Wednesday October 14

[Texas48]

HaLeigh Marie Cummings...:wub::wub:
114 candles.....
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[Wallie]

Random q: Does anyone know of an "Alan/Allen" (first name) connected to any of the main players in this case?

Snipped to answer.

I have a long list of people involved and do NOT see anyone named Alan/Allen. Now you have me wondering just who this person is. Care to share?

[Texas48]

As of right now Lisa has NOT been booked into the Putman County Jail..
http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx


Last night a poster asked for these links.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o3DbkF8Gxk&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yARTemyHedA&feature=channel

For little HaLeigh Marie Cummings
:wub:

[Elle]

Good morning

Texas, thank you for the thread and those links. Praying today Haleigh comes home.

[Texas48]

Shoemaker is looking at ways right now to set up a non-profit organization. He says its purpose would be two-fold. It would help get the word out about Haleigh’s disappearance, and it would also serve as a way to gather funds to pay the private investigator............

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Ronald-Cummings-lawyer-on-the-next-step/jBFxScAWG06mxzE70qvTQg.cspx

[Texas48]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5429075.php

Posted: Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:51PM

Haleigh Update: Father's Attorney Seeks 2nd Pair of Eyes and an NPO

[2boysMom]

I just got this in my email. Wish I had been the interviewer. I kept thinking of things she shouuld be asking.

http://radionewz.net/?p=2819

[Keegan]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5429075.php

Posted: Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:51PM

Haleigh Update: Father's Attorney Seeks 2nd Pair of Eyes and an NPO

He wants a pay check and eyes pointed away from his client.

[Texas48]

I just got this in my email. Wish I had been the interviewer. I kept thinking of things she shouuld be asking.

http://radionewz.net/?p=2819
Thanks for sharing..I also rec. this...

http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/

[MagicPool]

I just got this in my email. Wish I had been the interviewer. I kept thinking of things she shouuld be asking.

http://radionewz.net/?p=2819

This is the interview where Lt. Greenwood states the time the initial call came in as 2:13 or shortly after. He also says that TN saw HaLeigh around 7pm. I thought it was GGM AS. So confusing!!

JMO

[2boysMom]

Thanks for sharing..I also rec. this...

http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/

Thanks, Tex. I think they're mistaken in saying that TN is the one who saw the children at around 7 PM. I believe it was GGS. But I do remember GGS saying "we" regarding her visit to the home. I wonder if TN was with her? I guess we'd have heard it by now if that were the case. But he confirmed that it is fact that HaLeigh was seen at around 7PM.

[2boysMom]

This is the interview where Lt. Greenwood states the time the initial call came in as 2:13 or shortly after. He also says that TN saw HaLeigh around 7pm. I thought it was GGM AS. So confusing!!

JMO

Yes very confusing when LE doesn't even get the facts straight.

[HouseOfClark]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5429075.php

Posted: Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:51PM

Haleigh Update: Father's Attorney Seeks 2nd Pair of Eyes and an NPO

How many sets of eyes is this case going to get when all "eyes" have seen the same thing - Misty and her inconsistencies?

Sounds like they need OPENED eyes for a change.

JMO

(And does this attorney not have investigators that work for him or with him? Sounds to me like he's just looking to collect $$. But that's just me.)

[Acey]

Good morning everyone.

Texas48 - thanks for the new thread and all the links from everyone.

Praying that today will be the day HaLeigh is returned safely home.

[Dunlurken]

How many sets of eyes is this case going to get when all "eyes" have seen the same thing - Misty and her inconsistencies?

Sounds like they need OPENED eyes for a change.

JMO

(And does this attorney not have investigators that work for him or with him? Sounds to me like he's just looking to collect $$. But that's just me.)

I agree with you. How many pair of eyes do we need when the writing is on the wall? JMO. Misty knows what happened. Sorry, but I'm just not buying what she's trying to sell. JMO.

Oh, and good morning all!

[FrankieBones1]

Shoemaker is looking at ways right now to set up a non-profit organization. He says its purpose would be two-fold. It would help get the word out about Haleigh’s disappearance, and it would also serve as a way to gather funds to pay the private investigator............

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Ronald-Cummings-lawyer-on-the-next-step/jBFxScAWG06mxzE70qvTQg.cspx
I hope they find the best private investigator they can.

[HenLee]

This is the interview where Lt. Greenwood states the time the initial call came in as 2:13 or shortly after. He also says that TN saw HaLeigh around 7pm. I thought it was GGM AS. So confusing!!

JMOCan we all say INCONSISTENCIES by PCSD.
As a matter of fact, I can NOT even keep up with all the inconsistencies the media and bloggers are putting out. How in the heck can anyone accuse Misty for her inconsistencies when that is all we hear from everyone involved in this case. None of us know what to believe IMO!!
:cursing:

[Petal Pusher]

I hope they find the best private investigator they can.

Amen to that and good morning.

I will be away from my computer most of the day, but I sure hope something will be brought to light today that will help unveil the truth and bring this precious child home.

[Destini]

Praying this morning for answers soon ....

I get so confused with all the tales we hear as to what is fact & what is rumor. And I can't remember this: Do we know what time Tommy & Joe & kids came over to the MH? Do we know what time they supposedly left? Was this all after Ron went to work?

[Dunlurken]

Praying this morning for answers soon ....

I get so confused with all the tales we hear as to what is fact & what is rumor. And I can't remember this: Do we know what time Tommy & Joe & kids came over to the MH? Do we know what time they supposedly left? Was this all after Ron went to work?

We don't know nuttin. :confused:

[TobyWong]

Good Morning All! Hoping that TODAY will bring Haleigh home!

I have 2 questions. I know they've been discussed. #1 What is the address of rons (former) work place pdm? And #2 on the first page on the links thread, cryme posted the first incident report,why and who is redacted from #5. i just could'nt remember and I know it's been discussed. Thanks

[Dunlurken]

Good Morning All! Hoping that TODAY will bring Haleigh home!

I have 2 questions. I know they've been discussed. #1 What is the address of rons (former) work place pdm? And #2 on the first page on the links thread, cryme posted the first incident report,why and who is redacted from #5. i just could'nt remember and I know it's been discussed. Thanks

Can you bring that link over? I'm wondering if we need to go back and start from the beginning.....with the 911 call. I feel like we're beating a dead horse. And I find it totally frustrating.

Who holds the key to open this Pandora's Box?

[TobyWong]

Praying this morning for answers soon ....

I get so confused with all the tales we hear as to what is fact & what is rumor. And I can't remember this: Do we know what time Tommy & Joe & kids came over to the MH? Do we know what time they supposedly left? Was this all after Ron went to work?
iirc they were there around 5:30. for about 45 min. After ron went to work. But not 100% on that.

[Acey]

Can we all say INCONSISTENCIES by PCSD.
As a matter of fact, I can NOT even keep up with all the inconsistencies the media and bloggers are putting out. How in the heck can anyone accuse Misty for her inconsistencies when that is all we hear from everyone involved in this case. None of us know what to believe IMO!!
:cursing:

Yes, there have been inconsistencies coming from PCSO. IMO, the first couple of months there was a dedicated PR person who was probably included in meetings concerning HaLeigh's disappearance and knew all the facts at his fingertips. I believe this person came out of retirement to help and he may have gone back into retirement.

Lt. Greenwood appears to have many responsibilities and handles PR for many of the numerous cases the PCSO is handling. I guess it would be easy to get cases mixed up. However, no one from LE should make a statement to the press without having the accurate information.

The media seems to be rushing to be the "first" to publish or air information without verifying or proof reading. This has caused much confusion. Some of the inconsistencies from bloggers has not been confirmed and much is hearsay, rumors, etc. without proof. JMO

[Dunlurken]

iirc they were there around 5:30. for about 45 min. After ron went to work. But not 100% on that.I think you're right, and it was the same time the AC guy was there. Misty sat on the porch watching the children play and the AC guy was in the house unattended. I don't know why we don't know this guy's name. JMO.

[TobyWong]

Can you bring that link over? I'm wondering if we need to go back and start from the beginning.....with the 911 call. I feel like we're beating a dead horse. And I find it totally frustrating.

Who holds the key to open this Pandora's Box?


http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
from links thread.
I was thinking along those lines and got as far as first page on the links thread. It's gonna take awile to wade through all of it. But I figure I go to bed thinking about what happened to Haleigh and I wake up thinking about her so i might as well take the time to go over some of the old stuff. it kills me reading stuff dated over 8 months ago! It feels like yesterday.

[Acey]

Good Morning All! Hoping that TODAY will bring Haleigh home!

I have 2 questions. I know they've been discussed. #1 What is the address of rons (former) work place pdm? And #2 on the first page on the links thread, cryme posted the first incident report,why and who is redacted from #5. i just could'nt remember and I know it's been discussed. Thanks

#2 - a minor child ???

[W_D_1]

Good Morning All! Hoping that TODAY will bring Haleigh home!

I have 2 questions. I know they've been discussed. #1 What is the address of rons (former) work place pdm? And #2 on the first page on the links thread, cryme posted the first incident report,why and who is redacted from #5. i just could'nt remember and I know it's been discussed. Thanks


Popular opinion was that Junior is who is redacted (since he is a minor) on the incident report.


PDM BRIDGE LLC
229 Comfort Rd, Palatka, FL

[TobyWong]

Is PDM on 229 Comfort rd.? Just looking around on google earth.tia.
Thank You wd1

[W_D_1]

Is PDM on 229 Comfort rd.? Just looking around on google earth.tia.


Yes, that's the address for PDM.

[Dunlurken]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
from links thread.
I was thinking along those lines and got as far as first page on the links thread. It's gonna take awile to wade through all of it. But I figure I go to bed thinking about what happened to Haleigh and I wake up thinking about her so i might as well take the time to go over some of the old stuff. it kills me reading stuff dated over 8 months ago! It feels like yesterday.

Thanks for the link. It really doesn't say much we don't know, but, like you I would like to know what the blacked out parts say.

Interesting they tracked Haleigh to the pond, but her shoes were in the house, according to Ron. Does any child only have one pair of shoes? He/Ron also states he has a 9MM baretta in the house and he will shoot whoever LE arrests. Interesting stuff. JMO.

[Chica]

Can we all say INCONSISTENCIES by PCSD.
As a matter of fact, I can NOT even keep up with all the inconsistencies the media and bloggers are putting out. How in the heck can anyone accuse Misty for her inconsistencies when that is all we hear from everyone involved in this case. None of us know what to believe IMO!!
:cursing:

I have questioned the 2:13 remark when this video came out on 10/2. If you read the police radio transcript in links, one of the officers was already at Tommy's 116 Green St. Wonder why he was there?

[Acey]

This is the interview where Lt. Greenwood states the time the initial call came in as 2:13 or shortly after. He also says that TN saw HaLeigh around 7pm. I thought it was GGM AS. So confusing!!

JMO

Does anyone know if the neighbors, who made a statement to the media about barking dogs around 1 - 2 a.m., actually called PCSO to report the barking dogs/noise?

If so, Lt. Greenwood could be referring to the dog barking call and LE could be considering the time of Haleigh's disappearance around the time of "the initial call at 2:13".

[Dunlurken]

Popular opinion was that Junior is who is redacted (since he is a minor) on the incident report.


PDM BRIDGE LLC
229 Comfort Rd, Palatka, FL
Thanks for that explanation.

[Dunlurken]

Does anyone know if the neighbors, who made a statement to the media about barking dogs around 1 - 2 a.m., actually called PCSO to report the barking dogs/noise?

If so, Lt. Greenwood could be referring to the dog barking call and LE could be considering the time of Haleigh's disappearance around the time of "the initial call at 2:13".

That's making sense. Thanks.

[Destini]

We don't know nuttin. :confused:

Ain't that the TRUTH ....

For some reason I can just picture Tommy & Joe being there, kids running all around, maybe laying down to watch movies, Misty passing out from exhaustion in the middle of it all .... and all the while there's still a houseful of people there partying, the kids aren't even asleep, God only knows who else may have come over meanwhile ... and Misty being just zonked out. For all we know, people could have been there until midnight or later & she doesn't know the difference.

Maybe the back door was bricked open to let smoke out & Haleigh was taken right out the front door.

All just speculation, trying to think outside the box .... I want to know what time Tommy & Joe said they left that MH.

[Dunlurken]

Why were the beds not slept in? :confused:

[Chica]

Ain't that the TRUTH ....

For some reason I can just picture Tommy & Joe being there, kids running all around, maybe laying down to watch movies, Misty passing out from exhaustion in the middle of it all .... and all the while there's still a houseful of people there partying, the kids aren't even asleep, God only knows who else may have come over meanwhile ... and Misty being just zonked out. For all we know, people could have been there until midnight or later & she doesn't know the difference.

Maybe the back door was bricked open to let smoke out & Haleigh was taken right out the front door.

All just speculation, trying to think outside the box .... I want to know what time Tommy & Joe said they left that MH.

And maybe Tommy Joe and the kids left for home and Joe took the van back to steal Haleigh.

[Chica]

Why were the beds not slept in? :confused:

oh, yeah...:shrug: We know nuttin.

[Destini]

iirc they were there around 5:30. for about 45 min. After ron went to work. But not 100% on that.

Well, if true, that would shoot my theory down.

So did GGM see them there, or did she come by after they left?

[Acey]

I have questioned the 2:13 remark when this video came out on 10/2. If you read the police radio transcript in links, one of the officers was already at Tommy's 116 Green St. Wonder why he was there?

Chica - Initially I thought the responding officer wasn't that familiar with that particular area so he asked for further directions. He gave his location at that time and the landmark just happened to be Tommy's home on Tyler. Now I'm not really sure.

If a neighbor called PCSO about barking dogs at 1-2 a.m., was it dogs barking on Tyler or on Green Lane?

[KatieLady]

Excellent post BassMan.....I totally agree!!!

[Chica]

Great Post BassMan. I believe everything you state sure hope you are right.:thumbup:

[Dunlurken]

Morning, everyone!


I will tell you what I believe:

I believe LE knows a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT deal and frankly, I don't think they give a big wahoo what we do or do not know.

I believe they aren't releasing some things and are releasing others for a reason.

Here is why I believe as I do:

DUMPSTER:

IMO, the dogs found something in the dumpster. Ok, one dog hits, maybe....two dogs hit, possibly...three dogs hit, something was there.
It is possible that LE isn't sure how it relates to the case, or doesn't want to spook the person they believe responsible without being able to charge them.

NAY NAY:

IMO, Nay2's letter was sent to "shake the bushes" as it were. I also think Nay may have told investigators much more than anyone is fessing up to in this. I have no doubt, at all, that Nay2 would cover her butt in a heartbeat and sell the rest out. It is also my opinion that Nay's letter was coded to let some of the peripheal characters in the drug scene know just what LE had and as a bit of a "warning". It is my firm belief that the previous weekend in Misty's life will prove to reveal more about the night Haleigh went missing.

TOMMY'S TALE:

I also believe that Tommy may have told LE a great deal more than they ever released to the public. However, I do believe that they released what they did for shock value and to shake Misty. It is my belief that LE is pressing her from all sides...even ones we are not privvy to.

GETAWAY:

It is also my believe that Tim Miller is in constant contact with LE. IMO they are aware of every move that Misty made that weekend, every word she uttered and I honestly think Tim believes that Ron will kill Misty if he discovers she had anything to do with that night. Unfortunately, whatever 'undercover" mission was going on there, it was blown to smithereens with the "flicking". It is possible DB could have elicited new info from Misty if given time.

SUMMARY:

You have a plethora of characters in this, that Hollywood could not even cast. Drug dealers, sex offenders, pimps, friends hooking up with crazy mexicans for cash, baby mama's and daddy's that would make any family tree look as twisted as a dogwood, family disputes that drag each other in and out of court, twisted anger issues by many, if not all, involved, and last, but by no means least, a missing 6 year old child.

I see armchair detectives debating all day everyday on how LE should handle this case, how LE isn't doing this or is doing that, etc. etc. etc.
I have to believe that LE knows EXACTLY what they are doing. After all, THEY are the LE in this town and they are the ones FAMILIAR with dealing with these people on a daily basis. They have the experience here, they know the course of action to take, and I firmly believe they are taking it.

Is it quick enough for us?
Maybe not, but we aren't the ones that matter.
Should they pressure Misty more?
Maybe, but does anyone want another "Trenton Duckett" replay where answers are NEVER found?
Should they do this? Should they do that?
Maybe, they should do their jobs as they are trained to do and that is not keeping all of us informed as to what they do and do not have.

I have to give them credit for running an obstacle course of an investigation.

Ducking Nancy Grace and other media's idiocy, bloggers who want to be real journalists and send out false info right and left, bounty hunters with snake names who want to show they are Billy Bob Badbutt, drug users/dealers that couldn't or wouldn't tell the truth if their pitiful lives depended upon it, stories that just don't add up from almost everyone, a vermin filled den of sex offenders, and in the end they have to keep their eye on the prize, the location of an innocent and beautiful child.

I would not want their job, but I believe they do. I believe they are doing it they way they feel it needs to be done to solve this case.
I believe they will.

Best post I've seen in a long time. :thumbsup:

[Chica]

Chica - Initially I thought the responding officer wasn't that familiar with that particular area so he asked for further directions. He gave his location at that time and the landmark just happened to be Tommy's home on Tyler. Now I'm not really sure.

If a neighbor called PCSO about barking dogs at 1-2 a.m., was it dogs barking on Tyler or on Green Lane?

I read the dispatcher asking the police officer why he was at 116 Tyler, but no answer was in the transcripts. IIRC the barking dogs was 2:30 and was behind Ron's.

[Acey]

He wants a pay check and eyes pointed away from his client.

Keegan - I didn't see this in the information on the NPO. Do you have another link or is this just your opinion?

[W_D_1]

I read the dispatcher asking the police officer why he was at 116 Tyler, but no answer was in the transcripts. IIRC the barking dogs was 2:30 and was behind Ron's.


I wonder if Tommy's story has a little truth to it but that he left some parts out. Like maybe he did go to the home at 10, Misty wasn't home and he went back at 2:30, she was home and he confronted her and an argument ensued. That would explain barking dogs and neighbors hearing yelling.

When the yelling started maybe Haleigh woke up and something happened to her then Tommy called Timmy who came and helped clean up.

[Destini]

And maybe Tommy Joe and the kids left for home and Joe took the van back to steal Haleigh.

Or maybe Tommy left & left Joe and/or someone else there & they took Haleigh. Maybe Cousin Joe has the answers and is covering for some unknown third person.

[TobyWong]

You know there's been so much talk about ron being at work. My thing w/ that is that people can and do take extended breaks or walk around. PDM is a large place. Does'nt look very secure. There's water right there and wooded lots. On google earth you can see a spot right next to PDM that has stumps set up like a hang out area. The rest of the buildings look like manufacturing types. IMO there is no way unless ron is on video for his entire shift, that they can account for him in the building. I've mentioned before about guys I know that work in these types of industry and buildings. Very Very easy to go out and meet, lets say misty. imo.

[Chica]

He wants a pay check and eyes pointed away from his client.

Is there a video? I couldn't find it...TIA

[Chica]

You know there's been so much talk about ron being at work. My thing w/ that is that people can and do take extended breaks or walk around. PDM is a large place. Does'nt look very secure. There's water right there and wooded lots. On google earth you can see a spot right next to PDM that has stumps set up like a hang out area. The rest of the buildings look like manufacturing types. IMO there is no way unless ron is on video for his entire shift, that they can account for him in the building. I've mentioned before about guys I know that work in these types of industry and buildings. Very Very easy to go out and meet, lets say misty. imo.

This business has security guards and fingerprinting to get into the building.

[titanfan217]

How many sets of eyes is this case going to get when all "eyes" have seen the same thing - Misty and her inconsistencies?

Sounds like they need OPENED eyes for a change.

JMO

(And does this attorney not have investigators that work for him or with him? Sounds to me like he's just looking to collect $$. But that's just me.)


It's not just you. It looks pretty obvious. If LE were given the answers they need, they'd be further along. It sounds as if someone wants to change the focus.

[TobyWong]

Well, if true, that would shoot my theory down.

So did GGM see them there, or did she come by after they left?

iirc 7ish. I think she said the kids were eating on the front porch. Usually in FL they are screened in.

[Zeep]

Ain't that the TRUTH ....

For some reason I can just picture Tommy & Joe being there, kids running all around, maybe laying down to watch movies, Misty passing out from exhaustion in the middle of it all .... and all the while there's still a houseful of people there partying, the kids aren't even asleep, God only knows who else may have come over meanwhile ... and Misty being just zonked out. For all we know, people could have been there until midnight or later & she doesn't know the difference.

Maybe the back door was bricked open to let smoke out & Haleigh was taken right out the front door.

All just speculation, trying to think outside the box .... I want to know what time Tommy & Joe said they left that MH.

Destini.. reading your post gave me chills. I think that is very logical.

I've thought for a while that it was highly possible that Misty was there.. never left.. but had totally passed out from her weekend adventure.

This could be the very reason Misty hasn't been consistent with her statements. Example: Which bed was Haleigh in?

The back door being propped open to let smoke out.. that absolutely makes sense.

Good morning everybody. Hopefully today is the day Haleigh comes home. :wub:

[titanfan217]

iirc they were there around 5:30. for about 45 min. After ron went to work. But not 100% on that.

Do we even know they were really there?

[panman]

Ain't that the TRUTH ....

For some reason I can just picture Tommy & Joe being there, kids running all around, maybe laying down to watch movies, Misty passing out from exhaustion in the middle of it all .... and all the while there's still a houseful of people there partying, the kids aren't even asleep, God only knows who else may have come over meanwhile ... and Misty being just zonked out. For all we know, people could have been there until midnight or later & she doesn't know the difference.

Maybe the back door was bricked open to let smoke out & Haleigh was taken right out the front door.

All just speculation, trying to think outside the box .... I want to know what time Tommy & Joe said they left that MH.

Great thinking there Destini.

[TobyWong]

This business has security guards and fingerprinting to get into the building.
Not aimed at you but that means nothing. The yard is huge. And the finger printing might just be to clock in and out. Or just to get into the office area. Idk just over thinking this a.m I cleaned a huge chemical factory that had all those secutrity type things just to get in the office area but the back where all the chemicals were being manufactored was as open as could be. The bay doors stayed open all day and night. The guys would take their breaks out back where no one could see them. And they would hang out w/ guys from the surrounding factories. They could not get into the office area w/o a punch code but they had no need to go up front. And the security would hang out back w/ them. jmo

[Zeep]

Morning, everyone!


I will tell you what I believe:

I believe LE knows a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT deal and frankly, I don't think they give a big wahoo what we do or do not know.

I believe they aren't releasing some things and are releasing others for a reason.

Here is why I believe as I do:

DUMPSTER:

IMO, the dogs found something in the dumpster. Ok, one dog hits, maybe....two dogs hit, possibly...three dogs hit, something was there.
It is possible that LE isn't sure how it relates to the case, or doesn't want to spook the person they believe responsible without being able to charge them.

NAY NAY:

IMO, Nay2's letter was sent to "shake the bushes" as it were. I also think Nay may have told investigators much more than anyone is fessing up to in this. I have no doubt, at all, that Nay2 would cover her butt in a heartbeat and sell the rest out. It is also my opinion that Nay's letter was coded to let some of the peripheal characters in the drug scene know just what LE had and as a bit of a "warning". It is my firm belief that the previous weekend in Misty's life will prove to reveal more about the night Haleigh went missing.

TOMMY'S TALE:

I also believe that Tommy may have told LE a great deal more than they ever released to the public. However, I do believe that they released what they did for shock value and to shake Misty. It is my belief that LE is pressing her from all sides...even ones we are not privvy to.

GETAWAY:

It is also my believe that Tim Miller is in constant contact with LE. IMO they are aware of every move that Misty made that weekend, every word she uttered and I honestly think Tim believes that Ron will kill Misty if he discovers she had anything to do with that night. Unfortunately, whatever 'undercover" mission was going on there, it was blown to smithereens with the "flicking". It is possible DB could have elicited new info from Misty if given time.

SUMMARY:

You have a plethora of characters in this, that Hollywood could not even cast. Drug dealers, sex offenders, pimps, friends hooking up with crazy mexicans for cash, baby mama's and daddy's that would make any family tree look as twisted as a dogwood, family disputes that drag each other in and out of court, twisted anger issues by many, if not all, involved, and last, but by no means least, a missing 6 year old child.

I see armchair detectives debating all day everyday on how LE should handle this case, how LE isn't doing this or is doing that, etc. etc. etc.
I have to believe that LE knows EXACTLY what they are doing. After all, THEY are the LE in this town and they are the ones FAMILIAR with dealing with these people on a daily basis. They have the experience here, they know the course of action to take, and I firmly believe they are taking it.

Is it quick enough for us?
Maybe not, but we aren't the ones that matter.
Should they pressure Misty more?
Maybe, but does anyone want another "Trenton Duckett" replay where answers are NEVER found?
Should they do this? Should they do that?
Maybe, they should do their jobs as they are trained to do and that is not keeping all of us informed as to what they do and do not have.

I have to give them credit for running an obstacle course of an investigation.

Ducking Nancy Grace and other media's idiocy, bloggers who want to be real journalists and send out false info right and left, bounty hunters with snake names who want to show they are Billy Bob Badbutt, drug users/dealers that couldn't or wouldn't tell the truth if their pitiful lives depended upon it, stories that just don't add up from almost everyone, a vermin filled den of sex offenders, and in the end they have to keep their eye on the prize, the location of an innocent and beautiful child.

I would not want their job, but I believe they do. I believe they are doing it they way they feel it needs to be done to solve this case.
I believe they will.


Excellent post. I hope you are right. I try to put faith in LE.. sometimes I fall short and get aggravated with them when I feel like I'm not getting the info.. but just as you said.. they're keeping their info close to the vest.. we (the public) don't need to know everything.. especially if it will hurt the investigation.

Our main goal is finding Haleigh.. at whatever cost.

[KatieLady]

Not aimed at you but that means nothing. The yard is huge. And the finger printing might just be to clock in and out. Or just to get into the office area. Idk just over thinking this a.m I cleaned a huge chemical factory that had all those secutrity type things just to get in the office area but the back where all the chemicals were being manufactored was as open as could be. The bay doors stayed open all day and night. The guys would take their breaks out back where no one could see them. And they would hang out w/ guys from the surrounding factories. They could not get into the office area w/o a punch code but they had no need to go up front. And the security would hang out back w/ them. jmo

But wouldn't he have to be gone a long time as his work is 20-25 minutes away from the MH????

[HenLee]

I have questioned the 2:13 remark when this video came out on 10/2. If you read the police radio transcript in links, one of the officers was already at Tommy's 116 Green St. Wonder why he was there?A friend who is a Police Officer? Domestic call? Didn't Tommy's wife admit to being up till around 4 AM,didn't answer her phone, where was Tommy??? Was he out with his cousin?
These may be things LE need to investigate.
Someone other then Misty was in that home, LE needs to forget Misty or her helping and focus on who was that person. MOO

[Texas48]

How many sets of eyes is this case going to get when all "eyes" have seen the same thing - Misty and her inconsistencies?

Sounds like they need OPENED eyes for a change.

JMO

(And does this attorney not have investigators that work for him or with him? Sounds to me like he's just looking to collect $$. But that's just me.)
Every attorney I know of usually has PI on the payroll but who knows in this law firm.....I just don't think they will be collecting alot of *donations* but..thats just me..
JMO

[Texas48]

I agree with you. How many pair of eyes do we need when the writing is on the wall? JMO. Misty knows what happened. Sorry, but I'm just not buying what she's trying to sell. JMO.

Oh, and good morning all!
Just thinking about the extra pair of eyes...and had to laugh..
Look how many ppl has come into this case and all the foul ups and more circus acts and now...they are getting an *extra* set of eyes and we all know..they come with a person attached to them....LOL....just what this case needs..............IMO

[Acey]

Morning, everyone!


I will tell you what I believe:

I believe LE knows a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT deal and frankly, I don't think they give a big wahoo what we do or do not know.

I believe they aren't releasing some things and are releasing others for a reason.

Here is why I believe as I do:

DUMPSTER:

IMO, the dogs found something in the dumpster. Ok, one dog hits, maybe....two dogs hit, possibly...three dogs hit, something was there.
It is possible that LE isn't sure how it relates to the case, or doesn't want to spook the person they believe responsible without being able to charge them.

NAY NAY:

IMO, Nay2's letter was sent to "shake the bushes" as it were. I also think Nay may have told investigators much more than anyone is fessing up to in this. I have no doubt, at all, that Nay2 would cover her butt in a heartbeat and sell the rest out. It is also my opinion that Nay's letter was coded to let some of the peripheal characters in the drug scene know just what LE had and as a bit of a "warning". It is my firm belief that the previous weekend in Misty's life will prove to reveal more about the night Haleigh went missing.

TOMMY'S TALE:

I also believe that Tommy may have told LE a great deal more than they ever released to the public. However, I do believe that they released what they did for shock value and to shake Misty. It is my belief that LE is pressing her from all sides...even ones we are not privvy to.

GETAWAY:

It is also my believe that Tim Miller is in constant contact with LE. IMO they are aware of every move that Misty made that weekend, every word she uttered and I honestly think Tim believes that Ron will kill Misty if he discovers she had anything to do with that night. Unfortunately, whatever 'undercover" mission was going on there, it was blown to smithereens with the "flicking". It is possible DB could have elicited new info from Misty if given time.

SUMMARY:

You have a plethora of characters in this, that Hollywood could not even cast. Drug dealers, sex offenders, pimps, friends hooking up with crazy mexicans for cash, baby mama's and daddy's that would make any family tree look as twisted as a dogwood, family disputes that drag each other in and out of court, twisted anger issues by many, if not all, involved, and last, but by no means least, a missing 6 year old child.

I see armchair detectives debating all day everyday on how LE should handle this case, how LE isn't doing this or is doing that, etc. etc. etc.
I have to believe that LE knows EXACTLY what they are doing. After all, THEY are the LE in this town and they are the ones FAMILIAR with dealing with these people on a daily basis. They have the experience here, they know the course of action to take, and I firmly believe they are taking it.

Is it quick enough for us?
Maybe not, but we aren't the ones that matter.
Should they pressure Misty more?
Maybe, but does anyone want another "Trenton Duckett" replay where answers are NEVER found?
Should they do this? Should they do that?
Maybe, they should do their jobs as they are trained to do and that is not keeping all of us informed as to what they do and do not have.

I have to give them credit for running an obstacle course of an investigation.

Ducking Nancy Grace and other media's idiocy, bloggers who want to be real journalists and send out false info right and left, bounty hunters with snake names who want to show they are Billy Bob Badbutt, drug users/dealers that couldn't or wouldn't tell the truth if their pitiful lives depended upon it, stories that just don't add up from almost everyone, a vermin filled den of sex offenders, and in the end they have to keep their eye on the prize, the location of an innocent and beautiful child.

I would not want their job, but I believe they do. I believe they are doing it they way they feel it needs to be done to solve this case.
I believe they will.

BassMan - excellent post and worth repeating in the event anyone missed it.

The FDLE CART team, and FDLE CARD team learn something new with each case. The ongoing training of local LE agencies keep them up-to-date on new techniques, which could include how and when to use the media to LE's advantage to rattle or flush out a POI, etc. IMO LE's goal is to recover the missing person no matter how much time it takes while they are preparing an air tight case against whoever committed a crime.

[Texas48]

I hope they find the best private investigator they can.


IF..they get the money/donations then..yes..they need the best of the best..and that counts OUT Cobra...LOL

[TobyWong]

But wouldn't he have to be gone a long time as his work is 20-25 minutes away from the MH????
Today..I am thinking along the lines of misty taking the kids to ron's work, something happeneing to Haleigh there and they disposed of her around there. My mind is even wandering to TN getting a call about it or to come help and thats why she had a picture at the ready to be on the scene so quickly after the 911 call. That's why it looks like tn has taken misty under her wing. I know, what about tn calling Tim Miller? could be they were thinking misty was going to rat them out so to take the heat off them she put it squarely on misty. i have really, really tried to not think about ron being involved but I cannot get past his actions and words.

I feel like I contradict everything i say and think about this case but it's like a whirlwind in my brain. I'm very glad to have a forum to try and work it out. IYKWIM?

[panman]

Excellent post. I hope you are right. I try to put faith in LE.. sometimes I fall short and get aggravated with them when I feel like I'm not getting the info.. but just as you said.. they're keeping their info close to the vest.. we (the public) don't need to know everything.. especially if it will hurt the investigation.

Our main goal is finding Haleigh.. at whatever cost.

I agree Zeep.

Bassman and Destini outdid themselves today. Great thinking.

[Texas48]

Ain't that the TRUTH ....

For some reason I can just picture Tommy & Joe being there, kids running all around, maybe laying down to watch movies, Misty passing out from exhaustion in the middle of it all .... and all the while there's still a houseful of people there partying, the kids aren't even asleep, God only knows who else may have come over meanwhile ... and Misty being just zonked out. For all we know, people could have been there until midnight or later & she doesn't know the difference.

Maybe the back door was bricked open to let smoke out & Haleigh was taken right out the front door.

All just speculation, trying to think outside the box .... I want to know what time Tommy & Joe said they left that MH.
Thinking OUTSIDE the box is a good thing Destini and we should do it more often than not....IMO
actually your theorie has a good ring to it..anything is possible ...JMO

[titanfan217]

Davidson County is showing the case again LC closed and dismissed.

Not sure what it means.

[KatieLady]

Today..I am thinking along the lines of misty taking the kids to ron's work, something happeneing to Haleigh there and they disposed of her around there. My mind is even wandering to TN getting a call about it or to come help and thats why she had a picture at the ready to be on the scene so quickly after the 911 call. That's why it looks like tn has taken misty under her wing. I know, what about tn calling Tim Miller? could be they were thinking misty was going to rat them out so to take the heat off them she put it squarely on misty. i have really, really tried to not think about ron being involved but I cannot get past his actions and words.

I feel like I contradict everything i say and think about this case but it's like a whirlwind in my brain. I'm very glad to have a forum to try and work it out. IYKWIM?

I know exactly what you mean Toby!

What would explain the 20 phone calls to Misty that went unanswered from Ron that night if it happened at Ron's work?

[Destini]

A friend who is a Police Officer? Domestic call? Didn't Tommy's wife admit to being up till around 4 AM,didn't answer her phone, where was Tommy??? Was he out with his cousin?
These may be things LE need to investigate.
Someone other then Misty was in that home, LE needs to forget Misty or her helping and focus on who was that person. MOO

I think it's just too coincidental that the van Cousin Joe had access to was moved & got scratches the same night Haleigh disappears. And it's just too coincidental that Tommy & Joe were at the MH earlier, until we don't even know when. And it's very coincidental that supposedly Cousin Joe stole a gun from Ron & there was bad blood there. And also Misty herself & her family were pointing the finger at Cousin Joe early on. I'm thinking at this point Misty really was passed out & has no clue. I think Tommy & Cousin Joe have the answers.

I think Tommy's trying to cover his own b*** by saying he was there knocking at the door. He may have been in there all along. Could have even taken the kids home & come back with Joe to party.

[Dunlurken]

I have always wondered if that was not the time Haleigh was truly discovered missing. By Misty returning home, by Misty waking up.....who knows? That whole time has always STUCK out at me like a sore thumb.

Misty said she looked for Haleigh. Therefore, she did not call LE immediately. Ron was the one that told her to call 911. JMO.

The timeline doesn't add up.

[Texas48]

Whoa...BassMan...what a post and so early in the morning....you should come in like that every morning cause you sure got my attention....LOL
Your post was so good and may I add...If/when we EVER have a *Billy Bob BadButt* come popping into this case..I'm done...:laugh:

[titanfan217]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php


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[Chica]

I think it's just too coincidental that the van Cousin Joe had access to was moved & got scratches the same night Haleigh disappears. And it's just too coincidental that Tommy & Joe were at the MH earlier, until we don't even know when. And it's very coincidental that supposedly Cousin Joe stole a gun from Ron & there was bad blood there. And also Misty herself & her family were pointing the finger at Cousin Joe early on. I'm thinking at this point Misty really was passed out & has no clue. I think Tommy & Cousin Joe have the answers.

I think Tommy's trying to cover his own b*** by saying he was there knocking at the door. He may have been in there all along. Could have even taken the kids home & come back with Joe to party.

Cousin Joe has always bothered me, too. Especially his leaving for TN that very day. I don't recall Misty saying Cousin Joe came over that evening with Tommy from 5-5:30.

[TobyWong]

If Ron did "it":3 minutes to walk to gate and get to car at PDM.
20 minutes to drive home
10 minutes to do whatever... kill/maim and then make arrangements with Misty to cover his hind end. (and thats giving him super-fast guy powers).
20 minutes drive back to PDM.
3 minutes back to work station at PDM.

56 minutes if he was at a dead run from start to finish.
No way would someone not notice Ron gone in an hour plus.

If Misty showed up at PDM...
What did Ron do?
Carry HaLeigh past the guards and hide her somewhere until he had a chance to dispose of her?
Never going to believe that myself.

I'm going to go with LE's statement Ron is not suspect.

MOO
misty might have gone to his work on a regualr basis, to pick-up money/drugs,or she might've taken him dinner. I used to do that for my husband. And if he were off the grounds, like next door in the wooded area, misty would'nt have to go through security. Also I don't see any security shacks at the entrance to any of the buildings there.?.They had already had a volitile weekend, maybe he pacified her by telling her to come up there for some pills just so he knew where she was. Urgg okay I am getting all over the place. I just know how easy it is to not be working, when you are supposed to be. I think I'll have to come up w/ something eles.:-) There is no way that I think misty can fool everyone this long. I can see her covering for a man that she thinks will take care of her..??

[KatieLady]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php


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TJ better be darn sure he had his story right now that there will be an investigation IMO

[Chica]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php


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I was reading yesterday where some angry posters on another board were all talking about calling DCF. I wish posters would not insert themselves into a case. I am confident that if this actually happened TM would have notified LE.

[TobyWong]

Going with your speculation, Toby.

How did Misty get the kids to Ron's work?
Wouldn't cell pings put her there?

Just being that pesky old devil's advocate.
Either the vehicle that tommy had? Or a purple vehicle I've heard mentioned. K maybe Haleigh was od'ing on whatever she used to get them to sleep, she calls ron he says bring her here to me and shut your phone off.
I think I'm the devils dimwitted cousin today.

I am being swayed by this mornings theroies about misty passing out before timmy left. Good thinking.

[Chica]

misty might have gone to his work on a regualr basis, to pick-up money/drugs,or she might've taken him dinner. I used to do that for my husband. And if he were off the grounds, like next door in the wooded area, misty would'nt have to go through security. Also I don't see any security shacks at the entrance to any of the buildings there.?.They had already had a volitile weekend, maybe he pacified her by telling her to come up there for some pills just so he knew where she was. Urgg okay I am getting all over the place. I just know how easy it is to not be working, when you are supposed to be. I think I'll have to come up w/ something eles.:-) There is no way that I think misty can fool everyone this long. I can see her covering for a man that she thinks will take care of her..??

See Post 311 in Links

• Ronald's work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.

[EMAA]

By george Bassman, I think you got it to a tee on your most incredible post. Thank you!

[Tracian]

I was reading yesterday where some angry posters on another board were all talking about calling DCF. I wish posters would not insert themselves into a case. I am confident that if this actually happened TM would have notified LE.

Posters here said Tim reported this to LE right away; I am not sure which story they believe he reported or when, but apparently, either Tim did not tell LE OR he did, but as the story grew to be more 'interesting' either random posters reported to DCF or maybe someone that blogged about it.

[EMAA]

Either the vehicle that tommy had? Or a purple vehicle I've heard mentioned. K maybe Haleigh was od'ing on whatever she used to get them to sleep, she calls ron he says bring her here to me and shut your phone off.
I think I'm the devils dimwitted cousin today.

I am being swayed by this mornings theroies about misty passing out before timmy left. Good thinking.

She very well could have passed out with just a few tokes off a joint if she had not had any sleep the night before. jmo

[Chica]

I never believed she had any intention of calling 911. She stood at the front door and waited for Ron to come home. Wouldn't it be interesting to know if she ever called Ron from her phone during that time, wouldn't it? I don't think she did.

The timeline doesn't add up? Well, that's what LE keeps saying, isn't it?

I don't think Misty was ever going to call 911 either.

[panman]

misty might have gone to his work on a regualr basis, to pick-up money/drugs,or she might've taken him dinner. I used to do that for my husband. And if he were off the grounds, like next door in the wooded area, misty would'nt have to go through security. Also I don't see any security shacks at the entrance to any of the buildings there.?.They had already had a volitile weekend, maybe he pacified her by telling her to come up there for some pills just so he knew where she was. Urgg okay I am getting all over the place. I just know how easy it is to not be working, when you are supposed to be. I think I'll have to come up w/ something eles.:-) There is no way that I think misty can fool everyone this long. I can see her covering for a man that she thinks will take care of her..??

You used to pick up money/drugs for your hubby? j/k

Other than the weekend with Misty, has it ever been proven that Misty and/or Ron was into doing/dealing drugs? And I don't mean yrs. ago.

[TobyWong]

See Post 311 in Links

• Ronald's work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.
Yes I know they have said that. At this very minute I am accounted for being at work but definately not working. Good thing I own the place :-)

[KatieLady]

Yes I know they have said that. At this very minute I am accounted for being at work but definately not working. Good thing I own the place :-)

I am still :lol: over your devils dimwitted cousin

[TobyWong]

You used to pick up money/drugs for your hubby? j/k

Other than the weekend with Misty, has it ever been proven that Misty and/or Ron was into doing/dealing drugs? And I don't mean yrs. ago.

Ha ha!
I don't recall anything but those incidents w/ drugs.

[TobyWong]

LOL! Wasn't the van at Timmy's? (I assume you meant the van, but we all know what that does...... :scared:)
Does anyone know what Tommy was driving?
That purple car............ where did that purple car go?

Color me the "safety monitor", but wait a sec, Haleigh is od'ing and Ron tells Misty (who has no license) to drive a dying child to his work and has enough forethought to tell her to turn off the phone?

Not saying you are wrong, with this bunch, none of them are going to be MENSA members.
I know it's a stretch. IMO I would'nt think her having no license would scare her off from driving. ron even said he let Haleigh "drive" home on his lap, so I'm thinking no seatbelts for these kids either. Rules and laws do not seem to apply to them.(in their minds)

[panman]

Ha ha!
I don't recall anything but those incidents w/ drugs.

Thats all I recall also.

Rules and laws don't apply to plenty of people.
jmo

[DramaQueen]

LOL! Wasn't the van at Timmy's? (I assume you meant the van, but we all know what that does...... :scared:)
Does anyone know what Tommy was driving?
That purple car............ where did that purple car go?

Color me the "safety monitor", but wait a sec, Haleigh is od'ing and Ron tells Misty (who has no license) to drive a dying child to his work and has enough forethought to tell her to turn off the phone?

Not saying you are wrong, with this bunch, none of them are going to be MENSA members.


Good morning all, thanks for the new thread, Texas, always up bright and early. Bassman, that was an excellent post earlier, you mudt have stopped at Starbucks this am, LOL.

I am in a black funk over this case today.

I don't remember reports of a purple car, but Tommy had a red truck he sold just a couple of days after Haleigh disappeared, didn't he?

[Acey]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php


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The following was posted within the past 2 days:

on 09/01 SKY
http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/ws...ons_Doubts.mp3 (http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/wsky/archive/WSKY_News/2009-09-01_Tim_Miller_on_Rons_Doubts.mp3)
Tim, Marc NeJames and Ron are in an office. Ron is asked by Tim and Mark about why he married Misty, Ron replies to keep his friends close and his enemies closer.

0n 9/13 Geraldo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q&)
Tim states he and Marc ask Ron why he married Misty, ROn replies you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Tim says that must be hard to live with, Ron replies it is, but if I find out she had anything to do with it or did it, Tim states his exact were were 'her teeth will be going out the back of her head'.

On 10/10 Steph
http://stephww.wordpress.com/ (http://stephww.wordpress.com/)
Steph says that Tim told him that Ron and Tim were in Ron's bedroom. Tim asks Ron why he married Misty, Rons says, I have to keep her close til I find out what happened to Haleigh, he then goes to the closet and pulls out a gun and states when I find out where Haleigh is, I'll blow the teeth out the back of her head, then procedes to show him how he will then kill himself.

AH, yesterday
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/...dercover-mama/ (http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/)
States Tim and Ron and Jr. were in Rons bedroom, Ron takes out the gun, states if he finds out she had anything to do with it he'd blow the teeth out the back of her head, then kill himself and take a few others with him. Tim says Ron give me the damn gun, you don't need a gun around here, which Ron replies No, I'll need it one more time.


It starts w/ Tim, Marc and Ron in an office and ends with Tim, Ron and Jr. in Rons bedroom.

[HenLee]

I think it's just too coincidental that the van Cousin Joe had access to was moved & got scratches the same night Haleigh disappears. And it's just too coincidental that Tommy & Joe were at the MH earlier, until we don't even know when. And it's very coincidental that supposedly Cousin Joe stole a gun from Ron & there was bad blood there. And also Misty herself & her family were pointing the finger at Cousin Joe early on. I'm thinking at this point Misty really was passed out & has no clue. I think Tommy & Cousin Joe have the answers.

I think Tommy's trying to cover his own b*** by saying he was there knocking at the door. He may have been in there all along. Could have even taken the kids home & come back with Joe to party. I to am at a point where I believe Joe and Tommy have the answers LE need, NOT Misty. I think Misty went to bed after the two men left and they returned later with the plan to take Haleigh. If o the two of them probably made sure Haleigh and Misty were drugged so they would NOT wake up. I hope I am wrong... This is also just my opinion

[DramaQueen]

The following was posted within the past 2 days:

on 09/01 SKY
http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/ws...ons_Doubts.mp3 (http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/wsky/archive/WSKY_News/2009-09-01_Tim_Miller_on_Rons_Doubts.mp3)
Tim, Marc NeJames and Ron are in an office. Ron is asked by Tim and Mark about why he married Misty, Ron replies to keep his friends close and his enemies closer.

0n 9/13 Geraldo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q&)
Tim states he and Marc ask Ron why he married Misty, ROn replies you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Tim says that must be hard to live with, Ron replies it is, but if I find out she had anything to do with it or did it, Tim states his exact were were 'her teeth will be going out the back of her head'.

On 10/10 Steph
http://stephww.wordpress.com/ (http://stephww.wordpress.com/)
Steph says that Tim told him that Ron and Tim were in Ron's bedroom. Tim asks Ron why he married Misty, Rons says, I have to keep her close til I find out what happened to Haleigh, he then goes to the closet and pulls out a gun and states when I find out where Haleigh is, I'll blow the teeth out the back of her head, then procedes to show him how he will then kill himself.

AH, yesterday
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/...dercover-mama/ (http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/)
States Tim and Ron and Jr. were in Rons bedroom, Ron takes out the gun, states if he finds out she had anything to do with it he'd blow the teeth out the back of her head, then kill himself and take a few others with him. Tim says Ron give me the damn gun, you don't need a gun around here, which Ron replies No, I'll need it one more time.


It starts w/ Tim, Marc and Ron in an office and ends with Tim, Ron and Jr. in Rons bedroom.

well then according to Ron's statements posted here, by divorcing Misty does that mean he finally has found out where Haleigh is?

I wish something in this case made even the teeniest amount of sense

[Chica]

The following was posted within the past 2 days:

on 09/01 SKY
http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/ws...ons_Doubts.mp3 (http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/wsky/archive/WSKY_News/2009-09-01_Tim_Miller_on_Rons_Doubts.mp3)
Tim, Marc NeJames and Ron are in an office. Ron is asked by Tim and Mark about why he married Misty, Ron replies to keep his friends close and his enemies closer.

0n 9/13 Geraldo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q&)
Tim states he and Marc ask Ron why he married Misty, ROn replies you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Tim says that must be hard to live with, Ron replies it is, but if I find out she had anything to do with it or did it, Tim states his exact were were 'her teeth will be going out the back of her head'.

On 10/10 Steph
http://stephww.wordpress.com/ (http://stephww.wordpress.com/)
Steph says that Tim told him that Ron and Tim were in Ron's bedroom. Tim asks Ron why he married Misty, Rons says, I have to keep her close til I find out what happened to Haleigh, he then goes to the closet and pulls out a gun and states when I find out where Haleigh is, I'll blow the teeth out the back of her head, then procedes to show him how he will then kill himself.

AH, yesterday
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/...dercover-mama/ (http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/)
States Tim and Ron and Jr. were in Rons bedroom, Ron takes out the gun, states if he finds out she had anything to do with it he'd blow the teeth out the back of her head, then kill himself and take a few others with him. Tim says Ron give me the damn gun, you don't need a gun around here, which Ron replies No, I'll need it one more time.


It starts w/ Tim, Marc and Ron in an office and ends with Tim, Ron and Jr. in Rons bedroom.

I am so glad that you reposted this. It needed to be seen again today.

[W_D_1]

Yes I know they have said that. At this very minute I am accounted for being at work but definately not working. Good thing I own the place :-)


If there were any periods of time when no one saw Ron at work he would be UNaccounted for. Most reports have him accounted for all night.

[Destini]

I to am at a point where I believe Joe and Tommy have the answers LE need, NOT Misty. I think Misty went to bed after the two men left and they returned later with the plan to take Haleigh. If o the two of them probably made sure Haleigh and Misty were drugged so they would NOT wake up. I hope I am wrong... This is also just my opinion

Or they blocked the door open earlier & came back to steal something & Haleigh woke up .... maybe

[titanfan217]

If there were any periods of time when no one saw Ron at work he would be UNaccounted for. Most reports have him accounted for all night.

Not according to his attorney.

[W_D_1]

Not according to his attorney.


When did Shoemaker say Ron was unaccounted for at work that night?

[Elle]

If there were any periods of time when no one saw Ron at work he would be UNaccounted for. Most reports have him accounted for all night.

Shoemaker states any amount of time he was not seen was very short. LE is aware of these times. That there was no way in those times that he would have been able to do anything.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/12/ng.01.html

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. He never left.

GRACE: OK. Terry, what did he do for a living? What was it exactly he did there?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator, among some other responsibilities.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat. He did what?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator.

GRACE: OK. Were there other people around him observing him operating the crane, amongst other things?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He was there all night. You know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with FDLE, that people didn`t actually see him, but they were for very short periods of time. And people saw him there all night, for the most part.

GRACE: And his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away?

SHOEMAKER: A little less than that. You know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes.

GRACE: OK. Give him 30. He would have to have been gone about an hour-and-a-half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back...

SHOEMAKER: Exactly.

GRACE: ... and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. Was there that big of a gap of people seeing him?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely not, Nancy.

[Tracian]

When did Shoemaker say Ron was unaccounted for at work that night?

gnat poo out of pepper again:


Shoemaker said that yes, people saw him that night, but basically he was sure that people did not see him every minute of his shift; but he was not MIA for long periods of time

I believe he said this on the last Nancy that delt with this case.

[Dunlurken]

If there were any periods of time when no one saw Ron at work he would be UNaccounted for. Most reports have him accounted for all night.Okay, let me ask this. Ron "appears" to be a loving father. Why would he intentionally let something happen to his daughter? :confused:

[TobyWong]

If there were any periods of time when no one saw Ron at work he would be UNaccounted for. Most reports have him accounted for all night.

Worded that way does make it seem more confident that he would not have to much free time.

[DramaQueen]

Morning, DQ! Yeah, but it was decaf! :)

I forgot about Tommy's red truck! The red truck! How could I forget the red truck? (It was the decaf!)

The purple car was supposedly seen by a neighbor, in the driveway of the MH, way back in the beginning. IIRC, it was never even verfied.

Ok, (on another tangent).

The night Haleigh went missing.

It was reported that Misty made several calls to Timmy. (We have never found out why, I want to know what she said to him.)

Now, when the pond was being searched, it was reported that Timmy kept calling GGMS house, wanting to talk with Misty and Ron wouldn't let him. Timmy kept calling wanting to talk to Misty and finally left an ugly message. Ron then reported "harrassing" calls to LE and they made a report. (What was so daggoned important that Timmy needed to talk with Misty so bad?)

I have always wondered if Misty didn't call Timmy that night to help her. I have always wondered if Timmy took care of things and Misty didn't really know where Haleigh was. I have always wondered if Timmy's insistence that night to talk with Misty was to let her know, "Haleigh isn't there, relax".

ALL MY OPINION AND I HAVE AN OVERACTIVE IMAGINATION!

I have thought of that too, Timmy calling to let her know that even though the pond was beiong drained, it was in fact the wrong pond.....now if they ever search Shell Pond, IMO, this case might get some answers.

[Dunlurken]

IIRC, that is not true, TF.

His attorney answered NG last night when she asked him directly if there was 1 to 1 1/2 hours that night in which Ron could have been unaccounted for.

The attorney said, "No."

I think we're on the same page. Ron was as shocked as the rest of us, more so, when he came home and found his daughter gone. Go back to the 911 call...... "why'd you let someone steal my daughter B****"?

[W_D_1]

gnat poo out of pepper again:


Shoemaker said that yes, people saw him that night, but basically he was sure that people did not see him every minute of his shift; but he was not MIA for long periods of time

I believe he said this on the last Nancy that delt with this case.




Thanks Elle and Tracian. I haven't been able to keep up as much lately but didn't remember hearing there were any unaccounted for times that night. Short periods of time, to me, mean nothing. Everyone has to use the bathroom so I would expect small amounts of time to be unaccounted for.

[DramaQueen]

Okay, let me ask this. Ron "appears" to be a loving father. Why would he intentionally let something happen to his daughter? :confused:


and if something accidentallly happened to his much loved daughter, why would he cover up the crime?

[W_D_1]

Okay, let me ask this. Ron "appears" to be a loving father. Why would he intentionally let something happen to his daughter? :confused:


Huh? First off what does that have to do with my post? And second, who said he intenionally let something happen to his daughter?

[Tracian]

GRACE: Let me just clarify again, and correct me if I`m wrong because I`ll find out later. At some point, the truth will be uncovered. Isn`t it true, Mr. Shoemaker, that Ronald Cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 AM?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. He never left.

GRACE: OK. Terry, what did he do for a living? What was it exactly he did there?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator, among some other responsibilities.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat. He did what?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator.

GRACE: OK. Were there other people around him observing him operating the crane, amongst other things?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He was there all night. You know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with FDLE, that people didn`t actually see him, but they were for very short periods of time. And people saw him there all night, for the most part.

GRACE: And his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away?

SHOEMAKER: A little less than that. You know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes.

GRACE: OK. Give him 30. He would have to have been gone about an hour-and-a-half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back...

SHOEMAKER: Exactly.

GRACE: ... and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. Was there that big of a gap of people seeing him?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely not, Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Mr. Shoemaker, you`re giving me your word on that?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely, Nancy.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/12/ng.01.html

[Dunlurken]

I agree his attorney has an agenda, protect his client.
I agree NG is not the most newsworthy program.

However, I also agree, that LE is satisfied with the location of Ron that night. They, after all, have every cell record available for that time period that night. They have so much info we have no clue about.

LE said they are satisfied he was at work....that's good enough for me.
Me too. As I mentioned yesterday, I believe Ron had his cell phone waiting for a call back from Misty. Which he never got. The "pings" will put him at work.

Now, as to Misty. Her cell phone was turned off, so no cell phone pings. JMO.

[DramaQueen]

I think we're on the same page. Ron was as shocked as the rest of us, more so, when he came home and found his daughter gone. Go back to the 911 call...... "why'd you let someone steal my daughter B****"?


or was that simply shouted in the background for the benefit of the 911 operator? Peeps were shocked that he would refer to Misty like that, I mean, it did seem strange, I know alot of people with rough edges and I am sure those would not be the first words out of their mouths in a situation like that. And I know tragedies like this can very often tear couples apart, one starts to blame the other, but that doesn't usually set in until some time later, after they have had time to mull over the situation.

[Dunlurken]

or was that simply shouted in the background for the benefit of the 911 operator? Peeps were shocked that he would refer to Misty like that, I mean, it did seem strange, I know alot of people with rough edges and I am sure those would not be the first words out of their mouths in a situation like that. And I know tragedies like this can very often tear couples apart, one starts to blame the other, but that doesn't usually set in until some time later, after they have had time to mull over the situation.I guess my point is this. Ron knew Haleigh was lost during Misty's watch. Not his. JMO.

[dustyk]

I just have problems with the support this family is giving to Misty especially if they think her or her family may be involved. When I watched the video of Ronald at the tattoo place I noticed that his pleas to Haleigh was that He loved her...He really loves her why did he have to repeat that. (hope someone can find that video I am at work and blocked from many sites) almost like convincing her. I still think this could be a copycat of CA and that Ronald has Haleigh hidden and is doing this for donations and the latest release from his lawyer just confirms that. I do feel that his plan didn't include having to marry Misty but when the pressure about her age was on that was the only way out. Now that there is money to be made with this new foundation He needs to get rid of her if he wants sympathy and also would those funds be community property if they were still married? This is just my opinion!!!!!JMO JMO JMO

[titanfan217]

IIRC, that is not true, TF.

His attorney answered NG last night when she asked him directly if there was 1 to 1 1/2 hours that night in which Ron could have been unaccounted for.

The attorney said, "No."

I didn't say how long... and would you expect an attorney to say yes to that question.

[Elle]

Thanks Elle and Tracian. I haven't been able to keep up as much lately but didn't remember hearing there were any unaccounted for times that night. Short periods of time, to me, mean nothing. Everyone has to use the bathroom so I would expect small amounts of time to be unaccounted for.


Exactly my opinion also. There could be numerous innocuous reasons why not every second is accounted for with visual contact on him. What matters is that those times were not long enough for him to have done anything.
imo

[DramaQueen]

Me too. As I mentioned yesterday, I believe Ron had his cell phone waiting for a call back from Misty. Which he never got. The "pings" will put him at work.

Now, as to Misty. Her cell phone was turned off, so no cell phone pings. JMO.

they have a fight before he leaves for work

he tries to call her 20 times from work to no avail

she has his children

Tommy goes and says no one is home

Ron WORKS OVERTIME AND stops at the store on the way home

what in the heck is wrong with this picture?

[Acey]

Either the vehicle that tommy had? Or a purple vehicle I've heard mentioned. K maybe Haleigh was od'ing on whatever she used to get them to sleep, she calls ron he says bring her here to me and shut your phone off.
I think I'm the devils dimwitted cousin today.

I am being swayed by this mornings theroies about misty passing out before timmy left. Good thinking.


Please provide a link for the 1) purple vehicle you heard mentioned and 2) "od'ing"


Also, as a gentle reminder so we're not forced into a coffee break today or the board closing:


9-21-09 9:34 a.m. Post 10

Coldwater (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/member.php?u=14)
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If i have to stay on this thread all day
AND IGNORE THE OTHER 30 AND TRU BOARDS I WILL.


"maybe misty will disappear"

"or she could"

"it's clear we "have"

"whoever helped her"

"more than likely"

"I really believe"

"he looked unhappy, miserable"

"I Imagine"

"he pretending"

"you are suggesting"

"implications are"

All the above is what??? Wishful thinking, you know this how,
gossip, rumors, speculation.

Well any further posts not "specific" about things that have happened or will happen with proof will be deleted first, next time posters banned.

You have been warned so many times it disgusting. You have taken this case so far off the planet at times you should be held to count by someone - maybe in court someday.

If you want a chat thread to spout your "guesses", "insults", "accusing"
"claiming you know how others feel" - take it to a different forum,
we will not leave this open for bashing any and all you talk to or about.

This forum is about a tragedy, you are turning it into a soap opera.
No one in the family or related to them SHOULD HAVE to read garbage like you have posted. If you feel that way about them, you all seem to be able to find info, write to the family and tell them.

This forum in the future will stay on topic, be respectful to people involved and to posters or you can find one that has no moderator and allows such unreal speculation.

Enjoy your day - either here or somewhere else.


Praying today is the day HaLeigh is returned to her family.

[DramaQueen]

I guess my point is this. Ron knew Haleigh was lost during Misty's watch. Not his. JMO.


I guess I have a problem with his first instinct being to place the blame somewhere, and it just happens to land on the teenager he chose to leave his children with while he went to work, knowing full well the evenets of the previous few days, that's all, his instinct being first and foremost to place the blame, a gownup version of I didn't do it, Mom!

[KatieLady]

they have a fight before he leaves for work

he tries to call her 20 times from work to no avail

she has his children

Tommy goes and says no one is home

Ron WORKS OVERTIME AND stops at the store on the way home

what in the heck is wrong with this picture?

Everything is wrong IF Tommy really went over and IF he called Ron and told him Misty wasn't there. We just don't know.....

IMO

[W_D_1]

snipped per CW


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/12/ng.01.html


Did you catch Melodie's first question? Apparently she only half listened when Teresa was on and talked about oxycontin. Teresa clearly said she'd had to take it before but this caller twisted it to Teresa hinting there was Oxycontin in the home?

[DramaQueen]

Everything is wrong IF Tommy really went over and IF he called Ron and told him Misty wasn't there. We just don't know.....

IMO

IMO, I guess I should have said he is worried enough to call Tommy and ask him to check on her

we know he did that, right? So either way, the picture makes no sense to me. Whether Tommy went or not, Ron was still concerned anough to ask him to do it

that makes it even worse if Tommy didn't call him back

[W_D_1]

Everything is wrong IF Tommy really went over and IF he called Ron and told him Misty wasn't there. We just don't know.....

IMO


And let's not forget Tommy called Timmy after Ron called him. Something kinda strange about all of that.

[dustyk]

they have a fight before he leaves for work

he tries to call her 20 times from work to no avail

she has his children

Tommy goes and says no one is home

Ron WORKS OVERTIME AND stops at the store on the way home

what in the heck is wrong with this picture?
Nothing is wrong with this picture if Ronald calls her 20 times to make sure her phone is off and calls her brothers house to make sure she is doing what he wants her to do and not there. Ron works OT to; make sure he has an alibi and stops at that particular store to be seen on camera. And if Tommy goes there of course she is not home. Hopefully Haleigh is safe with a relative and maybe being moved around to stay hidden.JMO

[Dunlurken]

Everything is wrong IF Tommy really went over and IF he called Ron and told him Misty wasn't there. We just don't know.....

IMO

I'm curious why LE hasn't released more information. Are they "laying in wait"? Trying to add a bit of humor because lord knows we could use some. JMO.

I would like to see where the cell phone pings take us, etc.

[GinoA797]

I don't know what has happened to Haleigh, my head is spinning after reading all of your excellent posts. Very informative. Let's hope Haleigh gets found today....

[2boysMom]

I didn't say how long... and would you expect an attorney to say yes to that question.


Do you think Ron murdered and disposed of HaLeigh while he was at work? Not only his attorney "says yes", so does LE. Heck Crystal doesn't even think Ron had anything to do with it.

[Tracian]

Did you catch Melodie's first question? Apparently she only half listened when Teresa was on and talked about oxycontin. Teresa clearly said she'd had to take it before but this caller twisted it to Teresa hinting there was Oxycontin in the home?


Yeah, I heard that; of course even if there was, it is not a crime to have medications; and if Haleigh did ingest medications and overdosed, the person who was her care giver would be responsible.

[Dunlurken]

:w00t:

I'm glad I don't live in that person's world. JMO.

[KatieLady]

IMO, I guess I should have said he is worried enough to call Tommy and ask him to check on her

we know he did that, right? So either way, the picture makes no sense to me. Whether Tommy went or not, Ron was still concerned anough to ask him to do it

that makes it even worse if Tommy didn't call him back

DQ...I believe what Ron has said is that he called Tommy's house to ask if she was there. I have never read/heard Ron confirm that he asked Tommy to go over there. IMO

[2boysMom]

IMO, I guess I should have said he is worried enough to call Tommy and ask him to check on her

we know he did that, right? So either way, the picture makes no sense to me. Whether Tommy went or not, Ron was still concerned anough to ask him to do it

that makes it even worse if Tommy didn't call him back

No, Ron called Tommy to see if Misty was there, he didn't ask Tommy to do anything. IMO

[DramaQueen]

I am not familiar with Shell Pond..can you give me more info. is that close to the mh?


Shell Pond is not far from where they were living, it is very deep and Cousin Joe liked to watch alligators there, its down a very long way overgrown dirt road with tree/bush branches close on both sides, easy to scratch a vehicle if you were traveling in the dark of night

[Tracian]

DQ...I believe what Ron has said is that he called Tommy's house to ask if she was there. I have never read/heard Ron confirm that he asked Tommy to go over there. IMO


And nothing to confirm that Tommy ever called Ron back, or if he did what he told him.

[HeadsOrTails]

Cousin Joe has always bothered me, too. Especially his leaving for TN that very day. I don't recall Misty saying Cousin Joe came over that evening with Tommy from 5-5:30.

He stayed at the other brother's in Crescent City so if he came, Timmy would have to be with him possibly. Who knows? We are depending on Croslin timelines.

The only place I've ever heard it mentioned that Joe was there was when NG talked over Teresa and it sounds like Teresa said yes the cousin was there but she was answering the previous question on the satellite time delay.

[Dunlurken]

And nothing to confirm that Tommy ever called Ron back, or if he did what he told him.That's the thing. I highly doubt Tommy ever called Ron back, so Ron just strolled on by the 7-11 for some beer and smokes after a hard day's work. Boy, was he shocked when he got home. JMO.

[W_D_1]

He stayed at the other brother's in Crescent City so if he came, Timmy would have to be with him possibly. Who knows? We are depending on Croslin timelines.

The only place I've ever heard it mentioned that Joe was there was when NG talked over Teresa and it sounds like Teresa said yes the cousin was there but she was answering the previous question on the satellite time delay.


Chelsea also talked about someone staying with them. That was after it came out about Cousin Joe and she didn't deny it was him.

[DramaQueen]

DQ...I believe what Ron has said is that he called Tommy's house to ask if she was there. I have never read/heard Ron confirm that he asked Tommy to go over there. IMO

Oh Katie, I have totally interpreted that wrong from the get go! Pardon me, everyone, I was totally under the impression Ron called Tommy and asked him if Misty was HOME. And Tommy went to check on her.

ok gotta run for now, take my gloom and doom somewhere else, it must be the weather, it always gets me down when its cold and rainy.

Check you guys later, and again, I do apologize!:blushing:

[Justice4all]

TJ better be darn sure he had his story right now that there will be an investigation IMO

If TM reported all of this to the LE when it happen why are they just investigating it now after AH's post came out about it?

[2boysMom]

Shell Pond is not far from where they were living, it is very deep and Cousin Joe liked to watch alligators there, its down a very long way overgrown dirt road with tree/bush branches close on both sides, easy to scratch a vehicle if you were traveling in the dark of night

OMG, I hope they searched there. Don't remember hearing about it though.

[KatieLady]

Oh Katie, I have totally interpreted that wrong from the get go! Pardon me, everyone, I was totally under the impression Ron called Tommy and asked him if Misty was HOME. And Tommy went to check on her.

ok gotta run for now, take my gloom and doom somewhere else, it must be the weather, it always gets me down when its cold and rainy.

Check you guys later, and again, I do apologize!:blushing:

Not a prob DQ...this case is very confusing!

[Justice4all]

Posters here said Tim reported this to LE right away; I am not sure which story they believe he reported or when, but apparently, either Tim did not tell LE OR he did, but as the story grew to be more 'interesting' either random posters reported to DCF or maybe someone that blogged about it.

Exactly Tracian. Something doesn't sound right.

[2boysMom]

That's the thing. I highly doubt Tommy ever called Ron back, so Ron just strolled on by the 7-11 for some beer and smokes after a hard day's work. Boy, was he shocked when he got home. JMO.

bbm

An act of an innocent man, IMO

[KatieLady]

If TM reported all of this to the LE when it happen why are they just investigating it now after AH's post came out about it?

Not sure I believe the story written today Justice

[Dunlurken]

bbm

An act of an innocent man, IMO

^5. I agree.

[2boysMom]

We don't really know what their coversation was do we?

Well, yes we do. Ron's statement regarding the call. And I believe him over Tommy. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Yeah, I heard that; of course even if there was, it is not a crime to have medications; and if Haleigh did ingest medications and overdosed, the person who was her care giver would be responsible.

I would expect medications as strong as oxy to be kept out of the reach of children. A responsible person wouldn't just leave them laying around, especially with children in the house.

You can't pass that responsibility to a care giver, IMO.

[Acey]

Or they blocked the door open earlier & came back to steal something & Haleigh woke up .... maybe

If an intruder was in the home, HaLeigh could have woken up and turned the light on thinking her daddy was home from work. If that was the case, a reason for her disappearance could be because she knew the intruder.

[Justice4all]

Not sure I believe the story written today Justice

I don't either...

[Chica]

and if something accidentallly happened to his much loved daughter, why would he cover up the crime?

That makes no sense at all to me.

[Chica]

they have a fight before he leaves for work

he tries to call her 20 times from work to no avail

she has his children

Tommy goes and says no one is home

Ron WORKS OVERTIME AND stops at the store on the way home

what in the heck is wrong with this picture?

What is wrong it that we don't know Tommy said she wasn't home. And that is a huge unknown factor.

[Tracian]

I would expect medications as strong as oxy to be kept out of the reach of children. A responsible person wouldn't just leave them laying around, especially with children in the house.

You can't pass that responsibility to a care giver, IMO.


Yes, you can:

Suppose that Ron had a script for oxy...he had them put up properly, and goes to work; IF Misty took them down, for whatever reason, and a child got into them, yes it falls to her.

IF Ron even left them in reach, and a child got into them, and Misty didn't call 911 for help, but rather allow the child to die, and hide the body, again it goes to her.

[W_D_1]

I would expect medications as strong as oxy to be kept out of the reach of children. A responsible person wouldn't just leave them laying around, especially with children in the house.

You can't pass that responsibility to a care giver, IMO.


You assume they would have been just lying around. If there was Oxy in the home and out of reach, and a curious child got into them then yes, the responsibility would belong to the caregiver.

[Dunlurken]

It's time to call a spade a spade.Snipped to address

You're on a roll today! :thumbsup:

[W_D_1]

another excellent post bassman...you are on a roll today my friend!


ita.......

[Tracian]

Another excellent post BassMan...You are on a roll today my friend!



ITA. excellent posts by BassMan!

[Chica]

I guess I have a problem with his first instinct being to place the blame somewhere, and it just happens to land on the teenager he chose to leave his children with while he went to work, knowing full well the evenets of the previous few days, that's all, his instinct being first and foremost to place the blame, a gownup version of I didn't do it, Mom!

I think Ron's accusation is very justified at that moment. Picture yourself coming home to find the babysitter doesn't know where you son or daughter is. Do you really think you would be courteous and say "You let them take my child, honey"? No way! I would have my hands around their throat squeezing while screaming "Why did YOU let this happen"? Maybe it's just me, but I would be frantic and blaming the person with whom I had entrusted their care. So, in other words, don't ever babysit for me,

[playnice]

[QUOTE=BassMan;13557905]



Post 174. Excellent Post.:thumbup:

[2boysMom]

Nevermind.



Let me be strung up with a new rope from the highest tree, but I have to say this.

Ron is not the Prince Charming of this world. Let's get real, here. Ron has rough edges, he is loud, obnoxious, he cusses like a sailor, he has to be in control of everything, he is a male pig in many ways.

He will never be nominated for Father Of The Year, either. He had unsavory characters in and out of his house. He had questionable relationships with younger women, moved one in and put her in charge of his children.

However, I do not believe and will not believe for one moment that he harmed his child, or that he had ever harmed either of them. I don't believe he even knows what happened to her.

He married Misty because to me, he is so arrogant he believed he could control and manipulate the truth out of Misty, something LE has not been able to do. He isn't covering for Misty, he wants his daughter and frankly, he does what he wants to do in order to get to her. Period.

This family is not, for Pete's sake, the Cleavers in any form or fashion.
They are full of dysfunction the likes most of us will never encounter.
However, I truly believe Ron did the best he KNEW how to do for Haleigh and Ron Jr. He worked, provided and loved those children. Just because he was unable to provide them with "licensed and approved childcare" or "because his friends were not all security cleared doctors and lawyers from the uppercrust of society" will never prove that he didn't give them the best that he KNEW how to give them.

You can dislike him because he is arrogant.
You can disike him because he is a chauvenist.
You can dislike him because he is loud, obnoxious and humiliating.
You can dislike him because he thinks he knows everything.
You can dislike him because of who he chooses to have relationships with.
You can dislike him because in hindsight he has made poor choices.
You can dislike him because he is controlling and manipulative.

HOWEVER.....

You cannot accuse him of being part of a crime, even more, the abduction of his own daughter, because you do not like him for any of the reasons above.

DISLIKE/DISAGREEMENT does not equal GUILTY.

It's time to call a spade a spade.

You'r on a roll today Bassman! Another great post! Thank you :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[?noanswer]

Update on gun story investigation.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php

JMO

[TobyWong]

Please provide a link for the 1) purple vehicle you heard mentioned and 2) "od'ing"


Also, as a gentle reminder so we're not forced into a coffee break today or the board closing:


9-21-09 9:34 a.m. Post 10

Coldwater (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/member.php?u=14)
Member
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 520



If i have to stay on this thread all day
AND IGNORE THE OTHER 30 AND TRU BOARDS I WILL.


"maybe misty will disappear"

"or she could"

"it's clear we "have"

"whoever helped her"

"more than likely"

"I really believe"

"he looked unhappy, miserable"

"I Imagine"

"he pretending"

"you are suggesting"

"implications are"

All the above is what??? Wishful thinking, you know this how,
gossip, rumors, speculation.

Well any further posts not "specific" about things that have happened or will happen with proof will be deleted first, next time posters banned.

You have been warned so many times it disgusting. You have taken this case so far off the planet at times you should be held to count by someone - maybe in court someday.

If you want a chat thread to spout your "guesses", "insults", "accusing"
"claiming you know how others feel" - take it to a different forum,
we will not leave this open for bashing any and all you talk to or about.

This forum is about a tragedy, you are turning it into a soap opera.
No one in the family or related to them SHOULD HAVE to read garbage like you have posted. If you feel that way about them, you all seem to be able to find info, write to the family and tell them.

This forum in the future will stay on topic, be respectful to people involved and to posters or you can find one that has no moderator and allows such unreal speculation.

Enjoy your day - either here or somewhere else.


Praying today is the day HaLeigh is returned to her family.
Isn't it all speculation?? I will have to search high and low for mention of the purple car. But I will try. As far as the od'ing it was me thinking about what would or could kill a child. Would'nt a link be nessecary for misty being gone or an intruder or just about anything we think of?? We have no body, until we do we can only guess as to what might've happened to her. It's very hard to come up w/ senarios of different possibilities could've happened. I'm always hesitant of typing cause you never know if a word will trigger a "link please" response. There are not many facts in this case. Especially that everyone can agree on. But you're right if we are to follow this post from CW than there really is'nt too much more anyone can say.

[Chica]

I would expect medications as strong as oxy to be kept out of the reach of children. A responsible person wouldn't just leave them laying around, especially with children in the house.

You can't pass that responsibility to a care giver, IMO.

Anyone who is using/snorting oxy around children is NOT responsible. And who knows who brought the oxy or to where it was brought? To suggest these medications should be kept away from children made me laugh. The only reason these irresponsible people would hide them was so they would have more for themselves.

[W_D_1]

Isn't it all speculation?? I will have to search high and low for mention of the purple car. But I will try. As far as the od'ing it was me thinking about what would or could kill a child. Would'nt a link be nessecary for misty being gone or an intruder or just about anything we think of?? We have no body, until we do we can only guess as to what might've happened to her. It's very hard to come up w/ senarios of different possibilities could've happened. I'm always hesitant of typing cause you never know if a word will trigger a "link please" response. There are not many facts in this case. Especially that everyone can agree on. But you're right if we are to follow this post from CW than there really is'nt too much more anyone can say.


The only mentions of the purple car that I can remember is the witness claiming she saw Misty pick Haleigh up from the bus stop but her story changed a couple of times. Others have discussed it being behind the crime scene tape and speculated that it meant the car was home that night but we don't know that it's true. Ron got home before the cops were called and the police might have used it as an anchor, or start/end spot, for the crime scene tape.

[titanfan217]

Do you think Ron murdered and disposed of HaLeigh while he was at work? Not only his attorney "says yes", so does LE. Heck Crystal doesn't even think Ron had anything to do with it.

Are you trying to put words in my mouth? I didn't say any of that.

[Chica]

Isn't it all speculation?? I will have to search high and low for mention of the purple car. But I will try. As far as the od'ing it was me thinking about what would or could kill a child. Would'nt a link be nessecary for misty being gone or an intruder or just about anything we think of?? We have no body, until we do we can only guess as to what might've happened to her. It's very hard to come up w/ senarios of different possibilities could've happened. I'm always hesitant of typing cause you never know if a word will trigger a "link please" response. There are not many facts in this case. Especially that everyone can agree on. But you're right if we are to follow this post from CW than there really is'nt too much more anyone can say.

The purple car has been discussed many times and there is a picture of the car in one of the links from day 1. The question of Haleigh od'g in my opinion is fair game as it was in N2's letter and it is still speculation. I don't see anything wrong with posting about them. Were just theorizing. Oh, well.

[titanfan217]

DQ...I believe what Ron has said is that he called Tommy's house to ask if she was there. I have never read/heard Ron confirm that he asked Tommy to go over there. IMO

That came from LE and what Tommy had said.

[Chica]

Are you trying to put words in my mouth? I didn't say any of that.

What are you saying then?

[?noanswer]

The purple car has been discussed many times and there is a picture of the car in one of the links from day 1. The question of Haleigh od'g in my opinion is fair game as it was in N2's letter and it is still speculation. I don't see anything wrong with posting about them. Were just theorizing. Oh, well.


The only problem with N's letter is that she was relaying information that LE had supposedly told her that another person had said. 3rd hand information. N's letter was not released by LE, but someone else. JMO

[Chica]

You'r on a roll today Bassman! Another great post! Thank you :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Another Great Post BassMan !! ITA

[FrankieBones1]

Morning, everyone!
I will tell you what I believe:<<<Snipped for bandwidth only as per Coldwater's request re: quoting long posts>>>I believe LE knows a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT deal and frankly, I don't think they give a big wahoo what we do or do not know.


Wow! Great post, Bass.

[titanfan217]

Isn't it all speculation?? I will have to search high and low for mention of the purple car. But I will try. As far as the od'ing it was me thinking about what would or could kill a child. Would'nt a link be nessecary for misty being gone or an intruder or just about anything we think of?? We have no body, until we do we can only guess as to what might've happened to her. It's very hard to come up w/ senarios of different possibilities could've happened. I'm always hesitant of typing cause you never know if a word will trigger a "link please" response. There are not many facts in this case. Especially that everyone can agree on. But you're right if we are to follow this post from CW than there really is'nt too much more anyone can say.

There was an early report about a neighbor seeing the purple car there "all evening" but if that was true, how would RC have gotten to work.

[titanfan217]

Nevermind.


snipped


It's time to call a spade a spade.

All of that 'cause RC's attorney said that there were time(s) when Ron couldn't be accounted for that night -- not exact words.

[Tracian]

All of that 'cause RC's attorney said that there were time(s) when Ron couldn't be accounted for that night -- not exact words.


I posted the transcript, the times were not long enough for him to leave, get home, and come back. minutes here and there, not hours.


ETA: not accounted for is not what he said anyway, he said that he was not seen, for that matter he could have been in the rest room.

[EMAA]

OOps! there you go again Bassman. Keep up the great post. You keep talking and I'll keep :thumbsup:

[Justice4all]

Update on gun story investigation.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5438311.php

JMO

from the link: Our source also says the sheriff's office has not yet been involved in this matter, but are they being kept in the loop should something criminal evolve from the DCF investigation.

I thought Tim went to the LE about this matter back when it happen? Why does it sound like they are just finding out about it now?

[seeker]

Praying this morning for answers soon ....

I get so confused with all the tales we hear as to what is fact & what is rumor. And I can't remember this: Do we know what time Tommy & Joe & kids came over to the MH? Do we know what time they supposedly left? Was this all after Ron went to work?
Who knows! The TRUTH is up for grabs.

[Acey]

I would expect medications as strong as oxy to be kept out of the reach of children. A responsible person wouldn't just leave them laying around, especially with children in the house.

You can't pass that responsibility to a care giver, IMO.

Have documents been released by LE indicating what was taken from the home, or has anything been released by LE indicating if any type of drugs were found at 202 Green Lane following HaLeigh's disappearance?

[HenLee]

from the link:

I thought Tim went to the LE about this matter back when it happen? Why does it sound like they are just finding out about it now?My guess is that as soon as the "exclusive" information hit the internet the telephone at FDCS has not stopped ringing.
Didn't Cobra at one time make the same statement long ago? I hope if TM is reporting this to AH it is true if NOT Ronald could lose custody of his son and that would be devastating to this little boy and to Ronald. If LE thought there was anything to this they would have certainly, IMO, have investigated. This would be grounds for a huge LS if it can NOT be proven. I wish this BS of who can get the BS on the internet the fastest would come to a halt for the sake of Haleigh.
:cursing:

[Chica]

I'm beginning to think it may be my opinion also HenLee.
If LE would just let slip Chad G. has been cleared :unsure: I'd go for it 100%.

MOO

Yes, for LE to clear Chad, they must know it was family members or acquaintances as they have stated right along. LE has questioned Cousin Joe twice that I know of so, I am starting to lean towards Tommy. imo Although they could both be involved as neither is behind bars.

[Zeep]

Huh? First off what does that have to do with my post? And second, who said he intenionally let something happen to his daughter?


I'm wondering the same thing.

I think some posters misread your post.

[Chica]

My guess is that as soon as the "exclusive" information hit the internet the telephone at FDCS has not stopped ringing.
Didn't Cobra at one time make the same statement long ago? I hope if TM is reporting this to AH it is true if NOT Ronald could lose custody of his son and that would be devastating to this little boy and to Ronald. If LE thought there was anything to this they would have certainly, IMO, have investigated. This would be grounds for a huge LS if it can NOT be proven. I wish this BS of who can get the BS on the internet the fastest would come to a halt for the sake of Haleigh.
:cursing:

Removing Jr. from Ron has been the goal of many posters on other boards, and I will bet DCF got numerous calls from these posters who feel they know best. If Jr is in fact removed from Ron's care, I would bet Jr would go to foster care. And wouldn't that be a happy ending for this traumatized boy?

[Zeep]

I'm curious why LE hasn't released more information. Are they "laying in wait"? Trying to add a bit of humor because lord knows we could use some. JMO.

I would like to see where the cell phone pings take us, etc.

Bassman (I hope I'm getting the nic right) had a really good explanation of that this morning. (Why LE hasn't released more info).

[Zeep]

Shell Pond is not far from where they were living, it is very deep and Cousin Joe liked to watch alligators there, its down a very long way overgrown dirt road with tree/bush branches close on both sides, easy to scratch a vehicle if you were traveling in the dark of night


If someone tossed Haleigh into a pond with a gator (and gators are all over the place in Florida), then she will probably never be found.

That was difficult to type.

I'm hoping for a live Haleigh.

[HenLee]

Removing Jr. from Ron has been the goal of many posters on other boards, and I will bet DCF got numerous calls from these posters who feel they know best. If Jr is in fact removed from Ron's care, I would bet Jr would go to foster care. And wouldn't that be a happy ending for this traumatized boy?Please.............Tell me how complete strangers going only by what other strangers are posting for their on greedy reason's can be so hateful as to place this child in a stranger's home?? Picture him being pulled out of his father's arm's yelling " please daddy, don't let them take me". This could be the next "BOMB SHELL"...

[HenLee]

Bassman (I hope I'm getting the nic right) had a really good explanation of that this morning. (Why LE hasn't released more info). I just got it!!!!
Can you imagine the publics reaction and DEMANDS every time LE released something.... Yep, just got it!!

[seeker]

I saw that.
3 or 4 Florida DCF employees and the sheriff department e-mail addresses are posted on the board.

All to "Save Butterbean"
How stupid. :rolleyes:

This will result ONLY in giving those posters and their forum a reputation.
....Not a good one. :ohmy:

People need to get a life and let LE do their jobs.
Unreal.

MOO

Saving HaLeigh's brother from a man who has proven himself to be violent doesn't sound "stupid," as you say, RuckyRON, it sounds SMART.

What sounds stupid is defending a self-proclaimed violent man, putting down efforts to protect children, and believing that any words used here could sway feeling, thinking individuals from demanding Justice for HaLeigh and Protection for her little brother.

My OPINION

[Zeep]

Nevermind.



Let me be strung up with a new rope from the highest tree, but I have to say this.

Ron is not the Prince Charming of this world. Let's get real, here. Ron has rough edges, he is loud, obnoxious, he cusses like a sailor, he has to be in control of everything, he is a male pig in many ways.

He will never be nominated for Father Of The Year, either. He had unsavory characters in and out of his house. He had questionable relationships with younger women, moved one in and put her in charge of his children.

However, I do not believe and will not believe for one moment that he harmed his child, or that he had ever harmed either of them. I don't believe he even knows what happened to her.

He married Misty because to me, he is so arrogant he believed he could control and manipulate the truth out of Misty, something LE has not been able to do. He isn't covering for Misty, he wants his daughter and frankly, he does what he wants to do in order to get to her. Period.

This family is not, for Pete's sake, the Cleavers in any form or fashion.
They are full of dysfunction the likes most of us will never encounter.
However, I truly believe Ron did the best he KNEW how to do for Haleigh and Ron Jr. He worked, provided and loved those children. Just because he was unable to provide them with "licensed and approved childcare" or "because his friends were not all security cleared doctors and lawyers from the uppercrust of society" will never prove that he didn't give them the best that he KNEW how to give them.

You can dislike him because he is arrogant.
You can disike him because he is a chauvenist.
You can dislike him because he is loud, obnoxious and humiliating.
You can dislike him because he thinks he knows everything.
You can dislike him because of who he chooses to have relationships with.
You can dislike him because in hindsight he has made poor choices.
You can dislike him because he is controlling and manipulative.

HOWEVER.....

You cannot accuse him of being part of a crime, even more, the abduction of his own daughter, because you do not like him for any of the reasons above.

DISLIKE/DISAGREEMENT does not equal GUILTY.

It's time to call a spade a spade.

Another great post, Bassman!

[seeker]

Nevermind.



Let me be strung up with a new rope from the highest tree, but I have to say this.

Ron is not the Prince Charming of this world. Let's get real, here. Ron has rough edges, he is loud, obnoxious, he cusses like a sailor, he has to be in control of everything, he is a male pig in many ways.

He will never be nominated for Father Of The Year, either. He had unsavory characters in and out of his house. He had questionable relationships with younger women, moved one in and put her in charge of his children.

However, I do not believe and will not believe for one moment that he harmed his child, or that he had ever harmed either of them. I don't believe he even knows what happened to her.

He married Misty because to me, he is so arrogant he believed he could control and manipulate the truth out of Misty, something LE has not been able to do. He isn't covering for Misty, he wants his daughter and frankly, he does what he wants to do in order to get to her. Period.

This family is not, for Pete's sake, the Cleavers in any form or fashion.
They are full of dysfunction the likes most of us will never encounter.
However, I truly believe Ron did the best he KNEW how to do for Haleigh and Ron Jr. He worked, provided and loved those children. Just because he was unable to provide them with "licensed and approved childcare" or "because his friends were not all security cleared doctors and lawyers from the uppercrust of society" will never prove that he didn't give them the best that he KNEW how to give them.

You can dislike him because he is arrogant.
You can disike him because he is a chauvenist.
You can dislike him because he is loud, obnoxious and humiliating.
You can dislike him because he thinks he knows everything.
You can dislike him because of who he chooses to have relationships with.
You can dislike him because in hindsight he has made poor choices.
You can dislike him because he is controlling and manipulative.

HOWEVER.....

You cannot accuse him of being part of a crime, even more, the abduction of his own daughter, because you do not like him for any of the reasons above.

DISLIKE/DISAGREEMENT does not equal GUILTY.

It's time to call a spade a spade.

No, none of these reasons, including whether or not one likes Ronald L. Cummings or not, is why some people believe he is involved the The Crime Against His Daughter.

It is mountains of information we have about him, the words from his own lips (many of them LIES), his sharing of his character with the world that leads me to believe that he knows exactly what happened to his daughter. Not only that, his actions and words, beginning with the 2/10/09 911 call lead me to believe that he is directly involved, with at least two women and one minor female trying desperately, and unconvincingly, to cover up the crime.

These are my personal OPINIONS.

[HenLee]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/


"With his 3 year old son, Junior, watching, Miller tells me Cummings “made a statement that if he found out Misty had some involvement, he’d blow her teeth through the back of her head."
My God, the writer can NOT even get this child's age right.

[Chica]

Seriously. That's the title of the thread.

I think it would be safe to say we all want "Butterbean" to remain safe, but this is no way to go about insuring such a thing happening.

Can you imagine the 'rumors', 'feelings', 'gossip' and carp these agencies are going to be flooded with in their e-mails? :wink:

MOO.

I have been reading these posts on another board and I am amazed that posters would insert themselves into this case because they despise Ron and want him behind bars. All of the calls to his place of employment was bad enough, but to actively work towards the removal of his son is unconscionable. And I believe for naught. I am stunned by their attitude of self importance and rightness.

[Chica]

And on another note, where the heck is Lisa? It is 3pm on the East coast and no sight of her.

[Chica]

Bassman (I hope I'm getting the nic right) had a really good explanation of that this morning. (Why LE hasn't released more info).

Zeep, I just sent you a pm.

[Justice4all]

And on another note, where the heck is Lisa? It is 3pm on the East coast and no sight of her.

I hope Tim didn't pay for her to go on vacay :scared:

[Mo.Gramma]

Yes, for LE to clear Chad, they must know it was family members or acquaintances as they have stated right along. LE has questioned Cousin Joe twice that I know of so, I am starting to lean towards Tommy. imo Although they could both be involved as neither is behind bars.
I have leaned toward Tommy ever since he placed himself at the home at 10 pm....but Cousin Joe could also be involved...I wonder how long LE questioned Joe....I hope they gave him a LDT......I still think Misty must have been gone....if we can believe LE's statements that the evidence at the home does not match up with Misty's story.......imho

[HenLee]

Seriously. That's the title of the thread.

I think it would be safe to say we all want "Butterbean" to remain safe, but this is no way to go about insuring such a thing happening.

Can you imagine the 'rumors', 'feelings', 'gossip' and carp these agencies are going to be flooded with in their e-mails? :wink:

MOOI see where these do gooder's are sending chain letters asking people to call and email. They can NOT think past their noses. Karma is going to come back and bite them in the azz!!!!
This should be between LE, FDCS and family. When did God give us the right to play God in a child's life who is a stranger to us? OH BOY, taking a break!!!

[Mo.Gramma]

Please.............Tell me how complete strangers going only by what other strangers are posting for their on greedy reason's can be so hateful as to place this child in a stranger's home?? Picture him being pulled out of his father's arm's yelling " please daddy, don't let them take me". This could be the next "BOMB SHELL"...I agree! imho

[Zeep]

Zeep, I just sent you a pm.

Got it and replied. Thanks.

[CanCan]

You didn't make that as a statement, Toby, it had a question mark behind it. You were questioning the existence of the purple car.

If Acey wants to be hall monitor, then let Acey look up the link to where the "elusive" purple car went.

Could someone give me a hall pass to go to the restroom, please?

:biggrin: Yes, BM, I'm a teacher - here's your Lav Pass......be sure to wash your hands.

? Was the purple car Ron's car? His only car?? TIA

[HeadsOrTails]

Saving HaLeigh's brother from a man who has proven himself to be violent doesn't sound "stupid," as you say, RuckyRON, it sounds SMART.

What sounds stupid is defending a self-proclaimed violent man, putting down efforts to protect children, and believing that any words used here could sway feeling, thinking individuals from demanding Justice for HaLeigh and Protection for her little brother.

My OPINION

If your fear is so great for Jr, why aren't you mad at Crystal for not filing a custody motion, an emergency one at that? Doesn't she know Ron better than we do?

[Elle]

I see where these do gooder's are sending chain letters asking people to call and email. They can NOT think past their noses. Karma is going to come back and bite them in the azz!!!!
This should be between LE, FDCS and family. When did God give us the right to play God in a child's life who is a stranger to us? OH BOY, taking a break!!!

And it could happen to any one of us. IMO

[Elle]

.

I have been reading these posts on another board and I am amazed that posters would insert themselves into this case because they despise Ron and want him behind bars. All of the calls to his place of employment was bad enough, but to actively work towards the removal of his son is unconscionable. And I believe for naught. I am stunned by their attitude of self importance and rightness.

Chica, I second your post.

[Chica]

If someone tossed Haleigh into a pond with a gator (and gators are all over the place in Florida), then she will probably never be found.

That was difficult to type.

I'm hoping for a live Haleigh.

I think we all fear that.

[VenusFlyTrap]

I saw that.
3 or 4 Florida DCF employees and the sheriff department e-mail addresses are posted on the board.

All to "Save Butterbean"
How stupid. :rolleyes:

This will result ONLY in giving those posters and their forum a reputation.
....Not a good one. :ohmy:

People need to get a life and let LE do their jobs.
Unreal.

MOO

I totally agree, who do these people think they are. They see an article posted on line that may be completely false and they take it upon themselves to call DCF... like there were there and witnessed what was going on. Unbelievable.. well maybe not.

[titanfan217]

That's what I remember the original article stating. Tim had informed LE of the situation.

Then this one states that DCF notified LE.

I am wondering if DCF was just notifying LE that they were going to start an investigation on this?

Who in the devil knows?


It could be both... in the government, one doesn't know what the other one is doing.

[CanCan]

Do you think Ron murdered and disposed of HaLeigh while he was at work? Not only his attorney "says yes", so does LE. Heck Crystal doesn't even think Ron had anything to do with it.

:confused: Ronald's attorney says, yes, Ronald murdered and disposed of Haleigh while he was at work????? And LE says that Ronald murdered and disposed of Haleigh while he was at work???? Are you sure this is what you mean to say???????

[Chica]

And it could happen to any one of us. IMO

I've thought of that. Imagine being mistakenly accused of a crime and having a bunch of people undermine your every move and your life? I can understand believing with a passion someone is guilty, but to think you are so important, that you must interfere in a case of a missing child boggles my mind. I would never take a chance directing an investigation when a life is as stake. I could never live with myself if something should happen.

[seeker]

Oh, well, his actions and words are enough for me! Not.

When those mountains of information (what the devil does that even mean?) equal proof/evidence of guilt, instead of your distaste of his words, actions and dating habits, please post them.

I will be most receptive to them.
I don't recognize your name so maybe you are new to HaLeigh's plight. Have you gone to the links section just here on this board? Have you "googled" all the people who surrounded HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings?

"Mountains of information" in this case means: There is so much information available to searching, inquiring minds, that it would take days to go through it all, weeks to go very carefully through it all again, and then time to work at putting the different pieces together in different configurations until one comes up with their own theory of What Happened To Haleigh.

[Elle]

THAT is what you choose to take away from the article?

It has been reported thatTim Miller has reported this to Law Enforcement. What does it matter if a writer got the age of HaLeigh's little brother wrong? Isn't the important thing to take away from this disturbing story the fact that a well-respected man, invited into these people's home and into the father's bedroom, witnessed Ronald L. Cummings explaining and acting out his plans for a murder/suicide? And...all in front of his already traumatized little boy?

That is my OPINION.

Why are you so willing to believe this version? Do you not question the different accounts?

[seeker]

If your fear is so great for Jr, why aren't you mad at Crystal for not filing a custody motion, an emergency one at that? Doesn't she know Ron better than we do?

Since you must try and deflect with Crystal, and since you seem to think I need to be mad at someone, this is what I THINK, as I do not know Crystal:

What Crystal chooses to do will be in the best interest of her son and will be done in a way that won't allow the past mistakes of DCF and the courts to happen again, to the best of her ability and with whatever is in her power to accomplish.

This is what I Hope and this is what I Think. These are my OPINIONS.

[?noanswer]

According to another source, RC has filed for divorce from MC in St. Johns Co. RC paid 408. on 10/13/09. MOTION FOR ORDER WAIVING 20 DAY PERIOD and WIFE'S WAIVER OF SPPERANCE (sp).

Don't know if I can link source.


JMO

[HenLee]

Don't know if it's feasible but I hope all agencies keep a list of "these contacts" on this... and take them all to court for interfering.

MOOWouldn't that be sweet!!!! I call it interference in a child custody, interference in a missing child investigation and I am sure LE could think of a couple of other charges just for chit and giggles. Laws are going to have to be made to keep things like this in high profile cases illegal. Just think of all the time that employees are away from their work on legitimate cases. Time that may be used to protect another child. These people need to get a life...MOO

[Zeep]

How does that work, anyway?

DCF: Good Morning, Children and Family Services
Caller: Yes! Thank God you answered, this is WhipperLady.
DCF: Excuse me, who are you?
Caller: Whipperlady, you know from the crime forums!!!
DCF: Uh...ok
Caller: You have to remove Ron Jr from the Cummings home.
DCF: Would you like to report an incident, ma'am?
Caller: YES!! It was on a blog last night, Ron has a gun and he pulled it out in front of his son!!
DCF: Did you witness this, ma'am?
Caller: NO, Tim Miller did, he told the guy with the blog!!
DCF: Is Tim there?
Caller: No, he is with Texas Equusearch, I can get their # online if you like.
DCF: Do you know this family?
Caller: Of course, I do, I read EVERYTHING, I have since 2/10/09~
DCF: Do you personally know this family, ma'am?
Caller: Well, not personally, I have never met them.
DCF: Do you know their address?
Caller: Let me find the link that has that info...brb
DCF: <click>


*busting a gut laughing* :laugh:

[seeker]

Don't know if it's feasible but I hope all agencies keep a list of "these contacts" on this... and take them all to court for interfering.

MOO

Are you trying to frighten people and make them feel as if their utilizing the legal and moral option of reporting suspected abuse that they will somehow invite legal repercussions?

The ones who get into trouble with the law are those mandated reporters in a variety of professions and workplaces that DO NOT Report.

For the poster that RucyRON was responding to above: To put down caring individuals who stick their necks out for the protection of the vulnerable and to say that they are "do-gooders," you got that right!

People who DO GOOD.

[HeadsOrTails]

I think the divorce was just filed in St John's county for anyone wanting to check.

[HeadsOrTails]

A gentle reminder not to engage.. :smile:

Thank you. :wub:

[HenLee]

How does that work, anyway?

DCF: Good Morning, Children and Family Services
Caller: Yes! Thank God you answered, this is WhipperLady.
DCF: Excuse me, who are you?
Caller: Whipperlady, you know from the crime forums!!!
DCF: Uh...ok
Caller: You have to remove Ron Jr from the Cummings home.
DCF: Would you like to report an incident, ma'am?
Caller: YES!! It was on a blog last night, Ron has a gun and he pulled it out in front of his son!!
DCF: Did you witness this, ma'am?
Caller: NO, Tim Miller did, he told the guy with the blog!!
DCF: Is Tim there?
Caller: No, he is with Texas Equusearch, I can get their # online if you like.
DCF: Do you know this family?
Caller: Of course, I do, I read EVERYTHING, I have since 2/10/09~
DCF: Do you personally know this family, ma'am?
Caller: Well, not personally, I have never met them.
DCF: Do you know their address?
Caller: Let me find the link that has that info...brb
DCF: <click>
THANK YOU so much, I really needed a good laugh.:laugh: TY, TY...

[VenusFlyTrap]

Are you trying to frighten people and make them feel as if their utilizing the legal and moral option of reporting suspected abuse that they will somehow invite legal repercussions?

The ones who get into trouble with the law are those mandated reporters in a variety of professions and workplaces that DO NOT Report.

For the poster that RucyRON was responding to above: To put down caring individuals who stick their necks out for the protection of the vulnerable and to say that they are "do-gooders," you got that right!

People who DO GOOD.


They are not do-gooders or caring, they are meddlers with a mob mentality who are inserting themselves where they do not belong. They are not a witness to any of what has gone on. Did any of them hear the words from RC's mouth, did any of them see the gun? They are taking words from a so-call journalist that may either be false or embellished. That is not proof of some wrong doing...

[FrankieBones1]

Okay, let me ask this. Ron "appears" to be a loving father. Why would he intentionally let something happen to his daughter? :confused:

Who said that Ronald Cummings intentionally let something happen to his daughter?:ohmy:

[seeker]

Information is not evidence, Seeker.

Information isn't much if you are only privvy to portions of it.
(You have access to media reports, blogs, forums. LE has access to the ACTUAL people involved, completed cell records and forensics.)

Theories from a crime forum are not evidence, either.

Your post is emotional.......Ron's actions, Ron's words, Ron's taste in women.

Not logical. No evidence supporting Ron had motive, means or opportunity to commit this abduction.

You not recognizing my name does not mean I have no knowledge of this case, nor does it mean I have not read the information that is available.

BassMan,

I ASKED if you were new to the case, I didn't state that you are, as I don't know you.

I used the word "INFORMATION" for a reason.

I DID NOT use the word "EVIDENCE" for a reason.

Lastly, what may be logical to you may not be at all logical to the next person. It can be a pretty subjective concept.

[FrankieBones1]

Are you trying to frighten people and make them feel as if their utilizing the legal and moral option of reporting suspected abuse that they will somehow invite legal repercussions?

The ones who get into trouble with the law are those mandated reporters in a variety of professions and workplaces that DO NOT Report.

For the poster that RucyRON was responding to above: To put down caring individuals who stick their necks out for the protection of the vulnerable and to say that they are "do-gooders," you got that right!

People who DO GOOD.Like millions of others, I will have to respectfully disagree with your entire post. Those people are meddling. Plain and simple.
mo

[titanfan217]

Are you trying to frighten people and make them feel as if their utilizing the legal and moral option of reporting suspected abuse that they will somehow invite legal repercussions?

The ones who get into trouble with the law are those mandated reporters in a variety of professions and workplaces that DO NOT Report.

For the poster that RucyRON was responding to above: To put down caring individuals who stick their necks out for the protection of the vulnerable and to say that they are "do-gooders," you got that right!

People who DO GOOD.


Absolutely. If DCF didn't want to hear what's going on, they wouldn't allow anonymous reports, at least they do in Illinois.

[Zeep]

BassMan,

I ASKED if you were new to the case, I didn't state that you are, as I don't know you.

I used the word "INFORMATION" for a reason.

I DID NOY use the word "EVIDENCE" for a reason.

Lastly, what may be logical to you may not be at all logical to the next person. It can be a pretty subjective concept.

I'm not Bassman, but I want to respond.

Information and Evidence are entire opposites. Information is not always accurate (and many times isn't) and unless can be used as "Evidence" is often useless. Evidence is fact.

If LE took on cases based on information and not evidence, there would be a lot more innocent people in jail.

[Chica]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=
Lisa in PC

Sloooowly moving wheels of justice........

[VenusFlyTrap]

Absolutely. If DCF didn't want to hear what's going on, they wouldn't allow anonymous reports, at least they do in Illinois.


That's for people that actually witness an abuse.. it's not meant for meddling message board posters that are now where near the vicinity and are getting their information, that may not be true, from on line articles written by bloggers.... they are reporting something they were not a witness to.. it's sad really

[?noanswer]

I bet they don't take a check for the bond! :scared:

Why not? If she took 10 and only wrote one, she still has enough left to write one for her bond!! JMO

[Chica]

I don't recognize your name so maybe you are new to HaLeigh's plight. Have you gone to the links section just here on this board? Have you "googled" all the people who surrounded HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings?

"Mountains of information" in this case means: There is so much information available to searching, inquiring minds, that it would take days to go through it all, weeks to go very carefully through it all again, and then time to work at putting the different pieces together in different configurations until one comes up with their own theory of What Happened To Haleigh.


You are so predictable. When someone question your "mountains of information" you attack them as being ignorant of the case. The fact is that your "mountains of information" is a mountain of untruths and rumors which you maintain prove to you of Ron's guilt. If they weren't rumors, you would post them, but fail to do so, even though requested to do so many times.

[?noanswer]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601

Have added her picture. I'm not trying to be mean, but I think maybe she should stay behind bars and get some medical attention, rest and food. She looks like she could use all of it. JMO

[Chica]

Why not? If she took 10 and only wrote one, she still has enough left to write one for her bond!! JMO

Poor, Mr. Martin.:scared:

[?noanswer]

Poor, Mr. Martin.:scared:

You are so correct. It is so sad that people take advantage of older people or anyone for that matter. JMO

[Justice4all]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=
Lisa in PC

wow and she does look scary
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601

[HenLee]

"

831.01- FORGERY OF ALTER PUBLIC RECORD CERTIFICATE ETC F T $5,004.00
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...ID=756988&IMG=
I am interested in what public record did she ALTER or FORGE...
Please everyone ignore any poster whose intentions are to get this board closed down. Should be good information coming out tonight. IGGY, can be your best friend.

[Acey]

I've thought of that. Imagine being mistakenly accused of a crime and having a bunch of people undermine your every move and your life? I can understand believing with a passion someone is guilty, but to think you are so important, that you must interfere in a case of a missing child boggles my mind. I would never take a chance directing an investigation when a life is as stake. I could never live with myself if something should happen.

ITA - and it could happen to anyone of us. I think of parents falsely accused like Mark Lunsford, and Carl Probyn who lived through 18 years of accusations.

Praying for HaLeigh.

[?noanswer]

"

831.01- FORGERY OF ALTER PUBLIC RECORD CERTIFICATE ETC F T $5,004.00
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...ID=756988&IMG=
I am interested in what public record did she ALTER or FORGE...
Please everyone ignore any poster whose intentions are to get this board closed down. Should be good information coming out tonight. IGGY, can be your best friend.

I don't understand a lot of the wording they use for charges. I understand they have a list of things they choose from. Good thing they know which one to use! JMO

[Texas48]

Nevermind.



Let me be strung up with a new rope from the highest tree, but I have to say this.

Ron is not the Prince Charming of this world. Let's get real, here. Ron has rough edges, he is loud, obnoxious, he cusses like a sailor, he has to be in control of everything, he is a male pig in many ways.

He will never be nominated for Father Of The Year, either. He had unsavory characters in and out of his house. He had questionable relationships with younger women, moved one in and put her in charge of his children.

However, I do not believe and will not believe for one moment that he harmed his child, or that he had ever harmed either of them. I don't believe he even knows what happened to her.

He married Misty because to me, he is so arrogant he believed he could control and manipulate the truth out of Misty, something LE has not been able to do. He isn't covering for Misty, he wants his daughter and frankly, he does what he wants to do in order to get to her. Period.

This family is not, for Pete's sake, the Cleavers in any form or fashion.
They are full of dysfunction the likes most of us will never encounter.
However, I truly believe Ron did the best he KNEW how to do for Haleigh and Ron Jr. He worked, provided and loved those children. Just because he was unable to provide them with "licensed and approved childcare" or "because his friends were not all security cleared doctors and lawyers from the uppercrust of society" will never prove that he didn't give them the best that he KNEW how to give them.

You can dislike him because he is arrogant.
You can disike him because he is a chauvenist.
You can dislike him because he is loud, obnoxious and humiliating.
You can dislike him because he thinks he knows everything.
You can dislike him because of who he chooses to have relationships with.
You can dislike him because in hindsight he has made poor choices.
You can dislike him because he is controlling and manipulative.

HOWEVER.....

You cannot accuse him of being part of a crime, even more, the abduction of his own daughter, because you do not like him for any of the reasons above.

DISLIKE/DISAGREEMENT does not equal GUILTY.

It's time to call a spade a spade.
Are you sure it was decaf..???

[?noanswer]

She is only 40?

According to her birthdate, but looking at her picture, it is hard to believe she is that young. JMO

[cat3]

How does that work, anyway?

DCF: Good Morning, Children and Family Services
Caller: Yes! Thank God you answered, this is WhipperLady.
DCF: Excuse me, who are you?
Caller: Whipperlady, you know from the crime forums!!!
DCF: Uh...ok
Caller: You have to remove Ron Jr from the Cummings home.
DCF: Would you like to report an incident, ma'am?
Caller: YES!! It was on a blog last night, Ron has a gun and he pulled it out in front of his son!!
DCF: Did you witness this, ma'am?
Caller: NO, Tim Miller did, he told the guy with the blog!!
DCF: Is Tim there?
Caller: No, he is with Texas Equusearch, I can get their # online if you like.
DCF: Do you know this family?
Caller: Of course, I do, I read EVERYTHING, I have since 2/10/09~
DCF: Do you personally know this family, ma'am?
Caller: Well, not personally, I have never met them.
DCF: Do you know their address?
Caller: Let me find the link that has that info...brb
DCF: <click>

Perfect.........great posts today,BassMan.

IMO

[Justice4all]

THAT is what you choose to take away from the article?

It has been reported thatTim Miller has reported this to Law Enforcement. What does it matter if a writer got the age of HaLeigh's little brother wrong? Isn't the important thing to take away from this disturbing story the fact that a well-respected man, invited into these people's home and into the father's bedroom, witnessed Ronald L. Cummings explaining and acting out his plans for a murder/suicide? And...all in front of his already traumatized little boy?

That is my OPINION.

but today that there was a "correction" to the story....LE just found out about this happening when DCF called them. or at least that's why TJH's saying toda.

[seeker]

You are so predictable. When someone question your "mountains of information" you attack them as being ignorant of the case. The fact is that your "mountains of information" is a mountain of untruths and rumors which you maintain prove to you of Ron's guilt. If they weren't rumors, you would post them, but fail to do so, even though requested to do so many times.
Chica,

What have you requested of me to post? Is it something you can't find or is it something that doesn't exist, such as a link to an opinion? If it's something tangible and I know where to find it, I'll provide you a link.

Though I don't need to defend myself to you, I'm choosing to say this one more time, as I said to BassMan him/herself:

I did not attack BassMan in any way; I asked if he/she was new to the case as I didn't recognize his his/her name?

Did you ask me something in the past that I failed to answer you, because I don't remember?

[penny]

Morning, everyone!


I will tell you what I believe:

I believe LE knows a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT deal and frankly, I don't think they give a big wahoo what we do or do not know.

I believe they aren't releasing some things and are releasing others for a reason.

Here is why I believe as I do:

DUMPSTER:

IMO, the dogs found something in the dumpster. Ok, one dog hits, maybe....two dogs hit, possibly...three dogs hit, something was there.
It is possible that LE isn't sure how it relates to the case, or doesn't want to spook the person they believe responsible without being able to charge them.

NAY NAY:

IMO, Nay2's letter was sent to "shake the bushes" as it were. I also think Nay may have told investigators much more than anyone is fessing up to in this. I have no doubt, at all, that Nay2 would cover her butt in a heartbeat and sell the rest out. It is also my opinion that Nay's letter was coded to let some of the peripheal characters in the drug scene know just what LE had and as a bit of a "warning". It is my firm belief that the previous weekend in Misty's life will prove to reveal more about the night Haleigh went missing.

TOMMY'S TALE:

I also believe that Tommy may have told LE a great deal more than they ever released to the public. However, I do believe that they released what they did for shock value and to shake Misty. It is my belief that LE is pressing her from all sides...even ones we are not privvy to.

GETAWAY:

It is also my believe that Tim Miller is in constant contact with LE. IMO they are aware of every move that Misty made that weekend, every word she uttered and I honestly think Tim believes that Ron will kill Misty if he discovers she had anything to do with that night. Unfortunately, whatever 'undercover" mission was going on there, it was blown to smithereens with the "flicking". It is possible DB could have elicited new info from Misty if given time.

SUMMARY:

You have a plethora of characters in this, that Hollywood could not even cast. Drug dealers, sex offenders, pimps, friends hooking up with crazy mexicans for cash, baby mama's and daddy's that would make any family tree look as twisted as a dogwood, family disputes that drag each other in and out of court, twisted anger issues by many, if not all, involved, and last, but by no means least, a missing 6 year old child.

I see armchair detectives debating all day everyday on how LE should handle this case, how LE isn't doing this or is doing that, etc. etc. etc.
I have to believe that LE knows EXACTLY what they are doing. After all, THEY are the LE in this town and they are the ones FAMILIAR with dealing with these people on a daily basis. They have the experience here, they know the course of action to take, and I firmly believe they are taking it.

Is it quick enough for us?
Maybe not, but we aren't the ones that matter.
Should they pressure Misty more?
Maybe, but does anyone want another "Trenton Duckett" replay where answers are NEVER found?
Should they do this? Should they do that?
Maybe, they should do their jobs as they are trained to do and that is not keeping all of us informed as to what they do and do not have.

I have to give them credit for running an obstacle course of an investigation.

Ducking Nancy Grace and other media's idiocy, bloggers who want to be real journalists and send out false info right and left, bounty hunters with snake names who want to show they are Billy Bob Badbutt, drug users/dealers that couldn't or wouldn't tell the truth if their pitiful lives depended upon it, stories that just don't add up from almost everyone, a vermin filled den of sex offenders, and in the end they have to keep their eye on the prize, the location of an innocent and beautiful child.

I would not want their job, but I believe they do. I believe they are doing it they way they feel it needs to be done to solve this case.
I believe they will.

To important to snip imo.

In all the months I have been reading on the Haleigh Cummings case, this is by far the best thing I have read to date.

Bassman, if you do not write books - you should, imo.

[?noanswer]

I agree.

I wonder if the questioning has already begun?

I wonder if they questioned her before they posted the information. The way bail is posted down there, she may not be there very long. JMO

[HenLee]

That's for people that actually witness an abuse.. it's not meant for meddling message board posters that are now where near the vicinity and are getting their information, that may not be true, from on line articles written by bloggers.... they are reporting something they were not a witness to.. it's sad reallyYou are so right Venus.

[CanCan]

Are you trying to frighten people and make them feel as if their utilizing the legal and moral option of reporting suspected abuse that they will somehow invite legal repercussions?

The ones who get into trouble with the law are those mandated reporters in a variety of professions and workplaces that DO NOT Report.

For the poster that RucyRON was responding to above: To put down caring individuals who stick their necks out for the protection of the vulnerable and to say that they are "do-gooders," you got that right!

People who DO GOOD.

I am a Mandated Reporter, and have reported plenty - most of it from my "gut," not from the all-hallowed logic. And I've been accurate 100% of the time. One kid I warned the administration about was a 7th grader - I got poo-poo'd at the time because I was was mostly alerting them based on years and years of experience + instinct. That kid is now in prison - offended in 10th grade right on school campus.

I say good job to those posters who have called this matter to the attention of DCF. Better safe than sorry.

[BorderCollieMom]

Real quick ....

Can someone tell me who Sarah Sheffield is ? tia

[cat3]

Real quick ....

Can someone tell me who Sarah Sheffield is ? tia

Crystal's sister.

[TobyWong]

That's for people that actually witness an abuse.. it's not meant for meddling message board posters that are now where near the vicinity and are getting their information, that may not be true, from on line articles written by bloggers.... they are reporting something they were not a witness to.. it's sad really

Thank You! I'm actually embarrased for anyone who thinks they need to waste the time of overloaded DCF workers over something they read. Not seen or heard first hand but read. On a sensationalistic bloggers website. It would be the same as reading it in the national enquirer, imo.

[VenusFlyTrap]

I am a Mandated Reporter, and have reported plenty - most of it from my "gut," not from the all-hallowed logic. And I've been accurate 100% of the time. One kid I warned the administration about was a 7th grader - I got poo-poo'd at the time because I was was mostly alerting them based on years and years of experience + instinct. That kid is now in prison - offended in 10th grade right on school campus.

I say good job to those posters who have called this matter to the attention of DCF. Better safe than sorry.


The difference is you actually 'saw' what was going on.. you didn't report something because you read it on line somewhere that so and so said so and so might have said that this could have happened, but when so and so said it.. it was a little different than the time so and so said it... all hearsay that may have been false.. How can one report something they have no real knowledge about? Meddlers just wanting to cause problems for someone because they don't like a person.. they don't care whether it's true or not.. just so long as they can cause the person problems.... it's really a shame.

[BorderCollieMom]

Crystal's sister.


Thanks !!!

[cat3]

Thanks !!!

YW.Someone asked about Sarah yesterday as well.Anyone know if something is going on with Sarah?

IMO

[PerneciaJane]

No, but if you need an explanation to what these other posters are doing wrong, you need more help than I can give you.

:seeya:


Cam someone PM me what forum is actually doing this? Wow they have a lot of nerve.

[?noanswer]

The difference is you actually 'saw' what was going on.. you didn't report something because you read it on line somewhere that so and so said so and so might have said that this could have happened, but when so and so said it.. it was a little different than the time so and so said it... all hearsay that may have been false.. How can one report something they have no real knowledge about? Meddlers just wanting to cause problems for someone because they don't like a person.. they don't care whether it's true or not.. just so long as they can cause the person problems.... it's really a shame.

The person who the blogger claims to have witnessed the incident should have reported it to LE immediately. (Maybe he did, I don't know) JMO

[Dunlurken]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=
Lisa in PC

Not sure what to say. Thanks for the link though. I liked it better when she was in TN. JMO.

[PerneciaJane]

Grrr....that bond isn't going to be hard to meet. I was hoping they'd have it higher and keep her in for a while.


As for other forums and bizarre telephone and email campaigns...UGH! What a mess. I was recently banned, along with several other posters, from another forum because I deigned to utter the name "Crystal" without following it immediately with "honest to a fault, railroaded, wonderful mother SAVE BUTTERBEAN!" (ok, not really...but I do find it odd that several posters were disciplined at the same time and only the most fervent Crystal fans have not been banned. Some even got privileges back within minutes. ICK.

/rant off


That happened to me also must have been the same forum.

[Chica]

Wouldn't that be sweet!!!! I call it interference in a child custody, interference in a missing child investigation and I am sure LE could think of a couple of other charges just for chit and giggles. Laws are going to have to be made to keep things like this in high profile cases illegal. Just think of all the time that employees are away from their work on legitimate cases. Time that may be used to protect another child. These people need to get a life...MOO

I agree. These people are worse than the phony tipsters. I wonder just how far will some go for their 5 minutes of fame even if it is only in their own self important minds?