Michael Jackson - 9/28 thru 10/6 [Archive]

daniel green

09-28-2009, 02:57 PM

Rabbi Shmuley later asks if Michael believes he was given his talent to bring out the goodness in man. "I believe that," says Michael. "You can change them because going to my show is like a religious experience because you (go in) one person and come out a different person."

During a separate discussion on love and relationships, he talks of an argument with his first wife Lisa Marie Presley over plans to visit James Bulger's killers. "She had a fight with me one time when two little boys in London killed this other kid and I was going to visit them 'cause the queen gave them adult sentencing of life," says Jacko. "These were like eleven and ten-year-old boys and I was going to go to the prison and visit them. "She said, 'You idiot. You're just rewarding them for what they did.' I said, 'How dare you say that.' I said, 'I bet if you trace their life you can find they didn't have parents around, they didn't have any love, nobody there to hold them look in their eyes and say, 'I love you.' "They deserve that, even though they're going to get life, I just want to say I love you and hold them."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2655245/Michael-Jackson-I-want-to-tell-Bulger-killers-I-love-them.html

Interesting. The facts on the killing of little James Bulger are wrong, and the Queen doesn't sentence anyone, but interesting what MJ thought about it.

Firehead11

09-28-2009, 02:58 PM

Frankly, I am done discussing the "Jackson Tapes". These latest questions can NEVER be answered by the one person whom it affected. I said when this came out, it was another piece of slime, coming out to make a buck on the back of a dead Jackson.

Oh and by the way, tapes can be edited and spliced to whatever you want to make it sound like. Maybe if this man published this bull while Jackson was alive, it might be more believable.

Have a good day.

MK~ULTRA

09-28-2009, 02:58 PM

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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/faith/2009/09/michael_jackson_shmuley_boteac.html

And in a disorienting moment, Jackson explained how he learned a Jewish slur: “When I was a little kid, Jews, we had Jewish lawyers and Jewish accountants and they slept in my bed next to me and they would call each other (a well known derogatory term)."

What exactly is Michael saying here? Is he saying lawyers and accountants slept in his bed next to him when Michael was a child?

Missing a comma in the article maybe?

LadyFuzz

09-28-2009, 07:29 PM

LadyFuzz

09-28-2009, 07:32 PM

I don't think that is true.

I have MJ in my news alert and everyday I get many alerts to new articles that have been written.

This case is far from over......once the DA moves, this case will be right back on top with the tv media. Happens that way in every case that has a lull and then new information comes forth.

But I have seen several shows that are promoting the "This Is It" movie.

imo

Information sure came forth in Jackson's own voice from those tapes.:w00t:

We really know him now. Poor Madonna. I bet she's sorry she memorialized him now. She didn't know the other side of Jackson.

IMO

ResJudicata

09-28-2009, 08:42 PM

Information sure came forth in Jackson's own voice from those tapes.:w00t:

We really know him now. Poor Madonna. I bet she's sorry she memorialized him now. She didn't know the other side of Jackson.

IMO

What other side? That he didn't want to go to a strip club, or engage in non-traditional sexual relations with her?

LadyFuzz

09-28-2009, 09:25 PM

What other side? That he didn't want to go to a strip club, or engage in non-traditional sexual relations with her?

How about this side?

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* wanted to hug schoolboy killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, who murdered two-year-old James Bulger in 1993.

barf

Two evil, budding serial killers, who were the age he loved, eh?????

imo of course

ResJudicata

09-28-2009, 09:37 PM

How about this side?

snipped

* wanted to hug schoolboy killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, who murdered two-year-old James Bulger in 1993.

barf

Two evil, budding serial killers, who were the age he loved, eh?????

imo of course

So...what.. you think he wanted to meet the boys in prison to "groom" them? To molest them? Perhaps if the rest of the world cared the way MJ did, we wouldn't have elementary school age serial killers. Not everyone sees caring as something sinister, the way some do.

LadyFuzz

09-28-2009, 09:46 PM

So...what.. you think he wanted to meet the boys in prison to "groom" them? To molest them? Perhaps if the rest of the world cared the way MJ did, we wouldn't have elementary school age serial killers. Not everyone sees caring as something sinister, the way some do.

No, not to groom them. He could skip that part with these boys. He could hold them, and stroke them, and tell them he loves them while looking in their eyes. Probably sit them in his lap too. Now that I think about it, those boys are so evil, they might have ripped his face off.

IMO of course

ResJudicata

09-28-2009, 10:09 PM

It's out now and there is nothing anyone can do about it. It gives a look at how Jackson thought, and the great thing is, it's in his own words and voice. That is a benefit to all of us. Now his fans know him much better.

imo

He showed himself as a person that cared about other people, but there was never any real question that he was that kind of person. I think you'd be hard pressed to find one single fan or any other reasonable person who thought any less of MJ because of the Rabbi tapes. If anything those tapes showed the human side of MJ, that he was more than just a target of ridicule. That he was a person. You talk about his way of thinking, but what about a way of thinking that makes it okay to laugh at the pain and suffering of another human being?

GentleBreeze

09-28-2009, 11:31 PM

No, not to groom them. He could skip that part with these boys. He could hold them, and stroke them, and tell them he loves them while looking in their eyes. Probably sit them in his lap too. Now that I think about it, those boys are so evil, they might have ripped his face off.

IMO of course

Evidently the courts didn't think so. From what I recall the boys have been released back into society and have new names.

imo

ResJudicata

09-28-2009, 11:48 PM

The interest in MJ has faded. I'm not surprised one bit. MOO

Sure.

Michael Jackson's fans are ready to rock with him one last time, as next month's "This Is It" movie about the late pop star breaks records for advance ticket sales, the studio behind the film said on Monday.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=8695692

LadyFuzz

09-28-2009, 11:53 PM

Sure.

Michael Jackson's fans are ready to rock with him one last time, as next month's "This Is It" movie about the late pop star breaks records for advance ticket sales, the studio behind the film said on Monday.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=8695692

So what? One last hurrah with his old songs and it's over with He will fade from people's memory. Way too many new stars to take his place.

imo

flipflop

09-29-2009, 12:16 AM

Where do you get your news from?

I don't see it fading. Not yet. And as his children grow into adults there will be a brand new interest in who their father was.

sallemae

09-29-2009, 12:20 AM

GentleBreeze

09-29-2009, 12:51 AM

So what? One last hurrah with his old songs and it's over with He will fade from people's memory. Way too many new stars to take his place.

imo

Me thinks that is wishful thinking.

There will be two new releases of MJs songs with more to come imo.

MJs popularity will remain high that is why the movie "This Is It" has already broken advance ticket records.

Paris, Prince and Blanket are just going to keep on getting richer and richer.:thumbsup:

imo

Xenam

09-29-2009, 01:06 AM

I want to see one thing re: the Rabbi's tapes. Where is the signed document that gave him permission by MJ to release them to the public? Amazing how he claims he stopped seeing MJ because MJ wouldn't listen to him and he would have been caught up in this "vortex". What spiritual advisor turns their back on someone when it was obvious MJ was desperately in need of help? Where did he offer or suggest to MJ professional help? Oh and I do not consider the Rabbi as being a professional who could help MJ. Oh well...... just another one to exploit their relationship with MJ for $. JMHO

daniel green

09-29-2009, 01:49 AM

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What exactly is Michael saying here? Is he saying lawyers and accountants slept in his bed next to him when Michael was a child?

I think MJ was saying it was their children? I have re-read it and you are correct--he is saying that the lawyers and accountants slept in bed next to him.

And what a disgusting lie. NOBODY calls each other that nasty term. NOBODY.

daniel green

09-29-2009, 02:08 AM

Justice4all

09-29-2009, 02:26 AM

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/popvox/archive/2009/09/28/five-lingering-questions-from-the-michael-jackson-tapes.aspx
He thought Madonna was in love with him?:loveeyes:

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 10:12 AM

He thought Madonna was in love with him?:loveeyes:

He thought she was jealous of his talent because girls don't scream for her like they did for him and men don't scream. :biggrin:

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 10:17 AM

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 10:19 AM

Nah, the tapes were spliced, it's all about the money and the Rabbi set him up......eyeroll.....

Just like Bashir set him up. The constant victim who talked on tapes and television. :rolleyes:

imo

sallemae

09-29-2009, 11:19 AM

NO ONE does it. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with history?

Now you are a historian? Wonder why it was said if no one does it?

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Google?

sallemae

09-29-2009, 11:21 AM

What does it matter if he has a signed release or not? Jackson is DEAD!!

Notice the estate is doing nothing about this. Oh well........just another case of fans going after the messenger and ignoring the message.

imo

I think the message has been delayed for 10 years, why is that, and how useful is a message that is 10 years old? Wonder why the rabbi did it now.....MONEY!!!!!!!!

imo

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 11:32 AM

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<<Thompson and Venables were released on a life licence in June 2001, after serving eight years, when a parole hearing concluded that public safety would not be threatened by their rehabilitation.[2] An injunction was imposed after the trial preventing the publication of details about the boys, for fear of reprisals. The injunction remained in force following their release, so their new identities and locations could not be published.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger >>

<<Jon Venables and Robert Thompson were released in 2001 after serving 8 years. Venables and Thompson were given new identities and new locations to settle in. They would be around 25 now.
http://celebgalz.com/james-bulger-bulgers-killers-jon-venables-robert-thompson/ >>

GentleBreeze

09-29-2009, 12:18 PM

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1622528/story.jhtml

Sep 29 2009 9:09 AM EDT

'Michael Jackson's This Is It' Ticket Sales Break International Records
Documentary has sold out hundreds of screenings across U.S. a month before its release.

Even in death, Michael Jackson continues to be a guaranteed superstar. Just as the initial run of his planned concerts at the O2 arena in London sold out almost instantly earlier this year, the posthumous documentary about the King of Pop's preparations for that residency, "Michael Jackson's This Is It," has broken advance ticket sales records for a movie.

According to Reuters, hundreds of screenings in North America have already sold out, a month before the film's October 28 opening.

Among the cities with the strongest sales are Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston and New York. Records were also set in Japan, where more than $1 million in tickets were sold on the first day they were available. In London, fans bought more than 30,000 tickets on the first day, eclipsing the advance interest in the "Harry Potter" and "The Lord of the Rings" films, which were wildly popular in Britain. Record sales were also reported in Holland, Sweden, Belgium and New Zealand.

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 12:27 PM

I dunno why MJ said it...probably because he's a LIAR! He also said his shoulder was LITERALLY DISLOCATED when the police brutalized him.

Do you have any proof that his shoulder wasn't dislocated?

Xenam

09-29-2009, 12:32 PM

What does it matter if he has a signed release or not? Jackson is DEAD!!

Notice the estate is doing nothing about this. Oh well........just another case of fans going after the messenger and ignoring the message.

imo

I am sure I've stated this before and will say it again. I love MJ's music. I started following the trial believing he was guilty and then became convinced he never molested a child. If that makes me a fan then so be it; nevermind that I followed the trial faithfully everyday and downloaded transcripts and went through them line by line comparing them to the media lies told to the public.

What exactly was the message but that MJ desperately needed psychiatric help? The tapes reflect a lonely, caring, and a person concerned about what was happening to the children on our planet and a bit delusional to think that he could heal them but loved them unconditionally. He was a man whose relationship was never resolved with his father and felt betrayed by most adults in his life that left deep emotional scars and who desperately wanted to be loved and to "fit in".

You cannot sue on behalf of a dead person anyway. Doesn't change the fact that a release should have been signed.

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 01:02 PM

I am sure I've stated this before and will say it again. I love MJ's music. I started following the trial believing he was guilty and then became convinced he never molested a child. If that makes me a fan then so be it; nevermind that I followed the trial faithfully everyday and downloaded transcripts and went through them line by line comparing them to the media lies told to the public.

What exactly was the message but that MJ desperately needed psychiatric help? The tapes reflect a lonely, caring, and a person concerned about what was happening to the children on our planet and a bit delusional to think that he could heal them but loved them unconditionally. He was a man whose relationship was never resolved with his father and felt betrayed by most adults in his life that left deep emotional scars and who desperately wanted to be loved and to "fit in".

You cannot sue on behalf of a dead person anyway. Doesn't change the fact that a release should have been signed.

I have no idea why you keep trying.

Did you see the pictures at the link I posted?

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 01:23 PM

Do you have any proof that his shoulder wasn't dislocated?

I do. When a shoulder is dislocated the person CANNOT raise their arm like MJ did to flash the peace sign. Even after it is relocated the arm is splinted & imobolized for several weeks. It takes months to regain the full mobility of the shoulder joint. Football players who suffer this type of injury are out for months, sometimes a full season & they are in much better physical condition than MJ was.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dislocated-shoulder/DS00597/DSECTION=symptoms

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 01:25 PM

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 01:25 PM

I have no idea why you keep trying.

Did you see the pictures at the link I posted?

I did! Thank you!! I also read the article and thought it was really good too.

I especially enjoyed this part:

"The baby was happy and laughing. Later, we took Prince upstairs to his room, where Michael gave him a bottle and held him until he went to sleep, singing little songs to him, something about Daddy’s baby. Michael told me Prince had inspired him to write more music than he had written at any other time in his life."

http://www.architecturaldigest.com/homes/homes/2009/11/michael_jackson_harry_benson_article?currentPage=1

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 01:27 PM

I have no idea why you keep trying.

Did you see the pictures at the link I posted?

I did for what they were worth. Did he ever clean up the junk around himself? :rolleyes:

imo

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 01:30 PM

I can't understand why Jackson fans keep putting up these links. Over and over again. Who cares?? We can all google if we're interested in how his last hurrah is going.

JMO

What about all the links and snipped up quotes posted by the "non-fans"? Do you have a better understanding of those?

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 01:31 PM

I do. When a shoulder is dislocated the person CANNOT raise their arm like MJ did to flash the peace sign. Even after it is relocated the arm is splinted & imobolized for several weeks. It takes months to regain the full mobility of the shoulder joint. Football players who suffer this type of injury are out for months, sometimes a full season & they are in much better physical condition than MJ was.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dislocated-shoulder/DS00597/DSECTION=symptoms

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=michael+jackson+injured&go=&form=QBIR#focal=419f034d74e54dd237cbc29ea5b82e7f&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwwwimage.cbsnews.com%2Fimages%2F 2003%2F12%2F28%2Fimage590405g.jpg

He also says the police handcuffed him in such a way so as to hurt his back. "Now I can't move," he tells Bradley, and the injury "keeps me from sleeping at night. I can't sleep at night."

I don't know who or where it is said that Jackson's shoulder was dislocated. :confused:

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 01:32 PM

I dunno why MJ said it...probably because he's a LIAR! He also said his shoulder was LITERALLY DISLOCATED when the police brutalized him.

Can I have a link to this?

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 01:33 PM

I did! Thank you!! I also read the article and thought it was really good too.

I especially enjoyed this part:

"The baby was happy and laughing. Later, we took Prince upstairs to his room, where Michael gave him a bottle and held him until he went to sleep, singing little songs to him, something about Daddy’s baby. Michael told me Prince had inspired him to write more music than he had written at any other time in his life."

http://www.architecturaldigest.com/homes/homes/2009/11/michael_jackson_harry_benson_article?currentPage=1

Where were the mannequins?

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 01:37 PM

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 01:38 PM

I do. When a shoulder is dislocated the person CANNOT raise their arm like MJ did to flash the peace sign. Even after it is relocated the arm is splinted & imobolized for several weeks. It takes months to regain the full mobility of the shoulder joint. Football players who suffer this type of injury are out for months, sometimes a full season & they are in much better physical condition than MJ was.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dislocated-shoulder/DS00597/DSECTION=symptoms

I guess thats why MJ chose to become an entertainer rather than a doctor. :laugh:

But seriously, the entire event was based on a foundation of lies. I can imagine how terrible it would feel to be falsely accused of such terrible things. I think even if he wasn't physically brutalized by the authorities, he certainly was emotionally brutalized by them. Should MJ have lied? No, but none of us can say we have never lied.

Its...my opinion.

sallemae

09-29-2009, 01:40 PM

If you are not interested why then are you here?

OH thank you Firehead11, for helping show what some of these posters are about. It's obvious, they are not here to discuss they just want to talk bad about someone, what ever gets some people by. Some people do drugs, and keep to themselves to escape, others go to a message board with nothing but nastiness to spread to escape whatever demons they possess. imo

I however do appreciate the info you share. thank you.

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 01:41 PM

Can I have a link to this?

Here ya go:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/29/eveningnews/main590610.shtml

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"They manhandled me very roughly," Jackson said. "My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It's hurting me very badly."

Yet, several doctors told CBS News the severe pain of a dislocated shoulder would have prevented Jackson from waving to spectators after his booking.

"If you dislocate your shoulder, you don't have the joint there anymore. You can't raise your shoulder, nothing to do it with. If someone forced you to do it, you'd be in a lot of pain," Dr. Samuel Fink told CBS' Whitaker.

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 01:46 PM

If you are not interested why then are you here?

Keeping it real of course. :biggrin:

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 01:48 PM

Who knows? Maybe they were visiting retired cop.

No, you need a supper huge bed with a painting of the last supper over the headboard with you as Jesus. :biggrin:

jmo

daniel green

09-29-2009, 01:48 PM

The tapes just cement in my mind just how delusional and narcissistic Michael Jackson was, oh and how he loved to be a martyr.

The tapes were filled with blatant lies in an attempt to manipulate the listener.

Michael Jackson didn't want "help" that became obvious to those that did try to help him. The rabbi realized this and cut ties. He would have been a fool wasting his time had he of stayed.

MJ whining the media is beating him up...the Rabbi tells him to stop sleeping with little boys, MJ says okay...yet continues........The rabbi admits he doesn't know if anything inappropriate happened. But who in their right mind would stand behind a man that continually beds boys and is accused of molesting them? Besides sycophants? and "fans"?

Ditto every word.

For real. :huh:

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 01:50 PM

He also said this:

He adds, "Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel. People write negatives things, cause they feel that's what sells."
--------------------------------------------------
Another constant excuse by Jackson.:rolleyes:

imo

Yep, I read that. You don't think that is true?

daniel green

09-29-2009, 01:51 PM

NO ONE does it. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with history?

No joke. :rolleyes:

And some very basic geography.

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 01:51 PM

Keeping it real of course. :biggrin:

Oh, I am keeping it real but thanks anyway.

daniel green

09-29-2009, 01:54 PM

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Notice the estate is doing nothing about this. Oh well........just another case of fans going after the messenger and ignoring the message.

imo

Ain't that something. :scared: I was not familiar with concept of "the fans" or their vilification of anyone who told the truth about MJ till after MJ died and I started posting on this forum. I was googling something last night and it led me to one of the fan site. OMG. They have all kinds of names about this Rabbi and the posts were nauseating.

daniel green

09-29-2009, 01:56 PM

http://www.architecturaldigest.com/homes/homes/2009/11/michael_jackson_harry_benson_slideshow?slide=1#glo balNav

Take a look at the pictures.

WHAT a disaster. :ohmy: A&E could have featured him on their shows, "Hoarders."

And how embarrassing is that throne??? :blushing:

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 02:01 PM

WHAT a disaster. :ohmy: A&E could have featured him on their shows, "Hoarders."

And how embarrassing is that throne??? :blushing:

But A & E didn't. Architectural digest did. And I don't think it was an article on hoarding. Some people appreciate art, and some don't I suppose.

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 02:02 PM

WHAT a disaster. :ohmy: A&E could have featured him on their shows, "Hoarders."

And how embarrassing is that throne??? :blushing:

How embarrassing was his pose on the throne?:blushing:

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 02:05 PM

WHAT a disaster. :ohmy: A&E could have featured him on their shows, "Hoarders."

And how embarrassing is that throne??? :blushing:

Let's get real here daniel. There is not one thing you liked about Jackson. Anything and everything he ever did was wrong in your eyes, so why do you keep looking at the links and at the pictures?

You know, I looked at those pictures and here is my honest opinion about them, I thought the one of him sitting by the paino was staged. The throne, hey he had a lot of things I would not have had but maybe you also have things I wouldn't dream of having in my home. It is your choice. The one that stood out for me? The one of his closet. I noticed that things were not tossed all around like I have seen in other pictures.

Personally, I look at the links and pictures to try to understand. How things got to where they were.

daniel green

09-29-2009, 02:06 PM

snipped. Some people appreciate art, and some don't I suppose.

WHAT "art?" :confused:

sallemae

09-29-2009, 02:09 PM

But A & E didn't. Architectural digest did. And I don't think it was an article on hoarding. Some people appreciate art, and some don't I suppose.

And some people have the money to spend on the art they like!:thumbup:

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 02:12 PM

From the book FREAK: Inside the twisted world of Michael Jackson

Introduction, Page 10

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"So he married Lisa Marie Presley to try to repair the damage, and even gave her a passionate kiss on national television. For hours he practiced that kiss on a mannequin in his dressing room before the big event."

:w00t:

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 02:13 PM

WHAT "art?" :confused:

I liked the one with the dogs much better.

sallemae

09-29-2009, 02:13 PM

Ain't that something. :scared: I was not familiar with concept of "the fans" or their vilification of anyone who told the truth about MJ till after MJ died and I started posting on this forum. I was googling something last night and it led me to one of the fan site. OMG. They have all kinds of names about this Rabbi and the posts were nauseating.

I noticed just how many journalist and persons in the media are questioning the motives of the rabbi, and not very many think it's too kosher what the rabbi did, writing the book, and playing bits and pieces of the tapes. imo

Just becuase the rabbi says it, doesn't mean it's so!

sallemae

09-29-2009, 02:14 PM

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 02:17 PM

I noticed just how many journalist and persons in the media are questioning the motives of the rabbi, and not very many think it's too kosher what the rabbi did, writing the book, and playing bits and pieces of the tapes. imo

Just becuase the rabbi says it, doesn't mean it's so!

The link has nothing to do with the book. Just thought YOU would enjoy this.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=michael+jackson+injured&go=&form=QBIR#focal=cf0c15a4c6ce4c943dc69ea5270f51a7&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingthunderohio2.org%2Fim ages%2Fweb_graphics%2Fbankson_mjackson_mom_politi. jpg

daniel green

09-29-2009, 02:25 PM

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Just becuase the rabbi says it, doesn't mean it's so!

What makes it so are the 30 hrs of tapes MJ made, in his own words.

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 02:30 PM

What makes it so are the 30 hrs of tapes MJ made, in his own words.

...of which, none of us has heard in their entirety, and have no idea what was said before or after.

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 02:56 PM

...of which, none of us has heard in their entirety, and have no idea what was said before or after.

Get the book, I sure am. All that matters is what he said. Simple. :rolleyes:

Poochie Pie

09-29-2009, 03:01 PM

The link has nothing to do with the book. Just thought YOU would enjoy this.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=michael+jackson+injured&go=&form=QBIR#focal=cf0c15a4c6ce4c943dc69ea5270f51a7&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingthunderohio2.org%2Fim ages%2Fweb_graphics%2Fbankson_mjackson_mom_politi. jpg Thank you Firehead..!! Just another example of MJ's compassion for his fellow man... A shame that it cannot be given to him... even in death..

Poochie

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 03:11 PM

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=michael+jackson+injured&go=&form=QBIR#focal=419f034d74e54dd237cbc29ea5b82e7f&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwwwimage.cbsnews.com%2Fimages%2F 2003%2F12%2F28%2Fimage590405g.jpg

He also says the police handcuffed him in such a way so as to hurt his back. "Now I can't move," he tells Bradley, and the injury "keeps me from sleeping at night. I can't sleep at night."

I don't know who or where it is said that Jackson's shoulder was dislocated. :confused:

MJ himself made the accusation.

<< http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20031230-1528-michaeljackson-treatment.html
Jackson alleges he was roughly treated and left with a bruised arm and dislocated shoulder. The Sheriff's Department previously said Jackson "was treated with courtesy and professionalism throughout the arrest and booking process." >>

<<"They manhandled me very roughly," Jackson told "60 Minutes" correspondent Ed Bradley. "My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain all the time. This is — see this arm? — this is as far as I can reach it. Same with this side over here."

Jackson claimed handcuffs were so tight they bruised him and caused swelling, and he produced a photo showing a long welt and swelling of his right forearm. He complained that the pain was so unbearable that he's been unable to sleep, but footage taken after his arrest shows the singer waving to onlookers as he leaves the jail, raising his right arm to flash the peace sign. He also raised an arm outside of his vehicle once he returned to Las Vegas, waving to and touching fans running alongside.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1483910/20031229/jackson_michael.jhtml >>

<<In an interview broadcast by CBS's 60 Minutes a month after his Nov. 20, 2003, arrest, Jackson said he was "manhandled" by Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies who took him into custody.

"My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It's hurting very badly. I'm in pain all the time," Jackson said. "It's very swollen. ... It keeps me from sleeping at night."

The report to Sheriff Jim Anderson from the attorney general's California Bureau of Investigation said there was no evidence to support Jackson's claim that his shoulder was dislocated when he was handcuffed. It also found that there was no criminal misconduct by sheriff's personnel.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2004-08-19-jackson-manhandling-charges_x.htm >>

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 03:22 PM

MJ himself made the accusation.

<< http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20031230-1528-michaeljackson-treatment.html
Jackson alleges he was roughly treated and left with a bruised arm and dislocated shoulder. The Sheriff's Department previously said Jackson "was treated with courtesy and professionalism throughout the arrest and booking process." >>

<<"They manhandled me very roughly," Jackson told "60 Minutes" correspondent Ed Bradley. "My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain all the time. This is — see this arm? — this is as far as I can reach it. Same with this side over here."

Jackson claimed handcuffs were so tight they bruised him and caused swelling, and he produced a photo showing a long welt and swelling of his right forearm. He complained that the pain was so unbearable that he's been unable to sleep, but footage taken after his arrest shows the singer waving to onlookers as he leaves the jail, raising his right arm to flash the peace sign. He also raised an arm outside of his vehicle once he returned to Las Vegas, waving to and touching fans running alongside.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1483910/20031229/jackson_michael.jhtml >>

<<In an interview broadcast by CBS's 60 Minutes a month after his Nov. 20, 2003, arrest, Jackson said he was "manhandled" by Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies who took him into custody.

"My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It's hurting very badly. I'm in pain all the time," Jackson said. "It's very swollen. ... It keeps me from sleeping at night."
The report to Sheriff Jim Anderson from the attorney general's California Bureau of Investigation said there was no evidence to support Jackson's claim that his shoulder was dislocated when he was handcuffed. It also found that there was no criminal misconduct by sheriff's personnel.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2004-08-19-jackson-manhandling-charges_x.htm >>

That is interesting. The link I posted is from CBS and the same show with Ed Bradley. But no where does it say that he claimed his shoulder was dislocated in my link. I guess I need to look for the video to see what was actually said.

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 04:00 PM

That is interesting. The link I posted is from CBS and the same show with Ed Bradley. But no where does it say that he claimed his shoulder was dislocated in my link. I guess I need to look for the video to see what was actually said.

I just read the transcript of that show and it does say that Jackson claimed to have a dislocated shoulder. See what I mean about two different things from the same site though?

I don't know, if I say something then I would be making excuses for Jackson. If I don't say anything then I must be a rabid fan who thinks Jackson can do no wrong.

Transcript of the 60 minute show with d Bradley:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/28/60minutes/main590381.shtml

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 04:04 PM

Get the book, I sure am. All that matters is what he said. Simple. :rolleyes:

The book would only be a reflection of which quotes the Rabbi decided should be included, and would sell the most books. Its not the bible. I think its odd that someone who dislikes MJ so much would buy any books written about him, unless there is some sort of pleasure to be gained by actively hating.

Its...my opinion.

daniel green

09-29-2009, 04:28 PM

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1483910/20031229/jackson_michael.jhtml >>

snipped

From your link:

In addition to the physical injuries, Jackson described being locked for 45 minutes in a bathroom smeared with feces while being taunted by a sheriff's deputy. "He said, 'Smell — does it smell good enough for you in there? How do you like the smell? Is it good?' " Jackson said. "And I just simply said, 'It's all right. It's OK.' So I just sat there and waited."

And that was another lie. Thankfully, the jail had taped MJ the entire time.

daniel green

09-29-2009, 04:32 PM

snipped
Transcript of the 60 minute show with d Bradley:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/28/60minutes/main590381.shtml

MICHAEL JACKSON: They were supposed to go in, and just check fingerprints, and do the whole thing that they do when they take somebody in. They manhandled me very roughly. My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain all the time. This is, see this arm? This is as far as I can reach it. Same with this side over here.

ED BRADLEY: Because of what happened at the police station?

MICHAEL JACKSON: Yeah. Yeah. At the police station. And what they did to me — if you — if you saw what they did to my arms — it was very bad what they did. It's very swollen. I don't wanna say. You'll see. You'll see.

Lies. Just lies. Playing the victim once more.

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 04:35 PM

Lies. Just lies. Playing the victim once more.

Thank You Again for your negative input. IMO, he had been a victim in at least 2 instances but you wouldn't understand that.

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 04:37 PM

From your link:

And that was another lie. Thankfully, the jail had taped MJ the entire time.

They did?? Hey how about a link to something you state as fact?

daniel green

09-29-2009, 04:45 PM

They did?? Hey how about a link to something you state as fact?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3842514/

Even I--and I did not follow the trial--did see that much on the news and remember it.

daniel green

09-29-2009, 04:45 PM

Thank You Again for your negative input. IMO, he had been a victim in at least 2 instances but you wouldn't understand that.

Excuse me? :confused:

daniel green

09-29-2009, 04:54 PM

Another day, another creditor's claim filed against Michael Jackson's estate. The law firm Mesereau & Yu -- who defended Michael during his molestation trial in 2005 -- filed a claim on Friday against the estate. In the claim, it says Michael owes the firm $341,452.05 for work done between July of 2005 and February of 2006.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/29/lawyers-from-mj-molestation-case-want/

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 05:04 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3842514/

Even I--and I did not follow the trial--did see that much on the news and remember it.

Thanks, I didn't see an entire video though. I saw maybe 30 seconds of Jackson, nothing in the police station and some audio of the cop who adjusted the handcuffs. Are these they same police Jackson accused? Or were the police that alledgely mistreated Jackson, the ones in the station?

Did the sheriff ever file charges against Jackson for alledging police brutality like he stated in the video?

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 05:05 PM

Excuse me? :confused:

Can you name one thing that Jackson did right in your eyes?

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 05:05 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3842514/

Even I--and I did not follow the trial--did see that much on the news and remember it.

From your link:

Jackson attorney Mark Geragos said after the sheriff’s news conference that his client “absolutely” stands by his allegations, and that the idea of seeking criminal charges of a false report “shows another serious flaw in their knowledge of the law.”

Where is the proof that it didn't happen? Because the sheriff said it didn't? Thats not proof.

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 05:23 PM

I think it's a crock. I plugged in my zip code and found 3 showings relatively close by, all at midnight and all still have available tickets.

Yep, the media is lying. Tickets are not selling worldwide to this movie.

The theater near me is playing it like 5 times a day after the initial release.

For someone who is not interested, why are you checking for available tickets? Did the local newspaper claim that the tickets were sold out in your area?

daniel green

09-29-2009, 05:28 PM

Yes, all ya have to do is watch the video of him leaving after being booked. He's waving his arm around, above his head, without a care in the world.

You mean dislocating your shoulder stops you from pulling yourself up on the roof of an SUV???? :scared:

WHAT a load.

I did notice MJ said he was in a lot of pain and could not sleep following the dislocated shoulder. :rolleyes:

daniel green

09-29-2009, 05:30 PM

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. Now I can't move. I — I — it keeps me from sleeping at night. I can't sleep at night.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/28/60minutes/main590381.shtml

Whew. Thankfully, MJ had those vials of demerol injectible, Rxs for xanax and valium, vicodin and Versed at the time. :scared:

daniel green

09-29-2009, 05:35 PM

I think it's a crock. I plugged in my zip code and found 3 showings relatively close by, all at midnight and all still have available tickets.

Huh. That is interesting. I had not thought to ck it out, but after reading your post I went and looked up mine and there are two theathers with availble tickets even on opening night--and many, many showings during the two weeks. :ohmy:

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 05:41 PM

To answer a question, I am here to discuss things and not to bash.

I notice that not one thing nice could be said about anything good that Jackson did during his short lifetime.

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 05:42 PM

Huh. That is interesting. I had not thought to ck it out, but after reading your post I went and looked up mine and there are two theathers with availble tickets even on opening night--and many, many showings during the two weeks. :ohmy:

'Michael Jackson's This Is It' Ticket Sales Break International Records
Documentary has sold out hundreds of screenings across U.S. a month before its release.

Even in death, Michael Jackson continues to be a guaranteed superstar. Just as the initial run of his planned concerts at the O2 arena in London sold out almost instantly earlier this year, the posthumous documentary about the King of Pop's preparations for that residency, "Michael Jackson's This Is It," has broken advance ticket sales records for a movie.

According to Reuters, hundreds of screenings in North America have already sold out, a month before the film's October 28 opening.

Among the cities with the strongest sales are Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston and New York. Records were also set in Japan, where more than $1 million in tickets were sold on the first day they were available. In London, fans bought more than 30,000 tickets on the first day, eclipsing the advance interest in the "Harry Potter" and "The Lord of the Rings" films, which were wildly popular in Britain. Record sales were also reported in Holland, Sweden, Belgium and New Zealand.

The documentary will have a limited two-week run, which might explain the rush on tickets. On Sunday, all 3,000 spots for a Los Angeles advance screening of "This Is It" on October 27 sold out within two hours.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1622528/story.jhtml

Better hurry and get your tickets before they are all gone.

sallemae

09-29-2009, 06:26 PM

Lies. Just lies. Playing the victim once more.

He isn't the only one to tell lies! We all know that. imo And the point that Michael lied is what? :confused:

sallemae

09-29-2009, 06:31 PM

another lie:

"Michael Jackson took on Sony Music chairman Tommy Mottola this past weekend, accusing the head of his record company of being a racist and part of a racist conspiracy against black artists."

That lie even shocked Al Sharpton!!!!

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1455976/20020708/jackson_michael.jhtml

I didn't see where anyone said Michael lied in that article.

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 07:52 PM

Don't ya get tired of being proven wrong?:confused:

Sorry to disappoint you. I ask for a link to verify what is being said. So it is not to prove I am wrong.

I thought it was against the TOS to attack a poster. Shall I report you for this?

:rolleyes:

Firehead11

09-29-2009, 09:08 PM

I don't care.

You keep asking for links that have been discussed and linked a million times. I am thinking you are deliberately being annoying by making false claims of ignorance....and having others do the work of RE-linking the same old stuff. Frankly, I'm tired of it.

I think you have me confused with someone else. Just in case you have NOT noticed, I ask for a link. I read that link when someone posts it. Unlike others. Case in point, when YOU posted that Jackson claimed he had a dislocated shoulder. I asked for a link because I had not heard that. I had heard he complained about his back. I looked for a link, to back up what I had posted, again, unlike some. Warhorse posted a link. Actually there were three links in the one post. I read everyone of them even though the one link was the very same one I had posted. I went further to find out THE TRUTH of what was said and found the transcript of that show. That is what I try to do. Again, unlike some. I may disagree with some pf warhorse's posts but I do appreciate the fact that she ALWAYS posts a link in her posts.

No need to respond to me, I am tired of your childish insults. I won't bother myself anymore with your posts.

sallemae

09-29-2009, 09:29 PM

Can you name one thing that Jackson did right in your eyes?

Why bother.....besides what value is there to postings that are so hateful and negative.

sallemae

09-29-2009, 09:36 PM

I hope this goes a long way to alleviate your confusion.

These aren't little white lies we're talking about here. They are WHOPPERS!

He lied to make himself look like the victim.

It was blatant and obvious. He falsely accused fine upstanding officers of the law who treated him with the utmost respect and professionalism. He accuses them of police brutality?

He accused the head of a record company of being a racist because HIS album wasn't up to par.

When a person fabricates such outlandish lies, attacking others because of his own actions...common sense would dictate he was willing to lie and say just about anything, about anyone, to make himself look better. It's despicable.

Why in the world would I ever take HIS word about anything? Let alone against a boy that MJ invited into his bed, even after all the trouble he had before?

I only read the first line....the rest is a waist of my time. imo
I'm not confused....just surprised at the hypocrisy.... from some posters.... I read some really good lies on other message boards, they're still there in the archives. :rolleyes:

ResJudicata

09-29-2009, 10:00 PM

I hope this goes a long way to alleviate your confusion.

These aren't little white lies we're talking about here. They are WHOPPERS!

He lied to make himself look like the victim.

It was blatant and obvious. He falsely accused fine upstanding officers of the law who treated him with the utmost respect and professionalism. He accuses them of police brutality?

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About that police brutality... the reason he was even arrested was based on a WHOPPER of lies. The reason any of that occured was because of a vindictive and corrupt prosecutor, who knowingly attempted to put an innocent man in prison. Michael was the victim of a malicious prosecution. Nevermind that he was fully exonerated of ALL the charges, the focus is still on something Michael said in response to being arrested on those bogus charges.
:mad:

RootBeer

09-29-2009, 10:01 PM

starting now

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 10:33 PM

I think you have me confused with someone else. Just in case you have NOT noticed, I ask for a link. I read that link when someone posts it. Unlike others. Case in point, when YOU posted that Jackson claimed he had a dislocated shoulder. I asked for a link because I had not heard that. I had heard he complained about his back. I looked for a link, to back up what I had posted, again, unlike some. Warhorse posted a link. Actually there were three links in the one post. I read everyone of them even though the one link was the very same one I had posted. I went further to find out THE TRUTH of what was said and found the transcript of that show. That is what I try to do. Again, unlike some. I may disagree with some pf warhorse's posts but I do appreciate the fact that she ALWAYS posts a link in her posts.

No need to respond to me, I am tired of your childish insults. I won't bother myself anymore with your posts.

I noticed you asked for the link and I posted one right away before War. You certainly didn't care when I posted it for you. You ignored it by the way. Since you didn't appreciate what I did, you can just search for yourself in the future.:tonguewag: imo

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 10:44 PM

starting now

I just saw the clip again with Jackson walking to court in his PJs after coming from the hospital with back pain.

I was struck how he could quickly turn halfway around on both sides to see his fans. How could anyone do that with back pain? He than started walking slowly and carefully again after those quick twists. imo

LadyFuzz

09-29-2009, 10:59 PM

Huh. That is interesting. I had not thought to ck it out, but after reading your post I went and looked up mine and there are two theathers with availble tickets even on opening night--and many, many showings during the two weeks. :ohmy:

I checked out my area too. Same thing. I could go to a theater here, walk up to the ticket booth the night of the show, and by a ticket to go in.

Not that I will. I have no desire to see that movie. imo

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 11:22 PM

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 11:25 PM

From your link:

And that was another lie. Thankfully, the jail had taped MJ the entire time.

You are exactly right. I think MJ tried his hardest to make the public view him as the victim in all of that mess & it all blew up in his face. That is when I really started distrusting anything he said.

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 11:28 PM

They did?? Hey how about a link to something you state as fact?

Read the reports from the AG who investigated it, he tells about MJ being on video the entire time he was inside the building. That is how their investigation determined he was not roughly handled in any way.

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 11:30 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/29/lawyers-from-mj-molestation-case-want/

Geeze! I would think MJ would have made danged sure Messereau, of all people, would have been promptly paid! Just more evidence to me that MJ did not care for anyone but himself.

warhorse46

09-29-2009, 11:45 PM

About that police brutality... the reason he was even arrested was based on a WHOPPER of lies. The reason any of that occured was because of a vindictive and corrupt prosecutor, who knowingly attempted to put an innocent man in prison. Michael was the victim of a malicious prosecution. Nevermind that he was fully exonerated of ALL the charges, the focus is still on something Michael said in response to being arrested on those bogus charges.
:mad:

You have totally missed the point. MJ made accusations that were proven to be false against Law Officers who were simply doing their job. They had NOTHING to do with the actions of Mr. Sneddon. If MJ wanted to be snarky to Sneddon then so be it but why drag innocent officers into his web of lies just to make himself look like a victim?

ResJudicata

09-30-2009, 12:37 AM

You have totally missed the point. MJ made accusations that were proven to be false against Law Officers who were simply doing their job. They had NOTHING to do with the actions of Mr. Sneddon. If MJ wanted to be snarky to Sneddon then so be it but why drag innocent officers into his web of lies just to make himself look like a victim?

No, I didn't miss the point. I simply made another point. While MJ might not have had a dislocated shoulder, maybe it felt that way to him. I doubt that except for his father, no one had ever handled him like that...like they handle a criminal, and its quite possible he did feel physically injured. He didn't file formal allegations against anyone, he mentioned it during a conversation.

ResJudicata

09-30-2009, 12:44 AM

Geeze! I would think MJ would have made danged sure Messereau, of all people, would have been promptly paid! Just more evidence to me that MJ did not care for anyone but himself.

I think its more evidence of the deep depression that he suffered, where he cared about nothing. The trial, with the lies and betrayal totally destroyed his spirit, and nothing mattered after that. He gave up his beautful Neverland, and sunk deeper and deeper into depression. I happened to hear Mr. Messereau shortly after MJ's death, and he said some very thoughtful and kind things about MJ, and I really doubt he would want anybody slamming Michael on his behalf.

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:15 AM

You are exactly right. I think MJ tried his hardest to make the public view him as the victim in all of that mess & it all blew up in his face. That is when I really started distrusting anything he said.

Exactly.

The public loved the young MJ and we sure tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. Heck, even after the first allegation. But he was a professional victim, imo--like everything and everyone was out to hurt him and he suffered so.

I've said this before, but I have seen raw physical and emotional pain of children living in the worst abusive and neglectful situations and abject poverty. And I have yet to know one--20+ yrs later--who wanted to be seen as a victim, or see/saw themselves as one.

It's a strange phenomenon, the wanting to be seen as a victim.

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:17 AM

Geeze! I would think MJ would have made danged sure Messereau, of all people, would have been promptly paid! Just more evidence to me that MJ did not care for anyone but himself.

I thought the same thing. One would think that MJ would have paid Messereau. Geeze louise. But off he was to Bahrain (sp) and his shopping sprees, knowing all the while that he had not paid the very man to whom he owed his freedom.

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:18 AM

snipped. I happened to hear Mr. Messereau shortly after MJ's death, and he said some very thoughtful and kind things about MJ, and I really doubt he would want anybody slamming Michael on his behalf.

It's not "slamming" anyone to try to get a bill due for several years paid.

ResJudicata

09-30-2009, 01:20 AM

If I recall correctly, there was some question about Michael and his charitable spirit, and I believe this one was thrown about against MJ:

Michael Jackson’s estate filed a suit in federal court against Heal the World Foundation Tuesday accusing the organization of cybersquatting, trademark infringement and using the superstar’s name and likeness without permission in a bid to trick fans into thinking they are making donations to a Jackson-sanctioned cause.

According to the suit filed in Los Angeles by special administrators for the Jackson estate John McClain and John Branca, the defendants have registered for six trademarks and applied for 41additional ones. Those applications, the suit alleges, “uniquely and unmistakably point to Mr. Jackson and his persona” and are intended “to cause confusion, mistake and to deceive.”

Jackson established his own Heal the World Foundation in 1992, naming it after his iconic hit song “Heal the World.” But that charitable organization has no relation to the defendants and ceased to function before the entertainer’s death. The suit alleges that Heal the World cybersquatted by establishing such deliberately misleading domain names as “mjaid.net,” “mjquotes.net” and “healtheworldfoundation.net.”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/09/jackson-estate-sues-heal-the-world.html

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:21 AM

You have totally missed the point. MJ made accusations that were proven to be false against Law Officers who were simply doing their job. They had NOTHING to do with the actions of Mr. Sneddon. If MJ wanted to be snarky to Sneddon then so be it but why drag innocent officers into his web of lies just to make himself look like a victim?

Exactly so.

Because it was what MJ always did. But the jail personnel had his taped the whole time. And like, for real, did anyone really believe those lies about how he was locked in a bathroom for 45 mins and they dislocated his shoulder and the huge painted-on "bruise" MJ showed on 60 Mins? :rolleyes: Preposterous.

ResJudicata

09-30-2009, 01:22 AM

It's not "slamming" anyone to try to get a bill due for several years paid.

Its not your bill.

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:37 AM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h9a7kycTsBsS5YVilTVuapWmQ4JgD9B1ASUO0

Bill is for work between Jul 2005-Feb 06

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:38 AM

ET can confirm that attorneys Thomas Mesereau Jr. and Susan Yu have filed a $341,452 claim against Jackson's estate. The attorneys claim they are owed the money for legal services rendered after the trial, from approximately July 2005 through February 2006.

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/09/79202/

sallemae

09-30-2009, 02:31 AM

While Sharpton still supports Jackson's view on the record industry overall, Sharpton told the New York Post that he was unaware that the pop star would vilify Mottola, an action he said was unfair and unfounded.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1455976/20020708/jackson_michael.jhtml

Where does it state Sharpton thought MJ lied?

sallemae

09-30-2009, 02:37 AM

You might want to curb your urge to slam your fellow posters with every post you make. It's against TOS here. Perhaps not at the other message boards you frequent.

I don't think every post I make is a "slam" to my fellow posters? And you didn't need to come to their rescue! If they didn't want it out there, they wouldn't have typed it! Right! imo

But thanks anyway...:wink:

sallemae

09-30-2009, 03:04 AM

unfounded: adj. Having no foundation of reason or fact.

Where does it say "lie" Sharpton never said it! imo

Firehead11

09-30-2009, 07:30 AM

Maybe read the entire article. What you posted is only a portion of a sentence.

This is the link I posted:http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=michael+jackson+injured&go=&form=QBIR#focal=419f034d74e54dd237cbc29ea5b82e7f&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwwwimage.cbsnews.com%2Fimages%2F 2003%2F12%2F28%2Fimage590405g.jpg

This is the entire article I read:

CBS) In his first interview since his arrest on child molestation charges, Michael Jackson tells Ed Bradley the charges against him are motivated by money, and says he shared a bed with a grown man many times when he was a boy.

He also says police deliberately injured him and humiliated him by locking him in a feces-covered men's room during his arrest.

The pop star says it’s still okay to share his bed with children.

"Of course. Why not? If you’re going to be a pedophile, if you’re going to be Jack the Ripper, if you’re going to be a murderer, it’s not a good idea. That I am not."

He says that while he was in police custody, officers locked him in a feces-smeared bathroom for 45 minutes in order to belittle him and take away his pride.

"There was doo doo - feces - thrown all over the walls, the floor, the ceiling," he tells Bradley. "And it stunk so bad. Then one of the policemen came by the window. And he made a sarcastic remark... 'How do you like the smell? Is it good?' And I just simply said, 'It's alright. It's okay.' So, I just sat there, and waited."

He also says the police handcuffed him in such a way so as to hurt his back. "Now I can't move," he tells Bradley, and the injury "keeps me from sleeping at night. I can't sleep at night."
But he vehemently denies the charges against him. An impassioned Jackson says, "Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists," in reaction to a Bradley question about the charges brought against him that he molested a young boy.

When Bradley asks Jackson if he would allow his own children to sleep in a bed with a grown man who was not a relative, or to sleep in that man's bedroom, Jackson replies, "Sure, if I know that person, trust them, and love them. That's happened many times with me when I was little."

Jackson also says he does not blame the youngster involved in the case for bringing the accusations against him. Instead, he said, "Somewhere, greed got in there, and somebody…I can't quite say. But it has to do with money. 'It's Michael Jackson. Look what we have here. We can get money out of this…' That's exactly what happened."

When Bradley asks him why a child would accuse Jackson of sexual molestation if it weren't true, Jackson replies, "Because parents have power over children. They feel they have to do what their parents say. But the love of money is the root of all evil. And this is a sweet child. And to see him turn like this, this isn't him. This is not him."

Jackson says people will believe the worst about him "if they have a sick mind. And if they believe the trash they read in newspapers."

He adds, "Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel. People write negatives things, cause they feel that's what sells."

Jackson also says that the police search of Neverland Ranch was overdone and so violated his privacy that his home will never be the same.

He tells Bradley, "I won’t live there ever again. It’s a house now. It’s not a home anymore. I’ll only visit."

The interview took place on Christmas night in a Los Angeles hotel. The pop star has been charged with performing lewd acts with a child under 14.

That is why I went looking for the transcripts. Understand my point. I did orginally post the entire article due to bandwidth, but on this article do you see anything about a dislocated shoulder?

sallemae

09-30-2009, 09:38 AM

I thought the same thing. One would think that MJ would have paid Messereau. Geeze louise. But off he was to Bahrain (sp) and his shopping sprees, knowing all the while that he had not paid the very man to whom he owed his freedom.

Do you really think MJ went to the mail box and opened his mail????:rolleyes:

Do you really think MJ wrote checks out of a check book?:confused:

Why do you make it a big deal that all outstanding debt is being sent to his estate to be paid? Where else would it go?

Common sense people! imo

flipflop

09-30-2009, 10:06 AM

Michael Jackson's three children Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket were snapped by paps in Los Angeles, California on Monday while an outing with nanny Grace Rwaramba and a few family members.

The kids were dressed properly for the warm late September day: Prince Michael wore a shirt bearing the image of Bruce Lee, Paris had a shirt with the image of a bunny and young Blanket showed off his long locks while sporting purple, open-toe sandals.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/jackson-three-enjoy-day-los-angeles

GentleBreeze

09-30-2009, 10:06 AM

I think its more evidence of the deep depression that he suffered, where he cared about nothing. The trial, with the lies and betrayal totally destroyed his spirit, and nothing mattered after that. He gave up his beautful Neverland, and sunk deeper and deeper into depression. I happened to hear Mr. Messereau shortly after MJ's death, and he said some very thoughtful and kind things about MJ, and I really doubt he would want anybody slamming Michael on his behalf.

Exactly.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/04/earlyshow/main5287854.shtml

Tom Mesereau, Jackson's friend and attorney who attended last's night interment, told CBS "Early Show" anchor Maggie Rodriguez there were many moments at the ceremony that stood out for him.

"It was a ceremony that incorporated so many wonderful aspects of Michael Jackson," he said. "It was happy, it was sad, heavy, soft, light. There was a lot of magic in the air. Everyone sitting there just soaked in just the beauty and the magic and just the happy aspects of this very unique person.

"But I think when the three children carried the crown to the casket, it was just a wonderfully moving moment that I will never forget."

Mesereau said the mood was quite different from the Staples Center memorial service.

"Well, I think both occasions had a lot to do with who the person Michael is," Mesereau said. "Michael had a universal quality where he reached out to mankind to try to heal the world through art, through music, through love, through kindness.

"And there was the individual who would just, if he helped a child from the inner city with some ice cream or introduced him to one his animals at Neverland, it would put a smile on his face.

"This was a very, very special and unique person, and I think both services brought out a lot about who Michael really was."

Firehead11

09-30-2009, 10:32 AM

flipflop

09-30-2009, 10:55 AM

Thank You for the link. Also nice to know that Grace is back in their lives.

Welcome. I was happy to see her mentioned also. They look great. Too bad we didn't get to see little Blanket. :smile:

flipflop

09-30-2009, 10:56 AM

I think Blanket needs some new shoes. Those are far too small for him, his toes are hanging off the edge.

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/22805/2009/09/michael-jacksons-kids-have-day-out

With the allowence those children are allowed, you'd think Blanket would have on a decent pair of shoes!

Oh, I guess we did see Blanket. Thanks for the link.

Shameonme

09-30-2009, 11:11 AM

I think Blanket needs some new shoes. Those are far too small for him, his toes are hanging off the edge.

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/22805/2009/09/michael-jacksons-kids-have-day-out

With the allowence those children are allowed, you'd think Blanket would have on a decent pair of shoes!

At least they were allowed to go out without those Halloween masks on. They look like normal kids enjoying themselves. Good for them!

warhorse46

09-30-2009, 11:20 AM

No, I didn't miss the point. I simply made another point. While MJ might not have had a dislocated shoulder, maybe it felt that way to him. I doubt that except for his father, no one had ever handled him like that...like they handle a criminal, and its quite possible he did feel physically injured. He didn't file formal allegations against anyone, he mentioned it during a conversation.

He mentioned it during a formal, TAPED interview, knowing it would hit the air ways & be seen by millions of viewers, not just a conversation. IMO it was a blatant lie designed strictly to try to garner sympathy for MJ.

warhorse46

09-30-2009, 11:26 AM

warhorse46

09-30-2009, 11:37 AM

Welcome. I was happy to see her mentioned also. They look great. Too bad we didn't get to see little Blanket. :smile:

Huh? Blanket is the last photo in that series. Blanket with his 1/2 size too small purple shoes.

flipflop

09-30-2009, 11:46 AM

Huh? Blanket is the last photo in that series. Blanket with his 1/2 size too small purple shoes.

Yes. I made another post right after that one. Thank you, though.

Firehead11

09-30-2009, 12:11 PM

Welcome. I was happy to see her mentioned also. They look great. Too bad we didn't get to see little Blanket. :smile:

Blanket was there if you looked at all 5 pictures. :confused:

flipflop

09-30-2009, 12:12 PM

Blanket was there if you looked at all 5 pictures. :confused:

I realized that after I saw another post. Sorry for all the confusion. Thank you, though. :smile:

GentleBreeze

09-30-2009, 12:26 PM

Yeah he was so depressed he skipped off to a foreign country, to live in a palace & go on multiple multithousand dollar spending trips. I am not buying the depressed theory, IMO that is just an excuse for bad behavior in this particular case.

I am not sure that doesn't show he was in a state of depression.

I have read that people who are extremely depressed go on spending sprees.

imo

warhorse46

09-30-2009, 12:35 PM

Can we add cheap & cheesy purple shoes to the description?

While we're at it, unless Paris just had a pedicure, those cheap plastic flip flops she's wearing are awful!

I do hope Katherine is required to produce receipts and has to account for every penny she allegedly spends on those children.

IIRC producing receipts for all expenditures is a requirement for Katherine.

warhorse46

09-30-2009, 12:39 PM

I am not sure that doesn't show he was in a state of depression.

I have read that people who are extremely depressed go on spending sprees.

imo

I don't think that applies here since MJ went on spending sprees frequently during his life time. It was sop for him, normal behavior.

Eagleeye

09-30-2009, 12:53 PM

This is the picture which Michael Jackson claims is proof that he suffered brutal treatment following his arrest five weeks ago.
Taken shortly afterwards, it shows a large bruise and swelling to the 45-year-old star's right arm.

He claims it was caused by handcuffs put on him by police in Santa Barbara, California.
"They tied them too tight behind my back," he said.
"And they put it in a certain position, knowing that it's going to hurt and affect my back.
"Now I can't move. It keeps me from sleeping at night."

Jackson produced the picture during an interview with American TV in which he protested his innocence of child sex charges while insisting there was nothing wrong with sleeping with youngsters.
He said the police "manhandled me very roughly.
"My shoulder is dislocated, literally".
The claims were rejected by police, who said Jackson's lawyer had even congratulated them on their treatment of the star.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-204891/The-police-hurt-says-Jacko.html

Some here say that MJ did not say that his shoulder was dislocated. I am sure most of you have seen the video where he made this statement on American TV. I am trying to find a link to that video. It was the pitiful video where he cried that he was a victim of police brutality.

daniel green

09-30-2009, 12:54 PM

daniel green

09-30-2009, 12:56 PM

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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/jackson-three-enjoy-day-los-angeles

I cannot get that link to work. Says access denied.

Does anyone have a good link for it?

Many thx.

GentleBreeze

09-30-2009, 01:02 PM

I don't think that applies here since MJ went on spending sprees frequently during his life time. It was sop for him, normal behavior.

I am not sure we can rule it out. From what I have read the spending sprees really became worse right around the time he had been accused and awaiting trial and afterward.

Now as much money as this man has made over his lifetime he regular shopping would be nothing in comparison to the average Joe Schmo anyway but I do think it picked up and that can be from being in a depressive state.

imo

ResJudicata

09-30-2009, 01:11 PM

I am not sure that doesn't show he was in a state of depression.

I have read that people who are extremely depressed go on spending sprees.

imo

I'd be depressed too if I was the victim of such a malicious prosecution. Here is part of an article where Mr. Messereau talks about suing Sneddon for malicious prosecution.

Mr Mesereau said on CNN’s Larry King Live that he was sure there was a case for malicious prosecution.

Asked if he thought Mr Sneddon’s case was malicious, Mr Mesereau replied: “I do. I think that he was treated in a way that no one else would’ve been similarly treated. It was because he was a mega-celebrity.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article533828.ece

Eagleeye

09-30-2009, 01:21 PM

I am not sure that doesn't show he was in a state of depression.

I have read that people who are extremely depressed go on spending sprees.

imo

Didn't look too depressed here.

"Superstar Michael Jackson’s spending sprees on weird and wonderful objects were legendary.
And RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that the King Of Pop’s final purchase ranked with his strangest after he splashed-out $9,000 on these three macabre medical wax anatomy figures."
Click here to see the figures (http://www.1stdibs.com/store/furniture_item_detail.php?id=125800)

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-video-interview-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-wall-shopping-spree-wax-heads

sallemae

09-30-2009, 01:25 PM

The problem I have with LIARS, is everything they claim is suspect. I am having a hard time with even Michael Jackson's claims that his father "had a whole ritual" and would "oil him up" before a beating. That doesn't ring true to me.....and I think Joe was abusive.

He didn't file formal allegations against anyone because his lawyer informed him everything was taped.

Michael Jackson mentioned it during a conversation? :rolleyes: On NATIONAL TELEVISION.

Michael loved the media when it suited his purpose, and he thought he could manipulate it. How ironic and hypocritical to continually slam the media for simply doing their job.

The media's job....:rolleyes:

Zenyatta

09-30-2009, 01:26 PM

I don't think that applies here since MJ went on spending sprees frequently during his life time. It was sop for him, normal behavior.

Thank you, warhorse.

Good point. Also, people who are truly suffering from extreme depression have neither the interest nor energy to engage in global shopping sprees, per the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual:

http://depression.about.com/cs/diagnosis/a/mdd.htm

If someone wants to make an excuse for Jackson's excessive spending/shopping habits, it would make more sense to attribute it to the manic phase of bipolar disorder, or as symptomatic of an addictive personality, in my opinion.

Firehead11

09-30-2009, 01:28 PM

Didn't look too depressed here.

"Superstar Michael Jackson’s spending sprees on weird and wonderful objects were legendary.
And RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that the King Of Pop’s final purchase ranked with his strangest after he splashed-out $9,000 on these three macabre medical wax anatomy figures."
Click here to see the figures (http://www.1stdibs.com/store/furniture_item_detail.php?id=125800)

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-video-interview-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-wall-shopping-spree-wax-heads

The two videos that are in your links:
Jackson visited the Off The Wall antiques store on Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles just before he died with his three kids Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket, all in tow.
The top one if from a short time before he died.

See video below of Jackson shopping at Off The Wall back in October, 2003
The leg shows muscle and bone and all the pieces are detailed to the finest extreme and were used in medical schools as aids.

The bottom one is from before the accusation and trial.
I do not see one for right after the trial.

Eagleeye

09-30-2009, 01:32 PM

The two videos that are in your links:
Jackson visited the Off The Wall antiques store on Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles just before he died with his three kids Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket, all in tow.
The top one if from a short time before he died.

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The bottom one is from before the accusation and trial.
I do not see one for right after the trial.

I have no idea what your point is.

Firehead11

09-30-2009, 01:35 PM

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/compulsive-shopping-linked-to-depression-anxiety_10096268.html

In the course of three separate studies, researchers found that compulsive buying was linked to materialism, reduced self-esteem, depression, anxiety and stress.
Authors Nancy M. Ridgway and Monika Kukar-Kinney, from the University of Richmond and Kent B. Monroe from the University of Illinois developed a new scale for measuring compulsive buying.

The scale comprises nine questions, and the authors believe it does a better job than previous measures of identifying people who engage in compulsive shopping.

“The scale is designed to identify consumers who have a strong urge to buy, regularly spend a lot of money, and have difficulty resisting the impulse to buy,” they explained.

Previous measures depend in large part on the consequences of shopping, such as financial difficulties and family strain over money matters.

But the authors explained that compulsive shoppers with higher incomes may experience fewer financial consequences yet still have compulsive tendencies.

Compulsive shoppers had positive feelings associated with buying, and they also tended to hide purchases, return items, have more family arguments, and possessed more maxed-out credit cards.

Researchers found that approximately 8.9 percent of the population they studied were compulsive shoppers, compared with five percent who were identified with the current clinical screener.

The study is scheduled for publication in the December issue of the Journal of Consumer Research.

Firehead11

09-30-2009, 01:38 PM

I have no idea what your point is.

The point, why would Jackson look depressed before the child molestion charges or before he was to start his 50 concert series?

warhorse46

09-30-2009, 01:48 PM

I'd be depressed too if I was the victim of such a malicious prosecution. Here is part of an article where Mr. Messereau talks about suing Sneddon for malicious prosecution.

Mr Mesereau said on CNN’s Larry King Live that he was sure there was a case for malicious prosecution.

Asked if he thought Mr Sneddon’s case was malicious, Mr Mesereau replied: “I do. I think that he was treated in a way that no one else would’ve been similarly treated. It was because he was a mega-celebrity.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article533828.ece

Typical defense lawyer smoke & mirrors talk. Most of them say the same thing about their clients.

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:56 PM

Yeah he was so depressed he skipped off to a foreign country, to live in a palace & go on multiple multithousand dollar spending trips. I am not buying the depressed theory, IMO that is just an excuse for bad behavior in this particular case.

You are exactly right.

The tapes were BEFORE the arrest and there he was so deppressed, in such pain. Always trying to make excuses.

But by then the world had gotten really tired of and were totally over the excuses for bad behavior.

daniel green

09-30-2009, 01:59 PM

IIRC producing receipts for all expenditures is a requirement for Katherine.

I don't think she is since the Court agreed to give her those massive sums for herself and for the children each month till the estate is figured out, etc.

ResJudicata

09-30-2009, 02:13 PM

Michael Jackson's Broken Heart

Michael Jackson and his death from a broken heart.
As the world today tries to come to grips with the sudden passing of Michael Jackson, I've been remembering the time I was living in Santa Ynez, a couple of miles from Neverland Ranch, at the time Jackson was charged with sexual abuse. When I first began to watch the trial, I was simply curious about this singer whose music I liked and wondered if he, in fact, was a sexual predator. However, as an attorney, I was so horrified by the misconduct of the prosecutor that it was difficult to address the facts of the case.

As the trial progressed, it became clear to me that District Attorney Thomas Sneddon was prosecuting Jackson quite incorrectly for reasons of personal gain. My heart went out to Michael; it was obvious that he was being persecuted, not prosecuted. The trial was long and terribly exhausting (even for a strong person, which he was not). Michael grew weaker and weaker each day. I was jubilant when he was found not guilty, not because I believed he was innocent, but because I believed the trial was a travesty of justice. I was also glad the trial was over because I feared Michael might not physically recover.

When the trial ended, I continued to follow his career with great interest. In researching his history, I realized that the vicious physical and emotional abuse that had been his lot as a child, and the stardom thrust upon him at such a young age, had robbed him of a childhood that he desperately tried to recapture as an adult. As he sadly discovered, we can't ever turn that clock back.

The coping mechanisms he used to deal with his inner pain-with the conflict between the child who hadn't had a chance and the adult who couldn't face his reality-never worked. His self-admitted addiction to prescription drugs, which possibly started with getting burned in a fire in the late ‘80s, was certainly aggravated by the trial and by the multiple lawsuits with which he had to contend. An autopsy will undoubtedly show the drug problem to have been a contributing factor in his cardiac arrest.

There was also the lack of vitality and other problems that stem from the likely probability Jackson was an anorectic. How that bird-like physique could have pounded out 10-hour rehearsals, to be followed by a year on the road putting on the huge extravaganzas his fans relished, is hard to imagine. He certainly suffered from social isolation and withdrawal, both closely related to anorexia and depression. Who wouldn't be depressed and grieving over the loss of status as the King of Pop and being $300 million in debt? His history of multiple cosmetic surgeries also indicates he suffered from dysmorphobia, the obsessive preoccupation with body parts (the nose, for example) that are felt to be ugly or somehow abnormal. No matter how many times he looked in mirror, he never looked all right to himself.

Jackson may have known, deep down, that he couldn't really handle the rigors of the upcoming tour. He always wanted his performances to be perfect. Add in the tension of his financial situation, the damage to his reputation from the sexual abuse charges, and the extended loss of the love of the people (he said he wanted to live on stage, basking in the applause of standing ovations, and he hadn't performed in many many years), and I believe his heart was as damaged by the stress of his emotions as by the drugs.

I always wished Michael could have found some real help to banish his childhood demons and build a stronger adult self. Once again, adult dysfunction coming from childhood abuse has robbed us too soon of all that Michael Jackson was and could have been. I believe his impact on us will be even larger after his death than it was in his glittering, one-gloved life.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mining-the-headlines/200906/michael-jacksons-broken-heart

Good article.

MK~ULTRA

09-30-2009, 02:37 PM

Michael Jackson's Broken Heart

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I was jubilant when he was found not guilty, not because I believed he was innocent, but because I believed the trial was a travesty of justice.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mining-the-headlines/200906/michael-jacksons-broken-heart

Good article.

I wonder if she believes Michael Jackson was guilty as charged.

Eagleeye

09-30-2009, 04:17 PM

OK, I am the last person in the world that would ever defend Michael Jackson's "weirdness".

That being said, His children were home schooled...I can't think of a single better tool to teach anatomy........

I bought my son a budget bucky from Anatomical Chart Company...back when he was only about $100.bucks.

I am not sure that was his intention but I would think if it was he could have gotten a whole plastic body with skeleton for 9 grand. Yeh? :smile:

Zenyatta

09-30-2009, 04:25 PM

OK, I am the last person in the world that would ever defend Michael Jackson's "weirdness".

That being said, His children were home schooled...I can't think of a single better tool to teach anatomy........

I bought my son a budget bucky from Anatomical Chart Company...back when he was only about $100.bucks.

LOL...now who is helping them out? Next we'll be told that any publications containing nude pictures in MJ's possession were part of MJ's home schooling curriculum for his children. Anatomy 101. ;)

LadyFuzz

09-30-2009, 04:52 PM

I am not sure that was his intention but I would think if it was he could have gotten a whole plastic body with skeleton for 9 grand. Yeh? :smile:

What for??? He had all those mannequins. :biggrin:

Eagleeye

09-30-2009, 05:35 PM

What for??? He had all those mannequins. :biggrin:

Male or Female? :wink:

LadyFuzz

09-30-2009, 09:50 PM

I think the shoes are ok, sometimes my feet slide forward
when wearing something like that.

I do think both boys need a haircut. But that's just my opinion. :smile:

I don't know about purple for a boy. Maybe they are hand me downs from Paris. They look like girls shoes. imo

tiptop

09-30-2009, 10:10 PM

tiptop

09-30-2009, 10:12 PM

As long as hair is clean, I am okay with it:)

Yes, same here. Just another way for kids to express themselves.

GentleBreeze

09-30-2009, 11:06 PM

I think the pics are nice of the kids. They look happy. Seems like Prince carries himself well. And he looks beyond his years IMO. I think it will be cool to watch them grow up. Time goes by quickly and they will be adults before we know it.

That is true and they all looked so relaxed enjoying a normal day out.

I am a grandmother of 11 but I like long hair on a boy if it looks well on them and they have the right textured hair to wear it long. It is good that Prince and Blanket don't have the same haircuts. They seem to have their own personalities and individuality. Prince walks assertively. I am sure he likes being the oldest brother.

To me Blanket just favors Michael so much. I don't care what color shoes he wears or if they are too short for him. He may love those shoes and they could be his favorite sandals. I see boys wearing purple shoes and we have to remember too this is in California where the dress attire is to each his own.

When I saw his shoes it reminded me of what Janet said about Michael when they were growing up and how Michael wanted to wear the same shoes all the time. :wink:

I think they are just adorable children and I think it will be great to see them grow up.

imo

daniel green

09-30-2009, 11:47 PM

I watched ET last night and they had Jermaine on and they asked him
if he had heard the tapes the writer of MoonWalk (?), the MJ autobiography has--where MJ is calling his brothers losers and whiners. Jermaine said he had not heard that.

warhorse46

09-30-2009, 11:54 PM

I think the shoes are ok, sometimes my feet slide forward
when wearing something like that.

I do think both boys need a haircut. But that's just my opinion. :smile:

Nah, look @ the back, his heels are even with the edge of the shoe while his toes are lapping over the front edge.

Xenam

10-01-2009, 08:29 AM

Knowing children -- it could be just a favorite pair of shoes too! Parents have to pick their battles. When I think of what my children insisted on when they were younger -- I just chuckle including not matching their clothes or wanting to wear shoes two sizes too small because they just loved them that much. :laugh: Just may be the case here with those shoes too! Maybe MJ even bought them and they are some kind of security symbol. JMO

flipflop

10-01-2009, 01:41 PM

ABC

10-01-2009, 01:51 PM

Drug ODs have gone ahead of car accidents in the leading cause of accidental deaths in 16 states and counting noted in the paper today. Just as Dr Perper, Dr Cyril, Dr Braden and Dr Lee have been saying. There is nothing unusual about ODing and folks do it to themselves in amazing numbers. Clearly they don't need any help. Common to everyone who does lots of self medicating.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 01:53 PM

Michael Jackson -- Healthy Drug Addict
Posted Oct 1st 2009 12:24PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson was reportedly in good health at the time of his death ... other than the fact that his body was riddled with injection sites and had arthritis and lung damage.

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Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Sheuuh8e

I knew it would never show the alleged Lupus MJ did not have.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 01:58 PM

Nah, look @ the back, his heels are even with the edge of the shoe while his toes are lapping over the front edge.

Yes, they were way too small for him.

And while I have no problem with long hair on boys when they are preteens/teens--Blanket's hair looks a mess. Way too long and scraggly. He just looks uncomfortable with it. Boys playing outside seem much happier and more comfotable with short hair. Or at least pulled into a ponytail if it's long.

MK~ULTRA

10-01-2009, 01:58 PM

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:01 PM

More details on the Michael Jackson autopsy. According to a new report, Jackson had Osteoarthritis which was visible on his lower spine and fingers.

He had dark tatoos on his eyebrows and around his eyes and a dark tattoo on the front of his scalp -- possibly to cover bald spots.

The report says he was balding and suffered a skin disease. We've previously reported Jackson suffered from vitiligo.

His heart was strong but his lungs were inflamed.

The report says Jackson's stomach had no obvious signs of pills, nor were illegal drugs or alcohol detected.

The manner of death -- already reported to be a homicide -- was based in part on Propofol administered in a non-hospital setting.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Shjt71SJ

MK~ULTRA

10-01-2009, 02:03 PM

I knew it would never show the alleged Lupus MJ did not have.

While I don't believe Michael Jackson had Lupus I did notice in the MSNBC article about the autopsy it states: "The full autopsy report has not been released publicly, but the AP obtained a copy."

I'm curious how much of the autopsy report the Associated Press plans on making public.

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 02:09 PM

Michael Jackson -- Healthy Drug Addict
Posted Oct 1st 2009 12:24PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson was reportedly in good health at the time of his death ... other than the fact that his body was riddled with injection sites and had arthritis and lung damage.

It sounds preposterous, but a new report claims the autopsy findings conclude Jackson was a fairly healthy 50-year-old and none of his health issues were life-threatening.

What doesn't make sense: Jackson was taking multiple powerful medicines -- sometimes in dangerous combination -- and the needle marks on his body underscore his addiction to anesthetics and other drugs. So how does that make him "fairly healthy?"

According to the report, Jackson -- who was 5'9" -- weighed 136 pounds at the time of his death.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Sheuuh8e

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=434241&GT1=28102

My question would be, why did these/this doctor get to see the autopsy report and we haven't. And why didn't he mention the tox report?

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:11 PM

The post mortem did not uncover any physical problems that may have limited Jackson's ability to perform. "His overall health was fine," said Dr Zeev Kain of the University of California, who reviewed the report for AP but was not involved in the post-mortem examination. "The results are in normal limits," he added. The report also revealed that Jackson had a number of scars on his body, including behind his ears and beside each of his nostrils. Dr Kain concluded they were likely to have been caused by cosmetic surgery, while others, including on the knee, were likely to have been created by medical procedures.

The document also states that the singer was bald at the front of his head and had what appeared to be a dark tattoo stretching across his head. His remaining hair was described as short and tightly-curled, it added. The coroner reported that Jackson had depigmentation of the skin around his face, chest, abdomen and arms.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8285841.stm

Leanne Weich

10-01-2009, 02:11 PM

An AP report with more info. on what was found at MJ's autopsy.

http://www.newser.com/article/d9b2dueg0/ap-exclusive-michael-jacksons-autopsy-report-shows-he-was-a-fairly-healthy-50-year-old.html

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:13 PM

Details of Michael Jackson autopsy

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20091001/us-michael-jackson-autopsy-glance/

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 02:14 PM

Yes, they were way too small for him.

And while I have no problem with long hair on boys when they are preteens/teens--Blanket's hair looks a mess. Way too long and scraggly. He just looks uncomfortable with it. Boys playing outside seem much happier and more comfotable with short hair. Or at least pulled into a ponytail if it's long.

I think Blanket's hair is beautiful. I also think he should be able to wear whatever shoes he wants, without the public feeling the need to weigh in on it.

Its...my opinion.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:16 PM

http://blog.taragana.com/law/2009/10/01/ap-exclusive-michael-jacksons-autopsy-report-shows-he-was-a-fairly-healthy-50-year-old-13440/

*¾-inch scar behind his left ear and another apparent scar behind his right ear.
*scar beside each of his nostrils and another, 4-inch scar on his right shoulder.
*pr of additional about 3-inches long at the base of his neck and smaller scars on his arms and wrist
*small scar near his navel and a 2-inch scar on the right-hand side of his abdomen.
scars appeared to be from plastic surgery

*numerous punctures on both arms/knee/ankle.

tattoos-- both eyebrows and under his eyes, and a pink tattoo around his lips.
bald part of his scalp was darkened with what appeared to be a tattoo stretching across the top of his head from ear to ear.

Jackson was actively producing sperm

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 02:18 PM

An AP report with more info. on what was found at MJ's autopsy.

http://www.newser.com/article/d9b2dueg0/ap-exclusive-michael-jacksons-autopsy-report-shows-he-was-a-fairly-healthy-50-year-old.html

According to the link you provided it states that no other drugs _ legal or otherwise _ were detected, nor was any alcohol.

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 02:18 PM

Autopsy shocker: Jackson was healthy (http://news.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view/20091001autopsy_shocker_jackson_was_healthy/srvc=home&position=recent)

Associated Press article. No copying allowed.

It says in the above article that one of Michael Jackson's "most serious" health issues was his lungs, which the autopsy states were "chronically inflamed" and "had reduced capacity that might have left him short of breath."

Sounds to me like Michael Jackson indeed was a smoker. But was it marijuana or cigarettes?

I think I read that Michael had some sort of lung condition, but since I don't have the book with me, I can't reference it right now.

I seriously doubt that he smoked cigarettes, and if the report is true that he had no illegal drugs in his system, that would rule out marijuana, at least having used it within the previous 30 or more days, as I'm sure you already know that it stays in the system for quite a long time.

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 02:23 PM

OMG.....

I wonder if they tested his hair for any long time drug use.

Also there goes that theory that he took medicines without the doctor knowing about it.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:24 PM

The autopsy did, however, reveal that Jackson's arms were indeed riddled with punctures, had scarring of the face and neck, and had tattooed lips and eyebrows.
...

"The drugs Propofol and Lorazepam were found to be the primary drugs responsible for Mr. Jackson's death. Other drugs detected were: Midazolam, Diazepam, Lidocaine and Ephedrine," the announcement went on to state.

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79278/

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 02:25 PM

OMG.....

I wonder if they tested his hair for any long time drug use.

Also there goes that theory that he took medicines without the doctor knowing about it.

Yes. This can't be good news for Mr. Murray.

Poochie Pie

10-01-2009, 02:26 PM

OMG.....

I wonder if they tested his hair for any long time drug use.

Also there goes that theory that he took medicines without the doctor knowing about it. Yep... Just ONE of the many "theories" that will be debunked when all is said and done, Firehead... IMO

Poochie

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 02:28 PM

Yep... Just ONE of the many "theories" that will be debunked when all is said and done, Firehead... IMO

Poochie

This just makes me sick.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:29 PM

Although the document claims that the King of Pop's arms were covered with puncture wounds, and scars covered his face and neck, it says Jackson was "fairly healthy" before his death. The report also states that Michael had tattooed eyebrows and lips. Jackson reportedly weighed 136 pounds at the time of his death, which falls within the acceptable range for his 5'9" frame, although some sources list his height at 5'11". He had minor arthritis and his lungs were damaged, but his heart was strong.

Read more: http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2009/10/michael_jackson_healthy_before_death.php#ixzz0Shr6 kIT4

Poochie Pie

10-01-2009, 02:29 PM

Yes. This can't be good news for Mr. Murray. I agree Res....!! Just the fact that the word "propofol" is mentioned in nearly every report that comes out re MJ's death is definitely NOT in Dr. Murray's favor, IMO

Poochie

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 02:32 PM

Now I wish we knew what the levels of these drugs were. Unreal.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:33 PM

More details on the Michael Jackson autopsy. According to a new report, Jackson had osteoarthritis which was visible on his lower spine and fingers.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Shs060Sp

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:34 PM

Yes. This can't be good news for Mr. Murray.

It is not "news," except to the public. The LAPD, coroner, Jackson family, Dr M have known about this for months now.

It appears that the original rerports we dismissed as rumors were actually correct, weren't they?

Interesting that MJ was 5'9" and not 5'11" as was always claimed.

Poochie Pie

10-01-2009, 02:37 PM

This just makes me sick. Same here, Fire... BEYOND sick...

Poochie

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 02:47 PM

Poochie Pie

10-01-2009, 02:49 PM

It is not "news," except to the public. The LAPD, coroner, Jackson family, Dr M have known about this for months now.

It appears that the original rerports we dismissed as rumors were actually correct, weren't they?

Interesting that MJ was 5'9" and not 5'11" as was always claimed. Thanks for the Links daniel... You know, in the scheme of things, it's really quite trivial to me whether he was 5'9 or 5'11"... I would imagine his children and Family are not concerned in the least with how "tall" he was.. or wasn't.. I just hope we see justice for the loss of his Life.. IMO

Poochie

daniel green

10-01-2009, 02:57 PM

What rumors did WE dismiss that were actually correct?

I doubt if Murray knew much about the autopsy results.

Of course he knew.

Rumors that were dismissed here early on were the reports about MJ being riddled with injection marks, etc.

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 02:59 PM

What rumors did WE dismiss that were actually correct?

I doubt if Murray knew much about the autopsy results.

I never dismissed the fact that Murray killed MIchael.

GentleBreeze

10-01-2009, 03:06 PM

Of course he knew.

Rumors that were dismissed here early on were the reports about MJ being riddled with injection marks, etc.

The same rumor mills who said he weighed 112 pounds and was emaciated?

I imagine he was riddled with injection marks if he had been using driprivan as a sleep aide. Murray said he had administered it for 6 weeks and that right there would be 42 times he alone injected him.

imo

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 03:11 PM

Of course he knew.

Rumors that were dismissed here early on were the reports about MJ being riddled with injection marks, etc.

Who dismissed them? It had been suggested that it was unknown when he received those marks. i think it had been report that there were marks in his neck and arms.

What is surprising that THERE WERE NO OTHER DRUGS found in his system as so many suuggested there would be. Apparently he also had a healthy heart. Oops there goes another rumor. Looks like that physical he had before his death was accurate.

I really hope that they tested his hair.

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 03:12 PM

daniel green

10-01-2009, 03:21 PM

I guess the bedsores that were so overdiscussed turned out to be rumor as well.
*shrug*

We don't know that. It was his own docs who spoke about the bedsores.

warhorse46

10-01-2009, 03:22 PM

Michael Jackson -- Healthy Drug Addict
Posted Oct 1st 2009 12:24PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson was reportedly in good health at the time of his death ... other than the fact that his body was riddled with injection sites and had arthritis and lung damage.

It sounds preposterous, but a new report claims the autopsy findings conclude Jackson was a fairly healthy 50-year-old and none of his health issues were life-threatening.

What doesn't make sense: Jackson was taking multiple powerful medicines -- sometimes in dangerous combination -- and the needle marks on his body underscore his addiction to anesthetics and other drugs. So how does that make him "fairly healthy?"

According to the report, Jackson -- who was 5'9" -- weighed 136 pounds at the time of his death.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Sheuuh8e

The phrase "lung damage" caught my attention but it turned out to be only inflamation. What they mean by fairly healthy is his heart did not show any heart disease, his lungs did not show any signs of chronic lung disease, the rest of his internal organs did not show signs of disease such as cancer, lupus, diabetes, etc. Osteo is pretty common for a 50 year old person.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 03:23 PM

snipped Looks like that physical he had before his death was accurate.

I really hope that they tested his hair.

Absolutely not. His lung problems would have been discovered in a real physical, as would have the osthoarthritis.

I wonder what the two abdominal plastic surgery scars were for.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 03:24 PM

The phrase "lung damage" caught my attention but it turned out to be only inflamation. What they mean by fairly healthy is his heart did not show any heart disease, his lungs did not show any signs of chronic lung disease, the rest of his internal organs did not show signs of disease such as cancer, lupus, diabetes, etc. Osteo is pretty common for a 50 year old person.

Thank you, WH! I was so hoping you would shed some light on this!

warhorse46

10-01-2009, 03:26 PM

Autopsy shocker: Jackson was healthy (http://news.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view/20091001autopsy_shocker_jackson_was_healthy/srvc=home&position=recent)

Associated Press article. No copying allowed.

It says in the above article that one of Michael Jackson's "most serious" health issues was his lungs, which the autopsy states were "chronically inflamed" and "had reduced capacity that might have left him short of breath."

Sounds to me like Michael Jackson indeed was a smoker. But was it marijuana or cigarettes?

Smoker's lungs would be black on the inside, not just inflamed. Any ME would easily be able to tell that. Example here but WARNING! Graphic photo.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Dsmoker%2 Blungs%26fr%3Dmy-myy-s&w=225&h=185&imgurl=www.vitamins-nutrition-good-health-info.com%2Fimages%2Flungs2.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.city-data.com%2Fforum%2Frelationships%2F195953-attn-non-smoker-s-want-motivation.html&size=32k&name=lungs2+jpg&p=smoker+lungs&oid=6b66ee0a07394b10&fr2=&no=1&tt=464&sigr=12q2qqk28&sigi=11tvl5jge&sigb=12oj3bta0

GentleBreeze

10-01-2009, 03:26 PM

I think I read that Michael had some sort of lung condition, but since I don't have the book with me, I can't reference it right now.

I seriously doubt that he smoked cigarettes, and if the report is true that he had no illegal drugs in his system, that would rule out marijuana, at least having used it within the previous 30 or more days, as I'm sure you already know that it stays in the system for quite a long time.

I just googled looking for reasons why the lungs could be inflamed. It gave me over a hundred reasons.

I seriously doubt that MJ was a smoker of cigarettes.

So when the doctor signed off on MJs health for the tour it was the truth. Nothing would have prevented him from carrying out his shows.

This is becoming a worst travesty than I first thought. He was a relatively healthy man and had osteoarthritis which is not uncommon in 50 years olds. All this spiel that he couldn't have done his shows is just a bunch of bull imo.

And yeah, where are all the other drugs in his system since some have said he was taking drugs left and right around the time of his death even sneaking behind Murray's back? It is obvious that the tabloids have lied about this man but what else is new? They have made their living for decades lying about their favorite cash cow knowing some will gobble it up as the gospel truth.

imo

daniel green

10-01-2009, 03:33 PM

It says 4 other sedatives.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jSvOuXFxGL4ztrLJzqA4kGKQqmwwD9B2DQ702

What were the other 4?

Valium
Ativan

Can't remember the other two Dr M said he gave MJ.

warhorse46

10-01-2009, 03:34 PM

Absolutely not. His lung problems would have been discovered in a real physical, as would have the osthoarthritis.

I wonder what the two abdominal plastic surgery scars were for.

Either tummy tucks, liposuction or possibly skin graph donation sites?

GentleBreeze

10-01-2009, 03:36 PM

I guess the bedsores that were so overdiscussed turned out to be rumor as well.
*shrug*

Yes, no mention about bed sores but they did mention that he had an active sperm.

I don't think the bed sores would have escaped their attention if it were so which appears it was not and just another rumor.

imo

daniel green

10-01-2009, 03:38 PM

Either tummy tucks, liposuction or possibly skin graph donation sites?

Hadn't thought of skin grafts.

Thx!

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 03:41 PM

Hadn't thought of skin grafts.

Thx!

He had skin graphs as the result of having his head burned.

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 03:46 PM

I just googled looking for reasons why the lungs could be inflamed. It gave me over a hundred reasons.

I seriously doubt that MJ was a smoker of cigarettes.

So when the doctor signed off on MJs health for the tour it was the truth. Nothing would have prevented him from carrying out his shows.

This is becoming a worst travesty than I first thought. He was a relatively healthy man and had osteoarthritis which is not uncommon in 50 years olds. All this spiel that he couldn't have done his shows is just a bunch of bull imo.

And yeah, where are all the other drugs in his system since some have said he was taking drugs left and right around the time of his death even sneaking behind Murray's back? It is obvious that the tabloids have lied about this man but what else is new? They have made their living for decades lying about their favorite cash cow knowing some will gobble it up as the gospel truth.

imo

I have to agree with you GB. At two/three shows a week, I really do not think he would have been strained.

I have to hand it to the Jackson family, knowing all of this and we only heard that Michael had been murdered. Can you imagine what the entire famioly was going through?

daniel green

10-01-2009, 03:47 PM

Naples said the doses of the sedatives Murray claimed he gave Jackson — 10 mg of Valium and 2 mg twice of both Ativan and Versed — are normal amounts individually, but may have proved too much in the aggregate.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6585202.html

If the AP is counting Versed as a sedative, that would make it three.

What is the fourth one they are now reporting in the autopsy reports? :confused:

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Bolded to address. Aside from the fact inflamed lungs are not exactly a "non-problem" when you're talking about a job that requires singing and fairly strenuous dancing during 50 shows and at rehearsals, imo, MJ's emotional issues were a far greater concern with regard to his ability to complete his 50 show commitment.

Imo, his sleeping issues were exacerbated by the prospect of 50 shows, thus MJ's "need" of a full-time personal physician to give him his nightly "milk." Imo, his substance abuse problem would have quickly escalated in London. Drug use, coupled with his "victim" status and what appears to have been his sense of entitlement about doing exactly as he pleased, when he pleased, would have brought the curtain down on his tour far short of 50 shows. imo

Thats probably why he only agreed to do the 10 shows.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 03:54 PM

According to a copy of the report obtained by The Associated Press, Jackson's arms were covered with puncture wounds and the autopsy showed that his lungs were chronically inflamed and had a reduced capacity that might have left the once-energetic performer short of breath. ..The official results of the autopsy on Jackson have not been released, pending the completion of the police investigation into his death, but officials have concluded that he died of "acute propofol intoxication." The AP claimed it had obtained a copy of the autopsy report but did not reveal how it came into possession of the document, which coroner's officials told MTV News is under a security hold until police finish their probe. It was unclear from the AP story if the document is the final autopsy report or a preliminary document. The spokesperson for the L.A. County coroner's office could not be reached for comment at press time, but an employee told MTV News the office would not be making any comment on the report.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1622785/20091001/jackson_michael.jhtml

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 04:14 PM

Exactly so.

Because it was what MJ always did. But the jail personnel had his taped the whole time. And like, for real, did anyone really believe those lies about how he was locked in a bathroom for 45 mins and they dislocated his shoulder and the huge painted-on "bruise" MJ showed on 60 Mins? :rolleyes: Preposterous.

Preposterous!! I guess he thought of his fans as stupid and would believe and pity him. He is a LIAR. No holding cell is left with bio-hazardous material all over it and certainly no bathroom. The police don't work around contaminated areas. :cursing:

imo

ABC

10-01-2009, 04:20 PM

Thats probably why he only agreed to do the 10 shows.
I dunno Res, I doubt he could have gotten through one show, let alone 10 or 50. Sign for as many as they will pay for and go from there. I think the videos of the rehearsals shows how out of shape and limited he was in his abilities. "Inflammed lungs" are a problem walking uphill and more so for folks trying to dance and sing. IMOO, of course.
In passing, no one is more concerned about fluids, dirt, etc then the Correction Officers and jail personell. They go home to their wives and kids and don't want to be passing anything on to them. Nothing is left lying around anywhere in jail cause just about anything can be used as a weapon.
Folks with dislocated shoulders are screaming, writhing on the ground and faint from the pain until it gets reduced by a Doctor. It is not a BTW, they dislocated my shoulder event.

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 04:20 PM

Preposterous!! I guess he thought of his fans as stupid and would believe and pity him. He is a LIAR. No holding cell is left with bio-hazardous material all over it and certainly no bathroom. The police don't work around contaminated areas. :cursing:

imo

The police work outside of the cell, not inside. I think the fans, if they felt pity, was due to the fact that he was about to be subjected to a unfair and malicious prosecution by a corrupt prosecutor.

Its...my opinion.

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 04:24 PM

I dunno Res, I doubt he could have gotten through one show, let alone 10 or 50. Sign for as many as they will pay for and go from there. I think the videos of the rehearsals shows how out of shape and limited he was in his abilities. MOO, of course.

Personally I think he looked good in the short rehearsals videos that we have seen. I guess we will see more in under a month.

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 04:24 PM

This is looking more and more as just malpractice and does not rise to criminal. The inflamed lungs probably did him in when given the drugs by Murray.

Why does the news have the autopsy when it hasn't been released? We still don't know what the Autopsy or tox reports say.

I said a long time ago, when seeing the first release of the rehearsal, he looked short of breath at the end. His face showed that.

JMO

ResJudicata

10-01-2009, 04:26 PM

I dunno Res, I doubt he could have gotten through one show, let alone 10 or 50. Sign for as many as they will pay for and go from there. I think the videos of the rehearsals shows how out of shape and limited he was in his abilities. MOO, of course.
In passing, no one is more concerned about fluids, dirt, etc then the Correction Officers and jail personell. They go home to their wives and kids and don't want to be passing anything on to them. Nothing is left lying around anywhere in jail cause just about anything can be used as a weapon.
Folks with dislocated shoulders are screaming, writhing on the ground and faint from the pain until it gets reduced by a Doctor. It is not a BTW event.

I thought he looked pretty good during the rehearsals.
:smile:

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 04:28 PM

The police work outside of the cell, not inside. I think the fans, if they felt pity, was due to the fact that he was about to be subjected to a unfair and malicious prosecution by a corrupt prosecutor.

Its...my opinion.

You are wrong. The police have to go in and out of the cells at times. Especially when dealing with prisoners. What would ever make you think police never would have to enter a cell? IMO

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 04:30 PM

The cause of death was acute intoxication of propofol and ativan. The manner of death is homicide.

That does not mean any form of homicide will be charged, but you know that don't you?:rolleyes:

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 04:54 PM

You are wrong. The police have to go in and out of the cells at times. Especially when dealing with prisoners. What would ever make you think police never would have to enter a cell? IMO
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/mar/15/naples-inmate-sentenced-jail-storing-feces-jail-ce/A 23-year-old Golden Gate Estates man who collected his feces and stored it under his Naples jail cell bed “as a practical joke” was sentenced Friday to 60 days in jail.

“This guy was saving poop in a bag and a cup and would ferment it with urine and throw it on the guards,” Assistant State Attorney Rick VandenBerg said of Cole Jonathan Powell of 5141 Palmetto Woods Drive, who was in a solitary confinement cell due to past problems at the jail. “Antibiotic-resistant staph infection is rampant at the jail and jail guards also could be infected with AIDs, HIV, and Hepatitis C.”

http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/06/23/apnewsbreak-ark-inmate-left-in-feces-nearly-died-guards-at-prison-allegedly-got-lap-dances-10785/LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — An Arkansas state prison lieutenant was fired after an inmate left lying naked in his own feces for a weekend nearly died from septic shock.

An internal Department of Corrections report obtained by The Associated Press shows Lt. John Glasscock was fired in March over the January incident at the Tucker Unit maximum-security prison.

Yes, I know that these prisoners did this but what makes you think that this is cleaned up within seconds of someone doing this?

daniel green

10-01-2009, 04:56 PM

Oh forpetesakes already. MJ was not put in a cell. He was in a glass-walled holding cell for 15 mins, videotaped the whole time.

Charging the case was about money, the singer said, "Somewhere greed got in there," then alleged that Santa Barbara police "manhandled me very roughly" while booking him on Nov. 20. Displaying a picture of a discolored bulge above his wrist, he alleged that police fastened his handcuffs so tightly behind his back that "my shoulder is dislocated, literally." Jackson also charged that when he asked to use a restroom, he was locked in a bathroom for 45 minutes. "There was doo-doo, feces, thrown all over the walls, the floor, the ceiling."

While Santa Barbara officials issued a blanket denial, retired Sheriff Jim Thomas, who oversaw part of the child molestation investigation of Jackson in 1993, dismisses each charge. "You've got to be kidding me," he says. "When the world is watching, you're going to do everything by the book." Thomas, who is in frequent contact with district attorney Thomas Sneddon, says that en route to the jail, Jackson answered no when asked if his handcuffs were too tight and that Jackson spent only 63 minutes at the jailhouse, 15 of those in a holding cell. "If you look at the videotape of him walking out of the jail after he was booked," Thomas adds, "you'll see that he raised both arms quite high to give his peace sign

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20149051,00.html

daniel green

10-01-2009, 05:02 PM

“Antibiotic-resistant staph infection is rampant at the jail and jail guards also could be infected with AIDs, HIV, and Hepatitis C.”

snipped

Whoever wrote that was just ignorant of the facts. One does not get infected with AIDS (and whoever wrote that doesn't know that AIDS is not spelled AIDs). And one cannot get infected with HIV via contact. :rolleyes:

Oh, and completely incorrect about Hep C transmission as well.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 05:03 PM

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/mar/15/naples-inmate-sentenced-jail-storing-feces-jail-ce/A

snipped

[url]http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/06/23/apnewsbreak-ark-inmate-left-in-feces-nearly-died-guards-at-prison-allegedly-got-lap-dances-?

Neither of your links work.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 05:07 PM

Yes, and then a whole new set (or was it the same old set? ... I can't keep track) of MJ victimizers stepped in and made him a victim yet again by signing him up for 40 more shows he knew nothing about. <cough>

How many times could the man be victimized? :confused:

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 05:07 PM

Neither of your links work.

works for me so I have no idea what the problem is.

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:11 PM

The cause of death was acute intoxication of propofol and ativan. The manner of death is homicide.

That is my hang up Res. How can the authorities know if he was given the stuff or self medicated himself? ODing has become the leading cause of accidental death in 16 States and counting.
The Correctional Officers are mainly in their "enclosed office" and rarely go into a cell unless absolutly necessary. If necessary, the other inmates are put in "lock down" while the Sgt and other Officers (plural) examine the cell and/or inmate.

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 05:12 PM

Whoever wrote that was just ignorant of the facts. One does not get infected with AIDS (and whoever wrote that doesn't know that AIDS is not spelled AIDs). And one cannot get infected with HIV via contact. :rolleyes:

Oh, and completely incorrect about Hep C transmission as well.

Oh and I don't write the stuff. Who the hell cares how he spelled AIDS. So there is no need to roll the eyes at me.

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 05:13 PM

Who dismissed them? It had been suggested that it was unknown when he received those marks. i think it had been report that there were marks in his neck and arms.

What is surprising that THERE WERE NO OTHER DRUGS found in his system as so many suuggested there would be. Apparently he also had a healthy heart. Oops there goes another rumor. Looks like that physical he had before his death was accurate.

I really hope that they tested his hair.

The inflamed lungs were surprising. Since he stopped breathing I would think that had something to do with it. imo

A lot of us were thinking he had taken extra drugs, but no one thought his lungs were messed up.

I also stated all along it could have been he took extra drugs of the same medication Murray gave him. We still don't have the Tox report.

jmo

Firehead11

10-01-2009, 05:14 PM

That is my hang up Res. How can the authorities know if he was given the stuff or self medicated himself? ODing has become the leading cause of accidental death in 16 States and counting.
The Correctional Officers are mainly in their "enclosed office" and rarely go into a cell unless absolutly necessary. If necessary, the other inmates are put in "lock down" while the Sgt and other Officers (plural) examine the cell and/or inmate.

Are you thinking that Jackson started his IV, did all the rest of those drugs and then gave himself the fatal dose? Even though the doctor told the police he gave him the drugs?

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:17 PM

Personally I think he looked good in the short rehearsals videos that we have seen. I guess we will see more in under a month.
Not me but will be anxious to read the summary of the show.

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 05:21 PM

Neither of your links work.

They don't work for me either.

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 05:25 PM

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/mar/15/naples-inmate-sentenced-jail-storing-feces-jail-ce/A 23-year-old Golden Gate Estates man who collected his feces and stored it under his Naples jail cell bed “as a practical joke” was sentenced Friday to 60 days in jail.

“This guy was saving poop in a bag and a cup and would ferment it with urine and throw it on the guards,” Assistant State Attorney Rick VandenBerg said of Cole Jonathan Powell of 5141 Palmetto Woods Drive, who was in a solitary confinement cell due to past problems at the jail. “Antibiotic-resistant staph infection is rampant at the jail and jail guards also could be infected with AIDs, HIV, and Hepatitis C.”

http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/06/23/apnewsbreak-ark-inmate-left-in-feces-nearly-died-guards-at-prison-allegedly-got-lap-dances-10785/LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — An Arkansas state prison lieutenant was fired after an inmate left lying naked in his own feces for a weekend nearly died from septic shock.

An internal Department of Corrections report obtained by The Associated Press shows Lt. John Glasscock was fired in March over the January incident at the Tucker Unit maximum-security prison.

Yes, I know that these prisoners did this but what makes you think that this is cleaned up within seconds of someone doing this?

So what? There is a big difference between holding cells in a station house and a prison cell in a prison.

Holding cells are sanitized on a regular basis. When something is observed in there, a bio-hazardous team is called in to clean it up. Did I say seconds? One thing for sure is the holding cell is not used again until it is cleaned up.

Are you calling me a liar? I worked the job, did you?:rolleyes:

Jackson lied.

JMO

VC2

10-01-2009, 05:26 PM

The same rumor mills who said he weighed 112 pounds and was emaciated?

I imagine he was riddled with injection marks if he had been using driprivan as a sleep aide. Murray said he had administered it for 6 weeks and that right there would be 42 times he alone injected him.

imo

yep and most of us agree he had been a heavy drug user in the past, he admitted to it so scars from injections would still be there.

I think the lupus is definitely still in play here.
two of the bigger symptoms for lupus are joint problems and more than 50% of them have lung problems:

Although lung (pulmonary) problems are common in systemic lupus they are often not diagnosed until lung disease becomes advanced. Advanced lung disease and pleuropulmonary (affecting the lungs and respiration) problems can significantly contribute to mortality in SLE.
Symptoms and Manifestations

Lung disease (pleurisy) in systemic lupus causes a clinical spectrum of symptoms ranging from mild chest pain to fulminant and rapidly fatal pulmonary hemorrhage.

Inflammation of the pleural sac around the lung (pleuritis), with or withal pleural effusion (excess fluid in the chest cavity) is the most common manifestation in lupus. The pleura is a membrane covering the outside of the lung and the inside of the chest cavity. Pleural cells produce a small amount of fluid that lubricates the space between the lung and the chest wall. As lupus activity causes the production of immune complexes (formed as antibodies and antigens combine), they complexes initiate an inflammatory response at the pleural membrane. The inflammatory response results in pleuritis.

Pleuritis can cause severe, often sharp, stabbing pain in one or more areas of the chest.

Inhaling deeply, coughing, sneezing, or laughing can intensify the pain.
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/lupus_pleurisy

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:31 PM

The coroner is trained and experienced in determining these types of things. Propofol is near impossible to administer to oneself, especially after the massive amout of drugs Murray admitted to giving him before giving the propofol.

If you can hit a vein on yourself, you can administer just about anything and people do it all the time. IV drug users are as efficient as the IV nurses. I agree totally about the proficiency of the Coroner and I am not one to question their finding but how could anyone prove MJ did not self medicate? Any word on taking finger prints on the tubing?

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 05:37 PM

If you can hit a vein on yourself, you can administer just about anything and people do it all the time. IV drug users are as efficient as the IV nurses. I agree totally about the proficiency of the Coroner and I am not one to question their finding but how could anyone prove MJ did not self medicate? Any word on taking finger prints on the tubing?

I sniff reasonable doubt all over the place. JMO

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:41 PM

Are you thinking that Jackson started his IV, did all the rest of those drugs and then gave himself the fatal dose? Even though the doctor told the police he gave him the drugs?
No, my thinking is that Jackson gave himself stuff along with what the Doc administered.

VC2

10-01-2009, 05:44 PM

No, my thinking is that Jackson gave himself stuff along with what the Doc administered.

umm the doc admitted to the other things, and according to that release, the other drugs were in normal limits.

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:44 PM

Murray admitted he administered the drugs. I think thats proof in itself that Michael didn't.

No one could really prove that Lana didn't shoot herself, but based upon the coroners findings..etc.. it was determined that Phil did it. I think its pretty much the same type of thing, where unless we were there when it happened, we have to rely on expert analysis.
I disagree that Spector shot that woman. I think they were both drunk, playing around with the gun and it went off. MOO
Yes, Murray admitted he adminsistered some drugs but who knows what if any, Jackson administered to himself.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 05:46 PM

yep and most of us agree he had been a heavy drug user in the past, he admitted to it so scars from injections would still be there.

I think the lupus is definitely still in play here.
two of the bigger symptoms for lupus are joint problems and more than 50% of them have lung problems:

http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/lupus_pleurisy

I disagree with this pointing out to any underlying Lupus, VC--and good to see you.

I noted that the AP says there were scars on MJ's wrists and arms. I wonder what those were from.

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:52 PM

umm the doc admitted to the other things, and according to that release, the other drugs were in normal limits.
Really? Well, I am thinking he gave himself more of the same kind of drugs.

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:53 PM

Maybe from his father's beatings.
I thought Jackson said the Dad kicked him in his private parts and thats why he could not father children.

LadyFuzz

10-01-2009, 05:54 PM

I disagree with this pointing out to any underlying Lupus, VC--and good to see you.

I noted that the AP says there were scars on MJ's wrists and arms. I wonder what those were from.

Maybe he was a cutter.

GentleBreeze

10-01-2009, 05:54 PM

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1622785/20091001/jackson_michael.jhtml

According to a copy of the report obtained by The Associated Press, Jackson's arms were covered with puncture wounds and the autopsy showed that his lungs were chronically inflamed and had a reduced capacity that MIGHT HAVE left the once-energetic performer short of breath.

He looked energetic, involved and engaged in the rehearsal clips.

imo

ABC

10-01-2009, 05:54 PM

Maybe from his father's beatings.
I thought Jackson said the Dad kicked him in his private parts and thats why he could not father children.
Spector had a hung jury in the first trial which is the jury, I think got it right.
Breeze, I don't think there is a "Might Have" but a "Would Have". I thought Jackson looked tired and was faking his way around with the young dancers doing the work.

daniel green

10-01-2009, 05:55 PM

TMZ has learned an attorney acting on behalf of at least two members of Michael Jackson's family will go to court tomorrow and ask the judge to boot named co-executor John Branca from the case, but there's something they don't know. Attorney Brian Oxman -- the lawyer who pops up from time to time in the Jackson saga -- says he has a document proving Jackson fired Branca. Branca served as Jackson's lawyer on and off for 29 years. Sources connected to Branca freely admit Jackson fired the lawyer in 1990, but rehired him 3 years later. We're also told Branca quit Michael in 2006 because Jackson insisted on hiring "advisors" Branca believed would do great harm to MJ. A month before Jackson died, he began conversations with Branca, saying he wanted him back in the fold. We've learned on June 17, eight days before Jackson died, Jackson signed a letter hiring Branca back as his lawyer. Howard Weitzman, a lawyer for the estate, confirmed, "In mid-June, Michael Jackson retained John Branca to represent him as general and entertainment counsel in his business and personal affairs." Weitzman added, "The letter retaining Branca was shared with lawyers for Katherine Jackson very early in the probate proceedings." Attorney Londell McMillan, who reps Katherine Jackson, tells TMZ "We will not comment on what we will do tomorrow." McMillan also had no comment on Brian Oxman, but did say he had "valuable information

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/01/michael-jackson-john-branca-probate-howard-weitzman-katherine-jackson-brian-oxman/#ixzz0SigyeOQL

GentleBreeze

10-01-2009, 05:56 PM

I thought Jackson said the Dad kicked him in his private parts and thats why he could not father children.

I never heard MJ say that or that he couldnt have children.

There was a UK tabloid that pushed such trash.

imo

daniel green

10-01-2009, 05:59 PM

The autopsy report showed that Jackson had a 2cm scar behind his left ear and another apparent scar behind his right ear. He had a scar beside each of his nostrils and a 10cm scar on his right shoulder. There were two additional scars, each about 7.5cm long, at the base of his neck, and smaller scars on his arms and wrist. Dr Kain, who was not involved in conducting the autopsy, said most of the scars appeared to be from plastic surgery... It showed there had been a desperate struggle to save Jackson. He had chest bruising and cracked ribs from CPR and a mechanical device known as a balloon pump had been inserted into his heart to try to restart it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/6252661/Michael-Jackson-autopsy-reveals-punctures-tattoos-scars.html