Tuesday, 9/29/09

[Zarina]

He saw her twice....once on June 9 and then a week later in Walmart IMO

Thanks KatieLady .. So one of them is lying.

[MiamiNice1]

I must be mistaken somehow. That guys statement was about Monday June 9th. One week earlier than Geo statement on June 16 .
Maybe its just me !
Yes, you are mistaken.....

Casey went into the guy's store on 6/09

Guy saw Casey and Caylee at Casselberry Walmart "the day after Father's Day" which was 6/16.

imo

[Rayosunshine]

Grave wax is in an old dump. Sorry I don't have the link but someone handy with links will come along.

I vaguely remember something about the grave wax, but can't put my finger on it. I'm going to google Caylee/grave wax and see what comes up. I'll let you guys know if anything good does.

[KittyMom]

I like the way Jon Allen shot Cindy down by telling her that they (LE) did NOT try to thrwart the mall in releasing the supposed siting of Caylee, then he listed all the folks involved who were trying to FIND Caylee. Pretty impressive.

I would imagine that by the time this trial is over Cindy will have retired a number of LE. :rolleyes: Can't you just see the scripts that were probably written for blood pressure meds after dealing with that woman for months on end. :sneaky:

[neid_77]

And YOU were there? I didn't say a car seat was ever in the trunk.

If a car seat was in the trunk in the heat, the plastic the seat is made of could react with the polyester or whatever synthetic material the carpet is made of and cause a discoloration.

NO i wasn't they found it in the backseat of the car..the car seat was never in the trunk:cursing: K thanks RAY reasonable doubt is you game:unsure:

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Kat. Yes, a lot of us took a break, knowing this was going to be for the long haul.

Although the link says there is a photo of the image in the trunk liner, it is not shown.

Personally, I haven't heard anything further, more specific about the paternity but didn't Michael Baden say something that it would be revealed? :rolleyes:


Thank you, this is a hard case to keep up with some much going on , there is always some new info!!

This paternity news being revealed from Dr. Baden I hadn't heard before !! I know his rep though, so I know what you mean !!

I am going to try to keep up with the case better when it goes to trial.

Thanks to everyone who keeps us informed...

:)
Kat

[Rayosunshine]

Try looking for the proper term of what was found, which is adipocere.

you are correct, adipocere from adipose = fat. grave wax is the breakdown of fatty or adipose tissue. Will do.

[ish]

If this man is telling the truth then Caylee was alive on June 16 because he said he saw them at wal mart on day after fathers day.
At least until noon that day again according to him.

But George says they left his house at 12:50 that day.

[KatieLady]

Thanks KatieLady .. So one of them is lying.

Hard to say Zarina...His (computer guy) lunchtime could be 11:30 am for all we know. But I am thinking that if the DA now has him on the witness list they must have the time line nailed down...to their benefit IMO

[MiamiNice1]

It's an absolutely searing visceral image and the jury will feel it too. Impossible to get out of your mind.
It sure is! Imagine.....a 2 1/2 year old walking alone in what is usually a busy store like Walmart and struggling with a door!

[Ellie]

That's not just plain ol' reaching.

That's 'Elastic Man' reaching.

'Stretch Armstrong' reaching.


Thank you.

Not ONLY would a car seat not give an outline of a torso... bottom, legs, etc. a car seat is not the right size for what the OP is suggesting. My daughter is almost as old as Caylee was when she disappeared, granted all kids are different... if you picture it and the typical size of a child and the outline... and then the outline of a car seat... no way jose. Not even.

[Rayosunshine]

*I* think a body is more likely. More like a negative stain, IMO

(Love your sig. How apropos.)

True, it could have been a body in a plastic bag. The stain could have been the reaction between the bag and whatever the carpet was made of. Wonder if LE or FBI ever thought of testing for that combination?

[Lapis]

car seat was NEVER!! ever in the trunk

Not that I am buying the car seat made the alleged impression theory, but how can you possibly know that the car seat was never ever in the trunk?

[KittyMom]

Thank you, this is a hard case to keep up with some much going on , there is always some new info!!

This paternity news being revealed from Dr. Baden I hadn't heard before !! I know his rep though, so I know what you mean !!

I am going to try to keep up with the case better when it goes to trial.

Thanks to everyone who keeps us informed...

:)
Kat

I remember Dr. B saying that LE knew the paternity. The only thing I've come across so far is that Lee is not the match. But, there are pages and pages to go. MAybe someone in media will just point us in the right direction.

[MiamiNice1]

Another interesting note about the guy seeing Casey in Walmart.....he did not say "hello" to her when he immediately understood what kind of person/mother she was and what she was all about.

He sounds very observant. Casey, on the other hand, had NO CLUE she had been spotted and that she could be nailed down like this!

[denjet]

Well, I hope I never hear any of them, brad conway included, say they want the truth. Because according to these documents, they clearly do not.

IMO.
scamp, everytime I hear one of them say they want the truth, all I can picture is Jack Nicolson "YOU can't handle the truth" !! very fitting, I think :tonguewag:

[Ellie]

It sure is! Imagine.....a 2 1/2 year old walking alone in what is usually a busy store like Walmart and struggling with a door!

This seriously just kills me. Mother of the year??? Pth. Right.

[MiamiNice1]

This seriously just kills me. Mother of the year??? Pth. Right.
Seriously! How dare Cindy say this about Casey!! The image is beyond my comprehension - a 2.5 yo!

This guy's testimony is a gold mine for the prosecution. Good!

[summer]

I find it most interesting the way D Casey talks about Richard Grund as a "whack job" and the things T Padilla has been saying about Mr. Grund on another site. That he's a nut and he knows things about Grund from someone else's investigation, etc.

Makes me think that T Padilla had knowledge of D Casey's investigation - which seems so strange - T Padilla has also stated on this other site that he *loves* the Anthonys and that they are *great* people. This is just so weird. This case is amazingly convoluted.

[KittyMom]

Another interesting note about the guy seeing Casey in Walmart.....he did not say "hello" to her when he immediately understood what kind of person/mother she was and what she was all about.

He sounds very observant. Casey, on the other hand, had NO CLUE she had been spotted and that she could be nailed down like this!

exactly! I'll bet there are many people that wished they'd been this observant around Casey.

[SoggyBayou]

VIDEO REPORT: New Documents Released In Case
http://www.wftv.com/video/21149090/index.html

[summer]

Another interesting note about the guy seeing Casey in Walmart.....he did not say "hello" to her when he immediately understood what kind of person/mother she was and what she was all about.

He sounds very observant. Casey, on the other hand, had NO CLUE she had been spotted and that she could be nailed down like this!

Yes, he goes into extreme detail and I think he'd make an excellent witness. He was honest about his observation that Casey was *hot* and so what? He put it all out there and that makes him more credible to me.

[KittyMom]

We need a science mind to look over these dna reports and tell us what they mean. lol

[MiamiNice1]

exactly! I'll bet there are many people that wished they'd been this observant around Casey.
Oh, how I am rubbing my hands with joy. Casey must have been flummoxed by this testimony - that she was spotted on the last day Caylee was ever seen alive. This guy is a huge help with the timeline!

Casey is a sly sociopath, imo. She knew how to "act" around the people familiar to her to fool them. But a random computer guy? I'm sure Casey didn't care to hide anything and felt comfortable, even! Can you imagine the witch rolling her eyes and letting out a "guhhhh" over her daughter receiving such a cute gift that made her happy???

:cursing:


ETA - Heyyy.....Wonder what happened to that Beanie Baby??? If it was with Caylee on that fateful last day? Could LE have found this in the bag with her remains??? :(

[Scampi]

scamp, everytime I hear one of them say they want the truth, all I can picture is Jack Nicolson "YOU can't handle the truth" !! very fitting, I think :tonguewag:

Yep, that and this famous quote:

“The defendant wants to hide the truth because he's generally guilty. The defense attorney's job is to make sure the jury does not arrive at that truth.”

Alan M. Dershowitz

[Lavinya]

VIDEO REPORT: New Documents Released In Case
http://www.wftv.com/video/21149090/index.html

OMG, looking for a "live" Caylee as little as 2 months ago!

[denjet]

There's nothing that I'd really like to say about Cindy and Dominic that won't get me banned, so I'll just say that reading this stuff makes me want to vomit, and makes me so angry that nothing can be done to stop this relentless dragging of innocent people through the mud in their witch hunt.
Don't let it get to you too much, kellog ... this is exactly what's going to hang all of them ... I mean Dominic and Cindy's investigative "skills" and scenario buiding ... I've lost count of how many people they say are involved in this conspiracy, it's insane ... but Cindy doing legal research and quoting law to Dominic ... PRICELESS :lol:

[Pierre]

Yes, he goes into extreme detail and I think he'd make an excellent witness. He was honest about his observation that Casey was *hot* and so what? He put it all out there and that makes him more credible to me.

yep, I believe him too. He also knew when he saw her and refered to the timing as : the day after fathers day. Its the way some of us posters thought Cindy ought to have remembered the timeline too.

[Rayosunshine]

Found a few notes that the "grave wax" was found on a napkin/s in the bag of trash that was in the trunk. Also noted that "adipocere" aka "grave wax" is the result of breakdown in "animal" decomp., not only in human decomp. I would wonder if LE/FBI was unable to tell the difference between human adipocere vs animal adipocere (non-human) - seems if they were able to do so, that would have been very important.

[Sun]

Seriously! How dare Cindy say this about Casey!! The image is beyond my comprehension - a 2.5 yo!

This guy's testimony is a gold mine for the prosecution. Good!

If Casey's cell phone pings place her in the are of that guy's store and the walmart on those dates, then I would say that we will see him take the stand at the trial.

I need to go back re-read his statement carefully, but my overall impression of it was that he was sounding pretty credible with the statements that he was making. He noticed things that a "single" guy might (or a guy who is looking, I guess he could be married). Above all, he noticed Casey interacting with Caylee, when she was not in front of friends or family.

[Lavinya]

So who, exactly, did Cindy Anthony memorialize in such a public fashion?

Oh that's right. Herself. And Casey. :mad:

The craziest thing I ever heard, I tell ya.

[SoggyBayou]

OMG, looking for a "live" Caylee as little as 2 months ago!

I can't view the vid, I just posted the link. Can you tell us more?

[MiamiNice1]

If Casey's cell phone pings place her in the are of that guy's store and the walmart on those dates, then I would say that we will see him take the stand at the trial.

I need to go back re-read his statement carefully, but my overall impression of it was that he was sounding pretty credible with the statements that he was making. He noticed things that a "single" guy might (or a guy who is looking, I guess he could be married). Above all, he noticed Casey interacting with Caylee, when she was not in front of friends or family.
I agree with you. This man sounds very believable and holds nothing back! He has "no dog in this fight," unlike the many, many people we have been exposed to regarding Casey.

[summer]

ITA, summer. His candor in describing his reaction to Casey makes him all the more credible, imo.

Do you think all of this info came from the order forcing Cindy Anthony to turn over computer docs? Must be the source, huh? Can you imagine if she was able to destroy anything -- if this is the not so damaging stuff? :scared:

[KittyMom]

Oh, how I am rubbing my hands with joy. Casey must have been flummoxed by this testimony - that she was spotted on the last day Caylee was ever seen alive. This guy is a huge help with the timeline!

Casey is a sly sociopath, imo. She knew how to "act" around the people familiar to her to fool them. But a random computer guy? I'm sure Casey didn't care to hide anything and felt comfortable, even! Can you imagine the witch rolling her eyes and letting out a "guhhhh" over her daughter receiving such a cute gift that made her happy???

:cursing:


ETA - Heyyy.....Wonder what happened to that Beanie Baby??? If it was with Caylee on that fateful last day? Could LE have found this in the bag with her remains??? :(

ohhhh, good question!!

[summer]

Who is Jessica and why does it matter if she is having an affair with a detective?

and oh my golly gosh, how low can DC reach???? if you had lollipop ladies on the street over there (I don't think you do) no doubt they would come under suspicion too :-(

Exactly. This is how D Casey searched for Caylee while in the employ of her loving grandparents.

[cutiepatootie61]

Found a few notes that the "grave wax" was found on a napkin/s in the bag of trash that was in the trunk. Also noted that "adipocere" aka "grave wax" is the result of breakdown in "animal" decomp., not only in human decomp. I would wonder if LE/FBI was unable to tell the difference between human adipocere vs animal adipocere (non-human) - seems if they were able to do so, that would have been very important.



Was able to find this link to the documents noting the grave wax and caylee anthony. See pages 7, 14, and 16.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6551.6591.pdf

[Rayosunshine]

And smell like a decomposing body?
You are reaching..IMHO


One would think that if a decomposing body was in the trunk and the stains were from the body, the FBI would have found this. I'm not saying the body was not in the trunk - I wasn't there - It probably was. I just think that if there was leakage, it could and would have been detected. I am going to stick with my opinion that there was a body in a plastic bag in the trunk and that the material of the bag and the surface of the car reacted together to cause a stain, especially considering the amount of heat they were subjected to. It could not have possibly been fluids of decomposition - that would have been obvious when the FBI ran their tests. I don't think you can hide the products of decomp that completely. Unless someone was sloppy with testing - now that is another topic I won't get into, since I am in the medical field and it happens every second of every day.

[cassidy]

But George says they left his house at 12:50 that day.


Ummm...George Anthony is not reknowned for his truthfullness.

JMO

[Lavinya]

I can't view the vid, I just posted the link. Can you tell us more?

I haven't come across the documentation yet SB, (I'm really off on tangents here) but Kathy Bellich reported that according to emails between Cindy and Dominic, they were looking for a live Caylee as soon as 2 months ago and Cindy thought she saw a picture of "an older Caylee' in Peurto Rico somewhere. :ohmy:

[KittyMom]

woohoo!!!! I found my vaccum cleaner analysis. Where's Pru? The magget evidence might just be in here somewhere.

[MiamiNice1]

Was able to find this link to the documents noting the grave wax and caylee anthony. See pages 7, 14, and 16.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6551.6591.pdf
Thanks! You're good!

[ish]

It couldn't be a decomposing Caylee that caused the stain, because there was no "biologic" matter in the stain. It's just a coincidence, not Caylee.

Wait a second, I think it could be her body. Maybe the stain is from some other liquid that was in the trunk, but perhaps Casey left Caylee's body wrapped securely in plastic ON TOP of that liquid and the weight of it left that impression.

[Sun]

Has anyone run across pics of Casey's tattoos yet?

[Scampi]

Found a few notes that the "grave wax" was found on a napkin/s in the bag of trash that was in the trunk. Also noted that "adipocere" aka "grave wax" is the result of breakdown in "animal" decomp., not only in human decomp. I would wonder if LE/FBI was unable to tell the difference between human adipocere vs animal adipocere (non-human) - seems if they were able to do so, that would have been very important.

Sorry to be blunt, but the items that you are mentioning are things we have discussed weeks ago. You may find some of your answers by doing a search.

Today, most of us are discussing what has just now been released.

[summer]

I'm lost, sis. Why would Cindy have the computer guy's statement? Do you think he sent something to her, first?

Sorry I wasn't clear. I mean the correspondence between Cindy and D Casey. All of D Casey's *investigative* reports, the supposed affair between the reporter and an officer. The reports on Grund and N Grace and Belich, etc.

[Rayosunshine]

Was able to find this link to the documents noting the grave wax and caylee anthony. See pages 7, 14, and 16.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6551.6591.pdf

That is the report from the odor studies, non-FBI related. Wonder if that info will be allowed or accepted as evidence?

Edited to add: the grave wax gas emission found is the same in humans and pigs.

[margaritaville]

One would think that if a decomposing body was in the trunk and the stains were from the body, the FBI would have found this. I'm not saying the body was not in the trunk - I wasn't there - It probably was. I just think that if there was leakage, it could and would have been detected. I am going to stick with my opinion that there was a body in a plastic bag in the trunk and that the material of the bag and the surface of the car reacted together to cause a stain, especially considering the amount of heat they were subjected to. It could not have possibly been fluids of decomposition - that would have been obvious when the FBI ran their tests. I don't think you can hide the products of decomp that completely. Unless someone was sloppy with testing - now that is another topic I won't get into, since I am in the medical field and it happens every second of every day.

so if I was to agree with you....And say that nothing leaked from the bag making the stain....Why is their smell of decomp in the car today?
They say the car "still smells".. If nothing leaked, what is making the smell? and please don't tell me pizza..........MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Digging up irrelevant dirt on anyone and everyone. Cindy must have been in her glory that someone like D. Casey dropped into her lap.
You articulated what I could not say......it seemed that Cindy was in HEAVEN interacting/investigating with Dominic Casey. She sounds like a woman possessed!

imo

[KittyMom]

OMGosh!!! The list of things they got out of the garage. :scared:

black garbage bags inside the dog crate on top shelf
folding toothbrush inside a cooler on shelf
Whitney design canvas laundry bag on shelf

[SoggyBayou]

I haven't come across the documentation yet SB, (I'm really off on tangents here) but Kathy Bellich reported that according to emails between Cindy and Dominic, they were looking for a live Caylee as soon as 2 months ago and Cindy thought she saw a picture of "an older Caylee' in Peurto Rico somewhere. :ohmy:

That is nutsy, Does Cindy remember Jose Baez's statement that Casey wanted Caylee buried?

[Tia]

I haven't come across the documentation yet SB, (I'm really off on tangents here) but Kathy Bellich reported that according to emails between Cindy and Dominic, they were looking for a live Caylee as soon as 2 months ago and Cindy thought she saw a picture of "an older Caylee' in Peurto Rico somewhere. :ohmy:

This doesn't surprise me. Cindy does not seem to live in the same world as the rest of us. Its easy to imagine her in total denial that the body found was really Caylee.

[Rayosunshine]

Sorry to be blunt, but the items that you are mentioning are things we have discussed weeks ago. You may find some of your answers by doing a search.

Today, most of us are discussing what has just now been released.

Yes, I understand. The "grave wax" wasn't something I brought up, another member did today, in response to a comment I made about the "stain" in the trunk.

[Pierre]

Digging up irrelevant dirt on anyone and everyone. Cindy must have been in her glory that someone like D. Casey dropped into her lap.

And in between that, digging the dirt at Suburban Drive. Nice!

[summer]

This doesn't surprise me. Cindy does not seem to live in the same world as the rest of us. Its easy to imagine her in total denial that the body found was really Caylee.

I think the denial ship sailed on Day 31.

[Scampi]

Wait a second, I think it could be her body. Maybe the stain is from some other liquid that was in the trunk, but perhaps Casey left Caylee's body wrapped securely in plastic ON TOP of that liquid and the weight of it left that impression.

IIRC, they took a sample of the car trunk carpet and test revealed decomposition fluid.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes, I understand. The "grave wax" wasn't something I brought up, another member did today, in response to a comment I made about the "stain" in the trunk.
I answered your post doubting that the silhouette was made by something other than decomp. by giving yet another reason it was probably decomp. The grave wax was not meant to be discussed for as many posts as you made.

[denjet]

I guess they'd have to prove that it indeed was an outline of a child. I wonder if they took this any further.
OMG ... I think a picture for the jury is worth more than the pros saying what they think it looks like ... let the jury decide

[Lavinya]

That is nutsy, Does Cindy remember Jose Baez's statement that Casey wanted Caylee buried?

How about the dang MEMORIAL services? And cremation jewelry? :confused:

[Scampi]

Yes, I understand. The "grave wax" wasn't something I brought up, another member did today, in response to a comment I made about the "stain" in the trunk.

No problem, I was concerned about this part of your post:

I would wonder if LE/FBI was unable to tell the difference between human adipocere vs animal adipocere (non-human) - seems if they were able to do so, that would have been very important.

I know that there are various reports that have already been released, that address your concerns directly.

[Rayosunshine]

so if I was to agree with you....And say that nothing leaked from the bag making the stain....Why is their smell of decomp in the car today?
They say the car "still smells".. If nothing leaked, what is making the smell? and please don't tell me pizza..........MOO

I would think that the smell was the result of decomposition, even though there was no biologic material identified, except for the "grave wax" on the napkin/s and the hair that showed decomp. The smell would be the result of molecules of gas that are of substance and that permeated and bonded to the materials in the vehicle. Yes, smells do have substance and mass that are not always safe. OT a neat experiment - put some polish remover on a cotton ball and move the ball near water that is still - you will see the water move - those are the gasses that are hitting the water from the polish remover they do have substance. (found this one day when I was taking polish off of my toes - opened my eyes real wide) Have used this in teaching my resp. patients about the hazards of spray cleaners.

[MiamiNice1]

And that's exactly why D. Casey is still in the Anthony inner circle, imo. Because he's willing to feed Cindy whatever it is Cindy wants to consume.
Yes, yes, yes. Again. This is the strong impression I got, too!

[Pierre]

One would think that if a decomposing body was in the trunk and the stains were from the body, the FBI would have found this. I'm not saying the body was not in the trunk - I wasn't there - It probably was. I just think that if there was leakage, it could and would have been detected. I am going to stick with my opinion that there was a body in a plastic bag in the trunk and that the material of the bag and the surface of the car reacted together to cause a stain, especially considering the amount of heat they were subjected to. It could not have possibly been fluids of decomposition - that would have been obvious when the FBI ran their tests. I don't think you can hide the products of decomp that completely. Unless someone was sloppy with testing - now that is another topic I won't get into, since I am in the medical field and it happens every second of every day.

My bold: SOMEONE cleaned the trunk, BEFORE LE got to it.

[crimeq]

I vaguely remember something about the grave wax, but can't put my finger on it. I'm going to google Caylee/grave wax and see what comes up. I'll let you guys know if anything good does.

Most of us remember this. Learning how to use Google is good exercise, though.

[MiamiNice1]

Exactly! Digging up dirt on innocent people while simultaneously digging in the dirt for Caylee's body. Eyes wide open, that one. I hope he's in a world of legal hurt right about now.

BBM - LOVE how you put this!!!

[Bala]

This doesn't surprise me. Cindy does not seem to live in the same world as the rest of us. Its easy to imagine her in total denial that the body found was really Caylee.
If that's true then who is she wearing around her neck? Who did she cremate?

[Rayosunshine]

My bold: SOMEONE cleaned the trunk, BEFORE LE got to it.

I knew that already. Doesn't seem they would be able to sterilize it though.

[summer]

Please don't take the bait, folks. I beg you. There's so much to discuss about this doc dump today. Really interesting info!

[Rayosunshine]

Wait a second, I think it could be her body. Maybe the stain is from some other liquid that was in the trunk, but perhaps Casey left Caylee's body wrapped securely in plastic ON TOP of that liquid and the weight of it left that impression.

Very possible.

[Tia]

I think the denial ship sailed on Day 31.


Thats for sure.

[Lavinya]

And in between that, digging the dirt at Suburban Drive. Nice!

I see a movie title: "Digging the Dirt at Suburban Drive".

[denjet]

It pains me beyond words to see proof Casey mistreated Caylee. It's not like I didn't suspect it, but to have such a detailed observation of their interaction ... :crying:

-- with little Caylee so shy and quiet at the computer store -- and then looking so determined to manage by herself as Casey walks 10 feet in front of her at WalMart --

absolutely heartbreaking. :crying:
I'm with ya, Imp! It sickens me to think of what Caylee went thru in May and June especially because KC (Mom of the Year) was dragging her everywhere and not giving her the basic attention she needed ...

[Pierre]

I knew that already. Doesn't seem they would be able to sterilize it though.

Well youll have to ask George Anthony what he cleaned the trunk with? cloroform maybe?

[BettyC]

This doesn't surprise me. Cindy does not seem to live in the same world as the rest of us. Its easy to imagine her in total denial that the body found was really Caylee.

Then it would make one wonder just whose remains she's wearing inside her jewelry.

[crimeq]

Oh, how I am rubbing my hands with joy. Casey must have been flummoxed by this testimony - that she was spotted on the last day Caylee was ever seen alive. This guy is a huge help with the timeline!

Casey is a sly sociopath, imo. She knew how to "act" around the people familiar to her to fool them. But a random computer guy? I'm sure Casey didn't care to hide anything and felt comfortable, even! Can you imagine the witch rolling her eyes and letting out a "guhhhh" over her daughter receiving such a cute gift that made her happy???

:cursing:


ETA - Heyyy.....Wonder what happened to that Beanie Baby??? If it was with Caylee on that fateful last day? Could LE have found this in the bag with her remains??? :(

This is so sad. Caylee would have picked up on her mother dissing her joy in her new toy; little kids are very observant about that. Even before Casey killed Caylee, she was squashing her joys and happiness.

Poor sweet Caylee.

[ttcRider]

Has anyone figured out who Danielle Brofi is yet? :sad:

[denjet]

Let me channel Chief Brody, from Jaws for a moment:

"we're gonna need a bigger bus."

Everybody is guilty, but the person who actually is, I have never seen
anything like this in my life.

Thanks for that! I needed a laugh! :lol:

[trich]

That is the report from the odor studies, non-FBI related. Wonder if that info will be allowed or accepted as evidence?

Edited to add: the grave wax gas emission found is the same in humans and pigs.

So are you saying Casey had a dead pig in her trunk and let it decompose?
Some things may be possible but not very probable.
IMO it is more believeable that Caylee was decomposing in the trunk
rather then a PIG.
That does not make sense.....not to mention that the hair that had the death band on it was either Casey's or Caylee's and since Casey is still alive I believe that confirms Caylee's body was indeed in the trunk.

Why not say a little green man was decomposing in the trunk......that makes about as much sense as a pig does.

[Scampi]

This is so sad. Caylee would have picked up on her mother dissing her joy in her new toy; little kids are very observant about that. Even before Casey killed Caylee, she was squashing her joys and happiness.

Poor sweet Caylee.

I wonder if LE found this toy?

[Pierre]

I'm with ya, Imp! It sickens me to think of what Caylee went thru in May and June especially because KC (Mom of the Year) was dragging her everywhere and not giving her the basic attention she needed ...

That reminded me of one of caseys friends saying Caylee was clingy, and had seperation anxiety everytime casey left the room.

[BettyC]

Has anyone figured out who Danielle Brofi is yet? :sad:

ttc, not I. I just left for a few hours and my head is cleared. I'm gonna dive back in now.

[Pierre]

I wonder if LE found this toy?

That Regina is question of the day!

[denjet]

Dominick Casey is probably doing a background check on him as we speak. Maybe they can fit him under the bus too.
Maybe he also has a criminal background like a speeding ticket or citation from not wearing a seatbelt ... these people are crazy!

[crimeq]

yep, I believe him too. He also knew when he saw her and refered to the timing as : the day after fathers day. Its the way some of us posters thought Cindy ought to have remembered the timeline too.

Yes, he's very precise about that, day after father's day. It's likely he knew exactly where he was on father's day, either as a father or as a son, so that would be a good marker for him. I believe this IS the day he saw Casey and Caylee and yes, he was one of the last persons to see that little girl alive.

[jammies]

If this man is telling the truth then Caylee was alive on June 16 because he said he saw them at wal mart on day after fathers day.
At least until noon that day again according to him.


Barely alive. Casey walking out practically w/o her. Not caring if she left her behind. Poor baby. I wish she HAD left her in WalMart.

[ish]

IIRC, they took a sample of the car trunk carpet and test revealed decomposition fluid.

Thanks for reminding me of that. I also now remember George saying he put his nose down on that stain to make sure it was what he thought it was. a smell of decomposition!

[snowflakes]

I've always thought Cindy Anthony had Caylee cremated against Casey's wishes on the offchance that exhumation of her buried remains would find more reasons/clues to implicate Casey further.

[5boxersmom]

Barely alive. Casey walking out practically w/o her. Not caring if she left her behind. Poor baby. I wish she HAD left her in WalMart.

Maybe she really did want someone to kidnap Caylee. :sad:

jmo

[crimeq]

Found a few notes that the "grave wax" was found on a napkin/s in the bag of trash that was in the trunk. Also noted that "adipocere" aka "grave wax" is the result of breakdown in "animal" decomp., not only in human decomp. I would wonder if LE/FBI was unable to tell the difference between human adipocere vs animal adipocere (non-human) - seems if they were able to do so, that would have been very important.

FBI is probably on top of this. They've been around for a while.

[Rayosunshine]

This doesn't surprise me. Cindy does not seem to live in the same world as the rest of us. Its easy to imagine her in total denial that the body found was really Caylee.

you are right about Cindy not living in the same world as "the rest of us". I can't speak for deceased grandchildren, but I can speak for deceased children - everytime I see someone who looks like my son, I have to remind myself that I saw his corpse in a casket and that I have his cremains in his bedroom. Still doesn't change me when I see someone who looks like him, even if it is just a dark outline - makes my heart jump. Sounds silly, doesn't it.

[neid_77]

I'm with ya, Imp! It sickens me to think of what Caylee went thru in May and June especially because KC (Mom of the Year) was dragging her everywhere and not giving her the basic attention she needed ...

hi Den!!:smile: the account the store guy gave today broke my heart poor little caylee it made me very sick today reading his testimony of what happened to her that day i just cannot get passed her making her open that door herself!!!:cursing:

Caylee Marie:wub:

[Rayosunshine]

FBI is probably on top of this. They've been around for a while.


You are probably right. Most likely information that is not going to be released under the Sunshine Law. Will be saved for trial.

[KittyMom]

Has anyone gotten to the shovel dna yet? I don't understand it exaclty. It reads like dna of the biological offspring of Casey Anthony was found on sample Q18-1. Am I reading this right????? :confused:

[Scampi]

Has anyone gotten to the shovel dna yet? I don't understand it exaclty. It reads like dna of the biological offspring of Casey Anthony was found on sample Q18-1. Am I reading this right????? :confused:

Kitty, could you give us the page number for that?

[crimeq]

Digging up irrelevant dirt on anyone and everyone. Cindy must have been in her glory that someone like D. Casey dropped into her lap.

Cindy would like to find "dirt" on other people--once knew someone like Cindy, and her thrust was to drag others down to make herself seem better, I guess. :-(

[denjet]

A whole year later? He wont even be called as a witness, he may very well have been planed by the defense to show that Caylee was still alive the next day and that Casey could have dropped her off at the 1pm time that she stated...


How could this guy have thought that this wasn't important, when it gives time as to when Caylee was last seen? I would take what he says with a grain of salt...JMO
ITA Barb
As much as I would love to believe his story, I'm questioning why he didn't come forward after the remains were found ... couldn't blame him for not wanting to get involved ... but it does make me wonder how important it will be to the pros

[Jen]

What a great doc dump

BTW the more signatures the better :thumbsup:

[Tia]

Then it would make one wonder just whose remains she's wearing inside her jewelry.

Me too.

So why still searching for a "live Caylee"?

Its gets more bizarre the more info we get.

[Dtviewer3]

I knew that already. Doesn't seem they would be able to sterilize it though.

I agree with you.

Even though I had hoped that the stain would show some evidence (DNA or other) that it was from Caylees body, it seems it doesnt.

I would LOVE to know what caused the stain, but havent found that yet. And though I believe George and Cindy cleaned the trunk, I dont think that would have erased all biological material. If it did I would assume there would be high levels of some type of cleaner detected. (And no, I do not believe they bought Chloroform to clean with)

I think the smell is from the decomp of her body, and then she was placed in bag(s), because of the smell, and then discarded. Then the car was dumped because the smell remained.

[SoggyBayou]

Me too.

So why still searching for a "live Caylee"?

Its gets more bizarre the more info we get.

My wild guess, donations.
IMO

[Tia]

you are right about Cindy not living in the same world as "the rest of us". I can't speak for deceased grandchildren, but I can speak for deceased children - everytime I see someone who looks like my son, I have to remind myself that I saw his corpse in a casket and that I have his cremains in his bedroom. Still doesn't change me when I see someone who looks like him, even if it is just a dark outline - makes my heart jump. Sounds silly, doesn't it.

So sorry Ray. No, it doesn't sound silly.

[Rayosunshine]

Please post link where it say how many posts are allowed in any discussion on any forum. Thank you.

I thought I was being reprimanded for continuing to discuss the "grave wax" aka adipocere by a member of the forum. I don't have a link, since I don't believe one exists. Thanks.

[denjet]

I like the way Jon Allen shot Cindy down by telling her that they (LE) did NOT try to thrwart the mall in releasing the supposed siting of Caylee, then he listed all the folks involved who were trying to FIND Caylee. Pretty impressive.
Loved it!! Put her in her place ... even if it was short-lived!

[KatieLady]

you are right about Cindy not living in the same world as "the rest of us". I can't speak for deceased grandchildren, but I can speak for deceased children - everytime I see someone who looks like my son, I have to remind myself that I saw his corpse in a casket and that I have his cremains in his bedroom. Still doesn't change me when I see someone who looks like him, even if it is just a dark outline - makes my heart jump. Sounds silly, doesn't it.

So sorry for your loss. It doesn't sound silly at all. I just don't believe that that is what going on with Cindy IMO

[Tracian]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21146562/detail.html



Did you guys see this?

From the link:


The private eye spent a lot of time looking for dirt about meter reader Roy Kronk, who found Caylee's remains, Casey's ex-fiancee, Jesse Grund and his father Richard, even suggesting that Richard had strange religious beliefs that could have lead to some sort of sacrifice ritual. They were also trying to cook up some kind of connection between Kronk and Richard Grund.



I feel so sorry for the Grunds...and Mr. Kronk.

[Lavinya]

Loved it!! Put her in her place ... even if it was short-lived!

I think LE has handled Cindy about as professionally as one can get, yet not backing down. I have major kudos to all LE interaction with her!

[KittyMom]

Kitty, could you give us the page number for that?

It's in section X and starts on page 28 of 84.

I could be totally off on that. I'm not that good with the science stuff. Where are our lab tech posters?

[cassidy]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21146562/detail.html



Did you guys see this?

From the link:






I feel so sorry for the Grunds...and Mr. Kronk.

I don't think that anone who even remotely was connected with the Anthony's is going to come out of this mess unscathed.

[Rayosunshine]

Please post link where it say how many posts are allowed in any discussion on any forum. Thank you.

Re: Post #386, 9/29/09, 1:25 p.m.

[denjet]

hi Den!! the account the store guy gave today broke my heart poor little caylee it made me very sick today reading his testimony of what happened to her that day i just cannot get passed her making her open that door herself!!!

Caylee Marie:wub:
Hi Neid :seeya:
I know exactly how you feel ... disgusting ... but pretty much what we expected of how Caylee was being neglected ... still it's hard to hear ... When my kids were that age, I ALWAYS held there hand or carried them if they were tired ... FGS Caylee was 2 !! :cursing:

[Lavinya]

It's in section X and starts on page 28 of 84.

I could be totally off on that. I'm not that good with the science stuff. Where are our lab tech posters?

There is so much going on, I haven't even hit that part yet KM. :tongueside:

[cassidy]

I think LE has handled Cindy about as professionally as one can get, yet not backing down. I have major kudos to all LE interaction with her!


Me too Lavinya. Personally I would have been pulling my hair out..or maybe hers.
:)
JMO

[Scampi]

This attempting to find "dirt" on people is really something. I think they did this, so that anything these people testified too, would be clouded by whatever "dirt" they found.

I pity anyone connected to casey anthony, because they will have their privacy invaded big time. IMO.

[Rayosunshine]

I don't think that anone who even remotely was connected with the Anthony's is going to come out of this mess unscathed.

I agree. Just glad I don't live in Fla and can't be called for jury duty on this case. I've sat on a criminal case and you would not believe all the garbage that comes out and it doesn't even have anything to do with the case - it's all character related.

[Xmygrits]

Has anyone figured out who Danielle Brofi is yet? :sad:

I have not, but I have a idea this was someone trying to mess with Cindy's head. Possibly trying to extort something from her with false information.

[Scampi]

It's in section X and starts on page 28 of 84.

I could be totally off on that. I'm not that good with the science stuff. Where are our lab tech posters?

Thank you Kitty.

[denjet]

That reminded me of one of caseys friends saying Caylee was clingy, and had seperation anxiety everytime casey left the room.
I'm sure also that Caylee missed her grandparents and being separated from them and her routine and her home ... It must have been scary for her to be thrown in with people she didn't know, sleeping in strange places and being ignored by her Mom ... poor Caylee :sad:

[crimeq]

And that's exactly why D. Casey is still in the Anthony inner circle, imo. Because he's willing to feed Cindy whatever it is Cindy wants to consume.

It's called "supply". Narcissistic supply. That's what both Cindy and Casey consume. What I'm reeling about is that Jose calls Cindy "Rosebud" and wonder what that's about!

[ttcRider]

I have not, but I have a idea this was someone trying to mess with Cindy's head. Possibly trying to extort something from her with false information.

She sure gave it a good go! :laugh: thanks Xmygrits

[jammies]

It's called "supply". Narcissistic supply. That's what both Cindy and Casey consume. What I'm reeling about is that Jose calls Cindy "Rosebud" and wonder what that's about!



LOL he thinks he's in the movie Citizen Kane! :rolleyes:

[Scampi]

It's called "supply". Narcissistic supply. That's what both Cindy and Casey consume. What I'm reeling about is that Jose calls Cindy "Rosebud" and wonder what that's about!

The only reference I can come up with is the sled from Citizen Kane, but that can't be it........can it?

[crimeq]

And that's exactly why D. Casey is still in the Anthony inner circle, imo. Because he's willing to feed Cindy whatever it is Cindy wants to consume.

D. Casey was practically a brand-new licensed investigator, so he was still feeling his way, building experience--this case was probably a dream come true for him. Also, he accepted "no money", however that delayed payment structure was to be worked out. Like so many others in the Caylee case, they were/are in it for themselves, making their reputations off sweet little Caylee's murder.

[need2no]

Check out this picture of the inside of casey's trunk...do you see anything?

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0929/21147671.pdf


page 19

[Scampi]

LOL he thinks he's in the movie Citizen Kane! :rolleyes:

LOL Jammies, gmta!!

[seeing_eye]

time to catch up on your reading, hopefully your post will still be there when and if you return.

BTW I signed the petition too.

I've been away from the computer. Is there a petition to sign. I'm presuming it's about the Anthonys. If it is, I sure want to sign it too. Please give the link so I can go check it out. TIA

[Scampi]

Check out this picture of the inside of casey's trunk...do you see anything?

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0929/21147671.pdf


page 19

Oh, on the tire cover?

[jakee]

The only reference I can come up with is the sled from Citizen Kane, but that can't be it........can it?

That is what I thought too when I saw that. But why would he call Cindy a sled? weird.

[crimeq]

I wonder if LE found this toy?

Scampi, same here. I wonder if it was at the dump site. Or I wonder if Cindy found it at the house, if Casey went back to the house after the Walmart stop ???? I think Cindy knew every item in that house and would know if a new Beanie Baby showed up at the same time Caylee disappeared.

[need2no]

Oh, on the tire cover?

Just below the 'B'...am I seeing things?

[MiamiNice1]

Scampi, same here. I wonder if it was at the dump site. Or I wonder if Cindy found it at the house, if Casey went back to the house after the Walmart stop ???? I think Cindy knew every item in that house and would know if a new Beanie Baby showed up at the same time Caylee disappeared.
I have to retract my original question about the Beanie Baby.....it was given to Caylee on 6/09 (not the Walmart day). My mistake. :)

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Just below the 'B'...am I seeing things?
Me, too. I was wondering if I was seeing things.

Also, in the doc dump it said that when they played with the enhanced lighting, the silhouette became clearer.

[crimeq]

That reminded me of one of caseys friends saying Caylee was clingy, and had seperation anxiety everytime casey left the room.

What's really hurtful is that while Casey was pushing Caylee back and dissing her happiness and joy, at her age Caylee would be trying harder and harder and harder to please her mommy, to get good attention. That's what little children do.

This is so heartbreaking. I always thought the expressions on Caylee's face in some of the photos where she had her brow furled, looked like a little girl who already knew too much in her short time on earth. She was probably already struggling to find her way, just like struggling to open a heavy glass door on her own.

[crimeq]

Maybe she really did want someone to kidnap Caylee. :sad:

jmo

wow, there's a thought :scared:

[Scampi]

Just below the 'B'...am I seeing things?

Okay, be more specific. I am seeing what could be an outline on the far left, to the left of the B, but high on the tire cover. Is that what you see?

[need2no]

Me, too. I was wondering if I was seeing things.

Also, in the doc dump it said that when they played with the enhanced lighting, the silhouette became clearer.


I've been staring, and staring at that pic, wondered if it was just the power of suggestion that made me think I could see it.

You're right, they did say that. If we can see this on a crummy computer photo (assuming that's what we are seeing), I can imagine how much clearer it would appear under special lighting looking at the actual pic.


ETA: Aren't those dates of June 9th and June 16th (days computer guy saw casey) awfully concidental.

[denjet]

Okay, be more specific. I am seeing what could be an outline on the far left, to the left of the B, but high on the tire cover. Is that what you see?
which doc please ... I'm lost :confused:

[Scampi]

Me, too. I was wondering if I was seeing things.

Also, in the doc dump it said that when they played with the enhanced lighting, the silhouette became clearer.

I think I see what you and Need2 see. This outline appears to show the legs parted, right?

[MiamiNice1]

I think I see what you and Need2 see. This outline appears to show the legs parted, right?
Yes! I kinda find it hard to believe that we can actually see this! :ohmy: Can it be?

[need2no]

Okay, be more specific. I am seeing what could be an outline on the far left, to the left of the B, but high on the tire cover. Is that what you see?

Yes, far left below where the letter 'B' is.

[Scampi]

which doc please ... I'm lost :confused:

The 81 page document, page 19 there is a photo of the trunk, where we may be seeing the outline.

[jammies]

I think I see what you and Need2 see. This outline appears to show the legs parted, right?


I saw darkening stain in the shape of a "C".

[MiamiNice1]

which doc please ... I'm lost :confused:
Go to Page 19 and scroll down.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0929/21147671.pdf

[need2no]

I think I see what you and Need2 see. This outline appears to show the legs parted, right?

Exactly, that's what I'm seeing...whether this is it or not I don't know.

Does the size seem about right?

[Postergeist]

Hi, jumping in to see if anyone read if the duct tape that was also found during the removal of evidence from the Anthony home

Page 8 of 51 2 metal brackets w/ duct tape from s(torage) shed
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-09/49548935.pdf

(along with the gas can, which we knew about, don't recall these metal brackets)

is similar to the duct tape found on the can and also found with little Caylee's remains.

[ish]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21146562/detail.html



Did you guys see this?

From the link:






I feel so sorry for the Grunds...and Mr. Kronk.


Just what was all that business about people with the Rh negative factor in their blood? Quite odd. But if those are Richard Grund's beliefs, so what, does it mean he can't love a child, and want to know what happened to that child and who is responsible? And Dom Casey with his remarks about nailing RG with the "porn" on his computer. Caylee was an afterthought if anything in his investigation.

[MiamiNice1]

I've been staring, and staring at that pic, wondered if it was just the power of suggestion that made me think I could see it.

You're right, they did say that. If we can see this on a crummy computer photo (assuming that's what we are seeing), I can imagine how much clearer it would appear under special lighting looking at the actual pic.


ETA: Aren't those dates of June 9th and June 16th (days computer guy saw casey) awfully concidental.
I just can't believe we can actually see this! Yeah, are we "willing" ourselves?!

Yes, I agree about the 6/09 and 6/16 "coincidence." I'm not a big believer in that many such coincidences in such a serious case.

[Scampi]

Exactly, that's what I'm seeing...whether this is it or not I don't know.

Does the size seem about right?

The size appears right to me.

[crimeq]

When you think of it in the context of idle gossip, you know, to make yourself feel better, it's one thing. When you think of it in the context of trying to pin her granddaughter's murder on someone else? ... pure evil, imo. No other explanation for it.

Hi Purr, you're right about that--the magnitude of the scheming is simply evil. There is no other word, no other concept to explain it.

[cuddlyrunner]

nothing from Casey was found on the duct tape then, just dna from a law enforcement or scientist :-(

[jammies]

Exactly, that's what I'm seeing...whether this is it or not I don't know.

Does the size seem about right?


That's not fetal position, though. Look above the legs and I see a C shape like she was curled up.

[MiamiNice1]

That PDF won't open properly for me. :cursing:

Re D. Casey's "Characters of Interest" chart ... are you kidding me? I've never seen anything more ridiculous in my life. :rolleyes:
OK, close your eyes, wish reeeeaaaal hard and try this again!! Crossing fingers that it will work!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0929/21147671.pdf


Re: DCasey and Cindy - When you think they can't go any lower or be any more ridiculous......I guess that guy had to "justify" his work? Ugh!

[need2no]

The size appears right to me.

I just asked my hubby to look at the pic and tell me what he saw (he had no idea what I'm looking at, or why)...he said...a person with arms outstretched holding a baseball bat. :smile:

[denjet]

The 81 page document, page 19 there is a photo of the trunk, where we may be seeing the outline.

Thanks! Can't make anything out though ...

[Jen]

The size appears right to me.


Dang it, the image just isn't coming together for me to see......

[Postergeist]

That PDF won't open properly for me. :cursing:

Re D. Casey's "Characters of Interest" chart ... are you kidding me? I've never seen anything more ridiculous in my life. :rolleyes:

Hi Imp, ridiculous and IMO down right insulting, notice too that he was unable to find one Juliette Lewis anywhere in the state of Florida with his 'Net Detective' search? All I could see are the ones listed for NY and NJ....wonder if any of them have a daughter named Annabelle.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf

(pgs. 82-83 on link)

[MiamiNice1]

I just asked my hubby to look at the pic and tell me what he saw (he had no idea what I'm looking at, or why)...he said...a person with arms outstretched holding a baseball bat. :smile:
You know.....I see the "outstretched arms," too!! :huh:

[jakee]

Thanks! Can't make anything out though ...

Me either. I don't see a thing. :blushing: I will look again though.

[kelloggirl]

nothing from Casey was found on the duct tape then, just dna from a law enforcement or scientist :-(

Can you point me to where you read this? TIA!

[Ellie]

That reminded me of one of caseys friends saying Caylee was clingy, and had seperation anxiety everytime casey left the room.


That happens when you haven't created a trusting bond with your child... Caylee was probably so worried that casey was going to leave and not come back... Caylee was distrustful and insecure because of the way Casey treated her.

[need2no]

OK, close your eyes, wish reeeeaaaal hard and try this again!! Crossing fingers that it will work!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0929/21147671.pdf


Re: DCasey and Cindy - When you think they can't go any lower or be any more ridiculous......I guess that guy had to "justify" his work? Ugh!

That was also my thought. His investigative skills remind me of being along the lines of Barney Fife. Couldn't have asked for two more suitable people to become joined at the hip.

[Dovey]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139699/detail.html

FBI: Child Outline Seen In Casey Trunk

OMG

:crying:

Didn't LE ask George about this in his interview, what George thought of the size and shape stain in the trunk?
Sorry I don't have the link to which interview George gave.
Sorry I am behind in posting.
JMO

[Lavinya]

OK, close your eyes, wish reeeeaaaal hard and try this again!! Crossing fingers that it will work!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0929/21147671.pdf


Re: DCasey and Cindy - When you think they can't go any lower or be any more ridiculous......I guess that guy had to "justify" his work? Ugh!

On page 19?

[cuddlyrunner]

I've just closed the file but it's the one with 682 pages (I think). They ruled out the victim, her mother and grandmother and then went back through anyone that might have touched it and found the person.

[MiamiNice1]

Hi Imp, ridiculous and IMO down right insulting, notice too that he was unable to find one Juliette Lewis anywhere in the state of Florida with his 'Net Detective' search? All I could see are the ones listed for NY and NJ....wonder if any of them have a daughter named Annabelle.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf

(pgs. 82-83 on link)
Notice that he uses the "Net Detective" site. What would this P.I. do without the internet? :rolleyes:

[neid_77]

nothing from Casey was found on the duct tape then, just dna from a law enforcement or scientist :-(

ANYONE answer this for me?

could the water that Caylee's remains spent most of the time in destroy this much evidence?

[need2no]

You know.....I see the "outstretched arms," too!! :huh:

Me too, was just a bit surprised hubby did, especially since he gave this impression without even knowing what he was looking at, or for.

[MiamiNice1]

On page 19?
Yes and then scroll down. :)

[Lavinya]

Notice that he uses the "Net Detective" site. What would this P.I. do without the internet? :rolleyes:

Wow. A real pro huh? I guess you get what you pay for. :rolleyes:

[ish]

I'm sure also that Caylee missed her grandparents and being separated from them and her routine and her home ... It must have been scary for her to be thrown in with people she didn't know, sleeping in strange places and being ignored by her Mom ... poor Caylee :sad:

That was Annie who said Caylee was super attached to Casey, screaming if she left the room. Amy also stated that Caylee was very attached to Casey. However didn't one of the guys say that Caylee was very open to men, much friendlier to Casey's guy friends than the girls? Kids change quickly though, Caylee could have been very clingy back when Annie was in the picture more often and become more independent as she got closer to her third Bday.

Reading Annie's statement, I still have the feeling she is holding back something. Maybe not something specific but I think she "knows" more than she is saying. Even if it is just a feeling or an observation about the Casey/Caylee dynamic I think it is there.

[MiamiNice1]

Didn't LE ask George about this in his interview, what George thought of the size and shape stain in the trunk?
Sorry I don't have the link to which interview George gave.
Sorry I am behind in posting.
JMO
I remember, too. Didn't they say the stain was about the size of a basketball? George said that, right?

[ttcRider]

Dang it, the image just isn't coming together for me to see......

try crossing your eyes... :wink:

[BettyC]

Thanks! Can't make anything out though ...

I tried a screenshot of just the trunk. Don't know if this will show up or not.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2moo9bm.jpg

You have to scroll to make it smaller I think.

[Scampi]

I just asked my hubby to look at the pic and tell me what he saw (he had no idea what I'm looking at, or why)...he said...a person with arms outstretched holding a baseball bat. :smile:

MEN! God only knows what mine would claim to see. If this is actually Caylee's outline, LE will have a way of showing it to the jury, don't you think?

[KatieLady]

Dang it, the image just isn't coming together for me to see......

I couldn't see it either Jen...then I clicked on the page and it turned the page blue...now I can see it

[MiamiNice1]

I tried a screenshot of just the trunk. Don't know if this will show up or not.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2moo9bm.jpg

You have to scroll to make it smaller I think.
You're a whiz at this, Betty! :thumbsup: Came out great!

[crimeq]

The only reference I can come up with is the sled from Citizen Kane, but that can't be it........can it?

I'd be surprised if Jose even knew the movie Citizen Kane, honestly. Could be wrong, but ??? he doesn't seem the type to be an American film classics buff to me.

So, Rosebud???

[denjet]

Hi Imp, ridiculous and IMO down right insulting, notice too that he was unable to find one Juliette Lewis anywhere in the state of Florida with his 'Net Detective' search? All I could see are the ones listed for NY and NJ....wonder if any of them have a daughter named Annabelle.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0929/21146581.pdf

(pgs. 82-83 on link)
Pretty ridiculous, these 'Net Detective' searches ... guess you get what you pay (or don't pay) for ... My question is what did they do with all this info ... I don't see any followup on all these "suspects" :blink:

[spiritwolf46]

Just what was all that business about people with the Rh negative factor in their blood? Quite odd. But if those are Richard Grund's beliefs, so what, does it mean he can't love a child, and want to know what happened to that child and who is responsible? And Dom Casey with his remarks about nailing RG with the "porn" on his computer. Caylee was an afterthought if anything in his investigation.

Bold mine:

You betcha! She was always an afterthought AT BEST! The only thing that the Anthonys and company has ever done was want to spread lies, try to say that others were to blame, get money from Caylees horrible demise and to get their darling dark daughter off.

God bless that little girl!

[Rayosunshine]

I remember, too. Didn't they say the stain was about the size of a basketball? George said that, right?

I do remember that statement about the "size of a basketball".

[Roux]

Dang it, the image just isn't coming together for me to see......

I can't make heads nor tails of anything, but take the opinion of those with better eyes that the image is there.

[MiamiNice1]

That was also my thought. His investigative skills remind me of being along the lines of Barney Fife. Couldn't have asked for two more suitable people to become joined at the hip.
Oh....they are SO made for each other!!! LOL about Barney Fife! Perfect!


Lavinya - so true about getting what you pay for! But then Cindy always manages to get more than she pays for when she suffocates them with the extra personal emotional neediness!

IMO

[Rayosunshine]

Kind of looks like a jack of some type that would be used to fix a flat tire. If it were separated legs, the body would have to be on its back or stomach, not fetal - both femurs won't touch the surface if in the fetal position. It could be anything.

[summer]

I'd be surprised if Jose even knew the movie Citizen Kane, honestly. Could be wrong, but ??? he doesn't seem the type to be an American film classics buff to me.

So, Rosebud???

The consensus on some other sites discussing the case is that Rosebud is a variation on a name Cindy Anthony was using when she was commenting on blogs at the time. So it's a variety of Rose-something....

[denjet]

I tried a screenshot of just the trunk. Don't know if this will show up or not.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2moo9bm.jpg

You have to scroll to make it smaller I think.
Thanks Bett! wonder if LE uses different lighting and measurements, it will be more apparent ... I hope so

[crimeq]

I have to retract my original question about the Beanie Baby.....it was given to Caylee on 6/09 (not the Walmart day). My mistake. :)

imo

Thank you for clarifying ...

[MiamiNice1]

Pretty ridiculous, these 'Net Detective' searches ... guess you get what you pay (or don't pay) for ... My question is what did they do with all this info ... I don't see any followup on all these "suspects" :blink:
Exactly - NOTHING pans out! :thumbdown:

[martha]

do you all think this will help put casey away for life? I can;t read all of this and I just don;t know if this is really good or not. Maybe one of you that understand it can tell me what you think about what they have released today.tia jmho

[witchywoman]

Hello everybody...

Im still following along with the rest of u, ..Just wanna thank u all for the links, for keeping me in the know...


im just a quiet poster , but im here for Caylee


precious child, Kc is a monster, mo

[Jen]

try crossing your eyes... :wink:

Did that too, even closed one eye & cocked my head to the side. :wink:

Oh well.

[MiamiNice1]

OK, 15yo daughter, when asked if she saw a "silhouette" of something and of what - she said it looks like a person walking. :huh:

[crimeq]

Exactly, that's what I'm seeing...whether this is it or not I don't know.

Does the size seem about right?

REport said fetal position, so legs parted wouldn't seem right, and I think that's too small an imprint for an almost-3-yo.

Look at the curve that goes around the left side of the trunk, though, it's dark. Could that be from a body placed on its side?

[crimeq]

That's not fetal position, though. Look above the legs and I see a C shape like she was curled up.

Jammies, that's what I was seeing too, and I think the size is closer to accurate.

[Or_is_it?]

OK, close your eyes, wish reeeeaaaal hard and try this again!! Crossing fingers that it will work!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0929/21147671.pdf


Re: DCasey and Cindy - When you think they can't go any lower or be any more ridiculous......I guess that guy had to "justify" his work? Ugh!

Omg! You must be talking about the "list"! Some notes! :rolleyes:

[spiritwolf46]

I know that they won't, but in this case, I WISH that the Grund's, Kronk and anyone else CINDY ANTHONY and her minions have tried to ruin, would sue the daylights out of her!

She is so disgusting! This is NOT a put down, but a FACT! IMO!

I am so angry! I just cannot believe the kahooooooonas that this woman has and the hatred for anyone and everyone she meets.

They have ALL ruined lives, one pathetic time after another and I wish that someone would make them pay for it. :angry:

[nana6]

It actually wouldn't...but the defnse will certainly make it look like that....the pros has enough with that stain and odor of decomp...I say they should stick with what can not be argued in anyway....

Casey is going down for sure...nothing can help her out of this....

Hi Barb, Not to mention that they found death wax I believe that is the name

[ish]

Did that too, even closed one eye & cocked my head to the side. :wink:

Oh well.

I feel like Elaine's boss, Mr. Pitt with his MAGIC EYE puzzle!!!:cursing:

[Postergeist]

Notice that he uses the "Net Detective" site. What would this P.I. do without the internet? :rolleyes:

Isn't it ironic MiamiNice- that Cindy Anthony on camera yelled out to reporters and bystanders something negative, derogatory name calling, using insulting descriptions of people that use the internet, IMO.

rather shocking indeed

[TunaMelt]

I'd be surprised if Jose even knew the movie Citizen Kane, honestly. Could be wrong, but ??? he doesn't seem the type to be an American film classics buff to me.

So, Rosebud???

I thought about that too. I don't see him as sitting up and watching Turner Classic Movies. And if he did catch Citizen Kane, I don't see him as being able to understand it. Or pay attention for that long a time.

No, it can't be.
Well, it could be but in that case I'm sure he heard it from someone or read the Movie Cliff's Notes. :sneaky:

[jammies]

Jammies, that's what I was seeing too, and I think the size is closer to accurate.


me too. she was little and curled up into a ball. :cursing:

[KatieLady]

Isn't it ironic MiamiNice- that Cindy Anthony on camera yelled out to reporters and bystanders something negative, derogatory name calling, using insulting descriptions of people that use the internet, IMO.

rather shocking indeed

Not to mention that SHE was all over the net looking for "clues" and sending websites and posts to Dominic! IMO

[Dunlurken]

Did that too, even closed one eye & cocked my head to the side. :wink:

Oh well.

Not working for me either. Maybe that's why we aren't forensic scientists. LOL.

[crimeq]

Didn't LE ask George about this in his interview, what George thought of the size and shape stain in the trunk?
Sorry I don't have the link to which interview George gave.
Sorry I am behind in posting.
JMO

IIRC George said it was like a "basketball" stain.

[TunaMelt]

Omg! You must be talking about the "list"! Some notes! :rolleyes:

What do you think he means when he calls John Morgan an "exhibitionist"?


:rolleyes:

[Postergeist]

I remember, too. Didn't they say the stain was about the size of a basketball? George said that, right?

Yes, George said that in one of the LE interviews/FBI, which gave me the impression by the time LE saw the stain, it was much smaller than the alleged orig. size of "a basketball" that Mr. Anthony is describing during his video taped interview.

I don't recall Mrs. Anthony describing size or a 'stain' in the trunk during her LE interviews, however.

imo

[crimeq]

:confused:

This has been such a good and active chat, where did everybody go? :confused:

[5boxersmom]

me too. she was little and curled up into a ball. :cursing:

That is what I see too jammies. Why was she curled up in a ball? Just so tragic.

jmo

[MiamiNice1]

Isn't it ironic MiamiNice- that Cindy Anthony on camera yelled out to reporters and bystanders something negative, derogatory name calling, using insulting descriptions of people that use the internet, IMO.

rather shocking indeed
Rinky dink, isn't it? I'm imagining that Cindy needed to be consumed by something other than fixating on Casey and how bad Casey was making her look. The "detective work" and working together with Dominic Casey fit that bill.

She is almost manic in trying to find a way not to blame Casey.

[Dunlurken]

Hi Barb, Not to mention that they found death wax I believe that is the name

What is death wax? That's a term I'm not familiar with. JMO.

[need2no]

REport said fetal position, so legs parted wouldn't seem right, and I think that's too small an imprint for an almost-3-yo.

Look at the curve that goes around the left side of the trunk, though, it's dark. Could that be from a body placed on its side?



I don't know...I was so shocked when it popped out at me I forgot about the fetal position part.

The dark curve could be it...I just don't know anymore.

[Dunlurken]

IIRC George said it was like a "basketball" stain.

Basketball "sized" stain. JMO.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes, George said that in one of the LE interviews/FBI, which gave me the impression by the time LE saw the stain, it was much smaller than the alleged orig. size of "a basketball" that Mr. Anthony is describing during his video taped interview.

I don't recall Mrs. Anthony describing size or a 'stain' in the trunk during her LE interviews, however.

imo
I got the same impression regarding the "changing" size of the stain (and remember how George said he put his nose right up to it? Ick!)

No, Cindy didn't touch that with a ten foot pole! She was still clinging to the smell of the 2 week old "pizza" she invented. :rolleyes:

[jammies]

That is what I see too jammies. Why was she curled up in a ball? Just so tragic.

jmo


Was put to sleep and automatically curled up or was defending herself.......

[need2no]

What is death wax? That's a term I'm not familiar with. JMO.

Warning, pic is graphic.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

[MiamiNice1]

I don't know...I was so shocked when it popped out at me I forgot about the fetal position part.

The dark curve could be it...I just don't know anymore.

BBM - That's what I'm thinking....

[spiritwolf46]

Was put to sleep and automatically curled up or was defending herself.......


.....:crying:.....

So tragic!

[Postergeist]

Pretty ridiculous, these 'Net Detective' searches ... guess you get what you pay (or don't pay) for ... My question is what did they do with all this info ... I don't see any followup on all these "suspects" :blink:

I'm not sure den- it seems that it was very important tho to make sure that some websites were closed down, that a list of alleged undesirables were kept away from the 'memorial' for Caylee, to check out other people's tattoos for allegedly being 'gang-related', well that's my impression of D "The Rock" Casey. (He was considered one of Mrs. Anthony's "Rocks" right?)

imo

[crimeq]

That was Annie who said Caylee was super attached to Casey, screaming if she left the room. Amy also stated that Caylee was very attached to Casey. However didn't one of the guys say that Caylee was very open to men, much friendlier to Casey's guy friends than the girls? Kids change quickly though, Caylee could have been very clingy back when Annie was in the picture more often and become more independent as she got closer to her third Bday.

Reading Annie's statement, I still have the feeling she is holding back something. Maybe not something specific but I think she "knows" more than she is saying. Even if it is just a feeling or an observation about the Casey/Caylee dynamic I think it is there.

CYA, IMO. She's got some involvement with Xanax and her friends.

[BettyC]

I don't know...I was so shocked when it popped out at me I forgot about the fetal position part.

The dark curve could be it...I just don't know anymore.

You know, if it's this hard for us to make out the image, I just don't think LE will use it.

[MiamiNice1]

Isn't it ironic MiamiNice- that Cindy Anthony on camera yelled out to reporters and bystanders something negative, derogatory name calling, using insulting descriptions of people that use the internet, IMO.

rather shocking indeed
I forgot to address your first paragraph. Isn't it always the way with the Anthonys?

"Do as I say, not as I do"......they "never practice what they preach".....or they are "special" and everyone ELSE is to blame - never them. They are some kind of convoluted, toxic, huge CLICHE!

imo

[Tia]

What do you think he means when he calls John Morgan an "exhibitionist"?


:rolleyes:

I had to laugh when I read that!
Whats with all the people who were "threatening" them. Especially Jesse!??!

[Dunlurken]

Warning, pic is graphic.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

Thanks for the warning. I won't look. I like to sleep occasionally. :sad:

Can you explain it without me having to look at the pic? I thought maybe someone was talking about the death band on the hair.

[MiamiNice1]

Omg! You must be talking about the "list"! Some notes! :rolleyes:
Small time, rinky dink, imo!

[Dovey]

You know, if it's this hard for us to make out the image, I just don't think LE will use it.

The trunk stain may have been altered if someone tried to cleaned the trunk stain. Remember the person who examined it noted a strong odor also.
JMO

[need2no]

Thanks for the warning. I won't look. I like to sleep occasionally. :sad:

Can you explain it without me having to look at the pic? I thought maybe someone was talking about the death band on the hair.

Here's a link for a definition:
http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary?grave+wax

[need2no]

Small time, rinky dink, imo!

Rinky dink...good description!

[Dunlurken]

Here's a link for a definition:
http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary?grave+wax

Thank you.

[nana6]

Thanks for the warning. I won't look. I like to sleep occasionally. :sad:

Can you explain it without me having to look at the pic? I thought maybe someone was talking about the death band on the hair.

Hi Dun, I was the one who brought it up. It is a waxy substance that forms around the areas of the body that contain fat. I believe i am stating this right. If not someone will correct me. It goes to places like cheeks, the face and buttocks, breasts etc.

[nana6]

thank you need2know I am sure that is a better explanation than the one I gave. Nana:smile:

[5boxersmom]

Was put to sleep and automatically curled up or was defending herself.......

BBM

That is what I was thinking. :sad:

jmo

[ish]

The consensus on some other sites discussing the case is that Rosebud is a variation on a name Cindy Anthony was using when she was commenting on blogs at the time. So it's a variety of Rose-something....

In the movie Citizen Kane, Rosebud is the last word spoken by Orson Welles at his death. The movie centers around an attempt to discover just what "Rosebud" was or refered to. If Jose is trying to be coy perhaps he is trying to use Rosebud as a "code" (and we know the Anthony family loves codes) for Zenaida FG. if they can unwrap the mystery of ZFG they can figure out what happened to Caylee. Of course this theory requires a modicum of intelligence on Jose's part and also Cindy's. Rosebud has also been known as slang for a certain part of a female person's anatomy. But I wouldn't want to even go there.:blushing:

[Dovey]

Hi Dun, I was the one who brought it up. It is a waxy substance that forms around the areas of the body that contain fat. I believe i am stating this right. If not someone will correct me. It goes to places like cheeks, the face and buttocks, breasts etc.

I think it was stated in DR G's report that some of the bones had it on them.
Correct me if I'm wrong as I have a hard time with links but I do think it was in DR G's report.
JMO

[Postergeist]

Rinky dink, isn't it? I'm imagining that Cindy needed to be consumed by something other than fixating on Casey and how bad Casey was making her look. The "detective work" and working together with Dominic Casey fit that bill.

She is almost manic in trying to find a way not to blame Casey.

Reading those lists again just breaks my heart all over, seeing that her teeth are listed, each little bone found, her toddler clothes taken from the home, (couldn't help but think of the old Hank Snow song, "Mother Put My Little Shoes Away") what was once a vibrant sweet girl, to have her birth certificate cancelled before she even turned 3, her life revoked and thrown into the woods to be erased by time, nature and the elements. Discarded, leaving some hairs and the death smell in the family vehicle. That swampy area was intended to be her final resting place, and she still never got a final resting place. imo

You mention being consumed- that just reminds me of a very old verse-

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

:crying: Caylee, unknown to us, but all the same still precious

[ish]

What do you think he means when he calls John Morgan an "exhibitionist"?


:rolleyes:


Ironic, they are calling the attorney for the woman suing their daughter for slander/libel names. They better be careful.

[need2no]

Sounds like our James Thompson with the computer store wants to leave Fl and move to Washington.

Includes cute pic:

http://www.mymasn.com/profile/JamesThompson

[TisMeAgain]

The consensus on some other sites discussing the case is that Rosebud is a variation on a name Cindy Anthony was using when she was commenting on blogs at the time. So it's a variety of Rose-something....

Hey, Wasn't there a rosebud that came in here way back in August who siad Casey was innocent andit would be proven? I swear I remember something like that. We all went back and looked at the post a few times.

[crimeq]

That is what I see too jammies. Why was she curled up in a ball? Just so tragic.

jmo

This is very scary to me, because it suggests to me that Caylee was alived when taped up and placed in the trunk, and she curled into fetal position for comfort. If she'd already been unconscious or dead, Casey would have deposited her body flat down, IMO, not curled up. :cursing:

[need2no]

You know, if it's this hard for us to make out the image, I just don't think LE will use it.

Probably not, but then again they have equipment to enhance the photo, and we are only looking at a copy on a computer screen.

[Jen]

This is very scary to me, because it suggests to me that Caylee was alived when taped up and placed in the trunk, and she curled into fetal position for comfort. If she'd already been unconscious or dead, Casey would have deposited her body flat down, IMO, not curled up. :cursing:


heartwrenching :crying:

[Explorer]

heartwrenching :crying:

OMG Im horrified at the very thought of that.

[Postergeist]

Cindy Anthony has a derogatory name for everyone, it seems. Wonder what the air is like up on high, where she is?

Just FYI, Postie -- I'm not able to download much of anything from the news sites at the moment :cursing:, so I wasn't able to look at your link upthread.

It seems that way to me as well Imp- forget which link I posted (however, not new, one from today's doc dump) was it the one where I mention that LE gathered 2 metal brackets from the storage shed that had duct tape (I guess wrapped on the brackets or somehow placed on the brackets) that police removed from the storage shed?

I'm still hoping that someone with great reading skills and an eye for detail can tell me if any reports came back that the the Tape on the Brackets matches the Tape on the Anthonys Gas Cans which is the Rare Kind found on the little skull of Caylee.

[Beep]

Probably not, but then again they have equipment to enhance the photo, and we are only looking at a copy on a computer screen.

Good afternoon everyone. I agree that they may likely be able to enhance this pic of the trunk. Do you think it's possible that an artistic rendering of Caylee could be superimposed over the stain further illustrating that Caylee was placed there? Can you imagine the impact that would have on a jury? Or, would that be ruled too predudicial and not allowed at all?

[summer]

In the movie Citizen Kane, Rosebud is the last word spoken by Orson Welles at his death. The movie centers around an attempt to discover just what "Rosebud" was or refered to. If Jose is trying to be coy perhaps he is trying to use Rosebud as a "code" (and we know the Anthony family loves codes) for Zenaida FG. if they can unwrap the mystery of ZFG they can figure out what happened to Caylee. Of course this theory requires a modicum of intelligence on Jose's part and also Cindy's. Rosebud has also been known as slang for a certain part of a female person's anatomy. But I wouldn't want to even go there.:blushing:

Ish, haha, yeah I know about the origins of Rosebud re: the film classic but in this case I think the simpler explanation applies. Just a pet name for Cindy Anthony's blog persona at the time. IMO. :smile:

[spiritwolf46]

OMG Im horrified at the very thought of that.

Me, too! Makes my stomach churn!

[Dovey]

I can't imagine a mother as a possible suspect leaving a child in the woods, decomposing and carried off by animals. I just can't see how any grandparents would support this being done to their very own grandchild.
This totally makes me feel Casey is guilty and Caylee's grandparents are trying to cover it all up as they knew they could no longer save Caylee. From that 3rd 911 call I totally believe the Anthony's knew Caylee was gone to heaven. From the car stunch to looking in the backyard they knew that very day Caylee was gone forever.
JMO

[need2no]

Good afternoon everyone. I agree that they may likely be able to enhance this pic of the trunk. Do you think it's possible that an artistic rendering of Caylee could be superimposed over the stain further illustrating that Caylee was placed there? Can you imagine the impact that would have on a jury? Or, would that be ruled too predudicial and not allowed at all?


Afternoon.

Yes, too predudicial. I don't think Judge Strickland would allow it.

If they can do a good enough job with enhancement, the overlay of Caylee won't be necessary, IMO.

[Lavinya]

Is this board being archived? Why has the forum moved? :confused:

[Anakerie]

Probably not, but then again they have equipment to enhance the photo, and we are only looking at a copy on a computer screen.
This is just my opinion, but I would think that the prosecutors and investigators would have to be very careful about "enhancing" photos. I can imagine the defense attorneys pouncing on an enhanced photo and accusing the prosecutors and investigators of manufacturing evidence. Especially the defense team we're dealing with in this case!

The image everyone here is looking at in the doc dump is a very poor copy of a copy of a photo. It's like printing off a digital photo, taping it to a piece of paper and then putting it on a copy machine and making a pdf out of what you get from the copy machine. We're not going to see what the FBI people saw on their computers. They were looking at the actual digital photo.

[Beep]

Afternoon.

Yes, too predudicial. I don't think Judge Strickland would allow it.

If they can do a good enough job with enhancement, the overlay of Caylee won't be necessary, IMO.

Yes, I believe you are probably right. The pic alone could be very powerful, IMO.

[Dove]

Headline Prime News on CNN is leading off with the outline of a child in the trunk story.

[MiamiNice1]

Reading those lists again just breaks my heart all over, seeing that her teeth are listed, each little bone found, her toddler clothes taken from the home, (couldn't help but think of the old Hank Snow song, "Mother Put My Little Shoes Away") what was once a vibrant sweet girl, to have her birth certificate cancelled before she even turned 3, her life revoked and thrown into the woods to be erased by time, nature and the elements. Discarded, leaving some hairs and the death smell in the family vehicle. That swampy area was intended to be her final resting place, and she still never got a final resting place. imo

You mention being consumed- that just reminds me of a very old verse-

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

:crying: Caylee, unknown to us, but all the same still precious

You know, I think seeing the individual listings of the teeth in the earlier doc downloads really hit me hard. I thought I had seen "tough" ....until George and Cindy came along.

(BBM) How appropriate the verse you wrote is, Poster! It hurts to see where these grandparent's hearts are and what it says about them.

imo