10/1, 10/2

[Sun]

Good morning everyone!

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

arrrrrggggggg!!!! This statement in the motion makes me so sad.
c. Even if the Prosecution were able to prove that Miss Anthony was responsible for her daughter's death, the death penalty would be grossly disproportionate considering the outcomes of other Florida cases.

[Scampi]

I agree Sun, that a disturbing statement like that could wind up in a legal document is very troubling. Just more proof that a death of a child in this Country, is not taken seriously by some.

[sydney]

Good morning everyone!

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

arrrrrggggggg!!!! This statement in the motion makes me so sad.
c. Even if the Prosecution were able to prove that Miss Anthony was responsible for her daughter's death, the death penalty would be grossly disproportionate considering the outcomes of other Florida cases.

(bbm)
morning, sun.

i suppose that's the defense's job - to presuppose what a jury may decide. their crystal ball must be working overtime.

the part about "circumstantial evidence" really gets me. MOST cases are proven using circumstantial evidence.

[desmom]

Good morning everyone!

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

arrrrrggggggg!!!! This statement in the motion makes me so sad.
c. Even if the Prosecution were able to prove that Miss Anthony was responsible for her daughter's death, the death penalty would be grossly disproportionate considering the outcomes of other Florida cases.

Move over and share your arrrrrggggggg!!!! bench with me? I am not a strong supporter of the death penalty, but I have to seriously consider it when it involves a child.

Caylee trusted her Momma to take care of her and love her. She did not expect to be put in the trunk of Momma's car, Momma to put not one but 3 pieces of duct tape on her mouth, Momma to put her in plastic garbage bags and a laundry bag, expect Momma to go off and party, shop, get a tat and manicure and pole dance while she lay in the woods and flood waters at the mercy of the scavengers and elements.

jmo

[Scampi]

Good points Des. Morning everyone btw. I was thinking about the shovel that casey anthony borrowed, imo there is no innocent explanation for her doing that, especially when you take into account what was happening in her life at that point in time.

I think this is another area in which the defense is going to have a difficult time explaining to the jury.

[Sun]

Move over and share your arrrrrggggggg!!!! bench with me? I am not a strong supporter of the death penalty, but I have to seriously consider it when it involves a child.

Caylee trusted her Momma to take care of her and love her. She did not expect to be put in the trunk of Momma's car, Momma to put not one but 3 pieces of duct tape on her mouth, Momma to put her in plastic garbage bags and a laundry bag, expect Momma to go off and party, shop, get a tat and manicure and pole dance while she lay in the woods and flood waters at the mercy of the scavengers and elements.

jmo

Gladly, I'll share this bench, and it is a large one too!

IMO, Casey not only was responsible for the death of her own child, but she took steps to conceal that death (IMO,did a poor job of it too). Casey further has lied in regards to the crime, and thus the expense to the taxpayers of Florida, and even the searchers, is great. Casey has also received funding for her defense, by selling pics/videos of her victim, Caylee. Caylee was a victim. Helpless against the rages of her own killer. Casey downloaded this graphic to the laptop on JULY 8th, 2008 at 10:14pm. “WHY DO PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, WHO KILL PEOPLE, TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT TO KILL PEOPLE IS BAD?” OCSO found the graphic on Casey’s Laptop computer during their investigation.


Casey has not shown any remorse, nor has she acknowledged her responsibility in the death of Caylee. This is the type of criminal that does not need to ever be released back into society.

[LadyHam]

Good morning everyone!

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

arrrrrggggggg!!!! This statement in the motion makes me so sad.
c. Even if the Prosecution were able to prove that Miss Anthony was responsible for her daughter's death, the death penalty would be grossly disproportionate considering the outcomes of other Florida cases.

Bolding by me....

Oh, that statement makes me so sad as well.:crying: It truly sickens me.

Question: If this motion is granted and the murder one and aggravated child abuse are taken off the indictment, then what is left? I think manslaughter of a child? Am I remembering that correctly? If the prosecution is only allowed to go after Casey for manslaughter, then does this open the door for the defense to say it was an accident? Would the defense maybe then have Casey "confess" to it being an accident and then maybe possibly she would be able to get out of this? I know she would still face the charges of lying to LE, but I don't know how harsh that penalty would be. I just don't see how an accident could be explained or taken seriously by the courts due to the duct tape being wrapped around Caylee's skull. How will the defense explain that in an accident scenario? I know that the defense is just doing their jobs and doing everything they can to help Casey, but it is showing me a side of our justice system that I am not impressed with. I know Casey has the right to a fair trial and the right to due process, but what about Caylee's right to have lived beyond her 2nd birthday?

Does anyone think that these motions stand any of chance of being granted? The only thing that keeps me grounded in this is that I don't think that the prosecution would ask for murder one and the DP if they didn't feel that the case warranted it.

I so hope that Judge Strickland sets the date for the fraud trial today!

Good morning, everyone! :seeya:

[Sun]

Move over and share your arrrrrggggggg!!!! bench with me? I am not a strong supporter of the death penalty, but I have to seriously consider it when it involves a child.

Caylee trusted her Momma to take care of her and love her. She did not expect to be put in the trunk of Momma's car, Momma to put not one but 3 pieces of duct tape on her mouth, Momma to put her in plastic garbage bags and a laundry bag, expect Momma to go off and party, shop, get a tat and manicure and pole dance while she lay in the woods and flood waters at the mercy of the scavengers and elements.

jmo

Casey's actions after Caylee's death could eaily be interpreted as a "celebration."

[margaritaville]

Move over and share your arrrrrggggggg!!!! bench with me? I am not a strong supporter of the death penalty, but I have to seriously consider it when it involves a child.

Caylee trusted her Momma to take care of her and love her. She did not expect to be put in the trunk of Momma's car, Momma to put not one but 3 pieces of duct tape on her mouth, Momma to put her in plastic garbage bags and a laundry bag, expect Momma to go off and party, shop, get a tat and manicure and pole dance while she lay in the woods and flood waters at the mercy of the scavengers and elements.

jmo

ITA... That is the saddest part of this whole case. I just can't understand how one can murder their own child and go on with their daily activities like nothing ever happened. Like she had never even had a daughter. How??
Casey is not the first to have done that either look at Kimberly Dawn Trenor who murdered Riley Sawyers (her daughter) then went to Walmart bought a plastic storage bin and threw her off a bridge. And that was that.......Washed her hands of her........HOW??
How does it never bother them? I don't get it.......
I remember when my son was about 1 1/2 years old and got the stomach flu, I cried more then he did because I felt so bad for him...And I wanted to take his pain and fever away soooooooo bad!!
How do these woman have a child and have ZERO love for them? Or even care about them at all??
I hope someday Casey feels *something* for what she has done...
Maybe she will crack during the trial when the pictures of Caylee's bones are shown.......teeth marks from the animals, duct tape across her mouth/nose....Maybe then she will feel SOMETHING!!
MOO

[margaritaville]

Good points Des. Morning everyone btw. I was thinking about the shovel that casey anthony borrowed, imo there is no innocent explanation for her doing that, especially when you take into account what was happening in her life at that point in time.

I think this is another area in which the defense is going to have a difficult time explaining to the jury.


and why did she borrow a shovel when she had one in her trunk?

[martha]

Move over and share your arrrrrggggggg!!!! bench with me? I am not a strong supporter of the death penalty, but I have to seriously consider it when it involves a child.

Caylee trusted her Momma to take care of her and love her. She did not expect to be put in the trunk of Momma's car, Momma to put not one but 3 pieces of duct tape on her mouth, Momma to put her in plastic garbage bags and a laundry bag, expect Momma to go off and party, shop, get a tat and manicure and pole dance while she lay in the woods and flood waters at the mercy of the scavengers and elements.

jmoITA and wish I could express my self like you do because this is the way I feel just like you posted. How can they even think about droping the charges when we stand back and look at this case and what happened to little Caylee? I think she would suffer more if she got lwop but if she gets the dp so be it.Either one is ok with me just so she gets one or the other. She took a little childs life that could not defend her self and that is sorry.For some reason I think she strangled her.just have an awful feeling that is what she did to Caylee.I don;t know why she used the tape unless she put it on before she strangled her so she would not make any noise but I do have a feeling that is what she did.It would not take much if casey did that to little Caylee.casey being a grown up and little Caylee being so small.When I type this it makes me want to get ahold of casey I think I could make her talk not saying what I would do to her because I don;t believe in hurting another human being but just saying it really makes me mad to think about it.I think in my heart if I was casey;s mother I could have made her tell me what she had done.Maybe cindy did make her tell her but cindy just keeps covering up for her.jmho:wub:

[LadyHam]

(bbm)
morning, sun.

i suppose that's the defense's job - to presuppose what a jury may decide. their crystal ball must be working overtime.

the part about "circumstantial evidence" really gets me. MOST cases are proven using circumstantial evidence.

Bolding by me....

And with much less CE than the prosecution has in this case as well.

[cassidy]

and why did she borrow a shovel when she had one in her trunk?


I saw a little about the shovel in her trunk yesterday? Did she really have one or are the shovels getting confused? I know I'm confused. I never heard of a shovel in her trunk until yesterday??

[Scampi]

Casey's actions after Caylee's death could eaily be interpreted as a "celebration."

They sure could. No explaining away casey anthony up on that stage in the blue dress during the "hot bod" contest.

I also think the jury will be thinking about the outrageous possibility of casey anthony having other children.

[martha]

ITA... That is the saddest part of this whole case. I just can't understand how one can murder their own child and go on with their daily activities like nothing ever happened. Like she had never even had a daughter. How??
Casey is not the first to have done that either look at Kimberly Dawn Trenor who murdered Riley Sawyers (her daughter) then went to Walmart bought a plastic storage bin and threw her off a bridge. And that was that.......Washed her hands of her........HOW??
How does it never bother them? I don't get it.......
I remember when my son was about 1 1/2 years old and got the stomach flu, I cried more then he did because I felt so bad for him...And I wanted to take his pain and fever away soooooooo bad!!
How do these woman have a child and have ZERO love for them? Or even care about them at all??
I hope someday Casey feels *something* for what she has done...
Maybe she will crack during the trial when the pictures of Caylee's bones are shown.......teeth marks from the animals, duct tape across her mouth/nose....Maybe then she will feel SOMETHING!!
MOOITA with you on every word.I don;t know why we even call her a mother because she is not and never will be a mother.when I read your words that is a mother talking.cindy and casey both or not true mothers. I will never understand how she could do this eather.just no way a real mother would do something like this.jmho:wub:

[Scampi]

I saw a little about the shovel in her trunk yesterday? Did she really have one or are the shovels getting confused? I know I'm confused. I never heard of a shovel in her trunk until yesterday??

As far as I know there is only one shovel, that article yesterday was confusing. IMO.

[Bala]

Does anyone remember a long time ago near the beginning of the case there was talk that Casey had stolen duck tape from one of her friends? What ever happened with that do we know?

[LadyHam]

Gladly, I'll share this bench, and it is a large one too!

IMO, Casey not only was responsible for the death of her own child, but she took steps to conceal that death (IMO,did a poor job of it too). Casey further has lied in regards to the crime, and thus the expense to the taxpayers of Florida, and even the searchers, is great. Casey has also received funding for her defense, by selling pics/videos of her victim, Caylee. Caylee was a victim. Helpless against the rages of her own killer. Casey downloaded this graphic to the laptop on JULY 8th, 2008 at 10:14pm. “WHY DO PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, WHO KILL PEOPLE, TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT TO KILL PEOPLE IS BAD?” OCSO found the graphic on Casey’s Laptop computer during their investigation.


Casey has not shown any remorse, nor has she acknowledged her responsibility in the death of Caylee. This is the type of criminal that does not need to ever be released back into society.

Bolding by me....

I don't think that Casey has show any real grief that Caylee is gone from her life either. To me, her actions show that she was glad, very glad, that Caylee was gone and out of her life. I mean she got a tattoo that said "beautiful life" while her daughter was "missing" and she didn't know her whereabouts or her well being.:confused:

[Sun]

ITA... That is the saddest part of this whole case. I just can't understand how one can murder their own child and go on with their daily activities like nothing ever happened. Like she had never even had a daughter. How??
Casey is not the first to have done that either look at Kimberly Dawn Trenor who murdered Riley Sawyers (her daughter) then went to Walmart bought a plastic storage bin and threw her off a bridge. And that was that.......Washed her hands of her........HOW??
How does it never bother them? I don't get it.......
I remember when my son was about 1 1/2 years old and got the stomach flu, I cried more then he did because I felt so bad for him...And I wanted to take his pain and fever away soooooooo bad!!
How do these woman have a child and have ZERO love for them? Or even care about them at all??
I hope someday Casey feels *something* for what she has done...
Maybe she will crack during the trial when the pictures of Caylee's bones are shown.......teeth marks from the animals, duct tape across her mouth/nose....Maybe then she will feel SOMETHING!!
MOO

I have been hoping for quite some time now, that the isolation of "protective custody" will take its toll on Casey. That she will indeed feel the pain/anguish, from not being able to get the attention that she craves. Jail isn't all about excitement, and IMO Casey craves excitement just as much as she needs air to breath.

[BettyC]

Does anyone remember a long time ago near the beginning of the case there was talk that Casey had stolen duck tape from one of her friends? What ever happened with that do we know?

Bala, that was Amy. Her costume for a party was made with the duct tape and she had alot left and was happy about that, but Casey apparently took the rest of the tape.

Amy texted about it in one of the doc drops.

[KatieLady]

Does anyone remember a long time ago near the beginning of the case there was talk that Casey had stolen duck tape from one of her friends? What ever happened with that do we know?

IIRC in a text, Amy says she borrowed hers and never returned it.

[cassidy]

I remember a twinge of real sympathy that day of the GJ testimony and then wham! wasn't it that very afternoon or the next morning he came out with: We're watching the kidnappers and we know where they are! or something really crazy like that? I'm sure I remember that insanely dramatic and bizarre turnaround because it happened so quickly and I KNEW my sympathy was misplaced. Wish I could recall exactly what it was but it was... something...

Me too Summer. I remember thinking
OH WOW, that poor guy is going in there to seal his daughter's fate. He looked positively sick. And the very next day he was dancing in the street grinning from ear to ear with his tales of live Caylee sitings..9 of them. IMO he was scared of the questions they would ask in the GJ and they didn't ask him the right ones. George is a chameleon, able to change demeanors with the circumstances. He's in this up to his eyebrows and he knows his daughter is guilty. Saving his daughter's skin supercedes finding justice for his granddaughter and that disgusts me to no end.

JMO

[Scampi]

Bolding by me....

I don't think that Casey has show any real grief that Caylee is gone from her life either. To me, her actions show that she was glad, very glad, that Caylee was gone and out of her life. I mean she got a tattoo that said "beautiful life" while her daughter was "missing" and she didn't know her whereabouts or her well being.:confused:

I think it was Amy who actually described her as "giddy" when she was getting herself ready to pick up Lazarro at the airport. Nope, the jury is not going to like that one bit.

[desmom]

Casey's actions after Caylee's death could eaily be interpreted as a "celebration."

Yep, definitely no signs of remorse in this photos

pages 1 - 25 pics taken by John Azzilonia, photographer at Fusian's http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

page 30 - Casey doodling for the future - page 30 @ the same link.

Casey doing chores:

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17663095/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660775/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660926/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17656954/detail.html

[trich]

(bbm)
morning, sun.

i suppose that's the defense's job - to presuppose what a jury may decide. their crystal ball must be working overtime.

the part about "circumstantial evidence" really gets me. MOST cases are proven using circumstantial evidence.

Exactly...the way I understand it ...the only way a criminal case is not circumstantial is if there are witnesses to the actual crime.
And then we all know they are not to be trusted either in telling what they saw.
Scott Peterson was convicted (and in Ca no less )with much less evidence then it appears the state of Florida has on Casey, I have alot of faith in the citizens of Florida to do the right thing.

[margaritaville]

ITA and wish I could express my self like you do because this is the way I feel just like you posted. How can they even think about droping the charges when we stand back and look at this case and what happened to little Caylee? I think she would suffer more if she got lwop but if she gets the dp so be it.Either one is ok with me just so she gets one or the other. She took a little childs life that could not defend her self and that is sorry.For some reason I think she strangled her.just have an awful feeling that is what she did to Caylee.I don;t know why she used the tape unless she put it on before she strangled her so she would not make any noise but I do have a feeling that is what she did.It would not take much if casey did that to little Caylee.casey being a grown up and little Caylee being so small.When I type this it makes me want to get ahold of casey I think I could make her talk not saying what I would do to her because I don;t believe in hurting another human being but just saying it really makes me mad to think about it.I think in my heart if I was casey;s mother I could have made her tell me what she had done.Maybe cindy did make her tell her but cindy just keeps covering up for her.jmho:wub:

I agree that Cindy knows what happened to Caylee... I believe that both Cindy and George know... But it doesn't matter anymore, what's done is done and now they need to help Casey.
But are they helping Casey for Casey or for themselves?
If Casey is proven NG in court can you even imagine what we are going to hear from Cindy and George... OMG...
I think the cover up for Casey is to get her off so they are no longer the parents of a child murderer. I have never seen them show *true* love for Casey... It is all a show......"hey gorgeous"barf
That was all for the camera's IMHO....
Remember the fights George had with Casey (according to the woman that was at the house for Padilla, can't think of her name)
George wasn't getting up in the morning and pouring himself a cup of coffee and saying "good morning gorgeous" to Casey... It was all a show...moo

[Dunlurken]

I'll start today's thread.

[Dunlurken]

Continue discussions here please. JMO.

[jose]

Thanks for the new thread

[Sun]

Motion To Dismiss Due To Spoliation Of Evidence
Defense Motion: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972702/detail.html
State's Response: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21090992/detail.html

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html


At what point in this case, do you believe that Lyon will ask Judge Strickland to recuse himself from this case? I know she will do it, I just haven't yet figured out when.

[trich]

If Casey is aquitted of killing Caylee ....it would be the worst case
of injustice ever in this country IMO.
Not to mention I believe they would have to change her name, appearance and then ship her out of the country.
I do not think the people of the US will stand for her walking around free.
Although once aquitted there is nothing the justice system can do to correct it at least that is what I have always understood it.

[martha]

no wonder they don;t want to have the check chg.first because there is no way she can get out of that with all the pictures they have of her shoping and going to the bank.they need to try her now on that and I mean now.jmho

[Sun]

Yep, definitely no signs of remorse in this photos

pages 1 - 25 pics taken by John Azzilonia, photographer at Fusian's http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

page 30 - Casey doodling for the future - page 30 @ the same link.

Casey doing chores:

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17663095/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660775/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660926/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17656954/detail.html

cough, cough, cough... chores? Oh my! desmom you have such a humerous imagination this morning! :wub:

[martha]

I agree that Cindy knows what happened to Caylee... I believe that both Cindy and George know... But it doesn't matter anymore, what's done is done and now they need to help Casey.
But are they helping Casey for Casey or for themselves?
If Casey is proven NG in court can you even imagine what we are going to hear from Cindy and George... OMG...
I think the cover up for Casey is to get her off so they are no longer the parents of a child murderer. I have never seen them show *true* love for Casey... It is all a show......"hey gorgeous"barf
That was all for the camera's IMHO....
Remember the fights George had with Casey (according to the woman that was at the house for Padilla, can't think of her name)
George wasn't getting up in the morning and pouring himself a cup of coffee and saying "good morning gorgeous" to Casey... It was all a show...mooYou or so right it was all put on for the camers;s he does not feel that way about casey he knows what she has done.they just want us to think they love her so very much but I just do not see that after all we have heard about what goes on in the house.jmho:wub:

[martha]

Thanks for the new thread, I will be reading all day. Just will not post much but love reading all the good post you all put on here.jmho:wub:

[KittyMom]

Good morning everyone!

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

arrrrrggggggg!!!! This statement in the motion makes me so sad.
c. Even if the Prosecution were able to prove that Miss Anthony was responsible for her daughter's death, the death penalty would be grossly disproportionate considering the outcomes of other Florida cases.
BBM So, basically the def is saying that even if the state can prove that Casey killed Caylee, Caylee's life isn't as valuable as Casey's.

:thumbdown:

[desmom]

cough, cough, cough... chores? Oh my! desmom you have such a humerous imagination this morning! :wub:

Thank you. :wub:

Re: chores: Casey was playing housewife. She was shopping for things to make her man happy by purchasing clothing, beer, food, munchies, picking up a little spending cash... I do not see one teeny tiny iota of a woman upset over her missing child. I see no remorse.

If we see any remorse out of Casey now, it will be because it has finally dawned on her she is looking at the DP or LWOP.

jmo

[trich]

Originally Posted by sydney

(bbm)
morning, sun.

i suppose that's the defense's job - to presuppose what a jury may decide. their crystal ball must be working overtime.

the part about "circumstantial evidence" really gets me. MOST cases are proven using circumstantial evidence.





Exactly...the way I understand it ...the only way a criminal case is not circumstantial is if there are witnesses to the actual crime.
And then we all know they are not to be trusted either in telling what they saw.
Scott Peterson was convicted (and in Ca no less )with much less evidence then it appears the state of Florida has on Casey, I have alot of faith in the citizens of Florida to do the right thing.



I wanted to carry this over from Wed thread.

[trich]

This too>



If Casey is aquitted of killing Caylee ....it would be the worst case
of injustice ever in this country IMO.
Not to mention I believe they would have to change her name, appearance and then ship her out of the country.
I do not think the people of the US will stand for her walking around free.
Although once aquitted there is nothing the justice system can do to correct it at least that is what I have always understood it.

[KittyMom]

10-01-2009, 09:34 AM
desmom
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sun
cough, cough, cough... chores? Oh my! desmom you have such a humerous imagination this morning!

Thank you.

Re: chores: Casey was playing housewife. She was shopping for things to make her man happy by purchasing clothing, beer, food, munchies, picking up a little spending cash... I do not see one teeny tiny iota of a woman upset over her missing child. I see no remorse.

If we see any remorse out of Casey now, it will be because it has finally dawned on her she is looking at the DP or LWOP.

jmo
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Brought over from last thread.

I don't think Casey will ever feel remorse. One has to have true feelings for others in order to feel remorse. Casey will only ever blame someone else for the things she's lost in her life. She learned that lesson well from Cindy and George.

[Daffodil]

Good morning everyone. Just jumping in here for a minute.

As I was reading posts yesterday, it seemed a lot of posters thought that Brad could possibly be in trouble for releasing the documents that he did. It seemed to me that those documents were in the doc dump. He couldn't get in any trouble for that. He just took what was already out there. That a good marketing strategy. I was surprised that it took them this long to do something like that but then again, it was probably the first time they had something that was possibly in their favor.

[desmom]

Brought over from last thread.

I don't think Casey will ever feel remorse. One has to have true feelings for others in order to feel remorse. Casey will only ever blame someone else for the things she's lost in her life. She learned that lesson well from Cindy and George.

I don't think Casey will ever feel remorse either, but she may try to act remorseful if she thinks that will get her off.

jmo

[Bala]

Good morning everyone. Just jumping in here for a minute.

As I was reading posts yesterday, it seemed a lot of posters thought that Brad could possibly be in trouble for releasing the documents that he did. It seemed to me that those documents were in the doc dump. He couldn't get in any trouble for that. He just took what was already out there. That a good marketing strategy. I was surprised that it took them this long to do something like that but then again, it was probably the first time they had something that was possibly in their favor.

I thought this was information given to him by the defense that hadn't come out in the doc dumps yet. I thought Kathi B, said they didn't receive these doc yet.

[Sun]

Outstanding Motions in the Criminal Case--- Have I missed any?

Amended Motion For Venue Change
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972634/detail.html

Motion To Dismiss Due To Spoliation Of Evidence
Defense Motion: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972702/detail.html
State's Response: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21090992/detail.html

Order To Directing Jail Videos Be Destroyed
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972696/detail.html

Motion Prohibiting Videotaping Attorney Visits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972622/detail.html

State's Motion to Compel Reciprocal Discovery
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20838315/detail.html
Response To State's Request On Discovery
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972653/detail.html

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

[Duke]

You know, maybe her parents are just so embarrassed that they cannot deal with the truth. IMO Casey is just complete ill and her parents are losing their minds. I believe they knew what happened but cannot deal with it so they have just shut down and spew their lies because they just can't help it. They are desperate. Mr. and Mrs. Anthony both need to be held accountable for the cover-up and that IS so clear. Maybe Cindy just can't handle the true facts and prefers to be behind bars just like her daughter because she is feels she is just as guilty. It is beyond my mind where they cannot even comprehend the emptiness of missing a grandchild. Cindy's emails with DC are abundantly clear that she is trying to create another story to save her daughter Casey.

Duke

[KatieLady]

Good morning everyone. Just jumping in here for a minute.

As I was reading posts yesterday, it seemed a lot of posters thought that Brad could possibly be in trouble for releasing the documents that he did. It seemed to me that those documents were in the doc dump. He couldn't get in any trouble for that. He just took what was already out there. That a good marketing strategy. I was surprised that it took them this long to do something like that but then again, it was probably the first time they had something that was possibly in their favor.

Morning Daffodil....I believe tha BC claims to have something "outside" of the doc dump.

Is that right folks????

[KittyMom]

I don't think Casey will ever feel remorse either, but she may try to act remorseful if she thinks that will get her off.

jmo

Oh, that's true. But I think she'll have to reallllllly stretch to pull that off. lol Too much "me, me, me" in that girl.

I wonder if Casey has heard of Jose's pet name for her mother? Bet the ugly green monster will rear its head when she does. :sneaky:

[Sun]

Good morning everyone. Just jumping in here for a minute.

As I was reading posts yesterday, it seemed a lot of posters thought that Brad could possibly be in trouble for releasing the documents that he did. It seemed to me that those documents were in the doc dump. He couldn't get in any trouble for that. He just took what was already out there. That a good marketing strategy. I was surprised that it took them this long to do something like that but then again, it was probably the first time they had something that was possibly in their favor.

About half of the 19 pages that Brad was focused on were indeed released by the State and published by the media by a doc dump. However, there were some pages that the Media hasn't yet released to the public, and these pages may not yet have been released to the media.

Seems to me this is a clear case of the defense "leaking" documents. Leaking to Cindy & George, and to BConway. Who then leaked to the media.

[Katt2]

I don't think Casey will ever feel remorse either, but she may try to act remorseful if she thinks that will get her off.

jmo

It will be a bit late for remorse at that point. She needed to show remorse and concern during the 31 days her daughter was "missing". She can spend the entire trial sobbing in her chair and no jury is going to buy it!

[Daffodil]

I thought this was information given to him by the defense that hadn't come out in the doc dumps yet. I thought Kathi B, said they didn't receive these doc yet.


I can certainly be wrong. I better read them again. Does anyone have the link to provide me. TIA

[Tia]

Bolding by me....

I don't think that Casey has show any real grief that Caylee is gone from her life either. To me, her actions show that she was glad, very glad, that Caylee was gone and out of her life. I mean she got a tattoo that said "beautiful life" while her daughter was "missing" and she didn't know her whereabouts or her well being.:confused:

ITA, and she NEVER anticipated any of this. She double bagged Caylee, threw her out like trash and moved on with her life.

IMO, Casey figured she would lie her way out of it like everything else, and if that didn't work, Cindy would lie for her.

She appears to have been raised to blame everyone else, always the victim, so pinning Caylee's murder on anyone was absolutely NO problem for Casey or any of the Anthony's. Its the only way they know.

I imagine they are devastated that the general public does not believe their lies.

[Daffodil]

About half of the 19 pages that Brad was focused on were indeed released by the State and published by the media by a doc dump. However, there were some pages that the Media hasn't yet released to the public, and these pages may not yet have been released to the media.

Seems to me this is a clear case of the defense "leaking" documents. Leaking to Cindy & George, and to BConway. Who then leaked to the media.



So........the pages that the media hasn't released yet to the public, did Brad release them? Were we able to see them yet? Where are they from? Thanks everyone. Sorry if I am confused or confused someone else.

[iluvmua]

I do believe that if Casey is acquitted of Caylee's murder and is released back into society, I have no doubt that people will try and kill Casey themselves.

[desmom]

I can certainly be wrong. I better read them again. Does anyone have the link to provide me. TIA

I put them in the links thread. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=352149&page=9

[Sun]

I was disappointed that this doc dump didn't include pics of Casey's tattoo. Shame on me for feeling so mean, but I really want Casey to experience the feeling that she has "no privacy."

[Scampi]

It will be a bit late for remorse at that point. She needed to show remorse and concern during the 31 days her daughter was "missing". She can spend the entire trial sobbing in her chair and no jury is going to buy it!

This is so true Katt, which is why I am convinced they must go with some sort of diminished capacity defense.

[Daffodil]

I put them in the links thread. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=352149&page=9

Thanks Desmom. So those were the ones already released, correct? Where are the others?

As I was reading the Dominic/Cindy emails it just jumped out to me that George is totally out of the loop. I wonder if he relies on Cindy for his information. Why would Dominic email Cindy about Lee's internship instead of just sending it to Lee.

I wish I had time to stay here but I have so many errands to run today.

[Dunlurken]

This too>



If Casey is aquitted of killing Caylee ....it would be the worst case
of injustice ever in this country IMO.
Not to mention I believe they would have to change her name, appearance and then ship her out of the country.
I do not think the people of the US will stand for her walking around free.
Although once aquitted there is nothing the justice system can do to correct it at least that is what I have always understood it.I don't think she will be acquitted, I'm thinking more hung jury, which someone erroneously thought yesterday was a mis-trial. Had to leave my computer at that point. JMO.

[Sun]

ITA, and she NEVER anticipated any of this. She double bagged Caylee, threw her out like trash and moved on with her life.

IMO, Casey figured she would lie her way out of it like everything else, and if that didn't work, Cindy would lie for her.

She appears to have been raised to blame everyone else, always the victim, so pinning Caylee's murder on anyone was absolutely NO problem for Casey or any of the Anthony's. Its the only way they know.

I imagine they are devastated that the general public does not believe their lies.

IMO, Cindy is spinning out of control, because she realizes that she has lost control of how folks think about her, and her family. Cindy and George are on an emotional nightmare, and they are holding on to hope that the trial will end their nightmare.

[Ellie]

Good morning everyone. I just have 2 questions and I'm wondering if anyone else is wondering about them. 1, who is this picture of that is supposedly "Zanny" that looks like a darker Casey wearing the American flag?! Where did this come from? Anyone wanna bet that it was taken maybe a month ago by someone connected to the defense (and they will eventually come forward with "this is "THE Zanny")? I really have no idea what to think about that. And secondly... I know Scampi mentioned that there might be confusion about the shovel supposedly found in Casey's trunk. Are we sure that there weren't 2 shovels? Because we pretty much know that the shovel borrowed from the neighbor wasn't used to move or bury Caylee, right? And we know that LE keeps some important things from the public until (and if) it's really necessary to let it out... Was there a shovel in Casey's trunk?

Ok, thanks. Hope you all have a nice day. :smile:

[Stella Rose]

Hey all - been forever since I was here. Life has been nuts.

Trying to catch up on the case and I was wondering something. (Sorry if this has already been discussed - I am admittedly about a month behind).

Could the "outline" mentioned in the trunk have been made by Casey spraying Caylee's body with the insecitcide? If the bugs started to get bad, maybe she sprayed her down, causing the outline?

Also, was anyone else reminded of the photos of Scott Peterson's workshop and the cement dust we all were sure showed the outline of Laci's body? First thing I thought of.

Hope all my old posting buddies are well. Let me know if I need to look for you in a new dress.

[Dunlurken]

If there was a shovel in Casey's trunk, it's the first we've heard of it. Could have been one of those hand things, not a shovel as we all think of one. I think it's called a trow. JMO. Something that's used in "gardening". JMO.

[Sun]

I don't think she will be acquitted, I'm thinking more hung jury, which someone erroneously thought yesterday was a mis-trial. Had to leave my computer at that point. JMO.

I still recall my feelings after I read the very first 400-page doc dump. I wasn't sitting on a fence. I had the sinking feeling that Casey was responsible for Caylee's death. After that first doc dump, I still had some unanswered questions/feelings in regards to involvement by George, mostly. Over time, also realized that Cindy was misleading LE in an effort to steer them away from Casey.

I do realize today, that none of the docs released have ever really "cleared" George in my mind, as to whether he was also involved in some way. This is just my opinion, but I suspect that he and Casey were NOT getting along (probably need to use stronger words) in May/June 2008.

[Dunlurken]

I still recall my feelings after I read the very first 400-page doc dump. I wasn't sitting on a fence. I had the sinking feeling that Casey was responsible for Caylee's death. After that first doc dump, I still had some unanswered questions/feelings in regards to involvement by George, mostly. Over time, also realized that Cindy was misleading LE in an effort to steer them away from Casey.

I do realize today, that none of the docs released have ever really "cleared" George in my mind, as to whether he was also involved in some way. This is just my opinion, but I suspect that he and Casey were NOT getting along (probably need to use stronger words) in May/June 2008.

This is why I think we may have a "hung jury" the first time around. It only takes one to hang them. BUT, if it's any consolation, she is not out on bond, so her butt will continue to sit in jail.

I don't know what to think about George. I'm POSITIVE he would not have hurt Caylee. Help with the disposal of the body, maybe. JMO.

[Tia]

IMO, Cindy is spinning out of control, because she realizes that she has lost control of how folks think about her, and her family. Cindy and George are on an emotional nightmare, and they are holding on to hope that the trial will end their nightmare.


Well, IMO, the trial will only be the beginning of their nightmare.

As more and more comes out to the public, the Anthony's are going to want to respond. Cindy will be chomping at the bit to get out "her side". It going to be a difficult job to keep both of them under control in the courtroom and around the media during the trial.

[Sun]

This is why I think we may have a "hung jury" the first time around. It only takes one to hang them. BUT, if it's any consolation, she is not out on bond, so her butt will continue to sit in jail.

I don't know what to think about George. I'm POSITIVE he would not have hurt Caylee. Help with the disposal of the body, maybe. JMO.

Ah, but my feelings have never waivered that Casey WAS RESPONSIBLE for Caylee's death. Only that another person may have been involved somewhere along the way for covering up that crime.

George in some ways is a bit like Casey. And, he does have an explosive temper, from what I have seen.

[Sun]

Well, IMO, the trial will only be the beginning of their nightmare.

As more and more comes out to the public, the Anthony's are going to want to respond. Cindy will be chomping at the bit to get out "her side". It going to be a difficult job to keep both of them under control in the courtroom and around the media during the trial.

ITA. There is no doubt in my mind, that Cindy will want to speak out to try in her way to "control" public/media opinions. It could be quite the show when she takes the stand too.

[Tia]

This is why I think we may have a "hung jury" the first time around. It only takes one to hang them. BUT, if it's any consolation, she is not out on bond, so her butt will continue to sit in jail.

I don't know what to think about George. I'm POSITIVE he would not have hurt Caylee. Help with the disposal of the body, maybe. JMO.

I have to agree, I can't see him hurting Caylee, but I can see him, (assuming he knew Caylee's fate), agonizing over the possibility he could lose Casey too, and assisting with the disposal of Caylee's little body to protect Casey, all under Cindy's direction of course. :angry:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree that Cindy knows what happened to Caylee... I believe that both Cindy and George know... But it doesn't matter anymore, what's done is done and now they need to help Casey.
But are they helping Casey for Casey or for themselves?
If Casey is proven NG in court can you even imagine what we are going to hear from Cindy and George... OMG...
I think the cover up for Casey is to get her off so they are no longer the parents of a child murderer. I have never seen them show *true* love for Casey... It is all a show......"hey gorgeous"barf
That was all for the camera's IMHO....
Remember the fights George had with Casey (according to the woman that was at the house for Padilla, can't think of her name)
George wasn't getting up in the morning and pouring himself a cup of coffee and saying "good morning gorgeous" to Casey... It was all a show...moo


You are correct....When George was alone in the house with Casey, he was completly different...her was ranting and raving and saying that he wasn'r going to lie for her....then when the camera's are rolling, it's a different story...

They don't want to be labeled as a murderers parents....you are right....

[Barbara fl.]

Well, IMO, the trial will only be the beginning of their nightmare.

As more and more comes out to the public, the Anthony's are going to want to respond. Cindy will be chomping at the bit to get out "her side". It going to be a difficult job to keep both of them under control in the courtroom and around the media during the trial.


It's my feelings that Casey worked completely alone....a person like Casey wouldn't trust anyone....and lets face it, if someone helped her they would not have left the remains down the street....I'm sure they would have found a more hidden place...

Now, I also feel that IF Cindy had realized from the onset that Casey had infact murdered Caylee, that 911 call would have never been placed and maybe then, the whole family would have been in on moving the body and just saying that Caylee went to live with relatives or something to that nature...

[margaritaville]

You know, maybe her parents are just so embarrassed that they cannot deal with the truth. IMO Casey is just complete ill and her parents are losing their minds. I believe they knew what happened but cannot deal with it so they have just shut down and spew their lies because they just can't help it. They are desperate. Mr. and Mrs. Anthony both need to be held accountable for the cover-up and that IS so clear. Maybe Cindy just can't handle the true facts and prefers to be behind bars just like her daughter because she is feels she is just as guilty. It is beyond my mind where they cannot even comprehend the emptiness of missing a grandchild. Cindy's emails with DC are abundantly clear that she is trying to create another story to save her daughter Casey.

Duke


bolding mine:
Don't you think after Casey's trial is over they will be brought up on charges??
If they charge them now they will lose both of them as witness's because they could then plead the 5th on so many questions so they are not incriminating themselves......
That is my thoughts on that anyway...I believe they will be charged!
moo

[BettyC]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Richard Grund has a response to the doc dump on his myspace page. This one is good -

FOR THE RECORD – Jesse did not EVER have a key to Casey’s car. There was no need to have to key to her car when he had a much better vehicle to drive. From what I see in the court documents the only people to have keys to that car were family members.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=512507741

[Barbara fl.]

This is why I think we may have a "hung jury" the first time around. It only takes one to hang them. BUT, if it's any consolation, she is not out on bond, so her butt will continue to sit in jail.

I don't know what to think about George. I'm POSITIVE he would not have hurt Caylee. Help with the disposal of the body, maybe. JMO.


The only reason that I believe that it is a possibility of one juror holding out is due to the hughness of this case...you can always find one inparticular person that wants to stand out and maybe get in a movie or book deal....But if the juors are picked carefully enough by both the prosecution and the defense, hopefully that wont happen...

The prosecution has to be on their toes when jury picking, because LKB rely's on a particular type that appear to be able to be swayed by her low tactics.....

But second go round (if it should be hung the first go round) Casey will be found guilty because the high profile status will die down, she will have public defenders and she wont stand a chance....jmo

Like you say...either way Casey will never see the outside of prison again.....

[Tia]

It's my feelings that Casey worked completely alone....a person like Casey wouldn't trust anyone....and lets face it, if someone helped her they would not have left the remains down the street....I'm sure they would have found a more hidden place...

Now, I also feel that IF Cindy had realized from the onset that Casey had infact murdered Caylee, that 911 call would have never been placed and maybe then, the whole family would have been in on moving the body and just saying that Caylee went to live with relatives or something to that nature...

Oh, I totally agree with you there-regarding Cindy and the 911 call. I think Cindy's biggest regret is that call.

I would be willing to bet, that at the time, the fact that Caylee may have been the source of the smell in the car didn't register to Cindy. I don't believe that Cindy ever imagined in her wildest dreams that Casey murdered Caylee.

Like you said, I think had she known, she would have done exactly what you posted above, said she took Caylee and moved away.

[Tia]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Richard Grund has a response to the doc dump on his myspace page. This one is good -

FOR THE RECORD – Jesse did not EVER have a key to Casey’s car. There was no need to have to key to her car when he had a much better vehicle to drive. From what I see in the court documents the only people to have keys to that car were family members.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=512507741

Good for Richard! I think anyone in the Anthony's sights should fire back immediately, just as Richard did here.

[BettyC]

Good for Richard! I think anyone in the Anthony's sights should fire back immediately, just as Richard did here.

He REALLY has alot to say about it. Good for him.

[Duke]

Does KC get the doc dumps before the public? Every motion is started with Now comes the defendant Casey Marie.. Is the defendant the 1st one to view the docs before it becomes public?

[SandyO]

Move over and share your arrrrrggggggg!!!! bench with me? I am not a strong supporter of the death penalty, but I have to seriously consider it when it involves a child.

Caylee trusted her Momma to take care of her and love her. She did not expect to be put in the trunk of Momma's car, Momma to put not one but 3 pieces of duct tape on her mouth, Momma to put her in plastic garbage bags and a laundry bag, expect Momma to go off and party, shop, get a tat and manicure and pole dance while she lay in the woods and flood waters at the mercy of the scavengers and elements.

jmo

It is exactly this point that makes me wonder why the defense never explored an insanity defense more thoroughly. The whole darn thing is insane, yet totally transparent at the same time.

[Tia]

He REALLY has alot to say about it. Good for him.

I just read it, thanks for posting the link. It was very impressive.

I wonder if all of those that the Anthony's are throwing under the bus could file civil suits like Zeneida did?

[msgatorslayer]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Richard Grund has a response to the doc dump on his myspace page. This one is good -

FOR THE RECORD – Jesse did not EVER have a key to Casey’s car. There was no need to have to key to her car when he had a much better vehicle to drive. From what I see in the court documents the only people to have keys to that car were family members.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=512507741

When I read about camp Anthony trying to blame others I always have one question. Why did Casey lie and say the Zanny did it? If one of these other people who do exist kidnapped Caylee, why didn't Casey say so?

The jury is not going to buy into this madness.

[5swab5]

Well, IMO, the trial will only be the beginning of their nightmare.

As more and more comes out to the public, the Anthony's are going to want to respond. Cindy will be chomping at the bit to get out "her side". It going to be a difficult job to keep both of them under control in the courtroom and around the media during the trial.

I am really looking forward to it. I can't see there being a trial, without Cindy getting hauled off in handcuffs at one time or another. George may be able to control himself, but I seriously doubt Cindy will be able to. She has yet to learn she isn't above the law. IMO

[summer]

Good morning everyone!

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

arrrrrggggggg!!!! This statement in the motion makes me so sad.
c. Even if the Prosecution were able to prove that Miss Anthony was responsible for her daughter's death, the death penalty would be grossly disproportionate considering the outcomes of other Florida cases.

Classic. Might as well have said: But your honor, she only did it the one time!

[summer]

Me too Summer. I remember thinking
OH WOW, that poor guy is going in there to seal his daughter's fate. He looked positively sick. And the very next day he was dancing in the street grinning from ear to ear with his tales of live Caylee sitings..9 of them. IMO he was scared of the questions they would ask in the GJ and they didn't ask him the right ones. George is a chameleon, able to change demeanors with the circumstances. He's in this up to his eyebrows and he knows his daughter is guilty. Saving his daughter's skin supercedes finding justice for his granddaughter and that disgusts me to no end.

JMO

Great point, Cassidy. I think that's EXACTLY what happened. The euphoria in George's demeanor was clear. He was nearly ecstatic and manic. I don't think George Anthony's testimony at the GJ had anything to do with his daughter being indicted!

[Dunlurken]

HUNG JURY - A jury that is unable to reach a verdict which, if it persists, usually results in a mistrial being declared by the court.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h018.htm (http://www.google.com/search?q=hung+jury+mistrial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)


Not an erroneous thought at all. You are mistaken not the poster yesterday.
Okay, I'll give you that one. LOL. A question of semantics.

[Spots]

Does KC get the doc dumps before the public? Every motion is started with Now comes the defendant Casey Marie.. Is the defendant the 1st one to view the docs before it becomes public?

I believe that is just formal legal language. Sorta like writing "Dear Mr. Smith" to start a letter complaining about Mr. Smith's service. He's not exactly dear to you, but that's the way it goes......

[summer]

If Casey is aquitted of killing Caylee ....it would be the worst case
of injustice ever in this country IMO.
Not to mention I believe they would have to change her name, appearance and then ship her out of the country.
I do not think the people of the US will stand for her walking around free.
Although once aquitted there is nothing the justice system can do to correct it at least that is what I have always understood it.

I think the State will retry her 10 times before they let her ever walk the streets again.

[Barbara fl.]

It is exactly this point that makes me wonder why the defense never explored an insanity defense more thoroughly. The whole darn thing is insane, yet totally transparent at the same time.


No insanity in this case...Could never have been, once Casey hid the body....Maybe a plea deal...but no insanity....

Casey is a sociopath, which is not considered a mental illness....it's just a name that was invented for people who are heartless, mean, evil....Casey is only concerned about her own neck here....and so is the rest of the family...I really don't see an ounce of sadness from this family for Caylee....

It seems that the ANTHONY'S have a vendetta against everyone around them for this tragedy....all except the one responsible for it...."their daughter"...the one they both brought into this world, the one they raised...the one that turned into a monster murderer.....And they can not handle that, they prefer to bring any and everybody down to their level....The ANTHONY'S are a sad bunch....They were unable to love Caylee, they used her as a tool.......

This all will come back one day to haunt all of them.....Casey's fate is sealed and the rest will get theirs also....jmo

[Dtviewer3]

HUNG JURY - A jury that is unable to reach a verdict which, if it persists, usually results in a mistrial being declared by the court.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h018.htm (http://www.google.com/search?q=hung+jury+mistrial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)


Not an erroneous thought at all. You are mistaken not the poster yesterday.


Thanks. That was me.

[Barbara fl.]

I think the State will retry her 10 times before they let her ever walk the streets again.



Without a doubt....for sure....But it wont take that many times to get her....twice at the most, and that's only because she has such a underhanded team on her side....but when they are gone...she will have nothing.....

[5swab5]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Richard Grund has a response to the doc dump on his myspace page. This one is good -

FOR THE RECORD – Jesse did not EVER have a key to Casey’s car. There was no need to have to key to her car when he had a much better vehicle to drive. From what I see in the court documents the only people to have keys to that car were family members.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=512507741

Thanks for the link.

That LIE was propagated to a local church to parties unknown so somewhere along the line someone will have to track down who had access to that malicious libel and have their names added to the witness list for the civil suit that will occur at a court room near you in the near future.:biggrinjester:

[Barbara fl.]

I am really looking forward to it. I can't see there being a trial, without Cindy getting hauled off in handcuffs at one time or another. George may be able to control himself, but I seriously doubt Cindy will be able to. She has yet to learn she isn't above the law. IMO


I agree...except it may be a straught jacket instead of cuffs....:lol:

[summer]

Without a doubt....for sure....But it wont take that many times to get her....twice at the most, and that's only because she has such a underhanded team on her side....but when they are gone...she will have nothing.....

ITA Barb. I only pray the defense is unable to keep out those jail convos. OMG I've heard them about 100 times and I still can't believe the horror. "What about meeeee! Calling you guys - a waste - a huge waste - gimme Tony's number!"

That'll have a huge, huge impact on the jury.

[LadyHam]

no wonder they don;t want to have the check chg.first because there is no way she can get out of that with all the pictures they have of her shoping and going to the bank.they need to try her now on that and I mean now.jmho

I agree, Martha! Yes they do. Judge Strickland needs to set the court date for the fraud trial ASAP!

[LadyHam]

This too>



If Casey is aquitted of killing Caylee ....it would be the worst case
of injustice ever in this country IMO.
Not to mention I believe they would have to change her name, appearance and then ship her out of the country.
I do not think the people of the US will stand for her walking around free.
Although once aquitted there is nothing the justice system can do to correct it at least that is what I have always understood it.

I agree, trich, I agree! I think Casey is so much safer in jail right now. If she is acquitted, she will never really be "free". She has effectively ruined her life, all by her own actions.

If she ever did get out, I just can't imagine her going back to the Anthony family home and living her life as it was before. It can never be the same again.

[summer]

Yipes, reading Richard Grund's latest post... he says there are other emails soon to be released - promising to DESTROY HIM -- even more scurrilous than the recent batch - if you can imagine.

Good for him defending himself and his family. This cannot stand!

[Tia]

Yipes, reading Richard Grund's latest post... he says there are other emails soon to be released making accusations about him -- even more scurrilous if you can imagine.

Good for him defending himself and his family. This cannot stand!

I asked earlier, but didn't get a response, does anyone know if the Grund's could file a civil suit against the Anthony's?

[Lavinya]

I agree...except it may be a straught jacket instead of cuffs....:lol:

Someone in the courtroom is going to have to be ready with one of those tranquilizer darts. She's going to blow.

[LadyHam]

I don't think Casey will ever feel remorse either, but she may try to act remorseful if she thinks that will get her off.

jmo

Well, when is she going to start? It certainly doesn't seem like she's been acting remorseful, grief-stricken, or sorry at in any of the jailhouse phone calls, jailhouse visits, or court hearings. I wonder if her lawyers are advising her on her demeanor and how to act in court? Even if they did, would she even take their advice?

[Lavinya]

I asked earlier, but didn't get a response, does anyone know if the Grund's could file a civil suit against the Anthony's?

Dunno, Tia. I'm hoping it's the *least* they can do.

[Barbara fl.]

ITA Barb. I only pray the defense is unable to keep out those jail convos. OMG I've heard them about 100 times and I still can't believe the horror. "What about meeeee! Calling you guys - a waste - a huge waste - gimme Tony's number!"

That'll have a huge, huge impact on the jury.


The prosecution is aware that Casey will NOT take the stand...therefore they will have to get in as much of those tapes as possible...and I think they will succeed...

All of Casey actions before and while in jail will be needed....that is what basically got her arrested...All the lies...misleading LE.....not reporting her child missing....

Even having a trial is a joke and waste of tax payers money....But it's the law, and she will have her day in court.....but the outcome will be the same DP/LWOP.....

I honestly would prefer LWOP...and reason being, she will be put in the GP instead of a cell to herself...her automatic appeals can take for ever....and she can end up dying like Couey did....I would rather see her being in the real prison environment/GP, to be afraid to wake up every morning and go to sleep at night....and to know that it will never get any better for the rest of her natural life.....

[LadyHam]

Outstanding Motions in the Criminal Case--- Have I missed any?

Amended Motion For Venue Change
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972634/detail.html

Motion To Dismiss Due To Spoliation Of Evidence
Defense Motion: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972702/detail.html
State's Response: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21090992/detail.html

Order To Directing Jail Videos Be Destroyed
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972696/detail.html

Motion Prohibiting Videotaping Attorney Visits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972622/detail.html

State's Motion to Compel Reciprocal Discovery
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20838315/detail.html
Response To State's Request On Discovery
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20972653/detail.html

Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II of the Indictment
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163520/detail.html

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html

Wow, that is a lot of motions! I bet we have a court hearing very soon. They will probably have to schedule multiple court hearings.

[Dunlurken]

Yipes, reading Richard Grund's latest post... he says there are other emails soon to be released - promising to DESTROY HIM -- even more scurrilous than the recent batch - if you can imagine.

Good for him defending himself and his family. This cannot stand!

Can I ask where you're reading these? PM if necessary. TIA.

[summer]

Can I ask where you're reading these? PM if necessary. TIA.

Look back a few posts - there's a link.

[LadyHam]

About half of the 19 pages that Brad was focused on were indeed released by the State and published by the media by a doc dump. However, there were some pages that the Media hasn't yet released to the public, and these pages may not yet have been released to the media.

Seems to me this is a clear case of the defense "leaking" documents. Leaking to Cindy & George, and to BConway. Who then leaked to the media.

And BC was even talking about evidence when he didn't have the paperwork right there to back up his claims. When he was talking about the unidentified hair that didn't belong to either Casey or Caylee, he didn't have the documents, although he took a few moments to look for them. He then said he didn't want to comment on that because he didn't have the documentation in front of him. Well, if he didn't have the documents to support his claim, why even bring it up at all? On another site, they were saying that the unidentified hair had actually come from the shovel and not the duct tape. So BC got some "misinformation" out there during his press conference. It's ironic that the whole reason for the press conference in the first place (according the BC) was because of all the misinformation that is already out there in the media. And then at the press conference, he goes on to spread even more misinformation.:thumbdown:

[LadyHam]

It will be a bit late for remorse at that point. She needed to show remorse and concern during the 31 days her daughter was "missing". She can spend the entire trial sobbing in her chair and no jury is going to buy it!

I agree. Any remorse, guilt, shame, or sorrow she shows now can be interpreted as her feeling sorry for herself, not what happened to Caylee. JMO.

[Lavinya]

And BC was even talking about evidence when he didn't have the paperwork right there to back up his claims. When he was talking about the unidentified hair that didn't belong to either Casey or Caylee, he didn't have the documents, although he took a few moments to look for them. He then said he didn't want to comment on that because he didn't have the documentation in front of him. Well, if he didn't have the documents to support his claim, why even bring it up at all? On another site, they were saying that the unidentified hair had actually come from the shovel and not the duct tape. So BC got some "misinformation" out there during his press conference. It's ironic that the whole reason for the press conference in the first place (according the BC) was because of all the misinformation that is already out there in the media. And then at the press conference, he goes on to spread even more misinformation.:thumbdown:

You call it irony, I call it strategy, lol. (Not good strategy, but strategy.)

[summer]

I think you totally missed the point. If she is acquitted the State can NEVER retry her again. Only in the case of a mis-trial can they decide to retry her.

I must've been reading too fast. Apologies for misrepresenting your post.

[Dunlurken]

I think you totally missed the point. If she is acquitted the State can NEVER retry her again. Only in the case of a mis-trial can they decide to retry her.

Sent you a PM. So, in effect a hung jury is the same as a mis-trial. That's why prosecution works so hard to have a guilty verdict. No hung jury, no mistrial.

Here's a for instance. Phil Spector had a hung jury. He was re-tried and found guilty. Prosecution has their work cut out for them on this one. JMO.

[LadyHam]

ITA, and she NEVER anticipated any of this. She double bagged Caylee, threw her out like trash and moved on with her life.

IMO, Casey figured she would lie her way out of it like everything else, and if that didn't work, Cindy would lie for her.

She appears to have been raised to blame everyone else, always the victim, so pinning Caylee's murder on anyone was absolutely NO problem for Casey or any of the Anthony's. Its the only way they know.

I imagine they are devastated that the general public does not believe their lies.

I wonder if she thought she would be perceived as a poor grieving mother who had her child kidnapped by her evil nanny? If she wanted to go that route, then she should have gone to LE on day 1, and not waited until her mother did on day 31.

[LadyHam]

I do believe that if Casey is acquitted of Caylee's murder and is released back into society, I have no doubt that people will try and kill Casey themselves.

I think that would be a big concern. She would have to get body guards, change her appearance and name, and move out of Orlando. She would probably have to leave the country.

[LadyHam]

I was disappointed that this doc dump didn't include pics of Casey's tattoo. Shame on me for feeling so mean, but I really want Casey to experience the feeling that she has "no privacy."

Why didn't it? I thought the doc dump would contain the pictures of her tattoo as well. Any reason why they were not released? I didn't see a motion filed by the defense team or The Anthony's to block their release.

[msgatorslayer]

I wonder if she thought she would be perceived as a poor grieving mother who had her child kidnapped by her evil nanny? If she wanted to go that route, then she should have gone to LE on day 1, and not waited until her mother did on day 31.

IMO, Casey realized that making a story up to explain why her Daughter wasn't around would be difficult. So she avoided it completely and went about her life while evading her Mother.

[summer]

I think that would be a big concern. She would have to get body guards, change her appearance and name, and move out of Orlando. She would probably have to leave the country.

Oh geez, now I have visions of her living on the French Riviera. :w00t:

[crimeq]

Well, when is she going to start? It certainly doesn't seem like she's been acting remorseful, grief-stricken, or sorry at in any of the jailhouse phone calls, jailhouse visits, or court hearings. I wonder if her lawyers are advising her on her demeanor and how to act in court? Even if they did, would she even take their advice?

I bet even Jose smacked her down after the pen incident, when she flirtatiously took it away from him. He looked shocked, and momentarily -- if looks could kill!

I'm sure AL has told her a lot about how to behave.

[5swab5]

Someone in the courtroom is going to have to be ready with one of those tranquilizer darts. She's going to blow.

:lol: I hope they offer it on DVD, I would watch that over and over and over.

[Duke]

Thank you for the explation Spots. It is hard to undertatand legal language for me. OMG who is who here? I feel like I am lurking on a alien planet. I miss the old nics.

OK it is a beautiful Friday here in Florida, I wonder what Casey is doing? Her fingers must be tapping away on her cell I guess:tonguewag:

[Dunlurken]

Look back a few posts - there's a link.

Is it a media link? If so, not worth the effort looking for it. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

Thank you for the explation Spots. It is hard to undertatand legal language for me. OMG who is who here? I feel like I am lurking on a alien planet. I miss the old nics.

OK it is a beautiful Friday here in Florida, I wonder what Casey is doing? Her fingers must be tapping away on her cell I guess:tonguewag:


It's Thursday here in Florida...what planet are you on? :laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

IMO, Casey realized that making a story up to explain why her Daughter wasn't around would be difficult. So she avoided it completely and went about her life while evading her Mother.

That is exatly what she did.....I just wonder how long she thought she was going to get away with it...?

[Sun]

Why didn't it? I thought the doc dump would contain the pictures of her tattoo as well. Any reason why they were not released? I didn't see a motion filed by the defense team or The Anthony's to block their release.

I just have no clue as to why the State hasn't yet released photos of Casey's tattoo(s). I can't think of any reason why those photos would be held back, such as for an on-going investigation concerning them.

Oh well, I am sure that they will someday be released.

[Lavinya]

It's Thursday here in Florida...what planet are you on? :laugh:

:laugh::laugh:

[LadyHam]

The prosecution is aware that Casey will NOT take the stand...therefore they will have to get in as much of those tapes as possible...and I think they will succeed...

All of Casey actions before and while in jail will be needed....that is what basically got her arrested...All the lies...misleading LE.....not reporting her child missing....

Even having a trial is a joke and waste of tax payers money....But it's the law, and she will have her day in court.....but the outcome will be the same DP/LWOP.....

I honestly would prefer LWOP...and reason being, she will be put in the GP instead of a cell to herself...her automatic appeals can take for ever....and she can end up dying like Couey did....I would rather see her being in the real prison environment/GP, to be afraid to wake up every morning and go to sleep at night....and to know that it will never get any better for the rest of her natural life.....

Bolding by me....

If Casey gets LWOP instead of the DP, she'll also have to work, won't she? :D

[LadyHam]

Sent you a PM. So, in effect a hung jury is the same as a mis-trial. That's why prosecution works so hard to have a guilty verdict. No hung jury, no mistrial.

Here's a for instance. Phil Spector had a hung jury. He was re-tried and found guilty. Prosecution has their work cut out for them on this one. JMO.

Was PS also retried on lesser, less serious charges? I don't want that to happen in this case. Casey is young and if she is convicted of lesser charges, she may one day be able to get out of prison.

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding by me....

If Casey gets LWOP instead of the DP, she'll also have to work, won't she? :D


For 22 cent a day.....:biggrin:

[Spots]

Bolding by me....

If Casey gets LWOP instead of the DP, she'll also have to work, won't she? :D

Perish the thought, I do believe she would!

I don't have any strong opinion on LWOP vs DP, except that I'd looooooove to see AL lose a big case. :D

[5swab5]

For 22 cent a day.....:biggrin:

At least she will finally have a job.:biggrinjester:

[Barbara fl.]

I think you totally missed the point. If she is acquitted the State can NEVER retry her again. Only in the case of a mis-trial can they decide to retry her.

Casey get acquitted? :lol::lol::lol:....never, never, never...That's only a CINDY ANTHONY dream....

[SandyO]

Thank you for the explation Spots. It is hard to undertatand legal language for me. OMG who is who here? I feel like I am lurking on a alien planet. I miss the old nics.

OK it is a beautiful Friday here in Florida, I wonder what Casey is doing? Her fingers must be tapping away on her cell I guess:tonguewag:

Isn't it amazing that Casey has been in jail almost a year now ---- and even more stunning that from all we can see she seems to be tolerating it fairly well!

[Barbara fl.]

At least she will finally have a job.:biggrinjester:


Yep, and she will earn that candy bar at the end of the week....:smile:

[Barbara fl.]

Isn't it amazing that Casey has been in jail almost a year now ---- and even more stunning that from all we can see she seems to be tolerating it fairly well!


From what we can see....but she is not being filmed in jail...but she better enjoy jail while it lasts.....prison will be another story....:laugh:

[jammies]

Yep, and she will earn that candy bar at the end of the week....:smile:

Wonder if she ate lots of candy as a kid? Just heard they linked kid candy eaters to violent crime later in life.

Gotta love "researchers"! :rolleyes:

[Tia]

Casey get acquitted? :lol::lol::lol:....never, never, never...That's only a CINDY ANTHONY dream....

Yup! I can't see what the defense could possibly present that would even cause reasonable doubt, and I base that only on what we have seen-we know there is a ton more out there!

[msgatorslayer]

That is exatly what she did.....I just wonder how long she thought she was going to get away with it...?

Dunno, but she was in for serious problems, on Caylee's birthday.

[Tia]

From what we can see....but she is not being filmed in jail...but she better enjoy jail while it lasts.....prison will be another story....:laugh:

IMO, she looked a little "rough" at her last court appearance.

[Dtviewer3]

I just have no clue as to why the State hasn't yet released photos of Casey's tattoo(s). I can't think of any reason why those photos would be held back, such as for an on-going investigation concerning them.

Oh well, I am sure that they will someday be released.

They may have released them in this doc dump and maybe the media hasnt posted them yet.

[Barbara fl.]

Was PS also retried on lesser, less serious charges? I don't want that to happen in this case. Casey is young and if she is convicted of lesser charges, she may one day be able to get out of prison.

With PS he will be in jail for the rest of his natural life...his was easy to be retried on the same charges because the jury was unbalanced against him...

Casey (if the first trial is hung) will be tried for 1st degree murder again...unless the jury is balanced or in her favor (which will never happen)....Only then will the prosecution seek a lesser charge....

But I really do no see any floors in the states case....therefore she would get murder one either way.....

[KittyMom]

Bolding by me....

If Casey gets LWOP instead of the DP, she'll also have to work, won't she? :D

Now THAT had me lol. :laugh: Can't you just see Mz Casey pushing a mop or washing drawers. :thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

BBM So, basically the def is saying that even if the state can prove that Casey killed Caylee, Caylee's life isn't as valuable as Casey's.

:thumbdown:

That is exactly what they are saying with that motion. Caylee's gone, no bringing her back, oh well. But we don't want Casey to get the DP that would be "overkill", after all. :cursing:

[msgatorslayer]

Now THAT had me lol. :laugh: Can't you just see Mz Casey pushing a mop or washing drawers. :thumbsup:

While it will never happen, what I'd like to see Casey doing is working on the side of the road, cleaning up trash, in one of those white and black stripped jail uniforms. :thumbup:

[Barbara fl.]

IMO, she looked a little "rough" at her last court appearance.

I agree...it appears that being locked up in a small cell is taking a toll on her.....I also believe that she will NEVER forgive Cindy for calling 911....(I'm surprised she hasn't put a hit out on her :wink:)

[Sun]

Isn't it amazing that Casey has been in jail almost a year now ---- and even more stunning that from all we can see she seems to be tolerating it fairly well!

The jail is tasked with Casey's well-being while she is in their custody. I am quite surprised that more leaks haven't come out in regards to Casey's habits or behavior in the jail.

[jammies]

While it will never happen, what I'd like to see Casey doing is working on the side of the road, cleaning up trash, in one of those white and black stripped jail uniforms. :thumbup:


Workin' on the chain gang....:thumbsup:

[KittyMom]

While it will never happen, what I'd like to see Casey doing is working on the side of the road, cleaning up trash, in one of those white and black stripped jail uniforms. :thumbup:

With chains around her ankles. :thumbsup:

[ish]

It's my feelings that Casey worked completely alone....a person like Casey wouldn't trust anyone....and lets face it, if someone helped her they would not have left the remains down the street....I'm sure they would have found a more hidden place...

Now, I also feel that IF Cindy had realized from the onset that Casey had infact murdered Caylee, that 911 call would have never been placed and maybe then, the whole family would have been in on moving the body and just saying that Caylee went to live with relatives or something to that nature...

my bold

I agree, I think she did it alone and confided in no one. I doubt she has even told her lawyers the truth. As we have learned from the talking heads, defense lawyers don't want to know the truth. If they do they can't put people on the stand who they know are going to lie, and let's face it, most of the defense witnesses (George, Cindy) are going to lie.

I haven't seen one person in Casey's circle of friends that seems capable of helping to kill or dispose of a child. The fact that Caylee was so close to home tells me Casey killed her. And I think Kio was right on track with the "burial". In Florida there are so many places to dispose of a body where no trace of it will ever be found. Swamps, gators etc. Putting her so close to the house... I don't think she wanted her found, but I do think it was the last act of any kind of caring or emotional attachment to her. Just like they did with the hamsters, a couple of bags, some x' and 0's and they're gone to heaven.

[Barbara fl.]

While it will never happen, what I'd like to see Casey doing is working on the side of the road, cleaning up trash, in one of those white and black stripped jail uniforms. :thumbup:


Ya, but that's only for trusties......She will get that hard labor...moping floors all day with a big big mop....doing laundry by the truck loads....that kind of stuff....and all for 22 cents a day....:thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

With PS he will be in jail for the rest of his natural life...his was easy to be retried on the same charges because the jury was unbalanced against him...

Casey (if the first trial is hung) will be tried for 1st degree murder again...unless the jury is balanced or in her favor (which will never happen)....Only then will the prosecution seek a lesser charge....

But I really do no see any floors in the states case....therefore she would get murder one either way.....

Let's say worst case scenario...she gets a mistrial. It will have taken the def. almost 2 years to get ready for this one if it goes until next summer or fall. Tack another 2 years onto that to get ready for the second trial and on and on............

[Barbara fl.]

my bold

I agree, I think she did it alone and confided in no one. I doubt she has even told her lawyers the truth. As we have learned from the talking heads, defense lawyers don't want to know the truth. If they do they can't put people on the stand who they know are going to lie, and let's face it, most of the defense witnesses (George, Cindy) are going to lie.

I haven't seen one person in Casey's circle of friends that seems capable of helping to kill or dispose of a child. The fact that Caylee was so close to home tells me Casey killed her. And I think Kio was right on track with the "burial". In Florida there are so many places to dispose of a body where no trace of it will ever be found. Swamps, gators etc. Putting her so close to the house... I don't think she wanted her found, but I do think it was the last act of any kind of caring or emotional attachment to her. Just like they did with the hamsters, a couple of bags, some x' and 0's and they're gone to heaven.


I think she didn't have enough gas to get any further....

[denjet]

Hello everyone!

...was reading this over on Caylee Daily and found it interesting:

Casey Anthony’s Defense Afraid of DP Jurors (http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/10/casey-anthonys-defense-afraid-of-dp-jurors/)

About the motion to throw out the DP and the defense's claim that the state is going after the death penalty for strategic reasons:
“The Prosecution appears to be seeking the death penalty in this case to “”obtain a conviction-prone jury”" where such a punishment is clearly unwarranted,” the lawyers said.

The article goes on to say:
Death Penalty jurors won’t entertain nonsense theories like the Defense’s invisible zanny, cults or even the Jesse Grund did it theory … (excerpts below from deathpenatlyinfo.org)

……..anyone who had doubts about the death penalty — a category that conveniently and disproportionately includes African-Americans and women. The very people many experts say are most likely to question prosecutors’ arguments and hold to a presumption of innocence — death-penalty opponents — had been systematically kept out of the jury box.

“You end up with a group of people who evaluate evidence a little differently, who are more likely to find evidence to be incriminating, and who generally don’t even understand or accept the concept of presumption of innocence.

[MGM111]

Isn't it amazing that Casey has been in jail almost a year now ---- and even more stunning that from all we can see she seems to be tolerating it fairly well!

Hello SandyO.....reason being is that she is a textbook Sociopath...

[Barbara fl.]

Let's say worst case scenario...she gets a mistrial. It will have taken the def. almost 2 years to get ready for this one if it goes until next summer or fall. Tack another 2 years onto that to get ready for the second trial and on and on............


YEP!!! either way she will never see the outside world again....and I think she knows it.....

[Dtviewer3]

Let's say worst case scenario...she gets a mistrial. It will have taken the def. almost 2 years to get ready for this one if it goes until next summer or fall. Tack another 2 years onto that to get ready for the second trial and on and on............


I dont think Baez, AL, LKB and the rest would stick around for a second trial.
She would probably have a public defender and the second trial would go much quicker.

[msgatorslayer]

Ya, but that's only for trusties......She will get that hard labor...moping floors all day with a big big mop....doing laundry by the truck loads....that kind of stuff....and all for 22 cents a day....:thumbsup:

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be a wonderful sight.

[Barbara fl.]

Hello everyone!

...was reading this over on Caylee Daily and found it interesting:

Casey Anthony’s Defense Afraid of DP Jurors (http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/10/casey-anthonys-defense-afraid-of-dp-jurors/)

About the motion to throw out the DP and the defense's claim that the state is going after the death penalty for strategic reasons:
“The Prosecution appears to be seeking the death penalty in this case to “”obtain a conviction-prone jury”" where such a punishment is clearly unwarranted,” the lawyers said.

The article goes on to say:
Death Penalty jurors won’t entertain nonsense theories like the Defense’s invisible zanny, cults or even the Jesse Grund did it theory … (excerpts below from deathpenatlyinfo.org)

……..anyone who had doubts about the death penalty — a category that conveniently and disproportionately includes African-Americans and women. The very people many experts say are most likely to question prosecutors’ arguments and hold to a presumption of innocence — death-penalty opponents — had been systematically kept out of the jury box.

“You end up with a group of people who evaluate evidence a little differently, who are more likely to find evidence to be incriminating, and who generally don’t even understand or accept the concept of presumption of innocence.

Just what we need for Casey....:laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be a wonderful sight.


But one thing is for sure....she will be looking over her shoulder continously.....she will come to find out the fear she must have put Caylee thru...only her's will last for a life time...

[Kathlb]

I dont think Baez, AL, LKB and the rest would stick around for a second trial.
She would probably have a public defender and the second trial would go much quicker.

You could be right on that. Spector's big Hollywood crew quit him after the first one and he had to settle for one lawyer, an older man, on the second. And it did go quicker and resulted in a resounding "GUILTY".

[Barbara fl.]

I dont think Baez, AL, LKB and the rest would stick around for a second trial.
She would probably have a public defender and the second trial would go much quicker.


No, their job will be done after the first go round....Then Casey wil be on her own....I wonder if Cindy is saving any money for a defense team, in the event of that taking place?.....:wink:

[Barbara fl.]

Imo, Cindy and possibly even George, are actually incapable of the depth of emotion required to feel the loss of Caylee in the way most of us here would, and actually do. The nightmare they are living has more to do, imo, with the damage to their public image. Cindy also exhibits the behaviors of a truly malignant control freak, which is prompting the majority of her outrageous behavior, imo, and George's additional motivation seems to be his fear of losing Cindy.

I think, if either of these people were capable of any real depth of feeling, they would long ago have fallen completely apart, and removed themselves from the public eye, no matter how they felt about Casey and her involvement.

I don't buy they are trying to save Casey out of concern for Casey. At all. No one in the immediate Anthony family, from my observation, is capable of putting another before themselves. They aren't capable, imo, of feeling such a depth of love for Casey that they must save her, no matter the cost. Their motives for their behavior and public stance are entirely self-serving, imo.



Very well put and true.......

[Tia]

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it would be a wonderful sight.

What I would like is for her to be locked up and forgotten about.
What will hurt Casey the most is when she finds out that no one cares about her or is talking about her anymore.

[summer]

Imo, Cindy and possibly even George, are actually incapable of the depth of emotion required to feel the loss of Caylee in the way most of us here would, and actually do. The nightmare they are living has more to do, imo, with the damage to their public image. Cindy also exhibits the behaviors of a truly malignant control freak, which is prompting the majority of her outrageous behavior, imo, and George's additional motivation seems to be his fear of losing Cindy.

I think, if either of these people were capable of any real depth of feeling, they would long ago have fallen completely apart, and removed themselves from the public eye, no matter how they felt about Casey and her involvement.

I don't buy they are trying to save Casey out of concern for Casey. At all. No one in the immediate Anthony family, from my observation, is capable of putting another before themselves. They aren't capable, imo, of feeling such a depth of love for Casey that they must save her, no matter the cost. Their motives for their behavior and public stance are entirely self-serving, imo.

I agree with you 100% Impurr... and you just coined the precise descriptor for Cindy Anthony... "Malignant Control Freak". Right on.

[summer]

What I would like is for her to be locked up and forgotten about.
What will hurt Casey the most is when she finds out that no one cares about her or is talking about her anymore.

ITA. They say the opposite of love is not hate - it's INDIFFERENCE.

Yes, that will be the deepest cut.

[Duke]

It's Thursday here in Florida...what planet are you on? :laugh:



LOL you got me there:w00t:

Happy Thursday everyone.

[summer]

Neither do I. I suspect he "mis-truthed" in the GJ just as he has all along the way. And I fervently hope Ashton's request for George's GJ testimony puts him (GA) in legal jeopardy.

IMO the whole family should be tethered together working on a chain gang for a very long time. Can you imagine the four of them digging ditches day in and day out clinking and clanking their chains together?

If only life worked like that. :thumbup:

[Rayosunshine]

HUNG JURY - A jury that is unable to reach a verdict which, if it persists, usually results in a mistrial being declared by the court.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h018.htm (http://www.google.com/search?q=hung+jury+mistrial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)


Not an erroneous thought at all. You are mistaken not the poster yesterday.


Yep. Sat on a criminal case and hung the jury. Game was over.

[crimeq]

Isn't it amazing that Casey has been in jail almost a year now ---- and even more stunning that from all we can see she seems to be tolerating it fairly well!

And NOT screaming her innocence! I would be screaming my innocence at the top of my lungs.

[Duke]

Well, when is she going to start? It certainly doesn't seem like she's been acting remorseful, grief-stricken, or sorry at in any of the jailhouse phone calls, jailhouse visits, or court hearings. I wonder if her lawyers are advising her on her demeanor and how to act in court? Even if they did, would she even take their advice?

Lady,

I think she is in her own la la land glancing "loving looks" to her momma. What? You don't see the love?:tonguewag:

[LadyHam]

That is exatly what she did.....I just wonder how long she thought she was going to get away with it...?

I wonder if she is surprised that she was able to get away w/it for 31 days w/out getting caught? If the car hadn't been impounded, she might have been able to get away w/it for a little bit longer. But not too long. Amy would have realized really quickly that Casey had stolen from her.

[Dtviewer3]

....no one has any thoughts on the mysterious 2nd shovel, or the "Zanny who is a 10" in the picture with the flag wrapped around her Casey style?

Or am I on too many ignore lists?!


I dont think there is a 2nd shovel.
I believe that was just a mistake from the media article.

The Zanny who is a 10 picture....has as much to do with this case as Casey's ZFG.
In other words....nothing.

[crimeq]

I agree...it appears that being locked up in a small cell is taking a toll on her.....I also believe that she will NEVER forgive Cindy for calling 911....(I'm surprised she hasn't put a hit out on her :wink:)

I'm sure Casey holds Cindy responsible for her incarceration. I also believe that if Cindy had it to do over, she never would have made those 911 calls. Didn't George say something about he and Cindy felt responsible for throwing Casey under the bus? NEITHER of them would ever call 911 on Casey if they could turn back time.

[neid_77]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Richard Grund has a response to the doc dump on his myspace page. This one is good -

FOR THE RECORD – Jesse did not EVER have a key to Casey’s car. There was no need to have to key to her car when he had a much better vehicle to drive. From what I see in the court documents the only people to have keys to that car were family members.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=512507741



i'll tell you one thing!!! if these people don't file some suit defimation case against these people i will be shocked THEY DID NOT DESERVE THIS!!! They loved caylee more than anthony's and this is what you get!!! HOW EVIL!!!!:cursing: this speechless as so much of the BIGTIME B.S. in this case....

Caylee Marie:wub::wub:

[crimeq]

Does anyone remember how long Cindy drove Casey around in the car, after she picked her up at Tone's and dropped off Amy -- seems I remember it was quite a while? (pulling this out of long term memory, may be faulty).

I've always wondered if maybe this isn't where the coverup "script" started. I can't imagine an irate Cindy just driving Casey around -- she wanted answers.

What time did she leave Tone's with Casey?

What time was the first 911 call?

[Tia]

I'm sure Casey holds Cindy responsible for her incarceration. I also believe that if Cindy had it to do over, she never would have made those 911 calls. Didn't George say something about he and Cindy felt responsible for throwing Casey under the bus? NEITHER of them would ever call 911 on Casey if they could turn back time.

I pretty much posted the same thing earlier. I have no doubt they are both full of regret. I think it wasn't too long after the call that they both knew Caylee was dead. I even think that they knew where Casey put her-JMO

[LadyHam]

my bold

I agree, I think she did it alone and confided in no one. I doubt she has even told her lawyers the truth. As we have learned from the talking heads, defense lawyers don't want to know the truth. If they do they can't put people on the stand who they know are going to lie, and let's face it, most of the defense witnesses (George, Cindy) are going to lie.

I haven't seen one person in Casey's circle of friends that seems capable of helping to kill or dispose of a child. The fact that Caylee was so close to home tells me Casey killed her. And I think Kio was right on track with the "burial". In Florida there are so many places to dispose of a body where no trace of it will ever be found. Swamps, gators etc. Putting her so close to the house... I don't think she wanted her found, but I do think it was the last act of any kind of caring or emotional attachment to her. Just like they did with the hamsters, a couple of bags, some x' and 0's and they're gone to heaven.

If she told her lawyers anything, I think she told them it was just a terrible accident and she panicked and tried to cover it up. I think that is at least what she told JB. I don't even know what to think she possibly told LKN, TM, and AL. :shrug:

[LadyHam]

I dont think Baez, AL, LKB and the rest would stick around for a second trial.
She would probably have a public defender and the second trial would go much quicker.

If this case stays as high profile as it's been up to this point, there will most likely be a new cast of Attorneys ready to step in and offer up their services pro bono. The publicity this case generates will bring them in.

[BettyC]

I agree wth Dtv. I don't think there is a 2nd shovel. That particular media source got it wrong.

Re - the photo - I think Casey found that picture somewhere and copied the "clothes" for her party... I don't think that girl is related to this case in any way.

[Spots]

If this case stays as high profile as it's been up to this point, there will most likely be a new cast of Attorneys ready to step in and offer up their services pro bono. The publicity this case generates will bring them in.

Spector II was a total bust on publicity, especially compared to Spector I. Those attorneys did not work pro bono, either.

Once the public knows all the juicy gossip and the evidence LE has, they'll lose interest over the 2 years it takes to schedule a second trial.

[LadyHam]

Hello everyone!

...was reading this over on Caylee Daily and found it interesting:

Casey Anthony’s Defense Afraid of DP Jurors (http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/10/casey-anthonys-defense-afraid-of-dp-jurors/)

About the motion to throw out the DP and the defense's claim that the state is going after the death penalty for strategic reasons:
“The Prosecution appears to be seeking the death penalty in this case to “”obtain a conviction-prone jury”" where such a punishment is clearly unwarranted,” the lawyers said.

The article goes on to say:
Death Penalty jurors won’t entertain nonsense theories like the Defense’s invisible zanny, cults or even the Jesse Grund did it theory … (excerpts below from deathpenatlyinfo.org)

……..anyone who had doubts about the death penalty — a category that conveniently and disproportionately includes African-Americans and women. The very people many experts say are most likely to question prosecutors’ arguments and hold to a presumption of innocence — death-penalty opponents — had been systematically kept out of the jury box.

“You end up with a group of people who evaluate evidence a little differently, who are more likely to find evidence to be incriminating, and who generally don’t even understand or accept the concept of presumption of innocence.

I agree! I've also heard that a DP qualified jury is more likely to convict. It's no wonder the defense doesn't want the DP to be on the table.

[crimeq]

Ya, but that's only for trusties......She will get that hard labor...moping floors all day with a big big mop....doing laundry by the truck loads....that kind of stuff....and all for 22 cents a day....:thumbsup:

This really is better for her than the DP. I wonder how long she'd last in GP though.

LWOP would be harder on her than DP, I think.

[LadyHam]

YEP!!! either way she will never see the outside world again....and I think she knows it.....

See, I think she is still daydreaming about beating the odds. Especially w/the recent round of motions the defense just filed. I think she's still hoping there is a chance she will get out of this.

[crimeq]

YEP!!! either way she will never see the outside world again....and I think she knows it.....

Barbara, I think that showed on her face in the last hearing. She has finally accepted some knowledge about her fate.

[Jen]

See, I think she is still daydreaming about beating the odds. Especially w/the recent round of motions the defense just filed. I think she's still hoping there is a chance she will get out of this.


Yep, I totally agree!

[LadyHam]

I'm sure Casey holds Cindy responsible for her incarceration. I also believe that if Cindy had it to do over, she never would have made those 911 calls. Didn't George say something about he and Cindy felt responsible for throwing Casey under the bus? NEITHER of them would ever call 911 on Casey if they could turn back time.

Bolding by me....

Yes, I remember hearing about that too. I think it was Hoover who said that in his deposition in the ZFG civil case. Cindy probably feels she threw Casey under the bus for the 911 calls, and George probably feels he threw Casey under the bus for his GJ testimony. In reality, Casey threw herself under the bus all by herself. JMO.

[Scampi]

Spector II was a total bust on publicity, especially compared to Spector I. Those attorneys did not work pro bono, either.

Once the public knows all the juicy gossip and the evidence LE has, they'll lose interest over the 2 years it takes to schedule a second trial.

I agree with this. baden, lyon and jose have one shot to throw as much malarkey at the jury as possible, in the hopes they have one wingnut on there who does not understand the meaning of "reasonable" doubt. They know their best shot is a hung jury, not that they will ever get a not guilty. No matter how many times they whine casey anthony is innocent.

I think she will be convicted on the first go round, but you never know. If there is a retrial, it will go just like you say with another lawyer, probably a pd and no fanfare.

[LadyHam]

i'll tell you one thing!!! if these people don't file some suit defimation case against these people i will be shocked THEY DID NOT DESERVE THIS!!! They loved caylee more than anthony's and this is what you get!!! HOW EVIL!!!!:cursing: this speechless as so much of the BIGTIME B.S. in this case....

Caylee Marie:wub::wub:

It's quite shocking to me to see all the innocent people being dragged through the mud in this case. I've never seen anything like this before in my life. It's unbelievable!

[crimeq]

I wonder if she is surprised that she was able to get away w/it for 31 days w/out getting caught? If the car hadn't been impounded, she might have been able to get away w/it for a little bit longer. But not too long. Amy would have realized really quickly that Casey had stolen from her.

Lady Ham, I think Casey wanted the car to be stolen, expected it to be stolen and that would be her cover - Caylee was in the car when it was stolen.

Casey was planning a trip to CA to see what's his name, so she was doing some future planning. She got caught - and remember she asked Cindy for "one more day". She would have high-tailed it out of there so fast.

[Scampi]

Bolding by me....

Yes, I remember hearing about that too. I think it was Hoover who said that in his deposition in the ZFG civil case. Cindy probably feels she threw Casey under the bus for the 911 calls, and George probably feels he threw Casey under the bus for his GJ testimony. In reality, Casey threw herself under the bus all by herself. JMO.

What a shame that they weren't more concerned that casey anthony threw Caylee under the bus.

Caylee who?

[Lapis]

I asked earlier, but didn't get a response, does anyone know if the Grund's could file a civil suit against the Anthony's?

The e-mails between the Anthonys and the private detective were private correspondence and not intended to be made public. To succeed in a slander, liable or defamation suit the "statements" need to be publicly made. JMO

[need2no]

I don't know why you'd be on anyone's ignore list Ellie.

I agree wth Dtv. I don't think there is a 2nd shovel. That particular media source got it wrong.

Re - the photo - I think Casey found that picture somewhere and copied the "clothes" for her party... I don't think that girl is related to this case in any way.

It appears the media made several mis-statements yesterday, IMO.
However, when I read about the shovel I couldn't help but think of Paul Kovach's story.

~snippets~

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Orlando station WFTV spoke to a possible eyewitness who claims he saw a woman closely resembling tot mom Casey Anthony near a wooded area with a shovel and bag in late June.

PAUL KOVACH, WITNESS: White car, black bra (ph) on the front. That area right there is where she was coming out of the woods with a shovel.

KOVACH: Trying to get the bag and the shovel into the trunk, she darn near knocked her hat off her head, ran her head into the car and everything.

Just sayin......

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/17/ng.01.html

Also I do find it mighty coincidental the woman in that pic wearing a flag dress is named Zenaida. How the heck would casey stumble across this on line. What are the odds. LK-weird.

[Tia]

The e-mails between the Anthonys and the private detective were private correspondence and not intended to be made public. To succeed in a slander, liable or defamation suit the "statements" need to be publicly made. JMO

Thank you Lapis. I understand. Thats why Zenedia could file a suit, the Anthony's publicly named her as the kidnapper.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by crimeq
I'm sure Casey holds Cindy responsible for her incarceration. I also believe that if Cindy had it to do over, she never would have made those 911 calls. Didn't George say something about he and Cindy felt responsible for throwing Casey under the bus? NEITHER of them would ever call 911 on Casey if they could turn back time.

BBM
I recall that JHoover said this in the depo with Morgan. Not sure if George did, but he might of said it also.

Casey has likely got some big-time pent up anger built up. I keep thinking about Lyon's motions asking that the jail be prevented from monitoring or taping Casey's visits with attorneys and family. There is definately something that Casey and her defense don't want the public to see.

[Lapis]

I just have no clue as to why the State hasn't yet released photos of Casey's tattoo(s). I can't think of any reason why those photos would be held back, such as for an on-going investigation concerning them.

Oh well, I am sure that they will someday be released.

IIRC there was some discussion at the meeting in the judge's chambers regarding agreeing on the taking of the photos. The agreement may have included a stipulation not to release the photos to the public. JMO

[Dtviewer3]

IIRC there was some discussion at the meeting in the judge's chambers regarding agreeing on the taking of the photos. The agreement may have included a stipulation not to release the photos to the public. JMO


Or as I mentioned above maybe they were released and the media who requested the discovery hasnt posted them (yet).

We have had doc dumps that were said to be thousands of pages long but it seems the media only puts out what they find interesting.

[taylor63]

You know, maybe her parents are just so embarrassed that they cannot deal with the truth. IMO Casey is just complete ill and her parents are losing their minds. I believe they knew what happened but cannot deal with it so they have just shut down and spew their lies because they just can't help it. They are desperate. Mr. and Mrs. Anthony both need to be held accountable for the cover-up and that IS so clear. Maybe Cindy just can't handle the true facts and prefers to be behind bars just like her daughter because she is feels she is just as guilty. It is beyond my mind where they cannot even comprehend the emptiness of missing a grandchild. Cindy's emails with DC are abundantly clear that she is trying to create another story to save her daughter Casey.

Duke

I agree I think there's alot of dysfunction and mental illness that runs deep in that family. That's not an excuse in anyway for their actions,but it probably is the reason behind why they do some of the crazy,outrageous thing they do and say.

[Duke]

:seeya: Happy Thursday Duke!

Thank you :smile:and I would like to blame my day mix up on jet lag but I never have left Tally.

[Daffodil]

Well, IMO, the trial will only be the beginning of their nightmare.

As more and more comes out to the public, the Anthony's are going to want to respond. Cindy will be chomping at the bit to get out "her side". It going to be a difficult job to keep both of them under control in the courtroom and around the media during the trial.



Just jumping in here and trying to catch up.

If George and Cindy are listed as witnesses, that would mean they would not be allowed in the courtroom until it was time for them to testify. Correct? How does this get handled in today's day with live internet or live cable programs showing the trial live? TIA

[Katprint]

The e-mails between the Anthonys and the private detective were private correspondence and not intended to be made public. To succeed in a slander, liable or defamation suit the "statements" need to be publicly made. JMO
IMO, some of the "statements" in the recently released documents were sufficiently publicized to constitute defamation, even though they were not previously released to the press. For example, the "Characters of Interest" chart list of people to be excluded from Caylee's memorial indicates it was distributed to "Security Detail, SGT Crews, OPD, (and) Brad Conway." Naturally the Anthonys can say whatever they like about whomever they like to their attorney, but there is no privilege to tell the Security Detail, the SGT Crews and the Orlando Police Dept. that Richard Grund, for example, made "Threats against Family" if that is not true. The innuendo/extended meaning established by the juxtaposition of the "Threats against Family" statement next to the "His SRT website boasts: 'My Glock rocks' " statement is that Richard Grund made unlawful threats of a criminally violent nature, as opposed to his son Jesse Grund's mere "Accusations against Family." http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147464/detail.html

Also, I think there could be liability where the Anthonys recklessly made defamatory statements knowing those statements would be republished.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[alisa31235]

I would think the tattoo pics would qualify as "interesting" ... eh?

IMO if nancy had them it would be "BOMBSHELL" tonight tot moms tat

[Dtviewer3]

I would think the tattoo pics would qualify as "interesting" ... eh?

True:biggrin:

[Tia]

Just jumping in here and trying to catch up.

If George and Cindy are listed as witnesses, that would mean they would not be allowed in the courtroom until it was time for them to testify. Correct? How does this get handled in today's day with live internet or live cable programs showing the trial live? TIA

Correct.

Hopefully they will be called last if they are witnesses so they can't speak at all during the trial.

I honestly don't know how they would be kept from watching on TV or the internet though.

[KP1935]

Lady Ham, I think Casey wanted the car to be stolen, expected it to be stolen and that would be her cover - Caylee was in the car when it was stolen.
Casey was planning a trip to CA to see what's his name, so she was doing some future planning. She got caught - and remember she asked Cindy for "one more day". She would have high-tailed it out of there so fast.

ITA. Leaving the car where she did, with her purse in it, was inviting a thief. She probably noticed when it got towed and was thinking she was in the clear.

[need2no]

I would think the tattoo pics would qualify as "interesting" ... eh?

and I would think the media would know these pics would draw a lot of public interest.

[msgatorslayer]

ITA. Leaving the car where she did, with her purse in it, was inviting a thief. She probably noticed when it got towed and was thinking she was in the clear.

That would have been a very unlucky thief. Not only stealing a car that stinks but to find a purse that doesn't have anything of value in it, lol :tongueside:

[Sun]

IIRC there was some discussion at the meeting in the judge's chambers regarding agreeing on the taking of the photos. The agreement may have included a stipulation not to release the photos to the public. JMO

Yes, there was some discusssion during that informal conference/meeting. No mention at that time in regards to not releasing the photos. Just discussion initiated by the State, because Baez seemed to be avoiding holding up to his end of their "agreement." IMO, Judge Strickland seemed a bit annoyed that this was an issue that the State and Baez appeared to be having difficulty completing.

Only one station (WFTV) provided coverage of that conference/meeting, IIRC. That was when Lyon asked to have the Oct 2009 trial date canceled, with a pre-trial conference to be set for Jan 2010. She asked for hearing dates to be set only on Thursday or Friday dates. Judge Strickland left for a short bit, came back and gave a Thursday date. Lyon asked instead if it could be a Friday date. .....changed her mind, I guess.

[desmom]

Lady Ham, I think Casey wanted the car to be stolen, expected it to be stolen and that would be her cover - Caylee was in the car when it was stolen.

Casey was planning a trip to CA to see what's his name, so she was doing some future planning. She got caught - and remember she asked Cindy for "one more day". She would have high-tailed it out of there so fast.

I agree regarding the car being stolen. I am sure Casey had an ole carp moment when Cindy showed up at Tone's door. Oh well, Plan B - Caylee was kidnapped...left her at Sawgrass. When that didn't work, she moved to Plan C - Zanny the Nanny held Casey down while her sister what'shername put Caylee in the car and left. Hmmm, does Casey have a Plan D?

Regarding the trip to CA...I think Casey was holding out to see if Tone would pop the question. If he didn't, then I think she would have headed to CA.

I do think if Cindy would have gave her one more day, Casey would have disappeared..eventually turning up in CA.

jmo

[Duke]

And NOT screaming her innocence! I would be screaming my innocence at the top of my lungs.


I would loose my voice as well.

[ish]

I wonder if there are any statistics on how many people tried for a death penalty case are acquitted vs found guilty, and how many had a hung jury and were retried and convicted. It might give Casey a good look at her odds of ever having a bowl of Cindy's chili again.

[BlueTurtle]

I think you totally missed the point. If she is acquitted the State can NEVER retry her again. Only in the case of a mis-trial can they decide to retry her.

She won't be acquitted. A mistrial is the best she can expect. And most definitely she will be retried!!!

[ish]

I agree regarding the car being stolen. I am sure Casey had an ole carp moment when Cindy showed up at Tone's door. Oh well, Plan B - Caylee was kidnapped...left her at Sawgrass. When that didn't work, she moved to Plan C - Zanny the Nanny held Casey down while her sister what'shername put Caylee in the car and left. Hmmm, does Casey have a Plan D?
Regarding the trip to CA...I think Casey was holding out to see if Tone would pop the question. If he didn't, then I think she would have headed to CA.

I do think if Cindy would have gave her one more day, Casey would have disappeared..eventually turning up in CA.

jmo


my bold

Plan D? Jesse did it. Plan E? TonE did it. Plan F? Lee did it. Plan G? George did it. Plan H? Cindy did it. and so on, and so on...

[summer]

my bold

Plan D? Jesse did it. Plan E? TonE did it. Plan F? Lee did it. Plan G? George did it. Plan H? Cindy did it. and so on, and so on...

And then Cindy picks up where Casey left off... Plan J: Nancy Grace did it. Plan K: Nancy Grace's twins did it. Plan L: The reporter and her police officer lover did it.

Etc.

[crimeq]

That would have been a very unlucky thief. Not only stealing a car that stinks but to find a purse that doesn't have anything of value in it, lol :tongueside:

She was hoping the thief would think the odor came from the dumpster beside which she parked the car. By the time the thief realized it was the car itself, thief would already have broken into the car, driven it away -- would probably try to find someplace to ditch it quickly, but thief's fingerprints would be all over the car, the car would have been taken from the spot Casey left it, and suspicion wouldn't fall on Casey, but the thief. That was Casey's plan, IMO.

[summer]

Just read R. Grund's full blog post from this morning (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=512507741).

He mentions filing suit more than once, so I'm inclined to believe his attorney has assured him he has a case.

I can't wait to find out on what grounds he files. He probably has several to pick from.

Oh Yeah. He's on it. Quite a saavy guy and a very good, measured response to all of the Anthony bile.

[ish]

And then Cindy picks up where Casey left off... Plan J: Nancy Grace did it. Plan K: Nancy Grace's twins did it. Plan L: The reporter and her police officer lover did it.

Etc.

And the grand finale Plan Z.... Roy Kronk did it!!!

[desmom]

:laugh: Pop what question? "How about a quick roll in the hay before you fix supper for me?" :lol:

:lol: uh, no....the question she thought was on the horizon that caused her to practice writing her name -

Casey M. Lazzaro, Casey Lazzaro, Casey Lazzaro Anthony, Casey Anthony Lazzaro

page 30 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

[summer]

ITA, and love his use of Homer Simpson! :laugh:

LOL with ya! That was a very nice touch that's probably driving the Anthonys crazy. Love that he's able to mock them that way.

[crimeq]

I agree regarding the car being stolen. I am sure Casey had an ole carp moment when Cindy showed up at Tone's door. Oh well, Plan B - Caylee was kidnapped...left her at Sawgrass. When that didn't work, she moved to Plan C - Zanny the Nanny held Casey down while her sister what'shername put Caylee in the car and left. Hmmm, does Casey have a Plan D?

Regarding the trip to CA...I think Casey was holding out to see if Tone would pop the question. If he didn't, then I think she would have headed to CA.

I do think if Cindy would have gave her one more day, Casey would have disappeared..eventually turning up in CA.

jmo


Bold mine -- Plan D = Death penalty

[summer]

And the grand finale Plan Z.... Roy Kronk did it!!!

Wait, they forgot Homer Simpson! That guy did it!

Doesn't matter if he's a cartoon character - he's more real than the imaginanny. At least he has a TV show!

[crimeq]

I agree regarding the car being stolen. I am sure Casey had an ole carp moment when Cindy showed up at Tone's door. Oh well, Plan B - Caylee was kidnapped...left her at Sawgrass. When that didn't work, she moved to Plan C - Zanny the Nanny held Casey down while her sister what'shername put Caylee in the car and left. Hmmm, does Casey have a Plan D?

Regarding the trip to CA...I think Casey was holding out to see if Tone would pop the question. If he didn't, then I think she would have headed to CA.

I do think if Cindy would have gave her one more day, Casey would have disappeared..eventually turning up in CA.

jmo

I've been suspicious of Cindy's knowledge of the car at Amscot, though--the text message she sent Casey when they learned the car was towed was something like, "major problem." That sounded to me like maybe Cindy had helped hatch the car theft plan and the "major problem" was that their cover story was blown.

[Anakerie]

Just jumping in here and trying to catch up.

If George and Cindy are listed as witnesses, that would mean they would not be allowed in the courtroom until it was time for them to testify. Correct? How does this get handled in today's day with live internet or live cable programs showing the trial live? TIA
I've wondered about that one as well. Could they be required to come to the courthouse and sit out in the hall or somewhere?

[desmom]

Hal Boedeker from the Orlando Sentinel:

Casey Anthony: Did you hear that Nostradamus predicted that she would be acquitted?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-did-you-hear-that-nostradamus-predicted-that-she-would-be-acquitted.html

[summer]

I've wondered about that one as well. Could they be required to come to the courthouse and sit out in the hall or somewhere?

Yes I wonder about that too. There should be new ways to handle this situation in a new media environment. There has to be some way to enforce that rule.

Maybe they should be locked up in a room at the Ritz with all the electronics removed. They'll only have themselves for comfort and maybe a coupla crab puffs. :laugh:

[crimeq]

:lol: uh, no....the question she thought was on the horizon that caused her to practice writing her name -

Casey M. Lazzaro, Casey Lazzaro, Casey Lazzaro Anthony, Casey Anthony Lazzaro

page 30 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

I remember someone saying that TonE did think he'd found someone special, his buddies were kidding him about "marrying this one". I think she thought he was going to pop the question.

If Tony had not been in the picture, I think Casey would have hightailed it to CA. She had something up her sleeve with that guy, in re: Caylee. I wonder how this story would have unfolded, had she gone to CA.

[summer]

Hal Boedeker from the Orlando Sentinel:

Casey Anthony: Did you hear that Nostradamus predicted that she would be acquitted?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-did-you-hear-that-nostradamus-predicted-that-she-would-be-acquitted.html

It strikes me as so wacky that some of the most straight-forward reporting and comments on this case come from Hal the TV Guy's blog. LOL. But it's true. :smile:

[summer]

Maybe because Hal is just the TV Guy he has more leeway to be honest and speak his mind. Seems that way. You go, TV Guy! :thumbup:

[taylor63]

Just read R. Grund's full blog post from this morning (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=512507741).

He mentions filing suit more than once, so I'm inclined to believe his attorney has assured him he has a case.

I can't wait to find out on what grounds he files. He probably has several to pick from.

Do you happen to know, if he is filing suit against the Anthonys?

[Duke]

Now THAT had me lol. :laugh: Can't you just see Mz Casey pushing a mop or washing drawers. :thumbsup:

LOL.

After thouht but she will need to be trained.

[need2no]

I've wondered about that one as well. Could they be required to come to the courthouse and sit out in the hall or somewhere?

With male and female officers standing nearby, and escorting Cindy and George to the restroom. Wouldn't want them pulling out their Blackberrys to watch the trial.

[summer]

Do you happen to know, if he is filing suit against the Anthonys?

I'm sure no one except the honorable Mr. Grund and his attorneys have that kind of information.

[ish]

I've been suspicious of Cindy's knowledge of the car at Amscot, though--the text message she sent Casey when they learned the car was towed was something like, "major problem." That sounded to me like maybe Cindy had helped hatch the car theft plan and the "major problem" was that their cover story was blown.

I agree it could be a suspicious text , but Casey had been avoiding contact with Cindy and for her to try and get a response from Casey I think Cindy was being cautious in what her texts read and the "tone" of them. Cindy knew demanding answers from Casey would result in no communication, so she tread softly.

[BettyC]

It appears the media made several mis-statements yesterday, IMO.
However, when I read about the shovel I couldn't help but think of Paul Kovach's story.

~snippets~

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Orlando station WFTV spoke to a possible eyewitness who claims he saw a woman closely resembling tot mom Casey Anthony near a wooded area with a shovel and bag in late June.

PAUL KOVACH, WITNESS: White car, black bra (ph) on the front. That area right there is where she was coming out of the woods with a shovel.

KOVACH: Trying to get the bag and the shovel into the trunk, she darn near knocked her hat off her head, ran her head into the car and everything.

Just sayin......

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/17/ng.01.html

Also I do find it mighty coincidental the woman in that pic wearing a flag dress is named Zenaida. How the heck would casey stumble across this on line. What are the odds. LK-weird.

Yes but have you ever seen a shovel in the trunk listed in any doc dump? I do not recall it ever. I don't know if she had enough time to be traipsing in the woods with Mr. Burner's shovel though.

[Tia]

That would have been a very unlucky thief. Not only stealing a car that stinks but to find a purse that doesn't have anything of value in it, lol :tongueside:

then to be connected to the Anthony's FOREVER......accused of murder, yes, very unlucky!

[crimeq]

When the car was towed from Amscot, Caylee's car seat was in the car -- along with her mama doll (I think this was part of Casey's plan to have the car stolen, then blame the thief for kidnapping Caylee, whom Casey would say was in the car).

After she killed Caylee, I wonder if she kept the car seat in the car, and the doll? I would think she would want not to see them, didn't want to be reminded.

I wonder if any of her friends who saw her in the car in the days after Caylee's demise remember if the car seat WAS there, or if it was NOT there.

Of course, there's the problem of where she'd store it.

I just don't think she would have wanted to keep those items in her car, to remind her that she had killed Caylee and was now a free woman, embarking on la bella vida.

[summer]

I'm wondering who the "reader" is who alerted him to the Nostradamus prediction. :sneaky:

Good question... hmmm... let me think...

I predict this is the closest Hal will ever come to writing a pro-Casey column. :laugh::laugh:

[crimeq]

Yes I wonder about that too. There should be new ways to handle this situation in a new media environment. There has to be some way to enforce that rule.

Maybe they should be locked up in a room at the Ritz with all the electronics removed. They'll only have themselves for comfort and maybe a coupla crab puffs. :laugh:

They sequester juries -- I would think there should be some thought given to sequestering primary witnesses.

Cindy would insist on the Ritz though, you are right that would be the place :-)

[summer]

They sequester juries -- I would think there should be some thought given to sequestering primary witnesses.

Cindy would insist on the Ritz though, you are right that would be the place :-)

Well I hope it's a Motel 6. They'll keep the lights on. :smile:

[summer]

I've always assumed "major problem" was just the fact the car was in a tow yard rather than with Casey, on whatever adventure she was supposedly on in another part of the state. Oh, and that it smelled of death.

That would be a "major problem" in most people's worlds, I think including Cindy's at that moment in time.

Yeah, in Cindy's world smell of death = major "prob". :mad:

[LadyHam]

I've been suspicious of Cindy's knowledge of the car at Amscot, though--the text message she sent Casey when they learned the car was towed was something like, "major problem." That sounded to me like maybe Cindy had helped hatch the car theft plan and the "major problem" was that their cover story was blown.

The only problem I have w/Cindy having any prior knowledge of what had happened to Caylee or really anything regarding the car or anything else is her 3rd 911 call where she reports Caylee missing and says that the car smells like it had a dead body in it. She had real emotion and terror in her voice then. Haven't seen it since, but it was there during that call. JMO.

[BettyC]

I'm wondering who the "reader" is who alerted him to the Nostradamus prediction. :sneaky:

How about the reader who commented that the silver mask could be the duct tape???:ohmy:

You can make something out of anything I guess.

[crimeq]

Well I hope it's a Motel 6. They'll keep the lights on. :smile:

:lol::lol:

[crimeq]

The only problem I have w/Cindy having any prior knowledge of what had happened to Caylee or really anything regarding the car or anything else is her 3rd 911 call where she reports Caylee missing and says that the car smells like it had a dead body in it. She had real emotion and terror in her voice then. Haven't seen it since, but it was there during that call. JMO.

I have to agree with this, but if you've listened to any of Albatross234's youtubes, she claims she thinks that third call was rehearsed--and that Cindy seemed uncertain when asked questions, because it threw her off her script.

Remember that by this time, the car reeking of death had been found, police had been called, the smell had to be acknowledged. If Cindy hadn't mentioned the smell, what would the police have said when they got there and smelled it?

The smell could not be ignored by that point.

[need2no]

Yes but have you ever seen a shovel in the trunk listed in any doc dump? I do not recall it ever. I don't know if she had enough time to be traipsing in the woods with Mr. Burner's shovel though.

No, I haven't.

Do you think that media outlet, (I believe it was Click Orlando), just did a quick scan of the docs and saw the reference made to testing on a shovel and made an assumption that a shovel was discovered in the trunk of casey's car and that's why it was stated in the article?

They should do a retraction IMO.

[margaritaville]

I wonder if she thought she would be perceived as a poor grieving mother who had her child kidnapped by her evil nanny? If she wanted to go that route, then she should have gone to LE on day 1, and not waited until her mother did on day 31.

Why did she ever say it had been 31 days?
Why didn't she say that she dropped her off with the Nanny that day?
Or say that it happened the day before? Really, who would have known? Her *boyfriend* TL was in full time college, he wasn't home all day everyday. Why tell thetruth about that?? The one thing that would hurt her the most....

[Scampi]

When the car was towed from Amscot, Caylee's car seat was in the car -- along with her mama doll (I think this was part of Casey's plan to have the car stolen, then blame the thief for kidnapping Caylee, whom Casey would say was in the car).

After she killed Caylee, I wonder if she kept the car seat in the car, and the doll? I would think she would want not to see them, didn't want to be reminded.

I wonder if any of her friends who saw her in the car in the days after Caylee's demise remember if the car seat WAS there, or if it was NOT there.

Of course, there's the problem of where she'd store it.

I just don't think she would have wanted to keep those items in her car, to remind her that she had killed Caylee and was now a free woman, embarking on la bella vida.

Aw heck Cri, imo casey anthony had no problem lugging her dead daughter's body around in the trunk for a period of time, I seriously doubt if that car seat and doll bothered her one iota.

[seeing_eye]

my bold

Plan D? Jesse did it. Plan E? TonE did it. Plan F? Lee did it. Plan G? George did it. Plan H? Cindy did it. and so on, and so on...

Great deduction!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

[summer]

Why did she ever say it had been 31 days?
Why didn't she say that she dropped her off with the Nanny that day?
Or say that it happened the day before? Really, who would have known? Her *boyfriend* TL was in full time college, he wasn't home all day everyday. Why tell thetruth about that?? The one thing that would hurt her the most....

Maybe it's the one thing that would hurt her mother the most? Here ya go, Mom. Been lyin' to you for a month. Suck on that.

[Kathlb]

Just jumping in here and trying to catch up.

If George and Cindy are listed as witnesses, that would mean they would not be allowed in the courtroom until it was time for them to testify. Correct? How does this get handled in today's day with live internet or live cable programs showing the trial live? TIA

They promise the judge that they won't watch or read a paper about it or go online and read about it. And we know that the Anthonys are good at following other's directions. :scared:

[BettyC]

No, I haven't.

Do you think that media outlet, (I believe it was Click Orlando), just did a quick scan of the docs and saw the reference made to testing on a shovel and made an assumption that a shovel was discovered in the trunk of casey's car and that's why it was stated in the article?

They should do a retraction IMO.

As should Fox if they said there was a blood stain in the trunk. But will they?

[LadyHam]

Why did she ever say it had been 31 days?
Why didn't she say that she dropped her off with the Nanny that day?
Or say that it happened the day before? Really, who would have known? Her *boyfriend* TL was in full time college, he wasn't home all day everyday. Why tell thetruth about that?? The one thing that would hurt her the most....

I'm sure Casey's wishes now that is the way she handled it. It could have explained her behavior during the 31 day time period. She was acting like nothing was wrong, because nothing was.

[crimeq]

Aw heck Cri, imo casey anthony had no problem lugging her dead daughter's body around in the trunk for a period of time, I seriously doubt if that car seat and doll bothered her one iota.

Well Scampi, you're right about that. I have to keep reminding myself that I cannot apply "normal" standards to Casey Marie Anthony.

[summer]

I do believe Casey's hatred for her mother defined her and trumped all else.

[Daffodil]

I've been suspicious of Cindy's knowledge of the car at Amscot, though--the text message she sent Casey when they learned the car was towed was something like, "major problem." That sounded to me like maybe Cindy had helped hatch the car theft plan and the "major problem" was that their cover story was blown.



I agree. And when Cindy said her granddaughter was missing it meant that she didn't know where she was, or rather where her remains were put. JMO

[Scampi]

Well Scampi, you're right about that. I have to keep reminding myself that I cannot apply "normal" standards to Casey Marie Anthony.

Can you imagine Cri, riding around in that car, doing all her caseylike things, all the while smelling the decomposing body of the daughter she murdered?

What kind of a human being can do something like this? This jury will have nightmares after hearing all this evidence, I pity them.