Wednesday, 9-30-09

[Kathlb]

Good morning everyone. Well yesterday's documents were very revealing and shocking too.

I can hardly describe how sick this all is. And I'm talking about Cindy Anthony and the vile people who are working with her. To attempt to accuse others of vile acts and ruin them while pinning the murder of little Caylee on them, to actually be looking for a live Caylee still when she cremated someone that wasn't Caylee in her mind. OMG, I am stunned. I always knew she was actively covering for Casey and obstructing justice and the facts, but this goes way beyond that.

I really feel that there is an abundance of material here to give the people she is targeting facts that show what she is doing and also give them the right to file a lawsuit on her. And I hope they do, all of them. This is diabolical. I have never seen anyone this evil and cold. If she targeted me, the sun would not set before I had filed a suit against her. I hope that now that these facts have come to light in the documents yesterday that the people she is attempting to ruin come forward in full force in the courts against her. She really has to be stopped. And if she targets any more children, their parents should immediately file suit on her also. And I am watching her with both eyes wide open and trained on her from this point forward! JMHO

[aproudmom]

Hi all I just got done reading the docs then had to search for this thread I thought it was shutdown for good or something...:confused:

[Kathlb]

I know, I couldn't hardly find it yesterday, it was clear at the bottom of the page.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! BConway said he will release evidence that raises "serious questions about the case" on Wednesday.


http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

[SoggyBayou]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html?cid=rss

"Sources: Duct Tape Evidence In Casey Case Doesn't Add Up"

Sorry if this is a repeat post.

[desmom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html?cid=rss

"Sources: Duct Tape Evidence In Casey Case Doesn't Add Up"

Sorry if this is a repeat post.

I was just reading the article. The article reports Brad Conway is expected to release evidence that will show the duct tape from the crime scene does not match the duct tape at the Anthony home and the hair on the duct tape does not belong to Casey or Caylee.

Huh? The duct tape at found attached to the skull and the hair is not Caylee's hair? :confused:

Duct Tape Analysis: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/4%20DUCKTAPE.pdf

DNA Analysis: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf

ETA ~ So the bones were Caylee's, but not the hair?

[SoggyBayou]

Hey des, I have not read the pdf;s you posted yet, tell is what it says, pretty please.

Odd Brad Conway is going to release more documents.
IMO

[Sun]

I was just reading the article. The article reports Brad Conway is expected to release evidence that will show the duct tape from the crime scene does not match the duct tape at the Anthony home and the hair on the duct tape does not belong to Casey or Caylee.

Huh? The duct tape at found attached to the skull and the hair is not Caylee's hair? :confused:

Duct Tape Analysis: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/4%20DUCKTAPE.pdf

DNA Analysis: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf

So far, the defense has been all blow and no show. And, BConway isn't an attorney representing Casey. Where is he getting his info from? Is it just something that "someone" has told him?

[desmom]

Hey des, I have not read the pdf;s you posted yet, tell is what it says, pretty please.

Odd Brad Conway is going to release more documents.
IMO

I have not really had a chance to sit down and read all of them, just did a quick scan yesterday.

I did find WFTV's report interesting: http://www.wftv.com/news/21146562/detail.html

One of the most bizarre revelations is that months after the Anthonys held Caylee's funeral service, Cindy still wanted her private investigator to search for a live Caylee, and Cindy and her private investigator exchanged possibly hundreds of emails concerning how they could dig up dirt about some of the key people in the case, including bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, meter reader Roy Kronk and Jesse and Richard Grund.

Each news site tends to post the docs differently. I am not sure if they post all of them. Here is WFTV's list of docs released yesterday:

Private Eye's "Characters of Interest" Chart
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147464/detail.html

FBI Writes About Stain In Shape Of Body
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21151220/detail.html

DNA Paternity Test For Jesse Grund
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147427/detail.html

Hundreds Of Pages From Private Eye D. Casey
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21148535/detail.html

FBI DNA Investigation, Other Reports
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

Henkel Duck Brand Tape Product Specs
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html

Annie Downing 01/06/09 Interview Transcript
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147471/detail.html

[cassidy]

So, do you all feel that Brad has become the spokesperson because AL has effectively muzzled Jose? Maybe they got him to talk so they can't be accused of stirring things up in the medai?

JMO

[desmom]

So far, the defense has been all blow and no show. And, BConway isn't an attorney representing Casey. Where is he getting his info from? Is it just something that "someone" has told him?

Expert's opinion or lay person's opinion?

jmo

[Sun]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-says-dna-mystery-could-be-big-break-for-defense.html

Tony Pipitone has spoken. Says everyone will be talking about it today, and that it will cast doubt. Pipitone revealed that a second piece of DNA was found on the duct tape on Caylee's skull. "Neither shows traces of Caylee's accused killer, her mother Casey," Pipitone said.

[SoggyBayou]

"Another document discusses the shovel found in the car driven by Casey. It says that tests show there was no blood or DNA present in the trunk and there was no DNA evidence that Casey had handled the shovel."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html?cid=rss

What? Did we miss this? A shovel was found in the car?

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/13-8804-8857%5B1%5D.pdf

Again, have not read the pdf. Slow internet connection.

[shellzbi]

Good Morning!

Gotta ask a couple questions then go back to just reading.

Why is Conway releasing docs for the defense?

Does he work with Baez and for the Anthony's ?

Been reading doc dump. Cindy Anthony IMO did not look for Caylee at all.

Cindy Anthony spent all her time on a computer or talking to the media.

I sure hope LE catches up with her and her cover up family soon.

Enjoy reading everyone on a daily basis.

[A.M.]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-says-dna-mystery-could-be-big-break-for-defense.html

Tony Pipitone has spoken. Says everyone will be talking about it today, and that it will cast doubt. Pipitone revealed that a second piece of DNA was found on the duct tape on Caylee's skull. "Neither shows traces of Caylee's accused killer, her mother Casey," Pipitone said.

This isn't news. We already know this!

[desmom]

"Another document discusses the shovel found in the car driven by Casey. It says that tests show there was no blood or DNA present in the trunk and there was no DNA evidence that Casey had handled the shovel."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html?cid=rss

What? Did we miss this? A shovel was found in the car?

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/13-8804-8857%5B1%5D.pdf

Again, have not read the pdf. Slow internet connection.

I have not read them all either, but I think the shovel is the shovel LE collected from Brian Burner..the same shovel Casey borrowed from Brian Burner per his interview with LE.

IMO, a reporter wrote the article that is not familiar with the evidence or the case.

[SoggyBayou]

So, do you all feel that Brad has become the spokesperson because AL has effectively muzzled Jose? Maybe they got him to talk so they can't be accused of stirring things up in the medai?

JMO

Yes and Yes
IMO

[Sun]

Want I really want to know, is how come neither a pre-trial or trial date has been set for the criminal check/fraud case. What is going on?!

Judge Strickland's ruling was filed with the Clerk of Courts on Sept 3. It is now Sept 30. My patience is wearing thin.

[SoggyBayou]

I have not read them all either, but I think the shovel is the shovel LE collected from Brian Burner..the same shovel Casey borrowed from Brian Burner per his interview with LE.

IMO, a reporter wrote the article that is not familiar with the evidence or the case.

Thanx,
Reported By Adam Longo,Jacqueline FellandScott Harris, wow, definitely NOT getting journalism of the month.

[Kathlb]

So far, the defense has been all blow and no show. And, BConway isn't an attorney representing Casey. Where is he getting his info from? Is it just something that "someone" has told him?

I feel that Brad has no say in this case and I can't understand why anyone is interested in his thoughts. He is not a lawyer for Casey, he is representing Cindy and George and I see no reason that they legitimately have a say in this case legally. Now if he wants to spread rumors or is helping them trash others, then he can do that until he is stopped. But as far as the case goes, they have no part in it. MOO

[SoggyBayou]

Good Morning!

Gotta ask a couple questions then go back to just reading.

Why is Conway releasing docs for the defense?

Does he work with Baez and for the Anthony's ?

Been reading doc dump. Cindy Anthony IMO did not look for Caylee at all.

Cindy Anthony spent all her time on a computer or talking to the media.

I sure hope LE catches up with her and her cover up family soon.

Enjoy reading everyone on a daily basis.

1. Trying the case in the media.
2. I think for both.
IMO

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone.

I agree with you Kath, the revelations yesterday about cindy and the lengths to which she will go are absolutley disgusting, imo.

Anyone caught in the crosshairs of her ridiculous accusations should run to John Morgan and hire him to file suit.

As for conway, I believe he is shilling for jose. He is releasing information that they believe makes the State appear as if they are
"hiding" something from the public. It's not right and it is incorrect, imo.

With conway doing the dirty work, the defense can waltz into court and whine about all the pretrial publicity that necessitates a change of venue, imo.

IMO, they are playing games and I hope it backfires on them big time.

[desmom]

We have all heard and seen tidbits the family has issues with some of the Orlando media. Since WESH was the lst to report Brad is going to release info, will WESH be the only media station to get the docs or will they be given to all?

Will Brad hold a presser before the "evidence" is released?

Will the courts, prosecution or defense have any comment on Brad releasing this "evidence" or Brad's involvement in the media circus?

jmo

[shellzbi]

1. Trying the case in the media.
2. I think for both.
IMO


Thank You. Back to just reading. Have a wonderful day.

[cassidy]

We have all heard and seen tidbits the family has issues with some of the Orlando media. Since WESH was the lst to report Brad is going to release info, will WESH be the only media station to get the docs or will they be given to all?

Will Brad hold a presser before the "evidence" is released?

Will the courts, prosecution or defense have any comment on Brad releasing this "evidence" or Brad's involvement in the media circus?

jmo

Brad has been hip-deep in the media circus since he picked up Cindy Anthony and George Anthony as clients. I have no respect for him at all.

JMO

[Scampi]

Hiya Des, I would bet the State, Mr. Ashton specifically, will have a response to bradley's actions today.

[hello its me]

We have all heard and seen tidbits the family has issues with some of the Orlando media. Since WESH was the lst to report Brad is going to release info, will WESH be the only media station to get the docs or will they be given to all?

Will Brad hold a presser before the "evidence" is released?

Will the courts, prosecution or defense have any comment on Brad releasing this "evidence" or Brad's involvement in the media circus?

jmo


Biggest question...will anyone ask him the tuff questions. I doubt it...unless Kathi Belich is there.

Morning!

[LadyHam]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html?cid=rss

"Sources: Duct Tape Evidence In Casey Case Doesn't Add Up"

Sorry if this is a repeat post.

Wow, the duct tape found at the crime scene doesn't match the duct tape found at the Anthony family home?:scared: I thought everything that the state was releasing up to this point was showing that the duct tape did match, or at least was very similar. I am very interested to see what information BC is going to release today. I am getting a little bit worried that Casey just may actually get out of this.:scared: I think that will be a miscarriage of justice of that happens.

[Bala]

I don't see how anything Brad has can be called evidence. Brad and Cindy have no standing in this case they are neither the defense or the prosecutor in this case and someone should tell them if they have real evidence they need to turn it over to LE or the State. If they have new evidence withheld by Cindy I hope the State steps in and finally charges her with withholding evidence in a criminal matter and obstruction of justice.

[Piratexox]

Biggest question...will anyone ask him the tuff questions. I doubt it...unless Kathi Belich is there.

Morning!

I agree. IIRC didn't BC say on LKL that there was no duct tape found at the scene?

[LadyHam]

I was just reading the article. The article reports Brad Conway is expected to release evidence that will show the duct tape from the crime scene does not match the duct tape at the Anthony home and the hair on the duct tape does not belong to Casey or Caylee.

Huh? The duct tape at found attached to the skull and the hair is not Caylee's hair? :confused:

Duct Tape Analysis: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/4%20DUCKTAPE.pdf

DNA Analysis: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf

ETA ~ So the bones were Caylee's, but not the hair?

I think they may mean that one stray hair was found on the duct tape that doesn't belong to either Casey or Caylee. It's possible that hair from one of the CSI's or lab technicians could have somehow gotten on the tape. Just like the DNA from the FBI lab worker was found on the tape. I know these people are human and they are not perfect, but any mistake, no matter how innocent, just can't happen in a case as important as this. It raises reasonable doubt.

[neid_77]

how are they going to get around the fact that their was a decomposing body in the back of casey trunk? so 4 human noses to cadavar dogs and the smell that was left in the car for so long is just a bunch of BS! of course we know Geroge and Cindy both have lied through their teeth about it....the science is right no matter what the defense team says...and so therefor WHO HAD CASEY'S CAR jessie? he had no conctact with her except the day she made contact with him!!!

is this case falling apart?

one more question why is an attorney who does not represent Casey Anthony releasing information today!?!? and where did he get it from?

why did she lie once if someone else had done this to Caylee

i suppose the water did a number on the DNA and physical evidence

[Myka]

We have all heard and seen tidbits the family has issues with some of the Orlando media. Since WESH was the lst to report Brad is going to release info, will WESH be the only media station to get the docs or will they be given to all?

Will Brad hold a presser before the "evidence" is released?

Will the courts, prosecution or defense have any comment on Brad releasing this "evidence" or Brad's involvement in the media circus?

jmo

ok, I have a question...if Hot Wheels Conway has "evidence", should he have turned it over to LE?

[jakee]

I think they may mean that one stray hair was found on the duct tape that doesn't belong to either Casey or Caylee. It's possible that hair from one of the CSI's or lab technicians could have somehow gotten on the tape. Just like the DNA from the FBI lab worker was found on the tape. I know these people are human and they are not perfect, but any mistake, no matter how innocent, just can't happen in a case as important as this. It raises reasonable doubt.

I am worried. grrrrrr And I thought we learned that the tape was so so so rare and it matched the so so so rare tape at the Anthony's home on the gas can? Needless to say, I am confused.

[LadyHam]

So far, the defense has been all blow and no show. And, BConway isn't an attorney representing Casey. Where is he getting his info from? Is it just something that "someone" has told him?

I wonder if it is information he got from JB? Perhaps they will think it will look better being released by BC rather than the defense team? :shrug:

[Kathlb]

I don't see how anything Brad has can be called evidence. Brad and Cindy have no standing in this case they are neither the defense or the prosecutor in this case and someone should tell them if they have real evidence they need to turn it over to LE or the State. If they have new evidence withheld by Cindy I hope the State steps in and finally charges her with withholding evidence in a criminal matter and obstruction of justice.

In my mind, it's all about contaminating the Jury pool. I'm anxious to hear LE's response if they do comment. I think the judge should institute a gag order all on his own for that reason. The fact that they are trying to contaminate the jury pool out there. You know that they don't want that...they want to be able to shout from the rooftops. MOO

[LadyHam]

So, do you all feel that Brad has become the spokesperson because AL has effectively muzzled Jose? Maybe they got him to talk so they can't be accused of stirring things up in the medai?

JMO

True, but many still consider BC part of the defense team because he is representing Casey's parents, whom from all accounts believe she is innocent and are trying to prove it. Whether it comes from JB or BC, it still seems that it comes from the defense side of things.

[minimarshm]

it comes as no surprise to me that the expert they're goingto quote wrote a book with Lawrence Kobilinsky

Forensic Dna Analysis( Series - Inside Forensic Science )(Library Binding - 2007/02/28)
by Lawrence Kobilinsky (Author), Henrietta Nunno (Author)

[Bala]

Anything Brad has came from Cindy and we all know how trustworthy Cindy is. Remember Brad was the one that said what was released in the doc dumps is not evidence so where does he get off saying what he has is evidence. Just more lies and half truths meant to poison the jury pool?

[LadyHam]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-says-dna-mystery-could-be-big-break-for-defense.html

Tony Pipitone has spoken. Says everyone will be talking about it today, and that it will cast doubt. Pipitone revealed that a second piece of DNA was found on the duct tape on Caylee's skull. "Neither shows traces of Caylee's accused killer, her mother Casey," Pipitone said.

Uh oh!:scared: This could be the reasonable doubt the defense is looking for.

[trich]

Biggest question...will anyone ask him the tuff questions. I doubt it...unless Kathi Belich is there.

Morning!

Yes ...too bad all journalists /reporters do not see fit to do their jobs
as well as Kathi.
She asks the questions most people want answered.
I really get annoyed when people being interviewed say something and
a reporter will not challange them or ask them to explain their statements.

[BettyC]

Whatever Brad Conways reasons, it seems he's being successful at deflecting what WAS released yesterday.

Many are talking about what he may release rather than all the despicable information we now know as facts about Cindy Anthony and Dominic Casey.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

[LadyHam]

This isn't news. We already know this!

No, they are saying that this is a second piece of DNA evidence.

[Myka]

Anything Brad has came from Cindy and we all know how trustworthy Cindy is. Remember Brad was the one that said what was released in the doc dumps is not evidence so where does he get off saying what he has is evidence. Just more lies and half truths meant to poison the jury pool?

though I agree with you and Kathlb about the jury pool, the fact still remains that the defense can not explain the 31 days. I notice that no one on the OC's side ever speaks about the 31 days......well, we had that lame "ugly coping" thing, but I doubt that flies with a jury.

[LadyHam]

Want I really want to know, is how come neither a pre-trial or trial date has been set for the criminal check/fraud case. What is going on?!

Judge Strickland's ruling was filed with the Clerk of Courts on Sept 3. It is now Sept 30. My patience is wearing thin.

I agree. I don't understand what the holdup is in setting the date for the fraud trial. Hopefully we will hear something soon. Like today.

[Sun]

I wonder if it is information he got from JB? Perhaps they will think it will look better being released by BC rather than the defense team? :shrug:

:shrug: It is hard for me to believe anything that BConway says, as he's been quite sneaky/tricky with words in the past. Makes me not trust him.

[LadyHam]

how are they going to get around the fact that their was a decomposing body in the back of casey trunk? so 4 human noses to cadavar dogs and the smell that was left in the car for so long is just a bunch of BS! of course we know Geroge and Cindy both have lied through their teeth about it....the science is right no matter what the defense team says...and so therefor WHO HAD CASEY'S CAR jessie? he had no conctact with her except the day she made contact with him!!!

is this case falling apart?

one more question why is an attorney who does not represent Casey Anthony releasing information today!?!? and where did he get it from?

why did she lie once if someone else had done this to Caylee

i suppose the water did a number on the DNA and physical evidence

Bolding mine....

So true. Caylee was left out in the elements for so long that anything that could possibly identify her killer was probably destroyed. I personally don't think the forensics from the crime scene is the most compelling evidence in the this case, it's the CE that is. Casey not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days, Casey's actions and lies during and after the 31 days, and the evidence from the trunk of her car. Even if nothing from the crime scene can connect Casey to this case, how can the evidence from the trunk be discounted?

[Sun]

Whatever Brad Conways reasons, it seems he's being successful at deflecting what WAS released yesterday.

Many are talking about what he may release rather than all the despicable information we now know as facts about Cindy Anthony and Dominic Casey.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

I do believe that you have made a very good point. Those emails between DCasey and Cindy are most likely what Cindy was made to turn over to the State earlier this year (when she appeared to be tardy in doing so).

[LadyHam]

I am worried. grrrrrr And I thought we learned that the tape was so so so rare and it matched the so so so rare tape at the Anthony's home on the gas can? Needless to say, I am confused.

I know. I am very confused about the tape as well. I guess we will just have to wait and see what information BC releases today. It's possible that it just states the tape is similar, but can't be definitively matched as being exactly the same.

[GIGI4256]

Bolding mine....

So true. Caylee was left out in the elements for so long that anything that could possibly identify her killer was probably destroyed. I personally don't think the forensics from the crime scene is the most compelling evidence in the this case, it's the CE that is. Casey not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days, Casey's actions and lies during and after the 31 days, and the evidence from the trunk of her car. Even if nothing from the crime scene can connect Casey to this case, how can the evidence from the trunk be discounted?

I'm worried!:unsure:

[BettyC]

New docs expected to be released at 11 am today.

The Anthony family’s attorney says he can prove that duct tape at the crime scene doesn’t match tape found at the Anthony home. New documents are expected at 11 a.m. today.

http://www.cfnews13.com/

eta: He's holding a press conference at 11 am.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-new-evidence-093009,0,1049758.story

[desmom]

Reading and trying to understand these reports: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

On page 279, the "Items from Medical Examiner's Office" is listed as: Q59 Hair mass; Q59.1 Five hair portions from Q59; Q59.2 Fifteen hair roots from Q59; Q60 Debris from skull; Q61 Tibia; Q62-Q64 Tape.

From page 353:

Q62/Q63/Q64-1 Tape
Packaged each inside one plastic sleeve, each open, labeled "...Q62...", "...Q63...", and "...Q64...". Three pieces of duct tape, with black powder throughout, worn with loosened strings and areas missing silver-coating, manufacturer's logo "...Henkel..." throughout, with pieces measuring 9.75 in x 2 in, 7.25 in x 2 in, and 8.75 in respectively.

Three pieces of tape measuring 9.75", 7.25" and 8.75" in length on Caylee's mouth? :mad:

ETA ~ So which piece was contaminated?

[LadyHam]

In my mind, it's all about contaminating the Jury pool. I'm anxious to hear LE's response if they do comment. I think the judge should institute a gag order all on his own for that reason. The fact that they are trying to contaminate the jury pool out there. You know that they don't want that...they want to be able to shout from the rooftops. MOO

Bolding by me....

Can the judge do that? As much as I what to hear everything about this case, I seriously almost want him to do that.

[Scampi]

I think conway is working lockstep with lyon and jose. They are attempting to pollute the jury pool. It will not work, imo, because
at the end of the day the only thing that matters, is what is presented to the jury, during the trial.

[hello its me]

Uh oh!:scared: This could be the reasonable doubt the defense is looking for.


Lets see what it is before we panic. Remember... this is Bozo, Conway and the Anthonys we are talking about. Mis-cue, Mis-direction, Mis-lead.

[seeing_eye]

how are they going to get around the fact that their was a decomposing body in the back of casey trunk? so 4 human noses to cadavar dogs and the smell that was left in the car for so long is just a bunch of BS! of course we know Geroge and Cindy both have lied through their teeth about it....the science is right no matter what the defense team says...and so therefor WHO HAD CASEY'S CAR jessie? he had no conctact with her except the day she made contact with him!!!

is this case falling apart?

one more question why is an attorney who does not represent Casey Anthony releasing information today!?!? and where did he get it from?

why did she lie once if someone else had done this to Caylee

i suppose the water did a number on the DNA and physical evidence

BBM

If I have to guess (and I think I have to at this point), I would guess Conway got his "evidence" from the spin doctor.

Spin doctor = Cynthia Marie Anthony aka Rosebud. MOO

[Piratexox]

I stand corrected. BC said the tape was not wrapped aroung Caylee's skull. We knew that. It was layered over her mouth and nose.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/14/lkl.george.cindy.anthony/index.html?iref=newssearch

[LadyHam]

I'm worried!:unsure:

I think we all are! I guess we just have to keep the faith that the prosecution knows what they are doing. If they didn't have the evidence, I have to strongly believe that they wouldn't have put the DP back on the table.

[desmom]

New docs expected to be released at 11 am today.

The Anthony family’s attorney says he can prove that duct tape at the crime scene doesn’t match tape found at the Anthony home. New documents are expected at 11 a.m. today.

http://www.cfnews13.com/

Let me guess, after the information came out the Henkel logo imprinted duct tape at the crime scene and the Henkel logo imprinted duct tape on the gas can found in the Anthony's shed came out in the media, several people in the Orlando area contacted JB or BC and told them they had Henkel duct tape in the garage/shed also?

imo

[Sun]

Bolding mine....

So true. Caylee was left out in the elements for so long that anything that could possibly identify her killer was probably destroyed. I personally don't think the forensics from the crime scene is the most compelling evidence in the this case, it's the CE that is. Casey not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days, Casey's actions and lies during and after the 31 days, and the evidence from the trunk of her car. Even if nothing from the crime scene can connect Casey to this case, how can the evidence from the trunk be discounted?

The fact that Casey appeared to have told friends that Caylee was "with the nanny" does it for me. And fleeing from her home, lying to Cindy during that time. And, then continuing to tell those same lies to LE. ....no doubt in my mind that she was involved in Caylee's death. No doubt in my mind that Casey was unnaturally jealous of Caylee.

[Sun]

New docs expected to be released at 11 am today.

The Anthony family’s attorney says he can prove that duct tape at the crime scene doesn’t match tape found at the Anthony home. New documents are expected at 11 a.m. today.

http://www.cfnews13.com/

eta: He's holding a press conference at 11 am.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-new-evidence-093009,0,1049758.story


This could easily be BConway "playing" with words. Did he say "found on the gas can?" Perhaps I should have an open mind, but BConway appears to like to distract by carefully wording things to make them appear to support whatever Cindy and George want.

[LadyHam]

This could easily be BConway "playing" with words. Did he say "found on the gas can?" Perhaps I should have an open mind, but BConway appears to like to distract by carefully wording things to make them appear to support whatever Cindy and George want.

So true. I guess we have to wait until BC holds his press conference to decide if we need to start worrying or not.:unsure:

[cassidy]

So true. I guess we have to wait until BC holds his press conference to decide if we need to start worrying or not.:unsure:


That's probably a good idea. he has a way of spinning things.

JMO

[seeing_eye]

This could easily be BConway "playing" with words. Did he say "found on the gas can?" Perhaps I should have an open mind, but BConway appears to like to distract by carefully wording things to make them appear to support whatever Cindy and George want.

I think it's quite possible Conway is going to produce a roll of tape that was/is in the Anthony home that does NOT have the henkel brand on it, thereby insisting that the tape does not match the tape found around Caylee's skull. (He will conveniently forget about the tape on the gas cans.)

[Scampi]

bradley cannot state for a certainty that the tape WAS NOT wrapped around that skull. The fact is no one really knows. However, imo, the State can make a very good case that it was because of the length and the fact that it was still stuck to the hair at the mouth area, holding the mandible in place after five months in a swamp.

[Scampi]

This could easily be BConway "playing" with words. Did he say "found on the gas can?" Perhaps I should have an open mind, but BConway appears to like to distract by carefully wording things to make them appear to support whatever Cindy and George want.

When listening to brad, it's a very good idea to notice what he is not saying, as well as to what he is. He uses semantics to spin and twist the facts, imo.

[Sun]

When listening to brad, it's a very good idea to notice what he is not saying, as well as to what he is. He uses semantics to spin and twist the facts, imo.

Yes, exactly!

[Dunlurken]

I am worried. grrrrrr And I thought we learned that the tape was so so so rare and it matched the so so so rare tape at the Anthony's home on the gas can? Needless to say, I am confused.

I think we can thank the media for all this "spin". I have always said don't believe everything you read in newsprint.

Morning all.

[Dunlurken]

bradley cannot state for a certainty that the tape WAS NOT wrapped around that skull. The fact is no one really knows. However, imo, the State can make a very good case that it was because of the length and the fact that it was still stuck to the hair at the mouth area, holding the mandible in place after five months in a swamp.

The autopsy results were released, weren't they? :confused:

[Kathlb]

Bolding by me....

Can the judge do that? As much as I what to hear everything about this case, I seriously almost want him to do that.

I will defer to our legal experts on here, but I believe he can if he sees that things are getting out of hand with people putting out things that may contaminate the jury pool. He is charged with not only hearing the case, but protection of the case which so far other than denying the defense' gag order, he has done very well. I sure hope he will do that soon. MOO

[Spots]

Good morning!

I know this is a bit Old News, but here's Sprocket's take on the Prosecution's reply to the many Defense motions of last week. Scroll down a bit.

Sprocket's Blog (http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/)

Nothing that hasn't been discussed, but she says it so well.

[seeing_eye]

I will defer to our legal experts on here, but I believe he can if he sees that things are getting out of hand with people putting out things that may contaminate the jury pool. He is charged with not only hearing the case, but protection of the case which so far other than denying the defense' gag order, he has done very well. I sure hope he will do that soon. MOO

The defense wanted a gag order? :confused:

[cassidy]

The defense wanted a gag order? :confused:

NO, the defense didn't want a gag order, they opposed it.

[Kathlb]

NO, the defense didn't want a gag order, they opposed it.

Sorry, brain stupidity here this morning. I need more coffee. ;-)

[seeing_eye]

Sorry, brain stupidity here this morning. I need more coffee. ;-)

That's all right, Kath. I have that every morning too, but especially in the afternoons, evenings and night too (unless I'm sleeping).

[LadyHam]

NO, the defense didn't want a gag order, they opposed it.

The prosecution are the ones that wanted the gag order. The defense argued against it.

[Mimzie]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/09/30/ng.tot.mom.trunk.photo.cnn

[Kathlb]

That's all right, Kath. I have that every morning too, but especially in the afternoons, evenings and night too (unless I'm sleeping).

LOL Glad to hear I'm not alone. :thumbsup:

[seeing_eye]

The prosecution are the ones that wanted the gag order. The defense argued against it.

And the prosecution has pretty much kept themselves "gagged," but the defense has stupidly (IMO) run their mouth considerably until Lyon came on board and reigned them in (again IMO). Which is probably why Conway now has to speak for them.

[Kathlb]

And the prosecution has pretty much kept themselves "gagged," but the defense has stupidly (IMO) run their mouth considerably until Lyon came on board and reigned them in (again IMO). Which is probably why Conway now has to speak for them.

Let's hope he catches her wrath soon too.

[desmom]

This could easily be BConway "playing" with words. Did he say "found on the gas can?" Perhaps I should have an open mind, but BConway appears to like to distract by carefully wording things to make them appear to support whatever Cindy and George want.

I think he will play on the email on page 548 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

"and advised of my results (and advised that I can't say absolutely that the hair came fom a dead body but is consistent...) Also that this hair is microscopically similar to the hair from the hair brush (f/the victim) and different from the mom's known."

The date of this email is August 1, 2008 12:01 p.m. Later that day (page 549), at 3:59 p.m., she asked for the vacuumings of the car and/or the whole carpet.

I did not see any additional reports re additional testing on hairs found in the trunk . I wish these reports were grouped by subject matter and not in chronological order.

On page 544, is an email dated 7/29/08.

"Just learned that FDLE is analyzing some carpet removed from the trunk of the grandmother's car..looking for body fluids..."

Question: Did LE take samples of the trunk of Cindy's car or are they referring to Casey's car as the grandmother's car because the car is registered in Cindy's name? TIA

[seeing_eye]

I think he will play on the email on page 548 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

"and advised of my results (and advised that I can't say absolutely that the hair came fom a dead body but is consistent...) Also that this hair is microscopically similar to the hair from the hair brush (f/the victim) and different from the mom's known."

The date of this email is August 1, 2008 12:01 p.m. Later that day (page 549), at 3:59 p.m., she asked for the vacuumings of the car and/or the whole carpet.

I did not see any additional reports re additional testing on hairs found in the trunk . I wish these reports were grouped by subject matter and not in chronological order.

On page 544, is an email dated 7/29/08.

"Just learned that FDLE is analyzing some carpet removed from the trunk of the grandmother's car..looking for body fluids..."

Question: Did LE take samples of the trunk of Cindy's car or are they referring to Casey's car as the grandmother's car because the car is registered in Cindy's name? TIA

BBM

I think they were just covering all their bases and checked Cindy's car for evidence of decomp as in "you never know."

[desmom]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-says-dna-mystery-could-be-big-break-for-defense.html

Tony Pipitone has spoken. Says everyone will be talking about it today, and that it will cast doubt. Pipitone revealed that a second piece of DNA was found on the duct tape on Caylee's skull. "Neither shows traces of Caylee's accused killer, her mother Casey," Pipitone said.


but, but doesn't the docs show the DNA was identified?

Oops I see, I missed this: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.

[Another Rose]

JMO - It's also possible that the "non match" for the duct tape is the result of the defense independent testing. Perhaps they have given those results to the prosecution and the prosecution did not release it in the latest dump.

I know one of the FBI evidence reports stated that the crime scene tape was similar to the tape recovered from the house - I just can't find that particular report - still looking.

[Another Rose]

I think he will play on the email on page 548 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

"and advised of my results (and advised that I can't say absolutely that the hair came fom a dead body but is consistent...) Also that this hair is microscopically similar to the hair from the hair brush (f/the victim) and different from the mom's known."

The date of this email is August 1, 2008 12:01 p.m. Later that day (page 549), at 3:59 p.m., she asked for the vacuumings of the car and/or the whole carpet.

I did not see any additional reports re additional testing on hairs found in the trunk . I wish these reports were grouped by subject matter and not in chronological order.

On page 544, is an email dated 7/29/08.

"Just learned that FDLE is analyzing some carpet removed from the trunk of the grandmother's car..looking for body fluids..."

Question: Did LE take samples of the trunk of Cindy's car or are they referring to Casey's car as the grandmother's car because the car is registered in Cindy's name? TIA

They are referring to Casey's car.

[denjet]

Morning all!
My take on the hair on the duct tape that didn't belong to Caylee or KC is that the lab was being thorough, didn't Dr. G say the tape had Caylee's hair caught up in it ? So the defense will pounce on this as either being from the "real" killer or shoddy testing ... I would be surprised to NOT find other hairs, fibers, whatever in the trunk that may have stuck to the tape .. so there WAS duct tape and it WAS across Caylee's mouth and it WAS wrapped around enough of her skull to catch her hair and hold her jaw in place through the decaying process ... let the defense dispute that!

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone. Well yesterday's documents were very revealing and shocking too.

I can hardly describe how sick this all is. And I'm talking about Cindy Anthony and the vile people who are working with her. To attempt to accuse others of vile acts and ruin them while pinning the murder of little Caylee on them, to actually be looking for a live Caylee still when she cremated someone that wasn't Caylee in her mind. OMG, I am stunned. I always knew she was actively covering for Casey and obstructing justice and the facts, but this goes way beyond that.

I really feel that there is an abundance of material here to give the people she is targeting facts that show what she is doing and also give them the right to file a lawsuit on her. And I hope they do, all of them. This is diabolical. I have never seen anyone this evil and cold. If she targeted me, the sun would not set before I had filed a suit against her. I hope that now that these facts have come to light in the documents yesterday that the people she is attempting to ruin come forward in full force in the courts against her. She really has to be stopped. And if she targets any more children, their parents should immediately file suit on her also. And I am watching her with both eyes wide open and trained on her from this point forward! JMHO


Good morning everyone,

I too, couldn't believe what I heard....this woman will go to any lengths at all to try and get her daughter off of muder...She doesn't care who she hurts trying to do it...

I guess Cindy thinks that all these forensic scientists that the defense team has will argue to say that it can not be proven that this is Caylee's remains (wishful thinking for Cindy)...She knows good and well that the remains are Caylee's, and she knows good and well her daughter murdered Caylee....

And her daughter Casey is going to pay for it...so she can try any trick she thinks she has up her sleeve, but it's not going to work....


I wonder when we will get the doc's from the defense...they too have to show their defense eventually....If they can come up with one..

[Jen]

ok, I have a question...if Hot Wheels Conway has "evidence", should he have turned it over to LE?

Hot Wheels Conway that's the funniest dang thing EVER! (high five) :laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Morning all!
My take on the hair on the duct tape that didn't belong to Caylee or KC is that the lab was being thorough, didn't Dr. G say the tape had Caylee's hair caught up in it ? So the defense will pounce on this as either being from the "real" killer or shoddy testing ... I would be surprised to NOT find other hairs, fibers, whatever in the trunk that may have stuck to the tape .. so there WAS duct tape and it WAS across Caylee's mouth and it WAS wrapped around enough of her skull to catch her hair and hold her jaw in place through the decaying process ... let the defense dispute that!

I thought they already established that it was a tech at the lab...But I totally agree, that not ONLY Caylee's hair would be found in the trunk...there is always transfer on any evidence...that is why they rule some evidence out....

There is no doubt that Caylee is deceased....and there is plainly no doubt who murdered her...The defense is the one that has the uphill battle....that they will lose....

[Tia]

Good morning everyone. Well yesterday's documents were very revealing and shocking too.

I can hardly describe how sick this all is. And I'm talking about Cindy Anthony and the vile people who are working with her. To attempt to accuse others of vile acts and ruin them while pinning the murder of little Caylee on them, to actually be looking for a live Caylee still when she cremated someone that wasn't Caylee in her mind. OMG, I am stunned. I always knew she was actively covering for Casey and obstructing justice and the facts, but this goes way beyond that.

I really feel that there is an abundance of material here to give the people she is targeting facts that show what she is doing and also give them the right to file a lawsuit on her. And I hope they do, all of them. This is diabolical. I have never seen anyone this evil and cold. If she targeted me, the sun would not set before I had filed a suit against her. I hope that now that these facts have come to light in the documents yesterday that the people she is attempting to ruin come forward in full force in the courts against her. She really has to be stopped. And if she targets any more children, their parents should immediately file suit on her also. And I am watching her with both eyes wide open and trained on her from this point forward! JMHO

Excellent post. You have captured exactly how I feel.

I will be not be surprised to see George, Cindy or Lee wind up behind bars.

[seeing_eye]

They are referring to Casey's car.

How do you know that?

[LadyHam]

Regardless of the forensics evidence that may or not be presented at trial, the most compelling piece of evidence to me is the fact that Casey did not report her 2 year old daughter missing for 31 days. I see no way around that. I also see no way around Casey's actions, demeanor, and lies during and after that 31 day period of time. If Casey is innocent, then why can't she or won't she tell them what happened to Caylee and how she got out of her mother's possession? I think the 31 days coupled w/multiple other pieces of this puzzle, will be more than enough to convict Casey once this case goes to trial.

[cassidy]

Let's hope he catches her wrath soon too.


he's not working with her, she can't muzzle him.

JMO

[LadyHam]

Good morning everyone,

I too, couldn't believe what I heard....this woman will go to any lengths at all to try and get her daughter off of muder...She doesn't care who she hurts trying to do it...

I guess Cindy thinks that all these forensic scientists that the defense team has will argue to say that it can not be proven that this is Caylee's remains (wishful thinking for Cindy)...She knows good and well that the remains are Caylee's, and she knows good and well her daughter murdered Caylee....

And her daughter Casey is going to pay for it...so she can try any trick she thinks she has up her sleeve, but it's not going to work....


I wonder when we will get the doc's from the defense...they too have to show their defense eventually....If they can come up with one..

Bolding by me.....

I think the defense's defense is going to be disputing any and all evidence that the prosecution presents at trial. They are already starting now w/the news that DNA/hair that doesn't match Casey or Caylee was found on the duct tape. I also think BC's press conference today where he will turn over evidence that the duct tape found w/Caylee's remains does not match the duct tape found at the Anthony family home is another strategy the defense will use. They will do whatever they can to create reasonable doubt.

[Sun]

Regardless of the forensics evidence that may or not be presented at trial, the most compelling piece of evidence to me is the fact that Casey did not report her 2 year old daughter missing for 31 days. I see no way around that. I also see no way around Casey's actions, demeanor, and lies during and after that 31 day period of time. If Casey is innocent, then why can't she or won't she tell them what happened to Caylee and how she got out of her mother's possession? I think the 31 days coupled w/multiple other pieces of this puzzle, will be more than enough to convict Casey once this case goes to trial.

ITA. Casey sure was quick to dial 911 when she wanted the protestors arrested. ....yet didn't dial 911 in regards to Caylee.

[cassidy]

Regardless of the forensics evidence that may or not be presented at trial, the most compelling piece of evidence to me is the fact that Casey did not report her 2 year old daughter missing for 31 days. I see no way around that. I also see no way around Casey's actions, demeanor, and lies during and after that 31 day period of time. If Casey is innocent, then why can't she or won't she tell them what happened to Caylee and how she got out of her mother's possession? I think the 31 days coupled w/multiple other pieces of this puzzle, will be more than enough to convict Casey once this case goes to trial.


Exactly. The defense is throwing out all they can to deflect from that. But the bottom line is, they have no feasible explaination for the 31 days or the smell of decomp in the trunk. Those things are what will send Casey away.

IMO

[cassidy]

ITA. Casey sure was quick to dial 911 when she wanted the protestors arrested. ....yet didn't dial 911 in regards to Caylee.

Didn't someone say she was afraid of the cops? That's why she didn't call for Caylee?

[~live4love~]

Regardless of the forensics evidence that may or not be presented at trial, the most compelling piece of evidence to me is the fact that Casey did not report her 2 year old daughter missing for 31 days. I see no way around that. I also see no way around Casey's actions, demeanor, and lies during and after that 31 day period of time. If Casey is innocent, then why can't she or won't she tell them what happened to Caylee and how she got out of her mother's possession? I think the 31 days coupled w/multiple other pieces of this puzzle, will be more than enough to convict Casey once this case goes to trial.


You are absolutley right. The eveidence is overwhelming...she will be convicted IMO !

L4L

[SoggyBayou]

I think he will play on the email on page 548 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

"and advised of my results (and advised that I can't say absolutely that the hair came fom a dead body but is consistent...) Also that this hair is microscopically similar to the hair from the hair brush (f/the victim) and different from the mom's known."

The date of this email is August 1, 2008 12:01 p.m. Later that day (page 549), at 3:59 p.m., she asked for the vacuumings of the car and/or the whole carpet.

I did not see any additional reports re additional testing on hairs found in the trunk . I wish these reports were grouped by subject matter and not in chronological order.

On page 544, is an email dated 7/29/08.

"Just learned that FDLE is analyzing some carpet removed from the trunk of the grandmother's car..looking for body fluids..."

Question: Did LE take samples of the trunk of Cindy's car or are they referring to Casey's car as the grandmother's car because the car is registered in Cindy's name? TIA

Other reports about the ponitiac were referred as Casey's car, but I do not remember a warrant for Cindy's car. Unless, didn't George and Cindy get a new SUV? Maybe they analyzed the trade in.
Tony Lazaro's Jeep was also searched but he consented.
IMO

[LadyHam]

ITA. Casey sure was quick to dial 911 when she wanted the protestors arrested. ....yet didn't dial 911 in regards to Caylee.

So true!

I also just don't buy that Casey isn't talking because she is still protecting Caylee and she is worried about her safety and the safety of her family if she tells all she knows now. Caylee is deceased, so there unfortunately is no way to help her now. Also, Casey's life is being threatened w/the DP being put back on the table. If there ever was a time or opportunity for her to talk and tell the truth about what she knows, the time is definitely now.

[denjet]

This could easily be BConway "playing" with words. Did he say "found on the gas can?" Perhaps I should have an open mind, but BConway appears to like to distract by carefully wording things to make them appear to support whatever Cindy and George want.
No you're exactly right, Sun ... Brad also said there was no duct tape "wrapped around" the skull ... spin, pure spin ... Dr G didn't say that it was wrapped entirely around the skull ... just bull in my book ... let them try to refute the autopsy and crime scene photos of the remains!
The evidence on the duct tape so far is that it was "similar" to the tape found in the Anthonys home ... not sure if that includes the tape on the gas can ...

[Katt2]

Didn't someone say she was afraid of the cops? That's why she didn't call for Caylee?

How afraid could she have been of the police? She chose to sleep with some of them.

[apothecary]

Those are long pieces of tape and would certainly go around most of Caylee's skull .Maybe not entirely around it but way past the ears at least.Three pieces of industrial strength tape to boot.

[trich]

Didn't someone say she was afraid of the cops? That's why she didn't call for Caylee?

Supposedly she did not trust the cops but then why all of a sudden did
she trust them enough to call them when the protesters were out there?

It does not fly.

[Another Rose]

How do you know that?

Because the FBI refers to the pontiac as "the grandmother's" car. i.e. "the car was registered to the grandmother but used by the mom" (handwritten page 8907, yesterday's dump).

Also, "FDLE is analyzing some carpet removed from the trunk of the grandmother's car .... looking for body fluids". As this was on July 29 and the pontiac was the only car in the possession of the FDLE it can only be the pontiac. (handwritten pg 8903)

There is also no evidence forms to date saying that anything was collected from Cindy's SUV.

[Tia]

Exactly. The defense is throwing out all they can to deflect from that. But the bottom line is, they have no feasible explaination for the 31 days or the smell of decomp in the trunk. Those things are what will send Casey away.

IMO

I truly don't believe Casey has any chance of ever being a free woman.

No one will be able to explain away the 31 days.

[LadyHam]

Exactly. The defense is throwing out all they can to deflect from that. But the bottom line is, they have no feasible explaination for the 31 days or the smell of decomp in the trunk. Those things are what will send Casey away.

IMO

So true! And I think the fact that Casey didn't report Caylee missing for 31 days will be one of the first pieces of evidence that the jurors hear at trial. It will have a huge impact. No matter what else is presented after that, it will weigh very heavy on the jurors minds.

[Barbara fl.]

My opinion on wht the defense is going to use...The hair with th death band can not be scientically determined to be Caylee's....The odor in the car can not be scientifically proven to be decomp....The stain in the car can not be scientifically proven to be that of decomp....

There is a Zenaida Gonzales out there and just because LE couldn't locate her doesn't mean she doesn't exist...There are alot of people who could have committed this crime and the will give a reason for each and everyone one of Casey's friends...That LE rushed to judgement....that Casey is a loving mother and always has been...

But ALL that will not make a bit of difference....the jury will not be able to get past those 31 days of not reporting her daughter missing (what loving mom would do that?)...The jury will not be able to get past Casey actions while her daughter was "missing"....and the jury will not be able to get past....Casey leading LE in all different directions and lying to them while they were trying to find her daughter....

Cindy will not be able to retract her statement "it smells like there's a dead damn body in the car"...George will not be able to retract "I'll be honest with you guys, I know that smell, it's a smell you don't forget"....They both will not be able to retract stating that Casey is a liar/"mistruths"......

There is just no way, any defense will be a defense....there is just no defense here....but LKB will throw in her "scientific evidence doesn't lie" (even though there is NO scientific evidence that can prove her client is innocent), but she will throw it to the juror's in hope of reaching that ONE weak link.....JMO

[jakee]

How afraid could she have been of the police? She chose to sleep with some of them.

:laugh: Oh man, so true.

[LadyHam]

Those are long pieces of tape and would certainly go around most of Caylee's skull .Maybe not entirely around it but way past the ears at least.Three pieces of industrial strength tape to boot.

That paints a very disturbing image.:crying:

[denjet]

Whatever Brad Conways reasons, it seems he's being successful at deflecting what WAS released yesterday.

Many are talking about what he may release rather than all the despicable information we now know as facts about Cindy Anthony and Dominic Casey.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Hi Bett! My thoughts exactly ... first a page from the reports is "leaked" to the press (WESH) prior to the dump and now Brad with his separate release is announced (WESH) after the dump ... see a pattern here?
I call it the walnut shell and pea trick ... watch my hands ...

[Barbara fl.]

Those are long pieces of tape and would certainly go around most of Caylee's skull .Maybe not entirely around it but way past the ears at least.Three pieces of industrial strength tape to boot.


For sure, Casey was making sure that Caylee would die....when you tape all area's of air supply, what else would one expect? Casey can not even be classified as an animal....because not even an animal would do that...

And after reading those docs and listening to the NG show last night...that apple didn't fall too far from the tree...Cindy should be sitting next to her daughter in jail....

[Sun]

No you're exactly right, Sun ... Brad also said there was no duct tape "wrapped around" the skull ... spin, pure spin ... Dr G didn't say that it was wrapped entirely around the skull ... just bull in my book ... let them try to refute the autopsy and crime scene photos of the remains!
The evidence on the duct tape so far is that it was "similar" to the tape found in the Anthonys home ... not sure if that includes the tape on the gas can ...

Just think of it as the defense doing a trial run. They get BConway to throw this stuff out here now to the public, and then judge the public's reaction.

If we don't buy it, do you think a jury will?

[seeing_eye]

Because the FBI refers to the pontiac as "the grandmother's" car. i.e. "the car was registered to the grandmother but used by the mom" (handwritten page 8907, yesterday's dump).

Also, "FDLE is analyzing some carpet removed from the trunk of the grandmother's car .... looking for body fluids". As this was on July 29 and the pontiac was the only car in the possession of the FDLE it can only be the pontiac. (handwritten pg 8903)

There is also no evidence forms to date saying that anything was collected from Cindy's SUV.

Thanks, Rose. I hadn't seen that report yet. I knew Casey's Pontiac was registered to Cindy, but seemed to generally be referred to as Casey's car in other reports.

[LadyHam]

My opinion on wht the defense is going to use...The hair with th death band can not be scientically determined to be Caylee's....The odor in the car can not be scientifically proven to be decomp....The stain in the car can not be scientifically proven to be that of decomp....

There is a Zenaida Gonzales out there and just because LE couldn't locate her doesn't mean she doesn't exist...There are alot of people who could have committed this crime and the will give a reason for each and everyone one of Casey's friends...That LE rushed to judgement....that Casey is a loving mother and always has been...

But ALL that will not make a bit of difference....the jury will not be able to get past those 31 days of not reporting her daughter missing (what loving mom would do that?)...The jury will not be able to get past Casey actions while her daughter was "missing"....and the jury will not be able to get past....Casey leading LE in all different directions and lying to them while they were trying to find her daughter....

Cindy will not be able to retract her statement "it smells like there's a dead damn body in the car"...George will not be able to retract "I'll be honest with you guys, I know that smell, it's a smell you don't forget"....They both will not be able to retract stating that Casey is a liar/"mistruths"......

There is just no way, any defense will be a defense....there is just no defense here....but LKB will throw in her "scientific evidence doesn't lie" (even though there is NO scientific evidence that can prove her client is innocent), but she will throw it to the juror's in hope of reaching that ONE weak link.....JMO

Bolding by me....

I agree w/you, Barbara, I think that is exactly what the defense is going to do. I just hope it won't work. I am no longer confident that Casey will be convicted. I think it is very likely that she will be, but I am not 100% sure. I think the defense team may be able to create enough smoke and mirrors to get to a couple of jurors. In that case there will be a mistrial and most likely a retrial. But will the retrial be for murder 1 and have the DP on the table? If there has to be retrial, will the prosecution try to go for a lower murder charge or even manslaughter to guarantee a conviction? If that is the case, it is very possible that Casey would some day get out of prison, even if she is convicted of the fraud charges. I'm worried now.

[Sun]

Anyone know if any of the media will be streaming live BConway's 11 o'clock press conference?

[desmom]

Didn't someone say she was afraid of the cops? That's why she didn't call for Caylee?

Imo, Casey was not as afraid of LE as she was of her mother. page 123 line 14 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Q: You're glad you saw your mom. Let me ask you this. You could've saw your your mom five weeks ago, said mom I don't know where... You could've called your mom five weeks ago.

A: I was scared.

Q: What does that mean?

A: I saw my mom's reaction right off the bat and it would've been the same from the get go.

Q: Well, so you're more afraid...

A: (inaudible)...

Q: So wait a minute. So you're more afraid of your mom's reaction then you are if you ever see your daughter?

(My note - then Casey back pedals on page 124 with:)

A: No I'm absolutely petrified. Absolutely petrified. I know my mom will never forgive me. I'm never gonna forgive myself because there's that chance that I might not see Caylee again and I don't want to think about that.

jmo

[Sun]

Originally Posted by cassidy
Didn't someone say she was afraid of the cops? That's why she didn't call for Caylee?

Have you been listening to Cindy again?

Casey dated/romanced Rusciano, Grund (now both ex-law enforcement).

[Dunlurken]

Just think of it as the defense doing a trial run. They get BConway to throw this stuff out here now to the public, and then judge the public's reaction.

If we don't buy it, do you think a jury will?An emphatic "NO".

[desmom]

Anyone know if any of the media will be streaming live BConway's 11 o'clock press conference?

I checked all the Orlando media sites that I link to and can't find any "live" banners.

BC holds a news conference at 11 a.m. Wednesday and no one shows up? :eek:

[cassidy]

Have you been listening to Cindy again?

Casey dated/romanced Rusciano, Grund (now both ex-law enforcement).

LOL I wasn't buying it, just saying that was the excuse thrown out.

[cassidy]

I checked all the Orlando media sites that I link to and can't find any "live" banners.

BC holds a news conference at 11 a.m. Wednesday and no one shows up? :eek:


Wouldn't that be a hoot! The media sending a message LOL

[need2no]

Imo, Casey was not as afraid of LE as she was of her mother. page 123 line 14 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Q: You're glad you saw your mom. Let me ask you this. You could've saw your your mom five weeks ago, said mom I don't know where... You could've called your mom five weeks ago.

A: I was scared.

Q: What does that mean?

A: I saw my mom's reaction right off the bat and it would've been the same from the get go.

Q: Well, so you're more afraid...

A: (inaudible)...

Q: So wait a minute. So you're more afraid of your mom's reaction then you are if you ever see your daughter?

(My note - then Casey back pedals on page 124 with:)

A: No I'm absolutely petrified. Absolutely petrified. I know my mom will never forgive me. I'm never gonna forgive myself because there's that chance that I might not see Caylee again and I don't want to think about that.

jmo

BBM

Well casey certainly did a good job of this. Just forged right ahead with her life and activities without giving Caylee a mere second thought.:angry:

[denjet]

JMO - It's also possible that the "non match" for the duct tape is the result of the defense independent testing. Perhaps they have given those results to the prosecution and the prosecution did not release it in the latest dump.

I know one of the FBI evidence reports stated that the crime scene tape was similar to the tape recovered from the house - I just can't find that particular report - still looking.

Hi ya Rose!
One thing that's been consistently missing from the defense's and Brad's statements is evidence testing reports that the defense did !!
So far I haven't seen them "prove" anything ... all they've done is stated their interpretation of evidence that's been released so I can't wait to see Brad's "proof" ....

So far, all I've seen is the defense and the Anthonys casting doubt on the evidence and witnesses ... NONE of it's been "reasonable" !!

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding by me....

I agree w/you, Barbara, I think that is exactly what the defense is going to do. I just hope it won't work. I am no longer confident that Casey will be convicted. I think it is very likely that she will be, but I am not 100% sure. I think the defense team may be able to create enough smoke and mirrors to get to a couple of jurors. In that case there will be a mistrial and most likely a retrial. But will the retrial be for murder 1 and have the DP on the table? If there has to be retrial, will the prosecution try to go for a lower murder charge or even manslaughter to guarantee a conviction? If that is the case, it is very possible that Casey would some day get out of prison, even if she is convicted of the fraud charges. I'm worried now.

If by any chance the defense manages to reach one (doubt two) juror, Casey will still remain charged with murder one....The only way it may change is if the jury is split evenly, only then "MAYBE", the prosecution will reduce the charge.....

But I really do not see that happening, I truly feel that no juror will buy anything the defense has to say.....But in that rare case, she will be retried (without these high profile attornies)....and will be found guilty of murder one and will then most likely get the DP....

Lets not forget that these attornies are only shooting for a dead lock....there is NO way they expect to get Casey off....they only want the publicity, they couldn't give a hoot for Casey...and then they will be gone from this case....and Casey will be left alone in that cell, hoping for another attorney to donate his services for an appeal.....which is not likely to happen, because by then the publicity will have died down and she will have to resort to a court appointed attorney....jmo

[Tia]

Imo, Casey was not as afraid of LE as she was of her mother. page 123 line 14 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Q: You're glad you saw your mom. Let me ask you this. You could've saw your your mom five weeks ago, said mom I don't know where... You could've called your mom five weeks ago.

A: I was scared.

Q: What does that mean?

A: I saw my mom's reaction right off the bat and it would've been the same from the get go.

Q: Well, so you're more afraid...

A: (inaudible)...

Q: So wait a minute. So you're more afraid of your mom's reaction then you are if you ever see your daughter?

(My note - then Casey back pedals on page 124 with:)

A: No I'm absolutely petrified. Absolutely petrified. I know my mom will never forgive me. I'm never gonna forgive myself because there's that chance that I might not see Caylee again and I don't want to think about that.

jmo

Seeing what you posted from page 124, I read it as "I murdered Caylee and my mom is going to be mad."

After watching Cindy throughout this case, its easy to see why Casey would be petrified of her.

I think could be a tactic the defense uses. "It was an accident, but Casey was so scared of Cindy she didn't report it to anyone".

[Sun]

I checked all the Orlando media sites that I link to and can't find any "live" banners.

BC holds a news conference at 11 a.m. Wednesday and no one shows up? :eek:

That was EXACTLY what I was just now thinking!! :lol: Makes me smile a bit. :smile:

I've not been able to find any links either.

[Jen]

Wouldn't that be a hoot! The media sending a message LOL

That alone would make for a great day!

[Sweetly]

I checked all the Orlando media sites that I link to and can't find any "live" banners.

BC holds a news conference at 11 a.m. Wednesday and no one shows up? :eek:

Morning, will anyone who finds a live feed to the Conway "mis-truth" conference please post the link? I want to hear what NEW lies, mistruths, convoluted "realities" they come up with now!!!

After reading the docs from yesterday, I cannot believe the lengths and widths the Anthony's have gone to to lie, mislead, cover for and cover up the serious TRUTH'S in this nightmare!!! It's just beyond comprehension and bearability!!!! :cursing:

[Barbara fl.]

Hi ya Rose!
One thing that's been consistently missing from the defense's and Brad's statements is evidence testing reports that the defense did !!
So far I haven't seen them "prove" anything ... all they've done is stated their interpretation of evidence that's been released so I can't wait to see Brad's "proof" ....

So far, all I've seen is the defense and the Anthonys casting doubt on the evidence and witnesses ... NONE of it's been "reasonable" !!


The defense docs have to be shown as well...they will eventually have to show what defense they are using....but, the way it appears, they are going to stick with the "Zanny"...they really have no choice, if they change it now, it will onjmoly make it worse for their client.....

[cassidy]

That alone would make for a great day!

Well it looks like it might have happened. No reports of a news conference

[Another Rose]

Hi ya Rose!
One thing that's been consistently missing from the defense's and Brad's statements is evidence testing reports that the defense did !!
So far I haven't seen them "prove" anything ... all they've done is stated their interpretation of evidence that's been released so I can't wait to see Brad's "proof" ....

So far, all I've seen is the defense and the Anthonys casting doubt on the evidence and witnesses ... NONE of it's been "reasonable" !!

HI

I'm not saying that's what it is, just that it's possible. I would have to agree with everyone here also in that it is more likely he's looking at the evidence with anthony colored glasses. I guess we'll see.

[need2no]

I see Obama is on TV talking about healthcare reform. Wasn't our President holding a press conference the last time Brad Conway, (or maybe it was Jose Baez) held a presser? Poor guys, their timing stinks for getting air time, maybe they should plan better. :tonguewag:

[denjet]

What about poor Zenaida? Morgan should have a field day with what's been released ... I wonder if that's what Mitnik was talking about in court and why he said they were no longer interested in forcing Cindy to answer question and that he could get it from other sources ....

One thing's clear, the defense and the anthonys certainly WERE going after THIS Zenaida !! Made me smile when I was reading that yesterday ... I'm hoping Dominic and Cindy are sued also!!

Zenaida's lawsuit is looking less and less frivolous, huh?

[desmom]

Re: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.

But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.

One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf page 2
swabs from the silver side of duct tape specimens Q62, Q63 and Q64 will be referred to as Q62/Q63/Q64-1.
swabs from the adhesive side of the tape will be referred to as Q62/Q63/Q64-2.

From page 3 of the same link:
Q62/Q63/Q64-1 displayed the presence of a single donor which is consistent with having arisen from Laboratory personnel.

Q62/Q63/Q64-2 at D3S1358 does not satisfy the DNA Analysis Unit 1 inclusionary reporting criteria and due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons.

Question: Is the report saying the DNA found on Q62/Q63/Q64-2, the adhesive side of the duct tape, is too small to use for DNA comparison? TIA

[5swab5]

Bolding by me....

I agree w/you, Barbara, I think that is exactly what the defense is going to do. I just hope it won't work. I am no longer confident that Casey will be convicted. I think it is very likely that she will be, but I am not 100% sure. I think the defense team may be able to create enough smoke and mirrors to get to a couple of jurors. In that case there will be a mistrial and most likely a retrial. But will the retrial be for murder 1 and have the DP on the table? If there has to be retrial, will the prosecution try to go for a lower murder charge or even manslaughter to guarantee a conviction? If that is the case, it is very possible that Casey would some day get out of prison, even if she is convicted of the fraud charges. I'm worried now.

Insulting a jury's intelligence will not result in either an acquittal or a mistrial, IMO.

[Jen]

Maybe there just isn't anything for BC to say.

I have a visual of Cindy telling him THIS is what your gonna say, now GO! as she pushes him & lets him roll into the camera shot as he mumbles for the right words, I mean lies to tell.

[Barbara fl.]

What about poor Zenaida? Morgan should have a field day with what's been released ... I wonder if that's what Mitnik was talking about in court and why he said they were no longer interested in forcing Cindy to answer question and that he could get it from other sources ....

One thing's clear, the defense and the anthonys certainly WERE going after THIS Zenaida !! Made me smile when I was reading that yesterday ... I'm hoping Dominic and Cindy are sued also!!

Zenaida's lawsuit is looking less and less frivolous, huh?


They all belong in one cell....There is NOTHING they wont try to use to TRY and get Casey off....but, nothing is going to work, and I want to see Cindy's face when that "Guilty" verdict comes back.....

[Barbara fl.]

Maybe there just isn't anything for BC to say.

I have a visual of Cindy telling him THIS is what your gonna say, now GO! as she pushes him & lets him roll into the camera shot as he mumbles for the right words, I mean lies to tell.


And he better have some good brakes on that wheel chair when it doesn't go Cindy's way.....:scared:

[summer4meplz]

good morning all.....

just a few notes I jotted while "wading" through a lot of the latest doc dump.....

kinda o/t but does it bother anyone else when nancy's callers say things like....."My daughter, who is 6, and I watch your show everynight....."...I just don't think nancy's show is appropriate for a 6 year old.....maybe it's just me....

Interesting that on Halloween, an agreement was signed between dominick casey and the anthonys, witnessed by the milsteads....had to kinda smile at the irony of the date....

in an email from dominick to cindy, he says "I will have RG on the porno soon".....I wonder what he meant by that....

very odd and interesting about Timer55 and the software.....confusing too.....

do we know if Lenny's Tracy is THE Tracy (had to be) that was sending cindy the emails between crystal and lenny......no wonder she ran back to california and got a lawyer.....

are there really official records missing?

not totally convinced about this Thompson guy.......

and I STILL think Sawgrass apts is way more than just a random apt. complex casey threw out there./........why was Katie Sue Robinson, a sawgrass employee refusing to interview with LE?

I would also think the anthonys going on NATIONAL TV with their misleading tidbits would help the judge to decide they may as well just stay in Orlando with this trial since the whole nation has been tainted....

anxiously awaiting brad's news conference .....:rolleyes:

[cassidy]

And he better have some good brakes on that wheel chair when it doesn't go Cindy's way.....:scared:


No kidding! She's brutal pushing that chair. Bet he was scared.

JMO

[Sun]

Re: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.

But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.

One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf page 2
swabs from the silver side of duct tape specimens Q62, Q63 and Q64 will be referred to as Q62/Q63/Q64-1.
swabs from the adhesive side of the tape will be referred to as Q62/Q63/Q64-2.

From page 3 of the same link:
Q62/Q63/Q64-1 displayed the presence of a single donor which is consistent with having arisen from Laboratory personnel.

Q62/Q63/Q64-2 at D3S1358 does not satisfy the DNA Analysis Unit 1 inclusionary reporting criteria and due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons.

Question: Is the report saying the DNA found on Q62/Q63/Q64-2, the adhesive side of the duct tape, is too small to use for DNA comparison? TIA

BBM
Either too degraded, or too "fragmented" to be of any use for any comparison.

[Sweetly]

They all belong in one cell....There is NOTHING they wont try to use to TRY and get Casey off....but, nothing is going to work, and I want to see Cindy's face when that "Guilty" verdict comes back.....

My bold... It will be an instant replay for me of the night they arrested Casey at the Anthony home, amongst all the protestors!! That was priceless!!! It will be the "cry of gotcha" heard round the world, IMO!!!

[need2no]

What about poor Zenaida? Morgan should have a field day with what's been released ... I wonder if that's what Mitnik was talking about in court and why he said they were no longer interested in forcing Cindy to answer question and that he could get it from other sources ....

One thing's clear, the defense and the anthonys certainly WERE going after THIS Zenaida !! Made me smile when I was reading that yesterday ... I'm hoping Dominic and Cindy are sued also!!


I wonder if the Anthony's are funneling most of their ill-gotten gains through the Caylee foundation. If so, would this money therefore be protected from paying out any law suits where they were found liable?

Or they could start putting everything in Lee's name to protect their assets, (whatever they may be.)

I think we will be hearing about lawsuits, settlements, and hidden assets in this case for years to come.

I also hope we will be hearing about additional arrests in the not to distant future.

[Spots]

Are we sure Brad meant *this* Wednesday? :rolleyes:

[desmom]

BBM
Either too degraded, or too "fragmented" to be of any use for any comparison.

Thanks Sun. So it is not evidence it was someone else or Casey's.

[MomofaMarine]

My bold... It will be an instant replay for me of the night they arrested Casey at the Anthony home, amongst all the protestors!! That was priceless!!! It will be the "cry of gotcha" heard round the world, IMO!!!



I cant wait! Casey isnt looking so good these days! I think she has finally come to the realization that her goose is cooked! When the guilty verdict is read Cindy will flip out! She will be on every television news show possible claiming Caseys innocence.

[need2no]

Re: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.

But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.

One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/11-8634-8711%5B1%5D.pdf page 2
swabs from the silver side of duct tape specimens Q62, Q63 and Q64 will be referred to as Q62/Q63/Q64-1.
swabs from the adhesive side of the tape will be referred to as Q62/Q63/Q64-2.

From page 3 of the same link:
Q62/Q63/Q64-1 displayed the presence of a single donor which is consistent with having arisen from Laboratory personnel.

Q62/Q63/Q64-2 at D3S1358 does not satisfy the DNA Analysis Unit 1 inclusionary reporting criteria and due to the limited nature of this result it is not suitable for comparisons.

Question: Is the report saying the DNA found on Q62/Q63/Q64-2, the adhesive side of the duct tape, is too small to use for DNA comparison? TIA

BBM

That's the way I interpreted it, and this would mean they couldn't rule in, or rule out, this being casey or Caylee's DNA. :sad:

[neid_77]

i thought there was a press conference at 11 today what happened? i guess we are talking about oh dependable Brad Conman


i am really having a hard time with all the DNA duct tape mess up by the F.B.I yesterday's docs I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!:cursing:

[MomofaMarine]

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Brad Conway Releasing New Evidence


http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/09/30/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-conway-releasing-new-evidence/


READ COMMENT #8

[Another Rose]

Are we sure Brad meant *this* Wednesday? :rolleyes:

I think he cancelled. Per clickorlando "Brad Conway was expected to hold a news conference on Wednesday."

[desmom]

i thought there was a press conference at 11 today what happened? i guess we are talking about oh dependable Brad Conman


i am really having a hard time with all the DNA duct tape mess up by the F.B.I yesterday's docs I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!:cursing:

I am not seeing any updates on the media pages or their twitter accounts. Maybe he changed his mind.

:shrug:

[Jen]

good morning all.....

just a few notes I jotted while "wading" through a lot of the latest doc dump.....

kinda o/t but does it bother anyone else when nancy's callers say things like....."My daughter, who is 6, and I watch your show everynight....."...I just don't think nancy's show is appropriate for a 6 year old.....maybe it's just me....

Interesting that on Halloween, an agreement was signed between dominick casey and the anthonys, witnessed by the milsteads....had to kinda smile at the irony of the date....

in an email from dominick to cindy, he says "I will have RG on the porno soon".....I wonder what he meant by that....

very odd and interesting about Timer55 and the software.....confusing too.....

do we know if Lenny's Tracy is THE Tracy (had to be) that was sending cindy the emails between crystal and lenny......no wonder she ran back to california and got a lawyer.....

are there really official records missing?

not totally convinced about this Thompson guy.......

and I STILL think Sawgrass apts is way more than just a random apt. complex casey threw out there./........why was Katie Sue Robinson, a sawgrass employee refusing to interview with LE?

I would also think the anthonys going on NATIONAL TV with their misleading tidbits would help the judge to decide they may as well just stay in Orlando with this trial since the whole nation has been tainted....

anxiously awaiting brad's news conference .....:rolleyes:



My 11 yr. old watches NG with me. She loves NG, even tries calling in to ask questions in reference to the case.

I let her watch it just for the pure fact of making her aware of what kinda sickos are out there & just what they are capable of doing & to always always always be aware & cautious of people around her and her surroundings.

My 4 yr. old runs around saying she's busy watching NG but she says that b/c she hears me say that, she'll choose Scooby Doo over NG.

[need2no]

I am not seeing any updates on the media pages or their twitter accounts. Maybe he changed his mind.

:shrug:

Or maybe Andrea Lyons changed his mind.

[Sweetly]

I cant wait! Casey isnt looking so good these days! I think she has finally come to the realization that her goose is cooked! When the guilty verdict is read Cindy will flip out! She will be on every television news show possible claiming Caseys innocence.

My bold.... Oh, how I wish she was sweating bullets. Unfortunately, I believe she lives in her delusional world of lies and will never face the TRUTH, nor will ANY of the Anthony's, because they all feed off of, embrace and swarm around each others lies! I believe Casey will continually deny, deny, deny, along with the rest of this conveniently and deliberately delusional family!! They have CREATED their own delusions and lies to cover this murder and I believe they will continue it to their deaths. It is so very sad and destructive and will, day by day, wear them all out and slowly destroy each one of them. They will have no one to place blame on, but themselves, either.

[martha]

The defense docs have to be shown as well...they will eventually have to show what defense they are using....but, the way it appears, they are going to stick with the "Zanny"...they really have no choice, if they change it now, it will onjmoly make it worse for their client.....Good morning everyone, oh Barbara fl.I have to keep reading all your post and everyone elce that sayes they have no defense which ITA on and I know if I was on the jury I could never get past the 31 days. I can see them thorwing up everything they can to put doubt in there to get her of but I will keep holding on to what you and all the good poster say that they can;t get past the 31 days. I sure hope there or some good mother on the jury.I read all day yesterday and it just makes me sick what all cindy is doing to get casey of. How she can do that I will never understand this is her grandbaby we or talking about.I know you have your grandaughter and would never stand for anyone to harm her.In my mind I can;t see how they can get her of but I am not smart enough to know what all they will bring into the trial.I will just keep praying for justice for CAYLEE. I know all of you will too.jmho:wub:

[Jen]

I think he cancelled. Per clickorlando "Brad Conway was expected to hold a news conference on Wednesday."


Why I find this so humorus I'm not sure but I'm getting much joy outta this.

I knew "Hot Wheels" Conway didn't have a dang thing to say or offer.

Next?

[Dtviewer3]

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Brad Conway Releasing New Evidence


http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/09/30/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-conway-releasing-new-evidence/


READ COMMENT #5


Comment #5 is very interesting.

Wonder if its true?

[Tia]

Insulting a jury's intelligence will not result in either an acquittal or a mistrial, IMO.

No kidding Swabby, and so far, I believe anything that the defense tries WILL insult the jury's intelligence.

[LadyHam]

My bold.... Oh, how I wish she was sweating bullets. Unfortunately, I believe she lives in her delusional world of lies and will never face the TRUTH, nor will ANY of the Anthony's, because they all feed off of, embrace and swarm around each others lies! I believe Casey will continually deny, deny, deny, along with the rest of this conveniently and deliberately delusional family!! They have CREATED their own delusions and lies to cover this murder and I believe they will continue it to their deaths. It is so very sad and destructive and will, day by day, wear them all out and slowly destroy each one of them. They will have no one to place blame on, but themselves, either.

I agree. I think the defense team is using enough smoke and mirrors that it is enabling Casey to believe that she one day may just get out of this. I hope not.

[Spots]

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Brad Conway Releasing New Evidence


http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/09/30/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-conway-releasing-new-evidence/


READ COMMENT #5


From your link:

"Cnn just announced that George and Cindy will release the “evidence” themselves. Hmm, did Brad bail? Probably not."

[Beep]

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Brad Conway Releasing New Evidence


http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/09/30/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-conway-releasing-new-evidence/


READ COMMENT #5

Yes, I saw that. See, also, comment #8.

[need2no]

From your link:

Cnn just announced that George and Cindy will release the “evidence” themselves. Hmm, did Brad bail? Probably not.

BBM

this should be good. :lol:

[Pierre]

good morning all.....

just a few notes I jotted while "wading" through a lot of the latest doc dump.....

kinda o/t but does it bother anyone else when nancy's callers say things like....."My daughter, who is 6, and I watch your show everynight....."...I just don't think nancy's show is appropriate for a 6 year old.....maybe it's just me....

Interesting that on Halloween, an agreement was signed between dominick casey and the anthonys, witnessed by the milsteads....had to kinda smile at the irony of the date....

in an email from dominick to cindy, he says "I will have RG on the porno soon".....I wonder what he meant by that....

very odd and interesting about Timer55 and the software.....confusing too.....

do we know if Lenny's Tracy is THE Tracy (had to be) that was sending cindy the emails between crystal and lenny......no wonder she ran back to california and got a lawyer.....

are there really official records missing?

not totally convinced about this Thompson guy.......

and I STILL think Sawgrass apts is way more than just a random apt. complex casey threw out there./........why was Katie Sue Robinson, a sawgrass employee refusing to interview with LE?

I would also think the anthonys going on NATIONAL TV with their misleading tidbits would help the judge to decide they may as well just stay in Orlando with this trial since the whole nation has been tainted....

anxiously awaiting brad's news conference .....:rolleyes:

My bold: Didnt one of the tattoo guys live at sawgrass? Dante something? Someone correct me if wrong.

[MomofaMarine]

Yes, I saw that. See, also, comment #8.


I meant #8. Sorry! I corrected my last post.

[neid_77]

Comment #5 is very interesting.

Wonder if its true?

if this is true how does the family of the accussed have any right to release any evidence?? i just don't get how anyone besides the defense should be releasing this evidence none who are to release this reprsent the OC?

[desmom]

Re: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html

Sources said information Conway is expected to release will show that duct tape found at the crime scene does not match duct tape recovered from the Anthony home

Report from FBI dated 12/19/08 - page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf (My notes: Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.)

Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared to the Q66 piece of duct tape removed from the Q65 gas can. Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.

[LadyHam]

if this is true how does the family of the accussed have any right to release any evidence?? i just don't get how anyone besides the defense should be releasing this evidence none who are to release this reprsent the OC?

I agree. Do The Anthony's even have any legal standing to release evidence in this case? Will it be considered "evidence" or will it just be "information"? And if it is evidence, then why not just hand it over to LE? Why release it to the media?

[seeing_eye]

Are we sure Brad meant *this* Wednesday? :rolleyes:

I think it's possible either Brad didn't show or the media didn't show.

[need2no]

My bold: Didnt one of the tattoo guys live at sawgrass? Dante something? Someone correct me if wrong.


Not sure what you mean by "tattoo guys", but yes, Dante did live at Sawgrass spartments, and Annie lived with him at one time.

[Another Rose]

Re: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html

Sources said information Conway is expected to release will show that duct tape found at the crime scene does not match duct tape recovered from the Anthony home

Report from FBI dated 12/19/08 - page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf (My notes: Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.)

Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared to the Q66 piece of duct tape removed from the Q65 gas can. Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.

Thank You! I knew it was there, just couldn't find it.:smile:

[Pierre]

Re: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html

Sources said information Conway is expected to release will show that duct tape found at the crime scene does not match duct tape recovered from the Anthony home

Report from FBI dated 12/19/08 - page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf (My notes: Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.)

Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared to the Q66 piece of duct tape removed from the Q65 gas can. Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.

Does that mean the pieces of tape are not concurrent but came from the same roll?
What about the tape Casey borrowed from Amy?

[Spots]

Re: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html

Sources said information Conway is expected to release will show that duct tape found at the crime scene does not match duct tape recovered from the Anthony home

Report from FBI dated 12/19/08 - page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf (My notes: Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.)

Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared to the Q66 piece of duct tape removed from the Q65 gas can. Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.

AS IF the Anthonys couldn't have bought another roll of duct tape. Duh.

[apothecary]

I agree. Do The Anthony's even have any legal standing to release evidence in this case? Will it be considered "evidence" or will it just be "information"? And if it is evidence, then why not just hand it over to LE? Why release it to the media?
How would there be proof that it is real evidence or just more made up stuff that the A's put out there?

[Jen]

From your link:

"Cnn just announced that George and Cindy will release the “evidence” themselves. Hmm, did Brad bail? Probably not."


Even better! I've missed the Anthony's

(can't find the puking face)

[desmom]

I agree. Do The Anthony's even have any legal standing to release evidence in this case? Will it be considered "evidence" or will it just be "information"? And if it is evidence, then why not just hand it over to LE? Why release it to the media?

BBM. I think Cindy has made it very clear in some of her interviews that have been released how she feels about LE. If Cindy can release some "bombshell" evidence to the public and media, it will make look LE look like they are railroading Casey. jmo

[need2no]

I agree. Do The Anthony's even have any legal standing to release evidence in this case? Will it be considered "evidence" or will it just be "information"? And if it is evidence, then why not just hand it over to LE? Why release it to the media?


Exactly IF they have any 'real' evidence why wouldn't they just turn it over to Baez....if they don't want to give it to LE. This sounds like just another publicity stunt that will be played out in the media. When will these people stop the madness?

[Sun]

Re: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html

Sources said information Conway is expected to release will show that duct tape found at the crime scene does not match duct tape recovered from the Anthony home

Report from FBI dated 12/19/08 - page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf (My notes: Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.)

Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared to the Q66 piece of duct tape removed from the Q65 gas can. Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.

Thanks for posting this. If you notice BConway's words, he is saying "duct tape recovered from the Anthony home" and not duct tape that was on the gas can recovered from the Anthony home. So what he is saying is just to deflect from the truth provided in the Discovery.

Anyone know if Brad is feeling ok today? Hope he hasn't thrown his back out again.

[Pierre]

Not sure what you mean by "tattoo guys", but yes, Dante did live at Sawgrass spartments, and Annie lived with him at one time.


Worked at the tattoo parlor or was friends with the owners of tattoo parlor?
Thats connection enough for me.

[GIGI4256]

Even better! I've missed the Anthony's

(can't find the puking face)

Sin will take any opportunity to get on television to show off her jewelry. She's vile and uncouth. JMO

[Scampi]

From your link:

"Cnn just announced that George and Cindy will release the “evidence” themselves. Hmm, did Brad bail? Probably not."

Please let Kathy Belich be there when they give their pc.

:thumbsup:

[LadyHam]

Is this "bombshell" evidence about the duct tape not matching duct tape recovered from The Anthony family home going to be released today or not? :shrug:

[Spots]

BBM. I think Cindy has made it very clear in some of her interviews that have been released how she feels about LE. If Cindy can release some "bombshell" evidence to the public and media, it will make look LE look like they are railroading Casey. jmo

"Bombshell" to Cindy may not be "bombshell" to anyone else.

[neid_77]

i just watched WESH live at noon and they had the press conference and did not have it live. They had documents that came from the F.B.I lab that talked about how the tape was inconsistant the fibers and also something about anything not found on the tape that could have came from Casey's trunk.

i suppose they will put the article up soon why they didn't give the press conference live is beyond me...this does not vote well for the state i just don't get it........i think the water did a huge number on the evidence in this case

[Rayosunshine]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html?cid=rss

"Sources: Duct Tape Evidence In Casey Case Doesn't Add Up"

Sorry if this is a repeat post.

I had wondered yesterday whether any skin cells or hair attached to the duct tape was analyzed? I don't remember reading or hearing anything about that. I do remember it being reported that there was hair??? What gives?

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone, oh Barbara fl.I have to keep reading all your post and everyone elce that sayes they have no defense which ITA on and I know if I was on the jury I could never get past the 31 days. I can see them thorwing up everything they can to put doubt in there to get her of but I will keep holding on to what you and all the good poster say that they can;t get past the 31 days. I sure hope there or some good mother on the jury.I read all day yesterday and it just makes me sick what all cindy is doing to get casey of. How she can do that I will never understand this is her grandbaby we or talking about.I know you have your grandaughter and would never stand for anyone to harm her.In my mind I can;t see how they can get her of but I am not smart enough to know what all they will bring into the trial.I will just keep praying for justice for CAYLEE. I know all of you will too.jmho:wub:

Good morning Martha,

This family is the most underhanded family that ever was...They had no room in their life for Caylee, therefore she is not missed...Their only concern is their murerous daughter, and getting her off...I bet they never for a moment think about what their family would be like if that was to ever happen? Would they actually be able to look their daughter in the face knowing what she had done....Would they ever be able to go back to their normal routine (no matter what that might have been)?

A tragedy like this one would wreck any family, but I have never seen a family just forget about the little life that was taken away....Susan Smith's family acted appropriately, they asked for forgiveness for their daughter and said she hd to have been ill to have done such a thing...There have been other families that were faced with just such a tragedy, but I just never saw any of them acting like this family...

They are more then willing to accuse innocent people for what their daughter did....I thought Jackie Peterson was the pitts, but Cindy has her beat....

[WillowInFlight]

Re: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html

Sources said information Conway is expected to release will show that duct tape found at the crime scene does not match duct tape recovered from the Anthony home

Report from FBI dated 12/19/08 - page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf (My notes: Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.)

Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared to the Q66 piece of duct tape removed from the Q65 gas can. Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.

Is this their way of playing this out in the public? I thought they said they weren't going to do that.

[desmom]

i just watched WESH live at noon and they had the press conference and did not have it live. They had documents that came from the F.B.I lab that talked about how the tape was inconsistant the fibers and also something about anything not found on the tape that could have came from Casey's trunk.

i suppose they will put the article up soon why they didn't give the press conference live is beyond me...this does not vote well for the state i just don't get it........i think the water did a huge number on the evidence in this case

Thanks for the update :seeya:

[Sun]

There are times that I think that Cindy and George try to get Casey to see certain things, by using the media as the messenger. It's almost as if they believe that Baez is withholding info from Casey, that they believe that she should have. They may be paranoid that Casey isn't getting their messages that they give to Baez, or that she doesn't get the mail that they send to the jail. ....how are they to know, if Casey has seen something, if she doesn't respond back to them.

Lyon would no doubt like Cindy and George's cooperation, in order to prepare for the trial and the death penalty phase. I don't know that this is occuring. I just can't imagine Cindy allowing or helping Lyon to paint Cindy in the light that Lyon will need to do.

[Barbara fl.]

i just watched WESH live at noon and they had the press conference and did not have it live. They had documents that came from the F.B.I lab that talked about how the tape was inconsistant the fibers and also something about anything not found on the tape that could have came from Casey's trunk.

i suppose they will put the article up soon why they didn't give the press conference live is beyond me...this does not vote well for the state i just don't get it........i think the water did a huge number on the evidence in this case

I believe that this case went circumstantial before any body was found...and the circumstances were overwhelming enough for LE to charge Casey with murder one.....As for the forensics, they didn't have much to go on with Laci Peterson after the remains were in the water for so long, but that didn't save Scott...

From the very beginning LE knew that Casey had mudered Caylee....finding the body sealed the case....they really didn't need any scientific evidence from the remains....

IF, and I mean "IF" the body had been found while it was still warm and intact....and it was a gunshot would that they can associate to someone other then Casey....and if there was someone else's DNA on the body...then I could go along with Casey being the wrong person in jail.....BUT these "IF'S" are never going to happen.....because Casey is the murderer....

The mere fact that the body was out there for so long and Casey never reported her child missing, is alone going to convict...no doubt in my mind...

[desmom]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html updated 10 minutes ago w/

An attorney for the parents of Casey Anthony, who is accused of killing her daughter Caylee, said on Wednesday that evidence being used by prosecutors has some problems.

Attorney Brad Conway said a forensics report shows that duct tape found on Caylee's mouth doesn't match duct tape found at the Anthony home.

The attorney also said that no hairs showing signs of decomposition were found in the car used by Casey Anthony.

[Another Rose]

The size of the area where the remains were discovered was very large and there was garbage that had been dumped there unrelated to this case. It is quite possible that there are more pieces of duct tape in the area that have nothing to do with Caylee other than they were close in proximity and collected as "potential" evidence.

I'm sure the FDLE/FBI tested every piece of duct tape and some did not match the Henkel found with the body or within the home.

JMO

[desmom]

Attorney disputes evidence in Anthony case
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/093009_Casey_Anthony_discovery

[neid_77]

ATTORNEY: CASEY EVIDENCE PROBLOMATIC

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html


The Attorney also said that no hairs showing signs of decomposition were found in the car used by Casey Anthony:confused:

HE also said the duct tape isn't a match

Caylee Marie:wub:

[sydney]

The size of the area where the remains were discovered was very large and there was garbage that had been dumped there unrelated to this case. It is quite possible that there are more pieces of duct tape in the area that have nothing to do with Caylee other than they were close in proximity and collected as "potential" evidence.

I'm sure the FDLE/FBI tested every piece of duct tape and some did not match the Henkel found with the body or within the home.

JMO

agreed. i've never known a body dump site to be pristine and contain no extraneous materials. i also don't think that le would "pick and choose" what to collect at a crimescene, so that potential evidence may be missed.

iirc, in the sp case, much of what was collected turned out to be unrelated to the crime but that didn't stop the defense from arguing that it was, trying to insert the "one armed" defense.

[desmom]

ATTORNEY: CASEY EVIDENCE PROBLOMATIC

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html


The Attorney also said that no hairs showing signs of decomposition were found in the car used by Casey Anthony:confused:

HE also said the duct tape isn't a match

Caylee Marie:wub:


So where is the evidence he said he would release today: http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

Brad Conway said the evidence he intends to release contains information the state "should have released today, but didn't."

[sydney]

So where is the evidence he said he would release today: http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

Brad Conway said the evidence he intends to release contains information the state "should have released today, but didn't."

i think the better question is HOW did he come into possession of this "evidence".

[Rayosunshine]

Reading and trying to understand these reports: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

On page 279, the "Items from Medical Examiner's Office" is listed as: Q59 Hair mass; Q59.1 Five hair portions from Q59; Q59.2 Fifteen hair roots from Q59; Q60 Debris from skull; Q61 Tibia; Q62-Q64 Tape.

From page 353:

Q62/Q63/Q64-1 Tape
Packaged each inside one plastic sleeve, each open, labeled "...Q62...", "...Q63...", and "...Q64...". Three pieces of duct tape, with black powder throughout, worn with loosened strings and areas missing silver-coating, manufacturer's logo "...Henkel..." throughout, with pieces measuring 9.75 in x 2 in, 7.25 in x 2 in, and 8.75 in respectively.

Three pieces of tape measuring 9.75", 7.25" and 8.75" in length on Caylee's mouth? :mad:

ETA ~ So which piece was contaminated?

I am having a very difficult time understanding that there were no epithelial cells attached to the adhesive portion of the duct tape. This makes no sense at all.

[Pierre]

While thinking about the "new" outline in the trunk and the old GA description of the basketball stain; the stain on caseys pants had to have been significantly visible and oderous, more so than imagined. I think it was enough for Cindy to purchase another washer.
Its that blatent cover up that really gets me.

[Tia]

From your link:

"Cnn just announced that George and Cindy will release the “evidence” themselves. Hmm, did Brad bail? Probably not."

Like putting out a fire with gasoline.

I am embarassed FOR them. Maybe Brad is embarassed too and did bail.

[Scampi]

I am having a very difficult time understanding that there were no epithelial cells attached to the adhesive portion of the duct tape. This makes no sense at all.

Seriously? After five months in a swamp, at times underwater?

[jakee]

ATTORNEY: CASEY EVIDENCE PROBLOMATIC

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html


The Attorney also said that no hairs showing signs of decomposition were found in the car used by Casey Anthony:confused:

HE also said the duct tape isn't a match

Caylee Marie:wub:

:confused: well whose car was that death band hair found in then? Is there a difference between death band and decomposing? I am confused.

[Dtviewer3]

Ahh, so it seems the 'evidence' Brad claimed he had is all just spin. Smoke and Mirrors.

About the duct tape, he says it doesnt match the tape found at the Anthony's house. Meaning the roll of tape. BUT he doesnt mention it is identical to the tape found at the Anthony's house on the Gas can.

About the hair with the death band, he says no hair with signs of de-comp was found in Caseys car. That is NOT what the FBI said. The FBI said: "an email from August of 2008 an FBI tech from the trace evidence unit said, “I can't say absolutely the hair came from a dead body but it is consistent. The tech also says the hair is microscopically similar hair on Caylee Anthony’s brush."

And last, there was a small amount of unidentified DNA found on the Duct tape that cant be matched to anyone. What he didnt mention was that it is so small it cant be tested against the LE who handled the evidence.

All hot air and not one provable 'fact' from Brad today.
The only people his 'evidence' will impress is someone who doesnt pay attention to the wording.

This does nothing for the defense. Zero.

[desmom]

Anthonys Release Reports On Duct Tape Tests
http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

In a press conference on Wednesday, Brad Conway released more than 1,000 pages of documents, including the results of a FBI test that indicate that fibers taken from the duct tape across Caylee Anthony's mouth do not match similar fibers from tape that was across the Anthony family's gas can in their garage. This contradicts earlier reports that there was some sort of evidentiary match between tape found on Caylee's skull and tape found at the Anthony's home.

[Barbara fl.]

Re: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html

Sources said information Conway is expected to release will show that duct tape found at the crime scene does not match duct tape recovered from the Anthony home

Report from FBI dated 12/19/08 - page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf (My notes: Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.)

Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared to the Q66 piece of duct tape removed from the Q65 gas can. Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.


I believe that Dominic Casey will say anything that he thinks the Anthony's want to hear....He too has been caught in lies...The tape not coming from the same roll is about significant as Cindy saying "if there is a dog there must be a Zanny"....

No telling where she got the tape from, or if she kept the roll , or if she had it in the car all along....I really do not see any problems as to where the tape came from...the problem is that it showed up wrapped around a child's head that was never reported missing by her mother.....To me that is more damaging then where the tape was bought or where it came from...If it was just one small roll and she used it all up on Caylee, would that indicate to the defense that Casey didn't do it?

I guess they have to go thru every bit of evidence they have, but unless the evidence points in another direction, I really do not see the point...But then again I'm not an attorney :laugh:

[LadyHam]

Seriously? After five months in a swamp, at times underwater?

I agree. It seems that the evidence at the crime scene had enough time to be deteriorated by the elements so that it couldn't provide any valuable information to either pinpoint Casey as the culprit or exonerate her. I've always thought that the forensics in this case isn't what is going to get her convicted. I think it is the CE evidence of her behavior and lies, and most especially her not reporting Caylee missing, ever. Yes, Caylee was reported missing 31 days after she had vanished, but by Cindy, not Casey. Casey never reported her missing.

[Sun]

I am having a very difficult time understanding that there were no epithelial cells attached to the adhesive portion of the duct tape. This makes no sense at all.

Have you reviewed the pics provided in the earlier Discovery, of what could be the duct tape found on Suburban Drive? The pics that I saw, showed the recovered pieces of duct tape to be in extremely poor condition. The elements could easily have degraded any possible DNA that was initially stuck to the tape, IMO.

I have always wondered how a lab would remove dirt and crud from something, yet be able to retain the important evidence that they hope to find. I'm trying to imagine the condition that the duct tape was found in. It is not a pretty image.

[Barbara fl.]

Ahh, so it seems the 'evidence' Brad claimed he had is all just spin. Smoke and Mirrors.

About the duct tape, he says it doesnt match the tape found at the Anthony's house. Meaning the roll of tape. BUT he doesnt mention it is identical to the tape found at the Anthony's house on the Gas can.

About the hair with the death band, he says no hair with signs of de-comp was found in Caseys car. That is NOT what the FBI said. The FBI said: "an email from August of 2008 an FBI tech from the trace evidence unit said, “I can't say absolutely the hair came from a dead body but it is consistent. The tech also says the hair is microscopically similar hair on Caylee Anthony’s brush."

And last, there was a small amount of unidentified DNA found on the Duct tape that cant be matched to anyone. What he didnt mention was that it is so small it cant be tested against the LE who handled the evidence.

All hot air and not one provable 'fact' from Brad today.
The only people his 'evidence' will impress is someone who doesnt pay attention to the wording.

This does nothing for the defense. Zero.


Is Conway representing Casey or Cindy and George? Did Baez take him on board as well? And where did he get this info from? (the doc's don't say that)


I'm with you...this does absolutely nothing for the defense.....

I think the ANTHONY'S are getting closer to the trial and want to throw somethings out there for any potential juror's (it's called desperation)...They think they can outsmart any and everybody....

[Barbara fl.]

While thinking about the "new" outline in the trunk and the old GA description of the basketball stain; the stain on caseys pants had to have been significantly visible and oderous, more so than imagined. I think it was enough for Cindy to purchase another washer.
Its that blatent cover up that really gets me.


Your right.....they started the coverup with the washing of Casey's clothes in that trunk.....

[Dunlurken]

We all know the facts. Listen to the 911 call again. Smells like a dead body in the car. Forensics will be very difficult to play out in this one, which is why I think circumstial evidence will take this case a long way.

Defense can put up all the smoke and mirrors they want to, but it ain't going to wash. I think we all know who killed Caylee. And it wasn't Cindy or George. JMO.

[neid_77]

Anthonys Release Reports On Duct Tape Tests
http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

In a press conference on Wednesday, Brad Conway released more than 1,000 pages of documents, including the results of a FBI test that indicate that fibers taken from the duct tape across Caylee Anthony's mouth do not match similar fibers from tape that was across the Anthony family's gas can in their garage. This contradicts earlier reports that there was some sort of evidentiary match between tape found on Caylee's skull and tape found at the Anthony's home.

I still would love to know how excactly Brad Conway was allowed to release any evidence when he is not part of casey's defense team nor has any part of the murder case...i am quite confused about this:confused:

does the state have a blackeye right now? I would really like to know something becouse the state is in a fight right now and the way it seems the tide has turned some...it is going to be very interesting at the next court date....I GET HUGE HUGE SHIVERS THINKING ABOUT HOW possibly BIAAZZZ AND CINDY ANTHONY..."IF" "IF" she get's off. is it going to be really hard know for the prosecution to prove murder if the best evidence they have has been complicated! with the defense she has amassed....it just makes me sad:crying:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree. It seems that the evidence at the crime scene had enough time to be deteriorated by the elements so that it couldn't provide any valuable information to either pinpoint Casey as the culprit or exonerate her. I've always thought that the forensics in this case isn't what is going to get her convicted. I think it is the CE evidence of her behavior and lies, and most especially her not reporting Caylee missing, ever. Yes, Caylee was reported missing 31 days after she had vanished, but by Cindy, not Casey. Casey never reported her missing.

Exactly.....The defense can not exonerate her so they will toss anything out there

[WillowInFlight]

Is Conway representing Casey or Cindy and George? Did Baez take him on board as well? And where did he get this info from? (the doc's don't say that)


I'm with you...this does absolutely nothing for the defense.....

I think the ANTHONY'S are getting closer to the trial and want to throw somethings out there for any potential juror's (it's called desperation)...They think they can outsmart any and everybody....

ITA, they need to remember this is the State vs Casey Anthony, God willing the state will have their chance at George and Cindy. I wonder what theatrics Cindy and George are planning. Suicide attempt, alien abduction.

[LadyHam]

Anthonys Release Reports On Duct Tape Tests
http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

In a press conference on Wednesday, Brad Conway released more than 1,000 pages of documents, including the results of a FBI test that indicate that fibers taken from the duct tape across Caylee Anthony's mouth do not match similar fibers from tape that was across the Anthony family's gas can in their garage. This contradicts earlier reports that there was some sort of evidentiary match between tape found on Caylee's skull and tape found at the Anthony's home.

Bolding by me.....

Is this report specifically talking about the fibers of the tape itself, or extra fibers that might have adhered to the sticky surface of the tape from sources such as carpet fibers, clothing, or other fabric, etc?

[Barbara fl.]

We all know the facts. Listen to the 911 call again. Smells like a dead body in the car. Forensics will be very difficult to play out in this one, which is why I think circumstial evidence will take this case a long way.

Defense can put up all the smoke and mirrors they want to, but it ain't going to wash. I think we all know who killed Caylee. And it wasn't Cindy or George. JMO.

My opinion as well.......

[Dtviewer3]

Anthonys Release Reports On Duct Tape Tests
http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

In a press conference on Wednesday, Brad Conway released more than 1,000 pages of documents, including the results of a FBI test that indicate that fibers taken from the duct tape across Caylee Anthony's mouth do not match similar fibers from tape that was across the Anthony family's gas can in their garage. This contradicts earlier reports that there was some sort of evidentiary match between tape found on Caylee's skull and tape found at the Anthony's home.


Hmmm. I would like to read those test results myself. Hope what he 'released' gets posted soon.

[Dunlurken]

I agree. It seems that the evidence at the crime scene had enough time to be deteriorated by the elements so that it couldn't provide any valuable information to either pinpoint Casey as the culprit or exonerate her. I've always thought that the forensics in this case isn't what is going to get her convicted. I think it is the CE evidence of her behavior and lies, and most especially her not reporting Caylee missing, ever. Yes, Caylee was reported missing 31 days after she had vanished, but by Cindy, not Casey. Casey never reported her missing.

That's the case in a nutshell. JMO.

[Dtviewer3]

Bolding by me.....

Is this report specifically talking about the fibers of the tape itself, or extra fibers that might have adhered to the sticky surface of the tape from sources such as carpet fibers, clothing, or other fabric, etc?


Great observation LadyHam.

[sydney]

Hmmm. I would like to read those test results myself. Hope what he 'released' gets posted soon.

couldn't it be that there were TWO rolls of this duct tape and one was disposed of after it was used to cover caylee's face?

that would be my first thought.

[sydney]

why haven't kc's experts done their own testing and released their reports. isn't that what they were hired for? to refute the fbi and le evidence?

[Dtviewer3]

couldn't it be that there were TWO rolls of this duct tape and one was disposed of after it was used to cover caylee's face?

that would be my first thought.

LadyHam made a great point.

Is the report talking about fibers found ON the duct tape, or the fibers of the duct tape itself?

[Spots]

The duct tape not matching any other duct tape found in the Anthony home does not negate the fact that *three lengths* of *some* duct tape was found across Caylee's mouth and nose.

[Tia]

Is Conway representing Casey or Cindy and George? Did Baez take him on board as well? And where did he get this info from? (the doc's don't say that)


I'm with you...this does absolutely nothing for the defense.....

I think the ANTHONY'S are getting closer to the trial and want to throw somethings out there for any potential juror's (it's called desperation)...They think they can outsmart any and everybody....

ITA, it does nothing.

The Anthony's have zero credibility and have proven time and time again to be anything but truthful.

[LadyHam]

We all know the facts. Listen to the 911 call again. Smells like a dead body in the car. Forensics will be very difficult to play out in this one, which is why I think circumstial evidence will take this case a long way.

Defense can put up all the smoke and mirrors they want to, but it ain't going to wash. I think we all know who killed Caylee. And it wasn't Cindy or George. JMO.

Bolding by me....

I agree. The forensic evidence from the car and trunk had already been through a clean up by the time LE got to process it, and the forensics from the crime scene was sitting out in the elements for almost 6 months before it was collected. The CE is what is going to be most important to this case when it finally goes to trial.

[desmom]

Hmmm. I would like to read those test results myself. Hope what he 'released' gets posted soon.

Ditto... :seeya:

[jakee]

Hmmm. I would like to read those test results myself. Hope what he 'released' gets posted soon.

Ok, dumb question. How does he have these results, and why weren't they released yesterday with everything else. Or were they?

[Dtviewer3]

Bolding by me....

I agree. The forensic evidence from the car and trunk had already been through a clean up by the time LE got to process it, and the forensics from the crime scene was sitting out in the elements for almost 6 months before it was collected. The CE is what is going to be most important to this case when it finally goes to trial.

Agreed 100%.

(BTW, Forensics ARE CE. Everything except an eyewitness or confession is considered CE. DNA, fingerprints, etc are all CE)

[desmom]

Defense files motion to ditch murder, child-abuse charges against Casey Anthony
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-new-evidence-093009,0,1049758.story

Casey Anthony's defense team filed specific motions today to have the two most serious charges against her removed -- first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse....

But in the most recent filing, attorneys argue that the state doesn't have enough evidence to prove either the murder charge or the child-abuse charge.

[kakax]

why haven't kc's experts done their own testing and released their reports. isn't that what they were hired for? to refute the fbi and le evidence?

Didn't you know? Cindy and George are experts...





in something but it's not forensics.

[Barbara fl.]

The size of the area where the remains were discovered was very large and there was garbage that had been dumped there unrelated to this case. It is quite possible that there are more pieces of duct tape in the area that have nothing to do with Caylee other than they were close in proximity and collected as "potential" evidence.

I'm sure the FDLE/FBI tested every piece of duct tape and some did not match the Henkel found with the body or within the home.

JMO

The only way Casey would have stood a fraction of a chance was if the body was never found.....And even then it would have been hard....The body sealed the case....

So now Cindy got this brain storm of an idea to throw out there that Caylee is still alive and the body that was found is not Caylee....This woman will stop at nothing....she's nuts......

[Dunlurken]

Just try and suggest that the "air" in the car shows decomp based on test results from the air, is completely dumb. Prosecution doesn't even need to go there, or they will lose the jury.

The forensics and that crazy picture of Caylee in the fetal position (decomposing) sorry for that, do not make sense. I've looked at that photo many times, and I DO NOT see anything. JMO.

ETA: The dogs aren't credible either. They are not infallible. JMO.

[desmom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/30/sources_duct_tape_evidence_in_casey_case_doesn39t_ add_up.html
Conway handed out about a dozen pages of discovery that have not yet been released by the State Attorney's Office or the defense. He said the pages prove that duct tape found in the Anthony home and at the crime scene do not match. He also said there is some mystery DNA that could link someone else other than Casey to Caylee's murder.

Conway said it is not his job to defend Casey, but there has been so much speculation about what happened, and that the Anthony family has been so much stress that he wanted to address it head on and stop the speculation.

[sydney]

Didn't you know? Cindy and George are experts...

in something but it's not forensics.

these findings may have pulled a tad more weight if the defense experts had come up with them - well, not to me.

but isn't a dangerous game to intimate that le and fbi are deliberately withholding evidence?

[Dunlurken]

Agreed 100%.

(BTW, Forensics ARE CE. Everything except an eyewitness or confession is considered CE. DNA, fingerprints, etc are all CE)
DNA and fingerprints are forensic evidence, not circumstantial evidence.
JMO.

[Dtviewer3]

Just a heads up.

It seems Brad Conway WAS talking about Fibers found ON the duct tape not being a match.

NOT that the duct tape didnt match. Which from the FBI reports we know they do match.

[LadyHam]

I still would love to know how excactly Brad Conway was allowed to release any evidence when he is not part of casey's defense team nor has any part of the murder case...i am quite confused about this:confused:

does the state have a blackeye right now? I would really like to know something becouse the state is in a fight right now and the way it seems the tide has turned some...it is going to be very interesting at the next court date....I GET HUGE HUGE SHIVERS THINKING ABOUT HOW possibly BIAAZZZ AND CINDY ANTHONY..."IF" "IF" she get's off. is it going to be really hard know for the prosecution to prove murder if the best evidence they have has been complicated! with the defense she has amassed....it just makes me sad:crying:

Bolding by me.....

Well, if the state has most of its evidence out there, then the defense has plenty of time before trial to refute it and spin it to their favor. I don't see it as the tide is turning so much as the defense is just getting a chance to evaluate all the evidence and try to use it to their favor. To me it seems like they are picking up on small things. Well, not small things, but things that they can somehow spin and then use their smoke and mirrors on to create reasonable doubt. If the defense really had anything big to get Casey off, they would have already gone to LE w/that information and gotten Casey out of jail.

[Barbara fl.]

Just try and suggest that the "air" in the car shows decomp based on test results from the air, is completely dumb. Prosecution doesn't even need to go there, or they will lose the jury.

The forensics and that crazy picture of Caylee in the fetal position (decomposing) sorry for that, do not make sense. I've looked at that photo many times, and I DO NOT see anything. JMO.

ETA: The dogs aren't credible either. They are not infallible. JMO.



I agree...I think the pros should stay with all the facts and not give the defense anything to rebut....once the defense gets a hold of something being out of sort, they will run it in the ground over and over again to the jurors.....

These thing are not important...leave it to the defense to bring them up and then the state can ride on them.....

[desmom]

Anthonys’ Attorney Releases “New Evidence” In Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/21160448/detail.html

The Anthonys attorney held a news conference at his downtown office Wednesday and released new documents that the defense has just given to the Anthonys, which have not been released publicly through ongoing records requests.

[seeing_eye]

So where is the evidence he said he would release today: http://www.wesh.com/news/21145778/detail.html

Brad Conway said the evidence he intends to release contains information the state "should have released today, but didn't."

BBM

Yeah, where IS the evidence? All he produced was spin on evidence we already have.

[Dtviewer3]

DNA and fingerprints are forensic evidence, not circumstantial evidence.
JMO.

Wrong. Forensic evidence, including DNA and Fingerprints are considered CE.

(There is Direct evidence, and Circumstantial Evidence.)

[smileyjoe]

Just try and suggest that the "air" in the car shows decomp based on test results from the air, is completely dumb. Prosecution doesn't even need to go there, or they will lose the jury.

The forensics and that crazy picture of Caylee in the fetal position (decomposing) sorry for that, do not make sense. I've looked at that photo many times, and I DO NOT see anything. JMO.

ETA: The dogs aren't credible either. They are not infallible. JMO.


I couldn't see the stain either until I watched this video. About 20 seconds in.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/09/30/ng.tot.mom.trunk.photo.cnn

[kakax]

Just a heads up.

It seems Brad Conway WAS talking about Fibers found ON the duct tape not being a match.

NOT that the duct tape didnt match. Which from the FBI reports we know they do match.


Big whoop. No one would suggest they match. That gas can has had more trips around town than a family on vacation visiting Disney World.

Good luck to Brad, C and G. They have firmly established themselves as liars, twisters of truth, and masters of deception.

[Dunlurken]

I agree...I think the pros should stay with all the facts and not give the defense anything to rebut....once the defense gets a hold of something being out of sort, they will run it in the ground over and over again to the jurors.....

These thing are not important...leave it to the defense to bring them up and then the state can ride on them.....

You know what I find interesting? The fact that LE released the documents to see what would "fly" with the public. They are building their case, slowly but surely. JMO.

[kakax]

Wrong. Forensic evidence, including DNA and Fingerprints are considered CE.

(There is Direct evidence, and Circumstantial Evidence.)

Don't you get tired of repeating yourself over and over? You need this to be on your clipboard so you can just hit paste every time it comes up.

[LadyHam]

Agreed 100%.

(BTW, Forensics ARE CE. Everything except an eyewitness or confession is considered CE. DNA, fingerprints, etc are all CE)

Bolding by me....

Thank you so much for that clarification. :seeya: I didn't know that.

[Dtviewer3]

You know what I find interesting? The fact that LE released the documents to see what would "fly" with the public. They are building their case, slowly but surely. JMO.

LE did not release the documents to see what would 'fly' with the public.

They released the documents to the defense, because they have to.
The Media then requested those documents through the sunshine laws in Florida.

LE had nothing to do with any release to the public.

[seeing_eye]

Seriously? After five months in a swamp, at times underwater?

I would be thoroughly surprised, even a little incredulous, if any cells or dna was found to have survived those conditions for that long unless contaminated by animals and possibly other people.

[Barbara fl.]

Anthonys’ Attorney Releases “New Evidence” In Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/21160448/detail.html

The Anthonys attorney held a news conference at his downtown office Wednesday and released new documents that the defense has just given to the Anthonys, which have not been released publicly through ongoing records requests.


What I would like to know is why were these "so called docs" released to the Anthony's thru Conway?....Could it be for the purpose of having these things stated on the media and the defense wont have to prove what it says?

They are all gettng very desperate....they are trying every trick in the book.....One has to laugh, because none of this means diddly...Casey is still sitting in jail charged with murder one...and that is where she is staying........for ever and ever and ever..:biggrin:

[Dtviewer3]

Don't you get tired of repeating yourself over and over? You need this to be on your clipboard so you can just hit paste every time it comes up.



Awww, you DO remember me from the Melanie McGuire case.....:wink:

[Sun]

ITA, it does nothing.

The Anthony's have zero credibility and have proven time and time again to be anything but truthful.

I do believe that I would believe a cadavor dog's nose/actions, over Cindy's opinion/words, in regards to the odor of the car. Shucks, even Lee admitted "the smell that I smelled for the first time." Even George thought it was the smell of decomp.

There is enough to make me sure that the trunk of the car contained a decomposing body. Unless the defense can show me that it was a body other than Caylee's, my common sense tells me that directly connects Casey to the crime of Caylee's death.

It is such a shame that Caylee's own family shows her so little respect, that they continue to support and lie for her killer. Their day will come. Justice will be served.