Caylee Anthony 9/28

[margaritaville]

Good Monring all..

hoping for something new today. A Doc. Dump would be wonderful!!

Casey Anthony: WKMG gives thumbs-up to book on Casey Anthony case


http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-gives-thumbsup-to-casey-anthony-book.html

[KatieLady]

Good Monring all..

hoping for something new today. A Doc. Dump would be wonderful!!

Casey Anthony: WKMG gives thumbs-up to book on Casey Anthony case


http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-gives-thumbsup-to-casey-anthony-book.html

Thank for the link and the thread!

From the link:

DeForest: "It's very interesting. It goes by real quick. It's like reading a story from beginning to end."

We don't know the ending lol

[margaritaville]

Thank for the link and the thread!

From the link:

DeForest: "It's very interesting. It goes by real quick. It's like reading a story from beginning to end."

We don't know the ending lol


Exactly... i think she just wants to be the first one out with a book on this case..

Obviously the book must just be on the life of Caylee, to which that does have an ending.....

[martha]

Good morning everyone,you or all making me want to read that book.I am scared some money will go to defend casey and I sure don;t want to help them out in any way. If I knew some of you would read it and tell what it sayes I would not buy it at all but I am not sure anymore what we can or can not post. I am just reading everyday to keep up.love you all and want you to know I am here reading.jmho:wub:

[breezie]

Diane Fanning wrote the definitive book on the Michael Peterson case. I look forward to her book on this case.

[Sun]

Thank for the link and the thread!

From the link:

DeForest: "It's very interesting. It goes by real quick. It's like reading a story from beginning to end."

We don't know the ending lol

Good morning everyone! KatieLady, you are exactly right. We don't yet know the ending.

I too, am hoping to see pre-trial and trial dates set for the criminal check/fraud case. It's been 16 business days since Judge Strickland made his ruling (on Sept 3rd). I'm getting the feeling that someone is holding up this process.

[BettyC]

Thank for the link and the thread!

From the link:

DeForest: "It's very interesting. It goes by real quick. It's like reading a story from beginning to end."

We don't know the ending lol

Morning everyone. From Amazon about the book:


I don't think there will be anything in the book that most posters here haven't heard. They say it's a good "reference book" to have handy though.

She supposedly writes about Cindy's upbringing too.

[BettyC]

Good morning everyone,you or all making me want to read that book.I am scared some money will go to defend casey and I sure don;t want to help them out in any way. If I knew some of you would read it and tell what it sayes I would not buy it at all but I am not sure anymore what we can or can not post. I am just reading everyday to keep up.love you all and want you to know I am here reading.jmho:wub:

Hi martha - don't worry. The author came here and answered any questions we had about whether the profits from the book would go to any of the Anthonys or Casey's defense and it will not.

[zippy]

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-answer-malignant-narcissism.html

[KatieLady]

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-answer-malignant-narcissism.html

Wow! She is spot on with this one IMO

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html

Approximately "a year ago today" the video was released of LE's interview with Cindy (links to the videos are in the article).

Cindy continuously tries to lead investigators away from the truth. Wants them to look at everyone "but" Casey.

"Again, lack of sleep, lack of food..."

[zippy]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html

Approximately "a year ago today" the video was released of LE's interview with Cindy (links to the videos are in the article).

Cindy continuously tries to lead investigators away from the truth. Wants them to look at everyone "but" Casey.

"Again, lack of sleep, lack of food..."

Why didn't this occur in the 31 days her daughter and Caylee were missing?

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17565512/index.html

(at approx the 20 minute mark) Cindy says that she and George went to the beach on June 7. I find that a bit odd, that they didn't include Caylee in this trip to the beach. Cindy and George have repeatedly said that "Caylee was their world." Why would they not take Caylee to the beach? IMO, little kids have such fun at the beach, playing in the sand.

[zippy]

Cindy had to know that something was very wrong . She knew where everything in her house was located. So when Casey left, all of Caylee clothes, shoes, sunglasses, and toys and books were still there. That in it self would raise a red flag to me. Especially having them live within my house all that time. Food was missing. gas cans were missing and I bet you things of Casey were missing not to mention money. But only a blanket . Who did Cindy think was suppying all of this in such a short time? Not to mention one granddaughter missing. Someone was rowing a boat with one oar. IMO

[Sun]

Cindy had to know that something was very wrong . She knew where everything in her house was located. So when Casey left, all of Caylee clothes, shoes, sunglasses, and toys and books were still there. That in it self would raise a red flag to me. Especially having them live within my house all that time. Food was missing. gas cans were missing and I bet you things of Casey were missing not to mention money. But only a blanket . Who did Cindy think was suppying all of this in such a short time? Not to mention one granddaughter missing. Someone was rowing a boat with one oar. IMO

ITA. Cindy has said that the bag/backpack packed for Caylee, would typically hold two days worth of clothing. So why wasn't Cindy very, very concerned after two days had went by, without Casey getting more clothes for Caylee. (I find it hard to believe that Cindy could have ever believed the story that Casey had a nanny.)

[LadyHam]

Good Monring all..

hoping for something new today. A Doc. Dump would be wonderful!!

Casey Anthony: WKMG gives thumbs-up to book on Casey Anthony case


http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wkmg-gives-thumbsup-to-casey-anthony-book.html

Thank you so much for starting the new thread. Good morning, everyone! :seeya:

If we don't get a doc dump, I will take Judge Strickland setting the date for the fraud trial. I'd welcome either one happening today.

[Sun]

Cindy had to know that something was very wrong . She knew where everything in her house was located. So when Casey left, all of Caylee clothes, shoes, sunglasses, and toys and books were still there. That in it self would raise a red flag to me. Especially having them live within my house all that time. Food was missing. gas cans were missing and I bet you things of Casey were missing not to mention money. But only a blanket . Who did Cindy think was suppying all of this in such a short time? Not to mention one granddaughter missing. Someone was rowing a boat with one oar. IMO

Cindy also had to have noticed all the food that Casey was stealing from the Anthony home. Along with Casey picking up more of her own clothes, and stealing whatever money she could find around the home. Yet picking up none of Caylee's things.

I wonder if Casey also made out a menu and left if at the Anthony home, in hopes that Cindy would purchase those foods when she was grocery shopping? (Cindy did make some mention of a menu, but I can't find a link to that)

[LadyHam]

Exactly... i think she just wants to be the first one out with a book on this case..

Obviously the book must just be on the life of Caylee, to which that does have an ending.....

So sadly true.:sad:

Hopefully the book is a very organized synopsis of the case to date. It might be very eye opening to those that have not followed everything all that closely. I have to admit that my curiosity it peaked, and I probably will end up reading it.

[LadyHam]

Good morning everyone,you or all making me want to read that book.I am scared some money will go to defend casey and I sure don;t want to help them out in any way. If I knew some of you would read it and tell what it sayes I would not buy it at all but I am not sure anymore what we can or can not post. I am just reading everyday to keep up.love you all and want you to know I am here reading.jmho:wub:

Bolding by me....

Good morning, Martha. :seeya: Diane Fanning has posting on this board and she has clarified that not one red cent will go to the defense side of things. If she presents this case as it really is, it will be very eye opening for the general public.

[zippy]

The second red flag would have been all the excuses of why I could not speak nor talk or see my grandaughter. Off to the beach, sleeping, out of town, with friends, shopping, and especially with the "nanny" who I never heard of before. Things that never occurred before when you were living in my house and I knew that you often lied. Question, question till either I found where you were or called your bluff. Did not need time to "bond" with Caylee. Had 2 years of doing just that as the "paid" nanny. IMO

[kakax]

I don't want to buy this book. Know why? They don't even know that Caylee was only 2 years old... she did not make it to her 3rd Birthday. :cursing:


http://www.dianefanning.com/truecrimebooks/mommyslittlegirl.html


In the video on this page, the narrator says she was less that 2 months shy of her 3rd birthday. I imagine Dianne had a say in that video?

[BettyC]

I don't want to buy this book. Know why? They don't even know that Caylee was only 2 years old... she did not make it to her 3rd Birthday. :cursing:

You're right bball. I'm sure we'll spot inconsistencies but I think overall it will be a good read.

(I said last night that our Des could give her a run for her money with the facts.)

[LadyHam]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html

Approximately "a year ago today" the video was released of LE's interview with Cindy (links to the videos are in the article).

Cindy continuously tries to lead investigators away from the truth. Wants them to look at everyone "but" Casey.

"Again, lack of sleep, lack of food..."

But even if Cindy thought that Casey was completely "innocent" wouldn't everything have to at least start w/Casey? She was Caylee's mother and at the very least should have been able to provide LE w/a truthful and accurate account of just how Caylee got out of her possession. Everyone is so suspicious to Cindy, except the very one that holds all the answers and clues as to what really happened to Caylee.:thumbdown:

[Sun]

The second red flag would have been all the excuses of why I could not speak nor talk or see my grandaughter. Off to the beach, sleeping, out of town, with friends, shopping, and especially with the "nanny" who I never heard of before. Things that never occurred before when you were living in my house and I knew that you often lied. Question, question till either I found where you were or called your bluff. Did not need time to "bond" with Caylee. Had 2 years of doing just that as the "paid" nanny. IMO

Cindy could easily have went down to the police station and filed a "stolen car" report. Yet, she didn't. IMO, Cindy wanted complete control of Casey, and didn't want to turn her in to LE (because then Cindy would lose that control). Even when Cindy did eventually dial 911, she has said that she just wanted to get them to come out to make Casey do what Cindy wanted (which was to see Caylee). Or something like that. Cindy wasn't really wanting Casey to be arrested.

[zippy]

I believe Casey when she said " Zany the nanny." In truth she was speaking about herself. According to dictionary the word zany means utterly irrational, mildly insane or fantastically ludicrous. Perfect. IMO

[trich]

I noticed that one comment on that blog was about Casey's sickness.
I hope people do not think she is/was sick.
She was and is evil and sickness has nothing to do with it.
I hope if the defense tries that that Florida jurors are smarter
and recognize the evil opposed to a sickness.

[LadyHam]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17565512/index.html

(at approx the 20 minute mark) Cindy says that she and George went to the beach on June 7. I find that a bit odd, that they didn't include Caylee in this trip to the beach. Cindy and George have repeatedly said that "Caylee was their world." Why would they not take Caylee to the beach? IMO, little kids have such fun at the beach, playing in the sand.

I wonder if they didn't include Caylee at their day at the beach because Casey wouldn't let them? Perhaps tensions were already mounting that led to the alleged big blow up fight that happened on the 15th of June?

[LadyHam]

Cindy had to know that something was very wrong . She knew where everything in her house was located. So when Casey left, all of Caylee clothes, shoes, sunglasses, and toys and books were still there. That in it self would raise a red flag to me. Especially having them live within my house all that time. Food was missing. gas cans were missing and I bet you things of Casey were missing not to mention money. But only a blanket . Who did Cindy think was suppying all of this in such a short time? Not to mention one granddaughter missing. Someone was rowing a boat with one oar. IMO

Exactly! The fact that everything else was missing and being taken from the home, except Caylee's things, should have sent up a huge, massive red flag. Cindy should have known that something was wrong. Very wrong.

[zippy]

Also believe Lee is the middle. Called by Cindy, called by George, used by Casey. Whenever there is a problem, one or the other calls Lee to solve it. Bet he got tired of being the "adult" in the family and decided to leave but it never ended ever. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

Exactly! The fact that everything else was missing and being taken from the home, except Caylee's things, should have sent up a huge, massive red flag. Cindy should have known that something was wrong. Very wrong.


I never thought of that...you have a very good point...I do believe that I would have looked to see that as well.....I believe that Casey told Cuindy that Zanny had duplicates of everything (who in their right mind would have fell for that) ....I agree, that would have pulled up a red flag for me as well.....

[jammies]

Also believe Lee is the middle. Called by Cindy, called by George, used by Casey. Whenever there is a problem, one or the other calls Lee to solve it. Bet he got tired of being the "adult" in the family and decided to leave but it never ended ever. IMO


Is he still living at home with mommy and daddy?

[jammies]

I never thought of that...you have a very good point...I do believe that I would have looked to see that as well.....I believe that Casey told Cuindy that Zanny had duplicates of everything (who in their right mind would have fell for that) ....I agree, that would have pulled up a red flag for me as well.....


Esp. because ya just know that Cindy is aware of every item in that house.

[cassidy]

Is he still living at home with mommy and daddy?

Last we heard he was.

[Sun]

I wonder if they didn't include Caylee at their day at the beach because Casey wouldn't let them? Perhaps tensions were already mounting that led to the alleged big blow up fight that happened on the 15th of June?

Yes, perhaps Casey was being "spiteful" and withholding Caylee from them, except when Casey "wanted" a babysitter. IMO, there was much more fighting/arguing going on in the Anthony home, that we have not heard about.

Another thing that I have noticed, is that Casey and George seemed to really not get along. Anytime that Cindy would pack a bag and spend an overnight at her mom's, Casey would take Caylee and stay over at Ricardo's apt.

[KittyMom]

The way I'll gage the accurracy of Diane Fannings' book is by how far the roof of the Anthony home blows up into the air. :laugh:

I'll bet we can all guess who filled DF in on Cindy's upbringing. She'll wish she hadn't been so mean to her siblings. :huh:

[Barbara fl.]

I noticed that one comment on that blog was about Casey's sickness.
I hope people do not think she is/was sick.
She was and is evil and sickness has nothing to do with it.
I hope if the defense tries that that Florida jurors are smarter
and recognize the evil opposed to a sickness.


They can not use mental illness as a defense...A sociopath is not considered a mental illness...I believe the name was brought upon after it was discovered that so many peope have no empathy when they kill.....all it means is that they are mean and cold hearted, in my books....

Florida law on insanity is that the person would have had to NOT know they were committing a crime when they committed it....once Casey hid the body, there went the insanity plea....There will be no way the defense can try and use that now....

The mitigating circumstances will only come at sentencing...at which time I will expect to hear that Casey was not stable and that this was probably caused from the way she was raised etc., etc., and George and Cindy will go along with everything that is said in order to try and save Casey from the DP....JMO

[need2no]

ITA. Cindy has said that the bag/backpack packed for Caylee, would typically hold two days worth of clothing. So why wasn't Cindy very, very concerned after two days had went by, without Casey getting more clothes for Caylee. (I find it hard to believe that Cindy could have ever believed the story that Casey had a nanny.)

Just makes no sense Sun, as much of what the Anthony's have said over the past 14 months. While waiting on the doc dump, a date for check/fraud trial, and 48 Hours I’ve also been going back over some of the old stuff.

George stated casey and Caylee left the Anthony's house at 12:50 on July 16th with casey heading off to work, just like any other normal day, no worries. Any other normal day would imply returning home after the work day.

So at what point did casey decide to extend this 'normal' day into an adventure as a test run to determine if it was time she and Caylee move out of the Anthony home? That IMO certainly changed this day from a 'normal' day. And if Cindy and/or George was aware of this, and in agreement with this plan, why would Cindy have been so upset and concerned about Caylee. So upset in fact that she cancelled her vacation plans to visit her in laws at the beach.

KING: She had been missing how long when you found out?

CINDY ANTHONY: About a month.

KING: Isn't that strange?


CINDY ANTHONY: Well, not really. My daughter, you know, had her. And you know, we just -- we just assumed that Casey and Caylee were, you know, off visiting friends.

Would you just assume anything if a 2 year old was involved?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html
(Dec. 10, 2008)


KING: Why did you turn daughter in?

CINDY ANTHONY: Little background, Casey had gone on an extended trip, kind of trying to figure out -- she's 22. We were talking about when it might be the right time for her and Caylee to move out. And her trip just kept getting extended and extended, which was really not a red flag itself, I mean, the trip itself. There would be a few days at a time that she would go and stay with friends. She went from a couple different friends, and I never got a chance to speak with Caylee during that time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/lkl.01.html
(July 29, 2008)

So....was Cindy's understanding that casey had taken Caylee to go stay with friends and test out the water regarding moving out of the family home. Yet the fact that she hadn't taken more than a backpack worth of Caylee's clothes and other comfort items did not concern her? If this is what the Anthony's believed was the plan then why would George say casey left with Caylee to head off to work like any other normal day?


When Cindy stated (above) there would be a few days at a time when casey would go and stay with friends wasn't she concerned about Caylee being drug around, sleeping in strange locations, being with strangers, etc. Didn't George and Cindy claim not to know casey's new circle of friends. That in itself should have been very worrisome. They would have no idea what the group of friends were like.

Oh, and note Cindy never mentions anything about Caylee being with Zany, or the nanny.

So in July '08 Cindy says she knew casey had gone on an extended trip in order to sort things through about moving out of the family home. But in Dec. '09 they just assumed casey and Caylee were off visitng friends….no mention of plans to move out of the home. What about all those texts messages between Cindy and casey...didn't Cindy ask her what was up, who they were staying with and where, and question why she had not taken more of Caylee's belonging with her, or apparently even much of her own stuff, or if Caylee was staying with the nanny during the day. Why couldn't casey send her pics of Caylee as Cindy said she requested; shouldn't this have been a major red flag for Cindy? How many red flags did she need before deciding to take some serious action to check on Caylee? She hadn't seen Caylee, or spoken to her over the phone, casey wasn't sending her any pictures, a 2 year old was being drug from place to place without her belongings, wasn't that enough reason for alarm?

When going back over this stuff it just makes me furious. Poor innocent, precious little Caylee never stood a chance, nobody put her first! :crying:

[zippy]

Didn't Casey say at one time " Stop being a frigging cop and be a Dad for once." IRC. George is an ex police-person. And one thing they learn on the job are facts and nothing but the facts. And digging until you have all the facts. And driving home in a car, with the odor so strong you rolled down all the windows and you don't question. Third red flag. And where was he when he wasn't working and wasn't home when Casey came sneaking home.

[need2no]

Cindy could easily have went down to the police station and filed a "stolen car" report. Yet, she didn't. IMO, Cindy wanted complete control of Casey, and didn't want to turn her in to LE (because then Cindy would lose that control). Even when Cindy did eventually dial 911, she has said that she just wanted to get them to come out to make Casey do what Cindy wanted (which was to see Caylee). Or something like that. Cindy wasn't really wanting Casey to be arrested.


BBM, ITA.

And Cindy made this ludicrous statement to Larry King:

C. ANTHONY: They made an arrest based on the fact that she lied about where she worked. That had nothing to do with Caylee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html
(May 13, 2009)


What a ridiculous thing to say.

[Barbara fl.]

I can agree more....there is just no way that Casey would have left my home with my grandchild (mother or no mothere)...Cindy had to have known that Casey was irresponsible, Cindy knew Casey did not have a home to bring Caylee to, Cindy had to know that her daughter did not have a job...(infact, I remember when Cindy was on the stand at one point that she admitted knowing that Casey didn't have a job , and felt that it was ok because she had a baby and could stay home with Caylee, that Cindy didn't have a problem with that)....

How would ANY grandparent allow their daughter to take a grandchild out of a stable home and not know where she would be? Just no way....The ANTHONY'S have to take some blame for what happened.....They never even asked to know where Caylee was being kept......

They just didn't care...that's why there are no tears for Caylee.....

[jammies]

Wonder how it's working out for Lee living back at home? How old is Lee anyway?

Doc dump this week?

[need2no]

The way I'll gage the accurracy of Diane Fannings' book is by how far the roof of the Anthony home blows up into the air. :laugh:

I'll bet we can all guess who filled DF in on Cindy's upbringing. She'll wish she hadn't been so mean to her siblings. :huh:


LOL.

I wonder if Cindy will now renege on that statement she made about never speaking to him again. :biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

But even if Cindy thought that Casey was completely "innocent" wouldn't everything have to at least start w/Casey? She was Caylee's mother and at the very least should have been able to provide LE w/a truthful and accurate account of just how Caylee got out of her possession. Everyone is so suspicious to Cindy, except the very one that holds all the answers and clues as to what really happened to Caylee.:thumbdown:




So true...so very true.....

[LadyHam]

I can agree more....there is just no way that Casey would have left my home with my grandchild (mother or no mothere)...Cindy had to have known that Casey was irresponsible, Cindy knew Casey did not have a home to bring Caylee to, Cindy had to know that her daughter did not have a job...(infact, I remember when Cindy was on the stand at one point that she admitted knowing that Casey didn't have a job , and felt that it was ok because she had a baby and could stay home with Caylee, that Cindy didn't have a problem with that)....

How would ANY grandparent allow their daughter to take a grandchild out of a stable home and not know where she would be? Just no way....The ANTHONY'S have to take some blame for what happened.....They never even asked to know where Caylee was being kept......

They just didn't care...that's why there are no tears for Caylee.....

Bolding by me....

Then why did they all act like Casey DID in fact have a job? :shrug: There is some very strange behavior coming out of that family.

[martha]

I can agree more....there is just no way that Casey would have left my home with my grandchild (mother or no mothere)...Cindy had to have known that Casey was irresponsible, Cindy knew Casey did not have a home to bring Caylee to, Cindy had to know that her daughter did not have a job...(infact, I remember when Cindy was on the stand at one point that she admitted knowing that Casey didn't have a job , and felt that it was ok because she had a baby and could stay home with Caylee, that Cindy didn't have a problem with that)....

How would ANY grandparent allow their daughter to take a grandchild out of a stable home and not know where she would be? Just no way....The ANTHONY'S have to take some blame for what happened.....They never even asked to know where Caylee was being kept......

They just didn't care...that's why there are no tears for Caylee.....ITA if casey did not have a home to take CAYLEE to or no job and no way to take care of her then cindy should not have let her take CAYLEE out of the house.was casey going to live in the car? how was she going to feed CAYLEE? no grandmother I know would have let casey do that not until she had a place to live and a job to take care of Caylee. noway would she have taken that baby out of my house.There is a lot of things she could have done to keep her from leaving with Caylee had she really wanted to. What friends did cindy think casey would live with? she had no real friends except boy friends. the boy friends did not want a baby staying with them.I wish cindy could tell why she would let casey leave with Caylee with no place to stay and no money and no job.crazy thing I ever heard of.jmho:wub:

[Sun]

need2no, THANKS so much for posting those links and such!

Some of the actions of both Cindy and George just after June 15th, always have made me wonder just how soon they knew that Caylee was dead.

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding by me....

Then why did they all act like Casey DID in fact have a job? :shrug: There is some very strange behavior coming out of that family.

They immediately went into cover up mode once they realized that Caylee was deceased, which was right at the beginning.....I believe that 911 call was the very last moment that Cindy had hope that what she was thinking was wrong.....but within a few minutes afterwards (but too late) they knew that Casey was in big trouble and that they were looking a murder.....

but nothing is going to help their murderer daughter...she is going no matter what lies Cindy, George and Lee tell.....:mad:

[need2no]

need2no, THANKS so much for posting those links and such!

Some of the actions of both Cindy and George just after June 15th, always have made me wonder just how soon they knew that Caylee was dead.

YW, and thanks for yours as well! It's interesting taking the time to look back now and go over everything again.

I wonder to....and have from the beginning. So much just doesn't add up.

[ish]

Yes, perhaps Casey was being "spiteful" and withholding Caylee from them, except when Casey "wanted" a babysitter. IMO, there was much more fighting/arguing going on in the Anthony home, that we have not heard about.

Another thing that I have noticed, is that Casey and George seemed to really not get along. Anytime that Cindy would pack a bag and spend an overnight at her mom's, Casey would take Caylee and stay over at Ricardo's apt.

my bold

excellent point!! Probably cause George didn't give her the third degree about where she is and who she's with and what they're doing like Cindy would have. She grabbed her moments of freedom when she could. I do think that prior to the 15th of June she rarely stayed out overnight with Caylee, I think she starting increasing those overnights that spring and by June it was an issue with Cindy. Cindy, rightfully thought Caylee should be sleeping in her own bed at night, preferably with Casey in the next room.

[zippy]

What daughter moves out of the house, job or no job, welfare or not, ask for some piece of furniture or take personal belongings to tide one over until you get on your feet or at least ask in a couple of days for such items. Or you offer for the welfare of your granddaughter knowing it will be a comfort and her well being.

[LadyHam]

They immediately went into cover up mode once they realized that Caylee was deceased, which was right at the beginning.....I believe that 911 call was the very last moment that Cindy had hope that what she was thinking was wrong.....but within a few minutes afterwards (but too late) they knew that Casey was in big trouble and that they were looking a murder.....

but nothing is going to help their murderer daughter...she is going no matter what lies Cindy, George and Lee tell.....:mad:

I agree. I think the 3rd 911 call was Cindy's last trick that she had to pull out of her proverbial bag of tricks. She thought it would force Casey to produce Caylee for her and when it didn't, she probably knew right then and there what Caylee's ultimate fate was. Maybe up until that time she was hoping against hope that Casey had given Caylee away or adopted her out to another family, but when she pulled out her last stop and it still didn't work, she had to know the truth then.

I think they were all wrong on hedging their bets on trying to get Casey off scott free. Their best bet would have been to try to convince Casey to come clean w/what really happened and hope that the court had mercy on her. Who knows, she could have maybe worked out a deal where she could have one day gotten out of prison? As it stands now, she will either be put to death or more likely, spend the rest of her life in prison. I'm wondering if they had this to do all over again if they would do the exact same things, or if they would do things differently?

[Jen]

Wants a doc dump today:thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

Esp. because ya just know that Cindy is aware of every item in that house.


Cindy does not strike me as a person that would let anything slip by her.....there is NO WAY that she didn't know that Casey wasn't working....NO WAY....

My opinion is that she was going to try "tough love" where she shouldn't have....she knew her daughter wasn't mother material...therefore she risked her grandchild in trying to prove a point....and poor Caylee paid the ultimate price for it.....

[ish]

BBM, ITA.

And Cindy made this ludicrous statement to Larry King:

C. ANTHONY: They made an arrest based on the fact that she lied about where she worked. That had nothing to do with Caylee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html
(May 13, 2009)


What a ridiculous thing to say.

I doubt LE would have cared about where she worked or if she worked or even that she lied about it, if they had been able to locate Caylee and if the information about where she left Caylee and who she left her with had been truthful. It was ALL THE LIES that caused them to arrest her.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree. I think the 3rd 911 call was Cindy's last trick that she had to pull out of her proverbial bag of tricks. She thought it would force Casey to produce Caylee for her and when it didn't, she probably knew right then and there what Caylee's ultimate fate was. Maybe up until that time she was hoping against hope that Casey had given Caylee away or adopted her out to another family, but when she pulled out her last stop and it still didn't work, she had to know the truth then.

I think they were all wrong on hedging their bets on trying to get Casey off scott free. Their best bet would have been to try to convince Casey to come clean w/what really happened and hope that the court had mercy on her. Who knows, she could have maybe worked out a deal where she could have one day gotten out of prison? As it stands now, she will either be put to death or more likely, spend the rest of her life in prison. I'm wondering if they had this to do all over again if they would do the exact same things, or if they would do things differently?

That is so true...If they all had a 1/4 of a brain, they should have done sometyhing to convince Casey to fess up and I believe the difference would have been Manslaughter vs murder one......out in 7 or LWOP/DP...Casey was 22 at the time, she would have gotten out by the time she was 29 and still had a life...but now it's too late for that....They all blew.....

One would have thought that any decent lawyer would have convinced her to do that.....but when these lawyers are looking for publicity, they thrive on the criminal that claims to be "not guilty"....

But Casey will get just what she deserves now.....DP/LWOP

[LadyHam]

Cindy does not strike me as a person that would let anything slip by her.....there is NO WAY that she didn't know that Casey wasn't working....NO WAY....

My opinion is that she was going to try "tough love" where she shouldn't have....she knew her daughter wasn't mother material...therefore she risked her grandchild in trying to prove a point....and poor Caylee paid the ultimate price for it.....

Bolding by me.....

I so agree w/you. Cindy using Casey's mothering skills of Caylee as a form of tough love was the wrong forum and wrong venue for her to do so. If she wanted to use tough love on her she should have taken the car away from her and told her that she wasn't allowed to use it until she had a job where she would be able to pay half of all expenses on it. Knowing what she knows now, I wonder if Cindy wishes she would have paid for a babysitter for Caylee for the times that she couldn't be w/her?

[Sun]

YW, and thanks for yours as well! It's interesting taking the time to look back now and go over everything again.

I wonder to....and have from the beginning. So much just doesn't add up.

Maybe we can look back at some of the same links, and discuss them another morning (I've got to leave for now). My memory retention isn't what it was when I was in my prime. And, some of the early statements made, do seem to take on new meanings, now that time has passed.

In re-listening to Cindy's LE interview today, she indicated that George moved back into the home just before Caylee's first birthday. Earlier, I recall Cindy indicating that George moved out in Dec 2005 and was out of the home for six months. ....if I count the months, I would come up with George being gone more like eight months.

I just suspect that the George that we have seen speaking to Casey on the jail visitations, is not the George that existed in the Anthony home when Casey was present. I believe that he and Casey probably argued constantly. And, that Cindy frequently stepped in and just told George to drop it, and that she would handle Casey. JMO, I could be very wrong too.

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding by me.....

I so agree w/you. Cindy using Casey's mothering skills of Caylee as a form of tough love was the wrong forum and wrong venue for her to do so. If she wanted to use tough love on her she should have taken the car away from her and told her that she wasn't allowed to use it until she had a job where she would be able to pay half of all expenses on it. Knowing what she knows now, I wonder if Cindy wishes she would have paid for a babysitter for Caylee for the times that she couldn't be w/her?


It sure would have been more effective by taking the car away....but Cindy used an innocent child (her own grandchild) to get her daughter to do what she wanted her to do....

Cindy will have to live with that for the rest of her life....If George just would have been man enough to step in, but he didn't...

[need2no]

ITA if casey did not have a home to take CAYLEE to or no job and no way to take care of her then cindy should not have let her take CAYLEE out of the house.was casey going to live in the car? how was she going to feed CAYLEE? no grandmother I know would have let casey do that not until she had a place to live and a job to take care of Caylee. noway would she have taken that baby out of my house.There is a lot of things she could have done to keep her from leaving with Caylee had she really wanted to. What friends did cindy think casey would live with? she had no real friends except boy friends. the boy friends did not want a baby staying with them.I wish cindy could tell why she would let casey leave with Caylee with no place to stay and no money and no job.crazy thing I ever heard of.jmho:wub:


Morning Martha. Isn't it strange, IF we believed Cindy's story that casey was going to stay with friends, that she didn't AT LEAST ask casey for phone #'s and addresses of these friends. Especially since George and Cindy have both stated casey had a new circle of friends they didn't know. Of course we know their statements make no sense so we have to wonder what they are trying to hide. It's quite clear casey did not walk out of that house on good terms.

ETA: We realize you've been away from the board a lot due to your hubby being ill, (hope he is doing better), so you probably missed the rule about only referring to the Anthony's by their full name. No abbreviations of any kind are allowed. Knowing you, I realize you meant no harm whatsoever. :wub:

[need2no]

Maybe we can look back at some of the same links, and discuss them another morning (I've got to leave for now). My memory retention isn't what it was when I was in my prime. And, some of the early statements made, do seem to take on new meanings, now that time has passed.

In re-listening to Cindy's LE interview today, she indicated that George moved back into the home just before Caylee's first birthday. Earlier, I recall Cindy indicating that George moved out in Dec 2005 and was out of the home for six months. ....if I count the months, I would come up with George being gone more like eight months.

I just suspect that the George that we have seen speaking to Casey on the jail visitations, is not the George that existed in the Anthony home when Casey was present. I believe that he and Casey probably argued constantly. And, that Cindy frequently stepped in and just told George to drop it, and that she would handle Casey. JMO, I could be very wrong too.


You're probably gone now...and I've got to go shortly myself. Anyway I like your idea, this will be a good refresher for us as we wait for the new stuff to be released.

ITA about George, somethings off. Maybe he didn't stop casey from leaving because he was glad to see her go...tired of the battles. It's like he trys too hard in some odd ways.

[LadyHam]

That is so true...If they all had a 1/4 of a brain, they should have done sometyhing to convince Casey to fess up and I believe the difference would have been Manslaughter vs murder one......out in 7 or LWOP/DP...Casey was 22 at the time, she would have gotten out by the time she was 29 and still had a life...but now it's too late for that....They all blew.....

One would have thought that any decent lawyer would have convinced her to do that.....but when these lawyers are looking for publicity, they thrive on the criminal that claims to be "not guilty"....

But Casey will get just what she deserves now.....DP/LWOP

I agree, they all blew it. I wonder if Casey thinks it is all her parent's fault (especially Cindy's) for initially calling 911 on her? In reality, it is nobody else's fault but Casey's. Even if she didn't do it, she certainly didn't help herself and do herself any favors by lying to LE.

I have to wonder about her lawyers as well. You would think that they would try to get her to take a plea deal since there is so much overwhelming evidence against her. Now it is too late because the state isn't offering her any deals. I just wonder if AL was on her case from the beginning, if she would have been able to convince Casey to take the plea deal? By the time AL came on the scene, it was already too late and JB had already inflicted a lot of damage. All AL is doing nowadays is damage control.

[zippy]

Thank you everyone this morning for all the insights on this case. Will be lurking and posting later. :thumbsup:

[kelloggirl]

I agree. I think the 3rd 911 call was Cindy's last trick that she had to pull out of her proverbial bag of tricks. She thought it would force Casey to produce Caylee for her and when it didn't, she probably knew right then and there what Caylee's ultimate fate was. Maybe up until that time she was hoping against hope that Casey had given Caylee away or adopted her out to another family, but when she pulled out her last stop and it still didn't work, she had to know the truth then.

...respectfully snipped...

I completely agree with the above. When Casey didn't call Cindy's bluff, Cindy put that together with the smell in the car, and she knew, at least on a subconscious level. That's why that 3rd 911 call was the one and only unguarded emotional, truly panicked moment we ever heard from Cindy. She might've backtracked completely into denial and coverup the second she hung up the phone, but at that moment she knew.

I, like many of you, have followed lots of missing persons cases. I have seen families express hope and beliefs - "I believe she's still alive", but most just say they want to know the truth and want closure, regardless of whether the child is dead or alive - "I just want her/him to come home - no matter what." A lot of them are hopeful, but resigned to the possibility and the probability that their child is no longer alive - the statistics of child abduction after survival are dismal. Did we ever hear the Anthony's acknowledge even the slightest possiblity that Caylee was no longer alive? If they did, I don't recall it, ever.

Rather, the Anthony's shouting "CAYLEE IS ALIVE" and disparging and fighting with any one who ever breathed a hint of it otherwise went so far past normal denial and hope that I can find no other explanation for it other than they knew she was gone but they were never going to give anyone the satisfaction of admitting it, because that would lead to one person and one person only - their odious daughter. As usual, with the Anthony's, especially with Cindy, every lie and every story has one purpose and one purpose only - to prove everyone wrong about anything and everything. Case in point - the death threats. First, she says she was getting death threats. I think it's actually very plausible that they were getting death threats. When asked about it later, she completely not only contradicts herself with vehemence, but she takes up the less sympathetic position simply to argue with and/or make the reporter look bad! Duh, Cindy, they were actualy probably going to portray you with some sympathy if you admitted it! She is the least logical, most reactionary and hostile person I have ever seen in my life.

[LadyHam]

Thank you everyone this morning for all the insights on this case. Will be lurking and posting later. :thumbsup:

Have a good one! :seeya: Enjoyed posting w/you this morning, and I appreciate your insight on this case.

[need2no]

Bolding by me.....

I so agree w/you. Cindy using Casey's mothering skills of Caylee as a form of tough love was the wrong forum and wrong venue for her to do so. If she wanted to use tough love on her she should have taken the car away from her and told her that she wasn't allowed to use it until she had a job where she would be able to pay half of all expenses on it. Knowing what she knows now, I wonder if Cindy wishes she would have paid for a babysitter for Caylee for the times that she couldn't be w/her?

I'm jumping around doing a hit and miss here since I've got to leave soon.

ITA, Cindy had 2 important things to hold over casey's head in order to protect Caylee: the car, and the cell phone. WTH didn't she utilize those things instead of playing head games with casey! Unless of course Cindy feared casey might become so angry and do harm to Caylee. Hmmmm...

[need2no]

I completely agree with the above. When Casey didn't call Cindy's bluff, Cindy put that together with the smell in the car, and she knew, at least on a subconscious level. That's why that 3rd 911 call was the one and only unguarded emotional, truly panicked moment we ever heard from Cindy. She might've backtracked completely into denial and coverup the second she hung up the phone, but at that moment she knew.

I, like many of you, have followed lots of missing persons cases. I have seen families express hope and beliefs - "I believe she's still alive", but most just say they want to know the truth and want closure, regardless of whether the child is dead or alive - "I just want her/him to come home - no matter what." A lot of them are hopeful, but resigned to the possibility and the probability that their child is no longer alive - the statistics of child abduction after survival are dismal. Did we ever hear the Anthony's acknowledge even the slightest possiblity that Caylee was no longer alive? If they did, I don't recall it, ever.

Rather, the Anthony's shouting "CAYLEE IS ALIVE" and disparging and fighting with any one who ever breathed a hint of it otherwise went so far past normal denial and hope that I can find no other explanation for it other than they knew she was gone but they were never going to give anyone the satisfaction of admitting it, because that would lead to one person and one person only - their odious daughter. As usual, with the Anthony's, especially with Cindy, every lie and every story has one purpose and one purpose only - to prove everyone wrong about anything and everything. Case in point - the death threats. First, she says she was getting death threats. I think it's actually very plausible that they were getting death threats. When asked about it later, she completely not only contradicts herself with vehemence, but she takes up the less sympathetic position simply to argue with and/or make the reporter look bad! Duh, Cindy, they were actualy probably going to portray you with some sympathy if you admitted it! She is the least logical, most reactionary and hostile person I have ever seen in my life.

Great post KG!!

Another thing that I've found interesting is how Nejame resigned right after that pic of the little girl in the mall sighting came out. I've always suspected this was a set up, and Nejame knew it and wouldn't play along. Odd how no one ever came forward saying it was their daughter, niece, granddaughter, neighbor, child's friend, etc. Seems someone would have recognized this child and would have come forward...unless the little girl's family was visiting from out of town. How convenient for the Anthony's if that is the case.

[nana6]

I can agree more....there is just no way that Casey would have left my home with my grandchild (mother or no mothere)...Cindy had to have known that Casey was irresponsible, Cindy knew Casey did not have a home to bring Caylee to, Cindy had to know that her daughter did not have a job...(infact, I remember when Cindy was on the stand at one point that she admitted knowing that Casey didn't have a job , and felt that it was ok because she had a baby and could stay home with Caylee, that Cindy didn't have a problem with that)....

How would ANY grandparent allow their daughter to take a grandchild out of a stable home and not know where she would be? Just no way....The ANTHONY'S have to take some blame for what happened.....They never even asked to know where Caylee was being kept......

They just didn't care...that's why there are no tears for Caylee.....



Hi, ITA. At the very least, the night of the big blowup, I think that I would have gotten in the car and followed Casey. She took Caylee out of the house supposedly after a huge fight when tempers were high. As a mother, that would have scared me to death to have my daughter go off in a rage. I know me and I would have followed her for sure.
If not, that night I would have tracked Casey down during the daytime and looked for her until I found her. It seems the ANTHONY"S never took the time to even go to Casey after the fight and ask her questions. IMO as always.

[jammies]

Hi, ITA. At the very least, the night of the big blowup, I think that I would have gotten in the car and followed Casey. She took Caylee out of the house supposedly after a huge fight when tempers were high. As a mother, that would have scared me to death to have my daughter go off in a rage. I know me and I would have followed her for sure.
If not, that night I would have tracked Casey down during the daytime and looked for her until I found her. It seems the ANTHONY"S never took the time to even go to Casey after the fight and ask her questions. IMO as always.



Cindy was more concerned about her own needs. Feeling sorry for herself, martyr syndrome, me me me. Just like Casey.
This was a tug of war little game between Cindy and Casey. Cindy finally gave in after an entire month. Called the gf and cried "uncle". Guess Casey showed HER!

[Barbara fl.]

Hi, ITA. At the very least, the night of the big blowup, I think that I would have gotten in the car and followed Casey. She took Caylee out of the house supposedly after a huge fight when tempers were high. As a mother, that would have scared me to death to have my daughter go off in a rage. I know me and I would have followed her for sure.
If not, that night I would have tracked Casey down during the daytime and looked for her until I found her. It seems the ANTHONY"S never took the time to even go to Casey after the fight and ask her questions. IMO as always.



I would have done the exact same thing.....Geez, I looked for my dog longer then they looked for Caylee....

And now, all they are concerned about is Casey.....there only concern should have been for the 2 yeard old they allowed to leave with Casey....She would have had to get passed me before she would have been able to take Caylee out of that house....and if she did manage that, I would have called the police and told them that she had no place to go with a toddler.....(it worked for me)

[court~critic1®]

Great post KG!!

Another thing that I've found interesting is how Nejame resigned right after that pic of the little girl in the mall sighting came out. I've always suspected this was a set up, and Nejame knew it and wouldn't play along. Odd how no one ever came forward saying it was their daughter, niece, granddaughter, neighbor, child's friend, etc. Seems someone would have recognized this child and would have come forward...unless the little girl's family was visiting from out of town. How convenient for the Anthony's if that is the case.



Or could this child have been a child of someone connected to Mr.&Mrs Anthony??? Just a thought on my part. No proof.

[need2no]

Cindy was more concerned about her own needs. Feeling sorry for herself, martyr syndrome, me me me. Just like Casey.
This was a tug of war little game between Cindy and Casey. Cindy finally gave in after an entire month. Called the gf and cried "uncle". Guess Casey showed HER!

Yep, I can picture her having a tantrum, shouting and swearing after casey stormed out that night. She probably even shed a few tears (for herself) over her frustration and swore she would to this, that and the other, she'd show her, casey wouldn't get away with it this time...then popped one of her pills and went off to bed.

[need2no]

Or could this child have been a child of someone connected to Mr.&Mrs Anthony??? Just a thought on my part. No proof.

That's exactly what I meant, a set up.

[Barbara fl.]

Cindy was more concerned about her own needs. Feeling sorry for herself, martyr syndrome, me me me. Just like Casey.
This was a tug of war little game between Cindy and Casey. Cindy finally gave in after an entire month. Called the gf and cried "uncle". Guess Casey showed HER!

She certainly did show Cindy, but at her own daughters expense....this poor little girl never even made it to her first day of school, her prom, her first boyfriend or anything...all because of a self centered mother and grand parents...

I hope they can live with themselves.....

We all have made mistakes with our children, but if I ever made this big of a mistake, that cost my granddaughters life, I would be a total basket case, they would have to take me away in restraints...and NO WAY would I be covering for my child who was capable of doing this....There would be nothing left of me to be able to cover for anyone....

[zippy]

http://www.wesh.com/money/21134931/detail.html

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/money/21134931/detail.html

Thanks so much Zippy, for finding this info, and for posting this link!!!!!

Doc Dump tomorrow!!! A spokeswoman for state attorney Lawson Lamar said the office anticipates releasing between 1,000 and 2,000 pages of material Tuesday morning.

[Kathlb]

Thanks so much Zippy, for finding this info, and for posting this link!!!!!

Doc Dump tomorrow!!!

Thanks from me too! We are due for a document dump. :-) I wonder why they are angry that Diane Fanning is making money from her book when the Anthonys have made money all along from little Caylee's death and their daughter's arrest and charges??

[Sun]

-snip-
I'm really anxious for Judge Strickland to make some rulings on the tons of motions filed!! Seems like we have been waiting years. :-)

Judge Strickland has ruled on everything so far, hasn't he? There have been several motions filed since the last court hearing, but Judge Strickland can't rule on those without a court hearing, can he?

Now, Judge Rodriguez still hasn't made his ruling on the Civil Case, on the Motion to Dismiss/Stay. I've gotten the impression that Judge Rodriguez does NOT practice swift justice.

[breezie]

Thanks from me too! We are due for a document dump. :-) I wonder why they are angry that Diane Fanning is making money from her book when the Anthonys have made money all along from little Caylee's death and their daughter's arrest and charges??

I think initially people thought Mr. And Mrs. Anthony would profit from Fanning's book. She came here to tell us straight from her own mouth that was the case. I haven't heard any more since then.

[LadyHam]

Thanks so much Zippy, for finding this info, and for posting this link!!!!!

Doc Dump tomorrow!!! A spokeswoman for state attorney Lawson Lamar said the office anticipates releasing between 1,000 and 2,000 pages of material Tuesday morning.

Bolding by me.....

Can't wait for the doc dump tomorrow.:thumbup: Now the only thing that would make this even better is if Judge Strickland sets the date for the fraud trial. That would just be icing on the cake!

[martha]

Thanks from me too! We are due for a document dump. :-) I wonder why they are angry that Diane Fanning is making money from her book when the Anthonys have made money all along from little Caylee's death and their daughter's arrest and charges??ITA with you as much money as they have made why would they care. I am so glad we will get something on this case tomorrow. jmho:rose:

[Kathlb]

Judge Strickland has ruled on everything so far, hasn't he? There have been several motions filed since the last court hearing, but Judge Strickland can't rule on those without a court hearing, can he?

Now, Judge Rodriguez still hasn't made his ruling on the Civil Case, on the Motion to Dismiss/Stay. I've gotten the impression that Judge Rodriguez does NOT practice swift justice.

He has?? I must have been in limbo. :-) I didn't hear how the ruling went on throwing the trial out, or when Amy's case can go forward and when it will be. ??? I totally missed it. I'll have to go and look.
Thanks!

[Katprint]

BBM, ITA.

And Cindy made this ludicrous statement to Larry King:

C. ANTHONY: They made an arrest based on the fact that she lied about where she worked. That had nothing to do with Caylee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html
(May 13, 2009)


What a ridiculous thing to say.
It was a typical Anthony half-truth: ONE reason - though not the only reason - why Casey was arrested was because of Casey's false statements to police investigators. IIRC (I would link to it but can't find the old links thread that included links to the actual charging documents), there were two counts of False Official Statements / Obstruction of Justice relating to Casey's false statements concerning the circumstances of her dropping Caylee off at the imagi-nanny's apartment so that Casey could go to work at her imagi-job at Universal Studios. Thus, IMO it was not "ridiculous" because it was partially true. It was simply not the "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" as they say.

I think the Anthonys, and Cindy in particular, have convinced themselves that they are not "lying" if any part of what they are saying is true.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[JazzyBell]

I glance through this thread to see if anything is new. Mostly not, but I do catch some things. Thank you for the heads-up on Diane Fanning's book. I would never have picked it up as I do not read "pre-trial" books as they are not based on facts brought out in trial.

But this one seems to be a backround publication and as such will probably be invaluable to those of us who have not followed all the pre-trial things.

Also - much thanks for this link:
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-answer-malignant-narcissism.html

I looks to be a very interesting site.

Now, a question for those of you "in-the-know" - has there been any indication when this case will actually be brought to trial?

[Sun]

He has?? I must have been in limbo. :-) I didn't hear how the ruling went on throwing the trial out, or when Amy's case can go forward and when it will be. ??? I totally missed it. I'll have to go and look.
Thanks!

On Sept 3rd, Judge Strickland ruled for the State in their motion to allow the criminal check/fraud case to proceed, and all that remains is for (probably some clerk) to get the pre-trial and trial dates set. I'm not quite sure how that process works, and would love for Kat (or someone familiar with the processs) to explain how this process could work.

The Lyon's motion for spoliation, hasn't yet been been set for a court hearing date yet. ....they still have to argue their sides, before Judge Strickland rules, I think. The State filed their response to this motion on Sept 22, so now the defense will file their response to the State's response, and sometime after that I suppose a hearing date will be set.

[ish]

You're probably gone now...and I've got to go shortly myself. Anyway I like your idea, this will be a good refresher for us as we wait for the new stuff to be released.

ITA about George, somethings off. Maybe he didn't stop casey from leaving because he was glad to see her go...tired of the battles. It's like he trys too hard in some odd ways.

my bold

I think George and Casey tolerated each other. George loved Caylee and he loves Casey, but he was stuck between Cindy and Casey's battle . If he confronted Casey, CIndy covered for her and told him to butt out, therefore Casey had no respect for George's authority and basically ignored him.

[jammies]

She certainly did show Cindy, but at her own daughters expense....this poor little girl never even made it to her first day of school, her prom, her first boyfriend or anything...all because of a self centered mother and grand parents...

I hope they can live with themselves.....

We all have made mistakes with our children, but if I ever made this big of a mistake, that cost my granddaughters life, I would be a total basket case, they would have to take me away in restraints...and NO WAY would I be covering for my child who was capable of doing this....There would be nothing left of me to be able to cover for anyone....



ITA wholeheartedly with your entire post.

[Kathlb]

my bold

I think George and Casey tolerated each other. George loved Caylee and he loves Casey, but he was stuck between Cindy and Casey's battle . If he confronted Casey, CIndy covered for her and told him to butt out, therefore Casey had no respect for George's authority and basically ignored him.

I know a family just like this and as it does in this instance, it did in theirs too. No respect for the father figure and she ended up pregnant in high school just like Casey did after high school. It's sad when the parents don't stick together on the rules and follow thorough. Of course there is a lot more going on here, Casey has shown many other facets of her personality too.

[denjet]

It was a typical Anthony half-truth: ONE reason - though not the only reason - why Casey was arrested was because of Casey's false statements to police investigators. IIRC (I would link to it but can't find the old links thread that included links to the actual charging documents), there were two counts of False Official Statements / Obstruction of Justice relating to Casey's false statements concerning the circumstances of her dropping Caylee off at the imagi-nanny's apartment so that Casey could go to work at her imagi-job at Universal Studios. Thus, IMO it was not "ridiculous" because it was partially true. It was simply not the "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" as they say.

I think the Anthonys, and Cindy in particular, have convinced themselves that they are not "lying" if any part of what they are saying is true.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
ITA Kat!
From the Orange County Clerk's office site Casey was charged with
1st Degree Misdemeanor False Statements....
2nd Degree Misdemeanor False Statements....
3rd Degree FELONY Neglect of a Child

Cindy of course summed this up as false statements to LE .... which is typical ...
I remember her complaining in news conference that the bond was excessive for these charges (again referrering to lying to LE)

[Katprint]

She certainly did show Cindy, but at her own daughters expense....this poor little girl never even made it to her first day of school, her prom, her first boyfriend or anything...all because of a self centered mother and grand parents...

I hope they can live with themselves.....

We all have made mistakes with our children, but if I ever made this big of a mistake, that cost my granddaughters life, I would be a total basket case, they would have to take me away in restraints...and NO WAY would I be covering for my child who was capable of doing this....There would be nothing left of me to be able to cover for anyone....
Well, yes, that is how normal non-sociopathic people feel. When I lived in southern California, which has the highest per-capita number of swimming pools and consequently drowning is the leading cause of children's deaths there, from time to time a child would drown in their grandparents' swimming pool despite the fences, pool covers, alarms etc. intended to prevent such drownings. The grief-stricken grandparents would normally respond by filling in their pools with sand (they can't just be left empty because that creates a dangerous fall hazard plus the groundwater levels can push the concrete shell up out of the ground) although I recall at least one set of freakish grandparents who left their swimming pool intact and then a second grandchild drowned in the same pool.

IMO the Anthonys are the type of people who would leave their pool intact. (Does anyone know if they still have the swimming pool - where Caylee may have drowned for all we know - in their yard?)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sun]

ITA Kat!
From the Orange County Clerk's office site Casey was charged with
1st Degree Misdemeanor False Statements....
2nd Degree Misdemeanor False Statements....
3rd Degree FELONY Neglect of a Child

Cindy of course summed this up as false statements to LE .... which is typical ...
I remember her complaining in news conference that the bond was excessive for these charges (again referrering to lying to LE)

Somehow I'm thinking that Cindy always thinks that there is a good reason if Casey ever lies. In other words, NOTHING is ever Casey's fault, because there is always a good reason.

IMO, one does not lie to LE about the whereabouts of their own child. Unless they are guilty of commiting some type of crime, that is. The subject of the lies were directly related to the size of Casey's bond, IMO.

[Kathlb]

On Sept 3rd, Judge Strickland ruled for the State in their motion to allow the criminal check/fraud case to proceed, and all that remains is for (probably some clerk) to get the pre-trial and trial dates set. I'm not quite sure how that process works, and would love for Kat (or someone familiar with the processs) to explain how this process could work.

The Lyon's motion for spoliation, hasn't yet been been set for a court hearing date yet. ....they still have to argue their sides, before Judge Strickland rules, I think. The State filed their response to this motion on Sept 22, so now the defense will file their response to the State's response, and sometime after that I suppose a hearing date will be set.

Thanks Sun! I appreciate that. Good news on the fraud case then. And I can't imagine that the spoilation motion will get them anything other than listened to and then a resounding "NO". :biggrin:

[BettyC]

http://www.wesh.com/money/21134931/detail.html

Thanks zippy - from the link -

The book also provides some insight into the Anthony family, although the author notes she did not interview the immediate Anthony family.

utoh, I wonder if Rick is gonna be in trouble again?

[LadyHam]

It was a typical Anthony half-truth: ONE reason - though not the only reason - why Casey was arrested was because of Casey's false statements to police investigators. IIRC (I would link to it but can't find the old links thread that included links to the actual charging documents), there were two counts of False Official Statements / Obstruction of Justice relating to Casey's false statements concerning the circumstances of her dropping Caylee off at the imagi-nanny's apartment so that Casey could go to work at her imagi-job at Universal Studios. Thus, IMO it was not "ridiculous" because it was partially true. It was simply not the "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" as they say.

I think the Anthonys, and Cindy in particular, have convinced themselves that they are not "lying" if any part of what they are saying is true.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Even "if" Casey was arrested for lying to LE only, wouldn't that be enough to get Cindy upset? If my child was arrested for lying to LE they would have to suffer my wrath. I would not brush it under the rug and then go on to lie and cover up for them. Cindy should think about under what circumstances Casey was lying to LE about. She was partly lying about the whereabouts of Caylee, and yet it seems like Cindy excuses that like it is no big deal.:sneaky:

[Sun]

Thanks Sun! I appreciate that. Good news on the fraud case then. And I can't imagine that the spoilation motion will get them anything other than listened to and then a resounding "NO". :biggrin:

ITA, that spoliation motion will be denied. I wonder if LKB will be the one to argue that one? She's not easy for me to listen to.

[ladeebug565]

ITA if casey did not have a home to take CAYLEE to or no job and no way to take care of her then cindy should not have let her take CAYLEE out of the house.was casey going to live in the car? how was she going to feed CAYLEE? no grandmother I know would have let casey do that not until she had a place to live and a job to take care of Caylee. noway would she have taken that baby out of my house.There is a lot of things she could have done to keep her from leaving with Caylee had she really wanted to. What friends did cindy think casey would live with? she had no real friends except boy friends. the boy friends did not want a baby staying with them.I wish cindy could tell why she would let casey leave with Caylee with no place to stay and no money and no job.crazy thing I ever heard of.jmho:wub:

All Cindy would've had to say is "not in MY car you don't" when Casey was leaving in a huff after an argument. Six little words.

[Sun]

Thanks zippy - from the link -

The book also provides some insight into the Anthony family, although the author notes she did not interview the immediate Anthony family.

utoh, I wonder if Rick is gonna be in trouble again?

chuckles.... that thought also came into my mind after reading that article. Rick might have been the one. I wonder just who Fanning could have interviewed to get info on Cindy or George? Could it have been Cindy's mom? If so, it would likely be slanted a bit to favor Cindy. One of the only times that I felt compassion towards Cindy, was just after re-reading/listening to LE's interviews with Shirley.

[cassidy]

All Cindy would've had to say is "not in MY car you don't" when Casey was leaving in a huff after an argument. Six little words.

exactly. so easy

[cassidy]

Does this mean that the Anthonys will get royalties from the book?
no...............

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Does this mean that the Anthonys will get royalties from the book?

Why would the Anthonys receive royalties from a book they personally have nothing to do with?

[marshmallow]

Can Casey Marie Anthony, Cindy Anthony, Lee Anthony, or George Anthony sue the author, publisher, or distributor of the book because it is based on them? Can they claim a portion of the royalties too?

[crimeq]

I never thought of that...you have a very good point...I do believe that I would have looked to see that as well.....I believe that Casey told Cuindy that Zanny had duplicates of everything (who in their right mind would have fell for that) ....I agree, that would have pulled up a red flag for me as well.....

Cindy's behavior during that 31 days is very odd. She has a lot of culpability in this situation. Yes, Casey did it--but where was Cindy? What was she thinking, to not grab ahold of the situation and demand answers, demand accountability? The whole thing is bizarre. I wonder what kinds of talks she and George had during that month that Casey was gone.

[Barbara fl.]

Well, yes, that is how normal non-sociopathic people feel. When I lived in southern California, which has the highest per-capita number of swimming pools and consequently drowning is the leading cause of children's deaths there, from time to time a child would drown in their grandparents' swimming pool despite the fences, pool covers, alarms etc. intended to prevent such drownings. The grief-stricken grandparents would normally respond by filling in their pools with sand (they can't just be left empty because that creates a dangerous fall hazard plus the groundwater levels can push the concrete shell up out of the ground) although I recall at least one set of freakish grandparents who left their swimming pool intact and then a second grandchild drowned in the same pool.

IMO the Anthonys are the type of people who would leave their pool intact. (Does anyone know if they still have the swimming pool - where Caylee may have drowned for all we know - in their yard?)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I'm sure they do...They seem to have no problem using the money associated to Caylee's demise.....

They are such poor excuses for grandparents.....it makes me sick...

[breezie]

Can Casey Marie Anthony, Cindy Anthony, Lee Anthony, or George Anthony sue the author, publisher, or distributor of the book because it is based on them? Can they claim a portion of the royalties too?

Any one can sue, but I doubt it would go anywhere. This is Diane's career. Writing true crime.

[Kathlb]

Can Casey Marie Anthony, Cindy Anthony, Lee Anthony, or George Anthony sue the author, publisher, or distributor of the book because it is based on them? Can they claim a portion of the royalties too?

I am sure that Diane covered herself by stating that it's just a theory when there were conclusions drawn or put forth as a "maybe it happened this way". She is smart and wouldn't open herself up to a lawsuit. As for the Anthonys getting residuals or any money from the sale of the book, the answer is no. :-) Diane might have a problem with that since she wrote it. :wink:

[Barbara fl.]

Cindy's behavior during that 31 days is very odd. She has a lot of culpability in this situation. Yes, Casey did it--but where was Cindy? What was she thinking, to not grab ahold of the situation and demand answers, demand accountability? The whole thing is bizarre. I wonder what kinds of talks she and George had during that month that Casey was gone.


They probably enjoyed their freedom....the same way Casey did.....it's so sad that this little prescious child caused so much trouble for one family...

and she didn't even ask to be born.....

[marshmallow]

I am sure that Diane covered herself by stating that it's just a theory when there were conclusions drawn or put forth as a "maybe it happened this way". She is smart and wouldn't open herself up to a lawsuit. As for the Anthonys getting residuals or any money from the sale of the book, the answer is no. :-) Diane might have a problem with that since she wrote it. :wink:


I would imagine that Casey Marie Anthony, Cindy Anthony, George Anthony, and Lee Anthony might be upset at the money made and not shared with them.

[crimeq]

I can agree more....there is just no way that Casey would have left my home with my grandchild (mother or no mothere)...Cindy had to have known that Casey was irresponsible, Cindy knew Casey did not have a home to bring Caylee to, Cindy had to know that her daughter did not have a job...(infact, I remember when Cindy was on the stand at one point that she admitted knowing that Casey didn't have a job , and felt that it was ok because she had a baby and could stay home with Caylee, that Cindy didn't have a problem with that)....

How would ANY grandparent allow their daughter to take a grandchild out of a stable home and not know where she would be? Just no way....The ANTHONY'S have to take some blame for what happened.....They never even asked to know where Caylee was being kept......

They just didn't care...that's why there are no tears for Caylee.....

Hi Barbara, I think you're right. Cindy did not do ANYTHING that a normal grandmother would have done, just as Casey did not do ANYTHING that a normal mother would have.

Both Cindy and Casey are so wrapped up in their own narcissism that Caylee simply didn't exist as a real little person with real needs.

[Barbara fl.]

All Cindy would've had to say is "not in MY car you don't" when Casey was leaving in a huff after an argument. Six little words.


Six little words that I would have used.....and all this would not have happened....

[Kathlb]

I would imagine that Casey Marie Anthony, Cindy Anthony, George Anthony, and Lee Anthony might be upset at the money made and not shared with them.

Too bad. :biggrin:

[Scampi]

I have always thought that had cindy taken the keys of the car away from casey anthony, Caylee would still be alive.

[Aunt]

ITA with you as much money as they have made why would they care. I am so glad we will get something on this case tomorrow. jmho:rose:

I think the Anthonys want ALL the Caylee money.

Looking forward to the documents to be released by the State tomorrow too!

By the way, the best part of this forum is the intelligent posters who seem to be the ONLY ones who care about Caylee and her justice.

This forum should be kept OPEN for Caylee, if nothing else.

JMO

[cassidy]

I have always thought that had cindy taken the keys of the car away from casey anthony, Caylee would still be alive.

Me too Scampi. Wonder if that thought ever crosses Cindy Anthony's mind?

[Scampi]

I think the Anthonys want ALL the Caylee money.

Looking forward to the documents to be released by the State tomorrow too!

By the way, the best part of this forum is the intelligent posters who seem to be the ONLY ones who care about Caylee and her justice.

This forum should be kept OPEN for Caylee, if nothing else.

JMO

I agree with you. In a case where the family is standing firmly behind the defendant accused of murdering her, I think it is profound that we as posters at IS have this venue.

[Barbara fl.]

Exactly, crimeq. I've sensed something was very seriously wrong with that family since day 31 -- since the first moment I heard Cindy Anthony speak.

It's amazing how many people who post and blog about this case have the Anthonys' number. It's very rare to see a positive word written about them. So glad they no longer have anyone fooled.

They are the poster family for how not to live your life.


Well written......:seeya:

[Barbara fl.]

I think the Anthonys want ALL the Caylee money.

Looking forward to the documents to be released by the State tomorrow too!

By the way, the best part of this forum is the intelligent posters who seem to be the ONLY ones who care about Caylee and her justice.

This forum should be kept OPEN for Caylee, if nothing else.

JMO


I fully agree.....

[Scampi]

Me too Scampi. Wonder if that thought ever crosses Cindy Anthony's mind?

Hiya Cass, I would bet you that late at night, when george anthony is gazing up at the moon and stars, he thinks of what could have been done differently.

[cassidy]

Hiya Cass, I would bet you that late at night, when george anthony is gazing up at the moon and stars, he thinks of what could have been done differently.

I'll bet he does too. Unfortunately he isn't man enough to get in there and do the right thing by Caylee.

JMO

[breezie]

Hiya Cass, I would bet you that late at night, when george anthony is gazing up at the moon and stars, he thinks of what could have been done differently.

And I hope it haunts him. And that he hears Caylee singing "You were my Sunshine" to him. I still can't believe he won't stand up for her.

[jammies]

I would imagine that Casey Marie Anthony, Cindy Anthony, George Anthony, and Lee Anthony might be upset at the money made and not shared with them.



Oh, you betcha. Since Cindy Anthony and George Anthony haven't worked for over a year. Does Lee Anthony have job? Didn't Lee Anthony park cars for a living? Set his sights high, huh? lol

[Katprint]

I have always thought that had cindy taken the keys of the car away from casey anthony, Caylee would still be alive.
I agree with the concept. However, I think that is where Cindy's story about "Casey is such a conscientious mother that she has an extra car key in her pocket in case she accidentally locks Caylee in the car with the keys" comes from. I think Cindy previously tried taking away Casey's car keys but Casey had made a duplicate set of car keys! Presumably Cindy would have been threatening to take away Casey's car keys before she did it, just like Cindy had been threatening to take custody of Caylee away from Casey, so Casey got a copy of the car key made just in case Cindy followed through on her threat to take away the car keys.

So, this would be another typical Anthony half-truth: Yes, Casey might have extra car keys in her pocket (or hidden elsewhere.) Not as an extra special child safety precaution, but just in case Cindy took away Casey's car keys in an effort to keep Casey from using the car.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: So, what Cindy would REALLY have to do is to have the car re-keyed, to keep Casey from taking it.

[crimeq]

Exactly, crimeq. I've sensed something was very seriously wrong with that family since day 31 -- since the first moment I heard Cindy Anthony speak.

It's amazing how many people who post and blog about this case have the Anthonys' number. It's very rare to see a positive word written about them. So glad they no longer have anyone fooled.

They are the poster family for how not to live your life.

Purr, my introduction to this case was Cindy's first TV interview with Greta, and that was SO bizarre! I was posting on a site about borderline personalities at the time, and that board lit up with YIKES! Watch this! Everyone on that board had Cindy pegged immediately.

And Greta was just the beginning. The Anthonys do run a full-scale, three-ring circus.

[Scampi]

I agree with the concept. However, I think that is where Cindy's story about "Casey is such a conscientious mother that she has an extra car key in her pocket in case she accidentally locks Caylee in the car with the keys" comes from. I think Cindy previously tried taking away Casey's car keys but Casey had made a duplicate set of car keys! Presumably Cindy would have been threatening to take away Casey's car keys before she did it, just like Cindy had been threatening to take custody of Caylee away from Casey, so Casey got a copy of the car key made just in case Cindy followed through on her threat to take away the car keys.

So, this would be another typical Anthony half-truth: Yes, Casey might have extra car keys in her pocket (or hidden elsewhere.) Not as an extra special child safety precaution, but just in case Cindy took away Casey's car keys in an effort to keep Casey from using the car.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I think you're right Kat. Add in cindy and george anthony's remark that they removed the car battery so "someone" didn't remove it from the garage, upon arriving home from the impound lot, and I'm sure you're right.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree with the concept. However, I think that is where Cindy's story about "Casey is such a conscientious mother that she has an extra car key in her pocket in case she accidentally locks Caylee in the car with the keys" comes from. I think Cindy previously tried taking away Casey's car keys but Casey had made a duplicate set of car keys! Presumably Cindy would have been threatening to take away Casey's car keys before she did it, just like Cindy had been threatening to take custody of Caylee away from Casey, so Casey got a copy of the car key made just in case Cindy followed through on her threat to take away the car keys.

So, this would be another typical Anthony half-truth: Yes, Casey might have extra car keys in her pocket (or hidden elsewhere.) Not as an extra special child safety precaution, but just in case Cindy took away Casey's car keys in an effort to keep Casey from using the car.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: So, what Cindy would REALLY have to do is to have the car re-keyed, to keep Casey from taking it.


I would have been aware of that , so I would have blocked the car in...:biggrin:

[Sun]

Can you all imagine if Dr. Phil had connected up with George and Cindy back in July 2008. And, done weekly shows on their family, much as he did with the Dr. Phil family? I can see it now, Cindy and George weekly professing that Casey is not a criminal.

The above thought popped into my mind, after I noticed what show was being aired today, at 5 p.m.

[crimeq]

I agree with the concept. However, I think that is where Cindy's story about "Casey is such a conscientious mother that she has an extra car key in her pocket in case she accidentally locks Caylee in the car with the keys" comes from. I think Cindy previously tried taking away Casey's car keys but Casey had made a duplicate set of car keys! Presumably Cindy would have been threatening to take away Casey's car keys before she did it, just like Cindy had been threatening to take custody of Caylee away from Casey, so Casey got a copy of the car key made just in case Cindy followed through on her threat to take away the car keys.

So, this would be another typical Anthony half-truth: Yes, Casey might have extra car keys in her pocket (or hidden elsewhere.) Not as an extra special child safety precaution, but just in case Cindy took away Casey's car keys in an effort to keep Casey from using the car.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: So, what Cindy would REALLY have to do is to have the car re-keyed, to keep Casey from taking it.

In fact, wasn't there something about Caylee having made multiple copies of a key (I think this came from Amy?) -- a large number, like six or ten -- maybe Casey was storing keys with each of her friends, in case she ever needed a key.

[cassidy]

.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: So, what Cindy would REALLY have to do is to have the car re-keyed, to keep Casey from taking it.

How about reporting it stolen and having Casey stopped by the cops?

[Aunt]

I wonder how many times in 2007-2008 the Anthonys called Locksmiths and had the locks on the house/car changed over.

:glare:

[crimeq]

I think you're right Kat. Add in cindy and george anthony's remark that they removed the car battery so "someone" didn't remove it from the garage, upon arriving home from the impound lot, and I'm sure you're right.

"Someone". You never know "who" might try to take the car. The Anthonys would be funny, were this not so tragic.

[marshmallow]

Oh, you betcha. Since Cindy Anthony and George Anthony haven't worked for over a year. Does Lee Anthony have job? Didn't Lee Anthony park cars for a living? Set his sights high, huh? lol

I think Lee Anthony works in some capacity with setting up parking for events. I have kept from thinking too much about Lee Anthony because, of all the non-jailed immediate family, he has kept out of the spotlight the most.

I also am confused as to how Cindy Marie Anthony and George Anthony are making due. It is tough with today's economy to manage a household on one income, trying to live on no income must be very very difficult.

I'm sure that Lee Anthony helps out though.

[Sun]

I would have been aware of that , so I would have blocked the car in...:biggrin:

George's solution, was to remove the car's battery. Shucks, with his background, you'd think that he'd be smart enough to just remove a fuse from under the hood. Much less effort required to do that.

[breezie]

I wonder how many times in 2007-2008 the Anthonys called Locksmiths and had the locks on the house/car changed over.

:glare:

zero Aunt. That's the problem. They let her get away with sneaking back and stealing from them.

Heck, they didn't change them with the *evil nanny* was threatening their lives.

[Scampi]

"Someone". You never know "who" might try to take the car. The Anthonys would be funny, were this not so tragic.

So true Cri. If this subject is broached on the stand, I don't think the prosecution will let them get away with the silly "someone" answer.

[cassidy]

I wonder how many times in 2007-2008 the Anthonys called Locksmiths and had the locks on the house/car changed over.

:glare:

Hmmmmm I'll hazard a guess....ZERO


JMO

[crimeq]

I think he is on "kid finders" payroll.....I heard mention that he is getting 60 grand a year.....For what?, I couldn't tell you..... He's not worth 60 cents.....

Barbara, I wonder if he's still in their employ, since Milsteads lost their house to foreclosure, etc. I wonder if they had the funds to continue paying George to be their "spokesperson." Seems to me that the figure was $40K, not $60K, but I'm not 100% certain of that.

[Barbara fl.]

I wonder how many times in 2007-2008 the Anthonys called Locksmiths and had the locks on the house/car changed over.

:glare:


I can answer that......never, and yet they knew that ZFG had a set of keys to their home, Casey said she told them that a long time ago....remember?


Funny, how they took a chance with a stranger, and supposedly a friend of Casey's to have a set of keys to their home....:sneaky:

[BettyC]

Hmmmmm I'll hazard a guess....ZERO


JMO

Right, they just locked up the shed.

[cassidy]

Barbara, I wonder if he's still in their employ, since Milsteads lost their house to foreclosure, etc. I wonder if they had the funds to continue paying George to be their "spokesperson." Seems to me that the figure was $40K, not $60K, but I'm not 100% certain of that.


George Anthony was actually on their payroll?? I guess I missed that but it figures. all this time I just thought he was sucking up.

JMO

[marshmallow]

zero Aunt. That's the problem. They let her get away with sneaking back and stealing from them.

Heck, they didn't change them with the *evil nanny* was threatening their lives.


That also confused me. If my child said, from jail, that she'd given keys to my home to anyone I would've called the locksmith from the jail parking lot.

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara, I wonder if he's still in their employ, since Milsteads lost their house to foreclosure, etc. I wonder if they had the funds to continue paying George to be their "spokesperson." Seems to me that the figure was $40K, not $60K, but I'm not 100% certain of that.


Maybe they meant pretzels instead of cash.....How can anyone think that George is worth even 40K.....He probably didn't work long enough for a full weeks pay on a regular schedule week as a security guard...

[cassidy]

Right, they just locked up the shed.

Well sure. They had to lock that gas away. We all know Casey couldn't get it anywhere else. Oh...wait..she got it wil the money she stole from the house she had a key to...

JMO

[jammies]

I think he is on "kid finders" payroll.....I heard mention that he is getting 60 grand a year.....For what?, I couldn't tell you..... He's not worth 60 cents.....



oh dear lawd. Who the heck is still donating to that bogus operation?

[anon-o-miss]

I agree. I think the 3rd 911 call was Cindy's last trick that she had to pull out of her proverbial bag of tricks. She thought it would force Casey to produce Caylee for her and when it didn't, she probably knew right then and there what Caylee's ultimate fate was. Maybe up until that time she was hoping against hope that Casey had given Caylee away or adopted her out to another family, but when she pulled out her last stop and it still didn't work, she had to know the truth then.

I think they were all wrong on hedging their bets on trying to get Casey off scott free. Their best bet would have been to try to convince Casey to come clean w/what really happened and hope that the court had mercy on her. Who knows, she could have maybe worked out a deal where she could have one day gotten out of prison? As it stands now, she will either be put to death or more likely, spend the rest of her life in prison. I'm wondering if they had this to do all over again if they would do the exact same things, or if they would do things differently?
(bolding mine)
IMO the only thing they would have done differently would be calling 911.

[crimeq]

George Anthony was actually on their payroll?? I guess I missed that but it figures. all this time I just thought he was sucking up.

JMO

Hi Cass, yes, I believe he was actually on their payroll. I think this came out about the time of Haleigh's disappearance, when the Anthonys showed up uninvited and unwanted.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Was the car in Caseys name?

No. The car was not in Casey's name.

[cassidy]

That also confused me. If my child said, from jail, that she'd given keys to my home to anyone I would've called the locksmith from the jail parking lot.

Me too Marsh. Just boggles my mind that that, coupled with the numerous death threats they claimed to get and they STILL didn't change the locks. Go figure!

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

oh dear lawd. Who the heck is still donating to that bogus operation?


I hope, no one.....maybe Cindy and George will have to return to work.....:laugh:

[crimeq]

Was the car in Caseys name?

No. That's been discussed ad nauseum.

[cassidy]

(bolding mine)
IMO the only thing they would have done differently would be calling 911.

I agree. That 911 call would never have been made. Caylee would be gone and no one would be the wiser.

JMO

[Katprint]

Was the car in Caseys name?
The car was in George and Cindy's name. That was why the certified/registered impound notice went to George and Cindy, and IIRC there was some issue that they had to to get additional documentation (maybe the registration?) to show the tow yard which made Cindy especially angry at the tow yard people.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[marshmallow]

And I was correcting you. Obviously. And you're welcome. :)

If you would like to speak with only Barbara, I suggest the PM option. TIA. :)

On topic... I noticed in one article about Diane Fanning's book that there is “8 pages of alarming photographs” in her book.

What photographs could she possibly have had access to that haven't been seen by all of us?

Maybe some from Rick perhaps?



it may depend on how we define "alarming". Every picture of Caylee Marie Anthony is alarming to me because her little life was taken so early.

[Barbara fl.]

Right, they just locked up the shed.


How about that? They didn't want her using their gas cans, but let her leave in their car with thir granddaughter, not knowing where they were going....Real odd balls.....:blink:

[crimeq]

And I was correcting you. Obviously. And you're welcome. :)

If you would like to speak with only Barbara, I suggest the PM option. TIA. :)

On topic... I noticed in one article about Diane Fanning's book that there is “8 pages of alarming photographs” in her book.

What photographs could she possibly have had access to that haven't been seen by all of us?

Maybe some from Rick perhaps?

I am going to get her book. I think it was very nice of Diane to come to the board and post with us, answer our questions. I was not aware of her books before and have looked up a lot of info about her since--I will probably read her other books too.

I'm very curious to read the Caylee book, since Diane didn't have access to the Anthonys for direct interviews.

It's fascinating to me how crime writers can piece together a story and turn it into a book.

[Aunt]

Was the car in Caseys name?

Don't you recall Casey paid for the car with her paycheques from Universal, along with diapers, insurance, gas, rent to her parents etc.

Oh ya, those were lies. :wink:

[Katprint]

That also confused me. If my child said, from jail, that she'd given keys to my home to anyone I would've called the locksmith from the jail parking lot.
Maybe not, if you knew that the person did not actually exist.

Besides, Cindy had to leave the locks unchanged so that they could blame the imagi-nanny for coming back to get trash bags, duct tape, the laundry hamper, etc. found with Caylee's body. The same imagi-nanny who broke into the car while it was still in impound, and deposited human decomp residue along with one of Caylee's hairs with a death ring on it.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[♫Rock*Star♫]

No it was just a mistake no use in rehashing it. She says she got most her info from court documents. I wonder if the Anthony's released some photographs that they had the court seal, to her first?

The Anthonys gave nothing voluntarily to Diane Fanning.

[Anakerie]

Unauthorized?

What in the world are you talking about?

The book is not a biography.
I wonder how many true crime authors have gotten "authorization" from people involved in a true crime. I'm willing to bet that there aren't many "authorized" true crime books...

What a question... The book is about the crime. Why on earth would you want to write a book that was authorized by the Anthony clan? It certainly wouldn't be a "true crime" book, that's for sure!

[denjet]

I would imagine that Casey Marie Anthony, Cindy Anthony, George Anthony, and Lee Anthony might be upset at the money made and not shared with them.
ITA marsh!
I'm sure they'll have a big problem with the facts that are spelled out in the book ... just like they have a problem with them now! :sneaky:
Look how their People's Magazine interview backfired on them and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it, which pleases me no end

[♫Rock*Star♫]

it may depend on how we define "alarming". Every picture of Caylee Marie Anthony is alarming to me because her little life was taken so early.

The article made me wonder if Diane Fanning met up with the salon employee who claimed to have a photo of Caylee with bruises.

[crimeq]

Thanks Kat there has been so much info sometimes I forget. I wonder if the insurance company knew she was driving it? I heard she was mad because of the bill. Who knows.

"Mad because of the bill" has been discussed ad nauseum too, and is in George's LE statement.

[BettyC]

And I bet they still have them.....I would never want to see anything associated to my granddaughter missing and murdered....

These people are the pitts....

I think LE took at least the one with the duct tape on it.

I'll bet they don't even need that lock on the shed anymore.

[Scampi]

Maybe not, if you knew that the person did not actually exist.

Besides, Cindy had to leave the locks unchanged so that they could blame the imagi-nanny for coming back to get trash bags, duct tape, the laundry hamper, etc. found with Caylee's body. The same imagi-nanny who broke into the car while it was still in impound, and deposited human decomp residue along with one of Caylee's hairs with a death ring on it.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Oh wow, that's right!

[cassidy]

And I bet they still have them.....I would never want to see anything associated to my granddaughter missing and murdered....

These people are the pitts....

Not to worry, they got their gas cans back..then they were seized as evidence of course. They'll be returned after the trial. Caylee is gone forever though. uess they should have guarded her as well as they guarded the gas cans.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

I think LE took at least the one with the duct tape on it.

I'll bet they don't even need that lock on the shed anymore.


Not as long as their Casey is behind bars....:laugh:

[cassidy]

Oh wow, that's right!

but the death threats..from unnamed people. Those didn't make them change the locks either? They just stayed there like sitting ducks?

[marshmallow]

The article made me wonder if Diane Fanning met up with the salon employee who claimed to have a photo of Caylee with bruises.

You have a good memory, I'd forgotten those photos. Thank you for the reminder.

[court~critic1®]

Am wondering how many pages of tomorrows doc-dump we, the public, will actually get to read??? Remember the last thousand or so pages of docs, we didn't get to read but just a few. Also wonder what happened to those.

safe one all!

[Katprint]

Thanks Kat there has been so much info sometimes I forget. I wonder if the insurance company knew she was driving it? I heard she was mad because of the bill. Who knows.
IIRC from Cindy, George and the tow yard guy's recorded statements, Cindy started out mad about the fact that Casey had abandoned the car and not told them. Then Cindy became even more angry when she found out the size of the bill because the car had been in impound for so long (because they don't go through the front door so they didn't find the note saying they had to sign for the letter then it was a weekend and the post office wasn't open then they had to take time off work to go to the post office etc.) Then Cindy became almost uncontrollably outraged that she and George had make a second trip to the tow yard because they didn't bring some necessary document the first time.

IIRC Cindy left then George apologized to the tow yard guy for her behavior. Then George and the tow yard guy went out together into the lot and encountered the human decomp odor coming from Casey's car, and George said his thing about praying it wasn't Caylee's body making that smell and wanting the tow yard guy there while he opened the trunk, then George taking the bag of garbage and heaving it into the dumpster, etc.

Does anybody know where the first links #1 thread went? I wish it were on a sticky like the second links #2 thread.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[denjet]

I agree with the concept. However, I think that is where Cindy's story about "Casey is such a conscientious mother that she has an extra car key in her pocket in case she accidentally locks Caylee in the car with the keys" comes from. I think Cindy previously tried taking away Casey's car keys but Casey had made a duplicate set of car keys! Presumably Cindy would have been threatening to take away Casey's car keys before she did it, just like Cindy had been threatening to take custody of Caylee away from Casey, so Casey got a copy of the car key made just in case Cindy followed through on her threat to take away the car keys.

So, this would be another typical Anthony half-truth: Yes, Casey might have extra car keys in her pocket (or hidden elsewhere.) Not as an extra special child safety precaution, but just in case Cindy took away Casey's car keys in an effort to keep Casey from using the car.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: So, what Cindy would REALLY have to do is to have the car re-keyed, to keep Casey from taking it.

Or take the battery out of it temporarily until she could get it re-keyed !! You know just in case "someone" tried to take it ... :blink:

[♫Rock*Star♫]

You have a good memory, I'd forgotten those photos. Thank you for the reminder.

You're welcome. :)

That particular aspect of this case has stood out in my memory.

[ish]

I agree with the concept. However, I think that is where Cindy's story about "Casey is such a conscientious mother that she has an extra car key in her pocket in case she accidentally locks Caylee in the car with the keys" comes from. I think Cindy previously tried taking away Casey's car keys but Casey had made a duplicate set of car keys! Presumably Cindy would have been threatening to take away Casey's car keys before she did it, just like Cindy had been threatening to take custody of Caylee away from Casey, so Casey got a copy of the car key made just in case Cindy followed through on her threat to take away the car keys.

So, this would be another typical Anthony half-truth: Yes, Casey might have extra car keys in her pocket (or hidden elsewhere.) Not as an extra special child safety precaution, but just in case Cindy took away Casey's car keys in an effort to keep Casey from using the car.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: So, what Cindy would REALLY have to do is to have the car re-keyed, to keep Casey from taking it.

my bold

Quite possible, remember when they brought the car back from impound Cindy told LE they "took the battery out, just in case someone tried to take it" and when LE asked if by someone she meant Casey, Cindy said Oh it could be anybody, no one in particular.

[Aunt]

Am wondering how many pages of tomorrows doc-dump we, the public, will actually get to read??? Remember the last thousand or so pages of docs, we didn't get to read but just a few. Also wonder what happened to those.

safe one all!

Court critic, do you know if the media gets the documents today, or do they have to wait until tomorrow like us.

Thanks if you know.

[Aunt]

This murder trial should be starting about now, if you ask me.

Is it too late for them to plead to lesser charges or would those have to be offered by the State?

Will we SEE a trial in this case?

No wonder the Anthonys want to delay the murder trial, its SUCH a slam dunk for Caylee's justice, and the defense KNOWS it.

That is my opinion.

[court~critic1®]

Court critic, do you know if the media gets the documents today, or do they have to wait until tomorrow like us.

Thanks if you know.



I do not know this for a fact, so imo . The media will get them the day they are released. They only buy the ones they want. The media is the way we, the public, gets the docs. Unless someone in the public wants to pay for them to be printed. So we are at the mercy of the media.

[LadyHam]

I think you're right Kat. Add in cindy and george anthony's remark that they removed the car battery so "someone" didn't remove it from the garage, upon arriving home from the impound lot, and I'm sure you're right.

Bolding by me....

I guess it's a good thing for The Anthony's that Casey didn't keep a spare car battery in her pocket like she did a spare set of car keys, huh?:sneaky:

[Aunt]

I do not know this for a fact, so imo . The media will get them the day they are released. They only buy the ones they want. The media is the way we, the public, gets the docs. Unless someone in the public wants to pay for them to be printed. So we are at the mercy of the media.

Thanks so much for your reply.

I wonder how much the documents cost, would it be per page etc?

Has anyone here requested any documents in this case?

[denjet]

It will probably be more of the same. Thousands of papers takes a lot of time. They will probably only take what they think is interesting to the public. I wonder if they're going to air the trial?
That's not how it works, the full documents are available once they're released and the public can decide what they want to read or not .... I guess you probably didn't know that but a lot more information than what the media puts out can be had with a little bit of effort ... :wink:

[margaritaville]

Oh ya, that's why I'm so confused Casey did pay for the car but her parents refused to put it in her name.:angry:


I have never heard even Casey state that she "paid" for the car..Link please.....

She claimed her brother used it before she did...But nothing about her "paying" for it.... did she use monopoly money?

[denjet]

What conversation on this board hasn't been?
That's the way most of the forums about this case work ... as the months have gone by and more and more information has been disclosed it gives one a different perspective to go back thru early docs, videos and statements ... and I always pick something up that I missed or didn't think was important the first time around

[court~critic1®]

Thanks so much for your reply.

I wonder how much the documents cost, would it be per page etc?

Has anyone here requested any documents in this case?


In Calif. it was per page. Some of us posters went together to buy docs. on another case. I would think it is the same in Fla.


Egads, I hope this isn't o/t.

safe one!

[Katprint]

No links available because it isn't true. What would CAsey pay them with, the money she stole form them? LOL
I think the posting by Aunt "Don't you recall Casey paid for the car with her paycheques from Universal, along with diapers, insurance, gas, rent to her parents etc." was intended sarcastically and Legalmania took it literally despite the disclaimer "Oh ya, those were lies." It can be difficult to accurately perceive the intended "tone" of a written post. This is one of the reasons I refer to the imagi-nanny, imagi-job, imagi-paycheck etc. i.e. to clarify that those things DO NOT REALLY EXIST. That way nobody misunderstands that I am referring to a real nanny, real job, real paycheck or whatever.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[LadyHam]

Maybe not, if you knew that the person did not actually exist.

Besides, Cindy had to leave the locks unchanged so that they could blame the imagi-nanny for coming back to get trash bags, duct tape, the laundry hamper, etc. found with Caylee's body. The same imagi-nanny who broke into the car while it was still in impound, and deposited human decomp residue along with one of Caylee's hairs with a death ring on it.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Your post brings up a really good point to me, Katprint. If, as the defense proclaims, that Caylee's body was placed at the remains site after Casey was already in jail, then wouldn't that person that did dump the remains have to go back into the house sometime after July 15th or thereabouts after Casey was arrested, in order to get the items that were found w/Caylee's body? Unless of course that person had the presence of mind to take the duct tape, and trash bags, and laundry hamper, and winnie the pooh blanket, etc., when they kidnapped Caylee. Yeah, riiiiight. :sneaky: Just how would that person have gotten past all the protesters, LE, and media that was stationed outside of the Anthony family home?

[AbbyNormal]

In fact, wasn't there something about Caylee having made multiple copies of a key (I think this came from Amy?) -- a large number, like six or ten -- maybe Casey was storing keys with each of her friends, in case she ever needed a key.Hi Crime,
Storing keys for friends.....
Okay, not sure why I didn't think of this before, could they have been talking about ki's ? As in kilo's? (drugs)

[Aunt]

In Calif. it was per page. Some of us posters went together to buy docs. on another case. I would think it is the same in Fla.


Egads, I hope this isn't o/t.

safe one!

That is not off topic at all.

I appreciate the information.

I recall posters paying for documents in the Mike Peterson trial too, if Im not mistaken.

Per page would be costly.

example- .10 x 2000 = legal can do the math for us

[ish]

Bolding by me....

I guess it's a good thing for The Anthony's that Casey didn't keep a spare car battery in her pocket like she did a spare set of car keys, huh?:sneaky:

Mother of the Year you know, that title doesn't come easily:w00t:. Pulling that battery just reveals how well George and Cindy knew Casey and her ways.

I wonder if they will be asked about that when they testify.

[cassidy]

Hi Crime,
Storing keys for friends.....
Okay, not sure why I didn't think of this before, could they have been talking about ki's ? As in kilo's? (drugs)


That's alot of drugs and Casey had to steal her money. :shrug:

[Katprint]

Hi Crime,
Storing keys for friends.....
Okay, not sure why I didn't think of this before, could they have been talking about ki's ? As in kilo's? (drugs)
With Cindy talking about the extra car key Casey kept in her pocket, and Cindy and George pulling the car battery out of the car so that "someone" couldn't drive it away, and Cindy's 9-1-1 call to report Casey as having stolen the car (which directly implies Casey was driving the car without George and Cindy's permission), keys seems to fit known facts better than kilos.

Also, it is not unusual for people to give trusted friends/relatives copies of their house/car keys. Perhaps the majority of people have done it. It is much more unusual for people to store kilos of illegal drugs for their friends.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[martha]

Your post brings up a really good point to me, Katprint. If, as the defense proclaims, that Caylee's body was placed at the remains site after Casey was already in jail, then wouldn't that person that did dump the remains have to go back into the house sometime after July 15th or thereabouts after Casey was arrested, in order to get the items that were found w/Caylee's body? Unless of course that person had the presence of mind to take the duct tape, and trash bags, and laundry hamper, and winnie the pooh blanket, etc., when they kidnapped Caylee. Yeah, riiiiight. :sneaky: Just how would that person have gotten past all the protesters, LE, and media that was stationed outside of the Anthony family home?

ITA with you I don;t think anyone could have gotten in that house after july 15th it would have to have been a invisable nanny or something like that.will they say it was the nanny? the nanny no one has ever seen. jmho:wub:

[Aunt]

I think the posting by Aunt "Don't you recall Casey paid for the car with her paycheques from Universal, along with diapers, insurance, gas, rent to her parents etc." was intended sarcastically and Legalmania took it literally despite the disclaimer "Oh ya, those were lies." It can be difficult to accurately perceive the intended "tone" of a written post. This is one of the reasons I refer to the imagi-nanny, imagi-job, imagi-paycheck etc. i.e. to clarify that those things DO NOT REALLY EXIST. That way nobody misunderstands that I am referring to a real nanny, real job, real paycheck or whatever.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Oh! I will use this advice in the future, thank you Kat.

[jessie]

I agree with the concept. However, I think that is where Cindy's story about "Casey is such a conscientious mother that she has an extra car key in her pocket in case she accidentally locks Caylee in the car with the keys" comes from. I think Cindy previously tried taking away Casey's car keys but Casey had made a duplicate set of car keys! Presumably Cindy would have been threatening to take away Casey's car keys before she did it, just like Cindy had been threatening to take custody of Caylee away from Casey, so Casey got a copy of the car key made just in case Cindy followed through on her threat to take away the car keys.

So, this would be another typical Anthony half-truth: Yes, Casey might have extra car keys in her pocket (or hidden elsewhere.) Not as an extra special child safety precaution, but just in case Cindy took away Casey's car keys in an effort to keep Casey from using the car.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: So, what Cindy would REALLY have to do is to have the car re-keyed, to keep Casey from taking it. or they could just take the battery out of the car. If I am remembering correctly, did they not remove the battery when the car was in the their garage stinking to high heavens. They can think of things to do when they want to they just did not want to.

[AbbyNormal]

That's alot of drugs and Casey had to steal her money. :shrug:
Good point.

[AbbyNormal]

With Cindy talking about the extra car key Casey kept in her pocket, and Cindy and George pulling the car battery out of the car so that "someone" couldn't drive it away, and Cindy's 9-1-1 call to report Casey as having stolen the car (which directly implies Casey was driving the car without George and Cindy's permission), keys seems to fit known facts better than kilos.

Also, it is not unusual for people to give trusted friends/relatives copies of their house/car keys. Perhaps the majority of people have done it. It is much more unusual for people to store kilos of illegal drugs for their friends.

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsVery logical. I always appreciate your posts. Thank you.

[onlykaty]

You have a good memory, I'd forgotten those photos. Thank you for the reminder.


I thought I had read about everything that was out on this case but must of missed this one. Did anyone ever see the pic. and was this right after Caylee went missing? ( I mean when we were told she was missing),

[crimeq]

With Cindy talking about the extra car key Casey kept in her pocket, and Cindy and George pulling the car battery out of the car so that "someone" couldn't drive it away, and Cindy's 9-1-1 call to report Casey as having stolen the car (which directly implies Casey was driving the car without George and Cindy's permission), keys seems to fit known facts better than kilos.

Also, it is not unusual for people to give trusted friends/relatives copies of their house/car keys. Perhaps the majority of people have done it. It is much more unusual for people to store kilos of illegal drugs for their friends.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Hi Kat, I just love the "someone" comment, oh I don't know who might do it, just "someone", you never know. LOL

[BlueTurtle]

That is so true...If they all had a 1/4 of a brain, they should have done sometyhing to convince Casey to fess up and I believe the difference would have been Manslaughter vs murder one......out in 7 or LWOP/DP...Casey was 22 at the time, she would have gotten out by the time she was 29 and still had a life...but now it's too late for that....They all blew.....

One would have thought that any decent lawyer would have convinced her to do that.....but when these lawyers are looking for publicity, they thrive on the criminal that claims to be "not guilty"....

But Casey will get just what she deserves now.....DP/LWOP

If it hadn't have been for the duct tape, I think they might have encouraged her to spill it. She knew that if she gave up Caylee's location and they saw the duct tape, it would make it hard to see it as manslaughter.

[BettyC]

or they could just take the battery out of the car. If I am remembering correctly, did they not remove the battery when the car was in the their garage stinking to high heavens. They can think of things to do when they want to they just did not want to.

Yes they did jessie. But Cindy "didn't want to speculate" when asked who she thought might come and take the car.

[cassidy]

Hi Kat, I just love the "someone" comment, oh I don't know who might do it, just "someone", you never know. LOL

No kidding. We always take the batteries out of our cars when we park them in case the the elusive "someone" might stumble along and take them. Especially when parked in our garage.

Do they really think people will but this stuff?

JMO

[BettyC]

No kidding. We always take the batteries out of our cars when we park them in case the the elusive "someone" might stumble along and take them. Especially when parked in our garage.

Do they really think people will but this stuff?

JMO

Not only did people not buy it, her hesitancy at this point in the case to admit it was CASEY she was protecting the car from, raised my hinky meter on Cindy herself.

[onlykaty]

The A's are trying to sell alot of theories that have not one ounce of credibility in them..So yes, they think, we the people are very gullible...jmo

[jessie]

Yes they did jessie. But Cindy "didn't want to speculate" when asked who she thought might come and take the car. She sure doesnt mind speculating on who did the terminal event to Caylee though.

[denjet]

Your post brings up a really good point to me, Katprint. If, as the defense proclaims, that Caylee's body was placed at the remains site after Casey was already in jail, then wouldn't that person that did dump the remains have to go back into the house sometime after July 15th or thereabouts after Casey was arrested, in order to get the items that were found w/Caylee's body? Unless of course that person had the presence of mind to take the duct tape, and trash bags, and laundry hamper, and winnie the pooh blanket, etc., when they kidnapped Caylee. Yeah, riiiiight. :sneaky: Just how would that person have gotten past all the protesters, LE, and media that was stationed outside of the Anthony family home?
And your post brings up good points as well, Lady ...
I keep going back to the Winnie the Pooh blanket ... we know KC was going back to the house during the 31 days, but my question is WHEN did the blanket go missing ... I'm sure Cindy knows, maybe even George .... did KC have it with her prior to June 15th or did it go missing after .... could be one of the things we'll never know ...

[denjet]

or they could just take the battery out of the car. If I am remembering correctly, did they not remove the battery when the car was in the their garage stinking to high heavens. They can think of things to do when they want to they just did not want to.
Yes they did, jessie ... so "noone" could break into their garage and steal the one car that reeked to high heaven of decomp !!! Unbelievable ... almost as stupid as abandoning your car and hoping someone will steal it ignoring the smell and the flies ... it's hard to comprehend ..

[Katprint]

If it hadn't have been for the duct tape, I think they might have encouraged her to spill it. She knew that if she gave up Caylee's location and they saw the duct tape, it would make it hard to see it as manslaughter.
If she told an experienced, competent criminal defense attorney the whole truth at the beginning, that attorney would have been able to make the duct tape fit with manslaughter somehow. It could have been spun along the lines that Caylee was throwing a tantrum and Casey applied the duct tape to silence her (gross criminal negligence) but did not realize Caylee could not breathe adequately through her nose and thus accidentally smothered Caylee, which would support involuntary manslaughter. Alternatively it could have been characterized as evidence that Casey had mentally snapped and was acting irrationally, consistent with her predisposition towards mental deficits reflected in her failure to complete high school, her inability to keep a job, etc., which would support voluntary manslaughter.

Unfortunately for Casey, at this point I think the opportunity to plead to anything less than at least second degree murder is long gone.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[marshmallow]

If she told an experienced, competent criminal defense attorney the whole truth at the beginning, that attorney would have been able to make the duct tape fit with manslaughter somehow. It could have been spun along the lines that Caylee was throwing a tantrum and Casey applied the duct tape to silence her (gross criminal negligence) but did not realize Caylee could not breathe adequately through her nose and thus accidentally smothered Caylee, which would support involuntary manslaughter. Alternatively it could have been characterized as evidence that Casey had mentally snapped and was acting irrationally, consistent with her predisposition towards mental deficits reflected in her failure to complete high school, her inability to keep a job, etc., which would support voluntary manslaughter.

Unfortunately for Casey, at this point I think the opportunity to plead to anything less than at least second degree murder is long gone.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions




could the defense/Casey Marie Anthony, at an earlier point, have made a deal that allowed for a nonDP or a manslaughter charge in exchange for location of the body without disclosing the duct tape part before the deal was struck.

[Katprint]

could the defense/Casey Marie Anthony, at an earlier point, have made a deal that allowed for a nonDP or a manslaughter charge in exchange for location of the body without disclosing the duct tape part before the deal was struck.
Casey could have pled guilty to the First Degree Murder charge before the death penalty was added after the discovery of Caylee's body, without even disclosing where she put Caylee's body. At the arraignment where you enter a plea, you don't have to say, "not guilty." You can enter a guilty plea and then they set the matter for sentencing.

In all likelihood, she could have pled guilty to voluntary manslaughter in exchange for disclosing the location of Caylee's body.

These are only my opinions only, off the cuff, and other people's opinions may differ.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ttw]

The way I'll gage the accurracy of Diane Fannings' book is by how far the roof of the Anthony home blows up into the air. :laugh:

I'll bet we can all guess who filled DF in on Cindy's upbringing. She'll wish she hadn't been so mean to her siblings. :huh:

KittyMom,
I can't see the roof from here--I'm in Texas. Let me know how high it rises!:laugh:

[denjet]

If she told an experienced, competent criminal defense attorney the whole truth at the beginning, that attorney would have been able to make the duct tape fit with manslaughter somehow. It could have been spun along the lines that Caylee was throwing a tantrum and Casey applied the duct tape to silence her (gross criminal negligence) but did not realize Caylee could not breathe adequately through her nose and thus accidentally smothered Caylee, which would support involuntary manslaughter. Alternatively it could have been characterized as evidence that Casey had mentally snapped and was acting irrationally, consistent with her predisposition towards mental deficits reflected in her failure to complete high school, her inability to keep a job, etc., which would support voluntary manslaughter.

Unfortunately for Casey, at this point I think the opportunity to plead to anything less than at least second degree murder is long gone.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Hi Kat!
(bolding mine)
There's where KC made her first mistake ... although I truly believe if this scenario had been put to her early on she would have fired her/him and kept trying for one like Baez ... joke will be on her though, he will ride this case as long as possible and make as much as possible and won't lose a moments sleep when his client is found guilty JMO

[desmom]

More Casey Anthony documents expected to be released Tuesday
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-discovery-092809,0,305977.story

Anthony Book To Be Released; More Documents On Way
http://www.wesh.com/money/21134931/detail.html

New Info To Be Released In Casey Case
http://www.clickorlando.com/health/21139699/detail.html

[marshmallow]

More Casey Anthony documents expected to be released Tuesday
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-discovery-092809,0,305977.story

from the link
"The documents will include FBI lab reports on evidence collected from her home and woods where her daughter's remains were found in December."





and now I understand the defense's leak to Mr Pimptone for his article. They had to try to distract from what we will now hear/see.,

[Scampi]

Thank you Des, I think this is what we have been waiting for these long months.

[crimeq]

Hi Kat!
(bolding mine)
There's where KC made her first mistake ... although I truly believe if this scenario had been put to her early on she would have fired her/him and kept trying for one like Baez ... joke will be on her though, he will ride this case as long as possible and make as much as possible and won't lose a moments sleep when his client is found guilty JMO

I wonder if Casey will figure out that Jose is in this for himself only. I recall the way she looked at him in the last hearing, when reference was made to the 20-some cases he has taken on since becoming famous because of Casey. She looked shocked and not too happy; he's probably been telling her that he devotes ALL his time to her case.

[Sun]

I normally don't watch the Dr. Phil show, but today they seem to be covering quite a few parallels with the situation that Caylee was in. Young children, put in danger by their mom, and mostly raised by grandparents. Jail, lies, and children calling grandma, "mommy."

[Sun]

I wonder if Casey will figure out that Jose is in this for himself only. I recall the way she looked at him in the last hearing, when reference was made to the 20-some cases he has taken on since becoming famous because of Casey. She looked shocked and not too happy; he's probably been telling her that he devotes ALL his time to her case.

chuckles... I also thought that was a look of shock on her face. I suspect that Baez is holding back quite a lot of things from Casey. However, perhaps Lyon will right that wrong, and tell Casey what she is facing.

[BlueTurtle]

Casey could have pled guilty to the First Degree Murder charge before the death penalty was added after the discovery of Caylee's body, without even disclosing where she put Caylee's body. At the arraignment where you enter a plea, you don't have to say, "not guilty." You can enter a guilty plea and then they set the matter for sentencing.

In all likelihood, she could have pled guilty to voluntary manslaughter in exchange for disclosing the location of Caylee's body.

These are only my opinions only, off the cuff, and other people's opinions may differ.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I would agree that if she had a smart lawyer, this could have been done so she would have a chance to get out of prison at some point.

[crimeq]

I would agree that if she had a smart lawyer, this could have been done so she would have a chance to get out of prison at some point.

Her life is over, was over at 22. I've lived a long time since I was 22 and she will have all that long time of nothingness ahead of her. I cannot imagine spending all those years in prison.

I don't know if I prefer death or LWOP for Casey. I'm not sure which would make her more uneasy, and "uneasy" is what I wish for her.

[desmom]

Morning Martha. Isn't it strange, IF we believed Cindy's story that casey was going to stay with friends, that she didn't AT LEAST ask casey for phone #'s and addresses of these friends. Especially since George and Cindy have both stated casey had a new circle of friends they didn't know. Of course we know their statements make no sense so we have to wonder what they are trying to hide. It's quite clear casey did not walk out of that house on good terms.

ETA: We realize you've been away from the board a lot due to your hubby being ill, (hope he is doing better), so you probably missed the rule about only referring to the Anthony's by their full name. No abbreviations of any kind are allowed. Knowing you, I realize you meant no harm whatsoever. :wub:

BBM. (playing catch up)

I don't buy Cindy didn't know about Casey's new friends because we know Cindy monitored Casey's myspace pages. Myspace is how she found out about the Anything But Clothes Party when Casey said she was at work. Also Cindy said the reason she posted the poem about Caylee on July 3 was she was hoping Casey would put her on her myspace friends list.

jmo

[crimeq]

BBM. (playing catch up)

I don't buy Cindy didn't know about Casey's new friends because we know Cindy monitored Casey's myspace pages. Myspace is how she found out about the Anything But Clothes Party when Casey said she was at work. Also Cindy said the reason she posted the poem about Caylee on July 3 was she was hoping Casey would put her on her myspace friends list.

jmo

Des, I agree. And when she told Lee to go looking for Casey, she KNEW she was local.

She had to be delusional to think Casey would "friend" her mother on myspace, lol. Not in a million years.

[AbbyNormal]

I normally don't watch the Dr. Phil show, but today they seem to be covering quite a few parallels with the situation that Caylee was in. Young children, put in danger by their mom, and mostly raised by grandparents. Jail, lies, and children calling grandma, "mommy."
Thank you for posting this!

[LadyHam]

Her life is over, was over at 22. I've lived a long time since I was 22 and she will have all that long time of nothingness ahead of her. I cannot imagine spending all those years in prison.

I don't know if I prefer death or LWOP for Casey. I'm not sure which would make her more uneasy, and "uneasy" is what I wish for her.

I wonder if Casey still thinks she will somehow get out of this, or if reality has set in yet? I bet AL has set the record straight for her, but I wonder if Casey is understanding the serious trouble she is in? Wonder if JB is still making promises to Casey that he can't keep? If Casey still thinks she's going to get out of this, she is going to be in for a rude awakening when the verdict is read.

[crimeq]

I wonder if Casey still thinks she will somehow get out of this, or if reality has set in yet? I bet AL has set the record straight for her, but I wonder if Casey is understanding the serious trouble she is in? Wonder if JB is still making promises to Casey that he can't keep? If Casey still thinks she's going to get out of this, she is going to be in for a rude awakening when the verdict is read.

I think before Lyons, Casey truly believed that Jose would get her off. She wanted to get to the beach to work on her tan, remember :-)

Casey looked much more pensive in her last hearing and my bet is that's because of some truth-telling by Lyons, yet I think it would be very hard for Casey to acknowledge that she can't get away with this. She's still dreaming of and planning for her freedom, IMO.

[denjet]

from the link
"The documents will include FBI lab reports on evidence collected from her home and woods where her daughter's remains were found in December."

and now I understand the defense's leak to Mr Pimptone for his article. They had to try to distract from what we will now hear/see.,
Bingo! marsh! Interesting how this happens ... the defense leaks something or files something just prior to release of discovery ... mmmm ... hopefully the docs won't be text message or photobucket photos or stuff we've already seen ... we need fresh info !!! :biggrin:

[denjet]

I wonder if Casey still thinks she will somehow get out of this, or if reality has set in yet? I bet AL has set the record straight for her, but I wonder if Casey is understanding the serious trouble she is in? Wonder if JB is still making promises to Casey that he can't keep? If Casey still thinks she's going to get out of this, she is going to be in for a rude awakening when the verdict is read.
Judging by the defense's lame motions and attempts to go back to square one, I would say KC is scared, but still holding out for a mistrial ... or some other miracle ... IMO she still doesn't get it ...

[cassidy]

Judging by the defense's lame motions and attempts to go back to square one, I would say KC is scared, but still holding out for a mistrial ... or some other miracle ... IMO she still doesn't get it ...

Somehow I think that no matter what they (her attorney;s ) tell her, she is holding on tight to the thought that she will be free. IMO Jose is playing into that. I just don't think that Casey is the brightest star in the sky.

JMO

[crimeq]

Judging by the defense's lame motions and attempts to go back to square one, I would say KC is scared, but still holding out for a mistrial ... or some other miracle ... IMO she still doesn't get it ...

Yes, and she did use the word "mistrial", I believe, though I think she doesn't really know what that is. I think to her it means that the whole case is a "mistake" and will be thrown out, just like she was arrested "on a whim."

[Scampi]

Somehow I think that no matter what they (her attorney;s ) tell her, she is holding on tight to the thought that she will be free. IMO Jose is playing into that. I just don't think that Casey is the brightest star in the sky.

JMO

Surely Lyon has sat her down and explained how serious this is for her.

[crimeq]

Surely Lyon has sat her down and explained how serious this is for her.

I think so, and I think that's why we saw the more somber tone in the last hearing. I'm sure Lyons doesn't sugar-coat anything, but says straight out, I'm doing my best to get the death penalty off the table, but you're still looking at LWOP. This is YOU we're talking about, Casey.

[denjet]

Somehow I think that no matter what they (her attorney;s ) tell her, she is holding on tight to the thought that she will be free. IMO Jose is playing into that. I just don't think that Casey is the brightest star in the sky.

JMO
I think you're right, Cass ... not too bright at all or she would have come up with better lies ... take into account the ego and seldom being held accountable for her sins, I think she still holds out hope that her dream team can discredit the evidence and the agencies involved ... she's in for a very rude awakening

[cassidy]

Surely Lyon has sat her down and explained how serious this is for her.

I'm sure AL did sit her down and lay out the facts for her. But Jose probably said he'd get her off back at the beginning. IMO she is holding on to that. she's probably being somber because AL told her it didnt look so good to flirt with Jose in court .

JMO :)

[nana6]

Judging by the defense's lame motions and attempts to go back to square one, I would say KC is scared, but still holding out for a mistrial ... or some other miracle ... IMO she still doesn't get it ...

Hi, I wonder if her parents get it yet? They should be very worried for her as well as themselves I would think. As a parent, I would have been frantic knowing my child's attor. was Jose. Frantic!:sad:

[AbbyNormal]

Sometimes I am very tempted to write to her, to see if she'd write back.

Probably not because I wouldn't enclose any $$$ for her commissary account.

She probably wouldn't say anything of import anyway, she's certainly not going to admit to anything.

I'd like to know how she's finding jail these days, though. Nice and comfy, Casey?
I do feel a smidge of sympathy for Casey, but only because she was raised in the House of Anthony. (George M. Anthony is a volunteer, but the kids had no choice).

[denjet]

Hi, I wonder if her parents get it yet? They should be very worried for her as well as themselves I would think. As a parent, I would have been frantic knowing my child's attor. was Jose. Frantic!:sad:
Hi nana! Can you imagine having Jose as an attorney for anyone in your family ???? Yikes! I think the Anthonys are much more worried than their daughter is ... for her and themselves ... :scared:

[LadyHam]

Des, I agree. And when she told Lee to go looking for Casey, she KNEW she was local.

She had to be delusional to think Casey would "friend" her mother on myspace, lol. Not in a million years.

Bolding by me.....

Especially w/the particular message that Cindy wrote.:rolleyes:

[ish]

Hi Kat, I just love the "someone" comment, oh I don't know who might do it, just "someone", you never know. LOL

"someone" "just someone" like "someone took Caylee" or 'someone killed caylee' maybe "someone dumped Caylee's body' who do you mean "oh just someone"

I hope to hear in the future that "someone" got convicted and later that "someone" got executed.

Next story from Cindy will be that it wasn't "someone" it was "somebody"

Waiting for the doc dump tomorrow!!

[AbbyNormal]

Hi, I wonder if her parents get it yet? They should be very worried for her as well as themselves I would think. As a parent, I would have been frantic knowing my child's attor. was Jose. Frantic!:sad:They Anthony's seem to want the truth of what happened to die with Caylee. It's part of what makes all this so very tragic. jmo

[ish]

And your post brings up good points as well, Lady ...
I keep going back to the Winnie the Pooh blanket ... we know KC was going back to the house during the 31 days, but my question is WHEN did the blanket go missing ... I'm sure Cindy knows, maybe even George .... did KC have it with her prior to June 15th or did it go missing after .... could be one of the things we'll never know ...

I'll bet Cindy came home everyday and did an inventory of Caylee's things, Casey's things, the piggy bank and the fridge. With a follow up to her bank account and her credit cards. She new darn well casey was in and out of that house.

[Barbara fl.]

Yes, and she did use the word "mistrial", I believe, though I think she doesn't really know what that is. I think to her it means that the whole case is a "mistake" and will be thrown out, just like she was arrested "on a whim."


Your right, I think everytime she hears her lawyers talk about a mistrial, she takes it that a mistrial is something good for HER...all a mistrial will do is make it be done all over and she will remain in jail during that time...

But she's going to remain there in anycase...for ever and ever and ever...:thumbsup:

[Pruddennce]

And your post brings up good points as well, Lady ...
I keep going back to the Winnie the Pooh blanket ... we know KC was going back to the house during the 31 days, but my question is WHEN did the blanket go missing ... I'm sure Cindy knows, maybe even George .... did KC have it with her prior to June 15th or did it go missing after .... could be one of the things we'll never know ...

IMO, denjet, when Cindy had her 'excited utterance' during the search warrant, it was because SHE KNEW when it 'became missing'...therefore, it certainly wasnt prior to June 15th.

If it was, she could have clearly stated that. "Casey took it when she left'. That didnt happen. IMO.

Cindy avoided telling LE during her marathon interviews that Casey WAS local, she was coming and going from the home and that Lee validated she was local. Cindy didnt tell LE any of that.

but GA did. well at least he owned up to ONE visit back into the home. which IMO, Casey knew they were at the bank at a certain time (cashing their gov check per GA), and didnt expect GA home so early. Casey had no intentions, IMO of running into GA on June 24th.

Cindy knew from her 'sneaks' back into the home, that Casey wasnt taking clothes, shoes, or toys. Cindy A knew exactly when it was taken out of Caylee's room. You can be sure she checked that house every day after she left.

In fact she told Brittany S that she knew Casey was sneaking back into the house, and in fact, she said, Casey would 'bait' her out of the house.

Cindy stated ITS MISSING, which IMO translates into her having full knowledge of what she noticed was no longer in her room.

Cindy told LE 'what Casey told her', but she never told LE "WHAT I KNOW". she was covering for her.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[onlykaty]

Your right, I think everytime she hears her lawyers talk about a mistrial, she takes it that a mistrial is something good for HER...all a mistrial will do is make it be done all over and she will remain in jail during that time...

But she's going to remain there in anycase...for ever and ever and ever...:thumbsup:

ITA!!! I think Jose B. is filling Casey full of hopefulls that just isn't going to happen imo.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't have one bit of sympathy for Casey, I don't care if her parents beat her everyday and locked her in a closet thats no excuse for murdering a child, especially her own!! ...jmo



No sympathy here either....how can one claim that their parents are to blame for their behavior, while they, as a parent, are murdering their child? Does the rule of parenting only apply to their parents? What about themselves as parents?

No, I'm with you....no sympathy here....

[girlspell]

I'd say that destroyed heart image will set back the prosecution's case. No finger prints either. You would think the FBI would have thought of photographing the heart shape before trying to work on nonexistant fingerprints. :ohmy:

[TunaMelt]

BBM. (playing catch up)

I don't buy Cindy didn't know about Casey's new friends because we know Cindy monitored Casey's myspace pages. Myspace is how she found out about the Anything But Clothes Party when Casey said she was at work. Also Cindy said the reason she posted the poem about Caylee on July 3 was she was hoping Casey would put her on her myspace friends list.

jmo

And isn't that just pathetically laughable? They're playing MySpace and "friends lists" when a child lay rotting in the trunk of a car -- I think this family is evidence of a devolution in society.

I firmly believe the Anthony family as a whole and its individual members is evidence of the downward spiral of human behavior that we see way too much of, as evidenced by the increase in similar child homicide cases.

If the Anthony family is worth anything to anybody, it might be that behaviorists and doctors can study them and maybe just maybe come up with some clue, something small but something, that will let us understand what it is about the dysfunctional in our society that engenders more of the same.

It's awfully upsetting to realize that where there's one family like this, there are more and we don't know exactly WHY.

:mellow:

[Pruddennce]

I'll bet Cindy came home everyday and did an inventory of Caylee's things, Casey's things, the piggy bank and the fridge. With a follow up to her bank account and her credit cards. She new darn well casey was in and out of that house.

DITTO, ish. and we have a witness who told LE 'what Cindy told her' about baiting her out of the home.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[ish]

Your right, I think everytime she hears her lawyers talk about a mistrial, she takes it that a mistrial is something good for HER...all a mistrial will do is make it be done all over and she will remain in jail during that time...

But she's going to remain there in anycase...for ever and ever and ever...:thumbsup:

my bold

Casey feels that any word with a "mis" in it must be good for her. After all this is a family with a foundation of "mis"s, mistakes, misunderstandings, mistruths.:wink:

[onlykaty]

I'd say that destroyed heart image will set back the prosecution's case. No finger prints either. You would think the FBI would have thought of photographing the heart shape before trying to work on nonexistant fingerprints. :ohmy:

31 days before reporting missing and Cindy even had to do that, no NANNY, no job, stealing from friends and family, evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk of her car, as I have said before, I don't think they willl need a whole lot more..jmo

[Pruddennce]

I'd say that destroyed heart image will set back the prosecution's case. No finger prints either. You would think the FBI would have thought of photographing the heart shape before trying to work on nonexistant fingerprints. :ohmy:

IMO, what is more relevant is that tape was affixed to her mouth PRIOR TO DECOMPOSITION, per the ME. which doesnt necessarily mean she was alive, only that she was not in a decomposing mode.

however, inferrences can be drawn that it is highly probable it contributed to her 'terminal event'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[TunaMelt]

I'd say that destroyed heart image will set back the prosecution's case. No finger prints either. You would think the FBI would have thought of photographing the heart shape before trying to work on nonexistant fingerprints. :ohmy:

And I think you're wrong.

I think it's a tempest in a teapot sort of situation that the defense will try to make a big deal of, but when their dust settles, the jury will see that it was much ado about nothing much, not worth a hill of beans, and in the big picture, it will have the same effect as adding a half cup of water to Lake Michigan.

NBD.

No big deal.

[crimeq]

I'm sure AL did sit her down and lay out the facts for her. But Jose probably said he'd get her off back at the beginning. IMO she is holding on to that. she's probably being somber because AL told her it didnt look so good to flirt with Jose in court .

JMO :)

good grief, when she pulled that pen trick with Jose in a hearing, I thought even he was going to come unhinged. WHAT was she thinking?

[Barbara fl.]

my bold

Casey feels that any word with a "mis" in it must be good for her. After all this is a family with a foundation of "mis"s, mistakes, misunderstandings, mistruths.:wink:


Your right....:laugh:

[Scampi]

I'm just all atwitter knowing all that great parenting and *unconditional love* Casey Marie received growing up and continues to receive from Cynthia Marie and George A. Anthony is going to march her right to either the death chamber or cell block whatever for life.

Way to go, team. :thumbup:


I am very curious to see what Lyon does with the relationship of these people. She has been known to use anything in a defendant's early life as a means to remove the death penalty.

I wonder if cynthia marie anthony and george a. anthony and lee anthony have thought about this and the implications for them.

[crimeq]

They Anthony's seem to want the truth of what happened to die with Caylee. It's part of what makes all this so very tragic. jmo

yes, bury it and it will go away, a peculiar form of denial for them but also designed to get the heat off Casey, IMO.

[desmom]

Casey Anthony: A thousand pages of evidence coming Tuesday
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-at-least-a-thousand-pages-of-evidence-coming-tuesday.html

The state attorney's office on Tuesday will release 1,000 to 2,000 pages.........the material is likely to include the FBI's forensics reports.