10/5

[Pruddennce]

Casey’s Attorney Answers ‘Plea Deal’ Question

http://www.wftv.com/news/21209000/detail.html

she was already offered limited immunity before her remains were found. she declined it (or rather Baez did).

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0829/17335521.pdf

too late. I dont see the state offering her a chance to 'plead' to more lies. wasnt her written statement, LE interviews, chats with Lee and parents during visitation enough to substantiate she is a world class liar?

whats the point? they wanted her to cooperate in locating Caylee. she declined.

Caylee is discovered....and now a year later Baez is blah blah 'its up to her' as if its coming her way?

'her day in court', Baez states...is Casey planning on testifying? that would enlighten the jurors.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[need2no]

Whoa Nellie! Sorry to post and run but remember Mark Williams, the (I thought) sort of wishy-washy reporter from the NG show? Whoa! Check this out if you haven't seen it......

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Wow, just wow. You go Mark, tell it like it is! :thumbsup:

[need2no]

The autopsy report is not admissible as evidence. The doctor must come in and testify as to her findings and be subjected to cross-examination. Even after she testifies the physical report will not be entered into evidence. JMO

Thanks Lapis, makes perfect sense. I tried to find a more current witness list from the State, but so far no success.

[need2no]

she was already offered limited immunity before her remains were found. she declined it (or rather Baez did).

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0829/17335521.pdf

too late. I dont see the state offering her a chance to 'plead' to more lies. wasnt her written statement, LE interviews, chats with Lee and parents during visitation enough to substantiate she is a world class liar?

whats the point? they wanted her to cooperate in locating Caylee. she declined.

Caylee is discovered....and now a year later Baez is blah blah 'its up to her' as if its coming her way?

'her day in court', Baez states...is Casey planning on testifying? that would enlighten the jurors. IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

ITA Pru, too little, too late.

BBM

It would enlighten a lot of us too. Bring it on casey!

[Sun]

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
Defense's Motion (9/30/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

State's Motion to Strike (10/5/09): http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/1005%20Casey%20Motion.pdf

When you read the defense's motions, do you sometimes wonder if Casey is just demanding that her attorneys "get her out of jail!"? I can imagine Casey using her phone privileges to call Baez's office, demanding that he come to see her... and that she "wants this, and "wants that."

[Bala]

Wow, just wow. You go Mark, tell it like it is! :thumbsup:
If I read it right he's suggesting George's suicide attempt was a fake. I would have loved to see the steam coming out of Cindy's ears as she read this.

[Pam1569]

The autopsy report is not admissible as evidence. The doctor must come in and testify as to her findings and be subjected to cross-examination. Even after she testifies the physical report will not be entered into evidence. JMO

Hi Lapis, here is the Florida Statute for autospy rerports

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?code=View Statues&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=406.135&URL=CH0406/Sec135.HTM

Scroll down to 7.

To sum it up it can be shown in court and to the jury. jmo

you have to highlight the whole link there. There is a space that should be there but for some reason I cannot copy and paste lately

[Daffodil]

The autopsy report is not admissible as evidence. The doctor must come in and testify as to her findings and be subjected to cross-examination. Even after she testifies the physical report will not be entered into evidence. JMO

Lapis,

That surprises me. What is the reasoning behind that? Is it because they view it more as an opinion? TIA

[achristie]

Whoa Nellie! Sorry to post and run but remember Mark Williams, the (I thought) sort of wishy-washy reporter from the NG show? Whoa! Check this out if you haven't seen it......

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

:w00t: Yikes!

Remember the night last fall… when Casey was out on bail provided by Mr. Padilla… authorities found a handgun in the spare tire well of his Chevrolet HHR.

Let me set you straight on this detail… It seems George got Cindy out of the house to do a bit of shopping. His plan was to retrieve the weapon… find Casey… blow her brains out and then turn the gun on himself.

Dominic Casey doesn’t talk about that… nor do the Anthony’s.

[Bala]

:w00t: Yikes!

Remember the night last fall… when Casey was out on bail provided by Mr. Padilla… authorities found a handgun in the spare tire well of his Chevrolet HHR.

Let me set you straight on this detail… It seems George got Cindy out of the house to do a bit of shopping. His plan was to retrieve the weapon… find Casey… blow her brains out and then turn the gun on himself.

Dominic Casey doesn’t talk about that… nor do the Anthony’s.
I'm wondering if this is the reason that they wanted to seal Georges suicide note. Did he spill the beans.

[BettyC]

Whoa Nellie! Sorry to post and run but remember Mark Williams, the (I thought) sort of wishy-washy reporter from the NG show? Whoa! Check this out if you haven't seen it......

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

NAIL ! HEAD !

Good for Mark.

[Bala]

Lapis,

That surprises me. What is the reasoning behind that? Is it because they view it more as an opinion? TIA
Lapis
If George accused Casey of killing Caylee in his suicide note is it admissible in court? If he talked about killing Casey then himself can the State introduce it as evidence.

[5swab5]

It's even worse than it sounds, crime. We don't have A/C in our state prisons (except for administration, law library and medical buildings ). There are no windows to get breeze even, and with all that concrete and steel, it just captures the days heat and radiates it all night long. That's one of the reasons the inmates malinger at medical; to be able to get in the AC for a little bit. She's in for hell.

:seeya:
That's music to my ears.

No matter what Casey has to endure, it can never approach the utter horror Caylee must have gone through.

Sweat on Casey! MOO

[achristie]

Hey you, ltns . . . love his comparison of casey to a screen door.........................:lol:

That link just blew me away. I'd say BOMBSHELL.:laugh:

[denjet]

The autopsy report is not admissible as evidence. The doctor must come in and testify as to her findings and be subjected to cross-examination. Even after she testifies the physical report will not be entered into evidence. JMO
Hasn't the autopsy report already been entered as evidence from the state ????
Since when has an autopsy report not been admitted as evidence in a murder trial ??? It's an integral part of forensics in a murder case ... I understand that Dr G may be called to testify to her findings and the defense have a chance to question her about the autopsy ..
I'm not able to find this in the Florida Statutes ... do you have a link?:blink:

[BettyC]

That link just blew me away. I'd say BOMBSHELL.:laugh:

I agree, but as great as it was, there's no one word in it that we haven't known all along.

[denjet]

Hi Lapis, here is the Florida Statute for autospy rerports

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?code=View Statues&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=406.135&URL=CH0406/Sec135.HTM

Scroll down to 7.

To sum it up it can be shown in court and to the jury. jmo

you have to highlight the whole link there. There is a space that should be there but for some reason I cannot copy and paste lately
Thank you, Pam!!
I knew that post couldn't possibly be correct ... thanks for clearing that up !! :biggrin:

[LadyHam]

Prosecutors: Anthony Motion 'Legally Flawed'
“The flaws in Miss Anthony’s motion are glaring and fatal,” Drane Burdick wrote, saying Anthony herself would need to swear under oath to whatever facts she claims prove she is being illegally prosecuted.

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
Defense's Motion (9/30/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

State's Motion to Strike (10/5/09): http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/1005%20Casey%20Motion.pdf

Thanks for posting this, Sun! :seeya:

[LadyHam]

WFTV is saying that there is a hearing Friday morning and Casey is expected to be there. I don't know what the hearing is about thou.

Thanks for the head's up. :seeya:

[achristie]

I agree, but as great as it was, there's no one word in it that we haven't known all along.

I haven't followed every detail as many of you have, but the part about GA and the gun and his intent, if true, is news to me.

MOO Aggie

[LadyHam]

Casey’s Attorney Answers ‘Plea Deal’ Question

http://www.wftv.com/news/21209000/detail.html

From your link:

WHAT'S NEXT IN THE CASE AGAINST CASEY

A judge just set a new hearing date for next Friday morning and Casey Anthony is expected to be there.

The hearing could involve a defense motion to have the murder charges thrown out.

The defense claims prosecutors didn't allow it access to the crime scene while Caylee's remains were still there. Prosecutors asked for the hearing demanding the defense prove that claim.


Looks like we have a court hearing to look forward to on Friday and it looks like it is going to be about the motion concerning the spoilage of evidence.

[newsjunkie]

IMO I don't believe George had any intention of committing suicide.
I felt this way from the get-go.
It was a plea for sympathy set up by George Cindy and BC IMO
I doubt anything incriminating was in his note and if they had staged it a little later on there would have been accusations in that note against people outside the family as there are now.
If you were going to comit suicide would you order a pizza and call eveyone in your little black book? The beer I can understand :tonguewag:
The day after his deed I stated here I thought it was BS and got run off the board for being callous. :wink:

As far as the motion just filed about no access to the crime scene goes it's totally nuts.
Usually a body is found, crime scene is investigated autopsy done funeral by family if the family was indentified, investigation goes on until an arrest. lawyer hired etc etc etc.
Do these usual cases get thrown out for reasons this defense is giving? I think not!

There was a case before little Caylee was found and there certainly is now.

[denjet]

From your link:

WHAT'S NEXT IN THE CASE AGAINST CASEY

A judge just set a new hearing date for next Friday morning and Casey Anthony is expected to be there.

The hearing could involve a defense motion to have the murder charges thrown out.

The defense claims prosecutors didn't allow it access to the crime scene while Caylee's remains were still there. Prosecutors asked for the hearing demanding the defense prove that claim.


Looks like we have a court hearing to look forward to on Friday and it looks like it is going to be about the motion concerning the spoilage of evidence.
Good catch Lady! that's right the state responded to that motion also ... should be interesting ... :wink:

[Sun]

From your link:

WHAT'S NEXT IN THE CASE AGAINST CASEY

A judge just set a new hearing date for next Friday morning and Casey Anthony is expected to be there.

The hearing could involve a defense motion to have the murder charges thrown out.

The defense claims prosecutors didn't allow it access to the crime scene while Caylee's remains were still there. Prosecutors asked for the hearing demanding the defense prove that claim.


Looks like we have a court hearing to look forward to on Friday and it looks like it is going to be about the motion concerning the spoilage of evidence.

And, I'm going to guess that this Motion by the State may also be addressed.

Motion to Compel Reciprocal Discovery
State's Motion (9/10/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20838315/detail.html
Defense's Response (9/17/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972653/detail.html

[achristie]

:tongue: They should have put him on their hit-list!

Ain't that the truth!

I remember early on when they confiscated a gun from GA's car, but this is the first I've ever heard he planned to use it on his daughter.
One would think this guy can back up his statement, right?

MOO Aggie

[need2no]

I haven't followed every detail as many of you have, but the part about GA and the gun and his intent, if true, is news to me.

MOO Aggie


This will get you up to speed:

Police Remove Gun From Caylee's Grandfather's Car

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,418161,00.html

[newsjunkie]

Ain't that the truth!

I remember early on when they confiscated a gun from GA's car, but this is the first I've ever heard he planned to use it on his daughter.
One would think this guy can back up his statement, right?

MOO Aggie


I think he just heard this off the record by media sources close to the case.
Alot of that stuff proves true but never sees the light of day.

However it's believable to me. :mellow:

[LadyHam]

Whoa Nellie! Sorry to post and run but remember Mark Williams, the (I thought) sort of wishy-washy reporter from the NG show? Whoa! Check this out if you haven't seen it......

http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/

Thanks for that link, Summer! :seeya: I wish he would share a few more tidbits w/us. I think that was very interesting about George and the gun.:scared:

[summer4meplz]

:w00t: Yikes!

Remember the night last fall… when Casey was out on bail provided by Mr. Padilla… authorities found a handgun in the spare tire well of his Chevrolet HHR.

Let me set you straight on this detail… It seems George got Cindy out of the house to do a bit of shopping. His plan was to retrieve the weapon… find Casey… blow her brains out and then turn the gun on himself.

Dominic Casey doesn’t talk about that… nor do the Anthony’s.

so has it ever been revealed why the plan didn't work? who ratted george out with his gun?

[BettyC]

I haven't followed every detail as many of you have, but the part about GA and the gun and his intent, if true, is news to me.

MOO Aggie

IIRC (and I could be wrong) Lenny stated that. Could be why none of it surprises me.

eta: We definitely knew about the gun. That was well-publicized but I think Lenny talked about what he intended to do with it.

[achristie]

This will get you up to speed:

Police Remove Gun From Caylee's Grandfather's Car

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,418161,00.html

Thanks. I did know about this. This is just the first I've heard about what his "so called" intent was. For someone to put that in print, they'd best be able to back it up, especially in light of the family's continued support of her innocence.

MOO Aggie

[Lapis]

Hi Lapis, here is the Florida Statute for autospy rerports

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?code=View Statues&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=406.135&URL=CH0406/Sec135.HTM

Scroll down to 7.

To sum it up it can be shown in court and to the jury. jmo

you have to highlight the whole link there. There is a space that should be there but for some reason I cannot copy and paste lately

I am having trouble accessing the link (its probably me) but even if it can be shown to the jury (which I will reserve decision on until I can read it for myself, no offense but they are not admissible here in NJ), it will not substitute for the testimony of the ME. JMO

[5swab5]

(respectfully snipped)
As far as the motion just filed about no access to the crime scene goes it's totally nuts.
Usually a body is found, crime scene is investigated autopsy done funeral by family if the family was indentified, investigation goes on until an arrest. lawyer hired etc etc etc.
Do these usual cases get thrown out for reasons this defense is giving? I think not!

There was a case before little Caylee was found and there certainly is now.

ITA, In FACT by his motion alone, Baez is implying that his client has a vested interest in the outcome. IF Casey were innocent, there is no reason for Baez or his investigators to be there. It is simply a crime scene. (Idiot)MOO

[achristie]

IIRC (and I could be wrong) Lenny stated that. Could be why none of it surprises me.

Ah. I got it. So the source was Mr. Padilla?

[LadyHam]

I agree, but as great as it was, there's no one word in it that we haven't known all along.

I agree, but it is at least nice to have some of our suspicions somewhat confirmed, eh? :D

[BettyC]

Ah. I got it. So the source was Mr. Padilla?

The rumor about his intent? Yes.

[BettyC]

I agree, but it is at least nice to have some of our suspicions somewhat confirmed, eh? :D

Yes it sure is LadyHam. Although I don't think Mark would last long on the board. :sneaky:

[LadyHam]

I haven't followed every detail as many of you have, but the part about GA and the gun and his intent, if true, is news to me.

MOO Aggie

Yes, if true, I find it very interesting. If he thinks Casey is as innocent as he is leading the general public to think he does, then why the need for the gun? :shrug:

[LadyHam]

:tongue: They should have put him on their hit-list!

Well, I think it's fair to say that he's going to be on it now!:wink:

[need2no]

Ah. I got it. So the source was Mr. Padilla?

Maybe this is one of the reasons the defense didn't want Leonard to testify.

[Scampi]

Well, I think it's time for Miss Nancy to have Mark Williams on her show again....lol

[Pam1569]

I am having trouble accessing the link (its probably me) but even if it can be shown to the jury (which I will reserve decision on until I can read it for myself, no offense but they are not admissible here in NJ), it will not substitute for the testimony of the ME. JMO

Lapis, If you go to the Florida Statutes page
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Welcome/index.cfm?CFID=109577649&CFTOKEN=81250546
and look up Statute 406.135 scroll down to 7

[Lapis]

Lapis,

That surprises me. What is the reasoning behind that? Is it because they view it more as an opinion? TIA

Just so we understand, I am not talking about any photographs that may have been taken or test results but the written report. They are not admissible here in NJ. The ME will testify as to her findings at the time of the autopsy and the opinions she formulated based upon those findings. The concern is that allowing the expert report into evidence and allowing the jury to refer to it during deliberations may place undue emphasis on the opinion. There is a jury instruction that an expert's testimony carries no more weight than that of any other witness. The only difference is that an expert because of education training and/or experience is permitted to offer his/her opinion to aid the fact finder in its deliberations and the jury is free to accept or reject the opinion(s). Allowing the report into the jury room may be seen as a subtle hint from the court that the jury should accept the opions of the ME. JMO

[Sun]

:wink: Blink :wink: Blink :wink: Blink

And, I'm wondering if we will hear on Friday, any news in regards to the criminal check/fraud charges?

[msgatorslayer]

I think he just heard this off the record by media sources close to the case.
Alot of that stuff proves true but never sees the light of day.

However it's believable to me. :mellow:

Who cares if it's true or not. And I agree with what you're saying.

It's comical that since the 'hit list' was revealed, Team Kathi found the duct tape posters and now this. :lol: What's next? Does Natisha Lang have something to say?

[Lapis]

Lapis
If George accused Casey of killing Caylee in his suicide note is it admissible in court? If he talked about killing Casey then himself can the State introduce it as evidence.

NO!!!!!!!!! George's opinion cannot and will not be admissible in any court of law. His opinion is no more valid than yours or mine. It is for the jury to decide based upon the evidence presented whether Casey is guilty of the charges presented by the prosecution. No one's opinion as to the guilt or innocense of Casey is admissible. This is the ultimate issue for the jury to decide. JMO

[Pam1569]

:wink: Blink :wink:

And, I'm wondering if we will hear on Friday, any news in regards to the criminal check/fraud charges?

Hi Sun I sure hope we finally do get to hear about when it will be coming to trial. Thanks for the reminder! :)

[newsjunkie]

Who cares if it's true or not. And I agree with what you're saying.

It's comical that since the 'hit list' was revealed, Team Kathi found the duct tape posters and now this. :lol: What's next? Does Natisha Lang have something to say?


Yup The more the defense po's everyone off more info will come floating to the top :thumbsup:

tit for tat?

[CNTM]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-state-response-100509,0,7133315.story

Prosecutors in the case against Casey Anthony responded to her defense team's motion to dismiss the murder and aggravated child abuse charges by reminding them about Florida's criminal procedure rule.

Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick called the defense motion "legally flawed" and "glaring and fatal."

[Sun]

Just so we understand, I am not talking about any photographs that may have been taken or test results but the written report. They are not admissible here in NJ. The ME will testify as to her findings at the time of the autopsy and the opinions she formulated based upon those findings. The concern is that allowing the expert report into evidence and allowing the jury to refer to it during deliberations may place undue emphasis on the opinion. There is a jury instruction that an expert's testimony carries no more weight than that of any other witness. The only difference is that an expert because of education training and/or experience is permitted to offer his/her opinion to aid the fact finder in its deliberations and the jury is free to accept or reject the opinion(s). Allowing the report into the jury room may be seen as a subtle hint from the court that the jury should accept the opions of the ME. JMO

BConway on behalf of Cindy and George tried unsuccessfully to keep the autopsy report from being released to the public, at least until the trial. I would expect the ME to testify at the trial, and I guess that I assumed that the autopsy report would also be a document that the jury would see.

[denjet]

And, I'm going to guess that this Motion by the State may also be addressed.

Motion to Compel Reciprocal Discovery
State's Motion (9/10/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20838315/detail.html
Defense's Response (9/17/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972653/detail.html
Thanks Sun! we can hope ... now that you mentioned it, what about the protective order to stop videos and destroy videos of KC's visits and the one for COV ? guess we'll have to tune in and see ...:confused:

[Pruddennce]

Thanks. I did know about this. This is just the first I've heard about what his "so called" intent was. For someone to put that in print, they'd best be able to back it up, especially in light of the family's continued support of her innocence.

MOO Aggie

back it up?

how about GA and interview on LKL, LYING TO THE PUBLIC about what 'he thought' the smell was: the investigative documents, his own words contradict his PUBLICITY statements:

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/larry-king-live-george-anthony-like-cindy-said-what-was-inside-that-bag-was-garbage/

DISGRACEFUL...can George back up his statements he made to the public? not with his LE interviews....so what else is there?

"LIKE CINDY SAYS, inside that bag was GARBAGE' he says (when in reality Cindy NEVER SAW THE BAG'......George further LIES I SAW PIZZA...

no he didnt.

to investigators:

"it smelled like a DECOMPOSED BODY"...."YOU DONT FORGET THAT ODOR."

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9270627/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Statement-2008


he further states to investigators that he simply told CIndy, yeah, its pizza, because he didnt want to ADMIT it to her.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[newsjunkie]

NO!!!!!!!!! George's opinion cannot and will not be admissible in any court of law. His opinion is no more valid than yours or mine. It is for the jury to decide based upon the evidence presented whether Casey is guilty of the charges presented by the prosecution. No one's opinion as to the guilt or innocense of Casey is admissible. This is the ultimate issue for the jury to decide. JMO


IF he really did try to commit suicide couldn't the note go to his frame of mind?

[Lapis]

Hasn't the autopsy report already been entered as evidence from the state ????
Since when has an autopsy report not been admitted as evidence in a murder trial ??? It's an integral part of forensics in a murder case ... I understand that Dr G may be called to testify to her findings and the defense have a chance to question her about the autopsy ..
I'm not able to find this in the Florida Statutes ... do you have a link?:blink:

Nothing has been entered into evidence and will not until the trial. They have turned over the report to the defense as part of discovery. The ME can testify as to her findings and her opinions based upon those findings but here in NJ the actual report cannot be admitted into evidence. Just as a police report is not admissible. They can admit photographs and the results of testing but not the report prepared by the ME or any other expert. JMO

[Sun]

NO!!!!!!!!! George's opinion cannot and will not be admissible in any court of law. His opinion is no more valid than yours or mine. It is for the jury to decide based upon the evidence presented whether Casey is guilty of the charges presented by the prosecution. No one's opinion as to the guilt or innocense of Casey is admissible. This is the ultimate issue for the jury to decide. JMO

Are opinions of George and Cindy allowed to be heard during the death penalty phase of the trial (to determine LWOP or death)?

[Sun]

Thanks Sun! we can hope ... now that you mentioned it, what about the protective order to stop videos and destroy videos of KC's visits and the one for COV ? guess we'll have to tune in and see ...:confused:

So far, the State has still not yet responded to those defense motions

Order To Directing Jail Videos Be Destroyed (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972696/detail.html

Motion Prohibiting Videotaping Attorney Visits (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972622/detail.html

[BettyC]

Who cares if it's true or not. And I agree with what you're saying.

It's comical that since the 'hit list' was revealed, Team Kathi found the duct tape posters and now this. :lol: What's next? Does Natisha Lang have something to say?

How about poor Jessica D'Onofrio? Dominic told Cindy she was having an affair!! :scared: Yeah, that'll help find Caylee.

[denjet]

Nothing has been entered into evidence and will not until the trial. They have turned over the report to the defense as part of discovery. The ME can testify as to her findings and her opinions based upon those findings but here in NJ the actual report cannot be admitted into evidence. Just as a police report is not admissible. They can admit photographs and the results of testing but not the report prepared by the ME or any other expert. JMO
yes, what I meant was discovery and the evidence that MAY be entered at trial ... the autopsy "report" that I read contained test results, referenced pictures and factual data ALONG with the ME's conclusions ... the conclusions of the ME can be cross-examined at trial as any other expert witnesses will do but the actual evidence most certainly will be entered into evidence at trial and the jury WILL see that evidence and can weigh the conclusions of the ME

Guess they do things differently in NJ ??

[Lapis]

Lapis, If you go to the Florida Statutes page
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Welcome/index.cfm?CFID=109577649&CFTOKEN=81250546
and look up Statute 406.135 scroll down to 7

If I have arrived at the place you are.....this is the statute that prohibits the release of the autopsy to the general public. The section to which you refer (#7) exempts criminal proceedings. Meaning they can be used in a criminal proceeding. We must look to the rules of evidence to determine if the report itself will be admitted and given to the jury for use in deliberations. Not the opinions and not the findings but the written report. We may be taking about two different things. JMO

[denjet]

So far, the State has still not yet responded to those defense motions

Order To Directing Jail Videos Be Destroyed (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972696/detail.html

Motion Prohibiting Videotaping Attorney Visits (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972622/detail.html
Thanks Sun! :biggrin:

[msgatorslayer]

How about poor Jessica D'Onofrio? Dominic told Cindy she was having an affair!! :scared: Yeah, that'll help find Caylee.

Anyone but Casey!:wink:

[Lapis]

IF he really did try to commit suicide couldn't the note go to his frame of mind?

His state of mind is not relevant and neither is his opinion. The state has to prove its case and cannot rely on the opinions of others to convict her. JMO

[MisterGrey]

so has it ever been revealed why the plan didn't work? who ratted george out with his gun?
Sorry I do not have a link, however in my hand written time line I started last year, I have noted George ordered the gun locally on August 19 and picked it up on Sept 4, 2008. IIRC, it was located in the spare wheel well, in his car parked in the garage. I don't know if it was determined who dropped the dime to LE regarding the gun, maybe his cop friend or one of Lenny's crew, But it didn't effect Casey's bond release conditions since did not (appear) she had knowledge of George having a gun, and it was not located with in the house itself.

[Lapis]

Are opinions of George and Cindy allowed to be heard during the death penalty phase of the trial (to determine LWOP or death)?

The testimony during the penalty phase is different. A lot of stuff not permitted during the trial is admissible at that point. I doubt that their opinion at that point will carry much weight. They would be better served by pleading for Casey's life than arguing with the jury's verdict. JMO

[neid_77]

:smile:The court date is next friday October 16th not this friday

[BettyC]

:smile:The court date is next friday October 16th not this friday

Thanks neid - I was wondering about the "next Friday" term.

[denjet]

:smile:The court date is next friday October 16th not this friday
Hi neid! Bummer ... why did the news make it sound like this Friday ... not fair! :sad:

[summer4meplz]

Sorry I do not have a link, however in my hand written time line I started last year, I have noted George ordered the gun locally on August 19 and picked it up on Sept 4, 2008. IIRC, it was located in the spare wheel well, in his car parked in the garage. I don't know if it was determined who dropped the dime to LE regarding the gun, maybe his cop friend or one of Lenny's crew, But it didn't effect Casey's bond release conditions since did not (appear) she had knowledge of George having a gun, and it was not located with in the house itself.

thanks....so we don't know huh? I never did think george tried to committ suicide ....

[denjet]

Sorry I do not have a link, however in my hand written time line I started last year, I have noted George ordered the gun locally on August 19 and picked it up on Sept 4, 2008. IIRC, it was located in the spare wheel well, in his car parked in the garage. I don't know if it was determined who dropped the dime to LE regarding the gun, maybe his cop friend or one of Lenny's crew, But it didn't effect Casey's bond release conditions since did not (appear) she had knowledge of George having a gun, and it was not located with in the house itself.
I remember that Mister ... there was speculation that he bought it because of the protestors or that he was suicidal and thinking of using it on himself ... but from what I remember it was speculation ... does anyone know where this came from ...

[neid_77]

Hi neid! Bummer ... why did the news make it sound like this Friday ... not fair! :sad:

it's on this video report

http://www.wftv.com/video/21209460/index.html


Caylee Maire:wub::wub:

[achristie]

back it up?

how about GA and interview on LKL, LYING TO THE PUBLIC about what 'he thought' the smell was: the investigative documents, his own words contradict his PUBLICITY statements:

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/larry-king-live-george-anthony-like-cindy-said-what-was-inside-that-bag-was-garbage/

DISGRACEFUL...can George back up his statements he made to the public? not with his LE interviews....so what else is there?

"LIKE CINDY SAYS, inside that bag was GARBAGE' he says (when in reality Cindy NEVER SAW THE BAG'......George further LIES I SAW PIZZA...

no he didnt.

to investigators:

"it smelled like a DECOMPOSED BODY"...."YOU DONT FORGET THAT ODOR."

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9270627/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Statement-2008


he further states to investigators that he simply told CIndy, yeah, its pizza, because he didnt want to ADMIT it to her.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


Hey Pru, I'm with you. I don't often post but consistently read....well, kinda consistently.

I get what the family is all about. ;)

The only reason I jumped in was because I've never heard this recent post about GA and his "intent" with the gun he had hidden in the wheel well of his car.

MOO Aggie

[denjet]

it's on this video report

http://www.wftv.com/video/21209460/index.html


Caylee Maire:wub::wub:
Good report, thanks ... ya gotta luv that Kathi ... she knows how to get Baez !! :thumbsup:

[Dtviewer3]

His state of mind is not relevant and neither is his opinion. The state has to prove its case and cannot rely on the opinions of others to convict her. JMO

This is where I think this case will really be interesting.

George and Cindy's statements about the 'Decomposition smell' in the car certainly seem like 'opinion' to me, but since they testified that George recognized it from his police work and Cindy recognized it from her nursing job, I would guess those statements may be allowed to be heard at trial.

Do you think those statements will be allowed to be heard by the jury?

[Bala]

The testimony during the penalty phase is different. A lot of stuff not permitted during the trial is admissible at that point. I doubt that their opinion at that point will carry much weight. They would be better served by pleading for Casey's life than arguing with the jury's verdict. JMO
Lapis
Can the State cross examine Cindy and George during the penalty phase or do they just get to take the stand and give a statement?

[Lapis]

This is where I think this case will really be interesting.

George and Cindy's statements about the 'Decomposition smell' in the car certainly seem like 'opinion' to me, but since they testified that George recognized it from his police work and Cindy recognized it from her nursing job, I would guess those statements may be allowed to be heard at trial.

Do you think those statements will be allowed to be heard by the jury?

They may not. The prosecution would have to have a some basis for the court to permit the testimony. George's experience more than 20 years ago just may not be enough. The prosecution may not even attempt to have them testify. Just present Cindy's 911 call and that may be enough. Why risk appearing to beat up on the grieving grandparents when you can get the testimony elsewhere? The 911 call and Melich whose credentials can be more readily established. JMO

[Lapis]

Lapis
Can the State cross examine Cindy and George during the penalty phase or do they just get to take the stand and give a statement?

No, they will be subjected to cross during the penalty phase and I suspect the gloves will come off. JMO

[Bala]

No, they will be subjected to cross during the penalty phase and I suspect the gloves will come off. JMO
Can the State ask personal question like them making money off Caylee and if they helped pay Casey's legal bills with this money? Can they call them on lies to LE and hiding Caylee's hair brush? Is it ever exceptable to ask them why they refused to take a LDT if all they wanted was to find Caylee?

[Dtviewer3]

They may not. The prosecution would have to have a some basis for the court to permit the testimony. George's experience more than 20 years ago just may not be enough. The prosecution may not even attempt to have them testify. Just present Cindy's 911 call and that may be enough. Why risk appearing to beat up on the grieving grandparents when you can get the testimony elsewhere? The 911 call and Melich whose credentials can be more readily established. JMO

Actually, I think there is a pretty good chance they wont be called by the prosecution to testify. There not really needed IMO for a conviction.
My question was concerning the 3rd 911 call where Cindy states the car "smells like there was a dead body in it" (not word for word).

Would the call be allowed to be played with that statement in it?

[Lapis]

Can the State ask personal question like them making money off Caylee and if they helped pay Casey's legal bills with this money? Can they call them on lies to LE and hiding Caylee's hair brush? Is it ever exceptable to ask them why they refused to take a LDT if all they wanted was to find Caylee?

No as to the helping pay for Casey's defense. They can call them on the lies to LE and the hair brush. No as to any questions as to the LDT. JMO

[Daffodil]

Just so we understand, I am not talking about any photographs that may have been taken or test results but the written report. They are not admissible here in NJ. The ME will testify as to her findings at the time of the autopsy and the opinions she formulated based upon those findings. The concern is that allowing the expert report into evidence and allowing the jury to refer to it during deliberations may place undue emphasis on the opinion. There is a jury instruction that an expert's testimony carries no more weight than that of any other witness. The only difference is that an expert because of education training and/or experience is permitted to offer his/her opinion to aid the fact finder in its deliberations and the jury is free to accept or reject the opinion(s). Allowing the report into the jury room may be seen as a subtle hint from the court that the jury should accept the opions of the ME. JMO

Lapis,
Thank you for that explanation. It is an eye-opener for me. I never knew that the jury was not supposed to weigh an expert's opinion any higher than any other witness. What an education. Thank you.

[Pam1569]

If I have arrived at the place you are.....this is the statute that prohibits the release of the autopsy to the general public. The section to which you refer (#7) exempts criminal proceedings. Meaning they can be used in a criminal proceeding. We must look to the rules of evidence to determine if the report itself will be admitted and given to the jury for use in deliberations. Not the opinions and not the findings but the written report. We may be taking about two different things. JMO

Lapis, Sorry for the late response. You answered my answer to you above in bold. But when is the autopsy of anyone determined evidence from what I understand the autopsy from what the defense is saying it is evidence which shows that the state of Florida has no determined means of death. So I guess even by their (defense) determination it is evidence already and is going to be in the trial. jmt

[Lapis]

Actually, I think there is a pretty good chance they wont be called by the prosecution to testify. There not really needed IMO for a conviction.
My question was concerning the 3rd 911 call where Cindy states the car "smells like there was a dead body in it" (not word for word).

Would the call be allowed to be played with that statement in it?

The 911 call would be admissible as an excited utterance IMO

[hello its me]

So far, the State has still not yet responded to those defense motions

Order To Directing Jail Videos Be Destroyed (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972696/detail.html

Motion Prohibiting Videotaping Attorney Visits (9/17/09)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972622/detail.html

Seems to me that when jail procedures comes up, the State always says that the County Jail people (sorry, don't know their official title) are the people to be noticed and to respond. That female attorney comes in to speak to the Court about jail procedures. I suspect they will do the same with these. They will say Jose didn't notice the correct people...the jail and the media.

[Bala]

No as to the helping pay for Casey's defense. They can call them on the lies to LE and the hair brush. No as to any questions as to the LDT. JMO
Thanks Lapis for all your help. It sure makes following the case a whole lot easier when you know the rules.

[Bala]

Seems to me that when jail procedures comes up, the State always says that the County Jail people (sorry, don't know their official title) are the people to be noticed and to respond. That female attorney comes in to speak to the Court about jail procedures. I suspect they will do the same with these. They will say Jose didn't notice the correct people...the jail and the media.
Isn't this because the State doesn't run the jail the Sheriff's department does and they make the rules. Hasn't the defense already been told that there will be no special treatment for Casey. I thought the Judge nor the State could change the rules in the jail.

[Lapis]

Lapis, Sorry for the late response. You answered my answer to you above in bold. But when is the autopsy of anyone determined evidence from what I understand the autopsy from what the defense is saying it is evidence which shows that the state of Florida has no determined means of death. So I guess even by their (defense) determination it is evidence already and is going to be in the trial. jmt

Let me try it this way.

The discussion began when a poster opined that the report could be submitted in lieu of the ME's testimony. I think that we all agree that the ME will have to testify and the prosecution cannot just submit the report.

When an expert testify as the result of an examination, be it the autopsy or a physical examination or a site inspection they prepare a written report as to their findings, the results of any tests performed and any and all opinions they formulated from the testing or examination or inspection. The written report is turned over to the other side in discovery to provide the other side with a head's up as to what the expert will testify. The expert is then called at trial and presents his/her testimony including his/her observations and findings. They then present any opinions they formulated. If photographs are taken, they can be marked and put into evidence. If there was some testing done then the test results may be admitted. They are subjected to cross examination. Their testimony consists of the direct and cross examination. The jury weighs all of the testimony.

The written report that was prepared for discovery purposes is not admitted as a document into evidence because it places undue emphasis on the direct portion of the expert testimony and does not contain the information elicited during cross.

An autopsy report is no different than the FBI reports we read or the reports prepared by LE in the course of investigation. It is prepared to document the findings and the course of investigation. It is the testimony that is evidence not the report.

I hope this clarifies things.

JMO

[Sun]

Seems to me that when jail procedures comes up, the State always says that the County Jail people (sorry, don't know their official title) are the people to be noticed and to respond. That female attorney comes in to speak to the Court about jail procedures. I suspect they will do the same with these. They will say Jose didn't notice the correct people...the jail and the media.

You are so right! It would be the Sheriff's/Jail attorney who would need to respond. I don't remember the title of this person either.

In looking at the motions that Baez files, it doesn't look as it he copied the media.

[Dtviewer3]

Let me try it this way.

The discussion began when a poster opined that the report could be submitted in lieu of the ME's testimony. I think that we all agree that the ME will have to testify and the prosecution cannot just submit the report.

When an expert testify as the result of an examination, be it the autopsy or a physical examination or a site inspection they prepare a written report as to their findings, the results of any tests performed and any and all opinions they formulated from the testing or examination or inspection. The written report is turned over to the other side in discovery to provide the other side with a head's up as to what the expert will testify. The expert is then called at trial and presents his/her testimony including his/her observations and findings. They then present any opinions they formulated. If photographs are taken, they can be marked and put into evidence. If there was some testing done then the test results may be admitted. They are subjected to cross examination. Their testimony consists of the direct and cross examination. The jury weighs all of the testimony.

The written report that was prepared for discovery purposes is not admitted as a document into evidence because it places undue emphasis on the direct portion of the expert testimony and does not contain the information elicited during cross.

An autopsy report is no different than the FBI reports we read or the reports prepared by LE in the course of investigation. It is prepared to document the findings and the course of investigation. It is the testimony that is evidence not the report.

I hope this clarifies things.

JMO

The lines I highlighted above in red really sum it up well.
Thanks Lapis.

[denjet]

This is where I think this case will really be interesting.

George and Cindy's statements about the 'Decomposition smell' in the car certainly seem like 'opinion' to me, but since they testified that George recognized it from his police work and Cindy recognized it from her nursing job, I would guess those statements may be allowed to be heard at trial.

Do you think those statements will be allowed to be heard by the jury?
Hi Dt!
I would think that statements George and Cindy made under oath to OCSO and FBI could very well be used by the prosecution ... not so much with statements to the press or others ... but I would think the whole purpose of sworn statements and depositions especially is to collect and document this evidence that could be used at trial JMO

[Pam1569]

Let me try it this way.

The discussion began when a poster opined that the report could be submitted in lieu of the ME's testimony. I think that we all agree that the ME will have to testify and the prosecution cannot just submit the report.

When an expert testify as the result of an examination, be it the autopsy or a physical examination or a site inspection they prepare a written report as to their findings, the results of any tests performed and any and all opinions they formulated from the testing or examination or inspection. The written report is turned over to the other side in discovery to provide the other side with a head's up as to what the expert will testify. The expert is then called at trial and presents his/her testimony including his/her observations and findings. They then present any opinions they formulated. If photographs are taken, they can be marked and put into evidence. If there was some testing done then the test results may be admitted. They are subjected to cross examination. Their testimony consists of the direct and cross examination. The jury weighs all of the testimony.

The written report that was prepared for discovery purposes is not admitted as a document into evidence because it places undue emphasis on the direct portion of the expert testimony and does not contain the information elicited during cross.

An autopsy report is no different than the FBI reports we read or the reports prepared by LE in the course of investigation. It is prepared to document the findings and the course of investigation. It is the testimony that is evidence not the report.

I hope this clarifies things.

JMO

Lapis, Then I have to disagree with you. Someone testimony does not eliminate the report that is given in discovery. What the jury has to weigh is the testimony that is given along with their report which will both be discussed in the jury room at the end of this trial. Then they will determine what is true and what is not. sorry but that is my opinion

[Lapis]

Lapis, Then I have to disagree with you. Someone testimony does not eliminate the report that is given in discovery. What the jury has to weigh is the testimony that is given along with their report which will both be discussed in the jury room at the end of this trial. Then they will determine what is true and what is not. sorry but that is my opinion

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. Mine is based upon 22 years of practicing law. I guess that we will have to wait and see what happens at trial.

Sorry I realized that that sounded kindof snotty. Do you really think that the jury is going to be given 10,000 pages of documents to sift through at trial? JMO

[Dtviewer3]

Hi Dt!
I would think that statements George and Cindy made under oath to OCSO and FBI could very well be used by the prosecution ... not so much with statements to the press or others ... but I would think the whole purpose of sworn statements and depositions especially is to collect and document this evidence that could be used at trial JMO

Im sure there are some that can be used.
I just wonder if the statements they made about the smell might be kept away from the jury because they may be considered opinions (because George and Cindy are not experts).
But I'm sure the prosecutors will argue that George said he recognized the smell from his work in LE, and Cindy said she recognized the smell from her nurse's training.

[Bala]

I thought the jury didn't take anything into the jury room for deliberations but their notes. I thought they ask if they need to rehear testimony or needed to see evidence.

[Lapis]

I thought the jury didn't take anything into the jury room for deliberations but their notes. I thought they ask if they need to rehear testimony or needed to see evidence.

Anything entered into evidence is given to the jury for their deliberations....if they need to rehear testimony they must ask for it. Some items are not given to them for safety reasons like a weapon but as a general rule anything in evidence is given to them. JMO

[denjet]

Im sure there are some that can be used.
I just wonder if the statements they made about the smell might be kept away from the jury because they may be considered opinions (because George and Cindy are not experts).
But I'm sure the prosecutors will argue that George said he recognized the smell from his work in LE, and Cindy said she recognized the smell from her nurse's training.
ITA they just might be ... the prosecution might argue they both claimed to have experience with that smell, but the defense can argue they aren't experts ... I was thinking more of just their statements about the smell, when they noticed it, how bad it was and noticeable, etc and let the experts testify that examined and processed the trunk identify the source of the odor ...
With the whoppers that the Anthony's have told from day one, it should be interesting to see what they will be asked to testify to ... I'm not convinced they'll be very helpful to either side ... JMO :wink:

[newsjunkie]

His state of mind is not relevant and neither is his opinion. The state has to prove its case and cannot rely on the opinions of others to convict her. JMO


I thought his state of mind may be relevent (believing Casey killed Caylee) in regards to some of his statements about smelling decomp. Relevent to show he is lying now to protect Casey?

[Lapis]

I thought his state of mind may be relevent (believing Casey killed Caylee) in regards to some of his statements about smelling decomp. Relevent to show he is lying now to protect Casey?

The opinions of lay people are never admissible. I think they can show that he is lying to protect Casey merely by pointing out the love he has for her. Whether or not he smelled decomp has nothing to do with his state of mind. While it may provide some enjoyment for those of us on this site, I'm not convinced that the prosecution will be going after the Anthonys in the penalty phase. Why risk possible alienating the jury? They can get in the smell of decomp through LE and the 911 call. Couple that with the scientific testimony from the body farm and you have made the point. The testimony from Cindy and George is cumulative. As a general rule you want the testimony to be easy for the jury to follow. You don't want to muddy the waters with a whole lot of collateral issues. Why give Cindy or George a forum to spew their venom/ JMO

[crimeq]

Bolding by me.....

I think if push comes to shove before this case goes to trial, it will be interesting to see if Casey does plead guilty in order to have the possibility to someday get out of jail. I think when faced w/the DP or even LWOP, the possibility of someday maybe being free again may look pretty good compared to the alternatives. I think in order for Casey to do this, she would have to be pretty sure that her getting off scott free is not an option any longer. Perhaps her attorneys can convince her that coming clean before the trial is in her best interest?

Casey's attornies are not being paid money, they are being paid fame. They may hold self-interest above Casey's interests.

[crimeq]

I think Lyons will be gone like the wind after this trial, if not before.

If you're going to spend your valuable time as a respected civil rights attorney why spend it on this convict? The gravy train is NOW. Once it's over no one's going to want to touch her. A waste... huge waste!

Can you say, timing is everything -- she's got a book out soon -- this timing was propitious for her.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Angel-of-Death-Row/Andrea-Lyon/e/9781607144342

[crimeq]

Prosecutors: Anthony Motion 'Legally Flawed'
“The flaws in Miss Anthony’s motion are glaring and fatal,” Drane Burdick wrote, saying Anthony herself would need to swear under oath to whatever facts she claims prove she is being illegally prosecuted.

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
Defense's Motion (9/30/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

State's Motion to Strike (10/5/09): http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/1005%20Casey%20Motion.pdf

LOL that's not going to happen.

[need2no]

Jim Thompson Says He Saw Caylee, Casey Anthony At Walmart


http://www.wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html


Video with Jim Thompson

http://www.wesh.com/video/21209605/index.html

[SC7501]

It is late, and likely not a lot of people will respond to my post. But, if there is anyone still up, what is your opinion of this fellow and what he's saying?

I wish Eyesforlies.com would watch this and give a report on what she thinks.

Annie

Hi Annie, I don't suppose you're still here, but just in case: I tend to believe him, but at the same time I think the delay makes his testimony virtually worthless unless they can come up with some sort of objective proof. -- I doubt they will use him at all if there isn't any. -- What do you think?

[Explorer]

What he said when on Geraldo was any plea would have to come from Casey. She would have to make that decision. What he didn't do was rule it out like usual saying Casey is innocent and they will prove it in court.

I think the defense is changing their tune. The closer to trial and the damning evidence is going to force them to back away from the innocent claim.

[Explorer]

Im sort of getting the feeling that the state pretty much knows HOW Caylee died and when that comes out in court all hell is going to break loose for all the anthonys.

[Pruddennce]

Who knows what Casey is telling the defense team. It must be good because JB insists there is a reasonable explanation for the 31 days.

I have to keep reminding myself and I hope the prosecution hammer it home at trial, Casey did not report Caylee missing after 31 days. The only reason Caylee's disappearance became known was because of the tow notice.

jmo

ETA ~ I typed the word h a m m e r and it comes up with hammer.

:confused:

coupled with Baez now spewing forth talk of a plea deal....must be a whopper for him to suddenly utter the word plea...IMO, the state isnt going to offer her anything...curiosity as to 'how and where' Caylee died is tempting, but at this point the state, LE, the FBI have substantiated she is a liar. the state isnt going to give her entre to tell yet another 'story' to save herself from the DP. IMO

the duct tape on Caylee's mouth is problematic....Casey A will never admit when and why that tape was applied. IMO

she was offered a plea deal before her remains were found. Baez was pompous at that time and ignored the offer.

Casey A will NEVER admit she was culpable. someone else, newly conjured up or historically pointed at, will be her next victim if she 'thought' a new story would save her; and/or a claim of a temporary 'fugue state' which she just remembered occurred during those 31 days.

here come the doctors! *its the only thing missing so far*...maybe thats why we havent seen a 'visitor's log'. the process of 'padding' her brain and giving her 31 days a clinical name.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[sydney]

morning everyone.

does anyone else besides me think this thompson fella is a little off? he gives a written statement to the police and talks about kc's legs and cleavage and how attractive she is and the things he does to get customers (ahem) with children back in his store? does he not realize this is a murder investigation and not a dating service? if he had left those little tidbits out, he would seem much more credible (to me anyway).

sorry if it's been discussed before, but i've not been here very much lately.

[Sun]

Beats me!

Cindy said several times Casey was receiving threats and that is why Casey was not talking.

I want to know how Casey received those threats because there is nothing in her phone records or on her computer per the doc dumps we have seen.

jmo

That is a part of the "story" that just makes no sense to me. I don't buy it, and a jury isn't going to either. Casey had no problems dialing 911 to have the protestors arrested, when she may have felt that they were threatening the safely of George or Cindy.

If I really, really stretch my mind, the only people that Casey could have been receiving any threats from would have been George or Cindy during those first 31 days.

[BettyC]

morning everyone.

does anyone else besides me think this thompson fella is a little off? he gives a written statement to the police and talks about kc's legs and cleavage and how attractive she is and the things he does to get customers (ahem) with children back in his store? does he not realize this is a murder investigation and not a dating service? if he had left those little tidbits out, he would seem much more credible (to me anyway).

sorry if it's been discussed before, but i've not been here very much lately.

Hi syd - I had the same feelings about this guy when I read his story. A bit creepy.

I read somewhere yesterday that the prosecution (or LE?) say that they think he "believes" his story but it doesn't make it all true and yet they've added him to the witness list?

We'll see if he is ever called.

[Sun]

coupled with Baez now spewing forth talk of a plea deal....must be a whopper for him to suddenly utter the word plea...IMO, the state isnt going to offer her anything...curiosity as to 'how and where' Caylee died is tempting, but at this point the state, LE, the FBI have substantiated she is a liar. the state isnt going to give her entre to tell yet another 'story' to save herself from the DP. IMO

the duct tape on Caylee's mouth is problematic....Casey A will never admit when and why that tape was applied. IMO

she was offered a plea deal before her remains were found. Baez was pompous at that time and ignored the offer.

Casey A will NEVER admit she was culpable. someone else, newly conjured up or historically pointed at, will be her next victim if she 'thought' a new story would save her; and/or a claim of a temporary 'fugue state' which she just remembered occurred during those 31 days.

here come the doctors! *its the only thing missing so far*...maybe thats why we havent seen a 'visitor's log'. the process of 'padding' her brain and giving her 31 days a clinical name.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

So far, no doctors on the Defense witness list. What Casey showed by her words and actions, was more of a celebration. The lying, the tattoo, the stealing, the partying, drinking and smoking dope...

[LadyHam]

Who knows what Casey is telling the defense team. It must be good because JB insists there is a reasonable explanation for the 31 days.

I have to keep reminding myself and I hope the prosecution hammer it home at trial, Casey did not report Caylee missing after 31 days. The only reason Caylee's disappearance became known was because of the tow notice.

jmo

ETA ~ I typed the word h a m m e r and it comes up with hammer.

:confused:

Bolding by me....

Good morning, everyone!

You know, I was thinking about the latest round of media interviews by the defense team on Friday and I was thinking about JB's statement that Casey has a compelling reason for not reporting Caylee missing during those 31 days. On the same day in another interview, LKB's response as to why Casey didn't report Caylee missing was that it was just a stupid thing that people do. HUH? The two of them just totally contradicted each other. Which one is it? Is there a compelling reason for Casey not reporting Caylee missing or was it just a stupid mistake that she made? It can't be both. This is a prime example of why the defense team should stay quiet and not do any interviews at all. I wish the media would pick up on this glaring contradiction to this very important and vital question by 2 members of the defense team on the exact same day. AL must be having a fit about the latest media blitz. I find it very interesting and very telling that she did not participate in this latest round of interviews.

[Scampi]

coupled with Baez now spewing forth talk of a plea deal....must be a whopper for him to suddenly utter the word plea...IMO, the state isnt going to offer her anything...curiosity as to 'how and where' Caylee died is tempting, but at this point the state, LE, the FBI have substantiated she is a liar. the state isnt going to give her entre to tell yet another 'story' to save herself from the DP. IMO

the duct tape on Caylee's mouth is problematic....Casey A will never admit when and why that tape was applied. IMO

she was offered a plea deal before her remains were found. Baez was pompous at that time and ignored the offer.

Casey A will NEVER admit she was culpable. someone else, newly conjured up or historically pointed at, will be her next victim if she 'thought' a new story would save her; and/or a claim of a temporary 'fugue state' which she just remembered occurred during those 31 days.

here come the doctors! *its the only thing missing so far*...maybe thats why we havent seen a 'visitor's log'. the process of 'padding' her brain and giving her 31 days a clinical name.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I believe the clinical name is "fugue state" due to some traumatic event.

I do think the State would offer a plea of LWOP for a guilty to all charges.

Gonna be real interesting to see what's going to happen. I want this trial, but having casey anthony plead guilty would be amazing, if only to see the reaction of her cheerleaders, cynthia, lee and george.

[Scampi]

Bolding by me....

Good morning, everyone!

You know, I was thinking about the latest round of media interviews by the defense team on Friday and I was thinking about JB's statement that Casey has a compelling reason for not reporting Caylee missing during those 31 days. On the same day in another interview, LKB's response as to why Casey didn't report Caylee missing was that it was just a stupid thing that people do. HUH? The two of them just totally contradicted each other. Which one is it? Is there a compelling reason for Casey not reporting Caylee missing or was it just a stupid mistake that she made? It can't be both. This is a prime example of why the defense team should stay quiet and not do any interviews at all. I wish the media would pick up on this glaring contradiction to this very important and vital question by 2 members of the defense team on the exact same day. AL must be having a fit about the latest media blitz. I find it very interesting and very telling that she did not participate in this latest round of interviews.

What a great point Lady!!

[Explorer]

Bolding by me....

Good morning, everyone!

You know, I was thinking about the latest round of media interviews by the defense team on Friday and I was thinking about JB's statement that Casey has a compelling reason for not reporting Caylee missing during those 31 days. On the same day in another interview, LKB's response as to why Casey didn't report Caylee missing was that it was just a stupid thing that people do. HUH? The two of them just totally contradicted each other. Which one is it? Is there a compelling reason for Casey not reporting Caylee missing or was it just a stupid mistake that she made? It can't be both. This is a prime example of why the defense team should stay quiet and not do any interviews at all. I wish the media would pick up on this glaring contradiction to this very important and vital question by 2 members of the defense team on the exact same day. AL must be having a fit about the latest media blitz. I find it very interesting and very telling that she did not participate in this latest round of interviews.

A battle of egos and thats why the defense is so loused up. You have Lyon Baez Baden and then you have Casey George Cindy Lee. OMG what a horror story.

[LadyHam]

I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of Casey Anthonys defense.

I agree. I think they are starting to fall apart, and all the discovery hasn't even been released yet.

I think the fact that they just don't have time to devote to this case and the fact that most of the members of the defense team don't practice law in Florida is starting to show. Last week or the week before I think one of the local Orlando media had a legal expert analyze the slew of motions that the defense had filed and I remember him saying something to the effect that it was evident that none of them practiced in Florida because there were some major flaws in their motions and it was apparent that they didn't know Florida law. JB practices in Florida, so he should have been able to catch any and all mistakes, don't you think? :shrug: I think the defense team would have been better off keeping Lenomon (sp?) on the team instead of adding AL. Lenomon at least knows Florida law very well since that is where he practices. I don't think he was willing to go along w/the defense's agenda though. I think it is a huge mistake that all of Casey's high profile defense lawyers are out of town. They should have included someone that was local to Florida and someone that knows Florida law inside and out.

[Pruddennce]

morning everyone.

does anyone else besides me think this thompson fella is a little off? he gives a written statement to the police and talks about kc's legs and cleavage and how attractive she is and the things he does to get customers (ahem) with children back in his store? does he not realize this is a murder investigation and not a dating service? if he had left those little tidbits out, he would seem much more credible (to me anyway).

sorry if it's been discussed before, but i've not been here very much lately.
I dont believe him.

LE has the phone pings pinpointing her location in and around the Anthony home (some of our pings experts can weigh in).

also, why would he think on July 22nd that "HE" might be the last person to see her alive?

the day after father's day was not even mentioned by Cindy on this presser 7/21 other than she cant commit to a date that she was missing, other than 'everyone's timeline might be a week off'. <---which way, a week prior or forward? she doesnt say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0vFUavy9iU

same day, another presser, this time on the phone: one of my favorite interviews, and please note how Cindy responds to Meghan: she said "LET ME SPEAK!" <-----sound familiar?

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Cindy decides to give a date:

JUNE 14th. <-------saturday?????

still no mention of father's day.

incredulous....the family wanted the public to help, yet they cannot give a definitive missing date to jog memories.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Explorer]

Something is up I can feel it. I just keep thinking that it has something to do with how Caylee died. I think its worse than anyone imagined and when that comes out in court Casey Anthony will certainly get death. As far as George and Cindy go I think they know how Caylee died and still are going to keep up the charade. When the PUBLIC finds out they all better head for the hills.

[Spots]

I think it may come from this: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-asks-if-jose-baez-signals-shift-in-defense.html

On Fox News Channel, Geraldo Rivera interviewed Baez and brought up a plea deal for Anthony.

"That's not my decision to make," Baez told Rivera. "Any plea that would ever be taken would have to be taken by Casey, and she would have to accept the plea if one were offered."

The first comment holds my new mantra: the duhfense. Love it!! :lol:

[LadyHam]

Des, besides some kind of mental fugue state, what on earth could be the reasonable explanation for casey not calling 911 for 31 days and also explain her abysmal actions during those 31 days. I can't think of any, can you and certain none that are "compelling."

Well, hasn't the time to claim some sort of mental defense come and gone? :shrug: From the very beginning, wasn't the defense, specifically JB, adamant that Casey didn't have any mental issues? Hard to go with Casey did what she did and behaved the way she did due to mental issues if you've been denying that there were any mental issues from day one. The defense has effectively left themselves w/no defense.

The defense is sunk. I certainly hope that Casey wasn't thinking that this latest round of motions from the defense was going to get her out of jail, because they're not.