Tuesday, 9/29/09

[Dove]

Morning. Awating the document release, it's supposed to be thousands of pages.

[Sun]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf

Here is the first link that I've found for today's doc dump.

[BettyC]

Sentinels been updating

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-caylee-092909,0,3058472.story

[Dove]

Courtesy of Sun -

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf

[KittyMom]

Strange. I was looking for info on the doc dump and Caylee's board was closed.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092909anthonycaseducktap/indexGallery.htm

Duct Tape Product Specification Report

[KittyMom]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092909anthonycaseanniedowninginterview010609/indexGallery.htm

Transcript of Annie Downing interview.

[Dove]

Wow, that reads like a hit list. So sad, they should have been concerned with finding the nanny. If they believed their daughter of course.

I especially don't like they were after Nancy Grace. What's wrong with these people?
MO

[KittyMom]

Geez! DCasey's quite the little paranoia prone fellow, isn't he?

From your link:

Interesting. I wonder if there is any way that M&M can use this info in ZFG's civil case?

[Scampi]

Courtesy of Sun -

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf

Thank you for posting this. The first thing I see on page One is talk of Zenaida, which I believe her attorney Mr. Morgan will find useful in the civil action.

LOL, Kitty we're on the same page.

[denjet]

Morning! They're all here! And early at that! :biggrin:

New Info Released In Anthony Case (http://www.clickorlando.com/health/21139699/detail.html)

ETA: late as usual, just ignore ... only on first cup of coffee ....

[KittyMom]

I don't know, KM. It's just so ridiculous on its face ... isn't it? ZG was the one making accusations? Are you kidding me?

And her atty is an exhibitionist. :confused: What, does he not wear clothes?

[KittyMom]

Thank you for posting this. The first thing I see on page One is talk of Zenaida, which I believe her attorney Mr. Morgan will find useful in the civil action.

LOL, Kitty we're on the same page.

Yes we are. I really think this will show that attention was on ZFG. I mean come on...gang tattoos? How would they know unless they were looking at her photos closely even through they say they never thought she was THE Zanny?

[Sun]

Thank you for posting this. The first thing I see on page One is talk of Zenaida, which I believe her attorney Mr. Morgan will find useful in the civil action.

LOL, Kitty we're on the same page.

Yes, Morgan/Mitnik will be very interested, IMO.

[denjet]

Why do I suspect we're about to see 1,000 more pages of proof Caylee was the last thing on her family's mind, as they worried about their own safety from protesters ... and got D. Casey busy deputizing Lee Anthony as junior PI ... and complained to LE about the persecution of Casey? :mad:

Pretty telling, huh
Could be why NG and news shows are cooling it a little on the case ?
One thing's clear, this family was more intent on going after people who weren't going along with their agenda, than they were in finding Caylee!

[KittyMom]

LMAO @ NG carrying a weapon. :lol:

If they mean her mouth, then, yeah, she's loaded. lol

[denjet]

Interesting. I wonder if there is any way that M&M can use this info in ZFG's civil case?
It's public record now so I would think they can ...

[KittyMom]

Everyone concerned with the Anthonys would like to promote the idea John Morgan is representing Z. Gonzales for the "publicity." I *think* that's what is meant by he's an "exhibitionist."

I'm thinking Mr. Morgan will not be happy to read that little tidbit this morning with his coffee. :w00t:

Oh, yeah, I'm sure Mr. Morgan is all smiles. Cindy has made his job so easy should he decide to go after her in a civil court. lol

[KittyMom]

It's public record now so I would think they can ...

hmmm, I remember hearing Morgan tell Judge R that he didn't need to press the deposition of Cindy as he could get what he needed from FBI docs. Maybe this is what he was referring to. :thumbup:

[Scampi]

Yes, Morgan/Mitnik will be very interested, IMO.

Hiya Sunnie, thanks for getting us off to such a great start.

:thumbsup:

[denjet]

So my second impression, skimming the 100 page PDF at clickorlando, is the length people went to find Casey's imagi-friends and associates. Looks to me like way too many innocent people who were unfortunate enough to have the name "Julia" or "Samantha" or whatever, were being investigated by the Anthonys and their representatives, plus members of the public (FLB's included), trying to make truth out of Casey's outrageous lies.

It's so disturbing to me that a known liar like Casey could set off this type of firestorm and so many innocent, unsuspecting people's lives were being probed. :mad:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf

Interesting ... it puts together pieces of KC's lies and shows how she wove all the names together ...

I noticed the letter of agreement between Dominic and the Anthonys is not notorized but is witness by none other than the Milsteads !! :lol:

[Sun]

Just found the mugshots of those that were "dis-invited" to the memorial service. (page 13 of that link) LP heads the list.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf

[Barbara fl.]

Didn't see this and I started a new thread...so just ingor mine......
Barbara fl.


Glad to see whereback up and running...

Hope to get thru all the doc dump today....

[Sun]

Hoover was on the list. So was NG, KBelich, Kronk

Even Zenaida Gonzales!!!

[apothecary]

So my second impression, skimming the 100 page PDF at clickorlando, is the length people went to find Casey's imagi-friends and associates. Looks to me like way too many innocent people who were unfortunate enough to have the name "Julia" or "Samantha" or whatever, were being investigated by the Anthonys and their representatives, plus members of the public (FLB's included), trying to make truth out of Casey's outrageous lies.

It's so disturbing to me that a known liar like Casey could set off this type of firestorm and so many innocent, unsuspecting people's lives were being probed. :mad:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf
That is what I noticed right away.All that energy and resources to try to deflect the suspicion away from Casey and onto some non person or any person that had contact with her.What a huge waste.Caylee was not even mentioned once from what I read.

[KittyMom]

I have a question I hope someone can answer.

By giving Lee a sponsorship as a PI, does that mean that anything that Lee works on is considered work product and there by inadmissible in court?

[need2no]

Does anyone else find it a tad interesting in the pic of 'a' Zenaida Dominick sent to Cindy she is wearing a flag dress?

Pg. 30 Click Orlando link

[Ellie]

Does anyone else find it a tad interesting in the pic of 'a' Zenaida Dominick sent to Cindy she is wearing a flag dress?

Pg. 30 Click Orlando link

YES. VERY. I just logged on to say this very thing. She also does somewhat resemble Casey, no? Same hair, build, etc.

[KittyMom]

Wonder what Lesa Conway is thinking about now? :scared:

[need2no]

I noticed that. Must be quite the fashion statement among 20-somethings. Or something.

Guess I need to do a better job of keeping up with fashion if this is all the rage. :wink:

Not that it means anything.. but the Zenaida pictured certainly looks more like the Zenaida casey described.

[BettyC]

and don't you just wonder WHAT the fact that Jessica Donofrio is having an affair with a detective has to do with finding Caylee?

[need2no]

YES. VERY. I just logged on to say this very thing. She also does somewhat resemble Casey, no? Same hair, build, etc.

Yes, even has tan lines showing like casey did. LK-weird.

[Scampi]

This is just, well ... :cursing:

Looks like Amy H. brought a relative with her to Caylee's memorial, and both signed the memorial book.

So Cindy forwards Amy's relative's name to D. Casey to investigate.

Nice, huh? :angry:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf
page 43 of 100

I just am astounded to learn the lengths to which the anthonys have gone, to implicate totally innocent people. All the while turning a deaf ear and blind eye to all the incriminating evidence against their daughter.

IMO, the public will not react well to this information, nor should they.

[Sun]

Dec 8, 2008 email from Cindy to John Allen....

"... I would like to correct you on one thing. Dominic Casey with D&A Investigations is not part of the defense team. They work directly for George and I for the sole purpose of finding Caylee Marie. ..."

Perhaps Morgan/Mitnik need to question DCasey as to why his own client would send this type of statement to LE.

[Dunlurken]

Courtesy of Sun -

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf

Good Lord! That's the biggest bunch of garbage I've ever seen. Whoever that Dominic guy is, he's in deep doo-doo for hindering an investigation. JMO. They all "covered-up".

[denjet]

This is just, well ... :cursing:

Looks like Amy H. brought a relative with her to Caylee's memorial, and both signed the memorial book.

So Cindy forwards Amy's relative's name to D. Casey to investigate.

Nice, huh? :angry:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf
page 43 of 100

Wow, Wow, Wow is all I can say .. have you all noticed the emails back and forth on Dominic's and Cindy's witchhunt are in April, May, June of 2009!! Wasn't the DP put back on the table in March 2009 ...

Where are all the ones that took place in 2008 when they were still looking for a "live" Caylee ???

I hope the rest of the docs are just as interesting ... :thumbsup:

[BettyC]

Here's a possible "oops" by Cindy and of interest to John Morgan !

Page 37 -

I would like to correct you on one point. Dominic Casey is NOT part of the defense team. They work directly for George and I. Dated 12/8/08

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf


eta: n/m Sun found it first. lol

[Dunlurken]

Let's implicate this one. Let's implicate that one. And what's with the picture of a child who is supposedly an older child living in PR? :rolleyes: I forget the date, but Caylee was obviously no longer with us by then. JMO.

Man, talk about grasphing at straws.

[Dunlurken]

Here's a possible "oops" by Cindy and of interest to John Morgan !

Page 37 -

I would like to correct you on one point. Dominic Casey is NOT part of the defense team. They work directly for George and I. Dated 12/8/08

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf


eta: n/m Sun found it first. lolBefore Caylee's remains were found. So it's kind of irrelevant. JMO.

[KittyMom]

YES. VERY. I just logged on to say this very thing. She also does somewhat resemble Casey, no? Same hair, build, etc.

Wasn't that a spoof site? Said she was in PR and then had a photo of a child in a cap and glasses that looked like Caylee. I think it was meant as a gag.

[Sun]

Here's a possible "oops" by Cindy and of interest to John Morgan !

Page 37 -

I would like to correct you on one point. Dominic Casey is NOT part of the defense team. They work directly for George and I. Dated 12/8/08

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf


eta: n/m Sun found it first. lol

Whew! I am only part way through part II, and think I need a break already. Perhaps Cindy will find her way into the courtroom, (Judge Rodriguez's courtroom) to answer also.

[Dunlurken]

Wasn't that a spoof site? Said she was in PR and then had a photo of a child in a cap and glasses that looked like Caylee. I think it was meant as a gag.

It's really sad that the Anthony's can't read the writing on the wall. JMO. That child looked nothing like Caylee. JMO.

[BettyC]

Before Caylee's remains were found. So it's kind of irrelevant. JMO.

It is NOT irrlevant.

[Sun]

Before Caylee's remains were found. So it's kind of irrelevant. JMO.

But not before DCasey was out searching on Suburban Road.

[BettyC]

Whew! I am only part way through part II, and think I need a break already. Perhaps Cindy will find her way into the courtroom, (Judge Rodriguez's courtroom) to answer also.

I'm sure Morgan's office is on top of this.

As Scamp said, it is amazing how much time, effort and money has been wasted all based on Casey's lies.

[denjet]

Does anyone else find it a tad interesting in the pic of 'a' Zenaida Dominick sent to Cindy she is wearing a flag dress?

Pg. 30 Click Orlando link
yep ... not only a flag dress, she looks similar to Casey doesn't she ... so poor Casey was probably mistaken for Zanny ...
These people definitely started coming up with all this after the state sought the DP for the second time ...

[SoggyBayou]

WFTV doc link.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21146562/detail.html

Private Eye's "Characters of Interest" Chart
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147464/detail.html

DNA Paternity Test For Jesse Grund
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147427/detail.html

FBI DNA Investigation, Other Reports
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

Henkel Duck Tape Product Specifications
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html

Annie Downing 01/06/09 Interview Transcript
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147471/detail.html

[KittyMom]

:laugh: They even mention murt.

[BettyC]

WFTV doc link.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21146562/detail.html

Private Eye's "Characters of Interest" Chart
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147464/detail.html

DNA Paternity Test For Jesse Grund
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147427/detail.html

FBI DNA Investigation, Other Reports
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

Henkel Duck Tape Product Specifications
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html

Annie Downing 01/06/09 Interview Transcript
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147471/detail.html


Thanks Soggy - I need a mental health break before I continue with this doc dump. lol

[Dunlurken]

It is NOT irrlevant.

What is the relevancy? :confused: Caylee was found on December 11. Any e-mails prior to that mean nothing. JMO.

[Ellie]

Wasn't that a spoof site? Said she was in PR and then had a photo of a child in a cap and glasses that looked like Caylee. I think it was meant as a gag.

Oh-- I honestly don't know-- I just was commenting on the picture of "Zenaida".

[Barbara fl.]

This is just, well ... :cursing:

Looks like Amy H. brought a relative with her to Caylee's memorial, and both signed the memorial book.

So Cindy forwards Amy's relative's name to D. Casey to investigate.

Nice, huh? :angry:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf
page 43 of 100

It appears that Cindy is ready to throw anyone and everyone under the bus for darling murderer...

[Dunlurken]

Oh-- I honestly don't know-- I just was commenting on the picture of "Zenaida".

There is no Zanny the Nanny. A poor unfortunate woman just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. JMO. And Casey took advantage of her as well.

[KittyMom]

Oops...p70. Looks like Brad wasn't keeping Dom in the loop.

[Dunlurken]

Oh, here's another beauty ...

Timer55, according to D. Casey's investigative efforts, is chat room software you can use to make you appear you're on your computer when you're not.

So D. Casey tells Cindy, "If someone was tampering with Casey's computer, they could make it appear like she is at home, when in fact, she is elsewhere."

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf
page 76

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:I saw that. Who released these documents, prosecution I would think. This is more damming than the physical evidence. JMO.

[KittyMom]

What is the relevancy? :confused: Caylee was found on December 11. Any e-mails prior to that mean nothing. JMO.

In the civial suit DC has said that he was working for all parties involved. This is further proof that he lied on the stand.

[need2no]

:laugh: They even mention murt.

Yes, and what was stated about him shocked me. I've got to go back and try to read that line by line.

[BettyC]

What is the relevancy? :confused: Caylee was found on December 11. Any e-mails prior to that mean nothing. JMO.

Is this consistent with what Dominic Casey recently testified under oath to?

[Barbara fl.]

Dec 8, 2008 email from Cindy to John Allen....

"... I would like to correct you on one thing. Dominic Casey with D&A Investigations is not part of the defense team. They work directly for George and I for the sole purpose of finding Caylee Marie. ..."

Perhaps Morgan/Mitnik need to question DCasey as to why his own client would send this type of statement to LE.


I loved that part....:biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

In the civial suit DC has said that he was working for all parties involved. This is further proof that he lied on the stand.

I keep saying everybody's going down right along with Casey. No one seems to believe me.

Cindy was/is "desparate" to save her daughter. She needs to rethink her opinion of her child.

[ish]

Annie Downing statement: her father saw Casey in a liquor store July 5th and tells Annie. Annie asks Casey did you have Caylee with you, Casey " I wouldn't bring my daughter to a liquor store, are you crazy"

What a nut, her kid is rotting in a trash bag alongside the road and she's offended that someone thinks she took her into a liquor store!!

[martha]

boy I hope this is putting casey where she belong.I have not had a chance to read the doc.but it sound like there is a lot of stuff in there for the proc.I will keep reading because i want justice for Caylee.jmho

[KittyMom]

Starting on page 86...

Am I understanding correctly that Crystal Sparks and LP are emailing back and forth and someone named TracyDawn has forwarded those emails on to Cindy who shared them with Jose but not Brad? Would Tracy Dawn be the Tracy that spent time in the Anthony's home? The Tracy that works for LP?

[MiamiNice1]

It's not that I'm surprised by any of this. Just infuriated, as usual.

Imagine if just one tenth of the time and energy spent trying to find someone else to pin this on had been spent in Casey's face, demanding she tell the truth.

This is ALL I can think when reading through this pile of ........! WHAT ABOUT CAYLEE? Trying to pin the blame on anyone they can get a name for!! Shameless people!

LOL - Page 81 - so Dominic Casey thinks Sasha Morales fits Casey's decription of ZG?? He thinks SHE'S a 10? :laugh:

Back to reading.

imo

[Sun]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146692.pdf

(page 20) email from DCAsey to Cindy on Oct 2 (and email to Jose is attached)

"Cindy, FYI as requested is our withdrawal of services to Jose"

[need2no]

Starting on page 86...

Am I understanding correctly that Crystal Sparks and LP are emailing back and forth and someone named TracyDawn has forwarded those emails on to Cindy who shared them with Jose but not Brad? Would Tracy Dawn be the Tracy that spent time in the Anthony's home? The Tracy that works for LP?

I thought Tracy's last name was McLaughlin.

[Jester]

Just found the mugshots of those that were "dis-invited" to the memorial service. (page 13 of that link) LP heads the list.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf

Page 16 "attempts will be made to conceal cell phones in shoes"???

Have they been watching too much Get Smart?

[MiamiNice1]

Annie Downing statement: her father saw Casey in a liquor store July 5th and tells Annie. Annie asks Casey did you have Caylee with you, Casey " I wouldn't bring my daughter to a liquor store, are you crazy"

What a nut, her kid is rotting in a trash bag alongside the road and she's offended that someone thinks she took her into a liquor store!!
I know.

*Bangs head against wall!* Argh!!!!!!!!!

[need2no]

Maybe she uses her first and middle name in her e-address?

Very possible.

[Barbara fl.]

I keep saying everybody's going down right along with Casey. No one seems to believe me.

Cindy was/is "desparate" to save her daughter. She needs to rethink her opinion of her child.


I'm beginning to believe that...also, I only read once where Cindy states to "LE" that her only concern is to find Caylee (unless I missed something)....The rest seems to have Cindy putting investigations on everyone but CASEY....

[Sun]

Page 16 "attempts will be made to conceal cell phones in shoes"???

Have they been watching too much Get Smart?

:thumbsup: That thought crossed my mind too!!!!

[BettyC]

Starting on page 86...

Am I understanding correctly that Crystal Sparks and LP are emailing back and forth and someone named TracyDawn has forwarded those emails on to Cindy who shared them with Jose but not Brad? Would Tracy Dawn be the Tracy that spent time in the Anthony's home? The Tracy that works for LP?

Wasn't her name McLaughlin or something?


BUT - there does seem to be alot of doublecrossing and back stabbing going on.

[Barbara fl.]

Page 16 "attempts will be made to conceal cell phones in shoes"???

Have they been watching too much Get Smart?


I know...:lol:...I think Cindy will try to become an investigator after this.....:laugh:

[KittyMom]

<THUD> How did I miss the news on Windchime? :scared:

[need2no]

10,21,08 A man was given a citation for trespassing. He parked his car along Suburban and students at the school watched him walk into the woods carrying something (woods where Caylee was found PRIOR to her being found)

Pg. 68


:huh: :confused:

[MiamiNice1]

Page 84/100.

Trying to find a connection between Roy Kronk and Jesse Grund's father 8 years ago in MARYLAND.

These people are DESPERATE. Wouldn't it be SO much easier NOT to believe Casey? The time, stress, money and energy spent on 1,000 wild goose chases when all along.....the true culprit is sitting in Jail a few miles from where they live.

:rolleyes:

imo

[Dunlurken]

Why did anyone think this information is privledged? Once your computer is confiscated in a murder case, it's a free for all. Bunch of idjits, IMO.

[Dunlurken]

What Cindy states and what Cindy does can be very different things, I've noticed. These docs are giving us a view of some of what she was actually doing behind the scenes. She and her PI, Dom.

Not a whisper of George M. Anthony in any of this yet. Interesting.

Absolutely. He knows the truth which is why he ended up in a psych ward. JMO.

[Sun]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146711.pdf

You all just have to read this witness statement!!! Is this the person from the computer store, that was recently added to the State's witness list? ...I'm now going to finish reading his statement.

Luckily, that guy didn't accept checks!

[KittyMom]

What Cindy states and what Cindy does can be very different things, I've noticed. These docs are giving us a view of some of what she was actually doing behind the scenes. She and her PI, Dom.

Not a whisper of George M. Anthony in any of this yet. Interesting.

Nope. Lee seems to have fallen off the radar too.

[MiamiNice1]

What Cindy states and what Cindy does can be very different things, I've noticed. These docs are giving us a view of some of what she was actually doing behind the scenes. She and her PI, Dom.

Not a whisper of George M. Anthony in any of this yet. Interesting.

BBM

Great observation!

[Scampi]

I'm sure Morgan's office is on top of this.

As Scamp said, it is amazing how much time, effort and money has been wasted all based on Casey's lies.

Well, I hope I never hear any of them, brad conway included, say they want the truth. Because according to these documents, they clearly do not.

IMO.

[need2no]

Windchime? Can you point us to what you're reading, KM?

~see page 95~

[MiamiNice1]

I saw that. :laugh: That was just beyond the beyond, wasn't it? Cindy telling Dom it would be "huge" if they could connect RG to Kronk. Just unbelievable.
It FLOORS me.

What is worse - all this shows that Cindy has REFUSED to acknowledge that Casey is the killer. George and Lee being left out says a LOT - mainly, that they are probably no longer in sick denial.

imo

[Sun]

Oh!! as I read further into his statement, it seems as if he saw Casey and Caylee the "day after father's day" at walmart. Is this guy for real?

[Ellie]

...some really, really bizarre stuff is coming out in this doc dump, eh? Something just creepy to me... in this one:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf

... there is first, a chat conversation recorded between 2 people, one of them is talking about going to a mall and doing HORRIFIC things. I want to know who this person is, if he is for real, and if he's been put away (or...worse...) yet. if not, I want to know why.

Also, there is talk of R Grund doing some pretty weird stuff too.

I know who NOT to believe of course... but some of this stuff is just too weird for words.

[BettyC]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146711.pdf

You all just have to read this witness statement!!! Is this the person from the computer store, that was recently added to the State's witness list? ...I'm now going to finish reading his statement.

Luckily, that guy didn't accept checks!

Lucky for him yes. He claims to have seen Caylee on June 16th.

[BettyC]

Oh!! as I read further into his statement, it seems as if he saw Casey and Caylee the "day after father's day" at walmart. Is this guy for real?

LE could have checked out his story via the Walmart tapes. I wonder if they did that?

[KittyMom]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146711.pdf

You all just have to read this witness statement!!! Is this the person from the computer store, that was recently added to the State's witness list? ...I'm now going to finish reading his statement.

Luckily, that guy didn't accept checks!

Poor guy! He seems really torn up about Caylee. Also, very observant about the interaction between mother and child.

[KittyMom]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG

:crying:

[Barbara fl.]

10,21,08 A man was given a citation for trespassing. He parked his car along Suburban and students at the school watched him walk into the woods carrying something (woods where Caylee was found PRIOR to her being found)

Pg. 68


:huh: :confused:


All of it is a bunch of ****, They will never get passed the 31 days of not reporting her daughter missing, they will never get passed Casey bringing LE to a wrong address to where she "supposedly" left her daughter with "ZFG"....they will never get past the decomp smell in the car.....

There is just too much for any of those "investagators :lol:" to get past....Cindy should have used her funds on finding Caylee, but instead used them to try and clear her murderer daughter.....Shows where her priorities were and still is.....

I still have not read one line that indicates that she was looking for Caylee.....D. Casey was hired to put investigations of everyone BUT Casey....(I wonder if this is against the law)...

No doubt in my mind that she started to trust D. Casey enough to confide in him where Caylee remains were...and in hope that they can be hid far enough away as not to be found.....

[Sun]

LE could have checked out his story via the Walmart tapes. I wonder if they did that?

check out the date on his handwritten statement. Not quite sure that Walmart would retain security tapes that long. Receipts yes, but if Casey paid with cash, it would be an impossible search.

[MiamiNice1]

Oh my God, they are really after the Grunds. :ohmy:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146565.pdf
starts on page 89 ... Cindy's email on page 91 is especially disturbing.

No wonder R. Grund has been in such a lather about all this. It's obviously bigger than the Anthonys trying to finger Jesse.
Again, I was going to write the SAME thing. Boy, oh boy. Are they trying to pin it onto the Grunds or what?!

NOTHING is connecting for Cindy and Dom. Nothing is panning out. When will they realize they are being played for FOOLS? Give it up already, Cindy. It's OVER.

imo

[kelloggirl]

There's nothing that I'd really like to say about Cindy and Dominic that won't get me banned, so I'll just say that reading this stuff makes me want to vomit, and makes me so angry that nothing can be done to stop this relentless dragging of innocent people through the mud in their witch hunt.

[Scampi]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG

:crying:

I found this information to be the most disturbing of all. That poor little girl.

[BettyC]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG

:crying:

Isn't that just so sad? The computer image of it isn't up anywhere is it Kitty?

[MiamiNice1]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG

:crying:
Very, very damning.

:crying:

[KittyMom]

Isn't that just so sad? The computer image of it isn't up anywhere is it Kitty?

I'm not seeing it. I think this came out in a letter between FBI and investigators. No wonder DP was put back on the table.

[neid_77]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146711.pdf

You all just have to read this witness statement!!! Is this the person from the computer store, that was recently added to the State's witness list? ...I'm now going to finish reading his statement.

Luckily, that guy didn't accept checks!

to me the checks are a secondary matter in this mans story FOR GOODNESS SAKES SHE CAYLEE WALKING 10 FEET BEHIND HER AND SHE COULDN'T EVEN HELP HER WITH THE DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing: I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW THIS WOMAN is beyond evil!! i havn't been this mad for awhile but this man's testimony has sent me over the edge...:cursing:

[BettyC]

Very, very damning.

:crying:

I guess they'd have to prove that it indeed was an outline of a child. I wonder if they took this any further.

[Lavinya]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146711.pdf

You all just have to read this witness statement!!! Is this the person from the computer store, that was recently added to the State's witness list? ...I'm now going to finish reading his statement.

Luckily, that guy didn't accept checks!

barf That statement is all KINDS of wrong, lol.

[threesnugbugs]

barf That statement is all KINDS of wrong, lol.

Regarding the computer guys statement

I am tempted to believe this account as the guy was a little "too honest" with his thoughts about Casey's looks. I am thinking he was afraid to leave any little detail out, even though he probably should have left those comments out (hot shorts, cleavage and looks), and told everything exactly as he saw it.

[ttcRider]

Can anybody tell me who Danielle B. is?:confused: tia

[Sun]

I find it of interest that the email addresses were not redacted.

For instance, here's Cindy Marie Anthony's email address:

cindymant@yahoo.com

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146692.pdf

Page 8232, file page 32.

Very, very interesting. ...but we don't have permission to use that abbreviation. Thanks for pointing this out!

[jammies]

I guess they'd have to prove that it indeed was an outline of a child. I wonder if they took this any further.


That image will stick in the jury's mind forever no matter what the defense comes up with. Case closed.

[need2no]

Very, very damning.

:crying:


And will be very emotionally moving for the jury to see, more so than residue of a heart sticker on duct tape.

[Barbara fl.]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG

:crying:


I can not find that...We should have all gotten together and taken different sections to read...just no way 1000 pages I can get thru....:blink:

[Barbara fl.]

I found this information to be the most disturbing of all. That poor little girl.


I can't find that....help....

[CNTM]

That image will stick in the jury's mind forever no matter what the defense comes up with. Case closed.

So true. I'm in total disbelief right now. :crying:

[Sun]

to me the checks are a secondary matter in this mans story FOR GOODNESS SAKES SHE CAYLEE WALKING 10 FEET BEHIND HER AND SHE COULDN'T EVEN HELP HER WITH THE DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing: I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW THIS WOMAN is beyond evil!! i havn't been this mad for awhile but this man's testimony has sent me over the edge...:cursing:

The mention of "checks" was just as far as I'd read when I posted. Those handwritten statements are so hard for me to read, I have to take breaks every so often. I hope that LE transcribes that statement, or provides an audio interview. The details that guy wrote in his statement, give a bit more insight (as long as he's being truthful).

[Marvin]

I can not find that...We should have all gotten together and taken different sections to read...just no way 1000 pages I can get thru....:blink:

Brought to my attention bt JWG at WS:

"On page 8407 (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146773.pdf) FBI agent Cowan describes the stain in the trunk as looking like the image of a child in the fetal position.

Heart-wrenching. "

[Darcy]

That image will stick in the jury's mind forever no matter what the defense comes up with. Case closed.



What is sadder is, if it can be seen with the naked eye, the Anthony's must have spent considerable time, smelling it and looking at it while trying scrub it clean. That has got to be some 'memory' to have locked in your mind.

[summer]

Geez! DCasey's quite the little paranoia prone fellow, isn't he?

From your link:

That list is truly disgusting. There it is in black and white, what DC and his clients are.

[Lavinya]

Regarding the computer guys statement

I am tempted to believe this account as the guy was a little "too honest" with his thoughts about Casey's looks. I am thinking he was afraid to leave any little detail out, even though he probably should have left those comments out (hot shorts, cleavage and looks), and told everything exactly as he saw it.

That and telling Caylee he would give her another Beanie Baby if Casey came back to buy the monitor. He needs to learn you might keep *some* thoughts to yourself, lol.

[SoggyBayou]

WFTV doc link.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21146562/detail.html

Private Eye's "Characters of Interest" Chart
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147464/detail.html

DNA Paternity Test For Jesse Grund
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147427/detail.html

FBI DNA Investigation, Other Reports
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html

Henkel Duck Tape Product Specifications
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html

Annie Downing 01/06/09 Interview Transcript
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147471/detail.html

Hundreds Of Pages From Private Eye D. Casey
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21148535/detail.html

[MiamiNice1]

I guess they'd have to prove that it indeed was an outline of a child. I wonder if they took this any further.
I pray they did, Betty. This was a good question you asked (about the computer image). :(

[Lavinya]

Hi Sam. Nice to spot you here. :laugh:

Interesting Cindy abbreviates her own last name to "ant" in her email, isn't it?

I thought it would be a given myself. :shrug:

[MiamiNice1]

And will be very emotionally moving for the jury to see, more so than residue of a heart sticker on duct tape.
Yes, I thought the same thing, need. SO much more than the heart sticker residue. :(

[need2no]

Hundreds Of Pages From Private Eye D. Casey
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21148535/detail.html

Thanks for the links.

I guess the media is saving those lovely tattoo pics to publish last. :tongueside:

[Dunlurken]

Jealousy rearing its ugly head. Casey was the baby of the Athony family, "until" Caylee came along, that is. Motive?

One of many motives? JMO.

[Scampi]

The mention of "checks" was just as far as I'd read when I posted. Those handwritten statements are so hard for me to read, I have to take breaks every so often. I hope that LE transcribes that statement, or provides an audio interview. The details that guy wrote in his statement, give a bit more insight (as long as he's being truthful).

He will be a critical prosecution witness at trial. imo.

[Barbara fl.]

Brought to my attention bt JWG at WS:

"On page 8407 (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146773.pdf) FBI agent Cowan describes the stain in the trunk as looking like the image of a child in the fetal position.

Heart-wrenching. "


Thanks Marvin.....

[ish]

10,21,08 A man was given a citation for trespassing. He parked his car along Suburban and students at the school watched him walk into the woods carrying something (woods where Caylee was found PRIOR to her being found)

Pg. 68


:huh: :confused:

I think this is the man who found the bag of stuffed animals and brought them to Cindy, he got info from a psychic. I think he knew Casey from the neighborhood or school. First name WIlliam I think.

,

[crimeq]

Jealousy rearing its ugly head. Casey was the baby of the Athony family, "until" Caylee came along, that is. Motive?

Yes, I just never would have believed it could be this intense, that a mother would be jealous over attention given to her small child. This is so sick.

I'm glad we have these doc dumps, glad for the Sunshine Laws.

I wonder how Cindy is feeling today, with all her private and confidential emails with DC coming out -- she should be squirming but I'm sure she's spinning instead.

[trich]

to me the checks are a secondary matter in this mans story FOR GOODNESS SAKES SHE CAYLEE WALKING 10 FEET BEHIND HER AND SHE COULDN'T EVEN HELP HER WITH THE DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing: I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW THIS WOMAN is beyond evil!! i havn't been this mad for awhile but this man's testimony has sent me over the edge...:cursing:

If this man is telling the truth then Caylee was alive on June 16 because he said he saw them at wal mart on day after fathers day.
At least until noon that day again according to him.

[Pierre]

That and telling Caylee he would give her another Beanie Baby if Casey came back to buy the monitor. He needs to learn you might keep *some* thoughts to yourself, lol.

ah with all the massive lying, a little extra honesty cant be that bad.

[Lavinya]

ah with all the massive lying, a little extra honesty cant be that bad.

You have a point there Pet,.. Pierre, lol.

[need2no]

He will be a critical prosecution witness at trial. imo.

Dominick Casey is probably doing a background check on him as we speak. Maybe they can fit him under the bus too.

[threesnugbugs]

He will be a critical prosecution witness at trial. imo.

I agree too. This is one of the first detailed descriptions that gives us the insight into her relationship and attitude towards Caylee. We haven't been privy to much up to this point other than what Cindy has wanted us to believe.

[Scampi]

Doesn't Walmart have automatic doors tho. I don't understand how
Caylee was struggling with the door?

[Dunlurken]

Thanks Marvin.....
Aw, man that's just horrible. In the fetal position. I need a break.

[Barbara fl.]

And and and Casey was mad because Caylee got a toy!!!!
Casey HATED Caylee.........Absolutely!


I agree fully.......

[MiamiNice1]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146711.pdf

You all just have to read this witness statement!!! Is this the person from the computer store, that was recently added to the State's witness list? ...I'm now going to finish reading his statement.

Luckily, that guy didn't accept checks!
SO according to this.......this guy actually SAW Casey WITH an ALIVE CAYLEE the "day after Father's day" - June 16th in the Casselberry Walmart??? This is creepy!

How vicious is Casey when Caylee was given the Beanie Baby -

"I specifically remember Casey rolling her eyes and letting out a distinct 'guhhhh' sound when her daughter had picked out the Beanie Baby."

I get CHILLS!!!!!!!

imo

[Scampi]

Dominick Casey is probably doing a background check on him as we speak. Maybe they can fit him under the bus too.

Let me channel Chief Brody, from Jaws for a moment:

"we're gonna need a bigger bus."

Everybody is guilty, but the person who actually is, I have never seen
anything like this in my life.

[Barbara fl.]

If this man is telling the truth then Caylee was alive on June 16 because he said he saw them at wal mart on day after fathers day.
At least until noon that day again according to him.


LE must have told him to keep a lid on this for the time being, because NG would have had him on as sure as H***....

[Jen]

Originally Posted by KittyMom
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG



Bless Caylee's little heart. I got chills just reading the title. I so HOPE they nail her with the DP.

[need2no]

Doesn't Walmart have automatic doors tho. I don't understand how
Caylee was struggling with the door?

I wondered about that myself while reading that statement. But wouldn't it take a certain amount of weight to get the door to open automatically? Maybe Caylee didn't weigh enough. And if Caylee was tagging that far behind maybe the door had already shut behind casey before Caylee got to it. I don't know...just a thought.

[Barbara fl.]

He will be a critical prosecution witness at trial. imo.


If the bus don't get him first.....Cindy must be losing her mind right now with all this being released.....:biggrin:

[Scampi]

I wondered about that myself while reading that statement. But wouldn't it take a certain amount of weight to get the door to open automatically? Maybe Caylee didn't weigh enough. And if Caylee was tagging that far behind maybe the door had already shut behind casey before Caylee got to it. I don't know...just a thought.

Good thinking Need2, I bet that's it. The prosecution better have an explanation because you know this defense is going
to try to pick this witness apart.

[Pierre]

You have a point there Pet,.. Pierre, lol.
Oh Lavinya if it wasnt for you I would still be in the Riviera!

No doubt; premeditated all the way, it will be hot where Caseys going but it wont be the beach!

[need2no]

Let me channel Chief Brody, from Jaws for a moment:

"we're gonna need a bigger bus."

Everybody is guilty, but the person who actually is, I have never seen
anything like this in my life.

:laugh:


You've got that right. Meanwhile they are on a hamster wheel getting no where.

[Xmygrits]

Doesn't Walmart have automatic doors tho. I don't understand how
Caylee was struggling with the door?

Hi Scamp. I haven't been by the Casselberry Walmart in ages, but it was an older Walmart, one of Orlando's first. The side doors are manual, but the front doors are automatic, from what I recall.

[crimeq]

Doesn't Walmart have automatic doors tho. I don't understand how
Caylee was struggling with the door?

The Walmart I go to has some automatic, some manual.

[Barbara fl.]

I wondered about that myself while reading that statement. But wouldn't it take a certain amount of weight to get the door to open automatically? Maybe Caylee didn't weigh enough. And if Caylee was tagging that far behind maybe the door had already shut behind casey before Caylee got to it. I don't know...just a thought.


I believe he may be talking about the side door from the parking lot...those doors are not automatic (down here anyway)...I always hold them for the next person, or if I have a cart, I have to push it open from the inside with the cart...

It's not the main door, those are automatic, but they have doors on each side that are manual...

[Jen]

Neither have I.

I can't decide whether to cry, throw something, or throw up.


This is unbelievable. :sad:

RIP Caylee

[5boxersmom]

Originally Posted by KittyMom
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG



Bless Caylee's little heart. I got chills just reading the title. I so HOPE they nail her with the DP.

OMG is right. I remember before Caylee was found a statement or doc saying they could tell which way Caylee was laying in the trunk. That was a long time ago.

Makes my stomach hurt.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

The Walmart I go to has some automatic, some manual.


Right...here, the manual doors are to the side entrances on each side , so that you can enetr or exit closer to your car....

[Sun]

I wondered about that myself while reading that statement. But wouldn't it take a certain amount of weight to get the door to open automatically? Maybe Caylee didn't weigh enough. And if Caylee was tagging that far behind maybe the door had already shut behind casey before Caylee got to it. I don't know...just a thought.

Anyone familiar with that particular walmart? I know that the one in my area (and I'm out-of-state) has one set of automatic doors, and several other manual doors which you might use if exiting to certain areas of the parking lot.

[need2no]

I believe he may be talking about the side door from the parking lot...those doors are not automatic (down here anyway)...I always hold them for the next person, or if I have a cart, I have to push it open from the inside with the cart...

It's not the main door, those are automatic, but they have doors on each side that are manual...

AH, you are correct-thanks. At our Walmarts the garden center and auto shop have manual doors.

[MiamiNice1]

Dominick Casey is probably doing a background check on him as we speak. Maybe they can fit him under the bus too.
This man is a very, very IMPORTANT witness. Wow!

[jakee]

Good thinking Need2, I bet that's it. The prosecution better have an explanation because you know this defense is going
to try to pick this witness apart.

We need someone to go to that specific store and check it out.

[Barbara fl.]

OMG is right. I remember before Caylee was found a statement or doc saying they could tell which way Caylee was laying in the trunk. That was a long time ago.

Makes my stomach hurt.

jmo

Could be because the body was in the trunk for a period of time, it left an imprint in the carpet.....

I wish the chair was still in....needle is too good....

[Scampi]

If the bus don't get him first.....Cindy must be losing her mind right now with all this being released.....:biggrin:

I bet she is Barb, and I hope the producers for the 48 hours show, include some of this information before the anthony segment is aired.

[ish]

I know...:lol:...I think Cindy will try to become an investigator after this.....:laugh:

Cindy can be Agent 86, Lee can be Agent 99 and George can be the bumbling Boss.

Cell phones in their shoes!!! This family is absolutely nuts. Their grand daughter is missing and they are playing detective games, grasping at straws to find a way to blame it on anyone other than the most obvious perp, their daughter.

Cindy writing to John Allen, practically ordering him around. Where does she get the nerve!!

Oh, the computer store guy, keep him off the stand, he was practically drooling over Casey ( if it was her) in her hot pants and cleavage baring shirt. reminding himself not to get involved with "bad" mothers. No they don't need to bring him in and give the defense anything to distrract the jury with.

[Pierre]

So....Does that mean that George anthony told the TRUTH about seeing Caylee and casey on the morning of the 16th?

[Barbara fl.]

We need someone to go to that specific store and check it out.


I have been to just about every Walmart from Port St. Lucie to Ocala and I can assure you that the side doors do not close or open automatically....I will try and take a picture for everyone to see the door he was probably talking about....

[need2no]

OMG is right. I remember before Caylee was found a statement or doc saying they could tell which way Caylee was laying in the trunk. That was a long time ago.

Makes my stomach hurt.

jmo

I recall hearing/reading that too, but couldn't remember where this info came from.

Maybe Nancy Grace....she managed to slip in a few tidbits here and there we hadn't heard from any other source, then she never mentioned them again.

[Tia]

This does put a closer time line on Caylee's murder.....and shows that this was not a fit of anger murder...the fight with Cindy was over and she had time to cool down.......I do believe it was planned for some time......

It seems she simply didn't like Caylee.

Poor Caylee.

Thanks to all who are posting sections of the doc dump. I cannot open any of them at work!!!

[Pierre]

We need someone to go to that specific store and check it out.
where is it?

[Lavinya]

Oh Lavinya if it wasnt for you I would still be in the Riviera!

No doubt; premeditated all the way, it will be hot where Caseys going but it wont be the beach!

:laugh:

Without a doubt!

[Scampi]

Hi Scamp. I haven't been by the Casselberry Walmart in ages, but it was an older Walmart, one of Orlando's first. The side doors are manual, but the front doors are automatic, from what I recall.

Thanks Grittie, always good to hear from the locals.

....you too Crimie.

:seeya:

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
http://www.clickorlando.com/download...9/21146711.pdf

You all just have to read this witness statement!!! Is this the person from the computer store, that was recently added to the State's witness list? ...I'm now going to finish reading his statement.

Luckily, that guy didn't accept checks!

This is absolutely heartbreaking. I transcribed the key parts because it is both so sad and also provides a lot of new information about the timeline when poor little Caylee died.

"This event really sticks out in my mind because normally parents are happy for their children to get a toy or something to put a smile on their face. Not this time. I remember feeling uncomfortable because the little girl's mother was upset and seemingly jealous of little girl getting the attention instead of being happy for her. I specifically remember Casey Anthony rolling her eyes and letting out a distinct "Guhhh" sound when her daughter Caylee had picked out her Beanie Baby. The reaction of Casey caught me by surprise and stood out so much that I thought I might have done something wrong..."

"The next time I saw them was a week later, the day after Father's Day, in the Casselberry Walmart, around lunch time. Casey Anthony was coming out of one of the interior Walmart doors as I was coming in. I recognized her immediately from the week before because she was the pretty girl who came into my store. Again Casey was wearing hot shorts and a cleavage bearing top. At first I didn't see Caylee with Casey. I was going to ask Casey if she bought a monitor yet, but then I saw Caylee in the background walking by herself about 10 feet behind Casey and having to open the big Walmart door by herself. The little girl looked angry and had a determined 'I can take care of myself' look on her face. I specifically remember feeling sorry for the little girl having to open the door by herself and wondered why her mom wasn't helping her, looking out for her, taking care of her and also why she wasn't in school or daycare. This day was signficant as it was the day after Father's Day and because of that I remember thinking the last thing I needed in my life was involvement with another bad mother or heartless female as I have had my share of those, so as a result of my observations and thoughts I kept walking into Walmart without stopping Casey Anthony to say hello. Now of course, I wish I had as maybe I could have made a difference for the better in how things turned out."

So, combine this with the cell phone pings that place Casey at home all night the 15th, it is possible that George did see Casey and Caylee leave home on the morning of the 16th. Since we know Casey was with TonE Lazzarro that early evening at the Blockbuster the night of the 16th without Caylee, that means that Caylee was killed that afternoon, likely at the Anthony home, where the cell phone pings place Casey.

:crying: Poor Caylee, you didn't deserve to be born into that family.

Thanks so much kelloggirl, for transcribing and posting this!! I so appreciate being able to re-read this! The only odd thing that I find about this fellow's statement, is the date that he appears to have given it. Did I mis-read it, or did it say 2009?

[KatieLady]

So....Does that mean that George anthony told the TRUTH about seeing Caylee and casey on the morning of the 16th?

Seems so Pierre IMO

[Pierre]

I have been to just about every Walmart from Port St. Lucie to Ocala and I can assure you that the side doors do not close or open automatically....I will try and take a picture for everyone to see the door he was probably talking about....

also some have two sliding doors that part in the middle?

[need2no]

So....Does that mean that George anthony told the TRUTH about seeing Caylee and casey on the morning of the 16th?

No, not necessarily. IMO

[Lavinya]

So....Does that mean that George anthony told the TRUTH about seeing Caylee and casey on the morning of the 16th?

Maybe by accident. :laugh:

I've always thought that Casey killed Caylee the afternoon of the 16th, myself. At home, after George left home and before Cindy got home.

[Jester]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG

:crying:

If they would be so kind as to include the photo in their documents, someone here could certainly enhance the photo. I'd like to see that photo.

[Dunlurken]

So....Does that mean that George anthony told the TRUTH about seeing Caylee and casey on the morning of the 16th?

I think so. And IIRC, he described what Caylee was wearing which were later found at the "burial site". JMO.

[MiamiNice1]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146773.pdf

Page 33/34 - About the car:

"It still smells horrible."


Page 34/34

"A very interesting photo exists of the trunk liner, which you have, which highlights the very large stain. If you look closely at this photo, there appears to be the outline or silhouette of a child in a fetal position.

:(

[Dunlurken]

If they would be so kind as to include the photo in their documents, someone here could certainly enhance the photo. I'd like to see that photo.

There is no photo, yet! jmo

ETA: That we've seen.

[MiamiNice1]

So....Does that mean that George anthony told the TRUTH about seeing Caylee and casey on the morning of the 16th?
Depends....what time does the witness say he saw Casey at the Walmart?

[Scampi]

Okay, the witness says he saw them around "lunchtime" and george claims they left the house at 12:50 p.m.

I hope the witness can clarify the time in some manner.

I wonder if george's memory is the result of them knowing about this witness and the defense is going to claim the person the witness says is casey is impossible, because george saw her at the house at the same time?

[KatieLady]

Depends....what time does the witness say he saw Casey at the Walmart?

Around lunch time

[Xmygrits]

Depends....what time does the witness say he saw Casey at the Walmart?

Around noon. "Around lunch time"

[MomofaMarine]

How do automatic doors work?


A beam of light is broken by an object this causes a disruption in the 'close door' signal to a sensor to be interrupted. This interruption causes the doors to open to open, once the object has moved out of sensor range and the signal is again transmitted and the doors close.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_automatic_doors_work


I have seen the sensors before at my Walmart.

[kelloggirl]

Thanks so much kelloggirl, for transcribing and posting this!! I so appreciate being able to re-read this! The only odd thing that I find about this fellow's statement, is the date that he appears to have given it. Did I mis-read it, or did it say 2009?

You're welcome! It is dated July of 2009. He says he would've come forward earlier but didn't think what he witnessed was that important. I don't think that matters as much as many witness statements were taken in 2009. Well, I'm sure the defense will trash it for that and many other reasons, but that's nothing new.

[MiamiNice1]

Thanks Grits and Katie! Sounds like there is a conflict with GEORGE's story. Surprise, surprise. NOT.

imo

[need2no]

Okay, the witness says he saw them around "lunchtime" and george claims they left the house at 12:50 p.m.

I hope the witness can clarify the time in some manner.

I wonder if george's memory is the result of them knowing about this witness and the defense is going to claim the person the witness says is casey is impossible, because george saw her at the house at the same time?

Perhaps if the witness made a purchase that day using his ATM or credit card they could get a better idea of when he might have seen casey and Caylee. Say for instance if he only purchased a couple of items and then checked out...wouldn't have been in the store very long.
Would at least narrow it down.

[Jester]

There is no photo, yet! jmo

ETA: That we've seen.

I skimmed the pages of the docs I've opened and so far no image. I'm thinking it wouldn't take much to manage the levels and curves in photoshop to get a nice crisp image ... and, I'd like to see for myself what they're talking about.

[Dunlurken]

Thanks Grits and Katie! Sounds like there is a conflict with GEORGE's story. Surprise, surprise. NOT.

imo

For me, lunchtime is 1:00 p.m. I'm not ready to disbelieve George yet! How far away is the walmart from the home?

[Barbara fl.]

also some have two sliding doors that part in the middle?


Well out by me, they all have the sliding doors at the main entrance...it's the side doors that aren't manual.....It's the doors that are at the end of all the soda machines and crane toys....they have one at both ends and if you are parked in those directions it's easier to get to your car....

He must have been talking about those door...but they would be kind of hard for a child to open, especially a two year old....not impossible, but a little hard...

[MiamiNice1]

Perhaps if the witness made a purchase that day using his ATM or credit card they could get a better idea of when he might have seen casey and Caylee. Say for instance if he only purchased a couple of items and then checked out...wouldn't have been in the store very long.
Would at least narrow it down.
Good thinking! Sounds like LE have done their homework with this guy and I hope this was done!:thumbup:

[Scampi]

You're welcome! It is dated July of 2009. He says he would've come forward earlier but didn't think what he witnessed was that important. I don't think that matters as much as many witness statements were taken in 2009. Well, I'm sure the defense will trash it for that and many other reasons, but that's nothing new.

Well, that throws out my theory of george making up his story about seeing casey as a way of thwarting this witness.

I wish this guy had come forth sooner.

[AlohaRainbow]

Okay, the witness says he saw them around "lunchtime" and george claims they left the house at 12:50 p.m.

I hope the witness can clarify the time in some manner.

I wonder if george's memory is the result of them knowing about this witness and the defense is going to claim the person the witness says is casey is impossible, because george saw her at the house at the same time?

anyone know how far it is (how long it would take to drive) from the anthony's house to this walmart?

[Scampi]

Perhaps if the witness made a purchase that day using his ATM or credit card they could get a better idea of when he might have seen casey and Caylee. Say for instance if he only purchased a couple of items and then checked out...wouldn't have been in the store very long.
Would at least narrow it down.

Great sleuthing, Need2!! They need something to pin this guy's testimony down, imo.

[Barbara fl.]

Around lunch time


I wonder if LE ever tried to see the camera's in Walmart on that day?

[MiamiNice1]

For me, lunchtime is 1:00 p.m. I'm not ready to disbelieve George yet! How far away is the walmart from the home?
I'm having a hard time googling that info - anybody have any luck?

eta - I found it.......11 Miles.

[Xmygrits]

Thanks Grits and Katie! Sounds like there is a conflict with GEORGE's story. Surprise, surprise. NOT.

imo

You are welcome.

I do think George did see Casey and Caylee leave the Anthony house that day together, "leaving for work", but I don't think his time line is as detailed and accurate as he testifies too.

It could be after the Walmart trip Casey came back to the house with Caylee at which time a murder occured.

[MiamiNice1]

anyone know how far it is (how long it would take to drive) from the anthony's house to this walmart?
OK....it is 11 MILES away.

From Casselberry to Orlando.

[Scampi]

Okay, I see where you guys are going, wouldn't it be something if by this witness's testimony they can prove george was (cough) mistaken in his recollection of the last time he saw casey and Caylee?

[Xmygrits]

For me, lunchtime is 1:00 p.m. I'm not ready to disbelieve George yet! How far away is the walmart from the home?

It is not the closest Walmart to the Anthony home, however, it is the closest one to Tone's apartment and Full Sail. It would take about 20 minutes to reach the Casselberry store from the Anthony house.

[need2no]

I wonder if LE ever tried to see the camera's in Walmart on that day?

I'm sure they tried. Problem is Walmart may not keep the video for over a year. :sad:

[MiamiNice1]

You are welcome.

I do think George did see Casey and Caylee leave the Anthony house that day together, "leaving for work", but I don't think his time line is as detailed and accurate as he testifies too.

It could be after the Walmart trip Casey came back to the house with Caylee at which time a murder occured.
I totally agree that this is how it went down. :(

[Rayosunshine]

Originally Posted by KittyMom
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG



Bless Caylee's little heart. I got chills just reading the title. I so HOPE they nail her with the DP.

It couldn't be a decomposing Caylee that caused the stain, because there was no "biologic" matter in the stain. It's just a coincidence, not Caylee.

[Scampi]

You are welcome.

I do think George did see Casey and Caylee leave the Anthony house that day together, "leaving for work", but I don't think his time line is as detailed and accurate as he testifies too.

It could be after the Walmart trip Casey came back to the house with Caylee at which time a murder occured.

I'm not so sure Grit, why? Because of the vast difference in what each said casey was wearing.

[MiamiNice1]

I'm sure they tried. Problem is Walmart may not keep the video for over a year. :sad:
Well, we know the guy can remember perfectly what CASEY was wearing (or not wearing). :sneaky:

Wonder if he can remember Caylee's clothes and would that be the same description that George had??

imo

[Barbara fl.]

I'm sure they tried. Problem is Walmart may not keep the video for over a year. :sad:


When did this guy come forward?

[MiamiNice1]

According to Yahoo maps its 14.27 miles


* Start at HOPESPRING DR, ORLANDO going toward SUBURBAN DR - go 0.10.2 mikm
* Turn Left on SUBURBAN DR - go 0.10.2 mikm
* Turn Right on CHICKASAW TRL S - go 1.72.8 mikm
* Turn Left on CURRY FORD RD - go 2.84.4 mikm
* Turn Right on S SEMORAN BLVD(SR-436) - go 3.96.2 mikm
* Continue to follow SR-436 - go 4.87.8 mikm
* Bear Left on E SEMORAN BLVD(SR-436 N) - go 0.81.4 mikm
* Arrive at 436 E SEMORAN BLVD, CASSELBERRY, on the Right
Thanks! You've got us right up to the Walmart's doorstep, MomofaMarine! So 14 MILES it is.

[Xmygrits]

I'm not so sure Grit, why? Because of the vast difference in what each said casey was wearing.

I agree. I think he (George) saw them leave that day, but did not pay as close attention to them leaving as he wanted everyone to believe. He has the clothing wrong, the time they left wrong and I believe the up close and personal good-bye hug with Caylee wrong. But I do think he saw them leave that day.

[need2no]

When did this guy come forward?

I believe what he said in the statement was that he hadn't thought it was important at the time. Why he changed his mind on that a year later is beyond me.

[SoggyBayou]

According to George, Casey left in work clothes.

[AlohaRainbow]

OK....it is 11 MILES away.

From Casselberry to Orlando.

oh - thanks

so... this is the day that casey said she dropped caylee off at the stairwell at sawgrass "between" 9am and 1pm.

interesting that the first time the computer guy saw her at his store was june 9th (a week before father's day). wasn't that *one* of the original dates that the anthony family (en masse) gave for the last time they saw caylee?

[MiamiNice1]

It couldn't be a decomposing Caylee that caused the stain, because there was no "biologic" matter in the stain. It's just a coincidence, not Caylee.
Remember - she was triple bagged. And they did find that "wax." :crying:

[Lavinya]

Who is Deborah Walker and WTH did she write to Dominic Casey "Ever fix the headlights on your found on road dead? I mean Focus" :confused:

[Dunlurken]

According to George, Casey left in work clothes.

What exactly are Casey's work clothes? she didn't work. Both had back packs. JMO.

[MiamiNice1]

oh - thanks

so... this is the day that casey said she dropped caylee off at the stairwell at sawgrass "between" 9am and 1pm.

interesting that the first time the computer guy saw her at his store was june 9th (a week before father's day). wasn't that *one* of the original dates that the anthony family (en masse) gave for the last time they saw caylee?
Yes the very same date - June 9th. Weird, huh?

(MomofaMarine did a door to door and it is 14 miles)

[Kat4Eagles]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146773.pdf

Page 33/34 - About the car:

"It still smells horrible."


Page 34/34

"A very interesting photo exists of the trunk liner, which you have, which highlights the very large stain. If you look closely at this photo, there appears to be the outline or silhouette of a child in a fetal position.

:(

Hi Miami, thank you for the link.

I haven't followed this case for awhile, but I do find that sentence to be one that the defense will never be able to explain.

Are there any actual photos?
I remember seeing one with the messy trunk open and pizza , etc.

Also, I am glad to see they did tests on paternity for Caylee.

Do we know anything more about that?

Tia.
Kat

[Xmygrits]

According to George, Casey left in work clothes.

BBM-Would it be considered wrong of me to laugh at that? I find this funny on so many levels.

[Rayosunshine]

Remember - she was triple bagged. And they did find that "wax." :crying:

Can't recall, but did they find the "wax" in the vehicle? I thought that would take longer to form, since it is breakdown of fatty tissue - not sure of the timeline on that part of decomp.

[Barbara fl.]

I believe what he said in the statement was that he hadn't thought it was important at the time. Why he changed his mind on that a year later is beyond me.

A whole year later? He wont even be called as a witness, he may very well have been planed by the defense to show that Caylee was still alive the next day and that Casey could have dropped her off at the 1pm time that she stated...


How could this guy have thought that this wasn't important, when it gives time as to when Caylee was last seen? I would take what he says with a grain of salt...JMO

[Lavinya]

Found on Road dead is a FORD. Not sure who she is either... :confused:

Weird!~LKL

[need2no]

I agree. I think he saw them that day, but did not pay as close attention to them leaving as he wanted everyone to believe. He has the clothing wrong, the time they left wrong and I believe the up close and personal good-bye hug with Caylee wrong. But I do think he saw them leave that day.

Well I've always found it mighty curious why George felt compelled to give a SPECIFIC time, instead of saying around 1:00, at lunchtime, shortly before I had to leave for work, or even...they left while I was watching such and such show on TV. But no, George says 12:50, he's positive. Not to mention his excellent recall of their clothing that day. After all, this detailed recall came a month later.

[Rayosunshine]

Just a thought: a car seat for a baby, lain on its side in a trunk would give a similar outline.

[MiamiNice1]

Can't recall, but did they find the "wax" in the vehicle? I thought that would take longer to form, since it is breakdown of fatty tissue - not sure of the timeline on that part of decomp.
Yes, the grave wax was found in the tunk and I believe on white paper towels? Someone can correct me if I am recalling this wrong.

[MomofaMarine]

Who is Deborah Walker and WTH did she write to Dominic Casey "Ever fix the headlights on your found on road dead? I mean Focus" :confused:


I dont know who she is but found on road dead means its a Ford.

F---Found

O---On

R---Road

D---Dead

[Barbara fl.]

According to George, Casey left in work clothes.


Your right, he did say that...These stories arent making too much sense, and I think they won't make a bit of difference...JMO...

[Scampi]

I agree. I think he (George) saw them leave that day, but did not pay as close attention to them leaving as he wanted everyone to believe. He has the clothing wrong, the time they left wrong and I believe the up close and personal good-bye hug with Caylee wrong. But I do think he saw them leave that day.

I do not think he saw them, but respect you opinion Grits.

[AlohaRainbow]

Yes the very same date - June 9th. Weird, huh?

(MomofaMarine did a door to door and it is 14 miles)

ok, so about 20 minute drive more or less.
if she left her house at 12:50 (according to george), she would have gotten to that walmart between 1:20-1:30. give her time to park and get into the store and look around, it seems it would be closer to2 (minimum) that the computer guy saw her (he said he was entering and she was leaving?). would 2pm be considered "lunchtime"?

or, was she there closer to 12-ish, then return home to change into her "work clothes" and "left for work" from her house at george's 12:50?

[MiamiNice1]

Hi Miami, thank you for the link.

I haven't followed this case for awhile, but I do find that sentence to be one that the defense will never be able to explain.

Are there any actual photos?
I remember seeing one with the messy trunk open and pizza , etc.

Also, I am glad to see they did tests on paternity for Caylee.

Do we know anything more about that?

Tia.
Kat
Hi Kat. Yes, a lot of us took a break, knowing this was going to be for the long haul.

Although the link says there is a photo of the image in the trunk liner, it is not shown.

Personally, I haven't heard anything further, more specific about the paternity but didn't Michael Baden say something that it would be revealed? :rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

I dont know who she is but found on road dead means its a Ford.

F---Found

O---On

R---Road

D---Dead


Ford Focus.....but that is the oldest statement out there, I heard that back in 1972, when I had a ford.....and was stuck on the side of the road:mad:

[Rayosunshine]

Yes, the grave wax was found in the tunk and I believe on white paper towels? Someone can correct me if I am recalling this wrong.

Was that determined by FBI or the group that tested for gasses of decomp?

[Xmygrits]

A java script or macro can type certain things that have been recorded, BUT, they can't start up a computer, log-on and do random searches on internet search engines. So MOO, this Timmer 55 using the computer to look like Casey searched for Chloroform or shovels or household weapons or missing children or Zanieda is a dead end idea from Dominic.

[Lavinya]

I dont know who she is but found on road dead means its a Ford.

F---Found

O---On

R---Road

D---Dead

I saw that MOM, but it still makes no sense. Maybe it's just a weird sense of humor?

[need2no]

A whole year later? He wont even be called as a witness, he may very well have been planed by the defense to show that Caylee was still alive the next day and that Casey could have dropped her off at the 1pm time that she stated...


How could this guy have thought that this wasn't important, when it gives time as to when Caylee was last seen? I would take what he says with a grain of salt...JMO


Someone upthread said he is on the witness list for the prosecution.

Who knows...maybe LE approached him. Perhaps they found a business card with his info in casey's stuff, or a slip of paper with his business address...something along those lines. :shrug:

[Xmygrits]

I do not think he saw them, but respect you opinion Grits.

Thank you and same here Scamp!

[MiamiNice1]

ok, so about 20 minute drive more or less.
if she left her house at 12:50 (according to george), she would have gotten to that walmart between 1:20-1:30. give her time to park and get into the store and look around, it seems it would be closer to2 (minimum) that the computer guy saw her (he said he was entering and she was leaving?). would 2pm be considered "lunchtime"?

or, was she there closer to 12-ish, then return home to change into her "work clothes" and "left for work" from her house at george's 12:50?

I think it more likely that she got to the Walmart at the 1:20-1:30 time. (I like how you've broken it down, btw)

I believe the part where George says they came out, ready to go to work at 12:50pm, so I think it unlikely she did the Walmart trip and then happened to come out of her room without George knowing she and Caylee had been out. At least - I THINK he'd be truthful about that.......hmmm.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Was that determined by FBI or the group that tested for gasses of decomp?
In answer to your question, I'm sorry, but I don't recall who determined the grave wax.

Here's the link to the new doc about the liner and the silhouette, Ray. Good read.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146773.pdf

[Justice4all]

Does anyone else find it a tad interesting in the pic of 'a' Zenaida Dominick sent to Cindy she is wearing a flag dress?

Pg. 30 Click Orlando link

yeah i saw that. I wonder if they ever found that girl and i wonder if she was at the 4th of July party with Casey.

[Barbara fl.]

Just a thought: a car seat for a baby, lain on its side in a trunk would give a similar outline.


Ya, I don't think that it will make that much of a thing...it would be something that the defense could tear down....

If the pros sticks to the facts in this case and not give an in to the defense, it will go smoothly...."GUILTY"...without a doubt....there is too much for this defense to get over....

[Zarina]

Thanks so much kelloggirl, for transcribing and posting this!! I so appreciate being able to re-read this! The only odd thing that I find about this fellow's statement, is the date that he appears to have given it. Did I mis-read it, or did it say 2009?

If I read it right , his statement says Monday June 9th,, not 16th

[need2no]

ok, so about 20 minute drive more or less.
if she left her house at 12:50 (according to george), she would have gotten to that walmart between 1:20-1:30. give her time to park and get into the store and look around, it seems it would be closer to2 (minimum) that the computer guy saw her (he said he was entering and she was leaving?). would 2pm be considered "lunchtime"?

or, was she there closer to 12-ish, then return home to change into her "work clothes" and "left for work" from her house at george's 12:50?


But didn't George say they emerged from casey's room packed up and ready to head off to work like any normal day at 12:50. And then of course later Cindy threw in George fed Caylee breakfast that morning. :rolleyes: George never mentioned anything about casey and Caylee returning home and then getting ready to head off to work.

[SoggyBayou]

I wonder if Dominic Casey's Ford Focus has New York tags?

[Jen]

Yes, the grave wax was found in the tunk and I believe on white paper towels? Someone can correct me if I am recalling this wrong.


I think your right!

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Just a thought: a car seat for a baby, lain on its side in a trunk would give a similar outline.

How would a car seat for a baby lain on its side in a trunk leave a stain?

[MiamiNice1]

I think your right!
Thanks for the confirmation! :)

[need2no]

How would a car seat for a baby lain on its side in a trunk leave a stain?

and how would a carseat look similiar to the shape of a 2 year old in a fetal position?

[Scampi]

How would a car seat for a baby lain on its side in a trunk leave a stain?

LOL......thank you.


:thumbup:

[neid_77]

Just a thought: a car seat for a baby, lain on its side in a trunk would give a similar outline.

car seat was NEVER!! ever in the trunk

[summer]

I bet she is Barb, and I hope the producers for the 48 hours show, include some of this information before the anthony segment is aired.

Took the words right outta my head, Scampi. There's still time, you betcha, if they are truly following this case.

Meanwhile, I'm sure Cindy Anthony was well aware what was coming out today, because the defense team knows and I personally believe the defense and Conway are closely tied, still, at this point. If Baez is throwing the family under the bus I doubt they've shown their cards yet.

[Barbara fl.]

But didn't George say they emerged from casey's room packed up and ready to head off to work like any normal day at 12:50. And then of course later Cindy threw in George fed Caylee breakfast that morning. :rolleyes: George never mentioned anything about casey and Caylee returning home and then getting ready to head off to work.


I still believe that Casey never came back to the house that night after the fight...I believe that they thru that in their as to remove their own guilt that this happened after the fight.....I could be wrong, but I think this guy has it wrong.....after a year, it's kinda hard to buy his statement...jmo

[♫Rock*Star♫]

car seat was NEVER!! ever in the trunk

And then there's that too.

[Sun]

ok, so about 20 minute drive more or less.
if she left her house at 12:50 (according to george), she would have gotten to that walmart between 1:20-1:30. give her time to park and get into the store and look around, it seems it would be closer to2 (minimum) that the computer guy saw her (he said he was entering and she was leaving?). would 2pm be considered "lunchtime"?

or, was she there closer to 12-ish, then return home to change into her "work clothes" and "left for work" from her house at george's 12:50?

I just wonder how Casey's cell phone pings might match up with this guy's statement? Not quite sure where I could find that info.

[Lavinya]

How would a car seat for a baby lain on its side in a trunk leave a stain?

*I* think a body is more likely. More like a negative stain, IMO

(Love your sig. How apropos.)

[Barbara fl.]

and how would a carseat look similiar to the shape of a 2 year old in a fetal position?


It actually wouldn't...but the defnse will certainly make it look like that....the pros has enough with that stain and odor of decomp...I say they should stick with what can not be argued in anyway....

Casey is going down for sure...nothing can help her out of this....

[♫Rock*Star♫]

and how would a carseat look similiar to the shape of a 2 year old in a fetal position?

It would not.

I foresee possible 'car seat in the trunk experiments' not unlike one news crew's 'pizza in the trunk' experiment.'

Or not. :)

[♫Rock*Star♫]

*I* think a body is more likely. More like a negative stain, IMO

(Love your sig. How apropos.)

I believe the same.

(apropos indeed)

[Lavinya]

I like the way Jon Allen shot Cindy down by telling her that they (LE) did NOT try to thrwart the mall in releasing the supposed siting of Caylee, then he listed all the folks involved who were trying to FIND Caylee. Pretty impressive.

[Zarina]

I just wonder how Casey's cell phone pings might match up with this guy's statement? Not quite sure where I could find that info.

I must be mistaken somehow. That guys statement was about Monday June 9th. One week earlier than Geo statement on June 16 .
Maybe its just me !

[KatieLady]

I must be mistaken somehow. That guys statement was about Monday June 9th. One week earlier than Geo statement on June 16 .
Maybe its just me !

He saw her twice....once on June 9 and then a week later in Walmart IMO

[KittyMom]

I had to step away. Just the thought that the computer guy may've been the last person to see Caylee alive just bothers me. Especially since he seemed genuinely concerned about her and her mother did not. Terribly sad that a complete stranger had more love for Caylee than her own mother.

I think about what it was like when mine kids were that young and we'd make a trip to Walmart. I can say that I NEVER let my little ones walk through the doors alone. First, those doors can be very heavy especially if the wind is behind them and I would worry that my child would get hit by the door. Second, I didn't want my child to walk out into traffic. Kids are not going to look for cars and most folk around here don't stop for shoppers.

I just picture little Caylee struggling to get the door open and Casey being totally oblivous to her struggles 'cause she's too busy texting on her phone.

[Rayosunshine]

In answer to your question, I'm sorry, but I don't recall who determined the grave wax.

Here's the link to the new doc about the liner and the silhouette, Ray. Good read.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146773.pdf

I went through the pdf and didn't see anything about grave wax?? Just one of the FBI's comments about a photo of the trunk that looked like the impression of a child in the fetal position, and a response from another FBI agent that this would be "speculative".?? Also saw alot of info re: DNA testing in the family and on toothbrushes.