Oct 3 thru Oct. 4

[Viva4Haleigh]

Ok, any new news?

[MomofaMarine]

Haleigh Cummings – Conflicting Reports About Family


http://www.bloggernews.net/122488

[Texas48]

Haleigh Cummings - – BNN Radio Update On Sunday Oct 4 3pm CentralPosted on October 1st, 2009 by Simon Barrett


http://www.bloggernews.net/122455

[Lqqkout]

Haleigh Cummings - – BNN Radio Update On Sunday Oct 4 3pm CentralPosted on October 1st, 2009 by Simon Barrett


http://www.bloggernews.net/122455

Hi Tex, Thanks for the info. Will check back later to see if any new developments. seeya

[nurseRebecca]

Being covered on HLN right now

[titanfan217]

Being covered on HLN right now

My TV is being held hostage by Superman.

Is this something new?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Here is your post from the last thread and I would like to know where on that site you read that. A link would be great.
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Edited to add link to your post
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=359162&page=5

I see you missed this-

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Ok
Way past time for that coffee break and cool down period.
Things are really getting off topic and stretched here.
If someone asks you a question either answer it or say you don't know so 10 other people don't have to ask.
How do you know she works on a farm??
Maybe someone could show proof of that when you return to the subject of HALEIGH MISSING and not anyone not involved directly with the case.
Thank you.
************************************************** ***********************

Oh my good grief, I did last four pages and it talked about everyone and everything from cabbages to kings and not a word about the case for Haleigh. With 8 more pages to go if I continue it would easier to delete the complete thread and ban everyone for off topic, bashing, fighting - and I thought this was all settled last time I had to warn you.

Well I'm locking this thread, I'd advise all to stay on topic, if you talk about the family members it better be relevant, not something discussed eons ago, or how to feed your kids, or what kind of job someone should have, or who's mooching off of who, or who's milking the cows, or using the donations for high living, all of that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS in the first place.

And posters must stop posting odd ball things without proof, like who's lawn is being mowed or who lives on a farm or who's feeding kids from a garden or a can or not feeding at all & comparing the "old days" with now, etc etc- especially when you are asked repeatedly for proof so our posters are not cited for starting a rumor.

I guess we will have to go with the PM closing for a while again, and to think I was just going to tell the Cayley people how you really stepped it up here - but they'd ask for proof and today I don't have any, lucky I didn't post.

Sermon over, BACK TO THE TOPIC, HALEIGH CUMMINGS.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=359162&page=9

[Justice4all]

Being covered on HLN right now
Hi Rebecca, welcome to the group.

What all did HLN say?

[seeker]

I think it would be a good idea NOT to start playing games now. Coldwater's last post (on the thread that was closed earlier today) is posted on this new thread, by Viva: Post #10 (The entirety of CW's post).

I believe that the moderator's mentioning of farming meant she didn't want that subject belabored, so to speak.

That's what I got from CW's entire post. I also get that not too many people want to come here, knowing that there is a great chance that what they say may be treated with disdain by other posters. That, coupled with the constant requests for links that so obviously are not in existence. So much of what is discussed here involves each of our personal opinions, theories, and conjectures, which are based upon the evidence of the "players" own words and actions. Hard to locate a link to one's thoughts.

I, for one (and I feel certain I am definitely not the ONLY one) would like to talk about the investigation into HaLeigh's untimely disappearance.

Where could she be? Why did LE release the fact that Ronald tried to reach Misty over twenty times in the hours before Misty and Ron called 911? What reason could there be for Ronald's own attorney to state that he is on the list of suspects? Why did the family arrange for Misty to leave so suddenly after the pond exploration and Misty stating that LE had offered her Protective Custody? Why did the local LE deny that they had made her that offer?

Some of my opinions and questions.

[CFMom]

Bringing this over from the last thread since it seems a few posters here, frankiebones and panman didn't get the message-

This is a new thread guys, lets stop the drama that closed the last one and stay current like CW asks-

Coldwater Coldwater is offline
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Ok
Way past time for that coffee break and cool down period.
Things are really getting off topic and stretched here.
If someone asks you a question either answer it or say you don't know so 10 other people don't have to ask.
How do you know she works on a farm??
Maybe someone could show proof of that when you return to the subject of HALEIGH MISSING and not anyone not involved directly with the case.
Thank you.
************************************************** ***********************

Oh my good grief, I did last four pages and it talked about everyone and everything from cabbages to kings and not a word about the case for Haleigh. With 8 more pages to go if I continue it would easier to delete the complete thread and ban everyone for off topic, bashing, fighting - and I thought this was all settled last time I had to warn you.

Well I'm locking this thread, I'd advise all to stay on topic, if you talk about the family members it better be relevant, not something discussed eons ago, or how to feed your kids, or what kind of job someone should have, or who's mooching off of who, or who's milking the cows, or using the donations for high living, all of that is NONE OF YOU BUSINESS in the first place.

And posters must stop posting odd ball things without proof, like who's lawn is being mowed or who lives on a farm or who's feeding kids from a garden or a can or not feeding at all & comparing the "old days" with now, etc etc- especially when you are asked repeatedly for proof so our posters are not cited for starting a rumor.

I guess we will have to go with the PM closing for a while again, and to think I was just going to tell the Cayley people how you really stepped it up here - but they'd ask or proof and today I don't have any, lucky I didn't post.

Sermon over, BACK TO THE TOPIC, HALEIGH CUMMINGS.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...=359162&page=9

BBM
Coldwater Coldwater is offline
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Ok
Way past time for that coffee break and cool down period.
Things are really getting off topic and stretched here.
If someone asks you a question either answer it or say you don't know so 10 other people don't have to ask.
How do you know she works on a farm??
Maybe someone could show proof of that when you return to the subject of HALEIGH MISSING and not anyone not involved directly with the case.
Thank you.

[panman]

seeker, did you miss this part of CW's post? She wants to know.

Coldwater Coldwater is offline
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Ok
Way past time for that coffee break and cool down period.
Things are really getting off topic and stretched here.
If someone asks you a question either answer it or say you don't know so 10 other people don't have to ask.
How do you know she works on a farm??
Maybe someone could show proof of that when you return to the subject of HALEIGH MISSING and not anyone not involved directly with the case.
Thank you.

[Justice4all]

Is it possible someone could have went through one of the windows and took Haleigh?

[Justice4all]

seeker, did you miss this part of CW's post? She wants to know.

Coldwater Coldwater is offline
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Join Date: Aug 2002
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Ok
Way past time for that coffee break and cool down period.
Things are really getting off topic and stretched here.
If someone asks you a question either answer it or say you don't know so 10 other people don't have to ask.
How do you know she works on a farm??
Maybe someone could show proof of that when you return to the subject of HALEIGH MISSING and not anyone not involved directly with the case.
Thank you.

I've never heard the family even call it a farm. I know some journalist AKA bloggers have. and i've never heard Crystal or her mother say Crystal works the farm.

[Texas48]

I think it would be a good idea NOT to start playing games now. Coldwater's last post (on the thread that was closed earlier today) is posted on this new thread, by Viva: Post #10 (The entirety of CW's post).

I believe that the moderator's mentioning of farming meant she didn't want that subject belabored, so to speak.

That's what I got from CW's entire post. I also get that not too many people want to come here, knowing that there is a great chance that what they say may be treated with disdain by other posters. That, coupled with the constant requests for links that so obviously are not in existence. So much of what is discussed here involves each of our personal opinions, theories, and conjectures, which are based upon the evidence of the "players" own words and actions. Hard to locate a link to one's thoughts.

I, for one (and I feel certain I am definitely not the ONLY one) would like to talk about the investigation into HaLeigh's untimely disappearance.

Where could she be? Why did LE release the fact that Ronald tried to reach Misty over twenty times in the hours before Misty and Ron called 911? What reason could there be for Ronald's own attorney to state that he is on the list of suspects? Why did the family arrange for Misty to leave so suddenly after the pond exploration and Misty stating that LE had offered her Protective Custody? Why did the local LE deny that they had made her that offer?

Some of my opinions and questions.
BBM
seeker..you know good and well that is NOT how the attorney stated it.
Is seems its all well and good for some to make such slanderous remarks about members of this family and then come back when CW steps in and puts a stop to it and then post they *want to stay on topic*...
when did Misty make the statement about *protective custody*..?
Link please...TIA

[panman]

Is it possible someone could have went through one of the windows and took Haleigh?

Justice, I have always questioned the front door and the windows. LE never that I recall said a word about them.

[CANDYKISSES]

BBM
seeker..you know good and well that is NOT how the attorney stated it.
Is seems its all well and good for some to make such slanderous remarks about members of this family and then come back when CW steps in and puts a stop to it and then post they *want to stay on topic*...
when did Misty make the statement about *protective custody*..?
Link please...TIA

There is no need for the condescending posts using the moderator's post as a launch off while trying to bash Haleigh's father IMO Texas. You're correct about Mr. Shumaker not meaning that Ronald Cummings has become a suspect.

Mr. Shumaker simply alluded to the fact that until such time as a crime is solved and the child is returned, it's not possible to truly clear anyone unless you were with them 24/7 IMO.

That would make Ron and Crystal at the bottom of the list given LE has made a statement concerning the biological parents of Haleigh Cummings as far as I'm concerned.

As for the link, I don't have much to offer with regard to that. :unsure:

[Justice4all]

Justice, I have always questioned the front door and the windows. LE never that I recall said a word about them.

David Westerfield climbed through Danielle Van Dams window and never left a finger print or any DNA.

and John Couey managed to enter through the front door and never left his DNA or finger prints.

So i have to wonder if this could have happen with Haleigh.

[aproudmom]

Is it possible someone could have went through one of the windows and took Haleigh?

did they find any open? I know most of them have the latches so if it was closed it more than likely would have had to been open or broken...I am not saying I know what type of latch is on the windows I am just asking if it was ever reported one was open or broken...TIA..I still wonder why that side down instead of the front which was covered by the screened in porch you can see the neighbors house from that side door they are pretty close

[Texas48]

There is no need for the condescending posts using the moderator's post as a launch off while trying to bash Haleigh's father IMO Texas. You're correct about Mr. Shumaker not meaning that Ronald Cummings has become a suspect.

Mr. Shumaker simply alluded to the fact that until such time as a crime is solved and the child is returned, it's not possible to truly clear anyone unless you were with them 24/7 IMO.

That would make Ron and Crystal at the bottom of the list given LE has made a statement concerning the biological parents of Haleigh Cummings as far as I'm concerned.

As for the link, I don't have much to offer with regard to that. :unsure:
I know Candy..it just gets so disgusting to read some of these post over and over and the horrible remarks said just at a whim...NO proof of anything...and then a few of the biggest abusers of the TOS come back and want to THEN use CW's words.....I posted one of the TOS the other day and was made fum of as being a *mod*....go figure..?????? unbelievable...IMO

[Justice4all]

did they find any open? I know most of them have the latches so if it was closed it more than likely would have had to been open or broken...I am not saying I know what type of latch is on the windows I am just asking if it was ever reported one was open or broken...TIA..I still wonder why that side down instead of the front which was covered by the screened in porch you can see the neighbors house from that side door they are pretty close

I'll be honest with you mom i don't think i've ever hear LE talk about the windows.

I'll go look at some old articles and see what i can find.

[aproudmom]

David Westerfield climbed through Danielle Van Dams window and never left a finger print or any DNA.

and John Couey managed to enter through the front door and never left his DNA or finger prints.

So i have to wonder if this could have happen with Haleigh.

I never heard but sure they have checked them and being a rental home prints would be really hard of course any family members would be there and friends..did we ever hear why they came back after the release of the MH and got the side door? that seemed kinda odd they did not take it before then all the media had been in there..

[Texas48]

Hi Tex, Thanks for the info. Will check back later to see if any new developments. seeya
So good to have you back..have missed your great post..hope your vacation was good.

[Justice4all]

I never heard but sure they have checked them and being a rental home prints would be really hard of course any family members would be there and friends..did we ever hear why they came back after the release of the MH and got the side door? that seemed kinda odd they did not take it before then all the media had been in there..

Seems very odd to me too...and they still haven't brought it back.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Seems very odd to me too...and they still haven't brought it back.

More than likely it will be used in a trial-

jmo

[Mel]

BBM
seeker..you know good and well that is NOT how the attorney stated it.
Is seems its all well and good for some to make such slanderous remarks about members of this family and then come back when CW steps in and puts a stop to it and then post they *want to stay on topic*...
when did Misty make the statement about *protective custody*..?
Link please...TIA

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../08/ng.01.html

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.

[aproudmom]

I'll be honest with you mom i don't think i've ever hear LE talk about the windows.

I'll go look at some old articles and see what i can find.

I can not remember either Justice I don't need a link I was just asking if you could remember if any was left open that night..all I can remember is the door and then did they not cut a piece of the wall out by the water heater also..it has been so long I can not remember...

[Motomom]

Justice, I have always questioned the front door and the windows. LE never that I recall said a word about them.

Hi Pan and all. Haven't checked the links section for anything new yet. But I wanted to comment that one of my theories has always been that someone did come in and take Haleigh, but they didn't come in that side door IMO, they only left that way. I don't remember anything ever being mentioned about the other door or windows. I'm sure they checked them. IF this was something well thought out, I don't doubt that someone would clean up behind themselves a bit. Just one of my thoughts. I feel like pulling away from this case to be honest, but Haleigh brings me back.

[Motomom]

did they find any open? I know most of them have the latches so if it was closed it more than likely would have had to been open or broken...I am not saying I know what type of latch is on the windows I am just asking if it was ever reported one was open or broken...TIA..I still wonder why that side down instead of the front which was covered by the screened in porch you can see the neighbors house from that side door they are pretty close

I don't remember LE mentioning the windows at all, and never heard that any were open. It looks like it is very dark around there. I know there was a light, anyone know if that was on or off? I thought they had a big pole light there. Side door is closer to the woods I'd think. Could be why that door was used, even though it faces the neighbors.

I don't know, I go back and forth now on theories in this case. Then all the hoopla around it all, it's frustrating..

[Lqqkout]

I know Candy..it just gets so disgusting to read some of these post over and over and the horrible remarks said just at a whim...NO proof of anything...and then a few of the biggest abusers of the TOS come back and want to THEN use CW's words.....I posted one of the TOS the other day and was made fum of as being a *mod*....go figure..?????? unbelievable...IMO

I totally agree. When something slanderous is said about someone, there should be proof or don't say it. That is my motto. And I do believe that is what CW was saying to every one of us.

[Lqqkout]

I wonder what the holdup is bringing Lisa back to PC? Hopefully she will be transported on Monday.

[aproudmom]

Seems very odd to me too...and they still haven't brought it back.

This is O/T sorry but could you imagine renting that home knowing that baby was taken from there..I remember they said it has been rented now..that would have to be hard:sad:

[Lqqkout]

This is O/T sorry but could you imagine renting that home knowing that baby was taken from there..I remember they said it has been rented now..that would have to be hard:sad:

I, too wonder who would rent that house? When I bought my house 35 yrs ago, the owner died of emphysema in my living room after signing the P+S. Had to go through probate. It never bothered me, but friends were a little freaked, but I was buying. To rent this house, I would have looked elsewhere.

[Elle]

This is O/T sorry but could you imagine renting that home knowing that baby was taken from there..I remember they said it has been rented now..that would have to be hard:sad:


Here is a short video with 'Jane', the woman who now lives there.

Haleigh's Old Home Has New Tenant
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/faith/news-article.aspx?storyid=144115&catid=295

[aproudmom]

I don't remember LE mentioning the windows at all, and never heard that any were open. It looks like it is very dark around there. I know there was a light, anyone know if that was on or off? I thought they had a big pole light there. Side door is closer to the woods I'd think. Could be why that door was used, even though it faces the neighbors.

I don't know, I go back and forth now on theories in this case. Then all the hoopla around it all, it's frustrating..

BBM

I know ITA I think we hear something and think this could be the break in the case and then with in a couple days everything is quite and half of what we have heard we do not know if it is true I want to just pull my hair out sometimes..before this is over we will all be crazy and lets pray there is closure no matter what because little Haleigh needs Justice...

[Elle]

Speaking of windows, is it known what they had for coverings? i know Misty had mentioned taking down a blanket out of the window. I am curious if any were left bare, particularly a bedroom window. Did Tommy state he looked in a window? Did he ever state which room?

[Justice4all]

LE must think it is something to use if this ever gets solved and someone is brought to trial.

Wonder what 'evidence' was found on it?
Has to be something or why take it at all?

MOO

Do you remember the LE saying that Misty's story doesn't match up with the "evidence" at the house?

I wonder what they found........

[aproudmom]

Here is a short video with 'Jane', the woman who now lives there.

Haleigh's Old Home Has New Tenant
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/faith/news-article.aspx?storyid=144115&catid=295

oh thanks I had not seen it just read it appreciate it thanks Elle

[Lqqkout]

Do you remember the LE saying that Misty's story doesn't match up with the "evidence" at the house?

I wonder what they found........

Yes, LE did say that. Just another tidbit for inquiring minds. How I wish when Lisa returns LE will get new info out of her, but I have my doubts. I don't think Misty would be foolish enough to confide in her mother since I firmly believe Misty doesn't trust her as far as she can throw her. And I don't blame Misty one bit. I fear this case will go cold.

[aproudmom]

Do you remember the LE saying that Misty's story doesn't match up with the "evidence" at the house?

I wonder what they found........

oh I wish we knew think it could be the washing, the beds, the shirt? the door, I have no clue but wish we did..

[aproudmom]

Yes, LE did say that. Just another tidbit for inquiring minds. How I wish when Lisa returns LE will get new info out of her, but I have my doubts. I don't think Misty would be foolish enough to confide in her mother since I firmly believe Misty doesn't trust her as far as she can throw her. And I don't blame Misty one bit. I fear this case will go cold.

I think me and you said that the other night we was so worried it would go cold soon if there was not some sort of break..I am not so sure Lisa will be much help but guess we shall see...

[aproudmom]

I know the letter turned in the other day they said they checked it out do we know did they do and dig there IIRC I never heard they did just that all tips had been followed up on and it did not lead to anything..but I just got to thinking if someone dug a hole surely LE would have noticed disturbed ground that day that would be something I would think they would notice a 4 feet hole in the back yard...I am guessing it might have been from a psychic

[aproudmom]

Well I am off to bed everyone have a wonderful evening what is left of it....

Hope for Haleigh

[Texas48]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../08/ng.01.html

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.


You and everyone else is aware of how attornies speak Mel...I KNOW what Ron's attorney said on the NG show....I also know what LE has stated not once but several times..

The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case

http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a

[Texas48]

Do you remember the LE saying that Misty's story doesn't match up with the "evidence" at the house?

I wonder what they found........
This article says alittle about the evidence that was found..

FDLE processed the crime scene..

http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a

[Elle]

The only thing I've heard of on the inside would be the unmade bed.
She says she was asleep in it but LE and Ron hint it was made.

Believe it or not... that doesn't surprise me... if she lay on top of the covers and 'passed out'...

The bed may not have had many wrinkles in that case.
IMO speaking from experience. :mellow:

The dirty clothes in the dryer is maybe a problem?
But if Misty was expecting company... she may have shoved everything in there tidying up. KWIM?

MOO

What constitutes a made bed, to me it is fitted sheet, top sheet, blanket and possibly comforter. To my 16 year old daughter it is a fitted sheet, to my mom its the full deal tightly pulled, bounce a quarter, hospital corners ect. What one person considers a made bed may differ from anothers. I agree though that a bed can be made and a person can just crash on top of it.
if there was a full made bed, then what would be the purpose of all the blanket washing? hers went in the van, the one in the window came down to be washed along w/ Haleighs she said.
The whole thing seems so crazy and confusing, I am still not sure where it is that Haleigh slept, did she tell the responding officer that they were all in the same bed? I feel as though that is what i read. Could the officer have possibly made any mistakes in writing the report? I wish they audio taped the first reports so as to rule out any and all possibility of mistakes.
The laundry thing confuses me too, I wish LE would release more info, as it stands now it is too confusing. It seems as though it should be so simple, I really wonder if things just arn't somehow getting lost in translation so to speak.
imoo

[Justice4all]

The only thing I've heard of on the inside would be the unmade bed.
She says she was asleep in it but LE and Ron hint it was made.

Believe it or not... that doesn't surprise me... if she lay on top of the covers and 'passed out'...

The bed may not have had many wrinkles in that case.
IMO speaking from experience. :mellow:

The dirty clothes in the dryer is maybe a problem?
But if Misty was expecting company... she may have shoved everything in there tidying up. KWIM?

MOO


I know exactly what you mean. Was the company a male "friend" or did she want it to look tidy for when GGMS came over......That's my only question....

[Justice4all]

I'm going to guess a male. IF she had friends over.
IMO that male's identity is what Misty is desperately hiding from Ron.

That is assuming she had company and wasn't simply sound asleep.

MOO

Yeah i have this gut feeling she had some male companionship that night.


moo

[Zeus]

Yeah i have this gut feeling she had some male companionship that night.


moo

I have a feeling you're right. I also have a feeling the guy was wearing dark colored clothing---- possibly black. KWIM?

[tia marie]

I'm so glad Coldwater made the decision to have a coffee break earlier, seems things were getting too heated. I bet CW makes a great cup of coffee, and she always seems to know when its time to take a break.

Having said that, let me ask something that's been on my mind since the first MH walkthru. Haleigh's mattress on the floor shows a king size pillow, is this what is normal for a five year old? KING size? For a five year old?

[seeker]

LE must think it is something to use if this ever gets solved and someone is brought to trial.

Wonder what 'evidence' was found on it?
Has to be something or why take it at all?

MOO

Does anyone know if the door that LE eventually took is the same door that Ron is said to have punched that night?

[panman]

What constitutes a made bed, to me it is fitted sheet, top sheet, blanket and possibly comforter. To my 16 year old daughter it is a fitted sheet, to my mom its the full deal tightly pulled, bounce a quarter, hospital corners ect. What one person considers a made bed may differ from anothers. I agree though that a bed can be made and a person can just crash on top of it.
if there was a full made bed, then what would be the purpose of all the blanket washing? hers went in the van, the one in the window came down to be washed along w/ Haleighs she said.
The whole thing seems so crazy and confusing, I am still not sure where it is that Haleigh slept, did she tell the responding officer that they were all in the same bed? I feel as though that is what i read. Could the officer have possibly made any mistakes in writing the report? I wish they audio taped the first reports so as to rule out any and all possibility of mistakes.
The laundry thing confuses me too, I wish LE would release more info, as it stands now it is too confusing. It seems as though it should be so simple, I really wonder if things just arn't somehow getting lost in translation so to speak.imoo

Bolded and blue by me

Good post and I think that in a nutshell explains it.

[tia marie]

Does anyone know if the door that LE eventually took is the same door that Ron is said to have punched that night?



I don't think its ever been made clear if it was a door or a wall seeker.

btw, enjoy your posts.

[panman]

I'm so glad Coldwater made the decision to have a coffee break earlier, seems things were getting too heated. I bet CW makes a great cup of coffee, and she always seems to know when its time to take a break.

Having said that, let me ask something that's been on my mind since the first MH walkthru. Haleigh's mattress on the floor shows a king size pillow, is this what is normal for a five year old? KING size? For a five year old?

I'm sure CW does make a great cup and I wonder where is mine?

I'm not sure what difference it makes pillow wise. Maybe they are all that size.

[tia marie]

What constitutes a made bed, to me it is fitted sheet, top sheet, blanket and possibly comforter. To my 16 year old daughter it is a fitted sheet, to my mom its the full deal tightly pulled, bounce a quarter, hospital corners ect. What one person considers a made bed may differ from anothers. I agree though that a bed can be made and a person can just crash on top of it.
if there was a full made bed, then what would be the purpose of all the blanket washing? hers went in the van, the one in the window came down to be washed along w/ Haleighs she said.
The whole thing seems so crazy and confusing, I am still not sure where it is that Haleigh slept, did she tell the responding officer that they were all in the same bed? I feel as though that is what i read. Could the officer have possibly made any mistakes in writing the report? I wish they audio taped the first reports so as to rule out any and all possibility of mistakes.
The laundry thing confuses me too, I wish LE would release more info, as it stands now it is too confusing. It seems as though it should be so simple, I really wonder if things just arn't somehow getting lost in translation so to speak.
imoo

Are you now implying that the "first responding officer" made a mistake ? Why would he do that?

[seeker]

I don't think its ever been made clear if it was a door or a wall seeker.

btw, enjoy your posts.

Thanks, and I appreciate your responding, Tia Marie. Guess I need to search for that information (whether a door or a wall), along with the stories I read about Misty stating that LE offered her protective custody and LE denying that such an offer was made.

I look forward to reading your posts as well.

[panman]

Are you now implying that the "first responding officer" made a mistake ? Why would he do that?

I didn't get that from the post. But like everyone, they are human and make mistakes. I thought it was a great idea and maybe they should all start carrying recorders. They do have them in cars now.

[Justice4all]

Does anyone know if the door that LE eventually took is the same door that Ron is said to have punched that night?



I thought they took the screen door not the actual door door. maybe i'm wrong.

[Elle]

I'm so glad Coldwater made the decision to have a coffee break earlier, seems things were getting too heated. I bet CW makes a great cup of coffee, and she always seems to know when its time to take a break.

Having said that, let me ask something that's been on my mind since the first MH walkthru. Haleigh's mattress on the floor shows a king size pillow, is this what is normal for a five year old? KING size? For a five year old?

I had not noticed that. I imagine there are things that are different in what we saw compared to what it may have been like on a day to day basis, we saw it after police had gone all through it and Marie and GGS cleaned it up. Maybe that is what she used, or maybe LE took her pillow and they just threw it on? I have no idea.

One thing that I have learned from my children is that nothing is normal. (at least not in my family).
imoo

[tia marie]

I'm sure CW does make a great cup and I wonder where is mine?

I'm not sure what difference it makes pillow wise. Maybe they are all that size.

I'm curious because most toddlers would not use a king size pillow, and trying to figure out what could be a staged scene, is where is Haleigh's own tot size pillow. One that most of her age would use, not a KING size. Where is Haleigh's pillow?

[Zeus]

I didn't get that from the post. But like everyone, they are human and make mistakes. I thought it was a great idea and maybe they should all start carrying recorders. They do have them in cars now.

I think it's a good idea too. The first responding officer could have made a mistake in his notes or the person transcribing the report could have made a mistake--it happens. Just like Lisa Croslin's arrest report---I believe her name was spelled Crosling. Just a mistake and nothing more.

[W_D_1]

I'm curious because most toddlers would not use a king size pillow, and trying to figure out what could be a staged scene, is where is Haleigh's own tot size pillow. One that most of her age would use, not a KING size. Where is Haleigh's pillow?


The walkthrough was done after LE released the house. IMO her pillow was taken for evidence testing.

[Justice4all]

The walkthrough was done after LE released the house. IMO her pillow was taken for evidence testing.

That's exactly what i think happen.

[titanfan217]

What constitutes a made bed, to me it is fitted sheet, top sheet, blanket and possibly comforter. To my 16 year old daughter it is a fitted sheet, to my mom its the full deal tightly pulled, bounce a quarter, hospital corners ect. What one person considers a made bed may differ from anothers. I agree though that a bed can be made and a person can just crash on top of it.
if there was a full made bed, then what would be the purpose of all the blanket washing? hers went in the van, the one in the window came down to be washed along w/ Haleighs she said.
The whole thing seems so crazy and confusing, I am still not sure where it is that Haleigh slept, did she tell the responding officer that they were all in the same bed? I feel as though that is what i read. Could the officer have possibly made any mistakes in writing the report? I wish they audio taped the first reports so as to rule out any and all possibility of mistakes.
The laundry thing confuses me too, I wish LE would release more info, as it stands now it is too confusing. It seems as though it should be so simple, I really wonder if things just arn't somehow getting lost in translation so to speak.
imoo

Ron originally said they were sleeping in the same bed, then it was later changed to the 2 beds.

[tia marie]

The walkthrough was done after LE released the house. IMO her pillow was taken for evidence testing.

Ya think? Or is it missing? So you agree the toddler mattress on the floor was staged? I never beleived all four slept together in one room night after night. Ron wouldn't, I would think, for propriety sake want his children sleeping alongside him. That particular night, for whatever reason, was an exception to the rule. And yes, i am of the thinking that Haleigh and Junior were on the queen size bed, and the toddler mattress was moved into the master bedroom as a prop.

Pillows have been known to suffocate, as an after thought.

[Justice4all]

Ron originally said they were sleeping in the same bed, then it was later changed to the 2 beds.

Ron repeated what he was told. but i'm sure you knew that. right?

[Justice4all]

Ya think? Or is it missing? So you agree the toddler mattress on the floor was staged? I never beleived all four slept together in one room night after night. Ron wouldn't, I would think, for propriety sake want his children sleeping alongside him. That particular night, for whatever reason, was an exception to the rule. And yes, i am of the thinking that Haleigh and Junior were on the queen size bed, and the toddler mattress was moved into the master bedroom as a prop.

Pillows have been known to suffocate, as an after thought.

well the LE sure haven't said a pillow was missing so how would any of us here know if it was missing or not.

and do you think misty and ron staged the house before LE got there? or do you think TN put the toddler bed on the floor for the media?

[tia marie]

well the LE sure haven't said a pillow was missing so how would any of us here know if it was missing or not.

and do you think misty and ron staged the house before LE got there? or do you think TN put the toddler bed on the floor for the media?

We don't know if there is a missing pillow. But in all honestly, can you imagine Haleigh pillow du jour, being a king size one? Really?

As to your second questions, yes and yes.

moo

[W_D_1]

Ya think? Or is it missing? So you agree the toddler mattress on the floor was staged? I never beleived all four slept together in one room night after night. Ron wouldn't, I would think, for propriety sake want his children sleeping alongside him. That particular night, for whatever reason, was an exception to the rule. And yes, i am of the thinking that Haleigh and Junior were on the queen size bed, and the toddler mattress was moved into the master bedroom as a prop.

Pillows have been known to suffocate, as an after thought.


I have no doubt all of the bedding from her bed, pillow included, was taken by LE and is sitting in an evidence room somewhere.

I don't think the bed was staged. I've plenty of people who have their childrens beds and/or mattresses on the floor in the master bedroom. In fact I saw it on a recent episode of Cribs on MTV in a football players home.

I'm sure by now the police know if Haleigh's bed was there on a regular basis or not. Junior is old enough to answer that question.

[tia marie]

I have no doubt all of the bedding from her bed, pillow included, was taken by LE and is sitting in an evidence room somewhere.

I don't think the bed was staged. I've plenty of people who have their childrens beds and/or mattresses on the floor in the master bedroom. In fact I saw it on a recent episode of Cribs on MTV in a football players home.

I'm sure by now the police know if Haleigh's bed was there on a regular basis or not. Junior is old enough to answer that question.

Really? So why didn't Teresa and Mrs. Sykes just show the toddler mattress sans the pillow?

[emmaleah]

We don't know if there is a missing pillow. But in all honestly, can you imagine Haleigh pillow du jour, being a king size one? Really?

As to your second questions, yes and yes.

moo


In what time frame do you think Ron assisted in staging the scene?

[Justice4all]

We don't know if there is a missing pillow. But in all honestly, can you imagine Haleigh pillow du jour, being a king size one? Really?

As to your second questions, yes and yes.

moo

My six year old grandson loves my king size feather pillows so last summer i gave him one and he uses it. Even took it camping last weekend.

So you feel like Ron got off work, went and got beer and cigarettes and came home staged the house and then called 911?

[tia marie]

In what time frame do you think Ron assisted in staging the scene?

How long does it take to drag a tot mattress in a motor home from one room to another?

[Justice4all]

Really? So why didn't Teresa and Mrs. Sykes just show the toddler mattress sans the pillow?

Maybe because they wanted to show the world what the room looked like the night Haleigh went missing...........

[Justice4all]

How long does it take to drag a tot mattress in a motor home from one room to another?

But why would he do that? Are you saying he knew Haleigh was missing before he got home?

[W_D_1]

Maybe because they wanted to show the world what the room looked like the night Haleigh went missing...........


Which is probably what the media asked to see.

[Justice4all]

Which is probably what the media asked to see.

Yep that's exactly what i suspect happen.

[penny]

I have a question that is a little off topic but it has always bothered me and I have never really found any answers yet.

What could the evidence be that LE has that makes them so sure Misty was not at home the night Haleigh disappeared? It is not someone saying she was not home because if that were the reason I do not think LE would be asking for anyone that seen Misty out of the home to please contact LE. So, what could it be and does anyone have any ideas?

[W_D_1]

I have a question that is a little off topic but it has always bothered me and I have never really found any answers yet.

What could the evidence be that LE has that makes them so sure Misty was not at home the night Haleigh disappeared? It is not someone saying she was not home because if that were the reason I do not think LE would be asking for anyone that seen Misty out of the home to please contact LE. So, what could it be and does anyone have any ideas?


They didnt say they had evidence she wasn't home that night. They said the evidence they have contradicts her claims. I think the bed being made is part of that evidence. I also think the tip they got within the first month saying she wasn't home that night could also be part of it.

[Justice4all]

I have a question that is a little off topic but it has always bothered me and I have never really found any answers yet.

What could the evidence be that LE has that makes them so sure Misty was not at home the night Haleigh disappeared? It is not someone saying she was not home because if that were the reason I do not think LE would be asking for anyone that seen Misty out of the home to please contact LE. So, what could it be and does anyone have any ideas?

Hi Penny, Welcome to the group.
I think LE found some kind of physical evidence at the home.....Not sure what though.

[CanCan]

Ya think? Or is it missing? So you agree the toddler mattress on the floor was staged? I never beleived all four slept together in one room night after night. Ron wouldn't, I would think, for propriety sake want his children sleeping alongside him. That particular night, for whatever reason, was an exception to the rule. And yes, i am of the thinking that Haleigh and Junior were on the queen size bed, and the toddler mattress was moved into the master bedroom as a prop.

Pillows have been known to suffocate, as an after thought.

:drool: OK, now you've got my attention! Cuz I recall seeing a pretty bedframe in Haleigh's room, and I thought, what the hay is the little girl sleeping on the floor for???

jmo

[CanCan]

Really? So why didn't Teresa and Mrs. Sykes just show the toddler mattress sans the pillow?

:wink: Exactly. How come they didn't?

jmo

[Elle]

Ya think? Or is it missing? So you agree the toddler mattress on the floor was staged? I never beleived all four slept together in one room night after night. Ron wouldn't, I would think, for propriety sake want his children sleeping alongside him. That particular night, for whatever reason, was an exception to the rule. And yes, i am of the thinking that Haleigh and Junior were on the queen size bed, and the toddler mattress was moved into the master bedroom as a prop.

Pillows have been known to suffocate, as an after thought.

I do not see the benefit in that at all. Ron could have easily just said he moves them to their rooms when he gets home. If I were staging a scene, i wouldn't move a bed into the master bedroom, I would move it out and state she was in her own room and she was taken, I wouldn't stage a scene by placing her with 2 other people who could have woken up.
imoo

[Justice4all]

:drool: OK, now you've got my attention! Cuz I recall seeing a pretty bedframe in Haleigh's room, and I thought, what the hay is the little girl sleeping on the floor for???

jmo

My husband was in the military and i remember all my children used to like to get their sleeping bags and come into my room on sat nights and sleep on the floor and watch scary movies with me all night.

I remember after Elizabeth was kidnapped her parents talked about ALL their children would want to sleep in their bedroom.........

I don't know a child anywhere in the world at some time didn't want to sleep in their parents room.


MOO

[CanCan]

My six year old grandson loves my king size feather pillows so last summer i gave him one and he uses it. Even took it camping last weekend.

So you feel like Ron got off work, went and got beer and cigarettes and came home staged the house and then called 911?

:glare: If Ronald made 20 calls to Misty, and called Tommy to see if Misty was there -- I think it's safe to assume that Ronald was anxious concerning Misty's whereabouts/his children's welfare.

Not only did Ronald not leave work early to go home to see if everbody was OK......nor did Ronald call LE to request a well-being check at his house............Ronald made the time to stop on the way home for beer and smokes.

So, ya. I believe that Ronald was capable of staging the toddler bed when he arrived home with the goodies. Peanuts, too, IIRC.

omo

[Justice4all]

Not sure why anyone would want to believe the seen was staged.

Wouldn't the whole kidnap thing sound better if they said Haleigh was sleeping in her own room?

[MysticFlower]

:drool: OK, now you've got my attention! Cuz I recall seeing a pretty bedframe in Haleigh's room, and I thought, what the hay is the little girl sleeping on the floor for???

jmo

There was a child's bedframe propped up in one of the other bedrooms with no mattress. Grandma Sykes stated that Haleigh nor Junior would sleep in their rooms; they were afraid. So both children slept in Ron's bedroom.

[Justice4all]

:glare: If Ronald made 20 calls to Misty, and called Tommy to see if Misty was there -- I think it's safe to assume that Ronald was anxious concerning Misty's whereabouts/his children's welfare.

Not only did Ronald not leave work early to go home to see if everbody was OK......nor did Ronald call LE to request a well-being check at his house............Ronald made the time to stop on the way home for beer and smokes.

So, ya. I believe that Ronald was capable of staging the toddler bed when he arrived home with the goodies. Peanuts, too, IIRC.

omo

Why would Ron call LE just because his gf didn't answer the phone? There has been a many of day my hubby and i have had words and i've turned my phone off and he's never called LE.

I don't think Ron thought anything bad was going to happen i think he just thought she was acting like a childish brat.

MOO

[Elle]

Not sure why anyone would want to believe the seen was staged.

Wouldn't the whole kidnap thing sound better if they said Haleigh was sleeping in her own room?

Thats exactly what I questioned a couple of posts up in my reply to tia marie.

[W_D_1]

:glare: If Ronald made 20 calls to Misty, and called Tommy to see if Misty was there -- I think it's safe to assume that Ronald was anxious concerning Misty's whereabouts/his children's welfare.

Not only did Ronald not leave work early to go home to see if everbody was OK......nor did Ronald call LE to request a well-being check at his house............Ronald made the time to stop on the way home for beer and smokes.

So, ya. I believe that Ronald was capable of staging the toddler bed when he arrived home with the goodies. Peanuts, too, IIRC.

omo


Most people can't just up and leave work. If there isn't a real emergency they face losing their jobs and a fight with a girlfriend isn't an emergency.

Tommy is the only one saying Ron asked him to go check on Misty. He is also the only one who claimed Misty wanted them to come get her the night of the fight. His own parents contradicted him when they said they were just going to check on her. It appears that not telling the truth runs in the Croslin family.

[CanCan]

Why would Ron call LE just because his gf didn't answer the phone? There has been a many of day my hubby and i have had words and i've turned my phone off and he's never called LE.

I don't think Ron thought anything bad was going to happen i think he just thought she was acting like a childish brat.

MOO

BOLD

:thumbdown: Because Misty was in charge of Ronald's 2 young children. Ronald was irresponsible not to check on the welfare of his children.

jmo

[Justice4all]

BOLD

:thumbdown: Because Misty was in charge of Ronald's 2 young children. Ronald was irresponsible not to check on the welfare of his children.

jmo

I was in charge of my husbands 4 children and he never called LE to come check on me when i got upset and shut my phone off. Was that irresponsible of him?

[teresa]

Does anyone have the scanner on? I think they just had a call to TN's street.

[Justice4all]

Does anyone have the scanner on? I think they just had a call to TN's street.

Probably a typical night in Putnam County

[Amy]

There was a child's bedframe propped up in one of the other bedrooms with no mattress. Grandma Sykes stated that Haleigh nor Junior would sleep in their rooms; they were afraid. So both children slept in Ron's bedroom.

IIRC, there was also mention that since it was very recent that they had moved into that house, they had not unpacked everything, and there was other stuff in that room, and they had not set up the kids' beds yet.

[CANDYKISSES]

:drool: OK, now you've got my attention! Cuz I recall seeing a pretty bedframe in Haleigh's room, and I thought, what the hay is the little girl sleeping on the floor for???

jmo

Just maybe because she was afraid of the DARK as was stated by several family members IIRC. :unsure:

[tia marie]

Does anyone have the scanner on? I think they just had a call to TN's street.

I didn't hear about that, but it was a wild night on the scanner, you just couldn't make this stuff up.

[CANDYKISSES]

BOLD

:thumbdown: Because Misty was in charge of Ronald's 2 young children. Ronald was irresponsible not to check on the welfare of his children.

jmo

So if I have a bee in my bonnet, and don't feel like talking (thereby shutting my phone off) to my S/Other aka father of the children, he should then go from there to a welfare check by LE??????

Really Can Can, are you serious? :confused:

[tia marie]

IIRC, there was also mention that since it was very recent that they had moved into that house, they had not unpacked everything, and there was other stuff in that room, and they had not set up the kids' beds yet.

Recent? As in November?

[Scampi]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../08/ng.01.html

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.

Wow, I am just seeing this less then a ringing endorsement by cumming's attorney. What an amazing statement, but I think it's a truthful one. imo.

[tia marie]

So if I have a bee in my bonnet, and don't feel like talking (thereby shutting my phone off) to my S/Other aka father of the children, he should then go from there to a welfare check by LE??????

Really Can Can, are you serious? :confused:


I suppose if you had just returned from a three day bender and your "S/Other aka Father" was leery of what you might pull next, then yes, the responsible thing would be to leave work and check yourself, or call for a wellness check. FLMA protects anyone that finds it necessary to have to leave their employment for such a reason. IMO, Ron wouldn't have lost his job for such a need.

[Scampi]

I suppose if you had just returned from a three day bender and your "S/Other aka Father" was leery of what you might pull next, then yes, the responsible thing would be to leave work and check yourself, or call for a wellness check. FLMA protects anyone that finds it necessary to have to leave their employment for such a reason. IMO, Ron wouldn't have lost his job for such a need.

If the choice is checking on my kid's well being or staying at work, I sure know what my choice would be.

[MomofaMarine]

If the choice is checking on my kid's well being or staying at work, I sure know what my choice would be.



ITA Scampi! My kids come first and always will!

[Viva4Haleigh]

IIRC, there was also mention that since it was very recent that they had moved into that house, they had not unpacked everything, and there was other stuff in that room, and they had not set up the kids' beds yet.

They lived there for over two months- I think that sufficient time to make sure your child has proper bedding-

[2boysMom]

Wow, I am just seeing this less then a ringing endorsement by cumming's attorney. What an amazing statement, but I think it's a truthful one. imo.

He was at the top of the list initially in the investigation as are all immediate family members in such cases. He is now at the bottom of the list because they know he has nothing to do with HaLeigh being missing and is not a suspect. What's so amazing?

As always, I'm praying for you and your family, sweet HaLeigh.

[Viva4Haleigh]

He was at the top of the list initially in the investigation as are all immediate family members in such cases. He is now at the bottom of the list because they know he has nothing to do with HaLeigh being missing and is not a suspect. What's so amazing?

As always, I'm praying for you and your family, sweet HaLeigh.

Its amazing, or maybe gives better insight into the fact the LE can tell the public one thing, and someone like Rons lawyer a totally other thing- We dont know how long the list is- I dont think its a list of a thousand people and Ron is on the bottom- had he been so iron clad, he wouldn't even be on a list, but something is worrying the LE enough where they cant clear him, and the Lawyer says its because unless they were with him all night, they cant rule him out, so to me that shows there isnt some camera at PDM that captures Ron on it for his whole shift-

jmo

[Dunlurken]

:rose: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC :rose:

Thank you for always posting this link. I'm off to read the rest of the thread now.

[panman]

Its amazing, or maybe gives better insight into the fact the LE can tell the public one thing, and someone like Rons lawyer a totally other thing- We dont know how long the list is- I dont think its a list of a thousand people and Ron is on the bottom- had he been so iron clad, he wouldn't even be on a list, but something is worrying the LE enough where they cant clear him, and the Lawyer says its because unless they were with him all night, they cant rule him out, so to me that shows there isnt some camera at PDM that captures Ron on it for his whole shift-

jmo

What the amazing part, IMO, is they know Ron was at work, but because LE hasn't the proof of what crime occured other than Haleigh being missing, so its also my opinion that Ron and possibly Crystal are at the bottom of the list. Until LE finds Haleigh and can put the pieces of the puzzle together. IMO, nothing more to it.

[tia marie]

My son is 13 and he stills loves "camping" on the floor in my room..I don't see a thing wrong with that. IMO
For them to be all in one rom sleeping does not seem strange to me.

ETA..DS also likes to "camp out" in the living room on the weekends..I see no problem with that either.

Some experts disagree with your opinion.

http://www.wholefamily.com/aboutyourkids/child/cosleeping.html

[Tracian]

Some experts disagree with your opinion.

http://www.wholefamily.com/aboutyourkids/child/cosleeping.html



So? Some may agree. The bottom line is that parents should have the right to raise their children the way they think is best as long as no laws are broke.

[panman]

Some experts disagree with your opinion.

http://www.wholefamily.com/aboutyourkids/child/cosleeping.html

IMO, experts and the gov't. overstep their boundaries and are not always correct. I see nothing wrong with a child sleeping in the parents room, whether on a mattress on the floor if they are scared or a sleeping bag. Does that mean that slumber parties and outdoor camping is out also?

[tia marie]

IMO, experts and the gov't. overstep their boundaries and are not always correct. I see nothing wrong with a child sleeping in the parents room, whether on a mattress on the floor if they are scared or a sleeping bag. Does that mean that slumber parties and outdoor camping is out also?

Occasionally, IMO, its okay, but not night after night.

[panman]

Occasionally, IMO, its okay, but not night after night.

But thats your opinion, and I believe it should be left up to individuals. I don't see where the harm comes into play.

[CFMom]

My son is 13 and he stills loves "camping" on the floor in my room..I don't see a thing wrong with that. IMO
For them to be all in one rom sleeping does not seem strange to me.

ETA..DS also likes to "camp out" in the living room on the weekends..I see no problem with that either.

The only problem I had with them sleeping together is Misty IS NOT these childrens mother and for her to have someones kid in bed with her to me was tacky..and to add to it her and the father slept in the same room. You dont bring your kids to bed with you and your gf. IMO

[CFMom]

Young kids in bed with their bio parents to me is different than being in bed with the dads gf or the father and his gf. Its my opinion Ron was VERY wrong to do that.

[CFMom]

Its amazing, or maybe gives better insight into the fact the LE can tell the public one thing, and someone like Rons lawyer a totally other thing- We dont know how long the list is- I dont think its a list of a thousand people and Ron is on the bottom- had he been so iron clad, he wouldn't even be on a list, but something is worrying the LE enough where they cant clear him, and the Lawyer says its because unless they were with him all night, they cant rule him out, so to me that shows there isnt some camera at PDM that captures Ron on it for his whole shift-

jmo

I am sure everyone in all families are on this list. Ron being at the bottom just proves my opinion so far is right on the money. Ron is innocent. Only thing is I wonder why Crystal and Ron both arent at the bottom?

[Viva4Haleigh]

I am sure everyone in all families are on this list. Ron being at the bottom just proves my opinion so far is right on the money. Ron is innocent. Only thing is I wonder why Crystal and Ron both arent at the bottom?

Not playing the game today cf- sorry-

[Elle]

I suppose if you had just returned from a three day bender and your "S/Other aka Father" was leery of what you might pull next, then yes, the responsible thing would be to leave work and check yourself, or call for a wellness check. FLMA protects anyone that finds it necessary to have to leave their employment for such a reason. IMO, Ron wouldn't have lost his job for such a need.

I never heard it stated that Ron was leery of what she might pull next.
I never heard it stated that when she watched the children she did anything other than a good job.
Many parents sometimes go out and go to parties or clubs where they may drink and go home and resume caring for their children. Many parents have had a few glasses of wine at home on occassion impairing their judgement even if only slightly while taking care of their children. Many parents have gone on a girls night out or a guys night out and drank and come home to take care of their children. Many parents have gone away for a few days and engaged in mind altering activities even if only drinking to come home and take care of their children. Many parents have fights w/ their so's and go to work. Some parents do not have phones and go to work.
Misty was gone over the weekend, allegedly engaging in drugs. She was home on sunday and was watching the kids on monday night. There was allegedly an argument over the phone around 8:30 that night. Allegedly she wanted to babysit for Tommy. It is said that Ron called Misty 20 times but she had turned off her phone. It is said that Ron called over at Tommy's to see if she had gone over. While many parents, and I happen to be one of them (though that was not always the case) may freak out and panic and go home to check on the children or call LE to have them do a welfare check, there are many who do not react in that manner, many that do not assume that turning off a phone means something horrible, even after an argument.

Might he have just thought she was home because she was not at Tommy's and she was just not answering the phone? Yes, you can make an argument that if he went home, maybe he would have found Misty gone, but what if he went home and just saw her sitting there, kids in bed, her phone shut off. I would think he would then have to return to work and then what, would that have prevented Haleigh going missing later that evening? What if he showed up at 9:15 and she left at 9:30? What if she never left at all? Say he came home and she was gone, well then what, he could drive around trying to find her, but what if she was not at any of the places he looked? What if something already happened to Haleigh by the time he found her? What if he never found her? What if, if only, would have, should have
moo

[CFMom]

Not playing the game today cf- sorry-

I dont call discussing this case a game Viva. I take a missing child to be a serious thing myself. Sorry if you see it as a game.

[panman]

Not playing the game today cf- sorry-

IMO, your out of line viva. Its her opinion, isn't that what we are here for?

CFMom, I agree a parent and a bf/gf should not have kids in their bed when they are in it together. But when Ron came home we don't know if he relaxed, watched tv, and maybe fell asleep on the couch.
jmo

[CFMom]

IMO, your out of line viva. Its her opinion, isn't that what we are here for?

CFMom, I agree a parent and a bf/gf should not have kids in their bed when they are in it together. But when Ron came home we don't know if he relaxed, watched tv, and maybe fell asleep on the couch.
jmo

I agree. We dont know AND the sleeping places arent what made Haleigh go missing so maybe it falls under what CW calls NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

[titanfan217]

IMO, your out of line viva. Its her opinion, isn't that what we are here for?

CFMom, I agree a parent and a bf/gf should not have kids in their bed when they are in it together. But when Ron came home we don't know if he relaxed, watched tv, and maybe fell asleep on the couch.
jmo

How does where Ron sleep have anything to do with HaLeigh going missing? I thought he was at work.

[Elle]

But thats your opinion, and I believe it should be left up to individuals. I don't see where the harm comes into play.

I agree. My goodness, Haleigh was only 5. Many parents do not have a problem with it, many 'experts' do not have a problem w/ it, and in some cultures it is the norm.

moo

[CFMom]

How does where Ron sleep have anything to do with HaLeigh going missing? I thought he was at work.

Yes Ron was at work. I was referring to when he got home and went to bed. But I dont see where Haleigh slept to have anything to do with her missing , actually she should have been safer in her dads bedroom.

ETA: My comment was to the fact he lived and slept with his gf , and having the kids there was in my opinion not right.

[Dunlurken]

But thats your opinion, and I believe it should be left up to individuals. I don't see where the harm comes into play.

My grand daughter has a toddler bed, just like Haleigh. She goes to sleep in her bed, but then gets into a king size bed with her Mom. It's not so bad, because she gets afraid of the "shadows" produced from the night lights.

My point is that whatever makes a child happy and sleep is what's important. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I agree. We dont know AND the sleeping places arent what made Haleigh go missing so maybe it falls under what CW calls NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

^5. Exactly, is none of our business and has nothing to do with where's Haleigh. JMO.

[tia marie]

[QUOTE=Elle;13530298 *post snipped for brevity, respectfully*



Might he have just thought she was home because she was not at Tommy's and she was just not answering the phone? Yes, you can make an argument that if he went home, maybe he would have found Misty gone, but what if he went home and just saw her sitting there, kids in bed, her phone shut off. I would think he would then have to return to work and then what, would that have prevented Haleigh going missing later that evening? What if he showed up at 9:15 and she left at 9:30? What if she never left at all? Say he came home and she was gone, well then what, he could drive around trying to find her, but what if she was not at any of the places he looked? What if something already happened to Haleigh by the time he found her? What if he never found her? What if, if only, would have, should have
moo[/QUOTE]

What if? What if Misty never lived at that Green Ln. address? Would Haleigh still have gone missing?

[W_D_1]

Obviously DCF didn't have a problem with the children sleeping in Ron's room and since that information was public knowledge we know they knew about it. :shrug:

[Dunlurken]

What if? What if Misty never lived at that Green Ln. address? Would Haleigh still have gone missing?
Please learn how to quote. TIA.

[tia marie]

^5. Exactly, is none of our business and has nothing to do with where's Haleigh. JMO.

I disagree with you there Dunlurken. It became our business when Ron, Misty, Teresa and Mrs. Sykes made it a big *to do* about where the children slept. Their stories are now part of this case, and IMO, probably one of the inconsistencies LE is trying to figure out.

[Viva4Haleigh]

How does where Ron sleep have anything to do with HaLeigh going missing? I thought he was at work.

It has nothing to do with anything, and if someone thinks I am out of line for not discussing something irrelevant, so be it!!

[Dunlurken]

Obviously DCF didn't have a problem with the children sleeping in Ron's room and since that information was public knowledge we know they knew about it. :shrug:
Quite honestly, that's why my grand daughter sleeps with her Mom. So she doesn't get stolen. You can't be too careful these days even in a secure apartment building, much less a trailer. Called Paranoia. LOL.

However, back to what happened to Haleigh? LE doesn't seem to have a clue, no one does except the perp who took her. At this point no one knows who it is. JMO. Unless LE is holding things very close to their vest, which is a good possibility.

[tia marie]

Please learn how to quote. TIA.

Sorry, I know how to quote. That particular post was too long to respond to. I was following CW's instruction to snip long posts. It just didn't come out right.

[Elle]

What if? What if Misty never lived at that Green Ln. address? Would Haleigh still have gone missing?

I don't know.

[Dunlurken]

Sorry, I know how to quote. That particular post was too long to respond to. I was following CW's instruction to snip long posts. It just didn't come out right.Okay. Gotcha.

What you do is quote the entire post, highlight and delete the part you aren't responding to.

[panman]

How does where Ron sleep have anything to do with HaLeigh going missing? I thought he was at work.

I have no clue. Tia brought it up and off it went.

[panman]

What if? What if Misty never lived at that Green Ln. address? Would Haleigh still have gone missing?

I suppose you could ask the families of all missing children "What if we didn't live at this address". Sorry, not making sense to me. LE still has not said what they believe the truth is, that I know of.

[tia marie]

Okay. Gotcha.

What you do is quote the entire post, highlight and delete the part you aren't responding to.

Thanks that's what I attempted to do, but something backfired. I'm not infallable, YET.

[Dunlurken]

Thanks that's what I attempted to do, but something backfired. I'm not infallable, YET.

You have to be real careful about the bracket things "] " Those can really screw up your post. Also be sure to say "snipped to address".

Okay, done with the tutorial.

I'm really concerned this case is going cold. JMO.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Until we find out what happened to and with HaLeigh... her position in the home 'may be' an issue.
Time will tell.

As to the second part of your sentenance, May I ask a question?

If you decline to "discuss something irrelevent" why post to say so?


MOO

Seriously, if you have concerns with me, lets spare the board and take it to pm- TIA

[Dunlurken]

Heck, at this point, we don't know what's relevant or irrelevant. Where the children sleep is either of importance or not important. I think where they usually slept is important. I notice the mattress (Haleigh's) was taken off her toddler bed and placed on the floor in Ron's bedroom. Because she was afraid of the dark and needed to sleep close to someone to feel safe. Not unusual for a 5-year old. JMO.

[tia marie]

You have to be real careful about the bracket things "] " Those can really screw up your post. Also be sure to say "snipped to address".

Okay, done with the tutorial.

I'm really concerned this case is going cold. JMO.

Only if LE drops the ball will it go cold. Right now they seem to have a disruption between the two families going on. The pressure is mounting, it might just be what this case needs. Hank Sr. was calling 911 last night, in fact 3 times, according to the scanner. People involved that may have some clues seem to be on edge.


moo

[panman]

I disagree with you there Dunlurken. It became our business when Ron, Misty, Teresa and Mrs. Sykes made it a big *to do* about where the children slept. Their stories are now part of this case, and IMO, probably one of the inconsistencies LE is trying to figure out.

A big *to do*? Maybe they were just telling it like it was.

[W_D_1]

Heck, at this point, we don't know what's relevant or irrelevant. Where the children sleep is either of importance or not important. I think where they usually slept is important. I notice the mattress (Haleigh's) was taken off her toddler bed and placed on the floor in Ron's bedroom. Because she was afraid of the dark and needed to sleep close to someone to feel safe. Not unusual for a 5-year old. JMO.


Especially a five year old who was scared of the dark and living in a new home.

[Elle]

Has there been any word if Tim is still planning on searching?

[Dunlurken]

Only if LE drops the ball will it go cold. Right now they seem to have a disruption between the two families going on. The pressure is mounting, it might just be what this case needs. Hank Sr. was calling 911 last night, in fact 3 times, according to the scanner. People involved that may have some clues seem to be on edge.


moo

Do you have a link to that?

[W_D_1]

Has there been any word if Tim is still planning on searching?



I haven't read anywhere that he wasn't and IMO if he'd changed his mind it would have made news somewhere.

[Elle]

I haven't read anywhere that he wasn't and IMO if he'd changed his mind it would have made news somewhere.

Thanks W, you are probably right.

[Dunlurken]

Has there been any word if Tim is still planning on searching?

No word from Tim that I'm aware of. Heck, he got bashed so much, I highly doubt he would get involved in this again. JMO.

[CFMom]

What if? What if Misty never lived at that Green Ln. address? Would Haleigh still have gone missing?

What does that have to do with the NOW? Why waste time guessing on what ifs?

[Themis]

I will always question why Ronald did not insist on leaving a lamp or light fixture ON during the dark hours knowing his precious daughter Haleigh was so fearful of the dark. Practically every family member stated Haleigh was very afraid of the dark and also afraid of water. Ron stated that the river was between 5 to 8 blocks from his home.

And yet Misty stated that she had turned off all lights before she went to bed herself -- versions vary from 10 to 11:00 P.M. Why? Leaving a light burning or the use of multiple small nightlights would cost no more than a pack or two of cigarettes.
According to a former renter, a minister/pastor, his son was also afraid of the dark and said the area was extremely dark -- no street lights, lots of trees and foliage that made it even darker. So, the minister installed that big outdoor light that can be seen in photos.

Ron was very detailed about buying a new deadbolt lock for that wood side/back door and installing it himself in a special way so that it was difficult to close and lock from the inside. Then, would it not have been difficult for a kidnapper to open even after the locked was picked?
Ron also stated he installed a lock too high for Haleigh to reach. During the mobile home tour Nancy Grace's producer showed that was not true. Why was that door such an issue with Ron -- he said he used it maybe twice?
He and Misty both have said they very rarely used it, yet Ron checked to ensure it was locked every afternoon before he left for work?
I have never read anything that has Ron talking about changing the lock on the front door.
[JMO * Themis]

[Dunlurken]

This should apply only to direct quotes, not what someone thinks someone said.



snipped to address:

That's why this case is going cold. We have no FACTS! Or, very few. JMO.

[tia marie]

Do you have a link to that?

How does one link to a scanner that was on real time hours ago? You would have to be tuned into the frequency at the time.

[Dunlurken]

I will always question why Ronald did not insist on leaving a lamp or light fixture ON during the dark hours knowing his precious daughter Haleigh was so fearful of the dark. Practically every family member stated Haleigh was very afraid of the dark and also afraid of water. Ron stated that the river was between 5 to 8 blocks from his home.

And yet Misty stated that she had turned off all lights before she went to bed herself -- versions vary from 10 to 11:00 P.M. Why? Leaving a light burning or the use of multiple small nightlights would cost no more than a pack or two of cigarettes.
According to a former renter, a minister/pastor, his son was also afraid of the dark and said the area was extremely dark -- no street lights, lots of trees and foliage that made it even darker. So, the minister installed that big outdoor light that can be seen in photos.

Ron was very detailed about buying a new deadbolt lock for that wood side/back door and installing it himself in a special way so that it was difficult to close and lock from the inside. Then, would it not have been difficult for a kidnapper to open even after the locked was picked?
Ron also stated he installed a lock too high for Haleigh to reach. During the mobile home tour Nancy Grace's producer showed that was not true. Why was that door such an issue with Ron -- he said he used it maybe twice?
He and Misty both have said they very rarely used it, yet Ron checked to ensure it was locked every afternoon before he left for work?
I have never read anything that has Ron talking about changing the lock on the front door.
[JMO * Themis]You make good points. If the side door was rarely used, why was it open that night? someone left that door open for a reason. don't know who yet. It obviously was unlocked from the inside. JMO.

[W_D_1]

I will always question why Ronald did not insist on leaving a lamp or light fixture ON during the dark hours knowing his precious daughter Haleigh was so fearful of the dark. Practically every family member stated Haleigh was very afraid of the dark and also afraid of water. Ron stated that the river was between 5 to 8 blocks from his home.

And yet Misty stated that she had turned off all lights before she went to bed herself -- versions vary from 10 to 11:00 P.M. Why? Leaving a light burning or the use of multiple small nightlights would cost no more than a pack or two of cigarettes.
According to a former renter, a minister/pastor, his son was also afraid of the dark and said the area was extremely dark -- no street lights, lots of trees and foliage that made it even darker. So, the minister installed that big outdoor light that can be seen in photos.

Ron was very detailed about buying a new deadbolt lock for that wood side/back door and installing it himself in a special way so that it was difficult to close and lock from the inside. Then, would it not have been difficult for a kidnapper to open even after the locked was picked?
Ron also stated he installed a lock too high for Haleigh to reach. During the mobile home tour Nancy Grace's producer showed that was not true. Why was that door such an issue with Ron -- he said he used it maybe twice?
He and Misty both have said they very rarely used it, yet Ron checked to ensure it was locked every afternoon before he left for work?
I have never read anything that has Ron talking about changing the lock on the front door.
[JMO * Themis]



A tv works just as well as a night light and Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes has said the tv was always left on IIRC.

[panman]

Do we know for sure they didn't have night lights? Thats all I use at night and you can't see them from outside.

[tia marie]

A tv works just as well as a night light and Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes has said the tv was always left on IIRC.

All the more reason why a stranger would hesitate to enter that bedroom if he heard voices from a TV. How would such a person know if someone was asleep or watching the TV?

[Dunlurken]

A tv works just as well as a night light and Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes has said the tv was always left on IIRC.

What do they know? Do they live there? JMO.

[W_D_1]

All the more reason why a stranger would hesitate to enter that bedroom if he heard voices from a TV. How would such a person know if someone was asleep or watching the TV?



Who said anything about voices? If a dvd was playing when the kids went to bed at the end of the movie it would have gone to the main menu. Not all movies have sound on the main menu. Then there is the possibility the volume was muted.

[Themis]

A tv works just as well as a night light and Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes has said the tv was always left on IIRC.
Yes, both TN and AS have said that. They have also said the bedroom door was always left open. Interesting that Ron's mother and grandmother know so much some of the time. And at other times they know so little. The phrase: "I don't really know" is used quite frequently. [JMO * Themis]

[W_D_1]

What do they know? Do they live there? JMO.



No they dont but they are the grandmother and great grandmother. If they ever babysat the kids they would know the normal nightly routines.

[W_D_1]

Yes, both TN and AS have said that. They have also said the bedroom door was always left open. Interesting that Ron's mother and grandmother know so much some of the time. And at other times they know so little. The phrase: "I don't really know" is used quite frequently. [JMO * Themis]


Like I just told Dunlurken....if they ever babysat the kids, at night, and imo I'm sure they have, they would know the nightly routine....nothing unusual about that.

[Dunlurken]

I agree.
Was it an earlier guest planning to return much later?

MOO

That's what I'm thinking. AC guy? Wasn't Tommy there earlier? Someone dropped off clothing for the kids around 7:00ish. Can't remember who at this point. JMO.

[W_D_1]

That's what I'm thinking. AC guy? Wasn't Tommy there earlier? Someone dropped off clothing for the kids around 7:00ish. Can't remember who at this point. JMO.

Annette Sykes dropped off clothes.

[Dunlurken]

Like I just told Dunlurken....if they ever babysat the kids, at night, and imo I'm sure they have, they would know the nightly routine....nothing unusual about that.
When I "babysit" I change the routine. Lights off, TV off. JMO.

[tia marie]

Yes, both TN and AS have said that. They have also said the bedroom door was always left open. Interesting that Ron's mother and grandmother know so much some of the time. And at other times they know so little. The phrase: "I don't really know" is used quite frequently. [JMO * Themis]

Another point IIRC, it was a full moon that night, and there is a skylight in the master bedroom. Takes a crusty stranger to steal a child under those conditions.


moo

[W_D_1]

When I "babysit" I change the routine. JMO.


Not all grandparents do though. If a child is scared of the dark and is used to a tv being on I'd leave a tv on because I don't have any nightlights. :shrug:

[emmaleah]

I do not see the benefit in that at all. Ron could have easily just said he moves them to their rooms when he gets home. If I were staging a scene, i wouldn't move a bed into the master bedroom, I would move it out and state she was in her own room and she was taken, I wouldn't stage a scene by placing her with 2 other people who could have woken up.
imoo

Exactly

I think they put a pillow on the bed to make it look like it did the night she disappeared. She would have had a pillow to sleep on.

[titanfan217]

I will always question why Ronald did not insist on leaving a lamp or light fixture ON during the dark hours knowing his precious daughter Haleigh was so fearful of the dark. Practically every family member stated Haleigh was very afraid of the dark and also afraid of water. Ron stated that the river was between 5 to 8 blocks from his home.

And yet Misty stated that she had turned off all lights before she went to bed herself -- versions vary from 10 to 11:00 P.M. Why? Leaving a light burning or the use of multiple small nightlights would cost no more than a pack or two of cigarettes.
According to a former renter, a minister/pastor, his son was also afraid of the dark and said the area was extremely dark -- no street lights, lots of trees and foliage that made it even darker. So, the minister installed that big outdoor light that can be seen in photos.

Ron was very detailed about buying a new deadbolt lock for that wood side/back door and installing it himself in a special way so that it was difficult to close and lock from the inside. Then, would it not have been difficult for a kidnapper to open even after the locked was picked?
Ron also stated he installed a lock too high for Haleigh to reach. During the mobile home tour Nancy Grace's producer showed that was not true. Why was that door such an issue with Ron -- he said he used it maybe twice?
He and Misty both have said they very rarely used it, yet Ron checked to ensure it was locked every afternoon before he left for work?
I have never read anything that has Ron talking about changing the lock on the front door.
[JMO * Themis]


I even read/heard at one time that the front door was often unlocked.

You're right about the other door -- too much info that doesn't even fit what we've seen. And from personal experience, if a dead bolt has been "picked", there is no question about it.

[W_D_1]

Another point IIRC, it was a full moon that night, and there is a skylight in the master bedroom. Takes a crusty stranger to steal a child under those conditions.


moo


Wasn't Polly Klaas kidnapped during a slumber party? And Jessica Lunsford was kidnapped with 2 adults and a dog in the house.

Pedophiles don't seem to care about the surroundings. All they care about is getting their target which is why I've never let go of a SO being responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.

[Elvish2]

Another point IIRC, it was a full moon that night, and there is a skylight in the master bedroom. Takes a crusty stranger to steal a child under those conditions.


moo


BBM

....to steal a child under any conditions IMO

[panman]

Another point IIRC, it was a full moon that night, and there is a skylight in the master bedroom. Takes a crusty stranger to steal a child under those conditions.

moo

And it happens. As someone just posted, sorry but forgot who, Westerfield got a ladder and climbed in a 2nd story window.

[CFMom]

And it happens. As someone just posted, sorry but forgot who, Westerfield got a ladder and climbed in a 2nd story window.

No he didnt. Westerfield came thru a garage door that had the locks turned backwards so the family could smoke pot in the garage.

[emmaleah]

BOLD

:thumbdown: Because Misty was in charge of Ronald's 2 young children. Ronald was irresponsible not to check on the welfare of his children.

jmo

But we do not know the whole story. What if Tommy checked and then told Ron everything was fine so he had no reason to be concerned

JMHOO

[Dunlurken]

Yep, how?
A family member or friend who knew about the TV being left on?

A family member of friend who knows Misty (maybe) sleeps hard?

Someone watching the comings and goings in that house?

A stranger, friend or a family member? Maybe sitting in a little camo chair behind the home...?

MOO
I keep wondering about that chair. I don't know what to think about it, and we haven't discussed it very much on this board. JMO.

[panman]

No he didnt. Westerfield came thru a garage door that had the locks turned backwards so the family could smoke pot in the garage.

LOL, I watched the trial and forget most of it but if it wasn't him using the ladder, whoever posted that did, please put out the name again. Sorry.

[Themis]

Another point IIRC, it was a full moon that night, and there is a skylight in the master bedroom. Takes a crusty stranger to steal a child under those conditions.

moo
Yes, it does. A stranger who picks just the right night, knows that the only *adult* home that night is exhausted for a variety of reasons and knows that person sleeps very soundly, enters a bedroom where 3 people are sleeping, knows that the little boy and the 'adult' won't wake up while he/she picks up a 5 year old girl sleeping only 4 feet away from them. That stranger does not even bother to turn off that bright kitchen light when they leave nor bothers to close either door. What a bold and lucky b.....d! [JMO * Themis]

[tia marie]

No he didnt. Westerfield came thru a garage door that had the locks turned backwards so the family could smoke pot in the garage.

Thanks for that, CF. When I read the other day about a ladder here, I was WHAT!!! That never happened in the VanDamme case. You are absolutely correct.

[CFMom]

LOL, I watched the trial and forget most of it but if it wasn't him using the ladder, whoever posted that did, please put out the name again. Sorry.

I dont know about a ladder. Sorry.

[tia marie]

Yes, it does. A stranger who picks just the right night, knows that the only *adult* home that night is exhausted for a variety of reasons and knows that person sleeps very soundly, enters a bedroom where 3 people are sleeping, knows that the little boy and the 'adult' won't wake up while he/she picks up a 5 year old girl sleeping only 4 feet away from them. That stranger does not even bother to turn off that bright kitchen light when they leave nor bothers to close either door. What a bold and lucky b.....d! [JMO * Themis]

Your post says it all Themis!!

[CFMom]

Thanks for that, CF. When I read the other day about a ladder here, I was WHAT!!! That never happened in the VanDamme case. You are absolutely correct.

First case I followed.

[CFMom]

Yes, it does. A stranger who picks just the right night, knows that the only *adult* home that night is exhausted for a variety of reasons and knows that person sleeps very soundly, enters a bedroom where 3 people are sleeping, knows that the little boy and the 'adult' won't wake up while he/she picks up a 5 year old girl sleeping only 4 feet away from them. That stranger does not even bother to turn off that bright kitchen light when they leave nor bothers to close either door. What a bold and lucky b.....d! [JMO * Themis]

AND that happens more than it should. Jesscia Lunsford is an example. She was taken by a neighbors pedo brother and kept days in his closet while LE searched close by.

[Dunlurken]

Yes, it does. A stranger who picks just the right night, knows that the only *adult* home that night is exhausted for a variety of reasons and knows that person sleeps very soundly, enters a bedroom where 3 people are sleeping, knows that the little boy and the 'adult' won't wake up while he/she picks up a 5 year old girl sleeping only 4 feet away from them. That stranger does not even bother to turn off that bright kitchen light when they leave nor bothers to close either door. What a bold and lucky b.....d! [JMO * Themis]

I think this is what happened. JMO. Called laying in wait. Now, if we just knew who it was. I'm curious why LE has cleared the AC guy. We don't even know his name do we?

[Dunlurken]

AND that happens more than it should. Jesscia Lunsford is an example. She was taken by a neighbors pedo brother and kept days in his closet while LE searched close by.

Heck, they searched the damm trailer, and she was right there in the closet ALIVE. :sad:

[panman]

Thanks for that, CF. When I read the other day about a ladder here, I was WHAT!!! That never happened in the VanDamme case. You are absolutely correct.

Why didn't you speak up then? Lol, I can't remember everything.

[Dunlurken]

Every time I bring it up posters compare it to 'something kids make' ... :shrug:

No discussion on what it could mean being found there.

I see it as a place to sit and watch.
A hiding spot.

Before someone brings up 'hunters'... :smile:

I have to ask myself... WHY THERE?
Why behind HaLeigh's house?

Since I'm not much on coincidences.. I have to wonder it's significance.

MOO I will admit I kind of poo-poo'd it because I didn't think it was significant. Now I have to wonder. JMO.

[panman]

Yes, it does. A stranger who picks just the right night, knows that the only *adult* home that night is exhausted for a variety of reasons and knows that person sleeps very soundly, enters a bedroom where 3 people are sleeping, knows that the little boy and the 'adult' won't wake up while he/she picks up a 5 year old girl sleeping only 4 feet away from them. That stranger does not even bother to turn off that bright kitchen light when they leave nor bothers to close either door. What a bold and lucky b.....d! [JMO * Themis]

But it does seem to happen and more often than the families of missing children wished.

[panman]

Every time I bring it up posters compare it to 'something kids make' ... :shrug:

No discussion on what it could mean being found there.

I see it as a place to sit and watch.
A hiding spot.

Before someone brings up 'hunters'... :smile:

I have to ask myself... WHY THERE?
Why behind HaLeigh's house?

Since I'm not much on coincidences.. I have to wonder it's significance.

MOO

Rucky, that is one of the things that is never far from my mind. I don't know of hunters hunting that close to property. Also on my mind, is C. Reynolds, K. Johns and his friends.

[Dunlurken]

<<<Snipped >>>



But he/she was wrong.
The little boy possibly did wake up.
He allegedly saw someone in black take his Sissy.

As for the light, why would he/she bother to turn it off... steps away from outside?

Luck apparently WAS on he/she's side. They've not been arrested.
Just saying...

MOOIf it had been a "family member" surely Jr. would have said so and so took my Sissy. JMO. Or, maybe it WAS too dark for Jr. to see who it was. No lights, no TV, etc. Just the light from the kitchen. hummmmmmm.

I would guess this is after Tommy left, if he ever went there. Still trying to figure that one out. JMO.

[tia marie]

Why didn't you speak up then? Lol, I can't remember everything.

I wasn't here at the exact time it was posted.

[Themis]

<<<Snipped >>>



But he/she was wrong.
The little boy possibly did wake up.
He allegedly saw someone in black take his Sissy.

As for the light, why would he/she bother to turn it off... steps away from outside?

Luck apparently WAS on he/she's side. They've not been arrested.
Just saying...

MOO
But his great grandmother, A.S., states clearly that Ron's young son told her that he didn't know anything and that he was asleep. A.S. also says they told her the young boy kept changing his story.


Here is the link to the printed article AND the video of A.S. recounting it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095#

[Viva4Haleigh]

But his great grandmother, A.S., states clearly that Ron's young son told her that he didn't know anything and that he was asleep. A.S. also says they told her the young boy kept changing his story.


Here is the link to the printed article AND the video of A.S. recounting it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095#

Pretty interesting- I am thinking more and more this was a child overdosing on sleeping medicine or something-

jmo

[FoxySly]

Every time I bring it up posters compare it to 'something kids make' ... :shrug:

No discussion on what it could mean being found there.

I see it as a place to sit and watch.
A hiding spot.

Before someone brings up 'hunters'... :smile:

I have to ask myself... WHY THERE?
Why behind HaLeigh's house?

Since I'm not much on coincidences.. I have to wonder it's significance.

MOO


R*R, that chair bothers me too so much that I saved the photo when it first was shown.

Spending a lot of my life living right by the Virgin River I seen many of those chairs made from the Willow Trees that grow wild there.
I seen some that could & did whip up a few willow chairs in very little time.
BUT, they are for sitting while fishing or camping & playing in the river, they weren't made to last very long (tho there are some made very well that are sold) & when camping, picnicking was done they were left.

I've deer hunted at least 20 seasons & I have never seen one of those types used for that but Florida deer hunting may be different.
In Texas (I do LOVE Texas) deer hunting is much different then way out West here. They have stands & put feed out. To me it looked like shooting fish in a barrel.

Those quickly made tree chair don't last long & I think it is in the Fall in most all states for legal deer hunting (October).
Maybe there is a place online where we could find out what Florida's deer hunting season is & if that area is legal as most states there are only certain areas now for deer hunting.

But also there are those wild boars that might be legal to hunt year round (I think they are in TX).

If that 'chair' had been next to the water I wouldn't of thought twice.

:confussed:

Sly

~

[Elle]

One of my latest theories is that Tommy unlocked the door when he was over earlier in the day, I think he set it up thinking Misty would be sitting for him. I do not think his original intention was to take Haleigh but rather maybe steal some item, maybe a bunch of items, maybe something big that would require a door being held open by say a cinderblock. I think his plan was foiled when Misty did not go over, then Ron called asking if she was there and he took that opportunity to go over and see if he could put his plan back into action. I think the trailor appeared dark and he assumed nobody was home as Ron did not get ahold of her.
I think he entered the door he unlocked and turned the light on as he thought nobody was home. I think he went into the master bedroom and noticed they were there, maybe Haleigh woke a little and recognized Tommy, maybe she did not wake at all, maybe she was used to her daddy making noise when he came home, maybe she was often moved to another spot so did not wake when she was picked up IDK, I don't think it strange that a 17 year old didn't wake up though. Maybe he wasn't alone, IDK, just theorizing, but maybe at some point he/they decided to take Haleigh?
IDK
Completely MOO mixed w/ theorizing.

[Elle]

Every time I bring it up posters compare it to 'something kids make' ... :shrug:

No discussion on what it could mean being found there.

I see it as a place to sit and watch.
A hiding spot.

Before someone brings up 'hunters'... :smile:

I have to ask myself... WHY THERE?
Why behind HaLeigh's house?

Since I'm not much on coincidences.. I have to wonder it's significance.

MOO

The chair definately gives me pause. Has it been stated if the previous tenants were asked about it? I wonder how long it was there, what direction it faced in and what exactly could be seen from it. From the picture I saw it did not look all that strong, but that doesn't mean it wasn't.

[FoxySly]

~

Here's a link to Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation
http://myfwc.com/recreation/hunt_index.aspx#

But my eyes are not working well enough today to read on pages I'm not familiar with.

Sly

~

[Themis]

Pretty interesting- I am thinking more and more this was a child overdosing on sleeping medicine or something-

jmo
Well, it has puzzled me that during that rather long 911 call there is no sound of a young frightened boy in the background. Wouldn't he have been frightened by his father's threats to the 911 operator? From all that I have read and heard there was a lot of loud talking by Ron.

Did the 4 year old sleep through the entire sequence of events and had to be awakened by either T.N. or A.S. when they arrived?

Misty said she searched that mobile home looking for Haleigh and in one of her many versions (I think it was one of the latest - the layered voice analysis or the so-called hypnosis) that both she and *XXX* were freaking out. Then Ron comes home and he searches the mobile home.

Did Ron and Misty tiptoe through the searches? Or, instead, were they running through that small home, hollering Haleigh's name, slamming closet doors, etc.?
[JMO * Themis]

[Viva4Haleigh]

Well, it has puzzled me that during that rather long 911 call there is no sound of a young frightened boy in the background. Wouldn't he have been frightened by his father's threats to the 911 operator? From all that I have read and heard there was a lot of loud talking by Ron.

Did the 4 year old sleep through the entire sequence of events and had to be awakened by either T.N. or A.S. when they arrived?

Misty said she searched that mobile home looking for Haleigh and in one of her many versions (I think it was one of the latest - the layered voice analysis or the so-called hypnosis) that both she and *XXX* were freaking out. Then Ron comes home and he searches the mobile home.

Did Ron and Misty tiptoe through the searches? Or, instead, were they running through that small home, hollering Haleigh's name, slamming closet doors, etc.?
[JMO * Themis]

Lots of great things to think about-

If that child slept through all that, then I find that very suspect- of course we have no idea, but there is no evidence of Junior ever mentioned on the 911 call- I would suspect that there is an element of fear when you discover a child missing- I dont think its a silent moment at all-

As for the hypnosis, I write everything off because I think it was all lies made up by someone pretending to be under and trying to trick the person giving the test-

jmo

[Elle]

Well, it has puzzled me that during that rather long 911 call there is no sound of a young frightened boy in the background. Wouldn't he have been frightened by his father's threats to the 911 operator? From all that I have read and heard there was a lot of loud talking by Ron.

Did the 4 year old sleep through the entire sequence of events and had to be awakened by either T.N. or A.S. when they arrived?

Misty said she searched that mobile home looking for Haleigh and in one of her many versions (I think it was one of the latest - the layered voice analysis or the so-called hypnosis) that both she and *XXX* were freaking out. Then Ron comes home and he searches the mobile home.

Did Ron and Misty tiptoe through the searches? Or, instead, were they running through that small home, hollering Haleigh's name, slamming closet doors, etc.?
[JMO * Themis]

I wish it was noted in the report where Jr. was and if he was awake or asleep at the time. TN and GGS arrived after so I assume if he were sleeping and awoken by one of them it would be known by LE?
imo

[tia marie]

I wish it was noted in the report where Jr. was and if he was awake or asleep at the time. TN and GGS arrived after so I assume if he were sleeping and awoken by one of them it would be known by LE?
imo

Wouldn't you think that Junior would be the first one Misty and Ron would look to and ask if he had seen anything? Why would they ignore such a source , especially if Misty's claims she was in a deep sleep.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Wouldn't you think that Junior would be the first one Misty and Ron would look to and ask if he had seen anything? Why would they ignore such a source , especially if Misty's claims she was in a deep sleep.

Right-

There has been nothing reported where Ron and Misty grilled Junior, he didn't even get mentioned on the 911 call- its bizarre- staged-

jmo

[Elvish2]

Right-

There has been nothing reported where Ron and Misty grilled Junior, he didn't even get mentioned on the 911 call- its bizarre- staged-

jmo


Maybe the lil guy slept through until TN, GGS, LE, RC,MC, woke him up?
I don't remember hearing about just who, if anyone, confirmed Jr's sleep status.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Maybe the lil guy slept through until TN, GGS, LE, RC,MC, woke him up?
I don't remember hearing about just who, if anyone, confirmed Jr's sleep status.

The point I am making is if he truly did sleep through Ron screaming and crying and punching the door, then I feel that perhaps the kids were drugged and one overdosed and one didn't, jmo-

[Themis]

I wish it was noted in the report where Jr. was and if he was awake or asleep at the time. TN and GGS arrived after so I assume if he were sleeping and awoken by one of them it would be known by LE?
imo
I agree with you, Elle, that it would have been helpful for the police report as released to the public to have included that info. However, there may be more info made by the police in their notes that did NOT get into the official report, KWIM?

What the police report as released to the public did include that 2 officers in 2 patrol cars responded Code 3 -- blue lights and sirens. I find it impossible to believe that a 4 year old slept through that!

Also what the police report from Fox-Tampa Bay does include is this: "I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information."

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Unfortunately, I cannot find the link (and have been looking and looking) to the original hand-printed officer's report which verifies how long they were on the scene. IIRC it was at least 30 minutes. So, the question then becomes why during that time could Haleigh's father not pull himself together long enough to help the police? Some will say honest grief and panic. Others will say it could be a diversion and being disingenuous. [JMO * Themis]

[Themis]

Maybe the lil guy slept through until TN, GGS, LE, RC,MC, woke him up?
I don't remember hearing about just who, if anyone, confirmed Jr's sleep status.
Scroll up on this same page to post 211.

[Elvish2]

One of my latest theories is that Tommy unlocked the door when he was over earlier in the day, I think he set it up thinking Misty would be sitting for him. I do not think his original intention was to take Haleigh but rather maybe steal some item, maybe a bunch of items, maybe something big that would require a door being held open by say a cinderblock. I think his plan was foiled when Misty did not go over, then Ron called asking if she was there and he took that opportunity to go over and see if he could put his plan back into action. I think the trailor appeared dark and he assumed nobody was home as Ron did not get ahold of her.
I think he entered the door he unlocked and turned the light on as he thought nobody was home. I think he went into the master bedroom and noticed they were there, maybe Haleigh woke a little and recognized Tommy, maybe she did not wake at all, maybe she was used to her daddy making noise when he came home, maybe she was often moved to another spot so did not wake when she was picked up IDK, I don't think it strange that a 17 year old didn't wake up though. Maybe he wasn't alone, IDK, just theorizing, but maybe at some point he/they decided to take Haleigh?
IDK
Completely MOO mixed w/ theorizing.

So many questions are yet unanswered(for the general public). We unfortunately, are not privy at this time, to just what LE "has" or doesn't have regarding evidence. I am still on the proverbial fence and give kudos to those that can draw what is "normal" in the lives of these families. I still have queries regarding a SO, as well as Tommy putting himself at the possible "scene" that night. Misty I feel either knows the who/what/when of what happened to HaLeigh, but not neccesarily all the details as to the actual "kidnap". Ron and Crystal, for all their poor parenting skills, I do not believe are involved PRIOR to HaLeigh missing, but may harbour some info that would implicate someone who was involved. All my thoughts only. Subject to change by suppertime:rolleyes:

[Elle]

Wouldn't you think that Junior would be the first one Misty and Ron would look to and ask if he had seen anything? Why would they ignore such a source , especially if Misty's claims she was in a deep sleep.

I have no answers. I would think so, I believe I would have. I don't think he was asleep, but I don't know, and some people really can sleep through absolutely anything, though it is said that he woke up and saw a man take Haleigh. IDK, while I find it to be highly unlikely he slept through the yelling and screeming and panic and sirens, I guess I can't rule it out. All I know is I did not hear him during the 911 call, but I don't think it odd not to hear him in the background, sometimes when people are terrified they are silent. IDK.

imoo

[Elle]

I agree with you, Elle, that it would have been helpful for the police report as released to the public to have included that info. However, there may be more info made by the police in their notes that did NOT get into the official report, KWIM?

What the police report as released to the public did include that 2 officers in 2 patrol cars responded Code 3 -- blue lights and sirens. I find it impossible to believe that a 4 year old slept through that!

Also what the police report from Fox-Tampa Bay does include is this: "I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information."

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Unfortunately, I cannot find the link (and have been looking and looking) to the original hand-printed officer's report which verifies how long they were on the scene. IIRC it was at least 30 minutes. So, the question then becomes why during that time could Haleigh's father not pull himself together long enough to help the police? Some will say honest grief and panic. Others will say it could be a diversion and being disingenuous. [JMO * Themis]

Thanks Themis, I understand what you are saying. Hey if you locate a link to the written report could you post it? I looked high and low for it yesterday and could not find it. I know it was posted again here not too long ago maybe Adalena? and I thought it was a fox link, but I cannot find it.

[5boxersmom]

Been thinking alot about HaLeigh today.

I was so sure they were close to finding her and then all the leads seem to have dried up. I hope not.

The chair is odd. Here deer hunters have deer stands up in trees. I don't know about hunting of other animals in the area. Seems like you would need to be hidden to have any success with hunting. Was there a path wore down around the chair? Anyone know?

jmo

[MomofaMarine]

Thanks Themis, I understand what you are saying. Hey if you locate a link to the written report could you post it? I looked high and low for it yesterday and could not find it. I know it was posted again here not too long ago maybe Adalena? and I thought it was a fox link, but I cannot find it.


The report can be viewed at the end of this post.

http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_My-Dumb-Beotch-Girlfriend-The-Haleigh-Cummings-Case/blog/185883/72667.html

[Elle]

So many questions are yet unanswered(for the general public). We unfortunately, are not privy at this time, to just what LE "has" or doesn't have regarding evidence. I am still on the proverbial fence and give kudos to those that can draw what is "normal" in the lives of these families. I still have queries regarding a SO, as well as Tommy putting himself at the possible "scene" that night. Misty I feel either knows the who/what/when of what happened to HaLeigh, but not neccesarily all the details as to the actual "kidnap". Ron and Crystal, for all their poor parenting skills, I do not believe are involved PRIOR to HaLeigh missing, but may harbour some info that would implicate someone who was involved. All my thoughts only. Subject to change by suppertime:rolleyes:

Hi Elvish
I have theories for everyone I can think of and every situation I can possibly think of. I have them for those I don't think were involved too .I find running through all sorts of theories to be a good way to hone in on different things and combining that with the little that is actually known as fact, I somewhat arrive at different scenarios, which are then challenged and either negated, changed, added to, and the whole thing starts all over again. I pray LE can sort through this and find beautiful Haleigh.

[Elvish2]

Scroll up on this same page to post 211.


Which view? Rucy Ron's or yours?

[Elle]

The report can be viewed at the end of this post.

http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_My-Dumb-Beotch-Girlfriend-The-Haleigh-Cummings-Case/blog/185883/72667.html

Thanks Mom, I could just hug you!! I have been looking for that and it was driving me crazy. Much appreciated.

[titanfan217]

Maybe the lil guy slept through until TN, GGS, LE, RC,MC, woke him up?
I don't remember hearing about just who, if anyone, confirmed Jr's sleep status.

Didn't Misty say something in one of her versions that he was freaking out and in "another" that she woke up when he crawled across her? The "freaking" was during one of her infamous tests, so suspect at best, and not sure when the crawl story came up.

[Elle]

Didn't Misty say something in one of her versions that he was freaking out and in "another" that she woke up when he crawled across her? The "freaking" was during one of her infamous tests, so suspect at best, and not sure when the crawl story came up.

Ugh, I forgot she stated during one of those tests that Jr. was freaking out. I had been thinking maybe he was awake and just silent as sometimes people do than when frightened, but she said he was freaking out and I would think some of this 'freaking out' would have been heard on the 911 call. I don't know, I don't understand anything and everytme I think I possibly do, I realize just how confused and utterly clueless I am.

[Themis]

Thanks Mom, I could just hug you!! I have been looking for that and it was driving me crazy. Much appreciated.
Are you talking about the police report on the link which shows up in brown text? [JMO * Themis]

[Elvish2]

Didn't Misty say something in one of her versions that he was freaking out and in "another" that she woke up when he crawled across her? The "freaking" was during one of her infamous tests, so suspect at best, and not sure when the crawl story came up.


And therein lies the problem of who's version we believe. With so little fact and the continued silence of LE regarding hard core evidence, all we can continue to do is guess and go by our own personal experience in human behaviors. I don't think, like some other posters, that it will be a Cold case. LE has some challenging work to sort through with these families and known associates and it is obviously gonna take time and a wee bit of luck.

[Justice4all]

No he didnt. Westerfield came thru a garage door that had the locks turned backwards so the family could smoke pot in the garage.

the garage locked from the inside....so how did he get in? i thought he used a ladder to get in through her window then left out the sliding glass door in the kitchen.

[Elle]

Are you talking about the police report on the link which shows up in brown text? [JMO * Themis]

I was just reading it, and now am not so sure, I am actually looking for the printed one, the original one. Do you happen to know if that is a word for word copy of part of the original? I give up Themis, I don't think I can confuse myself any more than I already am...I am no longer making any sense where as at least before I could tell what I was trying to say (even if nobody else could)..now, not so much.

[titanfan217]

And therein lies the problem of who's version we believe. With so little fact and the continued silence of LE regarding hard core evidence, all we can continue to do is guess and go by our own personal experience in human behaviors. I don't think, like some other posters, that it will be a Cold case. LE has some challenging work to sort through with these families and known associates and it is obviously gonna take time and a wee bit of luck.

It sounds as LE pretty discounts most of what MC has told them. I know I do.

[MomofaMarine]

I was just reading it, and now am not so sure, I am actually looking for the printed one, the original one. Do you happen to know if that is a word for word copy of part of the original? I give up Themis, I don't think I can confuse myself any more than I already am...I am no longer making any sense where as at least before I could tell what I was trying to say (even if nobody else could)..now, not so much.



Here is the one I think you might be looking for.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[Mel]

And therein lies the problem of who's version we believe. With so little fact and the continued silence of LE regarding hard core evidence, all we can continue to do is guess and go by our own personal experience in human behaviors. I don't think, like some other posters, that it will be a Cold case. LE has some challenging work to sort through with these families and known associates and it is obviously gonna take time and a wee bit of luck.

you're right...i get frustrated, but you're right..i've heard that in most cases, there's always some truth to what people are saying, when they're lying...that may not be 'the rule' with all these characters *sighs*

[Elle]

Here is the one I think you might be looking for.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Oh you are so sweet, I still want to hug you, but what I am looking for is the handwritten statement.

[Themis]

I was just reading it, and now am not so sure, I am actually looking for the printed one, the original one. Do you happen to know if that is a word for word copy of part of the original? I give up Themis, I don't think I can confuse myself any more than I already am...I am no longer making any sense where as at least before I could tell what I was trying to say (even if nobody else could)..now, not so much.
Elle,

1. The link which MomofaMarine gave on page 6; post 234 is only a brief summary extract and not what you and I wanted to read again.

2. The link which I gave on page 6, post 234 was more complete and is a transcription by Fox personnel. I guess you didn't read it. However, it still lacked some info I wanted to see and read again.

3. This is the Incident Report I wanted to see and read again.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL AND OFFICIAL TYPED INCIDENT REPORT, Number 1325, from the Putnam County Sheriff's office:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[JMO * Themis

P.S. Elle, I have never seen a handwritten report to which you just referred.

[Justice4all]

Elle,

1. The link which MomofaMarine gave on page 6; post 234 is only a brief summary extract and not what you and I wanted to read again.

2. The link which I gave on page 6, post 234 was more complete and is a transcription by Fox personnel. I guess you didn't read it. However, it still lacked some info I wanted to see and read again.

3. This is the Incident Report I wanted to see and read again.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL AND OFFICIAL TYPED INCIDENT REPORT, Number 1325, from the Putnam County Sheriff's office:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[JMO * Themis

P.S. Elle, I have never seen a handwritten report to which you just referred.

They never put the handwritten ones online.

[Mel]

I will always question why Ronald did not insist on leaving a lamp or light fixture ON during the dark hours knowing his precious daughter Haleigh was so fearful of the dark. Practically every family member stated Haleigh was very afraid of the dark and also afraid of water. Ron stated that the river was between 5 to 8 blocks from his home.

And yet Misty stated that she had turned off all lights before she went to bed herself -- versions vary from 10 to 11:00 P.M. Why? Leaving a light burning or the use of multiple small nightlights would cost no more than a pack or two of cigarettes.
According to a former renter, a minister/pastor, his son was also afraid of the dark and said the area was extremely dark -- no street lights, lots of trees and foliage that made it even darker. So, the minister installed that big outdoor light that can be seen in photos.

Ron was very detailed about buying a new deadbolt lock for that wood side/back door and installing it himself in a special way so that it was difficult to close and lock from the inside. Then, would it not have been difficult for a kidnapper to open even after the locked was picked?
Ron also stated he installed a lock too high for Haleigh to reach. During the mobile home tour Nancy Grace's producer showed that was not true. Why was that door such an issue with Ron -- he said he used it maybe twice?
He and Misty both have said they very rarely used it, yet Ron checked to ensure it was locked every afternoon before he left for work? I have never read anything that has Ron talking about changing the lock on the front door.
[JMO * Themis]

because the entire 'door thing' was staged, imo...he wants LE to think Haleigh exited that door, with a kidnapper..

you bring up some very good points!

[Mel]

Elle,

1. The link which MomofaMarine gave on page 6; post 234 is only a brief summary extract and not what you and I wanted to read again.

2. The link which I gave on page 6, post 234 was more complete and is a transcription by Fox personnel. I guess you didn't read it. However, it still lacked some info I wanted to see and read again.

3. This is the Incident Report I wanted to see and read again.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL AND OFFICIAL TYPED INCIDENT REPORT, Number 1325, from the Putnam County Sheriff's office:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[JMO * Themis

P.S. Elle, I have never seen a handwritten report to which you just referred.

i remember seeing it, (it's been awhile though) & was trying to find it a few minutes ago...can't find it

[Themis]

Comments about what is on the Putnam County Sheriff's Office Incident Report, No. 1325:

1. It is interested that Crystal Sheffield's age is typed as 19. Obviously, at this point it wasn't Crystal that gave her age incorrectly. Then it had to come from one of the other 3 adults who knew Crystal quite well: Ron, Teresa, or Annette. All 3 would have known her age quite well since they were together from when she was 14 and he was 15.

2. This report was printed on 2-11-09. It is unknown if one of the sheriff's officers actually typed it up OR if a handwritten report was turned over to a typist and this report is the result.

3. The reporting officer is R. Nelson, 1 of the first 2 officers who responded to Ron's home using Code 3 (blue lights and sirens)

4. The officer reports that Misty said she laid down 'around 10:30' and both children were in her bed.

5. The officer states that "I attempted to get information from Ronald reregarding Haleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information." And yet, on page 3 Ronald was able to tell the officer(s) that Haleigh's shoes were still inside the residence. That's odd considering Ron could not tell the 911 operator's Haleigh's height, weight, or her birthday. But neither could Misty. I suppose that basic info (which was vital to immediately issuing an Amber Alert) on the report came from either TN or AS.

[JMO * Themis]

[Themis]

They never put the handwritten ones online.
I did not think so either, Justice, which is why I was puzzled that Elle said she had seen a handwritten officer's report.
I certainly had not seen it. [JMO * Themis]

[Justice4all]

i remember seeing it, (it's been awhile though) & was trying to find it a few minutes ago...can't find it

I find it amazing a few around here keep saying they read the handwritten report but they never put those online....and then they say well it disappeared. Sorry not buying it.

[Mel]

Didn't Misty say something in one of her versions that he was freaking out and in "another" that she woke up when he crawled across her? The "freaking" was during one of her infamous tests, so suspect at best, and not sure when the crawl story came up.

i forgot all about that:ohmy:

[Mel]

I find it amazing a few around here keep saying they read the handwritten report but they never put those online....and then they say well it disappeared. Sorry not buying it.

i know what Elle's referring to..it was handwritten by an officer who was at the scene..it was the same report, as the typewritten statements by the officer...however it's possible i'm confusing this with Caylee Anthony.....whether you buy it or not, doesn't matter

[Themis]

Didn't Misty say something in one of her versions that he was freaking out and in "another" that she woke up when he crawled across her? The "freaking" was during one of her infamous tests, so suspect at best, and not sure when the crawl story came up.
Yes, and I will say it again:

But his great grandmother, A.S., states clearly that Ron's young son told her that he didn't know anything and that he was asleep. A.S. also says they told her the young boy kept changing his story.

Here is the link to the printed article AND the video (right side of text) of A.S. recounting it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/n...toryid=132095#

[JMO * Themis]

[Justice4all]

i know what Elle's referring to..it was handwritten by an officer who was at the scene..it was the same report, as the typewritten statements by the officer...however it's possible i'm confusing this with Caylee Anthony.....whether you buy it or not, doesn't matter

yes in the caylee case we've seen handwritten reports because there has been an arrest and the sunshine law kicks in then.


but i've heard people say the handwritten report in Haleighs case said the washing machine was going. I seriously doubt thats true because LE would put that major piece of info into the typed report. that's why i'm not buying it.

[MomofaMarine]

EXCLUSIVE: “NO PARTY…I WAS SLEEPING”—Misty Cummings.


http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/04/exclusive-%E2%80%9Cno-party%E2%80%A6i-was-sleeping%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94misty-cummings/

[Justice4all]

EXCLUSIVE: “NO PARTY…I WAS SLEEPING”—Misty Cummings.


http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/04/exclusive-%E2%80%9Cno-party%E2%80%A6i-was-sleeping%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94misty-cummings/

From the link sister in law did say that Misty is indeed a “very heavy sleeper,” has dozed off while babysitting their children, and is tough to wake up.

why are they still making excuses for Misty?

[FrankieBones1]

EXCLUSIVE: “NO PARTY…I WAS SLEEPING”—Misty Cummings.


http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/04/exclusive-%E2%80%9Cno-party%E2%80%A6i-was-sleeping%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94misty-cummings/

As if Misty's lawyer is going to open up to someone like Art Harris. What is this, some kind of joke?

[MomofaMarine]

From the link

why are they still making excuses for Misty?


If she dozes off while she is babysitting and hard to wake up, then why would they have her babysitting their children? I sure would not want her watching my children!

[FrankieBones1]

I find it amazing a few around here keep saying they read the handwritten report but they never put those online....and then they say well it disappeared. Sorry not buying it.

I'm not buying it either. It's only been from a tiny handful of members who talk about the 'handwritten' report. If it was out there at one time, someone from here would have downloaded to their hard drive. That's what we do.

[Themis]

If she dozes off while she is babysitting and hard to wake up, then why would they have her babysitting their children? I sure would not want her watching my children!
Exactly, MomofaMarine! Talk about an accident waiting to happen!
[JMO * Themis]

[Mel]

Really? So why didn't Teresa and Mrs. Sykes just show the toddler mattress sans the pillow?

hm, i hadn't thought of this before..

[Themis]

Really? So why didn't Teresa and Mrs. Sykes just show the toddler mattress sans the pillow?
As Mel just posted, hmmmm.

You bring up an interesting comment, Tia Marie. One begins to wonder just how much cleaning and re-arranging went on in that mobile home before the media was allowed in to film it.
[JMO * Themis]

[Elle]

I'm not buying it either. It's only been from a tiny handful of members who talk about the 'handwritten' report. If it was out there at one time, someone from here would have downloaded to their hard drive. That's what we do.

I am sorry. I am not trying to sell anything. I would have sworn I read a handwritten report. I would have sworn it was posted here and I thought it was by adalena. I would have sworn she prefaced the link by talking about here it is, with all of its spelling errors and bad penmanship or something to that effect. If I am wrong so be it, it was not my intention to perpetuate anything false as I sincerely was under the impression that I read it.
imoo

[Dunlurken]

What does "sans" mean. I've always wondered about that. Same thing as "vs"?

The pillow case has always bothered me too. JMO. Why is it missing? Was one on the bed, or did LE take it?

[Elle]

Elle,

1. The link which MomofaMarine gave on page 6; post 234 is only a brief summary extract and not what you and I wanted to read again.

2. The link which I gave on page 6, post 234 was more complete and is a transcription by Fox personnel. I guess you didn't read it. However, it still lacked some info I wanted to see and read again.

3. This is the Incident Report I wanted to see and read again.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL AND OFFICIAL TYPED INCIDENT REPORT, Number 1325, from the Putnam County Sheriff's office:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[JMO * Themis

P.S. Elle, I have never seen a handwritten report to which you just referred.

Themis
I appreciate all of your help and your patience with me. You are correct, I did miss the link you posted, just skipped right over it somehow as I was reading your post, sorry about that.

I would have sworn I saw a written report. I am apparently incorrect.

[Themis]

What does "sans" mean. I've always wondered about that. Same thing as "vs"?

The pillow case has always bothered me too. JMO. Why is it missing? Was one on the bed, or did LE take it?
'sans' means 'without'

Link to good online dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

[Elle]

What does "sans" mean. I've always wondered about that. Same thing as "vs"?

The pillow case has always bothered me too. JMO. Why is it missing? Was one on the bed, or did LE take it?

without, minus IIRC

[Elvish2]

From the link

why are they still making excuses for Misty?


I do not see this as an excuse. Misty is 17 and partied hardy for three days. She does not have "the built in alarm" that bio mothers have IMO. Her goal was to hit the sack and sleep it off. No inside intuition to wake her.

[Justice4all]

I'm not buying it either. It's only been from a tiny handful of members who talk about the 'handwritten' report. If it was out there at one time, someone from here would have downloaded to their hard drive. That's what we do.

ITA and Amanda would have had a screen shot of it...and NG would have been talking about it....moo

[Elle]

ITA and Amanda would have had a screen shot of it...and NG would have been talking about it....moo

I apparently made a mistake, one which I have already apologized for.

[Mel]

I was in charge of my husbands 4 children and he never called LE to come check on me when i got upset and shut my phone off. Was that irresponsible of him?

well, if your husband called you 20 times within a 2 hour period, while he's at work, i'd say he was was frantically trying to contact you, for some reason...worry? ... anger?....boredom?