10/10/09-10/11/09

[Pruddennce]

good morning....

my morning nag:

I have yet to see any LE/FBI investigative narrative specifically asking GA or CA IF they cleaned the trunk, and if so, what products were used, when it was cleaned, and who cleaned it.

one recollection only: Cindy told LE she sprayed Fabreeze (in the air, in the car? SHE DID NOT SAY)....

I dont recall LE asking either one of them: DID YOU CLEAN THE STAIN and what did you use.

The stain was described in the past tense by GA and he was describing it as if its presentation was less glaring.

Wondering if such a narrative exists. and if not, why would LE/FBI skip asking them these important questions. they were in possession of this vehicle for several hours after retrieving it from impound.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence*

[Neffy]

good morning....

my morning nag:

I have yet to see any LE/FBI investigative narrative specifically asking GA or CA IF they cleaned the trunk, and if so, what products were used, when it was cleaned, and who cleaned it.

one recollection only: Cindy told LE she sprayed Fabreeze (in the air, in the car? SHE DID NOT SAY)....

I dont recall LE asking either one of them: DID YOU CLEAN THE STAIN and what did you use.

The stain was described in the past tense by GA and he was describing it as if its presentation was less glaring.

Wondering if such a narrative exists. and if not, why would LE/FBI skip asking them these important questions. they were in possession of this vehicle for several hours after retrieving it from impound.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence*


Excellent point Pru. (sorry about the non-maggot evidence yesterday).

Still no word on the id taken from Casey's wallet by LE. More evidence is out there stil being with held.

[spydernweb2006]

This commercial that is playing alot makes me cry, as it always reminds me of Caylee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnCjaOTAxI

Especially after hearing about the 3 pieces of duct tape...I just cannot fathom HOW anyone could do something like that to a sweet little girl, or Parents that condone/coverup for such action.

I hope before the dust settles in this case that Casey and Her Family pay for harming Caylee....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Scampi]

Morning everyone. Bringing this post over:

Scampi
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Buying coffee stock.
Posts: 2,044

Quote:
Originally Posted by msgatorslayer
Another words, the Henkel brand tape was not found in the home to match up to the tape found on the remains?

But we now know, thanks to Team Kathi, that the tape was in the home at the time Caylee was killed. It was used by Mom and Dad to hang missing Caylee posters, lol.

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But a piece of the very rare Henkel brand tape was found on the gas can, in the home. And, imo the chemical analysis of that tape, matched the tape around Caylee's mouth.

Welcome back 8 Bells, missed you.
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Pru, aren't there witnesses accounts of the anthonys cleaning the car?

[8BellesFan]

cleaned the car, threw the clothes in the washer, cleaned the knife and whistled on to work for pete sake.

[Kathlb]

This commercial that is playing alot makes me cry, as it always reminds me of Caylee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnCjaOTAxI

Especially after hearing about the 3 pieces of duct tape...I just cannot fathom HOW anyone could do something like that to a sweet little girl, or Parents that condone/coverup for such action.

I hope before the dust settles in this case that Casey and Her Family pay for harming Caylee....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

I agree, there is more than one person responsible for that beautiful baby's death in this mess. The grandparents are responsible too and it is proven out in the documents, the lies and the facts in this case. In a perfect world, they all would pay for that. MOO

[kitty1182]

cleaned the car, threw the clothes in the washer, cleaned the knife and whistled on to work for pete sake.

Amazing isn't it? :angry:

[desmom]

This commercial that is playing alot makes me cry, as it always reminds me of Caylee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnCjaOTAxI

Especially after hearing about the 3 pieces of duct tape...I just cannot fathom HOW anyone could do something like that to a sweet little girl, or Parents that condone/coverup for such action.

I hope before the dust settles in this case that Casey and Her Family pay for harming Caylee....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

I was reading the first time I heard the commercial. It made me gasp when I heard the little girl's voice.

[september]

Good morining all.

I have looked at a lot of pictures of Caylee and I see a child that is very wary and uneasy. The video of her with her mother shows me a child somewhat bewildered and on guard. I think Casey routinely lost her temper with that baby and Caylee was always on edge waiting for the next explosion. We've seen Casey in a rage, think about a two year old facing that.

What do you think? Is this just me projecting what I know about Casey?

[spydernweb2006]

I was reading the first time I heard the commercial. It made me gasp when I heard the little girl's voice.

I never wish ill to people as I believe what you put out comes back to you but I wish the Anthony Family feels horrible gut wrenching guilt everytime that commercial plays.

I honestly dont know HOW they live with themselves after what I believe was covering up/condoning Caylee's death. I just dont understand how they can ever even look at a picture of Caylee and not blame their daughter. If nothing else from Casey's own admission she allowed the occurene that caused Caylee's death. ( IMO I dont believe the whole zanny nanny theory). But as a Grandmother of 2 Id be furious and heartbroken if I knew my son or daughter in law allowed them to be near anyone that could even think of harming them. The Anthony's, all of them didnt want to be responsible for Caylee or her welfare. NONE of them wanted the bother of watching Caylee....


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[Pruddennce]

Morning everyone. Bringing this post over:

Scampi
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Buying coffee stock.
Posts: 2,044

Quote:
Originally Posted by msgatorslayer
Another words, the Henkel brand tape was not found in the home to match up to the tape found on the remains?

But we now know, thanks to Team Kathi, that the tape was in the home at the time Caylee was killed. It was used by Mom and Dad to hang missing Caylee posters, lol.

---------------------------------------------------------------


But a piece of the very rare Henkel brand tape was found on the gas can, in the home. And, imo the chemical analysis of that tape, matched the tape around Caylee's mouth.

Welcome back 8 Bells, missed you.
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Pru, aren't there witnesses accounts of the anthonys cleaning the car?

Scampi, I do not recall any witnesses who saw CA or GA cleaning the car.

I am really curious about how the defense is going to present the kidnapping. Casey, in her interrogation interview at Universal was presented with: we know you didnt drop her off at Sawgrass (cameras), and presented with 'thats a lie, right", <---paraphrasing: she responds UH HUH (affirmative)...well, the park story was never told to LE by her....this was told only to her family who then presented the 'new story' to LE.

The defense IMO, will have a problem with referring back to 'what she told her family', because what she told her family is flawed and could not be substantiated and/or was proven to be false based on a myriad of investigative results.

the only relevant 'Casey told me" statement, IMO, is what she told various friends AND FAMILY concerning where Caylee was....those were consistent statements: always FUN PLACES and ALWAYS with the babysitter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[spydernweb2006]

Scampi, I do not recall any witnesses who saw CA or GA cleaning the car.

I am really curious about how the defense is going to present the kidnapping. Casey, in her interrogation interview at Universal was presented with: we know you didnt drop her off at Sawgrass (cameras), and presented with 'thats a lie, right", <---paraphrasing: she responds UH HUH (affirmative)...well, the park story was never told to LE by her....this was told only to her family who then presented the 'new story' to LE.

The defense IMO, will have a problem with referring back to 'what she told her family', because what she told her family is flawed and could not be substantiated and/or was proven to be false based on a myriad of investigative results.

the only relevant 'Casey told me" statement, IMO, is what she told various friends AND FAMILY concerning where Caylee was....those were consistent statements: always FUN PLACES and ALWAYS with the babysitter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Personally I believe Casey has painted herself into a corner with the Nanny excuse. The Only way the jury will hear any other theory is IF Casey testifies, otherwise its hearsay. The defense is gonna hafta jump high hurdles to get over the Nanny defense after Casey wrote and swore to that excuse to LE.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[8BellesFan]

Good morining all.

I have looked at a lot of pictures of Caylee and I see a child that is very wary and uneasy. The video of her with her mother shows me a child somewhat bewildered and on guard. I think Casey routinely lost her temper with that baby and Caylee was always on edge waiting for the next explosion. We've seen Casey in a rage, think about a two year old facing that.

What do you think? Is this just me projecting what I know about Casey?

IMO, no you are not projecting. I think there were bright moments of mother daughter affection most likely for camera photo ops. The real relationship would never be captured on film. It's too nasty. I too think the child was on guard quite a bit. She seemed to have a way of appearing to be examining for motive of behaviour a lot. I imagine the moments of brightness were quite confusing. But kids love unconditionally sometimes. Kids can even love bad parents quite a bit.

[Pruddennce]

I never wish ill to people as I believe what you put out comes back to you but I wish the Anthony Family feels horrible gut wrenching guilt everytime that commercial plays.

I honestly dont know HOW they live with themselves after what I believe was covering up/condoning Caylee's death. I just dont understand how they can ever even look at a picture of Caylee and not blame their daughter. If nothing else from Casey's own admission she allowed the occurene that caused Caylee's death. ( IMO I dont believe the whole zanny nanny theory). But as a Grandmother of 2 Id be furious and heartbroken if I knew my son or daughter in law allowed them to be near anyone that could even think of harming them. The Anthony's, all of them didnt want to be responsible for Caylee or her welfare. NONE of them wanted the bother of watching Caylee....


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

I agree with you. what is deeply bothering for me is Cindy's ability to compose a list of UNDESIRABLES with regard to the memorial. A list that is comparable to an FBI list of terrorists. THAT IS ABHORRENT BEHAVIOUR, someone who is NOT consumed by grief, rather, is consumed by HATRED and IMO, who is extremely dangerous to the community at large.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Neffy]

Personally I believe Casey has painted herself into a corner with the Nanny excuse. The Only way the jury will hear any other theory is IF Casey testifies, otherwise its hearsay. The defense is gonna hafta jump high hurdles to get over the Nanny defense after Casey wrote and swore to that excuse to LE.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

No job, no nanny needed. Neither exist.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I don;t see how any jury could believe anything that come out of casey or cindy mouth. I would not even believe geroge or lee we have heard them both lie. The tape of lee and tony tells us lee don;t believe his sister even tho he wants to say he does. They all know casey did something to CAYLEE and if I was on a jury I could see that too.I just hope the jury that hears this case can see thru all the lie;s. none of it makes any sense.jmho:wub:

[martha]

IMO, no you are not projecting. I think there were bright moments of mother daughter affection most likely for camera photo ops. The real relationship would never be captured on film. It's too nasty. I too think the child was on guard quite a bit. She seemed to have a way of appearing to be examining for motive of behaviour a lot. I imagine the moments of brightness were quite confusing. But kids love unconditionally sometimes. Kids can even love bad parents quite a bit.ITA a child loves a parent no matter how bad they treat them. A childs love is so sweet and uncondition just the sweetest love ever. how anyone can hurt a child is beond me.jmho:wub:

[IM4Truth]

I agree, there is more than one person responsible for that beautiful baby's death in this mess. The grandparents are responsible too and it is proven out in the documents, the lies and the facts in this case. In a perfect world, they all would pay for that. MOO

I've been following another case and haven't had time to catch up, who else is responsible for Caylee's death? Is this something in the latest doc dumps? Sorry, I am so far behind.

[Sun]

I've been following another case and haven't had time to catch up, who else is responsible for Caylee's death? Is this something in the latest doc dumps? Sorry, I am so far behind.

I have been scouring through this last doc dump, looking specifically for anything that could point to anyone other than Casey. Other than one unidentified head hair (not belonging to Casey or Caylee) that was found on a "collection paper" I don't see anything yet. (the collection paper was placed under the skull while it was being inspected or processed, IIRC).

There is just going to be nothing in the forensics that the defense can use that IMO, will establish reasonable doubt with a jury. It doesn't for me, anyway.

[Neffy]

I have been scouring through this last doc dump, looking specifically for anything that could point to anyone other than Casey. Other than one unidentified head hair (not belonging to Casey or Caylee) that was found on a "collection paper" I don't see anything yet. (the collection paper was placed under the skull while it was being inspected or processed, IIRC).

There is just going to be nothing in the forensics that the defense can use that IMO, will establish reasonable doubt with a jury. It doesn't for me, anyway.

No forensics in her favor I agree

[Bala]

Good morining all.

I have looked at a lot of pictures of Caylee and I see a child that is very wary and uneasy. The video of her with her mother shows me a child somewhat bewildered and on guard. I think Casey routinely lost her temper with that baby and Caylee was always on edge waiting for the next explosion. We've seen Casey in a rage, think about a two year old facing that.

What do you think? Is this just me projecting what I know about Casey?
The one thing missing from all Caylee's pictures is the sparkle in her eyes. Even Haleigh Cummings has a sparkle in her eye in all her pictures. It the first thing I notice when looking at the pictures of Caylee the dark circles and the lack of a sparkle all children have.

[5boxersmom]

cleaned the car, threw the clothes in the washer, cleaned the knife and whistled on to work for pete sake.

Yep and I will never forget Cindy telling Amy that if she didn't find Casey she would go to jail. They knew.

jmo

[Duke]

good morning....

my morning nag:

I have yet to see any LE/FBI investigative narrative specifically asking GA or CA IF they cleaned the trunk, and if so, what products were used, when it was cleaned, and who cleaned it.

one recollection only: Cindy told LE she sprayed Fabreeze (in the air, in the car? SHE DID NOT SAY)....

I dont recall LE asking either one of them: DID YOU CLEAN THE STAIN and what did you use.

The stain was described in the past tense by GA and he was describing it as if its presentation was less glaring.

Wondering if such a narrative exists. and if not, why would LE/FBI skip asking them these important questions. they were in possession of this vehicle for several hours after retrieving it from impound.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence*


Bold by me.
Excellent point. Maybe they are saving this for the trial?? Maybe the easy questions are not asked and are saved for on the spot questioning?

[Bala]

Personally I believe Casey has painted herself into a corner with the Nanny excuse. The Only way the jury will hear any other theory is IF Casey testifies, otherwise its hearsay. The defense is gonna hafta jump high hurdles to get over the Nanny defense after Casey wrote and swore to that excuse to LE.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder
If you read Bob Scheaffer's latest column on the case it seems to me he's saying that in the defenses latest motion asking for the DP to be taken off the table they are saying that Casey is swearing to the facts of the nanny story. If I'm reading him right by doing so the State can now question her during the motion hearing about this.

[Bala]

According to Bob Sheaffer in order to have the charges against her dropped Casey must swear that the all the evidence the state has against her is true and convince the judge that it's not enough to convict her. The State would have the right to question her during the motion hearing.

[Duke]

cleaned the car, threw the clothes in the washer, cleaned the knife and whistled on to work for pete sake.

I read all the time here but I must have missed the knife part. Where does the knife come into play? Was it found in the car?

I just don't get the thought process Cindy had that her immediate response was to wash and clean up? If my car smelled of death I would be on the phone with the police to say "something is wrong please help us". Help me understand. Cindy cleaned up then did her 911 call?

[Sun]

According to Bob Sheaffer in order to have the charges against her dropped Casey must swear that the all the evidence the state has against her is true and convince the judge that it's not enough to convict her. The State would have the right to question her during the motion hearing.

You mean like Casey would have to "swear" to the fact that a hair with decomp was in the trunk of her car, and that it came from Caylee? In the amended motion, Baez indicated that the motion was based mostly on lab reports results.... so why didn't Casey swear to a known result that was most favorable to the prosecution?

I admit that I'm a bit confused, because I do believe that the Motion to Dismiss counts I and II came from Lyon. Yet, perhaps the amended motion came from Baez. Is it because Lyon does not know the laws in Florida, or that she just isn't putting forth the effort on this case. I don't want to miss the court hearing this coming Friday.

[WillowInFlight]

The one thing missing from all Caylee's pictures is the sparkle in her eyes. Even Haleigh Cummings has a sparkle in her eye in all her pictures. It the first thing I notice when looking at the pictures of Caylee the dark circles and the lack of a sparkle all children have.

ITA, usually when a child is happy and smiles that smile will radiate through their eyes. Caylee's eyes were dull, specially in some of the older pictures.

[KatieLady]

I read all the time here but I must have missed the knife part. Where does the knife come into play? Was it found in the car?

I just don't get the thought process Cindy had that her immediate response was to wash and clean up? If my car smelled of death I would be on the phone with the police to say "something is wrong please help us". Help me understand. Cindy cleaned up then did her 911 call?

Yes, a dinner knife was found in the car. Cindy washed it. There is a pic of it in the doc dump from yesterday....LE wanted it examined to see if they could tell if Casey used that knife to cut the duct tape.

[Eagleeye]

If you read Bob Scheaffer's latest column on the case it seems to me he's saying that in the defenses latest motion asking for the DP to be taken off the table they are saying that Casey is swearing to the facts of the nanny story. If I'm reading him right by doing so the State can now question her during the motion hearing about this.

Bala,

Can you point me to Bob Shaeffer's column.

TIA

[Patty437]

I can't believe I just read thru those docs.........saw references to the plastic bottle with liquid in it and a request to determine if it was chloroform...and no result was listed. Hope I didn't miss it cause I'm not looking again!!

[KatieLady]

I can't believe I just read thru those docs.........saw references to the plastic bottle with liquid in it and a request to determine if it was chloroform...and no result was listed. Hope I didn't miss it cause I'm not looking again!!

I didn't see it either Patty

[sammy62]

I read 1400 pages yesterday, but didn't see a pic of knife. does anyone have a link for that.

[KatieLady]

I read 1400 pages yesterday, but didn't see a pic of knife. does anyone have a link for that.

I saw it yesterday sammy...in the doc dump....but I didn't write down the page #. Let me look at yesterday's thread....maybe I can find it

[Patty437]

I read 1400 pages yesterday, but didn't see a pic of knife. does anyone have a link for that.

I did see a picture. More of a pointed edge rather than typical butter knife with rounded edge as I recall.

[Sun]

I read 1400 pages yesterday, but didn't see a pic of knife. does anyone have a link for that.

I remember seeing the pic, maybe around that 700+ page of that 1400 page link.

I can easily describe it. It was a dinner knife from a set (not rounded on the end, but tapered to a sharp point). Looked like either stainless or silver plate. Made for cutting, not spreading.

[KatieLady]

Pg 744 here

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/1009/21252103.pdf

It is much sharper then I had imagined

[Spots]

Thought I'd be ~original~ and post this on the old thread. :rolleyes: Since nobody paid any attention to it over there, I'll bring it over here.

Sprocket has an article up on the case.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

[Duke]

I think C and G loved Caylee but in the back of their minds they know that they should have done something and regret horribly for not stepping up to the plate sooner. I know my parents and in laws both would leave hints (books, emails, pamphlets etc.) on child raising to just spout their message to us that "please be careful about ....." I know that my parents did not want to come across as I know better than you etc. but wanted us to just be careful. My parents were terrified w/ our two dogs interacting our son but I knew and accepted their advice and nothing ever happened. Perhaps Cindy and George were just so overwhelmed with Casey's behavior and had hoped that she would change??

IMO they are so wrenched with guilt that they both went into cover up mode.

[KatieLady]

Thought I'd be ~original~ and post this on the old thread. :rolleyes: Since nobody paid any attention to it over there, I'll bring it over here.

Sprocket has an article up on the case.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

I like her stuff....makes it much easier for me to understand

Thanks Spots!

[KittyMom]

RE Casey's acne: birth control pills can control acne and skin blemishes. Now that Casey is in jail, would she continue to receive the pill?

[Scampi]

Scampi, I do not recall any witnesses who saw CA or GA cleaning the car.

I am really curious about how the defense is going to present the kidnapping. Casey, in her interrogation interview at Universal was presented with: we know you didnt drop her off at Sawgrass (cameras), and presented with 'thats a lie, right", <---paraphrasing: she responds UH HUH (affirmative)...well, the park story was never told to LE by her....this was told only to her family who then presented the 'new story' to LE.

The defense IMO, will have a problem with referring back to 'what she told her family', because what she told her family is flawed and could not be substantiated and/or was proven to be false based on a myriad of investigative results.

the only relevant 'Casey told me" statement, IMO, is what she told various friends AND FAMILY concerning where Caylee was....those were consistent statements: always FUN PLACES and ALWAYS with the babysitter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


I could have sworn one of the newspaper's down there reported they had been spotted cleaning out the car.

I'll say the defense has a problem with referring back to the Blanchard Park story, because any juror with common sense is going to question why she didn't cough this info up to LE.

The list is so long with words and actions by this defendant that just cannot be explained away. IMO.

[Sun]

Thought I'd be ~original~ and post this on the old thread. :rolleyes: Since nobody paid any attention to it over there, I'll bring it over here.

Sprocket has an article up on the case.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Spots, thanks for posting this link. It's a nice recap, and look at what may be addressed at the next hearing.

[bhardy1956]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but this just makes me want to go EWWWWWWW!
casey has a terrible looking back!

I hope the jury gets a good look of this tattoo in court!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,563340,00.html?test=latestnews

[SayItAgain]

I agree, there is more than one person responsible for that beautiful baby's death in this mess. The grandparents are responsible too and it is proven out in the documents, the lies and the facts in this case. In a perfect world, they all would pay for that. MOO

Lord, but I remember the beatings I used to take for saying this very thing early on in the case. I got several bannings for not talking nice about the "grieving grandparents." :glare:

It all seemed so infuriatingly obvious to me from almost day 31. The Anthonys were lying and scheming from jump. They had plenty of bad history with their evil spawn of a daughter and knew what she could be capable of. They were withholding crucial information about why Casey left the house at all with Caylee. They were more concerned with themselves than with the health and safety of their little 2 year-old baby. This group, every one of them, made me sick from the very beginning of this nightmare. :angry:

[need2no]

I could have sworn one of the newspaper's down there reported they had been spotted cleaning out the car.

I'll say the defense has a problem with referring back to the Blanchard Park story, because any juror with common sense is going to question why she didn't cough this info up to LE.

The list is so long with words and actions by this defendant that just cannot be explained away. IMO.

Scampi I also remember it being mentioned that neighbors had observed the Anthony's cleaning out casey's car. In fact I am thinking it was stated they initially were doing this in their driveway. I believe this was stated by that young male reporter to Greta on one of her shows about this case. A while back I tried to find this on video but had no luck and gave up. So...I'm just going by my memory at this point.

[SayItAgain]

Good morining all.

I have looked at a lot of pictures of Caylee and I see a child that is very wary and uneasy. The video of her with her mother shows me a child somewhat bewildered and on guard. I think Casey routinely lost her temper with that baby and Caylee was always on edge waiting for the next explosion. We've seen Casey in a rage, think about a two year old facing that.

What do you think? Is this just me projecting what I know about Casey?

I think Casey put on a good act around other people, so most people assumed thanks to her stage performances that she was a doting mother. I agree with you that behind the scenes, when no one was watching, Casey was horrible to Caylee. I don't know what to make of the computer store guy's statement due to the poor timing of it, but if anything he claims is true, then his description of the way Casey treated Caylee when no one she knew was looking is likely dead-on. imo

[bhardy1956]

I think Casey put on a good act around other people, so most people assumed thanks to her stage performances that she was a doting mother. I agree with you that behind the scenes, when no one was watching, Casey was horrible to Caylee. I don't know what to make of the computer store guy's statement due to the poor timing of it, but if anything he claims is true, then his description of the way Casey treated Caylee when no one she knew was looking is likely dead-on. imo

I don't have this peice of information regarding the computer store guy, what did he say about casey and Caylee? TIA!

[SayItAgain]

IMO, no you are not projecting. I think there were bright moments of mother daughter affection most likely for camera photo ops. The real relationship would never be captured on film. It's too nasty. I too think the child was on guard quite a bit. She seemed to have a way of appearing to be examining for motive of behaviour a lot. I imagine the moments of brightness were quite confusing. But kids love unconditionally sometimes. Kids can even love bad parents quite a bit.

Bolded to address. Absolutely! Very well put ... now I understand what I've been seeing in those huge eyes of hers in so many pictures.

[SayItAgain]

I agree with you. what is deeply bothering for me is Cindy's ability to compose a list of UNDESIRABLES with regard to the memorial. A list that is comparable to an FBI list of terrorists. THAT IS ABHORRENT BEHAVIOUR, someone who is NOT consumed by grief, rather, is consumed by HATRED and IMO, who is extremely dangerous to the community at large.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Bolded to address. Consumed by hatred, competitiveness, vengeance, a need to be right, a need to control ... so many disturbing, potentially dangerous negative emotions rolled up in one female. :scared:

[WillowInFlight]

I think Casey put on a good act around other people, so most people assumed thanks to her stage performances that she was a doting mother. I agree with you that behind the scenes, when no one was watching, Casey was horrible to Caylee. I don't know what to make of the computer store guy's statement due to the poor timing of it, but if anything he claims is true, then his description of the way Casey treated Caylee when no one she knew was looking is likely dead-on. imo

I find his statement suspicious. He said that Casey was walking ahead of Caylee and Caylee was struggling with the door and he felt bad for her. I didn't read whether or not he helped Caylee with the door which I would think would be a gut reaction. Did I miss something?

[5boxersmom]

I find his statement suspicious. He said that Casey was walking ahead of Caylee and Caylee was struggling with the door and he felt bad for her. I didn't read whether or not he helped Caylee with the door which I would think would be a gut reaction. Did I miss something?

I wondered that as well. Unless he was to far away to help her.

But along with his statement, then Cindy asking Tracy if she thought Casey could have lost Caylee at the mall and Lee asking Casey if this was like the last time makes me go hmmm.

Maybe it was her norm to walk ahead of her. Then I have also thought heck, maybe she wanted someone to kidnap Caylee.

jmo

[KatieLady]

I find his statement suspicious. He said that Casey was walking ahead of Caylee and Caylee was struggling with the door and he felt bad for her. I didn't read whether or not he helped Caylee with the door which I would think would be a gut reaction. Did I miss something?

When I read his statement I got the feeling that he wasn't close to them. Wish I could find it but I don't remember where it is :sad:

[WillowInFlight]

I wondered that as well. Unless he was to far away to help her.

But along with his statement, then Cindy asking Tracy if she thought Casey could have lost Caylee at the mall and Lee asking Casey if this was like the last time makes me go hmmm.

Maybe it was her norm to walk ahead of her. Then I have also thought heck, maybe she wanted someone to kidnap Caylee.

jmo

I wish we knew what Lee meant when he said, is this like last time?. I wonder what that child went through in her short little life.

[SayItAgain]

I think C and G loved Caylee but in the back of their minds they know that they should have done something and regret horribly for not stepping up to the plate sooner. I know my parents and in laws both would leave hints (books, emails, pamphlets etc.) on child raising to just spout their message to us that "please be careful about ....." I know that my parents did not want to come across as I know better than you etc. but wanted us to just be careful. My parents were terrified w/ our two dogs interacting our son but I knew and accepted their advice and nothing ever happened. Perhaps Cindy and George were just so overwhelmed with Casey's behavior and had hoped that she would change??

IMO they are so wrenched with guilt that they both went into cover up mode.

I think Cynthia & George loved Caylee as much as it is possible for them to love anyone, since they appear to have no emotional depth whatsoever.

My own impression of their behavior is they are aware on some level they did not raise their daughter to be an upstanding citizen -- they indulged her, enabled her, made excuses for her, tolerated her -- but never did the hard work to bring a rotten child into line. I don't think they ever brought her in line primarily because they are so out of line themselves, Cindy with her superiority complex and need to keep all the family secrets under wraps, and George with his spotty employment record and "financial issues," whatever they might encompass. These were parents not living lives of integrity, so they could hardly instill integrity in their wayward daughter. imo

[cuddlyrunner]

Hi guys, had family down for a couple of days-have we seen this latest document dump with the tattoo photos? If so, can someone tell me where to look? I've just seen on the fox news website that the tattoo photo was released (yuk)

[SayItAgain]

I don't have this peice of information regarding the computer store guy, what did he say about casey and Caylee? TIA!

There's a link somewhere, Beth -- maybe desmom will come along and help you with it. The guy's name is Thompson and he claims (over a year later, unfortunately) to have seen Casey with Caylee in his store on June 9th, and again at a Walmart near his store the day after Father's Day, June 16th, the same day most assume Caylee was killed. He gives a very detailed account of both days and some very good insight into the interaction between Casey and Caylee -- in a nutshell, Casey either ignored her daughter and made or showed signs of jealousy toward her.

[Aunt]

Pg 744 here

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/1009/21252103.pdf

It is much sharper then I had imagined

Thanks Katie.

The knife was sharper than I had thought too.

I also didn't see any results on it.

She used something to cut the duct tape then again I think she taped/murdered Caylee at the house and transported her from there, and she could have used scissors in the house.

But why the sharp knife in the car? It was debated a lot early in the case, here on the board, but noone knows, except Casey.

I also wonder if the knife was part of a matched set in the house.

What can Cindy and George be thinking, looking at these pages of evidence, they MUST know she did it.

Shame on them for not standing for our Caylee! I am disgusted.

jmo :crying:

[Spots]

I find his statement suspicious. He said that Casey was walking ahead of Caylee and Caylee was struggling with the door and he felt bad for her. I didn't read whether or not he helped Caylee with the door which I would think would be a gut reaction. Did I miss something?

I find it rather telling that - at least at first - none of us questioned his statement. When we did, it was not Casey's actions (being jealous of his attention to Caylee, walking in front of her) but whether WalMart had automatic doors or not. Casey's actions (or his description of those actions) felt perfectly in tune with what we have learned about her and the rest of the family.

I have known people that I approach with caution. I have to gauge their current status before I know what to do. One BF's mother was so sweet when she was drunk, but a flaming b1tch when sober. I learned when to stay and when to leave, based on that alone. I imagine Caylee was just at the point in her life when she was getting wise to Casey's moods and how to react to each one to best protect herself. What an education that must have been. :crying:

[Kathlb]

Bold by me.
Excellent point. Maybe they are saving this for the trial?? Maybe the easy questions are not asked and are saved for on the spot questioning?

It was reported by media quite awhile ago that neighbors reported seeing the Anthonys cleaning that car out when they got it back. I have no media to link to since I can't remember which one I read it on, but I did read it and remember being glad that someone saw them doing it.

[*Serenity*]

I saw it yesterday sammy...in the doc dump....but I didn't write down the page #. Let me look at yesterday's thread....maybe I can find it

I started at like page 700 and ran into after that.

[need2no]

I don't have this peice of information regarding the computer store guy, what did he say about casey and Caylee? TIA!


Jim Thompson Says He Saw Caylee, Casey Anthony At Walmart

http://www.wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html


Video with Jim Thompson:

http://www.wesh.com/video/21209605/index.html

[Sun]

Jim Thompson Says He Saw Caylee, Casey Anthony At Walmart

http://www.wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html


Video with Jim Thompson:

http://www.wesh.com/video/21209605/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZFsRHpL8A

Here is a good video of that particular Walmart, I'm told.

[cuddlyrunner]

Oh no, her little hair on the duct tape :(

[KatieLady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZFsRHpL8A

Here is a good video of that particular Walmart, I'm told.

Don't know if I believe Mr. Thompson or not. But there is a push door right next to the vending machines. Don't know why he thinks she wouldn't have used that door....she could have stopped to get something out of the machines then exited that door :shrug:

[seeing_eye]

I agree with you. what is deeply bothering for me is Cindy's ability to compose a list of UNDESIRABLES with regard to the memorial. A list that is comparable to an FBI list of terrorists. THAT IS ABHORRENT BEHAVIOUR, someone who is NOT consumed by grief, rather, is consumed by HATRED and IMO, who is extremely dangerous to the community at large.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Your judgment is right on target, Pru. I've seen no grief from Cindy except for that earlier utterance to George, "We've lost Caylee!!" But I have seen rage, anger, and hatred directed towards almost everyone: protesters (some deservedly so), media, searchers, bounty hunters, LE, neighbors, relatives, FLABloggers, all fat women, and any female who is not a ten, and on and on and on! Strange that no hatred seems to be spewed toward Casey. Oh, well, JMO.

[Spots]

Your judgment is right on target, Pru. I've seen no grief from Cindy except for that earlier utterance to George, "We've lost Caylee!!" But I have seen rage, anger, and hatred directed towards almost everyone: protesters (some deservedly so), media, searchers, bounty hunters, LE, neighbors, relatives, FLABloggers, all fat women, and any female who is not a ten, and on and on and on! Strange that no hatred seems to be spewed toward Casey. Oh, well, JMO.

Well, Casey only did it once. :rolleyes:

barf

[seeing_eye]

If you read Bob Scheaffer's latest column on the case it seems to me he's saying that in the defenses latest motion asking for the DP to be taken off the table they are saying that Casey is swearing to the facts of the nanny story. If I'm reading him right by doing so the State can now question her during the motion hearing about this.

It was my understanding that Casey swore to telling LE the nanny story. IOW, she's saying it is true that she told the nanny story to LE, not that the nanny story itself is true.

[seeing_eye]

I read all the time here but I must have missed the knife part. Where does the knife come into play? Was it found in the car?

I just don't get the thought process Cindy had that her immediate response was to wash and clean up? If my car smelled of death I would be on the phone with the police to say "something is wrong please help us". Help me understand. Cindy cleaned up then did her 911 call?

No, Cindy cleaned up then went to find Casey (after going back to work).

[CelticDawn]

Hi guys, had family down for a couple of days-have we seen this latest document dump with the tattoo photos? If so, can someone tell me where to look? I've just seen on the fox news website that the tattoo photo was released (yuk)

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21249082/detail.html

ew!

[Spots]

It was my understanding that Casey swore to telling LE the nanny story. IOW, she's saying it is true that she told the nanny story to LE, not that the nanny story itself is true.

Exactly! Just a minor little nuance in that sworn statement, huh. I guess Jose doesn't think SA will notice that.

Either way, it opens the door to questioning at the hearing. Tee. Hee.

[Anakerie]

My thoughts on the Walmart doors are that it's possible that a year ago there were two sets of doors at the entrances to Walmart. One on the exterior and one inside.. Back when the Walmart was built here near me, the entrances had two sets of doors to go through to get into the store. The exterior doors which were all the automatic type and then there was the interior set of doors. The interior set of doors had one automatic set and a manual set of double doors, all glass and all heavy. Sometime in the last couple of years, our Walmart removed the interior sets of doors and installed blowers above the area the doors were originally in. To be honest, I never really made a mental note of when they made the change, but I do remember the interior set of doors because they were a pain in the rear when you were leaving with a shopping cart full of stuff.

I've seen a lot of references to this computer store fellow and have seen a lot of comments saying he's lying because of the thing about the doors. I think I believe the guy. I can't put my finger on the reason I believe him, but I do. Flame away folks...

[CelticDawn]

Oh no, her little hair on the duct tape :(

To ME that in itself is damning, but I would have felt more satisfaction if casey's DNA print hair.....anything other than just the similarities between the tape at the scene and the home could be established.

[CelticDawn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZFsRHpL8A

Here is a good video of that particular Walmart, I'm told.

I am not so sure that Mr Thompson saw who he thought he saw......I believe that he ...like so many other people is a little eager to insert himself into the case......Sensationalism tends to do that to people.

[Another Rose]

I'm just wondering if anyone here knows if - do any of Tony's roommates have blond hair? I don't think Tony's would be called blonde, nor Clint's (as I remember, his is black). I believe there was a third roommate but I don't recall seeing a picture.

The length of the hair was not specified; however, it was described as blonde/light blonde.

TIA

[seeing_eye]

My thoughts on the Walmart doors are that it's possible that a year ago there were two sets of doors at the entrances to Walmart. One on the exterior and one inside.. Back when the Walmart was built here near me, the entrances had two sets of doors to go through to get into the store. The exterior doors which were all the automatic type and then there was the interior set of doors. The interior set of doors had one automatic set and a manual set of double doors, all glass and all heavy. Sometime in the last couple of years, our Walmart removed the interior sets of doors and installed blowers above the area the doors were originally in. To be honest, I never really made a mental note of when they made the change, but I do remember the interior set of doors because they were a pain in the rear when you were leaving with a shopping cart full of stuff.

I've seen a lot of references to this computer store fellow and have seen a lot of comments saying he's lying because of the thing about the doors. I think I believe the guy. I can't put my finger on the reason I believe him, but I do. Flame away folks...

According to the computer store fellow, it was an "interior" door that Caylee was trying to open. I also heard that he told someone (not in his interview) that Walmart has since then removed those doors and they're no longer there. Can't remember where I heard that - someone's online blog, I think, so may only be a rumor.

[september]

Lord, but I remember the beatings I used to take for saying this very thing early on in the case. I got several bannings for not talking nice about the "grieving grandparents." :glare:

It all seemed so infuriatingly obvious to me from almost day 31. The Anthonys were lying and scheming from jump. They had plenty of bad history with their evil spawn of a daughter and knew what she could be capable of. They were withholding crucial information about why Casey left the house at all with Caylee. They were more concerned with themselves than with the health and safety of their little 2 year-old baby. This group, every one of them, made me sick from the very beginning of this nightmare. :angry:

Good for you for not being intimidated. I was fooled by them for the first three to four weeks. Their willingness to make money off their granddaughter's murder is ____________(dear reader you fill in the blank....words fail me.)

[Aunt]

I'm just wondering if anyone here knows if - do any of Tony's roommates have blond hair? I don't think Tony's would be called blonde, nor Clint's (as I remember, his is black). I believe there was a third roommate but I don't recall seeing a picture.

The length of the hair was not specified; however, it was described as blonde/light blonde.

TIA

Cindy Anthony has blonde hair.

[Another Rose]

According to the computer store fellow, it was an "interior" door that Caylee was trying to open. I also heard that he told someone (not in his interview) that Walmart has since then removed those doors and they're no longer there. Can't remember where I heard that - someone's online blog, I think, so may only be a rumor.


yes, but that man was also told by the walmart employees that the doors never existed. marinadedave i believe is the guy who interviewed him.

[Another Rose]

Cindy Anthony has blonde hair.

I believe the hairs described as light brown/blonde are Cindy's (the ones in the trunk)

[Aunt]

I believe the hairs described as light brown/blonde are Cindy's (the ones in the trunk)


I agree with that, and its evidence of tampering.

[Another Rose]

I agree with that, and its evidence of tampering.

That still does not explain the blonde/light blonde ones attached to the napkins/paper towels within the garbage.

[cuddlyrunner]

Is it me or is a heckuva lot of this doc dump duplicated? i feel like I'm reading the same page over and over.

[bhardy1956]

Jim Thompson Says He Saw Caylee, Casey Anthony At Walmart

http://www.wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html


Video with Jim Thompson:

http://www.wesh.com/video/21209605/index.html

Thanks! I sure wish they had her reactions and careless attitude on video. Me thinks there is enough evidence against casey anyways.

[Another Rose]

I agree with that, and its evidence of tampering.

And....maybe/maybe not, it could be somethings as simple as transfer.

[seeing_eye]

yes, but that man was also told by the walmart employees that the doors never existed. marinadedave i believe is the guy who interviewed him.

Yes, that's who I was talking about. Thanks.

[Jen]

Don't know if I believe Mr. Thompson or not. But there is a push door right next to the vending machines. Don't know why he thinks she wouldn't have used that door....she could have stopped to get something out of the machines then exited that door :shrug:

It depends on where I park at if I go thru those doors or not

[Spots]

Is it me or is a heckuva lot of this doc dump duplicated? i feel like I'm reading the same page over and over.

I think every time the samples moved, they were recorded anew.

Crime scene --> OCSO --> FBI ---> OCSO

And every time, they added their 2$ and copied the entire file all over again. And again. And again.

[Dunlurken]

Thanks! I sure wish they had her reactions and careless attitude on video. Me thinks there is enough evidence against casey anyways.

So does Thompson work at Walmart or a computer store? Can we say 15 minutes of fame? Guess we will see him on Geraldo next. :biggrin:

ETA: Said Casey came in to buy a computer Monitor. At his store. Nothing to do with Walmart, unless he was stalking Casey.

[Anakerie]

According to the computer store fellow, it was an "interior" door that Caylee was trying to open. I also heard that he told someone (not in his interview) that Walmart has since then removed those doors and they're no longer there. Can't remember where I heard that - someone's online blog, I think, so may only be a rumor.
Sounds like his Walmart did what mine did then... Rumor or not, I've been in a couple of Walmarts in the last couple of months and neither of them have the interior sets of doors, just the blowers up above..

[Aunt]

So does Thompson work at Walmart or a computer store? Can we say 15 minutes of fame? Guess we will see him on Geraldo next. :biggrin:

ETA: Said Casey came in to buy a computer Monitor. At his store. Nothing to do with Walmart, unless he was stalking Casey.

I have to disagree with your comment regarding this witnesses intentions. We will have to wait and see, there may be video to go with this sighting.

Until then, I will have an open mind.

[sammy62]

His story sounds sincere and truthful...but why wait over a year. Its not like this hasn't been highly media'd

[Anakerie]

So does Thompson work at Walmart or a computer store? Can we say 15 minutes of fame? Guess we will see him on Geraldo next. :biggrin:

ETA: Said Casey came in to buy a computer Monitor. At his store. Nothing to do with Walmart, unless he was stalking Casey.
Dunnie, the man, Thompson, owns his own computer store. The connection to Walmart is his statement that he saw Casey and Caylee at the Walmart store sometime after she'd been in his store.

[Another Rose]

the walmart employees told him that the interior doors never existed.

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/does-not-compute/

[Aunt]

That still does not explain the blonde/light blonde ones attached to the napkins/paper towels within the garbage.


The hairs on the napkins, that may show grave wax, should be tested and compared with Cindy Anthonys. imo

I have not given up on the theory that the other Anthonys are accomplisses to Caylee's murder.

[Another Rose]

I have to disagree with your comment regarding this witnesses intentions. We will have to wait and see, there may be video to go with this sighting.

Until then, I will have an open mind.

FWIW, There was a former Walmart employee on another board that worked loss prevention. His detailed explanation indicated that the digital systems at Walmart will hold video for 6 months to 1 year. An interesting tidbit was that the video is transfered to law enforcement very soon after recording.

The only real hole in his (Thompson) story is that her pings for that date do not show her in that area.

Although, the prosecutor could have evidence as they have him listed as a witness.

[Anakerie]

the walmart employees told him that the interior doors never existed.

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/does-not-compute/
Marinade Dave can be super sleuth all he wants, I suppose. The fact remains that the prosecution has put Thompson on the witness list, right? For all we know, there may be some evidence of some sort that backs up what Thompson said. Do we know for a fact that this man waited a year to talk to LE? Or did he speak to LE last year and his report is just now coming to the media's attention?

I haven't gone through much of the doc dump yet, I know a lot of you have, is his dated and signed statement in the docs that have been released? I'd like to see the date on that.

[bhardy1956]

So, has everyone seen the tattoo on casey's back? I don't hate to say it, but she has a very unattractive back! The tattoo sickens me, how can a mom tattoo "A beautiful life" knowing that her baby girl is missing! Oh, that's right, she knows she is forever gone, because she did the deed! I really can't wait for this trial to start and see her, IMO, locked away forever!

[Aunt]

FWIW, There was a former Walmart employee on another board that worked loss prevention. His detailed explanation indicated that the digital systems at Walmart will hold video for 6 months to 1 year. An interesting tidbit was that the video is transfered to law enforcement very soon after recording.

The only real hole in his (Thompson) story is that her pings for that date do not show her in that area.

Although, the prosecutor could have evidence as they have him listed as a witness.

Hey Rose, I understood that 25 minutes later a ping showed Casey was within 4 miles of that Walmart at TonE's? IIRC.

I have not seen Thompsons written statement yet.

[Another Rose]

The hairs on the napkins, that may show grave wax, should be tested and compared with Cindy Anthonys. imo

I have not given up on the theory that the other Anthonys are accomplisses to Caylee's murder.

That would be fruitless as the garbage was already disposed of in the dumpster before Cindy ever came in contact with the car. It would be almost impossible for her hair to be inside the bag prior to George/Tow Yard Guy throwing it in the dumpster. Besides, the color does not match the description of what probably is the Cindy sample. JMO

[Aunt]

So, has everyone seen the tattoo on casey's back? I don't hate to say it, but she has a very unattractive back! The tattoo sickens me, how can a mom tattoo "A beautiful life" knowing that her baby girl is missing! Oh, that's right, she knows she is forever gone, because she did the deed! I really can't wait for this trial to start and see her, IMO, locked away forever!


I was just reading Blinks blog and his theory of the tattoo being significant in that one of the 3 stars is missing a dot.
He suggests it means that Caylee did not make it to her 3rd birthday.

Check it out. Its very interesting.

[Anakerie]

So, has everyone seen the tattoo on casey's back? I don't hate to say it, but she has a very unattractive back! The tattoo sickens me, how can a mom tattoo "A beautiful life" knowing that her baby girl is missing! Oh, that's right, she knows she is forever gone, because she did the deed! I really can't wait for this trial to start and see her, IMO, locked away forever!
I've seen the pics of it and I agree with you that her back looks awful. The size of the tattoo is what surprised me.. I was expecting something much smaller!

[5boxersmom]

That still does not explain the blonde/light blonde ones attached to the napkins/paper towels within the garbage.

Amy? She had been to Tony's right?

[Another Rose]

Hey Rose, I understood that 25 minutes later a ping showed Casey was within 4 miles of that Walmart at TonE's? IIRC.

I have not seen Thompsons written statement yet.

Based on Thompson's timeline of "around lunchtime" - it would really be anyone's guess as to what time he is talking about.

[Aunt]

Based on Thompson's timeline of "around lunchtime" - it would really be anyone's guess as to what time he is talking about.


Oh ya thats right it was around lunch, thanks I forgot that.

[Another Rose]

Amy? She had been to Tony's right?

I was thinking Amy also at first but remembered that she had only been to Tony's once before taking Cindy there.

ETA - And she never said (to my knowledge) that she had been IN Tony's apartment.

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie, the man, Thompson, owns his own computer store. The connection to Walmart is his statement that he saw Casey and Caylee at the Walmart store sometime after she'd been in his store.

Thank you for clearing that up. It still makes no sense to me. The chances of him seeing them "twice" before Caylee ever went missing, just don't add up. JMO.

[cuddlyrunner]

The defence will probably say that Casey was celebrating that Caylee had made her life beautiful and it was her way of proving her love for her while the awful Zenaida had kidnapped her to teach her a lesson!

[need2no]

Hey Rose, I understood that 25 minutes later a ping showed Casey was within 4 miles of that Walmart at TonE's? IIRC.

I have not seen Thompsons written statement yet.


Here is Jim Thompson's written and sworn statement to LE:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146711.pdf

pg. 2

[shellzbi]

I agree with that, and its evidence of tampering.


I agree, the Anthony Family as a whole have been tampering and hindering this investigation since the first bond hearing. IMO.

I wonder when LE is gonna call them on all this crazy stuff?

[sammy62]

Marinade Dave can be super sleuth all he wants, I suppose. The fact remains that the prosecution has put Thompson on the witness list, right? For all we know, there may be some evidence of some sort that backs up what Thompson said. Do we know for a fact that this man waited a year to talk to LE? Or did he speak to LE last year and his report is just now coming to the media's attention?

I haven't gone through much of the doc dump yet, I know a lot of you have, is his dated and signed statement in the docs that have been released? I'd like to see the date on that.

good point anakerie. I didn't think of that

[Another Rose]

Marinade Dave can be super sleuth all he wants, I suppose. The fact remains that the prosecution has put Thompson on the witness list, right? For all we know, there may be some evidence of some sort that backs up what Thompson said. Do we know for a fact that this man waited a year to talk to LE? Or did he speak to LE last year and his report is just now coming to the media's attention?

I haven't gone through much of the doc dump yet, I know a lot of you have, is his dated and signed statement in the docs that have been released? I'd like to see the date on that.

According to his written statement he tried to report this to Maitland PD a few times but his call was never returned.

Correction: Not his written statement, the interview he gave Dave.

[Another Rose]

I agree, the Anthony Family as a whole have been tampering and hindering this investigation since the first bond hearing. IMO.

I wonder when LE is gonna call them on all this crazy stuff?

I agree with you about the Anthonys. Although the blonde hair on the napkins is not IMO evidence of Cindy tampering.

[trich]

Amy? She had been to Tony's right?

Well considering that the garbage was from TonE's apartment it could be anyone's hair.
Even a guys.
I don't see any hair in that bag of garbage significant in any way.


I am also not so sure that Thompson guy actualy saw Casey the following week after she was in his store at Wal Mart....I still think
Casey killed Caylee very early the morning of June 16 or very late
June 15th.

[Another Rose]

Well considering that the garbage was from TonE's apartment it could be anyone's hair.
Even a guys.
I don't see any hair in that bag of garbage significant in any way.


I am also not so sure that Thompson guy actualy saw Casey the following week after she was in his store at Wal Mart....I still think
Casey killed Caylee very early the morning of June 16 or very late
June 15th.

Ergo my original question, did any of Tony's roommates have blonde hair. IMO it is significant because it was attached to the napkins that had the grave wax on them contained within the garbage.

[Barbara fl.]

I've seen the pics of it and I agree with you that her back looks awful. The size of the tattoo is what surprised me.. I was expecting something much smaller!


Hi all,
Just stopped in for a minute...

I can not understand why she would even put a tattoo on that back...who would she show it to? That must have been killing her to have pictures taken.....

[Barbara fl.]

I was just reading Blinks blog and his theory of the tattoo being significant in that one of the 3 stars is missing a dot.
He suggests it means that Caylee did not make it to her 3rd birthday.

Check it out. Its very interesting.



I don't think Casey could have thought that far...I think it was just left out by accident....If Casey had asked the tattoo artists to leave out, i'm sure it would have been mentioned....

[need2no]

I don't put much stock in the fact that Jim Thompson is on the State's witness list. Being on the list does not mean he will be called to testify.

It may be the prosecution put him on the list while they do research in an effort to collaborate his story. At first brush his story is very intriguing, until you dig deeper. If they are able to collaborate his story he will likely be called to testify, if they can't, he won't be called and may be removed from the witness list at some point prior to the trial.

Look at all the questions us Anthony case followers have about his story. I don't think the prosecution will risk putting him on the stand to testify unless they have some concrete proof of his story, such as video from Walmart for example. The prosecution doesn't want to appear they have scrambled for just any 'ole evidence to tie the timeline down, or to convict casey.

[Barbara fl.]

Well considering that the garbage was from TonE's apartment it could be anyone's hair.
Even a guys.
I don't see any hair in that bag of garbage significant in any way.


I am also not so sure that Thompson guy actualy saw Casey the following week after she was in his store at Wal Mart....I still think
Casey killed Caylee very early the morning of June 16 or very late
June 15th.



I don't believe that guy either...and I doubt that the state will take him seriously...I agree with your timing as well.....

[martha]

Oh I just hate to think about Caylee and what she may have gone thru before she died.so sad. why a mother would kill her child is beond me.jmho:wub:

[Barbara fl.]

I don't put much stock in the fact that Jim Thompson is on the State's witness list. Being on the list does not mean he will be called to testify.

It may be the prosecution put him on the list while they do research in an effort to collaborate his story. At first brush his story is very intriguing, until you dig deeper. If they are able to collaborate his story he will likely be called to testify, if they can't, he won't be called and may be removed from the witness list at some point prior to the trial.

Look at all the questions us Anthony case followers have about his story. I don't think the prosecution will risk putting him on the stand to testify unless they have some concrete proof of his story, such as video from Walmart for example. The prosecution doesn't want to appear they have scrambled for just any 'ole evidence to tie the timeline down, or to convict casey.

I totally agree with you...It would make it appear that the state is pulling at straws.....He will be taken off the witness list in my opinion...

[Another Rose]

I don't put much stock in the fact that Jim Thompson is on the State's witness list. Being on the list does not mean he will be called to testify.

It may be the prosecution put him on the list while they do research in an effort to collaborate his story. At first brush his story is very intriguing, until you dig deeper. If they are able to collaborate his story he will likely be called to testify, if they can't, he won't be called and may be removed from the witness list at some point prior to the trial.

Look at all the questions us Anthony case followers have about his story. I don't think the prosecution will risk putting him on the stand to testify unless they have some concrete proof of his story, such as video from Walmart for example. The prosecution doesn't want to appear they have scrambled for just any 'ole evidence to tie the timeline down, or to convict casey.

collaborate to what exactly, or did you mean corroborate?

[Barbara fl.]

Oh I just hate to think about Caylee and what she may have gone thru before she died.so sad. why a mother would kill her child is beond me.jmho:wub:


That is something we may never know...But what I find even worse is that Caylee has absolutely no one screaming for justice for her murder....I believe that we (the public) are the only ones looking for justice....

When this case comes to the impact statements....I wonder who is going to speak for Caylee....? We are only going to hear why Casey should be spared and how she is such a loving mother....and all that s***.....but poor Caylee will have no one....

[Chardonnay]

Sorry to ask this question if it has already been discussed, but did LE ever ask Cindy if she called or went to Zanny's during the 31 days since she had Z's phone # and address? I remember her saying to someone that she gave the info to LE. I know no such info ever existed, but just wondering if LE called her on her lies.

[need2no]

I don't think Casey could have thought that far...I think it was just left out by accident....If Casey had asked the tattoo artists to leave out, i'm sure it would have been mentioned....

Sure enough, we know casey isn't much of a 'thinker', or a planner.

But.... suppose LE advised the tattoo artist, Bobby Williams, not to mention this little fact publicly. There is always the possibilty he will testify to more than he has stated in interviews. Wouldn't that be something if this were true.

I hope casey advised Mr. Williams of her selection for her next tattoo, and he will testify about this at the trial. I'm sooooo curious about what else she wanted to display on her body.

[need2no]

collaborate to what exactly, or did you mean corroborate?

oops, yes, I meant corroborate.

[Another Rose]

oops, yes, I meant corroborate.

There is a possiblilty that Walmart has transferred the video of that day to LE and that perhaps they have something from the day he claims. I could also be that LE also found the stuffed animal he gave to Caylee in the Anthony house.

I seriously doubt that the prosecutors would on a whim list this guy as a witness. Red Herring for the defense - perhaps, but why give the defense ammunition?

[Pam1569]

FWIW, There was a former Walmart employee on another board that worked loss prevention. His detailed explanation indicated that the digital systems at Walmart will hold video for 6 months to 1 year. An interesting tidbit was that the video is transfered to law enforcement very soon after recording.

The only real hole in his (Thompson) story is that her pings for that date do not show her in that area.

Although, the prosecutor could have evidence as they have him listed as a witness.

Good Evening Rose,
I am not to sure that I believe this Thompson fellow at all. IMO This might be something that the defense has got him to put out. My reasoning on this is even though it paints Ms. Anthony in a bad light it also makes the pings on her cell phone worthless. My bold is what I think the defense is going for. jmo as always

[spydernweb2006]

Isnt TonE's hair lt brown/ blonde? I seen to remember it was, but I suffer from CRS.....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[need2no]

There is a possiblilty that Walmart has transferred the video of that day to LE and that perhaps they have something from the day he claims. I could also be that LE also found the stuffed animal he gave to Caylee in the Anthony house.

I seriously doubt that the prosecutors would on a whim list this guy as a witness. Red Herring for the defense - perhaps, but why give the defense ammunition?

Anything is possible, and I do not believe the prosecutors would do this as a whim.

[need2no]

Isnt TonE's hair lt brown/ blonde? I seen to remember it was, but I suffer from CRS.....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

Here's a pic:


http://www.picupine.com/e1dfe73x

[Spots]

Here's a pic:


http://www.picupine.com/e1dfe73x

My, what a difference a year makes.

<snicker>

[Julie Dupree]

My thoughts on the Walmart doors are that it's possible that a year ago there were two sets of doors at the entrances to Walmart. One on the exterior and one inside.. Back when the Walmart was built here near me, the entrances had two sets of doors to go through to get into the store. The exterior doors which were all the automatic type and then there was the interior set of doors. The interior set of doors had one automatic set and a manual set of double doors, all glass and all heavy. Sometime in the last couple of years, our Walmart removed the interior sets of doors and installed blowers above the area the doors were originally in. To be honest, I never really made a mental note of when they made the change, but I do remember the interior set of doors because they were a pain in the rear when you were leaving with a shopping cart full of stuff.

I've seen a lot of references to this computer store fellow and have seen a lot of comments saying he's lying because of the thing about the doors. I think I believe the guy. I can't put my finger on the reason I believe him, but I do. Flame away folks...

This WalMart was remodeled about 5 years ago. It was converted from a "regular" WalMart to a super store. The doors that are in the picture have been there since that remodeling. The single door beside the vending machine is off all major entrances and seems to be one of the emergency exits if the power is off. I have been to this store many times and I have never seen anyone use this door.
This WalMart does not have another set of doors that open from the "lobby/buggy bay" into the store.
How or why Caylee would have been struggling at this store is a complete mystery.

[Another Rose]

Isnt TonE's hair lt brown/ blonde? I seen to remember it was, but I suffer from CRS.....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

The hair is described as being blonde/light blonde. I can not for the life of me come up with someone in the long list of players that has that hair color (save Amy).

It's just a curious find, one that I hope the defense would not hang their hat on - IYKWIM

[need2no]

Has anyone else here experimented with duct tape since the latest doc dump? :biggrin:

I slowly tore off a piece, (which of course was very difficult to get it initially started, and required I hold it tightly), and it looks much like the tear shown on the tape in the doc dump, though the edging is not quite as irregular; but I also don’t have any industrial strength tape. However the quicker I tore the tape, it seemed the more jagged the edge appeared as it kind of crinkled up a bit when I rapidly ripped/jerked it off.


I then tried cutting the tape with a butter knife, and to my surprise the edge looks very smooth, almost as smooth as the cut from scissors. BTW: my butter knife is rounded on the end, not pointed like casey's knife. So what do y'all think was used to cut or tear the tape?

FBI pic of tape:

http://www.picupine.com/731ef60x

[KatieLady]

According to his written statement he tried to report this to Maitland PD a few times but his call was never returned.

Correction: Not his written statement, the interview he gave Dave.

Here is the link to it

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/james-thompson-responds/

[Another Rose]

Here is the link to it

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/james-thompson-responds/

I've already read it - thank you. :)

[Dovey]

Excellent point Pru. (sorry about the non-maggot evidence yesterday).

Still no word on the id taken from Casey's wallet by LE. More evidence is out there stil being with held.

Seems we are only getting the same old lists only of evidence and not the reports.
Where is that ID from Casey's wallet and where is the guy, GI from CA interview. I wonder if he is the father of Caylee? Is that Hawkins?

[need2no]

The hair is described as being blonde/light blonde. I can not for the life of me come up with someone in the long list of players that has that hair color (save Amy).

It's just a curious find, one that I hope the defense would not hang their hat on - IYKWIM

Annie :shrug:

http://www.picupine.com/5fe9246x

[TunaMelt]

I've been writing on another thread, I don't know which one or where I was, but somebody's going to wonder what's wrong with me, writing to myself on a dead old thread...oh :blushing: well.

This is what I was writing, wherever I was:


Didn't KC spell that tatoo wrong?

This just bugs me, it has from the first: she has "la vida bella" on her back, right?

She thinks this means "the beautiful life" in what language?

Shouldn't the phrase be "la vita e bella" -- life is beautiful? I don't think there exists "la + vita + bella" as a legitimate phrase in Italian?

Also, what's "vida" and shouldn't it be "vita" or is she working two different languages here?


I'd sure hate to get a big old ugly tatoo like that drawn all over my back, and then use the wrong phrase or the wrong word.


Anyone know what language she told the tat guy, if she did -- or if it's been mentioned what KC thinks she had written back there?

Is it from a song or a movie or something. I just have to know if she's got the spelling right. LOL. If it's wrong then LOL again on KC; if it's right, it's still a god-awful looking tatoo.


:sneaky:

[Aunt]

Has anyone else here experimented with duct tape since the latest doc dump? :biggrin:

I slowly tore off a piece, (which of course was very difficult to get it initially started, and required I hold it tightly), and it looks much like the tear shown on the tape in the doc dump, though the edging is not quite as irregular; but I also don’t have any industrial strength tape. However the quicker I tore the tape, it seemed the more jagged the edge appeared as it kind of crinkled up a bit when I rapidly ripped/jerked it off.


I then tried cutting the tape with a butter knife, and to my surprise the edge looks very smooth, almost as smooth as the cut from scissors. BTW: my butter knife is rounded on the end, not pointed like casey's knife. So what do y'all think was used to cut or tear the tape?

FBI pic of tape:

http://www.picupine.com/731ef60x

Its possible she used the scissors in her house and did it there, I say that because she had Caylee dead in the trunk for at least 2.5 days, imo, probably longer.

[TunaMelt]

I just want to throw this out here, I'm curious as to your opinions.

Where do you think they were, when KC (allegedly) killed Caylee?

I still don't know.

I know she did it, but I don't know where.

Anybody here have an idea?

:huh:

[SayItAgain]

I've been writing on another thread, I don't know which one or where I was, but somebody's going to wonder what's wrong with me, writing to myself on a dead old thread...oh :blushing: well.

This is what I was writing, wherever I was:


Didn't KC spell that tatoo wrong?

This just bugs me, it has from the first: she has "la vida bella" on her back, right?

She thinks this means "the beautiful life" in what language?

Shouldn't the phrase be "la vita e bella" -- life is beautiful? I don't think there exists "la + vita + bella" as a legitimate phrase in Italian?

Also, what's "vida" and shouldn't it be "vita" or is she working two different languages here?


I'd sure hate to get a big old ugly tatoo like that drawn all over my back, and then use the wrong phrase or the wrong word.


Anyone know what language she told the tat guy, if she did -- or if it's been mentioned what KC thinks she had written back there?

Is it from a song or a movie or something. I just have to know if she's got the spelling right. LOL. If it's wrong then LOL again on KC; if it's right, it's still a god-awful looking tatoo.


:sneaky:

IIRC, she picked the tattoo she received from a book of examples at the tattoo shop. I don't think she came up with it on her own. This family is just wild for their little sayings, symbols, collections of stuff, etc. -- all borrowed from someone or somewhere else.

[SayItAgain]

I just want to throw this out here, I'm curious as to your opinions.

Where do you think they were, when KC (allegedly) killed Caylee?

I still don't know.

I know she did it, but I don't know where.

Anybody here have an idea?

:huh:

I go back and forth between the house and the car. Hopefully the state will be able to clarify that for us at trial, based on their theory of how the crime took place.

[BettyC]

I've been writing on another thread, I don't know which one or where I was, but somebody's going to wonder what's wrong with me, writing to myself on a dead old thread...oh :blushing: well.

This is what I was writing, wherever I was:


Didn't KC spell that tatoo wrong?

This just bugs me, it has from the first: she has "la vida bella" on her back, right?

She thinks this means "the beautiful life" in what language?

Shouldn't the phrase be "la vita e bella" -- life is beautiful? I don't think there exists "la + vita + bella" as a legitimate phrase in Italian?

Also, what's "vida" and shouldn't it be "vita" or is she working two different languages here?


I'd sure hate to get a big old ugly tatoo like that drawn all over my back, and then use the wrong phrase or the wrong word.


Anyone know what language she told the tat guy, if she did -- or if it's been mentioned what KC thinks she had written back there?

Is it from a song or a movie or something. I just have to know if she's got the spelling right. LOL. If it's wrong then LOL again on KC; if it's right, it's still a god-awful looking tatoo.


:sneaky:

Casey's tattoo says Bella Vita

Photo 7 - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21249082/detail.html

Lindsay Lohan has tattoos. The one tattoo consists of the words "la bella vita" which means beautiful life and is a title of one of her songs.

http://www.find-tattoo-designs.com/lindsay-lohan-tattoos.html


Casey may have copied from her. We know she didn't seem to have an original thought.

[Pruddennce]

I've been writing on another thread, I don't know which one or where I was, but somebody's going to wonder what's wrong with me, writing to myself on a dead old thread...oh :blushing: well.

This is what I was writing, wherever I was:


Didn't KC spell that tatoo wrong?

This just bugs me, it has from the first: she has "la vida bella" on her back, right?

She thinks this means "the beautiful life" in what language?

Shouldn't the phrase be "la vita e bella" -- life is beautiful? I don't think there exists "la + vita + bella" as a legitimate phrase in Italian?

Also, what's "vida" and shouldn't it be "vita" or is she working two different languages here?


I'd sure hate to get a big old ugly tatoo like that drawn all over my back, and then use the wrong phrase or the wrong word.


Anyone know what language she told the tat guy, if she did -- or if it's been mentioned what KC thinks she had written back there?

Is it from a song or a movie or something. I just have to know if she's got the spelling right. LOL. If it's wrong then LOL again on KC; if it's right, it's still a god-awful looking tatoo.


:sneaky:

tuna,

her tattoo is Bella Vita which is Italian for BEAUTIFUL LIFE.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12869141/Casey-Anthony-tattoo--BELLA-VITA

Casey A is a psychopath IMO....its all about HER LIFE as she perceives it. unemployed, dead child, no permanent lodging, she technically was a transient when she left her parents home. however, her perception of her life is a fantasy....she told many stories about herself to others, all with a different twist....whether it be about people she knew, or the bio dad, her employment, her success, etc. it was all bogus.

she was a young mother with no employment and obtained all those 'extras' by stealing from her family, then ultimately her girlfriend. I will be all ears when the tattoo people are asked, how much was the tattoo and how was it paid for. and what did she schedule for that upcoming saturday, did she pick one out and what was the cost?

she told Will Waters she was MOVING into an apt near Valencia. she stated she was moving in with a 'best friend' who also had a child and they were going to have a LIVE-IN NANNY.

that is the last story she told to the 'outside world' as to what her plans were for the future.

another lie. no child. no best friend with a child. and unemployed with no funds to live on her own, let alone share the expenses of a LIVE-IN nanny.

another lie...but there it is. :D

her parents have not quite absorbed the enormity of 'casey's world' yet. once the witnesses take the stand and deliver 'casey's stories' of how she felt about her father, her mother, etc...well, I perceive a meltdown in the gallery....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[TunaMelt]

IIRC, she picked the tattoo she received from a book of examples at the tattoo shop. I don't think she came up with it on her own. This family is just wild for their little sayings, symbols, collections of stuff, etc. -- all borrowed from someone or somewhere else.

Oh silly me.
What was I thinking.

Of course it's not original.

The woman's never had an original thought in her life, why would she start then?

It's an ugly ugly tat, though.

The guy would have to pay me to walk around with it on me.

:rolleyes:

[farrahrani]

IIRC, she picked the tattoo she received from a book of examples at the tattoo shop. I don't think she came up with it on her own. This family is just wild for their little sayings, symbols, collections of stuff, etc. -- all borrowed from someone or somewhere else.



ITA

Casey doesn't strike me as an original thinker. She probably heard of someone getting a tattoo like that, or heard one described somewhere.

[Eagleeye]

I've been writing on another thread, I don't know which one or where I was, but somebody's going to wonder what's wrong with me, writing to myself on a dead old thread...oh :blushing: well.

This is what I was writing, wherever I was:


Didn't KC spell that tatoo wrong?

This just bugs me, it has from the first: she has "la vida bella" on her back, right?

She thinks this means "the beautiful life" in what language?

Shouldn't the phrase be "la vita e bella" -- life is beautiful? I don't think there exists "la + vita + bella" as a legitimate phrase in Italian?

Also, what's "vida" and shouldn't it be "vita" or is she working two different languages here?


I'd sure hate to get a big old ugly tatoo like that drawn all over my back, and then use the wrong phrase or the wrong word.


Anyone know what language she told the tat guy, if she did -- or if it's been mentioned what KC thinks she had written back there?

Is it from a song or a movie or something. I just have to know if she's got the spelling right. LOL. If it's wrong then LOL again on KC; if it's right, it's still a god-awful looking tatoo.


:sneaky:

No Tuna, she has "La Bella Vita". Haven't you seen the many links to the tatoo? La Bella Vita in Italian means "The Beautiful Life". And yes it is an ugly tatoo. Most likely that is all she could afford after spending Amy's money. :wink:

[need2no]

I've been writing on another thread, I don't know which one or where I was, but somebody's going to wonder what's wrong with me, writing to myself on a dead old thread...oh :blushing: well.

This is what I was writing, wherever I was:


Didn't KC spell that tatoo wrong?

This just bugs me, it has from the first: she has "la vida bella" on her back, right?

She thinks this means "the beautiful life" in what language?

Shouldn't the phrase be "la vita e bella" -- life is beautiful? I don't think there exists "la + vita + bella" as a legitimate phrase in Italian?

Also, what's "vida" and shouldn't it be "vita" or is she working two different languages here?


I'd sure hate to get a big old ugly tatoo like that drawn all over my back, and then use the wrong phrase or the wrong word.


Anyone know what language she told the tat guy, if she did -- or if it's been mentioned what KC thinks she had written back there?

Is it from a song or a movie or something. I just have to know if she's got the spelling right. LOL. If it's wrong then LOL again on KC; if it's right, it's still a god-awful looking tatoo.


:sneaky:

BBM

Tuna, casey's tattoo reads Bella Vita.

http://www.picupine.com/60fa1f8x


Lindsay Lohan's third tattoo is a very intriguing quote located in a very interesting spot on her body as well. The tattoo consists of the words "la bella vita" which means beautiful life and is a title of one of her songs. The tattoo is located on the lower back region, to the right of the middle swell. This tattoo is a nice change from the heart and star tattoos for Lindsay.

http://www.find-tattoo-designs.com/lindsay-lohan-tattoos.html

You might also find this interesting about the various wording of this tat in Spanish and Italian:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080723073159AArT1na

I found this statement interesting:
Bobby Williams, also called as a witness, was the artist who gave Casey the tattoo . He told momlogic the exact piece of paper he drew the tattoo on is gone: "The detectives came and took the drawings."

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthony_jose_baez_padill.php

Drawings-I wonder if Bobby HAD the drawing for casey's future tattoo.

ETA: oops, just noted I linked the wrong pic...you may need to zoom to view the wording.

[BettyC]

No Tuna, she has "La Bella Vita". Haven't you seen the many links to the tatoo? La Bella Vita in Italian means "The Beautiful Life". And yes it is an ugly tatoo. Most likely that is all she could afford after spending Amy's money. :wink:

No "La" in her tattoo. Here it is:

http://i35.tinypic.com/2uyhtfl.jpg

[TunaMelt]

tuna,

her tattoo is Bella Vita which is Italian for BEAUTIFUL LIFE.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12869141/Casey-Anthony-tattoo--BELLA-VITA

Casey A is a psychopath IMO....its all about HER LIFE as she perceives it. unemployed, dead child, no permanent lodging, she technically was a transient when she left her parents home. however, her perception of her life is a fantasy....she told many stories about herself to others, all with a different twist....whether it be about people she knew, or the bio dad, her employment, her success, etc. it was all bogus.

she was a young mother with no employment and obtained all those 'extras' by stealing from her family, then ultimately her girlfriend. I will be all ears when the tattoo people are asked, how much was the tattoo and how was it paid for. and what did she schedule for that upcoming saturday, did she pick one out and what was the cost?

she told Will Waters she was MOVING into an apt near Valencia. she stated she was moving in with a 'best friend' who also had a child and they were going to have a LIVE-IN NANNY.

that is the last story she told to the 'outside world' as to what her plans were for the future.

another lie. no child. no best friend with a child. and unemployed with no funds to live on her own, let alone share the expenses of a LIVE-IN nanny.

another lie...but there it is. :D

her parents have not quite absorbed the enormity of 'casey's world' yet. once the witnesses take the stand and deliver 'casey's stories' of how she felt about her father, her mother, etc...well, I perceive a meltdown in the gallery....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Thank you, Pru.
I wait anxiously for the meltdown you foresee -- and that I agree will happen.

"The enormity of Casey's world" -- that's good, that really says it well -- she did create a huge world for herself, when in reality it encompassed what? a few miles around Orlando and the inside of a car, where she lived.

What a shame sociopaths can't use their incredible imaginations for something productive -- something other than murder.

thanks again, Pru,
:seeya:

[Eagleeye]

No "La" in her tattoo. Here it is:

http://i35.tinypic.com/2uyhtfl.jpg

Retraction ready!! Thanks Betty. OK "Beautiful Life" in Italian. :blushing:

[BettyC]

Retraction ready!! Thanks Betty. OK "Beautiful Life" in Italian. :blushing:

lol y/w Eageleye. How's that beautiful life doing now for her I wonder?

[TunaMelt]

BBM

Tuna, casey's tattoo reads Bella Vita.

http://www.picupine.com/60fa1f8x


Lindsay Lohan's third tattoo is a very intriguing quote located in a very interesting spot on her body as well. The tattoo consists of the words "la bella vita" which means beautiful life and is a title of one of her songs. The tattoo is located on the lower back region, to the right of the middle swell. This tattoo is a nice change from the heart and star tattoos for Lindsay.

http://www.find-tattoo-designs.com/lindsay-lohan-tattoos.html

You might also find this interesting about the various wording of this tat in Spanish and Italian:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080723073159AArT1na

I found this statement interesting:
Bobby Williams, also called as a witness, was the artist who gave Casey the tattoo . He told momlogic the exact piece of paper he drew the tattoo on is gone: "The detectives came and took the drawings."

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthony_jose_baez_padill.php

Drawings-I wonder if Bobby HAD the drawing for casey's future tattoo.

ETA: oops, just noted I linked the wrong pic...you may need to zoom to view the wording.

Interesting need2! I see I wasn't the only one thinking that it might not be right -- grammatically, anyhow. which is why I figured KC made it up, or copied it from someone, who didn't have it right.

I remember as a kid an old song my folks listened to, or it was on the radio, or something, about "la vita bella" or (vida) and
"bella vita" just sounds like someone translating directly from English to Italian. And that's not always how it works. In French it would be "la vie belle" not "la belle vie." Not "belle vie" -- I've never heard such a phrase -- in French, it would be "la vie est belle."

If KC had a brain she'd play with it, she most certainly would.
She is, without a doubt, a first-class maroon. :lol:

:w00t:

[Duke]

Yes, a dinner knife was found in the car. Cindy washed it. There is a pic of it in the doc dump from yesterday....LE wanted it examined to see if they could tell if Casey used that knife to cut the duct tape.


Thank you. I saw the pic and it was sharp. Who carries a knife in a car? Very strange and odd.

[Eagleeye]

Thank you. I saw the pic and it was sharp. Who carries a knife in a car? Very strange and odd.

She had to spread that Cheeze Whiz on her crackers with something.

[Duke]

I think Cynthia & George loved Caylee as much as it is possible for them to love anyone, since they appear to have no emotional depth whatsoever.

My own impression of their behavior is they are aware on some level they did not raise their daughter to be an upstanding citizen -- they indulged her, enabled her, made excuses for her, tolerated her -- but never did the hard work to bring a rotten child into line. I don't think they ever brought her in line primarily because they are so out of line themselves, Cindy with her superiority complex and need to keep all the family secrets under wraps, and George with his spotty employment record and "financial issues," whatever they might encompass. These were parents not living lives of integrity, so they could hardly instill integrity in their wayward daughter. imo


I could not have said it better. Great post.

[Eagleeye]

Interesting need2! I see I wasn't the only one thinking that it might not be right -- grammatically, anyhow. which is why I figured KC made it up, or copied it from someone, who didn't have it right.

I remember as a kid an old song my folks listened to, or it was on the radio, or something, about "la vita bella" or (vida) and
"bella vita" just sounds like someone translating directly from English to Italian. And that's not always how it works. In French it would be "la vie belle" not "la belle vie." Not "belle vie" -- I've never heard such a phrase -- in French, it would be "la vie est belle."

If KC had a brain she'd play with it, she most certainly would.
She is, without a doubt, a first-class maroon. :lol:

:w00t:

Tuna is this the song that your folks listened to? The vocal starts at 1:26 into the video. It is called La Vita e Bella.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWC8v-evDyQ

[Another Rose]

IIRC, she picked the tattoo she received from a book of examples at the tattoo shop. I don't think she came up with it on her own. This family is just wild for their little sayings, symbols, collections of stuff, etc. -- all borrowed from someone or somewhere else.

Not entirely on her own, per her photobucket account, she created an icon (actually 2) "la bella vita" on June 26, 2008. Simple script, one line.

I've looked through the account to see if she herself created the artwork but I came up empty.

I'm guessing that it was a colloborative effort between her and the tatoo artist.

[msgatorslayer]

I just want to throw this out here, I'm curious as to your opinions.

Where do you think they were, when KC (allegedly) killed Caylee?

I still don't know.

I know she did it, but I don't know where.

Anybody here have an idea?

:huh:

I think she killed her in the car.

I'm going with a theory that Casey stormed outta the house {neighbor says fighting was heard} It was Father's Day. Cindy spent the day with her parents. She had Caylee with her. George?? He's unaccounted for, I think. Have we heard if he was working? He didn't go to his MIL's house for chili.

Anyway, Cindy hears her Mom accuse Casey of stealing at this time. Who knows what Casey was doing all day. But she wasn't with her family on the nursing home outting.

Casey gets home later that evening to a very upset Cindy. They argue. About the stolen money, about her lies, probably about a whole lot of things. There are threats made. {Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

Now, after this fight, would Casey take Caylee to bed. Kill her in the bedroom, with Cindy home? I'm leaning towards, no, she wouldn't.

I think it got so heated that Cindy told Casey to get out, or Casey declared that she wasn't putting up with 'this' and she was leaving.

Either way, Casey left. {Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

Caylee could have been terrified and upset. Over hearing the fight between Mom and Grama. She was crying, wanting to go home, and Casey snapped. Shaking her, hitting her {happens all to often with a crying child} or, possibly having duct tape in her car and placing it on Caylee's mouth to shut her up.

Caylee either died by being beaten or duct taped.

Casey tossed her in the trunk. Not knowing what to do.

Even with Casey's puter searches months earlier, I don't think that Casey planned to kill Caylee when she did. I think it was anger that caused Caylee's murder, at that time.

Without the anger boiling in Casey, I don't think she would have killed Caylee on Monday, or Tuesday, etc. Any day after Father's Day. Over an argument that happened days earlier.

And I've never believed George's story of seeing the girls on Monday.

[Jester]

So, has everyone seen the tattoo on casey's back? I don't hate to say it, but she has a very unattractive back! The tattoo sickens me, how can a mom tattoo "A beautiful life" knowing that her baby girl is missing! Oh, that's right, she knows she is forever gone, because she did the deed! I really can't wait for this trial to start and see her, IMO, locked away forever!

I think we know what she's been doing in jail for months ... picking at her skin. That looks just awful.

[Jester]

I've been writing on another thread, I don't know which one or where I was, but somebody's going to wonder what's wrong with me, writing to myself on a dead old thread...oh :blushing: well.

This is what I was writing, wherever I was:


Didn't KC spell that tatoo wrong?

This just bugs me, it has from the first: she has "la vida bella" on her back, right?

She thinks this means "the beautiful life" in what language?

Shouldn't the phrase be "la vita e bella" -- life is beautiful? I don't think there exists "la + vita + bella" as a legitimate phrase in Italian?

Also, what's "vida" and shouldn't it be "vita" or is she working two different languages here?


I'd sure hate to get a big old ugly tatoo like that drawn all over my back, and then use the wrong phrase or the wrong word.


Anyone know what language she told the tat guy, if she did -- or if it's been mentioned what KC thinks she had written back there?

Is it from a song or a movie or something. I just have to know if she's got the spelling right. LOL. If it's wrong then LOL again on KC; if it's right, it's still a god-awful looking tatoo.


:sneaky:

Italian. Bella Vita ... I think it was her tribute to Caylee.

[Another Rose]

I think she killed her in the car.

I'm going with a theory that Casey stormed outta the house {neighbor says fighting was heard} It was Father's Day. Cindy spent the day with her parents. She had Caylee with her. George?? He's unaccounted for, I think. Have we heard if he was working? He didn't go to his MIL's house for chili.

Anyway, Cindy hears her Mom accuse Casey of stealing at this time. Who knows what Casey was doing all day. But she wasn't with her family on the nursing home outting.

Casey gets home later that evening to a very upset Cindy. They argue. About the stolen money, about her lies, probably about a whole lot of things. There are threats made. {Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

Now, after this fight, would Casey take Caylee to bed. Kill her in the bedroom, with Cindy home? I'm leaning towards, no, she wouldn't.

I think it got so heated that Cindy told Casey to get out, or Casey declared that she wasn't putting up with 'this' and she was leaving.

Either way, Casey left. {Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

Caylee could have been terrified and upset. Over hearing the fight between Mom and Grama. She was crying, wanting to go home, and Casey snapped. Shaking her, hitting her {happens all to often with a crying child} or, possibly having duct tape in her car and placing it on Caylee's mouth to shut her up.

Caylee either died by being beaten or duct taped.

Casey tossed her in the trunk. Not knowing what to do.

Even with Casey's puter searches months earlier, I don't think that Casey planned to kill Caylee when she did. I think it was anger that caused Caylee's murder, at that time.

Without the anger boiling in Casey, I don't think she would have killed Caylee on Monday, or Tuesday, etc. Any day after Father's Day. Over an argument that happened days earlier.

And I've never believed George's story of seeing the girls on Monday.

Please excuse me for this, and I in no way mean to be rude, but that is the most preposterous theory I've heard.

{Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

This has never been proven or corroborated. Unless you count hearsay from Leonard Padilla.

{Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

I think Cindy's brother has issues.

Sorry, but this is all so silly.

[need2no]

Its possible she used the scissors in her house and did it there, I say that because she had Caylee dead in the trunk for at least 2.5 days, imo, probably longer.

Sorry, just saw your post.

From the look of the ends of the duct tape I would say casey did not use scissors to cut the tape. Using scissors would produce a smooth edge. However, I am not ruling out that Caylee was killed at home. To me the tape appears to have been ripped off due to the jagged edge.
From my own experiment, rapidly tearing off the tape, (as in a fit of anger), produces a jagged edge on the tape.

[jose]

I just want to throw this out here, I'm curious as to your opinions.

Where do you think they were, when KC (allegedly) killed Caylee?

I still don't know.

I know she did it, but I don't know where.

Anybody here have an idea?

:huh:

Just my humble opinion Tuna...the 16th between 5-7pm. I think she had a movie at home date with Tone..GA nor CA would not answer their phones (phone call "flurry"), she had no where/no one to leave Caylee with, taped her up, put her in the trunk, had here "date".

[msgatorslayer]

Please excuse me for this, and I in no way mean to be rude, but that is the most preposterous theory I've heard.

{Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

This has never been proven or corroborated. Unless you count hearsay from Leonard Padilla.

{Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

I think Cindy's brother has issues.

Sorry, but this is all so silly.

You're excused.

Just giving moo. Caylee is dead. And Casey did it. IMO

What's your theory? The zanny did it?

[impartial]

I think she killed her in the car.

I'm going with a theory that Casey stormed outta the house {neighbor says fighting was heard} It was Father's Day. Cindy spent the day with her parents. She had Caylee with her. George?? He's unaccounted for, I think. Have we heard if he was working? He didn't go to his MIL's house for chili.

Anyway, Cindy hears her Mom accuse Casey of stealing at this time. Who knows what Casey was doing all day. But she wasn't with her family on the nursing home outting.

Casey gets home later that evening to a very upset Cindy. They argue. About the stolen money, about her lies, probably about a whole lot of things. There are threats made. {Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

Now, after this fight, would Casey take Caylee to bed. Kill her in the bedroom, with Cindy home? I'm leaning towards, no, she wouldn't.

I think it got so heated that Cindy told Casey to get out, or Casey declared that she wasn't putting up with 'this' and she was leaving.

Either way, Casey left. {Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

Caylee could have been terrified and upset. Over hearing the fight between Mom and Grama. She was crying, wanting to go home, and Casey snapped. Shaking her, hitting her {happens all to often with a crying child} or, possibly having duct tape in her car and placing it on Caylee's mouth to shut her up.

Caylee either died by being beaten or duct taped.

Casey tossed her in the trunk. Not knowing what to do.

Even with Casey's puter searches months earlier, I don't think that Casey planned to kill Caylee when she did. I think it was anger that caused Caylee's murder, at that time.

Without the anger boiling in Casey, I don't think she would have killed Caylee on Monday, or Tuesday, etc. Any day after Father's Day. Over an argument that happened days earlier.

And I've never believed George's story of seeing the girls on Monday.


I tend to agree Caylee's death was not premeditated. I'm still on the fence as to whether it was accidental as well.

If beaten to death, the bones would show trauma.

I read one of her friend's statement a couple of days ago (can't remember her name, CRS disease), and it was a pretty common theme amongst Casey's friends that Caylee was her priority.

Cindy controlled Casey through Caylee. I can see Casey snapping, having enough of Cindy's stronghold, and perhaps throwing Caylee into the car with Caylee's head/temple area hitting something hard. That area doesn't need much of a blow, and there would not necessarily be any blood.

I can also see Casey on the telephone while Caylee in the pool, and drowned. With Cindy as the demeaning mother she is, Casey couldn't admit to it.

I don't see premeditation. Accident or an angry outburst.

imo

PS Where are the DNA reports. They sent out a ton of things for DNA analysis, but only the hair reports are in the latest document dump that I could see.

[Another Rose]

You're excused.

Just giving moo. Caylee is dead. And Casey did it. IMO

What's your theory? The zanny did it?

Thank you for that.

Actually I wholeheartedly concur with Jose above, I believe that is the most likely scenario.

[Kathlb]

Please excuse me for this, and I in no way mean to be rude, but that is the most preposterous theory I've heard.

{Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

This has never been proven or corroborated. Unless you count hearsay from Leonard Padilla.

{Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

I think Cindy's brother has issues.

Sorry, but this is all so silly.

I'm not being rude at all either. No, no one has corroborated seeing her in the hotel parking lot walking around talking on the phone. But LE have corroborated she was on the phone for hours talking to TonE as I remember.

As for Cindy's brother, yes, he does have issues with Casey. She has been a liar and a thief for years (Cindy and Lee's admission) and the whole family knows about it. Would you believe that Cindy's own mother has issues too? She does and the issue it Casey's stealing from her and others. She said she finally had it with her and she didn't want her in her house and wanted to file charges this time. Cindy talked her out of it and she dropped it for Caylee and Cindy not for Casey.

Lee admitted the huge fight happened too, not just neighbors who heard it. And Caylee wasn't seen after that. But Casey was with TonE alone with no Caylee. I think the facts are pretty much there to see, no "issues" involved. MOO

[Duke]

Tuna is this the song that your folks listened to? The vocal starts at 1:26 into the video. It is called La Vita e Bella.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWC8v-evDyQ

Um, beautiful song. I just don't see her as the type to listen to this.

[Eagleeye]

Sorry, just saw your post.

From the look of the ends of the duct tape I would say casey did not use scissors to cut the tape. Using scissors would produce a smooth edge. However, I am not ruling out that Caylee was killed at home. To me the tape appears to have been ripped off due to the jagged edge.
From my own experiment, rapidly tearing off the tape, (as in a fit of anger), produces a jagged edge on the tape.

By the nature of the makeup of duct tape and the original intended use it was meant to be torn not cut for speed of use. Whether you do it slowly or quickly it still produces a ragged edge.

[Eagleeye]

Um, beautiful song. I just don't see her as the type to listen to this.

George is Italian and it is likely that she heard this song growing up, possibly at her grandparents. However I was responding to Tuna who said she heard the song years ago when her parents listened to it.

[need2no]

I'm not being rude at all either. No, no one has corroborated seeing her in the hotel parking lot walking around talking on the phone. But LE have corroborated she was on the phone for hours talking to TonE as I remember.

As for Cindy's brother, yes, he does have issues with Casey. She has been a liar and a thief for years (Cindy and Lee's admission) and the whole family knows about it. Would you believe that Cindy's own mother has issues too? She does and the issue it Casey's stealing from her and others. She said she finally had it with her and she didn't want her in her house and wanted to file charges this time. Cindy talked her out of it and she dropped it for Caylee and Cindy not for Casey.

Lee admitted the huge fight happened too, not just neighbors who heard it. And Caylee wasn't seen after that. But Casey was with TonE alone with no Caylee. I think the facts are pretty much there to see, no "issues" involved. MOO


Remember when Rick was posting on that other board, and so many did not believe he was really Cindy's brother as he claimed. Then he produced a picture of him and Alex. But still....many didn't believe anything he said. For instance he mentioned the Anthony's used to have cocker spaniels, George got them in a lot of debt and they lost their house in Ohio,etc....stuff like that. Others said if he was telling the truth he would go on Greta and tell his story.

Well... over the course of time we have learned that he was indeed telling the truth.

[Another Rose]

I'm not being rude at all either. No, no one has corroborated seeing her in the hotel parking lot walking around talking on the phone. But LE have corroborated she was on the phone for hours talking to TonE as I remember.

As for Cindy's brother, yes, he does have issues with Casey. She has been a liar and a thief for years (Cindy and Lee's admission) and the whole family knows about it. Would you believe that Cindy's own mother has issues too? She does and the issue it Casey's stealing from her and others. She said she finally had it with her and she didn't want her in her house and wanted to file charges this time. Cindy talked her out of it and she dropped it for Caylee and Cindy not for Casey.

Lee admitted the huge fight happened too, not just neighbors who heard it. And Caylee wasn't seen after that. But Casey was with TonE alone with no Caylee. I think the facts are pretty much there to see, no "issues" involved. MOO

I'm not at all disputing the fact that the argument happened on the 15th.

I'm unclear, are you trying to tell me that Casey was on the phone talking to Tony from the parking lot? She could have just as easily been at the home.

And this "And Caylee wasn't seen after that" is NOT a proven fact. Quite the opposite, there have been sworn statements that disagree with what you have said (if you are referring to Caylee not being seen since immediately after the fight). Are they true? I have no way of knowing, and neither do you.

[Kathlb]

Remember when Rick was posting on that other board, and so many did not believe he was really Cindy's brother as he claimed. Then he produced a picture of him and Alex. But still....many didn't believe anything he said. For instance he mentioned the Anthony's used to have cocker spaniels, George got them in a lot of debt and they lost their house in Ohio,etc....stuff like that. Others said if he was telling the truth he would go on Greta and tell his story.

Well... over the course of time we have learned that he was indeed telling the truth.

Yep, I remember it well. I felt it was really him from the start just by the facts he knew that could easily be dis-proven if it wasn't him. The whole family has known about Casey for years because Cindy spread the word. MOO

[need2no]

By the nature of the makeup of duct tape and the original intended use it was meant to be torn not cut for speed of use. Whether you do it slowly or quickly it still produces a ragged edge.


When I ripped it off slowly the edge was smoother than when I rapidly tore it off. Doing it rapidly causes the tape to crinkle which causes the edge to be more jagged.

IMO

[Kathlb]

I'm not at all disputing the fact that the argument happened on the 15th.

I'm unclear, are you trying to tell me that Casey was on the phone talking to Tony from the parking lot? She could have just as easily been at the home.

And this "And Caylee wasn't seen after that" is NOT a proven fact. Quite the opposite, there have been sworn statements that disagree with what you have said (if you are referring to Caylee not being seen since immediately after the fight). Are they true? I have no way of knowing, and neither do you.

Yes I meant she was talking to him from the parking lot of the hotel and no I can't prove that at all, but the fact that LE said she was on the phone to TonE most of the night, if someone did see her pacing around the parking lot, it can be that she was talking to him.

No, I have no way of knowing if anyone saw her after the 15th, but I don't believe George saw them for sure. Cindy was pinching and hitting his leg to let her say what was on tv and he remembered every little thing they both wore months after and I'm not buying it. As for the computer tech if that's who you're referring to, he imparts too much info on Casey's cleavage to make me comfortable with his story but especially the dates. MOO

[denjet]

I think she killed her in the car.

I'm going with a theory that Casey stormed outta the house {neighbor says fighting was heard} It was Father's Day. Cindy spent the day with her parents. She had Caylee with her. George?? He's unaccounted for, I think. Have we heard if he was working? He didn't go to his MIL's house for chili.

Anyway, Cindy hears her Mom accuse Casey of stealing at this time. Who knows what Casey was doing all day. But she wasn't with her family on the nursing home outting.

Casey gets home later that evening to a very upset Cindy. They argue. About the stolen money, about her lies, probably about a whole lot of things. There are threats made. {Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

Now, after this fight, would Casey take Caylee to bed. Kill her in the bedroom, with Cindy home? I'm leaning towards, no, she wouldn't.

I think it got so heated that Cindy told Casey to get out, or Casey declared that she wasn't putting up with 'this' and she was leaving.

Either way, Casey left. {Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

Caylee could have been terrified and upset. Over hearing the fight between Mom and Grama. She was crying, wanting to go home, and Casey snapped. Shaking her, hitting her {happens all to often with a crying child} or, possibly having duct tape in her car and placing it on Caylee's mouth to shut her up.

Caylee either died by being beaten or duct taped.

Casey tossed her in the trunk. Not knowing what to do.

Even with Casey's puter searches months earlier, I don't think that Casey planned to kill Caylee when she did. I think it was anger that caused Caylee's murder, at that time.

Without the anger boiling in Casey, I don't think she would have killed Caylee on Monday, or Tuesday, etc. Any day after Father's Day. Over an argument that happened days earlier.

And I've never believed George's story of seeing the girls on Monday.

Hi msgator!
ITA !! This is a scenario I believe is very plausible ... guess we'll have to wait and see ... :wink:

[denjet]

Please excuse me for this, and I in no way mean to be rude, but that is the most preposterous theory I've heard.

{Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

This has never been proven or corroborated. Unless you count hearsay from Leonard Padilla.

{Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

I think Cindy's brother has issues.

Sorry, but this is all so silly.
?????
Is that you Rosebud??? :tonguewag:

[Aunt]

Sorry, just saw your post.

From the look of the ends of the duct tape I would say casey did not use scissors to cut the tape. Using scissors would produce a smooth edge. However, I am not ruling out that Caylee was killed at home. To me the tape appears to have been ripped off due to the jagged edge.
From my own experiment, rapidly tearing off the tape, (as in a fit of anger), produces a jagged edge on the tape.


Thanks for your reply.

Do you think the tape looks like it was cut with the knife that she had in the car? Or could it have been cut like that just in an aggitated state with any thing? What do you think?
A flab did a test on that idea recently, hmm.

[Another Rose]

Yes I meant she was talking to him from the parking lot of the hotel and no I can't prove that at all, but the fact that LE said she was on the phone to TonE most of the night, if someone did see her pacing around the parking lot, it can be that she was talking to him.

No, I have no way of knowing if anyone saw her after the 15th, but I don't believe George saw them for sure. Cindy was pinching and hitting his leg to let her say what was on tv and he remembered every little thing they both wore months after and I'm not buying it. As for the computer tech if that's who you're referring to, he imparts too much info on Casey's cleavage to make me comfortable with his story but especially the dates. MOO

For the record, I do not put much into Mr. Thompson's statement - could be/could not be.

Of course Casey was talking to Tony all night, the phone records are indisputable. The problem I have with your statement "if someone did see her pacing around the parking lot" is that to date there has been no evidence released that says in any way shape or form that anyone saw that. The only statement that I am aware of is from Leonard P. If you have a link to the person that made this statement, please - share - as that would be one of the only ones that I have not seen.

"Cindy was pinching and hitting his leg to.." Any reason you come up with for her doing this is purely supposition. BTW - I really don't recall "hitting". A link would be beneficial.

Respectfully - JMO

[Another Rose]

?????
Is that you Rosebud??? :tonguewag:

Good One !

[Aunt]

Please excuse me for this, and I in no way mean to be rude, but that is the most preposterous theory I've heard.
{Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

This has never been proven or corroborated. Unless you count hearsay from Leonard Padilla.

{Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

I think Cindy's brother has issues.

Sorry, but this is all so silly.


I think the point is, we are open to all theories here.

[sammy62]

I think we know what she's been doing in jail for months ... picking at her skin. That looks just awful.

I looked up picking on sores...cuz I have a sore on my nose I won't leave alone. It said it is a form of self mutilation....like cutting. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Casey is doing that. Its not uncommon for someone who was abused......don't get me wrong.....I'm not giving her an ounce of leeway for killing Caylee.

[Another Rose]

I think the point is, we are open to all theories here.

OK - so if I said that aliens abducted them and returned Casey alive and Caylee dead and Casey was forced to hide her in the trunk of the car........

Are you open to that?

[sammy62]

Yes I meant she was talking to him from the parking lot of the hotel and no I can't prove that at all, but the fact that LE said she was on the phone to TonE most of the night, if someone did see her pacing around the parking lot, it can be that she was talking to him.

No, I have no way of knowing if anyone saw her after the 15th, but I don't believe George saw them for sure. Cindy was pinching and hitting his leg to let her say what was on tv and he remembered every little thing they both wore months after and I'm not buying it. As for the computer tech if that's who you're referring to, he imparts too much info on Casey's cleavage to make me comfortable with his story but especially the dates. MOO

my husband was home all day, and I couldn't tell you what he had on. I never believed George on that one.

[sammy62]

OK - so if I said that aliens abducted them and returned Casey alive and Caylee dead and Casey was forced to hide her in the trunk of the car........

Are you open to that?

well I remember when the aliens came to my house one night. :w00t: You don't have to agree with a theory. But you are welcome to your own.

[Spots]

OK - so if I said that aliens abducted them and returned Casey alive and Caylee dead and Casey was forced to hide her in the trunk of the car........

Are you open to that?

I had not heard of that theory. Do you have a link?

[Eagleeye]

I looked up picking on sores...cuz I have a sore on my nose I won't leave alone. It said it is a form of self mutilation....like cutting. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Casey is doing that. Its not uncommon for someone who was abused......don't get me wrong.....I'm not giving her an ounce of leeway for killing Caylee.

My bold, I could gone all night without you having shared that. :w00t:

[pixiejoolz]

Please excuse me for this, and I in no way mean to be rude, but that is the most preposterous theory I've heard.

{Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

This has never been proven or corroborated. Unless you count hearsay from Leonard Padilla.

{Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

I think Cindy's brother has issues.

Sorry, but this is all so silly.

I don't understand why you think that theory is preposterous, since it's one that has been talked/posted about since the early days of discussion on this case. IMO, it's perfectly plausible, at least as plausible - if not more so - than the theory that you credit.:confused:

[apothecary]

I think she died in the trunk of the car while Casey was having fun with Tone.Somehow Idon't think Cindy would have let Casey drag Caylee from the house right after the fight.She would make Casey bring Caylee home to put to bed other times and would probably not allow Casey to drag her from fer bed at night in anger.I think the flurry of phone calls were to find a baby sitter for Caylee and when she could not find anyone she was infuriated again and blamed Caylee for spoiling her fun and taped her mouth and nose and threw her in the trunk where I think Caylee died from suffocation and Casey did not even care.Just my opinion.

[denjet]

Remember when Rick was posting on that other board, and so many did not believe he was really Cindy's brother as he claimed. Then he produced a picture of him and Alex. But still....many didn't believe anything he said. For instance he mentioned the Anthony's used to have cocker spaniels, George got them in a lot of debt and they lost their house in Ohio,etc....stuff like that. Others said if he was telling the truth he would go on Greta and tell his story.

Well... over the course of time we have learned that he was indeed telling the truth.
Exactly, need! It really says something about that family for CA's own brother to point out the dysfunction and denial in her family ... very telling ...:thumbup:

[Aunt]

OK - so if I said that aliens abducted them and returned Casey alive and Caylee dead and Casey was forced to hide her in the trunk of the car........

Are you open to that?

If thats your theory, then.

Personally I think the majority of the world believes Casey killed her daughter.

:wink:

[Eagleeye]

I think the point is, we are open to all theories here.

That is all well and good, but all theories must be backed up with a reasonable hypothesis.

[Kathlb]

For the record, I do not put much into Mr. Thompson's statement - could be/could not be.

Of course Casey was talking to Tony all night, the phone records are indisputable. The problem I have with your statement "if someone did see her pacing around the parking lot" is that to date there has been no evidence released that says in any way shape or form that anyone saw that. The only statement that I am aware of is from Leonard P. If you have a link to the person that made this statement, please - share - as that would be one of the only ones that I have not seen.

"Cindy was pinching and hitting his leg to.." Any reason you come up with for her doing this is purely supposition. BTW - I really don't recall "hitting". A link would be beneficial.

Respectfully - JMO

No other person other than LP saying the parking lot of the hotel story. But a lot of LP's "stories" have come to pass. Just because LE hasn't released it doesn't mean to me it's not true. But we'll have to wait and see.

As for the hitting, I seem to remember in that video she was hitting his leg on the side....I guess you could call it a little more than "gently tapping". I will gladly admit to being wrong if someone wants to post that video and we see she just pinched and didn't tap not gently on his leg. But it seems a silly thing for us to argue over, a pinch or a hard tap. :-) We'll see on that one too.

[Another Rose]

I don't understand why you think that theory is preposterous, since it's one that has been talked/posted about since the early days of discussion on this case. IMO, it's perfectly plausible, at least as plausible - if not more so - than the theory that you credit.:confused:

Simply put, it is based on personal supposition, not evidence. I understand that theories are developed on supposition, however, they always are based on fact. I have not seen any links to support facts for this particular supposition.

[Jester]

I looked up picking on sores...cuz I have a sore on my nose I won't leave alone. It said it is a form of self mutilation....like cutting. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Casey is doing that. Its not uncommon for someone who was abused......don't get me wrong.....I'm not giving her an ounce of leeway for killing Caylee.

I feel like a bit of a voyeur saying this, but those are bloody scabs on her back ... not one, but 50 or 100 bloody scabs. It's awful to look at. It's almost like she sits in her cell with her hand stuck up the back of her shirt and picks at them all day long. In fact, it looks like none of them have a chance to heal. I hadn't thought of self-mutilation, but it's certainly one plausible mental disturbance. I have to wonder if she doesn't have other areas on her body that looks equally scabbed up.

[Another Rose]

No other person other than LP saying the parking lot of the hotel story. But a lot of LP's "stories" have come to pass. Just because LE hasn't released it doesn't mean to me it's not true. But we'll have to wait and see.

As for the hitting, I seem to remember in that video she was hitting his leg on the side....I guess you could call it a little more than "gently tapping". I will gladly admit to being wrong if someone wants to post that video and we see she just pinched and didn't tap not gently on his leg. But it seems a silly thing for us to argue over, a pinch or a hard tap. :-) We'll see on that one too.

And a lot have not. Diving in Little Econ River???

[ttcRider]

I feel like a bit of a voyeur saying this, but those are bloody scabs on her back ... not one, but 50 or 100 bloody scabs. It's awful to look at. It's almost like she sits in her cell with her hand stuck up the back of her shirt and picks at them all day long. In fact, it looks like none of them have a chance to heal. I hadn't thought of self-mutilation, but it's certainly one plausible mental disturbance. I have to wonder if she doesn't have other areas on her body that looks equally scabbed up.

They do look irritated. :laugh:

[Aunt]

That is all well and good, but all theories must be backed up with a reasonable hypothesis.

Thanks, I stand corrected. :thumbup:

But there goes her alien theory, right there. :rolleyes:

[Kathlb]

And a lot have not. Diving in Little Econ River???

Yeah, well, uh... I really wasn't going to bring that one up. :wink::biggrin:

[denjet]

OK - so if I said that aliens abducted them and returned Casey alive and Caylee dead and Casey was forced to hide her in the trunk of the car........

Are you open to that?
Well ... it seems like a stretch but Jose HAS been been all over national TV making sure to spread the word about the case and he has been asking for COV ... maybe Mars WOULD be a good place to hold the trial !! :biggrin:

[need2no]

They do look irritated. :laugh:

I checked the commissary list thinking maybe they didn't have anything available to apply to this 'condition', but they do have:

Medicated skin cream
Antifungal skin cream
Hydrocortisone cream

Lucky for her she can't really see just how bad it looks, unless it's on other parts of her body. :scared:

[Pam1569]

They do look irritated. :laugh:

Hi ttc, I agree they look irritated, but we must also take into account that she is eating all sorts of junk food plus she isn't wearing the softest of clothes now either. jmo

[Jester]

They do look irritated. :laugh:

I took the photo and popped it into photoshop, added a sharpen filter, increased the size, and ... the result

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t189/zed0101/CaseyAnthonyBack.jpg

[pixiejoolz]

Simply put, it is based on personal supposition, not evidence. I understand that theories are developed on supposition, however, they always are based on fact. I have not seen any links to support facts for this particular supposition.

I guess I missed the links that factually support the theory that Caylee was taped up and thrown in the trunk while Casey and Tony partied. And not to get too picky, but supposition and fact are entirely different, so it doesn't make sense to me to say that theories are developed on supposition but they are always based on fact. AFAIK, theories can be based on either. It's the proof that has to be based on fact. jmo

[Duke]

George is Italian and it is likely that she heard this song growing up, possibly at her grandparents. However I was responding to Tuna who said she heard the song years ago when her parents listened to it.

Eagleeye, I did not mean to intercpt conversations. I am sorry. Nothing was an insult tword you. I am Itaian.

[denjet]

Hi ttc, I agree they look irritated, but we must also take into account that she is eating all sorts of junk food plus she isn't wearing the softest of clothes now either. jmo
Hi Pam!
I was wondering if the waist shackles are causing some of that by rubbing ... it looked like she has bruising on her lower back ... the defense was trying to reduce the time she's in them, weren't they ???

[Jester]

Well ... it seems like a stretch but Jose HAS been been all over national TV making sure to spread the word about the case and he has been asking for COV ... maybe Mars WOULD be a good place to hold the trial !! :biggrin:

That's great. Mars ... maybe Saturn ... in that new ring that was discovered last week.

[Pam1569]

Hi Pam!
I was wondering if the waist shackles are causing some of that by rubbing ... it looked like she has bruising on her lower back ... the defense was trying to reduce the time she's in them, weren't they ???

Hi den, Yes they were in one of their last motions. She could be trying to bend or sit wrong when they are on. It is plausible that it maybe doing some rubbing on her skin. jmo

[need2no]

Hi Pam!
I was wondering if the waist shackles are causing some of that by rubbing ... it looked like she has bruising on her lower back ... the defense was trying to reduce the time she's in them, weren't they ???

den, I've been wondering if that was a shadow, or something else. It does look like bruising, but the shackles would mainly be on when she was standing up so I don't see how they could produce this big of an area of bruising.

Maybe I need to go back and look at the pic of her with the shackles just to see where they hit on her back.

[sammy62]

how humiliating to have to take off your shirt for the whole world. But then she bared her bottom for the world on the web

[need2no]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21249082/detail.html

Pic 4 casey in shackles.

[Another Rose]

Just my humble opinion Tuna...the 16th between 5-7pm. I think she had a movie at home date with Tone..GA nor CA would not answer their phones (phone call "flurry"), she had no where/no one to leave Caylee with, taped her up, put her in the trunk, had here "date".

This Jose's theory - not JB's theorys (as heretofore unexplained).

At least this theory can be supported by facts (video, phone calls, etc.)

But given this boards criteria for supporting facts to a hypothesis - then I'll stick with aliens.

[denjet]

That's great. Mars ... maybe Saturn ... in that new ring that was discovered last week.
Hey, I think we're on to something here ... it's all fitting together !! :lol:

[need2no]

how humiliating to have to take off your shirt for the whole world. But then she bared her bottom for the world on the web

And there's the frontal pic of her in a sports bra and panties, showing off another one of her tattoos.

[denjet]

Hi den, Yes they were in one of their last motions. She could be trying to bend or sit wrong when they are on. It is plausible that it maybe doing some rubbing on her skin. jmo
That's probably it (along with bad diet) but the rubbing could cause the irritation and if she's sitting with her back pressed against a chair or wall, the waist chains could be causing bruising .... she IS in them quite a bit ... whatever ... it sure ain't pretty ...:blink:

[Pruddennce]

Please excuse me for this, and I in no way mean to be rude, but that is the most preposterous theory I've heard.

{Reports of someone seeing her talking on her phone in a parking lot}

This has never been proven or corroborated. Unless you count hearsay from Leonard Padilla.

{Cindy's Brother says this fight happened}.

I think Cindy's brother has issues.

Sorry, but this is all so silly.

there was a witness/tip, guy with woman who saw her. its buried in the police narratives. I personally read it. would take some time to find. Lenny might have reiterated (the parrot that he is :D), but it is in the reports as a narrative.

the fight: for what its worth: to K. Belich, Lenny stated:

Kathi: “George says he saw Caylee the next day.”

Padilla: “She didn’t leave the next day like George said.”

Kathi: “Oh, you think George is lying about that?”

Padilla: “I know he is, yeah.”

Kathi: “How do you know that?”

Padilla: “Because Lee says so.”

Kathi: “What did Lee say?”

Padilla: “Lee says she left that night. She was upset and took off with the baby.”

Kathi: “Lee actually told you that and you told investigators that when you were questioned?”

Padilla: “That’s correct.”

now, link below, we have Lee LYING outright to the press about Casey and her employment and her vacation and her BONDING, oh, she works out of another company who wishes to remain nameless, but they ARE under Universal....okkkkkkkkkkkkk....and in that same sidewalk interview: a fight, awwww no. SHE WAS WORKING!

that interview was August.

why would anyone believe he is telling the truth the fight never happened?

cant have it both ways. lying about employment is pretty huge considering Casey already ADMITTED TO LE she didnt work there since 2006. Didnt Lee get the memo from the desk of Casey advising him she admitted her employment lie???? :D

starting at 7:10 Lee lying without hesitation: listen to the lies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9yjoIjG7UY&feature=related

Jesse Grund stated in his police statement: ""he knew casey had a falling out with her mother."

Re-read the emails between the siblings and the family. Let me put it this way: EVERYONE HAS ISSUES. However, rick is RIGHT ON THE MONEY when he reaches out to Cindy. He told her CAYLEE IS DEAD. and sadly, he was right.

accident? possibly, however the end result was DEATH. Cindy's mother also felt that 'something happened to Caylee' prior to her 'missing status' hitting the airwaves.

re-read those emails. Cindy is a raving psychopath. Rick and his mother are two frustrated family members who know the 'skinny' on Cindy, George and Casey: GA was merely a BOARDER there, so says grandmom. he was supposed to be 'paying his way', yet he couldnt sustain that consistently. casey was a deadbeat mom. stealing from her mother, day in, day out, according to grandmom.

the only reason C&G didnt divorce was because of monetary reasons, so says grandmom. Cindy would have had to give him half the house, she says and possibly pay him alimony. as if that was the WORSE thing that could happen to her? she never took action to have him arrested for credit card fraud. She got what she deserved. you skirt around fraud, well, his unemployment entitled him to alimony.

she would rather have GA stay there, another thief, and risk losing MORE, than taking half and keep half and live without the leech.

IMO, she would have been rid of him in a heartbeat if she pressed charges back when it occurred.

the entire family lies. to each other. to others. a couple of them are thieves.

who to believe?

the innocent people, the 'other victims' that were discovered during this investigation are the people we should be listening to. the people the anthonys accused of this crime, for starters....IMO, it will be their turn some time after this trial to face the people they wrongfully slandered with their accusations, accusations thrown about to save a thief, a liar and IMO, a murderer.

there will be justice...for Caylee and for the people who abandoned her. had the nanny address, so says Cindy, yet she never once drove there to 'inquire'?

*shaking my head*

these 3 family members lied to LE. Lee and GA threw a few negative bones at LE/FBI about Casey to distract them...*see, we arent hiding anything*....in fact, they were HIDING things. the BIG things.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Jester]

Hey, I think we're on to something here ... it's all fitting together !! :lol:

Maybe that's an alien invasion on her lower back too. Aliens have set up a colony, and Casey is expunging them ... one by one ... every day ...
I actually shudder every time I look at the photo of her back.

The poor girl ... I hope her mom will have a discussion with her about skin care.

[denjet]

den, I've been wondering if that was a shadow, or something else. It does look like bruising, but the shackles would mainly be on when she was standing up so I don't see how they could produce this big of an area of bruising.

Maybe I need to go back and look at the pic of her with the shackles just to see where they hit on her back.
Not sure but it looks pretty bad ... maybe it's just from sweating and acne and picking at it ... that would also cause bruising ... i just thought she's watched in that "room" of hers ... maybe not close enough .. who knows :shrug:

[Pam1569]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21249082/detail.html

Pic 4 casey in shackles.

Hi n2n, The shackles I notice are at her waist in the photo and the shackles are even with her elbows, but if you look at the next photo her elbows are now even with the bruises and if you notice she wears her jail pants as hip huggers. I am sure that this is why the waist shackles are causing problems for her. jmo

[Heyes]

They do look irritated. :laugh:

They do! And ick!
I think it's funny that this is one picture casey didn't want to take, no perfect smile. She must be beside herself knowing that her not so great shape and sores are all over the internet. Wonder how cindy is doing knowing her perfect 10 has sunk to a 3? Big difference from her white sunglasses and strutting days isn't it?

Hi everyone!

[Jester]

Hi n2n, The shackles I notice are at her waist in the photo and the shackles are even with her elbows, but if you look at the next photo her elbows are now even with the bruises and if you notice she wears her jail pants as hip huggers. I am sure that this is why the waist shackles are causing problems for her. jmo
I suspect those scabs are go up underneath her bra as well. The scabs go from the bottom of the bra to the top of her pants. I doubt they stop where her clothing starts.

[Jester]

They do! And ick!
I think it's funny that this is one picture casey didn't want to take, no perfect smile. She must be beside herself knowing that her not so great shape and sores are all over the internet. Wonder how cindy is doing knowing her perfect 10 has sunk to a 3? Big difference from her white sunglasses and strutting days isn't it?

Hi everyone!

I'm sure that Cindy is beside herself with that photo. The perfect 10 is gone, the beautiful daughter is gone, the habits of a very bored woman are exposed ... literally ... as ugly skin picking.

[Pam1569]

I suspect those scabs are go up underneath her bra as well. The scabs go from the bottom of the bra to the top of her pants. I doubt they stop where her clothing starts.

Hi Jester, She might be allergic to the laundry soap. But I don't think that they have special orders or dry cleaning in jail. jmo

[apothecary]

They do! And ick!
I think it's funny that this is one picture casey didn't want to take, no perfect smile. She must be beside herself knowing that her not so great shape and sores are all over the internet. Wonder how cindy is doing knowing her perfect 10 has sunk to a 3? Big difference from her white sunglasses and strutting days isn't it?

Hi everyone!
Yea..looks good on her..She does not look like a "movie star" now.

[KTBarTheDoor]

They do! And ick!
I think it's funny that this is one picture casey didn't want to take, no perfect smile. She must be beside herself knowing that her not so great shape and sores are all over the internet. Wonder how cindy is doing knowing her perfect 10 has sunk to a 3? Big difference from her white sunglasses and strutting days isn't it?

Hi everyone!

Not only that, when those pictures make it in to court room they'll no doubt be in 8x10's..:w00t:

[pixiejoolz]

there was a witness/tip, guy with woman who saw her. its buried in the police narratives. I personally read it. would take some time to find. Lenny might have reiterated (the parrot that he is :D), but it is in the reports as a narrative.

the fight: for what its worth: to K. Belich, Lenny stated:

Kathi: “George says he saw Caylee the next day.”

Padilla: “She didn’t leave the next day like George said.”

Kathi: “Oh, you think George is lying about that?”

Padilla: “I know he is, yeah.”

Kathi: “How do you know that?”

Padilla: “Because Lee says so.”

Kathi: “What did Lee say?”

Padilla: “Lee says she left that night. She was upset and took off with the baby.”

Kathi: “Lee actually told you that and you told investigators that when you were questioned?”

Padilla: “That’s correct.”

now, link below, we have Lee LYING outright to the press about Casey and her employment and her vacation and her BONDING, oh, she works out of another company who wishes to remain nameless, but they ARE under Universal....okkkkkkkkkkkkk....and in that same sidewalk interview: a fight, awwww no. SHE WAS WORKING!

that interview was August.

why would anyone believe he is telling the truth the fight never happened?

cant have it both ways. lying about employment is pretty huge considering Casey already ADMITTED TO LE she didnt work there since 2006. Didnt Lee get the memo from the desk of Casey advising him she admitted her employment lie???? :D

starting at 7:10 Lee lying without hesitation: listen to the lies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9yjoIjG7UY&feature=related

Jesse Grund stated in his police statement: ""he knew casey had a falling out with her mother."

Re-read the emails between the siblings and the family. Let me put it this way: EVERYONE HAS ISSUES. However, rick is RIGHT ON THE MONEY when he reaches out to Cindy. He told her CAYLEE IS DEAD. and sadly, he was right.

accident? possibly, however the end result was DEATH. Cindy's mother also felt that 'something happened to Caylee' prior to her 'missing status' hitting the airwaves.

re-read those emails. Cindy is a raving psychopath. Rick and his mother are two frustrated family members who know the 'skinny' on Cindy, George and Casey: GA was merely a BOARDER there, so says grandmom. he was supposed to be 'paying his way', yet he couldnt sustain that consistently. casey was a deadbeat mom. stealing from her mother, day in, day out, according to grandmom.

the only reason C&G didnt divorce was because of monetary reasons, so says grandmom. Cindy would have had to give him half the house, she says and possibly pay him alimony. as if that was the WORSE thing that could happen to her? she never took action to have him arrested for credit card fraud. She got what she deserved. you skirt around fraud, well, his unemployment entitled him to alimony.

she would rather have GA stay there, another thief, and risk losing MORE, than taking half and keep half and live without the leech.

IMO, she would have been rid of him in a heartbeat if she pressed charges back when it occurred.

the entire family lies. to each other. to others. a couple of them are thieves.

who to believe?

the innocent people, the 'other victims' that were discovered during this investigation are the people we should be listening to. the people the anthonys accused of this crime, for starters....IMO, it will be their turn some time after this trial to face the people they wrongfully slandered with their accusations, accusations thrown about to save a thief, a liar and IMO, a murderer.

there will be justice...for Caylee and for the people who abandoned her. had the nanny address, so says Cindy, yet she never once drove there to 'inquire'?

*shaking my head*

these 3 family members lied to LE. Lee and GA threw a few negative bones at LE/FBI about Casey to distract them...*see, we arent hiding anything*....in fact, they were HIDING things. the BIG things.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Thanks Pru, for providing some perspective and accuracy amidst all the complexities and contradictions in this case. :biggrin:

[Heyes]

Yea..looks good on her..She does not look like a "movie star" now.

I'm betting jose is not as enchanted with her as he once was. Too bad, so sad. I am looking forward to the day casey throws jose under the bus. Right after we hear GUILTY! lol

[Jester]

Hi Jester, She might be allergic to the laundry soap. But I don't think that they have special orders or dry cleaning in jail. jmo

That's quite possible. One of my children is allergic to soaps and detergents ... but ... she doesn't pick at it. It becomes a rash that, if you leave alone, goes over by itself. Cortisone cream works, and hydrocortisone cream is available to Casey. If she has an allergic reaction to the soap, she could wash her clothes in her sink with something that's non-irritating. She would have known about an allergy like that before going to jail and would know the solution.

I like the idea of dry cleaning in jail ... a luxury Casey may never again know.

[Heyes]

Not only that, when those pictures make it in to court room they'll no doubt be in 8x10's..:w00t:

LOL or poster size. Oh please let them be poster size. lol lol

[Jester]

Not only that, when those pictures make it in to court room they'll no doubt be in 8x10's..:w00t:

8 x 10? I think they'll be full powerpoint slide projector screen size. Casey will want to crawl under the table and not even sweet nothings whispered by her defense team will make this one go away.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Hi n2n, The shackles I notice are at her waist in the photo and the shackles are even with her elbows, but if you look at the next photo her elbows are now even with the bruises and if you notice she wears her jail pants as hip huggers. I am sure that this is why the waist shackles are causing problems for her. jmo


IMO she wears her pants there because she cant get them up any further.

[Kathlb]

8 x 10? I think they'll be full powerpoint slide projector screen size. Casey will want to crawl under the table and not even sweet nothings whispered by her defense team will make this one go away.

My Grandma always believed that you make your own Heaven or hell right here on earth. I think she's certainly right in this case. We reap what we sow and Casey's reaping right now and for a long time to come.

[KTBarTheDoor]

8 x 10? I think they'll be full powerpoint slide projector screen size. Casey will want to crawl under the table and not even sweet nothings whispered by her defense team will make this one go away.

Never thought about that..

[Pam1569]

That's quite possible. One of my children is allergic to soaps and detergents ... but ... she doesn't pick at it. It becomes a rash that, if you leave alone, goes over by itself. Cortisone cream works, and hydrocortisone cream is available to Casey. If she has an allergic reaction to the soap, she could wash her clothes in her sink with something that's non-irritating. She would have known about an allergy like that before going to jail and would know the solution.

I like the idea of dry cleaning in jail ... a luxury Casey may never again know.

Hi Jester, She might know the solution if she is, but this also might be a look how bad I am in jail look that she wants to portray also. I never know with her because I cannot even think like her. jmo

[denjet]

Thanks Pru, for providing some perspective and accuracy amidst all the complexities and contradictions in this case. :biggrin:
Ditto!! Pru certainly knows her stuff ... thanks for posting Pru! :smile:

[Jester]

My Grandma always believed that you make your own Heaven or hell right here on earth. I think she's certainly right in this case. We reap what we sow and Casey's reaping right now and for a long time to come.
So true. She is, step by step, being reduced from her mother's 10 to the groveling, nasty, wicked, murderous, monster that she is, complete with the ugliness on the outside as well as the inside.

I have a theory about people, and how their faces change as they age. Even as 20 year olds, people's faces are relatively symmetrical. As they age, there becomes some asymmetry. As 20 year olds, people are usually pretty good at hiding their true thoughts (like Casey convincing Amy that she woke up in the middle of the night and hid her own money). As people age, their true thoughts become written on their faces. I would say that Casey is in the first stages of the inner ugliness emerging in a very ugly outer way.

[need2no]

Hi n2n, The shackles I notice are at her waist in the photo and the shackles are even with her elbows, but if you look at the next photo her elbows are now even with the bruises and if you notice she wears her jail pants as hip huggers. I am sure that this is why the waist shackles are causing problems for her. jmo

Right you are. Thanks Pam.

Geez, I wonder if this happens to all the inmates, or casey just has sensitive skin and bruises easily.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Hi n2n, The shackles I notice are at her waist in the photo and the shackles are even with her elbows, but if you look at the next photo her elbows are now even with the bruises and if you notice she wears her jail pants as hip huggers. I am sure that this is why the waist shackles are causing problems for her. jmo

IMO those are not bruises. As far as the shackles goes she's only in when being moved. she's in her own private cell no need to be shackled all day.. IMO that is not from shackles.

[need2no]

8 x 10? I think they'll be full powerpoint slide projector screen size. Casey will want to crawl under the table and not even sweet nothings whispered by her defense team will make this one go away.

Imagine TonE being in court that day. :w00t:

[Jester]

Hi Jester, She might know the solution if she is, but this also might be a look how bad I am in jail look that she wants to portray also. I never know with her because I cannot even think like her. jmo

Good point. This could spark a new protest from lawyer and family that she is mistreated, but I doubt it would go very far. I wouldn't put it past Casey to create the irritation a manipulation tactic, but if it's the soap, she should buy the hydrocortisone cream, if it's the shackles, she shouldn't pull and rub them so much. Problem solved.

[Jester]

IMO those are not bruises. As far as the shackles goes she's only in when being moved. she's in her own private cell no need to be shackled all day.. IMO that is not from shackles.

I lightened the image I put into photoshop, and there do not appear to be bruises. Not only is she only in shackles to be moved to the shower, back out, for a walk, back in, to court, but no one is rubbing them on her body but her.

[Jester]

Imagine TonE being in court that day. :w00t:

He's probably staying as far away from this case as possible, but someone will probably tell him.

[denjet]

On the topic of the tattoo ... did you notice there's a dot missing from the left top star? Some theories have been discussed over on BlinkOnCrime:

"Could Casey’s tattoo yield clues into the disappearance of Caylee Marie Anthony as long suspected?

Casey told Lee Anthony her tattoo was “Caylee related” during a jail house visit, although she stated there were no further clues associated with it. She chose the stars because Caylee loved the stars. JoJo would hold her up outside to show them to her at night.

However, comparing the image of her actual tattoo, and that of the Art it was based on uncovered during an interview with On the Record Host, Greta Van Sustern, there is a discrepancy.

The tat on Casey Anthony’s left shoulder is missing a “dot” in the Northern most star of the design. What could that mean?

Was she paying tribute to 34 month old Caylee Marie, who did not make it to her 3rd birthday at her hand, by filling in only 2?

Was she honing her “script” whereby the missing “dot” in the star is some sort of validation of the timer 55 theory, or that Caylee would be home by her birthday so she could “connect the dot” in celebration?

One thing is certain, although she was in custody on and off for nearly a year, OCSO only imaged that tattoo a few weeks ago, why?

What did they recently learn?"

DISCLAIMER: Please don't shoot the messanger, it just made me think when I read it ... just sharing it here ... Thanks

ETA: We still haven't seen a transcript of Billie Joe Williams the tattoo guy that did her tattoo ... I have only one question for him ... why did KC tell him to do the tattoo that way?

[Ellie]

And there's the frontal pic of her in a sports bra and panties, showing off another one of her tattoos.

Hey all, happy Saturday night.

I never saw these 'questionable' pictures, I assume these were the ones that upset George so much that he got sick during one of his police interviews? Anyone have a link or know where I can find the pictures?

[KTBarTheDoor]

I checked the commissary list thinking maybe they didn't have anything available to apply to this 'condition', but they do have:

Medicated skin cream
Antifungal skin cream
Hydrocortisone cream

Lucky for her she can't really see just how bad it looks, unless it's on other parts of her body. :scared:

Her money is probably ear marked for pork rinds, bottle water, pop tarts, etc.. for more important things then hydrocortisone cream, antifungal or medicated skin cream., :shrug:

[Eagleeye]

Not only that, when those pictures make it in to court room they'll no doubt be in 8x10's..:w00t:

Oh, come on now. You all know or should know that those pictures will never make into the courtroom. For what purpose would they serve other than to be inflammatory to the defendant and that will not happen? What her back looks like has no relevance in court. I am not defending her but enough is enough of the crude a$$ed comments about her back. Some of you have no shame and I would hesitate to think that some of you would want a picture of your backside on this thread. Heaven forbid.

[panokatana]

Didn't Lee have some sort of major skin problem, too? A sever acne condition? Perhaps Casey had this under control with medication at one time... and I imagine if she has sensitive skin, she isn't provided with sensitive skin detergents, soaps, etc. From her earlier show off pics, she didn't appear to have this problem then. I like to think of this as "Nature's Revenge"... the ONE thing she thought she would have forever...her looks (in her OWN mind)...well, seems as if she's beginning to ROT! IMO