10/1, 10/2

[need2no]

Smell of death = "major problem" = PIZZA!

Cindy has made a big problem for herself with this pizza/decomp story which she won't be able to explain away in court, as hard as she may try.

When she called 911 she said it smelled like a dead body in the trunk of the car.

But this 911 call was after George brought the car home and allegedly told her about the rotten pizza allegedly in an attempt to convince her that was what caused the bad odor. So, if she believed the pizza odor smell, then why turn right around and tell the 911 operator it smelled like a dead body. Obviously it wouldn't be necessary to say such a thing in order to get LE to come to your home when you tell them you have a missing 2 year old GD.

After all we have endured with George and Cindy's ever changing stories about the odor, I can't wait for the prosecution to question them on the stand under oath about this aspect of the case. This alone will give the jury a real good understanding of the likes of the Anthony's and their efforts to cover for casey, while so easily and readily disregarding their 'missing' GD.

[cassidy]

Why did she ever say it had been 31 days?
Why didn't she say that she dropped her off with the Nanny that day?
Or say that it happened the day before? Really, who would have known? Her *boyfriend* TL was in full time college, he wasn't home all day everyday. Why tell thetruth about that?? The one thing that would hurt her the most....


Eventually she would have to explain. Her friends knew that she didn't have Caylee with her and Cindy knew that SHE didn't have Caylee. And we'd be right back where we are now.

JMO

[need2no]

Can you imagine Cri, riding around in that car, doing all her caseylike things, all the while smelling the decomposing body of the daughter she murdered?

What kind of a human being can do something like this? This jury will have nightmares after hearing all this evidence, I pity them.

BBM

The same kind of human being who could murder their precious 2 year old daughter.

Can you imagine the jury having to view the pics of her remains after seeing the adorable pics and video of her alive. I wonder if the prosecution will present these pics to the jury at the start of the trial, or save them till the end just before they rest their case?

[summer]

I predict every time Cindy Anthony feels herself getting caught up by the prosecution in her own bizarre behavior and wildly varying "truths," she will trot out her trump card -- she was out of her mind with worry, grief, lack of sleep, lack of food, media attention, persecution of her daughter, etc. Unfortunately, there's no good way for the pros to challenge that carp without appearing heartless. So hopefully, they can cause Cindy to play that trump card enough times the jury gets the picture she's using it to manipulate them.

Yep she'll be able to wiggle out of it for a while but if the prosecution needles her in just the right way she'll be exposed. Hopefully they're working with brilliant psychologists on just the right way to handle this. I have faith.

[5swab5]

I predict every time Cindy Anthony feels herself getting caught up by the prosecution in her own bizarre behavior and wildly varying "truths," she will trot out her trump card -- she was out of her mind with worry, grief, lack of sleep, lack of food, media attention, persecution of her daughter, etc. Unfortunately, there's no good way for the pros to challenge that carp without appearing heartless. So hopefully, they can cause Cindy to play that trump card enough times the jury gets the picture she's using it to manipulate them.


I just hope the Judge makes her spit out that confounded gum when she takes the stand. She can talk without it in her mouth, can't she?

MOO

I guess it would be too much to hope for, that she has to drink regular tap water too. :biggrin:

[need2no]

I predict every time Cindy Anthony feels herself getting caught up by the prosecution in her own bizarre behavior and wildly varying "truths," she will trot out her trump card -- she was out of her mind with worry, grief, lack of sleep, lack of food, media attention, persecution of her daughter, etc. Unfortunately, there's no good way for the pros to challenge that carp without appearing heartless. So hopefully, they can cause Cindy to play that trump card enough times the jury gets the picture she's using it to manipulate them.

So true, gotta take it easy on the grieving (insert puke) grandma. I think your suggestion the prosecution will just let her sink her own ship with her drama queen antics is the way to go...and it shouldn't take long at all.

[Spots]

my bold

Plan D? Jesse did it. Plan E? TonE did it. Plan F? Lee did it. Plan G? George did it. Plan H? Cindy did it. and so on, and so on...

I respectfully disagree.

Plan A: Avoid Cindy, move on
Emergency Plan B: ZFG did it at Sawgrass.

That's as far as she got, period - and I'm not 100% sure B wasn't a seat-of-the-pants thought.

She had no idea that anyone might call her out on this story. Seems nobody ever had before.

[need2no]

As should Fox if they said there was a blood stain in the trunk. But will they?

Agree, but I doubt either will own up to their mistakes.

[ish]

As smart as Casey thinks she is, she's just that stupid. imo :rolleyes:

I do have to laugh, though, at the thought someone played as big a mind game on Casey as Casey played on so many others. Somehow, Tony L. had the little psychopath actually believing he was going to make an honest woman of her.

Love it.

If she thought that she was delusional. She met him around Memorial Day!! He was in "like" with her, cooking, cleaning and steady nookie, any young guys dream. Even though he thought half of her story about work as an event planner was bull, he didn't bother to challenge her but all he had to do was hear the bare bones scenario of what had been going on the prior 30 days and he wrote her off.. GUILTY as charged. TonE would have graduated and moved on back to NY without a second thought about dear old Casey and I think she knew it. She was buttering up Will Waters as her next in line.

[ish]

I respectfully disagree.

Plan A: Avoid Cindy, move on
Emergency Plan B: ZFG did it at Sawgrass.

That's as far as she got, period - and I'm not 100% sure B wasn't a seat-of-the-pants thought.

She had no idea that anyone might call her out on this story. Seems nobody ever had before.

At the time of her arrest I agree, she hadn't gotten much past Plan B. But now with the "dream team" helping her, there's a motherlode of Plan B's out there. That's what defense attornies do more often than not, cast a shadow on as many others as they can.

[Tia]

Can you imagine Cri, riding around in that car, doing all her caseylike things, all the while smelling the decomposing body of the daughter she murdered?

What kind of a human being can do something like this? This jury will have nightmares after hearing all this evidence, I pity them.

I am glad you posted this. I have been trying to wrap my brain around that since day 31 as well as wondering if Caylee's little body rolled around back there while she was cruising around doing her "caseylike" things.

Just one more thing to make Casey look cold and heartless.

[Spots]

If she thought that she was delusional. She met him around Memorial Day!! He was in "like" with her, cooking, cleaning and steady nookie, any young guys dream. Even though he thought half of her story about work as an event planner was bull, he didn't bother to challenge her but all he had to do was hear the bare bones scenario of what had been going on the prior 30 days and he wrote her off.. GUILTY as charged. TonE would have graduated and moved on back to NY without a second thought about dear old Casey and I think she knew it. She was buttering up Will Waters as her next in line.

ITA. It was TonE's friends that thought this free cooking and cleaning was nifty. TonE seemed to be luke-warm to the idea. If she hadn't been putting out, she would have been put out on the street, pronto.

MOO.

[Spots]

At the time of her arrest I agree, she hadn't gotten much past Plan B. But now with the "dream team" helping her, there's a motherlode of Plan B's out there. That's what defense attornies do more often than not, cast a shadow on as many others as they can.

Along with the fine, thoughtful, well-researched ideas from Cindy, George, DCasey, and the Milsteads. Let's give credit where credit is due! :rolleyes:

[need2no]

BBM. This can't be underestimated, imo. I can't say whether her upbringing made her a sociopath, but I can sure as hell say with confidence her upbringing made her feel she could get away with virtually anything.


If the prosecution can play the jailhouse videos for the jury those will accentuate the abnormal, (to say the least), relationship between casey and her parents, while at the same time show casey as the narcissitic, self consumed, spoiled brat who could care less about her daughter, and would willing frame others for her murderous deed...while confident she would have the assistance of her parents in doing so.

$225K reward...that's almost half my bond.

[need2no]

Along with the fine, thoughtful, well-researched ideas from Cindy, George, DCasey, and the Milsteads. Let's give credit where credit is due! :rolleyes:

I agree, but let's not forget to give Lee some credit.

[ish]

The only problem I have w/Cindy having any prior knowledge of what had happened to Caylee or really anything regarding the car or anything else is her 3rd 911 call where she reports Caylee missing and says that the car smells like it had a dead body in it. She had real emotion and terror in her voice then. Haven't seen it since, but it was there during that call. JMO.

But within 24 hours, she was cool and calm, talking to her daughter (who is calling from JAIL) about her "cameos" on the local news and telling her not to waste her call yelling and hollerng, when it's her own fault she's in jail "sweetheart" for telling "lies" and not telling us where "she's" at.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing almost 10 months and nearly everytime I see Ron's mother talking about her, the woman can barely contain her grief and tears.

[Spots]

I agree, but let's not forget to give Lee some credit.

D'oh!

But of course we'll have to salute Lee. Using "his" finger.

[Spots]

As to her state of mind before, during and after Caylee was murdered, the prosecution will have their pick of sterling examples of just exactly who Casey Anthony is, imo. The state of Florida has a virtual treasure trove of statements, video and audio tapes from which to select just the right ones to demonstrate for the jury the nature of the monster.

And I'm betting that *none* of them show her, oh, say..... rescuing a lost kitten. Right?

:lol:

I want a DVD of the highlight reel they finally select.

[Katprint]

I respectfully disagree.

Plan A: Avoid Cindy, move on
Emergency Plan B: ZFG did it at Sawgrass.

That's as far as she got, period - and I'm not 100% sure B wasn't a seat-of-the-pants thought.

She had no idea that anyone might call her out on this story. Seems nobody ever had before.
I think that ALL of Casey's alibis were seat-of-the-pants. Casey was simply living in the moment, putting Cindy off by telling Cindy that Caylee was taking a nap or with the nanny or whatever else occurred to Casey at that moment without any real planning for the future. I think Casey had a vague plan to leave town if Cindy started to really press her about Caylee. However, I don't think Casey thought up her "kidnapped by the nanny" scenario until Cindy tracked her down, cornered her at TonE's and refused to give her "one more day" to prove Caylee was OK (and Casey would have left town by the next day.) Similarly, when the first imagi-nanny scenario was proven untrue by the vacant apartment, then Casey made up the next imagi-nanny scenario. Casey probably could have made a favorable plea deal prior to the discovery of Caylee's remains but I doubt she thought that far ahead i.e. what she would do after Caylee's remains were discovered and she lost that last little bit of bargaining leverage.

The AMAZING thing in the communications between Cindy and DCasey, and especially the communications between Cindy ("Rosebud") and Baez, is Cindy's perpetual efforts to grasp at straws that perhaps when Casey said this then perhaps Casey was giving a clue that this meant that and perhaps Casey was trying to communicate that this person was "somehow involved" in Caylee's disappearance etc. etc. etc. As though Casey had been knocked unconscious and was in a coma, and thus could not simply TELL HER ATTORNEY or anyone else EXACTLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED. If, as Casey claimed and Cindy apparently believed, Casey was remaining silent to protect Caylee from harm by some kidnapper, there is no longer any reason for Casey to remain silent. Caylee cannot be harmed any further even if Casey were to sing like a canary.

As the police investigators said, Casey is the one with all the answers. Casey knows where, when, how, why, with whom, etc. she left Caylee. Cindy, George, Lee, DCasey etc. may furiously be chasing their tails, but there was never any way they could uncover a single fact Casey didn't already know. And Casey certainly isn't telling.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[apothecary]

As to her state of mind before, during and after Caylee was murdered, the prosecution will have their pick of sterling examples of just exactly who Casey Anthony is, imo. The state of Florida has a virtual treasure trove of statements, video and audio tapes from which to select just the right ones to demonstrate for the jury the nature of the monster.
When I first saw that video I was breathless with shock.Not one single Anthony expressed fear for Caylee and the only person who did was Caseys friend.I thought that maybe I missed part of the video,but apparantley not.

[need2no]

D'oh!

But of course we'll have to salute Lee. Using "his" finger.



This is the best I can do to salute Lee, with the available smilies. :thumbdown:

[ish]

That woman breaks my heart every time I see her, ish. I start crying right along with her.
It's not for nothing, I think, that the only person crying during that first phone call from jail with Casey was someone whose last name was not Anthony.

I saw her the other night and I am not religious at all but when Nancy asked her why she still believed Haleigh was alive, and she said because she believes in God and that if you pray for something hard enough he will give you what you want, I got choked up for her. I don't think it's gonna be a happy ending there, but I do think she will want to see the guilty party whoever it is, her son or Misty or a stranger get punished.

She's 180 degrees from Cindy.

[crimeq]

Yep she'll be able to wiggle out of it for a while but if the prosecution needles her in just the right way she'll be exposed. Hopefully they're working with brilliant psychologists on just the right way to handle this. I have faith.

Cindy has a real low flash point. She will be reacting in court.

She's probably learning more about court presentations, though, from Jim -- the guy who's teaching her how to appear for the media.

[crimeq]

I respectfully disagree.

Plan A: Avoid Cindy, move on
Emergency Plan B: ZFG did it at Sawgrass.

That's as far as she got, period - and I'm not 100% sure B wasn't a seat-of-the-pants thought.

She had no idea that anyone might call her out on this story. Seems nobody ever had before.

Casey had distanced herself from it so much by Day 31, she probably couldn't conceive that anyone else would react -- after all, "she" was fine. It had ceased to be an issue for her, so she couldn't see that it would be an issue for anyone else.

[ish]

Cindy has a real low flash point. She will be reacting in court.

She's probably learning more about court presentations, though, from Jim -- the guy who's teaching her how to appear for the media.

He's gonna have to use the heavy artillary on her, especially if she takes a dislike to the prosecutor questioning her. Look how she reacted at the depo, and you know Conway spent hours/days coaching her.

I wonder if he'll have to post those little flags around the property like they do when a dog is being trained to respect the "invisible fence".
If Cindy is wearing an "odd" looking necklace during her testimony, we'll have to see if Jim is carrying a transmitter!!

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21174128/index.html

The Defense Motions Have No Chance To Succeed, says Bob Kealing.

[5swab5]

Cindy has a real low flash point. She will be reacting in court.

She's probably learning more about court presentations, though, from Jim -- the guy who's teaching her how to appear for the media.

You hit the nail on the head with "flash point". "Jim" may be able to curb some things, but I doubt it. She needs intensive training, a comeuppance, a lobotomy, Or the all elusive conscience. MOO

Caylee who?

[Katprint]

He's gonna have to use the heavy artillary on her, especially if she takes a dislike to the prosecutor questioning her. Look how she reacted at the depo, and you know Conway spent hours/days coaching her.

I wonder if he'll have to post those little flags around the property like they do when a dog is being trained to respect the "invisible fence".
If Cindy is wearing an "odd" looking necklace during her testimony, we'll have to see if Jim is carrying a transmitter!!
Do you mean a transmitter he could use to whisper answers in her ear, so that she wouldn't give answers which contradict her already-contradictory answers? Or a transmitter like the electric shock dog collars, to activate when she becomes belligerent / goes off-script?

Many times I wished I could have my clients wear a hearing-aid device attached to a microscopic receiver, so I could quietly whisper what they ought to say. Kind of like the "puppet" scene in Chicago, where the attorney is a ventriloquist. But no, we can't do that.

Katprint
Always only my opinions

[5swab5]

He's gonna have to use the heavy artillary on her, especially if she takes a dislike to the prosecutor questioning her. Look how she reacted at the depo, and you know Conway spent hours/days coaching her.

I wonder if he'll have to post those little flags around the property like they do when a dog is being trained to respect the "invisible fence".
If Cindy is wearing an "odd" looking necklace during her testimony, we'll have to see if Jim is carrying a transmitter!!

:lol: Like the movie Deadlock. Perfect! IMO

[ish]

Do you mean a transmitter he could use to whisper answers in her ear, so that she wouldn't give answers which contradict her already-contradictory answers? Or a transmitter like the electric shock dog collars, to activate when she becomes belligerent / goes off-script?

Many times I wished I could have my clients wear a hearing-aid device attached to a microscopic receiver, so I could quietly whisper what they ought to say. Kind of like the "puppet" scene in Chicago, where the attorney is a ventriloquist. But no, we can't do that.

Katprint
Always only my opinions

Oh, the dog collar thing definately!! Whispering in her ear would never work, she'd probably start arguing with him right in the courtroom and rip it out.

[BettyC]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21174128/index.html

The Defense Motions Have No Chance To Succeed, says Bob Kealing.

That was good to hear. Thanks for posting it Sun.

[Beep]

I think that ALL of Casey's alibis were seat-of-the-pants. Casey was simply living in the moment, putting Cindy off by telling Cindy that Caylee was taking a nap or with the nanny or whatever else occurred to Casey at that moment without any real planning for the future. I think Casey had a vague plan to leave town if Cindy started to really press her about Caylee. However, I don't think Casey thought up her "kidnapped by the nanny" scenario until Cindy tracked her down, cornered her at TonE's and refused to give her "one more day" to prove Caylee was OK (and Casey would have left town by the next day.) Similarly, when the first imagi-nanny scenario was proven untrue by the vacant apartment, then Casey made up the next imagi-nanny scenario. Casey probably could have made a favorable plea deal prior to the discovery of Caylee's remains but I doubt she thought that far ahead i.e. what she would do after Caylee's remains were discovered and she lost that last little bit of bargaining leverage.

The AMAZING thing in the communications between Cindy and DCasey, and especially the communications between Cindy ("Rosebud") and Baez, is Cindy's perpetual efforts to grasp at straws that perhaps when Casey said this then perhaps Casey was giving a clue that this meant that and perhaps Casey was trying to communicate that this person was "somehow involved" in Caylee's disappearance etc. etc. etc. As though Casey had been knocked unconscious and was in a coma, and thus could not simply TELL HER ATTORNEY or anyone else EXACTLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED. If, as Casey claimed and Cindy apparently believed, Casey was remaining silent to protect Caylee from harm by some kidnapper, there is no longer any reason for Casey to remain silent. Caylee cannot be harmed any further even if Casey were to sing like a canary.

As the police investigators said, Casey is the one with all the answers. Casey knows where, when, how, why, with whom, etc. she left Caylee. Cindy, George, Lee, DCasey etc. may furiously be chasing their tails, but there was never any way they could uncover a single fact Casey didn't already know. And Casey certainly isn't telling.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Wow! Excellent post! I completely agree. Thank you.

[Sun]

That was good to hear. Thanks for posting it Sun.

Did you notice that he said ZERO PERCENT chance?

[desmom]

Expert: Lack Of DNA In Caylee Case Not Unusual
http://www.wesh.com/news/21174580/detail.html

[Dtviewer3]

Do you mean a transmitter he could use to whisper answers in her ear, so that she wouldn't give answers which contradict her already-contradictory answers? Or a transmitter like the electric shock dog collars, to activate when she becomes belligerent / goes off-script?

Many times I wished I could have my clients wear a hearing-aid device attached to a microscopic receiver, so I could quietly whisper what they ought to say. Kind of like the "puppet" scene in Chicago, where the attorney is a ventriloquist. But no, we can't do that.

Katprint
Always only my opinions

Kat, what do you think of the Defense's motion with regards to the spoilation of evidence, and Ashtons' seemingly taunting response?

I had at first figured the motion would be denied quickly (without a hearing) but it seems Ashton's response he fired back may make it drag out.

Thanks as always.......

[BettyC]

Did you notice that he said ZERO PERCENT chance?

That was my favorite part. :biggrin:

And THAT was his guess on the motion being successful. He also doesn't think there's a good chance that the judge will even schedule a hearing about it.

[desmom]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21174128/index.html

The Defense Motions Have No Chance To Succeed, says Bob Kealing.

Procedurally incorrect and filed too late, should have been filed a year ago, zero chance of being granted.

Thanks for the link. :seeya:

[BettyC]

Procedurally incorrect and filed too late, should have been filed a year ago, zero chance of being granted.

Thanks for the link. :seeya:

But, can Lyon say "I wasn't here a year ago?"

A year ago the defense did have Lenamon file a motion to have the death penalty taken off the table and the prosecution did indeed take it off. Then after the body was found, they put it back.

(It WAS a motion that he filed right? I recall the letter, at least the portions that we were able to see.)

[Kathlb]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21174128/index.html

The Defense Motions Have No Chance To Succeed, says Bob Kealing.

I am not impressed with Ms. Lyons at all. I really think she should stick to the DP area of the case and forget the trial other than to try and keep Jose quiet. These filings they do...they are always wrong. And the def. lawyer interviewed made reference to the fact that most of the lawyers weren't from FL and didn't know FL law. Well, supposedly Baez does and the others should have done a little legwork before or right after taking the case.

I wonder also how much input Cindy and her "rock" as she calls him, D. Casey have in these motions. One a year late??? Sounds like Cindy and her investigator had some input too and Jose Baez isn't smart enough to do it correctly. MOO

[kakax]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21174128/index.html

The Defense Motions Have No Chance To Succeed, says Bob Kealing.


Once again, they follow the wrong procedures.

[Sun]

But, can Lyon say "I wasn't here a year ago?"

A year ago the defense did have Lenamon file a motion to have the death penalty taken off the table and the prosecution did indeed take it off. Then after the body was found, they put it back.

(It WAS a motion that he filed right? I recall the letter, at least the portions that we were able to see.)

And, I also believe that at the time that Lenamon created that document, Michael Walsh was still on board (at least Lenamon cc'd Walsh on the document). He was a death penalty qualified attorney too, wasn't he? Walsh was on board right from the very beginning, IIRC.

[5swab5]

Procedurally incorrect and filed too late, should have been filed a year ago, zero chance of being granted.

Thanks for the link. :seeya:

:lol: So much for Casey's "Dream Team". JMO

[desmom]

But, can Lyon say "I wasn't here a year ago?"

A year ago the defense did have Lenamon file a motion to have the death penalty taken off the table and the prosecution did indeed take it off. Then after the body was found, they put it back.

(It WAS a motion that he filed right? I recall the letter, at least the portions that we were able to see.)

Terrence Lenamon? The guy that quit!

http://www.wftv.com/news/19448158/detail.html
"We had a difference in what I believe should have been done with the approach that is mental health related," Lenamon told CNN's Nancy Grace during an interview Tuesday night

Raw Video: Death Penalty Attorney Appears on Nancy Grace
http://www.wftv.com/video/19448983/index.html

[kakax]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21174128/index.html

The Defense Motions Have No Chance To Succeed, says Bob Kealing.


As in zero, nilch, nada. This case is going to be interesting for law students to study on how not to prepare motions.

[BettyC]

Terrence Lenamon? The guy that quit!

http://www.wftv.com/news/19448158/detail.html
"We had a difference in what I believe should have been done with the approach that is mental health related," Lenamon told CNN's Nancy Grace during an interview Tuesday night

Raw Video: Death Penalty Attorney Appears on Nancy Grace
http://www.wftv.com/video/19448983/index.html

He did, AFTER the death penalty was taken off the table.

[LadyHam]

Eventually she would have to explain. Her friends knew that she didn't have Caylee with her and Cindy knew that SHE didn't have Caylee. And we'd be right back where we are now.

JMO

Right, she knew her time was limited. She had to know she was cutting in close in terms of Amy finding out about the stolen money. I wonder if she thought she would have to answer to that first before explaining where Caylee was? I wonder if Amy caught her about the money before Cindy got to her, if Amy would have been understanding or called the cops on her?

[FrankieBones1]

Why did she ever say it had been 31 days?
Why didn't she say that she dropped her off with the Nanny that day?
Or say that it happened the day before? Really, who would have known? Her *boyfriend* TL was in full time college, he wasn't home all day everyday. Why tell thetruth about that?? The one thing that would hurt her the most....

She had to say thirty one days in case the body was found early. She may have known a little about forensics and decomposition. imo

[neid_77]

Expert: Lack Of DNA In Caylee Case Not Unusual
http://www.wesh.com/news/21174580/detail.html

THIS is awesome!! helps me get my confidence back she is going down for murder 1. It was all so onesided the past couple days i hope her defense team is so smacked down in the next court hearing!! Especially biazzz cuase you know his arragont mouth is gonna be on it's top knotch!

CAYLEE CAYLEE!!:wub:

[FrankieBones1]

and why did she borrow a shovel when she had one in her trunk?

That's news to me. When was this brought to the public's attention?
I remember the earlier reports about her borrowing one from the neighbour, though and the dumb excuse her mother made up for it.

[Dtviewer3]

That's news to me. When was this brought to the public's attention?
I remember the earlier reports about her borrowing one from the neighbour, though and the dumb excuse her mother made up for it.

This was a mistake by the media.
There was no shovel in the trunk.

[BettyC]

That's news to me. When was this brought to the public's attention?
I remember the earlier reports about her borrowing one from the neighbour, though and the dumb excuse her mother made up for it.

Some of us tend to think the reports of a shovel in the trunk is not correct Frankie.

[5swab5]

As in zero, nilch, nada. This case is going to be interesting for law students to study on how not to prepare motions.

Yes, but Good Grief, How many examples do they need. :smile:

[5swab5]

She had to say thirty one days in case the body was found early. She may have known a little about forensics and decomposition. imo


Whoa! Good Point! We know she "googled" a lot. Who googles shovel? Mayhaps someone that doesn't think it is important to finish High School? JMO

[nana6]

Right, she knew her time was limited. She had to know she was cutting in close in terms of Amy finding out about the stolen money. I wonder if she thought she would have to answer to that first before explaining where Caylee was? I wonder if Amy caught her about the money before Cindy got to her, if Amy would have been understanding or called the cops on her?

Hi Lady, I imagine Casey would have made up some ridiculous story about how she HAD to do it cause she was in a terrible way and on and on. Poor Amy probably would have bought it too. IMO

[nana6]

THIS is awesome!! helps me get my confidence back she is going down for murder 1. It was all so onesided the past couple days i hope her defense team is so smacked down in the next court hearing!! Especially biazzz cuase you know his arragont mouth is gonna be on it's top knotch!

CAYLEE CAYLEE!!:wub:

If I recall correctly, they had enough to bring her up on murder 1 before they found little Caylee. Am I right on this??

[BettyC]

If I recall correctly, they had enough to bring her up on murder 1 before they found little Caylee. Am I right on this??

Yes, on Oct 14th she was indicted and charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of providing false information to police.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/14/caylee.grand.jury/index.html

[nana6]

So true, gotta take it easy on the grieving (insert puke) grandma. I think your suggestion the prosecution will just let her sink her own ship with her drama queen antics is the way to go...and it shouldn't take long at all.

Hi Need, I just do not know how in the world they are ever going to keep Cindy on topic. Talk about us going OT here!!! They are really going to have to try hard with her. Can't you just hear them now "please Mrs. Anthony, just answer with a yes or no"

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks for the replies. I see the media gets info wrong in this case, too.

[denjet]

Cindy has a real low flash point. She will be reacting in court.

She's probably learning more about court presentations, though, from Jim -- the guy who's teaching her how to appear for the media.
LOL Jim's got his work cut out for him ... as far as court proceedings go, someone better coach her on no gum chewing, raising your hand, answering a question with a question, finger pointing, deciding the relevancy of the questions being asked, pleading the fifth, speaking about her lack of sleep and weight loss, answering with a simple yes and no without elaboration, making her understand the foreign concept of swearing under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth ... sounds like a Mission Impossible to me! :biggrin:

[nana6]

Yes, on Oct 14th she was indicted and charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of providing false information to police.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/14/caylee.grand.jury/index.html

Thank you Betty. I should have known this!!! I have been following this case since it's inception. I do get a little confused at times though!!

[Pam1569]

If I recall correctly, they had enough to bring her up on murder 1 before they found little Caylee. Am I right on this??

Hi nana :seeya:

You are very right on this point. All the diversions that this defense does is not going to make the facts disappear in this case to the jury. There is no way that they can or will (the jury) forget all that is presented by the Prosecution and go with a small tiny detail that is dragged through the entire case by the defense and agree with the defense. IMO there is just to much in this case that cannot be dismissed.

[BettyC]

LOL Jim's got his work cut out for him ... as far as court proceedings go, someone better coach her on no gum chewing, raising your hand, answering a question with a question, finger pointing, deciding the relevancy of the questions being asked, pleading the fifth, speaking about her lack of sleep and weight loss, answering with a simple yes and no without elaboration, making her understand the foreign concept of swearing under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth ... sounds like a Mission Impossible to me! :biggrin:

orrrrr she could just be herself.

[denjet]

He's gonna have to use the heavy artillary on her, especially if she takes a dislike to the prosecutor questioning her. Look how she reacted at the depo, and you know Conway spent hours/days coaching her.

I wonder if he'll have to post those little flags around the property like they do when a dog is being trained to respect the "invisible fence".
If Cindy is wearing an "odd" looking necklace during her testimony, we'll have to see if Jim is carrying a transmitter!!
I like it, ish!! Can picture her getting shocked each time too! :biggrin:

[nana6]

BBL frirends

[denjet]

orrrrr she could just be herself.
That's what I'm secretly hoping for, Bett! Cindy being Cindy .... :biggrin:

[seeing_eye]

:lol: So much for Casey's "Dream Team". JMO

Perhaps it's more like the "nightmare" team? :w00t:

[kingfish]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21173693/detail.html

They are looking for a live Caylee!!

[summer]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21173693/detail.html

They are looking for a live Caylee!!

I'm convinced now they're intentionally trying to make everyone think they're too crazy to testify - or if they do go under oath - too mentally addled with *grief* to speak the truth. There's a method to their madness IMO and I hope they're called out on it.

[denjet]

I think that ALL of Casey's alibis were seat-of-the-pants. Casey was simply living in the moment, putting Cindy off by telling Cindy that Caylee was taking a nap or with the nanny or whatever else occurred to Casey at that moment without any real planning for the future. I think Casey had a vague plan to leave town if Cindy started to really press her about Caylee. However, I don't think Casey thought up her "kidnapped by the nanny" scenario until Cindy tracked her down, cornered her at TonE's and refused to give her "one more day" to prove Caylee was OK (and Casey would have left town by the next day.) Similarly, when the first imagi-nanny scenario was proven untrue by the vacant apartment, then Casey made up the next imagi-nanny scenario. Casey probably could have made a favorable plea deal prior to the discovery of Caylee's remains but I doubt she thought that far ahead i.e. what she would do after Caylee's remains were discovered and she lost that last little bit of bargaining leverage.

The AMAZING thing in the communications between Cindy and DCasey, and especially the communications between Cindy ("Rosebud") and Baez, is Cindy's perpetual efforts to grasp at straws that perhaps when Casey said this then perhaps Casey was giving a clue that this meant that and perhaps Casey was trying to communicate that this person was "somehow involved" in Caylee's disappearance etc. etc. etc. As though Casey had been knocked unconscious and was in a coma, and thus could not simply TELL HER ATTORNEY or anyone else EXACTLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED. If, as Casey claimed and Cindy apparently believed, Casey was remaining silent to protect Caylee from harm by some kidnapper, there is no longer any reason for Casey to remain silent. Caylee cannot be harmed any further even if Casey were to sing like a canary.

As the police investigators said, Casey is the one with all the answers. Casey knows where, when, how, why, with whom, etc. she left Caylee. Cindy, George, Lee, DCasey etc. may furiously be chasing their tails, but there was never any way they could uncover a single fact Casey didn't already know. And Casey certainly isn't telling.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Hi Kat!
(Bolding Mine)
What's struck me about Cindy's scenario building and those emails between Dominic and her was how she's trying to find reasonable explanations for every lie KC has told to throw guilt elsewhere when in reality (I think) she's helped the prosecution unravel KC's lies and has shed light on how she wove them together in the first place, where she came up with the names, places etc. ...

[denjet]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21173693/detail.html

They are looking for a live Caylee!!
Not sure what they were trying to do there, king
Maybe, if they think there's the slight chance that the DNA testing of the remains can be proven to be unreliable ?? I thought well maybe they were trying to say someone else had her while KC was in jail? but the dates didn't jive and then Cindy said it looked like an older Caylee !! :huh:

[seeing_eye]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21173693/detail.html

They are looking for a live Caylee!!

Shortly after Caylee's remains were identified, I saw a website that appeared to be a page of varying scenarios of might have happened to Caylee. This phrase on it I found to be quite interesting: "Cadavers stolen, height of child based on bones, foot size, old injuries to long bones, tests from tooth which could have come from live Caylee?"

I got the impression the writer was insinuating that the remains were not Caylee's, but were made to appear that way by persons unknown (possibly even imaginary people)! I have no idea of the identity of the owner of that site, but this might give us an idea of why Cindy was still looking for a live Caylee as late as 2 months ago.

The webpage is no longer online, but a cached page can be seen at link below, although I haven't been able to access it recently because of limited bandwidth:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:3Tirjzdw4gcJ:www.cayleesplace.com/+cayleesplace.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Or_is_it?]

Hi Kat!
(Bolding Mine)
What's struck me about Cindy's scenario building and those emails between Dominic and her was how she's trying to find reasonable explanations for every lie KC has told to throw guilt elsewhere when in reality (I think) she's helped the prosecution unravel KC's lies and has shed light on how she wove them together in the first place, where she came up with the names, places etc. ...


They're still doing it. Conway's presser.

[Spots]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21173693/detail.html

They are looking for a live Caylee!!

Yes. And notice the great amount of toil and labor contributed by Cynthia Anthony: Forward <click>

[seeing_eye]

I'm convinced now they're intentionally trying to make everyone think they're too crazy to testify - or if they do go under oath - too mentally addled with *grief* to speak the truth. There's a method to their madness IMO and I hope they're called out on it.

Summer, I have to respectfully disagree. I believe their ONLY purpose in looking for a live Caylee is to attempt to impart "reasonable doubt" to potential jurors. They're trying to do this in many other ways too like pointing fingers of suspicion at every person who ever came in contact with Casey or the Anthony family. They have a 1-track mind only, and that one track is "reasonable doubt."

[Barbara fl.]

I'm convinced now they're intentionally trying to make everyone think they're too crazy to testify - or if they do go under oath - too mentally addled with *grief* to speak the truth. There's a method to their madness IMO and I hope they're called out on it.


I think Cindy is crazy enough to try and insinuate that the remains found were planted there by the murderer and they are of another little girl to be made to look like Caylee....I think that when LKB called everythying that the state has is junk science....that maybe Cindy came up with the idea to say that it was junk science that is claiming this is Caylee.....She probably thinks that if she can get some people to believe this, it would help Casey.....

FAT CHANCE........

These people actually think everyone is stupid but them....They need to resign themselves to the fact that Casey is never going to be free again......

They are sure coming up with alot of money to be doing all this.......

[Or_is_it?]

Yes. And notice the great amount of toil and labor contributed by Cynthia Anthony: Forward <click>

Dominic's working just as hard. He's going to make a call.

[crimeq]

LOL Jim's got his work cut out for him ... as far as court proceedings go, someone better coach her on no gum chewing, raising your hand, answering a question with a question, finger pointing, deciding the relevancy of the questions being asked, pleading the fifth, speaking about her lack of sleep and weight loss, answering with a simple yes and no without elaboration, making her understand the foreign concept of swearing under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth ... sounds like a Mission Impossible to me! :biggrin:

I suspect Mrs. Anthony is most likely Jim's most challenging project, ever.

[Or_is_it?]

I think Cindy is crazy enough to try and insinuate that the remains found were planted there by the murderer and they are of another little girl to be made to look like Caylee....I think that when LKB called everythying that the state has is junk science....that maybe Cindy came up with the idea to say that it was junk science that is claiming this is Caylee.....She probably thinks that if she can get some people to believe this, it would help Casey.....

FAT CHANCE........

These people actually think everyone is stupid but them....They need to resign themselves to the fact that Casey is never going to be free again......

They are sure coming up with alot of money to be doing all this.......

So the memorial service was a hoax? They were just trying to pretend they were no longer looking for Caylee. C'mon!

[Barbara fl.]

Summer, I have to respectfully disagree. I believe their ONLY purpose in looking for a live Caylee is to attempt to impart "reasonable doubt" to potential jurors. They're trying to do this in many other ways too like pointing fingers of suspicion at every person who ever came in contact with Casey or the Anthony family. They have a 1-track mind only, and that one track is "reasonable doubt."


I agree...they will not stop until the trial is over and even then I doubt that they will......

[summer]

Summer, I have to respectfully disagree. I believe their ONLY purpose in looking for a live Caylee is to attempt to impart "reasonable doubt" to potential jurors. They're trying to do this in many other ways too like pointing fingers of suspicion at every person who ever came in contact with Casey or the Anthony family. They have a 1-track mind only, and that one track is "reasonable doubt."

Hey seeing eye - that hadn't even occurred to me because it seems so ridiculous! I think you may be right. Good gawd that's so bizarre. Who would ever believe that?

I'll give your theory 50% and mine 50%... :smile:

(I think the reason my mind went there is all the screaming about Caylee is Alive! way back when Tim Miller was working so hard on the case, as well as the dialing for dollars activity, which was basically set up as a Help Us Find Caylee Fund even after LE told them she was deceased based on cadaver dogs and forensics gathered up to that point (before the body was found). They didn't skip a beat and amped it up after that as a matter of fact. I think they knew darn well she was deceased by that time. I didn't believe them then and that's why I don't believe they're going for reasonable doubt now - I think they want the authorities to think they're nuts and want the public to shake their heads, throw up their hands and write them off as too disturbed to know what they're doing -- ie pity them...)

Hey I think I just convinced myself I'm correct so I'm taking back my 50%!

[Or_is_it?]

I agree...they will not stop until the trial is over and even then I doubt that they will......

The will NEVER concede. Never. Casey could confess and I believe the Anthony's would again nominate her for mother of the year that Casey is doing this still protecting their family.

[Barbara fl.]

So the memorial service was a hoax? They were just trying to pretend they were no longer looking for Caylee. C'mon!


This took place after the cerimony...I believe that Cindy may very well tink she could pull this off to give reasonable doubt....Someone probably said to her that the only way Casey would stand a bit of a chance is if those remains they found do not belong t Caylee...they may have been only trying to convince her that he daughter don't stand a chance in hell.....
But Cindy thinks she can pull this off....she will stop at nothing....

Why else would she have made menton that the girl in the picture looks like an older Caylee and is somewhere in PR with someone by the name of Zenaida Gonzales?

[jakee]

The will NEVER concede. Never. Casey could confess and I believe the Anthony's would again nominate her for mother of the year that Casey is doing this still protecting their family.

Sad to say, but I think you may be right.

[Barbara fl.]

The will NEVER concede. Never. Casey could confess and I believe the Anthony's would again nominate her for mother of the year that Casey is doing this still protecting their family.


For sure, they will continue to paint Casey as the mother of the year...loving and caring and all that crap...It's who they think their kidding that troubling? Not the public, that's for sure....

[summer]

I just edited my response to seeing-eye in case anyone is champing at the bit to get me. :biggrin:

(and believe it or not the word is *champing* - I know it sounds weird but what's a girl to do?)

[seeing_eye]

Hey seeing eye - that hadn't even occurred to me because it seems so ridiculous! I think you may be right. Good gawd that's so bizarre. Who would ever believe that?

I'll give your theory 50% and mine 50%... :smile:

(I think the reason my mind went there is all the screaming about Caylee is Alive! way back when Tim Miller was working so hard on the case, as well as the dialing for dollars activity, which was basically set up as a Help Us Find Caylee Fund even after LE told them she was deceased based on cadaver dogs and forensics gathered up to that point (before the body was found). They didn't skip a beat and amped it up after that as a matter of fact. I think they knew darn well she was deceased by that time. I didn't believe them then and that's why I don't believe them now...)

Hey I think I just convinced myself I'm correct so I'm taking back my 50%!

Well, summer, there is another possibility. Perhaps they're still looking for a live Caylee so they can remain a member of the "unique" club of families with missing children which will let them attend all those fundraisers for missing children!

[Barbara fl.]

Well, summer, there is another possibility. Perhaps they're still looking for a live Caylee so they can remain a member of the "unique" club of families with missing children which will let them attend all those fundraisers for missing children!

That is another good point....:laugh:...maybe their funds are running low and they need more donations....

[summer]

Well, summer, there is another possibility. Perhaps they're still looking for a live Caylee so they can remain a member of the "unique" club of families with missing children which will let them attend all those fundraisers for missing children!

That was my fallback position. :biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

Off to see NG..hope she has something good to say.....

[denjet]

I think Cindy is crazy enough to try and insinuate that the remains found were planted there by the murderer and they are of another little girl to be made to look like Caylee....I think that when LKB called everythying that the state has is junk science....that maybe Cindy came up with the idea to say that it was junk science that is claiming this is Caylee.....She probably thinks that if she can get some people to believe this, it would help Casey.....

FAT CHANCE........

These people actually think everyone is stupid but them....They need to resign themselves to the fact that Casey is never going to be free again......

They are sure coming up with alot of money to be doing all this.......
Hi Barb!
Probably what Cindy thinks might fly if the autopsy results can be disputed ... and if everything found at the sight can be disputed or blamed on someone else framing KC and putting it there ...
I wonder how Lyon feels getting so much "help" from Dominic and Cindy ???

[Pam1569]

Hi Barb!
Probably what Cindy thinks might fly if the autopsy results can be disputed ... and if everything found at the sight can be disputed or blamed on someone else framing KC and putting it there ...
I wonder how Lyon feels getting so much "help" from Dominic and Cindy ???

Hi denjet, Lyon should be thankful (sarcastic) that she has those two on her side to mess this case up even further than it already is. There is no way that the elderly pointer is going to let her say not be in this case. jmo

[velvetbrown]

For sure, they will continue to paint Casey as the mother of the year...loving and caring and all that crap...It's who they think their kidding that troubling? Not the public, that's for sure....

Cindy's plan has always been ABC. Anybody But Casey

[denjet]

Hi denjet, Lyon should be thankful (sarcastic) that she has those two on her side to mess this case up even further than it already is. There is no way that the elderly pointer is going to let her say not be in this case. jmo

Hi Pam :seeya:
Wonder how long it will take Lyon to realize she is never going to be able to control what Cindy does or says ... maybe she doesn't want to ... Cindy, do you hear a bus ??? :biggrin:

[Pam1569]

Cindy's plan has always been ABC. Anybody But Casey

Hi velvet, ITA every since Cindy did her excited utterance she has been back tracking ever since. She will never win and her mother of the year will be in prison for a long time. I won't be around to see her age so well behind bars. Dang

[Pam1569]

Hi Pam :seeya:
Wonder how long it will take Lyon to realize she is never going to be able to control what Cindy does or says ... maybe she doesn't want to ... Cindy, do you hear a bus ??? :biggrin:

Hi denjet, I most assuredly think that Lyon wants Cindy to bury herself with her words. jmo

[velvetbrown]

Hi velvet, ITA every since Cindy did her excited utterance she has been back tracking ever since. She will never win and her mother of the year will be in prison for a long time. I won't be around to see her age so well behind bars. Dang

Where ya going Pam?

[Pam1569]

Where ya going Pam?

Hi velvet, I will no longer be bound to this body. jmo

[velvetbrown]

Hi velvet, I will no longer be bound to this body. jmo

I'm at a loss for words Pam...{HUGS}...:(

[martha]

Hi everyone do we have anything new today on this case? I have not been able to be on here today and just wondered if anything new has happened. I really don;t understand some of the stuff that is coming out now. I guess it is just a spin the def.is putting on everything.jmho:wub:

[newsjunkie]

Hi velvet, ITA every since Cindy did her excited utterance she has been back tracking ever since. She will never win and her mother of the year will be in prison for a long time. I won't be around to see her age so well behind bars. Dang


I am just hoping I will make it long enough for the trial! :rolleyes:

[Pam1569]

Hi everyone do we have anything new today on this case? I have not been able to be on here today and just wondered if anything new has happened. I really don;t understand some of the stuff that is coming out now. I guess it is just a spin the def.is putting on everything.jmho:wub:

Good evening Martha
It seems just to be another spin on words from the family and their attorney. I really don't think that it is anything to be worried about. She is still going to be convicted imo.

[Pam1569]

I am just hoping I will make it long enough for the trial! :rolleyes:

Hi news, I hear ya. The way the defense and family keeps delaying it seems like forever, but imo it will get here fast tie just keeps flying. :smile:

[martha]

Good evening Martha
It seems just to be another spin on words from the family and their attorney. I really don't think that it is anything to be worried about. She is still going to be convicted imo. Thank you I love to hear that. I get scared when the def.puts the spinds on everything. I need you to keep me up and making sure I keep believing she will get what is coming to her. Justice for Caylee is all I want.jmho:wub:

[denjet]

Hang in there, news. Next year, hopefully! :smile:
Hi Ya!
Where'd everybody go? Do you now if NG had anything on tonight?

[5swab5]

Hi Ya!
Where'd everybody go? Do you now if NG had anything on tonight?


I'm watching, er listening to the replay right now. So far, it is all the Haleigh case, and that is just stuff from the beginning of the case, so far.

[denjet]

I'm watching, er listening to the replay right now. So far, it is all the Haleigh case, and that is just stuff from the beginning of the case, so far.
Thanx swab! I didn't think she would do 2 in a row ... love the clips lastnight though ...

[denjet]

:seeya:

NG was mostly, if not entirely about Haleigh Cummings tonite, IIRC.
Thanx Say! I wonder if she's ever do the Cindy show ??

[adair]

Thanx Say! I wonder if she's ever do the Cindy show ??

I cannot believe that DC had NG on his list.......lol

[farrahrani]

I'm surprised her producer wasn't on that list, Natisha Lance, is that her name? :tongueside:

[Scampi]

Morning everyone. Just a heads up that someone from the defense team will be on The Today Show this segment, to talk about the recent motions.

[RayStar]

Scampi LKB is really fighting for Casey. Must say LKB looks much younger or well rested.

[Sun]

Morning everyone. Just a heads up that someone from the defense team will be on The Today Show this segment, to talk about the recent motions.

Maybe it's my imagination, but doesn't an appearance from the Anthony's/Conway or the defense seem to happen during the first week of every month on the Today Show?

Good morning everyone!

[Scampi]

It's lkb and jose. Basically saying that there is one foreign hair and foreign dna on the duct tape. Claiming that the prosecution cannot link casey anthony to the crime thru forensics.

jose said - what the prosecution has to do is prosecute.

I have to take a moment to consider this "profound" statement.

Okay, that done it seems to me that the defense in this case is continuing the media blitz to advance their incomplete and out of context nonsense to taint any jury pool. All the while talking about their change of venue motion and why it's necessary. :rolleyes:

They are also advancing the notion that circumstantial evidence isn't "real" or important evidence.

At the beginning of the segment, Kerry Sanders did a recap and stood in front of the 10 thousand pieces of paper released so far in the case. They came up to his waist.

[Scampi]

Maybe it's my imagination, but doesn't an appearance from the Anthony's/Conway or the defense seem to happen during the first week of every month on the Today Show?

Good morning everyone!

Like clockwork, Sun. Jury selection is going to be critical in this case, I hope the State has hired the best jury consultant they can find. I know the defense will, that's how lkb operates. She wants a juror like Number 10 in the spector one fiasco. IMO.

[Scampi]

Todd Macaluso on GMA.........the tainting of the jury pool continues.....imo.

Todd states that any evidence that there was a dead child in the trunk is "junk science." :thumbdown:

[Sun]

Like clockwork, Sun. Jury selection is going to be critical in this case, I hope the State has hired the best jury consultant they can find. I know the defense will, that's how lkb operates. She wants a juror like Number 10 in the spector one fiasco. IMO.

I'm eager to see what the State's position is on the COV, and what Judge Strickland's ruling will be.

[Sun]

Todd Macaluso on GMA.........the tainting of the jury pool continues.....imo.

Todd states that any evidence that there was a dead child in the trunk is "junk science." :thumbdown:

My my... wide coverage with the national media this morning. The defense wants "their" point-of-view out there on a national level, to be heard by folks residing in the counties that they have targeted in their COV. I wonder how Judge Strickland will feel about this?

[CNTM]

Casey's attorney on CBS in central time zone in 2 minutes after commercial break to explain why the evidence does not add up. :rolls eyes:

[MisterGrey]

LBK and Jose mentioned the DNA on the duct tape this morning on the TODAY show.
The discovery docs state this DNA belonged to lab tech Lorie Gottesman (QDU).
Their attempt, by omitting to mention whose DNA it was, is to imply there exists some unknown perpetrator. This tactic may work with the uninformed public which they are trying to influence pre- jury selection, but will be a useless tactic to use in the courtroom.

[Sun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN1t_uONUbw

Here is what the defense is up to this morning.

[LadyHam]

It's lkb and jose. Basically saying that there is one foreign hair and foreign dna on the duct tape. Claiming that the prosecution cannot link casey anthony to the crime thru forensics.

jose said - what the prosecution has to do is prosecute.

I have to take a moment to consider this "profound" statement.

Okay, that done it seems to me that the defense in this case is continuing the media blitz to advance their incomplete and out of context nonsense to taint any jury pool. All the while talking about their change of venue motion and why it's necessary. :rolleyes:

They are also advancing the notion that circumstantial evidence isn't "real" or important evidence.

At the beginning of the segment, Kerry Sanders did a recap and stood in front of the 10 thousand pieces of paper released so far in the case. They came up to his waist.

Bolding by me....

And isn't that just so hypocritical. When JB argues for the COV motion I hope the prosecution brings up any and all media appearances by the defense.

Of course the prosecution has to prosecute Casey. That is what they are doing. Many cases are prosecuted on CE evidence alone, w/out forensics evidence to tie the perpetrator to the crime. Just look at SP, he's on DR. The reason there is not any forensics evidence is because Caylee's body was out in the elements for almost 6 months, so all traces of forensics evidence had a chance to wash away or be destroyed. And, what about the forensics evidence from the trunk of Casey's car? I think there is plenty of evidence to show that a dead Caylee was in the trunk of that car and that is a direct tie to Casey. Regardless of what evidence is presented at trial, the defense will never get around Casey not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days, and Casey's lies, demeanor, and actions during and after that 31 day time period. Plus, they will never get around the smell of human decomposition in the trunk of Casey's car either. If the defense is so certain that Casey is innocent and is going to get off and that the prosecution has such a weak case, then let's take this case to trial right now. There should be no reason for the defense to delay this trial any longer.

Good morning, all! :seeya:

[Scampi]

I agree with you Sun. Way to early for the State to begin assessing what the prevailing biases are, if any. Closer to trial is the appropriate time for this, imo. The way the world is, another case could come along and push casey anthony off the front pages completely. Tho her defense team is doing their absolute best to keep her front and center, as they whine about "publicity."

Then, there is always the possibility of bussing in jurors from adjacent counties, rather then making everyone move to another county. In this day and age of fiscal restraint, this is how I think Judge Stan will go.

[Scampi]

LBK and Jose mentioned the DNA on the duct tape this morning on the TODAY show.
The discovery docs state this DNA belonged to lab tech Lorie Gottesman (QDU).
Their attempt, by omitting to mention whose DNA it was, is to imply there exists some unknown perpetrator. This tactic may work with the uninformed public which they are trying to influence pre- jury selection, but will be a useless tactic to use in the courtroom.

Welcome newbie! I am curious how Gottesman's dna got on that duct tape tho, these techs surely wear gloves, so what's the source of the dna?

[CNTM]

Thank you Sun. Gotta wade through all the Letterman mess before they get to the "main" story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN1t_uONUbw

Here is what the defense is up to this morning.

[cassidy]

Welcome newbie! I am curious how Gottesman's dna got on that duct tape tho, these techs surely wear gloves, so what's the source of the dna?
I thought it was a hair and I'm wondering if that happens more often than we hear about. IMO the defense in this case is going to make a huge deal out of it. Actually they are already.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Dont know if its been posted .. LKB and Jose on the today show this morning....comig up.. on now

[Sun]

I agree with you Sun. Way to early for the State to begin assessing what the prevailing biases are, if any. Closer to trial is the appropriate time for this, imo. The way the world is, another case could come along and push casey anthony off the front pages completely. Tho her defense team is doing their absolute best to keep her front and center, as they whine about "publicity."

Then, there is always the possibility of bussing in jurors from adjacent counties, rather then making everyone move to another county. In this day and age of fiscal restraint, this is how I think Judge Stan will go.

The more that I think about this, busing in jurors from another county does sound like a wonderful idea. I just wonder how often something like this is done for a capital case? We'll likely be hearing more about it when the court date for the COV motion is set.

[Scampi]

I thought it was a hair and I'm wondering if that happens more often than we hear about. IMO the defense in this case is going to make a huge deal out of it. Actually they are already.

Hiya Cass. lkb made a point of saying it was dna and a hair. I am wondering if the dna was actually degraded dna that was actually from casey or Caylee anthony, but degraded so much it failed to match her sample so lkb is describing it as "foreign"

This was a five month old crimescene, it would be suspicious if there wasn't a strange hair or two on the evidence, imo.

At any rate, one strange hair does not erase all of the devastating
circumstantial evidence the prosecution has against this accused baby killer, imo.

Their motions to dismiss won't go anywhere, just gives them an excuse to play to the public.

The sooner Judge Stan stops the nonsense the better, imo.

[forensicfan]

Baden and Baez are on the Today Show right now trying to create reasonable doubt. I'm not buying any of it.

Her story alone is ridiculous let alone proven to be a lie and the evidence these two seem to forget all the evidence in Casey's car.

This is really making me angry!:cursing:

[LadyHam]

Todd Macaluso on GMA.........the tainting of the jury pool continues.....imo.

Todd states that any evidence that there was a dead child in the trunk is "junk science." :thumbdown:

Oh, for goodness sake, TM is on GM America this morning too?:rolleyes: I wonder who they have to cover the CBS Early Show? Talk about tainting any potential jury pool. When the prosecution releases evidence that they are required to do by the Florida Sunshine Laws, that's leaking of evidence and tainting the potential jury pool. What does the defense think it is when they go on their media blitzes and spout their nonsense? Again, I hope the prosecution and the judge takes these media appearances into account when the COV motion is heard. If the defense doesn't think there is any evidence against Casey, then there is no reason why this case can't go to trial right now.

The defense will never, and I mean never, get around Casey not reporting Caylee missing. They will never get around Casey's actions, demeanor and lies during the time and after Caylee was missing. They will never get around why Casey won't provide the truthful details of just how Caylee got out of her possession and why she won't talk about that w/LE.

I think the fact that Casey was Caylee's mother and the fact that she was the last known person (that actually exists) that was w/Caylee trumps any and all potential lost forensics evidence. I say lost, because I think that at one time there was possibly a lot of forensics evidence tying Casey to the crime scene. It just had 6 month to deteriorate and wash away. I don't think that the evidence from the car is "junk science" either, and I don't think that the judge or jury will feel that way either.

I almost hope that the defense team keeps up their media blitz, because it will almost guarantee them that their COV motion won't be granted.

[Lavinya]

I would be surprised if DNA testing doesn't bring up "rogue" DNA in most cases. Every time my cleaning lady comes, I think about forensics, lol. I bet we have have DNA from people's houses I don't know, (from her using cleaning supplies on all her different people's houses). My kids probably drag DNA from others' houses, my pets bring foreign DNA, I buy most everything in my house from online catalogs, where I'm sure foreign DNA is falling in my house on a daily basis. I don't understand how there isn't MORE DNA to exclude in these cases, frankly.

[Sun]

I thought it was a hair and I'm wondering if that happens more often than we hear about. IMO the defense in this case is going to make a huge deal out of it. Actually they are already.

As I understand it, there was an unidentifiable hair that was found on the "collection paper" that was placed under the skull when they were doing their lab work/examination on the skull. For all we know, it could have been an animal hair (the Discovery didn't say it was determined to be a human hair, did it?).

The fact that none of Caylee's DNA was found on the tape, gives me the impression that the DNA fragment that was found likely came from a source recently. (I'm thinking that if Caylee's DNA didn't survive the elements, then why would her killer's DNA survive.)

Anyway, the defense will try to get jurors to believe their spin on this detail, and the State will get their chance to tell their side. I haven't heard their arguments yet, so perhaps my mind could change?

[LadyHam]

Casey's attorney on CBS in central time zone in 2 minutes after commercial break to explain why the evidence does not add up. :rolls eyes:

Oh, so they do have all 3 big morning shows covered this morning, huh?:rolleyes: Well, if they don't think the evidence adds up, then let's start the trial ASAP. If they think their client is innocent, and they think there isn't any evidence against her, then it is just wrong for them to allow her to sit in jail any longer.

[CNTM]

Oh, so they do have all 3 big morning shows covered this morning, huh?:rolleyes: Well, if they don't think the evidence adds up, then let's start the trial ASAP. If they think their client is innocent, and they think there isn't any evidence against her, then it is just wrong for them to allow her to sit in jail any longer.

Oh did you ever hit the nail on the head LadyHam! :thumbsup: Why not just show what you have and get her out? What a crock they spout! :cursing:

[LadyHam]

LBK and Jose mentioned the DNA on the duct tape this morning on the TODAY show.
The discovery docs state this DNA belonged to lab tech Lorie Gottesman (QDU).
Their attempt, by omitting to mention whose DNA it was, is to imply there exists some unknown perpetrator. This tactic may work with the uninformed public which they are trying to influence pre- jury selection, but will be a useless tactic to use in the courtroom.

Exactly. They spin the evidence to fit w/their agenda. I truly wish that the lab tech's DNA was not on the duct tape, but I just wonder how common this type of thing is? I mean these people are human and unless they are covered head to toe w/some sort of impermeable body suit, the potential for contamination exists. I really don't think it is big news. If they couldn't identify the DNA, then it might be, but the fact that they have identified it and know that it belongs to an FBI lab tech clears up the fact that this isn't the DNA of Caylee's murderer.

[Scampi]

Baden and Baez are on the Today Show right now trying to create reasonable doubt. I'm not buying any of it.

Her story alone is ridiculous let alone proven to be a lie and the evidence these two seem to forget all the evidence in Casey's car.

This is really making me angry!:cursing:


But, but didn't you hear linda respond to Matt that "everyone makes mistakes".......... :lol:

In other words, the accused baby killer waiting 30 days, entering a hot bod contest, stealing checks and enjoying her romance with Lazzaro all while her baby was "kidnapped by Zanny the Nanny" is one big ole oops on the part of casey anthony.

Heck, release her immediately!!!

I hope this defense team keeps insulting the intelligence of the public in this way, because come trial time, this accused baby killer will pay for it.

IMO

[need2no]

Welcome newbie! I am curious how Gottesman's dna got on that duct tape tho, these techs surely wear gloves, so what's the source of the dna?

I heard a guest on HLN explain that it could have been something as simple as a piece of dead skin, an eyelash, or eyebrow hair. We've got 'stuff' falling off us all the time. They stated this was not unusual at all.
It made sense to me since the forensics people while they do wear gloves, they don't wear a bag over their head while leaning over and working with the potential evidence. Fortunately they took the tech's DNA and confirmed it was hers...a fact the defense seems to gloss over while they try to imply SODDI.

[Lavinya]

But, but didn't you hear linda respond to Matt that "everyone makes mistakes".......... :lol:

In other words, the accused baby killer waiting 30 days, entering a hot bod contest, stealing checks and enjoying her romance with Lazzaro all while her baby was "kidnapped by Zanny the Nanny" is one big ole oops on the part of casey anthony.

Heck, release her immediately!!!

I hope this defense team keeps insulting the intelligence of the public in this way, because come trial time, this accused baby killer will pay for it.

IMO

The type of "mistake" one might make when their baby is missing, is not eating well, not sleeping, searching all hours until exhausted, etc. I wouldn't "mistakingly" *party* while my baby is missing, FGS. Mistake that I got a tattoo saying "beautiful life"? :rolleyes: You're right, they're going to insult the wrong jurors with htis...

[Scampi]

I heard a guest on HLN explain that it could have been something as simple as a piece of dead skin, an eyelash, or eyebrow hair. We've got 'stuff' falling off us all the time. They stated this was not unusual at all.
It made sense to me since the forensics people while they do wear gloves, they don't wear a bag over their head while leaning over and working with the potential evidence. Fortunately they took the tech's DNA and confirmed it was hers...a fact the defense seems to gloss over while they try to imply SODDI.

Thanks Need2, makes perfect sense. She could have even sneezed I guess. At any rate, this crimescene was 5 months old, that no dna links this defendant is not surprise.

However, they do have the winnie the pooh blanket, duct tape and garbage bags that I believe do link back to the anthony home. No explaining that away, imo.

[forensicfan]

More "Hail Mary passes" to me (quoting another poster from a past post).

They can spout their nonsense all they want but in court, I think they have plenty of proof that she killed her daughter.

Trying to have the case dismissed simply because nobody saw her do it and her parents helped her cover it up by cleaning the car and washing her clothing is quite a stretch.

1) She didn't bother to report her child missing. Her mother did 30 days later after tracking her down and forcing an answer out of her as to where Caylee was.
2) Her story about dropping Caylee off at Sawgrass Apartments was proven a lie via surveillance tapes showing no sign of Casey, Caylee or this phantom nanny at any point in time that day (I'll bet Casey peed her pants when she found out there was a surveillance camera at the apartments and that the apartment was vacant).
3) NOBODY has been able to find ANY trace of this "nanny" she knew for 4 years. No phone calls, e-mails, pictures, people to verify, etc.
4) She went out partying and acting like she never even had a child let alone had a kidnapped child.
5) There is STRONG evidence of Caylee's body having been in the car Casey was driving.
6) Both garbage and laundry bag that Caylee was found in match bags found in the home, along with the missing Winnie the Pooh blanket that was missing and a few toys of Caylees.
7) No appearance of worry when Caylee was "missing" and then no appearance of grief after her body was found.

I could go on and on. Yeah, I think her ship is sunk regardless of what Baden and Baez say on TV. Interesting try to "reach the nation" so they can say that she won't get a fair trial anywhere.

[MisterGrey]

Welcome newbie! I am curious how Gottesman's dna got on that duct tape tho, these techs surely wear gloves, so what's the source of the dna?
Thank You for the welcome.
I would certainly not want to be in Ms. Gottesman's shoes during her job performance review, however if you consider that DNA exists in such minute size and while techs suit up to prevent contamination, the lab conditions themselves serve to promote the integrity of both its tech's DNA and the biological samples. The fact that the contaminate was found and identified speaks well for the SOP of the lab.

Better for the DNA to be identified, then remain an unknown.

Contrast these lab settings to the original duct tape sample, exposed to the elements, which included water saturation and high temperatures over six months time. The probability of finding viable DNA are greatly diminished.

[forensicfan]

But, but didn't you hear linda respond to Matt that "everyone makes mistakes".......... :lol:

In other words, the accused baby killer waiting 30 days, entering a hot bod contest, stealing checks and enjoying her romance with Lazzaro all while her baby was "kidnapped by Zanny the Nanny" is one big ole oops on the part of casey anthony.

Heck, release her immediately!!!

I hope this defense team keeps insulting the intelligence of the public in this way, because come trial time, this accused baby killer will pay for it.

IMO

I know. I think they know Casey is caught and this is their only hope as far as a defense. My personal thought is that they don't truly believe she is innocent either.

[need2no]

Oh, so they do have all 3 big morning shows covered this morning, huh?:rolleyes: Well, if they don't think the evidence adds up, then let's start the trial ASAP. If they think their client is innocent, and they think there isn't any evidence against her, then it is just wrong for them to allow her to sit in jail any longer.

Exactly, no need for any additional time to prepare for this death penalty case. They claim to know the truth and say it will come out in court so let's get it on. If they have proof she is innocent, and the prosecution has nothing to connect casey to the murder, then obviously no worries about a death sentence for goodness sake...Lyons can spend her time figuring out another way to promote her new book.

Poor wrongly accused girl sitting in her dorm room munching on pork rinds and reading law books all day, when she could be out purchasing her Halloween costume for the next party and photo op. With the current pallor of her skin she would have a lot of choices for dressing up for Halloween. Such a shame, a real shame. Breaks my heart. :biggrin:

[Sun]

Oh, today of all days, I hope that Judge Strickland sets the date for the fraud trial.:thumbup:

Me too! Judge Strickland's order for a court date "to be set" was entered into the Clerk of Courts records on Sept 3. It is now Oct 2.

[forensicfan]

Sorry if this is a repeat.

I am curious about the blood stain in the shape of a child in the trunk of the car.

If there is a large enough blood stain to be in the shape of a child in the trunk of the car, would that not indicate that Caylee was bleeding at the time of her death? I wonder if they could tell by the amount of blood if she was bleeding (as in alive) or leaking blood anti-mortem. Either way, a significant amount of blood would certainly not be from a little cut.

I know that is a terrible thought but bear with me for a moment here.

I think it speaks volumes to say that if a significant amount of blood was found in the trunk of the car that matches Caylee's DNA, she was neither overdosed, drowned, suffocated nor strangled. Since, at least for the moment, there is no report of any injury to the skull, she was not knocked over the head either. She died violently proving a murder not an "accident".

Add that to the rest of what was released by the prosecutors and Casey is never going to see the light of day in my opinion.

[need2no]

Thanks Need2, makes perfect sense. She could have even sneezed I guess. At any rate, this crimescene was 5 months old, that no dna links this defendant is not surprise.

However, they do have the winnie the pooh blanket, duct tape and garbage bags that I believe do link back to the anthony home. No explaining that away, imo.

BBM

You know Scampi I think this is such a crucial part of this case, and the prosecution needs to keep reminding the jurors of this fact throughout the trial. They need to continually mention the fact that so much of the evidence that might have explained the cause of Caylee's death and who murdered her was erased due to the time that had elapsed before Caylee was reported missing, and the time it took to locate her remains. At the same time reminding the jury that casey was the last person known to have been with her daughter.

[Sun]

Sorry if this is a repeat.

I am curious about the blood stain in the shape of a child in the trunk of the car.

If there is a large enough blood stain to be in the shape of a child in the trunk of the car, would that not indicate that Caylee was bleeding at the time of her death? I wonder if they could tell by the amount of blood if she was bleeding (as in alive) or leaking blood anti-mortem. Either way, a significant amount of blood would certainly not be from a little cut.

I know that is a terrible thought but bear with me for a moment here.

I think it speaks volumes to say that if a significant amount of blood was found in the trunk of the car that matches Caylee's DNA, she was neither overdosed, drowned, suffocated nor strangled. Since, at least for the moment, there is no report of any injury to the skull, she was not knocked over the head either. She died violently proving a murder not an "accident".

Add that to the rest of what was released by the prosecutors and Casey is never going to see the light of day in my opinion.

It is my understanding that there was no BLOOD stain in the trunk. If media reported this, then they may have been mistaken. The Discovery released shows no identification of a stain of "blood" in the trunk.

[Scampi]

Forensics, there was no blood stain, that was an incorrect report by Fox news.

No blood at all was found in that trunk.

[need2no]

Sorry if this is a repeat.

I am curious about the blood stain in the shape of a child in the trunk of the car.

If there is a large enough blood stain to be in the shape of a child in the trunk of the car, would that not indicate that Caylee was bleeding at the time of her death? I wonder if they could tell by the amount of blood if she was bleeding (as in alive) or leaking blood anti-mortem. Either way, a significant amount of blood would certainly not be from a little cut.

I know that is a terrible thought but bear with me for a moment here.

I think it speaks volumes to say that if a significant amount of blood was found in the trunk of the car that matches Caylee's DNA, she was neither overdosed, drowned, suffocated nor strangled. Since, at least for the moment, there is no report of any injury to the skull, she was not knocked over the head either. She died violently proving a murder not an "accident".

Add that to the rest of what was released by the prosecutors and Casey is never going to see the light of day in my opinion.

There was no blood located in the trunk of casey's car. That was erroneous information put out by the media.

[courtsinsession]

One of the things we have to hope for is that the prosecution team has the right attorneys for this trial; i will never forget the OJ trial; what should have been a slam dunk with all the DNA evidence was ruined not only by the jury that was picked, but by Marcia Clark and Chris Darden; the glove demo turned out to be a joke, such horrible mistake by the prosecution; With so much DNA evidence in the Anthony case you have to have people on the jury capable of understanding it; the defense would probably prefer mentally challenged jurors.

The prosecution team for Scott Peterson was a good one and of course the Amber Frye tapes sealed the deal. No case is a slam dunk and remember the defense team's goal is to get her acquitted ( not likely); short of that their goal is to target that one juror that will cause a mistrial.

[Scampi]

BBM

You know Scampi I think this is such a crucial part of this case, and the prosecution needs to keep reminding the jurors of this fact throughout the trial. They need to continually mention the fact that so much of the evidence that might have explained the cause of Caylee's death and who murdered her was erased due to the time that had elapsed before Caylee was reported missing, and the time it took to locate her remains. At the same time reminding the jury that casey was the last person known to have been with her daughter.

Oh yes, and what a great way to do it. Everytime the defense whines that there is no forensics, the prosecution can slap an expert on the stand to reiterate the reason is because this defendant hid her daughter's body in a swamp and it remained there for five months during which time the floods came and animals tore the body apart, scattering poor Caylee's body all thru that swamp. Forgive me for the graphic words, but I think the prosecution should be this graphic with the jury. They have to be told this is no "mistake" by the defendant.

[LadyHam]

Morning all. Bill I wonder what type of science they'll accept?

Any science that would clear their client.

[forensicfan]

There was no blood located in the trunk of casey's car. That was erroneous information put out by the media.

Ahh, I see. Thank you (and to Sun and Scampi). My bad. I thought it was factual.

[LadyHam]

Welcome newbie! I am curious how Gottesman's dna got on that duct tape tho, these techs surely wear gloves, so what's the source of the dna?

They might wear gloves, but they don't wear impermeable body suits. There are probably any number of ways that the lab tech's DNA could have gotten on there. I wonder if the FBI has any idea how that could have happened? I know these people are human and mistakes will happen, but I just hope they are kept to a minimum. The defense will jump on every single one of them, which I guess they should since it is their job to defend Casey.

[need2no]

Oh yes, and what a great way to do it. Everytime the defense whines that there is no forensics, the prosecution can slap an expert on the stand to reiterate the reason is because this defendant hid her daughter's body in a swamp and it remained there for five months during which time the floods came and animals tore the body apart, scattering poor Caylee's body all thru that swamp. Forgive me for the graphic words, but I think the prosecution should be this graphic with the jury. They have to be told this is no "mistake" by the defendant.

Yes, and couple that with pictures of that precious child's remains, the crime scene photos, and autopsy report, I trust the jury will grasp the truth and do the right thing regardless of the spin from the defense.

[cassidy]

They might wear gloves, but they don't wear impermeable body suits. There are probably any number of ways that the lab tech's DNA could have gotten on there. I wonder if the FBI has any idea how that could have happened? I know these people are human and mistakes will happen, but I just hope they are kept to a minimum. The defense will jump on every single one of them, which I guess they should since it is their job to defend Casey.

And I'll bet it happens quite frequently. They test the random DNA and find it's from a lab person and that's the end of it. IMO the defense is just making a big deal out of nothing here. There is no such thing as a totally sterile lab environment. People shed hair and DNA all of the time. As long as they rule out where it came from (in this case someone in the lab) and are more than reasonably sure they had nothing to do with the crime, no one probably makes a big deal about it. Except this defense team.
JMO

[Scampi]

Yes, and couple that with pictures of that precious child's remains, the crime scene photos, and autopsy report, I trust the jury will grasp the truth and do the right thing regardless of the spin from the defense.

I do too and fill very sorry for the jury that has to see all this horrible evidence. Some of those people will be traumatized by this trial, imo.

I think Linda Drane-Burdick is the perfect prosecutor for this case.

linda kenney baden, in my experience, is long on yelling and snarkiness, but very short on presentation and actual facts. The trial is going to be interesting to me.

[Barbara fl.]

Oh, for goodness sake, TM is on GM America this morning too?:rolleyes: I wonder who they have to cover the CBS Early Show? Talk about tainting any potential jury pool. When the prosecution releases evidence that they are required to do by the Florida Sunshine Laws, that's leaking of evidence and tainting the potential jury pool. What does the defense think it is when they go on their media blitzes and spout their nonsense? Again, I hope the prosecution and the judge takes these media appearances into account when the COV motion is heard. If the defense doesn't think there is any evidence against Casey, then there is no reason why this case can't go to trial right now.

The defense will never, and I mean never, get around Casey not reporting Caylee missing. They will never get around Casey's actions, demeanor and lies during the time and after Caylee was missing. They will never get around why Casey won't provide the truthful details of just how Caylee got out of her possession and why she won't talk about that w/LE.

I think the fact that Casey was Caylee's mother and the fact that she was the last known person (that actually exists) that was w/Caylee trumps any and all potential lost forensics evidence. I say lost, because I think that at one time there was possibly a lot of forensics evidence tying Casey to the crime scene. It just had 6 month to deteriorate and wash away. I don't think that the evidence from the car is "junk science" either, and I don't think that the judge or jury will feel that way either.

I almost hope that the defense team keeps up their media blitz, because it will almost guarantee them that their COV motion won't be granted.


Good morning everyone,

I agree, how can the defense ask for a COV when they are the very ones keeping this story in the media....Macaluso is an air head...infact, I think they all are...How can they possibly think that the state doesn't have evidence....First of all, all the circumstantial evidence IS evidence, when it all goes to only one possible senerio...There was less circumstantial evidence with Scott Peterson, and look where he is...

Like you said, all the defense is doing right now is throwing things out there for any potential jurors....they know they have a tough case here and they are using every low trick in the book to gain some publicity for themselves, in order to attract all the criminals (that have money)...

Casey murdering her child and "sticking to she is not guilty", fell right up their alley...If Casey had, at any time, pled guilty to a lesser charge, it would have blown all their minds and all but Baez would have walked away.....jmo

[Barbara fl.]

They might wear gloves, but they don't wear impermeable body suits. There are probably any number of ways that the lab tech's DNA could have gotten on there. I wonder if the FBI has any idea how that could have happened? I know these people are human and mistakes will happen, but I just hope they are kept to a minimum. The defense will jump on every single one of them, which I guess they should since it is their job to defend Casey.


They usually will omit any DNA from workers at the onset...I think they just left this one out...workers DNA is expected to transfer onto evidence....but they usually take everyone that is handling the evidence's dna so that they can exclude them....as long as the DNA did match a lab tech, there is really no problem...if it didn't, then I would say the this is a small set back for the state...

I believe that the other hairs that were found in the trunk of the car also could have been transfer from the detectives or police....there is just no way to be 100% of no foreign dna being on any evidence....

The defense has nothing to use as a defense, so they will use the little errors that come naturely as a reason argue...Wait till this trial starts, then we will see just how low this defense is going to go....

[Barbara fl.]

Forensics, there was no blood stain, that was an incorrect report by Fox news.

No blood at all was found in that trunk.


I missed the shows, does anyone know of a link where I can hear it...I'm taking grands to school at that time....Thanks

[Sun]

Oh yes, and what a great way to do it. Everytime the defense whines that there is no forensics, the prosecution can slap an expert on the stand to reiterate the reason is because this defendant hid her daughter's body in a swamp and it remained there for five months during which time the floods came and animals tore the body apart, scattering poor Caylee's body all thru that swamp. Forgive me for the graphic words, but I think the prosecution should be this graphic with the jury. They have to be told this is no "mistake" by the defendant.

Casey's own statements to LE (and LE disproving the truthfulness of these statements), her cell phone records, txtmsgs, witness statements, etc., will be key in this trial. Casey was the last known person to have been seen with Caylee.

[Scampi]

I missed the shows, does anyone know of a link where I can hear it...I'm taking grands to school at that time....Thanks

Barb, someone up thread already linked a youtube to the Today show interview, check GMA website for the other one.

[Sun]

I missed the shows, does anyone know of a link where I can hear it...I'm taking grands to school at that time....Thanks

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33136180#33136180

[denjet]

Good Morning all!
The Today Show this morning:
Baden and Baez Appear
Casey's Attorneys: Nothing connects Casey to the crime scene (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33136180#33136180)

Here we go with the media blitz! :rolleyes:

ETA: Sun beat me to it! LOL

[Scampi]

Morning Den, yes it was a real hat trick with them blitzing all three networks with their dog and pony show. imo.

If they truly had a credible case, it would be tried in the courtroom not on the couches of the three main networks.

[martha]

They usually will omit any DNA from workers at the onset...I think they just left this one out...workers DNA is expected to transfer onto evidence....but they usually take everyone that is handling the evidence's dna so that they can exclude them....as long as the DNA did match a lab tech, there is really no problem...if it didn't, then I would say the this is a small set back for the state...

I believe that the other hairs that were found in the trunk of the car also could have been transfer from the detectives or police....there is just no way to be 100% of no foreign dna being on any evidence....

The defense has nothing to use as a defense, so they will use the little errors that come naturely as a reason argue...Wait till this trial starts, then we will see just how low this defense is going to go....ITA with you honey, You or so very smart and I love what you post.I will be reading today again and not post much but I sure have to agree with you. I really think all this stuff the def.is doing is going to hurt them in the long run. why don;t they tell us why casey waited 31 days to tell anyone Caylee was missing? we want to know why she lied about everything from day one. we want to know why cindy and george cleaned the car so very good. I know in my heart they knew Caylee was dead and casey did it so they were trying to get the car cleaned up so there would be nothing there to tie casey to Caylee. They did get a lot done away with but not all of it. geroge knew what to clean the car with to do away with evid.They should bring charges against cindy and geroge for doing that.they or just as guilty as their daughter is.jmho oh good morning everyone.:wub:

[Barbara fl.]

Barb, someone up thread already linked a youtube to the Today show interview, check GMA website for the other one.


Thanks....It made me sick to listen to LKB and Baez......WHAT is going to come out at trial.....Jesse did it, Amy did it, and heaven knows who else they will blame...Oh, ya...Kronk did it.......

This team, is a team of you know what.....

[Barbara fl.]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33136180#33136180


Thanks Sun, I just watched it.....LKB and Baez are in Lala land.....

[Sun]

Ok, I listened to LKB and Baez this morning. It seems to me that they are protesting a bit too much about there not being enough forensic evidence.

...what they didn't say, is perhaps there is not enough forensic evidence for them to use (twist to their advantage) to be able to convince the jury that Casey "didn't" or "couldn't" have committed this crime. The defense will need to find something to create doubt. And, right now, I do not believe that they have anything.

[Barbara fl.]

Morning Den, yes it was a real hat trick with them blitzing all three networks with their dog and pony show. imo.

If they truly had a credible case, it would be tried in the courtroom not on the couches of the three main networks.


All their appearance proves is that they are pulling straws right now....They are in hope of getting to any potential juror's......I sure wish a gag order would be put on.....

[denjet]

Morning Den, yes it was a real hat trick with them blitzing all three networks with their dog and pony show. imo.

If they truly had a credible case, it would be tried in the courtroom not on the couches of the three main networks.

Hi Scamp! My thoughts exactly ... "The lady doth protest too much, methinks!" ~ Hamlet

[Spots]

They usually will omit any DNA from workers at the onset...I think they just left this one out...workers DNA is expected to transfer onto evidence....but they usually take everyone that is handling the evidence's dna so that they can exclude them....as long as the DNA did match a lab tech, there is really no problem...if it didn't, then I would say the this is a small set back for the state...

I believe that the other hairs that were found in the trunk of the car also could have been transfer from the detectives or police....there is just no way to be 100% of no foreign dna being on any evidence....

The defense has nothing to use as a defense, so they will use the little errors that come naturely as a reason argue...Wait till this trial starts, then we will see just how low this defense is going to go....

I found it interesting that the lab keeps a file of all their lab tech's DNA, so they can rule in/out any mysterious results pronto. This tells me that it is a fairly common thing to have stray DNA show up on tested items. This worker was new and had not yet been tested - that's the only reason for the delay in discovering the origin of the mystery DNA.

Also in the lab's favor is the fact that *they* did due diligence in pinpointing the origin, and not waiting for the defense to get all twisted up about it.

[Barbara fl.]

ITA with you honey, You or so very smart and I love what you post.I will be reading today again and not post much but I sure have to agree with you. I really think all this stuff the def.is doing is going to hurt them in the long run. why don;t they tell us why casey waited 31 days to tell anyone Caylee was missing? we want to know why she lied about everything from day one. we want to know why cindy and george cleaned the car so very good. I know in my heart they knew Caylee was dead and casey did it so they were trying to get the car cleaned up so there would be nothing there to tie casey to Caylee. They did get a lot done away with but not all of it. geroge knew what to clean the car with to do away with evid.They should bring charges against cindy and geroge for doing that.they or just as guilty as their daughter is.jmho oh good morning everyone.:wub:

Good morning Martha....I agree with you....I too enjoy your posts and I am in hope that the reason your not posting that much is not because of what happened earlier in the week.....Do not let that keep you from posting.....we all love your posts and all your input on this case.... nothing was your fault at all.....

[Spots]

Thanks....It made me sick to listen to LKB and Baez......WHAT is going to come out at trial.....Jesse did it, Amy did it, and heaven knows who else they will blame...Oh, ya...Kronk did it.......

This team, is a team of you know what.....

Oh, I most certainly know what! :wink:

[cassidy]

I found it interesting that the lab keeps a file of all their lab tech's DNA, so they can rule in/out any mysterious results pronto. This tells me that it is a fairly common thing to have stray DNA show up on tested items. This worker was new and had not yet been tested - that's the only reason for the delay in discovering the origin of the mystery DNA.

Also in the lab's favor is the fact that *they* did due diligence in pinpointing the origin, and not waiting for the defense to get all twisted up about it.

As i said before, I believe that this happens more frequently than not (stray DNA) but THIS defense is making a big deal out of it because they know their client is guilty and they need anything to divert the attention from her.

JMO

[denjet]

Todd Macaluso on GMA
(article link)

Casey Anthony's Lawyers Want Charges Dropped (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/caylee-anthony-case-lawyers-charges-casey-anthony-dropped/story?id=8732077)

There is "not a single hair fiber, not a single fingerprint, not a single speck of DNA that anyway connects her to the crime scene or the scene where her daughter was found"

(can't find a video link yet)

[Barbara fl.]

I found it interesting that the lab keeps a file of all their lab tech's DNA, so they can rule in/out any mysterious results pronto. This tells me that it is a fairly common thing to have stray DNA show up on tested items. This worker was new and had not yet been tested - that's the only reason for the delay in discovering the origin of the mystery DNA.

Also in the lab's favor is the fact that *they* did due diligence in pinpointing the origin, and not waiting for the defense to get all twisted up about it.


I agree.....even most companies keep their employees finger prints on file so that when they may have a breakin or a robbery, they can easily exclude the workers prints....

If it was that easy for the lab just to pinpoint the suspect's dna...then it would be just as easy for the suspect to omit his own dna from the crime scene...The lab had a very hard job to do especially after all the evidence had been exposed to water, mud, animals etc....I think they did a wonderful job.....But the defense would argue anything at all that they think they got their hands on.....

Their pulling straws.....

[need2no]

New Caylee Anthony Evidence

Attorneys Baez and Macalouso-

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea


I can't wait to hear those compelling reasons for casey's actions after Caylee went 'missing'. Of course I do understand that Baez wants to try this case in court, not in the public arena. :rolleyes:

[martha]

As i said before, I believe that this happens more frequently than not (stray DNA) but THIS defense is making a big deal out of it because they know their client is guilty and they need anything to divert the attention from her.

JMOITA why would they let casey sit in jail if they had prove that she did not do this? that is crazy no one would sit in jail this long if they had prove she did not do it.Why do they want to keep putting the trial of? If her mom and dad had prove she had not done anything to Caylee they would be on every talk show demanding they have her trial and get her out. the mom and dad know what she has done and have known from the first as everyone elce knows that she did this. I know they or going to blame someone elce and I sure would hate to be any where close to them because it might be me they would blame. That is how crazy this case is. all I can say to the def. is get on with it and go to trial and put up or shut up. It just makes me sick to listen to them talk about no evid. They want this to go on for years so they can keep their name on the news and out in the public.jmho:wub:

[denjet]

Baez and Macaluso on The Early Show this morning:


New Caylee Anthony Evidence (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea)

New evidence shows that hairs found in the trunk of murder suspect Casey Anthony do not belong to her. Maggie Rodriguez spoke with Casey Anthony's lawyer Jose Baez

ETA: Guess I'm not fast enough ... n2n posted already

[Barbara fl.]

I sure hope Cindy and George arent jumping up and down with joy over this.....Casey is going to be convicted for sure....Casey is not going to get away with murdering her child.....Maybe Cindy and George have forgiven her, but the courts are not....

This "dream" team is so full of it...it is all their strategy...it works in some cases but it wont work here....It certainly didn't work for Scott Peterson either.....and all it did for PS was get him another trial where he was found "GUILTY"......And the only reason it worked (hung jury) for PS was because of his fame.....

Casey has no fame aside from being a cold blooded murderer, and that type of fame alone, will get her LWOP/DP....

[cassidy]

ITA why would they let casey sit in jail if they had prove that she did not do this? that is crazy no one would sit in jail this long if they had prove she did not do it.Why do they want to keep putting the trial of? If her mom and dad had prove she had not done anything to Caylee they would be on every talk show demanding they have her trial and get her out. the mom and dad know what she has done and have known from the first as everyone elce knows that she did this. I know they or going to blame someone elce and I sure would hate to be any where close to them because it might be me they would blame. That is how crazy this case is. all I can say to the def. is get on with it and go to trial and put up or shut up. It just makes me sick to listen to them talk about no evid. They want this to go on for years so they can keep their name on the news and out in the public.jmho:wub:

And that's the part that is crazy Martha. they keep telling us they have evidence that she didn't do it, yet she sits in jail day after day. If they could really clear her they would have done so by now. Or she will have one heck of a malpractice suit!

JMO

[Sun]

Does anything think that Casey will change her plea for the criminal check/fraud charges? I see not a single mention of this in the news, and with there appearing to be a delay in getting a date set for this criminal check/fraud trial, it's making me wonder.

[cassidy]

Just a thought here. If Jose keeps stating that the truth will come out in trial, why do they (the defense) keep doing everything in their power to delay the trial? Isn't that counterproductive for Casey?

JMO

[Spots]

Baez and Macaluso on The Early Show this morning:


New Caylee Anthony Evidence (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea)

New evidence shows that hairs found in the trunk of murder suspect Casey Anthony do not belong to her. Maggie Rodriguez spoke with Casey Anthony's lawyer Jose Baez

ETA: Guess I'm not fast enough ... n2n posted already

Gee - an 8-10 year old car has a few stray hairs. Who'd a thunk it? :rolleyes:

Lee drove it for years, he had friends in there with him (I assume), Casey had friends in there with her, she had TonE's garbage. I'd be more surprised if they did NOT find stray hairs.

[Barbara fl.]

New Caylee Anthony Evidence

Attorneys Baez and Macalouso-

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea


I can't wait to hear those compelling reasons for casey's actions after Caylee went 'missing'. Of course I do understand that Baez wants to try this case in court, not in the public arena. :rolleyes:


I just watched it...thanks for the link...

They both look like mutt and jeff.....What did they expect LE to do? A mother never reports her child missing, lies to LE over and over again...smell of decomp in car.....body found down the block.....tape wrapped around childs head to cut off air supply....blames it on a fake nanny....that she can not even produce a phone number for (not even an old number)...no one has ever laid eyes on such a person....But the state don't have reason to arrest? Are the for real?

Baez is just eating up all this publicity....:mad:

[Spots]

I sure hope Cindy and George arent jumping up and down with joy over this.....Casey is going to be convicted for sure....Casey is not going to get away with murdering her child.....Maybe Cindy and George have forgiven her, but the courts are not....

This "dream" team is so full of it...it is all their strategy...it works in some cases but it wont work here....It certainly didn't work for Scott Peterson either.....and all it did for PS was get him another trial where he was found "GUILTY"......And the only reason it worked (hung jury) for PS was because of his fame.....

Casey has no fame aside from being a cold blooded murderer, and that type of fame alone, will get her LWOP/DP....

And UNlike Spector, she will have to stay in jail while they schedule the second trial.

[Barbara fl.]

New Caylee Anthony Evidence

Attorneys Baez and Macalouso-

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea


I can't wait to hear those compelling reasons for casey's actions after Caylee went 'missing'. Of course I do understand that Baez wants to try this case in court, not in the public arena. :rolleyes:


Ha, if it wasn't for the public arena, none of them would have taken this case....Casey would be having to deal with legal aide.....

[cassidy]

I just watched it...thanks for the link...

They both look like mutt and jeff.....What did they expect LE to do? A mother never reports her child missing, lies to LE over and over again...smell of decomp in car.....body found down the block.....tape wrapped around childs head to cut off air supply....blames it on a fake nanny....that she can not even produce a phone number for (not even an old number)...no one has ever laid eyes on such a person....But the state don't have reason to arrest? Are the for real?

Baez is just eating up all this publicity....:mad:

He does look quite pleased with himself, doesn't he?

[adair]

Anyone.....they talk about the "crime scene" are they referring to where Caylee's body was found? Where exactly was this hair found?

That area being underwater for so long....it could be anyones hair...jmo.

I have to get to work, see you guys later tonight!!!

[denjet]

For those who can't watch the video (The Early Show)

Baez:
"to lay everything out in the courtroom not necessarily in the court of public opinion"

(In response to explaining the 31 days and her actions during them)

"we feel that Casey has a very compelling reason for her actions and we plan to lay them out at trial"

Macaluso: "what's important to know is Casey Anthony is innocent, she will be proven innocent ..."

Same ole, same ole ... why will they have to prove this at trial when they're so sure the case will be dismissed ... more mis-speak?

[cassidy]

For those who can't watch the video (The Early Show)

Baez:
"to lay everything out in the courtroom not necessarily in the court of public opinion"

(In response to explaining the 31 days and her actions during them)

"we feel that Casey has a very compelling reason for her actions and we plan to lay them out at trial"

Macaluso: "what's important to know is Casey Anthony is innocent, she will be proven innocent ..."

Same ole, same ole ... why will they have to prove this at trial when they're so sure the case will be dismissed ... more mis-speak?

Why don't they just lay the cards on the table and free her? I'd be real mad if I was sitting in jail so they could further their careers.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Just a thought here. If Jose keeps stating that the truth will come out in trial, why do they (the defense) keep doing everything in their power to delay the trial? Isn't that counterproductive for Casey?

JMO


The only way that this defense expects to win "a hung jury" is if they can get enough out to any potential jurors out there in hope that one weak link will fall for their BS....It's a ploy, their stradegy...they have NOTHING else.....they know this case is a lost case...and they are giving it all they have (which is nothing)....

[Barbara fl.]

He does look quite pleased with himself, doesn't he?


He looks like Dumbo....:laugh:

[cassidy]

He looks like Dumbo....:laugh:

LOL well yeah,,a pleased with himself Dumbo :)

[Barbara fl.]

And UNlike Spector, she will have to stay in jail while they schedule the second trial.


Exactly....and I bet she still will refuse to see her parents.....

[Barbara fl.]

The way I feel about their appearance....:lol:barf:punch:

[cassidy]

Exactly....and I bet she still will refuse to see her parents.....


you know, it's a wonder she isn't stir crazy. her age and locked up. :shrug:

[denjet]

New Caylee Anthony Evidence

Attorneys Baez and Macalouso-

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5357899n&tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea

I can't wait to hear those compelling reasons for casey's actions after Caylee went 'missing'. Of course I do understand that Baez wants to try this case in court, not in the public arena. :rolleyes:

You caught that too ... priceless ... their morning shows blitz was NOT to sway public opinion? ... they sure think the public is stupid ...

Even Baden on the Today Show said something about no hair with deathband ... WHHAATTT? so I guess the prosecution has no dump site evidence AND no trunk evidence ???

Guess they laid out their "proof" of Casey's innocence ... NOT :thumbdown:

[Barbara fl.]

you know, it's a wonder she isn't stir crazy. her age and locked up. :shrug:

Especially the way she loved her freedom...she loved it so much that she murdered her child for it...now look where is ....and will be there for the rest of her life...:thumbsup:

[Sun]

I just watched it...thanks for the link...

They both look like mutt and jeff.....What did they expect LE to do? A mother never reports her child missing, lies to LE over and over again...smell of decomp in car.....body found down the block.....tape wrapped around childs head to cut off air supply....blames it on a fake nanny....that she can not even produce a phone number for (not even an old number)...no one has ever laid eyes on such a person....But the state don't have reason to arrest? Are the for real?

Baez is just eating up all this publicity....:mad:

IMO, the defense and Cindy & George have contracted with several media outlets, and appear to be making national media appearances during the first week of every month. I see them in this for all the wrong reasons, and really question how this can be considered ethical behavior.

I think that the defense is scouring through the scientific discovery in hopes of finding enough that they can use and twist to their advantage. What seems to be missing is any discovery/evidence from the defense or Casey, that she "couldn't" have committed this crime. Remarks from witnesses that say that Casey was a good mom is about all they've come up with so far. (did they forget that stealing money, forging checks, smoking illegal substances, sleeping around with several guys, lying, etc. are not traits of a good mom?)

With what I've seen in the State's Discovery, the defense is going to need more to establish any reasonable doubt. (that's just my opinion, though).

[denjet]

Gee - an 8-10 year old car has a few stray hairs. Who'd a thunk it? :rolleyes:

Lee drove it for years, he had friends in there with him (I assume), Casey had friends in there with her, she had TonE's garbage. I'd be more surprised if they did NOT find stray hairs.

Hi Spots, exactly! I've thought about that and also dog hair ... hair just sticks to everything and gets carried everywhere ... I wouldn't be surprised if there were family member's hair in the trunk/car or dog hair ... seems pretty normal for that to happen ...

[Sun]

Why don't they just lay the cards on the table and free her? I'd be real mad if I was sitting in jail so they could further their careers.

JMO

It is because they are bluffing. And, I do think that we all know it too. Casey has sunk her own ship, by charting the course that the defense is taking. Remember, she's the captain. (oh wait, George said CEO) :unsure:

[5swab5]

you know, it's a wonder she isn't stir crazy. her age and locked up. :shrug:

Nah, she gets to spend 24/7 with the prettiest, smartest and most interesting person she knows. JMO
:barf:

[denjet]

I just watched it...thanks for the link...

They both look like mutt and jeff.....What did they expect LE to do? A mother never reports her child missing, lies to LE over and over again...smell of decomp in car.....body found down the block.....tape wrapped around childs head to cut off air supply....blames it on a fake nanny....that she can not even produce a phone number for (not even an old number)...no one has ever laid eyes on such a person....But the state don't have reason to arrest? Are the for real?

Baez is just eating up all this publicity....:mad:

Hi Barb, I was disappointed they didn't come up with different "compellling" reasons to explain the evidence ... sounded like the same garbage to me ...

I hope Strickland is paying attention to this ... and Baden had the gaul to speak about COV !! on National TV !! where do they the trial should be held ? the moon !! Maybe Miami doesn't get the morning news shows? :sneaky:
so they've got time to make the talk show circuit but keep delaying the trial and holding things up ... Stan I hope you're paying attention ...

[cassidy]

It is because they are bluffing. And, I do think that we all know it too. Casey has sunk her own ship, by charting the course that the defense is taking. Remember, she's the captain. (oh wait, George said CEO) :unsure:

I know they are bluffing but they sound real dumb bluffing. They need to quit and go prepare for trial. Get it done. And yeah I know that isn't going to happen.

[Sun]

I just checked the Clerk of Courts records, and so far no new entries since the last two motions that Lyon filed. Most of the time new entries show up later in the afternoon though.

[cassidy]

Hi Barb, I was disappointed they didn't come up with different "compellling" reasons to explain the evidence ... sounded like the same garbage to me ...

I hope Strickland is paying attention to this ... and Baden had the gaul to speak about COV !! on National TV !! where do they the trial should be held ? the moon !! Maybe Miami doesn't get the morning news shows? :sneaky:
so they've got time to make the talk show circuit but keep delaying the trial and holding things up ... Stan I hope you're paying attention ...

I hope so too.

[martha]

To me a car that old was to clean in the trunk. when we go on vac.we get sand in our trunk and we keep stuff in there that we might need if we have car trouble. everyone goes in that trunk for different reasons.Casey;s trunk was cleaned and very good by cindy and george.It is a wonder they even found anything in there.jmho:wub:

[KatieLady]

I am sorry guys...but I have missed so much the past few days. Is it true, like JB said, the duct tape on the gas can does not match the one on Caylee??? I thought it did :scared:

[denjet]

I know they are bluffing but they sound real dumb bluffing. They need to quit and go prepare for trial. Get it done. And yeah I know that isn't going to happen.

ya cass, didn't sound compelling to me and they outright lied about certain aspects ... for one thing they've been complaining the state is dragging their feet turning over discovery ... so if they don't have all the evidence yet, how can they be making these ridiculous statements that there is no evidence connecting KC to the crime ??

Geezze, Baden spends more time on talk shows than she does in the court room ... nooooo they're not trying to try the case in the court of public opinion ... yet we don't hear or see the state doing the same ...
:thumbdown:

[need2no]

you know, it's a wonder she isn't stir crazy. her age and locked up. :shrug:

I have to admit I frequently find myself wondering what goes through her mind, if she regrets her actions or just regrets getting arrested, if she misses Caylee at all, etc., and how she or anyone in this position keep their sanity. >but don't get me wrong, I don't have sympathy for her< Of course at this point casey is probably expecting to be released one day and sees this as a temporary situation to endure in the meantime. Perhaps that is what keeps casey, (and others awaiting their murder trials), from going off the deep end; hope. But what about once you have been sentenced to LWOP, or the death penalty, it's a whole new ballgame.

Here's 2 snippets from old articles about a day in the life of casey:


Casey can see out through a glass wall, but everyone else can see in.
"There is no privacy in jail," jail spokesman Allen Moore told Eyewitness News.

Casey's alone about 20 hours a day in her cell. She eats alone there. Monday it was cornflakes for breakfast, turkey hotdogs and beans for lunch, Salisbury steak and gravy and potatoes for dinner. She does get dessert three times a day if she wants.

Casey can have photographs on her shelf if she wants, but Eyewitness News was told there are no photographs, not even of Caylee.

"She reads, she sleeps," Moore said.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17764362/detail.html

Casey does have a window, of sorts -- her 12.5' x 7' cell has a floor-to-ceiling clear door made of Lexan, a clear polymer-like glass. She has zero privacy and never comes in contact with the other 652 inmates who also reside in the detention unit.


So how does Casey spend her time? Her schedule is strict. She has one hour a day to take a shower, sit in the dayroom and make collect calls from the jail phone. She can access books from a library cart to take back to her cell to read.


This link also includes a blueprint of casey's cell.

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/a_day_in_the_life_of_casey_ant.php

[bballgrl]

Ok, I listened to LKB and Baez this morning. It seems to me that they are protesting a bit too much about there not being enough forensic evidence.

...what they didn't say, is perhaps there is not enough forensic evidence for them to use (twist to their advantage) to be able to convince the jury that Casey "didn't" or "couldn't" have committed this crime. The defense will need to find something to create doubt. And, right now, I do not believe that they have anything.

What is that carp about a foreign hair at the crime scene? Isn't this a place where teenagers were known to "hang out". That hair could have belonged to anyone and had nothing to do with this crime. Sheesh - I can't stand to listen to that woman talk!!!

[Daffodil]

For those who can't watch the video (The Early Show)

Baez:
"to lay everything out in the courtroom not necessarily in the court of public opinion"

(In response to explaining the 31 days and her actions during them)

"we feel that Casey has a very compelling reason for her actions and we plan to lay them out at trial"

Macaluso: "what's important to know is Casey Anthony is innocent, she will be proven innocent ..."

Same ole, same ole ... why will they have to prove this at trial when they're so sure the case will be dismissed ... more mis-speak?


What jumped out at me was Jose's choice of words. We feelthat casey has........................

Why not "We know..." ror It will be presented in court"

You could just tell it is spin because it just doesn't sound genuine or passionate. Don't you think if they really had an innocent client, they would be more pizzed? Wouldn't they be shouting about injustice? It sort of like the Anthony's not being able to show any worry or concern for Caylee. JMO

Sorry, but I messed up the bolding!

[Sun]

http://www.dianefanning.com/mommyslittlegirlchapter.html

Read the first chapter. chuckles, guess whose appearance sounds a bit like a villan?

[bballgrl]

What jumped out at me was Jose's choice of words. We feelthat casey has........................

Why not "We know..." ror It will be presented in court"

You could just tell it is spin because it just doesn't sound genuine or passionate. Don't you think if they really had an innocent client, they would be more pizzed? Wouldn't they be shouting about injustice? It sort of like the Anthony's not being able to show any worry or concern for Caylee. JMO

Sorry, but I messed up the bolding!

What always baffles me is why he says: "Everyone will KNOW that Casey is inocent at trial. We'll prove it" (paraphrased) If they have proof that she is inocent, they would present it to the judge, the judge would have to drop all charges and Casey would be home right now... No, they are not as confident as they would like everyone to think! :tonguewag:

[denjet]

Summary of today's interviews at Orlando Sentinal .. scroll down to Hal Boedeker's topics ...

Casey Anthony's attorneys Jose Baez and Linda Kenney Baden took their defense of her to NBC's "Today" this morning. Baez and fellow defense attorney Todd Macaluso took their case to CBS' "Early Show."

The headline? You've probably heard it all before, but take your pick:

*** NBC's Matt Lauer asked what's the truth in the case. Anthony is charged with the first-degree murder of her daughter, Caylee.

"The truth will come out at trial -- should we get to that point," Baez said.

*** CBS' Maggie Rodriguez asked how the defense would explain Casey's behavior after the child went missing. Baez said the defense feels Casey has a "compelling reason" for her actions and that information would come out at trial.

*** Lauer asked why Anthony waited for a month to report her child was missing.

"People do stupid things all the time," Baden said. "You have to go by the hard evidence."

*** About that hard evidence ... On NBC, Baden said nothing connects Anthony to the crime scene. Baez said prosecutors lack the forensic evidence for first-degree-murder and aggravated-child-abuse charges.

On CBS, Macaluso said Anthony is innocent and will be proven innocent.

[summer]

To me all the defense is accomplishing, along with phantom Casey Anthony attorney Brad Conway, is the repetition and enforcement of the words DUCT TAPE. Doesn't matter what incidentals they say along with it - the words DUCT TAPE remain. Over and over again - DUCT TAPE.

Do they really want the public to remember DUCT TAPE? The disgusting image of DUCT TAPE on a baby?

If anyone didn't know about the DUCT TAPE they do now.

That's all they're accomplishing. Stupid.

[LadyHam]

Good morning everyone,

I agree, how can the defense ask for a COV when they are the very ones keeping this story in the media....Macaluso is an air head...infact, I think they all are...How can they possibly think that the state doesn't have evidence....First of all, all the circumstantial evidence IS evidence, when it all goes to only one possible senerio...There was less circumstantial evidence with Scott Peterson, and look where he is...

Like you said, all the defense is doing right now is throwing things out there for any potential jurors....they know they have a tough case here and they are using every low trick in the book to gain some publicity for themselves, in order to attract all the criminals (that have money)...

Casey murdering her child and "sticking to she is not guilty", fell right up their alley...If Casey had, at any time, pled guilty to a lesser charge, it would have blown all their minds and all but Baez would have walked away.....jmo

Bolding by me....

Exactly! The fact that she didn't report her daughter missing for 31 days, the fact that she lied about her daughter's whereabouts during and after the 31 days, the fact that she lied to LE about everything when they were trying to find her daughter, her demeanor (of not being concerned where Caylee was) is all evidence in this case. And that is what will probably convict her. A reasonable person on the jury is going to look at her not reporting her daughter missing and then all of her lies and then come to the conclusion that she did that so she could cover up the crime she committed. Add to that the evidence from the trunk and evidence from the crime scene and where the crime scene itself was located (just down the street from her parent's home) and I think the only conclusion that the jury can come to is that Casey is the one responsible for Caylee's murder.

[Scampi]

http://www.dianefanning.com/mommyslittlegirlchapter.html

Read the first chapter. chuckles, guess whose appearance sounds a bit like a villan?

Wow, the words just flow, I think Ms. Fanning has a good seller here. Interesting little factoid that george threw up at the impound lot.

[spiritwolf46]

ita. I think the prosecution needs to showcase the exact ways in which the accused and her family impeded the investigation into caylee's disappearance, thereby assuring degradation of forensic evidence in the event the baby was ever found at all.


post of the day!

[Sun]

Wow, the words just flow, I think Ms. Fanning has a good seller here. Interesting little factoid that george threw up at the impound lot.

From the way that Fanning described Cindy, I'm thinking that she will show competition/jealousy issues between Cindy and Casey.

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Barb, I was disappointed they didn't come up with different "compellling" reasons to explain the evidence ... sounded like the same garbage to me ...

I hope Strickland is paying attention to this ... and Baden had the gaul to speak about COV !! on National TV !! where do they the trial should be held ? the moon !! Maybe Miami doesn't get the morning news shows? :sneaky:
so they've got time to make the talk show circuit but keep delaying the trial and holding things up ... Stan I hope you're paying attention ...

The longer they delay the trial, the more publicity they can squeez out of this case....that's their whole objective...they could care less if Casey gets the DP right after the trial...every chance they get they are displaying their tactics publically....they get a name for themselves or add to thier high profile status....especially LKB, I suspect she will have her own show one day....

All of them on that side rushed into this case (where a 2 year old was murdered by her own mother) to capitalize on it...it's sickening....

[summer]

ITA. I think the prosecution needs to showcase the exact ways in which the accused and her family impeded the investigation into Caylee's disappearance, thereby assuring degradation of forensic evidence in the event the baby was ever found at all.

I agree. Even if the obstruction is not initially presented as deliberate - just stated as fact -- the trunk was cleaned, the pants were washed -- that will open doors for more examination of the deeds and if the defense tries to minimize the reasons for the degradation of the evidence that will open the doors wide to serious questioning of George and Cindy. The jury will get it when they see and hear these people. The jury will *get* who they are immediately.

[klock777]

I am sorry guys...but I have missed so much the past few days. Is it true, like JB said, the duct tape on the gas can does not match the one on Caylee??? I thought it did :scared:

Right- Why were we told that the duct tape matched to be off the same roll as the one at the house - NOT TRUE

Why were we told the hair found showed decomp - NOT TRUE

DNA does NOT match Casey.

NO Chloraform found in toxicolgy reports.

NG reports outline of child's body in trunk - read the Doc Drop - one person's opinion - the rest of the researchers couldn't see it. andtest show NO DNA
What else have we been fed that was not true?????

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding by me....

Exactly! The fact that she didn't report her daughter missing for 31 days, the fact that she lied about her daughter's whereabouts during and after the 31 days, the fact that she lied to LE about everything when they were trying to find her daughter, her demeanor (of not being concerned where Caylee was) is all evidence in this case. And that is what will probably convict her. A reasonable person on the jury is going to look at her not reporting her daughter missing and then all of her lies and then come to the conclusion that she did that so she could cover up the crime she committed. Add to that the evidence from the trunk and evidence from the crime scene and where the crime scene itself was located (just down the street from her parent's home) and I think the only conclusion that the jury can come to is that Casey is the one responsible for Caylee's murder.


Without a doubt.....The defense can say everything they want right now, it doesn't make a bit of difference....If the state can not prove that the tape was from the same roll, if the state can not prove it was Caylee's hair with the death band around it, if the stated inadvertently got finger prints on the tape from a lab tech, if the state can not prove (by photo) that Casey put Caylee's body there......will not make a bit of difference....because the defense will not be able to prove otherwise....and Casey was arrested for "murder one" prior to any of this being found.....

So, I want to ask the defense...What's your point? :biggrin:

[Scampi]

From the way that Fanning described Cindy, I'm thinking that she will show competition/jealousy issues between Cindy and Casey.

I think she will also make the connection of the anthony's money problems prior to this crime, cindy's overriding concern about the almighty dollar and that now, according to recent articles, both seem to be making money off this nightmare. imo.

[Scampi]

Right- Why were we told that the duct tape matched to be off the same roll as the one at the house - NOT TRUE

Why were we told the hair found showed decomp - NOT TRUE

DNA does NOT match Casey.

NO Chloraform found in toxicolgy reports.

NG reports outline of child's body in trunk - read the Doc Drop - one person's opinion - the rest of the researchers couldn't see it. andtest show NO DNA
What else have we been fed that was not true?????

Where are you getting that the disclosed information you mentioned isn't true? From the defense characterization of it? I wouldn't rush to judgement based on their statements, if I were you.

[Barbara fl.]

I am sorry guys...but I have missed so much the past few days. Is it true, like JB said, the duct tape on the gas can does not match the one on Caylee??? I thought it did :scared:

That's the defense talking....however, I don't see what difference that would make...so it came from a different roll....does that mean Casey is innocent? Not by a long shot.... All it would mean is that she had another roll of tape...(I keep about 4 rolls of duct tape in my garage) AND I purchased them at different times and different places....everytime I am out and see tape I forget that I have some at home and buy another.....

We have to keep in mind that the state had enough against Casey to charge her with murder one prior to any body even being found, moreless what kind of tape was used....

The finding of Caylee's remains shut up the Anthony family from insisting that Caylee was alive (which was there only hope to save Casey)...The body actually sealed the states case by being found....and just because the body showed no evidence that could be obtained, doesn't mean that Casey is any less guilty...The defense is pulling at straws because they have nothing else to pull at.....jmo

[Sun]

I think she will also make the connection of the anthony's money problems prior to this crime, cindy's overriding concern about the almighty dollar and that now, according to recent articles, both seem to be making money off this nightmare. imo.

I hope that Fanning points out that pics/videos of Caylee were indeed "sold" and where those funds likely went.

[klock777]

I heard a guest on HLN explain that it could have been something as simple as a piece of dead skin, an eyelash, or eyebrow hair. We've got 'stuff' falling off us all the time. They stated this was not unusual at all.
It made sense to me since the forensics people while they do wear gloves, they don't wear a bag over their head while leaning over and working with the potential evidence. Fortunately they took the tech's DNA and confirmed it was hers...a fact the defense seems to gloss over while they try to imply SODDI.

I thought it said 2 DNA was found none of Casey or Anthony's. One was proven to be the lab tech, but the other was still unknown.

[Dtviewer3]

[QUOTE=klock777;13525199]Right- Why were we told that the duct tape matched to be off the same roll as the one at the house - NOT TRUE
We dont know it doesnt match. Brad showed one report that said the fibers were not consistent. We dont know if that is because of the weather it was exposed to. We DO know for a fact that both pieces of tape had the same chemical composition, and both had the same writing on them. Pretty compelling evidence that they do in fact match.
Why were we told the hair found showed decomp - NOT TRUE
Nobody except a defense attorney said that it did not show decomp. The lab that tested it said it did, and the FBI said it was 'consistent' with showing decomp.

DNA does NOT match Casey.
They didnt find any DNA except some from a lab tech, and a small bit that was too small/degraded to match to anyone. After months in a swamp there was almost zero chance of finding decomp.
NO Chloraform found in toxicolgy reports.
As expected.

NG reports outline of child's body in trunk - read the Doc Drop - one person's opinion - the rest of the researchers couldn't see it. andtest show NO DNA
Other researchers DID see it. Dont know why you would state otherwise?
What else have we been fed that was not true?????
We havent been fed anything. The state has been very quiet. They release the evidence through the sunshine laws. The media is where you are getting 'fed' whatever it is you are ranting about. The State/LE have not been commenting.QUOTE]

Just thought I'd straighten out some of your 'facts'.

[klock777]

Where are you getting that the disclosed information you mentioned isn't true? From the defense characterization of it? I wouldn't rush to judgement based on their statements, if I were you.

I read the Doc dump.

[Scampi]

I thought it said 2 DNA was found none of Casey or Anthony's. One was proven to be the lab tech, but the other was still unknown.

Do you find it interesting that none of Caylee's dna was found either? Except for the skull and bones, no dna and that is because thats what happens after five months in a swamp, exposed to the elements and animal activity.

Who was responsible for that? casey marie anthony, imo.

[Sun]

I thought it said 2 DNA was found none of Casey or Anthony's. One was proven to be the lab tech, but the other was still unknown.

It was my understanding that the second DNA was badly degraded/fragmented. Do you realize that none of Caylee's own DNA was found on the duct tape? The elements that the duct tape was subjected to badly degraded any evidence that the duct tape may have once contained.

[Scampi]

I read the Doc dump.





There is a chemical analysis of the duct tape by the FBI that shows the two pieces of tape to be the same.

Also in the docs you will find an exam of Caylee's hair that shows a death band.

The Body Farm did testing of the air sample in the trunk which showed high levels of chloroform.

The outline of the child's body was revealed after light augmentation upon it. In other words, one cannot see it with the naked eye.

[Katprint]

I am sorry guys...but I have missed so much the past few days. Is it true, like JB said, the duct tape on the gas can does not match the one on Caylee??? I thought it did :scared:
Looks like it was the same rare brand/type but a different roll. You know how the rolls of duct tape, strapping tape, Scotch tape etc. come in multi-packs when you buy them at Costco? Well, apparently Casey used a different roll on Caylee than her dad had used on the gas can. The rolls were manufactured in the same batch so the chemical compositions were identical but the alignments of the fibers were very slightly different.

OTOH who knows whether there is some normal variation of fiber alignment within a single roll? I know that yardage on a bolt of fabric can vary; in fact, it is important to watch as they measure and cut it because sometimes two ends are sewn together within the bolt.

Why did the Anthonys put duct tape on their gas can, anyway? It seems like a dangerous way to fix a leaky gas can...

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[summer]

I like that the cover of Fanning's book has a pic of Casey and her shackled hands. If the cover just had a pic of Caylee it would've appeared more like a whodunit. Like oh, there's a dead baby and what happened here?

The cover speaks volumes about the feelings of Ms. Fanning.

[Barbara fl.]

IMO, the defense and Cindy & George have contracted with several media outlets, and appear to be making national media appearances during the first week of every month. I see them in this for all the wrong reasons, and really question how this can be considered ethical behavior.

I think that the defense is scouring through the scientific discovery in hopes of finding enough that they can use and twist to their advantage. What seems to be missing is any discovery/evidence from the defense or Casey, that she "couldn't" have committed this crime. Remarks from witnesses that say that Casey was a good mom is about all they've come up with so far. (did they forget that stealing money, forging checks, smoking illegal substances, sleeping around with several guys, lying, etc. are not traits of a good mom?)

With what I've seen in the State's Discovery, the defense is going to need more to establish any reasonable doubt. (that's just my opinion, though).


Knowng LKB, she is going to immediately say "it is the states job to prove my client is guilty" "It is not my clients responsibility to prove her innocence"....LKB will run that over and over to the jury....and she will repeatedly say "that the state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt"....She tries to fool the jurors (or the one lonely one)

I just hope that the judge reminds the jury that they do not have to reach a verdict "beyond any doubt whatsoever", but a reasonable doubt....

For some reason, the defense always feels that they do not have to prove their clients innocence....They just rely on the other side proving their case.....I can tell you this...it wont work here....If the defense can not produce Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales, they can forget it....

[Barbara fl.]

I think she will also make the connection of the anthony's money problems prior to this crime, cindy's overriding concern about the almighty dollar and that now, according to recent articles, both seem to be making money off this nightmare. imo.

So very true...and so very disgusting.....

[summer]

Looks like it was the same rare brand/type but a different roll. You know how the rolls of duct tape, strapping tape, Scotch tape etc. come in multi-packs when you buy them at Costco? Well, apparently Casey used a different roll on Caylee than her dad had used on the gas can. The rolls were manufactured in the same batch so the chemical compositions were identical but the alignments of the fibers were very slightly different.

Why did the Anthonys put duct tape on their gas can, anyway? It seems like a dangerous way to fix a leaky gas can...

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I've heard it said for "labeling" purposes. Like you really need to put a GAS label on a gas can? Must've been for a leak. Not smart.

[crimeq]

For those who can't watch the video (The Early Show)

Baez:
"to lay everything out in the courtroom not necessarily in the court of public opinion"

(In response to explaining the 31 days and her actions during them)

"we feel that Casey has a very compelling reason for her actions and we plan to lay them out at trial"

Macaluso: "what's important to know is Casey Anthony is innocent, she will be proven innocent ..."

Same ole, same ole ... why will they have to prove this at trial when they're so sure the case will be dismissed ... more mis-speak?

I believe Casey will be found guilty, but it does scare me when I hear her lawyers proclaiming her innocence nationally. :w00t:

[Scampi]

I caught that, too. And those prophetic words of Cindy's, "What died?"

Hi newbie!! One of the supreme moments to which I am looking forward, is for both george anthony and cynthia marie anthony to be confronted with all of their "helpful" statements. I look forward to a very combative set of parents on the stand, and hopefully the prosecutors can have each of them declared hostile witnesses.

[Sun]

Looks like it was the same rare brand/type but a different roll. You know how the rolls of duct tape, strapping tape, Scotch tape etc. come in multi-packs when you buy them at Costco? Well, apparently Casey used a different roll on Caylee than her dad had used on the gas can. The rolls were manufactured in the same batch so the chemical compositions were identical but the alignments of the fibers were very slightly different.

Why did the Anthonys put duct tape on their gas can, anyway? It seems like a dangerous way to fix a leaky gas can...
Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I don't think the duct tape was used to stop a leak. IIRC, it was placed over a "vent" on the topside of the can (safely type vent to equalize pressure).

[summer]

I read the Doc dump.

So did I. In my opinion the prosecution is going to wipe the floor with the defense in the courtroom. Can't wait for the trial.

[Scampi]

Looks like it was the same rare brand/type but a different roll. You know how the rolls of duct tape, strapping tape, Scotch tape etc. come in multi-packs when you buy them at Costco? Well, apparently Casey used a different roll on Caylee than her dad had used on the gas can. The rolls were manufactured in the same batch so the chemical compositions were identical but the alignments of the fibers were very slightly different.

Why did the Anthonys put duct tape on their gas can, anyway? It seems like a dangerous way to fix a leaky gas can...

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I don't think it was placed there to repair a hole, but rather to be able to label what kind of gas was in the can. He wrote on the duct tape, iirc.

[Barbara fl.]

I caught that, too. And those prophetic words of Cindy's, "What died?"

George also stated to LE that he was afraid that it may have been his daughter or granddaughter in there....yet he knew the car had been there for 2 weeks and that Cindy had talked to Casey during that time....so how could he have thought that it may have been his daughter in there? I think they (Cindy and George ) were already trying to change the scenerio......

[summer]

I don't think it was placed there to repair a hole, but rather to be able to label what kind of gas was in the can. He wrote on the duct tape, iirc.

Good point. I've never owned a gas can in my life so I forgot people might have more than one with needs for labeling.

[KatieLady]

Looks like it was the same rare brand/type but a different roll. You know how the rolls of duct tape, strapping tape, Scotch tape etc. come in multi-packs when you buy them at Costco? Well, apparently Casey used a different roll on Caylee than her dad had used on the gas can. The rolls were manufactured in the same batch so the chemical compositions were identical but the alignments of the fibers were very slightly different.

OTOH who knows whether there is some normal variation of fiber alignment within a single roll? I know that yardage on a bolt of fabric can vary; in fact, it is important to watch as they measure and cut it because sometimes two ends are sewn together within the bolt.

Why did the Anthonys put duct tape on their gas can, anyway? It seems like a dangerous way to fix a leaky gas can...

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thank you so much for the answer Kat! So it is not so devastating to the States case as JB would have the public think! :rolleyes:

[Spots]

Looks like it was the same rare brand/type but a different roll. You know how the rolls of duct tape, strapping tape, Scotch tape etc. come in multi-packs when you buy them at Costco? Well, apparently Casey used a different roll on Caylee than her dad had used on the gas can. The rolls were manufactured in the same batch so the chemical compositions were identical but the alignments of the fibers were very slightly different.

OTOH who knows whether there is some normal variation of fiber alignment within a single roll? I know that yardage on a bolt of fabric can vary; in fact, it is important to watch as they measure and cut it because sometimes two ends are sewn together within the bolt.

Why did the Anthonys put duct tape on their gas can, anyway? It seems like a dangerous way to fix a leaky gas can...

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

DH labels his gas cans, as different items require different fuel mixtures. Woe be unto me if I would put "mower" gasoline into the weedeater that takes a gas/oil mixture.