no need to have a plea or a bargain deal they will go for the maximum penalty for both.

I still hold with my original thought which you all know by now..that Chris is the weak link and that I think it is slightly possible that he did not strike killing blows..(his words to his dad and step mom.."I didn't kill anyone." But I feel he WAS there and he DID participate or they wouldn't have had the evidence to go out and arrest him.

This is a total complete far stretch even for me..about as far as my mind allows me to stretch this possibility...IF Chris was not the instigator, (giant IF here) is it possible he COULD have tried to stop it and that is how he became injured..if indeed he really was injured..? I know I know this is reaching pretty far out there...

[JoAnn]

Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn says he has no immediate plans to lift the state's moratorium on the death penalty.

The Democrat who last week replaced ousted former Gov. Rod Blagojevich says he supports capital punishment. But he says he worries innocent people have been sent to Illinois' death row.

During a visit to Collinsville on Friday, Quinn said he wants to make sure there are adequate safeguards to make sure no one is put to death improperly in Illinois. He says that would weigh on everyone's conscience.

Imprisoned former Gov. George Ryan declared a moratorium on executions in Illinois in 2000. Ryan commuted the sentence of every inmate on death row, citing a number of wrongful convictions.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/06/illinois-keeping-death-pe_n_164767.html

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The death penalty may actually be a mute issue if the moratorium is still in effect..this article was dated Feb of this year.

[IM4Truth]

IMO I certainly would not be surprised if one of them, did testify against the other one and receive something in return however if the evidence is really strong against both of them..there is no need to have a plea or a bargain deal they will go for the maximum penalty for both.

I still hold with my original thought which you all know by now..that Chris is the weak link and that I think it is slightly possible that he did not strike killing blows..(his words to his dad and step mom.."I didn't kill anyone." But I feel he WAS there and he DID participate or they wouldn't have had the evidence to go out and arrest him.

This is a total complete far stretch even for me..about as far as my mind allows me to stretch this possibility...IF Chris was not the instigator, (giant IF here) is it possible he COULD have tried to stop it and that is how he became injured..if indeed he really was injured..? I know I know this is reaching pretty far out there...

I don't think either brother will turn on the other. The info is going to come from Jennifer or Sara or even Nicole.

[JoAnn]

I just dont think you could go to a junkyard drive down the road a lot of miles then come back clean as a whistle. Who is going to take a chance of getting pulled over for some minor traffic issue covered in blood? Makes no sense.

What's also going on in Logan County that they wont release warrants?
Is maybe some of what people saying about Logan County true? I've read a lot about them being a corrupt county, Just tends to lead me to believe there's something wrong when every other county in the state of Illinois has to have search warrants open but they have not opened them in over 9 years? Why what are they hiding? I'm sure those cases in 9 years had been tried. Why are they sealed? Sounds very suspicious to me. How can they get by with this?
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sounds a bit like the good old boys club...something from the past that no one bothered to update and just kept doing it because that is the way they have always done it.

They make very well be in violation themselves for their practice of sealing all warrants especially when a ruling was made saying search warrants had to be made public. It may not be deliberate defiance, but suspect it is because it is a small town and they just kept doing things the old way...but not a very good excuse is that?

[clueless]

[QUOTE=Lucy;13571454]I just dont think you could go to a junkyard drive down the road a lot of miles then come back clean as a whistle. Who is going to take a chance of getting pulled over for some minor traffic issue covered in blood? Makes no sense.

I didn't say junkyard. I said JUNKARD slang for slang JUNKER. Have you driven around rural IL or even I-55 at anytime? Lots of them on the road. You can go for miles on back roads there in the early morning hours and never meet another car. Some are nothing but "cowpaths", but if your a hunter, fisherman, camper, etc. your aware of them. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think either brother will turn on the other. The info is going to come from Jennifer or Sara or even Nicole.

If Jennifer or Sara knows anything they need to start singing like a canary or they too are going to do jail time.

Dang if I would go to jail for someone else but then I would never give anyone a false alibi either.

imo

[clueless]

IMO I certainly would not be surprised if one of them, did testify against the other one and receive something in return however if the evidence is really strong against both of them..there is no need to have a plea or a bargain deal they will go for the maximum penalty for both.

I still hold with my original thought which you all know by now..that Chris is the weak link and that I think it is slightly possible that he did not strike killing blows..(his words to his dad and step mom.."I didn't kill anyone." But I feel he WAS there and he DID participate or they wouldn't have had the evidence to go out and arrest him.

This is a total complete far stretch even for me..about as far as my mind allows me to stretch this possibility...IF Chris was not the instigator, (giant IF here) is it possible he COULD have tried to stop it and that is how he became injured..if indeed he really was injured..? I know I know this is reaching pretty far out there...

I think it's a possiblity. I am a firm believer that all things are possible, maybe not probable. As someone mentioned way earlier on this post; too bad he just didn't walk away from the situation (or run). If it happened like that, it would have put him in a terrible situation with Jason being his brother. I don't think any of us know for sure what we would have done.

[CaliforniaGr]

Does anyone have the link or know where the old post is of Gerald Miller sitting in his van with his current wife/girlfriend? Just wanted to look again. And does anyone remember her name? Thanks

[clueless]

Sara has 5 counts of obstuction: http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1579583215/Woman-jailed-here-in-Gee-case

[clueless]

Does anyone have the link or know where the old post is of Gerald Miller sitting in his van with his current wife/girlfriend? Just wanted to look again. And does anyone remember her name? Thanks

I think you'll find it(pic) on the LINKS thread under PHOTOBUCKET. Her name is Terry or Terri, not sure which.

[Katherine]

Does anyone have the link or know where the old post is of Gerald Miller sitting in his van with his current wife/girlfriend? Just wanted to look again. And does anyone remember her name? Thanks

This might work too.

http://www2.pantagraph.com/shared-content/gallery/?galleryid=4&gallery_page=0&album_page=0&albumid=1170&mediaid=27912

[desmom]

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I don't get the sealed search warrant thing. IMO .apparently they have done this for YEARS and no one has opposed it..I believe this may have been a small town practice for them for ever ....and they never updated their system even with new rulings..and until now no one has questioned it or challenged it. So this could have an interesting outcome.

It doesn't happen in just Logan County. It also happens in Sangamon County, home to the state capitol - Springfield. jmo

[clueless]

Motion for reduction of bond---Jennifer :http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF177,IL054025JL2009CF177D1

[JoAnn]

It doesn't happen in just Logan County. It also happens in Sangamon County, home to the state capitol - Springfield. jmo

I don't get it? Maybe it is more common than we know and no one has ever challenged it.

[JoAnn]

This might work too.

http://www2.pantagraph.com/shared-content/gallery/?galleryid=4&gallery_page=0&album_page=0&albumid=1170&mediaid=27912

I actually posted it..let me see if I can find it by searching my posts...

[GentleBreeze]

Sara has 5 counts of obstuction: http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1579583215/Woman-jailed-here-in-Gee-case

5 COUNTS???:ohmy: My gosh what has this woman done. She had to do something more than give him a false alibi.

imo

[JoAnn]

I actually posted it..let me see if I can find it by searching my posts...

http://www.pantagraph.com/image_d3aaa78e-b515-11de-9481-001cc4c002e0.html

[JoAnn]

5 COUNTS???:ohmy: My gosh what has this woman done. She had to do something more than give him a false alibi.

imo

Five????? could they have added the other four charges after she arrived here...but WHAAAAT???? Unless she lied about everyone Jennifer, Jason and Chris and maybe herself.....would that be a separate charge for each person she lied about, that doesn't seem right...has to be much more than what we are all thinking of... what what what is going on.

All obstruction charges...which means she did something to impede the investigation, which could of course be lying, tampering with evidence, destroying or concealing evidence....this is a very complicated case.

[clueless]

It doesn't happen in just Logan County. It also happens in Sangamon County, home to the state capitol - Springfield. jmo

Wouldn't a temporary sealed warrant be necessary/admissable in an on going murder investigation? Wouldn't that be up to the judge to decide? I'm learning here.

[Katherine]

5 COUNTS???:ohmy: My gosh what has this woman done. She had to do something more than give him a false alibi.

imo


This might be a stupid question, but could it be one count per victim?

[desmom]

Wouldn't a temporary sealed warrant be necessary/admissable in an on going murder investigation? Wouldn't that be up to the judge to decide? I'm learning here.

I am learning right along with you. I think I know more about FL law from following the Caylee Anthony case, than I do about IL.

This was reported on October 15, by http://www.lincolncourier.com/homepage/x1801866910/Logan-search-warrants-remain-secret

Not a single search warrant filed during the past year is accessible to the public in Logan County, where the circuit clerk says it is possible that no search-warrant files have been made public in nearly a decade

I found this story also. It was published October 10.
http://www.sj-r.com/news/x593079851/Search-warrants-in-Beason-killings-not-disclosed

Statements about warrants

*Logan County Sheriff Steve Nichols: Authorities have used “lots of search warrants” but won’t release them until the investigation is completed.

*Logan County circuit clerk officials: Confirmed the state’s attorney’s office has search-warrant applications and related affidavits

*Logan County state’s attorney spokeswoman: The records will not be released because the investigation is ongoing.

*Attorney General Lisa Madigan opinion: Search warrant applications and accompanying affidavits become public records after warrants are served.

I do agree with you. Because this is an ongoing investigation, it is a good reason to seal the search warrants/affidavits. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

This might be a stupid question, but could it be one count per victim?

Its not a stupid question Katherine but I don't think so.

I wonder if a person can be charged with "obstruction" if they failed to report a crime?

I think it is five different things where the DA thinks she obstructed justice.

Now the false alibi is one but there has to be four more.

Destroying evidence?

Tampering with evidence?

Failure to report a crime?

Fleeing the jurisdiction?

I just don't know really but I think her involvement is much larger than first thought.

imo

[Amy]

Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn says he has no immediate plans to lift the state's moratorium on the death penalty.

The Democrat who last week replaced ousted former Gov. Rod Blagojevich says he supports capital punishment. But he says he worries innocent people have been sent to Illinois' death row.

During a visit to Collinsville on Friday, Quinn said he wants to make sure there are adequate safeguards to make sure no one is put to death improperly in Illinois. He says that would weigh on everyone's conscience.

Imprisoned former Gov. George Ryan declared a moratorium on executions in Illinois in 2000. Ryan commuted the sentence of every inmate on death row, citing a number of wrongful convictions.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/06/illinois-keeping-death-pe_n_164767.html

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The death penalty may actually be a mute issue if the moratorium is still in effect..this article was dated Feb of this year.

I was reading up on the DP in KS the other day. And, if I understood the article correctly, there have been people sentenced to DP even tho there is a moratorium on actually carrying out the execution @ the moment. @ least, that is how I read it.

[Amy]

Does anyone have the link or know where the old post is of Gerald Miller sitting in his van with his current wife/girlfriend? Just wanted to look again. And does anyone remember her name? Thanks

Her name is Terri, the same as his daughter's name. And, she is listed as his wife.

[happygert]

This is interesting.

Sara in Macon county jail. Chris Harris and Jennifer Earnest in Logan county jail, Jason Harris in McLean county jail.

Why? So they cannot communicate with each other? Is this a normal procedure with multiple suspects in one murder(s) case?

Chris is in Mclean. not logan.

[happygert]

http://www.mywebtimes.com/archives/ottawa/display.php?id=390113

Legal experts say the Logan County situation is unique.

'What you've been exposed to (in Logan County) is what I call county search warrant voodoo,' said Steven Beckett, a University of Illinois law professor. 'The practice you're describing, that's from another land, not Illinois.'

'There should be transparency in all law enforcement activity,' Beckett said.

That does NOT happen in Logan County. To date I dont believe warrant has been unsealed in Jason Daniels. for the murder of Brian Bob. when there was so much more to that story and so many more involved that walked. even the girl who had blood in her house and car which transported the body.SHE WALKED. Buy the way his throat was also slit. and it was over meth.

[happygert]

Maybe the brothers walked to the Gee house from Nicole's. Walked back. Changed clothes. Then, got in the truck and went and disposed of the clothes.

They also could have worn protective clothing over their clothes. They could have learned that from movies.

iirc, the truck was only seen in Beason and not at the home.

Yes but here lays the problem no matter if Chris's truck was seen Nicole's. Chris's Truck DOES NOT MATCH the description of the truck period. Only thing Chris's truck matches is it's a small truck. NO STACKS His truck is a extended cab, two toned blue.
Description of truck: Either ford ranger or chevy S10, grey primer, Stacks in bed. But However, now according to nichols .Chris's truck MOSTLY MATCHES the description? GMAFB.. It mostly matches because thats what the sheriff and logan county wants.
Let me guess Chris had time to make it an extened cab change color of truck and put new bed where there was no holes for stacks in the bed.
Oh never mind he had a bat moblie truck during daylight it was extended cab different color and no stacks.. At night cab shrank, stacks came ot and color changed. jmho.......

[GentleBreeze]

This might be a stupid question, but could it be one count per victim?

Here is an article stating what Obstruction of Justice can be in Illinois.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e3848728-b430-11de-bb76-001cc4c002e0.html

According to Illinois law, "a person obstructs justice when, with intent to prevent the apprehension or obstruct the prosecution or defense of any person, he knowingly commits any of the following acts:

• Destroys, alters, conceals or disguises physical evidence, plants false evidence, furnishes false information.

• Induces a witness having knowledge material to the subject at issue to leave the state or conceal himself.

• Possessing knowledge material to the subject at issue, he leaves the state or conceals himself.

[GentleBreeze]

Yes but here lays the problem no matter if Chris's truck was seen Nicole's. Chris's Truck DOES NOT MATCH the description of the truck period. Only thing Chris's truck matches is it's a small truck. NO STACKS His truck is a extended cab, two toned blue.
Description of truck: Either ford ranger or chevy S10, grey primer, Stacks in bed. But However, now according to nichols .Chris's truck MOSTLY MATCHES the description? GMAFB.. It mostly matches because thats what the sheriff and logan county wants.
Let me guess Chris had time to make it an extened cab change color of truck and put new bed where there was no holes for stacks in the bed.
Oh never mind he had a bat moblie truck during daylight it was extended cab different color and no stacks.. At night cab shrank, stacks came ot and color changed. jmho.......

I think by now ISP has had time to forensically go over the truck or trucks involved in this crime with a fine tooth comb. It wont be the lack of stacks but the forensic evidence found and I do believe they have found the right vehicle they were looking for.....

There is still a question whether there are two trucks. One Chris had and one Jennifer said she sold to him or Jason sold to him.

imo

[happygert]

--
sounds a bit like the good old boys club...something from the past that no one bothered to update and just kept doing it because that is the way they have always done it.

They make very well be in violation themselves for their practice of sealing all warrants especially when a ruling was made saying search warrants had to be made public. It may not be deliberate defiance, but suspect it is because it is a small town and they just kept doing things the old way...but not a very good excuse is that?

Yep good old boys club alright. No its not a very good excuse.. just like i said now all of a sudden Chris's truck mostly matches? No it matches cause they want it to match. period. Now what? Is the evidence is going to mostly MATCH?

What are they hiding with keep the search warrant hid? and as far as Dept. Kindred he has lot to be desired as a cop..JMHO..and theres a lot more.

[happygert]

I think by now ISP has had time to forensically go over the truck or trucks involved in this crime with a fine tooth comb. It wont be the lack of stacks but the forensic evidence found and I do believe they have found the right vehicle they were looking for.....

There is still a question whether there are two trucks. One Chris had and one Jennifer said she sold to him or Jason sold to him.

imo

Chris's truck DOES NOT MATCH.. Its not the description of what the person who seen the truck gave. Cant wait until they question this person and he says no that's not the truck I seen.

[GentleBreeze]

Chris's truck DOES NOT MATCH.. Its not the description of what the person who seen the truck gave. Cant wait until they question this person and he says no that's not the truck I seen.

You really have no idea if it will match or not. Many times the description can be off some and it was seen around midnight supposedly.

It will be the evidence found in the vehicle or vehicles they have secured.

How long has Chris had this truck?

How long has he had the truck Jason was said to have sold him recently?

[JoAnn]

I was reading up on the DP in KS the other day. And, if I understood the article correctly, there have been people sentenced to DP even tho there is a moratorium on actually carrying out the execution @ the moment. @ least, that is how I read it.

that makes sense...a moratorium only indicates a stay and no can be put to death, but the moratorium can be disposed of by the Governor anytime he wants to, so I suppose they could still be sentenced to death but under the current moratorium, just continue to live out there lives in prison unless the moratorium were to be lifted..then executions would start back up and I THINK in Illinois it is lethal injection..but not positive on that.

[CaliforniaGr]

5 COUNTS???:ohmy: My gosh what has this woman done. She had to do something more than give him a false alibi.

imo

5 counts; 5 people dead?? Maybe an obstruction charge for each death? Just guessing

[GentleBreeze]

5 counts; 5 people dead?? Maybe an obstruction charge for each death? Just guessing


I just don't think so and I don't think the media thinks so either. They are trying to find out what the 5 charges are and we know one was giving a false alibi for Chris Harris.

I hope they find out by tomorrow.

imo

[JoAnn]

Does anyone know if Jennifer had her charges increased to 5 also?

I don't know how to check or I would check myself...anyone know how to find out?

[happygert]

You really have no idea if it will match or not. Many times the description can be off some and it was seen around midnight supposedly.

It will be the evidence found in the vehicle or vehicles they have secured.

How long has Chris had this truck?

How long has he had the truck Jason was said to have sold him recently?

That's where you're wrong I do know what the person said what the truck looked like. I'll believe that evidence as much as I believed the so called blood evidence on OJ's socks..

Oh yes now there's two trucks.. I'll buy that..... one was just a decoy to throw off who was watching the other truck.....gmab....Chris's truck mostly matching the description of the truck that was given is bull crap. Yes I know how long Chris has had this truck.

[happygert]

Does anyone know if Jennifer had her charges increased to 5 also?

I don't know how to check or I would check myself...anyone know how to find out?

Not yet but anything's possible in logan county. ( unless its happened in the last couple of hours)

[GentleBreeze]

Does anyone know if Jennifer had her charges increased to 5 also?

I don't know how to check or I would check myself...anyone know how to find out?

I have seen no articles about Jennifer other than saying she has been charged with obstruction but they did not say how many counts.

I have the Beason case in my google alert.

Does anyone know how to pull the Logan County court site up on both Jennifer and Sara?

IMO

[clueless]

Its not a stupid question Katherine but I don't think so.

I wonder if a person can be charged with "obstruction" if they failed to report a crime?

imo

(snipped)

Not positive on this, but I seem to recall seeing a news story on TV; and it appears you cannot be arrested for not reporting a crime. Say you saw a person stealing something from a store or hitting someones car. They can't arrest you for keeping your mouth shut. Now I would find that hard to believe for more serious crimes, but I'm not certain. Interesting.

[Katherine]

Does anyone know if Jennifer had her charges increased to 5 also?

I don't know how to check or I would check myself...anyone know how to find out?

http://www.judici.com/search/search.html?court=IL054025J

[GentleBreeze]

That's where you're wrong I do know what the person said what the truck looked like. I'll believe that evidence as much as I believed the so called blood evidence on OJ's socks..

Oh yes now there's two trucks.. I'll buy that..... one was just a decoy to throw off who was watching the other truck.....gmab....Chris's truck mostly matching the description of the truck that was given is bull crap. Yes I know how long Chris has had this truck.

We all know what the witness said the truck looked like. The description was put out on the truck.

Don't have a clue what you mean by " I'll believe that evidence as much as I believed the so called blood evidence on OJ's socks..":confused:

Are you saying that you think the ISP and the Attorney General are corrupt? They were notified on September 21 at 4:30 pm and had a team there very fast to investigate.

So you are saying no matter what evidence is uncovered in this case pointing directly toward Chris or Jason Harris you will refuse to believe any of it????:ohmy:

imo

[Katherine]

I have seen no articles about Jennifer other than saying she has been charged with obstruction but they did not say how many counts.

I have the Beason case in my google alert.

Does anyone know how to pull the Logan County court site up on both Jennifer and Sara?

IMO

2009CF177 EARNEST, JENNIFER CLast Search | Information | Dispositions | History | Payments | Fines & Fees
Name No. Qualifier Desc Type Date Plea Status
Count 1 Ticket Number: 177 09/25/2009
Charge 1 None OBSTRUCT JUST/DESTROY EVIDENCE Original Class 4 Felony

I am not finding the information on Sara.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.judici.com/search/search.html?court=IL054025J


Thanks Katherine. How do we know the case number?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

2009CF177 EARNEST, JENNIFER CLast Search | Information | Dispositions | History | Payments | Fines & Fees
Name No. Qualifier Desc Type Date Plea Status
Count 1 Ticket Number: 177 09/25/2009
Charge 1 None OBSTRUCT JUST/DESTROY EVIDENCE Original Class 4 Felony

I am not finding the information on Sara.

Oh goodness I didn't realize this charge was a felony. I was thinking it was a misdemeanor.

o,p

[Katherine]

Thanks Katherine. How do we know the case number?

imo

Here is the case number on Jennifer...I have always just searched by name.

[clueless]

Does anyone know if Jennifer had her charges increased to 5 also?

I don't know how to check or I would check myself...anyone know how to find out?

Joann, I found (early upthread tonight) where they had filed a motion to reduce her bail. So I seriously doubt it. Maybe momma sang.

[clueless]

I have seen no articles about Jennifer other than saying she has been charged with obstruction but they did not say how many counts.

I have the Beason case in my google alert.

Does anyone know how to pull the Logan County court site up on both Jennifer and Sara?

IMO

Last time I looked tonight, Sara Duncan is not listed in Logan OR Macon Co. Jennifer has a motion for request of less bail. Go to Judici.com

[clueless]

http://forum.freeadvice.com/other-crimes-federal-state-4/failure-report-crime-463953.html

[CaliforniaGr]

I think by now ISP has had time to forensically go over the truck or trucks involved in this crime with a fine tooth comb. It wont be the lack of stacks but the forensic evidence found and I do believe they have found the right vehicle they were looking for.....

There is still a question whether there are two trucks. One Chris had and one Jennifer said she sold to him or Jason sold to him.

imo

The stacks could have just been something "phoney" Chris put in the truck for a quick disguise. Didn't the Sheriff say that he also has the answer to the stacks? I remember reading that a while ago.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Chris is in Mclean. not logan.

Has that changed again? The last I knew was when Sheriff Nichold told (at the presser) the media that he sent Jason to McLean and brought Chris back to Lincoln.


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/?action=view&current=004-2.flv

Also... I need some help. I mislabled the date. Anyone remember the right date. My mind has been elsewhere today, I can't remember the right date.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Yes but here lays the problem no matter if Chris's truck was seen Nicole's. Chris's Truck DOES NOT MATCH the description of the truck period. Only thing Chris's truck matches is it's a small truck. NO STACKS His truck is a extended cab, two toned blue.
Description of truck: Either ford ranger or chevy S10, grey primer, Stacks in bed. But However, now according to nichols .Chris's truck MOSTLY MATCHES the description? GMAFB.. It mostly matches because thats what the sheriff and logan county wants.
Let me guess Chris had time to make it an extened cab change color of truck and put new bed where there was no holes for stacks in the bed.
Oh never mind he had a bat moblie truck during daylight it was extended cab different color and no stacks.. At night cab shrank, stacks came ot and color changed. jmho.......

Happygert, you seem so angry. We are all here to talk about it, we aren't going to solve it.

Is it possible that the Sheriff put out a totally fake description to put Chris at ease while they gathered info so as not to scare him into fleeing to his Mom's in FL?

[CaliforniaGr]

That's where you're wrong I do know what the person said what the truck looked like. I'll believe that evidence as much as I believed the so called blood evidence on OJ's socks..

Oh yes now there's two trucks.. I'll buy that..... one was just a decoy to throw off who was watching the other truck.....gmab....Chris's truck mostly matching the description of the truck that was given is bull crap. Yes I know how long Chris has had this truck.

Didn't the person say what the truck looked like the 2nd day of investigation and this person said it to Sheriff Nicols and Sheriff Nicols relayed that info in the presser? So, when the Sheriff relayed that info at the presser, was the Sheriff's description wrong when he gave the info at the live press conference on TV?

[GentleBreeze]

The stacks could have just been something "phoney" Chris put in the truck for a quick disguise. Didn't the Sheriff say that he also has the answer to the stacks? I remember reading that a while ago.

I am not sure but he did seem satisfied that they had found the truck in question.

imo

[CaliforniaGr]

Where did everyone find that info on Sara Duncan and her obstruction charges. She is not on the Logan County Court Access page.

[AmndaRcknwth]

One article says 5 counts, and the pantagraph mentions no number.
We'll see... the media is famous for misinformation lately.


Meanwhile, here is part of what Sheriff Nichols said Oct 9 at the presser:

Brothers Christopher J. Harris, 30, and Jason L. Harris, 22, both of Armington, are each charged with five counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder. Chris Harris is the ex-husband of Rick Gee's surviving adult daughter, Nicole Gee.

Jason Harris' fiancee, Jennifer Earnest, 24, and Earnest's mother, Sara Duncan, 43, of Sarasota, Fla., are charged with obstruction of justice for allegedly giving police a false alibi for Chris Harris, who was the first to be arrested.

Truck's description

At Friday's press conference, Nichols said police have accounted for the discrepancy between the description of a truck seen in Beason the night before the slayings, and a truck owned by Chris Harris seized by police.

A witness who saw the truck late Sept. 20 said it was primer-gray with unusual vertical exhaust pipes. The truck seized by police last week at Nicole Gee's home did not have those pipes, family and neighbors said.

Nichols declined to say how police resolved the apparent discrepancy.


http://individual.com/story.php?story=108191460

I have a feeling it's going to be 2010 or 11 before we ever get the answers we seek.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Where did everyone find that info on Sara Duncan and her obstruction charges. She is not on the Logan County Court Access page.

It will probably be updated tomorrow.

Here is the 5-count article:
http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1579583215/Woman-jailed-here-in-Gee-case

[CaliforniaGr]

One article says 5 counts, and the pantagraph mentions no number.
We'll see... the media is famous for misinformation lately.


Meanwhile, here is part of what Sheriff Nichols said Oct 9 at the presser:

Brothers Christopher J. Harris, 30, and Jason L. Harris, 22, both of Armington, are each charged with five counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder. Chris Harris is the ex-husband of Rick Gee's surviving adult daughter, Nicole Gee.

Jason Harris' fiancee, Jennifer Earnest, 24, and Earnest's mother, Sara Duncan, 43, of Sarasota, Fla., are charged with obstruction of justice for allegedly giving police a false alibi for Chris Harris, who was the first to be arrested.

Truck's description

At Friday's press conference, Nichols said police have accounted for the discrepancy between the description of a truck seen in Beason the night before the slayings, and a truck owned by Chris Harris seized by police.

A witness who saw the truck late Sept. 20 said it was primer-gray with unusual vertical exhaust pipes. The truck seized by police last week at Nicole Gee's home did not have those pipes, family and neighbors said.

Nichols declined to say how police resolved the apparent discrepancy.


http://individual.com/story.php?story=108191460

I have a feeling it's going to be 2010 or 11 before we ever get the answers we seek.

Yes, that one sentence. That is what I was referring to. "Nichols declined to say how police resolved the apparent discrepancy." Maybe Chris just made a "phoney" disguise. Geeze, I don't know. Too, too much in this case...:confused:

[JoAnn]

Oh goodness I didn't realize this charge was a felony. I was thinking it was a misdemeanor.

o,p

Class four is not a major penalty compared to some of the other classes...can't remember but I think it was less than 2 years maximum and/or a stiff fine.. but I may be remembering it wrong.. I posted the class levels at one time and their penaltys, I only recall that the smaller the number the worse it is , right up to a class M and class X which are the worse.....and I thought maybe this would classify as class x because of the murders...but it appears not.

[JoAnn]

Class four is not a major penalty compared to some of the other classes...can't remember but I think it was less than 2 years maximum and/or a stiff fine.. but I may be remembering it wrong.. I posted the class levels at one time and their penaltys, I only recall that the smaller the number the worse it is , right up to a class M and class X which are the worse.....and I thought maybe this would classify as class x because of the murders...but it appears not.

Felony Penalties in Illinois

Typically, a conviction on a felony charge carries a jail sentence of more than 1 year. For the most serious violent felonies, the sentences are significantly more, and many offenses have mandatory minimum jail sentences.

The 5 classes of Illinois felonies are as follows:
Class X Felony

* Between 6 and 30 years in State Penitentiary; and/or
* Fine of up to $25,000
* Examples: Aggravated Criminal Sexual Assault

Class 1 Felony

* Between 4 and 15 years in State Penitentiary; and/or
* Fine of up to $25,000
* Examples: Criminal Sexual Assault, Possession of Heroin, Cocaine, LSD

Class 2 Felony

* Between 3 and 7 years in State Penitentiary; and/or
* Fine of up to $25,000
* Examples: Arson

Class 3 Felony

* Between 2 and 5 years in State Penitentiary; and/or
* Fine of up to $25,000
* Examples: Aggravated Battery

Class 4 Felony

* Between 1 and 3 years in State Penitentiary; and/or
* Fine of up to $25,000
* Examples: Aggravated Assault, Stalking

Note: Sentences for Murder convictions differ from felony sentences.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Well, hopefully Sara and Jennifer will work out some kind of deal and tell the truth. They will probably do very little jail time.

Otherwise they have a lot to lose, especially Jennifer, she has a toddler. If Jason is found guilty, he isn't coming home anyways.

[JoAnn]

Well, hopefully Sara and Jennifer will work out some kind of deal and tell the truth. They will probably do very little jail time.

Otherwise they have a lot to lose, especially Jennifer, she has a toddler. If Jason is found guilty, he isn't coming home anyways.

---
I don't know that telling the truth at this point is going to lesson their jail time..guess it depends on WHAT they have to say..but sometimes it is a little late to say I'm sorry when it comes to crimminal charges...and this is murder of 5 people..

[darcie]

Chris's truck DOES NOT MATCH.. Its not the description of what the person who seen the truck gave. Cant wait until they question this person and he says no that's not the truck I seen.

I think the truck is a very minoot point at this time. Who knows that the truck which was *reportedly seen, and described* had ANYTHING at all to do with the murders. It wasn't stated that it was seen at the crime scene, just that it was seen. It was never stated that the truck was definitely the truck that the killer drove. If there is DNA evidence of Chris Harris and or Jason Harris being in that house when the murder was committed---the truck means diddly squat. At least in my pea brain.
MOO

[darcie]

Is it possible that the Sheriff put out a totally fake description to put Chris at ease while they gathered info so as not to scare him into fleeing to his Mom's in FL?

*snipped your post...because I could very much beleive the above.* Besides, out of ALL the LE involved in this, Chris Harris, Jason Harris, Jennifer, and or Sara were not arrested on a whim.

They got the goods on these folks. That I feel certain of!

MOO

[AmndaRcknwth]

Oh Scienter, that made me chuckle. But yeah... something like that.

Jennifer might get a plea deal with time served and probation, or if she did more (like destroy evidence) maybe a couple months.

[IlliniFan]

Oh Scienter, that made me chuckle. But yeah... something like that.

Jennifer might get a plea deal with time served and probation, or if she did more (like destroy evidence) maybe a couple months.

If she had destroyed evidence in a multiple murder, I would think her charges might be more severe? I actually don't know. I do wonder if it's true that her mother has 5 counts of obstruction? The Lincoln paper said 5, the Pantagraph didn't have that information. I guess we will find out....

[Amy]

I think the truck is a very minoot point at this time. Who knows that the truck which was *reportedly seen, and described* had ANYTHING at all to do with the murders. It wasn't stated that it was seen at the crime scene, just that it was seen. It was never stated that the truck was definitely the truck that the killer drove. If there is DNA evidence of Chris Harris and or Jason Harris being in that house when the murder was committed---the truck means diddly squat. At least in my pea brain.
MOO

My opinion, also. Especially since the time of the murders hasn't been publicized (just a time frame, IIRC) who knows if that truck was seen @ the time the murders occured. And, as you point out, it was just seen, not that it was seen near the murder scene. Heck, we don't even know if the truck truely existed, just that LE reports someone reported this to them.

I think that, w/all the evidence they have sent in, and apparently have received results on some of it, the truck is not a big factor in solving these murders.

I am reading a book now where the perp killed the victim (stabbing 96 times, pretty bloody) and used the shower to clean up, and even used the victim's washer and dryer to clean the clothing. It would seem to me that the perps, especially if it included someone who knew them quite well, even lived w/them, would know if it would be unlikely that someone would come calling on the family in the middle of the night, and so WOULD have time to clean themselves and their clothes up before leaving.

They could have sat in a room of the house that didn't have a murdered victim or lots of blood, watch a bit of tv, whatever while waiting for the clothes to wash and dry. And, probably wouldn't even have to worry about people @ their own home wondering where they were. If they were the type to sometimes go on all-night benders, people @ home might be irritated, but probably would still go to bed and to sleep, knowing the wayward folks would show up sooner or later.

[clueless]

If she had destroyed evidence in a multiple murder, I would think her charges might be more severe? I actually don't know. I do wonder if it's true that her mother has 5 counts of obstruction? The Lincoln paper said 5, the Pantagraph didn't have that information. I guess we will find out....

Help! Why wouldn't Sara be in the Logan Co system if she has been charged? Not there. I believe the Lincoln Courier account because further down in the article it states "charges". Although, it seems the Panatgraph has stayed on top of this case, so can't understand their not having the info???? But, why wouldn't she be in the system if charged? Unless they are holding that info. ?????????

[Amy]

Help! Why wouldn't Sara be in the Logan Co system if she has been charged? Not there. I believe the Lincoln Courier account because further down in the article it states "charges". Although, it seems the Panatgraph has stayed on top of this case, so can't understand their not having the info???? But, why wouldn't she be in the system if charged? Unless they are holding that info. ?????????

I don't know the sizes of the county jails in those parts. But I would imagine it would be smart to jail the accused @ different facilities, just to keep them from communicating and all that. In most places, the county sheriffs all help each other out, so I can see them being in different facilities.

[sinagua]

As it has been posted, Sara Duncan is in Macon County.

Macon County
Inmate Search
►New Search

Information as of: 10/20/2009

CIMIS Number: 2009-0005555
Inmate
Name: DUNCAN, SARA A
Age: 43
Gender: F
Race: WH
Detention
Charge / Offense: FELONY
Bail Amount: $5000
Location / Housing: MM060B04
Court Appearance
Next Court Date:
Court Location:
Case Number:

[CaliforniaGr]

As it has been posted, Sara Duncan is in Macon County.

Macon County
Inmate Search
►New Search

Information as of: 10/20/2009

CIMIS Number: 2009-0005555
Inmate
Name: DUNCAN, SARA A
Age: 43
Gender: F
Race: WH
Detention


Charge / Offense: FELONY
Bail Amount: $5000
Location / Housing: MM060B04
Court Appearance
Next Court Date:
Court Location:
Case Number:

I still didn't find her in Macon County court access. But what I am wondering is why are they all listed, except Sara Dunca, under the Logan county courts if they are in different counties? And why is her bail only $5,000.00

[darcie]

Heyyy...I just had a thought.

Maybe Sara and or Jennifer are the ones who STATED they saw the truck---and gave false information regarding the alledged truck. That would then kinda cover Chris Harris and his truck if it was seen at the residence sometimes during the murder time frame. Chris could THEN leave his truck out in public, because as happygert says...the truck doesn't match the description given.

Does this make sense? lol

[CaliforniaGr]

Heyyy...I just had a thought.

Maybe Sara and or Jennifer are the ones who STATED they saw the truck---and gave false information regarding the alledged truck. That would then kinda cover Chris Harris and his truck if it was seen at the residence sometimes during the murder time frame. Chris could THEN leave his truck out in public, because as happygert says...the truck doesn't match the description given.

Does this make sense? lol

Well, I think that LE would wonder what the heck they were doing in Beason around midnight.

I did think about someone, who I don't have any clue, giving a false statement that they saw the truck with the crazy pipes.

[clueless]

[QUOTE=sinagua;13574217]As it has been posted, Sara Duncan is in Macon County.

snipped.... Thank you. I searched last night and could find nothing. Where did you find thatf?

[clueless]

I still didn't find her in Macon County court access. But what I am wondering is why are they all listed, except Sara Dunca, under the Logan county courts if they are in different counties? And why is her bail only $5,000.00

Good question. I would think she would be "booked" at Logan Co also. What gives here? According to Courier, they were going from arrest records, which I thought were from Logan Co.:confused::confused:

[CaliforniaGr]

Good question. I would think she would be "booked" at Logan Co also. What gives here? According to Courier, they were going from arrest records, which I thought were from Logan Co.:confused::confused:

It looks to me as though LE are not wanting anyone to see any of her charges. Maybe they don't have to put charges out to the public. Heck, I don't know.

I don't see her in Logan or Macon. Did someone else see her, Sara's, court access records?

[JoAnn]

snipped

I did think about someone, who I don't have any clue, giving a false statement that they saw the truck with the crazy pipes.
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IMO the whole thing with the truck..could just be someone that wanted to HELP to be involved and remembered seeing a truck and sort of embellished it...as our memory sometimes does...or they could have seen the truck on a different night and just got it all mixed up..it does happen....or someone could have lied for unknown reasons.

Or it is possible that the witness to the truck was none other than one of the people that have now been arrested...or someone that is a friend of theirs...would be interesting to see WHO saw the truck.

I recently read a newspaper interview from someone, I believe his name was Russell Miller , noted as a family friend (not Gerald but Russell), I believe it said, that he saw Rick that evening going to the store...when I re-read (imo) it I realized it didnt actually say Rick was going to the store..it could have read either way..it could have meant..that he saw Rick going to the store or shopping...OR he could have meant that HE , Russell was going to the store or shopping when he saw Rick.Which could mean he saw Rick at his house, not at a store.

Which probably isn't significant except he was the last person that has publicly spoke out about "seeing" Rick the night of the murders, which helped to provided a time frame..for the murders obviously occurred after whatever time he saw Rick. I wonder if he could have seen a gray truck?

So many little things in this case..hard to tie together the things that are important or just inconsequential.

[darcie]

You have to scroll down some to read the article. It doesn't say much more than the others.




http://centralillinoisproud.com/content/fulltext/?cid=82792
43-year-old Sara Duncan was transported to the Macon County Jail from Sarasota, Florida Sunday night. Duncan was arrested in Sarasota earlier this month.

Officials say Duncan can't be housed in Logan County because there's no extra room. Duncan is charged with obstructing justice for allegedly lying about Jason Harris' alibi.

[JoAnn]

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IMO the whole thing with the truck..could just be someone that wanted to HELP to be involved and remembered seeing a truck and sort of embellished it...as our memory sometimes does...or they could have seen the truck on a different night and just got it all mixed up..it does happen....or someone could have lied for unknown reasons.

Or it is possible that the witness to the truck was none other than one of the people that have now been arrested...or someone that is a friend of theirs...would be interesting to see WHO saw the truck.

I recently read a newspaper interview from someone, I believe his name was Russell Miller , noted as a family friend (not Gerald but Russell), I believe it said, that he saw Rick that evening going to the store...when I re-read (imo) it I realized it didnt actually say Rick was going to the store..it could have read either way..it could have meant..that he saw Rick going to the store or shopping...OR he could have meant that HE , Russell was going to the store or shopping when he saw Rick.Which could mean he saw Rick at his house, not at a store.

Which probably isn't significant except he was the last person that has publicly spoke out about "seeing" Rick the night of the murders, which helped to provided a time frame..for the murders obviously occurred after whatever time he saw Rick. I wonder if he could have seen a gray truck?

So many little things in this case..hard to tie together the things that are important or just inconsequential.

This is a one liner at
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=668731
Post no 64...I cannot get the link to work so open up the full article, maybe someone else can.



"Family friend Russell Miller said he saw the adult male victim Sunday night as he went for groceries in a nearby town."

[darcie]

Is this the same Sara Duncan? The mole looks the same. just thought maybe if it was....the charges were in the other name? I know...probably not... but ya never know...lol

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=249513181

[desmom]

Is this the same Sara Duncan? The mole looks the same. just thought maybe if it was....the charges were in the other name? I know...probably not... but ya never know...lol

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=249513181

When she was first arrested, www.mysuncoast.com reported she was a graduate of Southeast High School. Unfortunately, the link no longer works.

IIRC, she is 43 years old, so she class of '84 is a good possibility. jmo

jmo

[Amy]

I still didn't find her in Macon County court access. But what I am wondering is why are they all listed, except Sara Dunca, under the Logan county courts if they are in different counties? And why is her bail only $5,000.00

The charges are from Logan county. They are just being lodged in different locations, would be my guess.

[Amy]

Heyyy...I just had a thought.

Maybe Sara and or Jennifer are the ones who STATED they saw the truck---and gave false information regarding the alledged truck. That would then kinda cover Chris Harris and his truck if it was seen at the residence sometimes during the murder time frame. Chris could THEN leave his truck out in public, because as happygert says...the truck doesn't match the description given.

Does this make sense? lol

It does make sense. LE hasn't ever revealed (that was published @ least) who it was that reported the truck. Except, wasn't the alibi for Chris Harris that they all (Chris, Jason, Jennifer and Sara) were in Armington all night? I would think Jennifer and/or Sara, if either reported the truck, would have been arrested earlier--cuz they couldn't have it both was--@ home in Armington, yet in Beason to see the truck.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Is this the same Sara Duncan? The mole looks the same. just thought maybe if it was....the charges were in the other name? I know...probably not... but ya never know...lol

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=249513181

Yes, it is Sara. She's also on Facebook, pics saved.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/


I cannot find her on the Macon Co site at all. What am I doing wrong? I see Sarah Duncan, charges from 1995, but not the Sara we're talking about.