10/9 - 10/11

[desmom]

Thank you CW!

[Lucy]

Thank you desmom for starting new thread, and thanks CW for giving us this forum.

[clueless]

I was reading a link. Ms. Duncan from Florida didn't arrive in Beason until 9/25. The murders occurred on 9/21. Yet she provided an alibi for Chris Harris. Curious what alibi she provided for him.
I'm confused.:confused:

That was my question WHEN did she arrive? Answered LE questions on 9/25. I have another question re: another post. Was the store that Chris went to the same store that Rick and the kids went?
I had always thought he went to Lincoln. Maybe not. Could an encouter have taken place??

[JoAnn]

[QUOTE=clueless;13545846]That was my question WHEN did she arrive? Answered LE questions on 9/25. I have another question re: another post. Was the store that Chris went to the same store that Rick and the kids went?
I had always thought he went to Lincoln. Maybe not. Could an encouter have taken place??[/QUOTE

---
You know I am not positive that it was ever substantiated that Rick had any of the kids with him when he went to the store...?? anyone know? I recall reading that he went to the store and I recall someone saying that they had seen Rick and some of the kids that evening, but not necessarily together at the store...or did I miss a posting or something on that?

You have a interesting point about the store though, and could they have encountered each other at the store?

But...I had honestly thought when it was mentioned that Chris only left his brothers house once that night to go to the store, that they had made that up in case anyone had seen the truck out and about, I never considered that he really did go to the store..hmmm

[JoAnn]

That was my question WHEN did she arrive? Answered LE questions on 9/25.

yes..did she fly or drive up here at her daughters request or was she here for a visit before the murders and it was just a coincidence..but what kind of mother would LIE for a daughters boyfriend and his brother in a multiple murder investigation..that is something to think about in itself.

Now that I have said that...maybe I should ask for clarification..did the LE say that the MOM had lied about the alibi too or just the daughter?

[clueless]

[QUOTE=clueless;13545846]That was my question WHEN did she arrive? Answered LE questions on 9/25. I have another question re: another post. Was the store that Chris went to the same store that Rick and the kids went?
I had always thought he went to Lincoln. Maybe not. Could an encouter have taken place??[/QUOTE

---
You know I am not positive that it was ever substantiated that Rick had any of the kids with him when he went to the store...?? anyone know? I recall reading that he went to the store and I recall someone saying that they had seen Rick and some of the kids that evening, but not necessarily together at the store...or did I miss a posting or something on that?

You have a interesting point about the store though, and could they have encountered each other at the store?

But...I had honestly thought when it was mentioned that Chris only left his brothers house once that night to go to the store, that they had made that up in case anyone had seen the truck out and about, I never considered that he really did go to the store..hmmm

I would have to go back thru the posts, but I'm sure there have more than one regarding Rick & kids seen at a store. Could be if the brother lied. An article in the Pantagraph was quoting him. Did you read somewhere that was just bogus? I'll do some searching? :confused:

[m3t00]

I was reading a link. Ms. Duncan from Florida didn't arrive in Beason until 9/25. The murders occurred on 9/21. Yet she provided an alibi for Chris Harris. Curious what alibi she provided for him.
I'm confused.:confused:

http://pantagraph.com/news/local/art...cc4c002e0.html

From the article: "On Sept. 25 -- four days after the bodies were found -- Duncan, 43, of Sarasota, Fla., was in Illinois and allegedly gave two state police special agents a false alibi for Chris Harris, the brother of her daughter's fiancee. (Her daughter is accused of doing the same on the same day.)"

If that is what you read, read it again. Doesn't say she arrived that day.

From the same article Dale Earnest, Duncan's Ex, says, "Sara's always been a very mild-mannered person," Earnest said. "She's never been in trouble. I'm not too sure she's even had a speeding ticket."

I think the Harris boys may have climbed out a window the night of the murders. I just don't see how else this woman would stick to her story for them. Duncan needs to be very clear about what she _actually_ remembers and not what she thought happened. Her daughter may have been tricked also.

Who knows?

[desmom]

Links thread is locked. I sent a pm to CW asking it be unlocked. Here is the list of links I have from the Pantagraph:

9/21/09 -
Sheriff: Multiple deaths at Beason home
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_74bc59b4-a865-11de-b246-001cc4c03286.html

9/22/09 -
Beason slayings: Manhunt is on after family slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_14b710c8-a70b-11de-9beb-001cc4c03286.html

9/23/09 -
Tip line set up as police search for pickup truck
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Search crews work long days in Beason
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_9d0534e4-a8ac-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

Press Conference: Gee family murder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37lfMF9qmsM&feature=channel_page

9/24/09 -
Police: Family died of blunt force trauma; survivor critically injured
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8d2d9d84-a917-11de-8ea0-001cc4c03286.html

Slayings leave behind young survivor, disabled sister
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e0ac272a-a942-11de-b93f-001cc4c03286.html

Stepfather: Discovery of bodies 'burned in the back of my eyeballs'
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2ae0c5b6-a949-11de-85a1-001cc4c03286.html

Police: Family died from blunt force trauma
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_9d652456-a97b-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Beason slayings timeline
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_fca25676-a97d-11de-b789-001cc4c002e0.html

Gee family murder press conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5McQJK0h5g&feature=channel_page

9/25/09 -
Funeral services set for slain family
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_79abf9de-aa04-11de-9681-001cc4c03286.html

Beason case a reminder that many Central Illinois crimes still unsolved
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_c45e1bea-aa3d-11de-a83f-001cc4c002e0.html

9/26/09 -
Attacker possibly wounded in struggle during Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e61c11fa-a9f8-11de-b179-001cc4c03286.html

9/28/09 –
Hundreds remember slain Beason family at funeral
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7816a526-ac28-11de-8324-001cc4c002e0.html

Poem: ‘Memories of the Innocents’
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_f8c091f4-ac6a-11de-8dda-001cc4c002e0.html

9/29/09 –
Brutal killings thrust sheriff into the spotlight
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_f1115b12-ad25-11de-9864-001cc4c002e0.html

Experts: Exhaust stacks on truck ‘stupid,’ oddly placed
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8ad5f1fc-ad28-11de-8616-001cc4c002e0.html

Authorities offer no new information in Beason case
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_aa43ef2a-ad47-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

9/30/09 -
Update on Beason slayings expected this week
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7c00c9e6-ae17-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

10/01/09 –
Agencies receive more than 500 tips in Beason investigation
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_033c94cc-aeb2-11de-abb6-001cc4c03286.html

Woman who sold suspect truck says he's innocent
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_4dc938e8-aee8-11de-b63d-001cc4c03286.html

Family: Sole survivor of attacks responsive at hospital
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_86fc32a0-aeed-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html

Sister thankful for chance to reconnect before slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_b0ea8b8c-aeef-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html

Press Conference: Beason murder arrest announced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoCCoIc58LA&feature=channel_page

10/02/09 –
Beason pastor: Arrest will 'calm a lot of fears'
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_77a2cdc4-af0a-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html

Court records, online posts bring Beason suspect into focus
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_de75d830-af59-11de-8998-001cc4c002e0.html

Harris' former boss: He was a quiet man
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_c1514238-afbf-11de-9b37-001cc4c03286.html

Ex-husband charged with first-degree murder
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_c327bdb0-af99-11de-8ea0-001cc4c002e0.html

10/05/09
Parents, ex-wife defend Beason slayings suspect
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_46c888ca-b1c5-11de-8784-001cc4c002e0.html

Security concerns bring Beason suspect to McLean County
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_5bc0b342-b1f7-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Questions multiply after ex-husband's arrest in Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_5c75926a-b1e5-11de-b230-001cc4c002e0.html

10/06/09 –
Beason suspect's defense seeks resources to 'level playing field'
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_6f38ace4-b2bb-11de-a45f-001cc4c002e0.html

10/07/09 -
3 accused of obstructing justice
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_454df094-b34f-11de-a81a-001cc4c002e0.html

Lone Beason survivor in fair condition in DCFS custody
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_4889c430-b3b4-11de-b059-001cc4c03286.html

Press Conference: Three more arrests in Beason murder case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNw9YnxEWc&feature=channel_page

10/08/09 –
Obstructing justice law targets evidence, lying, fleeing the state
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e3848728-b430-11de-bb76-001cc4c002e0.html

Suspect went from brother's defender to alleged accomplice
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7392e1a6-b41e-11de-827b-001cc4c002e0.html

10/09/09 –
Police have ID'd motive, don't expect any more arrests
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_681d0030-b47e-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Key players in Beason slayings have ties to Florida
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_1432b060-b4ff-11de-a5f9-001cc4c002e0.html

[clueless]

yes..did she fly or drive up here at her daughters request or was she here for a visit before the murders and it was just a coincidence..but what kind of mother would LIE for a daughters boyfriend and his brother in a multiple murder investigation..that is something to think about in itself.

Now that I have said that...maybe I should ask for clarification..did the LE say that the MOM had lied about the alibi too or just the daughter?

I not sure if they gave the reason for mom's cover up, just the daughter I thought.

[clueless]

Links thread is locked. I sent a pm to CW asking it be unlocked. Here is the list of links I have from the Pantagraph:

9/21/09 -
Sheriff: Multiple deaths at Beason home
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_74bc59b4-a865-11de-b246-001cc4c03286.html

9/22/09 -
Beason slayings: Manhunt is on after family slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_14b710c8-a70b-11de-9beb-001cc4c03286.html

9/23/09 -
Tip line set up as police search for pickup truck
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Search crews work long days in Beason
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_9d0534e4-a8ac-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

Press Conference: Gee family murder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37lfMF9qmsM&feature=channel_page

9/24/09 -
Police: Family died of blunt force trauma; survivor critically injured
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8d2d9d84-a917-11de-8ea0-001cc4c03286.html

Slayings leave behind young survivor, disabled sister
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e0ac272a-a942-11de-b93f-001cc4c03286.html

Stepfather: Discovery of bodies 'burned in the back of my eyeballs'
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2ae0c5b6-a949-11de-85a1-001cc4c03286.html

Police: Family died from blunt force trauma
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_9d652456-a97b-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Beason slayings timeline
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_fca25676-a97d-11de-b789-001cc4c002e0.html

Gee family murder press conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5McQJK0h5g&feature=channel_page

9/25/09 -
Funeral services set for slain family
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_79abf9de-aa04-11de-9681-001cc4c03286.html

Beason case a reminder that many Central Illinois crimes still unsolved
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_c45e1bea-aa3d-11de-a83f-001cc4c002e0.html

9/26/09 -
Attacker possibly wounded in struggle during Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e61c11fa-a9f8-11de-b179-001cc4c03286.html

9/28/09 –
Hundreds remember slain Beason family at funeral
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7816a526-ac28-11de-8324-001cc4c002e0.html

Poem: ‘Memories of the Innocents’
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_f8c091f4-ac6a-11de-8dda-001cc4c002e0.html

9/29/09 –
Brutal killings thrust sheriff into the spotlight
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_f1115b12-ad25-11de-9864-001cc4c002e0.html

Experts: Exhaust stacks on truck ‘stupid,’ oddly placed
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8ad5f1fc-ad28-11de-8616-001cc4c002e0.html

Authorities offer no new information in Beason case
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_aa43ef2a-ad47-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

9/30/09 -
Update on Beason slayings expected this week
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7c00c9e6-ae17-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

10/01/09 –
Agencies receive more than 500 tips in Beason investigation
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_033c94cc-aeb2-11de-abb6-001cc4c03286.html

Woman who sold suspect truck says he's innocent
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_4dc938e8-aee8-11de-b63d-001cc4c03286.html

Family: Sole survivor of attacks responsive at hospital
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_86fc32a0-aeed-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html

Sister thankful for chance to reconnect before slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_b0ea8b8c-aeef-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html

Press Conference: Beason murder arrest announced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoCCoIc58LA&feature=channel_page

10/02/09 –
Beason pastor: Arrest will 'calm a lot of fears'
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_77a2cdc4-af0a-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html

Court records, online posts bring Beason suspect into focus
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_de75d830-af59-11de-8998-001cc4c002e0.html

Harris' former boss: He was a quiet man
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_c1514238-afbf-11de-9b37-001cc4c03286.html

Ex-husband charged with first-degree murder
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_c327bdb0-af99-11de-8ea0-001cc4c002e0.html

10/05/09
Parents, ex-wife defend Beason slayings suspect
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_46c888ca-b1c5-11de-8784-001cc4c002e0.html

Security concerns bring Beason suspect to McLean County
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_5bc0b342-b1f7-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Questions multiply after ex-husband's arrest in Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_5c75926a-b1e5-11de-b230-001cc4c002e0.html

10/06/09 –
Beason suspect's defense seeks resources to 'level playing field'
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_6f38ace4-b2bb-11de-a45f-001cc4c002e0.html

10/07/09 -
3 accused of obstructing justice
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_454df094-b34f-11de-a81a-001cc4c002e0.html

Lone Beason survivor in fair condition in DCFS custody
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_4889c430-b3b4-11de-b059-001cc4c03286.html

Press Conference: Three more arrests in Beason murder case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNw9YnxEWc&feature=channel_page

10/08/09 –
Obstructing justice law targets evidence, lying, fleeing the state
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e3848728-b430-11de-bb76-001cc4c002e0.html

Suspect went from brother's defender to alleged accomplice
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_7392e1a6-b41e-11de-827b-001cc4c002e0.html

10/09/09 –
Police have ID'd motive, don't expect any more arrests
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_681d0030-b47e-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Key players in Beason slayings have ties to Florida
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_1432b060-b4ff-11de-a5f9-001cc4c002e0.html

Thanks DESMOM. You do a great job of taking care of us. :smile::thumbsup:

[clueless]

I not sure if they gave the reason for mom's cover up, just the daughter I thought.

This was from Fox2:The Harris brothers are being held in separate Illinois jails, both without bond. Meanwhile Jason Harris' girlfriend and her mother are both facing obstruction of justice charges for trying to provide a false alibi.

[desmom]

So many people have been impacted by these vicious murders:

The family and friends of Rick, Ruth, Justina, Dillen and Austin.

Tabitha has lost her parents, 3 siblings and will probably have a long healing process. I pray she does not remember anything about the attacks.

Jessica Gee may wonder why her parents and siblings do not visit.

The Harris family has two sons, Chris and Jason, in jail.

Jason's girlfriend, Jennifer Earnest, and her mother, Sara Duncan, are in jail.

I believe it was reported Jason and Jennifer have an 18 month old child. The baby's parents are in jail.

Nicole Gee has lost her father, step-mother, 3 siblings and not allowed to see her little sister.

Nicole and Chris' children have lost their grandparents, 3 cousins and their father is in jail.

I am sure I have forgot someone and I apologize.

:rose:

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://pantagraph.com/news/local/art...cc4c002e0.html

From the article: "On Sept. 25 -- four days after the bodies were found -- Duncan, 43, of Sarasota, Fla., was in Illinois and allegedly gave two state police special agents a false alibi for Chris Harris, the brother of her daughter's fiancee. (Her daughter is accused of doing the same on the same day.)"

If that is what you read, read it again. Doesn't say she arrived that day.

From the same article Dale Earnest, Duncan's Ex, says, "Sara's always been a very mild-mannered person," Earnest said. "She's never been in trouble. I'm not too sure she's even had a speeding ticket."

I think the Harris boys may have climbed out a window the night of the murders. I just don't see how else this woman would stick to her story for them. Duncan needs to be very clear about what she _actually_ remembers and not what she thought happened. Her daughter may have been tricked also.

Who knows?

Well..... I think I might have on rosy glasses regarding Sara and Jennifer. But I thought of a couple "what-ifs"

What if they only knew the guys were "out" but didn't think they were murderers...

For example,
"We are going hunting for a deer but it isn't the right season, so don't tell, we'll get in trouble. The blood on my shoes is deer blood, we took it to a guy to butcher it up for us..."

"We got into a fight with some guys, blah, blah and ran them off the road..."

Something like that.

They'd probably never think these brothers were capable of murders. Most of the town did not believe it. Some still think it's a huge Nichols conspiracy to solve it fast.

Once the lie was out, they couldn't put it back in.

All this is dependent on the guys changing their clothes elsewhere, maybe even at the Gee home.

[JoAnn]

[QUOTE=JoAnn;13545882]

I would have to go back thru the posts, but I'm sure there have more than one regarding Rick & kids seen at a store. Could be if the brother lied. An article in the Pantagraph was quoting him. Did you read somewhere that was just bogus? I'll do some searching? :confused:
--
maybe it is just me..but the first time I read it on here in a post, I remember thinking that I had not read anything in a press release or in the paper saying they Rick was actually seen at the store with kids...I only recall reading that Rick went to the store sunday night..and that the kids were also seen in the evening...that was way back in the beginning, right after it happened. I might have simply missed a post or a link and I suppose it is of no significance now anyway..it wont bring anyone back and the murderers have been arrested so it is probably of little importance anyway.

[JoAnn]

So many people have been impacted by these vicious murders:

The family and friends of Rick, Ruth, Justina, Dillen and Austin.

Tabitha has lost her parents, 3 siblings and will probably have a long healing process. I pray she does not remember anything about the attacks.

Jessica Gee may wonder why her parents and siblings do not visit.

The Harris family has two sons, Chris and Jason, in jail.

Jason's girlfriend, Jennifer Earnest, and her mother, Sara Duncan, are in jail.

I believe it was reported Jason and Jennifer have an 18 month old child. The baby's parents are in jail.

Nicole Gee has lost her father, step-mother, 3 siblings and not allowed to see her little sister.

Nicole and Chris' children have lost their grandparents, 3 cousins and their father is in jail.

I am sure I have forgot someone and I apologize.

:rose:

--
Two sets of families devastated...the remaining Gee family and the remaining Harris family, and out of that there is a trickle effect that touches lives that we have no knowledge of...how sad.

[JoAnn]

[QUOTE=AmndaRcknwth

All this is dependent on the guys changing their clothes elsewhere, maybe even at the Gee home.[/QUOTE]

---
IMO:

So where would two adult brothers GO to shower and clean up and ditch clothes...did they clean up at the Gees home? where is the clothes, buried or burnt somewhere? Where would they go to clean up and not arouse suspicion..did they hose themselves off with a garden hose.

If they went back to Jason's...they would have to have been in a state of excitement..on heightened alert..or nervous and fearful...how could anyone else in that household not be aware that something had happened unless maybe they did not go back there at all and Jennnifer and her mom did not see them till the next day,I suppose that could be possible ? I wonder how big the house or apartment is that Jason and Jennifer shared? She has a child...and if her mom was already there visiting when the incident occurred, and if Chris was staying there..seems like two guys coming in in the middle of the night would cause a commotion, unless they crept out after mom and Jennifer were asleep.

[GentleBreeze]

[QUOTE=JoAnn
--
maybe it is just me..but the first time I read it on here in a post, I remember thinking that I had not read anything in a press release or in the paper saying they Rick was actually seen at the store with kids...I only recall reading that Rick went to the store sunday night..and that the kids were also seen in the evening...that was way back in the beginning, right after it happened. I might have simply missed a post or a link and I suppose it is of no significance now anyway..it wont bring anyone back and the murderers have been arrested so it is probably of little importance anyway.[/QUOTE]

I read that Rick was seen at a grocery store and the two oldest children were seen at church, iirc.

It may have importance though if they have surveillance tape of Rick in the store and have found that either one of the suspects were there or seen in the parking lot at that time.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

The question I have though is why did Jennifer and her mother think Christopher Harris needed a false alibi in the first place?:confused:

imo

[clueless]

[QUOTE=clueless;13545846]That was my question WHEN did she arrive? Answered LE questions on 9/25. I have another question re: another post. Was the store that Chris went to the same store that Rick and the kids went?
I had always thought he went to Lincoln. Maybe not. Could an encouter have taken place??[/QUOTE

---
You know I am not positive that it was ever substantiated that Rick had any of the kids with him when he went to the store...?? anyone know? I recall reading that he went to the store and I recall someone saying that they had seen Rick and some of the kids that evening, but not necessarily together at the store...or did I miss a posting or something on that?

You have a interesting point about the store though, and could they have encountered each other at the store?

But...I had honestly thought when it was mentioned that Chris only left his brothers house once that night to go to the store, that they had made that up in case anyone had seen the truck out and about, I never considered that he really did go to the store..hmmm

JoAnn, This is all I could find at this time-the other thread is closed as of yet. This was my post to KittyMom's ?.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyMom
Does anyone recall what time Rick was at the store? Which kids went with him?

Hi Kittymom, This has been bothering me also. Trying to realize a time line here. If any info is wrong, first, I'm sorry. Second, please correct me.

Sunday-
Someone says there was an argument and saw a man with a child. (Chiris & 9 yr old??)
Sunday- Rick goes shopping with kids. How many of them went-we don't know. Was it normal for him to take them with him? Or was he afraid that person would return and might harm them?

Sunday night or Monday---murders occur.

[AmndaRcknwth]

IMO:

So where would two adult brothers GO to shower and clean up and ditch clothes...did they clean up at the Gees home? where is the clothes, buried or burnt somewhere? Where would they go to clean up and not arouse suspicion..did they hose themselves off with a garden hose.

If they went back to Jason's...they would have to have been in a state of excitement..on heightened alert..or nervous and fearful...how could anyone else in that household not be aware that something had happened unless maybe they did not go back there at all and Jennnifer and her mom did not see them till the next day,I suppose that could be possible ? I wonder how big the house or apartment is that Jason and Jennifer shared? She has a child...and if her mom was already there visiting when the incident occurred, and if Chris was staying there..seems like two guys coming in in the middle of the night would cause a commotion, unless they crept out after mom and Jennifer were asleep.

Jason/Jen's home:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/J-JhomeArmington.jpg

Jennifer and Jason both work at a nearby Caseys. (like a Quickstop gas/grocery) Hopefully the cops looked in the dumpster there and elsewhere.

For newcomers to the case, saved pics:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/

[clueless]

---
IMO:

So where would two adult brothers GO to shower and clean up and ditch clothes...did they clean up at the Gees home? where is the clothes, buried or burnt somewhere? Where would they go to clean up and not arouse suspicion..did they hose themselves off with a garden hose.

If they went back to Jason's...they would have to have been in a state of excitement..on heightened alert..or nervous and fearful...how could anyone else in that household not be aware that something had happened unless maybe they did not go back there at all and Jennnifer and her mom did not see them till the next day,I suppose that could be possible ? I wonder how big the house or apartment is that Jason and Jennifer shared? She has a child...and if her mom was already there visiting when the incident occurred, and if Chris was staying there..seems like two guys coming in in the middle of the night would cause a commotion, unless they crept out after mom and Jennifer were asleep.

They might have cleaned up in a creek, thrown or buried the clothes anywhere. Possibly burned them. Would be hard to explain walking back in without any clothes on tho; unless they really prepared and took a change.

[GentleBreeze]

I still think Justina and Dillen were seen at church Sunday night and only Rick was seen shopping at a store Sunday evening.

imo

[JoAnn]

I still think Justina and Dillen were seen at church Sunday night and only Rick was seen shopping at a store Sunday evening.

imo

Thats the way I remember reading it way back after it happened, I mean within a day or two after the murders.

[Lyla]

Does anyone care to speculate on the motives of the two Harris brothers? I have heard locally that Ruth recently came into some money from a lawsuit - I wonder if any money was stolen from the house?

[CaliforniaGr]

Hi, I am on the West Coast, California, and I am trying to find the most recent press release. I believe it was from yesterday??

Also, being new here, I am confused. This is the new posting area? For some reason the other was closed. Correct?
Thanks everyone!!

[CaliforniaGr]

Jason/Jen's home:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/J-JhomeArmington.jpg

Jennifer and Jason both work at a nearby Caseys. (like a Quickstop gas/grocery) Hopefully the cops looked in the dumpster there and elsewhere.

For newcomers to the case, saved pics:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/

Hi, Thanks for these posts. Helped me to catch-up. In the photobucket pictures on the side view mug shot showing the right ear of Jason, doesn't that look like an injury all along the outside? Also, possibly at the base of the hairline? If this was brought up before--sorry.

[CaliforniaGr]

Does anyone care to speculate on the motives of the two Harris brothers? I have heard locally that Ruth recently came into some money from a lawsuit - I wonder if any money was stolen from the house?

I read that she was entitled to get over $30,000.00 from back child support. Not a lawsuit.

[clueless]

I still think Justina and Dillen were seen at church Sunday night and only Rick was seen shopping at a store Sunday evening.

imo

Copied this from Pantagraph of 9/25:

The children and Rick Gee reportedly were last seen Sunday night, and the children were absent from school Monday.

My thoughts were--that the two children went to church Sunday (day). I was thinking (assuming-:blushing:wrong I know) that they were sighted together when Rick went to store. I also ran across an article re: the argument---stating a male and toddler were seen leaving together. I was thinking Chris & the 9yr old. There were some PM's regarding this. But this is all I found. I have always thought there could have been a riff about the children. I do believe Chris adored his children.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Hi, Thanks for these posts. Helped me to catch-up. In the photobucket pictures on the side view mug shot showing the right ear of Jason, doesn't that look like an injury all along the outside? Also, possibly at the base of the hairline? If this was brought up before--sorry.


Welcome to the board, Cal.

Good observation, I didn't notice. I don't have a good program, but I enlarged it a little, it does look like an injury but hard to tell for sure.

http://i34.tinypic.com/mbo32b.jpg

[AmndaRcknwth]

Reporters want to see the search warrants. They aren't sealed, but they aren't being released. Why not?


Officials deny search warrant information


Warrants are believed to have been used to allow searches of the Armington home of Jason Harris and Jennifer Earnest, where Jason’s older brother Chris Harris often stayed, as well as the Logan County homes of the Harris brothers’ father and Nicole Gee, Chris Harris’ ex-wife. Authorities also seized a primer-gray truck belonging to Chris Harris that was parked at Nicole Gee’s residence.

Officials with the Logan County circuit clerk's office, which is responsible for keeping court records, said Friday the state’s attorney’s office has search-warrant applications and accompanying affidavits from police officers explaining why the warrants were needed.

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan nearly two years ago ruled that search warrant applications and accompanying affidavits become public records after the warrants are served unless a judge orders the documents sealed.

However, a woman who answered a reporter’s call to Logan County State’s Attorney Michael McIntosh on Friday said the records will not be released because the investigation is continuing. The woman said the same thing after a reporter faxed a copy of Madigan's ruling to the office and asked to speak with McIntosh.



http://www.sj-r.com/news/x576548109/Officials-deny-search-warrant-information

[Lucy]

Hi, Thanks for these posts. Helped me to catch-up. In the photobucket pictures on the side view mug shot showing the right ear of Jason, doesn't that look like an injury all along the outside? Also, possibly at the base of the hairline? If this was brought up before--sorry.

I agree with you no marks on his ears.. just red coloring , his face has same redness..

[CaliforniaGr]

Welcome to the board, Cal.

Good observation, I didn't notice. I don't have a good program, but I enlarged it a little, it does look like an injury but hard to tell for sure.

http://i34.tinypic.com/mbo32b.jpg

It is a bit grainy, but it looks different from the redness on his face. Maybe "deeper" or "more pronounced". Also, at the base of his hairline on the back of the neck, right side again, it has the same look.

[CaliforniaGr]

I agree with you no marks on his ears.. just red coloring , his face has same redness..

I think it does look like marks. It is a deeper red and more pronounced that the red on the cheeks. I know, it is hard to see but it does have a suspicious look.

[JoAnn]

Reporters want to see the search warrants. They aren't sealed, but they aren't being released. Why not?


Officials deny search warrant information


Warrants are believed to have been used to allow searches of the Armington home of Jason Harris and Jennifer Earnest, where Jason’s older brother Chris Harris often stayed, as well as the Logan County homes of the Harris brothers’ father and Nicole Gee, Chris Harris’ ex-wife. Authorities also seized a primer-gray truck belonging to Chris Harris that was parked at Nicole Gee’s residence.

Officials with the Logan County circuit clerk's office, which is responsible for keeping court records, said Friday the state’s attorney’s office has search-warrant applications and accompanying affidavits from police officers explaining why the warrants were needed.

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan nearly two years ago ruled that search warrant applications and accompanying affidavits become public records after the warrants are served unless a judge orders the documents sealed.

However, a woman who answered a reporter’s call to Logan County State’s Attorney Michael McIntosh on Friday said the records will not be released because the investigation is continuing. The woman said the same thing after a reporter faxed a copy of Madigan's ruling to the office and asked to speak with McIntosh.



http://www.sj-r.com/news/x576548109/Officials-deny-search-warrant-information

---
That's interesting..are they still searching I wonder?

[JoAnn]

I came across this photo of Gerald Miller (father of Dillan) and his wife, I don't recall seeing a photo of him before. If someone else posted this too, sorry if I am duplicating it.

http://www.pantagraph.com/image_d3aaa78e-b515-11de-9481-001cc4c002e0.html

[MoonFlwr]

Jason/Jen's home:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/J-JhomeArmington.jpg

Jennifer and Jason both work at a nearby Caseys. (like a Quickstop gas/grocery) Hopefully the cops looked in the dumpster there and elsewhere.

For newcomers to the case, saved pics:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/

Thanks for the saved pics! Hoped I'd stumble upon something like that! :thumbup:

[IlliniFan]

Thanks for the saved pics! Hoped I'd stumble upon something like that! :thumbup:


I know the photobucket gallery is great. I don't have facebook/myspace, so I was unable to see some of the pictures.

The links from the panatgraph are nice to have all dated, too. There is always something I seem to be looking for.

Thanks so much for all of your work...

[happygert]

Just thought of something on last thread someone was talking about Ruth getting $32,000 dollar's in back child support. that was 2 years ago according to the records looks like no payments have been made.. so theres no motive there for Chris . Looks like her ex dont like paying child support another case opened for childsupport.

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2007F30,IL054025JL2007F30P1

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009F44,IL054025JL2009F44D1

seems like a lot of money owed in back child support to more then one person.

[happygert]

Just thought of something on last thread someone was talking about Ruth getting $32,000 dollar's in back child support. that was 2 years ago according to the records looks like no payments have been made.. so theres no motive there for Chris . Looks like her ex dont like paying child support another case opened for childsupport.

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2007F30,IL054025JL2007F30P1

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009F44,IL054025JL2009F44D1

seems like a lot of money owed in back child support to more then one person.

sorry to quote myself.. unless there's another record somewhere else..but think it would be right where this is and it says payment made none

[IM4Truth]

Just thought of something on last thread someone was talking about Ruth getting $32,000 dollar's in back child support. that was 2 years ago according to the records looks like no payments have been made.. so theres no motive there for Chris . Looks like her ex dont like paying child support another case opened for childsupport.

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2007F30,IL054025JL2007F30P1

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009F44,IL054025JL2009F44D1

seems like a lot of money owed in back child support to more then one person.

not a lot if he never paid a dime and some men don't

[GentleBreeze]

Copied this from Pantagraph of 9/25:

The children and Rick Gee reportedly were last seen Sunday night, and the children were absent from school Monday.

My thoughts were--that the two children went to church Sunday (day). I was thinking (assuming-:blushing:wrong I know) that they were sighted together when Rick went to store. I also ran across an article re: the argument---stating a male and toddler were seen leaving together. I was thinking Chris & the 9yr old. There were some PM's regarding this. But this is all I found. I have always thought there could have been a riff about the children. I do believe Chris adored his children.

"Male and a toddler?" Leaving where? That wouldn't be Chris and his children. One is 9 years old and not a toddler and the other baby is a newborn only two months old.

Which Pantagraph article is it in about the "arguement"? Thanks.

[kennedy06]

"Male and a toddler?" Leaving where? That wouldn't be Chris and his children. One is 9 years old and not a toddler and the other baby is a newborn only two months old.

Which Pantagraph article is it in about the "arguement"? Thanks.

Didn't the younger brother have a child around the toddler age?

[JoAnn]

Didn't the younger brother have a child around the toddler age?
--
IMO
I 'think' the info was not in the paper, I believe it was posted right after the murders by a local ...but can't be sure of that now, I was new to the board and may not have that accurate.

But now that I think on it...I had made a "assumption" based on that info that it was Chris picking up the baby (and I hate it when assumptions are made in investigation)....and whoa...could it have been Jason stopping by there with Jennifers child in tow..having some sort of argument with the Gee family (if that info was truly accurate about an argument) and it was Jason seen leaving the house not Chris..?

whoa....that could put a different slant on this, couldn't it? Could Jason have been the instigator in this horrible event...not Chris...?

So let me carry this out a bit further to something that bothered me a lot. D. Harris said that Chris told her and his dad after his arrest that he "did not kill anyone and that the killer was still on the lose"...

IMO....Well he WAS telling the truth about the killer still being lose, could he have been telling the truth that he didn't kill anyone?

I positively believe he was there and present..no doubt in my mind on that..but this has nagged at me the whole time since his arrest..could he have been present..and involved but not actually have killed anyone..stopped short of the actual killing anyone? Could this have been JASONS agenda...not his?

I KNOW they had evidence to put him there and probably prints and maybe shoe sizes and styles that match etc..but it never once occurred to me until just now that it may not have been Chris leaving that house....it COULD have been Jason with Jennifers child.

Just some thoughts

[GentleBreeze]

--
I 'think' the info was not in the paper, I believe it was posted right after the murders by a local ...but can't be sure of that now, I was new to the board and may not have that accurate.

But now that I think on it...I had made a "assumption" based on that info that it was Chris picking up the baby (and I hate it when assumptions are made in investigation)....and whoa...could it have been Jason stopping by there with Jennifers child in tow..having some sort of argument with the Gee family (if that info was truly accurate about an argument) and it was Jason seen leaving the house not Chris..?

whoa....that could put a different slant on this, couldn't it? Could Jason have been the instigator in this horrible event...not Chris...?

So let me carry this out a bit further to something that bothered me a lot. D. Harris said that Chris told her and his dad after his arrest that he "did not kill anyone and that the killer was still on the lose"...

Well he WAS telling the truth about the killer still being lose, could he have been telling the truth that he didn't kill anyone?

I positively believe he was there and present..no doubt in my mind on that..but this has nagged at me the whole time since his arrest..could he have been present..and involved but not actually have killed anyone..stopped short of the actual killing anyone? Could this have been JASONS agenda...not his?

I KNOW they had evidence to put him there and probably prints and maybe shoe sizes and styles that match etc..but it never once occurred to me until just now that it may not have been Chris leaving that house....it COULD have been Jason with Jennifers child.

Then maybe that is why I cant find it in news articles by reporters.

I only see it mentioned in the comments sections and they are saying there was an argument Sunday and Rick's son was seen leaving with a toddler.:shrug: So it just may be gossip but out by the locals in the comment sections of newspaper sites and blogs.

I just think Jason was trying to cover for his big brother. Imo, he knows Chris Harris was in on this too. He sure wasnt going to blurt out that he knows he is guilty!

I think Jason was mocking the police when he said that the killer was still on the loose. Like he was thumbing his nose at them and they hadn't caught him yet.

Dillen's father said that Dillen never even mentioned Chris so I don't have a clue why his younger brother, Jason, would even be coming to the Gee house anyway.

imo

[Amy]

From what I had read, there was $32k due in back child support. Which, if I understand correctly, would not come to her in one lump sum, but could be added in increments to the present support payment. So, unless someone misunderstood about how and when she would receive the back payment, I don't think it would have been a motive. IMO.

[desmom]

Didn't the younger brother have a child around the toddler age?

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20091010/ARTICLE/910101041/2055/NEWS?Title=Local-link-to-brutal-Illinois-slayings-of-five
Earnest is engaged to Christopher Harris' brother, Jason Harris. The couple have a daughter together and they moved from Englewood to Illinois a few years ago.

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1128405228/Jason-Harris-had-minor-legal-woes
The lawn is peppered with children’s toys. Harris and Earnest have at least one young child together.

[CaliforniaGr]

I came across this photo of Gerald Miller (father of Dillan) and his wife, I don't recall seeing a photo of him before. If someone else posted this too, sorry if I am duplicating it.

http://www.pantagraph.com/image_d3aaa78e-b515-11de-9481-001cc4c002e0.html

Is Gerald Miller also the father of Justina? If not, has her father ever been mentioned?

[CaliforniaGr]

Just thought of something on last thread someone was talking about Ruth getting $32,000 dollar's in back child support. that was 2 years ago according to the records looks like no payments have been made.. so theres no motive there for Chris . Looks like her ex dont like paying child support another case opened for childsupport.

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2007F30,IL054025JL2007F30P1

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009F44,IL054025JL2009F44D1

seems like a lot of money owed in back child support to more then one person.

Interesting that also the Plaintiff is the State of California.

[GentleBreeze]

Interesting that also the Plaintiff is the State of California.

I think Dillen's half siblings live in California.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Is Gerald Miller also the father of Justina? If not, has her father ever been mentioned?

No, he is only listed as the father of Dillen.

In Justina's obit the only father mentioned was Rick Gee.

imo

[desmom]

Interesting that also the Plaintiff is the State of California.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_b0ea8b8c-aeef-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html
Terri Miller's dream of reuniting with the younger brother she had met only once came true last year...

Miller, now 28, grew up in California but moved to Lincoln about a year ago to spend time with Dillen and get to know the other members his family.

[kennedy06]

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20091010/ARTICLE/910101041/2055/NEWS?Title=Local-link-to-brutal-Illinois-slayings-of-five
Earnest is engaged to Christopher Harris' brother, Jason Harris. The couple have a daughter together and they moved from Englewood to Illinois a few years ago.

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1128405228/Jason-Harris-had-minor-legal-woes
The lawn is peppered with children’s toys. Harris and Earnest have at least one young child together.

The article in the Herald was interesting.


I think there is more to this story than is meeting the eye. I can't see 2 humans garnering enough hate suddenly over what some of us have speculated could have been an argument over the daughter or possibly Chris wanting to be a knight in shining armor to go into a home and beat children to death as they have been alleged to have done.

The only motiviations I can possibly speculate or think of are anger/revenge or fear to the extreme on both levels, for this type of action by two men...unless they were equally stoned out of their minds and hot heads.

I would think they had to feel the same emotion equally if both were equally involved. You would think one would have stopped the other before those kids were hurt and killed if they were just upset at the parents over something to do with their daughter. Just my thoughts

[clueless]

"Male and a toddler?" Leaving where? That wouldn't be Chris and his children. One is 9 years old and not a toddler and the other baby is a newborn only two months old.

Which Pantagraph article is it in about the "arguement"? Thanks.


Good Morning GB:w00t:
Right, it wouldn't have been them. Maybe Jason and toddler? 18mos (Olivia) I want to say it's not the Pantagraph, but not certain. I can't do the research right now, but will later. Seems it was near the beginning of the case.

[desmom]

The article in the Herald was interesting.


I think there is more to this story than is meeting the eye. I can't see 2 humans garnering enough hate suddenly over what some of us have speculated could have been an argument over the daughter or possibly Chris wanting to be a knight in shining armor to go into a home and beat children to death.

The only motiviations I can possibly speculate or think of are anger/revenge or fear to the extreme on both levels, for this type of action by two men...unless they were equally stoned out of their minds and hot heads.

I would think they had to feel the same emotion equally if both were equally involved. You would think one would have stopped the other before those kids were hurt and killed if they were just upset at the parents over something to do with their daughter. Just my thoughts

I am leaning toward it was a heated argument that got out of hand.

http://www.sj-r.com/police/x576543384/3-accused-of-obstruction-in-Beason-murders
“Nicole was still having a real hard time with her family, so she snapped at Chris, and whenever she snapped at Chris, he comes over to Jason and Jenny’s,” Debbie Harris said on Friday, the day after Chris Harris was arrested. “So he went and spent a few nights at Jason and Jenny’s. That’s where he was."

I am leaning toward an argument that turned to fists.

Did Chris and Jason discuss Nicole's "real hard time with her family"?

Did Chris decide to go and talk to Rick personally and Jason went along as moral support?

Did Chris and Rick's talk become overheated and it escalated to fists?

If Rick was getting the best of Chris in a fist fight, would Jason jump in?

Was Ruth asleep? Was Ruth present? Would she try to help her husband?

Did Chris or Jason pick up a board, ball bat or piece of pipe and hit Rick or Ruth?

jmo

[JoAnn]

[QUOTE=Deannalynn;

I personally will wait for evidence and motive...[/QUOTE]
--
It may be a very long time before we learn officially what the motive was...I don't suppose they have to release it until it comes out in the trial.

And whether Chris did the actual killing or not is really mute..since anyone that was present or involved would have the same charges placed against them whether they participated or not..but it has always nagged at me...the statement to his family that HE didnt kill anyone.. But, I don't believe in his innocence for IMO he was most definitely there as the arrest and charges confirm.

Yes I suppose there will always be people that want to point out things in Ruth and Ricks background or imply a victim may not be so innocent...

but I also think at the beginning of this or any investigation it was essential to KNOW the background of everyone that was involved or could have been involved for when it first happened there was no way to know if it could have been something from Rick or Ruths past that came back at them..or if it was present circumstances that led to this massacre.

So knowing a victims background is essential in a investigation. There is a fine line between investigative background information and "blaming the victims"...I see no harm in having the knowledge of their past lives but I see no reason to blame or to shed harsh light on them either especially for things that happened years and years ago.

What happened to them was the most horrific thing I have ever known to happen in one family...this was almost an entire family that no longer exits..that in one evening, the space of a hour or so, maybe less was wiped from the face of this earth and there is not a reason in this world that anyone could ever come up with that would justify that.

[Katherine]

Jason does have a toddler, Olivia, who is under 2 years of age.

JoAnn and Kennedy - totally agree. There is more to this story than simple anger over a reconciliation. For both of the Harris boys to be actively involved with the murder....I can't really see anyone assisting in a murder scheme if it was about reconciliation, especially as that had occurred on multiple occasions. Both had to be filled with rage, or (agree Kennedy) under the influence of something.

I don't see anyone blaming victims, just trying to look at all angles. Sometimes our life choices do put us and our family in danger. Example, if I drive drunk and wreck my car, killing my friend, did my friend deserve to die because he/she got in the car? No. But my choice put everyone in danger. Not saying that is the case here. Just trying to keep an open mind and not rule out any possibilities. Am certainly not saying that is the case with the Gee family, and in no way am saying this murder was in any way their fault. No one should have fallen victim to these two men.

I believe this case will be very complex once the details are released. I do appreciate everyone's opinion; it makes a person think. And I welcome any information regarding this family - old or new. Gives me the bigger picture of the families and their dynamics.

[desmom]

"Male and a toddler?" Leaving where? That wouldn't be Chris and his children. One is 9 years old and not a toddler and the other baby is a newborn only two months old.

Which Pantagraph article is it in about the "arguement"? Thanks.

I have not been able to find anything about an argument in any of the media outlets. I think it was something that was posted on one of the boards or in the comments section under a news article. jmo

[IM4Truth]

Okay, here is a link that makes reference to drugs:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...ayings-of-five

This is what was said:

Dale Earnest, Jennifer's father and Duncan's ex-husband, said he got a phone call from Jennifer Earnest on Tuesday but had not heard of the arrests.

"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police no he couldn't have done it and on and on," Dale Earnest said. "She was scared."

"From what she had told me they thought the mother and father sold drugs, and they were wondering if it was something gone bad," Dale Earnest said.

Jennifer could have been telling her father the drug story just to put up a smoke screen for the brothers. However, if it was true, then the boys were involved with the drugs too. I'm thinking smoke screen to throw the investigation in a different direction than her boyfriend and his brother.

[IM4Truth]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_b0ea8b8c-aeef-11de-8e9f-001cc4c03286.html
Terri Miller's dream of reuniting with the younger brother she had met only once came true last year...

Miller, now 28, grew up in California but moved to Lincoln about a year ago to spend time with Dillen and get to know the other members his family.

I'm a bit confused on Terri Miller's relationship. I read where she wanted to be close to her brother (Dillen) but then didn't I see where she was Gerald Miller's wife?

[desmom]

Okay, here is a link that makes reference to drugs:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...ayings-of-five

This is what was said:

Dale Earnest, Jennifer's father and Duncan's ex-husband, said he got a phone call from Jennifer Earnest on Tuesday but had not heard of the arrests.

"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police no he couldn't have done it and on and on," Dale Earnest said. "She was scared."

"From what she had told me they thought the mother and father sold drugs, and they were wondering if it was something gone bad," Dale Earnest said.

Jennifer could have been telling her father the drug story just to put up a smoke screen for the brothers. However, if it was true, then the boys were involved with the drugs too. I'm thinking smoke screen to throw the investigation in a different direction than her boyfriend and his brother.

BBM... I agree IM4Truth! Unless of course, one wants to believe their children always tells them the whole truth. :tonguewag:

[JoAnn]

Okay, here is a link that makes reference to drugs:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...ayings-of-five

This is what was said:

Dale Earnest, Jennifer's father and Duncan's ex-husband, said he got a phone call from Jennifer Earnest on Tuesday but had not heard of the arrests.

"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police no he couldn't have done it and on and on," Dale Earnest said. "She was scared."

"From what she had told me they thought the mother and father sold drugs, and they were wondering if it was something gone bad," Dale Earnest said.

Jennifer could have been telling her father the drug story just to put up a smoke screen for the brothers. However, if it was true, then the boys were involved with the drugs too. I'm thinking smoke screen to throw the investigation in a different direction than her boyfriend and his brother.

----
Interesting and I think Jennifer is running her mouth to authorities with everything she may know and she is wise to do that IMO

[IM4Truth]

Here:

Gerald Miller and wife Terri

http://www.pantagraph.com/image_d3aaa78e-b515-11de-9481-001cc4c002e0.html

[desmom]

I'm a bit confused on Terri Miller's relationship. I read where she wanted to be close to her brother (Dillen) but then didn't I see where she was Gerald Miller's wife?

Terri is a pretty common name. It could also be an abbreviation for Teresa.

Here is a picture of Gerald Miller and wife, Terri http://www.pantagraph.com/image_d3aaa78e-b515-11de-9481-001cc4c002e0.html

Imo, the woman in that picture is older than 28 years old.

[IM4Truth]

----
Interesting and I think Jennifer is running her mouth to authorities with everything she may know and she is wise to do that IMO

She would be wise in running her mouth to LE about the truth now. She has a baby to take care of. Has the baby been placed with relatives or in DCF?

[clueless]

Terri is a pretty common name. It could also be an abbreviation for Teresa.

Here is a picture of Gerald Miller and wife, Terri http://www.pantagraph.com/image_d3aaa78e-b515-11de-9481-001cc4c002e0.html

Imo, the woman in that picture is older than 28 years old.

Could be a coincident him having a daughter by that name and then marrying a women with the same.

[JoAnn]

Okay, here is a link that makes reference to drugs:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...ayings-of-five

SNIPPED...
"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police no he couldn't have done it and on and on," Dale Earnest said. "She was scared."

"From what she had told me they thought the mother and father sold drugs, and they were wondering if it was something gone bad," Dale Earnest said.[/I]

Jennifer could have been telling her father the drug story just to put up a smoke screen for the brothers. However, if it was true, then the boys were involved with the drugs too. I'm thinking smoke screen to throw the investigation in a different direction than her boyfriend and his brother.

-----
IMO
Unless POSSIBLY there could have been some truth to it and there was a large amount of money involved, present in the house or even owed to someone..and Jason and/or Chris were involved in the drug dealing, delivering or collecting ????


And please I am NOT placing any blame on these innocent victims..I am simply saying "what if"....it most likely is something Jennifer was tossing out to take pressure of her and place it somewhere else.. for isn't that one of the standard statements that people make whenever anything horrible happens..."must be drug related"...the first thing that comes to mind is often.."I wonder if drugs were involved". So for Jennifer to say that to her dad probably has NO significance at all.

[AmndaRcknwth]

No, I do not think money was the motive. Gerald Miller isn't a rich man, just a man who owes a LOT of child support. She won, but I doubt she collected.

My speculation tends to be Chris' relationship with Nicole. I would like to hear something about that.

Debbie Harris (Chris and Jasons stepmom) said that Chris would go stay at Jason/Jennifers home when Nicole was upset with him. She also said something about Nicole having 'another' arguement with her family.

Paraphrased, I will search for the actual quote.

[clueless]

As posted by other people, we may not the motive until the trial, but it's driving me nuts. What would make a man enraged?

1. A woman.
2. Someone hurting his family.
3. Money.
4. Someone stealing from him.
5. Someone threating him.

I'm sure there are many more. But which one of the seven deadly sins prevoked this? Usually in a tragedy it takes two mistakes, not just one.

JMO: Sheriff Nichols stated he was sure he had the right people in custody. Well there are two more people in custody besides the brothers and they don't want to release info on seach warrant because it's still an ongoing investigation. A possibility exists here.??

[AmndaRcknwth]

The Harris brothers' stepmother, Debbie Harris, told The Pantagraph earlier this week that Chris Harris was staying at his brother's house in Armington in the days leading up to the deaths.

Chris Harris and Nicole Gee, daughter of Rick Gee, divorced in 2007 but reconciled and had an 8-week-old son. He sometimes lived with her in Beason, but Debbie Harris said they had had a fight and he was temporarily staying in Armington to "just give her a chance to cool off."

She said Nicole Gee called him there on the day the bodies were found.

"He flew over there (to Beason) and he never left," Debbie Harris said. In the days to follow, he reportedly attended the Gee family funeral and even visited the 3-year-old survivor, Tabitha Gee, at a Peoria hospital.

He was arrested Oct. 1. The next day, Earnest told The Pantagraph that Chris Harris "didn't do it" and that the family would be fighting the charges. She identified herself as Jason Harris' fiancee, not girlfriend.

Police searched the homes of Debbie Harris, Jason Harris and Nicole Gee last week, testing bathtubs and cars for traces of blood, according to Debbie Harris.


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_454df094-b34f-11de-a81a-001cc4c002e0.html

[Katherine]

My guess at the motive is that it was drug related and not premeditated. Although problems in the Nicole/Chris relationship, I am not sure they would rise to the level of murder, as it seemed common place for the two of them. With Jason involved, I have to think it was something that affected both of them, like the loss of money or need for drugs. Just my opinion.

[JoAnn]

I would like to feel sorry for Jennifers mother for I do think she got "handled" by her daughter and by Jason and or Chris..but until we know just what it was that she said, did or lied about...then I have to hold my sympathy in check.

I cannot believe ANY righteous person would deliberately lie or deceive during questioning for ANYONE in a crime of this nature....what is THEIR character if they were willing to lie to LE ?

[JoAnn]

As posted by other people, we may not the motive until the trial, but it's driving me nuts. What would make a man enraged?

1. A woman.
2. Someone hurting his family.
3. Money.
4. Someone stealing from him.
5. Someone threating him.

I'm sure there are many more. But which one of the seven deadly sins prevoked this? Usually in a tragedy it takes two mistakes, not just one. snipped
.??

----
what is the old expression.".you dont mess with someones money, wife or dog "...something like that... money no 3 of your list.

[clueless]

I have not been able to find anything about an argument in any of the media outlets. I think it was something that was posted on one of the boards or in the comments section under a news article. jmo

You're right. It was a comment by someone on True Crime Report, 9/24, but it was only specuation, the person had read it on another site. So now I'm thinking it was just total speculation. If I find different, will let you know. (I googled "argument, Beason, il.")

[GentleBreeze]

As posted by other people, we may not the motive until the trial, but it's driving me nuts. What would make a man enraged?

1. A woman.
2. Someone hurting his family.
3. Money.
4. Someone stealing from him.
5. Someone threating him.

I'm sure there are many more. But which one of the seven deadly sins prevoked this? Usually in a tragedy it takes two mistakes, not just one.

JMO: Sheriff Nichols stated he was sure he had the right people in custody. Well there are two more people in custody besides the brothers and they don't want to release info on seach warrant because it's still an ongoing investigation. A possibility exists here.??


IMO, 1. A woman he had an obsession about and thought with the parents out of he way he could manipulate her where she would come back to him and stay.

I don't find it odd that the search warrants have been released. That is usually the case and they will remain sealed until the investigation is completed. I do think the press will eventually get to see the SWs though but that may be after Duncan is brought back and charged.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I would like to feel sorry for Jennifers mother for I do think she got "handled" by her daughter and by Jason and or Chris..but until we know just what it was that she said, did or lied about...then I have to hold my sympathy in check.

I cannot believe ANY righteous person would deliberately lie or deceive during questioning for ANYONE in a crime of this nature....what is THEIR character if they were willing to lie to LE ?

All I want to know is why did she think it necessary that she should lie for Chris Harris and give him a false alibi?

Anyone that came to me wanting me to lie for them I would immediately get my hinky meter up and say "no way!"

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Okay, here is a link that makes reference to drugs:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...ayings-of-five

This is what was said:

Dale Earnest, Jennifer's father and Duncan's ex-husband, said he got a phone call from Jennifer Earnest on Tuesday but had not heard of the arrests.

"She did say something about Jason's brother had been arrested, and they kept telling the police no he couldn't have done it and on and on," Dale Earnest said. "She was scared."

"From what she had told me they thought the mother and father sold drugs, and they were wondering if it was something gone bad," Dale Earnest said.

Jennifer could have been telling her father the drug story just to put up a smoke screen for the brothers. However, if it was true, then the boys were involved with the drugs too. I'm thinking smoke screen to throw the investigation in a different direction than her boyfriend and his brother.

I find any of the words said by those arrested now, suspect. I think they were saying that as a diversionary tactic of wanting people to think this was a drug hit gone bad instead of murders done by persons known to the family in a personal way.

imo

[clueless]

All I want to know is why did she think it necessary that she should lie for Chris Harris and give him a false alibi?

Anyone that came to me wanting me to lie for them I would immediately get my hinky meter up and say "no way!"

imo

JMO---Either she was totally bamboozled or she in way too deep.

Ps....like that "hinky meter" First giggle of the day..thank you.

[AmndaRcknwth]

The love/control of a beautiful woman... it wouldn't be the first time it was motive for muder.

[AmndaRcknwth]

--
IMO
I 'think' the info was not in the paper, I believe it was posted right after the murders by a local ...but can't be sure of that now, I was new to the board and may not have that accurate.

But now that I think on it...I had made a "assumption" based on that info that it was Chris picking up the baby (and I hate it when assumptions are made in investigation)....and whoa...could it have been Jason stopping by there with Jennifers child in tow..having some sort of argument with the Gee family (if that info was truly accurate about an argument) and it was Jason seen leaving the house not Chris..?

whoa....that could put a different slant on this, couldn't it? Could Jason have been the instigator in this horrible event...not Chris...?

So let me carry this out a bit further to something that bothered me a lot. D. Harris said that Chris told her and his dad after his arrest that he "did not kill anyone and that the killer was still on the lose"...

IMO....Well he WAS telling the truth about the killer still being lose, could he have been telling the truth that he didn't kill anyone?

I positively believe he was there and present..no doubt in my mind on that..but this has nagged at me the whole time since his arrest..could he have been present..and involved but not actually have killed anyone..stopped short of the actual killing anyone? Could this have been JASONS agenda...not his?

I KNOW they had evidence to put him there and probably prints and maybe shoe sizes and styles that match etc..but it never once occurred to me until just now that it may not have been Chris leaving that house....it COULD have been Jason with Jennifers child.

Just some thoughts

Hmmm... that DOES put a whole new slant in there. Sounds reasonable.
Jason/Jens daughter is walking, so yep... toddler.

As far as I can find, no link? To the arguement story, right?

Happygert? Do you know via town talk which toddler and male was in this arguement? I know darn sure Sheriff Nicols isn't gonna answer that one.

[happygert]

Interesting that also the Plaintiff is the State of California.

yes.......I guess it dont make a lot of difference to him that his children has to eat.

Just wondering since Ruth is dead now is the judgement done? Since Ruth and Dillen's death he doesn't have to pay the money?

[corbi77]

Personally, and I am no lawyer, but I would think the money owed to Ruth/Dillen would still have to be contributed to their estate. However, if not, that sort of throws out another motive to think about huh?

[AmndaRcknwth]

I find any of the words said by those arrested now, suspect. I think they were saying that as a diversionary tactic of wanting people to think this was a drug hit gone bad instead of murders done by persons known to the family in a personal way.

imo

You are probably right.

BUT... drugs really do play into murders. It is pretty common to hear the news of a houseful of people being shot to death over drug deals.

Drugs do make some sense. In rural America there is a big meth problem.

I'm not saying this to malign dead people, but just a "what if".

[clueless]

Hmmm... that DOES put a whole new slant in there. Sounds reasonable.
Jason/Jens daughter is walking, so yep... toddler.

As far as I can find, no link? To the arguement story, right?

Happygert? Do you know via town talk which toddler and male was in this arguement? I know darn sure Sheriff Nicols isn't gonna answer that one.

Just realized....Rick's son, Lonnie, I believe it was said he has a toddler also. Gert would know.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I looked up Lonnies record a couple weeks ago. He had some questionable roomies iirc.

With all those investigators from all those agencies, I bet they questioned him, and everyone he was connected with.

[GentleBreeze]

You are probably right.

BUT... drugs really do play into murders. It is pretty common to hear the news of a houseful of people being shot to death over drug deals.

Drugs do make some sense. In rural America there is a big meth problem.

I'm not saying this to malign dead people, but just a "what if".

True but when that happens the murderers aren't people close to the family relationship usually, imo.

Family members or ex family members kill for a much more personal reason. IMO

imo

[fastpitch]

A mother of one of the Columbine murderers is publishing an article where she says that she never knew that her son was disturbed.

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1699624178/Columbine-killer-s-mom-publishes-essay

It seems like family is usually the last to know.

[JoAnn]

True but when that happens the murderers aren't people close to the family relationship usually, imo.

Family members or ex family members kill for a much more personal reason. IMO

imo

--
IMO
Possibly an exception then...the Georgia Trailer Park murders shortly before Ruth and Ricks family murders....there were 8 people I believe was killed and (ironically) a 3 year old survivor in critical condition.

The family was found by a son who was gone all night and returned home to find his whole family murdered, except the3 year old survivor...(sounding a bit familiar)..he was the one to call 911....and ..the son the one that "found" the bodies and called the LE...was the person arrested for crime..he acted alone and bludgeoned them all to death,except for the surviving child...motive????

Never released when I was actively following it...very tight lipped investigation, but did read a interview in a on line paper, a relative spoke out as a possible motive being .. it was a " drug deal gone bad and some money was owed" not exact words but to that effect..then the Gee murders happened and I haven't been back to check to see if they released a motive, however the son for drug or drug paraphernalia charge, and immediately arrested for the murders. It sounds a bit like a echo though between the Gee murders and the family in Georgia.

Now as I type this out...I have to wonder if the horrible murders in Georgia could have "inspired" the Gee family murders in any way... a sick mind could have latched on to that incident and it planted a seed into a warped mind.

Always just IMO

[JoAnn]

Does anyone care to speculate on the motives of the two Harris brothers? I have heard locally that Ruth recently came into some money from a lawsuit - I wonder if any money was stolen from the house?

--
IMO
I guess there are dozens of theories...but until I see something being released by LE....I am really stalling and hesitating at thinking it was out of love for Nicole so things would be better between the two of them...I don't buy that. Their relationship was rocky but they always went back together in the end.

And imo I know I am alone with this thought, but just because Chris was arrested first does not mean it was about HIM...it could have been about Jason...or it could have been about something that touched both of them equally. So much speculation about why Chris did it...maybe we should speculate on why Jason did it..and why his girlfriend would lie to give Chris an alibi (let alone her mother if that is what mom did). By giving Chris an alibi, it also gave all of them a alibi...they were all together, right?

So my thoughts take me to Jason and what do we know about his life, and how he lived..Jason may be younger and may be the second not the first to be arrested for the murders, but that doesnt mean he was a follower, he could very well have been the instigator...so maybe all these posts,probably hundreds of them on the other board, speculating about why Chris would do it, maybe we should now speculate a bit on why Jason would feel that rage and that anger to do something that awfull...we all have thought Chris did it because Rick and Ruth MAY have been negative about he and Nicole...but maybe that has nothing to do with it at all.

I think money IS going to play into it but not in the manner suggested here so far.

I think there is a LOT of things dealing with motive that has not been released and may never be released to the public.

I can't post what I REALLY think for it is wrong it would be casting stones that do not need to be cast. But I do have a theory that over-rides all my other thoughts of motive and for me, it fits like a glove.

[happygert]

Does anyone care to speculate on the motives of the two Harris brothers? I have heard locally that Ruth recently came into some money from a lawsuit - I wonder if any money was stolen from the house?

No Money it was a child support case 2 YEARS AGO.....and to date no money paid not a thin dime,, Take notice of the date.
9-07-2007


Judge
Entered Under: GEE, RUTH
09/07/2007 Order entered. (See Order) Arrearage amount $32,079.20 as of 3/31/07. DLC
06/08/2007 Order entered. (See Order) 9/7/07 @ 10:30a.m. DLC
05/17/2007 Summons returned showing service on Gerald Miller. Service fee $43.00 UNASSIGNED
05/07/2007 **Complaint filed on 5/07/2007 Complaint to Enforce Administrative Support Order filed. Notice of Hearing with Proof of Service filed as to both parties. Summons issued to Sheriff of Logan Co. ret. 6/8/07 @ 9:30 a.m. UNASSIGNED


2007F30 GEE, RUTHLast Search | Information | Dispositions | History | Payments | Fines & Fees
Transaction Type Payment Type Check/E-Pay # Receipt # Receipt Date Amount Applied
None

NO MOTIVE THERE

[kennedy06]

I wonder what the relationship was like between Chris and the children of the family. Was he close to them in some fashion? How about Jason did he have any type of relationship with the family? Its the killing and attempted killing of the children that really disturbs me, why hurt the children?

[happygert]

--
IMO
I guess there are dozens of theories...but until I see something being released by LE....I am really stalling and hesitating at thinking it was out of love for Nicole so things would be better between the two of them...I don't buy that. Their relationship was rocky but they always went back together in the end.

And imo I know I am alone with this thought, but just because Chris was arrested first does not mean it was about HIM...it could have been about Jason...or it could have been about something that touched both of them equally. So much speculation about why Chris did it...maybe we should speculate on why Jason did it..and why his girlfriend would lie to give Chris an alibi (let alone her mother if that is what mom did). By giving Chris an alibi, it also gave all of them a alibi...they were all together, right?

So my thoughts take me to Jason and what do we know about his life, and how he lived..Jason may be younger and may be the second not the first to be arrested for the murders, but that doesnt mean he was a follower, he could very well have been the instigator...so maybe all these posts,probably hundreds of them on the other board, speculating about why Chris would do it, maybe we should now speculate a bit on why Jason would feel that rage and that anger to do something that awfull...we all have thought Chris did it because Rick and Ruth MAY have been negative about he and Nicole...but maybe that has nothing to do with it at all.

I think money IS going to play into it but not in the manner suggested here so far.

I think there is a LOT of things dealing with motive that has not been released and may never be released to the public.

I can't post what I REALLY think for it is wrong it would be casting stones that do not need to be cast. But I do have a theory that over-rides all my other thoughts of motive and for me, it fits like a glove.

I doubt very much Chris would kill Rick , Ruth and the kids for Nicole.
Chris is a very soft hearted ,Loving Person. IMO Chris did not commit this crime.

Do I think theres possible money as the motive for this crime yes, Do I think it involves Chris NO. JUST MY OPINION.

[happygert]

The love/control of a beautiful woman... it wouldn't be the first time it was motive for muder.

Chris IS not a CONTROLLING person.. so no motive there.

[happygert]

My guess at the motive is that it was drug related and not premeditated. Although problems in the Nicole/Chris relationship, I am not sure they would rise to the level of murder, as it seemed common place for the two of them. With Jason involved, I have to think it was something that affected both of them, like the loss of money or need for drugs. Just my opinion.

Could be a possibility.. But It wasn't Chris. I agree ,Chris and Nicole's relationship is not a motive for murdering most of her family
IMO that theory is totally ridiculous.

[IM4Truth]

Personally, and I am no lawyer, but I would think the money owed to Ruth/Dillen would still have to be contributed to their estate. However, if not, that sort of throws out another motive to think about huh?

Child Support Enforcement intercepts Federal income tax refunds from deadbeat dads on delinquent Child Support debts.

[Katherine]

You are probably right.

BUT... drugs really do play into murders. It is pretty common to hear the news of a houseful of people being shot to death over drug deals.

Drugs do make some sense. In rural America there is a big meth problem.

I'm not saying this to malign dead people, but just a "what if".

Many of the most horrific crimes are committed by family members and/or boyfriends/girlfriends. I agree the reasons are generally very personal. That being said, if it was a drug deal gone bad, and Chris/Jason were on the losing end, could it have produced such personal rage? And the children were innocent victims, just because they were there and needed to be silenced or fought to protect their parents? It is so sad.

And in a small community like Beason, I am sure family and friends would be the first suspects, even with drugs as the motive. Not a lot of outside traffice in the community. Meth has crossed my mind, but have not seen/heard any of the neighbors comment (and they were initially talking). Meth has very distinct characteristics. Not ruling anything out - just thinking out loud.

Even if drugs were not the motive, I still want to believe that Jason and Chris were under the influence. No sane/sober person would think to murder an entire family, especially the children.

Lots of possible motives, and many unanswered questions. Apppreciate the brainstorming.

[Katherine]

I wonder what the relationship was like between Chris and the children of the family. Was he close to them in some fashion? How about Jason did he have any type of relationship with the family? Its the killing and attempted killing of the children that really disturbs me, why hurt the children?

I don't think any sane person will ever understand why those poor kids were killed.

[corbi77]

I don't think any sane person will ever understand why those poor kids were killed.

I have to agree with you Katherine. It is so hard for us to conceive since we can't think like a killer. Whether they had to suffer just to silence them or not, it still is so hard to think about.

I pray that none of them suffered long, but that isn't even true for poor little Tabitha. For her, I pray she has no memory of it at all, but it must also be hard for both her and Jessica, wondering where their family is now. More so, since Nicole is no longer allowed to visit. I am sure the people taking care of them have tried to soothe their questions about this though. There are some very caring people in the health field that I am sure know how to handle this situation. Hugs alone can do a lot for a child that is lonely and fearful.

[cassidy]

I wonder what the relationship was like between Chris and the children of the family. Was he close to them in some fashion? How about Jason did he have any type of relationship with the family? Its the killing and attempted killing of the children that really disturbs me, why hurt the children?
because the kids could identify the killer. simple.

[GentleBreeze]

It is so hard to speculate as to the motive. Really unless the defendants confesses, motives are very hard to discern.

LE may have talked with witnesses where they may have a very good idea what the motive was. In this case Nichols does seem to already know the motive.

Since both men have been charged with first degree murders x 5 and one attempted murder, I do not think the perps were there to steal drugs and something went wrong. That would be more like a crime of passion (second degree) where an argument ensued and this happened. LE seems to think these crimes were premeditated imo thus the charges of first degrees. They had the intent to kill when they came there. They have not been charged with robbery. So imo they weren't there to take anything but had the intentions to leave these family dead when they came there.

Me personally....just guessing, Chris blamed the Gees for his own shortcomings and did not like them interfering in what he thought were his and Nicole's affairs. Wont be the first time that a man lost his head over a woman.

It makes no sense if Nicole was mad with her family that Chris would leave and go stay with his brother. Now if she was ticked off at him, it certainly would make sense.

Motives usually are senseless and mind boggling to a rational thinking person who would never resort to murder in the first place. The motives run the gambit and just because someone was known as easygoing or quiet or even having an impeccable reputation is no fail safe they aren't murderers. We have seen Doctors, Rabbis, rocket scientist, fertilizer salesman etc commit ultimate acts of homicide for a myriad of reasons and they didn't even have any past criminal history whatsoever. They too were known as quiet unassuming guys.

Motive is not even a necessary element a DA has to prove because really only the killers know for sure why they did what they did although I have no doubt they will introduce their theory based upon the evidence to the jury. But whatever the motive is will not change this case or lessen its severity. A jury will know that no one deserves what was done to the Gee family.

Jmo

[GentleBreeze]

--
IMO
Possibly an exception then...the Georgia Trailer Park murders shortly before Ruth and Ricks family murders....there were 8 people I believe was killed and (ironically) a 3 year old survivor in critical condition.

The family was found by a son who was gone all night and returned home to find his whole family murdered, except the3 year old survivor...(sounding a bit familiar)..he was the one to call 911....and ..the son the one that "found" the bodies and called the LE...was the person arrested for crime..he acted alone and bludgeoned them all to death,except for the surviving child...motive????

Never released when I was actively following it...very tight lipped investigation, but did read a interview in a on line paper, a relative spoke out as a possible motive being .. it was a " drug deal gone bad and some money was owed" not exact words but to that effect..then the Gee murders happened and I haven't been back to check to see if they released a motive, however the son for drug or drug paraphernalia charge, and immediately arrested for the murders. It sounds a bit like a echo though between the Gee murders and the family in Georgia.

Now as I type this out...I have to wonder if the horrible murders in Georgia could have "inspired" the Gee family murders in any way... a sick mind could have latched on to that incident and it planted a seed into a warped mind.

Always just IMO

I don't think these crimes were copy cat murders. Unfortunately family dynamics go on all across this country and things like this do happen when family members or exes are involved.

Yes, in the Heinz case his brother did hint that there may have been drugs in the home and he said his brother may bear some responsibility for that, even though the younger brother believes his brother did not commit the crimes, which I think is normal for family members to want to believe. But I don't think those murders happened because of drugs, Now he may have been using drug at the time though. I think it was much more personal that that. I always felt in that case it was some type of rejection Heinz felt that caused his uncontrollable rage.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

because the kids could identify the killer. simple.

ITA!

This family knew their killers. No one could be left behind to identify them and I doubt Tabitha will at her age and what she has endured.

imo

[IlliniFan]

ITA!

This family knew their killers. No one could be left behind to identify them and I doubt Tabitha will at her age and what she has endured.

imo


Do you have a feeling this was premeditated, or do you think an arguement escalated that night? You have to wonder, why Jason was there in the first place.....

[GentleBreeze]

Many of the most horrific crimes are committed by family members and/or boyfriends/girlfriends. I agree the reasons are generally very personal. That being said, if it was a drug deal gone bad, and Chris/Jason were on the losing end, could it have produced such personal rage? And the children were innocent victims, just because they were there and needed to be silenced or fought to protect their parents? It is so sad.

And in a small community like Beason, I am sure family and friends would be the first suspects, even with drugs as the motive. Not a lot of outside traffice in the community. Meth has crossed my mind, but have not seen/heard any of the neighbors comment (and they were initially talking). Meth has very distinct characteristics. Not ruling anything out - just thinking out loud.

Even if drugs were not the motive, I still want to believe that Jason and Chris were under the influence. No sane/sober person would think to murder an entire family, especially the children.

Lots of possible motives, and many unanswered questions. Apppreciate the brainstorming.

I just don't see drugs as the reason. Rick's home sat right by the main road going into Beason yet it had been 9 years since Rick was charged with having pot. I just don't see how drugs could have been going in and out of there without LE knowing, that surely patrolled that road on a daily basis. I just don't see Nichols clueless about his county or the people in it yet not one arrest in 9 years.

And why in the world would they come there and kill them all if it was about drugs and the family caught them breaking in to steal the drugs? Rick couldn't report them to LE admitting he had a drug stash they were trying to steal.

The drug motive makes no sense to me. Why this happened imo is like you have said with families and exes involved it runs much deeper than that and is very personal.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Do you have a feeling this was premeditated, or do you think an argument escalated that night? You have to wonder, why Jason was there in the first place.....

I think it was planned and that is why Jason went with him.

Since they are charged with the top counts of first degrees and not second degrees, which would be more like you have posted (argument escalated) I think the DA and LE thinks these were premeditated crimes.

imo

[clueless]

Child Support Enforcement intercepts Federal income tax refunds from deadbeat dads on delinquent Child Support debts.

IM4----Does the money go into some type of Trust Fund for the remaining children? Or is that up to the guardian?

[clueless]

I don't think these crimes were copy cat murders. Unfortunately family dynamics go on all across this country and things like this do happen when family members or exes are involved.

Yes, in the Heinz case his brother did hint that there may have been drugs in the home and he said his brother may bear some responsibility for that, even though the younger brother believes his brother did not commit the crimes, which I think is normal for family members to want to believe. But I don't think those murders happened because of drugs, Now he may have been using drug at the time though. I think it was much more personal that that. I always felt in that case it was some type of rejection Heinz felt that caused his uncontrollable rage.

imo

Wasn't there something about a $25,000 payment to the father for a damaged trailer or something?? Sorry I did not follow this story--just heard dib and dabs or the TV.

[GentleBreeze]

Wasn't there something about a $25,000 payment to the father for a damaged trailer or something?? Sorry I did not follow this story--just heard dib and dabs or the TV.

That was mentioned however when the Judge awarded his father a
25K settlement the company was appealing the decision.

imo

[IM4Truth]

IM4----Does the money go into some type of Trust Fund for the remaining children? Or is that up to the guardian?

I don't have the anwer to that, I just know they do intercept income tax refunds because CSE is in line first to get it before the agency I work for does.

[JoAnn]

I don't think these crimes were copy cat murders. Unfortunately family dynamics go on all across this country and things like this do happen when family members or exes are involved.

Yes, in the Heinz case his brother did hint that there may have been drugs in the home and he said his brother may bear some responsibility for that, even though the younger brother believes his brother did not commit the crimes, which I think is normal for family members to want to believe. But I don't think those murders happened because of drugs, Now he may have been using drug at the time though. I think it was much more personal that that. I always felt in that case it was some type of rejection Heinz felt that caused his uncontrollable rage.

imo

I didn't think this was a copycat murder either, was only pointing out the similarities and wondered if the Trailer Park murders could have planted a thought into a unstable mind..don't think I am explaining it very well so will just drop that thought.

Interesting take on the Heinz murders, I never once thought of feelings of rejection as a motive, but I didn't stay with the case after his arrest, so you must have read more on it than I did, as a matter of fact..did they ever release a motive ?

[GentleBreeze]

I didn't think this was a copycat murder either, was only pointing out the similarities and wondered if the Trailer Park murders could have planted a thought into a unstable mind..don't think I am explaining it very well so will just drop that thought.

Interesting take on the Heinz murders, I never once thought of feelings of rejection as a motive, but I didn't stay with the case after his arrest, so you must have read more on it than I did, as a matter of fact..did they ever release a motive ?

I do understand what you are saying Joann. It is just my opinion which may be wrong that it wasn't a copy cat killing but who knows maybe the suspects here did start thinking about it if they even were aware of that case.

No, they have not released the motive but in a lot of cases these days LE and the DA do not comment on motive before the trial. All PC Doering has said publicly is they have arrested the man who did these murders and knows he acted alone and has the evidence to prove it. I doubt we will hear anymore until maybe another hearing is scheduled in the future.

I doubt we will get any information concerning the motive in this case either.

imo

[Katherine]

I think it was planned and that is why Jason went with him.

Since they are charged with the top counts of first degrees and not second degrees, which would be more like you have posted (argument escalated) I think the DA and LE thinks these were premeditated crimes.

imo

Could they be charged with first degree murder if they were going to commit another felony, and the murders resulted from this? Or if they brought weapons, with maybe the intent to harm, could that result in the first degree murder charge? I only know the very basics of first and second degree, but thought I had read this somewhere.

It's so hard for me to believe it was premeditated (which I'm sure is why I am looking for alternatives) with all those kids in the house. Can't imagine anyone planning a murder, especially of children.

[JoAnn]

Could they be charged with first degree murder if they were going to commit another felony, and the murders resulted from this? Or if they brought weapons, with maybe the intent to harm, could that result in the first degree murder charge? I only know the very basics of first and second degree, but thought I had read this somewhere.

It's so hard for me to believe it was premeditated (which I'm sure is why I am looking for alternatives) with all those kids in the house. Can't imagine anyone planning a murder, especially of children.
--
IMO
Here's a thought,maybe Chris and Jason did not take weapons to the house, maybe the weapons used were from the Gee house???

Another thought is, could they have come over not looking for a confrontation but maybe to sneak in and steal something..money or whatever. And Rick heard them ...went to investigate and just grabbed something up from the house to use as a weapon against unknown prowlers...and it just went from bad to worse and the weapon was wrestled away from Rick and then used on him..same with Ruth, maybe she grabbed something to defend herself and her children and the weapon was used on her also...could it turn out that the weapon(s) used are actually something from the Gee's home itself.?

[GentleBreeze]

Could they be charged with first degree murder if they were going to commit another felony, and the murders resulted from this? Or if they brought weapons, with maybe the intent to harm, could that result in the first degree murder charge? I only know the very basics of first and second degree, but thought I had read this somewhere.

It's so hard for me to believe it was premeditated (which I'm sure is why I am looking for alternatives) with all those kids in the house. Can't imagine anyone planning a murder, especially of children.

I would think if they were in the commission of committing another felony (like robbery) they would also have those charges against them. The use of a bludgeoning weapon can be used as an enhancement to the original charges in a lot of states and can add time to the sentence. Not sure about Illinois. But if they brought weapons there that indeed does show aforethought and premeditation.

Even if they claimed the first victim was done in a heat of passion moment the minute they decided to kill the rest, including defenseless children, their intent was to murder and they had to have aforethought which can be a decision made within seconds. As long as they thought about it and carried it through it is a premeditated act.

Unfortunately children are murdered all too often. Sometimes by either of their parents and sometimes simply because they can identify the perpretrator(s). These defendants would have to make a conscious decision to kill everyone else and tried to even kill the three year old, so that to me is first degree premeditation all the way.

JMO though

[kennedy06]

--
IMO
Here's a thought,maybe Chris and Jason did not take weapons to the house, maybe the weapons used were from the Gee house???

Another thought is, could they have come over not looking for a confrontation but maybe to sneak in and steal something..money or whatever. And Rick heard them ...went to investigate and just grabbed something up from the house to use as a weapon against unknown prowlers...and it just went from bad to worse and the weapon was wrestled away from Rick and then used on him..same with Ruth, maybe she grabbed something to defend herself and her children and the weapon was used on her also...could it turn out that the weapon(s) used are actually something from the Gee's home itself.?

You might be onto something there.

[GentleBreeze]

--
IMO
Here's a thought,maybe Chris and Jason did not take weapons to the house, maybe the weapons used were from the Gee house???

Another thought is, could they have come over not looking for a confrontation but maybe to sneak in and steal something..money or whatever. And Rick heard them ...went to investigate and just grabbed something up from the house to use as a weapon against unknown prowlers...and it just went from bad to worse and the weapon was wrestled away from Rick and then used on him..same with Ruth, maybe she grabbed something to defend herself and her children and the weapon was used on her also...could it turn out that the weapon(s) used are actually something from the Gee's home itself.?

But why try to murder Tabitha too? They all were attacked the same way

If it went down that way then I think they are going to both get the death penalty. If they dared come into that home to steal and the family there tried to defend themselves from the home invaders and this is what happened to them then it shows the brutality of the suspects that had no legal reason to be in the home in the first place if they came there to steal. You would think though if it had to do with stealing anything though the DA would have charged them with robbery. One doesn't even have to remove any items from the home to be charged with burglary/robbery there just has an intent to rob.

I don't know what weapons they used but they must have removed them from the home when they left since LE was supposedly searching for the weapons.

imo

[JoAnn]

I do understand what you are saying Joann. It is just my opinion which may be wrong that it wasn't a copy cat killing but who knows maybe the suspects here did start thinking about it if they even were aware of that case.

No, they have not released the motive but in a lot of cases these days LE and the DA do not comment on motive before the trial. All PC Doering has said publicly is they have arrested the man who did these murders and knows he acted alone and has the evidence to prove it. I doubt we will hear anymore until maybe another hearing is scheduled in the future.

I doubt we will get any information concerning the motive in this case either.

imo

aww I just couldn't find the way to describe what I meant about how sometimes reading about something horrific can lurk in your subconscious and can influence your actions later on in your life...it wasn't written well and even now I can't quite explain what I meant and to late to edit it out..lol.

But I was curious if you had a bit of info you had read about the Heinz murders for I didn't follow the news on them after the arrest.

PLUS my frustration level is high right now..I am typing on one of those little 10 inch notebooks and it is just about to drive me to drink.(main laptop is out of commission temporarily) and the keys are tight on this little keyboard...may need to go back to lurking or only one word posts.

[kennedy06]

Don't lurk! you have some good ideas and theories as does everyone else. It will be interesting to see what comes of all of this. We really have little to go on, we have no idea where the bodies were found except blood was seen when the door opened that afternoon, what the weapon was, so many other things we hear come out in trials.

[GentleBreeze]

Bringing this over from the locked thread.

Christopher Harris:

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF171,IL054025JL2009CF171D1

Count 1 Ticket Number: 171 09/21/2009
Charge 1 None MURDER/INTENT TO KILL /INJURE Original Class M Felony
Count 2 Ticket Number: 171 09/21/2009
Charge 1 None MURDER/INTENT TO KILL/INJURE Original Class M Felony
Count 3 Ticket Number: 171 09/21/2009
Charge 1 None MURDER/INTENT TO KILL/INJURE Original Class M Felony
Count 4 Ticket Number: 171 09/21/2009
Charge 1 None MURDER/INTENT TO KILL/INJURE Original Class M Felony
Count 5 Ticket Number: 171 09/21/2009
Charge 1 None MURDER/INTENT TO KILL /INJURE Original Class M Felony
Count 6 Ticket Number: 171 09/21/2009
Charge 1 Attempted MURDER/INTENT TO KILL /INJURE

Add Jason Harris' information is the same.

imo

[clueless]

They had a subpena for The John Warner Hospital in Clinton. This wouldn't have been for autospy???

Do you think Chris had gone there for treatment of wounds after the fact? He might have had injuries on his torso or even on his head or face that were not apparent in the photos.

[TennB]

They had a subpena for The John Warner Hospital in Clinton. This wouldn't have been for autospy???

Do you think Chris had gone there for treatment of wounds after the fact? He might have had injuries on his torso or even on his head or face that were not apparent in the photos.

Where did you find that information about the subpena for the hospital in Clinton? I didn't think any of that had been released yet. I'm new at this, and must admit I'm a little out of my element here.

[m3t00]

12/28/1994 MILLER, GERALD L
POSS CANNABIS/30-500 GRAM/SUBQ - Class 3 Felony
link (http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,1994CF125,IL054025JL1994CF125D1)
Plead Guilty - 06/28/1995

07/25/1995 GEE, RAYMOND F
POSSESS CANNABIS/>500 GRAMS Class 4 Felony
Unknown Charge - Class 2 Felony - Dismissed, likely was Intent to Distribute
link (http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_dispositions.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,1995CF158,IL054025JL1995CF158D1)

The point I wanted to make here is that both were arrested with above average quantities of cannabis. 28 grams is 1 oz. and casual users don't generally walk around with more than an ounce. They got caught with "dealer" size quantities. Something I've learned over the years is when people get busted it is usually just the tip of the iceberg for how deeply involved they actually are. Someone who gets a DUI has driven drunk hundreds of times. And after getting caught they will stop the activity only for a while. There is still a circle of friends that enable the habits to continue. If dealing was a source of income and there is nothing to replace it then chances are high that it will continue.

Look at recent pictures of either Gee or Miller. Both have long shoulder length hair. Do I have to tell you which stereotype this fits?

When I read the rumors about "drug house" and Dale Earnest saying "they thought the mother and father sold drugs, and they were wondering if it was something gone bad (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13546835&postcount=68)", I am inclined to believe there is some truth to it.

Pure speculation:
Nicole may have resented her father's activities and if Chris were also involved, either dealing or just buying, that would make things even more unbearable for her. But not enough to kill anyone over. Maybe Chris and Jason went there armed with the intent to steal drugs or drug money and things went bad? That will still get you 1st degree murder if someone is killed during the commission of a felony without malice of forethought.

On a side note it is interesting that a month after Miller plead guilty, Gee gets arrested. Ruth Constant was with Miller at this time and 2 years later(1997) she married Gee. I wonder if Miller and Gee were "business" associates or just how Ruth and Rick met. Anyone know?

[CaliforniaGr]

It is a bit grainy, but it looks different from the redness on his face. Maybe "deeper" or "more pronounced". Also, at the base of his hairline on the back of the neck, right side again, it has the same look.

Sorry to repeat myself, but in case my other post was missed, it looks to me like an injury all along the outside of the right ear in Jason's mug shot. It is more red and pronounced than the blushing redness of Jason's face and looks like an injury. There also looks like an injury at the base of the hairline on the back of the neck, right side. The info about hospital records is in the on-line court records and they are also wanting Verizon's records.

[CaliforniaGr]

Sorry to repeat myself, but in case my other post was missed, it looks to me like an injury all along the outside of the right ear in Jason's mug shot. It is more red and pronounced than the blushing redness of Jason's face and looks like an injury. The info about hospital records is in the on-line court records and they are also wanting Verizon's records.

The link is on post #33. Sorry, I don't know how to attach a link.

[clueless]

Where did you find that information about the subpena for the hospital in Clinton? I didn't think any of that had been released yet. I'm new at this, and must admit I'm a little out of my element here.

Go to post #114, click on highlighted "judici" link and click on history.

[IM4Truth]

They had a subpena for The John Warner Hospital in Clinton. This wouldn't have been for autospy???

Do you think Chris had gone there for treatment of wounds after the fact? He might have had injuries on his torso or even on his head or face that were not apparent in the photos.

Interesting, subponeas also file for cell phone companies. These subp. were all filed just as recent as 10/08. Why wait so long for cell phone info on Chris? Wouldn't that have been done immediately?

[desmom]

Interesting, subponeas also file for cell phone companies. These subp. were all filed just as recent as 10/08. Why wait so long for cell phone info on Chris? Wouldn't that have been done immediately?

They were sent to two different providers? Are they for Chris' phone? Or are they for some other individual's phone records that had exchanged text or phone calls with Chris?

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF171,IL054025JL2009CF171D1

Entered: 10/08/2009
Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to Dr. John Warner Hospital Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to Dr. John Warner Hospital Filed. Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to Verizon Wireless Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to Verizon Wireless Filed. Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to U.S. Cellular Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to U.S. Cellular Filed. Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to U.S. Cellular Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to U.S. Cellular Filed.

:shrug:

[IM4Truth]

They were sent to two different providers? Are they for Chris' phone? Or are they for some other individual's phone records that had exchanged text or phone calls with Chris?

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF171,IL054025JL2009CF171D1

Entered: 10/08/2009
Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to Dr. John Warner Hospital Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to Dr. John Warner Hospital Filed. Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to Verizon Wireless Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to Verizon Wireless Filed. Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to U.S. Cellular Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to U.S. Cellular Filed. Subpoena Duces Tecum showing service by mail as to U.S. Cellular Filed.

Notice of Subpoena Duces Tecum as to U.S. Cellular Filed.

:shrug:

The cell phone thing doesn't have me reeling as much as the hospital thing. Remember that is how they caught Mike Drabing. He had cut himself (in the leg I iird) with his own knife and was arrested at Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital in Lincoln. Could the killers have been wounded in other areas that maybe we can't see? Possibly a cut in the leg or foot? DNA from that found at the scene? Sheriff hinted that the perp might seek medical help.

[darcie]

Hi everyone.

I am sitting here thinking about what would cause a *family situation* to turn bad.....with results so horible as this.

The only thing that would make me go *loco* on someone would be they hurt my child, my husband, or someone that I cared deeply for. (Such as physical, mental, sexual abuse)



Maybe the family KNEW something and threatened to reveal whatever it was and the ending results would hurt Chris' children or Nichole OR maybe jeopardize the renewed relationship he had with them.

Just a thought. This case is just hard to stomach. I am not much of a sluether. I read......and follow along, so you all keep up the good work.

MOO

[desmom]

The cell phone thing doesn't have me reeling as much as the hospital thing. Remember that is how they caught Mike Drabing. He had cut himself (in the leg I iird) with his own knife and was arrested at Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital in Lincoln. Could the killers have been wounded in other areas that maybe we can't see? Possibly a cut in the leg or foot? DNA from that found at the scene? Sheriff hinted that the perp might seek medical help.

I had to look up Dr. John Warner Hospital. It is in Clinton. The hospital staff may have known they treated Chris, without a subpoena wouldn't HIPAA stop them from releasing that info?

There are a lot of hospitals where he could have gone for medical treatment:

Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital, Lincoln
Bromenn Regional Medical Center, Normal
OSF St. Joseph Medical Center, Bloomington
Dr. John Warner Hospital, Clinton
St. Mary's Hospital, Decatur
Decatur Memorial Hospital, Decatur
Memorial Medical Center
Memorial Health System, Springfield
St. John's Hospital, Springfield

Plus all the prompt care/urgent cares.

Maybe LE found a recent Rx or a receipt during a search of the truck or while searching Jason and Jennifer's house and that is why they applied for the subpoena.

jmo

[IM4Truth]

I had to look up Dr. John Warner Hospital. It is in Clinton. The hospital staff may have known they treated Chris, without a subpoena wouldn't HIPAA stop them from releasing that info?

There are a lot of hospitals where he could have gone for medical treatment:

Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital, Lincoln
Bromenn Regional Medical Center, Normal
OSF St. Joseph Medical Center, Bloomington
Dr. John Warner Hospital, Clinton
St. Mary's Hospital, Decatur
Decatur Memorial Hospital, Decatur
Memorial Medical Center
Memorial Health System, Springfield
St. John's Hospital, Springfield

Plus all the prompt care/urgent cares.

Maybe LE found a recent Rx or a receipt during a search of the truck or while searching Jason and Jennifer's house and that is why they applied for the subpoena.

jmo

The Clinton hospital and the Lincoln hospital would be about the same distance from Beason. If Chris was injured that night and needed medical assistance (maybe stitches) they might have just chose Clinton from having lived there before and perhaps more acquainted with it than Lincoln. Scripts were a good thought too though. However, if Chris had an injury that needed that kind of attention, I would think Nicole would have known that.

[desmom]

The Clinton hospital and the Lincoln hospital would be about the same distance from Beason. If Chris was injured that night and needed medical assistance (maybe stitches) they might have just chose Clinton from having lived there before and perhaps more acquainted with it than Lincoln. Scripts were a good thought too though. However, if Chris had an injury that needed that kind of attention, I would think Nicole would have known that.

Maybe she did know about the injury, but her heart would not allow her to accept it.

I think we have all been in a position when we have learned something about a family member or a friend that we could not accept as the truth. jmo

[Katherine]

The cell phone subpoenas could be for so many players...there were a lot of folks talking at the beginning and one has to wonder who Chris/Jason called. Also, if drugs is a possibility, many who engage in this "business" have more than one phone. Maybe they just learned of the others?

And while I'm reaching here, maybe Jason was the one treated at the hospital. There have been statements that Chris had no marks, but I have not heard that about Jason (although I could have missed it).

I agree the murder weapon could have been "grabbed" at the Gee residence. With Rick in construction, there would be many blunt objects to choose from. Maybe the boys went to get drugs/drug money, and when Rick couldn't produce, they lost it. There would be no fear of Rick calling the police initially if he was involved (not to "smear" the victims - just to pose a theory). And in my opinion, sadly, I think the perps believed they had killed Tabitha. She was critically wounded. I think if they had meant to keep her alive, she would not have been harmed at all.

[IM4Truth]

The cell phone subpoenas could be for so many players...there were a lot of folks talking at the beginning and one has to wonder who Chris/Jason called. Also, if drugs is a possibility, many who engage in this "business" have more than one phone. Maybe they just learned of the others?

And while I'm reaching here, maybe Jason was the one treated at the hospital. There have been statements that Chris had no marks, but I have not heard that about Jason (although I could have missed it).

I agree the murder weapon could have been "grabbed" at the Gee residence. With Rick in construction, there would be many blunt objects to choose from. Maybe the boys went to get drugs/drug money, and when Rick couldn't produce, they lost it. There would be no fear of Rick calling the police initially if he was involved (not to "smear" the victims - just to pose a theory). And in my opinion, sadly, I think the perps believed they had killed Tabitha. She was critically wounded. I think if they had meant to keep her alive, she would not have been harmed at all.

The cell phone and hospital subpoenas are only on Chris's record, not Jason's. So it looks like it is referring back to Chris.

[IM4Truth]

Maybe she did know about the injury, but her heart would not allow her to accept it.

I think we have all been in a position when we have learned something about a family member or a friend that we could not accept as the truth. jmo

Exactly ITA. I've had men lie to me so many times to try cover the truth that I could never be sure when it was the truth.

[Katherine]

The cell phone and hospital subpoenas are only on Chris's record, not Jason's. So it looks like it is referring back to Chris.

Thanks for the clarification. Obviously, I did not look closely....

[IM4Truth]

Thanks for the clarification. Obviously, I did not look closely....

As soon as I read it I immediately checked up Jason and Jennifer. I'm thinking it was Chris. Maybe he lost his first phone at the site and then got another one? Could you keep the same phone number with another provider?

[desmom]

As soon as I read it I immediately checked up Jason and Jennifer. I'm thinking it was Chris. Maybe he lost his first phone at the site and then got another one? Could you keep the same phone number with another provider?

BBM - Yes you can keep the same number.

Why would he switch providers? If he was still under contract with his original provider, he would be responsible for the penalty fees for early cancellation or the payments until the contract ran out.

[Katherine]

As soon as I read it I immediately checked up Jason and Jennifer. I'm thinking it was Chris. Maybe he lost his first phone at the site and then got another one? Could you keep the same phone number with another provider?

You can keep the same phone number, but maybe he didn't want to.....simply so it could not be traced back to him. You can buy those "to go" phones with no ID at all.

[CaliforniaGr]

Interesting, subponeas also file for cell phone companies. These subp. were all filed just as recent as 10/08. Why wait so long for cell phone info on Chris? Wouldn't that have been done immediately?

They probably did get the cell phone records immediately and used those records as part of the basis for the arrest warrant. Now the witness called for the cell phone companies have to physically bring the cell records into court for the evidence portion of the hearing as to why LE are accusing them of the crime. The phone company witness will explain all the pings off cell towers, etc.

[JoAnn]

Time is short for me today and I haven't read all the postings about the subpoena's...was it determined the subpoena for the Dr was about Chris?

IMO

Could the Dr. have received a subpoena for other reasons than for treating a injury to Chris? I know they used their own crime labs but is it possible he assisted or handled some of the evidence, he is not the coroner is he?

Could he have been subpoenaed for expert testimony?...has anyone researched the doc to see if he specializes in a particular field (I have a friend that specialized in blood spatters and was often used for expert testimony) and if the doc. works in the ER..which I would assume that is where a injured person would go for treatment

So many reasons why a person could receive a subpoena, but yet in a crime like this, you do lean towards the thought that he may have treated a injury to one of the Harris boys.

[AmndaRcknwth]

The cell phone subpoenas could be for so many players...there were a lot of folks talking at the beginning and one has to wonder who Chris/Jason called. Also, if drugs is a possibility, many who engage in this "business" have more than one phone. Maybe they just learned of the others?

And while I'm reaching here, maybe Jason was the one treated at the hospital. There have been statements that Chris had no marks, but I have not heard that about Jason (although I could have missed it).

I agree the murder weapon could have been "grabbed" at the Gee residence. With Rick in construction, there would be many blunt objects to choose from. Maybe the boys went to get drugs/drug money, and when Rick couldn't produce, they lost it. There would be no fear of Rick calling the police initially if he was involved (not to "smear" the victims - just to pose a theory). And in my opinion, sadly, I think the perps believed they had killed Tabitha. She was critically wounded. I think if they had meant to keep her alive, she would not have been harmed at all.


Where has it been released that Chris had no injuries?
All I've seen is Nicole's blog entry on MySpace.
Which could be total bs... She put in that story of how Chris was upset to clean a fish, but the guy hunts, right? One excludes the other, imo.

[AmndaRcknwth]

To address a post upthread...

Hospitals will not release any medical records without a subpoena.
Not even to a family member.

[corbi77]

Didn't Nicole just graduate nursing school? I would think that if she did and there was any sort of injury on Chris, she would/could have attended to it.
If she did, I am sure LE quizzed her about it thoroughly, to where she would have had to question his innocence. But, she still maintains his innocence. That leads me to believe Chris had no marks, scratches, or injuries.

I still am questioning if Jason had marks on his ear and neckline though. I can't tell if it is a flaw in the picture or not.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Didn't Nicole just graduate nursing school? I would think that if she did and there was any sort of injury on Chris, she would/could have attended to it.
If she did, I am sure LE quizzed her about it thoroughly, to where she would have had to question his innocence. But, she still maintains his innocence. That leads me to believe Chris had no marks, scratches, or injuries.

I still am questioning if Jason had marks on his ear and neckline though. I can't tell if it is a flaw in the picture or not.

It does look like an injury but it is too grainy to tell. Also, between the murders and his arrest mugshot, there were about 17 days worth of healing.

[AmndaRcknwth]

People are still commenting on a Pantagraph article from a few days ago. I always find the comments sections interesting. Throw half of it out as bs and posters arguing with each other, and there is still interesting stuff.

No idea what is truth and what is rumor, so not posting the speculation here.

Here is the link to the Pantagraph:
http://pantagraph.com/news/local/article_681d0030-b47e-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments

[KittyMom]

Maybe someone bought a disposable phone?

[KittyMom]

http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_aac26881-8931-524b-a679-f4e4fc7b4539.html

Gerald Miller, father of 14-year-old victim Dillen Constant, was asked Friday if he was surprised by Jason Harris' arrest.

"I can almost believe it because Chris doesn't seem to be like the major brains of the operation. � He seems so mellow," said Miller, who previously said he was not well-acquainted with the Harris brothers.

The younger Harris "seems like a bigger fellow," Miller said.

[JoAnn]

People are still commenting on a Pantagraph article from a few days ago. I always find the comments sections interesting. Throw half of it out as bs and posters arguing with each other, and there is still interesting stuff.

No idea what is truth and what is rumor, so not posting the speculation here.

Here is the link to the Pantagraph:
http://pantagraph.com/news/local/article_681d0030-b47e-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments

--
Thank your for posting the link:

I haven't kept up on the comments there, but a LOT of spit spatting going on there. However if even a fraction of what I did read bout the condition they victims were found in...then it is even far worse than I imagined, and if any truth to it at all, it reinforces my thoughts that it was NOT about Nicole and Chris and their relationship.

That comment section at the Pantagraph makes this board look like a family trip to Disney.

[JoAnn]

If someone already posted this..I apologize in advance ...but I was curious and didn"t know what Duces Tecum meant (on the subpoenas)

here is definition:



SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM - A command to a witness to produce documents.

A writ or process of the same kind as the subpoena ad testificandum, including a clause requiring the witness to bring with him and produce to the court, books, papers, etc., in his hands, tending to elucidate the matter in issue.
-

[GentleBreeze]

If it began as a robbery, wouldn't the home be ramsacked even after they killed them all?

I would think so but if robbery was the motive the DA would have slapped those additional charges on them in a NY minute.

I dont think robbery or stealing drugs was the motive.

Imo, it goes much deeper than that when family members are interacting with ex family members.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

People are still commenting on a Pantagraph article from a few days ago. I always find the comments sections interesting. Throw half of it out as bs and posters arguing with each other, and there is still interesting stuff.

No idea what is truth and what is rumor, so not posting the speculation here.

Here is the link to the Pantagraph:
http://pantagraph.com/news/local/article_681d0030-b47e-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments

LOL! Sounds just like some other sites I have seen in other past cases and I think most of them are message board posters that comment on a lot of cases when they come out. They also will visit such sites as Pantagraph or another news site that has a poster discussion.

Sounds like a lot of gossip, rumors and speculation going on to me.

JMO

[IlliniFan]

--
Thank your for posting the link:

I haven't kept up on the comments there, but a LOT of spit spatting going on there. However if even a fraction of what I did read bout the condition they victims were found in...then it is even far worse than I imagined, and if any truth to it at all, it reinforces my thoughts that it was NOT about Nicole and Chris and their relationship.

That comment section at the Pantagraph makes this board look like a family trip to Disney.

i've been reading the Pantagraph site/comments for some time. They evidently changed their policy on what they allow through to be posted. They were much more selective about posting a few months ago. I am surprised they allow many of the comments through. I know people have complained in the past about them censoring, but it is their site - with rules. I guess the rules changed.

[JoAnn]

If it began as a robbery, wouldn't the home be ramsacked even after they killed them all?
--

IMO I don't think we know if the house was ransacked or not...and not to sound brutal but if what occurred in that household was as horrible as I have read at some other sites, even if there is truth in a fraction of what I read, then I don't know that you would necessarily know if the house had been ransacked.

[clueless]

Hi everyone.

I am sitting here thinking about what would cause a *family situation* to turn bad.....with results so horible as this.

The only thing that would make me go *loco* on someone would be they hurt my child, my husband, or someone that I cared deeply for. (Such as physical, mental, sexual abuse)



Maybe the family KNEW something and threatened to reveal whatever it was and the ending results would hurt Chris' children or Nichole OR maybe jeopardize the renewed relationship he had with them.

Just a thought. This case is just hard to stomach. I am not much of a sluether. I read......and follow along, so you all keep up the good work.

MOO

Absolutely. ITA.

I hope Illinois has a irreconcilable differences in their divoice laws now. It is not a light subject and to just pick as one of the choices for a "quick divorce" is not acceptable in my book. Mental abuse can at times be more devastating than physical. In dysfunctional families, they don't even realize they are involved in it.
It's considered "arguing". In passive/aggressive it's worse.

[clueless]

I had to look up Dr. John Warner Hospital. It is in Clinton. The hospital staff may have known they treated Chris, without a subpoena wouldn't HIPAA stop them from releasing that info?

There are a lot of hospitals where he could have gone for medical treatment:

Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital, Lincoln
Bromenn Regional Medical Center, Normal
OSF St. Joseph Medical Center, Bloomington
Dr. John Warner Hospital, Clinton
St. Mary's Hospital, Decatur
Decatur Memorial Hospital, Decatur
Memorial Medical Center
Memorial Health System, Springfield
St. John's Hospital, Springfield

Plus all the prompt care/urgent cares.

Maybe LE found a recent Rx or a receipt during a search of the truck or while searching Jason and Jennifer's house and that is why they applied for the subpoena. jmo

Good point.

[clueless]

Time is short for me today and I haven't read all the postings about the subpoena's...was it determined the subpoena for the Dr was about Chris?

IMO

Could the Dr. have received a subpoena for other reasons than for treating a injury to Chris? I know they used their own crime labs but is it possible he assisted or handled some of the evidence, he is not the coroner is he?

Could he have been subpoenaed for expert testimony?...has anyone researched the doc to see if he specializes in a particular field (I have a friend that specialized in blood spatters and was often used for expert testimony) and if the doc. works in the ER..which I would assume that is where a injured person would go for treatment

So many reasons why a person could receive a subpoena, but yet in a crime like this, you do lean towards the thought that he may have treated a injury to one of the Harris boys.

I imagine he could be subpenaed to testify why someone was being treated. I'm sure they (doctor or medical personnel ) ask them "What happen or How did you get this injury." Maybe even as to who was with him.

[clueless]

http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_aac26881-8931-524b-a679-f4e4fc7b4539.html

Seems to me I recall a quote from Gerald saying he did not know Chris...(Don't know which paper, but it wasn't here and from blogs.) Unless I'm reading this from the wrong perspective....interesting.

[clueless]

Maybe it was a throw away phone. The ones where you buy minutes?
Can those be traced?

Absolutely.

[Katherine]

Absolutely. ITA.

I hope Illinois has a irreconcilable differences in their divoice laws now. It is not a light subject and to just pick as one of the choices for a "quick divorce" is not acceptable in my book. Mental abuse can at times be more devastating than physical. In dysfunctional families, they don't even realize they are involved in it.
It's considered "arguing". In passive/aggressive it's worse.

Irreconcilable differences are one of the most common reasons, if not the most common reason, for divorces in Illinois. I know it has been posted that a 2 year separation is required, but that is not true. That time period can easily be waived. On the other hand, at least in my county, mental cruelty is much harder to prove. It may have been easier for Chris and Nicole, as it appears he did not show up for court, so there was no one to dispute the abuse. In my experience, when the disputes arise, a qualified professional becomes involved unless the divorce is granted via "irreconcilable differences."

[clueless]

Irreconcilable differences are one of the most common reasons, if not the most common reason, for divorces in Illinois. I know it has been posted that a 2 year separation is required, but that is not true. That time period can easily be waived. On the other hand, at least in my county, mental cruelty is much harder to prove. It may have been easier for Chris and Nicole, as it appears he did not show up for court, so there was no one to dispute the abuse. In my experience, when the disputes arise, a qualified professional becomes involved unless the divorce is granted via "irreconcilable differences."

Thanks for input. Glad to hear it. The only negative side to ID for cause is you don't get to the truth of the matter if it is in fact an abusive situation. Sometimes fear of retaliation is present.

[clueless]

Interesting, subponeas also file for cell phone companies. These subp. were all filed just as recent as 10/08. Why wait so long for cell phone info on Chris? Wouldn't that have been done immediately?


LE probably had a full plate to deal with here. I'm thinking more urgent evidence was their priority to resolve. This was probably just after the fact and tidying up. Remember there is more investigation ongoing. IMO

[TennB]

--
Thank your for posting the link:

I haven't kept up on the comments there, but a LOT of spit spatting going on there. However if even a fraction of what I did read bout the condition they victims were found in...then it is even far worse than I imagined, and if any truth to it at all, it reinforces my thoughts that it was NOT about Nicole and Chris and their relationship.

That comment section at the Pantagraph makes this board look like a family trip to Disney.

We have been told little by LE, however, I can say that most of what you are reading in the comments from the Pantagraph concerning the injuries done to the family is just rumor and nothing more.

[darcie]

I have a feeling it was something (for lack of a better word) intimate. Very, very personal....and whatever it was was a threat to Chris and his family.

Not guessing drugs, but wouldn't be surprised of drug use, maybe a little local selling of pot, small quantities. Nothing major to cause a nightmare like this. I don't think that just because the victims had long hair and *looked to fit the part* as the post above states. Drug usage can't be identified by a person's looks. I figure there are more than I can count of politicians, judges, lawyers, doctors, professional *short haired people*that could be considered druggies by their usage alone.

Something horrible was going on in that house, or something horrible was fixing to happen.....and it wasn't going to have a good result either way.

LE seems to pretty certain of things, I am gonna trust them when they say they have the Gee fmily murderers.:sad:

-----
But i'm a woman....so I can change my mind on that at any given time! lol:biggrin:

[JoAnn]

We have been told little by LE, however, I can say that most of what you are reading in the comments from the Pantagraph concerning the injuries done to the family is just rumor and nothing more.

I can only hope that is all they are, the death of almost an entire family is pretty rough to think about, so lets hope what they have posted over there is just nothing but vastly exaggerated rumor.

[VC2]

How can Nicole know Chris since she was 14yo, spend most of the last 10+ years with him, father his two children (one just recently), and not have the slightest clue that he hated her family so much as to brutally massacre them?

because he didn't need to hate them at all until he felt they were making Nicole rethink getting back together permanently with him.

He may have believed the 32k in back support would disappear if he remarried Nicole, plus any money troubles for him might be over since she had the house and was paying the bills for it (or had help from her parents to do so)

In these cases most of the time the perp is described as gentle, caring, kind, wouldn't hurt a fly. Loved everyone in their family, treated everyone with respect. The last person anyone would think of including their partner. Family, friends and neighbors are usually shell shocked and in disbelief that the person could be the guilty one. Most are great parents or at least seem to be from the outside. Doesn't stop them from slaughtering children though.

It takes a stresser most often and they just flip into that side of their personality they keep hidden..the angry, narcissistic and selfish part.

Happygert it is not ridiculous at all, if the Gee's were helping to support the house/bills of Nicole's and were unhappy about them getting back together permanently she may have hesitated. More importantly if they decided it was her decision but they would expect him to carry his share of the bills he may have gone ballistic because he 1. couldn't and 2. "how dare they tell me or her what to do"

Parents don't stop being parents just because their kids are 27. Kids don't stop wanting to avoid upsetting them just because they are older as well. And since Nicole said in the court documents there was some physical abuse as well as mental, there are reason's the Gee's would not be thrilled. Another thing, look at Chris's history of jobs, paying child support etc. Not the most adult i have come across to say the least. Nicole may also not have wanted to reconcile to the extent that he did, or still have doubts and felt it easier to put the "blame" on her parents than tell him she just had his baby but didn't want him moving back in permanently.

However as far as it being ridiculous..the opposite. Parental/in law interference in a relationship has been the reason for more than one set of family murders and of course with children as witnesses they had to go too. Even 3 year olds can tell people what happened and i have a suspicion that is part of the evidence that LE has along with lots of forensics.

imo

[CaliforniaGr]

--
Thank your for posting the link:

I haven't kept up on the comments there, but a LOT of spit spatting going on there. However if even a fraction of what I did read bout the condition they victims were found in...then it is even far worse than I imagined, and if any truth to it at all, it reinforces my thoughts that it was NOT about Nicole and Chris and their relationship.

That comment section at the Pantagraph makes this board look like a family trip to Disney.

I thought that no information has been released regarding the victim's conditions. Where did you read that at? Thanks

[airportwoman]

It wasn't Chris who owed the 32K in child support. It was the oldest boy's father, Gerald Miller, who AFAIK is not suspected of any involvement in this crime.

[TennB]

I thought that no information has been released regarding the victim's conditions. Where did you read that at? Thanks

I didn't read it. They are my family. LE released that info to us.

[Katherine]

I didn't read it. They are my family. LE released that info to us.

TennB, I am so sorry for your loss.

[TennB]

TennB, I am so sorry for your loss.

Thanks Katherine. It's been indescribably tough to deal with the deaths not to mention all of the rumors and gossip.

[JoAnn]

I didn't read it. They are my family. LE released that info to us.

I am so very very sorry and saddened by your loss, it must be very hard to come here and read postings from strangers (myself included), who are speculating on what and why this happened.

I am sure a lot of us forget that family and friends are here reading and maybe even posting. I am so sorry for what you have been thru and shall try to keep an awareness that family and friends of both families are reading these posts.

[Katherine]

It wasn't Chris who owed the 32K in child support. It was the oldest boy's father, Gerald Miller, who AFAIK is not suspected of any involvement in this crime.

That is my understanding too. As the money was for Dillen, I don't believe Nicole would have reaped any benefit from it.

[Amy]

I had to look up Dr. John Warner Hospital. It is in Clinton. The hospital staff may have known they treated Chris, without a subpoena wouldn't HIPAA stop them from releasing that info?

There are a lot of hospitals where he could have gone for medical treatment:

Abraham Lincoln Memorial Hospital, Lincoln
Bromenn Regional Medical Center, Normal
OSF St. Joseph Medical Center, Bloomington
Dr. John Warner Hospital, Clinton
St. Mary's Hospital, Decatur
Decatur Memorial Hospital, Decatur
Memorial Medical Center
Memorial Health System, Springfield
St. John's Hospital, Springfield

Plus all the prompt care/urgent cares.

Maybe LE found a recent Rx or a receipt during a search of the truck or while searching Jason and Jennifer's house and that is why they applied for the subpoena.

jmo

Where I work, no one talks to no one--media, police, etc without first going thru the adminstrator on call, or the PR person, otherwise, it would be a HIPPA violation.

I would imagine that, just like in serving search warrants to someone who has "agreed" to let LE search their home, it is best to cross all T's and dot all I's---have everything precise so that nothing can be held up for appeal.

[Amy]

It does look like an injury but it is too grainy to tell. Also, between the murders and his arrest mugshot, there were about 17 days worth of healing.

Is Armington so far away from Beason that if Jason had injuries, that wouldn't have been reported to LE when they were asking folks to look out for people with injuries? Especially if anyone who knew Jason also knew that his brother Chris was the ex of the woman whose family was murdered? Or, maybe someone did report that to LE, but you'd think Jason would have been arrested the same time as Chris, if he had injuries and Chris didn't. Or, even arrested before. Of course, I don't know what the evidence is that caused them to arrest Chris.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Is Armington so far away from Beason that if Jason had injuries, that wouldn't have been reported to LE when they were asking folks to look out for people with injuries? Especially if anyone who knew Jason also knew that his brother Chris was the ex of the woman whose family was murdered? Or, maybe someone did report that to LE, but you'd think Jason would have been arrested the same time as Chris, if he had injuries and Chris didn't. Or, even arrested before. Of course, I don't know what the evidence is that caused them to arrest Chris.

22.2 miles/47 minutes travel time according to this:

correcting the link, try this one: http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/map.jpg

My guess is that everyone in a 50 mile radius was looking for injured people and grey trucks.

[Amy]

--
Thank your for posting the link:

I haven't kept up on the comments there, but a LOT of spit spatting going on there. However if even a fraction of what I did read bout the condition they victims were found in...then it is even far worse than I imagined, and if any truth to it at all, it reinforces my thoughts that it was NOT about Nicole and Chris and their relationship.

That comment section at the Pantagraph makes this board look like a family trip to Disney.

I went cross eyed trying to read thru the posts, and the repetitive posts, and the repetitive, repetitive posts!!! Guess some of the "information" was basically locals who had heard the town gossip. What I find appalling is that someone from LE and/or the firefighters (first responders) are telling tales out of school, if they indeed are giving "inside" info to citizens. If it were my family and I heard of this, heads would be rolling, that's for sure. I understand human curiosity and wanting to be in the know, but if LE wanted this info spattered about, they would have provided it at a press conference. That is, if the "info" is indeed FACT.

I guess the problem I have w/it, is that, until it is officially release by LE, or comes out in trial, it's pretty much just rumor. And, of course, some rumors have lives of their own, like in the telephone game, where the sentence the first player says to the next is a totally different sentence by the time it gets back to the first. IMO

[Amy]

Seems to me I recall a quote from Gerald saying he did not know Chris...(Don't know which paper, but it wasn't here and from blogs.) Unless I'm reading this from the wrong perspective....interesting.

It was even in the article linked. But, I know I had read that before, too. Perhaps he was just going by what he had heard others say about the brothers? Seems that plenty of the local folk (obviously not all, by the comment section) seemed to think of Chris as a mild-mannered person. Perhaps the locals he was talking to influenced his opinion of the brothers? Still, seems that, after initially saying he didn't even know Chris, that he would say something like "I don't know the Harris brothers, so don't have any reason to be surprised or not surprised by the arrest."

I can't remember if it was he or his daughter Teri who was quoted as saying that Dillen had never mentioned Chris.

[CaliforniaGr]

I didn't read it. They are my family. LE released that info to us.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

[JoAnn]

I went cross eyed trying to read thru the posts, and the repetitive posts, and the repetitive, repetitive posts!!!
SNIPPED TO SHORTEN
I guess the problem I have w/it, is that, until it is officially release by LE, or comes out in trial, it's pretty much just rumor. And, of course, some rumors have lives of their own, like in the telephone game, where the sentence the first player says to the next is a totally different sentence by the time it gets back to the first. IMO

---
It was a very difficult place to try to find any information..and then when you do find something ...it is all,,, HE Said...She SAID...things. And I suppose that is the way it will be until info is released and that may not be till after the GJ or the trial.