10/5

[Julie Dupree]

Found this video and wanted to leave it for everyone...just in case you missed it.
Discussion around JB's discussion of Casey taking a plea deal with the State is very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgGJ9KnbEYo&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJFoLRDW0g&feature=channel_page

[Sun]

Thank you Julie Dupree! I had just watched Part 1, and was unsuccessfully searching around for Part 2. Geraldo just had to also get into the mix of this latest defense media spin.

Good morning everyone!

[Julie Dupree]

Thank you Julie Dupree! I had just watched Part 1, and was unsuccessfully searching around for Part 2. Geraldo just had to also get into the mix of this latest defense media spin.

Good morning everyone!

Good Morning Sun...:) Good old Geraldo, we know he stays very close to JB.
What did you think of JB's comment about any plea deal having to come from Casey?

[Sun]

Good Morning Sun...:) Good old Geraldo, we know he stays very close to JB.
What did you think of JB's comment about any plea deal having to come from Casey?

Not often do we hear the truth from Baez's lips, so I'm sure that some were quite shocked at his statement. :rolleyes:

[Sun]

Casey passed up the time to bargain for a plea deal. Now that Caylee's remains have been found, what does Casey have to offer up now? Due to the presence of the duct tape, nobody is going to believe her if she would now come out and try to say that Caylee drowned, or that it was an accidental death.

[BrownEyedF]

I like the stuff Geraldo was saying. I can tell he personally likes Jose but the stuff he says about Casey right in front of Jose (wow) is pretty amazing. Love it. I was surprised to hear what he said about the plea deal too. To me, I thought it looked like his first crack in the armor about Casey's culpability in this case, and maybe the defense team's focus has now changed from getting Casey off scott-free, to saving Casey's life now that Lyon is in charge. Their strategy could be to question everything hard in the media right now to put themselves in a better position to negotiate. I don't know.

I hope the SAO doesn't go for any type of plea.

[Sun]

I haven't done the research to see what Casey's prison life would be if she is sentenced to LWOP.


Found this on the Florida Department of Connections, this is what KC has to look forward too if she is sentenced to death. The women on Death Row are housed at Lowell Correctional Institution Annex in Lowell, FL.

Meals: Death Row inmates are served meals three times a day: at 5:00 am, from 10:30 am to 11:00 am and from 4:00 pm to 4:30 pm. Food is prepared by prison staff and transported in insulated carts to the cells. Inmates are allowed plates and spoons to eat their meals.

Showers: The inmates may shower every other day.

Security: Death Row inmates are counted at least once an hour. They are escorted in handcuffs and wear them everywhere except in their cells, the exercise yard and the shower. They are in their cells at all times except for medical reasons, exercise, social or legal visits or media interviews.

Mail, Magazines & Entertainment: Inmates may receive mail every day except holidays and weekends. They may have cigarettes, snacks, radios and 13" televisions in their cells. They do not have cable television or air-conditioning and they are not allowed to be with each other in a common room. They can watch church services on closed circuit television.

Clothing: Death Row inmates can be distinguished from other inmates by their orange t-shirts. Their pants are the same blue colored pants worn by regular inmates.

[desmom]

Morning DTV, this is what I recall from reading the documents. Lynn or Des HELP! can you point us in the direction of which documents talk about the ductape and prints????

In the meantime, I will go to the links thread and start looking, if I find the exact doc I'll post it for you.

Also, Blink on Crime has an excellent article on this topic.

page 55 & 56 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740657/detail.html is the report from the FBI eliminating George, Cindy and Lee's fingerprints from the duct tape.

ETA ~ Interesting post by Answers explaining prints http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13171873#post13171873

Hi everyone - first post here. Been lurking for a while, but wanted to comment on this one.

I did read where it said no latent prints, which raised a flag in my mind.

Latent prints are non visible prints. What they did not say was anything about "impressed prints" or "patent prints." My guess would be there were some patent prints (impression left on the sticky or maybe even in blood or other medium which was visible at examination.

[Sun]

I'm hoping for a doc dump late this week. And, I am still waiting to hear if pre-trial or trial dates have been set for the criminal check/fraud charges. I'm also wondering if a court hearing will shortly be set to hear this motion.

State's Motion to Compel Reciprocal Discovery (9/10/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20838315/detail.html
Response To State's Request On Discovery (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972653/detail.html

[Scampi]

Casey passed up the time to bargain for a plea deal. Now that Caylee's remains have been found, what does Casey have to offer up now? Due to the presence of the duct tape, nobody is going to believe her if she would now come out and try to say that Caylee drowned, or that it was an accidental death.

Morning Sun, I absolutely agree with you on this. Had casey anthony told them where the body was, she could have said Caylee's death was an accident. baez was very foolish in not advising his client to snap up this deal, because now I believe this bad decision will cost casey marie anthony her life.

IMO

[LadyHam]

Either lay ground rules, or go ahead and give Cindy & George matching gavels. I feel a circus is coming to town, with an Ito wanna be as ringmaster. JMO

I agree, I think Strickland has to take control of this situation right now. Perhaps the defense is just testing his limits seeing what they are able to get away with? I think Judge Strickland is being very careful now and doesn't want to make it appear that he is being unfairly biased against the defense. But I do think he has to be careful so it doesn't appear that he is almost bending over backwards for the defense. He has to treat both sides fairly. I so wish he would just go ahead and set the date for the fraud trial. I don't understand what the delay is. It's been awhile since we heard that he ruled the fraud trial can go forward, and yet we still don't have a date for it yet.

Good morning, everyone! :seeya:

[Sun]

Morning Sun, I absolutely agree with you on this. Had casey anthony told them where the body was, she could have said Caylee's death was an accident. baez was very foolish in not advising his client to snap up this deal, because now I believe this bad decision will cost casey marie anthony her life.

IMO

I hope that Casey may have ABSOLUTELY felt a bit of hopelessness, due to the duct tape (especially if she knew her prints might be found on it). With Baez isolating Casey from everyone, I still recall that DCasey and Baez did meet with Casey at the jail on Aug 8, 2008 (note this was just prior to Kronk's first 911 calls, IIRC).

I have a feeling that there was much going on behind the scenes, from the defense. Stuff that still has not come to the public's attention yet.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

[Bala]

I worry about what effect Baez's inexperience and poor judgement with ultimately have on this case. He allowed his ego to take control from the beginning. I see no sign that Lyon's has taken control of the case and reined in the ego's hence the media blitz we were just treated to. Baez has the same mentality as the family when it comes to the media. This case isn't about them it's about Caylee and Casey is the defendant fighting for her life. With a COV motion before the court they decided this is the time to go on a media blitz where's the reasoning in that. What effect will this have on a guilty verdict in appeal.

[Scampi]

Des, have I ever told you that I love you? Why you're the wind beneath my wings......lol. Seriously, thank you so much for the link and all that you do for us on this case.

I do think there is some interesting information that has yet to come out about "fingerprints."

[Pam1569]

Morning Sun, I absolutely agree with you on this. Had casey anthony told them where the body was, she could have said Caylee's death was an accident. baez was very foolish in not advising his client to snap up this deal, because now I believe this bad decision will cost casey marie anthony her life.

IMO

Hi Scampi and Sun,
ITA with both of you. Casey was offered the limited immunity back in September of last year and she should of excepted, but with her she never will except responsibility imo. Also when Lenamon came into the picture and gave the SAO his brief he mentioned and accident theory if I remember correctly. Lenamon came into the picture after her indictment on October 22nd. Right now the SA has now the evidence of all they had before the indictment and now Caylee herself there is no way imo that this immature adult is going to get away with this heinous crime. jmo as always

[Scampi]

I hope that Casey may have ABSOLUTELY felt a bit of hopelessness, due to the duct tape (especially if she knew her prints might be found on it). With Baez isolating Casey from everyone, I still recall that DCasey and Baez did meet with Casey at the jail on Aug 8, 2008 (note this was just prior to Kronk's first 911 calls, IIRC).

I have a feeling that there was much going on behind the scenes, from the defense. Stuff that still has not come to the public's attention yet.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html


From your link Sun:

Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm.

So now we have another name working as an investigator for the defense. I think it is very interesting the timing of this visit and Kronk's first 911 call, especially taking into account Leonard Padilla's theory that someone at the jail overheard a conversation between baez and anthony.

[LadyHam]

Found this video and wanted to leave it for everyone...just in case you missed it.
Discussion around JB's discussion of Casey taking a plea deal with the State is very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgGJ9KnbEYo&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJFoLRDW0g&feature=channel_page

Thanks so much for posting those links, Julie. :seeya:

I think JB made a big boo boo by saying that any plea deal would have to come from Casey. He missed an opportunity by not saying that she wouldn't take a plea deal because she was innocent of this crime. To me, it shows that the defense is very afraid of the evidence of her not reporting Caylee missing and her lies, behavior, and demeanor during the time Caylee was missing and after. If by some miracle Judge Strickland does dismiss those 2 charges against her, I wonder if the defense would seriously considering pleading this case out? I think they are very afraid of this case going to trial. I think they know she will be convicted no matter what the charges against her are.

[Barbara fl.]

I hope that Casey may have ABSOLUTELY felt a bit of hopelessness, due to the duct tape (especially if she knew her prints might be found on it). With Baez isolating Casey from everyone, I still recall that DCasey and Baez did meet with Casey at the jail on Aug 8, 2008 (note this was just prior to Kronk's first 911 calls, IIRC).

I have a feeling that there was much going on behind the scenes, from the defense. Stuff that still has not come to the public's attention yet.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html


Good morning everyone,


I did not know that DCasey had met with Casey at all....This could very well be why the defense was trying to cry "privileged"....I believe the same as you.....I bet they were trying to locate that body before it was discovered....

If the defense would have located Caylee's remains first via DCasey...there is no doubt that 911 would not have been called...the way that DCasey was poking in the in the dirt, shows that he was not concerned about disturbing any evidence that he may find....As for the defense team, they all are so bent on winning this case (for their own publicity) they would do ANYTHING to reach their goal....

This is so messed up, they all knew right where the remains were and they just left poor Caylee out there.....They all should burn for this....

We all know that DCasey was not on the phone with Casey....but there is a strong possibility that he was on the phone with Baez....That would mean that we will never find out who DCasey was on the phone with because that would be priviledged....

They need to break DCasey down a little...maybe he will talk.....

[LadyHam]

Casey passed up the time to bargain for a plea deal. Now that Caylee's remains have been found, what does Casey have to offer up now? Due to the presence of the duct tape, nobody is going to believe her if she would now come out and try to say that Caylee drowned, or that it was an accidental death.

I agree w/you. The time for a plea deal would have been before Caylee's body was found. JB missed a golden opportunity for his client. I think what the defense is doing now in terms of trying to get charges dismissed should have been done from the get go. It's too late for them now. I don't think the state would entertain a plea deal that is anything less than LWOP, whereas before Caylee's body was found they could have gotten what GR said, something along the lines of 15 to 20 years. I was actually a little surprised that at the beginning of the interview GR said something to JB along the lines that we all believe your client is somehow responsible. To me, GR didn't seem as pro JB and the defense as he has in the past.

[Bala]

Hi Scampi and Sun,
ITA with both of you. Casey was offered the limited immunity back in September of last year and she should of excepted, but with her she never will except responsibility imo. Also when Lenamon came into the picture and gave the SAO his brief he mentioned and accident theory if I remember correctly. Lenamon came into the picture after her indictment on October 22nd. Right now the SA has now the evidence of all they had before the indictment and now Caylee herself there is no way imo that this immature adult is going to get away with this heinous crime. jmo as always

I think one of the problems is we have a defendant who has been isolated from everyone including her family relying solely on a lawyer who clearly has his own agenda and no way of knowing what he has told her and what he hasn't. I don't think her parents have any real idea what's going on in Casey's head right now. I wonder if any of these lawyers have sat Casey down and told her with the evidence the State has they need to concentrate on saving her life and a plea might be the best way to go. I'm sure the State would take a LWOP plea and spare her life.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone,


I did not know that DCasey had met with Casey at all....This could very well be why the defense was trying to cry "privileged"....I believe the same as you.....I bet they were trying to locate that body before it was discovered....

If the defense would have located Caylee's remains first via DCasey...there is no doubt that 911 would not have been called...the way that DCasey was poking in the in the dirt, shows that he was not concerned about disturbing any evidence that he may find....As for the defense team, they all are so bent on winning this case (for their own publicity) they would do ANYTHING to reach their goal....

This is so messed up, they all knew right where the remains were and they just left poor Caylee out there.....They all should burn for this....

We all know that DCasey was not on the phone with Casey....but there is a strong possibility that he was on the phone with Baez....That would mean that we will never find out who DCasey was on the phone with because that would be priviledged....

They need to break DCasey down a little...maybe he will talk.....

Or dcasey could have been on the phone with Edward Phlegar, the other investigator working for baez. I think baez is slick enough to put some degree of separation between himself and dcasey looking for Caylee's body.

I agree with everyone, there were some tricky maneuvers going on here.

[LadyHam]

I like the stuff Geraldo was saying. I can tell he personally likes Jose but the stuff he says about Casey right in front of Jose (wow) is pretty amazing. Love it. I was surprised to hear what he said about the plea deal too. To me, I thought it looked like his first crack in the armor about Casey's culpability in this case, and maybe the defense team's focus has now changed from getting Casey off scott-free, to saving Casey's life now that Lyon is in charge. Their strategy could be to question everything hard in the media right now to put themselves in a better position to negotiate. I don't know.

I hope the SAO doesn't go for any type of plea.

I agree w/everything that you said. I couldn't believe some of the things that GR said right to JB's face. Plus, GR got JB to say that a plea deal would have to come from Casey. I think that is HUGE. I personally don't think the state would ever back down, unless they had to. Unless something like the motion to dismiss the 1st degree muder charge and aggravated child abuse charge is granted. If that motion is granted, I think the state would go after her for the other charges and try to get the maximum penalty that is allowed by law. That coupled w/the fraud charges would probably get Casey a significant amount of time in prison. I think the only plea deal that the state would consider is one that would involve taking the DP off the table and giving Casey LWOP. I think the defense lost any and all negotiating power they might have had once Caylee's body was found just down the street from The Anthony family home.

[LadyHam]

Morning Sun, I absolutely agree with you on this. Had casey anthony told them where the body was, she could have said Caylee's death was an accident. baez was very foolish in not advising his client to snap up this deal, because now I believe this bad decision will cost casey marie anthony her life.

IMO

I agree. I think JB made really significant and big mistakes at the beginning of this case. So big, that they can't be corrected now, even w/having someone like AL on the defense team. JB probably did what he did based on what Casey wanted him to do, but if she wasn't willing to follow his advice, he could have removed himself as her attorney. I wonder if his desire to keep this high profile case skewed his judgment so badly that he caused irrepairable harm to her case? AL was probably not too happy w/him once she came on board.

[Barbara fl.]

I haven't done the research to see what Casey's prison life would be if she is sentenced to LWOP.


Found this on the Florida Department of Connections, this is what KC has to look forward too if she is sentenced to death. The women on Death Row are housed at Lowell Correctional Institution Annex in Lowell, FL.

Meals: Death Row inmates are served meals three times a day: at 5:00 am, from 10:30 am to 11:00 am and from 4:00 pm to 4:30 pm. Food is prepared by prison staff and transported in insulated carts to the cells. Inmates are allowed plates and spoons to eat their meals.

Showers: The inmates may shower every other day.

Security: Death Row inmates are counted at least once an hour. They are escorted in handcuffs and wear them everywhere except in their cells, the exercise yard and the shower. They are in their cells at all times except for medical reasons, exercise, social or legal visits or media interviews.

Mail, Magazines & Entertainment: Inmates may receive mail every day except holidays and weekends. They may have cigarettes, snacks, radios and 13" televisions in their cells. They do not have cable television or air-conditioning and they are not allowed to be with each other in a common room. They can watch church services on closed circuit television.

Clothing: Death Row inmates can be distinguished from other inmates by their orange t-shirts. Their pants are the same blue colored pants worn by regular inmates.



Good morning all,

I'd like to send a copy of this to Casey....:laugh:...But along with this, I would like to send a copy of what it would be like in GP if she should get LWOP....neither one would be a pretty picture....

I'm surprised to hear that there is no AC in prison (especially in Florida) those cells can get pretty hot....with no ventilation, WOW.....it would feel like the trunk of a car in there....

As for the defense wanting the charges dropped....."not in their wildest dreams will that happen :lol:)

[Sun]

From your link Sun:

Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm.

So now we have another name working as an investigator for the defense. I think it is very interesting the timing of this visit and Kronk's first 911 call, especially taking into account Leonard Padilla's theory that someone at the jail overheard a conversation between baez and anthony.

It's been a long time ago, but I think that my research on Phlegar was that he was either a clerk or paralegal in Baez's Firm.

LP tends to throw out a lot of theories, just to get folks talking. Too many times what he's thrown out there, has been proven to not be correct. I am more of a mind that DCasey "was told" at some point, and perhaps any leaks may have come directly from him. I say DCasey, because we know that he had access to Casey, not only that one time in the jail, but he later also had access to Casey while he was sometimes driving her back and forth for the 6 hour Baez visits when she was out on bond.

[Spots]

Do we know where Casey spent the night of June 26-June 27?

ETA:
Answering myself, having looked at Desmom's revue of the known facts for 6/26/ and 6/27, we apparently do *not* know where Casey spent the night.

New Theory:
She had no place to sleep that night, so she parked her car at Amscot intending to wait out the night. Because she kept the car running for the radio and the a/c, she ran it out of gas. Simon Burch was surprised that she ran out of gas tucked neatly in a parking space - this would explain the situation.

[LadyHam]

I worry about what effect Baez's inexperience and poor judgement with ultimately have on this case. He allowed his ego to take control from the beginning. I see no sign that Lyon's has taken control of the case and reined in the ego's hence the media blitz we were just treated to. Baez has the same mentality as the family when it comes to the media. This case isn't about them it's about Caylee and Casey is the defendant fighting for her life. With a COV motion before the court they decided this is the time to go on a media blitz where's the reasoning in that. What effect will this have on a guilty verdict in appeal.

I so agree w/your post and everything that you just said. I think w/AL on board we are seeing more the focus on the case being on Casey and Caylee and not on JB's position of being the first hispanic lawyer to have such a high profile case, etc. I do think that significant damage has been done, however, and all the backpeddling in the world is not going to erase it.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I hate I missed the show with jb on it last night but it sounds like he messed up again.Jb will put this trial of as long as he can because he loves being on all the shows and talking about it. I really think he is hurting his case but so be it let him talk it will not count until he is at trial. Or I don;t think it will. I sure hope anyone that will be on that jury is listening to him. He sure can;t change my mind and he is not telling us why she waited 31 days to tell her baby was missing and she would not have told it then Cindy did.jmho:wub:

[desmom]

Do we know where Casey spent the night of June 26-June 27?

I believe she was staying with Tone. jmo

[Sun]

Good morning all,

I'd like to send a copy of this to Casey....:laugh:...But along with this, I would like to send a copy of what it would be like in GP if she should get LWOP....neither one would be a pretty picture....

I'm surprised to hear that there is no AC in prison (especially in Florida) those cells can get pretty hot....with no ventilation, WOW.....it would feel like the trunk of a car in there....

As for the defense wanting the charges dropped....."not in their wildest dreams will that happen :lol:)

Barbara Fl., I too was surprised that prisoners on death row lived with no air conditioning.

I tend to want to think that the isolation of "protective custody" is actually harder on Casey mentally, than if she was put into GP. In watching several prison shows on TV these last few months, long-term isolation appears seems to be thought of as "harsher" on the prisoner, both mentally and physically. Those folks also don't get to participate in the programs that folks in GP may be eligible for.

Given the statements in some of Lyon's recent motions, it's quite possible that Casey is already tired of being chained each and every time she exits her cell. JMO

[Ellie]

BUT... they do have Linda Kenny Baden, who is very experienced (though brash and I think the sound of her voice alone will effect the jury, and not in a positive way (anyone remember how she almost yelled at the jury in PS1?!)....) and they have H Lyon, who is also very experienced. So Casey's got Jose in his fancy suits with only a few years experience with criminal law (and likely nothing along these lines) but he's got the other 2 behind him and like her or not, LKB knows her stuff and if there is ever an appeal, I think she'd know which actions to take (or not take) to ensure one. And if there is an appeal I feel confident that the outcome would be the same. LWOP at least.


I worry about what effect Baez's inexperience and poor judgement with ultimately have on this case. He allowed his ego to take control from the beginning. I see no sign that Lyon's has taken control of the case and reined in the ego's hence the media blitz we were just treated to. Baez has the same mentality as the family when it comes to the media. This case isn't about them it's about Caylee and Casey is the defendant fighting for her life. With a COV motion before the court they decided this is the time to go on a media blitz where's the reasoning in that. What effect will this have on a guilty verdict in appeal.

[Pam1569]

I think one of the problems is we have a defendant who has been isolated from everyone including her family relying solely on a lawyer who clearly has his own agenda and no way of knowing what he has told her and what he hasn't. I don't think her parents have any real idea what's going on in Casey's head right now. I wonder if any of these lawyers have sat Casey down and told her with the evidence the State has they need to concentrate on saving her life and a plea might be the best way to go. I'm sure the State would take a LWOP plea and spare her life.

Good morning Bala, I am sure that Lyon has sat down with Casey and explained the facts in this case and what is up against her. I just don't think that Casey wants to except anything about her doing any wrong and will not take the responsibility. IMO Casey is going to take this to court and go all the way. She has never taken her actions to have any consequences before why would she now. jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Good morning all,

I'd like to send a copy of this to Casey....:laugh:...But along with this, I would like to send a copy of what it would be like in GP if she should get LWOP....neither one would be a pretty picture....

I'm surprised to hear that there is no AC in prison (especially in Florida) those cells can get pretty hot....with no ventilation, WOW.....it would feel like the trunk of a car in there....

As for the defense wanting the charges dropped....."not in their wildest dreams will that happen :lol:)

TBO did a special on death row a couple of weeks ago. In light of the Michael King jury suggesting death.

The ex public defender who was on the on Joseph Smith case commented for the story.

I didn't know there wasn't any A/C till he talked of his clients complaints on the row. He said the temps get to 100 in the summer time because of no A/C. And if you don't grab your food fast enough, the cockroaches will get it, lol.

I'm rather surprised that not having A/C isn't considered cruel punishment in our PC world. However, there are hard working, non-criminal people who cannot afford the power bill associated with A/C, so...

Life with no A/C sitting in a small cell all day would be miserable. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!!

[LadyHam]

Good morning everyone, I hate I missed the show with jb on it last night but it sounds like he messed up again.Jb will put this trial of as long as he can because he loves being on all the shows and talking about it. I really think he is hurting his case but so be it let him talk it will not count until he is at trial. Or I don;t think it will. I sure hope anyone that will be on that jury is listening to him. He sure can;t change my mind and he is not telling us why she waited 31 days to tell her baby was missing and she would not have told it then Cindy did.jmho:wub:

Good morning, Martha! :seeya:

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you. I think all the talking JB is doing about this case is just hurting the case and hurting his client. He made a major mistake by saying that any plea deal would have to go through Casey. He missed a golden opportunity to say that Casey would not take a plea deal because she was innocent of the crime. He put his foot in his mouth and will continue to do so from time to time as long as he is allowed to talk about this case to the media. I wonder how AL feels about the latest media blitz by the defense and most especially about JB's appearance on the GR Show? I find it interesting that AL was not involved in the recent media appearances by the defense team.

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara Fl., I too was surprised that prisoners on death row lived with no air conditioning.

I tend to want to think that the isolation of "protective custody" is actually harder on Casey mentally, than if she was put into GP. In watching several prison shows on TV these last few months, long-term isolation appears seems to be thought of as "harsher" on the prisoner, both mentally and physically. Those folks also don't get to participate in the programs that folks in GP may be eligible for.

Given the statements in some of Lyon's recent motions, it's quite possible that Casey is already tired of being chained each and every time she exits her cell. JMO

Ah, isn't that too bad? What did she think was going to happen when you murder your child?

But, I agree, it is taking a toll on Casey (especially being caged)...If she thought her life was taken from her before (quoted in one of her jail house tapes) wait, she has a long long time to go yet.....I guess the ANTHONY'S will splurge for a 13 inch tv (but with no cable?) what will she watch?

I bet she has some BIG regrets right now.....

[Spots]

I believe she was staying with Tone. jmo

Way to shoot down my theory, Desmom!

Even if she had been at TonE's that night, she could have parked at Amscot because she had no place to go. If she left TonE's pretending to go to work, she still had to waste some time before the mall opened (or whatever she had planned). I've done that - being too early for an appointment, I just sit in the car until the time is right.

[Barbara fl.]

TBO did a special on death row a couple of weeks ago. In light of the Michael King jury suggesting death.

The ex public defender who was on the on Joseph Smith case commented for the story.

I didn't know there wasn't any A/C till he talked of his clients complaints on the row. He said the temps get to 100 in the summer time because of no A/C. And if you don't grab your food fast enough, the cockroaches will get it, lol.

I'm rather surprised that not having A/C isn't considered cruel punishment in our PC world. However, there are hard working, non-criminal people who cannot afford the power bill associated with A/C, so...

Life with no A/C sitting in a small cell all day would be miserable. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!!


I might be able to get by with no ac.....but roaches...I will be telling them anything they want to hear...(if anyone ever wanted to get info out of me all they would have to do is put me in a room with those creatures) thru the screams, I'd be talking....:scared:

[LadyHam]

Good morning Bala, I am sure that Lyon has sat down with Casey and explained the facts in this case and what is up against her. I just don't think that Casey wants to except anything about her doing any wrong and will not take the responsibility. IMO Casey is going to take this to court and go all the way. She has never taken her actions to have any consequences before why would she now. jmo

I don't think Casey would ever admit responsibility or take a plea deal either. If she does, then this case is over right now and she goes to prison. For a long time.

She will continue to take this as far as she can. We already know what lengths she will go to. When she was being interviewed by LE at Universal, she took them all the way down the hallway to her "office" and only admitted that she didn't work there when when she ran out of hallway and had no where else to go. She will do the same w/this trial. She will take it as far as she has to, even if that means all the way to conviction and being sentenced to death. She will then have an automatic appeal.

So my point is that Casey is in this for the long haul, even if ultimately that hurts her more than if she would just admit what really happened and take her punishment. If she continues to pursue this, there is a chance, no matter how small, that she might get out of this on some sort of technicality. She must feel that she has nothing to lose by continuing to pursue this.

[Bala]

I agree. I think JB made really significant and big mistakes at the beginning of this case. So big, that they can't be corrected now, even w/having someone like AL on the defense team. JB probably did what he did based on what Casey wanted him to do, but if she wasn't willing to follow his advice, he could have removed himself as her attorney. I wonder if his desire to keep this high profile case skewed his judgment so badly that he caused irrepairable harm to her case? AL was probably not too happy w/him once she came on board.
The problem for me is we don't see her taking any steps to repair the damage Baez caused. She should have started by having him removed as Casey's attorney instead she's allowing him to go on a media blitz causing even more damage. She is suppose to be in charge. To me the Anthony's announcement to the media that they would start sending Casey's mail through the right channels was a sign that all is not well and that Baez is not playing by the rules. We have no real way of knowing if he's playing it straight with Casey or just telling her what she wants to hear to stay on the case.

[Ellie]

Way to shoot down my theory, Desmom!

Even if she had been at TonE's that night, she could have parked at Amscot because she had no place to go. If she left TonE's pretending to go to work, she still had to waste some time before the mall opened (or whatever she had planned). I've done that - being too early for an appointment, I just sit in the car until the time is right.

So you all remember that night Casey was seen in a parking lot somewhere standing outside of her car, supposedly in a very 'heated' cell phone conversation? I really, really think that night ties in with all of this. Was this the night of the big fight? (Sorry.. my mind is going bit by bit, ha). I think that Casey gave Caylee a hefty (and possibly lethal) dose of chloroform, put tape over her mouth and tossed her in the trunk of her car. I think that's where Caylee died. And a couple days later is when Casey went to the house and got the bags, etc. and bagged her up. (Good lord, can't even think about it....) But I think Casey killed Caylee that night and then drove around for who knows how long with her in the trunk... before dumping her in the woods.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think Casey would ever admit responsibility or take a plea deal either. If she does, then this case is over right now and she goes to prison. For a long time.

She will continue to take this as far as she can. We already know what lengths she will go to. When she was being interviewed by LE at Universal, she took them all the way down the hallway to her "office" and only admitted that she didn't work there when when she ran out of hallway and had no where else to go. She will do the same w/this trial. She will take it as far as she has to, even if that means all the way to conviction and being sentenced to death. She will then have an automatic appeal.

So my point is that Casey is in this for the long haul, even if ultimately that hurts her more than if she would just admit what really happened and take her punishment. If she continues to pursue this, there is a chance, no matter how small, that she might get out of this on some sort of technicality. She must feel that she has nothing to lose by continuing to pursue this.

I agree fully...she will carry it to the hilt.....But in doing so, I hope she knows there will be no truning back (actually she will not be offered a plea deal, so no problem with her turning it down :laugh:)

[desmom]

Way to shoot down my theory, Desmom!

Even if she had been at TonE's that night, she could have parked at Amscot because she had no place to go. If she left TonE's pretending to go to work, she still had to waste some time before the mall opened (or whatever she had planned). I've done that - being too early for an appointment, I just sit in the car until the time is right.

Does this help?

From Tone's interview with LE: page 27 line 7 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

TL: The 26th at night I have, I have class nine to one in the, in the 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

YM: You have class from 9:00 p.m. until 1:00 a.m.?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), I have lab. That, well that month I had 9:00 p…9:00 a.m. classes to 9:00 to, 9:00 p…9:00, yeah (affirmative) 9:00 a.m. classes to 1:00 p.m., and then that same days I would have 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

[Spots]

Does this help?

From Tone's interview with LE: page 27 line 7 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

TL: The 26th at night I have, I have class nine to one in the, in the 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

YM: You have class from 9:00 p.m. until 1:00 a.m.?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), I have lab. That, well that month I had 9:00 p…9:00 a.m. classes to 9:00 to, 9:00 p…9:00, yeah (affirmative) 9:00 a.m. classes to 1:00 p.m., and then that same days I would have 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

9 pm to 1 am? Isn't that just a wee bit late for classes? Could this be a misstatement on TonE's part? And why didn't I go to this school? :D

Whether Casey spent the whole night in Amscot's parking space, or just a part of the next morning, being there wasting time with the car running may very well have run her out of gas. Explains the tidy parking job.

Or not.

[msgatorslayer]

Does this help?

From Tone's interview with LE: page 27 line 7 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

TL: The 26th at night I have, I have class nine to one in the, in the 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

YM: You have class from 9:00 p.m. until 1:00 a.m.?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), I have lab.
That, well that month I had 9:00 p…9:00 a.m. classes to 9:00 to, 9:00 p…9:00, yeah (affirmative) 9:00 a.m. classes to 1:00 p.m., and then that same days I would have 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.


Can it be any more difficult to explain his class schedule? lol

[Pam1569]

Way to shoot down my theory, Desmom!

Even if she had been at TonE's that night, she could have parked at Amscot because she had no place to go. If she left TonE's pretending to go to work, she still had to waste some time before the mall opened (or whatever she had planned). I've done that - being too early for an appointment, I just sit in the car until the time is right.

GM Spots, I just looked at the ping map for the 25th of June and Casey was at the Amscot area around 4 am til 4:30am. And then it shows her at Tony's at 8 something in the morning so you might be right about where she slept for the 25th, but on the 26th she was at Tony's.

Ping map for June 20th thru 26th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94l2oVrOrCc&feature=PlayList&p=65075822623C5AC8&index=21

Ping map for the 27th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fltqfwFl17A

[Barbara fl.]

I think one of the problems is we have a defendant who has been isolated from everyone including her family relying solely on a lawyer who clearly has his own agenda and no way of knowing what he has told her and what he hasn't. I don't think her parents have any real idea what's going on in Casey's head right now. I wonder if any of these lawyers have sat Casey down and told her with the evidence the State has they need to concentrate on saving her life and a plea might be the best way to go. I'm sure the State would take a LWOP plea and spare her life.

I agree with what you say...I think that Baez is isolating casey from her family for that sole purpose of not wanting her to maybe plead guilty...there would go all this for nothing....the only reason Casey was able to draw all these biggy's was in insisting she was innocent....

As for any plea deal...Casey would have nothing to offer the state other then the cost of the trial....so in doing so now, would not gain her anything but LWOP.....at this point I'm sure DP/LWOP look about the same to Casey....

If she had told them from the start that she did this in a fit of rage and hid the body out of fear, she could have gotten manslaughter and maybe gotten off in 7 years or so...but thats all under the bridge now, and a trial will be held....

[Barbara fl.]

9 pm to 1 am? Isn't that just a wee bit late for classes? Could this be a misstatement on TonE's part? And why didn't I go to this school? :D

Whether Casey spent the whole night in Amscot's parking space, or just a part of the next morning, being there wasting time with the car running may very well have run her out of gas. Explains the tidy parking job.

Or not.


But the car had been towed 2 weeks prior to Cindy being notified...Casey had been gone for 31 days, so she must have been driving around with the car for the first 2 weeks.....

But it is odd that the car was perfectly parked when out of gas...

[msgatorslayer]

But the car had been towed 2 weeks prior to Cindy being notified...Casey had been gone for 31 days, so she must have been driving around with the car for the first 2 weeks.....

But it is odd that the car was perfectly parked when out of gas...

Talk of the car reminds me of Casey's statement that 2 men helped her push the car into the lot after it stalled. The invisi-men have never came forward.:wink:

[desmom]

9 pm to 1 am? Isn't that just a wee bit late for classes? Could this be a misstatement on TonE's part? And why didn't I go to this school? :D

Whether Casey spent the whole night in Amscot's parking space, or just a part of the next morning, being there wasting time with the car running may very well have run her out of gas. Explains the tidy parking job.

Or not.

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Full_Sail_University
The school essentially operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with students in class or lab for 4 hours at a time; lectures generally take place between the hours of 9:00AM and 9:00PM, while labs run throughout the day.

[Spots]

GM Spots, I just looked at the ping map for the 25th of June and Casey was at the Amscot area around 4 am til 4:30am. And then it shows her at Tony's at 8 something in the morning so you might be right about where she slept for the 25th, but on the 26th she was at Tony's.

Ping map for June 20th thru 26th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94l2oVrOrCc&feature=PlayList&p=65075822623C5AC8&index=21

Ping map for the 27th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fltqfwFl17A

Good morning, and thank you for looking this up.

She may have used Amscot as a central location for wasting time. Park, text a few friends, put on make-up, etc.

I'm just trying to figure out how she ran out of gas neatly parked. Running the car while waiting is the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment. If TonE kicked her out so he could go to his 9 am class, this is still possible.

[desmom]

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740657/detail.html


page 3781

Q62-64 TAPE

ITEMS FROM RESIDENCE

K10 ELIMINATION OF FINGERPRINTS OF GEORGE A ANTHONY

K-11 ELIMINATION OF FINGERPRINTS OF CYNTHIA M ANTHONY

K-12 ELIMINATION OF FINGERPRINTS OF LEE A ANTHONY



OK...this says items from residence...does this mean they found duct tape at the residence???
Somewhere I thought I read NO duct tape was found at the residence???

They have KC's fingerprints on file why didn't they rule her's out????


Q62-64 Tape is listed under "Items from Medical Examiner's Office".

[Spots]

But the car had been towed 2 weeks prior to Cindy being notified...Casey had been gone for 31 days, so she must have been driving around with the car for the first 2 weeks.....

But it is odd that the car was perfectly parked when out of gas...

The car was at Amscot June 27 to June 30, when it was towed. Yes, she used it before then.

I am only trying to figure out why she ran out of gas in a parking spot and not in the middle of the road as most people (me) would do. Being in a parking place tells me the car was parked before it ran out of gas. Conclusion: the car was still running while in the parking space. Why? I haven't a clue. Just making up possible scenarios in my thick noggin.

[Spots]

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Full_Sail_University
The school essentially operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with students in class or lab for 4 hours at a time; lectures generally take place between the hours of 9:00AM and 9:00PM, while labs run throughout the day.

Thanks, Desmom. I guess 9 pm to 1 am isn't out of the question.

LKL: Weird.

[desmom]

OK...I see what you are saying. The fingerprints from George, Cindy and Lee were taken from the home.

So, that means the Anthony's fingerprints were eliminated from the duct tape.

Same question...they have Casey's fingerprints on file, why not eliminate them?

I think that will come out in a different FBI report.

[LadyHam]

Good morning, and thank you for looking this up.

She may have used Amscot as a central location for wasting time. Park, text a few friends, put on make-up, etc.

I'm just trying to figure out how she ran out of gas neatly parked. Running the car while waiting is the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment. If TonE kicked her out so he could go to his 9 am class, this is still possible.

Very true. She may have been running the car to use the air conditioning too. In the summer it is very uncomfortable in Florida and gets hot sitting in a car, even w/the windows rolled down, w/out the air conditioning on. If she ran the car for the sole purpose of using the air conditioning, then it makes DR w/no air conditioning even more of a fitting punishment for her.

[KatieLady]

The car was at Amscot June 27 to June 30, when it was towed. Yes, she used it before then.

I am only trying to figure out why she ran out of gas in a parking spot and not in the middle of the road as most people (me) would do. Being in a parking place tells me the car was parked before it ran out of gas. Conclusion: the car was still running while in the parking space. Why? I haven't a clue. Just making up possible scenarios in my thick noggin.

But remember Casey told LE (Ibelieve) that 2 guys pushed the car into the lot for her. She ran out of gas in the road....so she said.

[msgatorslayer]

IF the print that is on the duct tape is only partial, say, a quarter of a thumb print, or it isn't clear, there are points or ridgelines missing because of the 'tear' in the tape, would they be able to exclude everyone but Casey, on what they have, but need further testing to check Casey's prints against the partial? Just tossing this out there.

[KatieLady]

IF the print that is on the duct tape is only partial, say, a quarter of a thumb print, or it isn't clear, there are points or ridgelines missing because of the 'tear' in the tape, would they be able to exclude everyone but Casey, on what they have, but need further testing to check Casey's prints against the partial? Just tossing this out there.

On CSI they can do that...not sure in the real world :biggrin:

[Daffodil]

I think one of the problems is we have a defendant who has been isolated from everyone including her family relying solely on a lawyer who clearly has his own agenda and no way of knowing what he has told her and what he hasn't. I don't think her parents have any real idea what's going on in Casey's head right now. I wonder if any of these lawyers have sat Casey down and told her with the evidence the State has they need to concentrate on saving her life and a plea might be the best way to go. I'm sure the State would take a LWOP plea and spare her life.


Just a thought about her parents visiting her. I think if my child were in this situation (and I know there really is no way to really know what it is like to be in their shoes), I think I would go to the jail every single day that visitors are allowed. If my child turned me down every single day, I would still go even if it turned into years. I do understand that the Anthony's lover their daughter. I think most of us can relate to that. If I thought my child had done something so horribly wrong as that, I would still love my child. And I would also know how important it would be to my child to know that I came every day to visit. There is the hope that one day she may change her mind and accept them as visitors. (Sorry but am having a hard time trying to put this into words so I hope you all get my point.)

[Spots]

But remember Casey told LE (Ibelieve) that 2 guys pushed the car into the lot for her. She ran out of gas in the road....so she said.

If you were a Good Samaritan rescuing an out-of-gas car, would you push it off the road?

Or would you push it off the road, into a parking lot, then push it backwards into a parking place?

Casey lies.

[KatieLady]

If you were a Good Samaritan rescuing an out-of-gas car, would you push it off the road?

Or would you push it off the road, into a parking lot, then push it backwards into a parking place?

Casey lies.

No doubt she lies....but I think we determined that the car was not backed into the spot...it was in front first. IIRC

[msgatorslayer]

Just a thought about her parents visiting her. I think if my child were in this situation (and I know there really is no way to really know what it is like to be in their shoes), I think I would go to the jail every single day that visitors are allowed. If my child turned me down every single day, I would still go even if it turned into years. I do understand that the Anthony's lover their daughter. I think most of us can relate to that. If I thought my child had done something so horribly wrong as that, I would still love my child. And I would also know how important it would be to my child to know that I came every day to visit. There is the hope that one day she may change her mind and accept them as visitors. (Sorry but am having a hard time trying to put this into words so I hope you all get my point.)

ITA if it were my child, I'd be there.

Casey, however, is selfish. She doesn't care about what she's doing to her parents. And it's MOO that she is just fine with not seeing them. She can blame it on Baez, and the case against her. And not have to deal with Cindy asking her a zillion questions like we've seen in the jail house tapes that got Casey so pizzed she was slamming her fists in the air.

[msgatorslayer]

On CSI they can do that...not sure in the real world :biggrin:

Okay, like I said, just tossing it out there, lol.

[Spots]

No doubt she lies....but I think we determined that the car was not backed into the spot...it was in front first. IIRC

I stand corrected. I could swear I saw a photo of how the car was parked and it was nose out (to the street). First time I've been wrong in the last 10 minutes! :D

But I still think that's asking a lot of 2 guys.

[KatieLady]

Okay, like I said, just tossing it out there, lol.

They may be able to msgator....I just don't know. I know you do hear about partial prints all the time :shrug:

[KatieLady]

I stand corrected. I could swear I saw a photo of how the car was parked and it was nose out (to the street). First time I've been wrong in the last 10 minutes! :D

But I still think that's asking a lot of 2 guys.

LOL

I have stopped to help push a car before...if she ran out close to the entrance of the lot I guess it makes sense for them to push it there.

Besides "she's hot" remember :rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

The car was at Amscot June 27 to June 30, when it was towed. Yes, she used it before then.

I am only trying to figure out why she ran out of gas in a parking spot and not in the middle of the road as most people (me) would do. Being in a parking place tells me the car was parked before it ran out of gas. Conclusion: the car was still running while in the parking space. Why? I haven't a clue. Just making up possible scenarios in my thick noggin.

Your right, it's not likely that the car ran out of gas in a parking place...unless she was sitting in it with the motor running....and when your low on gas, I doubt she would have been doing that unless it was intentional...

I can't figure out why she would abandon the car in the first place....that left her dependant on others to get her around....and the odor was still going to be detected eventually...

Do you know if LE ever took TonE's computer to see if Casey had been searching anything on it? Just curious....

[Dovey]

IIRC
Nancy Grace once mentioned a video tape from Amscot's but never heard about it since.

[Barbara fl.]

Talk of the car reminds me of Casey's statement that 2 men helped her push the car into the lot after it stalled. The invisi-men have never came forward.:wink:

And I'm sure they would have had they existed....another story of her's.....

[Postergeist]

The car was at Amscot June 27 to June 30, when it was towed. Yes, she used it before then.

I am only trying to figure out why she ran out of gas in a parking spot and not in the middle of the road as most people (me) would do. Being in a parking place tells me the car was parked before it ran out of gas. Conclusion: the car was still running while in the parking space. Why? I haven't a clue. Just making up possible scenarios in my thick noggin.

Mornin' Spots- But didn't Tony pick her up from Amscot and she had groceries with her? IRRC, he said that he thought they had come from her home. I thought it was something cold, like some type of frozen chicken and also otter pops or frozen popsicles, something.

So if she had been camping out in her car, she had one heck of a cooler that would keep all that chilled.

imo

[Barbara fl.]

ITA if it were my child, I'd be there.

Casey, however, is selfish. She doesn't care about what she's doing to her parents. And it's MOO that she is just fine with not seeing them. She can blame it on Baez, and the case against her. And not have to deal with Cindy asking her a zillion questions like we've seen in the jail house tapes that got Casey so pizzed she was slamming her fists in the air.


I agree, she doesn't want to see her parents....

[Spots]

Well, me too, but if two guys would have pushed that car into Amscot into a parking place why not push it to the gas station??? Isn't there a gas station right next door???

I'm not sure about the gas station.

The only thing that makes sense to me is her sitting in it, running the car until it ran out of gas.

Not having a car "makes" TonE responsible for her, in Casey's mind. (Sort of like the ancient Japanese thought about rescuing someone makes the rescuer responsible for the life of the rescuee forever.) How can he dump her when she has no car? I think it didn't bother her a bit to have to rely on TonE.

Or, I could be all wet.

[Pam1569]

No doubt she lies....but I think we determined that the car was not backed into the spot...it was in front first. IIRC

GM Katie, Can't remember which doc dump it was but it stated that her car was backed into the space infront of Amscot and IIRC Cindy has even stated that it wouldn't be smart for Casey to leave it there where she would pass every day, because her car has the mask on front of the car. Or something like that. Going to go and try and find the doc.

[Spots]

Mornin' Spots- But didn't Tony pick her up from Amscot and she had groceries with her? IRRC, he said that he thought they had come from her home. I thought it was something cold, like some type of frozen chicken and also otter pops or frozen popsicles, something.

So if she had been camping out in her car, she had one heck of a cooler that would keep all that chilled.

imo

We've established she was at TonE's the previous night, so she couldn't have been at Amscot too long under any circumstances. I remember something about LE looking into who might have picked her up, taken her home, and brought her back. Was that from Lenny, maybe?

I know that under the best conditions, it takes me almost 1/2 an hour to get home from the grocery, and everything stays frozen - even DH's ice cream.

[Barbara fl.]

Mornin' Spots- But didn't Tony pick her up from Amscot and she had groceries with her? IRRC, he said that he thought they had come from her home. I thought it was something cold, like some type of frozen chicken and also otter pops or frozen popsicles, something.

So if she had been camping out in her car, she had one heck of a cooler that would keep all that chilled.

imo

I thought that was another day that he was talking about...but I could be wrong....

If it was that day, then she could not have been camping out in her car because everything would have defrosted and melted....

There is a possibility that the car was not out of gas, just very low and from sitting for 2 weeks it wouldn't start.....George may have assmed it was out of gas......

I just wish that we would hear one bit of truth with this case, it would help us a great deal in trying to figure this thing out....:smile:.

[msgatorslayer]

On CSI they can do that...not sure in the real world :biggrin:

:laugh:

The Reality of Fingerprinting Not Like TV Crime Labs

'The database represents full sets of fingerprints. Criminals usually only leave partial prints, but the system can handle a partial print as long as it is big enough to include five separate distinguishing points, he noted.

However, even if the prints are in the system, they cannot always be matched to the evidence print, since the part of the fingerprint on file that would match the evidence print might be blurred or smeared, he added.'

http://www.livescience.com/technology/080225-real-fingerprinting.html

[Sun]

Well, me too, but if two guys would have pushed that car into Amscot into a parking place why not push it to the gas station??? Isn't there a gas station right next door???

I recall seeing a gas station sign (in one of the youtube videos where someone was driving around showing us the area around the Amscot). The gas station was on the same side of the street, maybe not right next door, but probably on the same block.

[Spots]

I thought that was another day that he was talking about...but I could be wrong....

If it was that day, then she could not have been camping out in her car because everything would have defrosted and melted....

There is a possibility that the car was not out of gas, just very low and from sitting for 2 weeks it wouldn't start.....George may have assmed it was out of gas......

I just wish that we would hear one bit of truth with this case, it would help us a great deal in trying to figure this thing out....:smile:.

Yes, wouldn't that be loverly?

BBL

[msgatorslayer]

We've established she was at TonE's the previous night, so she couldn't have been at Amscot too long under any circumstances. I remember something about LE looking into who might have picked her up, taken her home, and brought her back. Was that from Lenny, maybe?

I know that under the best conditions, it takes me almost 1/2 an hour to get home from the grocery, and everything stays frozen - even DH's ice cream.

Didn't the manager lady at Amscot say the car was there when she arrived at 7am? And on that same day, TonE picked her up around 11am, where she stood with bags of groceries in her hands?

[Pam1569]

No doubt she lies....but I think we determined that the car was not backed into the spot...it was in front first. IIRC

Hi Katie you are correct and I am wrong it was nosed in sorry about that found it in Ridgeway's Statement.

line 5 page 767(3)
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564704.pdf

[Postergeist]

We've established she was at TonE's the previous night, so she couldn't have been at Amscot too long under any circumstances. I remember something about LE looking into who might have picked her up, taken her home, and brought her back. Was that from Lenny, maybe?

I know that under the best conditions, it takes me almost 1/2 an hour to get home from the grocery, and everything stays frozen - even DH's ice cream.

I don't recall anything LP may have said about that day off-hand. This was in June in Florida, I don't recall that Tony said he helped her take any coolers from her car, and IRRC he said she was standing outside of her car when he got there.

I don't recall any statements made by the tow lot employees or the Anthonys saying there was a cooler in the car.

I live in AL, and I am unable to bring home ice cream that hasn't gone a bit soft due to the heat and humidity here and that is within less than a 1/2 drive

[msgatorslayer]

I recall seeing a gas station sign (in one of the youtube videos where someone was driving around showing us the area around the Amscot). The gas station was on the same side of the street, maybe not right next door, but probably on the same block.

She probably didn't have any money for gas, even if the station was right there. Also, if she was running out of gas, and pulled into a gas station, men seeing a pretty young gal with car problems would have greeted her to see if they could help. They'd get close to the car which stunk.

[KatieLady]

Hi Katie you are correct and I am wrong it was nosed in sorry about that found it in Ridgeway's Statement.

line 5 page 767(3)
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564704.pdf

Thanks Pam...you are a sweetheart! I am glad my old brain at least retained something about this case LOL

At the begining of this case we all thought that she had backed it in and disposed of Caylee in the dumpster behind her. Wasn't until later we found out we were wrong about the position of the car IIRC

[Postergeist]

I thought that was another day that he was talking about...but I could be wrong....

If it was that day, then she could not have been camping out in her car because everything would have defrosted and melted....

There is a possibility that the car was not out of gas, just very low and from sitting for 2 weeks it wouldn't start.....George may have assmed it was out of gas......

I just wish that we would hear one bit of truth with this case, it would help us a great deal in trying to figure this thing out....:smile:.

Hi Barbara, I don't recall that Tony said he has had to pick up Casey at the Amscot on other occasions.

I do agree, that a car, even with a full tank may be hard to start, the battery could be low or very drained when it has sat for long periods of time and not started, moisture can collect in the tank, etc.
imo

[msgatorslayer]

If she did not have the two guys push her to the gas station...something is wrong here...Either there never was two guys and she parked the car there herself and ran out of gas for a reason...low on gas had the a/c on...parked it next to the dumpster in case anyone smelled the car, they would think it was coming from the dumpster.

I don't know two guys who would push a car for a women out of gas and then push her somewhere without helping her get gas or push her to a station...am I all wet here???

I think her biggest problem was preventing people from smelling the car. There is the incident with George catching her at home. When he got close to the car, she opened the trunk and tossed him his gas can. She also had groceries in her hands when TonE showed up so she could get into his car fast without him offering to help her and getting close to the stink-mobile.

[KatieLady]

If she did not have the two guys push her to the gas station...something is wrong here...Either there never was two guys and she parked the car there herself and ran out of gas for a reason...low on gas had the a/c on...parked it next to the dumpster in case anyone smelled the car, they would think it was coming from the dumpster.

I don't know two guys who would push a car for a women out of gas and then push her somewhere without helping her get gas or push her to a station...am I all wet here???

If they exsist....which I don't think they do....she could have told them not to bother that she had a gas can and would take care of it herself.

But I think you are right...she parked it next to the dunpster for a reason. IMO

[Pam1569]

I think her biggest problem was preventing people from smelling the car. There is the incident with George catching her at home. When he got close to the car, she opened the trunk and tossed him his gas can. She also had groceries in her hands when TonE showed up so she could get into his car fast without him offering to help her and getting close to the stink-mobile.

GM msgator, Also when Tony picked her up and went to her house the week before and got the gas cans and they went back to her car to put the gas in she wouldn't let Tony put the gas in and she did it to make him stay away from the trunk are also.

[msgatorslayer]

GM msgator, Also when Tony picked her up and went to her house the week before and got the gas cans and they went back to her car to put the gas in she wouldn't let Tony put the gas in and she did it to make him stay away from the trunk are also.

Right, Pam! She had many close calls.

Here she is, driving around, with a stinky car, no home of her own, no place to hide the car. No money! She may have known the car was about to run outta gas. That it was on E. It could have been a panic move of hers to pull into Amscot. If she just stalled out a red light or in the middle of the street, a good samaritan, or even worse, LE could have pulled up to help.

I think she was naive to not realize that she should have at least spoke with someone at Amscot. Just about every business has a tow policy. But as long as you talk to someone instead of them thinking you just abandoned the car, they usually don't care.

[msgatorslayer]

What confuses me is when George and Cindy picked that car up it smelled so bad if you got within 3 feet of it...I'm just surprised that George did not smell anything that day of the gas can incident or TonE didn't smell anything the day he helped her put gas in her car...I remember he said he put one in and she put one in and he was standing right near the trunk...did the smell really intensify that much after these incidents???

Should ask what were the dates of these incidents??? compared to when George and Cindy picked the car up from tow yard???

The Anthony's got ahold of it after it sat with windows rolled up for 2 weeks.

IMO, prior to the car being dumped, Casey may have been the only one to smell things. It could have been a very faint smell. And Casey's guilty mind made her worry that others could also smell it when they really couldn't. Just a thought.

[MomofaMarine]

Sorry if this has already been posted.


Did someone else kill Caylee? 8:05
Casey Anthony's defense team is claiming that someone else killed Caylee and want murder charges against her dropped.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/02/ng.tot.mom.defense.cnn

[Barbara fl.]

Didn't the manager lady at Amscot say the car was there when she arrived at 7am? And on that same day, TonE picked her up around 11am, where she stood with bags of groceries in her hands?


Ah, now we are getting somewhere...If the car was there at 7am and TonE didn't pick her up til 11am with bags of groceries in her hand.....
........

I forgot what I was going to say....:confused:

[Bala]

I agree, she doesn't want to see her parents....
But why? Casey comes off as this selfish spoiled child, use to getting her own way with her parents and being the center of attention. Why who she suddenly be happy being stuck alone in jail with no contact from her family? No one to assure her it would be all right and that they are there for her and on her side. To me it makes no sense that she would not let them visit especial after they found Caylee so she could blame Zanny and get comfort from her family. We all know that Cindy would blame her not on video anyway. I think Baez purposely isolated Casey from her family knowing they weren't happy with his representation of her and wanting to replace him. I think he was desperate to keep control of the case and was willing to do what ever he had to to say in control. I'm am truly worried that any conviction the State gets in this case will be compromised by Baez's action. Just look at what we know about his action. Imagine what hasn't come out yet and what he is probably affair will come out if Cindy gets assess to Casey.

[Barbara fl.]

Sorry if this has already been posted.


Did someone else kill Caylee? 8:05
Casey Anthony's defense team is claiming that someone else killed Caylee and want murder charges against her dropped.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/02/ng.tot.mom.defense.cnn


And just how do they expect to prove that? :laugh:

[luvmyboys]

Ah, now we are getting somewhere...If the car was there at 7am and TonE didn't pick her up til 11am with bags of groceries in her hand.....
........

I forgot what I was going to say....:confused:

LMAO!!!! :sneaky:

[KatieLady]

And just how do they expect to prove that? :laugh:

Smoke and mirrors? :laugh:

[desmom]

So, I gather you don't think Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape?

Sorry for the delay getting back to you...

I will be surprised if there any identifiable prints on the duct tape after it had been left to the elements for almost 6 months.

jmo

[Pam1569]

What confuses me is when George and Cindy picked that car up it smelled so bad if you got within 3 feet of it...I'm just surprised that George did not smell anything that day of the gas can incident or TonE didn't smell anything the day he helped her put gas in her car...I remember he said he put one in and she put one in and he was standing right near the trunk...did the smell really intensify that much after these incidents???

Should ask what were the dates of these incidents??? compared to when George and Cindy picked the car up from tow yard???

Armadillo, IIRC it was the 23rd of June that Tony helped her get the gas from her parents house, but he did not help her pour one in she wouldn't allow him to do it. Also George and Cindy picked the car up from Johnson's on July 15th and Cindy texted Casey on July 15th at 4:47pm major prob call me.

[Barbara fl.]

But why? Casey comes off as this selfish spoiled child, use to getting her own way with her parents and being the center of attention. Why who she suddenly be happy being stuck alone in jail with no contact from her family? No one to assure her it would be all right and that they are there for her and on her side. To me it makes no sense that she would not let them visit especial after they found Caylee so she could blame Zanny and get comfort from her family. We all know that Cindy would blame her not on video anyway. I think Baez purposely isolated Casey from her family knowing they weren't happy with his representation of her and wanting to replace him. I think he was desperate to keep control of the case and was willing to do what ever he had to to say in control. I'm am truly worried that any conviction the State gets in this case will be compromised by Baez's action. Just look at what we know about his action. Imagine what hasn't come out yet and what he is probably affair will come out if Cindy gets assess to Casey.


I agree with both...I do believe that Baez doesn;t want her parents visiting with Casey because the defense is fearful that something would come out that and be used against Casey (and let's face it, they don't need anything more against their client).....But I also feel that Casey does not want to face her parents...Casey knows that her parents know that she murdered Caylee.....

As for Casey thinking that she needs her families support right now, I doubt that she thinks that she will receive the support that she wants...jmo

[msgatorslayer]

This was what LP was talking about that someone picked her up, then returned her to the car...Did the Amscot lady not see her leave and then come back???

TonE said it looked like she had groceries from home...and she had frozen Popsicle...they would have been melted from 7am to 11 am???

I think the lady just happened to notice that her work parking lot, which was normally empty at 7am, had a car parked in it. She went about her work day and didn't pay attention.

Yes, TonE did mention popsicles. He also said it appeared the groceries came from home, and not a grocery store.

How far is the Anthony home from the Amscot?

Casey could have left the Amscot for a number of hours. Did other things. Including going to her parents house to raid their fridge. And then coming back to Amscot so TonE could pick her up.

[neid_77]

If she did not have the two guys push her to the gas station...something is wrong here...Either there never was two guys and she parked the car there herself and ran out of gas for a reason...low on gas had the a/c on...parked it next to the dumpster in case anyone smelled the car, they would think it was coming from the dumpster.

I don't know two guys who would push a car for a women out of gas and then push her somewhere without helping her get gas or push her to a station...am I all wet here???

i personally think she lied there was a gas station just a few inches down the road why didn't she have them push her car there...if there was nothing to hide? I really don't believe there was 2 guys why wouldn't they have come forward to clear their names i do believe it's just another whopper to her collection

[Sun]

Sorry if this has already been posted.


Did someone else kill Caylee? 8:05
Casey Anthony's defense team is claiming that someone else killed Caylee and want murder charges against her dropped.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/02/ng.tot.mom.defense.cnn

The defense has filed a motion, however don't appear to provide anything of substance in their motion to back up the claim that SODDIT. Instead, the defense is trying to take this to the media, in hopes of putting doubt in the public's eyes.

If the defense had PROOF that Casey was innocent, then why do they hold this PROOF back and let her sit in jail? IMO, they are bluffing, and by the time this goes to trial, the defense will have destroyed their own credibility.

[Pam1569]

Hey all just found this youtube video of the Amscot done this year and he even covers where the security cameras are.

Just click on watch video and not the first link

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AlSkR7rOx0MLrRtJj02FhaemN3wV?p=casey+a nthony+amscot&fr=att-portal&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

[msgatorslayer]

My thought's exactly...but why was she there at 7am...then leave...go home...get groceries...run out of gas in the parking lot...call TonE...to get picked up...if she went to Amscot and then left again and came back to Amscot, why not just drive to TonE's???

I know peeps are going to say because the car stank...but I still want to know why she was there at 7 am???

Was she going to try and cash another check???

We really don't know what time she was there at, Arm. Her CAR was there at 7am. I don't recall the Amscot manager saying she saw Casey with it.

[Spots]

She probably didn't have any money for gas, even if the station was right there. Also, if she was running out of gas, and pulled into a gas station, men seeing a pretty young gal with car problems would have greeted her to see if they could help. They'd get close to the car which stunk.

Well, Msgator, Vwah La! Of course! Can't have two hunky guys pushing a smelly car, now, could we?

[Spots]

If she did not have the two guys push her to the gas station...something is wrong here...Either there never was two guys and she parked the car there herself and ran out of gas for a reason...low on gas had the a/c on...parked it next to the dumpster in case anyone smelled the car, they would think it was coming from the dumpster.

I don't know two guys who would push a car for a women out of gas and then push her somewhere without helping her get gas or push her to a station...am I all wet here???

Her story of 2 guys was suspicious from the start. And as Msgator pointed out, if your car smelled like a damn dead body, would you ask two strangers to push it?

I think we can rule out the 2 strangers story.

[ish]

I thought that was another day that he was talking about...but I could be wrong....

If it was that day, then she could not have been camping out in her car because everything would have defrosted and melted....

There is a possibility that the car was not out of gas, just very low and from sitting for 2 weeks it wouldn't start.....George may have assmed it was out of gas......

I just wish that we would hear one bit of truth with this case, it would help us a great deal in trying to figure this thing out....:smile:.

The tow guy said the gauge was on E, but he didn't mention if they tried starting it, just that they put gas in it. It's possible the gauge was on E but it still had some gas. I know my car will ride on the E and even below for a bit. I think that is one of the questions we'll never know the answer to.

[msgatorslayer]

She said she left a note???...LOL

Didn't she tell that to her parents? Or, so they said?

1 - Casey just told her Mom that after Cindy went postal on her. Leaving a note or talking to someone never even crossed Casey's mind.

2 - Since Cindy was bickering so much about the tow fees she was trying to place blame on Amscot. "My Daughter left a note, it should have never been towed".

[Pam1569]

As I remember LE said none of the video camera's showed Casey or her car or were taped over???

Armadillo, I also think that LE stated nothing from Amscot cameras. I was just stating that the youtube video stated where the cameras were at Amscot. But LE might have the car on video from one of the security cameras from the places that are across the street from Amscot. This has never come out of them as of yet. The video from Sawgrass that LE stated she was not on the 16th of June has never been released either to my knowledge. jmo

[Scampi]

The defense has filed a motion, however don't appear to provide anything of substance in their motion to back up the claim that SODDIT. Instead, the defense is trying to take this to the media, in hopes of putting doubt in the public's eyes.

If the defense had PROOF that Casey was innocent, then why do they hold this PROOF back and let her sit in jail? IMO, they are bluffing, and by the time this goes to trial, the defense will have destroyed their own credibility.

You are so right Sun, if they truly had proof that casey anthony was innocent, they would run to the State's Attorney and provide that proof. They would also respond to the State's motion for them to provide all the "exculpable" evidence todd macaluso was whining about during one of the last hearings. They haven't done that yet either.

IMO, they will pay dearly for treating the public like they are stupid.

[Scampi]

We really don't know what time she was there at, Arm. Her CAR was there at 7am. I don't recall the Amscot manager saying she saw Casey with it.

Yep, I think the manager's name was Mrs. Sanchez and she is positive the car was there at 7am. But, don't we have cell pings that have casey on the move all that morning? Trips to JCP, the anthony home and other places all before the time Lazzaro picked her up? What car was she in?

[desmom]

Mornin' Spots- But didn't Tony pick her up from Amscot and she had groceries with her? IRRC, he said that he thought they had come from her home. I thought it was something cold, like some type of frozen chicken and also otter pops or frozen popsicles, something.

So if she had been camping out in her car, she had one heck of a cooler that would keep all that chilled.

imo

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Tone: Uh, they weren't actually groceries from the store. It was from her house. She had some freezer pops and like some Tyson chicken, or something to make for dinner that night.

LE: From Grandma's house?

Tone: Yeah (affirmative). Because it wasn't in any bags. Uh, it just looked liked normal plastic bags.

[Lapis]

The car was at Amscot June 27 to June 30, when it was towed. Yes, she used it before then.

I am only trying to figure out why she ran out of gas in a parking spot and not in the middle of the road as most people (me) would do. Being in a parking place tells me the car was parked before it ran out of gas. Conclusion: the car was still running while in the parking space. Why? I haven't a clue. Just making up possible scenarios in my thick noggin.

One of the times I ran out of gas it was in a co-worker's driveway. I drove to his house to pick up a file and after visiting for a while, went to start the car and it wouldn't start. It was at this point I realized I was out of gas. I guess I really did drive to his house on fumes. JMO

[Ellie]

I think her biggest problem was preventing people from smelling the car. There is the incident with George catching her at home. When he got close to the car, she opened the trunk and tossed him his gas can. She also had groceries in her hands when TonE showed up so she could get into his car fast without him offering to help her and getting close to the stink-mobile.

Probably already addressed but TonE did offer to help her... several times from what he said, and she just said "no, no, my dad will take care of it". She didn't allow him the opportunity to get near the car.

[msgatorslayer]

Yep, I think the manager's name was Mrs. Sanchez and she is positive the car was there at 7am. But, don't we have cell pings that have casey on the move all that morning? Trips to JCP, the anthony home and other places all before the time Lazzaro picked her up? What car was she in?

Is it possible that she walked to all of these places? I haven't kept up with Google Earth on this case to see distances.

[Bala]

Didn't she tell that to her parents? Or, so they said?

1 - Casey just told her Mom that after Cindy went postal on her. Leaving a note or talking to someone never even crossed Casey's mind.

2 - Since Cindy was bickering so much about the tow fees she was trying to place blame on Amscot. "My Daughter left a note, it should have never been towed".
Whether she left a note or not the Amscot is a business not a public parking lot and they have ever right to tow a car that has been parked there for days. Just more of Cindy blaming everyone but Casey.

[BlueTurtle]

I think one of the problems is we have a defendant who has been isolated from everyone including her family relying solely on a lawyer who clearly has his own agenda and no way of knowing what he has told her and what he hasn't. I don't think her parents have any real idea what's going on in Casey's head right now. I wonder if any of these lawyers have sat Casey down and told her with the evidence the State has they need to concentrate on saving her life and a plea might be the best way to go. I'm sure the State would take a LWOP plea and spare her life.

I think providing her with the possibility of getting out after a good number of years with the stipulation that she come totally clean about the murder as well as admitting to the check fraud charges might be enough for her to grab onto, but she would have to make sure to exonerate all the individuals implicated by her family's actions. It might have been an accident caused by her grabbing Caylee roughly in her anger at her mother. I could see Casey panicking if she accidently injured Caylee and in that panick, killed Caylee to cover it up because of her fear of Cindy.

[msgatorslayer]

Whether she left a note or not the Amscot is a business not a public parking lot and they have ever right to tow a car that has been parked there for days. Just more of Cindy blaming everyone but Casey.

ITA they had the right to have the car towed from their property.

[desmom]

Didn't the manager lady at Amscot say the car was there when she arrived at 7am? And on that same day, TonE picked her up around 11am, where she stood with bags of groceries in her hands?

page 205 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Mrs. Sanchez is the branch manager of 7051 East Colonial Drive (Amscot Financial). On June 27, 2008 at approximately 0700 hours, Mrs. Sanchez arrived at 7051 East Colonial Drive for her shift. Mrs. Sanchez observed a white Pontiac parked next to the business' dumpster, but took no action.

[Ellie]

Whether she left a note or not the Amscot is a business not a public parking lot and they have ever right to tow a car that has been parked there for days. Just more of Cindy blaming everyone but Casey.


Ha, she also left her purse on the front seat and the doors unlocked.... should never have been towed in favor of should probably have been stolen, maybe? :wink:

[LadyHam]

]I think providing her with the possibility of getting out after a good number of years with the stipulation that she come totally clean about the murder as well as admitting to the check fraud charges might be enough for her to grab onto[/B], but she would have to make sure to exonerate all the individuals implicated by her family's actions. It might have been an accident caused by her grabbing Caylee roughly in her anger at her mother. I could see Casey panicking if she accidently injured Caylee and in that panick, killed Caylee to cover it up because of her fear of Cindy.

Bolding by me.....

I think if push comes to shove before this case goes to trial, it will be interesting to see if Casey does plead guilty in order to have the possibility to someday get out of jail. I think when faced w/the DP or even LWOP, the possibility of someday maybe being free again may look pretty good compared to the alternatives. I think in order for Casey to do this, she would have to be pretty sure that her getting off scott free is not an option any longer. Perhaps her attorneys can convince her that coming clean before the trial is in her best interest?

[desmom]

The tow guy said the gauge was on E, but he didn't mention if they tried starting it, just that they put gas in it. It's possible the gauge was on E but it still had some gas. I know my car will ride on the E and even below for a bit. I think that is one of the questions we'll never know the answer to.

page 9 line 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf

SB: And then, and anyway, I went back to the car with him and the car wouldn’t start. And I looked, he was sitting in the car and I looked in the car and the gas gauge was on empty. I said, “Oh, it’s out of gas.” And he said, “Okay.” He said, “Well I brought gas with me.” Okay. That’s kind of unusual.

[KatieLady]

Ha, she also left her purse on the front seat and the doors unlocked.... should never have been towed in favor of should probably have been stolen, maybe? :wink:

This is what always made me wonder if she didn't plan on disappearing to Calif. But then TonE came along and she set her sights on him instead????

[Tia]

Bolding by me.....

I think if push comes to shove before this case goes to trial, it will be interesting to see if Casey does plead guilty in order to have the possibility to someday get out of jail. I think when faced w/the DP or even LWOP, the possibility of someday maybe being free again may look pretty good compared to the alternatives. I think in order for Casey to do this, she would have to be pretty sure that her getting off scott free is not an option any longer. Perhaps her attorneys can convince her that coming clean before the trial is in her best interest?

I think she will file appeals the rest of her life before she'd admit she did anything wrong. I just don't think she is capable of taking any sort of responsibility.

[Spots]

One of the times I ran out of gas it was in a co-worker's driveway. I drove to his house to pick up a file and after visiting for a while, went to start the car and it wouldn't start. It was at this point I realized I was out of gas. I guess I really did drive to his house on fumes. JMO

Blows my theory, Lapis!

I only do it during rush hour on a busy road. LOL

[Ellie]

This is what always made me wonder if she didn't plan on disappearing to Calif. But then TonE came along and she set her sights on him instead????

I can see her going to CA but not disappearing... I think Casey is way, way too dependent for that. I can see her saying she's going to visit and leaving Caylee with her parents and not coming back for her... but I just don't see her having the strength or the courage to run away and change her identity or anything like that.

Also, I have always been under the impression that Tone would not have changed his life or its direction for Casey. And I have a feeling he was pretty clear about that with Casey. Don't know why, it's just my impression.

[desmom]

Ha, she also left her purse on the front seat and the doors unlocked.... should never have been towed in favor of should probably have been stolen, maybe? :wink:

Gary Ridgeway, tow truck operator, said the doors were locked. page 3, line 8 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/10%20Gary%20Ridgeway%20Transcript.pdf

[KatieLady]

I can see her going to CA but not disappearing... I think Casey is way, way too dependent for that. I can see her saying she's going to visit and leaving Caylee with her parents and not coming back for her... but I just don't see her having the strength or the courage to run away and change her identity or anything like that.

Also, I have always been under the impression that Tone would not have changed his life or its direction for Casey. And I have a feeling he was pretty clear about that with Casey. Don't know why, it's just my impression.

I think (maybe) her plan was to go to CA and marry that Marine guy. She could have told him that her parents took Caylee away from her and she wanted nothing to do with them. Remember her phone or text to him? She had something important to tell him or something like that? Not saying it was the best plan but she is not the smartest bulb lol

I agree, I think Tony was clear to her but I have no doubt that Casey thought she could win any man over IMO

[need2no]

Gary Ridgeway, tow truck operator, said the doors were locked. page 3, line 8 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/10%20Gary%20Ridgeway%20Transcript.pdf

and this-

Simon Burch:
he (George) put the key in and opened the driver’s side door

pg. 6

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608simonburch/1/lg/Simon_Burch_Page_10.htm

Where did the rumor start the car was unlocked? Is this something we heard from Cindy or George?

[Postergeist]

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Tone: Uh, they weren't actually groceries from the store. It was from her house. She had some freezer pops and like some Tyson chicken, or something to make for dinner that night.

LE: From Grandma's house?

Tone: Yeah (affirmative). Because it wasn't in any bags. Uh, it just looked liked normal plastic bags.

TY desmom- I'm issuing you a gold star today for giving the link again, and also a gold star to my memory! :thumbsup: got the chicken and the freezer pops/otter pops correct.

[Scampi]

Is it possible that she walked to all of these places? I haven't kept up with Google Earth on this case to see distances.

I'm not sure of the distance either, three miles is ringing a bell for some reason, three miles from Lazarro's. I can't see casey anthony walking tho, can you? Hitching maybe.

[summer]

I think providing her with the possibility of getting out after a good number of years with the stipulation that she come totally clean about the murder as well as admitting to the check fraud charges might be enough for her to grab onto, but she would have to make sure to exonerate all the individuals implicated by her family's actions. It might have been an accident caused by her grabbing Caylee roughly in her anger at her mother. I could see Casey panicking if she accidently injured Caylee and in that panick, killed Caylee to cover it up because of her fear of Cindy.

Good thinking, except for that pesky duct tape thingie. What could she say? I wrapped duct tape around her nose and mouth but gee how could I know you die when you can't breathe?

Or I guess she could say she did it post-mortem to make it look like a kidnapping/murder but that's a stretch and a half.

[KatieLady]

Good thinking, except for that pesky duct tape thingie. What could she say? I wrapped duct tape around her nose and mouth but gee how could I know you die when you can't breathe?

Or I guess she could say she did it post-mortem to make it look like a kidnapping/murder but that's a stretch and a half.

BBM
Can the ME tell if it was put on post-mortem I wonder?

[summer]

I think she will file appeals the rest of her life before she'd admit she did anything wrong. I just don't think she is capable of taking any sort of responsibility.

She may, but IMO she won't have any high-priced attorneys doing those appeals. I doubt the Innocence Project or any other civil rights attorney will take up the cause either.

[msgatorslayer]

I'm not sure of the distance either, three miles is ringing a bell for some reason, three miles from Lazarro's. I can't see casey anthony walking tho, can you? Hitching maybe.

I just checked. JC Penny's is only about 3 miles away from the Amscot. Not to terribly far to walk. However, the Anthony home is approx. 7.7 miles from the Amscot, in the opposite direction of the mall. No, I can't see Casey walking that far.

[summer]

BBM
Can the ME tell if it was put on post-mortem I wonder?

I think that's something we don't know yet. If they can prove it that hasn't been revealed. Although Dr. Perper who I do respect said categorically on NG his strong opinion is it was pre-mortem. Dunno.

[KatieLady]

She may, but IMO she won't have any high-priced attorneys doing those appeals. I doubt the Innocence Project or any other civil rights attorney will take up the cause either.

Wonder if Lyon's would do it? Being the advocate and all :rolleyes:

[Sun]

10/5/2009 A MOTION TO STRIKE DEFENDANT'S LEGALLY FLAWED MOTION TO DISMISS COUNTS I AND II OF THE INDICTMENT AGAINST CASEY MARIE ANTHONY

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records. And, here is a link to the Defense's motion. It looks like the State has filed their response (I don't have a link to this new response yet).

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment (9/30/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

[KatieLady]

10/5/2009 A MOTION TO STRIKE DEFENDANT'S LEGALLY FLAWED MOTION TO DISMISS COUNTS I AND II OF THE INDICTMENT AGAINST CASEY MARIE ANTHONY

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records. And, here is a link to the Defense's motion, and it looks like the State has filed their response (I don't have a link to this new response yet).

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment (9/30/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Gotta love the wording.... DEFENDANT'S LEGALLY FLAWED MOTION

:thumbsup:

[KatieLady]

I think that's something we don't know yet. If they can prove it that hasn't been revealed. Although Dr. Perper who I do respect said categorically on NG his strong opinion is it was pre-mortem. Dunno.

I really admire him also....just don't know how he would know except that it makes no sense for someone to do that post-mortem IMO

[summer]

Wonder if Lyon's would do it? Being the advocate and all :rolleyes:

I think Lyons will be gone like the wind after this trial, if not before.

If you're going to spend your valuable time as a respected civil rights attorney why spend it on this convict? The gravy train is NOW. Once it's over no one's going to want to touch her. A waste... huge waste!

[KatieLady]

I think Lyons will be gone like the wind after this trial, if not before.

If you're going to spend your valuable time as a respected civil rights attorney why spend it on this convict? The gravy train is NOW. Once it's over no one's going to want to touch her. A waste... huge waste!

LOL such prophetic words from Casey!

[summer]

I really admire him also....just don't know how he would know except that it makes no sense for someone to do that post-mortem IMO

I was surprised when he said it - he's not a sensationalist and he seemed quite certain and gave some scientific reason for his conclusion but like Barb I forgot. :smile:

And ha ha, Barb. That broke me up into laughter this morning! So cute.

[msgatorslayer]

Gotta love the wording.... DEFENDANT'S LEGALLY FLAWED MOTION

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: I expected nothing better from Baez. But Lyon's name is on it too. That has me confused.

[KatieLady]

:thumbsup: I expected nothing better from Baez. But Lyon's name is on it too. That has me confused.

From what I understand she is in pretty high demand?? Maybe she isn't putting as much time into this as we think and JB did most of it himself? But you would think that she at least would read it with her name on it and all IMO

[Bala]

Wow I was just reading the article about the Anthony's using the same duct tape to hang the poster of a missing Caylee. I'll bet that took the wind out of Baez's sail for a while. Now we have it around Caylee's mouth and nose on the gas cans and on the posters the family were hanging all over Orlando. I have no doubt that the jury will find it very compelling. Seeing it hasn't been sold in any stores in a while I think it says a lot about where the duct tape on Caylee came from.

[cuddlyrunner]

Really sad thought, maybe the duct tape around the school has scratch marks/tiny tears where Caylee tried to remove it?

I'm grumpy today (too many bad mannered 8 year old boys in class) but I am SICK of hearing that 'the truth will come out at trial'.
If there was anything at all that would get Casey out of jail because she was innocent you can bet your bottom dollar they would be waving it in front of the world's press.

The only truth that will come out at trial is (in my opinion) that Casey got sick of being Mommy and removed the object in her way. You don't party if your child is missing, you don't get a tattoo and you certainly don't go have sex with your boyfriend!

[Tia]

I think Lyons will be gone like the wind after this trial, if not before.

If you're going to spend your valuable time as a respected civil rights attorney why spend it on this convict? The gravy train is NOW. Once it's over no one's going to want to touch her. A waste... huge waste!

Exactly. Jose, Lyons and Co., will have moved on to the next high profile case-so they can continue to ride the gravy train.

[LadyHam]

Really sad thought, maybe the duct tape around the school has scratch marks/tiny tears where Caylee tried to remove it?

I'm grumpy today (too many bad mannered 8 year old boys in class) but I am SICK of hearing that 'the truth will come out at trial'.
If there was anything at all that would get Casey out of jail because she was innocent you can bet your bottom dollar they would be waving it in front of the world's press.

The only truth that will come out at trial is (in my opinion) that Casey got sick of being Mommy and removed the object in her way. You don't party if your child is missing, you don't get a tattoo and you certainly don't go have sex with your boyfriend!

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you. I wish the defense would stop saying that the truth will come out at trial and just produce the truth now. I think when they are saying that Casey is 100% innocent, they are using a play on words. I think they are trying to say she is innocent of the crime of 1st degree murder, but not totally innocent of what happened to Caylee. I think the public is tired of them saying how innocent she is, and if they try to present an accident scenario at trial, it will completely backfire on them.

[5swab5]

Gotta love the wording.... DEFENDANT'S LEGALLY FLAWED MOTION

:thumbsup:

Baez et al, ought to be paying for this little refresher course in the Law. :biggrinjester:

MOO

[charmin 66]

I ran out of gas quite a lot when I was young. To many times to count.
But I never ran out of gas twice in the same place.

What are the odds of that happening?

[Scampi]

10/5/2009 A MOTION TO STRIKE DEFENDANT'S LEGALLY FLAWED MOTION TO DISMISS COUNTS I AND II OF THE INDICTMENT AGAINST CASEY MARIE ANTHONY

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records. And, here is a link to the Defense's motion. It looks like the State has filed their response (I don't have a link to this new response yet).

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment (9/30/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

"Legally Flawed Motion"......... :lol:.......I love it.

[Sun]

"Legally Flawed Motion"......... :lol:.......I love it.

I hope that one of the media get a copy posted soon, so that we can all read this response.

I wonder who writes the State's responses, Ashton perhaps? Or LDB?

[ish]

This duct tape has not be available or manufactured for years????

I haven't caught up on the weekend posts yet, so this may have been mentioned but did anyone see Kathy Belich on NG Friday? They found some photos of the Caylee is missing posters ung by the family back in July of 08 and you can clearly see they used the duct tape with the same logo as the one on Caylee's mouth. Very interesting development.

[need2no]

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you. I wish the defense would stop saying that the truth will come out at trial and just produce the truth now. I think when they are saying that Casey is 100% innocent, they are using a play on words. I think they are trying to say she is innocent of the crime of 1st degree murder, but not totally innocent of what happened to Caylee. I think the public is tired of them saying how innocent she is, and if they try to present an accident scenario at trial, it will completely backfire on them.


BBM

I've tried to imagine how Baez and team could possibly introduce an accident scenario at the trial without casey testifying. It's not like Baez can stand before the jurors and say my client has informed me Caylee died accidently when XYZ happened, but she was afraid to tell her parents so she hid the body. Heck even if he could do this, or just implies an accident occurred, I don't think a jury would have an ounce of sympathy for casey, especially considering her behavior afterwards, the horrible manner she left Caylee in to rot away, and what she has cost the state by not just calling 911 to report an accident. Futhermore the jury would want details of what happened, why she panicked, why she didn't show grief or remorse after this happened, etc. They would want to hear from casey.

Baez and team must have something else up their sleeves.

[desmom]

Don't know if this has been discussed, but the freezer pops that Casey had, were they already frozen or needed to be frozen? Where they like Popsicle s or where they the pop's in the plastic tube bags that you push up?

If they were actually Popsicle's they would melt, but if freezer pops it wouldn't matter.

Tone described them as "freezer pops" and "tyson chicken" (page 23 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf )

[need2no]

Don't know if this has been discussed, but the freezer pops that Casey had, were they already frozen or needed to be frozen? Where they like Popsicle s or where they the pop's in the plastic tube bags that you push up?

If they were actually Popsicle's they would melt, but if freezer pops it wouldn't matter.

I think they were freezer pops, based on this comment were she blogged:

On my coffee table you will find...
a couple of my daughter's books, the tv remote, and a plastic wrapper from a freezer pop.

http://www.cupid.com/_profile_myview.aspx?id_member=2050024

[desmom]

I think they were freezer pops, based on this comment were she blogged:

On my coffee table you will find...
a couple of my daughter's books, the tv remote, and a plastic wrapper from a freezer pop.

http://www.cupid.com/_profile_myview.aspx?id_member=2050024

From your link:

If I could be on any reality TV show, I would be on...

i would love to go on Survivor.
the premise of the game is impeccable: outwit, outplay, outlast.
unfortunately, i wouldn't be able to be my 'typical' self, because my mouth would probably get me into trouble. i would try my hardest to stay under the radar, and develop strong bonds with a multitude of players. it's a big social game, but there is a lot of physicality that plays into as well. that's when being a smaller girl would work to my advantage.

:eek:

[msgatorslayer]

I think they were freezer pops, based on this comment were she blogged:

On my coffee table you will find...
a couple of my daughter's books, the tv remote, and a plastic wrapper from a freezer pop.

http://www.cupid.com/_profile_myview.aspx?id_member=2050024

That makes a huge difference. With the way Cindy shops, she probably had some frozen in the freezer, and a couple of more boxes in her pantry.

Casey wouldn't have to worry about them melting.

[desmom]

Freezer pops are usually those in a bag and when frozen you push them up. I know before some made a deal out of if they were frozen she must have just got there, but if these were frozen or not, they would not leak all over. Although I wished LE would have asked him if they were frozen???

Being the mother of two, I tend to think they were the freezer pops in the bag you push up. Two year olds soon to be three years olds make a huge mess with popsicles on a stick. jmo

[alisa31235]

I think they were freezer pops, based on this comment were she blogged:

On my coffee table you will find...
a couple of my daughter's books, the tv remote, and a plastic wrapper from a freezer pop.

http://www.cupid.com/_profile_myview.aspx?id_member=2050024

Hello all..... thanks for posting that its the first time i have seen it under my motto"live for the future forget the past" i think that is just what Casey was trying to do IMO

[LadyHam]

That makes a huge difference. With the way Cindy shops, she probably had some frozen in the freezer, and a couple of more boxes in her pantry.

Casey wouldn't have to worry about them melting.

I agree. But, Casey would have to worry about the chicken. If it was frozen, it would thaw, and if it thawed too much it would spoil.

Does it get to anybody else that Casey had the gall to think that she was just entitled to these items from her parents home?:thumbdown:

[Lapis]

Blows my theory, Lapis!

I only do it during rush hour on a busy road. LOL

I have also run out of gas on a busy road so either could have happened. (it usually takes me a while to get used to a new car) LOL

[need2no]

From your link:

If I could be on any reality TV show, I would be on...

i would love to go on Survivor.
the premise of the game is impeccable: outwit, outplay, outlast.
unfortunately, i wouldn't be able to be my 'typical' self, because my mouth would probably get me into trouble. i would try my hardest to stay under the radar, and develop strong bonds with a multitude of players. it's a big social game, but there is a lot of physicality that plays into as well. that's when being a smaller girl would work to my advantage.

:eek:


Interesting and weird, huh. I posted this yesterday saying this sums it up. Outwit, outplay, outlast....just the social game she is trying to play out now so she can be a survivor.

[LadyHam]

Interesting and weird, huh. I posted this yesterday saying this sums it up. Outwit, outplay, outlast....just the social game she is trying to play out now so she can be a survivor.

I think Casey may have finally met her match in the prosecution.

[LadyHam]

George said she contributed to the family when she could...:wink:

LOL, yeah but he couldn't come up w/any specific examples.:rolleyes:

[KatieLady]

From your link:

If I could be on any reality TV show, I would be on...

i would love to go on Survivor.
the premise of the game is impeccable: outwit, outplay, outlast.
unfortunately, i wouldn't be able to be my 'typical' self, because my mouth would probably get me into trouble. i would try my hardest to stay under the radar, and develop strong bonds with a multitude of players. it's a big social game, but there is a lot of physicality that plays into as well. that's when being a smaller girl would work to my advantage.

:eek:

My favorite is this:

Annual Income $25,001 to $35,000

:lol:

[desmom]

Hello all..... thanks for posting that its the first time i have seen it under my motto "live for the future forget the past" i think that is just what Casey was trying to do IMO

Interesting and weird, huh. I posted this yesterday saying this sums it up. Outwit, outplay, outlast....just the social game she is trying to play out now so she can be a survivor.

That is just eerie.

[Scampi]

I hope that one of the media get a copy posted soon, so that we can all read this response.

I wonder who writes the State's responses, Ashton perhaps? Or LDB?

I think the legally flawed motion line has Ashton written all over it....lol. :thumbsup:

[alisa31235]

My favorite is this:

Annual Income $25,001 to $35,000

:lol:

oh yes that and some college does she even have her ged? imo

[Xmygrits]

Interesting details uncovered by WFTV regarding the duct tape:

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html

[KatieLady]

oh yes that and some college does she even have her ged? imo

Cindy says she does :lol:

[Dtviewer3]

My favorite is this:

Annual Income $25,001 to $35,000

:lol:

Thanks.
I needed a good laugh today!:biggrin:

[Myka]

From your link:

If I could be on any reality TV show, I would be on...

i would love to go on Survivor.
the premise of the game is impeccable: outwit, outplay, outlast.
unfortunately, i wouldn't be able to be my 'typical' self, because my mouth would probably get me into trouble. i would try my hardest to stay under the radar, and develop strong bonds with a multitude of players. it's a big social game, but there is a lot of physicality that plays into as well. that's when being a smaller girl would work to my advantage.

:eek:


she is so stupid, everyone knows the game is about NUMBERS!!

I predict she would have slept with every guy on the island. Personally, I would have loved to see her in the Big Brother house. I could see Cindy defending her daughter :sneaky:

[Lavinya]

and this-

Simon Burch:
he (George) put the key in and opened the driver’s side door

pg. 6

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608simonburch/1/lg/Simon_Burch_Page_10.htm

Where did the rumor start the car was unlocked? Is this something we heard from Cindy or George?

I'm assuming the person who secreted a dead body at the tow-yard for a day or two, had a key for the trunk? :rolleyes:

[BlueTurtle]

2 - Since Cindy was bickering so much about the tow fees she was trying to place blame on Amscot. "My Daughter left a note, it should have never been towed".

So what her daughter left a note. Policy is policy. It is there for a purpose.

[need2no]

I'm assuming the person who secreted a dead body at the tow-yard for a day or two, had a key for the trunk? :rolleyes:

You betcha.

[forensicfan]

Morning Sun, I absolutely agree with you on this. Had casey anthony told them where the body was, she could have said Caylee's death was an accident. baez was very foolish in not advising his client to snap up this deal, because now I believe this bad decision will cost casey marie anthony her life.

IMO

Quite honestly, I think he DID advise her to take the partial immunity twice because twice it was approved (early on when Caylee was still "missing") and twice there was a date and time set and she didn't show up. I think it is she who is making this case so hard for them to defend that they are throwing all kinds of accusations around in an attempt to do their job.

Also, the decision she made to kill her daughter is what will cost her her life, not her lawyers IMO. They can only advise her, they can't force her to follow their advice.

Now keep in mind, I am not a fan of Jose Baez in the least. I just think that in private, even he doesn't believe her because his face surely shows no sincerity when he speaks in public about her case.

[SandyO]

Thanks Pam...you are a sweetheart! I am glad my old brain at least retained something about this case LOL

At the begining of this case we all thought that she had backed it in and disposed of Caylee in the dumpster behind her. Wasn't until later we found out we were wrong about the position of the car IIRC

I remember saying I'd bet my bottom dollar she threw Caylee in the dumpster ---- I'm glad no one took me up on that bet.

[Myka]

oh yes that and some college does she even have her ged? imo

oh wow, I didn't know she hadn't finished high school. She would of had to "study" a little bit to take the test and get her "good enough diploma"

[alisa31235]

So what her daughter left a note. Policy is policy. It is there for a purpose.

soo she left a note wonder what it said? my daddy will take care of it? thats what she told Tony right? but yet when her mom sent her a text saying major problem she didn`t even reply

[forensicfan]

I ran out of gas quite a lot when I was young. To many times to count.
But I never ran out of gas twice in the same place.

What are the odds of that happening?

LOL! Same here.

What are the odds of someone carrying a body matching Caylee's DNA just happened to come by and see Casey's abandoned car, put that body in the trunk of that car and came back and retrieved it as the lawyers appear to be alleging. :rolleyes:

[need2no]

I agree. But, Casey would have to worry about the chicken. If it was frozen, it would thaw, and if it thawed too much it would spoil.

Does it get to anybody else that Casey had the gall to think that she was just entitled to these items from her parents home?:thumbdown:

YES, and it appears the entire family has a sense of entitlement and rolls in that mindset. Just like Cindy asking the tow yard to reduce the bill. casey learned from experts.

[forensicfan]

BBM

I've tried to imagine how Baez and team could possibly introduce an accident scenario at the trial without casey testifying. It's not like Baez can stand before the jurors and say my client has informed me Caylee died accidently when XYZ happened, but she was afraid to tell her parents so she hid the body. Heck even if he could do this, or just implies an accident occurred, I don't think a jury would have an ounce of sympathy for casey, especially considering her behavior afterwards, the horrible manner she left Caylee in to rot away, and what she has cost the state by not just calling 911 to report an accident. Futhermore the jury would want details of what happened, why she panicked, why she didn't show grief or remorse after this happened, etc. They would want to hear from casey.

Baez and team must have something else up their sleeves.

I think he's trying to cover all possible aspects to save his client but IMO the jury won't buy it anyway because for one thing, Casey went out partying and acting like nothing had ever happened and secondly, she was given two opportunities to come forth with that scenario early on in the case.

[need2no]

"We talked about it, but there was no formal letter. Anything further, I'm not going to comment on," said Baez.

Jose Baez contends any information Casey has about her missing daughter has been filtered through him, to her family and then to law enforcement. He said investigators have not come to him with any specific information to ask Casey about.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

[Sun]

From your link:

If I could be on any reality TV show, I would be on...

i would love to go on Survivor.
the premise of the game is impeccable: outwit, outplay, outlast.
unfortunately, i wouldn't be able to be my 'typical' self, because my mouth would probably get me into trouble. i would try my hardest to stay under the radar, and develop strong bonds with a multitude of players. it's a big social game, but there is a lot of physicality that plays into as well. that's when being a smaller girl would work to my advantage.

:eek:

Perhaps she can play a modified version of Survivor when she takes up residence in prison. I seriously doubt that being a "smaller girl" will work to her advantage.

[forensicfan]

Perhaps she can play a modified version of Survivor when she takes up residence in prison. I seriously doubt that being a "smaller girl" will work to her advantage.

:laugh::lol:

[need2no]

I think he's trying to cover all possible aspects to save his client but IMO the jury won't buy it anyway because for one thing, Casey went out partying and acting like nothing had ever happened and secondly, she was given two opportunities to come forth with that scenario early on in the case.

I'm sure he is, that's his job, but that's just it...what are the options:

some other dud did it (not the defense's responsibility to prove their case), but still he won't get anywhere just trying to implicate Jesse and others without something concrete and convincing to present to the jury. Maybe implicate George and/or Cindy due to their inconsistancy throughout?

Accident-as I stated upthread, the jury would want details from casey, and I for one do not believe she will testify. Also I don't think the jury would be forgiving of an unreported accident with her behavior after this alleged 'accident', or dumping Caylee in a swampy area.
Can you imagine what this investigation has cost the State of Fl.

What other defense is a possibility, and plausible?

[Dtviewer3]

I'm sure he is, that's his job, but that's just it...what are the options:

some other dud did it (not the defense's responsibility to prove their case), but still he won't get anywhere just trying to implicate Jesse and others without something concrete and convincing to present to the jury. Maybe implicate George and/or Cindy due to their inconsistancy throughout?

Accident-as I stated upthread, the jury would want details from casey, and I for one do not believe she will testify. Also I don't think the jury would be forgiving of an unreported accident with her behavior after this alleged 'accident', or dumping Caylee in a swampy area.
Can you imagine what this investigation has cost the State of Fl.

What other defense is a possibility, and plausible?

Theres the key.
There isnt anything plausible when you take into account the circumstances and actions of Casey.

Shes done. Finished.

[Scampi]

I agree casey anthony has dug her own grave here. But, if I did have this case to defend, I would start by concocting some explanation for her outrageous behavior after June 16th.

The only thing I can come up with, is that Caylee accidently died and that shock threw casey anthony into some sort of fugue state that caused her to do very inappropriate things, including "burying" her beloved daughter at the same place she buried her beloved pets, in the same way sending them off with a heart sticker.

Believable? Nope. Reasonable? Nope. But that's all I can come up with

The defense has to come up with an explanation for those 31 days, her failure to call 911 and her actions and lies.

[msgatorslayer]

I agree casey anthony has dug her own grave here. But, if I did have this case to defend, I would start by concocting some explanation for her outrageous behavior after June 16th.

The only thing I can come up with, is that Caylee accidently died and that shock threw casey anthony into some sort of fugue state that caused her to do very inappropriate things, including "burying" her beloved daughter at the same place she buried her beloved pets, in the same way sending them off with a heart sticker.

Believable? Nope. Reasonable? Nope. But that's all I can come up with

The defense has to come up with an explanation for those 31 days, her failure to call 911 and her actions and lies.

"Ugly Coping" :laugh:

[KP1935]

Interesting and weird, huh. I posted this yesterday saying this sums it up. Outwit, outplay, outlast....just the social game she is trying to play out now so she can be a survivor.

Can they bring in Jeff Probst to read the verdict "Casey, the tribe has spoken!!!"

[martha]

I come to read but I guess there is nothing new today. maybe we will get a doc.dump this week. The proc.is keeping so quite I sure hope that means they have a lot we don;t know about. I will keep checking in to see what is going on with the case. I just know in my heart if jb had something to free casey he would be pushing for a trial date to be set soon. Why would he let his girl sit in jail if she did not do anything wrrong? If I was casey and I did not do anything to Caylee i would be wanting a new lawyer and now.jmho

[Dovey]

Does anyone know what is in the right evidence bag in picture #6?
I think the other 2 had the gas cans.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17062921/detail.html

[5swab5]

My favorite is this:

Annual Income $25,001 to $35,000

:lol:

No kidding, check fraud with only your friends and family must be more lucrative than I thought. Why bother to finish HS, when you can make that much money with only a couple of years OJT? MOO

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html

Prosecutors: Anthony Motion 'Legally Flawed'
WESH 2 is working to get a hold of the paperwork and will have more today on WESH 2 news, starting at 4 p.m.

...I can never figure out how to get Wesh's Live News. Does anyone have a link for the news starting at 4 o'clock? (my PC sometimes hates to load the wesh site for some unknown reason)

[BlueTurtle]

oh wow, I didn't know she hadn't finished high school. She would of had to "study" a little bit to take the test and get her "good enough diploma"

From the experience I have had with people taking the GED, it is not an easy test to pass. I respect people who take the challenge of taking the test and passing it. We have had a few students at the college I work for who had received a GED. They held their own as far as coursework. Sometimes it is not learning that is the problem, it is the personal stuff that gets in the way of going to school and so they drop out.

[5swab5]

I'm sure he is, that's his job, but that's just it...what are the options:

some other dud did it (not the defense's responsibility to prove their case), but still he won't get anywhere just trying to implicate Jesse and others without something concrete and convincing to present to the jury. Maybe implicate George and/or Cindy due to their inconsistancy throughout?

Accident-as I stated upthread, the jury would want details from casey, and I for one do not believe she will testify. Also I don't think the jury would be forgiving of an unreported accident with her behavior after this alleged 'accident', or dumping Caylee in a swampy area.
Can you imagine what this investigation has cost the State of Fl.

What other defense is a possibility, and plausible?


The devil made her do it? One of the dogs told her to do it?

Trouble with either of the above, is that Casey would have to admit a certain amount of culpability and I don't see that happening in my wildest dreams. MOO

[Sun]

"Ugly Coping" :laugh:

When I think of this term, the first person that comes to mind is CINDY.

[martha]

For some reason I think little Caylee died at the house. Right where she should have been safe. That is so very sad. She had a mother that has not shed a tear for her how sad. My heart breaks every time I think of Caylee and what has happened to her. Oh how all of us would have loved her and keep her safe had we had her. I wish I could understand why a mother would hurt her child but I just never will understand that.A person would have to have no heart at all to do something like this. If casey is the one that killed little Caylee I pray she never see the outside of a jail or prison. Caylee loved her mother and trusted her to take care of her. Caylee trusted cindy and george and Lee to love her and take care of her. Why is she not with us today? jmho:wub:

[BlueTurtle]

I'm sure he is, that's his job, but that's just it...what are the options:

some other dud did it (not the defense's responsibility to prove their case), but still he won't get anywhere just trying to implicate Jesse and others without something concrete and convincing to present to the jury. Maybe implicate George and/or Cindy due to their inconsistancy throughout?

Accident-as I stated upthread, the jury would want details from casey, and I for one do not believe she will testify. Also I don't think the jury would be forgiving of an unreported accident with her behavior after this alleged 'accident', or dumping Caylee in a swampy area.
Can you imagine what this investigation has cost the State of Fl.

What other defense is a possibility, and plausible?

Since there is no proof on how Caylee died, then the defense can ask Dr G is the child could have drowned as a possible mode of death. Would it be inconsistent with the remains? That is how they start to introduce an accident theory.

[Sun]

Since there is no proof on how Caylee died, then the defense can ask Dr G is the child could have drowned as a possible mode of death. Would it be inconsistent with the remains? That is how they start to introduce an accident theory.

That theory would be inconsistant with the three pieces of layered duct tape that were found on the skull.

[Bala]

Since there is no proof on how Caylee died, then the defense can ask Dr G is the child could have drowned as a possible mode of death. Would it be inconsistent with the remains? That is how they start to introduce an accident theory.
And the State will ask if she drown by accident or did someone hold her head under the water. I think that the defense will have a hard time proving it was an accident without Casey's testimony.

[Scampi]

Can they bring in Jeff Probst to read the verdict "Casey, the tribe has spoken!!!"

:lol: Oh God I hope so!!!

[martha]

That theory would be inconsistant with the three pieces of layered duct tape that were found on the skull.ITA how would duct tape be on her mouth? no way would that fly in my book but just me. I am not smart but I just can;t see that with the duct tape on her mouth.jmho:wub:

[martha]

And the State will ask if she drown by accident or did someone hold her head under the water. I think that the defense will have a hard time proving it was an accident without Casey's testimony. I don;t see how they can say it was an accideent with duct tape on her little mouth. that sounds crazy to me.jmho:wub:

[KatieLady]

Does anyone know what is in the right evidence bag in picture #6?
I think the other 2 had the gas cans.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17062921/detail.html

Vacuum cleaner bag?

[LadyHam]

Since there is no proof on how Caylee died, then the defense can ask Dr G is the child could have drowned as a possible mode of death. Would it be inconsistent with the remains? That is how they start to introduce an accident theory.

The defense can choose to introduce an accident theory that way, but there is no way a jury is going to buy it. The only way an accident theory would have worked would have been in the beginning when she was first arrested. To go the accident route now would just make it look like the defense is trying to make the murder charges go away.

[Dtviewer3]

The defense can choose to introduce an accident theory that way, but there is no way a jury is going to buy it. The only way an accident theory would have worked would have been in the beginning when she was first arrested. To go the accident route now would just make it look like the defense is trying to make the murder charges go away.


I agree.
Her actions after Caylee was last seen and the duct tape, the triple bagging and thrown away like garbage all scream 'glad to finally get rid of the burden' much more than 'accident'.

[KP1935]

I agree.
Her actions after Caylee was last seen and the duct tape, the triple bagging and thrown away like garbage all scream 'glad to finally get rid of the burden' much more than 'accident'.

Not to mention getting the tattoo!

[Dtviewer3]

Not to mention getting the tattoo!

Ah yes, cant forget that.

The 'good life' at last..........

[Bala]

I think one of the biggest hurdles this defense will have is over coming the damage C&G did to the case. Imagine what the jury will think knowing that Casey's parents had such little faith in her innocence that had to lie and manipulate the evidence to try and make her look innocent. If you can't even get your parents to believe in your innocence how does the defense convince a jury.

[need2no]

Since there is no proof on how Caylee died, then the defense can ask Dr G is the child could have drowned as a possible mode of death. Would it be inconsistent with the remains? That is how they start to introduce an accident theory.

Doesn't sound like Dr. G will be any help to the defense, from the autopsy:

The circumstances of death are that this toddler child, with no known medical history, was not reported missing to authorities for approximately 30 days. This child's remains were eventually found in a wooded, overgrown area, discarded with two trash bags and a laundry bag. Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair. This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the
mandible in place.


CONCLUSION/OPINION: As often is the case with a skeletonized individual, the exact cause of death cannot be determined with certainty. The manner of death is an opinion based on available information, including circumstances surrounding the death, information from the scene, and examination of the skeletal remains.

[Pam1569]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html

Prosecutors: Anthony Motion 'Legally Flawed'
WESH 2 is working to get a hold of the paperwork and will have more today on WESH 2 news, starting at 4 p.m.

...I can never figure out how to get Wesh's Live News. Does anyone have a link for the news starting at 4 o'clock? (my PC sometimes hates to load the wesh site for some unknown reason)

Hi Sun, wesh has it on their site now.

http://wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html

There is no other local news that runs at 4pm.

[need2no]

I think one of the biggest hurdles this defense will have is over coming the damage C&G did to the case. Imagine what the jury will think knowing that Casey's parents had such little faith in her innocence that had to lie and manipulate the evidence to try and make her look innocent. If you can't even get your parents to believe in your innocence how does the defense convince a jury.

And don't forget they searched their own backyard. :ohmy:

[KatieLady]

I wonder how often JB goes to see Casey? We haven't seen a visitors log in a long time have we?

[Bala]

I would love to see an response from the Anthony's as to why the duct tape around Caylee's mouth matches the duct tape on the gas can and the duct tape they used to hang the posters of a missing Caylee. When are these reports going to stop letting the Anthony's and their attorney say what ever they want without calling them on the real evidence not just what they want the public to hear. You can bet your life the next interview they give they'll be a no comment on the question about the duct tape on the posters.

[onlykaty]

ITA how would duct tape be on her mouth? no way would that fly in my book but just me. I am not smart but I just can;t see that with the duct tape on her mouth.jmho:wub:


I think you are very wise and have a heart of gold. IA, the duct tape is going to blow that one out of the water. I think the defense's only ploy right now is to keep delaying as long as possible and hope the state makes a big blunder somewhere. I have a feeling they will not even consider anything else until they have a every peice of evidence the state has. When the trial starts, we will then see what kind of spinners they really are. I have a feeling they know Casey is going down, I also think they beleive the DP won't happen. In other words Casey will rot in prison while they appeal to no avail. jmo

[Sun]

I wonder how often JB goes to see Casey? We haven't seen a visitors log in a long time have we?

The last visitor's inmate log that I have a link to, is Jan 26, 2009. I've seen nothing since that date, and I've searched.

[BlueTurtle]

I think one of the biggest hurdles this defense will have is over coming the damage C&G did to the case. Imagine what the jury will think knowing that Casey's parents had such little faith in her innocence that had to lie and manipulate the evidence to try and make her look innocent. If you can't even get your parents to believe in your innocence how does the defense convince a jury.

I doubt that a lot of that will come in. I hope the prosecution tries to stick to a outline of what is necessary to bring in and not touch items that would give the defense a nice open door. Let the defense try and introduce something that the prosecution can rebut, then the state has a door open to things Casey might not want revealed that are not direct to the case. If the prosecution can it it on the point, there should be a good outcome.....conviction.

[KatieLady]

The last visitor's inmate log that I have a link to, is Jan 26, 2009. I've seen nothing since that date, and I've searched.

Wonder why we are not seeing them anymore? Is it because media hasn't requested it? I would love to know how much contact she has with him and who else she is seeing.

[onlykaty]

I doubt that a lot of that will come in. I hope the prosecution tries to stick to a outline of what is necessary to bring in and not touch items that would give the defense a nice open door. Let the defense try and introduce something that the prosecution can rebut, then the state has a door open to things Casey might not want revealed that are not direct to the case. If the prosecution can it it on the point, there should be a good outcome.....conviction.


IA, I hope they don't overload the jury with things they really don't need. We have had months and months to sort it out and discuss it and still some of it is mind boggling to us. The jury won't have that long. A good opening statement by the prosecution imo will put the defense in position of having to prove more than want to. I know the defense does not have to prove she is innocent the prosecution has to prove she is guilty. Let face it, in this case it is very important for defense to explain the why of 31 days, no nanny, lying about having a job, tatoo (a beautiful life), the duct tape and most of all the smell and evidense of decomp in trunk of car..jmo

[Sun]

Wonder why we are not seeing them anymore? Is it because media hasn't requested it? I would love to know how much contact she has with him and who else she is seeing.

If you know anyone in the media in the Orlando area, maybe you can get them to request the info. If perhaps enough people make requests, we might get to see this data.

I would really like to know how many times Lyon has visited with Casey in the jail. For instance, TLenamon was at one time working for Casey's defense. He met with her just one time, and Baez was present.

10/18/2008 11:16 through 10/18/2008 13:14

http://www.wftv.com/news/18596659/detail.html

[hello its me]

If you know anyone in the media in the Orlando area, maybe you can get them to request the info. If perhaps enough people make requests, we might get to see this data.

I would really like to know how many times Lyon has visited with Casey in the jail. For instance, TLenamon was at one time working for Casey's defense. He met with her just one time, and Baez was present.

10/18/2008 11:16 through 10/18/2008 13:14

http://www.wftv.com/news/18596659/detail.html

Does the media have to request it? If it's public record, couldn't one of us request it? Can't be that many pages...just a thought. Anyone wanna call the jail? I'd chip in.

[Bala]

I doubt that a lot of that will come in. I hope the prosecution tries to stick to a outline of what is necessary to bring in and not touch items that would give the defense a nice open door. Let the defense try and introduce something that the prosecution can rebut, then the state has a door open to things Casey might not want revealed that are not direct to the case. If the prosecution can it it on the point, there should be a good outcome.....conviction.
I think this case is unique in that the prosecutors will have to show the jury that the Anthony's are willing to do what ever to get Casey off. They are after all the grandparents of the victim so the jury may give their testimony more weight them other witnesses.

[Pretty Leaf]

So I'm sure Dr. G. will be called for a witness for the State.

She has to be...she did the autopsy

[denjet]

Does the media have to request it? If it's public record, couldn't one of us request it? Can't be that many pages...just a thought. Anyone wanna call the jail? I'd chip in.
Hi Hello! (that sounds funny)
I don't think the visit logs were supposed to be made public record ... in any case I think that the defense may have stopped this from happening ... JMO but there have been none posted since end of Jan ...

[Dovey]

Vacuum cleaner bag?

It looks like a poster board is sticking out of the evidence bag to me and the last word looks like it says "Missing".

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17062921/detail.html

[BlueTurtle]

I think this case is unique in that the prosecutors will have to show the jury that the Anthony's are willing to do what ever to get Casey off. They are after all the grandparents of the victim so the jury may give their testimony more weight them other witnesses.

I think the Anthony's will be muzzled when in court. They will be labeled hostile witnesses and will be asked just a few yes/no questions. Was that you who called 911 on that tape, yes or no? Is this a copy of your entry on MySpace regarding a missing Caylee, yes or no.

If the defense calls them, they best be careful with what they try to get admitted in. It could be really bad for Casey. Of course Cindy wouldn't understand that since she always has to have the last word. She thinks she can win any argument since people just back away when she gets nasty. She doesn't realize she has lost most of those arguments.

[need2no]

She has to be...she did the autopsy

I just checked, she isn't on the list dated Nov. 14, 2008, not sure if there is a more current list. Maybe Dr. G's report will suffice. :shrug:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18008819/detail.html

[KatieLady]

It looks like a poster board is sticking out of the evidence bag to me and the last word looks like it says "Missing".

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17062921/detail.html

I'm sorry...I was looking at the wrong bag. Looks like it could be a missing poster for Caylee? But why would they want that for evidence?
hmmmm

[Neffy]

I'm sorry...I was looking at the wrong bag. Looks like it could be a missing poster for Caylee? But why would they want that for evidence?
hmmmm

Is it the poster that was hung with the "henkel" logo duct tape?

[Dovey]

I'm sorry...I was looking at the wrong bag. Looks like it could be a missing poster for Caylee? But why would they want that for evidence?
hmmmm

I was wondering if anyone knows how it can be blown up and see if it has any duct tape on it.
I believe the other two bags have the gas cans in them with the duct tape.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17062921/detail.html

[need2no]

I'm sorry...I was looking at the wrong bag. Looks like it could be a missing poster for Caylee? But why would they want that for evidence?
hmmmm

Maybe it's the one from casey's room that had June 9th as the last date Caylee was seen.

[KatieLady]

I was wondering if anyone knows how it can be blown up and see if it has any duct tape on it.
I believe the other two bags have the gas cans in them.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17062921/detail.html

I tried....the page got bigger but not the picture and the site won't let you save it.

[Dovey]

I tried....the page got bigger but not the picture and the site won't let you save it.


If you look at photo 4 it doesn't appear the bag is there when the crime investigators are entering the garage. It sure is there on their way out of the garage.
I didn't notice that bag the last time I had viewed those photo's.

[Chardonnay]

I just checked, she isn't on the list dated Nov. 14, 2008, not sure if there is a more current list. Maybe Dr. G's report will suffice. :shrug:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18008819/detail.html

Hi N2N,
I wouldn't think she'd be on the Nov 14th list, since Caylee wasn't found til Dec 11th? :shrug: jmo...

[KatieLady]

If you look at photo 4 it doesn't appear the bag is there when the crime investigators are entering the garage. It sure is there on their way out of the garage.
I didn't notice that bag the last time I had viewed those photo's.

Hard to tell from pic #4 as all you can see is the opposite side of the garage IMO

[Sun]

Prosecutors: Anthony Motion 'Legally Flawed'
“The flaws in Miss Anthony’s motion are glaring and fatal,” Drane Burdick wrote, saying Anthony herself would need to swear under oath to whatever facts she claims prove she is being illegally prosecuted.

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
Defense's Motion (9/30/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

State's Motion to Strike (10/5/09): http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/1005%20Casey%20Motion.pdf

[KatieLady]

Prosecutors: Anthony Motion 'Legally Flawed'
“The flaws in Miss Anthony’s motion are glaring and fatal,” Drane Burdick wrote, saying Anthony herself would need to swear under oath to whatever facts she claims prove she is being illegally prosecuted.

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
Defense's Motion (9/30/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

State's Motion to Strike (10/5/09): http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/1005%20Casey%20Motion.pdf

Thanks Sun!

[need2no]

I think this is the poster in the evidence bag:


http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/category/casey-anthony/page/13/

[Bala]

WFTV is saying that there is a hearing Friday morning and Casey is expected to be there. I don't know what the hearing is about thou.

[KatieLady]

I think this is the poster in the evidence bag:


http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/category/casey-anthony/page/13/

This one is "landscape" thr other one seems to be printed the regular way. But who knows....

[Sun]

WFTV is saying that there is a hearing Friday morning and Casey is expected to be there. I don't know what the hearing is about thou.

Thanks for this alert! I haven't found anything indicating a court hearing date for this Friday, but maybe more will come out tomorrow on what it's about.

[need2no]

Casey’s Attorney Answers ‘Plea Deal’ Question

http://www.wftv.com/news/21209000/detail.html

[summer]

Whoa Nellie! Sorry to post and run but remember Mark Williams, the (I thought) sort of wishy-washy reporter from the NG show? Whoa! Check this out if you haven't seen it......

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

[Daffodil]

Does the media have to request it? If it's public record, couldn't one of us request it? Can't be that many pages...just a thought. Anyone wanna call the jail? I'd chip in.



I believe to make a request via Freedom of Information (FOI) the request has to be in writing and they also have to provide the information by a certain amount of time. Correct me if I am wrong. I would go do it but I don't live there. They will also charge you a certain amount per page for copying.

[Lapis]

I just checked, she isn't on the list dated Nov. 14, 2008, not sure if there is a more current list. Maybe Dr. G's report will suffice. :shrug:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18008819/detail.html

The autopsy report is not admissible as evidence. The doctor must come in and testify as to her findings and be subjected to cross-examination. Even after she testifies the physical report will not be entered into evidence. JMO

[Sun]

Originally Posted by need2no
I just checked, she isn't on the list dated Nov. 14, 2008, not sure if there is a more current list. Maybe Dr. G's report will suffice.

Caylee's remains were not found until Dec. 11, 2008.

[desmom]

I was wondering if anyone knows how it can be blown up and see if it has any duct tape on it.
I believe the other two bags have the gas cans in them with the duct tape.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17062921/detail.html

IIRC, back when the live web cams were outside the house, that poster was often leaning up against the corner of the house near where the American Flag was mounted. jmo

[Bala]

Whoa Nellie! Sorry to post and run but remember Mark Williams, the (I thought) sort of wishy-washy reporter from the NG show? Whoa! Check this out if you haven't seen it......

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Now there's a man that tells it like it is.