10/2, 10/3, 10/4

[Barbara fl.]

I hope I did this right

[Barbara fl.]

Well it worked.....But I will say goodnight,,,,back in am....

[desmom]

You did great...brought over from last thread http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13526531#post13526531

WFTV has discovered more of the very rare duct tape on Caylee posters! Way to go WFTV and Kathi Belich!

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html

ETA ~ link

[SayItAgain]

You did great...brought over from last thread http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13526531#post13526531



ETA ~ link

Thanks, des. Was just about to do that myself!

[Sun]

Originally Posted by SayItAgain
WFTV has discovered more of the very rare duct tape on Caylee posters! Way to go WFTV and Kathi Belich!

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html


However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.

Oh my. This isn't going to make Baez, or Cindy and George happy. Kudos to WFTV!

[martha]

However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.

Oh my. This isn't going to make Baez, or Cindy and George happy. Kudos to WFTV!Thanks sun I sure am glad to hear this.jmho:wub:

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/image/21185500/detail.html

Here is a good photo showing the duct tape on the gas can. The placement of it looks to be covering the smaller opening/vent on the topside of the gas can.

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html#

WHAT'S NEXT IN THE CASE AGAINST CASEY

Prosecutors are expected to release more documents and a recent photo of the "vita bella" tattoo, on Casey's back.

[neid_77]

http://www.wftv.com/image/21185500/detail.html

Here is a good photo showing the duct tape on the gas can. The placement of it looks to be covering the smaller opening/vent on the topside of the gas can.

that's just to much to be to coincidental ( i spelled it wrong) how do you explain this away? i've even seen a video of George putting up signs with duct tape!!! someone had it on webslueths and posted it! it's on youtube!

[need2no]

that's just to much to be to coincidental ( i spelled it wrong) how do you explain this away? i've even seen a video of George putting up signs with duct tape!!! someone had it on webslueths and posted it! it's on youtube!

I bet right about now George is wishing he'd used a staple gun, tacks, nails, or masking tape to hang those posters. Poor George...I bet Cindy is all over him tonight, unless she had something to do with the decision to use their duct tape.

[5swab5]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html#

WHAT'S NEXT IN THE CASE AGAINST CASEY

Prosecutors are expected to release more documents and a recent photo of the "vita bella" tattoo, on Casey's back.

Speaking of coincidental.. LOL

[Sun]

I bet right about now George is wishing he'd used a staple gun, tacks, nails, or masking tape to hang those posters. Poor George...I bet Cindy is all over him tonight, unless she had something to do with the decision to use their duct tape.

I wonder if other media will spend the time to review some of their own early video footage to see if they have filmed George or Cindy using that brand of duct tape?

[seeing_eye]

However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.

Oh my. This isn't going to make Baez, or Cindy and George happy. Kudos to WFTV!

Do you think the defense will be making the rounds of the morning shows tomorrow to comment on this new development?

[Scampi]

This is investigative reporting at its finest, imo. I hope that LE now scour their archives and see if they have a video or photo of george anthony or cynthia or lee anthony putting up one of those posters with duct tape.

[neid_77]

This is investigative reporting at its finest, imo. I hope that LE now scour their archives and see if they have a video or photo of george anthony or cynthia or lee anthony putting up one of those posters with duct tape.

can't they just ask WFTV for it? i'm pretty sure if the prosecution hadn't picked up on this they will be now for sure!! Delay the trial biazzz Delay. This is so funny after all these HIGH TECH experts where on tv this morning telling us all we are jumping to conclusions..and how wrong the state is....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!! perhaps if they had taken a different approach at the beginning they wouldn't have to put their foot in their mouth so much...but well that's Casey's dream lawyer for you!! LMAO!!

Caylee Sweet Pea Marie!!:wub::wub:

[no1what]

FROM: D & A Investigations
SENT: 7/21/09
TO: cindy@dgator.com

"Attached picture of 'Zenaida' I have located ... can this be
shown to Casey for ID purposes? ... Dominic"

Picture of Zenaida? (http://tinypic.com/r/vzifwz/4)

Who does this look like?




Is the picture where Casey got the idea to wear a flag to the no clothes party?

[norwood]

Hi Guys
I read the thread everyday but rarely post. How damning is it that the same duct tape was used to hang those missing posters. We just moved a month ago so I am trying to get everything up to speed in the house still, but I still take time to read here and keep up.

Take care and I will check back.

[Scampi]

can't they just ask WFTV for it? i'm pretty sure if the prosecution hadn't picked up on this they will be now for sure!! Delay the trial biazzz Delay. This is so funny after all these HIGH TECH experts where on tv this morning telling us all we are jumping to conclusions..and how wrong the state is....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!! perhaps if they had taken a different approach at the beginning they wouldn't have to put their foot in their mouth so much...but well that's Casey's dream lawyer for you!! LMAO!!

Caylee Sweet Pea Marie!!:wub::wub:

Karma at its best. What's sad to me tho, is that imo this is more proof that cynthia and george anthony know their daughter is guilty of this crime and yet still they stand behind her, completely disregarding Caylee.

You cannot convince me that george anthony isn't very familar with that duct tape.

IMO

[Sun]

Do you think the defense will be making the rounds of the morning shows tomorrow to comment on this new development?

Don't know. I do wonder if someone in the media uncovers something like this, if they will eventually end up on the witness stand at the trial.

[neid_77]

Karma at its best. What's sad to me tho, is that imo this is more proof that cynthia and george anthony know their daughter is guilty of this crime and yet still they stand behind her, completely disregarding Caylee.

You cannot convince me that george anthony isn't very familar with that duct tape.

IMO

Scamp do you think this is more proof of Obstruction of Justice to? i mean come on George you saw the duct tape you would recognize it and it's rareness...i wonder whatever came of the roll of duct tape wonder if they used it all or they could have gotten rid of it so easly anytime while she was out on bond, or anytime period, and your right the whole family just sickens me to know end...They will go down as the worst grandparents in recent history, I have NO DOUBT about that!

[StickyBeak]

Wow, this is like something out of Agatha Christie, Pierot.
Twas You, Monsuier who used the exact duct tape to hang posters, now you hang the murderer.
Kudos to Kathy, I hope this sticks, no pun intended. Just my opinion

[Dtviewer3]

Hi Guys
I read the thread everyday but rarely post. How damning is it that the same duct tape was used to hang those missing posters. We just moved a month ago so I am trying to get everything up to speed in the house still, but I still take time to read here and keep up.

Take care and I will check back.

I hope you do start posting again.

Poor Lapis and Katprint must be getting overwhelmed with all our legal questions!:wub:

And yes, this is very damning to the defense. (Its especially gratifying that it was WFTV)

[Dtviewer3]

Don't know. I do wonder if someone in the media uncovers something like this, if they will eventually end up on the witness stand at the trial.

I would almost pay to see Baez cross-examine Kathi Belich.

Shes much too smart for him.........

[Scampi]

I think both cynthia and george recognize items from their home. Among them, the Winnie the Pooh blanket, the duct tape and the laundry bag. IMO, they know.... :mad:

[neid_77]

VIDEO REPORT WFTV Discovers Possible Link In Casey Case

http://www.wftv.com/video/21186456/index.html

just listen to Caylee's angels Mr. Schaffear and Belich

[Neffy]

I think both cynthia and george recognize items from their home. Among them, the Winnie the Pooh blanket, the duct tape and the laundry bag. IMO, they know.... :mad:

How could they not? :sneaky:

[seeing_eye]

I would almost pay to see Baez cross-examine Kathi Belich.

Shes much too smart for him.........

I would pay too. And I want a front row seat! It would be very interesting.

[Sun]

I would almost pay to see Baez cross-examine Kathi Belich.

Shes much too smart for him.........

I still remember the time that Baez threw WFTV out of one oh his press conference held at his office. I wonder if he ever regrets doing that? WFTV seems to put in just a little extra time/effort to provide news that the public wants to hear in this case.

[Daffodil]

However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.

Oh my. This isn't going to make Baez, or Cindy and George happy. Kudos to WFTV!


Now, that is what I call reporting!!! What has happened to the media? They used to ask hard questions. Look how the Anthony's have been handled by the media. Kudos to WFTV!!!

[summer]

I still remember the time that Baez threw WFTV out of one oh his press conference held at his office. I wonder if he ever regrets doing that? WFTV seems to put in just a little extra time/effort to provide news that the public wants to hear in this case.

IMO doubtful Sun. K Belich has always been a great and thorough reporter -- that's why he threw her out of his office in the first place. lol.

[farrahrani]

Is the picture where Casey got the idea to wear a flag to the no clothes party?


I hate to take things with a grain of salt, and I'm probably wrong but...

Is it possible this was photoshopped? Meaning plastering an anonymous face on Casey's pic?

I used to do a LOT of photoshopping and it just reminds me of some of my earlier efforts. I'd blur up portions of a photo only slightly and add 'noise', and then convert to black and white. To make a pic black and white means you do not have to match up differing skin tones, only the contrast, and makes it MUCH easier to work with.

Noise is adding speckles or scratches to the image. It helps mask where the images are joined and gives the image an overall uniform look once the layers are merged.

I'd give links to some of my efforts, they are as seamless as this, merging celebs or merging different images to make it look like different celebs are in the same picture, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

I'd like to know where this image came from, I mean from where did THEY get it from (cindy and dcasey) Was it from someone's cell, a digital or other camera? Someone's myspace?

[Sun]

VIDEO REPORT WFTV Discovers Possible Link In Casey Case

http://www.wftv.com/video/21186456/index.html

just listen to Caylee's angels Mr. Schaffear and Belich

Kathi Belich sure does a nice job in this video! Another closeup of the duct tape on the gas can too!

[Dtviewer3]

IMO doubtful Sun. K Belich has always been a great and thorough reporter -- that's why he threw her out of his office in the first place. lol.

I have to take Sun's side on this one Summer.

I really believe Kathi takes extra special pleasure in rubbing Baez' nose in it.

[Postergeist]

I bet right about now George is wishing he'd used a staple gun, tacks, nails, or masking tape to hang those posters. Poor George...I bet Cindy is all over him tonight, unless she had something to do with the decision to use their duct tape.

glad this is one news media film, however, wouldn't surprise me if the Anthonys and the family's attorneys will say at some point, that the tape had orig. been owned by the nanny, and was discovered in the car when they picked it up from the tow lot, and that the nanny had borrowed the Anthonys gas cans as well at some point that Casey was helpful to loan her those.

imo

[Dtviewer3]

I hate to take things with a grain of salt, and I'm probably wrong but...

Is it possible this was photoshopped? Meaning plastering an anonymous face on Casey's pic?

I used to do a LOT of photoshopping and it just reminds me of some of my earlier efforts. I'd blur up portions of a photo only slightly and add 'noise', and then convert to black and white. To make a pic black and white means you do not have to match up differing skin tones, only the contrast, and makes it MUCH easier to work with.

Noise is adding speckles or scratches to the image. It helps mask where the images are joined and gives the image an overall uniform look once the layers are merged.

I'd give links to some of my efforts, they are as seamless as this, merging celebs or merging different images to make it look like different celebs are in the same picture, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

I'd like to know where this image came from, I mean from where did THEY get it from (cindy and dcasey) Was it from someone's cell, a digital or other camera? Someone's myspace?

I thought the same thing first time I saw the pic.
I'll blow it up and take a closer look when I get a chance.
(photography....and golf....are my favorite hobbies)

[BettyC]

I hate to take things with a grain of salt, and I'm probably wrong but...

Is it possible this was photoshopped? Meaning plastering an anonymous face on Casey's pic?

I used to do a LOT of photoshopping and it just reminds me of some of my earlier efforts. I'd blur up portions of a photo only slightly and add 'noise', and then convert to black and white. To make a pic black and white means you do not have to match up differing skin tones, only the contrast, and makes it MUCH easier to work with.

Noise is adding speckles or scratches to the image. It helps mask where the images are joined and gives the image an overall uniform look once the layers are merged.

I'd give links to some of my efforts, they are as seamless as this, merging celebs or merging different images to make it look like different celebs are in the same picture, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

I'd like to know where this image came from, I mean from where did THEY get it from (cindy and dcasey) Was it from someone's cell, a digital or other camera? Someone's myspace?


I'll bet it came from a myspace page somewhere. The picture of Casey in the flag had all stars up top

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608caseywearingflag/1/lg/l_eb88afcea008ca05e63243e1c8b0b43f.htm

The new picture I think has stripes up top so it's not the same outfit.

eta: Here's the new girl -

http://i35.tinypic.com/5zihhh.jpg

[neid_77]

I have to take Sun's side on this one Summer.

I really believe Kathi takes extra special pleasure in rubbing Baez' nose in it.

Which makes it even more entertaining:lol: he get's all he deserves if you ask me!

[crimeq]

IMO doubtful Sun. K Belich has always been a great and thorough reporter -- that's why he threw her out of his office in the first place. lol.

In that event, he called them a "tabloid" paper. Another time, he directly attempted to diss Kathi's credibility while she was asking him questions, he asked her about her background (former name) and said on the air, that she wasn't thought of highly by her colleagues. He really, really wants to discredit KathiB because he's afraid of her. She's a fabulous, relentless reporter, IMO.

[Scampi]

In that event, he called them a "tabloid" paper. Another time, he directly attempted to diss Kathi's credibility while she was asking him questions, he asked her about her background (former name) and said on the air, that she wasn't thought of highly by her colleagues. He really, really wants to discredit KathiB because he's afraid of her. She's a fabulous, relentless reporter, IMO.

I bet dominic casey has a secret file on her......:angry:

[desmom]

glad this is one news media film, however, wouldn't surprise me if the Anthonys and the family's attorneys will say at some point, that the tape had orig. been owned by the nanny, and was discovered in the car when they picked it up from the tow lot, and that the nanny had borrowed the Anthonys gas cans as well at some point that Casey was helpful to loan her those.

imo

Or they will say it was brought by a volunteer and that is a perfect example of how common this type of tape is in the Orlando area...and of course they will not be able to remember who brought the tape...imo

[ladeebug565]

I hate to take things with a grain of salt, and I'm probably wrong but...

Is it possible this was photoshopped? Meaning plastering an anonymous face on Casey's pic?

I used to do a LOT of photoshopping and it just reminds me of some of my earlier efforts. I'd blur up portions of a photo only slightly and add 'noise', and then convert to black and white. To make a pic black and white means you do not have to match up differing skin tones, only the contrast, and makes it MUCH easier to work with.

Noise is adding speckles or scratches to the image. It helps mask where the images are joined and gives the image an overall uniform look once the layers are merged.

I'd give links to some of my efforts, they are as seamless as this, merging celebs or merging different images to make it look like different celebs are in the same picture, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

I'd like to know where this image came from, I mean from where did THEY get it from (cindy and dcasey) Was it from someone's cell, a digital or other camera? Someone's myspace?

My bold. There are witnesses to the "anything-but-clothes" party and there is more than one pic of her wearing a flag. Cindy, is that you?

[Dtviewer3]

I bet dominic casey has a secret file on her......:angry:

I swear if I didnt think DCasey would profit from it I would start a campaign to show the world what a piece of trash he is.He had no problem trying to destroy innocent people by digging up anything he could find on them. Attempting to ruin lives to make Cindy happy.

He sickens me almost as much as the Anthony's.

[Dtviewer3]

My bold. There are witnesses to the "anything-but-clothes" party and there is more than one pic of her wearing a flag. Cindy, is that you?

Umm, the poster was saying that the picture Dominic Casey had of the suppposed ZFG was photoshopped.

NOT the picture of Casey.

[no1what]

I hate to take things with a grain of salt, and I'm probably wrong but...

Is it possible this was photoshopped? Meaning plastering an anonymous face on Casey's pic?

I used to do a LOT of photoshopping and it just reminds me of some of my earlier efforts. I'd blur up portions of a photo only slightly and add 'noise', and then convert to black and white. To make a pic black and white means you do not have to match up differing skin tones, only the contrast, and makes it MUCH easier to work with.

Noise is adding speckles or scratches to the image. It helps mask where the images are joined and gives the image an overall uniform look once the layers are merged.

I'd give links to some of my efforts, they are as seamless as this, merging celebs or merging different images to make it look like different celebs are in the same picture, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

I'd like to know where this image came from, I mean from where did THEY get it from (cindy and dcasey) Was it from someone's cell, a digital or other camera? Someone's myspace?


I found the picture in the doc links of evidence from LE. I think it is part of the info that the Anthony's were collecting and asking if it was a picture of Zenaida

[Postergeist]

Or they will say it was brought by a volunteer and that is a perfect example of how common this type of tape is in the Orlando area...and of course they will not be able to remember who brought the tape...imo

true desmom, just reading the news link today, thinking yet again, if Caylee's hair, etc. had been found in a total stranger's car unknown to any of the Anthonys, wonder if they and their attys would still want to call all that 'junk science'?

Oh, I just thought of something, since their friends the Milsteads seemed to have had several types of jobs and interests in the past and they were the ones to approach the family when Caylee disappeared, I wonder if the attys will say that the Milsteads had provided the duct tape, and/or try to point the blame on them? They had access to the Anthony home over a long course of time, besides D Casey being in the home, there are the KF people.

imo

nite

[Sun]

I just view a closeup of a brand new piece of Henkel duct tape. The fiber pattern on the tape shows very consistant vertical fiber pattern, but the weaved horizontal fibers appear somewhat inconsistant throughout the tape. In other words, the weave pattern of the fibers looks like it does vary a bit in regards to the horizontal threads.

HLN is covering a bit on the Caylee case tonight.

[Spots]

My bold. There are witnesses to the "anything-but-clothes" party and there is more than one pic of her wearing a flag. Cindy, is that you?

I believe this poster is referring to the supposed "ZFG" photo wearing the flag - from DCasey's files.

[farrahrani]

I found the picture in the doc links of evidence from LE. I think it is part of the info that the Anthony's were collecting and asking if it was a picture of Zenaida


Thanks for the reply. I haven't gone through the last doc dump because there was so much technical lingo it was daunting.

I figured it was supplied by the Anthony's, now I just wonder how they are trying to explain their source, lol.

[Sun]

Hope you all are watching NG tonight. Kathi Belich is on! BREAKING NEWS! And, she is pointing out the early video of the Henkel tape used on a July 2008 Caylee poster! Way to go Kathi!

[SayItAgain]

I bet right about now George is wishing he'd used a staple gun, tacks, nails, or masking tape to hang those posters. Poor George...I bet Cindy is all over him tonight, unless she had something to do with the decision to use their duct tape.

I'm not one to defend G&C -- ever -- but I hope everyone puts it together that if they were hanging Caylee posters with the same type of duct tape found on the baby's skull, then they never saw the duct tape on her skull.

[GumShoeJoe]

Wow. Kathy Bellich has photos of "Caylee Missing" posters hung in back in July 2008, showing they were hung using duct tape with the very disctinctive "Henkle" logo imprint

[Sun]

I'm not one to defend G&C -- ever -- but I hope everyone puts it together that if they were hanging Caylee posters with the same type of duct tape found on the baby's skull, then they never saw the duct tape on her skull.

Interesting thought! Or Cindy and/or George were really, really dumb.

[SayItAgain]

Interesting thought! Or Cindy and/or George were really, really dumb.

I'm sorry -- my post was unclear. What I mean is for those who think George and/or Cindy may have had knowledge of what happened to Caylee at the time it happened, or came upon her body early on, it would seem doubtful based on the fact they were using the same duct tape to hang their posters in the weeks/months after she disappeared. There's no way, imo, if they knew about the duct tape early on, they would've used it on the posters.

Hope that makes sense. :huh:

[sunstar]

I just view a closeup of a brand new piece of Henkel duct tape. The fiber pattern on the tape shows very consistant vertical fiber pattern, but the weaved horizontal fibers appear somewhat inconsistant throughout the tape. In other words, the weave pattern of the fibers looks like it does vary a bit in regards to the horizontal threads.

HLN is covering a bit on the Caylee case tonight.

I'm watching NG's show now too and I still think the duct tape evidence is going to seal Casey's fate (along with other things, of course). I also hope the defense doesn't succeed with their motions to have the DP dismissed "just because the victim is under age". The law in FL is what it is for a reason!! :cursing: MOO

[onlykaty]

Kathi Belich sure does a nice job in this video! Another closeup of the duct tape on the gas can too!

I had never heard of KB before this case but she is not going to let anything go, she will haunt this case until it goes to court and after. Between Kathy and Nancy Grace the defense imo will not get the edge through the media that they are seeking. I feel really good knowing Kathy is reporting on this case. jmo

[Sun]

I'm sorry -- my post was unclear. What I mean is for those who think George and/or Cindy may have had knowledge of what happened to Caylee at the time it happened, or came upon her body early on, it would seem doubtful based on the fact they were using the same duct tape to hang their posters in the weeks/months after she disappeared. There's no way, imo, if they knew about the duct tape early on, they would've used it on the posters.

Hope that makes sense. :huh:

Yes, I understood what you are saying. And, it's a good thought and a good possibility! A normal person sure wouldn't use the same tape to put up missing child posters.

I do continue to wonder if "normal" applies to the Anthonys. As hard as I try at times, I can't seem to "think" like they do, or guess correctly how they are going to react to something new in this case.

[Sun]

I'm watching NG's show now too and I still think the duct tape evidence is going to seal Casey's fate (along with other things, of course). I also hope the defense doesn't succeed with their motions to have the DP dismissed "just because the victim is under age". The law in FL is what it is for a reason!! :cursing: MOO

Ha, the defense is saying in their motion that only "one" of the conditions apply, but I would dispute that. I've read through that long list some time ago, and I picked out several that would apply.

[Scampi]

Oh, how I just love the way NG runs those videos together. :lol:

[Sun]

I'm watching NG's show now too and I still think the duct tape evidence is going to seal Casey's fate (along with other things, of course). I also hope the defense doesn't succeed with their motions to have the DP dismissed "just because the victim is under age". The law in FL is what it is for a reason!! :cursing: MOO

HLN show is fairly good tonight! Even without NG. Really good supporting interviews, and with some new stuff too! Even LP is on tonight.

[Barbara fl.]

glad this is one news media film, however, wouldn't surprise me if the Anthonys and the family's attorneys will say at some point, that the tape had orig. been owned by the nanny, and was discovered in the car when they picked it up from the tow lot, and that the nanny had borrowed the Anthonys gas cans as well at some point that Casey was helpful to loan her those.

imo



Shhh, don't give them any ideas....Had to come back on, cable out all except for disney channel...can't see NG tonight....

[sunstar]

Ha, the defense is saying in their motion that only "one" of the conditions apply, but I would dispute that. I've read through that long list some time ago, and I picked out several that would apply.

I agree. And their other motion to have the charges dismissed because there isn't any direct evidence is even more laughable, imo! There are many other cases where the defendant was convicted on circumstantial evidence!! I think they've become very desperate. MOO

[Scampi]

LOL, Lenny Padilla just gave a great criticism of todd macaluso saying this is his first criminal case, oh my Sweet Lord.:laugh:

[sunstar]

HLN show is fairly good tonight! Even without NG. Really good supporting interviews, and with some new stuff too! Even LP is on tonight.

I always love it when Jean Casares is on. MOO

[Barbara fl.]

I'm sorry -- my post was unclear. What I mean is for those who think George and/or Cindy may have had knowledge of what happened to Caylee at the time it happened, or came upon her body early on, it would seem doubtful based on the fact they were using the same duct tape to hang their posters in the weeks/months after she disappeared. There's no way, imo, if they knew about the duct tape early on, they would've used it on the posters.

Hope that makes sense. :huh:


I believe that they knew that Caylee was deceased early on, but not the manner in which she was murdered.....I doubt very much that they would have thought along those lines....

[sunstar]

LOL, Lenny Padilla just gave a great criticism of todd macaluso saying this is his first criminal case, oh my Sweet Lord.:laugh:

Just priceless, wasn't it??!! :wink:

[Barbara fl.]

LOL, Lenny Padilla just gave a great criticism of todd macaluso saying this is his first criminal case, oh my Sweet Lord.:laugh:


NG reruns at 10, I hope my cable is back on by then...this is killing me....It went out just when they started talking about the tape on the posters....

[Scampi]

NG reruns at 10, I hope my cable is back on by then...this is killing me....It went out just when they started talking about the tape on the posters....

I hope so too Barb, but if it isn't, don't forget you can get the transcripts to read.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree. And their other motion to have the charges dismissed because there isn't any direct evidence is even more laughable, imo! There are many other cases where the defendant was convicted on circumstantial evidence!! I think they've become very desperate. MOO


Just about every case is circumstantial....Not many people commit murder in front of witnesses....The state has more then enough evidence to convict.....This is actually laughable....

[denjet]

I hate to take things with a grain of salt, and I'm probably wrong but...

Is it possible this was photoshopped? Meaning plastering an anonymous face on Casey's pic?

I used to do a LOT of photoshopping and it just reminds me of some of my earlier efforts. I'd blur up portions of a photo only slightly and add 'noise', and then convert to black and white. To make a pic black and white means you do not have to match up differing skin tones, only the contrast, and makes it MUCH easier to work with.

Noise is adding speckles or scratches to the image. It helps mask where the images are joined and gives the image an overall uniform look once the layers are merged.

I'd give links to some of my efforts, they are as seamless as this, merging celebs or merging different images to make it look like different celebs are in the same picture, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

I'd like to know where this image came from, I mean from where did THEY get it from (cindy and dcasey) Was it from someone's cell, a digital or other camera? Someone's myspace?

Bingo! farrah and no1!

Dominic doesn't say where he got the pic from just forwards it to Cindy ... my first impression ... it was fake ... something wierd about the head and the body out of proportion but as you said when you start looking at it, it looks like a photoshop job ... I was wondering if the two of them were trying to come up with a Zenaida, maybe even a Zenaida who looked similar or could be mistaken for KC ...
Even though the flag dress is different than KC's, the shoulder,arms ... right down to the tan lines from bathing suit straps that looks eerily the same as KC in her flag dress ...

Also, the timing of it, Dominic emailing it to Cindy this past July AFTER the Zenaida deposition in April ...
Just looked and sounded hinky to me ...
(I sent it to NG and Kathi Belich ... to see what they thought of it ... )

[Barbara fl.]

I hope so too Barb, but if it isn't, don't forget you can get the transcripts to read.


But I waited all day for this...:crying:

[Sun]

I hope that when trial time arrives, that Kathi Belich will be a regular guest on HLN. Her knowledge and understanding of this case is tops!

[sunstar]

Just about every case is circumstantial....Not many people commit murder in front of witnesses....The state has more then enough evidence to convict.....This is actually laughable....

I so agree ~ and the state has good circumstantial evidence. The defense is grasping at straws. MOO

[Barbara fl.]

I so agree ~ and the state has good circumstantial evidence. The defense is grasping at straws. MOO


I hope they didn't get Casey's hopes up that the charges would be dropped....:lol:..Someone should tell her not to pack her toothbrush just yet....

[sunstar]

I hope they didn't get Casey's hopes up that the charges would be dropped....:lol:..Someone should tell her not to pack her toothbrush just yet....

You'd think the defense would realize what a long shot it would be for a judge to dimiss the charges. I always thought this was a motion filed at the end of the state's case during trial? MOO

[Barbara fl.]

You'd think the defense would realize what a long shot it would be for a judge to dimiss the charges. I always thought this was a motion filed at the end of the state's case during trial? MOO


I doubt that they ever thought the judge would...I believe they reacted this way after the last doc dumps came out....trying to make the public (or potential jurors) think they were reading into them wrong....

This just proves that the defense has nothing to use as a defense...They'll probably have alot of mitigating circumstances to give the court at the sentencing...so they shouldn't fret too much...:laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Oh didley....my granddaughter wants to go to sleep and I'm in her room on the computer...

No cable...no computer now...

Good nite all.....

[sunstar]

I doubt that they ever thought the judge would...I believe they reacted this way after the last doc dumps came out....trying to make the public (or potential jurors) think they were reading into them wrong....

This just proves that the defense has nothing to use as a defense...They'll probably have alot of mitigating circumstances to give the court at the sentencing...so they shouldn't fret too much...:laugh:

Oh yes, mitigating circumstances ~ like the A's on the stand crying (I'm seeing something like LA at Caylee's memorial service) to save Casey? Now if the state gets their way with the check fraud trial, the defense won't be able to say she has no prior criminal record either. :wink: MOO

[seeing_eye]

I'm not one to defend G&C -- ever -- but I hope everyone puts it together that if they were hanging Caylee posters with the same type of duct tape found on the baby's skull, then they never saw the duct tape on her skull.

I never once entertained the idea that G&C were involved in the murder. But they were very early on involved in the cover-up and trying in every way possible to save Casey. JMO

[LadyHam]

I'm sorry -- my post was unclear. What I mean is for those who think George and/or Cindy may have had knowledge of what happened to Caylee at the time it happened, or came upon her body early on, it would seem doubtful based on the fact they were using the same duct tape to hang their posters in the weeks/months after she disappeared. There's no way, imo, if they knew about the duct tape early on, they would've used it on the posters.

Hope that makes sense. :huh:

Yes, it makes perfect sense and I agree w/you. I have never felt that The Anthony's were involved in what happened to Caylee nor did I think that they had prior knowledge either. This just seals it for me. No way would they have used that duct tape if they knew it was wrapped around Caylee's skull.:crying:

[LadyHam]

I'm watching NG's show now too and I still think the duct tape evidence is going to seal Casey's fate (along with other things, of course). I also hope the defense doesn't succeed with their motions to have the DP dismissed "just because the victim is under age". The law in FL is what it is for a reason!! :cursing: MOO

Bolding by me....

I think the duct tape evidence is pretty compelling too, but I know the defense will spin in and say that the duct tape from the poster isn't around anymore to be tested, so there is no way it can be definitively matched to the duct tape found on Caylee. I just think the fact that this is a very rare type of tape is evidence in and of itself. I hope this latest news from WFTV and Kathi Belich has taken the wind out of the defenses' sails after their major media blitz this morning. :D

[Trissy]

Did i hear this right........Cindy is still looking for a live Caylee? Please tell me i dreamed this.

[tinkerbell]

Did i hear this right........Cindy is still looking for a live Caylee? Please tell me i dreamed this.

Sorry to say, yes that's what I heard or read too...

moo

[Trissy]

Sorry to say, yes that's what I heard or read too...

moo

OMG Then who does Cindy think she cremated? This is just totally off the wall. MOO

[sunstar]

Bolding by me....

I think the duct tape evidence is pretty compelling too, but I know the defense will spin in and say that the duct tape from the poster isn't around anymore to be tested, so there is no way it can be definitively matched to the duct tape found on Caylee. I just think the fact that this is a very rare type of tape is evidence in and of itself. I hope this latest news from WFTV and Kathi Belich has taken the wind out of the defenses' sails after their major media blitz this morning. :D
Try as hard as they may, I don't think the defense will succeed with a smart jury. Yes, I agree, the make of duct tape, and what was found in the house will be compelling. And most compelling, imo, is it being wrapped around Caylee's head. MOO

[sunstar]

Did i hear this right........Cindy is still looking for a live Caylee? Please tell me i dreamed this.

I heard that too, but I thought it was last year before her remains were found. :confused:

[Neffy]

Catching NG show at 10. Susan Moss: The Zenaida Charada! LOL

[apothecary]

I'm sorry -- my post was unclear. What I mean is for those who think George and/or Cindy may have had knowledge of what happened to Caylee at the time it happened, or came upon her body early on, it would seem doubtful based on the fact they were using the same duct tape to hang their posters in the weeks/months after she disappeared. There's no way, imo, if they knew about the duct tape early on, they would've used it on the posters.

Hope that makes sense. :huh:
I agree Say with your theory.But I'll bet that as soon as they learned about the tape it was thrown away somewhere.Maybe that is what Mallory was doing (hiding the henkel tape) before LE got to it,because I think there was no duct tape found at the house.Weird..Everyone has duct tape in their house.

[tinkerbell]

I heard that too, but I thought it was last year before her remains were found. :confused:

I think it came out in the last document dump or what Conway released; last week?

Cindy is still trying to do everything she can to create doubt, I guess.

moo

[msgatorslayer]

:thumbsup: Way to go, Kathi!!! This is fantastic!!!

Wow!!! This Henkel brand tape is wrapping itself tighter and tighter around the Anthony's and Casey!!

What's the defense going to say? That the 'real killer' used her roll of tape on Caylee. Then set out to frame Casey by taping George's gas can, jogging along to a command center, picking up a missing poster, and marking another spot to point to Casey? LMAO

[tinkerbell]

:thumbsup: Way to go, Kathi!!! This is fantastic!!!

Wow!!! This Henkel brand tape is wrapping itself tighter and tighter around the Anthony's and Casey!!

What's the defense going to say? That the 'real killer' used her roll of tape on Caylee. Then set out to frame Casey by taping George's gas can, jogging along to a command center, picking up a missing poster, and marking another spot to point to Casey? LMAO

Kathi B has done some great reporting; maybe LE will offer her a job?
:smile:

[msgatorslayer]

Kathi B has done some great reporting; maybe LE will offer her a job?
:smile:

Or NG, a CNN correspondent, perhaps? She's proven herself to be a great investigative reporter and I would look forward to her being the go-to person if another high profile case happens in Central Florida.

[Neffy]

Or NG, a CNN correspondent, perhaps? She's proven herself to be a great investigative reporter and I would look forward to her being the go-to person if another high profile case happens in Central Florida.

Seems Belich is on a mission now. She's taken enough diss'n from this family and attorneys. I picked this up when she'd mentioned today they were going over all old video. I believe she's going to make sure she didn't miss anything and going to go back over everything with fresh eyes knowing what she knows up until this date

[seeing_eye]

Did i hear this right........Cindy is still looking for a live Caylee? Please tell me i dreamed this.

Shortly after Caylee's remains were identified, I saw a website that appeared to be a page of varying scenarios of what might have happened to Caylee. This phrase on it I found to be quite interesting: "Cadavers stolen, height of child based on bones, foot size, old injuries to long bones, tests from tooth which could have come from live Caylee?"

I got the impression the writer was insinuating that the remains were not Caylee's, but were made to appear that way by persons unknown (possibly even imaginary people)! I have no idea of the identity of the owner of that site, but this might give us an idea of why Cindy was still looking for a live Caylee as late as 2 months ago.

The webpage is no longer online, but a cached page can be seen at link below, although I haven't been able to access it recently because of limited bandwidth:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:3Tirjzdw4gcJ:www.cayleesplace.com/+cayleesplace.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

It's my opinion that Cindy does not really believe Caylee is still alive, but wants the public to think there is a possibility Caylee is alive to give "reasonable doubt" to a potential jury.

[djmsmom]

Shortly after Caylee's remains were identified, I saw a website that appeared to be a page of varying scenarios of what might have happened to Caylee. This phrase on it I found to be quite interesting: "Cadavers stolen, height of child based on bones, foot size, old injuries to long bones, tests from tooth which could have come from live Caylee?"

I got the impression the writer was insinuating that the remains were not Caylee's, but were made to appear that way by persons unknown (possibly even imaginary people)! I have no idea of the identity of the owner of that site, but this might give us an idea of why Cindy was still looking for a live Caylee as late as 2 months ago.

The webpage is no longer online, but a cached page can be seen at link below, although I haven't been able to access it recently because of limited bandwidth:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:3Tirjzdw4gcJ:www.cayleesplace.com/+cayleesplace.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

It's my opinion that Cindy does not really believe Caylee is still alive, but wants the public to think there is a possibility Caylee is alive to give "reasonable doubt" to a potential jury.

Reasonable doubt and the foundation for "missing Children". Sick to say but it's much more entertaining to have a missing GD than a murdered one.

[Spots]

Reasonable doubt and the foundation for "missing Children". Sick to say but it's much more entertaining to have a missing GD than a murdered one.

And much more lucrative.

[seeing_eye]

And much more lucrative.

Cindy still wants to be a spokesperson for missing children and not murdered children. Notice she has not affiliated herself with any foundation for murdered children. She's after the money. IMO

[tinkerbell]

I'm watching NG; missed her earlier show....

Talking about the duct tape evidence

[velvetbrown]

Tape on poster = tape on Caylee...the Lord works in mysterious ways.
Thank you Lord!

[tinkerbell]

Tape on poster = tape on Caylee...the Lord works in mysterious ways.
Thank you Lord!

Unique tape found on Caylee, gas can and missing posters...

Hmmmm


moo

[Bspotti!]

is this the active oct 2 thread? I just watched hln nancy grace show and wow someone has a really good eye to notice that they actually used the same roll of duct tape to hang some of those missing posters!
wow and wow. my jaw is still on the floor; the mountain of circumstantial evidence against casey is growing by each passing month.

[tinkerbell]

is this the active oct 2 thread? I just watched hln nancy grace show and wow someone has a really good eye to notice that they actually used the same roll of duct tape to hang some of those missing posters!
wow and wow. my jaw is still on the floor; the mountain of circumstantial evidence against casey is growing by each passing month.

Yep, that's what is being reported by WFTV, NG and other FL news outlets...

moo

[Bspotti!]

Unique tape found on Caylee, gas can and missing posters...

Hmmmm


moo

there was somewhere i read that it was possible that tape was from OH, it's old. Maybe george brought it with him from ohio. I can't remember if it was one place it was manufactured or it was listed as a place it was sold. OR its the tape Amy used on her costume that night with the cellophane & duct tape. Can you all believe the luck, finding a third tie in to this roll of tape? That is great investigative work. Hooray for LE! It seems they are the only ones who have Caylee's back in all of this. But I still need them somehow to tie her death to Casey. Does anyone here think that she was afraid of Tony L and LE connections? Does anyone else have any inclinations towards Lazarro in this crime? Because I do think they will attempt to make him the fall guy. The outline in the trunk is really awful to look at, and i wish I had not seen the photo grainy as it is. Looking for a live Cayleein PR? this is the most absurd thing I've ever heard of out of this case to date. How un nerving and how sick for the family to try to claim this. Who is Lee wearing in his remains bracelet? How about Cindy? I don't think I've ever seen such a mistreatment of a deceased loved one, except for in my own family. Truly they are all about saving Casey. Caylee didn't seem to matter. I guess her short 2 yrs on this earth don't match up to Casey's 22 years? What, is this family thinking? Do I have neighbors like this too? moo to you too.

[Pruddennce]

I believe that they knew that Caylee was deceased early on, but not the manner in which she was murdered.....I doubt very much that they would have thought along those lines....

I disagree Barbara.....they had the 'strength' to do a search of THEIR OWN BACKYARD: GA told LE HE MOVED THE PLAYHOUSE...they were tearing that house up before LE came back..which they did....

LE returned to the home to search on 7/17, with their permission, and wa la: the anthonys are in their living room with THREE attorneys: a 'friend attorney' for THEM and TWO for Casey...who said sure, its ok to check the yard....and ole GA says, sure, I CHECKED IT, Ill show you some 'suspicious' spots...

*setting up an ACCIDENT THEORY*.....*just in case*

the anthonys were focused on the 'pool theory/accident' on DAY ONE. they KNEW that Caylee was most likely deceased. THE SMELL. they suspected their own daughter was responsible for something.....

that all changed. ON DAY TWO.

page 88: George and his OWN search: they believed all of her 'stories' yet on 7/17 they are telling LE 'we did our own search for foul play"?????

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf


I would like the above investigative passage to be brought to light at trial....the anthonys knew exactly what their daughter was capable of....no reason to conduct their own search if they believed her...THEY DID NOT.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[seeing_eye]

I disagree Barbara.....they had the 'strength' to do a search of THEIR OWN BACKYARD: GA told LE HE MOVED THE PLAYHOUSE...they were tearing that house up before LE came back..which they did....

LE returned to the home to search on 7/17, with their permission, and wa la: the anthonys are in their living room with THREE attorneys: a 'friend attorney' for THEM and TWO for Casey...who said sure, its ok to check the yard....and ole GA says, sure, I CHECKED IT, Ill show you some 'suspicious' spots...

*setting up an ACCIDENT THEORY*.....*just in case*

the anthonys were focused on the 'pool theory/accident' on DAY ONE. they KNEW that Caylee was most likely deceased. THE SMELL. they suspected their own daughter was responsible for something.....

that all changed. ON DAY TWO.

page 88: George and his OWN search: they believed all of her 'stories' yet on 7/17 they are telling LE 'we did our own search for foul play"?????

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf


I would like the above investigative passage to be brought to light at trial....the anthonys knew exactly what their daughter was capable of....no reason to conduct their own search if they believed her...THEY DID NOT.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

You are entirely correct, Pru.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Here is the NG transcrips from last night if anyone missed it:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/02/ng.01.html

[ladeebug565]

Umm, the poster was saying that the picture Dominic Casey had of the suppposed ZFG was photoshopped.

NOT the picture of Casey.

I digress. I thought "Casey" was the murderer, not the investigator.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone. Here is the NG transcrips from last night if anyone missed it:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/02/ng.01.html

Good morning everyone! Thanks Scampi for posting this link. This was nearly a full hour show, and a very, very good one. Interviews with Kathi Belich, and even LP. Kathi Belich had the "BOMBSHELL" that I hope in the LE's hands this morning. Fantastic investigative reporting!

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone! Thanks Scampi for posting this link. This was nearly a full hour show, and a very, very good one. Interviews with Kathi Belich, and even LP. Kathi Belich had the "BOMBSHELL" that I hope in the LE's hands this morning. Fantastic investigative reporting!

Morning Sunnie!! Just when the defense thought they had a hat trick with their smoke and mirrors, Kathy Belich comes along and steals the news cycle with this very interesting revelation.

I think at trial we will see experts on the chemical composition of duct tape and how you can match one roll to another. Anyone who watched the melanie mcquire case remembers how they matched the garbage bags and had an expert on to testify.

Oh yes, this truly was a BOMBSHELL for the prosecution's case, imo.

:thumbsup:

[Sun]

Morning Sun!! Just when the defense thought they had a hat trick with their smoke and mirrors, Kathy Belich comes along and steals the news cycle with this very interesting revelation.

I think at trial we will see experts on the chemical composition of duct tape and how you can match one roll to another. Anyone who watched the melanie mcquire case remembers how they matched the garbage bags and had an expert on to testify.

Oh yes, this truly was a BOMBSHELL for the prosecution's case, imo.

:thumbsup:

The defense is really scouring the Discovery, to try to find any of it to twist to use to their advantage. I wonder if they have deposed any of the experts that are on the State's witness list? The ones that will testify as to the duct tape.

[jammies]

:thumbsup: Way to go, Kathi!!! This is fantastic!!!

Wow!!! This Henkel brand tape is wrapping itself tighter and tighter around the Anthony's and Casey!!

What's the defense going to say? That the 'real killer' used her roll of tape on Caylee. Then set out to frame Casey by taping George's gas can, jogging along to a command center, picking up a missing poster, and marking another spot to point to Casey? LMAO


Of course, gator. The "nanny" had keys and was coming and going whenever she pleased. She ate the porridge and took naps in their beds too. :rolleyes:

[witchywoman]

Catching NG show at 10. Susan Moss: The Zenaida Charada! LOL

I know, I laughed when Susan Moss said that...

I like sm

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html

In July of 2008, the Anthonys had set up a command post and put up posters with Caylee's photo on them. They used what appeared to be the same duct tape with Henkel logo.

[Sun]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-wesh-rebut-defense-team-on-evidence.html

WFTV, WESH rebut defense team on evidence
posted by halboedeker on Oct 2, 2009 6:14:58 PM

Hornsby said evidence from her car alone suggests Casey knows how Caylee died and what happened to her body," reporter Bob Kealing said.

Hornsby said: "Casey had the car. She never said it was stolen or anything like that. She abandoned it." And he added that Anthony's parents recognized "the smell of death" in the car.

[Scampi]

Of course, gator. The "nanny" had keys and was coming and going whenever she pleased. She ate the porridge and took naps in their beds too. :rolleyes:

:lol: Clever, Jam. They better drop the nanny nonsense or they will be laughed out of the courtroom, imo.

[msgatorslayer]

Of course, gator. The "nanny" had keys and was coming and going whenever she pleased. She ate the porridge and took naps in their beds too. :rolleyes:

:laugh: To funny, Jam!

[msgatorslayer]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-wesh-rebut-defense-team-on-evidence.html

WFTV, WESH rebut defense team on evidence
posted by halboedeker on Oct 2, 2009 6:14:58 PM

Hornsby said evidence from her car alone suggests Casey knows how Caylee died and what happened to her body," reporter Bob Kealing said.

Hornsby said: "Casey had the car. She never said it was stolen or anything like that. She abandoned it." And he added that Anthony's parents recognized "the smell of death" in the car.

And Casey knew it smelled enough to text about dead squirrel plastered to the under carriage of her car.:rolleyes: She's sunk!! She talked to much. The outlandish nanny story isn't going to fly. Either is the SODDI.

[jammies]

:lol: Clever, Jam. They better drop the nanny nonsense or they will be laughed out of the courtroom, imo.


It's beyond ridiculous. I understand loving your child no matter what but at some point.....well, you know the rest.

[Scampi]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html

In July of 2008, the Anthonys had set up a command post and put up posters with Caylee's photo on them. They used what appeared to be the same duct tape with Henkel logo.

Also from this link:

However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.


Wow, I can see the prosecution showing this video to the Jury right now....... :thumbup:

[msgatorslayer]

Also from this link:

However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.


Wow, I can see the prosecution showing this video to the Jury right now....... :thumbup:

I wonder if Cindy found the duct tape when she cleaned out the car. Not knowing that it was significant.

Either that, or, Casey taped Caylee right there in the house.

Casey was Ms. Sticky Fingers taking whatever she wanted from the house. I just can't see her bringing the tape to the woods, or some other location, using it on Caylee, and then returning it to George's spot.

[Heyes]

I disagree Barbara.....they had the 'strength' to do a search of THEIR OWN BACKYARD: GA told LE HE MOVED THE PLAYHOUSE...they were tearing that house up before LE came back..which they did....

LE returned to the home to search on 7/17, with their permission, and wa la: the anthonys are in their living room with THREE attorneys: a 'friend attorney' for THEM and TWO for Casey...who said sure, its ok to check the yard....and ole GA says, sure, I CHECKED IT, Ill show you some 'suspicious' spots...

*setting up an ACCIDENT THEORY*.....*just in case*

the anthonys were focused on the 'pool theory/accident' on DAY ONE. they KNEW that Caylee was most likely deceased. THE SMELL. they suspected their own daughter was responsible for something.....

that all changed. ON DAY TWO.

page 88: George and his OWN search: they believed all of her 'stories' yet on 7/17 they are telling LE 'we did our own search for foul play"?????

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf


I would like the above investigative passage to be brought to light at trial....the anthonys knew exactly what their daughter was capable of....no reason to conduct their own search if they believed her...THEY DID NOT.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Pru
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
As I was catching up I was bursting at the seams wanting to scream at the top of my lungs.......THEY LOOKED IN THEIR BACKYARD FOR A DEAD CAYLEE!!! I have yet to meet a person that said, Oh yeah! The car smelled bad so of course the first thing I'd do would be to look in my backyard for my dead granddaughter. :glare: These people knew. They knew. They have done everything their little pea brains could think of to obstruct justice in this case. I hope beyond hope at the end of the trial they don't even make it out the building before LE comes up behind them with handcuffs and places them under arrest right in front of the press and our girl Kathy!
I personally would relish that moment. I would frame that picture!
Can you imagine what would come out of cindy's mouth as the cuffs make a nice loud click? heh heh heh...

imo

[jammies]

I wonder if Cindy found the duct tape when she cleaned out the car. Not knowing that it was significant.

Either that, or, Casey taped Caylee right there in the house.

Casey was Ms. Sticky Fingers taking whatever she wanted from the house. I just can't see her bringing the tape to the woods, or some other location, using it on Caylee, and then returning it to George's spot.


I bet you are right, gator. The day she tried digging up the back yard. Did she pull into the garage?

[Scampi]

I wonder if Cindy found the duct tape when she cleaned out the car. Not knowing that it was significant.

Either that, or, Casey taped Caylee right there in the house.

Casey was Ms. Sticky Fingers taking whatever she wanted from the house. I just can't see her bringing the tape to the woods, or some other location, using it on Caylee, and then returning it to George's spot.

I agree, LE can add duct tape to the list of things casey marie anthony swiped from that house, to assist her in the packaging of her daughter. Gruesome is too soft a word for what this female did, imo.

Last night on one of the cable shows, I think it was NG, someone mentioned that there is a photo of the skull, with that tape stretched over the mouth area. This will be a profound moment in the trial, when it is shown to this jury. :mad:

[Sun]

I bet you are right, gator. The day she tried digging up the back yard. Did she pull into the garage?

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf

Brian Burner, the neighbor indicated in his interview (at the end of this link), that the day she borrowed the shovel, her car was backed into the garage.

[msgatorslayer]

I bet you are right, gator. The day she tried digging up the back yard. Did she pull into the garage?

Yes, IIRC, that all happened on the same day. The neighbor noticed her car backed in, which was odd. Then she borrowed his shovel. To dig bamboo up in the yard of a home she was not staying at, lol.

[Pruddennce]

I bet you are right, gator. The day she tried digging up the back yard. Did she pull into the garage?

according to neighbor Burner, she backed into the garage. which 'she did occassionally', but in the past, most times she pulled in. several sightings of her at the home: he indicated each time she backed in, during the 'missing period'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Sun]

I wonder if Cindy found the duct tape when she cleaned out the car. Not knowing that it was significant.

Either that, or, Casey taped Caylee right there in the house.

Casey was Ms. Sticky Fingers taking whatever she wanted from the house. I just can't see her bringing the tape to the woods, or some other location, using it on Caylee, and then returning it to George's spot.

Just trying to recall. Didn't some expert, indicate that the tape was applied "prior to decomposition?" So, I'm guessing that the tape was applied either before death, or within a short time (?hours) after death.

[msgatorslayer]

I agree, LE can add duct tape to the list of things casey marie anthony swiped from that house, to assist her in the packaging of her daughter. Gruesome is too soft a word for what this female did, imo.

Last night on one of the cable shows, I think it was NG, someone mentioned that there is a photo of the skull, with that tape stretched over the mouth area. This will be a profound moment in the trial, when it is shown to this jury. :mad:

Yup, she borrowed trash bags, a laundry bag, and Henkel tape from her parents home.

Only the tape made it back to the house.

Those "missing' posters have came in handy for something after all.

[Scampi]

Yes, IIRC, that all happened on the same day. The neighbor noticed her car backed in, which was odd. Then she borrowed his shovel. To dig bamboo up in the yard of a home she was not staying at, lol.

....and at a time when cynthia marie anthony was searching high and low for her. Oh, this is gonna help seal the deal with the jury.

By the time this prosecution gets done connecting all the dots, this jury will absolutely have enough to convict this accused baby killer, imo.

No wonder her desperate defense is so darned worried.

[Barbara fl.]

:thumbsup: Way to go, Kathi!!! This is fantastic!!!

Wow!!! This Henkel brand tape is wrapping itself tighter and tighter around the Anthony's and Casey!!

What's the defense going to say? That the 'real killer' used her roll of tape on Caylee. Then set out to frame Casey by taping George's gas can, jogging along to a command center, picking up a missing poster, and marking another spot to point to Casey? LMAO

Hey, she just might do that...she was having her PI run an investigation on all those peple around her house...:mad:

That may very well be what they have up their sleeve....

This tape on the poster is a BIG find.....I wonder if they thru the rest out yet.....?

[Scampi]

Just trying to recall. Didn't some expert, indicate that the tape was applied "prior to decomposition?" So, I'm guessing that the tape was applied either before death, or within a short time (?hours) after death.

Yes and because they are going for the death penalty I think the State is going to say the tape was applied while Caylee was still alive (that poor child) as part of the heinous acts part of the death penalty statute.

[msgatorslayer]

I have a vision!!! FLB's, who helped search with TES, or just took pics around Orlando, scouring their cameras for pics of "Missing" Caylee posters.:laugh:

[Scampi]

I have a vision!!! FLB's, who helped search with TES, or just took pics around Orlando, scouring their cameras for pics of "Missing" Caylee posters.:laugh:

Oh yes, Kathy Belich has opened up a big ole can of worms for the defense team. I LOVE IT. :thumbsup:

[msgatorslayer]

Hey, she just might do that...she was having her PI run an investigation on all those peple around her house...:mad:

That may very well be what they have up their sleeve....

This tape on the poster is a BIG find.....I wonder if they thru the rest out yet.....?

It is BIG!! ITA

I don't recall a roll of Henkel being found at the Anthony home.

Me thinks hundreds of posters around Orlando were hung with it, finishing off the whole roll.

[Barbara fl.]

I disagree Barbara.....they had the 'strength' to do a search of THEIR OWN BACKYARD: GA told LE HE MOVED THE PLAYHOUSE...they were tearing that house up before LE came back..which they did....

LE returned to the home to search on 7/17, with their permission, and wa la: the anthonys are in their living room with THREE attorneys: a 'friend attorney' for THEM and TWO for Casey...who said sure, its ok to check the yard....and ole GA says, sure, I CHECKED IT, Ill show you some 'suspicious' spots...

*setting up an ACCIDENT THEORY*.....*just in case*

the anthonys were focused on the 'pool theory/accident' on DAY ONE. they KNEW that Caylee was most likely deceased. THE SMELL. they suspected their own daughter was responsible for something.....

that all changed. ON DAY TWO.

page 88: George and his OWN search: they believed all of her 'stories' yet on 7/17 they are telling LE 'we did our own search for foul play"?????

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf


I would like the above investigative passage to be brought to light at trial....the anthonys knew exactly what their daughter was capable of....no reason to conduct their own search if they believed her...THEY DID NOT.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*



Oh, I agree they knew that Caylee was dead...what I was saying is I doubt that they knew she was murdered with the tape, because they certainly would have gotten rid of the tape had they known....I certainly agree with all you are saying....

They certainly would not be looking for a live Caylee in their back yard.....But I also believe that if they would have found her they would have hid the body real good....I aso believe tyhat at that point they knew that Casey had done this.....not any phony Zanny the Nanny.....

[jose]

Yup, she borrowed trash bags, a laundry bag, and Henkel tape from her parents home.

Only the tape made it back to the house.

Those "missing' posters have came in handy for something after all.

Kc "took" things. And she's too lazy and thoughtless to return things.
I think this shows Caylee was killed, taped, and bagged at the home.

George grabbed his duct tape for the "missing" posters, and this morning Cindy is hammer on George. Enjoy your day Georgie boy.

[Barbara fl.]

I have a vision!!! FLB's, who helped search with TES, or just took pics around Orlando, scouring their cameras for pics of "Missing" Caylee posters.:laugh:


I sure hope they all are....:laugh:

[msgatorslayer]

Kc "took" things. And she's too lazy and thoughtless to return things.
I think this shows Caylee was killed, taped, and bagged at the home.

George grabbed his duct tape for the "missing" posters, and this morning Cindy is hammer on George. Enjoy your day Georgie boy.

I think so too, Jose.

Knowing how Casey operates, she wouldn't be so kind and energetic to bring George's tape back to him. It never left the house, IMO.

Yep, George is getting the hammer, again!

[Barbara fl.]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-wesh-rebut-defense-team-on-evidence.html

WFTV, WESH rebut defense team on evidence
posted by halboedeker on Oct 2, 2009 6:14:58 PM

Hornsby said evidence from her car alone suggests Casey knows how Caylee died and what happened to her body," reporter Bob Kealing said.

Hornsby said: "Casey had the car. She never said it was stolen or anything like that. She abandoned it." And he added that Anthony's parents recognized "the smell of death" in the car.


I wish I could have seen the faces on all that defense teams face when this came out.....I could see Baez looking like Charlie Brown....

I wonder if they will make another appearance on any more shows to try and rebut this? :rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

It is BIG!! ITA

I don't recall a roll of Henkel being found at the Anthony home.

Me thinks hundreds of posters around Orlando were hung with it, finishing off the whole roll.

This is so ironic....The Anthony's were holding the murder weapon in their own hands....and using it on displaying Caylee's posters....

This is too much.....The defense must be spinning in all directions today.....

I saw a rerun on the Scott Peterson case this morning from Scott's sister Ms. Byrd....It's so amazing how Scott acted and how Casey acted.....it seems like they read the same script.....

[msgatorslayer]

I wish I could have seen the faces on all that defense teams face when this came out.....I could see Baez looking like Charlie Brown....

I wonder if they will make another appearance on any more shows to try and rebut this? :rolleyes:

If they do, it'll be more of the same ole, same ole. Casey is innocent until proven guilty. She deserves a fair trial. There is no proof that anyone associated with the Anthony's actually hung that poster. Just like there is no proof Casey is the one who put tape on Caylee. The defense maintains it's an imposter Caylee poster, hung by the real killer.:rolleyes:

I like having the defense pop up on all these media outlets. I'm hoping that it will hamper their request to get a COV.

[Barbara fl.]

I think so too, Jose.

Knowing how Casey operates, she wouldn't be so kind and energetic to bring George's tape back to him. It never left the house, IMO.

Yep, George is getting the hammer, again!


You are perfectly correct...that indicates that the murder took place right in that house.....Just no way would Caylee have brought that tape back....unless they did take it out of the trunk of the car....either way, it directly points to Casey......

[Heyes]

Who was it from the defense camp that came out months ago stating that the duct tape was a common brand found all over the place?

[Sun]

I wish I could have seen the faces on all that defense teams face when this came out.....I could see Baez looking like Charlie Brown....

I wonder if they will make another appearance on any more shows to try and rebut this? :rolleyes:

I don't think that Kathi Belich can expect a Christmas card from any of them this year. This was a super job of investigative journalism, and because LE will be provided with this footage, the defense will have to face this come trial time. They are probably now wishing that they'd kept their mouths shut until trial time.

[Scampi]

This is so ironic....The Anthony's were holding the murder weapon in their own hands....and using it on displaying Caylee's posters....

This is too much.....The defense must be spinning in all directions today.....

I saw a rerun on the Scott Peterson case this morning from Scott's sister Ms. Byrd....It's so amazing how Scott acted and how Casey acted.....it seems like they read the same script.....

It is sickenly ironic, isn't it? Now we just wait to see what the anthony and defense team spin will be on this great development. Gonna be a real doozie I bet.

At some point in the trial, imo this jury is going to look at this evidence and go with the most "reasonable" which I believe discounts the malarkey the defense is attempting to get everyone to swallow.

[Scampi]

Who was it from the defense camp that came out months ago stating that the duct tape was a common brand found all over the place?

The ill informed jose....lol.

[Sun]

If they do, it'll be more of the same ole, same ole. Casey is innocent until proven guilty. She deserves a fair trial. There is no proof that anyone associated with the Anthony's actually hung that poster. Just like there is no proof Casey is the one who put tape on Caylee. The defense maintains it's an imposter Caylee poster, hung by the real killer.:rolleyes:

I like having the defense pop up on all these media outlets. I'm hoping that it will hamper their request to get a COV.


Amended Motion For Venue Change
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972634/detail.html

I am also thinking about the motion for a COV. I just learned that in Illinios, Drew Peterson was denied a COV, unless the judge later finds that it would be necessary for him to get a fair trial. Perhaps Judge Strickland will rule in much the same way? IMO, it's way too soon for a COV decision to be made. Shucks, a trial date hasn't even been set yet.

[Patty437]

if you want some interesting reading try going to " blink on crime."

[Spots]

The ill informed jose....lol.

Jose seems to be ill-informed about a multitude of things. Such as when to file a "Motion to Dismiss."

[phylcore]

Since I miss a lot,has anyone said they thought Casey buried little Caylee in the back yard and Cindy and George looked,found her and took her out where she was found?

[msgatorslayer]

It is sickenly ironic, isn't it? Now we just wait to see what the anthony and defense team spin will be on this great development. Gonna be a real doozie I bet.

At some point in the trial, imo this jury is going to look at this evidence and go with the most "reasonable" which I believe discounts the malarkey the defense is attempting to get everyone to swallow.

To many coincidences can't be a coincidence at all. IMO

The jury will see that.

[Barbara fl.]

It is sickenly ironic, isn't it? Now we just wait to see what the anthony and defense team spin will be on this great development. Gonna be a real doozie I bet.

At some point in the trial, imo this jury is going to look at this evidence and go with the most "reasonable" which I believe discounts the malarkey the defense is attempting to get everyone to swallow.


I keep trying to figure out what their defense is going to be....If they don't stick with the absurd story of ZFG, they are faced with even another determent that Casey gave to LE in finding her child...they can not use the insanity defense (doesn't fall under the Florida law)...They can not say it was an accident (Casey was given that chance at the beginnig).....

After listening to Baez yesterday, it seems that they are going to stick to ZFG and probably say that she ran to PR (they can't say that she was here illegally, because PR is part of us now).....I can not wait to see this play out at trial....

I think we will be rolling over laughing...

And at the end.........."we the jury find the defendant GUILTY of murder in the first degree"......

[Pruddennce]

Oh, I agree they knew that Caylee was dead...what I was saying is I doubt that they knew she was murdered with the tape, because they certainly would have gotten rid of the tape had they known....I certainly agree with all you are saying....

They certainly would not be looking for a live Caylee in their back yard.....But I also believe that if they would have found her they would have hid the body real good....I aso believe tyhat at that point they knew that Casey had done this.....not any phony Zanny the Nanny.....

great post....and I do believe they would have compromised her remains if given the chance. case in point: what Cindy was capable of: she knew the significance of the blanket, something about the blanket missing caused her to withhold that piece of information from LE. She also omitted information about Lee going out to find her on July 3rd.

a wealth of information about 'what Casey told her', but nothing about what she actually KNEW.....she wasnt going to share it. she wasnt going to share that Casey was a thief. although the 911 call clears that up...*a little bit of truth* mixed in with a lie.....

she made an attempt to compromise the investigation...and you can be sure she knew the hamper was missing as well. MO: it IS from the Anthony home...coincidental, same brand, type etc? not a coincidence.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Barbara fl.]

Since I miss a lot,has anyone said they thought Casey buried little Caylee in the back yard and Cindy and George looked,found her and took her out where she was found?


I would buy that theory if the body had been found further away from the home....I just can not see George (having been a law enforcement person) being that dumb, as to put the body so close to the home knowing that cadaver dogs would be used.....

Only Casey would be that dumb....

[Spots]

I would buy that theory if the body had been found further away from the home....I just can not see George (having been a law enforcement person) being that dumb, as to put the body so close to the home knowing that cadaver dogs would be used.....

Only Casey would be that dumb....

....... and lazy.

[Barbara fl.]

great post....and I do believe they would have compromised her remains if given the chance. case in point: what Cindy was capable of: she knew the significance of the blanket, something about the blanket missing caused her to withhold that piece of information from LE. She also omitted information about Lee going out to find her on July 3rd.

a wealth of information about 'what Casey told her', but nothing about what she actually KNEW.....she wasnt going to share it. she wasnt going to share that Casey was a thief. although the 911 call clears that up...*a little bit of truth* mixed in with a lie.....

she made an attempt to compromise the investigation...and you can be sure she knew the hamper was missing as well. MO: it IS from the Anthony home...coincidental, same brand, type etc? not a coincidence.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

That brings to mind the time when George went out to the area near the airport and stood their looking out, then he left....he had to know he was being followed and someone would see him....could be at that time they figured out just where Casey had put the body and he was trying to divert the attention elsewhere....

There is just no telling with this family.....

[Barbara fl.]

Who was it from the defense camp that came out months ago stating that the duct tape was a common brand found all over the place?


It was found all over the place alright....in all the wrong places...

[jose]

Jose seems to be ill-informed about a multitude of things. Such as when to file a "Motion to Dismiss."

Spots, I try to keep up...

[snowflakes]

This is so ironic....The Anthony's were holding the murder weapon in their own hands....and using it on displaying Caylee's posters....

This is too much.....The defense must be spinning in all directions today.....

respectfully snipped.....

So what it boils down to is that by using that duct tape to hang posters, Mr. and Mrs. Anthony have effectively taped down Casey Anthony's guilty verdict.
They must be :cursing:

[Pam1569]

Oh, I agree they knew that Caylee was dead...what I was saying is I doubt that they knew she was murdered with the tape, because they certainly would have gotten rid of the tape had they known....I certainly agree with all you are saying....

They certainly would not be looking for a live Caylee in their back yard.....But I also believe that if they would have found her they would have hid the body real good....I aso believe tyhat at that point they knew that Casey had done this.....not any phony Zanny the Nanny.....

Hi Barbara :seeya:
I am not so sure that they didn't know from the very being how and where Caylee died and was. What better way to get rid of the unknown evidence in the case but to have it right in the open so everyone could see but slowly get rid of the evidence. jmo as always

[Scampi]

if you want some interesting reading try going to " blink on crime."

Thanks Patty, I'll say it's interesting. Especially his conclusion that in order for the FBI to rule out cynthia, george and lee from having their fingerprints on that duct tape, they have to have a "control latent" print sample to compare it too. In other words, he thinks there are prints on that tape and that they belong to casey anthony, imo.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/02/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-baez-and-baden-cant-read/#more-2535

[Heyes]

The ill informed jose....lol.


Thanks, should of known huh? lol lol

[phylcore]

Thanks for the answer Barbara,just crossed my mind.

[jammies]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf

Brian Burner, the neighbor indicated in his interview (at the end of this link), that the day she borrowed the shovel, her car was backed into the garage.

Thanks, Sun. That's what I remembered.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I sure am glad of what we got on ng last night.It just really gets to me the way the def.gets on tv and tell all this stuff that they say does not tire casey to the death of Caylee when in my eyes the car that only casey was driving had a dead body in the trunk and only one person dead.That being Caylee. No one elce had Caylee with them and no one elce had a reason to harm this baby. Now I have my hopes up again and am so glad things like last night or being told. I am reading all your good post and agree with you all. thanks for all the good post and keeping me up to date on this case.jmho:wub:

[Sun]

I would buy that theory if the body had been found further away from the home....I just can not see George (having been a law enforcement person) being that dumb, as to put the body so close to the home knowing that cadaver dogs would be used.....

Only Casey would be that dumb....

I'm curious to hear everybody's thought on this. Ever since reading the very first 400-page doc dump, I've never shaken the feeling that someone moved Caylee's body from the backyard to the location off Suburban Drive. And no discovery, or talk from the Anthonys since that time have settled that issue in my mind. I think that it was likely Casey, but at times things that George has said and done just give me pause. Could just be because I see some of George's traits in Casey, I suppose.

[KatieLady]

So what it boils down to is that by using that duct tape to hang posters, Mr. and Mrs. Anthony have effectively taped down Casey Anthony's guilty verdict.
They must be :cursing:

But my question is (as I am sure it will be JB's) how can they prove the Anthony's put up that sign? There were volunteers early on...right?

[jammies]

It was found all over the place alright....in all the wrong places...


I am hoping there is a poster still out there with some duct tape attached.

[Heyes]

It was found all over the place alright....in all the wrong places...

Yes it was! LOL
Does my heart good to know jose will not have a very nice weekend. Bet there's a lot of door slammin going on. Ha!

[Patty437]

I'm curious to hear everybody's thought on this. Ever since reading the very first 400-page doc dump, I've never shaken the feeling that someone moved Caylee's body from the backyard to the location off Suburban Drive. And no discovery, or talk from the Anthonys since that time have settled that issue in my mind. I think that it was likely Casey, but at times things that George has said and done just give me pause. Could just be because I see some of George's traits in Casey, I suppose.

I don't believe for a second that anyone other then KC was in control of this train wreck from start to finish. Have the Anthony's done their part to cover for her since july 15th...sure. Did they know anything prior to that...not in my opinion. I think they thought KC was just being spiteful by not letting them see or talk to Caylee.

[Scampi]

But my question is (as I am sure it will be JB's) how can they prove the Anthony's put up that sign? There were volunteers early on...right?

Hiya Katie, according to Kathy Belich, WFTV has a video of the command center george anthony set up with that specific poster, if I am understanding this correctly.

[KatieLady]

Hiya Katie, according to Kathy Belich, WFTV has a video of the command center george anthony set up with that specific poster, if I am understanding this correctly.

Aww...thanks my friend! I missed that!

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Barbara :seeya:
I am not so sure that they didn't know from the very being how and where Caylee died and was. What better way to get rid of the unknown evidence in the case but to have it right in the open so everyone could see but slowly get rid of the evidence. jmo as always

I just don't think , even if they put all their heads together, would be that smart...

Your right, they must be beating each other up this morning.....:laugh:

[Pam1569]

I just don't think , even if they put all their heads together, would be that smart...

Your right, they must be beating each other up this morning.....:laugh:

Hi Barbara, I am sure that there is hair loss happening this morning in that household. :laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Hiya Katie, according to Kathy Belich, WFTV has a video of the command center george anthony set up with that specific poster, if I am understanding this correctly.

Yes, I heard something to that effect as well....And I believe they have footage.....This is a great find.....:thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

Yes it was! LOL
Does my heart good to know jose will not have a very nice weekend. Bet there's a lot of door slammin going on. Ha!


I love it....Don't ya just wish you see them right now?


Baez :confused: LKB :confused: every one of them :confused:

[Heyes]

I love it....Don't ya just wish you see them right now?


Baez :confused: LKB :confused: every one of them :confused:

Haven't caught their media blitz from yesterday but I love the fact that more than likely they walked off the set patting each other on the back thinking they fooled the public and then BAM.... foiled again. These nimrods will never learn..and thank heavens because they sure have been some serious comic relief. LOL

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Barbara, I am sure that there is hair loss happening this morning in that household. :laugh:


Hi Pam,

I would almost bet on that....I wouln't want to be George today...:laugh: (well I would never want to be him)

[martha]

I love it....Don't ya just wish you see them right now?


: LKB :confused: every one of them :confused: Oh yes honey I would love to be a fly on the wall. both places the house and the office. If casey did not do this and the def.can prove that then they would want a speedy trial and not let casey sit in jail. They know they do not have anything to prove she did not do this so she has to sit in jail. I don;t think they would let anyone sit in jail if they could prove they did not do it.jmho :wub:

[Barbara fl.]

Haven't caught their media blitz from yesterday but I love the fact that more than likely they walked off the set patting each other on the back thinking they fooled the public and then BAM.... foiled again. These nimrods will never learn..and thank heavens because they sure have been some serious comic relief. LOL


I also bet they wished they had waited another day....:lol:

[Pam1569]

Haven't caught their media blitz from yesterday but I love the fact that more than likely they walked off the set patting each other on the back thinking they fooled the public and then BAM.... foiled again. These nimrods will never learn..and thank heavens because they sure have been some serious comic relief. LOL

Hi Heyes,
The Early Show
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=contentBody;cbsCarousel

Today Show
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33136180#33136180

GMA
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA
scroll videos down until you reach the Casey story

[Heyes]

Oh yes honey I would love to be a fly on the wall. both places the house and the office. If casey did not do this and the def.can prove that then they would want a speedy trial and not let casey sit in jail. They know they do not have anything to prove she did not do this so she has to sit in jail. I don;t think they would let anyone sit in jail if they could prove they did not do it.jmho :wub:

Naw, It's just the Geragos school of defense. Claim a bunch of nonsense then barely put on a defense. Perhaps not even show up on verdict day. wait a few months and beg to be on tv as a talking head. Easy breezy!

[jammies]

I also bet they wished they had waited another day....:lol:



Talk about PERFECT TIMING! :thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

Oh yes honey I would love to be a fly on the wall. both places the house and the office. If casey did not do this and the def.can prove that then they would want a speedy trial and not let casey sit in jail. They know they do not have anything to prove she did not do this so she has to sit in jail. I don;t think they would let anyone sit in jail if they could prove they did not do it.jmho :wub:


Good morning Martha,

You are so correct, if I was in jail and I was innocent, and my lawyer could prove it but is just letting me sit there......HE WOULD BE FIRED....:sneaky: Just shows it's a bunch of BS....

Their desperate, they have no defense......and I hope they are reading this message board so they can see that they are not reaching the public they way they think they are....

[Heyes]

Hi Heyes,
The Early Show
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=contentBody;cbsCarousel

Today Show
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33136180#33136180

GMA
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA
scroll videos down until you reach the Casey story

Pam, You're fantastic! Thank you!

[Barbara fl.]

Talk about PERFECT TIMING! :thumbsup:



I think I can hear them right now......saying "talk about murphy's law"....:laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Naw, It's just the Geragos school of defense. Claim a bunch of nonsense then barely put on a defense. Perhaps not even show up on verdict day. wait a few months and beg to be on tv as a talking head. Easy breezy!



I love it....I think they all came from the same school....:laugh:

[jammies]

I think I can hear them right now......saying "talk about murphy's law"....:laugh:


Did Belich et al hang on to this info for when it had the most impact?


Wonder what Brad has to say about this? oops!

[Barbara fl.]

Did Belich et al hang on to this info for when it had the most impact?


Wonder what Brad has to say about this? oops!


I don't know how long she realized it, but the timing was perfect to come out with it....

They must all be flipping out today...I'm sure they will try and get this surpressed, but it is already out there for any potential juror's to see....But I doubt that Strickland will allow it to be surpressed in any case....

Don't ya just love it?......Brad must have fell out of his chair.....

[Postergeist]

Hiya Katie, according to Kathy Belich, WFTV has a video of the command center george anthony set up with that specific poster, if I am understanding this correctly.

:thumbup: awesome Scamp!

good to know, esp. since the defense and the Athonys have been saying all along it was the Nanny that took Caylee, and they had a description of her, so if it wasn't George that used that tape, then they had Zanny right there, at the command center, walking amongst them and no one stopped her, no one took a picture of her, no one talked with her.

Which I would find odd that they didn't notice a "10" at the tent, after all, they had people spotting a look-alike Caylee in Georgia and at the Florida mall and in Texas and in PR, etc. you'd think they'd notice a look-alike Zanny right there in Orlando...hmmm

imo

[Pam1569]

I don't know how long she realized it, but the timing was perfect to come out with it....

They must all be flipping out today...I'm sure they will try and get this surpressed, but it is already out there for any potential juror's to see....But I doubt that Strickland will allow it to be surpressed in any case....

Don't ya just love it?......Brad must have fell out of his chair.....

Barbara or knocked out. :biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

Wonder how Casey is taking this?....Just another reason for her not to want to see her parents.....


Cindy in probably yelling to George "I told you to use nails, you bumbling idiot"......:sneaky:

[Barbara fl.]

:thumbup: awesome Scamp!

good to know, esp. since the defense and the Athonys have been saying all along it was the Nanny that took Caylee, and they had a description of her, so if it wasn't George that used that tape, then they had Zanny right there, at the command center, walking amongst them and no one stopped her, no one took a picture of her, no one talked with her.

Which I would find odd that they didn't notice a "10" at the tent, after all, they had people spotting a look-alike Caylee in Georgia and at the Florida mall and in Texas and in PR, etc. you'd think they'd notice a look-alike Zanny right there in Orlando...hmmm

imo


But then they would have Zanny the Nanny's finger prints instead of George's....:laugh:.....

[seeing_eye]

I wonder if Cindy found the duct tape when she cleaned out the car. Not knowing that it was significant.

Either that, or, Casey taped Caylee right there in the house.

Casey was Ms. Sticky Fingers taking whatever she wanted from the house. I just can't see her bringing the tape to the woods, or some other location, using it on Caylee, and then returning it to George's spot.

Since the Anthonys were still using the tape after the murder it indicates the roll of tape was still at their residence. And to me, that indicates that the murder occurred also at the residence since I do not believe Casey (who seemed not to have any concern about other people's property) would have taken the trouble to replace it if she had taken it away from the house. But that's JMO.

[Scampi]

I love it....Don't ya just wish you see them right now?


Baez :confused: LKB :confused: every one of them

cynthia to george-----> hammer

[Barbara fl.]

Since the Anthonys were still using the tape after the murder it indicates the roll of tape was still at their residence. And to me, that indicates that the murder occurred also at the residence since I do not believe Casey (who seemed not to have any concern about other people's property) would have taken the trouble to replace it if she had taken it away from the house. But that's JMO.


Your right...she would never have taken the tape back to the house...the only other scenerio is if they took it out of the trunk on the night they got the car back.....

But, I'm prone to believe that it was used at the house and it stayed there....

[KatieLady]

Since the Anthonys were still using the tape after the murder it indicates the roll of tape was still at their residence. And to me, that indicates that the murder occurred also at the residence since I do not believe Casey (who seemed not to have any concern about other people's property) would have taken the trouble to replace it if she had taken it away from the house. But that's JMO.

At Lowe's and placed like that can't you buy a package of the tape...I mean with 2 or more rolls in it?

I wonder if this was the case, and if so, would they most likely be from the same "run" when manufactured?

[Barbara fl.]

At Lowe's and placed like that can't you buy a package of the tape...I mean with 2 or more rolls in it?

I wonder if this was the case, and if so, would they most likely be from the same "run" when manufactured?


I believe that it was said that the tape was no longer being manufactured, it was stopped in 2006 or 2007....and that only Lowe's still carried some.....

But what would the odds be in the murderer using the very same odd make of tape to murder Caylee, that just happened to be in the home of the person accused of the murder? This is going to be a big hurdle for the defense to get past.....there went all their effort yesterday morning on all those shows.....:laugh:

[martha]

Good morning Martha,

You are so correct, if I was in jail and I was innocent, and my lawyer could prove it but is just letting me sit there......HE WOULD BE FIRED....:sneaky: Just shows it's a bunch of BS....

Their desperate, they have no defense......and I hope they are reading this message board so they can see that they are not reaching the public they way they think they are....I sure would not sit in jail if I had prove that I did not do it. casey would not be sitting in there eather because she loves to party to much. You know she would be having a fit to get out if her lawyer could prove she did not do anything. cindy and george would be having a fit too. and Lee. they would all be on jb behind if he really did have something. Just shows that everything they say is bs. They all would want a speedy tiral too. I hope we will see a trial someday on this case but I know they will put it of as long as they can to keep her out of prison. casey did not have to kill Caylee there or people all over the world that would have taken her and loved her with the love she deserved. why cindy did not let her give Caylee to someone I will never understand. I think it was just for looks that she did not let her do that. I would not have let her give her away but I would have keep her and raised her my self and let casey go on her way. A lot of grandp do that now days. Just can;t understand this family and never will. love you honey have a good day.jmho

[Barbara fl.]

What did LKB say yesterday..."This is a circumstantial case",...she can say that again.....

And all the circumstances point right to their client.....no other direction for it to turn to.....

See ya Casey, your going.......

[martha]

when they found Caylee and the tape was on her head could that have been what mallory was doing at the house getting the tape out of there? jmho

[Barbara fl.]

I sure would not sit in jail if I had prove that I did not do it. casey would not be sitting in there eather because she loves to party to much. You know she would be having a fit to get out if her lawyer could prove she did not do anything. cindy and george would be having a fit too. and Lee. they would all be on jb behind if he really did have something. Just shows that everything they say is bs. They all would want a speedy tiral too. I hope we will see a trial someday on this case but I know they will put it of as long as they can to keep her out of prison. casey did not have to kill Caylee there or people all over the world that would have taken her and loved her with the love she deserved. why cindy did not let her give Caylee to someone I will never understand. I think it was just for looks that she did not let her do that. I would not have let her give her away but I would have keep her and raised her my self and let casey go on her way. A lot of grandp do that now days. Just can;t understand this family and never will. love you honey have a good day.jmho


I agree with your post completely....

[Pam1569]

I believe that it was said that the tape was no longer being manufactured, it was stopped in 2006 or 2007....and that only Lowe's still carried some.....

But what would the odds be in the murderer using the very same odd make of tape to murder Caylee, that just happened to be in the home of the person accused of the murder? This is going to be a big hurdle for the defense to get past.....there went all their effort yesterday morning on all those shows.....:laugh:

Barbara, imo this is only one of the big hurdles that the defense has to overcome to make the jury even believe a reasonable doubt in this case. jmo as always

[Barbara fl.]

when they found Caylee and the tape was on her head could that have been what mallory was doing at the house getting the tape out of there? jmho


You bring up a very good point....When Caylee's body was found, it was after the posters went up....I wonder if it had been disclosed to the Anthony's yet that there was tape around Caylee's head?

That is a very good point....

[seeing_eye]

I'm curious to hear everybody's thought on this. Ever since reading the very first 400-page doc dump, I've never shaken the feeling that someone moved Caylee's body from the backyard to the location off Suburban Drive. And no discovery, or talk from the Anthonys since that time have settled that issue in my mind. I think that it was likely Casey, but at times things that George has said and done just give me pause. Could just be because I see some of George's traits in Casey, I suppose.

I think George and Casey are just alike. They're both chameleons, they both lie and steal, and they're both lazy and usually jobless. They even look alike, especially when Casey has not plucked her eyebrows in a while!

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara, imo this is only one of the big hurdles that the defense has to overcome to make the jury even believe a reasonable doubt in this case. jmo as always

Oh, for sure....without a doubt.....but it is another big one, caught on tape.....:wink:

[Barbara fl.]

Now the defense has another person to throw under the bus,....George...I wonder if they will try and make him the prime suspect now....?

[Barbara fl.]

Have to go...back later....

[Pam1569]

Have to go...back later....

Have a great day Barbara :smile:

[Scampi]

What did LKB say yesterday..."This is a circumstantial case",...she can say that again.....

And all the circumstances point right to their client.....no other direction for it to turn to.....

See ya Casey, your going.......

That statement by baden really showed me their desperation, because as we know, there is a jury instruction that orders them to give the exact same weight to circumstantial evidence as they do direct evidence. linda should be ashamed of herself pulling this tired stunt.

[Sun]

That statement by baden really showed me their desperation, because as we know, there is a jury instruction that orders them to give the exact same weight to circumstantial evidence as they do direct evidence. linda should be ashamed of herself pulling this tired stunt.

I'm getting the impression that the defense is very, very afraid of a death-penalty qualified jury. Or of any jury for that matter.

The media published the last two motions filed by Lyon, however the "matter of law" that was attached has just now been made available online by one of the WS posters. It's 40 pages long. So far, I'm finding reading/comprehending it very difficult (too many strange, big, or legal words, I suppose).

[spydernweb2006]

This is so ironic....The Anthony's were holding the murder weapon in their own hands....and using it on displaying Caylee's posters....

This is too much.....The defense must be spinning in all directions today.....

I saw a rerun on the Scott Peterson case this morning from Scott's sister Ms. Byrd....It's so amazing how Scott acted and how Casey acted.....it seems like they read the same script.....

OMG you just made me find Zenaida!
She is with Francois!
Maybe they are in Paris now.....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Sun]

I'm reaching for tissues. The "memorandum of law" that Lyon attached to one of her latest motions, is shocking to read. Perhaps I just can't become detached enough from my emotions to read it through, but IMO, I disagree big time with some of the statements that it contains.

[Spots]

Spots, I try to keep up...

[Just found this 2 hours after it was posted.]

No, the *other* Jose, jose.

Guess I can't keep up either. :D

[AlohaRainbow]

What did LKB say yesterday..."This is a circumstantial case",...she can say that again.....

And all the circumstances point right to their client.....no other direction for it to turn to.....

See ya Casey, your going.......

ita
perhaps LKB can tell that to scott peterson and geragos ("hey scott, not to worry, all they have is circumstantial evidence"). not sure if it'll make either of them feel any better, though :unsure:

aren't most murder convictions rendered with only circumstantial evidence? very few have any direct evidence (witness or tape of the event).

the closest case that i'm aware of that had "direct" evidence would be the creep who was caught on surveillance tape abducting the young girl at a gas station (sorry, can't remember her name at the moment - there's been waaaay too many of those types of cases since that time :crying:).

[CatBallou]

Why did this case drop down out of current cases??

Just curious.

[Scampi]

I'm reaching for tissues. The "memorandum of law" that Lyon attached to one of her latest motions, is shocking to read. Perhaps I just can't become detached enough from my emotions to read it through, but IMO, I disagree big time with some of the statements that it contains.

Sun, were you shocked because it was so badly written and not on point?

[LadyHam]

I don't think that Kathi Belich can expect a Christmas card from any of them this year. This was a super job of investigative journalism, and because LE will be provided with this footage, the defense will have to face this come trial time. They are probably now wishing that they'd kept their mouths shut until trial time.

Yes, it was such great work on Kathi's part. I bet since she found this juicy little tidbit she and other media outlets are going to keep scouring old video to see what else they can find. :D

[Sun]

Sun, were you shocked because it was so badly written and not on point?

For my non-legal trained mind, it was hard to read and comprehend. Also the many, many statements refering so callously in regards to the victim, Caylee. I'm now on page 18, where it is now talking about maternal filicides.

[KatieLady]

I believe that it was said that the tape was no longer being manufactured, it was stopped in 2006 or 2007....and that only Lowe's still carried some.....

But what would the odds be in the murderer using the very same odd make of tape to murder Caylee, that just happened to be in the home of the person accused of the murder? This is going to be a big hurdle for the defense to get past.....there went all their effort yesterday morning on all those shows.....:laugh:

ITA Barbara...a big hurdle. I heard the producer on NG give the odds....staggering! IMO

[Olives]

An ode to Wonderwoman Kathi Belich:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK9bQkiIK4w


:thumbsup:

[Dtviewer3]

I'm curious to hear everybody's thought on this. Ever since reading the very first 400-page doc dump, I've never shaken the feeling that someone moved Caylee's body from the backyard to the location off Suburban Drive. And no discovery, or talk from the Anthonys since that time have settled that issue in my mind. I think that it was likely Casey, but at times things that George has said and done just give me pause. Could just be because I some of George's traits in Casey, I suppose.

100% agreed.

I believe that someone was Casey.
I think she backed the car in the garage, took Caylee to the back yard with the idea to bury her in a hole dug with her borrowed shovel. I would guess she even started digging. Something then made her change her mind and so she dragged Caylee through the woods to the spot she was finally found.

THATS why the dogs hit in the backyard and THATS why the Anthony's said there seemed to be an area of ground disturbed in the back yard.

Case solved:biggrin:

[farrahrani]

Does anyone else think that when Cindy was cleaning out the car and washing the pants, she simply snatched up the duct tape and put it back in the shed or garage? There was no reason to think that the duct tape had been used for anything other than Casey's no clothes party.

To me it would be totally in character for Cindy to snatch up that tape and put it back.

[Spots]

Why did this case drop down out of current cases??

Just curious.

Check your PMs. :seeya:

[AlohaRainbow]

I'm getting the impression that the defense is very, very afraid of a death-penalty qualified jury. Or of any jury for that matter.

The media published the last two motions filed by Lyon, however the "matter of law" that was attached has just now been made available online by one of the WS posters. It's 40 pages long. So far, I'm finding reading/comprehending it very difficult (too many strange, big, or legal words, I suppose).
thanks for the tip.
i'm reading it now and wonder - is it usual to cite journal articles and books in such a "matter of law" memorandum? (although there are legal case citations, i also see several citations and quotes from journals and books)

[denjet]

I'm getting the impression that the defense is very, very afraid of a death-penalty qualified jury. Or of any jury for that matter.

The media published the last two motions filed by Lyon, however the "matter of law" that was attached has just now been made available online by one of the WS posters. It's 40 pages long. So far, I'm finding reading/comprehending it very difficult (too many strange, big, or legal words, I suppose).
Hi Sun! That's exactly what they're afraid of ... a death penalty jury ... that's it in a nutshell
IMO

[Sun]

thanks for the tip.
i'm reading it now and wonder - is it usual to cite journal articles and books in such a "matter of law" memorandum? (although there are legal case citations, i also see several citations and quotes from journals and books)

I've just now finished reading it. So those were journal articles and books that were cited (I was wondering as well, as to what was being referenced).

Let me know what you think, as you read through this.

[denjet]

I'm reaching for tissues. The "memorandum of law" that Lyon attached to one of her latest motions, is shocking to read. Perhaps I just can't become detached enough from my emotions to read it through, but IMO, I disagree big time with some of the statements that it contains.
Do you have a link, Sun???
tia

[denjet]

Yes, it was such great work on Kathi's part. I bet since she found this juicy little tidbit she and other media outlets are going to keep scouring old video to see what else they can find. :D
I was thinking the same thing Lady! I think it will encourage other news soruces to do the same !

[AlohaRainbow]

I've just now finished reading it. So those were journal articles and books that were cited (I was wondering as well, as to what was being referenced).

Let me know what you think, as you read through this.

still going through it, but in one of their footnotes (footnote 12 on page 25 of the document, which is p 14 of the pdf file since p 9 is missing) they mention that the majority who rendered an opinion in a lockhart case was critical of the social science that was presented in that case. that's what a lot of the journal articles and citiations in this case are - social science studies. (yes, there are some legal case citations, but at least an equal number, it seems to me, of social science citations. e.g. journal of law and human behavior, american psychological association to name 2)

imo, in reading so far, it seems to me that the main "thesis" is that the prosecution is seeking the death penalty for casey only to get a death qualified jury, and not for any legitimate state interest. parallel to casey's whine that she was arrested "on a f'n whim".

gotta go run some errands, so i'll finish reading it later.

[AlohaRainbow]

Sun, were you shocked because it was so badly written and not on point?

:laugh: a rhetorical question ??

[denjet]

Talk about PERFECT TIMING! :thumbsup:
Hi jammies.. late post but wanted to chime in ... I think the defense underestimates media strategy ... they think they're clever with the way they use the press and probably thought the National talk shows are the way to go ... well Kathi fooled them, exposed the duct tape find on local stations then NG picked it up and broadcast it Nationally .... Perfect! ... I would also say that Kathi knows a thing or two about timing, she's very experienced and good at what she does ...

[Holden]

Does anyone else think that when Cindy was cleaning out the car and washing the pants, she simply snatched up the duct tape and put it back in the shed or garage? There was no reason to think that the duct tape had been used for anything other than Casey's no clothes party.

To me it would be totally in character for Cindy to snatch up that tape and put it back.

You are so right, Farrahrani. Cindy would have automatically picked up that tape from the car, then returned it to the shed/garage. So in character - and now so tragic. Too bad she's such a controlling woman. Too bad she raised a murderer.

[AlohaRainbow]

Do you have a link, Sun???
tia

http://www.filedropper.com/093009motionprecludedpmemooflaw
that's the 40 page memo of law

this is a link to a 20 page memo of law (to dismiss counts 1 and 2)
http://www.filedropper.com/093009motiondismisscts1and2memooflaw

BBL :seeya:

[Scampi]

http://www.filedropper.com/093009motionprecludedpmemooflaw
that's the 40 page memo of law

this is a link to a 20 page memo of law (to dismiss counts 1 and 2)
http://www.filedropper.com/093009motiondismisscts1and2memooflaw

BBL :seeya:

Thank you so much for these links Ahoha!!

[seeing_eye]

100% agreed.

I believe that someone was Casey.
I think she backed the car in the garage, took Caylee to the back yard with the idea to bury her in a hole dug with her borrowed shovel. I would guess she even started digging. Something then made her change her mind and so she dragged Caylee through the woods to the spot she was finally found.

THATS why the dogs hit in the backyard and THATS why the Anthony's said there seemed to be an area of ground disturbed in the back yard.

Case solved:biggrin:

I, too, believe that someone was Casey. And I think it happened exactly as you have described. MOO

[Dtviewer3]

I, too, believe that someone was Casey. And I think it happened exactly as you have described. MOO

Like i said....case solved!:thumbsup:

[denjet]

Do you have a link, Sun???
tia
Nevermind I was able to find it and download it:

Memorandum of Law in Support of Defense Motion to Preclude DP Procedure (http://www.filedropper.com/093009motionprecludedpmemooflaw)

This doc was the one to support the defense's motion to preculde DP .. it's referenced in the motion ...

Thanks Sun!

ETA: Late again .... :blushing:

[seeing_eye]

Does anyone else think that when Cindy was cleaning out the car and washing the pants, she simply snatched up the duct tape and put it back in the shed or garage? There was no reason to think that the duct tape had been used for anything other than Casey's no clothes party.

To me it would be totally in character for Cindy to snatch up that tape and put it back.

IIRC, this "Henkel" duct tape was not the tape Casey used at the no clothes party.

[Dtviewer3]

IIRC, this "Henkel" duct tape was not the tape Casey used at the no clothes party.

I think you are correct.

[denjet]

Only on the third page of the document and there it is again ...

the defense saying "the autopsy report concluded that Caylee Anthony's cause of death was homicide by undetermined means" ??? Dr G said manner of death homicide, cause of death unknown ... or something very similar to that ... the defense, however has been stating time and time again that the cause of death is unknown therefore the determination of homicide is unwarranted ... it's really annoying !!!!!:cursing:

[Sun]

Only on the third page of the document and there it is again ...

the defense saying "the autopsy report concluded that Caylee Anthony's cause of death was homicide by undetermined means" ??? Dr G said manner of death homicide, cause of death unknown ... or something very similar to that ... the defense, however has been stating time and time again that the cause of death is unknown therefore the determination of homicide is unwarranted ... it's really annoying !!!!!:cursing:

Sometimes I think that Casey's defense has just switched from "you can't prove that she's not alive" to "you can't prove how she died."

[KatieLady]

IIRC, this "Henkel" duct tape was not the tape Casey used at the no clothes party.

I don't think so either. Otherwise Kathi or one of our great sleuths here would have found the logo in the pictures IMO

[Scampi]

Sometimes I think that Casey's defense has just switched from "you can't prove that she's not alive" to "you can't prove how she died."

Distaso couldn't prove exactly how Laci and Conner Peterson died either, but the jury still sent scott to death row. Same thing will happen here, imo.

[denjet]

Sometimes I think that Casey's defense has just switched from "you can't prove that she's not alive" to "you can't prove how she died."
yep ... that's what they're going for ... it sure seems like they're putting the evidence to date on trial ... isn't this supposed to be decided by a jury at trial ??
Loved Lyon's references to periodicals/research/books ??? I thought it was supposed to be a memoradum of LAW :rolleyes:

Does anyone know if the State HAS to respond to this as Lyon says ?? Again it seems like the defense is asking the state to prove it's case ... JMO

[Barbara fl.]

That statement by baden really showed me their desperation, because as we know, there is a jury instruction that orders them to give the exact same weight to circumstantial evidence as they do direct evidence. linda should be ashamed of herself pulling this tired stunt.

She is a big as air head that Baez is....Anytime I ever seen her in action, she made a fool of herself.....but she is capable of getting a hung jury...let's just hope it doesn't work here....

But all that will do is to make us go thru all this again, while she stays in prison, year after year after year....:biggrin:

[Spots]

Sometimes I think that Casey's defense has just switched from "you can't prove that she's not alive" to "you can't prove how she died."

You'd think those 3 strips of duct tape across Caylee's mouth and nose would have given them a clue. :rolleyes:

[denjet]

You'd think those 3 strips of duct tape across Caylee's mouth and nose would have given them a clue. :rolleyes:
Hi Spots ... ya think? I'm sure it had to be one of the factors weighed by the state ... but even so ... 3 months after finding the remains is when the state announced seeking DP again ... so I've got to believe a lot more evidence went into their decision than just the duct tape

[Barbara fl.]

ita
perhaps LKB can tell that to scott peterson and geragos ("hey scott, not to worry, all they have is circumstantial evidence"). not sure if it'll make either of them feel any better, though :unsure:

aren't most murder convictions rendered with only circumstantial evidence? very few have any direct evidence (witness or tape of the event).

the closest case that i'm aware of that had "direct" evidence would be the creep who was caught on surveillance tape abducting the young girl at a gas station (sorry, can't remember her name at the moment - there's been waaaay too many of those types of cases since that time :crying:).



Yes, most murders convictions are based on circumstantial evidence...and most of the time it's because they were premeditated...it's the spur of the moment murders where all the evidence is present....

If it wasn't for the 31 days gone by before LE started looking for Caylee's remains and the fact that it was overlooked in that spot and 6 months went by, there would have been enough evidence and possibly a cause of death....but too much time went by....

That is why the judge indicates that circumstantial evidence should be considered the same.

LKB sounded just like Baez and Macaluso.....3 air heads....trying to reach some potential juror's out there....shows how desperate they are...

Geragos tried to get the murder conviction thrown out also...and you see where Scott is today?

They know it's not going to work...it's their child like stradegy, in hope to reach one child like potential juror out there.

[Sun]

yep ... that's what they're going for ... it sure seems like they're putting the evidence to date on trial ... isn't this supposed to be decided by a jury at trial ??
Loved Lyon's references to periodicals/research/books ??? I thought it was supposed to be a memoradum of LAW :rolleyes:

Does anyone know if the State HAS to respond to this as Lyon says ?? Again it seems like the defense is asking the state to prove it's case ... JMO

Do you think that the defense is trying to phish to see what the State's stategy is for the trial? Here are links for Lyon's Original motion to dismiss (not the two latest ones). And the State has made a response.... which is interesting.

Motion To Dismiss Due To Spoliation Of Evidence
Defense Motion: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972702/detail.html
State's Response: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21090992/detail.html

[Barbara fl.]

100% agreed.

I believe that someone was Casey.
I think she backed the car in the garage, took Caylee to the back yard with the idea to bury her in a hole dug with her borrowed shovel. I would guess she even started digging. Something then made her change her mind and so she dragged Caylee through the woods to the spot she was finally found.

THATS why the dogs hit in the backyard and THATS why the Anthony's said there seemed to be an area of ground disturbed in the back yard.

Case solved:biggrin:

You are probably correct up to the point of Case dragging Caylee's body to the spot....that wold have been too risky and the cadaver dogs would have picked that up....I believe she put the body back in the car and rode around with it until the odor came and then she dumped the remains down the street....

The mere fact that a mother could ride around and go clubbing while her decomposing daughters body was in her trunk speaks very loud as to what kind of person we are dealing with here.....