10/8, 10/9

[Sun]

Good morning everyone!

http://www.wftv.com/news/21231754/detail.html

Also Wednesday, Casey's defense team got another 42 pages from prosecutors detailing forensic entomology reports from August 28 and December 11 of 2008. Those reports talked about the insects experts analyzed from the trunk of Casey's car and the scene where Caylee's remains were found.

[Sun]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21231257/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The murder case against Casey Anthony is heading back to a courtroom Oct 16th to try to resolve several motions filed by both sides. Strickland also set a status hearing in the check fraud case against Anthony for the same day as the hearing in the murder trial.


•Motion To Dismiss Due To Spoilation Of Evidence
Defense Motion (9/17/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972702/detail.html

•State's Response To Motion To Dismiss
State's Response (9/23/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21090992/detail.html


•State's Motion To Compel Reciprocal Discovery
State's Motion (9/10/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20838315/detail.html

•Defense's Response To State's Motion To Compel Reciprocal Discovery
Defense's Response (9/17/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972653/detail.html

•State's Motion To Strike Defense's Legally Flawed Motion
State's Motion to Strike (10/5/09): http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/1005%20Casey%20Motion.pdf

[Sun]

48 Hrs Mystery of Caylee Anthony's death is slated to air on CBS, Saturday, Oct 17th @ 10PM EST


This is airing just one day after Casey Anthony's next court hearing before Judge Strickland.

[LadyHam]

48 Hrs Mystery of Caylee Anthony's death is slated to air on CBS, Saturday, Oct 17th @ 10PM EST


This is airing just one day after Casey Anthony's next court hearing before Judge Strickland.

Wow, that is very interesting timing, huh? I know it wasn't planned, but it is such a coincidence.

[Dtviewer3]

Brought over from last nights thread:
'Originally posted by Katprint
Compared to her handwriting in other exemplars (her diary, her handwritten police statement, her forged checks) the signature doesn't look like it is in her handwriting. I honestly wonder whether Baez signed it himself, under some sort of "power of attorney" delusion he has. After all, Baez is the same guy who submitted an affidavit signed by "Todd Black" who turned out not to exist or alternatively to be an alias used by several different people. (Non-existence vs. fake identity is hairsplitting that really doesn't make a difference; my point is there is no real "Todd Black.") I do not blindly trust the authenticity of signatures on affidavits submitted by Baez.

Additionally, by submitting the affidavit, Casey waived her right against self-incrimination as to the statements in the affidavit. The prosecution should be allowed to cross-examine Casey about 1) whether she truly signed the affidavit, 2) the facts and circumstances surrounding the facts she asserted in the affidavit.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions '


The part I highlighted in red is very interesting. It reminds me of the mistake Baez made with the ZFG lawsuit when Casey counter-sued ZFG.
I remember all the Talking heads/Lawyers laughing at Baez because by Casey suing ZFG it would mean Casey would have to testify/answer questions.

This seems like the same type of mistake by Baez, though much more serious.

[Sun]

Wow, that is very interesting timing, huh? I know it wasn't planned, but it is such a coincidence.

I am not going to assume that it's not a coincidence. :wink:

[Sun]

Brought over from last nights thread:
'Originally posted by Katprint
Compared to her handwriting in other exemplars (her diary, her handwritten police statement, her forged checks) the signature doesn't look like it is in her handwriting. I honestly wonder whether Baez signed it himself, under some sort of "power of attorney" delusion he has. After all, Baez is the same guy who submitted an affidavit signed by "Todd Black" who turned out not to exist or alternatively to be an alias used by several different people. (Non-existence vs. fake identity is hairsplitting that really doesn't make a difference; my point is there is no real "Todd Black.") I do not blindly trust the authenticity of signatures on affidavits submitted by Baez.

Additionally, by submitting the affidavit, Casey waived her right against self-incrimination as to the statements in the affidavit. The prosecution should be allowed to cross-examine Casey about 1) whether she truly signed the affidavit, 2) the facts and circumstances surrounding the facts she asserted in the affidavit.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions '


The part I highlighted in red is very interesting. It reminds me of the mistake Baez made with the ZFG lawsuit when Casey counter-sued ZFG.
I remember all the Talking heads/Lawyers laughing at Baez because by Casey suing ZFG it would mean Casey would have to testify/answer questions.

This seems like the same type of mistake by Baez, though much more serious.

I noticed that while Baez did put "HIS" notary stamp on the Document signed by Casey, he failed to sign it.

[Bala]

I noticed that while Baez did put "HIS" notary stamp on the Document signed by Casey, he failed to sign it.
That's funny because when I read the document I thought that Casey's signature was strange. Most 22 year old girls would never sign their name like this. Just using initials is something you usual do as you get older. It just looks like scrible.

[Bala]

I am not going to assume that it's not a coincidence. :wink:
I guess CBS doesn't care how many viewers it loses. I hope everyone here will avoid watching and send the right message to both CBS and it's sponsors.

[Sun]

That's funny because when I read the document I thought that Casey's signature was strange. Most 22 year old girls would never sign their name like this. Just using initials is something you usual do as you get older. It just looks like scrible.

I remember doing a bit of research last year, when that scribble of a signature first appeared on Casey's legal documents. I though it so very odd that she appeared to be mimicing the way that Baez signed her legal documents. In my research, I vaguely remember finding a pre-July 15th signature that was the somewhat similar scrawl (not exact though). I found the earlier somewhat similar scrawl on something in the Discovery, maybe the Amscot or check fraud stuff.

[hello its me]

That's funny because when I read the document I thought that Casey's signature was strange. Most 22 year old girls would never sign their name like this. Just using initials is something you usual do as you get older. It just looks like scrible.

what's up with the Lyon sig, too? /s/ ?

[Sun]

what's up with the Lyon sig, too? /s/ ?

Lyon wasn't available to sign it, possibly. ????:unsure:

[hello its me]

Lyon wasn't available to sign it, possibly. ????:unsure:

shouldn't it say signed by proxy then? I'm not too trusting of any of them.

[BettyC]

what's up with the Lyon sig, too? /s/ ?

I noted that last night too. I decided to google it this morning -

/s/ is a representation of a signature in documents where the hand-written signature itself could not or was not scanned.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_slash_S_slash_mean_on_a_signature_line

[summer4meplz]

I guess CBS doesn't care how many viewers it loses. I hope everyone here will avoid watching and send the right message to both CBS and it's sponsors.

good morning all....I wouldn't miss the show for the world...I hope I am not disappointed but I think the show will be very hard hitting for the facts of the case and not a george and cindy pity party...

[onlykaty]

I guess CBS doesn't care how many viewers it loses. I hope everyone here will avoid watching and send the right message to both CBS and it's sponsors.

G'morning all

Is this show supposed to be about the Anthony's and their lies? :unsure:

[PrincessR]

good morning all....I wouldn't miss the show for the world...I hope I am not disappointed but I think the show will be very hard hitting for the facts of the case and not a george and cindy pity party...

Just a question how can that be when all the evidence is not out yet.

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone!

http://www.wftv.com/news/21231754/detail.html

Also Wednesday, Casey's defense team got another 42 pages from prosecutors detailing forensic entomology reports from August 28 and December 11 of 2008. Those reports talked about the insects experts analyzed from the trunk of Casey's car and the scene where Caylee's remains were found.

Good morning everyone..


Now this should be interesting...I wonder if Henry Lee knows much about insects? I believe be is only a blood splatter expert....:biggrin:

[Bala]

good morning all....I wouldn't miss the show for the world...I hope I am not disappointed but I think the show will be very hard hitting for the facts of the case and not a george and cindy pity party...

I will not watch any show where the Anthony's received a large sum of money to exploit their granddaughter's death and defend Casey. I feels strongly that we must not watch or we help exploit poor little Caylee's death.

[Barbara fl.]

Just a question how can that be when all the evidence is not out yet.

This is always done over and over....way before the trial begins and all evidence is not in yet....they will just base it on what they have so far....

At times it will favor a particular side...but I doubt that it will favor Casey Anthony in any way what so ever....

[PrincessR]

This is always done over and over....way before the trial begins and all evidence is not in yet....they will just base it on what they have so far....

At times it will favor a particular side...but I doubt that it will favor Casey Anthony in any way what so ever....

Thank you for you answer..I always remember 48hrs airing after the trials not before.

[KP1935]

This seems like the same type of mistake by Baez, though much more serious.

Is this another thing that Strickland will have to rectify so the OC can't come back with an ineffective counsel argument on appeal? If he (possibly) signed her name to a document that waived her right against self-incrimination that has to carry some big ethics violations, wouldn't it?

[onlykaty]

This is always done over and over....way before the trial begins and all evidence is not in yet....they will just base it on what they have so far....

At times it will favor a particular side...but I doubt that it will favor Casey Anthony in any way what so ever....


G & C must have been paid big money if they are going to be asked any hard questions. I'm of two ways about not watching it. I'd hate to miss a show that showed Casey for what she is.

[Barbara fl.]

I will not watch any show where the Anthony's received a large sum of money to exploit their granddaughter's death and defend Casey. I feels strongly that we must not watch or we help exploit poor little Caylee's death.


I only heard about this just now.....How are the Anthony's involved with it?

[hello its me]

I noted that last night too. I decided to google it this morning -

/s/ is a representation of a signature in documents where the hand-written signature itself could not or was not scanned.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_slash_S_slash_mean_on_a_signature_line


thanks! now I can maintain my lazy FLB title. :wink:

[Dtviewer3]

Is this another thing that Strickland will have to rectify so the OC can't come back with an ineffective counsel argument on appeal? If he (possibly) signed her name to a document that waived her right against self-incrimination that has to carry some big ethics violations, wouldn't it?

I'm not sure....we'll have to wait for one of our lawyers to ask.
Kat? Lapis? Impartial? Norwood? Anyone???????:confused:

[Bala]

I only heard about this just now.....How are the Anthony's involved with it?

CBS and 48 Hours have already stated that they paid the Anthony's or Cindy anyway for licensing fees. We all know what that means. Cindy was paid big bucks from 48 hours and CBS for her part in the show. If Cindy is so sure Casey is innocent wouldn't she be willing to do the show for free?

[martha]

good morning everyone,I have not been able to keep up with this case all week so I guess I have not missed much.I will keep checking because I want justice for CAYLEE and I know one day it will come.how long it will take well i just don;t know.maybe years I sure hope not.jmho:wub:

[Sun]

thanks! now I can maintain my lazy FLB title. :wink:

:wink: Gotcha!

I had just a little hope that we might get to see a few more pages of Discovery later today. I remember the media saying "this week" so I guess maybe tomorrow might be a better guess.

[Sun]

good morning everyone, I have not been able to keep up with this case all week so I guess I have not missed much. I will keep checking because I want justice for CAYLEE and I know one day it will come.how long it will take well i just don't know. maybe years I sure hope not. jmho :wub:

Good morning Martha. News this week is that their is a court hearing on Friday Oct 16th. Status on the criminal check/fraud case to be addressed that day. Yippie!!!!

[Sun]

Is this another thing that Strickland will have to rectify so the OC can't come back with an ineffective counsel argument on appeal? If he (possibly) signed her name to a document that waived her right against self-incrimination that has to carry some big ethics violations, wouldn't it?

What makes you believe that is not Casey's signature? She has signed her name somewhat similar to this in the past. Even prior to July 15, 2008.

[Barbara fl.]

CBS and 48 Hours have already stated that they paid the Anthony's or Cindy anyway for licensing fees. We all know what that means. Cindy was paid big bucks from 48 hours and CBS for her part in the show. If Cindy is so sure Casey is innocent wouldn't she be willing to do the show for free?


You certainly have a point...but are they getting their info from the Anthony's or is it just going to go on what the evidence shows?....I remember when they did it for Scott Peterson, and it didn't show him to be innocent.....just curious..

In any case, I doubt that my curiosity will be able to keep me away from watching it.....

[Barbara fl.]

good morning everyone,I have not been able to keep up with this case all week so I guess I have not missed much.I will keep checking because I want justice for CAYLEE and I know one day it will come.how long it will take well i just don;t know.maybe years I sure hope not.jmho:wub:


Good morning Martha,

I hope not also....I want to be around to see it....:laugh:

[summer4meplz]

Just a question how can that be when all the evidence is not out yet.

I think there's enough evidence out so far to show that all the anthonys lie .....they have used the murder of poor baby Caylee to pay their bills.....they had a very dysfunctional family before Caylee died....the people they have surrounded themselves with are scammers and felons.....imo

[onlykaty]

You certainly have a point...but are they getting their info from the Anthony's or is it just going to go on what the evidence shows?....I remember when they did it for Scott Peterson, and it didn't show him to be innocent.....just curious..

In any case, I doubt that my curiosity will be able to keep me away from watching it.....


Maybe Cindy will spew some more of her tales of what she knew about Zanny. One thing I never could understand, when Cindy said she had a ph. number or numbers for Zanny was this ever checked out for sure and why wasn't she asked for those numbers? I thought at the very beginning of this case she said she knew nothing about Zanny, other than her name.

[martha]

Good morning Martha. News this week is that their is a court hearing on Friday Oct 16th. Status on the criminal check/fraud case to be addressed that day. Yippie!!!!Thanks Sun that is so good to hear I hope he sets it soon. I just don;t want to get my hopes up tho. I know the def.will keep putting the trials of as long as they can because they don;t have anything to clean casey with.jmho:wub:

[impartial]

I'm not sure....we'll have to wait for one of our lawyers to ask.
Kat? Lapis? Impartial? Norwood? Anyone???????:confused:


Signing a client's name to a declaration under penalty of perjury without the authorization by the client is fraud, and would be much more than ineffective counsel.

Inadvertently causing the client to waive a fundamental constitutional right would be grounds for ineffective counsel if she was forced to testify.

imo

ETA ... for substituted signature, it must read the person's name, and then signed by ________, so the Court knows she didn't actually sign it herself, to make the determination if it is a valid declaration.

[martha]

Good morning Martha,

I hope not also....I want to be around to see it....:laugh:I want to be around to see it to but at my age who knows. I will keep reading all you good posters to keep up with what is going on.I see cindy and the family or making big bucks for the 48 hr show.jmho:wub:

[martha]

CBS and 48 Hours have already stated that they paid the Anthony's or Cindy anyway for licensing fees. We all know what that means. Cindy was paid big bucks from 48 hours and CBS for her part in the show. If Cindy is so sure Casey is innocent wouldn't she be willing to do the show for free?ITA with you,it has become all about the money not about CAYLEE so very sad.jmho:wub:

[coffee1950j]

You certainly have a point...but are they getting their info from the Anthony's or is it just going to go on what the evidence shows?....I remember when they did it for Scott Peterson, and it didn't show him to be innocent.....just curious..

In any case, I doubt that my curiosity will be able to keep me away from watching it.....

Out of curiosity I will probably also watch it. However, I DID send an email to the station requesting that they not "coddle" Cindy and/or any of the Anthony's and for them to ask really "hard" questions regarding Caylee's death. Told them I was sick and tired of hearing their lies and was truly hoping that they (the interviewers) NOT let all the lies just slide by.

Cited a few examples of "hard" questions to them. Such as the 31 days, death smell in car, wrong items being given to LE, items NOT being given to LE, etc.

Hopefully, these things will be covered. Which is why I will watch. However, if they "coddle" them again, I will follow up with another, raging this time, email.

[KP1935]

What makes you believe that is not Casey's signature? She has signed her name somewhat similar to this in the past. Even prior to July 15, 2008.

It was being discussed last night and was pointed out by Katprint in a post brought over at the top of this page that her signature appeared different.

[Scampi]

I guess CBS doesn't care how many viewers it loses. I hope everyone here will avoid watching and send the right message to both CBS and it's sponsors.

Respectfully disagree Bala. I applaud CBS for allowing the anthonys to once again make what I believe will be very inappropriate
remarks about their daughter and her murder trial.

They should keep their yaps shut, but of course the anthonys know it all and do not listen to sound advice no doubt given by their attorney, imo.

It has been my experience that the show 48 Hours is very fair and will give both sides to the viewers as shown by them having Diane Fanning on also. Gonna be a good show and I will not miss it.

[Armadillo]

I always thought Casey's new signature scroll was her trying to mimic JB's signature...she's important don't ya know...prolly fashions herself as an attorney now...plus we all know she is a chameleon and likes to become the people she's with. JMO

[Dtviewer3]

Signing a client's name to a declaration under penalty of perjury without the authorization by the client is fraud, and would be much more than ineffective counsel.

Inadvertently causing the client to waive a fundamental constitutional right would be grounds for ineffective counsel if she was forced to testify.

imo

ETA ... for substituted signature, it must read the person's name, and then signed by ________, so the Court knows she didn't actually sign it herself, to make the determination if it is a valid declaration.

I'm assuming it was another stupid mistake by Baez.
Same as when Casey counter sued ZFG and opened herself up to having to answer questions.

Stupid.

[KP1935]

Out of curiosity I will probably also watch it. However, I DID send an email to the station requesting that they not "coddle" Cindy and/or any of the Anthony's and for them to ask really "hard" questions regarding Caylee's death. Told them I was sick and tired of hearing their lies and was truly hoping that they (the interviewers) NOT let all the lies just slide by.

Cited a few examples of "hard" questions to them. Such as the 31 days, death smell in car, wrong items being given to LE, items NOT being given to LE, etc.

Hopefully, these things will be covered. Which is why I will watch. However, if they "coddle" them again, I will follow up with another, raging this time, email.

Not sure when you sent your e-mail, but I'm sure all the legwork is done on this episode, no time to go back and ask the hard questions now. And as such, I'll give you the Anthony's answers:

1. 31 days - Casey was scared and felt the family would be harmed if she said anything

2. death smell in car - we mispoke, it was an old pizza

3. Items to LE - we did all we could to help LE, they didn't listen to Casey or us

[onlykaty]

I always thought Casey's new signature scroll was her trying to mimic JB's signature...she's important don't ya know...prolly fashions herself as an attorney now...plus we all know she is a chameleon and likes to become the people she's with. JMO


Sort of like the sun glasses game she was so happy about playing with Rob Dick..I beleive that was his name..:rolleyes:

[Daffodil]

I must say I am confused by the statement that Casey signed. What is the purpose of having her sign this statement and what does this statement mean? TIA

[Sun]

I must say I am confused by the statement that Casey signed. What is the purpose of having her sign this statement and what does this statement mean? TIA

You are in very good company. Many of us don't understand it either. I found it very telling that the State's Response to Strike, is on the docket for Oct 16th, however the Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II is not. Seems like Judge Strickland will address the State's request to Strike the Motion, at that hearing.

Does anyone think that Casey will be pleased with any of Judge Strickland's rulings on Oct 16th? Or will this be a bad day for her?

[hello its me]

I must say I am confused by the statement that Casey signed. What is the purpose of having her sign this statement and what does this statement mean? TIA

I don't think that Jose's arguments will help us understand either. :blink:

[Scampi]

I think Judge Stan will ultimately give the order for the murder trial to go forward with the DP and I think he will set a date for the check fraud trial, before the murder trial.

So no, I don't think casey marie anthony will have a good day.

We will tho...... :thumbup:

[denjet]

I noticed that while Baez did put "HIS" notary stamp on the Document signed by Casey, he failed to sign it.
Hi Sun! Thanks for providing all the links on the new thread! It makes it so much easier ....
The fact that Jose didn't sign his notary seal is not as troubling to me as the fact that HE'S the one notarizing HIS own documents ... isn't that a bit of a conflict ??? I didn't realize that a defense attorney could notarize and attest to signatures being valid for a case they're defending ??? I'm sure that's probably the case with other motions and documents in the case but does anyone know if or why this is allowed?? :confused:

[hello its me]

Hi Sun! Thanks for providing all the links on the new thread! It makes it so much easier ....
The fact that Jose didn't sign his notary seal is not as troubling to me as the fact that HE'S the one notarizing HIS own documents ... isn't that a bit of a conflict ??? I didn't realize that a defense attorney could notarize and attest to signatures being valid for a case they're defending ??? I'm sure that's probably the case with other motions and documents in the case but does anyone know if or why this is allowed?? :confused:

good point. I guess it's not a problem as the State and the Judge haven't called him on it. And since he won't let anyone anywhere near Casey, he's all he's got.

[Spots]

Not sure when you sent your e-mail, but I'm sure all the legwork is done on this episode, no time to go back and ask the hard questions now. And as such, I'll give you the Anthony's answers:

1. 31 days - Casey was scared and felt the family would be harmed if she said anything

2. death smell in car - we mispoke, it was an old pizza

3. Items to LE - we did all we could to help LE, they didn't listen to Casey or us

Thank you . That saves me watching an hour of drivel.

[Sun]

I think Judge Stan will ultimately give the order for the murder trial to go forward with the DP and I think he will set a date for the check fraud trial, before the murder trial.

So no, I don't think casey marie anthony will have a good day.

We will tho...... :thumbup:

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, that Judge Strickland will make the criminal check/fraud case go to trial or be resolved before the end of 2009. Yes, I'm probably dreaming.

[Pam1569]

Signing a client's name to a declaration under penalty of perjury without the authorization by the client is fraud, and would be much more than ineffective counsel.

Inadvertently causing the client to waive a fundamental constitutional right would be grounds for ineffective counsel if she was forced to testify.

imo

ETA ... for substituted signature, it must read the person's name, and then signed by ________, so the Court knows she didn't actually sign it herself, to make the determination if it is a valid declaration.

Hi Impartial, If I am understanding you correctly, It would Baez that would be in trouble for this fraud, if it truly is not her signature. But it would still not get her a new trial/ mistrial or anything of the such because he (Baez) is not lead council and Strickland can ask Ms. Anthony in court on the 16th that if it is her signature or not. If Ms. Anthony states that it is then she herself has signed away her rights and then the SA has the right to cross examine the defendant at that point. Is this correct or not? TIA for answering me

[denjet]

I'm assuming it was another stupid mistake by Baez.
Same as when Casey counter sued ZFG and opened herself up to having to answer questions.

Stupid.
Hi Dt! I was wondering myself if this was another stupid mistake or an intentional one ... laying the groundwork for KC to get an appeal based on ineffective council ?? I mean could the whole dream-on team really be this stupid? :sneaky:

[KP1935]

If Ms. Anthony states that it is then she herself has signed away her rights and then the SA has the right to cross examine the defendant at that point. Is this correct or not? TIA for answering me

WOW, that will be fun to watch, could this happen on the 16th?

[Sun]

good point. I guess it's not a problem as the State and the Judge haven't called him on it. And since he won't let anyone anywhere near Casey, he's all he's got.

If Baez's name doesn't show up on Casey's inmate visitors log for Oct 5, then Baez could have a problem, since it was his stamp used on that document. Another reason why I want to see a recent copy of Casey's inmate visitor's log!

[Pam1569]

You are in very good company. Many of us don't understand it either. I found it very telling that the State's Response to Strike, is on the docket for Oct 16th, however the Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II is not. Seems like Judge Strickland will address the State's request to Strike the Motion, at that hearing.

Does anyone think that Casey will be pleased with any of Judge Strickland's rulings on Oct 16th? Or will this be a bad day for her?

Hi Sun and Daff, :seeya:
I was/am also confused by her swearing to these 2 things. But all that I keep coming up with is that defense is going to stay with the nanny did this. :confused:

[Spots]

Can someone tell me when the 48 Hours show will be on?

TIA

Supposedly Sat, Oct 17th. Check your local directory for times.

[Spots]

If Baez's name doesn't show up on Casey's inmate visitors log for Oct 5, then Baez could have a problem, since it was his stamp used on that document. Another reason why I want to see a recent copy of Casey's inmate visitor's log!

Is it possible that Casey gave Jose Power of Attorney, and that he has a perfect right to sign for her?

(I have no idea - it's an honest question.)

[Dtviewer3]

Is it possible that Casey gave Jose Power of Attorney, and that he has a perfect right to sign for her?

(I have no idea - it's an honest question.)


Kat had mentioned something about this earlier (she didnt call it power of attorney though), so I believe it is a possibility.

We'll have to let one of the Lawyers weigh in on this.

[Daffodil]

Kat had mentioned something about this earlier (she didnt call it power of attorney though), so I believe it is a possibility.

We'll have to let one of the Lawyers weigh in on this.



My uneducated guess would be that if this was a possibility, then a document would have to be on file in the court stating so.

[desmom]

Casey's signature:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810988/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-005

November 2005 - page 36
March 2008 - page 38
February 2008 - page 40
Signature on driver's license - page 41
December 2007 - page 43

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
July 16, 2008 - pages 29 - 32

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18853069/detail.html
February 25, 2009 - page 3

[KP1935]

Kat had mentioned something about this earlier (she didnt call it power of attorney though), so I believe it is a possibility.

We'll have to let one of the Lawyers weigh in on this.

Based on what impartial wrote earlier, if he was signing for her, wouldn't he note that he was signing on her behalf? And if doing so wouldn't he write her name and then signed by Bozo the Clown? If you have power of attorney for someone does it give you the power to just sign something on their behalf without stating that it is not that person's signature?

[Sun]

Is it possible that Casey gave Jose Power of Attorney, and that he has a perfect right to sign for her?

(I have no idea - it's an honest question.)

I have no clue as to an answer for you.

However, I do recall an earlier time in the courtroom, where Baez told Judge Strickland that he had talked with Casey that same morning, and that she had waived her right to attend the court hearing that day. That was the time that Baez failed to properly file the signed waiver from Casey. .....however, later when "I" checked Casey's inmate visitor's log, Baez didn't appear to have visited Casey that morning. I do suppose that he might have been able to chat with her on the phone that morning, but to me that didn't seem likely.

Anyway, Judge Strickland instructed that Casey be brought to court that day. That was the time that she showed up in jail house blues, and leg chains.

[Dtviewer3]

Based on what impartial wrote earlier, if he was signing for her, wouldn't he note that he was signing on her behalf? And if doing so wouldn't he write her name and then signed by Bozo the Clown? If you have power of attorney for someone does it give you the power to just sign something on their behalf without stating that it is not that person's signature?

All good questions.

I would hope that it wouldnt be allowed. We saw what happened when Baez mentioned he tells Casey 'what she needs to know'. From then on the court made sure Casey was present for all hearings.

I would hope in matters that can affect her life or death she would have to sign her own name.

Can you imagine after she is convicted and then claims she never saw any of these things Baez was signing her name to?

[Pierre]

Howdy folks.
Did anyone notice that DCasey and Mallybu are going to be deposed by the pros in Nov. Or did I read that wrong? Sorry if already discussed.

[Sun]

Casey's signature:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810988/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-005

November 2005 - page 36
March 2008 - page 38
February 2008 - page 40
Signature on driver's license - page 41
December 2007 - page 43

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
July 16, 2008 - pages 29 - 32

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18853069/detail.html
February 25, 2009 - page 3

Good afternoon desmom! Thanks so much for finding and posting these links to some of Casey's prior signatures. Her prior scrawl is not as similar as I had remembered it. Seems like it has morphed from a scrawled CaseA to more like a CAY. Still not the same. I would say that her chamelion ways are clearly evident, in that she is trying to now sign her name more like the way that Baez scrawls his signature.

[Pierre]

Howdy folks.
Did anyone notice that DCasey and Mallybu are going to be deposed by the pros in Nov. Or did I read that wrong? Sorry if already discussed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20931980/detail.html

here is the link

[Jester]

Casey's signature:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810988/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-005

November 2005 - page 36
March 2008 - page 38
February 2008 - page 40
Signature on driver's license - page 41
December 2007 - page 43

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
July 16, 2008 - pages 29 - 32

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18853069/detail.html
February 25, 2009 - page 3

Interesting. Is the Feb 29 signature being discussed, or is there a later one (sorry, jumping in but not sure which document has the questionable signature). The Feb 29 has the A written the same as usual, so I would tend to agree that she's imitating the signature style of the lawyers she's now dealing with. She should have the "lawyer" act perfected by the time she goes to trial.

The Feb 29 signature is actually a bit wobbly (like she's unsure), like she was trying to have a loose, relaxed hand when signing CA, but was too tense to make it look natural.

[denjet]

Hi guys!
WFTV stated:
Also Wednesday, Casey's defense team got another 42 pages from prosecutors detailing forensic entomology reports from August 28 and December 11 of 2008. Those reports talked about the insects experts analyzed from the trunk of Casey's car and the scene where Caylee's remains were found.

I missed this and thought the state was releasing these to the public ... does anyone know if we will be seeing these soon? Or does the defense have a certain length of time to file these with the court or argue they be kept under seal .... ????

It seems to me, docs have been released to the defense before and taken months for us to see them ... I hope that's not the case ...

ETA: This is all I could find on releasing these docs to the public ... "The documents are being released to the defense as part of the discovery process. The items will later be released to the public. Source: Orlando Sentinel 5:04 p.m. EDT, October 7, 2009"

[denjet]

I noticed the following motions are not scheduled to be heard next Friday:

Protective order about jail videos lawyer visits
Protective order to destroy videos of family visits
Motion for COV
Motion to Preclude DP procedures

I'm wondering though if the judge will address these in any way ... or say they were improperly filed like Orange County Corrections was not noticed in the jail video ones, or COV premature, or DP one also being premature being that all the evidence had not been released when the motion was filed?

I'm hoping Strickland has already made a decision on them and will not be hearing arguments and that's why they're not listed ... it's a stretch, but maybe ....

I really thought the DP one would have been addressed at the same time as the one to dismiss counts I and II, but I guess not ...

I would really appreciate anyone shedding light on this ...
TIA

[Ellie]

Remember when Casey was apparently signing her name "Casey Lazarro" and "Casey Anthony Lazarro" and "Casey Marie Lazarro"? Yeah, she can't really do that any more so she probably sits in her cell and signs her own name and this is what she came up with.

Either that or she's completely disinterested in whatever she's signing so she just scribbles it quickly and this is what it looks like. Kind of like "yeah whatever fine here". That's what I think.

[LadyHam]

I think Judge Stan will ultimately give the order for the murder trial to go forward with the DP and I think he will set a date for the check fraud trial, before the murder trial.

So no, I don't think casey marie anthony will have a good day.

We will tho...... :thumbup:

I so hope you are right!:thumbup:

[desmom]

Remember when Casey was apparently signing her name "Casey Lazarro" and "Casey Anthony Lazarro" and "Casey Marie Lazarro"? Yeah, she can't really do that any more so she probably sits in her cell and signs her own name and this is what she came up with.

Either that or she's completely disinterested in whatever she's signing so she just scribbles it quickly and this is what it looks like. Kind of like "yeah whatever fine here". That's what I think.

Forgot about the Casey Anthony Lazzaro/Casey Lazzaro signatures - page 30 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

[Sun]

I noticed the following motions are not scheduled to be heard next Friday:

Protective order about jail videos lawyer visits
Protective order to destroy videos of family visits
Motion for COV
Motion to Preclude DP procedures

I'm wondering though if the judge will address these in any way ... or say they were improperly filed like Orange County Corrections was not noticed in the jail video ones, or COV premature, or DP one also being premature being that all the evidence had not been released when the motion was filed?

I'm hoping Strickland has already made a decision on them and will not be hearing arguments and that's why they're not listed ... it's a stretch, but maybe ....

I really thought the DP one would have been addressed at the same time as the one to dismiss counts I and II, but I guess not ...

I would really appreciate anyone shedding light on this ...
TIA

denjet, the motions that the defense has filed, won't be scheduled for a hearing until the State or the Sheriff's office/jail/corrections (possibly media) have had a chance to respond. I believe that Lyon specified a period of 30 days for a response, though Judge Strickland will probably allow what the law provides (or what he deems as reasonable). Lyon filed the majority of her motions on 9/17.

[Armadillo]

Remember when Casey was apparently signing her name "Casey Lazarro" and "Casey Anthony Lazarro" and "Casey Marie Lazarro"? Yeah, she can't really do that any more so she probably sits in her cell and signs her own name and this is what she came up with.

Either that or she's completely disinterested in whatever she's signing so she just scribbles it quickly and this is what it looks like. Kind of like "yeah whatever fine here". That's what I think.


Yeah, after all she was arrested on a f***ing whim you know...

[SayItAgain]

Based on what impartial wrote earlier, if he was signing for her, wouldn't he note that he was signing on her behalf? And if doing so wouldn't he write her name and then signed by Bozo the Clown? If you have power of attorney for someone does it give you the power to just sign something on their behalf without stating that it is not that person's signature?

I'm also wondering if Judge Strickland might want to "overrule" Jose's right to sign for Casey, for the same reasons he insisted Casey appear at all the hearings pertaining to her case.

[KittyMom]

Good afternoon desmom! Thanks so much for finding and posting these links to some of Casey's prior signatures. Her prior scrawl is not as similar as I had remembered it. Seems like it has morphed from a scrawled CaseA to more like a CAY. Still not the same. I would say that her chamelion ways are clearly evident, in that she is trying to now sign her name more like the way that Baez scrawls his signature.

I would think that Casey has lots of experience signing her name many different ways what with the wedding doodles, forged checks, and I'd bet a plug nickel that she used to sign G & C's names to her report cards all the time. In fact, she's probably more of a hand writing expert than most in LE. :sneaky:

[KittyMom]

Now...where's that doc dump?

[denjet]

denjet, the motions that the defense has filed, won't be scheduled for a hearing until the State or the Sheriff's office/jail/corrections (possibly media) have had a chance to respond. I believe that Lyon specified a period of 30 days for a response, though Judge Strickland will probably allow what the law provides (or what he deems as reasonable). Lyon filed the majority of her motions on 9/17.
Thanks Sun!! That's right the 30 days was Lyon's time limit ... wonder if Lyon will bring it up on the 16th when HER 30 day limit will be up

[Scampi]

The F.S. (as with every F.S. you post) has NOTHING to do with your claim.
(Your claim from your post about a Notary being able to sign someones name)

Are you really coming back on here to start these games again?????:confused:


You have way more patience then I do, posting irrelevant links seems to be all that one likes to do.

I agree, baez being or not being a notary has absolutely nothing to do with the question of the legality of him signing any legal document for casey anthony.

I also question him acting as a notary in regards to any document containing his signature, I don't think that's proper either.

[Pam1569]

I'm also wondering if Judge Strickland might want to "overrule" Jose's right to sign for Casey, for the same reasons he insisted Casey appear at all the hearings pertaining to her case.

Hi Say, I was thinking that Judge Strickland could ask Ms. Anthony, just like he did at another hearing about knowing about the claim that Baez and no one else has the rights to her story or have a contract to do so, to the effect that if indeed was this her signature and does she knows what her signature on the sworn affidavit means. I say this because it seems the Judge and the State of Florida are looking that her rights are not abused so there will be no rights for an appeal. jmo

[SayItAgain]

You have way more patience then I do, posting irrelevant links seems to be all that one likes to do.

I agree, baez being or not being a notary has absolutely nothing to do with the question of the legality of him signing any legal document for casey anthony.

I also question him acting as a notary in regards to any document containing his signature, I don't think that's proper either.

I've reported that post. The last thing anyone here wants is for this thread to get derailed and/or closed when we're expecting a doc drop, a hearing and the 48 Hours episode within the next week or so.

Let's everyone keep that in mind. Please.

[Another Rose]

I see nothing in there that says a notary can sign for someone...only notarize the signature at hand.

(d) A notary public may sign the name of a person whose signature is to be notarized when that person is physically unable to sign or make a signature mark on a document if:

1. The person with a disability directs the notary to sign in his or her presence;

2. The document signing is witnessed by two disinterested persons;

3. The notary writes below the signature the following statement: "Signature affixed by notary, pursuant to s. 117.05(14), Florida Statutes," and states the circumstances of the signing in the notarial certificate.


I think this is what the poster is referring to.

[Sun]

Thanks Sun!! That's right the 30 days was Lyon's time limit ... wonder if Lyon will bring it up on the 16th when HER 30 day limit will be up

denjet, I'm like you, I can't guess what Lyon or the defense will do. :rolleyes: I expect the the jail/corrections aren't in any big hurry to respond, because there is no benefit to them to do so.

I do wonder what Judge Strickland may have to say about these motions, and whether he thinks that the defense should also have noticed the media in regards to them.

Order To Directing Jail Videos Be Destroyed (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972696/detail.html

Motion Prohibiting Videotaping Attorney Visits (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972622/detail.html

[Dtviewer3]

(d) A notary public may sign the name of a person whose signature is to be notarized when that person is physically unable to sign or make a signature mark on a document if:

1. The person with a disability directs the notary to sign in his or her presence;

2. The document signing is witnessed by two disinterested persons;

3. The notary writes below the signature the following statement: "Signature affixed by notary, pursuant to s. 117.05(14), Florida Statutes," and states the circumstances of the signing in the notarial certificate.


I think this is what the poster is referring to.

Cant be, since Casey isnt disabled and there is nothing about
"Signature affixed by notary, pursuant to s. 117.05(14), Florida Statutes," and states the circumstances of the signing in the [/I]notarial certificate.'
below the signature in question.

[Barbara fl.]

I seriously doubt this. A "notary" is not a power of attorney and I have never heard of a defendant giving her criminal attorney a "power of attorney" in order for them to sign legal docs for them.


I believe he would have to be a law notary, and that would only stand up in estates etc...not in a case of giving himself power of attorney....I believe that would mean he would have to notarize his own signature.....But I'm really not to sure on this....maybe one of our legals will advise....

[SayItAgain]

(d) A notary public may sign the name of a person whose signature is to be notarized when that person is physically unable to sign or make a signature mark on a document if:

1. The person with a disability directs the notary to sign in his or her presence;

2. The document signing is witnessed by two disinterested persons;

3. The notary writes below the signature the following statement: "Signature affixed by notary, pursuant to s. 117.05(14), Florida Statutes," and states the circumstances of the signing in the notarial certificate.


I think this is what the poster is referring to.

Casey's not physically unable to sign, so the statute doesn't apply ... does it?

[Sun]

Some folks (like Casey Anthony), do things for attention. It provides them pleasure. It is a game to them. I would never give Casey Anthony the attention that she desires.

At the top of the page,go to USER CP. A menu will come up on your left. Under settings & Options, choose "edit ignore list" and then type in the name of the member you choose to ignore. It took me two days to find it myself....lol It's a wonderful feature and you can always view the post of the ignored if you choose to upset yourself.s

[Another Rose]

Cant be, since Casey isnt disabled and there is nothing about
"Signature affixed by notary, pursuant to s. 117.05(14), Florida Statutes," and states the circumstances of the signing in the [/I]notarial certificate.'
below the signature.

I'm very well aware of that.

My point is/was that what the poster claimed to be in the f.s. is indeed in the f.s. - and the original claim he/she made is technically correct. That is all.

[Barbara fl.]

(d) A notary public may sign the name of a person whose signature is to be notarized when that person is physically unable to sign or make a signature mark on a document if:

1. The person with a disability directs the notary to sign in his or her presence;

2. The document signing is witnessed by two disinterested persons;

3. The notary writes below the signature the following statement: "Signature affixed by notary, pursuant to s. 117.05(14), Florida Statutes," and states the circumstances of the signing in the notarial certificate.


I think this is what the poster is referring to.


That sound good to me....

[Another Rose]

Casey's not physically unable to sign, so the statute doesn't apply ... does it?

no, it does not. that was not the point of my post.

[Barbara fl.]

Some folks (like Casey Anthony), do things for attention. It provides them pleasure. It is a game to them. I would never give Casey Anthony the attention that she desires.

At the top of the page,go to USER CP. A menu will come up on your left. Under settings & Options, choose "edit ignore list" and then type in the name of the member you choose to ignore. It took me two days to find it myself....lol It's a wonderful feature and you can always view the post of the ignored if you choose to upset yourself.s


Thanks, I often wondered about that.....

[KittyMom]

FYI

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=358964&page=2

James Ward's bond hearing has just started!!!

[Roux]

FYI

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=358964&page=2

James Ward's bond hearing has just started!!!

thanks Mom, I wanted to watch!

[SayItAgain]

If there's any confusion about whether or not Jose Baez, because he is a notary, can sign legal documents for Casey Anthony, then let's defer to either Katprint or Lapis, the two bona fide, legitimate, licensed, actual, for real, attorneys who post with us.

[Barbara fl.]

I'm very well aware of that.

My point is/was that what the poster claimed to be in the f.s. is indeed in the f.s. - and the original claim he/she made is technically correct. That is all.

I understand what you were referring to....and it is correct, just not in this case....Baez would have had to have someone else other then himself give him power of attorney....because he is part of it, therefore could not notarize his own signature....

I believe that was what was being discussed...if not, then just excuse my post.....:sad:

[bballgrl]

The F.S. (as with every F.S. you post) has NOTHING to do with your claim.
(Your claim from your post about a Notary being able to sign someones name)

Are you really coming back on here to start these games again?????:confused:

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Notary's are there to WITNESS signatures. Nothing more. Even the F.S states this... LOL

[Barbara fl.]

If there's any confusion about whether or not Jose Baez, because he is a notary, can sign legal documents for Casey Anthony, then let's defer to either Katprint or Lapis, the two bona fide, legitimate, licensed, actual, for real, attorneys who post with us.


Sounds good to me.....

[SayItAgain]

no, it does not. that was not the point of my post.

Yes, the point of your post, as I just noticed in your subsequent post above, was to point out the OP was technically correct. I couldn't disagree more. There was nothing correct about it, technically or otherwise. imo

Unless I hear otherwise from a fellow poster with actual legal knowledge, I'll assume Baez, in his role as a notary, cannot sign for his not physically disabled client, Casey Anthony. :smile:

[Dtviewer3]

I'm very well aware of that.

My point is/was that what the poster claimed to be in the f.s. is indeed in the f.s. - and the original claim he/she made is technically correct. That is all.

No AnotherRose, the posters original claim:
'Originally posted by Legalmania
"If Baez is a notary than he can sign for Casey"

is NOT technically correct, as has been pointed out to you, Casey IS NOT HANDICAPPED.

[bballgrl]

(d) A notary public may sign the name of a person whose signature is to be notarized when that person is physically unable to sign or make a signature mark on a document if:

1. The person with a disability directs the notary to sign in his or her presence;

2. The document signing is witnessed by two disinterested persons;

3. The notary writes below the signature the following statement: "Signature affixed by notary, pursuant to s. 117.05(14), Florida Statutes," and states the circumstances of the signing in the notarial certificate.


I think this is what the poster is referring to.

Oh, then maybe the poster meant to point out Casey's "disability" as well. I wasn't aware she had one....:bored:

[LadyHam]

So does Mars get Geraldo? That's about the only place I can think of. It's NATIONAL TV, broadcast over the entire state of Florida.

I agree. This case has been broadcast over the national media. Can the defense claim that it is not possible for Casey to get a fair trial anywhere and ask that the case just be dismissed because of that? I hope not.

[SayItAgain]

I agree. This case has been broadcast over the national media. Can the defense claim that it is not possible for Casey to get a fair trial anywhere and ask that the case just be dismissed because of that? I hope not.

I don't know a thing about when a COV is decided upon, but wouldn't it make sense for Judge Strickland to try to seat an Orlando jury first, before entertaining a COV?

[LadyHam]

I don't know a thing about when a COV is decided upon, but wouldn't it make sense for Judge Strickland to try to seat an Orlando jury first, before entertaining a COV?

Bolding by me....

I would think so and I would hope that is what he tries first. I really don't see how a COV will be helpful in this case because the defense team has made sure that all areas that the case could be moved to have been tainted by their national media appearances. It just doesn't seem fair that they can potentially be rewarded w/a COV when they themselves are a big part of the reason why a COV may even be needed in the first place.

[DoubleFelix]

117.05 Use of notary commission; unlawful use; notary fee; seal; duties; employer liability; name change; advertising; photocopies; penalties.--

(1) No person shall obtain or use a notary public commission in other than his or her legal name, and it is unlawful for a notary public to notarize his or her own signature.

This part is what I noticed.

[sammy62]

Or Impartial or Norwood. I notice they have been on here during the day lately, where Kat and Lapis seem to pop in more towards the evening.

my best friend is a notary. All their signature means is that they witnessed the person signing the document, and they verified that it is the person who signed it.

[denjet]

You have way more patience then I do, posting irrelevant links seems to be all that one likes to do.

I agree, baez being or not being a notary has absolutely nothing to do with the question of the legality of him signing any legal document for casey anthony.

I also question him acting as a notary in regards to any document containing his signature, I don't think that's proper either.
Hi Scamp!
I guess it's OK for him to notarize KC's sig but it does seem he doesn't know how to do it properly ie, print and sign his name ....
But I too think there's a shady area there ... and that maybe her statement should have been a separate doc that he notarized and referenced in his motion ...
I know I worked in an office with 2 notaries and one would use the other to notarize their own sigs and docs ... :confused:

[msgatorslayer]

But, the defense has no guarantee that the trial would be moved there. I know they specifically named Miami (I think) in their motion, but can't the judge move it to where ever he wants to? It could possibly be moved someplace that they may not like. I think they are playing w/fire.

IMO, Judges don't like moving trials far, if they don't have to.

I think the Judge will attempt to pick a jury outside of Orlando but in the same Circuit Court as Orlando. If a jury can be picked, the trial will stay in Orlando.

When deciding where to move a trial, many things are taken into consideration. An airport has to be close by. The hosting courthouse has to have an open calender for the trial dates needed. It's a complicated process that has to be planned properly. Miami has proven itself as an acceptable location in the past. IMO

[SayItAgain]

IMO, Judges don't like moving trials far, if they don't have to.

I think the Judge will attempt to pick a jury outside of Orlando but in the same Circuit Court as Orlando. If a jury can be picked, the trial will stay in Orlando.

When deciding where to move a trial, many things are taken into consideration. An airport has to be close by. The hosting courthouse has to have an open calender for the trial dates needed. It's a complicated process that has to be planned properly. Miami has proven itself as an acceptable location in the past. IMO

I'm not really worried about it at all. I think whether it's Orlando or some other location in Florida, a jury will be seated and Casey will be convicted.

I do wonder if this thing is even going to make it all the way to trial, though.

[SayItAgain]

Personally, I don't think anyplace is safe for Casey. Regardless of where it is moved, I think Casey will be convicted.

LOL! You beat me to it!

[denjet]

I don't know a thing about when a COV is decided upon, but wouldn't it make sense for Judge Strickland to try to seat an Orlando jury first, before entertaining a COV?
Now that would just make too much sense ! LOL
What happened to Baez's original plea for COV where he asked the judge to grant it and keep the location secret until trial ????

Anyone remember that?

[denjet]

Bolding by me....

I would think so and I would hope that is what he tries first. I really don't see how a COV will be helpful in this case because the defense team has made sure that all areas that the case could be moved to have been tainted by their national media appearances. It just doesn't seem fair that they can potentially be rewarded w/a COV when they themselves are a big part of the reason why a COV may even be needed in the first place.
ITA Lady!! I should have read your post before posting mine! :biggrin:

[Tia]

I personally think Miami would be bad for the defense. There is a larger population of Hispanics there who will be just a tad bit upset that Casey blamed her Daughter's missing, and later murdered status, on a part Hispanic, part Black, nanny, named ZFG. JMO

Well, Casey DID say she was a "10" :wink:

[Dtviewer3]

Sometimes I want her to get the DP and other times I want her to get LWOP. I think LWOP will be harder for Casey. She is young and has a long life to live out. Plus she will have to to work and may one day be put in GP w/LWOP. If she does not get the DP I want her to get LWOP.

LWOP would be just fine for me.

I would almost even be okay with life with the possibility of parole.
To see Casey having to show remorse, having to take responsibility for what she did. Let HER go beg for parole time after time. Just to be shot down over and over.

[SayItAgain]

Now that would just make too much sense ! LOL
What happened to Baez's original plea for COV where he asked the judge to grant it and keep the location secret until trial ????

Anyone remember that?

I do remember that. Another of Baez's misfires. The list is long. :laugh:

O/T, sort of, but ... we had a case here locally (Reno area) where a man stabbed his estranged wife to death and then went immediately downtown and shot a family court judge in his chambers, sniper style, with a high powered rifle from a few blocks away.

Because of the attempt on the judge's life, a non-local judge (from Vegas) was assigned to the case. He traveled up here to try to seat a jury. Couldn't do it after several days. So the trial of the Reno case was moved down to Vegas, where the judge was from anyway.

The morning the defense was to start its case in chief in Vegas, the defendant plead guilty to all counts. End of story. Not.

Defendant got a case of buyer's remorse, fired his two defense attorneys, hired a third, and tried for a do-over. All that nonsense took place back up here in Reno ... so Vegas judge ended up having to travel anyway. :bored:

[denjet]

IMO, Judges don't like moving trials far, if they don't have to.

I think the Judge will attempt to pick a jury outside of Orlando but in the same Circuit Court as Orlando. If a jury can be picked, the trial will stay in Orlando.

When deciding where to move a trial, many things are taken into consideration. An airport has to be close by. The hosting courthouse has to have an open calender for the trial dates needed. It's a complicated process that has to be planned properly. Miami has proven itself as an acceptable location in the past. IMO
Hi msgator!
No they don't and Stan already said it was premature and there's also been discussion about logistics pertaining to witnesses, SA's office etc. and at one time I remember hearing that the jury selection (only) outside of Orlando may be the only thing necessary ...
Is the defense doing this to get another judge to hear the case also??? mmmm ... is that why the defense keeps revisting this ???

[Explorer]

Can anyone tellme what the court did about the Todd Black thing? Was there really a document presented to the court signed by Todd Black?

[bballgrl]

My bold. But the question is...how do they feel about women who kill their babies?

I know how I feel about them. It is NOT a warm fuzzy feeling. And, the ones that also show no remorse for their actions.. those are the ones I feel DO deserve the Death Penalty (and I am not a huge advocate either) :cursing:

[msgatorslayer]

Hi msgator!
No they don't and Stan already said it was premature and there's also been discussion about logistics pertaining to witnesses, SA's office etc. and at one time I remember hearing that the jury selection (only) outside of Orlando may be the only thing necessary ...
Is the defense doing this to get another judge to hear the case also??? mmmm ... is that why the defense keeps revisting this ???

Right, they look for jurors who do not live in Orlando. They choose them from another area that is within the same District Court as Orlando. If a jury can be picked, the jurors are then shipped into Orlando to hear the case.

No worries about the Judge, he stays with the case.

[denjet]

I do remember that. Another of Baez's misfires. The list is long. :laugh:

O/T, sort of, but ... we had a case here locally (Reno area) where a man stabbed his estranged wife to death and then went immediately downtown and shot a family court judge in his chambers, sniper style, with a high powered rifle from a few blocks away.

Because of the attempt on the judge's life, a non-local judge (from Vegas) was assigned to the case. He traveled up here to try to seat a jury. Couldn't do it after several days. So the trial of the Reno case was moved down to Vegas, where the judge was from anyway.

The morning the defense was to start its case in chief in Vegas, the defendant plead guilty to all counts. End of story. Not.

Defendant got a case of buyer's remorse, fired his two defense attorneys, hired a third, and tried for a do-over. All that nonsense took place back up here in Reno ... so Vegas judge ended up having to travel anyway. :bored:

Geeeezz ... Let's hope that kind of BS can be avoided or this trial will never take place!!

[denjet]

Right, they look for jurors who do not live in Orlando. They choose them from another area that is within the same District Court as Orlando. If a jury can be picked, the jurors are then shipped into Orlando to hear the case.

No worries about the Judge, he stays with the case.

Oh goody! Stan it is! IMO the defense should be careful what they ask for ... like when they took a stab at having Strickland taken off the case ... they could do plenty worse ... Strickland's been lenient and patient with their mistakes ...

[denjet]

Forgot the best part. No new trial. The murderer is now here: http://www.doc.nv.gov/esp/index.php, and from what I understand, Nevada prisons are some of the worst. :cool:
Wow, that looks like it's in the middle of nowhere ... I hope KC ends up in just as nice a place !! Looks like it makes visiting difficult too !! (oh, that's right, KC doesn't want visitors anyway) :biggrin:

[cassidy]

I agree. This case has been broadcast over the national media. Can the defense claim that it is not possible for Casey to get a fair trial anywhere and ask that the case just be dismissed because of that? I hope not.

I doubt it since they are the ones who have been blasting this case all over the media.

JMO

[onlykaty]

I'm not really worried about it at all. I think whether it's Orlando or some other location in Florida, a jury will be seated and Casey will be convicted.

I do wonder if this thing is even going to make it all the way to trial, though.

I have wondered that alot myself and expressed it on this board. I usually don't get any response. I do think the only plea that would roll now is if Casey pleads guilty and still gets LOP. It going to be almost impossible to explain away the 31 days, decomp, her actions, just to much, not going into it because everyone here knows what they are.

[charmin 66]

Forgot about the Casey Anthony Lazzaro/Casey Lazzaro signatures - page 30 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

I didn't notice this before, Casey spells Lazarro wrong, then crosses out Lazarro and writes Lazzaro.

[Roux]

I'm surprised that someone of your vast experience isn't aware that sometimes a jury is bussed in from another county, in lieu of moving the court and participants to another venue.

That was the case very recently in the Cobbins trial in Knoxville. Jurors bussed in from Nashville.

[msgatorslayer]

One of my biggest concerns about jury selection, no matter where it is located. Is people like the protesters showing up with their picket signs, yelling and carrying on. In front of the courthouse while potential jurors are walking in.

That's what got the mistrial in the Couey case.

[SayItAgain]

I have wondered that alot myself and expressed it on this board. I usually don't get any response. I do think the only plea that would roll now is if Casey pleads guilty and still gets LOP. It going to be almost impossible to explain away the 31 days, decomp, her actions, just to much, not going into it because everyone here knows what they are.

I think most of us are just so wrapped up in trying to figure out a defense strategy, and in wanting Casey and her family to sit in a courtroom and be held accountable, that the prospect none of that will happen isn't something we like to contemplate!

[SayItAgain]

o/t but not.

Dr. G is being grilled on the stand in the Ward bond hearing.

http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/Video/Default.aspx


Interesting to see how she handles the defense.

Is she done, Betty? I just tuned in. :cursing:

[Sun]

Very interesting watching the ME that did Caylee Anthony's autopsy testify today on another case. She appears to be quite good at communication.

Does anyone know if the defense has, or is allowed to depose the ME in regards to her autopsy?

[SayItAgain]

Very interesting watching the ME that did Caylee Anthony's autopsy testify today on another case. She appears to be quite good at communication.

Does anyone know if the defense has, or is allowed to depose the ME in regards to her autopsy?

Sun -- have you seen her show on TV? She's a great communicator. :thumbup:

[BettyC]

Is she done, Betty? I just tuned in. :cursing:

Yep she is SayItAgain. She didn't DO the actual autopsy so the defense was challenging her right to testify. Of course, she was permitted to.

She handles herself very well.

[Sun]

Sun -- have you seen her show on TV? She's a great communicator. :thumbup:

I've not seen her on TV, but am trying my best to get a bit more familiar with people that may be testifying at the Casey Anthony trial. For instance, Baez had earlier mentioned that Kathy Reich was one of his "experts" so while at the library here, I picked up her latest book (206 bones). Found it a bit hard to read though, and it wasn't a page turner. Thoughts were a bit rambling, and a few areas just weren't really all that logical. Not quite what I expected, but the subject matter was also not quite something that I would normally read either.

[Ellie]

Yep she is SayItAgain. She didn't DO the actual autopsy so the defense was challenging her right to testify. Of course, she was permitted to.

She handles herself very well.

I LOVE Dr. G. I used to watch her show all the time before this case (for some reason having a child gave me a weak stomach so I can't watch that kind of thing any more, but I have a great respect for Dr. G!)

I have always wondered though... was Dr. G the ME assigned to this county or how did she get chosen as the ME? I always wondered if it was because she's a 'tv star' kind of person, and another shot by the Anthony's at sensationalism.

[onlykaty]

I think most of us are just so wrapped up in trying to figure out a defense strategy, and in wanting Casey and her family to sit in a courtroom and be held accountable, that the prospect none of that will happen isn't something we like to contemplate!

I want a trial also, the longer this goes on I just don't see much of a defense for Casey. The DP is a high priority for AL's and I think she work hard to do whatever it takes to make sure that doesn't happen. If it means a plea of some sort I feel she will lay this case out for Casey like Biaz never has. Beleive it or not I'm just as repulsed and saddened about what happened to Caylee as the rest.

[Sun]

10/8/2009 A RESPONSE TO MOTION TO PRECLUDE THE DEATH PENALTY PROCEDURES

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records. Someone please, please remind me to check the CoC records tomorrow... the traffic division, specifically.

[BettyC]

10/8/2009 A RESPONSE TO MOTION TO PRECLUDE THE DEATH PENALTY PROCEDURES

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records. Someone please, please remind me to check the CoC records tomorrow... the traffic division, specifically.

I'm afraid you lost me Sun. traffic division?

[denjet]

10/8/2009 A RESPONSE TO MOTION TO PRECLUDE THE DEATH PENALTY PROCEDURES

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records. Someone please, please remind me to check the CoC records tomorrow... the traffic division, specifically.
??? why traffic, Sun
so the state responded to the DP one ... mmmm ... maybe this one will also be heard next Friday

[Sun]

??? why traffic, Sun
so the state responded to the DP one ... mmmm ... maybe this one will also be heard next Friday

(Please check your PMs) I'm searching around to see if any of the media have gotten hold of the State's response to that motion yet.... I like to read the actual documents.

[Lavinya]

Yes, that is why I think LWOP will be harder for her. With the DP, won't Casey get to stay in PC and won't she get to stay in a private cell w/out having to work and interact w/other prisoners?

Hey LH! :seeya:

I'm so far behind I'm reading backwards today.

I looked yesterday and see the Fl. prisons don't have hoe squads like they do in TX, AK, and some other southern states. Too bad. I guess Casey can be a hoe squad of one. :wink:

IME, most inmates want to be in GP very badly. AD SEG is used often to discipline because inmates crave being in population so much. There are those though, either because of personality or fear of injury and death, prefer to be segregated from GP. I hope we get a firmer idea of what she would hate the most and see that that's exactly what she gets.

[crimeq]

Respectfully disagree Bala. I applaud CBS for allowing the anthonys to once again make what I believe will be very inappropriate
remarks about their daughter and her murder trial.

They should keep their yaps shut, but of course the anthonys know it all and do not listen to sound advice no doubt given by their attorney, imo.

It has been my experience that the show 48 Hours is very fair and will give both sides to the viewers as shown by them having Diane Fanning on also. Gonna be a good show and I will not miss it.

Scampi, I agree with you. I don't get up in the morning to watch the early a.m. good morning-type shows when the Anthonys or their attornies are on, but will generally catch salient parts of them online later. I will watch 48 Hours because I do believe they are balanced in their approach, and I love that they are having Fanning on. I must admit I did write to 48 Hours asking why they were doing this before trial, and mentioned I would love to see a show where they hooked Cindy Anthony up to a lie detector before asking her the interview questions, however. That would be a truly great show :-)

[denjet]

Just reading over on SM and saw a blog about Thompson the computer monitor guy ... interesting commentary by a local resident
Marinade Dave's Mind Blogging (http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/)
Very interesting!

[Sun]

Hey LH! :seeya:

I'm so far behind I'm reading backwards today.

I looked yesterday and see the Fl. prisons don't have hoe squads like they do in TX, AK, and some other southern states. Too bad. I guess Casey can be a hoe squad of one. :wink:

IME, most inmates want to be in GP very badly. AD SEG is used often to discipline because inmates crave being in population so much. There are those though, either because of personality or fear of injury and death, prefer to be segregated from GP. I hope we get a firmer idea of what she would hate the most and see that that's exactly what she gets.

Very well said! The isolation of "protective custody" or AD SEG is thought to be a difficult thing mentally, in the long-term. Those inmates tend to receive little attention in prison, and I believe are required to be in restraints when out of their cell (except when inside the shower or possibly during their short exercise period time).

I do see some indication that Casey may be a bit resistant to the restraint process. Lyon made mention of the belly chain that Casey wears even when in the presence of her attorneys. Officer Unser also made mention that Casey wanted her belly chain loosened on Dec 11th, the day that she was taken to medical (I can imagine Casey struggling a bit against her restraints that day).

[KP1935]

She will never be able to forgive herself.:sad:

I disagree. Her and George are out there exploiting their dead granddaughter to live the life they want - they've got a boat, their bills are all but paid and they feel like celebrities for the foreseeable future. I believe the OC will get LWOP so Ma and Pa Moneybags can continue to accept financial payments (along with airfare and lodging) to appear as the grieving parents/grandparents on all the shows they've already appeared on (LKL - weird?, the Today Show, GMA, etc.) talking about how they feel without their daughter and granddaughter.

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21241690/detail.html

In a new document filed Thursday, prosecutors are accusing Casey Anthony’s defense team of filing yet another bogus motion, this time over the death penalty.

[SayItAgain]

ahhh... the good ole days with *Big Chin*. I hope his daughter is doing ok. Him, not so much.

I'm on vacation for the next hearing for Casey. Take good notes!

Erika's still with her maternal grandmother and they are doing fine. Soorya and I are Facebook friends and I happened upon a recent pic of Erika -- she looks a lot like both of them, but you can definitely see more of Charla in her. :smile:

[SayItAgain]

OJ is serving his time at Lovelock Correctional Center as he awaits progress on his appeal... on Sept 9th h
is lawyers argued for prison release while he awaits appeal ... the judge said no way OJ!

Thanks for that! I'll have to see what I can find about that facility.

[Sun]

Prosecutors went as far as saying either the defense team doesn't understand the law or is purposely misstating it to grandstand

http://www.wftv.com/news/21241690/detail.html


I can't wait to read this Response by the State, to this Defense's Motion

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures (9/30/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

[Holden]

I disagree. Her and George are out there exploiting their dead granddaughter to live the life they want - they've got a boat, their bills are all but paid and they feel like celebrities for the foreseeable future. I believe the OC will get LWOP so Ma and Pa Moneybags can continue to accept financial payments (along with airfare and lodging) to appear as the grieving parents/grandparents on all the shows they've already appeared on (LKL - weird?, the Today Show, GMA, etc.) talking about how they feel without their daughter and granddaughter.

While I very much agree with you that cindy and george are raking in the bucks over baby Caylee's dead body, I also believe that cindy is in agony over her decision to let casey leave the house that night with the baby. I think she will do her best to make as much money as she can, keep as busy as possible - but I think her drug bill will be huge for the rest of her life because she can't possibly put her head down at night without wishing, wishing, wishing she had not let casey and Caylee leave that night. :sad:

[KittyMom]

I'm surprised that someone of your vast experience isn't aware that sometimes a jury is bussed in from another county, in lieu of moving the court and participants to another venue.

That just happened here in GA. David Edenfield in Brunswick was tried by a jury from Hazlehurst (about 70 miles away). The jury was sequestered. The trial ran right through the weekend.

eta - the Christopher Barrios murder

[crimeq]

I'm also wondering if Judge Strickland might want to "overrule" Jose's right to sign for Casey, for the same reasons he insisted Casey appear at all the hearings pertaining to her case.

Hi Sayitagain, it would be prudent of JudgeS to do so and in line with his decision to have Casey appear at all hearings re: her case. He seems to be working very close to the line to prevent reasons for appeals and I expect him to continue in that vein. I'm very pleased with JudgeS being so diligent, even though at times it's seemed slow and tedious to me. I want convictions made in his court to stick, and I think he's doing all possible to ensure that, at whatever level he can.

[KittyMom]

Prosecutors went as far as saying either the defense team doesn't understand the law or is purposely misstating it to grandstand

http://www.wftv.com/news/21241690/detail.html


I can't wait to read this Response by the State, to this Defense's Motion

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures (9/30/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

ROFL...with Baez I'd say its the first reason. :lol:

[Lavinya]

Very well said! The isolation of "protective custody" or AD SEG is thought to be a difficult thing mentally, in the long-term. Those inmates tend to receive little attention in prison, and I believe are required to be in restraints when out of their cell (except when inside the shower or possibly during their short exercise period time).

I do see some indication that Casey may be a bit resistant to the restraint process. Lyon made mention of the belly chain that Casey wears even when in the presence of her attorneys. Officer Unser also made mention that Casey wanted her belly chain loosened on Dec 11th, the day that she was taken to medical (I can imagine Casey struggling a bit against her restraints that day).

I tell ya', I accompanied many an extraction team to AD SEG (when a use of force is instituted, the prison must notify medical so that a nurse can be present to assess the inmate and the staff in case of injuries). Many a man has gone stark raving mad in their cages. One of the things in retrospect I wish I had refused, is when an inmate would go under their bunk and be catatonic, or even if they were hanging or blood was gushing everywhere, the prison staff would protect themselves with the electric shield (now not in use D/T deaths) and have me go in and see if the inmate was "playing possum" to try to assault staff or escape, or if they were truly catatonic, injured or dead. I was the guinea pig.

Rare is the inmate that is isolated that doesn't show the scars for it. Even when she goes to her every other day shower, she will be chained. Same if she needs medical. Anytime she leaves her cage, she will be shackled. Princess won't be happy.

[crimeq]

Some folks (like Casey Anthony), do things for attention. It provides them pleasure. It is a game to them. I would never give Casey Anthony the attention that she desires.

At the top of the page,go to USER CP. A menu will come up on your left. Under settings & Options, choose "edit ignore list" and then type in the name of the member you choose to ignore. It took me two days to find it myself....lol It's a wonderful feature and you can always view the post of the ignored if you choose to upset yourself.s

You are wise, Sun, and give some wise advice ;-)

Negative attention is simply "attention" to those who cannot get positive attention, and the best way to handle it is to IGNORE. (In behavior modification, it's called EXTINGUISHING -- if the behavior isn't reinforced, it will go away.)

[Dovey]

Based on what impartial wrote earlier, if he was signing for her, wouldn't he note that he was signing on her behalf? And if doing so wouldn't he write her name and then signed by Bozo the Clown? If you have power of attorney for someone does it give you the power to just sign something on their behalf without stating that it is not that person's signature?


When my husband was POA for his Dad he had to provide his fathers letter of POA to the bank and then whenever my husband wrote a check the bank required his signature following by POA for_____name of his father written on the check. I know this was banking but I'm sure all have their own requirements,.

Adding my cents only for what I know.

[hello its me]

Erika's still with her maternal grandmother and they are doing fine. Soorya and I are Facebook friends and I happened upon a recent pic of Erika -- she looks a lot like both of them, but you can definitely see more of Charla in her. :smile:


thanks! that is nice to hear. Charla's mother is the perfect guardian for Erika. She'll keep her close to Charla. I hope that other ::cough:: Grandmother doesn't get much contact.

LOVE the Prosecutors in this case calling an ignorant spade an ignorant spade.

[crimeq]

I think the only think Casey will be tortured with is her own freedom and what SHE is missing. I can't imagine her giving a single thought to Caylee.

I agree that Casey will not be "tortured" with sentimental reminiscences of her daughter, Caylee. Casey wanted Caylee out of the picture; she didn't care about birthdays and Christmases and other holidays with this little girl, she didn't care about her first day in school much less her graduation and future life beyond that.

Casey wanted Caylee gone. It's very unlikely IMO that she gives Caylee a passing thought on ANY day, special day or not, other than to blame Caylee for the predicament that she, Casey, is in now.

[Anakerie]

I agree that Casey will not be "tortured" with sentimental reminiscences of her daughter, Caylee. Casey wanted Caylee out of the picture; she didn't care about birthdays and Christmases and other holidays with this little girl, she didn't care about her first day in school much less her graduation and future life beyond that.

Casey wanted Caylee gone. It's very unlikely IMO that she gives Caylee a passing thought on ANY day, special day or not, other than to blame Caylee for the predicament that she, Casey, is in now.
I'm agreeing with those who say that Casey won't be spending time being sentimental about Caylee. IMO Casey would be more likely to spend time reminiscing about her many boyfriends, the parties, the dancing at Fusion or other clubs or even remembering the nghts spent texting on the phone or chatting on the computer.

[JadedPoet]

I'm agreeing with those who say that Casey won't be spending time being sentimental about Caylee. IMO Casey would be more likely to spend time reminiscing about her many boyfriends, the parties, the dancing at Fusion or other clubs or even remembering the nghts spent texting on the phone or chatting on the computer.

Yes, and judging by her appearance at her last hearing, it looks to me that its wearing on her already. Finally reality is setting in. I wonder if Casey still thinks she is going to be tanning on the beach when this trial is over. I'm sure that's why she is pushing for a Miami trial...she can go straight from the courtroom to lying on the sand. :laugh:

[crimeq]

Just reading over on SM and saw a blog about Thompson the computer monitor guy ... interesting commentary by a local resident
Marinade Dave's Mind Blogging (http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/)
Very interesting!

Denjet, this is very interesting, but I have to say that the kind of doors Thompson described are exactly the kind of doors in my Walmart right now --where the receipt checkers stand to look at receipts, there are doors that go into the lobby area where the carts are kept -- and automatic doors open to the outside from that lobby area. There ARE doors separating the lobby area from the store and I believe those doors are manual. The one going out, where the receipt checker stands, is usually open. I think the one COMING IN to the store may not always be open and I think requires manual opening??? but not sure of this.

I'm going to Walmart within the next few days and will see how this works at my Walmart, but I completely recognize Thompson's description of the "lobby" with opening vs. manual doors.

[Neffy]

I'm agreeing with those who say that Casey won't be spending time being sentimental about Caylee. IMO Casey would be more likely to spend time reminiscing about her many boyfriends, the parties, the dancing at Fusion or other clubs or even remembering the nghts spent texting on the phone or chatting on the computer.

Agreed. Like when she was sprung from Jail. Just wanted to eat, take a shower and talk about herself. Not one word about Caylee.

I wouldn't have been able to do any of the above and probably would't have cared where I was if my child was missing.

[Deannalynn]

I agree that Casey will not be "tortured" with sentimental reminiscences of her daughter, Caylee. Casey wanted Caylee out of the picture; she didn't care about birthdays and Christmases and other holidays with this little girl, she didn't care about her first day in school much less her graduation and future life beyond that.

Casey wanted Caylee gone. It's very unlikely IMO that she gives Caylee a passing thought on ANY day, special day or not, other than to blame Caylee for the predicament that she, Casey, is in now.

I'm sure Casey is blaming Cindy for all this and thinks Cindy drove her to do what she did by continuously hacking at her about Caylee everyday.
She clearly remembers telling Cindy she did not want Caylee from the get go. In addition, she did say she wanted to put Caylee up for adoption. Cindy wouldn't have it. Instead she tried to force Casey into being a mother. Casey wouldn't have it.

[crimeq]

I tell ya', I accompanied many an extraction team to AD SEG (when a use of force is instituted, the prison must notify medical so that a nurse can be present to assess the inmate and the staff in case of injuries). Many a man has gone stark raving mad in their cages. One of the things in retrospect I wish I had refused, is when an inmate would go under their bunk and be catatonic, or even if they were hanging or blood was gushing everywhere, the prison staff would protect themselves with the electric shield (now not in use D/T deaths) and have me go in and see if the inmate was "playing possum" to try to assault staff or escape, or if they were truly catatonic, injured or dead. I was the guinea pig.

Rare is the inmate that is isolated that doesn't show the scars for it. Even when she goes to her every other day shower, she will be chained. Same if she needs medical. Anytime she leaves her cage, she will be shackled. Princess won't be happy.

OMG, shackled for her shower -- showers are clearly important "feel good" sessions for Casey, so she won't like this at all.

I wonder if she showers unshackled at the OC Jail, though, since she is shackled to meet with Jose and all other times she leaves her cell, maybe she is already shackled for her showers.

I simply cannot imagine. Water is healing to me, and it seems it was too to Casey, since she always wanted that shower to "feel better". Imagine having that taken away too.

She's right, her life "has been taken from her". By her own actions.

[Lavinya]

OMG, shackled for her shower -- showers are clearly important "feel good" sessions for Casey, so she won't like this at all.

I wonder if she showers unshackled at the OC Jail, though, since she is shackled to meet with Jose and all other times she leaves her cell, maybe she is already shackled for her showers.

I simply cannot imagine. Water is healing to me, and it seems it was too to Casey, since she always wanted that shower to "feel better". Imagine having that taken away too.

She's right, her life "has been taken from her". By her own actions.

Crime, they will shackle her to go down to the shower, and back to her "house" but they will not make her shower with chains on. Or will they? :sneaky: (She will be watched during her shower most likely though.)

[hello its me]

Crime, they will shackle her to go down to the shower, and back to her "house" but they will not make her shower with chains on. Or will they? :sneaky: (She will be watched during her shower most likely though.)



She might not like the showers as much now that her once-tight little bod is softening and expanding.

[SayItAgain]

thanks! that is nice to hear. Charla's mother is the perfect guardian for Erika. She'll keep her close to Charla. I hope that other ::cough:: Grandmother doesn't get much contact.

LOVE the Prosecutors in this case calling an ignorant spade an ignorant spade.

Not sure how much time is spent with Grandma Mack. Last time I heard, that side of the family still hadn't parted with a dime in support.

I love these SA's too, in particular Linda Drane-Burdick. I liked her the first time I saw her as much as I disliked Cindy Anthony the first time I saw her. :glare:

[Lavinya]

She might not like the showers as much now that her once-tight little bod is softening and expanding.

Oh heck, haven't you heard of La Bella Vida? :laugh:

[hello its me]

Oh heck, haven't you heard of La Bella Vida? :laugh:

wish they'd make her strut into court next Friday in that stolen blue hoody. How many seams would burst... la bella vida! You are right, Lavinya...:w00t:

[SayItAgain]

I tell ya', I accompanied many an extraction team to AD SEG (when a use of force is instituted, the prison must notify medical so that a nurse can be present to assess the inmate and the staff in case of injuries). Many a man has gone stark raving mad in their cages. One of the things in retrospect I wish I had refused, is when an inmate would go under their bunk and be catatonic, or even if they were hanging or blood was gushing everywhere, the prison staff would protect themselves with the electric shield (now not in use D/T deaths) and have me go in and see if the inmate was "playing possum" to try to assault staff or escape, or if they were truly catatonic, injured or dead. I was the guinea pig.

Rare is the inmate that is isolated that doesn't show the scars for it. Even when she goes to her every other day shower, she will be chained. Same if she needs medical. Anytime she leaves her cage, she will be shackled. Princess won't be happy.

Hey sis! :seeya:

Law & Order SVU was about this very thing last nite. A man who'd spent many years in prison (like, close to 20 IIRC) spent them all in isolation. He was about half-mad when he was released. He tossed Stabler (the male detective) off a rooftop, and at his trial he testified very convincingly about how all those years of isolation messed with his head and caused him to hear voices.

So Stabler decided to see what it was like ... went to the prison and into isolation for 3 days. When the guard opened the door to let him out, Stabler about took his head off. He thought he'd been in there a week and not just 3 days. It was so difficult on him he wanted to drop the charges on the guy who tossed him off the roof.

Okay ... am I the O/T Queen today or what? And now back to your regular programming. :blushing:

[Sun]

Crime, they will shackle her to go down to the shower, and back to her "house" but they will not make her shower with chains on. Or will they? :sneaky: (She will be watched during her shower most likely though.)

Prison life could be much different that what Casey is now enjoying. IIRC, Casey is shackled every time she exits her cell (all inmates in protective custody at her status level would be treated alike), but may be unshackled (at least her hands) when she is with her attorneys. And, unshackled during showering or in a secure exercise area.

[Sun]

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=128447&cat=14

John Morgan, the attorney representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a defamation suit against Casey Anthony, will be appearing on 48 Hours Mystery on October 17, 2009.

[Lavinya]

Prison life could be much different that what Casey is now enjoying. IIRC, Casey is shackled every time she exits her cell (all inmates in protective custody at her status level would be treated alike), but may be unshackled (at least her hands) when she is with her attorneys. And, unshackled during showering or in a secure exercise area.

Oh she hasn't seen anything yet, lol. Jailhouse employees are notoriously easier on inmates both because you have some people in there for petty crimes that may not deserve harsh treatment and many people are still awaiting trial and are considered innocent so it's a different kettle of fish. Once they hit prison, you know they're hardcore and will be treated as such in many cases. Don't get me wrong, it's not like staff are abusive in prisons, most correctional officers are quite professional, but it's still pretty dog eat dog, in there. Prison is where I first learned the phrase, "Don't confuse my kindness with weakness." You CAN'T be nice to inmates. Not much anyway. A good CO will treat an inmate respectfully, *if* they earn it, but no favors. An inmate would *own* you once you did favors for them. No one would be sneaking her food in prison, that's for sure.

[Neffy]

:laugh:http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=128447&cat=14

John Morgan, the attorney representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a defamation suit against Casey Anthony, will be appearing on 48 Hours Mystery on October 17, 2009.

OH YES! This promises to be a good one! I was getting worried it would be FLAWED. :laugh:

[Sun]

:laugh:

OH YES! This promises to be a good one! I was getting worried it would be FLAWED. :laugh:

I *heart* John Morgan. :wub:

[Lavinya]

Hey sis! :seeya:

Law & Order SVU was about this very thing last nite. A man who'd spent many years in prison (like, close to 20 IIRC) spent them all in isolation. He was about half-mad when he was released. He tossed Stabler (the male detective) off a rooftop, and at his trial he testified very convincingly about how all those years of isolation messed with his head and caused him to hear voices.

So Stabler decided to see what it was like ... went to the prison and into isolation for 3 days. When the guard opened the door to let him out, Stabler about took his head off. He thought he'd been in there a week and not just 3 days. It was so difficult on him he wanted to drop the charges on the guy who tossed him off the roof.

Okay ... am I the O/T Queen today or what? And now back to your regular programming. :blushing:

Hey girl! :wub:

Ad SEG is something! There are a lot of damaged people in SEG. We had TONS of severely mentally ill people and a lot of self-mutilators in there. Those guys would stand at their doors when anyone new would go on the tiers and it was like a bunch of animals. They looked wild and acted wild. A very uncomfortable place to be and I was on the other side of the door.

I knew I was going to work in a prison, but the first time I went there, and I hit the first sally-port, when the door closed behind me, I had a moment of panic, because I knew I belonged to someone else. I wasn't going to get out of there without someone letting me out. I no longer had free will.

I think the bloom is off the rose for Casey by now. Now she realizes she's not this little bad azz with all this attention. Being locked up is her life and I think she no longer has the thirst for the novelty. I can't wait to see how she ends. I would give my eyeteeth to hear about what's going on with her.

[Sun]

Hey girl! :wub:

Ad SEG is something! There are a lot of damaged people in SEG. We had TONS of severely mentally ill people and a lot of self-mutilators in there. Those guys would stand at their doors when anyone new would go on the tiers and it was like a bunch of animals. They looked wild and acted wild. A very uncomfortable place to be and I was on the other side of the door.

I knew I was going to work in a prison, but the first time I went there, and I hit the first sally-port, when the door closed behind me, I had a moment of panic, because I knew I belonged to someone else. I wasn't going to get out of there without someone letting me out. I no longer had free will.

I think the bloom is off the rose for Casey by now. Now she realizes she's not this little bad azz with all this attention. Being locked up is her life and I think she no longer has the thirst for the novelty. I can't wait to see how she ends. I would give my eyeteeth to hear about what's going on with her.

I have found it amazing that the jail has managed to prevent "leaks" of how Casey is doing in the jail (for the mostpart).

[KittyMom]

I tell ya', I accompanied many an extraction team to AD SEG (when a use of force is instituted, the prison must notify medical so that a nurse can be present to assess the inmate and the staff in case of injuries). Many a man has gone stark raving mad in their cages. One of the things in retrospect I wish I had refused, is when an inmate would go under their bunk and be catatonic, or even if they were hanging or blood was gushing everywhere, the prison staff would protect themselves with the electric shield (now not in use D/T deaths) and have me go in and see if the inmate was "playing possum" to try to assault staff or escape, or if they were truly catatonic, injured or dead. I was the guinea pig.

Rare is the inmate that is isolated that doesn't show the scars for it. Even when she goes to her every other day shower, she will be chained. Same if she needs medical. Anytime she leaves her cage, she will be shackled. Princess won't be happy.

Now see, the meanie in me comes out and wishes that one of her guards leans in and whispers, "I'll be those chains chafe as much as the duct tape did on Caylee's jaw." :sneaky:

[Lavinya]

Now see, the meanie in me comes out and wishes that one of her guards leans in and whispers, "I'll be those chains chafe as much as the duct tape did on Caylee's jaw." :sneaky:

Oh she will definitely hear that! I'm sure she hears that on a regular basis now, at least from other inmates hollering at her. There is a lot of hollering and yelling that goes on in those places, all night and all day.

[SayItAgain]

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=128447&cat=14

John Morgan, the attorney representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a defamation suit against Casey Anthony, will be appearing on 48 Hours Mystery on October 17, 2009.

:w00t: :thumbup: :beer:

[Lavinya]

I have found it amazing that the jail has managed to prevent "leaks" of how Casey is doing in the jail (for the mostpart).

I know, and I think they should sate our desire to hear about her, lol. I can't believe we don't hear anything. <stamping my feet>

[Lavinya]

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=128447&cat=14

John Morgan, the attorney representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a defamation suit against Casey Anthony, will be appearing on 48 Hours Mystery on October 17, 2009.

:beer: :beer:

[Sun]

I know, and I think they should sate our desire to hear about her, lol. I can't believe we don't hear anything. <stamping my feet>

I think that I would rather not hear anything, than have to endure listening to Baez whine about Casey's rights.

[ladeebug565]

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=128447&cat=14

John Morgan, the attorney representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a defamation suit against Casey Anthony, will be appearing on 48 Hours Mystery on October 17, 2009.

Rut roh! Me thinks Cindy is gonna blow a gasket!

[newsjunkie]

Prison life could be much different that what Casey is now enjoying. IIRC, Casey is shackled every time she exits her cell (all inmates in protective custody at her status level would be treated alike), but may be unshackled (at least her hands) when she is with her attorneys. And, unshackled during showering or in a secure exercise area.


If Casey is found guilty in the fraud case she will be a felon. Where will she wait until the murder trial? Prison or Orange County Jail?

[crimeq]

Crime, they will shackle her to go down to the shower, and back to her "house" but they will not make her shower with chains on. Or will they? :sneaky: (She will be watched during her shower most likely though.)

OMG what a dismal life she leads, I wonder if she thinks it was worth it.

[Sun]

If Casey is found guilty in the fraud case she will be a felon. Where will she wait until the murder trial? Prison or Orange County Jail?

Some have said that she would remain where she was, mostly because her attorneys would claim it would be a hardship for them if she wasn't readily available to them (to be able to plan her defense).

And, some have said that if she was sentenced to a lengthy period, she "could" be transfered to a nearby prison. ....I've thought that this could be a fairly easy way for them to prevent the Orange County Jail from video taping Casey. (of course, then they might have to deal with prison and their rules of taping). :wink:

[denjet]

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=128447&cat=14

John Morgan, the attorney representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a defamation suit against Casey Anthony, will be appearing on 48 Hours Mystery on October 17, 2009.

Thank you Sun! You made my day! :biggrin:
It sounding more and more like it's not going to be the Cindy Hour and will be something she will probably end up not liking very much ... too bad ....

[apothecary]

While I very much agree with you that cindy and george are raking in the bucks over baby Caylee's dead body, I also believe that cindy is in agony over her decision to let casey leave the house that night with the baby. I think she will do her best to make as much money as she can, keep as busy as possible - but I think her drug bill will be huge for the rest of her life because she can't possibly put her head down at night without wishing, wishing, wishing she had not let casey and Caylee leave that night. :sad:
That is so much how I feel as well Holden.Somehow Cindy and George think that buckets of money will make up for the pain and guilt that they both probably feel.And I really think that they really feel that agonizing pain constantly and that is often why they are so beligerent because they are angry with themselves.

[KittyMom]

Is it too much to hope that tomorrow will be a dump day? :w00t:

[newsjunkie]

That is so much how I feel as well Holden.Somehow Cindy and George think that buckets of money will make up for the pain and guilt that they both probably feel.And I really think that they really feel that agonizing pain constantly and that is often why they are so beligerent because they are angry with themselves.


I agree that most normal people who made the choices George and Cindy made would feel the way you outlined.
I am just no so sure these people will react like "normal" people.

So far they have proved to be dysfunctional to the nthhhh degree.
To have sleepless nights you have to feel some guilt and as I see it they are throwing everyone else under the bus.

Tree meet Apple !

[denjet]

Is it too much to hope that tomorrow will be a dump day? :w00t:
Not too much too hope for, Kitty, at least not for me ... the defense got the pages yesterday so I see no reason why WE can't have them tomorrow !! LOL

[Trissy]

I havnt been following lately but is there a date set for Casey's trial?
TIA

[KittyMom]

Not too much too hope for, Kitty, at least not for me ... the defense got the pages yesterday so I see no reason why WE can't have them tomorrow !! LOL

Well, we had hump day yesterday, Fridays are always dump days, so maybe we'll get lucky. :thumbsup:

[Sun]

I havnt been following lately but is there a date set for Casey's trial?
TIA

No date set yet. There is a court hearing though on Friday Oct 16, to hear motions.

[crimeq]

While I very much agree with you that cindy and george are raking in the bucks over baby Caylee's dead body, I also believe that cindy is in agony over her decision to let casey leave the house that night with the baby. I think she will do her best to make as much money as she can, keep as busy as possible - but I think her drug bill will be huge for the rest of her life because she can't possibly put her head down at night without wishing, wishing, wishing she had not let casey and Caylee leave that night. :sad:

Cindy let Casey take little Caylee out of their house frequently and repeatedly without having any idea where Casey was taking Caylee or where Caylee was staying, or with whom. In fact, this occasion may well not have been the first time that there was a fight before Casey dragged Caylee away from the house -- in fact I'd be surprised if it was, as volatile as relationships in that house appear to be.

Cindy, Grandma Cindy, didn't have the babysitter's number. Period. Also, she'd never met the babysitter, didn't know where the babysitter lived, but the primary point here is that Cindy didn't care enough to have the babysitter's telephone number.

My sympathy for Cindy as grieving grandma starts ending there, and goes on to even less sympathy on my part, as more info became and continues to be known.

[summer4meplz]

Rut roh! Me thinks Cindy is gonna blow a gasket!

I sooooo hope Morgan's interview is accompanied with some of the "best" footage of him trying to depose c and a......

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=128447&cat=14

John Morgan, the attorney representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a defamation suit against Casey Anthony, will be appearing on 48 Hours Mystery on October 17, 2009.

Oh, this should be good!!:thumbsup:

[denjet]

Well, we had hump day yesterday, Fridays are always dump days, so maybe we'll get lucky. :thumbsup:
Well I'm sayin an extra prayer tonight! :wink:

[denjet]

I sooooo hope Morgan's interview is accompanied with some of the "best" footage of him trying to depose c and a......
OMG !! Please let it be the one where she looked like the Grinch pointing her evil finger at Morgan !!! Pretty please!

[tinkerbell]

OMG !! Please let it be the one where she looked like the Grinch pointing her evil finger at Morgan !!! Pretty please!

I'm hoping that the State's Document Dump will inspire the defense to also disclose their discovery!

They have to at some point before trial, don't they?

moo

[crimeq]

I sooooo hope Morgan's interview is accompanied with some of the "best" footage of him trying to depose c and a......

Yes, the news that Morgan is going to be on, as well as Diane Fanning, gives me more hope for the program. I :wub: John Morgan and he doesn't pull any punches.

It looks like 48 Hours did get some very high quality "other side" representation for this program.

[denjet]

Oh, this should be good!!:thumbsup:
Awesome! Diane Fanning's on it too I think ... now if they put the Grunds, Kathi Belich and Padilla on it !! ... it's sure turning into a show that may just have some facts of the case on it ....

[Pruddennce]

I believe he would have to be a law notary, and that would only stand up in estates etc...not in a case of giving himself power of attorney....I believe that would mean he would have to notarize his own signature.....But I'm really not to sure on this....maybe one of our legals will advise....

a notary CANNOT notarize a document without the person present.

PERIOD.

Baez has done some knarly things with this case. He cant be trusted. He attempted to keep Casey out of motions and procedures (pull up a bunk and relax, Im at the wheel).

The judge took action. casey will not be able to cry FOUL later down the road...crying I DIDNT KNOW. she is a liar, so allow the liar to sit there and listen to her OWN CASE unfold FIRSTHAND.

secondly, it is legal for an attorney to notarize a client's documents; however, first off, THEY HAVE TO BE THERE IN THEIR PRESENCE.

here is that passage:

http://www.flnotary.com/LawPage2.asp

(12) For purposes of this subsection, a notary public who is an attorney does not have a financial interest in and is not a party to the underlying transaction evidenced by a notarized document if he or she notarizes a signature on that document for a client for whom he or she serves as an attorney of record and he or she has no interest in the document other than the fee paid to him or her for legal services and the fee authorized by law for services as a notary public.

my underscore above: ha! debatable, huh? :D

it is quite possible he is signing things for her. and thats illegal. Baez employs shortcuts and hastily prepared motions which do not make sense. I can truly see him signing things because he is constantly behind and doesnt feel like dispatching 'his people' to her.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[sunbutterfly]

Good Evening.

WFTV Channel 6 just reported they would be recieving documents in the morning :) YIPPEE!! entomology reports ?

sorry no link I saw it on TV

[crimeq]

Awesome! Diane Fanning's on it too I think ... now if they put the Grunds, Kathi Belich and Padilla on it !! ... it's sure turning into a show that may just have some facts of the case on it ....

OMG I'd settle for KathiB, now that would be good representation of "the other side". But I agree, how wonderful if all those peeps you mentioned would be on it!

[Deannalynn]

a notary CANNOT notarize a document without the person present.

PERIOD.

Baez has done some knarly things with this case. He cant be trusted. He attempted to keep Casey out of motions and procedures (pull up a bunk and relax, Im at the wheel).

The judge took action. casey will not be able to cry FOUL later down the road...crying I DIDNT KNOW. she is a liar, so allow the liar to sit there and listen to her OWN CASE unfold FIRSTHAND.

secondly, it is legal for an attorney to notarize a client's documents; however, first off, THEY HAVE TO BE THERE IN THEIR PRESENCE.

here is that passage:

http://www.flnotary.com/LawPage2.asp

(12) For purposes of this subsection, a notary public who is an attorney does not have a financial interest in and is not a party to the underlying transaction evidenced by a notarized document if he or she notarizes a signature on that document for a client for whom he or she serves as an attorney of record and he or she has no interest in the document other than the fee paid to him or her for legal services and the fee authorized by law for services as a notary public.

my underscore above: ha! debatable, huh? :D

it is quite possible he is signing things for her. and thats illegal. Baez employs shortcuts and hastily prepared motions which do not make sense. I can truly see him signing things because he is constantly behind and doesnt feel like dispatching 'his people' to her.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Ya know Pru, you are amazing to read. I just had to share that.:biggrin:

[Spots]

a notary CANNOT notarize a document without the person present.

PERIOD.

Baez has done some knarly things with this case. He cant be trusted. He attempted to keep Casey out of motions and procedures (pull up a bunk and relax, Im at the wheel).

The judge took action. casey will not be able to cry FOUL later down the road...crying I DIDNT KNOW. she is a liar, so allow the liar to sit there and listen to her OWN CASE unfold FIRSTHAND.

secondly, it is legal for an attorney to notarize a client's documents; however, first off, THEY HAVE TO BE THERE IN THEIR PRESENCE.

here is that passage:

http://www.flnotary.com/LawPage2.asp

(12) For purposes of this subsection, a notary public who is an attorney does not have a financial interest in and is not a party to the underlying transaction evidenced by a notarized document if he or she notarizes a signature on that document for a client for whom he or she serves as an attorney of record and he or she has no interest in the document other than the fee paid to him or her for legal services and the fee authorized by law for services as a notary public.

my underscore above: ha! debatable, huh? :D

it is quite possible he is signing things for her. and thats illegal. Baez employs shortcuts and hastily prepared motions which do not make sense. I can truly see him signing things because he is constantly behind and doesnt feel like dispatching 'his people' to her.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

:lol:

Excellent analysis, as always, Pru! :D

[msgatorslayer]

OMG !! Please let it be the one where she looked like the Grinch pointing her evil finger at Morgan !!! Pretty please!

That and her moaning about not wanting to 'mic up', lmao.

Don't touch me!!! I'll have {can't even think of what it's called} but I'll do it. I'm not agreeing to 'mic up'.:rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

Good Evening.

WFTV Channel 6 just reported they would be recieving documents in the morning :) YIPPEE!! entomology reports ?

sorry no link I saw it on TV

I'm getting warm and fuzzy thinkin about it!!!:thumbsup:

Let's unleash the crock pots!!!

[Pruddennce]

Ya know Pru, you are amazing to read. I just had to share that.:biggrin:

thank you D and you are a pleasure.

her signature is shown on several pages of her written statement to LE as well as endorsing the back of STOLEN checks from mom, grandmom.

her statement to LE is so neatly printed and then there at the bottom of each page is her signature.

she has a signature...is she attempting to mimic Baez and AL by being cryptic?????

I tend to think she didnt sign this. it was a rush. a visitor log would help us clear it up: Baez with his notary stamp......

anyone else find it odd that the phrase appears "one of the attorneys for Casey Marie Anthony" next to Baez and AL's name?

one of?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[velvetbrown]

Cindy let Casey take little Caylee out of their house frequently and repeatedly without having any idea where Casey was taking Caylee or where Caylee was staying, or with whom. In fact, this occasion may well not have been the first time that there was a fight before Casey dragged Caylee away from the house -- in fact I'd be surprised if it was, as volatile as relationships in that house appear to be.

Cindy, Grandma Cindy, didn't have the babysitter's number. Period. Also, she'd never met the babysitter, didn't know where the babysitter lived, but the primary point here is that Cindy didn't care enough to have the babysitter's telephone number.

My sympathy for Cindy as grieving grandma starts ending there, and goes on to even less sympathy on my part, as more info became and continues to be known.

Hi Q,
ITA, well said

[martha]

Hi Q,
ITA, well said

ita any grandmother would want to know who was keeping their gb.You just don;t let just anyone keep your children now days. to much meaness going on in the world.I hear things everyday that I just can;t believe. jmho:wub:

[Julie Dupree]

ita any grandmother would want to know who was keeping their gb.You just don;t let just anyone keep your children now days. to much meaness going on in the world.I hear things everyday that I just can;t believe. jmho:wub:

Good Morning Ms Martha
I can not believe any grandmother could do what Cindy did. That is one thing I will never understand about this case..to me that 31 days says it all.

[martha]

Good Morning Ms Martha
I can not believe any grandmother could do what Cindy did. That is one thing I will never understand about this case..to me that 31 days says it all.You or so very right. I think that is what got to me the most when this first started was the 31 days. I just could not believe it and what mother would do something like that. It was awful that a mother would have her baby missing for 31 days and she did not say a word to anyone about it. Not even her boyfriend.The one person she was with all the time or most of the time.just will never understand that and to me there is no good reason for her not to tell it for 31 days.jmho:wub:

[Patty437]

"April 2006 Casey had been using Jesse and his family for babysitting, and when Mr Grund told her one day she was going to have to find someone, she immediately said she had one, and named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales."

I just read that on "prairiechicken.blogspot.com". Never heard that one before......namely, CA telling ANYONE that specific name prior to 7/15/08.

[Julie Dupree]

"April 2006 Casey had been using Jesse and his family for babysitting, and when Mr Grund told her one day she was going to have to find someone, she immediately said she had one, and named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales."

I just read that on "prairiechicken.blogspot.com". Never heard that one before......namely, CA telling ANYONE that specific name prior to 7/15/08.

I have never heard of "prairiechicken", but I find it hard to believe that we have not heard this before now.
Don't you think something is kinda weird about this coming out now?

[Patty437]

I have never heard of "prairiechicken", but I find it hard to believe that we have not heard this before now.
Don't you think something is kinda weird about this coming out now?

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/06/casey-anthony-timeline-revised-june-1.html

Yeah, it's very weird. It's a timeline of events starting back when CA worked for Kodak and I read that line and thought huh?

[desmom]

"April 2006 Casey had been using Jesse and his family for babysitting, and when Mr Grund told her one day she was going to have to find someone, she immediately said she had one, and named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales."

I just read that on "prairiechicken.blogspot.com". Never heard that one before......namely, CA telling ANYONE that specific name prior to 7/15/08.

I have never heard of "prairiechicken", but I find it hard to believe that we have not heard this before now.
Don't you think something is kinda weird about this coming out now?

Rev. Grund told LE about it in his interview dated September 5, 2008 - beginning on page 5 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund,%20Richard-0905.pdf

[taylor63]

Maybe Cindy will spew some more of her tales of what she knew about Zanny. One thing I never could understand, when Cindy said she had a ph. number or numbers for Zanny was this ever checked out for sure and why wasn't she asked for those numbers? I thought at the very beginning of this case she said she knew nothing about Zanny, other than her name.

If I am not mistaken,she only started saying she had Zannys number during the civil deposition. And of course,by then Casey was already in jail charged with Caylee's murder. I think she did it in the hopes of planting doubts in the minds of some very gullible would be jurors as to Casey's guilt.

[Kathlb]

I get this feeling that all is not well in the Casey Anthony camp. I really believe that they have come to the realization that they have nothing. And I think that Ms. Lyons has looked at everything and has told them how it is. Including Casey. I think that was the reason for her sour look at the last hearing. She now has a pretty good idea that things aren't going to go her way. I think Lyons has told her that she isn't getting out of this and that she's just trying to keep her away from the black needle.
That comment of Baez's about Casey would be the one to make the decision about a plea, is very telling. No more, she is innocent and we will prove it at trial. And I am pretty sure they aren't going to get offered a plea. They had one and she blew it off.

I also noticed that Cindy and George are pretty quiet after the State requested and got his Grand Jury testimony. He knows either he lied in the Grand Jury hearing or he told the truth then and lied big time in his deposition. Either way he is in trouble and he knows it. Cindy is probably burning the midnight oil to figure out what to say to get them off the hook. It won't work. MOO

[trich]

a notary CANNOT notarize a document without the person present.

PERIOD.



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


I used to be a notary and it is true ...also a notary must have proof
that that person is who she or he is(drivers license , some picture id).
Now if Casey gave Baez Power of Attorney that would be a different matter but also power of attorney usually stipulates what a person is giving that P of A for ...usually it is for specifics.
I know Casey is not the brightest bulb but surely she would not have given Baez P of A and able to sign everything for her.
Has anyone suggested or know if she indeed did that?

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21247660/detail.html

In the case against Casey Anthony, more evidence is expected to be released on Friday. Prosecutors said they'll release about 1,000 pages of discovery to her attorneys.

[no1what]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21247660/detail.html

In the case against Casey Anthony, more evidence is expected to be released on Friday. Prosecutors said they'll release about 1,000 pages of discovery to her attorneys.



Wake me up when they get here.

[Sun]

Wake me up when they get here.

I'm wondering about the way it is worded. It says "released to her attorneys" ....I would feel better if it said that it was going to be released to the public.

[cassidy]

I'm wondering about the way it is worded. It says "released to her attorneys" ....I would feel better if it said that it was going to be released to the public.

I think they have to be released to the defense and then released to the public.

[Scampi]

Rev. Grund told LE about it in his interview dated September 5, 2008 - beginning on page 5 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund,%20Richard-0905.pdf


Thanks Des, for reposting this. I found a few interesting things that I had forgotten. Mr. Grund did say that casey anthony mentioned the name Zenaida Gonzoles (without the Fernandez) back when his family was watching Caylee

and

That according to george, both he and cindy knew that Jesse Grund was not the father, before the paternity test proved it. That was new to me.
Shows the character of these people, imo.

[Sun]

I think they have to be released to the defense and then released to the public.

And that is why I'm not holding my breath. Many times I've detected Discovery released to the defense, and we don't get it for another 1-3 weeks or longer.

[PrincessR]

I used to be a notary and it is true ...also a notary must have proof
that that person is who she or he is(drivers license , some picture id).
Now if Casey gave Baez Power of Attorney that would be a different matter but also power of attorney usually stipulates what a person is giving that P of A for ...usually it is for specifics.
I know Casey is not the brightest bulb but surely she would not have given Baez P of A and able to sign everything for her.
Has anyone suggested or know if she indeed did that?

I think I can add to this if you don't mind. There are Durable POA and Specific POA. Durable POA I believe are mostly used for the sick or near death if you will giving that person the ability to sign for anything relating to that person. Specific POA states what circumstances the person can be the POA on. Thank you

[desmom]

If I am not mistaken,she only started saying she had Zannys number during the civil deposition. And of course,by then Casey was already in jail charged with Caylee's murder. I think she did it in the hopes of planting doubts in the minds of some very gullible would be jurors as to Casey's guilt.

Cindy told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's phone and address page 23 http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/CINDYANTHONYPT1.pdf (transcript of FBI interview with Cindy Anthony)

Cindy's interview with the FBI was on July 30, 2008 per http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html and released last November in video format. The transcript was released 7/30/09.

jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Cindy told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's phone and address page 23 http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/CINDYANTHONYPT1.pdf (transcript of FBI interview with Cindy Anthony)

Cindy's interview with the FBI was on July 30, 2008 per http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html and released last November in video format. The transcript was released 7/30/09.

jmo

Yeah, yeah, yeah!! We hear ya, Cindy.

You say you had contact information for Zanny. However, when you found your Daughter's death mobile you didn't know how to contact her. It never occured to you that Casey would be showing up at the Zanny's house, did it? Nope!! You had to dig around the stinky car to find a clue as to how to get ahold of Casey.

Instead of calling the Zanny number/s or driving over to the address/s you had, you contacted Amy.

Go ahead and try to insert {Casey was in J'Ville or Tampa} and that is why you knew you couldn't find Casey through the Zanny. You knew that was not true. You knew she was right there in Orlando.

Which brings me to Lee. You had him tracking Casey down through myspace and clubs, etc. Why didn't you have him do a stake out at the address/s you claim to have had for Zanny? After all, when you did talk to Casey, she was always telling you that Caylee was with the Zanny at the beach or Universal.

Cause you're a liar. IMO

[spydernweb2006]

I used to be a notary and it is true ...also a notary must have proof
that that person is who she or he is(drivers license , some picture id).
Now if Casey gave Baez Power of Attorney that would be a different matter but also power of attorney usually stipulates what a person is giving that P of A for ...usually it is for specifics.
I know Casey is not the brightest bulb but surely she would not have given Baez P of A and able to sign everything for her.
Has anyone suggested or know if she indeed did that?

I also was a Notary in the state of FL and a Notary CANNOT notorize their own signature. Now another member of his firm can notorize Baez's sig but he cannot do his own. They also cannot notorize ANY transaction to which they will financially benefit from.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[desmom]

And that is why I'm not holding my breath. Many times I've detected Discovery released to the defense, and we don't get it for another 1-3 weeks or longer.

I am confused... http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/developing-new-casey-anthony-d.html

The State Attorney's office is releasing more evidence in the murder case against Casey Anthony Friday.

The information apparently includes all the evidence not already released by prosecutors. WDBO is going through the documents, and will update this story throughout the day.

ETA - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-100909,0,132458.story

More documents related to the state's case against Casey Anthony have been released today.

The Orlando Sentinel is in the process of obtaining the documents right now.

[msgatorslayer]

Has anyone else actually read the Murt chat that was in the last doc dump?:scared:

[PrincessR]

Has anyone else actually read the Murt chat that was in the last doc dump?:scared:

I would like to but I have no idea how to get to it. Can you be so kind and to provide me with I link. thank you in advance for you assistance

[Sun]

I am confused... http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/developing-new-casey-anthony-d.html

The State Attorney's office is releasing more evidence in the murder case against Casey Anthony Friday.

The information apparently includes all the evidence not already released by prosecutors. WDBO is going through the documents, and will update this story throughout the day.

ETA - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-100909,0,132458.story

More documents related to the state's case against Casey Anthony have been released today.

The Orlando Sentinel is in the process of obtaining the documents right now.

desmom, that is very, very good news! It does seem like we will indeed get a doc dump today! I'd better clear my afternoon schedule.

[msgatorslayer]

I would like to but I have no idea how to get to it. Can you be so kind and to provide me with I link. thank you in advance for you assistance

I was not able to read them in the actual doc dump. Somehow or another, I stumbled upon this.

http://beaconhell.com/b/blog/2009/10/01/even-more-anthony-documents/#more-1746

[hello its me]

I am confused... http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/developing-new-casey-anthony-d.html

The State Attorney's office is releasing more evidence in the murder case against Casey Anthony Friday.

The information apparently includes all the evidence not already released by prosecutors. WDBO is going through the documents, and will update this story throughout the day.

ETA - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-100909,0,132458.story

More documents related to the state's case against Casey Anthony have been released today.

The Orlando Sentinel is in the process of obtaining the documents right now.

We get the previously not released stuff. NOT the bug stuff that was turned over to Jose today. We'll get that in a few weeks. I think each media outlet has to go get a copy and pay for it. Timing difference.

[msgatorslayer]

We get the previously not released stuff. NOT the bug stuff that was turned over to Jose today. We'll get that in a few weeks. I think each media outlet has to go get a copy and pay for it. Timing difference.

I recall reading that the entomolgy reports were handed over to the defense on Weds.

ETA - It's on the first post in this thread.

[hello its me]

I recall reading that the entomolgy reports were handed over to the defense on Weds.

ETA - It's on the first post in this thread.

I still don't think we get them today.

[MGM111]

I recall reading that the entomolgy reports were handed over to the defense on Weds.

ETA - It's on the first post in this thread.

Good Morning

Entomology release!!
Wonder if the data will be from the woods or the car..hopefully both!!

[cassidy]

We should be getting them today:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-100909,0,132458.story

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21241690/detail.html

In a new document filed Thursday, prosecutors are accusing Casey Anthony’s defense team of filing yet another bogus motion, this time over the death penalty. (I've not yet found a link to this Response Document)

here is the Motion that it is in Response to:
Defense Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures (9/30/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

[jammies]

We should be getting them today:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-100909,0,132458.story


Morning Cass! My refresh button is gonna wear out! Last update was at 9:01......it's 9:41............tapping fingers...

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21247660/detail.html

9:35 am EDT October 9, 2009 --About 1,000 pages of discovery were released to Anthony's attorneys. Also included were photos of Anthony's Bella Vita tattoo and duct tape found at the crime scene.

The photos will be posted on WESH.com shortly.

[cassidy]

Morning Cass! My refresh button is gonna wear out! Last update was at 9:01......it's 9:41............tapping fingers...


lOL I hear ya! Must be alot in there for them to go over

[Sun]

How do you suppose Casey is feeling today, knowing that photos of her tattoo will be released to the public today?

[Bala]

I was not able to read them in the actual doc dump. Somehow or another, I stumbled upon this.

http://beaconhell.com/b/blog/2009/10/01/even-more-anthony-documents/#more-1746

Can you tell me who Murt is and how how's connected to the Anthony's?