10/6,10/7

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! I was taking a broad look at all the outstanding motions, and it hit me. If Judge Strickland rules as some think he might, it will be sending a powerful message to Casey.

Your case is not going to be dismissed.
The death penalty is a real possibility.

You are being asked to produce the reciprocal discovery that would prove your innocence.
(your bluff from the other day in court has been called)

The murder charges against you are not going to go away.
The aggrevated child abuse charges are not going to go away.

The monitoring and video taping of you in the jail is not going to stop.
The video/audio taping of your family (phone call or visiting) will not stop.

[desmom]

Good morning everyone! I was taking a broad look at all the outstanding motions, and it hit me. If Judge Strickland rules as some think he might, it will be sending a powerful message to Casey.

Your case is not going to be dismissed.
The death penalty is a real possibility.

You are being asked to produce the reciprocal discovery that would prove your innocence.
(your bluff from the other day in court has been called)

The murder charges against you are not going to go away.
The aggrevated child abuse charges are not going to go away.

The monitoring and video taping of you in the jail is not going to stop.
The video/audio taping of your family (phone call or visiting) will not stop.


Good Morning Sun and I agree!

For the first time in Casey's life, this is not something Mommy and Daddy can make go away. Casey cannot blame this on her friends or her parents. She was the last known person to be with Caylee; the decomp odor was in Casey's car; she failed to notify LE, her parents or even a friend Caylee was missing; she lied to everyone about Caylee's whereabouts; she carried on with her life as single care free 22 year old; no phone calls, emails, text messages between Casey and "the nanny"; she lied to LE from the moment they arrived on Hopespring Drive. jmo

[Sun]

Good Morning Sun and I agree!

For the first time in Casey's life, this is not something Mommy and Daddy can make go away. Casey cannot blame this on her friends or her parents. She was the last known person to be with Caylee; the decomp odor was in Casey's car; she failed to notify LE, her parents or even a friend Caylee was missing; she lied to everyone about Caylee's whereabouts; she carried on with her life as single care free 22 year old; no phone calls, emails, text messages between Casey and "the nanny"; she lied to LE from the moment they arrived on Hopespring Drive. jmo

Good morning desmom, ITA. And, with all these motions that Lyon has filed, is SHE trying to get this message across to Casey also? You don't suppose Casey is still telling her defense the same old lies, and maintaining that Zanny did this, do you?

[desmom]

Good morning desmom, ITA. And, with all these motions that Lyon has filed, is SHE trying to get this message across to Casey also? You don't suppose Casey is still telling her defense the same old lies, and maintaining that Zanny did this, do you?

Who knows what Casey is telling the defense team. It must be good because JB insists there is a reasonable explanation for the 31 days.

I have to keep reminding myself and I hope the prosecution hammer it home at trial, Casey did not report Caylee missing after 31 days. The only reason Caylee's disappearance became known was because of the tow notice.

jmo

ETA ~ I typed the word h a m m e r and it comes up with hammer.

:confused:

[Explorer]

Hi everyone I was just on the Caylee Daily and they are saying that Baez said they may be open to a plea deal. Did anyone hear that?

[desmom]

Hi everyone I was just on the Caylee Daily and they are saying that Baez said they may be open to a plea deal. Did anyone hear that?

I think it may come from this: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-asks-if-jose-baez-signals-shift-in-defense.html

On Fox News Channel, Geraldo Rivera interviewed Baez and brought up a plea deal for Anthony.

"That's not my decision to make," Baez told Rivera. "Any plea that would ever be taken would have to be taken by Casey, and she would have to accept the plea if one were offered."

[Explorer]

I think it may come from this: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-asks-if-jose-baez-signals-shift-in-defense.html

On Fox News Channel, Geraldo Rivera interviewed Baez and brought up a plea deal for Anthony.

"That's not my decision to make," Baez told Rivera. "Any plea that would ever be taken would have to be taken by Casey, and she would have to accept the plea if one were offered."

I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of Casey Anthonys defense.

[Scampi]

Who knows what Casey is telling the defense team. It must be good because JB insists there is a reasonable explanation for the 31 days.

I have to keep reminding myself and I hope the prosecution hammer it home at trial, Casey did not report Caylee missing after 31 days. The only reason Caylee's disappearance became known was because of the tow notice.

jmo

ETA ~ I typed the word h a m m e r and it comes up with hammer.

:confused:

Des, besides some kind of mental fugue state, what on earth could be the reasonable explanation for casey not calling 911 for 31 days and also explain her abysmal actions during those 31 days. I can't think of any, can you and certain none that are "compelling."

[Explorer]

I think that their idea of a plea deal is time served.:biggrin:

[Sun]

Hi everyone I was just on the Caylee Daily and they are saying that Baez said they may be open to a plea deal. Did anyone hear that?

I believe that is just speculation. Mostly media hype.

[Explorer]

I believe that is just speculation. Mostly media hype.

Bill Shaffer was saying that they are doing her no favors by doing that.

[Explorer]

Bill Shaffer acts like he is disgusted by the way her defense is handling this case.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone! I was taking a broad look at all the outstanding motions, and it hit me. If Judge Strickland rules as some think he might, it will be sending a powerful message to Casey.

Your case is not going to be dismissed.
The death penalty is a real possibility.

You are being asked to produce the reciprocal discovery that would prove your innocence.
(your bluff from the other day in court has been called)

The murder charges against you are not going to go away.
The aggrevated child abuse charges are not going to go away.

The monitoring and video taping of you in the jail is not going to stop.
The video/audio taping of your family (phone call or visiting) will not stop.

Morning Sun, an excellent analysis of the situation in which casey anthony may find herself very soon.

I seriously doubt the State is interested in any plea tho, unless it is guilty to all charges and in exchange the DP is removed and she agrees to life without the possibility of parole.

I also doubt if her crack defense team are interested in her pleading out, why then there goes their fame and fortune on this case. IMO, they have never had their client's best interest at heart and so the trial will go on.

[Bala]

I believe that is just speculation. Mostly media hype.
What he said when on Geraldo was any plea would have to come from Casey. She would have to make that decision. What he didn't do was rule it out like usual saying Casey is innocent and they will prove it in court.

[desmom]

Des, besides some kind of mental fugue state, what on earth could be the reasonable explanation for casey not calling 911 for 31 days and also explain her abysmal actions during those 31 days. I can't think of any, can you and certain none that are "compelling."

Beats me!

Cindy said several times Casey was receiving threats and that is why Casey was not talking.

I want to know how Casey received those threats because there is nothing in her phone records or on her computer per the doc dumps we have seen.

jmo

[Sun]

Morning Sun, an excellent analysis of the situation in which casey anthony may find herself very soon.

I seriously doubt the State is interested in any plea tho, unless it is guilty to all charges and in exchange the DP is removed and she agrees to life without the possibility of parole.

I also doubt if her crack defense team are interested in her pleading out, why then there goes their fame and fortune on this case. IMO, they have never had their client's best interest at heart and so the trial will go on.

While I agree that Baez has never had Casey's best interest at heart, I don't quite group Lyon in with that (not yet anyway). I am wondering if Lyon may be having a difficult time making Casey believe that the death penalty is a serious matter that she is facing. For all we know, Baez may have spent the last year+ pumping Casey up to think that she will beat these charges, and now Lyon is having to shake those thoughts from Casey's mind. I don't really know.

[Pam1569]

Bolding by me....

Good morning, everyone!

You know, I was thinking about the latest round of media interviews by the defense team on Friday and I was thinking about JB's statement that Casey has a compelling reason for not reporting Caylee missing during those 31 days. On the same day in another interview, LKB's response as to why Casey didn't report Caylee missing was that it was just a stupid thing that people do. HUH? The two of them just totally contradicted each other. Which one is it? Is there a compelling reason for Casey not reporting Caylee missing or was it just a stupid mistake that she made? It can't be both. This is a prime example of why the defense team should stay quiet and not do any interviews at all. I wish the media would pick up on this glaring contradiction to this very important and vital question by 2 members of the defense team on the exact same day. AL must be having a fit about the latest media blitz. I find it very interesting and very telling that she did not participate in this latest round of interviews.

GM Lady,

IIRC on the third 911 call Cindy made on July 15th and the dispatcher spoke with Casey that exact same thing came out of her mouth. "Stupid" So I guess they are going with LKB theory. jmo

[LadyHam]

Morning Sun, an excellent analysis of the situation in which casey anthony may find herself very soon.

I seriously doubt the State is interested in any plea tho, unless it is guilty to all charges and in exchange the DP is removed and she agrees to life without the possibility of parole.

I also doubt if her crack defense team are interested in her pleading out, why then there goes their fame and fortune on this case. IMO, they have never had their client's best interest at heart and so the trial will go on.

Bolding by me...

I so agree w/you, and I think that was an excellent analysis by Sun as well.:thumbup:

I don't think the defense is doing Casey any favors right now. They are just perpetuating her fantasy that she is going to beat this rap and somehow get out of this. Instead of spending the time to file these motions that don't have any chance of being granted much less even heard by the judge, they should be counseling her on what her options realistically are, and counseling her on trying to make some sort of plea deal with the prosecution. The problem for her is that the time has come and gone for her to make a good plea deal. I think the only plea deal the state would even consider now would be one that involved LWOP. At least that would spare her life. If she wanted the hope to someday get out of prison, then she should have been talking to LE before Caylee's body was found. The defense, and Casey, in their arrogance, left themselves w/absolutely no options whatsoever.

[LadyHam]

While I agree that Baez has never had Casey's best interest at heart, I don't quite group Lyon in with that (not yet anyway). I am wondering if Lyon may be having a difficult time making Casey believe that the death penalty is a serious matter that she is facing. For all we know, Baez may have spent the last year+ pumping Casey up to think that she will beat these charges, and now Lyon is having to shake those thoughts from Casey's mind. I don't really know.

I agree, Sun. And w/the way that JB has isolated Casey this past year from virtually everyone but him, probably has her really trusting him and what he is telling her. If AL is telling her something different than what JB is telling her, she may just choose to believe JB because his scenario is a better one than the one that AL is probably laying out for her.

[Barbara fl.]

Im sort of getting the feeling that the state pretty much knows HOW Caylee died and when that comes out in court all hell is going to break loose for all the anthonys.


I agree....I wonder if Casey will eventually try for a plea deal...she may be running this to the hilt like she did with everything else....but a plea deal will only get her LWOP.....

[LadyHam]

I believe the clinical name is "fugue state" due to some traumatic event.

I do think the State would offer a plea of LWOP for a guilty to all charges.

Gonna be real interesting to see what's going to happen. I want this trial, but having casey anthony plead guilty would be amazing, if only to see the reaction of her cheerleaders, cynthia, lee and george.

Bolding by me...

If Casey if found guilty, or even if she takes a plea deal and admits her guilt, I don't think the Anthony's will even publicly say that they believe it. They will say that she is innocent and was found guilty or forced to take a plea deal because she was convicted in the media and in the court of public opinion and she just couldn't get a fair trial. They will probably make it their life's work to prove her innocence.:rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

coupled with Baez now spewing forth talk of a plea deal....must be a whopper for him to suddenly utter the word plea...IMO, the state isnt going to offer her anything...curiosity as to 'how and where' Caylee died is tempting, but at this point the state, LE, the FBI have substantiated she is a liar. the state isnt going to give her entre to tell yet another 'story' to save herself from the DP. IMO

the duct tape on Caylee's mouth is problematic....Casey A will never admit when and why that tape was applied. IMO

she was offered a plea deal before her remains were found. Baez was pompous at that time and ignored the offer.

Casey A will NEVER admit she was culpable. someone else, newly conjured up or historically pointed at, will be her next victim if she 'thought' a new story would save her; and/or a claim of a temporary 'fugue state' which she just remembered occurred during those 31 days.

here come the doctors! *its the only thing missing so far*...maybe thats why we havent seen a 'visitor's log'. the process of 'padding' her brain and giving her 31 days a clinical name.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


I be LKB is telling Baez off right now for making that slip....He should have said "why would my client take a plea deal when she is innocent"...LKB should never let Baez in from of the media without her being next to him to poke him .....hammer....

Suddenly a plea deal would be up to Casey? Is he for real, after all this time....I agree with you, Casey will carry tis to the hilt as she did with all her lies.....

[JadedPoet]

I believe the clinical name is "fugue state" due to some traumatic event.

I do think the State would offer a plea of LWOP for a guilty to all charges.

Gonna be real interesting to see what's going to happen. I want this trial, but having casey anthony plead guilty would be amazing, if only to see the reaction of her cheerleaders, cynthia, lee and george.

My bold. While I agree that it would be priceless to see their faces should Casey finally admit what she has done, I sincerely doubt that they will accept it for truth. After all, I'm sure they will say she's only admitting it to save her life, and she no doubt felt coerced into a "false" confession under a looming death penalty. I mean come on!™ What else could she be expected to do under such duress? :mad:

[msgatorslayer]

IMO, the defense can say this, or that, on TV, all they want, but when they sit down and look at the discovery, none of this looks good for Casey. Even if Baez cheated his way through law school, he must see it.

They can tell reporters that they'll defend Casey and she'll be proven innocent. That they have explainations for everything. But actually doing it is a whole other story. It's going to be an uphill battle.

Someone on that team needs to be honest with Casey. Hopefully, Lyon's is doing just that. As she has the important job of Casey's life, in her hands.

[Pam1569]

I agree....I wonder if Casey will eventually try for a plea deal...she may be running this to the hilt like she did with everything else....but a plea deal will only get her LWOP.....

Good morning Barbara, I don't think Casey will ever take a plea. IIRC Casey hand wrote on one of Baez's motions not to long ago that Ashton was just angry with her because she wouldn't except the plea deal or something like that. So I guessing that defense is going all the way to trial with the innocent plea. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Beats me!

Cindy said several times Casey was receiving threats and that is why Casey was not talking.

I want to know how Casey received those threats because there is nothing in her phone records or on her computer per the doc dumps we have seen.

jmo


Even if she sticks to that absurd story, it will never wash...How can any mother fear for her own life more then for her childs....How would a real mother let someone take her child with a threat over her and not call the police? What would she be waiting for? And when Cindy claimed that Casey was protecting her family, meaning (Cindy and George) as well, then why wasn't she at home protecting her parents instead of at the Fusion partying?...There is no way out of this lie and murder for Casey and they all know it......Casey's fate is obvious.....

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning Barbara, I don't think Casey will ever take a plea. IIRC Casey hand wrote on one of Baez's motions not to long ago that Ashton was just angry with her because she wouldn't except the plea deal or something like that. So I guessing that defense is going all the way to trial with the innocent plea. jmo

I agree, I was only speculating in te event Casey was to gain a fraction of a brain....She is determined to carry this to the hilt as she did all her other lies.....


But, you know, I just thought of something...after she was caught out there with the Amy thing, she did tell Cindy at one of the jail visits "to tell Amy i'm sorry"...so she did eventually own up to stealing from Amy....But I hope she realizes that at the end of the trial and she is found guilty it will be too late then for a plea deal...:biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

IMO, the defense can say this, or that, on TV, all they want, but when they sit down and look at the discovery, none of this looks good for Casey. Even if Baez cheated his way through law school, he must see it.

They can tell reporters that they'll defend Casey and she'll be proven innocent. That they have explainations for everything. But actually doing it is a whole other story. It's going to be an uphill battle.

Someone on that team needs to be honest with Casey. Hopefully, Lyon's is doing just that. As she has the important job of Casey's life, in her hands.


I agree with what you say...and love the part of Baez cheating his way thru law school..:laugh:...I also agree that Lyons has probably already informed Casey and her family that there is going to be a hard fight for Casey's life....

[jammies]

Even if she sticks to that absurd story, it will never wash...How can any mother fear for her own life more then for her childs....How would a real mother let someone take her child with a threat over her and not call the police? What would she be waiting for? And when Cindy claimed that Casey was protecting her family, meaning (Cindy and George) as well, then why wasn't she at home protecting her parents instead of at the Fusion partying?...There is no way out of this lie and murder for Casey and they all know it......Casey's fate is obvious.....


If she were so concerned for her family why didn't she call them IMMEDIATELY and have them change the locks? There was a kidnapper on the loose that had keys to their house!
:rolleyes:

[LadyHam]

I be LKB is telling Baez off right now for making that slip....He should have said "why would my client take a plea deal when she is innocent"...LKB should never let Baez in from of the media without her being next to him to poke him .....hammer....

Suddenly a plea deal would be up to Casey? Is he for real, after all this time....I agree with you, Casey will carry tis to the hilt as she did with all her lies.....

Bolding by me....

I think that AL right now is probably chewing out LKB and JB for their glaring errors in their latest media blitz. LKB made the error of stating that Casey didn't report Caylee missing during those 31 days because it was just a stupid thing that people sometimes do while at the exact same time on a different network, JB was stating that there was a compelling reason that Casey did not report Caylee missing. I don't find stupidity to be a compelling reason to not report that your 2 year old daughter is missing. JB is probably willing to take a smack down from AL due to his lack of experience, but I don't think that LKB would be. I can foresee a major clash of egos between AL and LKB as this case progresses. Niether LKB nor JB did the defense team any favors during their latest media blitz. In fact, they both hurt their client's case, each in their own way. I wonder if AL will now put her foot down and say no more media interviews or she will walk away from this case?

[Barbara fl.]

Hi everyone I was just on the Caylee Daily and they are saying that Baez said they may be open to a plea deal. Did anyone hear that?

No, that is not exactly what was said...when Baez was on the GR show, Geraldo asked him about a plea deal and his response was "that would have to be up to Casey to decide"...I actually think that he spoke without thinking of what he was saying (just like he always does)...but the media is runing wild with it.....and I'm sure that LKB and the rest will try and keep Baez quiet from now on....

What he should have said was "why would my client take a plea deal when she is innocent"...But Baez doesn't know what he is doing, he is a total air head....I'm sure LKB is getting in his case over that...

[Pam1569]

I agree, I was only speculating in the event Casey was to gain a fraction of a brain....She is determined to carry this to the hilt as she did all her other lies.....


But, you know, I just thought of something...after she was caught out there with the Amy thing, she did tell Cindy at one of the jail visits "to tell Amy i'm sorry"...so she did eventually own up to stealing from Amy....But I hope she realizes that at the end of the trial and she is found guilty it will be too late then for a plea deal...:biggrin:

Hi Barbara, to your line I bolded :laugh:

I believe that it was Cindy that apologized to Amy about this mess but not directly for the stealing. I believe that Cindy stated this in her LE interview. Casey on the other hand has never admitted anything, but then again her defense team has already paid the debt back in her behalf. lol

IMO it is to late for her to plea out on either criminal cases. The time has past and she can kiss it good bye.

[Spots]

IMO, the defense can say this, or that, on TV, all they want, but when they sit down and look at the discovery, none of this looks good for Casey. Even if Baez cheated his way through law school, he must see it.

They can tell reporters that they'll defend Casey and she'll be proven innocent. That they have explainations for everything. But actually doing it is a whole other story. It's going to be an uphill battle.

Someone on that team needs to be honest with Casey. Hopefully, Lyon's is doing just that. As she has the important job of Casey's life, in her hands.

I expect (and certainly hope) that AL has done just that - laid it out on the table in black and white for both Casey and her parents that this is a *serious* pit of moo-poo she's dealing with.

But in Casey's mind, will this lecture un-do the year+ that Jose has filled her full of "Don't worry, honey, I'll get you out of this"?

I think we're all inclined to believe the best possible scenario and cling to hope that things will turn out for the best. I hope AL's lecture really got through to Jose and Casey, but I'm afraid it hasn't. At least not yet.

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding by me....

I think that AL right now is probably chewing out LKB and JB for their glaring errors in their latest media blitz. LKB made the error of stating that Casey didn't report Caylee missing during those 31 days because it was just a stupid thing that people sometimes do while at the exact same time on a different network, JB was stating that there was a compelling reason that Casey did not report Caylee missing. I don't find stupidity to be a compelling reason to not report that your 2 year old daughter is missing. JB is probably willing to take a smack down from AL due to his lack of experience, but I don't think that LKB would be. I can foresee a major clash of egos between AL and LKB as this case progresses. Niether LKB nor JB did the defense team any favors during their latest media blitz. In fact, they both hurt their client's case, each in their own way. I wonder if AL will now put her foot down and say no more media interviews or she will walk away from this case?

Good catch, I didn't pick up on that.....I thought this was a team of experts?:lol:

I can't wait for this trial to start...:laugh:

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Pam1569
Good morning Barbara, I don't think Casey will ever take a plea. IIRC Casey hand wrote on one of Baez's motions not to long ago that Ashton was just angry with her because she wouldn't except the plea deal or something like that. So I guessing that defense is going all the way to trial with the innocent plea. jmo

Ah yes, the handwritten statement from Casey that she added on her affidavit that was submitted to the court in March 2009 by Baez (attached to a motion). "for a crime that I DID NOT COMMIT"

However, Lyon is now on the defense team. Lyon has a purpose, and that is to keep record 100%... which means that she must keep Casey from receiving the death penalty. Unlike Baez, Lyon is probably not going to sugar-coat things with Casey. However, whether she will be able to gain Casey's trust or cooperation is another thing.

Perhaps Casey's reactions in upcoming court hearings will give us a clue as to whether Lyon has been able to get the point across to Casey, that her life is in jeopardy. That she can't run away. That Cindy is not going to get her out of this. That it is quite likely that she WILL be convicted of murder. That those same jurors may determine her fate.

IMO, Casey does have the capability to be emotional, in matters that directly impact Casey. She's nearly spent the entire last 12 months in the isolated environment of "protective custody." Which, I'm told is very hard mentally/physically on inmates.

[JadedPoet]

Bolding by me....

I think that AL right now is probably chewing out LKB and JB for their glaring errors in their latest media blitz. LKB made the error of stating that Casey didn't report Caylee missing during those 31 days because it was just a stupid thing that people sometimes do while at the exact same time on a different network, JB was stating that there was a compelling reason that Casey did not report Caylee missing. I don't find stupidity to be a compelling reason to not report that your 2 year old daughter is missing. JB is probably willing to take a smack down from AL due to his lack of experience, but I don't think that LKB would be. I can foresee a major clash of egos between AL and LKB as this case progresses. Niether LKB nor JB did the defense team any favors during their latest media blitz. In fact, they both hurt their client's case, each in their own way. I wonder if AL will now put her foot down and say no more media interviews or she will walk away from this case?

My bold. I think that is one of the biggest problems this defense team has...other than the fact that their client is guilty. All of the attorneys want to be in the lead, and it also seems to be a case where the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. None of them appear to know how to work as a team, and I think Casey's defense is suffering because of it. Of course, I think she's going down regardless, but it certainly isn't helping. :smile:

[Bala]

My bold. While I agree that it would be priceless to see their faces should Casey finally admit what she has done, I sincerely doubt that they will accept it for truth. After all, I'm sure they will say she's only admitting it to save her life, and she no doubt felt coerced into a "false" confession under a looming death penalty. I mean come on!™ What else could she be expected to do under such duress? :mad:
I don't think that would wash even for Cindy and George if they had to sit through Casey allocating to Caylee's death. This would mean she would have to stand up in court and not only admit to what she did but the how and whys of how she did it. Cindy maybe could hold it together in public but I can't see George doing so. Imagine sitting in court and hearing your daughter describe to the world how she murdered your granddaughter and why.

[Spots]

Bolding by me....

I think that AL right now is probably chewing out LKB and JB for their glaring errors in their latest media blitz. LKB made the error of stating that Casey didn't report Caylee missing during those 31 days because it was just a stupid thing that people sometimes do while at the exact same time on a different network, JB was stating that there was a compelling reason that Casey did not report Caylee missing. I don't find stupidity to be a compelling reason to not report that your 2 year old daughter is missing. JB is probably willing to take a smack down from AL due to his lack of experience, but I don't think that LKB would be. I can foresee a major clash of egos between AL and LKB as this case progresses. Niether LKB nor JB did the defense team any favors during their latest media blitz. In fact, they both hurt their client's case, each in their own way. I wonder if AL will now put her foot down and say no more media interviews or she will walk away from this case?

AL is busy teaching. No way can she keep her finger on every piece of this case, even with her students' assistance. I'd be hard pressed to hire her (or anyone else in the same position) for my case unless she could devote more time than it appears she is doing here. If my life is on the line, I'd want my lawyer to be sleeping and breathing *my* case 24/7/365.

And get someone who knows the local laws, fer cryin' out loud!

As for the clash of egos, there is certainly potential for that. But I'll bet LKB will stick to the forensics area and AL will stick to the DP area and they'll get along fine. Of course, that leaves nobody watching over Jose, who is providing the real shaky foundation in this case.

[Lavinya]

"The Caylee Daily" says this is the site Cindy was wanting to have taken down on the net. I've never seen it before...

http://www.zazzle.com/caylee+gifts

ETA: It is a poster that is referencing this site, I don't know if The Caylee Daily themselves did...

[Pruddennce]

Even if she sticks to that absurd story, it will never wash...How can any mother fear for her own life more then for her childs....How would a real mother let someone take her child with a threat over her and not call the police? What would she be waiting for? And when Cindy claimed that Casey was protecting her family, meaning (Cindy and George) as well, then why wasn't she at home protecting her parents instead of at the Fusion partying?...There is no way out of this lie and murder for Casey and they all know it......Casey's fate is obvious.....

given the fact she named the perp ON DAY ONE.....how is that protecting the family?

then we have hammering Cindy on the lawn telling the press the family has NOT received any threats.

they cant have it both ways.



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Scampi]

Good morning Barbara, I don't think Casey will ever take a plea. IIRC Casey hand wrote on one of Baez's motions not to long ago that Ashton was just angry with her because she wouldn't except the plea deal or something like that. So I guessing that defense is going all the way to trial with the innocent plea. jmo

That's right Pam and if you notice that kind of nonsense even found its way into this latest dismissal motion filed by the defense in that they claim the DP is being sought to get an unfair advantage and not because the Prosecution has the needed evidence. They're all delusional, imo.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Barbara fl.
I agree, I was only speculating in the event Casey was to gain a fraction of a brain....She is determined to carry this to the hilt as she did all her other lies.....

But, you know, I just thought of something...after she was caught out there with the Amy thing, she did tell Cindy at one of the jail visits "to tell Amy i'm sorry"...so she did eventually own up to stealing from Amy....But I hope she realizes that at the end of the trial and she is found guilty it will be too late then for a plea deal...

BBM
At times, I think that Casey's reactions seem to be quite immature considering that she was/is 22/23 years old. And at times, it appears that Cindy also will interact with her as one might treat a child.

My memory has faded, but wasn't there a witness statement that also indicated that Casey acted "immature" for her age? Does anyone remember this?

[JadedPoet]

No, that is not exactly what was said...when Baez was on the GR show, Geraldo asked him about a plea deal and his response was "that would have to be up to Casey to decide"...I actually think that he spoke without thinking of what he was saying (just like he always does)...but the media is runing wild with it.....and I'm sure that LKB and the rest will try and keep Baez quiet from now on....

What he should have said was "why would my client take a plea deal when she is innocent"...But Baez doesn't know what he is doing, he is a total air head....I'm sure LKB is getting in his case over that...

That was exactly what I was thinking. My first impression was that he blurted it out without giving it any thought and it was too late to take it back. I should go watch it again to see if there is any realization of what he had just said flash across his face. :laugh:

[Bala]

My bold. I think that is one of the biggest problems this defense team has...other than the fact that their client is guilty. All of the attorneys want to be in the lead, and it also seems to be a case where the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. None of them appear to know how to work as a team, and I think Casey's defense is suffering because of it. Of course, I think she's going down regardless, but it certainly isn't helping. :smile:

But shouldn't the State of Florida be worried about what happens if a guilty verdict is reached in this case with such inadequate representation as we're seeing in this case. They can't even get their motions right.

[Pam1569]

Ah yes, the handwritten statement from Casey that she added on her affidavit that was submitted to the court in March 2009 by Baez (attached to a motion). "for a crime that I DID NOT COMMIT"

However, Lyon is now on the defense team. Lyon has a purpose, and that is to keep record 100%... which means that she must keep Casey from receiving the death penalty. Unlike Baez, Lyon is probably not going to sugar-coat things with Casey. However, whether she will be able to gain Casey's trust or cooperation is another thing.

Perhaps Casey's reactions in upcoming court hearings will give us a clue as to whether Lyon has been able to get the point across to Casey, that her life is in jeopardy. That she can't run away. That Cindy is not going to get her out of this. That it is quite likely that she WILL be convicted of murder. That those same jurors may determine her fate.

IMO, Casey does have the capability to be emotional, in matters that directly impact Casey. She's nearly spent the entire last 12 months in the isolated environment of "protective custody." Which, I'm told is very hard mentally/physically on inmates.

Good morning Sun,
ITA that Casey can only be emotional for herself and that Lyon best be making it perfectly clear to her that she has to become emotional for the crime during this trial that she is accused of doing and if she doesn't then none of the jury members are going to buy that she is innocent. I understand that isolation is very much a mentally/physically draining on the prisoner, but according to the correctional officer she is a model prisoner. So I guess Casey is just being a camelion (sp) again and is mataining just fine, because her dream of getting out is still there. jmo

[martha]

good morning all, no news today as of yet so I was just checking in to see. I don;t really think casey will listen to anyone. she thinks she will get away with this just like she has always gotten away with everything she has done. mom and dad will take care of it for her.jmho:wub:

[Pruddennce]

AL is busy teaching. No way can she keep her finger on every piece of this case, even with her students' assistance. I'd be hard pressed to hire her (or anyone else in the same position) for my case unless she could devote more time than it appears she is doing here. If my life is on the line, I'd want my lawyer to be sleeping and breathing *my* case 24/7/365.

And get someone who knows the local laws, fer cryin' out loud!

As for the clash of egos, there is certainly potential for that. But I'll bet LKB will stick to the forensics area and AL will stick to the DP area and they'll get along fine. Of course, that leaves nobody watching over Jose, who is providing the real shaky foundation in this case.

it wouldnt surprise me if AL bailed before the end of the year. IMO she is banking on having the penalty downgraded and off she will walk into the sunset. *job done*. if she cant make that happen, I just dont see her sticking around.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[msgatorslayer]

given the fact she named the perp ON DAY ONE.....how is that protecting the family?

then we have hammering Cindy on the lawn telling the press the family has NOT received any threats.

they cant have it both ways.



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Death threats!! What death threats? hammer

How was Casey getting these death threats anyway? These 'private numbers' she spoke of are not on her phone. Nobody knew where she was living from day to day in order to send her a threat in the mail.

Casey did mention a 'script' to her family, supposedly, but that just told her what to do for 31 days, lmao. No mention of any threats coming from that.

Did someone hack into the electronic billboards along the interstate to flash these threats to Casey? Was there fortune cookie messages in her ice-pops? No proof of any Zanny correspondence on Casey's puter. Where did these threats come from?:rolleyes:

[Lavinya]

good morning all, no news today as of yet so I was just checking in to see. I don;t really think casey will listen to anyone. she thinks she will get away with this just like she has always gotten away with everything she has done. mom and dad will take care of it for her.jmho:wub:

Good morning Martha. I don't think the Anthony's have this one for her. As a matter of fact, it's ironic but I think they have helped seal her fate with their actions. I wonder how accurate Mark Williams is in theorizing that George was going to shoot Casey? (Did I see someone post that MW got that idea from Leonard Padilla?)

[JadedPoet]

it wouldnt surprise me if AL bailed before the end of the year. IMO she is banking on having the penalty downgraded and off she will walk into the sunset. *job done*. if she cant make that happen, I just dont see her sticking around.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I guess I never really thought about it. Can an attorney do that? Just fulfill their objective (get the DP removed) and hit the road?

[Spots]

it wouldnt surprise me if AL bailed before the end of the year. IMO she is banking on having the penalty downgraded and off she will walk into the sunset. *job done*. if she cant make that happen, I just dont see her sticking around.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

As usual, you're correct, Pru. Why blemish a spotless record over the likes of Casey Anthony? :rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

I guess I never really thought about it. Can an attorney do that? Just fulfill their objective (get the DP removed) and hit the road?

I don't know if Lyon's can leave after getting the DP off the table, if she can get that done. I do know that Baez isn't a death qualified attorney and cannot try this case alone if the DP stands. Lyon's would have to be replaced if she didn't wish to stick through trial.

[LadyHam]

I guess I never really thought about it. Can an attorney do that? Just fulfill their objective (get the DP removed) and hit the road?

That's what Lenomon (sp?) did after he got the DP off the table right before Caylee's body was found. I think he also stated on the NG show that his approach to the case was fundamentally different than the way that JB was going to approach it. If Lenomon left, I don't see why AL can't. :shrug:

[Bala]

AL is busy teaching. No way can she keep her finger on every piece of this case, even with her students' assistance. I'd be hard pressed to hire her (or anyone else in the same position) for my case unless she could devote more time than it appears she is doing here. If my life is on the line, I'd want my lawyer to be sleeping and breathing *my* case 24/7/365.

And get someone who knows the local laws, fer cryin' out loud!

As for the clash of egos, there is certainly potential for that. But I'll bet LKB will stick to the forensics area and AL will stick to the DP area and they'll get along fine. Of course, that leaves nobody watching over Jose, who is providing the real shaky foundation in this case.
I think that was Jose's plan all along to get someone who couldn't keep a eye on him and allow him to stay in control. I don't think he cares in the least that it's not what's best for Casey or the Case. My biggest fear would be if the State does get a DP verdict that the appeals court will take all of 2 seconds to throw it out do to inadequate council. It is so obvious that Jose is in over his head and Lyons is to busy to notice. The Judge needs to give this defense team a wake up call. Maybe they should dust Jose's bar exam for finger prints and make sure he's the one that wrote it.

[LadyHam]

As usual, you're correct, Pru. Why blemish a spotless record over the likes of Casey Anthony? :rolleyes:

I am wondering if AL is starting to regret agreeing to take on this case?

[Bala]

That's what Lenomon (sp?) did after he got the DP off the table right before Caylee's body was found. I think he also stated on the NG show that his approach to the case was fundamentally different than the way that JB was going to approach it. If Lenomon left, I don't see why AL can't. :shrug:

Isn't it at the discretion of the Judge at this point? Wouldn't Lyon have to ask the judge for permission to quit and give just cause?

[LadyHam]

Isn't it at the discretion of the Judge at this point? Wouldn't Lyon have to ask the judge for permission to quit and give just cause?

I really don't know. But, If AL wanted off of this case, she would find a way to do it.

[msgatorslayer]

I am wondering if AL is starting to regret agreeing to take on this case?

I pity the fool that has to sit down with Cindy and find mitigating factors as to why Casey's life should be spared.

[Scampi]

I don't think Lyon can just walk away, she would need the court's permission. If she were to get off the case, it would cause a delay and I doubt very much if the court wants that. A truly innocent defendant would not want that either.

[msgatorslayer]

Isn't it at the discretion of the Judge at this point? Wouldn't Lyon have to ask the judge for permission to quit and give just cause?

I believe you're correct.

And there is a huge difference in case status at this point. Casey has just been indicted when the other attorney got the DP off and then left the case. Now, there have been months of Discovery for the attorney/s to work with.

The Judge would have to weigh in on the additional time it would take for a new attorney to get up to speed with the case. There would be more delays. IMO

[martha]

Good morning Martha. I don't think the Anthony's have this one for her. As a matter of fact, it's ironic but I think they have helped seal her fate with their actions. I wonder how accurate Mark Williams is in theorizing that George was going to shoot Casey? (Did I see someone post that MW got that idea from Leonard Padilla?) well the night geroge took that walk I think he was mad enough at casey to have shot her. I think he was really mad at her and would have done something to her if not for cindy. He has to do what cindy tells him to do or he want have a place to stay. Now he wants to be in on all the money they or making. I read where Lee;s lawyer said Lee was offered a lot of money to go on some showes but he would not do it. I bet that made cindy mad.jmho:wub:

[Scampi]

I pity the fool that has to sit down with Cindy and find mitigating factors as to why Casey's life should be spared.

LOL, sure wouldn't want to deal with cynthia after her mother of the year daughter is found guilty.

BTW, do you recall the friend of scott peterson who was called in the mitigating phase of the penalty trial and told the court that scott could mix a very good martini? After that one, I truly have heard it all, tho I'm sure cynthia will beat that.

[Pam1569]

I don't think Lyon can just walk away, she would need the court's permission. If she were to get off the case, it would cause a delay and I doubt very much if the court wants that. A truly innocent defendant would not want that either.

GM Scampi, Exactly a truly innocent person would want a speedy trial and no delays what so ever in their case. This case so far has done just the total opposite as to respect of a person that is innocent. jmo

[trich]

Good catch, I didn't pick up on that.....I thought this was a team of experts?:lol:
I can't wait for this trial to start...:laugh:

Bolding mine.
"Team of Experts" LOL I think crooks and felons are smarter.....at least they try to get their "stories" straight and are not contridicting one another . LOL

[Pruddennce]

Isn't it at the discretion of the Judge at this point? Wouldn't Lyon have to ask the judge for permission to quit and give just cause?

IMO, I dont believe a judge can force an attorney to remain on a case. she is supposedly HIRED and/or pro bono. Protocol will be applied, she can state her reasons for the record, however, a judge saying NO? that would not be in the best interest of the defendant to have an attorney being forced to 'work on saving her life' if she doesnt want to be there to do that job or 'cant be'....

I simply feel that AL is trying to obtain a downgrade of charges, get the DP thrown out and call it a day. if that doesnt work, just an opinion, she is not going to be able to juggle her other interests with this case. and she might, at some point before trial, feel the team is 'inferior', she would be working against the current, always on guard as to what Baez or LKB will state in open court when its 'their turn' to participate.....

it will be a full time job babysitting the 'team'...IMO.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[LadyHam]

I believe you're correct.

And there is a huge difference in case status at this point. Casey has just been indicted when the other attorney got the DP off and then left the case. Now, there have been months of Discovery for the attorney/s to work with.

The Judge would have to weigh in on the additional time it would take for a new attorney to get up to speed with the case. There would be more delays. IMO

I guess that AL is sort of stuck w/this case whether she likes it or not then, huh? I didn't know it would be so difficult for a lawyer to get off a case, but it does make sense and now I see why that is the case. I really do learn a lot of valuable information here.

How about if the DP was taken off the table? Would AL be able to leave then, or would it still be a difficult process w/having to get special permission from the judge?

[Lavinya]

well the night geroge took that walk I think he was mad enough at casey to have shot her. I think he was really mad at her and would have done something to her if not for cindy. He has to do what cindy tells him to do or he want have a place to stay. Now he wants to be in on all the money they or making. I read where Lee;s lawyer said Lee was offered a lot of money to go on some showes but he would not do it. I bet that made cindy mad.jmho:wub:

I wish we could find out what is prompting the theory that George was going to shoot Casey and then himself. If this can be proved, I would think this shows much more accurately what George knew at the time. I would think *if* he really intended to do that, he was convinced of her guilt and wanted to take out the bad seed or save her from what is surely coming her way, and sacrifice himself in the scheme.

[msgatorslayer]

LOL, sure wouldn't want to deal with cynthia after her mother of the year daughter is found guilty.

BTW, do you recall the friend of scott peterson who was called in the mitigating phase of the penalty trial and told the court that scott could mix a very good martini? After that one, I truly have heard it all, tho I'm sure cynthia will beat that.

I didn't follow the SP trial much so I don't recall that, Reggie.

The big problem I see with Cindy is that she will treat the jurors just like she's treated LE, the media, and the FLB's. She will not except that her princess has been found guilty, therefore, will not be able to help in mitigating factors. Her answers to Lyon's will be along the lines of "The jury is wrong and Casey is innocent. That's why they should spare her life".

Anyone recall Aileen Wornous telling the jury, in open court, that she hopes they get raped? I see Cindy saying something equally stupid.

[LadyHam]

well the night geroge took that walk I think he was mad enough at casey to have shot her. I think he was really mad at her and would have done something to her if not for cindy. He has to do what cindy tells him to do or he want have a place to stay. Now he wants to be in on all the money they or making. I read where Lee;s lawyer said Lee was offered a lot of money to go on some showes but he would not do it. I bet that made cindy mad.jmho:wub:

I think that George was very mad at Casey at the beginning of this case, and his actions show that he thought she had some involvement w/what happened to Caylee. We have Tracy's statements to LE about George yelling at Casey to tell him where his granddaughter is, and we also have LP's and Mark Williams media statements about George having a gun and what he intended to do with it. If true, can you imagine if George would have followed through on his plan w/gun and what the fall out would have been?:scared: Not only would Caylee have been gone, but George and Casey might have been gone as well.

[Pam1569]

IMO, I dont believe a judge can force an attorney to remain on a case. she is supposedly HIRED and/or pro bono. Protocol will be applied, she can state her reasons for the record, however, a judge saying NO? that would not be in the best interest of the defendant to have an attorney being forced to 'work on saving her life' if she doesnt want to be there to do that job or 'cant be'....

I simply feel that AL is trying to obtain a downgrade of charges, get the DP thrown out and call it a day. if that doesnt work, just an opinion, she is not going to be able to juggle her other interests with this case. and she might, at some point before trial, feel the team is 'inferior', she would be working against the current, always on guard as to what Baez or LKB will state in open court when its 'their turn' to participate.....

it will be a full time job babysitting the 'team'...IMO.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

GM Pru, Totally agree that Lyons has her job cut out for her in the respects to her case, her team and her client. Right now her clients parents should be on the back burner until the sentencing phase imo.

[JadedPoet]

Wouldn't it be something if the reason George and Cindy want Casey to walk is so that they can have her home and get their own kind of justice on her? I find it hard to believe that they don't know she's guilty. I can understand them not wanting her to be, but there would surely come a point where they'd have to accept the truth of the matter.

[msgatorslayer]

Wouldn't it be something if the reason George and Cindy want Casey to walk is so that they can have her home and get their own kind of justice on her? I find it hard to believe that they don't know she's guilty. I can understand them not wanting her to be, but there would surely come a point where they'd have to accept the truth of the matter.

I can't see them doing anything to her. They managed to stay in that house with her while she was out on bail. I was waiting, hoping, that at least George would have gotten so upset with her lying that he'd toss her out to the FLB's. I'm skeptical of the story released yesterday about George and the gun, wanting to kill Casey, and then, himself.

[cassidy]

Beats me!

Cindy said several times Casey was receiving threats and that is why Casey was not talking.

I want to know how Casey received those threats because there is nothing in her phone records or on her computer per the doc dumps we have seen.

jmo


LOL what kind of threats could Casey be getting? "OK Casey, if you tell on yourself you're gonna get it"?

JMO

[Pruddennce]

I wish we could find out what is prompting the theory that George was going to shoot Casey and then himself. If this can be proved, I would think this shows much more accurately what George knew at the time. I would think *if* he really intended to do that, he was convinced of her guilt and wanted to take out the bad seed or save her from what is surely coming her way, and sacrifice himself in the scheme.

IMO, I can see GA wanting to point a loaded gun at her to compel her to tell the truth. according to Tracey, he was losing it with her lies.......Tracey heard the heated words, his ranting in the home.

however, IMO he knows that Casey would never cave in even with a gun pointing at her. she knows EVERYTHING about her parents personas, they are all talk, threats, and eventually are worn down by her constant storytelling, until she hits on a story they eventually accept as 'the truth'. GA removed himself from the home, avoided her, and then Baez solved the confict at some point by removing Casey from the home so her parents didnt have to interact with her.

then GA fell down the rabbit hole again. where he has remained.

*ummm...what Cindy said"....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Lavinya]

I can't see them doing anything to her. They managed to stay in that house with her while she was out on bail. I was waiting, hoping, that at least George would have gotten so upset with her lying that he'd toss her out to the FLB's. I'm skeptical of the story released yesterday about George and the gun, wanting to kill Casey, and then, himself.

I would like to hear more on that myself, before I buy into it....

[Lavinya]

IMO, I can see GA wanting to point a loaded gun at her to compel her to tell the truth. according to Tracey, he was losing it with her lies.......Tracey heard the heated words, his ranting in the home.

however, IMO he knows that Casey would never cave in even with a gun pointing at her. she knows EVERYTHING about her parents personas, they are all talk, threats, and eventually are worn down by her constant storytelling, until she hits on a story they eventually accept as 'the truth'. GA removed himself from the home, avoided her, and then Baez solved the confict at some point by removing Casey from the home so her parents didnt have to interact with her.

then GA fell down the rabbit hole again. where he has remained.

*ummm...what Cindy said"....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I think so too, Pru. I was reminded yesterday, with a posters link, about George saying Casey was mounting a defense at Caylee's expense, and I had forgotten that George seemed so frushtrated with Casey in the beginning. I also agree that a gun wouldn't have made her flinch. She's not flinching now and she's playing a dangerous game of "chicken".

[Pam1569]

I can't see them doing anything to her. They managed to stay in that house with her while she was out on bail. I was waiting, hoping, that at least George would have gotten so upset with her lying that he'd toss her out to the FLB's. I'm skeptical of the story released yesterday about George and the gun, wanting to kill Casey, and then, himself.

Hi msgator, I forgot who released that George wanted to do this? If this was done in order to taint the potential jury pool to ignore George's testimony and the damaging things that he might have said to the GJ I feel that the defense is behind the this some how. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I wish we could find out what is prompting the theory that George was going to shoot Casey and then himself. If this can be proved, I would think this shows much more accurately what George knew at the time. I would think *if* he really intended to do that, he was convinced of her guilt and wanted to take out the bad seed or save her from what is surely coming her way, and sacrifice himself in the scheme.


Oh, I'm pretty sure that George and Cindy knew exactly what they were up against...they knew that Casey had done something to Caylee and it didn't take very long for them to put it together.....Odor in the trunk had to be the first red flag...then Casey not having Caylee with her had to have strengthened their horror...and as the lies became more intense by the minute, it wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that Caylee was no longer amongst us....

So you can be very right, that George forseen the future and may have thought of ending it for Casey and himself.....

[djmsmom]

Oh, I'm pretty sure that George and Cindy knew exactly what they were up against...they knew that Casey had done something to Caylee and it didn't take very long for them to put it together.....Odor in the trunk had to be the first red flag...then Casey not having Caylee with her had to have strengthened their horror...and as the lies became more intense by the minute, it wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that Caylee was no longer amongst us....

So you can be very right, that George forseen the future and may have thought of ending it for Casey and himself.....

Besides the odor in the car, there was an imprint of Caylees poor body. They cleaned the car which I imagine included scrubbing the rug, and the print was still visable. I would think when the trunk was first opened by G and C then it was very obvious.

[Barbara fl.]

Wouldn't it be something if the reason George and Cindy want Casey to walk is so that they can have her home and get their own kind of justice on her? I find it hard to believe that they don't know she's guilty. I can understand them not wanting her to be, but there would surely come a point where they'd have to accept the truth of the matter.


I believe that they have accepted the truth within themselves...but I believe that they truly want their daughter to be free, but not to place harm to her...

What I do not understand is why they want her free....life would never be the same if she was to come home again....It would be brought up over and over again by both Cindy and George....Casey knows at this point that no matter what comes of this trial, she would never be able to go home (not that she would ever get released) She might as well just face the music and resign herself to the fact that she is staying right where she is...

[cassidy]

I believe that they have accepted the truth within themselves...but I believe that they truly want their daughter to be free, but not to place harm to her...
What I do not understand is why they want her free....life would never be the same if she was to come home again....It would be brought up over and over again by both Cindy and George....Casey knows at this point that no matter what comes of this trial, she would never be able to go home (not that she would ever get released) She might as well just face the music and resign herself to the fact that she is staying right where she is...


I agree with you but for the life of me I can't figure out why?

[Lavinya]

Oh, I'm pretty sure that George and Cindy knew exactly what they were up against...they knew that Casey had done something to Caylee and it didn't take very long for them to put it together.....Odor in the trunk had to be the first red flag...then Casey not having Caylee with her had to have strengthened their horror...and as the lies became more intense by the minute, it wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that Caylee was no longer amongst us....

So you can be very right, that George forseen the future and may have thought of ending it for Casey and himself.....

I can see him (or someone else in that position) thinking that was the way to put them out of the misery that they were in and the misery to come. A cowardly means to an end, but an end.

[LadyHam]

I believe that they have accepted the truth within themselves...but I believe that they truly want their daughter to be free, but not to place harm to her...

What I do not understand is why they want her free....life would never be the same if she was to come home again....It would be brought up over and over again by both Cindy and George....Casey knows at this point that no matter what comes of this trial, she would never be able to go home (not that she would ever get released) She might as well just face the music and resign herself to the fact that she is staying right where she is...

I agree. There is no way that Casey could ever go home to live again. What happened to Caylee would always be the 8,000 pound gorilla in the room. Not that she ever has a chance of getting out of jail/prison, but if she did, she would have to find a new place to live.

This story is just so tragic. A little 2 year old girl senselessly lost her life and a family was destroyed in the process. Casey was only 22 years old when this happened and she had her whole life to look forward to. I have so much trouble understanding how and why she made the choices that she did.:confused:

[Bala]

Hi msgator, I forgot who released that George wanted to do this? If this was done in order to taint the potential jury pool to ignore George's testimony and the damaging things that he might have said to the GJ I feel that the defense is behind the this some how. jmo
I thought it was George's cop friend from Ohio but I could be wrong. I remember LP saying something about George and the gun as well.

[LadyHam]

ITA and also remember how many other lives have been destroyed or affected by this tragedy...just about everyone connected with case has had nothing but trouble...they have all had to lawyer up...lost revenue to attorney's, media invading their privacy...possible slander and liable...the list goes on and on...


JMO

I agree. The fallout from this case has reached epic proportions.

[DebinNv]

Hi,
Where did everyone find this story with George and the gun? I missed that one. TIA

[Bala]

I believe that they have accepted the truth within themselves...but I believe that they truly want their daughter to be free, but not to place harm to her...

What I do not understand is why they want her free....life would never be the same if she was to come home again....It would be brought up over and over again by both Cindy and George....Casey knows at this point that no matter what comes of this trial, she would never be able to go home (not that she would ever get released) She might as well just face the music and resign herself to the fact that she is staying right where she is...
Not only that but could you imagine Cindy and George closing their eyes and going to sleep each night knowing Casey was in the next room. How would they ever sleep again. I know I couldn't.

[Sun]

Hi,
Where did everyone find this story with George and the gun? I missed that one. TIA

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Here you go DebinNv. It's from an HLN news fellow.

[Lavinya]

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Here you go DebinNv. It's from an HLN news fellow.

It's the reporter Mark Williams that was on Nancy Grace's show so regularly in the beginning.

[Lavinya]

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Here you go DebinNv. It's from an HLN news fellow.

Mark Williams also says in this link that Lee is an "event coordinator". I thought he was working for that parking lot company?

[Pam1569]

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Here you go DebinNv. It's from an HLN news fellow.

Thank you for that link Sun I must have missed it. He really has the whole family down pat. :laugh:

[Pruddennce]

I would like to hear more on that myself, before I buy into it....

IMO, at this point, it is irrelevant. It never happened. (the action) the gun was secreted away, then seized. someone could come forward and testify he made a threat, "I have a gun, maybe she will tell the truth"....but I doubt it. and what is the relevance? I guess its something we want to hear from Cindy A, that she FELT she was lying... but the gun 'story' making its way around has nothing to do with Cindy and.....it related to GA:

GA has admitted how he 'felt' many times in his LE/FBI interviews....he KNEW things didnt make sense. then we have Cindy A 'formulating thoughts' to work thru the lies, blaming others, stating to LE she is BREAKING THE CASEY CODE TALK....

LE/FBI Interviews:

GA - not wanting to appear totally dim and lame..falling back on his heart's thought process and 'what LE substantiated'......several admissions, rambling, his daughter was a thief. lots of conflict but offered up damaging information.

CA - we have all witnessed this: CA actually believes she is superior....she lied, over and over again with LE/FBI.

the end result, as of today, is that CA and GA are on the ship of propaganda. they consider Caylee a missing child who was FOUND deceased. at the hands of another. they realized there was MONEY to be made with regard to pics and videos....

GA and an alleged intent as to why he bought the gun: I dont see it as relevant because of their present day mission.

IMO, it wont make it into the trial anyway.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Pam1569]

Mark Williams also says in this link that Lee is an "event coordinator". I thought he was working for that parking lot company?

Hi Lavinya, IIRC It was Cindy that stated Casey would help Lee now and then parking cars and got paid for it. But IARC that Mike Walsh said they have proof that Casey worked for Fusion as a shot girl. So where is the proof of both of these jobs? imo it is a ruse like everything else that has come from the family and the defense. jmo

[Lavinya]

He coordinates parking for events.

:laugh: There you have it, lol. If he coordinates parking for bridal events, is he a bride? "Creative reality"~Dr. Patricia Saunders.

[djmsmom]

He coordinates parking for events.

does this mean that he stands in the parking lot and waves cars to the next space? :rolleyes:

[court~critic1®]

Do we know if Lyons has talked to Miss Anthony one on one, or even face to face???? Does JB do all of her talking for her to Miss Anthony? As Ms. Lyons does seem to be so darn busy .


Just wondering.



eTA:
oops,just remembered, Ms. Lyons has talked to Miss Anthony in the court room. Of course Miss Anthony tends to ignore her.

[Lavinya]

Hi Lavinya, IIRC It was Cindy that stated Casey would help Lee now and then parking cars and got paid for it. But IARC that Mike Walsh said they have proof that Casey worked for Fusion as a shot girl. So where is the proof of both of these jobs? imo it is a ruse like everything else that has come from the family and the defense. jmo

Hey Pam! :seeya: I'll do some research and see what I can find about Lee's employment before I spout off the wrong stuff. I *think* the parking position I'm thinking of is his present job.

[Lavinya]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

"Lee Anthony has been working 18-hour days arranging parking areas for the Super Bowl."

[Pam1569]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

"Lee Anthony has been working 18-hour days arranging parking areas for the Super Bowl."

Thanks Lavinya, I appreciate you looking that up for me. I am not on my pc that has all my links and having CRS doesn't help. LOL

[Lavinya]

Thanks Lavinya, I appreciate you looking that up for me. I am not on my pc that has all my links and having CRS doesn't help. LOL

No CRS doesn't help, lol. It does me good to revisit these issues because I find that I forget as much as I remember. Looking up Lee's employment reminded me of his effort (and success) to waylay the Anthony's taking a polygraph and of his attorney spilling the beans about possible charges against Lee. Crazy stuff.

[DebinNv]

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Here you go DebinNv. It's from an HLN news fellow.

Thank you for providing the link...very nice of you to do.

[Pam1569]

I was going to ask this yesterday but forgot too. Lavinya you just reminded me!

When Brad released those new documents did anyone else notice that page 9586 is missing. It is from the FBI report of Examination (9 pages, but number 6 is missing) Do you think it could mean anything or not? Anyone

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21161111/detail.html

[Spots]

Mark Williams also says in this link that Lee is an "event coordinator". I thought he was working for that parking lot company?

I looked it up way back when this first started. It's a company that not only arranges parking for large groups, it gets them to what ever event they're attending, like the Super Bowl. More than parking, less than event planner. I'd guess "event coordinator" is about right.

[Pam1569]

Probably had something in it that did not help what he was trying to project or was just irrelevant???

Was this released with the State's docs???
Can we get page 6 from there???

Hi Armadillo, I am still going through those docs and listing them in numerical order and they are also on the other pc. I will check when I can get back to them, but I don't think it was. jmo

[Lavinya]

I looked it up way back when this first started. It's a company that not only arranges parking for large groups, it gets them to what ever event they're attending, like the Super Bowl. More than parking, less than event planner. I'd guess "event coordinator" is about right.

I guess. I'm a domestic engineer, then. :wink:

[AlohaRainbow]

Not only that but could you imagine Cindy and George closing their eyes and going to sleep each night knowing Casey was in the next room. How would they ever sleep again. I know I couldn't.
especially after learning (from casey's text messages) that casey had already had cindy & george moving out of the house so that amy could move in with her (and so tonE could visit any time of the day or night without having to "worry" about her parents)

[msgatorslayer]

especially after learning (from casey's text messages) that casey had already had cindy & george moving out of the house so that amy could move in with her (and so tonE could visit any time of the day or night without having to "worry" about her parents)

LOL, I wonder how they have processed that in their minds.

Some kind of misunderstanding, I reckon.

[KittyMom]

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Here you go DebinNv. It's from an HLN news fellow.

This funniest part...Casey Anthony who “bangs like a screen door in a hurricane!!”

:laugh:

This guy really does peg this family.

[denjet]

Good Afternoon! :seeya:

Anyone see this yet:

10/6/2009 A REPLY TO DEFENDANT'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR TRANSCRIPTION OF GRAND JURY TESTIMONY

Anyone know if this is the state's response or the judges?
TIA

[Lavinya]

Good Afternoon! :seeya:

Anyone see this yet:

10/6/2009 A REPLY TO DEFENDANT'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR TRANSCRIPTION OF GRAND JURY TESTIMONY

Anyone know if this is the state's response or the judges?
TIA

Is this the one that says Jose's argument is flawed and fatal? If so, that's the state's response, (Linda Drane Burdick).

[msgatorslayer]

Hi Lavinya, IIRC It was Cindy that stated Casey would help Lee now and then parking cars and got paid for it. But IARC that Mike Walsh said they have proof that Casey worked for Fusion as a shot girl. So where is the proof of both of these jobs? imo it is a ruse like everything else that has come from the family and the defense. jmo

I think it was in Cindy's depo with Morgan where she said Casey has worked a "Super Bowl' with Lee. Not just any old parking job, but the BIG game. After she said that, I wish it was followed up on, as to what year did this occur. Cause we know Casey was in the slammer for Tampa's 2008 bowl.

So, in order for Casey to do a bowl with Lee, she would have had to travel outta state for any past game. Did Cindy and George sit for Caylee? Outta the kindness of Lee's companies heart, did they throw in an all expenses paid trip for Casey to help? Along with a nanny. I doubt it.

[denjet]

Is this the one that says Jose's argument is flawed and fatal? If so, that's the state's response, (Linda Drane Burdick).

Hi Lavinia!!
No, the response hasn't been posted yet ... just recorded with the clerk today ...
I hope WFTV puts it out today! (fingers crossed)

[Sun]

Good Afternoon! :seeya:

Anyone see this yet:

10/6/2009 A REPLY TO DEFENDANT'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR TRANSCRIPTION OF GRAND JURY TESTIMONY

Anyone know if this is the state's response or the judges?
TIA

Thanks so much for finding and posting this. I was just thinking of checking myself. You've saved me some time.

As I recall, the State first ask for George's GJ testimony to be transcribed and made available to them (as Ashton's memory was that George's testimony in his depo was materially different than in his GJ testimony). Next, I think that the defense's response not quite on point, and said they didn't object, and would also like a copy of all GJ testimony (I think they said "all").

So, this latest entry on the Clerk's files must be the State responding back to the Defense's "off-point, overly broad" initial response to the State's original motion. Maybe? :unsure:

[LadyHam]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-asks-if-jose-baez-signals-shift-in-defense.html

Casey Anthony: WFTV asks if Jose Baez signals shift in defense

snipped from the article:

WFTV-Channel 9's Kathi Belich said, as far as she knew, prosecutors aren't offering a deal. Belich noted the "surprising" shift in Baez's words: "Up until now, he's insisted Casey is innocent and she has a very compelling reason not for calling law enforcement for a month after Caylee disappeared."

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer scoffed at Baez's response: "The proper response would be: Are you kidding me? She's innocent. We've pled not guilty. We're going to trial."

Belich said noted that Baez started the Rivera interview by saying the evidence against Anthony is weak and the case should be thrown out.

Sheaffer again blasted the defense's approach: "There's one thing consistent about the defense. And that's their ability to continue to make inconsistent statements, one right after another."

Baez had no response to WFTV's story, Belich said. But WFTV put the Rivera interview at the top of its 5 o'clock news tonight. "Up until now, Casey's defense team and her family have insisted there would be no deal," anchor Bob Opsahl said.

[Lavinya]

Hi Lavinia!!
No, the response hasn't been posted yet ... just recorded with the clerk today ...
I hope WFTV puts it out today! (fingers crossed)

Hey Denjet! :seeya: Ohh, I hope it's something good! Thanks!

[Barbara fl.]

I was going to ask this yesterday but forgot too. Lavinya you just reminded me!

When Brad released those new documents did anyone else notice that page 9586 is missing. It is from the FBI report of Examination (9 pages, but number 6 is missing) Do you think it could mean anything or not? Anyone

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21161111/detail.html


Actually no pages are to be left out...if there is something they don't want read for reason being it doesn't pertain to the case or names with phone number or addresses on it, it is supposed to be redacted...If anything pertaining to the case is left out, the defense can demand it...It would go infront of the judge to see why it was left out...

If it was something AGAINST Casey, that would cause it not being able to be brought up later at trial...If it was something that would be in FAVOR for Casey, the defense can call a mistrial for not receiving this information...

Both sides would have to agree for leaving anything out.....However, this could have just been a case where a number was jumped over but the pages are all still there....I have had that happen to me....(with a personal case) I received many blank pages and some numbers bypassed that had nothing to do with the case....but my lawyer was advised of what was being left out......

[Pam1569]

Actually no pages are to be left out...if there is something they don't want read for reason being it doesn't pertain to the case or names with phone number or addresses on it, it is supposed to be redacted...If anything pertaining to the case is left out, the defense can demand it...It would go infront of the judge to see why it was left out...

If it was something AGAINST Casey, that would cause it not being able to be brought up later at trial...If it was something that would be in FAVOR for Casey, the defense can call a mistrial for not receiving this information...

Both sides would have to agree for leaving anything out.....However, this could have just been a case where a number was jumped over but the pages are all still there....I have had that happen to me....(with a personal case) I received many blank pages and some numbers bypassed that had nothing to do with the case....but my lawyer was advised of what was being left out......

Barbara I agree but these pages were released by Conway and not the State through the clerk's office. So he left the page out not the State. jmo

[denjet]

Thanks so much for finding and posting this. I was just thinking of checking myself. You've saved me some time.

As I recall, the State first ask for George's GJ testimony to be transcribed and made available to them (as Ashton's memory was that George's testimony in his depo was materially different than in his GJ testimony). Next, I think that the defense's response not quite on point, and said they didn't object, and would also like a copy of all GJ testimony (I think they said "all").

So, this latest entry on the Clerk's files must be the State responding back to the Defense's "off-point, overly broad" initial response to the State's original motion. Maybe? :unsure:
Hi Sun! YW (I beat you to it, LOL)
Yes, I think you're right, the defense didn't file a response but said it in court ... once again, what is wrong with that team ... :blink:

[denjet]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-asks-if-jose-baez-signals-shift-in-defense.html

Casey Anthony: WFTV asks if Jose Baez signals shift in defense

snipped from the article:

WFTV-Channel 9's Kathi Belich said, as far as she knew, prosecutors aren't offering a deal. Belich noted the "surprising" shift in Baez's words: "Up until now, he's insisted Casey is innocent and she has a very compelling reason not for calling law enforcement for a month after Caylee disappeared."

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer scoffed at Baez's response: "The proper response would be: Are you kidding me? She's innocent. We've pled not guilty. We're going to trial."

Belich said noted that Baez started the Rivera interview by saying the evidence against Anthony is weak and the case should be thrown out.

Sheaffer again blasted the defense's approach: "There's one thing consistent about the defense. And that's their ability to continue to make inconsistent statements, one right after another."

Baez had no response to WFTV's story, Belich said. But WFTV put the Rivera interview at the top of its 5 o'clock news tonight. "Up until now, Casey's defense team and her family have insisted there would be no deal," anchor Bob Opsahl said.

Hi Lady! I loved it ... kind of put a damper on their media blitz ... leave it to Jose ! :thumbsup:

[denjet]

Hey Denjet! :seeya: Ohh, I hope it's something good! Thanks!

Me too! Seems the state is turning up the heat ... I hope they file a response soon to the defense's COV one and the jail video one ... :biggrin:

[KP1935]

Me too! Seems the state is turning up the heat ... I hope they file a response soon to the defense's COV one and the jail video one ... :biggrin:

I think for the COV response they should do compilation of all the appearances by Bozo and the Ms Piggy-look-a-like on the Today show and Macaluso on the other shows. Have it FedExed to the judge with a note "Are they serious?" :biggrin:

[margaritaville]

Good morning Sun,
ITA that Casey can only be emotional for herself and that Lyon best be making it perfectly clear to her that she has to become emotional for the crime during this trial that she is accused of doing and if she doesn't then none of the jury members are going to buy that she is innocent. I understand that isolation is very much a mentally/physically draining on the prisoner, but according to the correctional officer she is a model prisoner. So I guess Casey is just being a camelion (sp) again and is mataining just fine, because her dream of getting out is still there. jmo


Bolding mine:

Isn't odd how much Casey is like Scott Peterson? In life outside the walls of prison they both surround themselves with members of the opposite sex... there entire being is nothing more but rolls in the hay..Everything else doesn't matter, including the lives of their children.
Kill and move on and live like nothing ever happened.
While in jail/prison nothing upsets of phases them....How is that?? Not even being isolated bothers them......
How can they go from the relationships to protective custody and be basically by themselves and it doesn't bother them in the least bit??
I find that very strange!

MOO

[Sun]

Bolding mine:

Isn't odd how much Casey is like Scott Peterson? In life outside the walls of prison they both surround themselves with members of the opposite sex... there entire being is nothing more but rolls in the hay..Everything else doesn't matter, including the lives of their children.
Kill and move on and live like nothing ever happened.
While in jail/prison nothing upsets of phases them....How is that?? Not even being isolated bothers them......
How can they go from the relationships to protective custody and be basically by themselves and it doesn't bother them in the least bit??
I find that very strange!

MOO

I'm not going to assume that Casey is a model inmate at this point in time. I do recall Unser or Richardson saying that Casey "followed the rules" way back in Dec 2008. Or maybe that was her home monitor back in Sept 2008) Just because Baez "says" that Casey is a model inmate, doesn't make it so (as IMO, he has lied several times to the media/public/court).

What I do remember from the jail visitation videos, is that Casey isn't too happy with the food. And she may not be happy that she is only allowed to shower every other day. Isolated in a jail cell with no contact from anyone but staff or her attorneys just has to be extremely boring! Even for Casey.

[crimeq]

Good morning everyone! I was taking a broad look at all the outstanding motions, and it hit me. If Judge Strickland rules as some think he might, it will be sending a powerful message to Casey.

Your case is not going to be dismissed.
The death penalty is a real possibility.

You are being asked to produce the reciprocal discovery that would prove your innocence.
(your bluff from the other day in court has been called)

The murder charges against you are not going to go away.
The aggrevated child abuse charges are not going to go away.

The monitoring and video taping of you in the jail is not going to stop.
The video/audio taping of your family (phone call or visiting) will not stop.

I HOPE it goes this way. I would think JudgeS would be pretty ticked at these motions, unless I just don't understand that what looks like "trickery" here to me, is actually allowed in the courts. Obviously I'm not the legal expert here, but I'd think JudgeS would be tired of shenanigans. I'm hoping for the best on Friday, and that he does send the messages you outlined above.

[denjet]

One down, how many to go???

Prosecutors to get transcript of George Anthony's testimony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-grand-jury-100609,0,7743670.story)

"The State Attorney's office will get a copy of George Anthony's testimony before a grand jury, a judge ruled today.

Circuit Judge Stan Strickland signed an order today that a transcript of Anthony's appearance before the grand jury -- an appearance that came a day before his daughter was indicted on a charge of first-degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter -- be delivered to the State Attorney's office."

Bet George isn't too happy about this ... especially since the defense wanted a copy too ....

[Sun]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-grand-jury-100609,0,7743670.story

Prosecutors to get copy of George Anthony's grand jury testimony
2:41 p.m. EDT, October 6, 2009

The State Attorney's office will get a copy of George Anthony's testimony before a grand jury, a judge ruled today.

Circuit Judge Stan Strickland signed an order today that a transcript of Anthony's appearance before the grand jury -- an appearance that came a day before his daughter was indicted on a charge of first-degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter -- be delivered to the State Attorney's office.

[Sun]

Sorry denjet, I didn't see your post in time.

This is a biggie! I wonder just how much trouble George could be in, if he is eventually found to have lied in his GJ testimony? Or if he lies in testimony in the trial (if his testimony differs greatly from that he gave to the GJ)?

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-grand-jury-100609,0,7743670.story

Prosecutors to get copy of George Anthony's grand jury testimony
2:41 p.m. EDT, October 6, 2009

The State Attorney's office will get a copy of George Anthony's testimony before a grand jury, a judge ruled today.

Circuit Judge Stan Strickland signed an order today that a transcript of Anthony's appearance before the grand jury -- an appearance that came a day before his daughter was indicted on a charge of first-degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter -- be delivered to the State Attorney's office.

:thumbsup: I wish we could also get access to this.

[denjet]

Sorry denjet, I didn't see your post in time.

This is a biggie! I wonder just how much trouble George could be in, if he is eventually found to have lied in his GJ testimony? Or if he lies in testimony in the trial (if his testimony differs greatly from that he gave to the GJ)?

Hi Sun! LOL great minds ....
Yep ... well the defense can get a copy too ... wonder if they will relay to their client what daddy said? The state has already deposed George and Cindy so I imagine there were conflicting statements? I thought that was why the state requested it ... I could be wrong ...
and yes, George is definitely in trouble ... :biggrin:

[Lapis]

I HOPE it goes this way. I would think JudgeS would be pretty ticked at these motions, unless I just don't understand that what looks like "trickery" here to me, is actually allowed in the courts. Obviously I'm not the legal expert here, but I'd think JudgeS would be tired of shenanigans. I'm hoping for the best on Friday, and that he does send the messages you outlined above.

Certain motions must be filed prior to trial. Failure to file these motions could form the basis for an appeal based upon ineffective assistance of counsel. JMO

[hello its me]

Certain motions must be filed prior to trial. Failure to file these motions could form the basis for an appeal based upon ineffective assistance of counsel. JMO

Is there a limit on how many times it can be filed/refiled before it becomes ineffective counsel? :scared:

[denjet]

:thumbsup: I wish we could also get access to this.
Hi msgator!
Too bad we won't ... I'm guessing his GJ testimony is the more truthful one and the state's deposition is the one that's not so truthful ... Nejame was George's lawyer then which is why I think George told the truth at that one ... wonder when and if we'll get to see George's depo ...

[Spots]

I think for the COV response they should do compilation of all the appearances by Bozo and the Ms Piggy-look-a-like on the Today show and Macaluso on the other shows. Have it FedExed to the judge with a note "Are they serious?" :biggrin:

COV must be one of the *very* few "big, legal words" that Jose remembers from law school. IIRC he's been asking for a COV since the first hearing (well, almost). And Stan the Man has consistently told him that his request is premature. I expect the same response this time as well.

[Pruddennce]

One down, how many to go???

Prosecutors to get transcript of George Anthony's testimony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-grand-jury-100609,0,7743670.story)

"The State Attorney's office will get a copy of George Anthony's testimony before a grand jury, a judge ruled today.

Circuit Judge Stan Strickland signed an order today that a transcript of Anthony's appearance before the grand jury -- an appearance that came a day before his daughter was indicted on a charge of first-degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter -- be delivered to the State Attorney's office."

Bet George isn't too happy about this ... especially since the defense wanted a copy too ....

most certainly. * I THOUGHT IT WAS SEALED *...<---bubble thought hovering over GA......wondering if Brad prepared him......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[need2no]

:thumbsup: I wish we could also get access to this.

Me too, but at this point it doesn't sound like that is going to happen.

Judge's Order On Grand Jury Testimony

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21218532/detail.html

[Sun]

Hi Sun! LOL great minds ....
Yep ... well the defense can get a copy too ... wonder if they will relay to their client what daddy said? The state has already deposed George and Cindy so I imagine there were conflicting statements? I thought that was why the state requested it ... I could be wrong ...
and yes, George is definitely in trouble ... :biggrin:

ooooo, here is the order from Judge Strickland. Looks like it is provided to the State only. No mention of the defense getting it at this time.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21218532/detail.html

[Pruddennce]

Sorry denjet, I didn't see your post in time.

This is a biggie! I wonder just how much trouble George could be in, if he is eventually found to have lied in his GJ testimony? Or if he lies in testimony in the trial (if his testimony differs greatly from that he gave to the GJ)?

Sun, these people think they are invincible.....lying has been their way of life....I truly believe GA thought he could 'get away with it'.....someone didnt prepare him for the possible 'release' to the state and defense at any given time.....

an attorney representing the anthonys (BC at the moment) has no control and will eventually give up....similar to NeJame)....exercise in futility.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[denjet]

most certainly. * I THOUGHT IT WAS SEALED *...<---bubble thought hovering over GA......wondering if Brad prepared him......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*
Hi Pru !
George's having a bad day today ... sounds like it is still only the state and the defense that will see it ...
Bet Cindy wants to hammer it out of him !! She's not going to like anybody knowing when she doesn't ... wonder how truthful he's been to her ...

[denjet]

ooooo, here is the order from Judge Strickland. Looks like it is provided to the State only. No mention of the defense getting it at this time.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21218532/detail.html
I wonder if the state will make Baez file a request for it ... I know he asked for one in court ... guess he was too busy making TV appearances :tonguewag:

[Sun]

Sun, these people think they are invincible.....lying has been their way of life....I truly believe GA thought he could 'get away with it'.....someone didnt prepare him for the possible 'release' to the state and defense at any given time.....

an attorney representing the anthonys (BC at the moment) has no control and will eventually give up....similar to NeJame)....exercise in futility.

IMO best regards,
Pru


Casey is really, really going to be mad now! She was so sure that GJ proceeding were to be kept SECRET.

Now, we just need to wait, wait, wait to see if Ashton's memory is correct about George's GJ testimony. I would guess that the Anthonys are probably not glad to hear this news.

[crimeq]

Des, besides some kind of mental fugue state, what on earth could be the reasonable explanation for casey not calling 911 for 31 days and also explain her abysmal actions during those 31 days. I can't think of any, can you and certain none that are "compelling."

scampi, without reading up on fugue states, I think I recall that they involve loss of memory/identity/amnesia -- I don't think that would apply to Casey. However, there may be other fugue characteristics or types I'm unaware of.

[Scampi]

At least Judge Stan has ruled on one motion, maybe the rest will follow quickly now.

[msgatorslayer]

Hi msgator!
Too bad we won't ... I'm guessing his GJ testimony is the more truthful one and the state's deposition is the one that's not so truthful ... Nejame was George's lawyer then which is why I think George told the truth at that one ... wonder when and if we'll get to see George's depo ...

I'm just gonna stroll on over to a corner and comfort myself.:tongueside:

ITA, I think George was very honest in his GJ testimony.

[Sun]

I wonder if the state will make Baez file a request for it ... I know he asked for one in court ... guess he was too busy making TV appearances :tonguewag:

Does the defense have any legal grounds to be able to get their hands on GJ testimony? I sort of think that they wouldn't be, but I really don't know.

[denjet]

Does the defense have any legal grounds to be able to get their hands on GJ testimony? I sort of think that they wouldn't be, but I really don't know.
They asked for it in court last time and the state had no problem with them getting it .... just the defense hasn't filed any motion yet to get it ...

[Spots]

Does the defense have any legal grounds to be able to get their hands on GJ testimony? I sort of think that they wouldn't be, but I really don't know.

I *believe* that if the state gets it, they have to turn it over the the duhfense.

If they use two or three (or however many) statements from George, we will get to see those, but not the rest of it.

[bballgrl]

Hi everyone I was just on the Caylee Daily and they are saying that Baez said they may be open to a plea deal. Did anyone hear that?

Actually I think Geraldo asked if it were a possibility and Baez said that it would be entirely up to Casey as it is her life and sentencing that is on the line.. (paraphrasing) Either way, I think the Defense team is losing hope....:thumbsup:

[Lavinya]

I *believe* that if the state gets it, they have to turn it over the the duhfense.

If they use two or three (or however many) statements from George, we will get to see those, but not the rest of it.

The duh-fense, love it! :laugh:

How much you want to bet Jose' is going to mine for nuggets to use to discredit George or throw suspicion on him?

[Pruddennce]

Hi msgator!
Too bad we won't ... I'm guessing his GJ testimony is the more truthful one and the state's deposition is the one that's not so truthful ... Nejame was George's lawyer then which is why I think George told the truth at that one ... wonder when and if we'll get to see George's depo ...

lets think about this:

GA got on national tv on Dec 10th LKL, and stated, without hesitation, that HE SAW PIZZA and the smell was GARBAGE.

and this after their interviews with LE/FBI were released.

knowing full LE/FBI would catch his interviews...HE DIDNT CARE.

why would he care about a deposition?

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[need2no]

Does the defense have any legal grounds to be able to get their hands on GJ testimony? I sort of think that they wouldn't be, but I really don't know.

Secrecy was originally designed to protect the grand jurors from improper pressures. The modern justifications are to prevent the escape of people whose indictment may be contemplated, to ensure that the grand jury is free to deliberate without outside pressure, to prevent subornation of perjury or witness tampering prior to a subsequent trial, to encourage people with information about a crime to speak freely, and to protect the innocent accused from disclosure of the fact that he or she was under investigation.


At one time, the defendant in a criminal trial was never given access to the grand jury testimony that resulted in the indictment. By the 1980s, in most jurisdictions, if a witness who testified before the grand jury was called to testify at the eventual trial, the defendant was given a copy of that witness's grand jury testimony to use for possible impeachment. Some jurisdictions also give the defendant a list of everyone who testified before the grand jury, and several give the defendant a full transcript of all relevant grand jury testimony.

http://www.abanet.org/media/faqjury.html

[denjet]

Actually I think Geraldo asked if it were a possibility and Baez said that it would be entirely up to Casey as it is her life and sentencing that is on the line.. (paraphrasing) Either way, I think the Defense team is losing hope....:thumbsup:
Hi bball!
When I saw that interview it made me wonder if Baez is still best buds with Geraldo ??? I'm sure it's not a question he wanted to answer and did a poor job when he did ...

[Sun]

I *believe* that if the state gets it, they have to turn it over the the duhfense.

If they use two or three (or however many) statements from George, we will get to see those, but not the rest of it.

The Florida Sunshine Law is fairly clear. GJ testimony is exempt from the Sunshine Law. No releaseeeee to the media/public. None.

[crimeq]

I agree....I wonder if Casey will eventually try for a plea deal...she may be running this to the hilt like she did with everything else....but a plea deal will only get her LWOP.....

If the only choice she has is LWOP, I don't think she'll take it. She'd rather risk it, hoping there will be a glitch and there will be a "mistrial" as she calls it --I think what that means to her is that it was all a MIStake and should not have been tried at all. After all, she was arrested on a whim.

I don't think she'll plea.

[denjet]

lets think about this:

GA got on national tv on Dec 10th LKL, and stated, without hesitation, that HE SAW PIZZA and the smell was GARBAGE.

and this after their interviews with LE/FBI were released.

knowing full LE/FBI would catch his interviews...HE DIDNT CARE.

why would he care about a deposition?

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Well if he doesn't care, he should ... that's if he knows the difference between lying and lying under oath!

[cassidy]

The Florida Sunshine Law is fairly clear. GJ testimony is exempt from the Sunshine Law. No releaseeeee to the media/public. None.


If Goerge lied to the GJ or contradicted what he has said, can that testimony be used in trial?

[bballgrl]

ooooo, here is the order from Judge Strickland. Looks like it is provided to the State only. No mention of the defense getting it at this time.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21218532/detail.html

Let the defense file a motion for it and follow the "correct procedure" for requesting evidence in a Criminal case. FGS, they want everyone to do their work for them. Too bad they don't realize that they are outgunned, even though they are over-priced "High Profile" attourneys and all... Snicker...:biggrin:

[msgatorslayer]

The Florida Sunshine Law is fairly clear. GJ testimony is exempt from the Sunshine Law. No releaseeeee to the media/public. None.

That is so true. The closest I recall to almost seeing GJ transcripts was in the Aisenberg case. They were set to be released, and then, IIRC, a higher court objected, or something happened, and they never were.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Pruddennce
lets think about this:

GA got on national tv on Dec 10th LKL, and stated, without hesitation, that HE SAW PIZZA and the smell was GARBAGE.

and this after their interviews with LE/FBI were released.

knowing full LE/FBI would catch his interviews...HE DIDNT CARE.

why would he care about a deposition?

best regards,
Pru

Lying to the media is nowhere as serious as lying on the stand, in a murder trial. It is quite telling that both Cindy and George can spout off lies to the media/public. I don't expect that George was completely honest in his GJ testimony, simply because I have seen evidence that he's lied so many times before. But it may appear that he is going to try to change his testimony, and if he does, he's likely to have to suffer the consequences for it.

[denjet]

If Goerge lied to the GJ or contradicted what he has said, can that testimony be used in trial?
Hi Cass,
Not sure how it works in FL, but I found this:

"The grand jury testimony of a witness, like other prior statements, may be used at a criminal trial for impeachment purposes; that is, on cross-examination. But may grand jury testimony be introduced on a party's direct case? Normally, no; an out-of-court statement, including grand jury testimony, is excludable as hearsay.

In some situations, however, grand jury testimony may be admissible on direct.

A defendant who testifies at the grand jury waives immunity. The standard waiver form states that the defendant "consent(s) and agree(s) to the use against me of any testimony by me before the Grand Jury . . . upon any . . . trial . . .."

So it sounds like it can be used against George if he made statements in his depo or at trial that contradict what he told GJ ...

[need2no]

Lying to the media is nowhere as serious as lying on the stand, in a murder trial. It is quite telling that both Cindy and George can spout off lies to the media/public. I don't expect that George was completely honest in his GJ testimony, simply because I have seen evidence that he's lied so many times before. But it may appear that he is going to try to change his testimony, and if he does, he's likely to have to suffer the consequences for it.

BBM

It's my understanding the reason the prosecution wanted the GJ testimony is to compare George's GJ testimony with what he stated while under oath in his deposition with the State.

[hello its me]

Hi Cass,
Not sure how it works in FL, but I found this:

"The grand jury testimony of a witness, like other prior statements, may be used at a criminal trial for impeachment purposes; that is, on cross-examination. But may grand jury testimony be introduced on a party's direct case? Normally, no; an out-of-court statement, including grand jury testimony, is excludable as hearsay.

In some situations, however, grand jury testimony may be admissible on direct.

A defendant who testifies at the grand jury waives immunity. The standard waiver form states that the defendant "consent(s) and agree(s) to the use against me of any testimony by me before the Grand Jury . . . upon any . . . trial . . .."

So it sounds like it can be used against George if he made statements in his depo or at trial that contradict what he told GJ ...

how is he gonna decide which statement to contradict...

[trich]

Lying to the media is nowhere as serious as lying on the stand, in a murder trial. It is quite telling that both Cindy and George can spout off lies to the media/public. I don't expect that George was completely honest in his GJ testimony, simply because I have seen evidence that he's lied so many times before. But it may appear that he is going to try to change his testimony, and if he does, he's likely to have to suffer the consequences for it.


IMO there is no law against lying to others.
That is unless you are sworn to tell the truth in depositions
and in front of the GJ.
IMO I think the state is going to have proof that George indeed lied in his depositions when they compare to GJ tesimony.
I actually hope that they can charge him with purgery.
It certainly will be interesting how and what his answers will be when he testifies once the trial begins.

[Sun]

BBM

It's my understanding the reason the prosecution wanted the GJ testimony is to compare George's GJ testimony with what he stated while under oath in his deposition with the State.

Correct. That is my understanding also. I know that lying to the GJ can have some serious consequences. Don't quite know what happens if you lie in an sworn depo. though. Or how it can be proven which is the truth, or which is a lie (if the testimony is contradictory). Perhaps we all will get to learn this.

[Bala]

Certain motions must be filed prior to trial. Failure to file these motions could form the basis for an appeal based upon ineffective assistance of counsel. JMO

Lapis
Does the Judges have the discretion to admonition the defense if he feels they aren't doing their job. Can he step in before there is grounds for an appeal and tell them to get their acts together.

[LadyHam]

IMO there is no law against lying to others.
That is unless you are sworn to tell the truth in depositions
and in front of the GJ.
IMO I think the state is going to have proof that George indeed lied in his depositions when they compare to GJ tesimony.
I actually hope that they can charge him with purgery.
It certainly will be interesting how and what his answers will be when he testifies once the trial begins.

Bolding by me....

That is my big question in all of this. If George's GJ testimony is different from his testimony at his deposition w/the state, can he then be charged w/perjury? If he can, do you think he actually would be? Or if at all, not until after Casey's trial?

[Scampi]

Correct. That is my understanding also. I know that lying to the GJ can have some serious consequences. Don't quite know what happens if you lie in an sworn depo. though. Or how it can be proven which is the truth, or which is a lie (if the testimony is contradictory). Perhaps we all will get to learn this.

Let's ask Martha Stewart what happens when one lies to the FBI, shall we? :cool:

[denjet]

IMO there is no law against lying to others.
That is unless you are sworn to tell the truth in depositions
and in front of the GJ.
IMO I think the state is going to have proof that George indeed lied in his depositions when they compare to GJ tesimony.
I actually hope that they can charge him with purgery.
It certainly will be interesting how and what his answers will be when he testifies once the trial begins.
Hi trich! the state can use the GJ testimony to discredit George's testimony at trial ... but I'm wondering if the State can depose George again or if they will even bother with a perjury charge ... I guess the big question is what is the state going to use the GJ testimony for ...

[forensicfan]

I think it may come from this: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-asks-if-jose-baez-signals-shift-in-defense.html

On Fox News Channel, Geraldo Rivera interviewed Baez and brought up a plea deal for Anthony.

"That's not my decision to make," Baez told Rivera. "Any plea that would ever be taken would have to be taken by Casey, and she would have to accept the plea if one were offered."

That statement alone is what makes me think that even her defense team don't think she is innocent.

[crimeq]

"The Caylee Daily" says this is the site Cindy was wanting to have taken down on the net. I've never seen it before...

http://www.zazzle.com/caylee+gifts

ETA: It is a poster that is referencing this site, I don't know if The Caylee Daily themselves did...

What authority does Cindy have to remove a website from the net? She may not like the products this company is marketing, but I don't see anything libelous or slanderous about them.

[Bala]

The state says Georges's testimony at the grand jury was materially inconsistent. I'm not sure what that means other than he's lying. I not know what 'materially inconsistent' means.

[Spots]

The Florida Sunshine Law is fairly clear. GJ testimony is exempt from the Sunshine Law. No releaseeeee to the media/public. None.

I don't expect to see the entire transcript at all. However, if a statement by George ("I left my wallet at the store.") conflicts with another statement in a deposition ("He stole my wallet.") we will be privy to that, sooner or later.

[Ellie]

Correct. That is my understanding also. I know that lying to the GJ can have some serious consequences. Don't quite know what happens if you lie in an sworn depo. though. Or how it can be proven which is the truth, or which is a lie (if the testimony is contradictory). Perhaps we all will get to learn this.


It has always seemed to me that George was honest until his 'breakdown' when he was found in the motel by himself. I always thought that was when Cindy kind of got to him.... I think he told the GJ everything he thought and felt in all honesty and then felt guilty for it, and 'paid for it' when he got home. It wasn't until some time after the GJ testimony that I felt George made a huge change and started being dishonest.

[denjet]

What authority does Cindy have to remove a website from the net? She may not like the products this company is marketing, but I don't see anything libelous or slanderous about them.
Hi crime!
I suppose she'd have to have an attorney pursue this for her which would draw even more attention to them ... maybe she's busy sending threatening emails to these sites ... this could keep her very busy for a long time ... shut down one another pops up ...
Brad helped them shut down the Caylee bears site ...

[BettyC]

What authority does Cindy have to remove a website from the net? She may not like the products this company is marketing, but I don't see anything libelous or slanderous about them.

Oh Cindy thinks her rock, Dominic, can get anything done.

[Lapis]

Lapis
Does the Judges have the discretion to admonition the defense if he feels they aren't doing their job. Can he step in before there is grounds for an appeal and tell them to get their acts together.

In my experience the court is loathe to step in and admonish counsel. Part of being a judge is to stay above the fray. Just because he/she would not do things the same way does not mean that the opinion should be expressed. The court must assume that counsel is competent and will allow counsel the leeway to try their own case. JMO

[Bala]

It has always seemed to me that George was honest until his 'breakdown' when he was found in the motel by himself. I always thought that was when Cindy kind of got to him.... I think he told the GJ everything he thought and felt in all honesty and then felt guilty for it, and 'paid for it' when he got home. It wasn't until some time after the GJ testimony that I felt George made a huge change and started being dishonest.

I agree. I have always felt that George was the weak link in this family although once the money started rolling in he seem to change and not for the better. His testimony during the motion to try to shut up LP was bordering on pathetic he was so transparent in his lies. JMO

[crimeq]

Not only that but could you imagine Cindy and George closing their eyes and going to sleep each night knowing Casey was in the next room. How would they ever sleep again. I know I couldn't.

I bet they'd change the locks on their bedroom door. :wink:

[Lucy]

The Judge ordered the gj testimony turned over to the State. The Judge must have some reason to believed george lied in either the depo or the grand jury testimony. Does this mean the public will be allowed to see transcripts? mo

[Scampi]

I'm just glad that way back when, the prosecutor's demanded that Judge Stan force this defendant to attend all pretrial hearings. If it was up to jose, she would have skipped as many as possible.

[Lavinya]

What authority does Cindy have to remove a website from the net? She may not like the products this company is marketing, but I don't see anything libelous or slanderous about them.

What was the final word on whether Cindy, et al, tried to copyright Caylee's name?

[Ellie]

I agree. I have always felt that George was the weak link in this family although once the money started rolling in he seem to change and not for the better. His testimony during the motion to try to shut up LP was bordering on pathetic he was so transparent in his lies. JMO

...as well as his testimony during the first Zanny depo or whatever it was. Where he accused her lawyer of flipping the bird when he was simply pushing his glasses up and used the laywer's saying "the remains" as an opportunity to have an outburst. See... before that George seemed a bit more 'together' (aside from the outburst in his driveway where he said "the body in the trunk of my daughter's car was not my grand daughter!"). Yep, I thought he was the weak link too and if anyone was going to come clean it'd be George... but I think he's got the fear of Cindy in him and will do what she says. (You all know too that I've defended Cindy in the past. I won't defend her any more but I do feel sorry for her... I think she has lost her mind.)

[Bala]

The Judge ordered the gj testimony turned over to the State. The Judge must have some reason to believed george lied in either the depo or the grand jury testimony. Does this mean the public will be allowed to see transcripts? mo
The Judge heard Georges testimony during the motion hearing about LP. He heard George lie through his teeth. He wasn't very good at it and it was very obvious he was lying. Please according to George he was the only person in the free world that didn't know LP was there to bail out Casey. George the security guard had to bring in security from California. Could he have been more obvious.

[ish]

I'm just gonna stroll on over to a corner and comfort myself.:tongueside:

ITA, I think George was very honest in his GJ testimony.

my bold

Possibly he was, but not so honest in other situations, any place he was under oath and told a different story is going to be a problem. Especially if the lies are attempts to help Casey or back up her story.

He can be challenged on any statement made that is different from the GJ, that will hurt his credibility.

[denjet]

Oh Cindy thinks her rock, Dominic, can get anything done.
Hi bett!
Well if Dominic and Brad are working on taking these sites down, how come
www.cayleemarieanthony.net
cayleemarieanthony.memory-of.com
are still up and running? Wasn't Cindy trying to copyright Caylee's name at some point?
Maybe she doesn't HAVE a legal standing here ... I mean there is such thing as freedom of the speech ...

[Bala]

What was the final word on whether Cindy, et al, tried to copyright Caylee's name?
I think this is the million dollar question when it comes to what's going on with the money the Anthony's are making. Casey is Caylee's legal guardian and would be entitled to Caylee's estate including all money made off her name and image. If you go to that website it's mostly about Casey with a few things with Caylee's image so I not sure what rights Cindy would have to shut it down.

[Lucy]

The Judge heard Georges testimony during the motion hearing about LP. He heard George lie through his teeth. He wasn't very good at it and it was very obvious he was lying. Please according to George he was the only person in the free world that didn't know LP was there to bail out Casey. George the security guard had to bring in security from California. Could he have been more obvious.

OK I see. Too bad the other judge isnt more like This Judge. Hope we get to see transcripts. Hoping now maybe someone will request the depos now from the state so we can read them. This just might be what it takes for defense attorney to ask for them. I'm sure they'll ask for grand jury transcripts soon. Will those gj transcripts now be turned over to defense in discovery?

[Lucy]

Hi bett!
Well if Dominic and Brad are working on taking these sites down, how come
www.cayleemarieanthony.net
cayleemarieanthony.memory-of.com
are still up and running? Wasn't Cindy trying to copyright Caylee's name at some point?
Maybe she doesn't HAVE a legal standing here ... I mean there is such thing as freedom of the speech ...

Little behind here what sites are they working on taking down?

[Bala]

Hi bett!
Well if Dominic and Brad are working on taking these sites down, how come
www.cayleemarieanthony.net
cayleemarieanthony.memory-of.com
are still up and running? Wasn't Cindy trying to copyright Caylee's name at some point?
Maybe she doesn't HAVE a legal standing here ... I mean there is such thing as freedom of the speech ...
I think they may be able to say what they want but do they have the right to use images of Casey and Caylee?

[MisterGrey]

What was the final word on whether Cindy, et al, tried to copyright Caylee's name?

I don't think that issue was settled.

I checked on

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

which states names cannot be copyrighted but some may be trademarked.

I don't know how far, if anywhere, Cindy went with that. I felt she was just staking her own claim to the name so only the Anthony's would have control over it and any donations the name might generate.

[crimeq]

Certain motions must be filed prior to trial. Failure to file these motions could form the basis for an appeal based upon ineffective assistance of counsel. JMO

Lapis, thanks for explaining. I appreciate having you on this board.

[Bala]

In my experience the court is loathe to step in and admonish counsel. Part of being a judge is to stay above the fray. Just because he/she would not do things the same way does not mean that the opinion should be expressed. The court must assume that counsel is competent and will allow counsel the leeway to try their own case. JMO
So if the Judge saw that the failure of the defense to act on time in filing a motion that would be grounds for an appeal before the trial even started what would he do? Would he allow the trial to go forward even though he knows the verdict will be thrown out on appeal?

[denjet]

What was the final word on whether Cindy, et al, tried to copyright Caylee's name?
Not sure but I can't find anywhere that the name is a registered copyright or copyright at all ... however cayleemarieanthonyfoundation has the registered copyright next to it ...

[Lapis]

So if the Judge saw that the failure of the defense to act on time in filing a motion that would be grounds for an appeal before the trial even started what would he do? Would he allow the trial to go forward even though he knows the verdict will be thrown out on appeal?

Very rarely will a judge in a criminal case just boot the motion for failure to file it on time. If he/she does and the motion has merit they will just give the defense grounds for appeal. He/she will usually rule on the merits. Remember, the court will not punish the litigant for the failure of the attorney to act in a timely manner. Usually, they will begin the ruling with "while the court recognizes that the motion was not timely filed the court in the interest of justice has entertained the motion and finds......." JMO

[Pruddennce]

Well if he doesn't care, he should ... that's if he knows the difference between lying and lying under oath!

denjet, exactly, does he know the difference?

IMO, he does and did not care *at that time* you are right, he should care NOW....

but again, as we see with these people, they feel they are above the law, and lack scruples and a moral compass......hence, NeJame making a dash for the door....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Bala]

Very rarely will a judge in a criminal case just boot the motion for failure to file it on time. If he/she does and the motion has merit they will just give the defense grounds for appeal. He/she will usually rule on the merits. Remember, the court will not punish the litigant for the failure of the attorney to act in a timely manner. Usually, they will begin the ruling with "while the court recognizes that the motion was not timely filed the court in the interest of justice has entertained the motion and finds......." JMO

I know understand so much better. Thank You once again Lapis.

[denjet]

I think they may be able to say what they want but do they have the right to use images of Casey and Caylee?
Not sure, but there sure are a slew of them out there ... how can they possibly go after all the people using them? And let's not forget they sold the rights to some of the pictures and video, so how can they turn around and say anything now ... good luck, Cindy, chasing them all down :biggrin:

[crimeq]

What was the final word on whether Cindy, et al, tried to copyright Caylee's name?

I think a name is not copyrightable.

[denjet]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

[summer]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

denjet - yippee!

And I'm loving Hal the TV Guy today - Fanning's book sounds enormously entertaining :biggrin:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-mommys-little-girl-compiles-history-of-lies.html#more

[seeing_eye]

It has always seemed to me that George was honest until his 'breakdown' when he was found in the motel by himself. I always thought that was when Cindy kind of got to him.... I think he told the GJ everything he thought and felt in all honesty and then felt guilty for it, and 'paid for it' when he got home. It wasn't until some time after the GJ testimony that I felt George made a huge change and started being dishonest.

IIRC, George's "breakdown" came after his appearance on LKL where he said the smell in the car was rotting pizza. So he was definitely not being honest before the breakdown. I know he "appeared" to be honest in his earlier interviews with LE, but I think that was just George being the chameleon he is and wanted LE to believe he is still one of "them."

[summer]

I hope brother Rick is in the Witness Protection Program - he's gonna need to be far away from Cindy's h a m m e r when this book comes out.

[Sun]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

Oh my! :thumbsup: Another doc dump this week. Let's see, do you suppose this will include the recent photos of Casey's tattoo(s)?

[Pruddennce]

Not sure, but there sure are a slew of them out there ... how can they possibly go after all the people using them? And let's not forget they sold the rights to some of the pictures and video, so how can they turn around and say anything now ... good luck, Cindy, chasing them all down :biggrin:

Cindy should have used all that energy 'looking' for Caylee...BESIDES HER OWN BACKYARD *which speaks volumes as to what 'they believed'..........IIRC, she never ONCE went door to door....they did their candlelight vigils complete with PROFANITY telling the public to get off their *ahem* and LOOK FOR HER...

they responded to the media with arrogance....*how dare they ask us stupid questions*, like uh, why didnt she report her own child missing?????"

too much time on Cindy's hands. she spent time 'cracking the Casey code', complete with accusations against others. Cindy considers it productive, accusing others and having a 'do not allow' list for a memorial....

she better worry about her bank account down the road...IMO, they are going to be sued ROYALLY.......


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Sun]

IIRC, George's "breakdown" came after his appearance on LKL where he said the smell in the car was rotting pizza. So he was definitely not being honest before the breakdown. I know he "appeared" to be honest in his earlier interviews with LE, but I think that was just George being the chameleon he is and wanted LE to believe he is still one of "them."

IIRC, George fled on the same day/week that he was to pick out cremation jewelry. Shucks, I was so confused about what that really meant, way back when.

[denjet]

denjet - yippee!

And I'm loving Hal the TV Guy today - Fanning's book sounds enormously entertaining :biggrin:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-mommys-little-girl-compiles-history-of-lies.html#more
thanks, summer!
Good article ... can't wait for the book! Has anyone noticed the cover changed from Casey's glare in the background and Caylee's face in the foreground to the one pictured in the article ... Amazon's still showing the first one that came out ...

Mommy's Little Girl (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_0_8?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=mommy's+little+girl&sprefix=mommy's+)

Personally, I liked the first one, KC's eyes tell it all ... pure evil

[Scampi]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

Oh my goodness, I'm polishing my reading glasses as we speak. Finally, we may get the very crucial insect and soil reports.:thumbup:

[msgatorslayer]

denjet - yippee!

And I'm loving Hal the TV Guy today - Fanning's book sounds enormously entertaining :biggrin:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-mommys-little-girl-compiles-history-of-lies.html#more

From the link -

'The Past notes that Cindy Anthony was nicknamed "The Princess" in her family'

The crown doesn't fall far, does it?

[denjet]

Oh my! :thumbsup: Another doc dump this week. Let's see, do you suppose this will include the recent photos of Casey's tattoo(s)?
Could be, but I'm hoping for juicier stuff than that ... the article said everything the state has to date !! I hope they're not teasing us ... guess we'll know soon if it's everything ...
No wonder the defense was out in full force last Friday !!:w00t:

[summer]

thanks, summer!
Good article ... can't wait for the book! Has anyone noticed the cover changed from Casey's glare in the background and Caylee's face in the foreground to the one pictured in the article ... Amazon's still showing the first one that came out ...

Mommy's Little Girl (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_0_8?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=mommy's+little+girl&sprefix=mommy's+)

Personally, I liked the first one, KC's eyes tell it all ... pure evil

I like the one shown in Hal's article - seeing her shackled is just so pleasurable. Whichever cover they use it doesn't matter - the revelations on the inside will carry the day.

[summer]

From the link -

'The Past notes that Cindy Anthony was nicknamed "The Princess" in her family'

The crown doesn't fall far, does it?

The media is going to pick up on this book like wildfire. We'll have analysis for months. Oh Cindy, too bad so sad. Couldn't happen to a nicer woman.

[Jen]

Say whaaaat?
10,400 pages, now THAT'S a document dump!
I can't wait!! :thumbsup:

[msgatorslayer]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

:thumbsup: They've never said EVERY doc in the past. WOW!!! No more spoon feeding. They're letting it all out!!! Yippie!!!

[Sun]

Could be, but I'm hoping for juicier stuff than that ... the article said everything the state has to date !! I hope they're not teasing us ... guess we'll know soon if it's everything ...
No wonder the defense was out in full force last Friday !!:w00t:

I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to see a transcript of the LE interview with Cindy's boss, a Deborah Polisano. She is the one who referred Cindy to a counselor, after Cindy talked with her.

[denjet]

From the link -

'The Past notes that Cindy Anthony was nicknamed "The Princess" in her family'

The crown doesn't fall far, does it?
Sure doesn't ... when I found out Cindy was not only the baby of the family, but the only girl I thought that explains a lot ... :closedeyes:

[Lucy]

Oh my goodness, I'm polishing my reading glasses as we speak. Finally, we may get the very crucial insect and soil reports.:thumbup:

Hoping for the maggot evidence.

this media blitz that the defense team is on again really has a lot of nerve asking for cov when they are all over the national media.

[Sun]

From the link -

'The Past notes that Cindy Anthony was nicknamed "The Princess" in her family'

The crown doesn't fall far, does it?

I'm going to guess that was Cindy's nickname when "she" was growing up.

[crimeq]

Say whaaaat?
10,400 pages, now THAT'S a document dump!
I can't wait!! :thumbsup:

Jen, to me that read it was a total number of 10K+ docs they had, period, so that would include the doc dumps we've already received -- anybody else think that? or is it over 10K new pages?

[Jen]

Jen, to me that read it was a total number of 10K+ docs they had, period, so that would include the doc dumps we've already received -- anybody else think that? or is it over 10K new pages?


Your right! I just got excited & got ahead of myself.

[Lavinya]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

YAY! The cleaning lady came today and the house is full of groceries! I can't WAIT!

ETA: I hope we get some fingerprint evidence, too!

[msgatorslayer]

Jen, to me that read it was a total number of 10K+ docs they had, period, so that would include the doc dumps we've already received -- anybody else think that? or is it over 10K new pages?

Yeah, thats the way it reads.

I'd be interested in a Commerative Addition CD, lmao. Chronological order and all that jazz. Proceeds go to the Casey Anthony Prosecution Fund.:biggrin:

[denjet]

Jen, to me that read it was a total number of 10K+ docs they had, period, so that would include the doc dumps we've already received -- anybody else think that? or is it over 10K new pages?
That's the big question, crime ...
I'm hoping we at least are going to see the hundreds of pages that have been missing from all of the previous docs !!
I'm wondering too if we'll see the pages Brad had ...
Can't wait!

[LadyHam]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

:thumbsup:

[Julie Dupree]

From WFTV's site:

MORE DOCS EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED
Also this week, the state is expected to release more documents in the case.
Eyewitness News has learned they are releasing every document the state has received to date. That's a total of 10,400 pages.

Yippee! :w00t:

You know JB already has seen these documents.
I wonder if this explains why he changed his "she is innocent" to "its up to Casey if she wants to accept a Pea" (or something close to that) he told Geraldo.
Maybe he knows what these documents will contain.

[trich]

Not sure, but there sure are a slew of them out there ... how can they possibly go after all the people using them? And let's not forget they sold the rights to some of the pictures and video, so how can they turn around and say anything now ... good luck, Cindy, chasing them all down :biggrin:

There are pictures of Casey and Caylee all over the internet not like this company stole the pictures or took the pictures without consent.
I don't think anything posted on the internet is private......
Once you post pics on the internet they are all there for anyone to see.
At least that is my understanding.

[Pruddennce]

Not sure but I can't find anywhere that the name is a registered copyright or copyright at all ... however cayleemarieanthonyfoundation has the registered copyright next to it ...

they are not using the "C", they are using the R within a circle.

they are not in the registered database. even if they applied, the law is you should not use the symbol until it is registered.

I think they are using the circle R to denote that their FOUNDATION is registered.....but there are different levels of registering the name.....

http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/business-structures/non-profit/incorporate-non-profit-checklist.html

they are not in this database:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm

The federal registration symbol may be used once the mark is actually registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Even though an application is pending, the registration symbol may not be used before the mark has actually become registered. The federal registration symbol should only be used on goods or services that are the subject of the federal trademark registration. [Note: Several foreign countries use the letter R enclosed within a circle to indicate that a mark is registered in that country. Use of the symbol by the holder of a foreign registration may be proper.]

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Julie Dupree]

YAY! The cleaning lady came today and the house is full of groceries! I can't WAIT!

ETA: I hope we get some fingerprint evidence, too!

Thats what I am hoping for also Lavinya...are there any finger prints on the duct tape? We know that C, G and L have been excluded. So that leads me to believe there are some on there since they have said these are not there.
What does anything else think?

[denjet]

You know JB already has seen these documents.
I wonder if this explains why he changed his "she is innocent" to "its up to Casey if she wants to accept a Pea" (or something close to that) he told Geraldo.
Maybe he knows what these documents will contain.
Hi Julie!
I'm sure he DOES know what they contain and why the team was out doing damage control ... yes, he didn't seem too positive did he?

[justsaying]

Jen, to me that read it was a total number of 10K+ docs they had, period, so that would include the doc dumps we've already received -- anybody else think that? or is it over 10K new pages?

I think you are right in that this new doc dump will bring the total to over 10.000 pages. I still see that guy up to his chest in the stack of documents. Did we really look at all that stuff over the last year?

[Sun]

Jen, to me that read it was a total number of 10K+ docs they had, period, so that would include the doc dumps we've already received -- anybody else think that? or is it over 10K new pages?

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20548470/index.html

I suspect that the PIO (public information office?) is now FINALLY releasing odds-n-ends stuff that the State has previously turned over to the defense. For instance, listed to the about video, it talks about the tattoo photos. I think that the video was from the first week of Sept 2009, maybe.

[denjet]

they are not using the "C", they are using the R within a circle.

they are not in the registered database. even if they applied, the law is you should not use the symbol until it is registered.

I think they are using the circle R to denote that their FOUNDATION is registered.....lol

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm

The federal registration symbol may be used once the mark is actually registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Even though an application is pending, the registration symbol may not be used before the mark has actually become registered. The federal registration symbol should only be used on goods or services that are the subject of the federal trademark registration. [Note: Several foreign countries use the letter R enclosed within a circle to indicate that a mark is registered in that country. Use of the symbol by the holder of a foreign registration may be proper.]

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*
Thanks for the sleuthing, Pru!
They are just scam artists ... probably didn't want to pay a lawyer and fees to do this legally ... the Milsteads probably told them they didn't need to ! LOL

[neid_77]

I think you are right in that this new doc dump will bring the total to over 10.000 pages. I still see that guy up to his chest in the stack of documents. Did we really look at all that stuff over the last year?

if this is the case perhaps we will see some of the doc dumps we've never seen i've heard it said there are some dumps from march of this year we never saw nothing of...i wonder why they never released them to the public? it be and interesting day for sure!

[LadyHam]

Jen, to me that read it was a total number of 10K+ docs they had, period, so that would include the doc dumps we've already received -- anybody else think that? or is it over 10K new pages?

I read it the same way that you did. Once the latest documents are released, it will bring the grand total to 10,000+ docs released to date.

[Explorer]

You know JB already has seen these documents.
I wonder if this explains why he changed his "she is innocent" to "its up to Casey if she wants to accept a Pea" (or something close to that) he told Geraldo.
Maybe he knows what these documents will contain.

Yes good point.

[BettyC]

denjet - yippee!

And I'm loving Hal the TV Guy today - Fanning's book sounds enormously entertaining :biggrin:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-mommys-little-girl-compiles-history-of-lies.html#more

From that link :

His last name has been changed to Cuza, the book says, to protect the privacy of Cindy's birth family. Fanning thanks him for sharing his personal experiences, a tipoff that the book won't go easy on the Anthonys.

Whose last name? Ricks? Well if so, the cat is sorta out of the bag isn't it? lol

[cassidy]

The state says Georges's testimony at the grand jury was materially inconsistent. I'm not sure what that means other than he's lying. I not know what 'materially inconsistent' means.


And I don't know how they know that if they haven't seen it yet?

[neid_77]

i guess the defense filed another motion today to back up their claims about having the death penalty first degree murder and aggravated child abuse accounts all thrown out it is here in this article

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-grand-jury-100609,0,07743670.story

says they can't prove Caylee was murdered by the states evidence and Medical Examiner there is something about 2 statements casey made to one IN WHICH SHE LIED!!!!!

[Sun]

i guess the defense filed another motion today to back up their claims about having the death penalty first degree murder and aggravated child abuse accounts all thrown out it is here in this article

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-grand-jury-100609,0,07743670.story

says they can't prove Caylee was murdered by the states evidence and Medical Examiner there is something about 2 statements casey made to one IN WHICH SHE LIED!!!!!

Thanks for finding and posting this link, neid_77! So according to this article, Casey Anthony did sign a document, swearing to two statements:

"I did not report my daughter missing until my mother called on July 15, 2008."

"I did tell law enforcement that I had dropped off my child with a person named Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez when questioned by law enforcement."

[BettyC]

Thanks for finding and posting this link, neid_77! So according to this article, Casey Anthony did sign a document, swearing to two statements:

"I did not report my daughter missing until my mother called on July 15, 2008."

"I did tell law enforcement that I had dropped off my child with a person named Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez when questioned by law enforcement."

she forgot a few:

I did tell law enforcement I worked at Universal.
I did tell law enforcement I reported my phone missing to Security.
I did tell law enforcement I talked with my daughter just today on the phone.
I did tell law enforcement I had been searching for my daughter for 31 days.

and on and on and on.

[Scampi]

Didn't casey handwrite her story too, wasn't that a sworn statement?

[neid_77]

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: will conviction in fraud case Hemorrage the Defense Fund

it's at www.blinkoncrime.com

know if this happens i would be so HAPPY!!!

[BettyC]

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: will conviction in fraud case Hemorrage the Defense Fund

it's at www.blinkoncrime.com

know if this happens i would be so HAPPY!!!

I've never been sure just who this "blink" is. I know it came out that he was one of the people who filed a complaint against Baez (to no avail), but just what or who is he? Anyone know?

[summer]

From that link :

His last name has been changed to Cuza, the book says, to protect the privacy of Cindy's birth family. Fanning thanks him for sharing his personal experiences, a tipoff that the book won't go easy on the Anthonys.

Whose last name? Ricks? Well if so, the cat is sorta out of the bag isn't it? lol

Betty, lol! My reaction too. Maybe she's thinking people outside of FL won't know the family name (scratching head) I can't make heads or tails out of that one! :laugh: :rolleyes:

[summer]

I've never been sure just who this "blink" is. I know it came out that he was one of the people who filed a complaint against Baez (to no avail), but just what or who is he? Anyone know?

He is a *she* that used to comment on WS, that's all I know.

[BettyC]

He is a *she* that used to comment on WS, that's all I know.

hmm ok, ty summer.

I must have glossed right over the name when this report came out.

The committee began to look into the matter after a self-described freelance journalist and author Shannon Stoy filed a complaint in February. She is president of Blink Development Group, LLC, in Pennington, N.J.

http://www.crimeseekers.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=3310

[newsjunkie]

I have 1 question tonight lol (at least for now)

If Casey is convicted on the fraud charges would she stay in OC or go to a prison until her murder trial?

[Scampi]

She'll probably remain in the jail so her attorneys have easier access to her. Doesn't make any difference, no matter where they have her she will be in protective custody imo.

[newsjunkie]

Did I clear the room?:confused:

[Pruddennce]

There are pictures of Casey and Caylee all over the internet not like this company stole the pictures or took the pictures without consent.
I don't think anything posted on the internet is private......
Once you post pics on the internet they are all there for anyone to see.
At least that is my understanding.

......and there are ways to prevent COPYING pics/text from a website....the anthonys have not done that on their foundation page nor their official caylee is missing dot com page.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.......*

[seeing_eye]

And I don't know how they know that if they haven't seen it yet?

Wasn't the state present at the GJ testimony?

[denjet]

Thanks for finding and posting this link, neid_77! So according to this article, Casey Anthony did sign a document, swearing to two statements:

"I did not report my daughter missing until my mother called on July 15, 2008."

"I did tell law enforcement that I had dropped off my child with a person named Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez when questioned by law enforcement."

OK, so what on earth does this mean??? So this is what Baez and KC came up with for undisputed facts?? I don't get it, so because of these two "facts", the state has not built a case against her??

Those are both true statements even if the second one was a lie (which can't be proven) ... the fact that she's saying that's what she told LE, is true, she did tell them that ...

I have a feeling the state is going to have a field day with this ...
Let's face it, if it were this easy to get out of a murder charge, no one would ever go to trial ....