Tues Oct 13 HaLeigh pt 2

[Elvish2]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[Elvish2]

Has Lisa been returned to Florida today? Anyone know where Tommy is?

[Elle]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Thank you for the new thread and for the candle link. I would also like to add
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o3DbkF8Gxk '
'When I look to the sky'

Texas, could you post the Poem for Haleigh link again?

[?noanswer]

Has Lisa been returned to Florida today? Anyone know where Tommy is?

If she is, the PCSO site has not been updated to reflect it. Wonder if the family will be there to bail her out as soon as she gets to town. As for Tommy, I don't know. JMO

[grammie/va]

I hope that after the last thread disaster that the real reason for this thread will be foremost in everyones mind.

♥WhereIsHaLeigh♥BringHaLeighHomeNow♥

[baywench]

I hope that after the last thread disaster that the real reason for this thread will be foremost in everyones mind.

♥WhereIsHaLeigh♥BringHaLeighHomeNow♥


I had just finished reading and it was closed. But that's OK. I couldn't believe how degrading it was. Anyone that tries to help, or doesn't agree with with one side or the other is thrown under the bus. This is about Haleigh. Anyone willing to help find out what happened to her is a blessing. Misty just needs to keep talking, that will bring about a conclusion imo

[grammie/va]

I had just finished reading and it was closed. But that's OK. I couldn't believe how degrading it was. Anyone that tries to help, or doesn't agree with with one side or the other is thrown under the bus. This is about Haleigh. Anyone willing to help find out what happened to her is a blessing. Misty just needs to keep talking, that will bring about a conclusion imo

I am just so scared we will never find HaLeigh. There is just too much drama and too many looking for their 5 minutes of fame. Any thing reported cannot be trusted, the journalists add to and stretch the truth, bloggers exaggerate to no end and so many posters are trying to be judge and jury when in fact very few if any of the posters know HaLeigh's family members. I than God none of them are my family members, but they are HaLeigh's and at this point none of them are perfect and all need a good dose of the truth and need to focus on Finding HaLeigh


♥WhereIsHaLeigh♥BringHaLeighHomeNow♥

[VC2]

I think that it is ok to discuss the facts that are put out on various shows or places like AH but we need to remember to

1. Take the skeletal facts and wait to see if there is corroboration for some of the elements

2. Discuss the facts that are about the case instead of whom we like/dislike based on each tidbit that has more to do with personality traits than anything else

3. When we do go off track, as we will, remind each other to get back on politely. Its easy to get caught up when passionate but so long as we get back on quickly then the thread won't derail. Just remember that a reminder from anyone isn't an attack, only to help us not get shut down. It would be really helpful if people on the same "side" reminded each other too because its less likely to be taken the wrong way

imo

[baywench]

I am just so scared we will never find HaLeigh. There is just too much drama and too many looking for their 5 minutes of fame. Any thing reported cannot be trusted, the journalists add to and stretch the truth, bloggers exaggerate to no end and so many posters are trying to be judge and jury when in fact very few if any of the posters know HaLeigh's family members. I than God none of them are my family members, but they are HaLeigh's and at this point none of them are perfect and all need a good dose of the truth and need to focus on Finding HaLeigh


♥WhereIsHaLeigh♥BringHaLeighHomeNow♥

I am a great believer in posters not interjecting themselves in anyway. Her family members are flawed, yes, but we are so far beyond that. I need to go back and read three days worth to find out how it is that posters seem to know that Ron texted Misty to warn etc. In the meantime, I trust in LE. Tim Miller has a great track record. He has proven himself worthy of having the benefit of the doubt imo

[FrankieBones1]

What's this about Ronald texting Misty about the plant?

[FrankieBones1]

I am a great believer in posters not interjecting themselves in anyway. Her family members are flawed, yes, but we are so far beyond that. I need to go back and read three days worth to find out how it is that posters seem to know that Ron texted Misty to warn etc. In the meantime, I trust in LE. Tim Miller has a great track record. He has proven himself worthy of having the benefit of the doubt imo
No one has called Tim Miller a bad man.

[FrankieBones1]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC
Thanks for the new slate, Elvish and thanks to Coldwater for letting us discuss this case again.
:rose:

[Justice4all]

Has Lisa been returned to Florida today? Anyone know where Tommy is?

Tommy can't leave FL can he?
and Lisa still hasn't been booked http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

[Survivor]

Tommy can't leave FL can he?
and Lisa still hasn't been booked http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

I'm not sure what conditions Tommy might have. It's been a couple of weeks (I think), since he made bail and I haven't seen anything more about him. Seems odd seeing as how he has put himself at the MH that night. I would have thought that the media would try and get more of his statement re that night.:confused: Did he call Ron back?? Love to know that.

[4Kids]

What's this about Ronald texting Misty about the plant?

Hey Frankie...this is what I want to know. I really have not heard this anywhere mainstream. Only here? Anyone care to link or PM (if the source is one of those questionable ones?). Thanks. IMO

[baywench]

No one has called Tim Miller a bad man.

It is all interpertation I suppose. It seemed to me that he was being depicted in a bad light without much proof. jmo

[grammie/va]

I am a great believer in posters not interjecting themselves in anyway. Her family members are flawed, yes, but we are so far beyond that. I need to go back and read three days worth to find out how it is that posters seem to know that Ron texted Misty to warn etc. In the meantime, I trust in LE. Tim Miller has a great track record. He has proven himself worthy of having the benefit of the doubt imo

I think that was also included in the AH article today. And I leave that each person to interpet if they believe it all or not.

[baywench]

I think that was also included in the AH article today. And I leave that each person to interpet if they believe it all or not.

Earlier in the case AH was pretty much considered an unreliable source, how come all of a sudden he is being quoted? LOL I realized after reading that sentence I am giving you the third degree. Question to the masses....when did AH become legitamate? jmo

[Justice4all]

Earlier in the case AH was pretty much considered an unreliable source, how come all of a sudden he is being quoted? LOL I realized after reading that sentence I am giving you the third degree. Question to the masses....when did AH become legitamate? jmo

AH has a great talent for writing a post full of falsehoods and then in the comment section he apologizes for a few of the falsehoods. Not great journalism if you ask me.

moo

[?noanswer]

Earlier in the case AH was pretty much considered an unreliable source, how come all of a sudden he is being quoted? LOL I realized after reading that sentence I am giving you the third degree. Question to the masses....when did AH become legitamate? jmo

I think posters are so wanting this mystery to be solved, they look for every little bit of information, hoping that it will be the one piece that will complete the puzzle. Until LE confirms the information that is being released by bloggers, posters, etc., I will take it all with a grain of salt. Too many people have inserted themselves into this case for personal gain.

JMO

[Justice4all]

What's this about Ronald texting Misty about the plant?

Not sure where that come from. Was that also in AH's article?

[baywench]

AH has a great talent for writing a post full of falsehoods and then in the comment section he apologizes for a few of the falsehoods. Not great journalism if you ask me.

moo

That's what I remembered too. How is all of this inside information coming out all of a sudden? None of it seems to have anything to do with how to find Haleigh. I just feel like I am lifting up a rock and looking under it....yuk. I have given up on trying to understand Misty and Ron's relationship. In the beginning I didn't think he had anything to do with this but his behavior has been beyond bizarre for an innocent man. I will never understand him marrying Misty, never. She is a loose cannon now and I believe she will finally drop the ball. THat girl sure loves the attention though. jmo

[KittyMom]

I'm curious about whether there have been any other lawyers step forward to represent Misty.

[KittyMom]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21286715/detail.html

Misty Cummings' Attorney Quits
Fields said he withdrew over a disagreement in the way the case should be handled.

So, what did he think should've been done differently?

[4Kids]

Not sure where that come from. Was that also in AH's article?

Still waiting on this as well. I don't believe AH...and Baywench...I for one don't consider him legitimate in the least. Anyone have info regarding the "text". IMO

[?noanswer]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21286715/detail.html

Misty Cummings' Attorney Quits


So, what did he think should've been done differently?

I don't think Misty would take his advise. He had asked her not to go on the CBS show, but she went anyway. I think he also told her not to take the tests with TM. He was trying to keep her quite, but she refused to listen. JMO

[4Kids]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21286715/detail.html

Misty Cummings' Attorney Quits


So, what did he think should've been done differently?

I wouldn't know where to begin. The LDTs, the hypnosis, speaking with LE without him present...etc. IMO

[baywench]

Still waiting on this as well. I don't believe AH...and Baywench...I for one don't consider him legitimate in the least. Anyone have info regarding the "text". IMO


Whew! Thank goodness. I hadn't posted in a few days and I was afraid the world had turned upside down! jmo

[grammie/va]

Earlier in the case AH was pretty much considered an unreliable source, how come all of a sudden he is being quoted? LOL I realized after reading that sentence I am giving you the third degree. Question to the masses....when did AH become legitamate? jmo

That is why I said I would leave it up to each person to decide. I don't trust any of the drama players that have inserted themselves into the case. I don't trust AH, TJH, SB, NG Show or any of them. They all have a tendency to exaggerate and add to the truth till it isn't even close to the originial statements.

[4Kids]

Whew! Thank goodness. I hadn't posted in a few days and I was afraid the world had turned upside down! jmo

Bwhaha. Unfortunately, I don't find many sources legit regarding this case. When did missing children's cases become so sensationalized? What case was the turning point?

BTW...I would really love to discuss facts we have to date. I think Kitty attempted this a few days ago, but it went downhill due to team fighting.

Fact: LE states Ron was at work
Fact: LE states Crystal has been cleared of suspicion as has Ron
Fact: LE states there was no sign of force entry
Fact: LE states all SO's were cleared

The above facts have been established, at least via LE statements;

Fact or Fiction: Neighbors heard loud voices between 1 and 2 am?
Fact or Fiction: Neighbors saw Haleigh in the yard around 5PM?
Fact or Fiction: Dogs hit on dumpster?
I am still uncertain about the above. Anyone intersted in playing fact or fiction?

Haleigh....where are you?

IMo

[VC2]

I'm curious about whether there have been any other lawyers step forward to represent Misty.

Did NG mention it tonight? (its the finale of Hells Kitchen which takes precedence for me :laugh:)

She sure needs one.

I think that Ron married her for two reasons. One he did love her (they had been talking marriage before haleigh disappeared) and knew he was innocent but also felt that no way could his partner/woman he loved be involved. With the media/world pointing fingers at the the two of them I suspect it was partly a need to feel and prove he loved her, at least they had each other as they looked for Haleigh and dealt with the tragedy. Something many do, a tragedy can either drive people further apart or bring them closer and neither for the right reason at first.

I also think that Misty played on the "haleigh wanted us to get married" theme and continually asked or wanted him to prove he believed in her. Not blaming her for that if she is innocent because at 47 i would need reassurance my partner didn't blame me or think i could do such a thing let alone 17. If she is not then I think she was silly enough to think marital privelege went backwards but either way she wanted Ron to marry her.

Another reason was the one he purportedly gave TM and could be happen at the same time as the first reason. He had some doubt and wanted to keep her close in case. Also probably believed that if it was "innocent" such as she went out and returned to a missing Haleigh that she was more likely to tell him if they were married

IMO

[4Kids]

That is why I said I would leave it up to each person to decide. I don't trust any of the drama players that have inserted themselves into the case. I don't trust AH, TJH, SB, NG Show or any of them. They all have a tendency to exaggerate and add to the truth till it isn't even close to the originial statements.

I agree grammie. Unfortunately, due to recent events, I am adding TM to that list. Not legit...at least in this case. IMO

[?noanswer]

Did NG mention it tonight? (its the finale of Hells Kitchen which takes precedence for me :laugh:)

She sure needs one.

I think that Ron married her for two reasons. One he did love her (they had been talking marriage before haleigh disappeared) and knew he was innocent but also felt that no way could his partner/woman he loved be involved. With the media/world pointing fingers at the the two of them I suspect it was partly a need to feel and prove he loved her, at least they had each other as they looked for Haleigh and dealt with the tragedy. Something many do, a tragedy can either drive people further apart or bring them closer and neither for the right reason at first.

I also think that Misty played on the "haleigh wanted us to get married" theme and continually asked or wanted him to prove he believed in her. Not blaming her for that if she is innocent because at 47 i would need reassurance my partner didn't blame me or think i could do such a thing let alone 17. If she is not then I think she was silly enough to think marital privelege went backwards but either way she wanted Ron to marry her.

Another reason was the one he purportedly gave TM and could be happen at the same time as the first reason. He had some doubt and wanted to keep her close in case. Also probably believed that if it was "innocent" such as she went out and returned to a missing Haleigh that she was more likely to tell him if they were married

IMO


Not on NG tonight. JMO

[baywench]

I resolved a long time ago to only believe what's told my LE. Now when was the last time LE held a news conference about Haleigh's disappearance? Does anyone remember?


Oh you poor thing! You HAVE been waiting a long time! At least they release dribs and drabs now and then. jmo

[grammie/va]

I resolved a long time ago to only believe what's told my LE. Now when was the last time LE held a news conference about Haleigh's disappearance? Does anyone remember?

Here is a little update from today.

Sheriff's Office Responds to Haleigh Rumors

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146582&catid=3

[FrankieBones1]

That is why I said I would leave it up to each person to decide. I don't trust any of the drama players that have inserted themselves into the case. I don't trust AH, TJH, SB, NG Show or any of them. They all have a tendency to exaggerate and add to the truth till it isn't even close to the originial statements.
Truer words were never spoken. Thanks, Grammie.

[VC2]

Still waiting on this as well. I don't believe AH...and Baywench...I for one don't consider him legitimate in the least. Anyone have info regarding the "text". IMO

Only place i saw it was in AH's piece as a quote from Tim. The important thing is that there was no context.

A reporter from Orlando actually outed Donna as a TES "plant" after the road rage stop since she was the driver, he put two and two together. It was coming out that day apparently, i cant find the link bc of dial up but it is out there. It could have been as simple as "I told you she was a plant" or as complicated as hoping to rattle her right before she got on the Today show

[grammie/va]

grammie/va,
I don't know ya but :wub: thank you!

You are welcome. I read here everyday as well as many other boards and only post very little because I refuse to get into the side choosing and the bickering, mainly because I just don't believe we have enough FACTS from LE to know who is responsible. I sure hope that LE knows more than they have said though. I don't trust all the side show drama and 5 minute fame seekers that have injected themselves into the case.
I deal in FACTS and FACTS alone. Not my place to be judge and jury to any one person.


♥WhereIsHaLeigh♥BringHaLeighHomeNow♥

[4Kids]

fact or fiction: Tommy banged on Rons MH door at around 10pm and got no response????

My vote....FICTION. IMO

[Gumby]

Random q: Does anyone know of an "Alan/Allen" (first name) connected to any of the main players in this case?

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Ok, so LE has told us that they are looking for someone to come forward to confirm that Misty was not at home that night. If they are looking for confirmation of that, it would seem their working theory is placing Misty not at home. I wonder if they believe that the children were home alone or were with Misty?

For argument's sake, let's assume Misty was away from the home but left the children there. What scenarios can we theorize? If the children were home alone, who would be the most likely suspect?

I would really like to hear others' ideas and theories based on a situation where the kids were home alone and Misty was out "partying" or whatever. (I am also interested in theories about Misty AND the children being away from home, but have heard many of those already) It doesn't seem that I've read too much about what anybody thinks might have happened if the kids were home alone.


Obviously, to answer my question there is going to be a reasonable amount of speculation and imagination involved. I hope it's ok to have that sort of discussion here!

[HeadsOrTails]

Random q: Does anyone know of an "Alan/Allen" (first name) connected to any of the main players in this case?

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Ok, so LE has told us that they are looking for someone to come forward to confirm that Misty was not at home that night. If they are looking for confirmation of that, it would seem their working theory is placing Misty not at home. I wonder if they believe that the children were home alone or were with Misty?

For argument's sake, let's assume Misty was away from the home but left the children there. What scenarios can we theorize? If the children were home alone, who would be the most likely suspect?

I would really like to hear others' ideas and theories based on a situation where the kids were home alone and Misty was out "partying" or whatever. (I am also interested in theories about Misty AND the children being away from home, but have heard many of those already) It doesn't seem that I've read too much about what anybody thinks might have happened if the kids were home alone.


Obviously, to answer my question there is going to be a reasonable amount of speculation and imagination involved. I hope it's ok to have that sort of discussion here!

IF she wasn't home it would have to move Tommy to suspect #1 if she left the kids I would think. If she had done this before and someone noticed, it could be anyone including a friend of the SO's who have been cleared. Then we'd have to wonder how they got in without harming the door locks.

[?noanswer]

Random q: Does anyone know of an "Alan/Allen" (first name) connected to any of the main players in this case?

---------------

Ok, so LE has told us that they are looking for someone to come forward to confirm that Misty was not at home that night. If they are looking for confirmation of that, it would seem their working theory is placing Misty not at home. I wonder if they believe that the children were home alone or were with Misty?

For argument's sake, let's assume Misty was away from the home but left the children there. What scenarios can we theorize? If the children were home alone, who would be the most likely suspect?

I would really like to hear others' ideas and theories based on a situation where the kids were home alone and Misty was out "partying" or whatever. (I am also interested in theories about Misty AND the children being away from home, but have heard many of those already) It doesn't seem that I've read too much about what anybody thinks might have happened if the kids were home alone.


Obviously, to answer my question there is going to be a reasonable amount of speculation and imagination involved. I hope it's ok to have that sort of discussion here!

One would think that had Misty left them home alone, JR would have spilled the beans. In fact it would seem to me that JR would have told LE if they left and went somewhere. It is a total mystery to me. JMO

[W_D_1]

Earlier in the case AH was pretty much considered an unreliable source, how come all of a sudden he is being quoted? LOL I realized after reading that sentence I am giving you the third degree. Question to the masses....when did AH become legitamate? jmo



I can only speak for myself....I only give Art Harris credence when what he says is verified by other sources.

[TaraCrazyHair]

fact or fiction: Tommy banged on Rons MH door at around 10pm and got no response????


I tend to believe it

[TaraCrazyHair]

Anything new happen today?

[TaraCrazyHair]

That could be true. Then again think of it this way. Think of being a 3-4 year old child and witnessing whatever may have been witnessed. Then think about waking up and hearing your babysitter crying and your daddy crying and yelling and grandmoma comes over and she's crying. Then the police come to your house.............There is a good possibility that the child couldn't remember what happened.

It was traumatic but that age remembers a lot! I wonder what he talks about

[Zeus]

One would think that had Misty left them home alone, JR would have spilled the beans. In fact it would seem to me that JR would have told LE if they left and went somewhere. It is a total mystery to me. JMO

I've always thought that too. I think Misty may have slept through the actual abduction and honestly doesn't know what happened. Although I do think it's possible that more went on after Jr. went to bed and before Misty woke up and discovered HaLeigh missing, that Misty is withholding.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm curious about whether there have been any other lawyers step forward to represent Misty.


Do we even know how Fields came to be in the picture?

[TaraCrazyHair]

I've always thought that too. I think Misty may have slept through the actual abduction and honestly doesn't know what happened. Although I do think it's possible that more went on after Jr. went to bed and before Misty woke up and discovered HaLeigh missing, that Misty is withholding.

There are times I feel Misty does not know anything and other times I feel she knows everything ... but I do not feel Haleigh was abducted at any point since at mid Feb

[TaraCrazyHair]

Who is Sarah Sheffield?

[TaraCrazyHair]

“We still don’t’ believe she’s giving us straight information,” a source close to the case tells me. “She keeps telling us the same thing over and over again, and we have information that shows it’s not true…At some point, she has to make a decision if she wants to stay the course, or is she going to tell us.


OK ... exactly which part(s) are they referring to?

(My guess is still the back door scenario and the blankets)

[Acey]

fact or fiction: Tommy banged on Rons MH door at around 10pm and got no response????

I still can't understand why no neighbors reported seeing Tommy walking to the house, no dogs barking as he walked, or if he drove no one reported seeing his car, heard the banging on the doors, calling Misty's name, or hanging around the house at 10 p.m. as Tommy supposedly said.

Based on statements in the media by neighbors, it appears some have been very observant of what went on in and around Haleigh's home. It just doesn't make sense no one saw or heard Tommy at 10 p.m. but noises were reportedly heard around 1-2 a.m.

[Bspotti!]

Tara the blanket/blankets really I cannot let it go. I think that she got angry, found she had wet the bed one more time and lost it; now that is a theme that just keeps coming full circle for me.
Worse, how Misty said she was last wearing that pink shirt and not PJs,
Daytime clothing she placed her in. So that also makes me wonder, did she ever truly make it to bed that night? We don't know. What we do know is that when MC relays her story about that moment, she either scratches her face (lying) looks away, rolls her eyes, or changes her story in the next breath.
I place her closer to a sociopath. I think she thought she could do one better than Casey A and I think she followed her case. I'd love to hear about whether she truly did or not, wouldn't you? Here Comes Mrs Cummings before the court, a 17 yr old tied down to a sick child and an infant every night......

It doesn't look good for an outcome of a live child but others have more hope than I'm known to have.
B

[Bspotti!]

Only place i saw it was in AH's piece as a quote from Tim. The important thing is that there was no context.

A reporter from Orlando actually outed Donna as a TES "plant" after the road rage stop since she was the driver, he put two and two together. It was coming out that day apparently, i cant find the link bc of dial up but it is out there. It could have been as simple as "I told you she was a plant" or as complicated as hoping to rattle her right before she got on the Today show

Holy Cows are you serious? I didn't know the driver in the incident was with TES. I have not heard that. I don't need a link for "proof" but if any one has one, I'll visit it! TIA. I only had a chance to visit quickly the other night, see which side of the fence most were on, and if anything new has been found. It's very frustrating every day when there is nothing and when LE comes out and states they have no leads, that is not good.
B

[Acey]

I can only speak for myself....I only give Art Harris credence when what he says is verified by other sources.

I read there once, and that was enough. I'll wait for official information from LE.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Tara the blanket/blankets really I cannot let it go. I think that she got angry, found she had wet the bed one more time and lost it; now that is a theme that just keeps coming full circle for me.
Worse, how Misty said she was last wearing that pink shirt and not PJs,
Daytime clothing she placed her in. So that also makes me wonder, did she ever truly make it to bed that night? We don't know. What we do know is that when MC relays her story about that moment, she either scratches her face (lying) looks away, rolls her eyes, or changes her story in the next breath.
I place her closer to a sociopath. I think she thought she could do one better than Casey A and I think she followed her case. I'd love to hear about whether she truly did or not, wouldn't you? Here Comes Mrs Cummings before the court, a 17 yr old tied down to a sick child and an infant every night......

It doesn't look good for an outcome of a live child but others have more hope than I'm known to have.
B


When she did the hypnosis (skeptical!!) she mentioned she placed her her in bed with the pink shirt but we all know that shirt was in the laundry basket

Was she really under hypnosis? Dunno but the fact she said the pink shirt kind of makes me think maybe she was yet it all seem hokey

Still no explanation about the van they took and the blanket

But that darned back door .... that is the key IMO

It could not be wide open

[TaraCrazyHair]

Holy Cows are you serious? I didn't know the driver in the incident was with TES. I have not heard that. I don't need a link for "proof" but if any one has one, I'll visit it! TIA. I only had a chance to visit quickly the other night, see which side of the fence most were on, and if anything new has been found. It's very frustrating every day when there is nothing and when LE comes out and states they have no leads, that is not good.
B

Yes, Donna was working with Tim with Misty

[Acey]

Who is Sarah Sheffield?

Crystal's sister - Sarah Lavon Sheffield

[BitterSweet]

My vote....FICTION. IMO


Fiction that Tommy knocked on the door? I agree.
BitterSweet

[QtPye]

Random q: Does anyone know of an "Alan/Allen" (first name) connected to any of the main players in this case?

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For argument's sake, let's assume Misty was away from the home but left the children there. What scenarios can we theorize? If the children were home alone, who would be the most likely suspect?

I would really like to hear others' ideas and theories based on a situation where the kids were home alone and Misty was out "partying" or whatever.

Obviously, to answer my question there is going to be a reasonable amount of speculation and imagination involved. I hope it's ok to have that sort of discussion here!

**above quote snipped for space...

Theory 1: Misty & kids home asleep (like she said) Tommy comes, knocks, no answer, snatches Haleigh and says he was there bangin but no answer just to cover in case someone saw him around there.

Theory 2: Misty leaves and same thing... he comes and gets her. Misty comes home about 3 (knowing ron will be getting home soon) and finds that Haleigh is missing.

Theory 3: Some kind of accident (whether at home or away w/ kids) and she freaks and tries to get rid of her.

Theory 4: Crystal and Chad don't want her for whatever reason. Maybe not kill her but have her with someone somewhere else. Then she will just 'reappear' and she will get kids cuz looks like Ron is bad parents (hey, im just theorizing. lol)

Theory 5: A family acquaintance/friend took her. Just cuz all the KNOWN sex offenders aren't suspects...doesn't mean there aren't SO's out there that haven't been caught.

Theory 6: a neighbor ... etc

[VC2]

Holy Cows are you serious? I didn't know the driver in the incident was with TES. I have not heard that. I don't need a link for "proof" but if any one has one, I'll visit it! TIA. I only had a chance to visit quickly the other night, see which side of the fence most were on, and if anything new has been found. It's very frustrating every day when there is nothing and when LE comes out and states they have no leads, that is not good.
B

Yes serious and makes sense. Any reporter worth their salt would have checked who was the driver of the rental car/renter that Misty was in during the traffic stop. There is a link, posted the other night but i just don't know were to find it quickly on dial up.

That is why Ron's supposed texting doesn't bother me a whit. If i was suspicious of my g/f and discovered by a phone call or something that the friend she took off with was "under cover" i probably would have texted her too..either as an 'i told u so' or more likely wanting to throw her off her game just before the show..and its news that was coming out that day

imo

[VC2]

Holy Cows are you serious? I didn't know the driver in the incident was with TES. I have not heard that. I don't need a link for "proof" but if any one has one, I'll visit it! TIA. I only had a chance to visit quickly the other night, see which side of the fence most were on, and if anything new has been found. It's very frustrating every day when there is nothing and when LE comes out and states they have no leads, that is not good.
B

From the AH article and i do believe this one since its not hard to confirm given license checks and rental cars:

Only last week’s road rage incident, when police pulled Misty over with driver and new best “friend” Donna Brock, blew his cover. Courtney Ballinger told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office that a driver and passenger of a blue Dodge Caliber kept gesturing and making threats as they were driving near her on Interstate 4. No one was charged or arrested, but Brock was identified as a Miller volunteer, outted by a Florida radio station.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/#more-3224

[VC2]

**above quote snipped for space...

Theory 1: Misty & kids home asleep (like she said) Tommy comes, knocks, no answer, snatches Haleigh and says he was there bangin but no answer just to cover in case someone saw him around there.

Theory 2: Misty leaves and same thing... he comes and gets her. Misty comes home about 3 (knowing ron will be getting home soon) and finds that Haleigh is missing.

Theory 3: Some kind of accident (whether at home or away w/ kids) and she freaks and tries to get rid of her.

Theory 4: Crystal and Chad don't want her for whatever reason. Maybe not kill her but have her with someone somewhere else. Then she will just 'reappear' and she will get kids cuz looks like Ron is bad parents (hey, im just theorizing. lol)

Theory 5: A family acquaintance/friend took her. Just cuz all the KNOWN sex offenders aren't suspects...doesn't mean there aren't SO's out there that haven't been caught.

Theory 6: a neighbor ... etc

good points! Just because i feel she is trying to save her own butt does not mean she was involved. No way she is telling Ron she went out partying or to meet some guy while looking after the kids

I do wonder about tommy

[HouseOfClark]

One would think that had Misty left them home alone, JR would have spilled the beans. In fact it would seem to me that JR would have told LE if they left and went somewhere. It is a total mystery to me. JMO

Maybe he already did?

We don't know what Jr.'s statements to police were. Apparently the "man in black" was later confirmed by TN on NG.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Fiction that Tommy knocked on the door? I agree.
BitterSweet

But LE says he knocked on the door.

I thought we only believed things that came from LE? :tonguewag:

(Now I will give you that LE said that Tommy said, but I can see where it wouldn't necessarily be true - only said to get a reaction out of certain people. If you know what I mean....)

[Texas48]

for Wednesday Oct. 14th

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13557074#post13557074

[Kathlb]

Bwhaha. Unfortunately, I don't find many sources legit regarding this case. When did missing children's cases become so sensationalized? What case was the turning point?

BTW...I would really love to discuss facts we have to date. I think Kitty attempted this a few days ago, but it went downhill due to team fighting.

Fact: LE states Ron was at work
Fact: LE states Crystal has been cleared of suspicion as has Ron
Fact: LE states there was no sign of force entry
Fact: LE states all SO's were cleared

The above facts have been established, at least via LE statements;

Fact or Fiction: Neighbors heard loud voices between 1 and 2 am?
Fact or Fiction: Neighbors saw Haleigh in the yard around 5PM?
Fact or Fiction: Dogs hit on dumpster?
I am still uncertain about the above. Anyone intersted in playing fact or fiction?

Haleigh....where are you?

IMo

I didn't see the dogs hit on the dumpster, but I sat and actually watched as LE emptied that dumpster piece by piece. The link is to my eyes I guess. ;-)