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JD1974

09-24-2009, 08:15 AM

Here's hoping there is resolution to the mystery of Little Haleigh today.

Just a quick question. If Misty was at a party and taking Oxycondin, would that have still been in her system at the time LE arrived at the house?

JMO

Yes it would. But I doubt they tested her. I take Oxycodone, I leave mine locked in my safe because I have children. It also has a bitter taste to it if you don't get it down on the first swallow.

?noanswer

09-24-2009, 08:17 AM

Yes it would. But I doubt they tested her. I take Oxycodone, I leave mine locked in my safe because I have children. It also has a bitter taste to it if you don't get it down on the first swallow.

Could the presence be suspected by observing one's action?

JMO

tia marie

09-24-2009, 08:18 AM

Neves says her boyfriend paid for Misty's ticket to Orlando.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php

JD1974

09-24-2009, 08:21 AM

Could the presence be suspected by observing one's action?

JMO

Depends I think, I have seen videos of people using Ocycontin and they look strung out or like they have taken heroin, but it never does that to me. When I use it my pain just goes away...although when it is wearing off I do get really tired.

Motomom

09-24-2009, 08:25 AM

Depends I think, I have seen videos of people using Ocycontin and they look strung out or like they have taken heroin, but it never does that to me. When I use it my pain just goes away...although when it is wearing off I do get really tired.

Because you are using it the right way. If I'm not mistaken, they crush it when they are taking it for I guess..recreational use.. I'm sure some just swallow but crushing it makes it work faster or something like that.

I don't think Haleigh would have taken one though, so IMO something accidental like that isn't likely to happen IMO. Referring back to the letter JD, not anything you've said.

A.M.

09-24-2009, 08:25 AM

Neves says her boyfriend paid for Misty's ticket to Orlando.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php

What the heck does that even mean??

Lurken

09-24-2009, 08:27 AM

Neves says her boyfriend paid for Misty's ticket to Orlando.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php
If anyone saw Nancy Grace last night, Teresa Neves was a basket of nerves and crying a lot. Could she be coming to terms with the fact that Misty is somehow involved? I'll see if I can find the video clip somewhere.

Morning all!

ETA: Wait a minute. I read the link again. Nowhere in that link does it say Neves' boyfriend paid for the ticket to Orlando. I'm confused.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 08:30 AM

Because you are using it the right way. If I'm not mistaken, they crush it when they are taking it for I guess..recreational use.. I'm sure some just swallow but crushing it makes it work faster or something like that.

I don't think Haleigh would have taken one though, so IMO something accidental like that isn't likely to happen IMO. Referring back to the letter JD, not anything you've said.

If she would of taken it accidentally she would of spit it out, mine have a nasty taste and when I was actually on Oxycontin (only difference is there is tylenol mixed in) that tasted even worse if you didn't get it down right away.

Motomom

09-24-2009, 08:31 AM

If anyone saw Nancy Grace last night, Teresa Neves was a basket of nerves and crying a lot. Could she be coming to terms with the fact that Misty is somehow involved? I'll see if I can find the video clip somewhere.

Morning all!

I don't think she is coming to terms with anything just yet, but it's creeping up it seems. No amount of makeup can erase the pain on that womans face, it breaks my heart. All she had to listen to last night about everyone's theories, was heartwrenching. She's holding out hope that her baby girl is alive. If Misty is involved ( and I do think she is) and TN realizes that it is a fact, she's just gonna break I think.

Morning back atcha.

Psychologica

09-24-2009, 08:35 AM

Lurken

09-24-2009, 08:36 AM

I don't think she is coming to terms with anything just yet, but it's creeping up it seems. No amount of makeup can erase the pain on that womans face, it breaks my heart. All she had to listen to last night about everyone's theories, was heartwrenching. She's holding out hope that her baby girl is alive. If Misty is involved ( and I do think she is) and TN realizes that it is a fact, she's just gonna break I think.

Morning back atcha.
I think she's coming to terms with it, the fact that Misty is somehow involved. From the earlier link it says that Ron and Jr. were supposed to meet them at Universal, but he has since changed his mind. We shall see if he goes or not. JMO.

Does anyone know how to find the link to Teresa Neves from last night's show? I cried when I watched her. That poor woman. JMO.

Lurken

09-24-2009, 08:38 AM

Lurken

09-24-2009, 08:41 AM

ETA: Wait a minute. I read the link again. Nowhere in that link does it say Neves' boyfriend paid for the ticket to Orlando. I'm confused

It was easy to miss...last line:
Neves tells 97.3 The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets.
Welcome aboard (I forgot to say that).

Next time quote the person, delete the part you aren't trying to address, and when you start your response put

"snipped to address". Hope that made sense. Just trying to keep everyone out of trouble.

Lurken

09-24-2009, 08:56 AM

Here's the link I was looking for, provided by Lynn Gweenie on the links page. Bless her!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D--tFh5iBQ8

Hope it works.

Notice how much laundry is piled up on the washer/dryer. And Misty was doing laundry? JMO.

Motomom

09-24-2009, 09:00 AM

I think she's coming to terms with it, the fact that Misty is somehow involved. From the earlier link it says that Ron and Jr. were supposed to meet them at Universal, but he has since changed his mind. We shall see if he goes or not. JMO.

Does anyone know how to find the link to Teresa Neves from last night's show? I cried when I watched her. That poor woman. JMO.

check youtube dun, that's usually where they end up. I was choked up as well, her pain has always been so raw imo.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 09:02 AM

Yeah, IF she took it accidently she probably would have spit it out.

But if it was, I dunno, mixed in some food or in some other way administered to her...so she would go to sleep so certain people could get the heck out of that trailer and go join her friends at the 'party', because after all shes only 17 and doesn't know any better....:rolleyes:

All above JMO. Of course.

Oh she knows better. At 17 she knows she is doing something wrong. That is my point though I don't think Oxycontin could accidently be taken especially by a child when it tastes so nasty.

FrankieBones1

09-24-2009, 09:03 AM

Yes it would. But I doubt they tested her. I take Oxycodone, I leave mine locked in my safe because I have children. It also has a bitter taste to it if you don't get it down on the first swallow.

Don't most prescriptions taste vile for that very reason? I can't see a five year old child chewing something so bitter.

concerned

09-24-2009, 09:05 AM

I know I'm probably with a slight few, but I still believe most of Misty's account:chicken:. I think Haleigh was honestly taken from that house. I believe she was inconsistent in her story due to trying to hide the relationship (that has come to light of late) she had that weekend with this other guy...forgot his name. It's been 7 months for goodness sake, and the only person that has come forward to say that Misty wasn't home that night is her brother, whom in my opinion, AS WELL as Haleigh's own maternal grandma's, isn't trusted much. And the one thing that would change my mind is her phone records....i'm still sooo very puzzled why we do not know the results of her phone records by now. I have trouble believing that for some reason. I mean...this is the last person known to have seen Haleigh....they have to know by now...it does not take 7 months to get those records! If they had those records and she was anywhere but home, I think she would have been reeled in by now~ Why would she constantly say she was home if she knew her phone records would eventually show different? She would be making excuses of some kind as to why she might have left, etc. Gotta head to work,...be back later~:tongueside:

JD1974

09-24-2009, 09:05 AM

Don't most prescriptions taste vile for that very reason? I can't see a five year old child chewing something so bitter.

I think so! I know mine are all very nasty tasting. I also can't see a 5 year old chewing on one, wouldn't it make her vomit? I don't understand adults chewing on them, I would vomit if I had to.

FrankieBones1

09-24-2009, 09:08 AM

Motomom

09-24-2009, 09:09 AM

Oh she knows better. At 17 she knows she is doing something wrong. That is my point though I don't think Oxycontin could accidently be taken especially by a child when it tastes so nasty.

I agree. Not sure that food would hide that taste either.

Acey

09-24-2009, 09:10 AM

In case this wasn't previously posted, warrant on Lisa Croslin for forgery.

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch

luvmyboys

09-24-2009, 09:11 AM

good morning everyone! I predict that Misty is going down by this weekend! the doors are all closing in on her!! JMOO :thumbsup:

JD1974

09-24-2009, 09:14 AM

In case this wasn't previously posted, warrant on Lisa Croslin for forgery.

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch

Is that why they took off so quickly? Looks like the h ammer is coming down on the Croslins....

Edited because I forgot about the h a mmer icon.

Lurken

09-24-2009, 09:22 AM

In case this wasn't previously posted, warrant on Lisa Croslin for forgery.

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearchThanks for the link. It doesn't say when though. Gonna ask a dumb question so throw soft pillows. Is Lisa Misty's Mom?

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 09:23 AM

Is that why they took off so quickly? Looks like the h ammer is coming down on the Croslins....

Edited because I forgot about the h a mmer icon.

Oh for goodness sake...is there no one in that family that stays out of trouble?? :w00t:

Motomom

09-24-2009, 09:25 AM

Oh for goodness sake...is there no one in that family that stays out of trouble?? :w00t:

Well, LE knows where she is at. Will be interesting to see if they make an extra effort and pick her up.

Zeus

09-24-2009, 09:26 AM

What the heck does that even mean??

I think it means that the media that has been reporting for the past two days that Ronald and Misty had a huge fight, he threw her out and told her not to come back, she skipped town, LE is using GPS to find her---made all of that up. Are the people reporting information like this ever somewhat embarrassed that what they're reporting isn't true?

Acey

09-24-2009, 09:26 AM

Thanks for the link. It doesn't say when though. Gonna ask a dumb question so throw soft pillows. Is Lisa Misty's Mom?

I didn't see it listed approx. 10:30 last night.

Lurken

09-24-2009, 09:28 AM

Well, LE knows where she is at. Will be interesting to see if they make an extra effort and pick her up.

On what charge? I'm looking for a reason to have her brought in and held. JMO. Maybe then we can get the truth out of her. If she knows anything...... is leaving a child home alone enough to charge someone with something? I think so.

And the $70,000 reward. Surely, someone would speak up by now and collect the money.

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 09:31 AM

On what charge? I'm looking for a reason to have her brought in and held. JMO. Maybe then we can get the truth out of her. If she knows anything...... is leaving a child home alone enough to charge someone with something? I think so.

And the $70,000 reward. Surely, someone would speak up by now and collect the money.

We were talking about Lisa....not Misty

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 09:31 AM

http://www.bloggernews.net/122364

Lurken

09-24-2009, 09:39 AM

I wasn't kidding

I don't care who you are, how long you've been here or how many posts you have, if you just ignore my warnings and won't cooperate, you won't stay here either. How many times have you been told to stay on topic????

snipped to address: What is the topic? :confused: Are we allowed to bring our personal experiences here? Are we allowed to think, debate, discuss, and conjecture on where Haleigh is? If not, then what's the point of a message board? JMO.

summer4meplz

09-24-2009, 09:43 AM

Have the neighbors corroborated (sorry if it's misspelled) about misty's brother banging on the door at around 10 the night poor little Haleigh went missing....?

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 09:45 AM

Have the neighbors corroborated (sorry if it's misspelled) about misty's brother banging on the door at around 10 the night poor little Haleigh went missing....?

Haven't heard anything from them summer IMO

?noanswer

09-24-2009, 09:46 AM

Acey

09-24-2009, 09:50 AM

Tommy Croslin claims he went to 202 Green Lane approximately 9:45 - 10:00 on February 9th and banged on the door. The neighbors have been very observant and reported dogs barking and noises later that night.

Has anyone seen published articles including statements from neighbors that the neighbors heard barking dogs, saw Tommy walking through the neighborhood, his car at Haleigh's home, Tommy banging on the door, or hanging around the home around 9:30 - 10:30 that night?

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 09:50 AM

Lurken

09-24-2009, 09:52 AM

I agree ?no...what a mess. I do believe tho that LE has a pretty good idea of what happened and are trying to "push" ppl into finally talking.

IMO

I think the "fresh eyes" have been a good thing. Seems like we're learning much more about the past 7 months when things were heretofore kept mum. JMO.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 09:55 AM

Has anyone seen published articles including statements from neighbors that the neighbors heard barking dogs, saw Tommy walking through the neighborhood, his car at Haleigh's home, Tommy banging on the door, or hanging around the home around 9:30 - 10:30 that night?

Nothing about this is available at this time-

Texas48

09-24-2009, 09:56 AM

Don't most prescriptions taste vile for that very reason? I can't see a five year old child chewing something so bitter.
Morning to ya Franki and everyone...
Most ALL presc. DO taste bitter. Especially Pain meds....
IMO..IF HaLeigh had put one in her mouth and started to chew she would have spit it out and would have wanted something to drink because it does leave a terrible taste....
I just don't know what to believe anymore..and I can't begin to imagine what the families are going through...they hear all the *possiblities* just as we do and I know they are trying so hard to keep up the HOPE that little HaLeigh is alive and personally I would have the same HOPE if this was one of my babies/grandbabies. I would think that is the ONLY way to survive an ordeal like what they are going through...They have to hold onto HOPE FOR HALEIGH ....:wub:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

JD1974

09-24-2009, 09:59 AM

Even though she most likely would have spit a pill out after chewing, I wonder if that would be enough to have overdosed on?

msgatorslayer

09-24-2009, 10:00 AM

How will LE ever be able to sort out any information that is being given to them by all the people that are either in jail, on probation, been in jail, or warrants out for their arrest? This is a total mixed up group of people. I doubt if any of them would have any trouble telling a mistruth. JMO

I hear ya!! Without some sort of concrete proof it will be hard to weed through what all these people say. It's even harder when they've waited months to come foward with information.

In Nay-Nay's letter she says LE got her car from the dump to do some CSI testing. I wish we knew for fact if this is true or not and when it happened. Why her car was in the 'dump' to begin with.

I just can't take these people words at face value. Cause I question if they have some sort of deal with LE.

If LE thinks that Misti knows something and are zeroing in on her friends to try and get someone to talk, all it takes is for one or two people to get word out that LE thinks this, or that. That one guy is saying it's Oxi OD, that a car is being inspected, etc, and people will start to get nervous if they do know anything or helped in anyway. JMO

Lurken

09-24-2009, 10:00 AM

I lit my candle. Hope I'm not off topic. :sad:

Texas48

09-24-2009, 10:00 AM

Thank you for posting the *Reminder* for all of us CW.....

Lurken

09-24-2009, 10:06 AM

Even though she most likely would have spit a pill out after chewing, I wonder if that would be enough to have overdosed on?

I don't believe the oxycontin theory. Dr. Perpar said last night on NG that one pill, depending on the MGs, would not be enough to OD a 30-40-50 lb child. No one aka Misty seems to know how much she weighed. JMO.

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 10:07 AM

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 10:07 AM

Does anybody know what TN meant by this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

(last night's show)

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH`S PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: He has been questioned, Miss Nancy. He gave them information the night -- or the morning that this happened. And they`re not questioning him now, you know?

GRACE: Yes. I understand. Ms. Neves, at one point, I recall that Junior, the little brother, had stated that there were other people in the home that evening. What do you recall about his statement?

NEVES: Junior`s initial statement to the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, I believe was what they said.

GRACE: Yes.

NEVES: And then it changed, you know? But he didn`t change it. Other people changed it.

Was the "man in black" story told to police on the night of 2/9? IIRC, GGSykes said it was a "crock".

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 10:09 AM

I don't believe the oxycontin theory. Dr. Perpar said last night on NG that one pill, depending on the MGs, would not be enough to OD a 30-40-50 lb child. No one aka Misty seems to know how much she weighed. JMO.

Not what he said Dunnie

GRACE: But from one pill, could a child 39 pounds overdose, Doctor?

PERPER: Probably from one or two pills, she could have died. And it`s possible that children sometimes think that that`s candy, and we see sometimes accidental death in those cases, unless somebody gave her intentionally the pill, which I don`t think it would be very likely.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

TobyWong

09-24-2009, 10:09 AM

CANDYKISSES

09-24-2009, 10:11 AM

JD1974

09-24-2009, 10:13 AM

I don't believe the oxycontin theory. Dr. Perpar said last night on NG that one pill, depending on the MGs, would not be enough to OD a 30-40-50 lb child. No one aka Misty seems to know how much she weighed. JMO.

Oh I thought he said it would be enough? I am not sure I buy this theory either. Only problem is why would this guy out of the blue state that's what happened? AFAIK he isn't in trouble and trying to get out of it so I don't know why he would come out and say that's what happened KWIM?

Texas48

09-24-2009, 10:14 AM

I think it means that the media that has been reporting for the past two days that Ronald and Misty had a huge fight, he threw her out and told her not to come back, she skipped town, LE is using GPS to find her---made all of that up. Are the people reporting information like this ever somewhat embarrassed that what they're reporting isn't true?
LOL Zeus...with ALL the reporting about Ron and Misty having an argument...Ron throwing Misty's clothes out in the street..Ron going after Misty and gets her to come back to the house and then the reporter can't say what the argument was about but can say *It wasn't pretty*..............My question is....where are the photos of this Fight.? IF someone was close enough to witness all this then they were close enough to take pictures...IMO...who are the *sources? The reporters don't seem to be shy putting all this *out there* then they shouldn't be shy to say where they got the info from...I learning to dislike the word..*sources*....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/22/ng.01.html

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 10:14 AM

Oh I thought he said it would be enough? I am not sure I buy this theory either. Only problem is why would this guy out of the blue state that's what happened? AFAIK he isn't in trouble and trying to get out of it so I don't know why he would come out and say that's what happened KWIM?

He is in a lot of trouble with the law so maybe trying to make a deal with the DA???

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 10:16 AM

Lurken

09-24-2009, 10:16 AM

Not what he said Dunnie

GRACE: But from one pill, could a child 39 pounds overdose, Doctor?

PERPER: Probably from one or two pills, she could have died. And it`s possible that children sometimes think that that`s candy, and we see sometimes accidental death in those cases, unless somebody gave her intentionally the pill, which I don`t think it would be very likely.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

I think we're saying the same thing, me and Perper. Who would have intentionally given a child oxy? If someone did, it's premeditated murder. JMO. How big is the pill? What MG are the pills? There are so many unanswered questions it's not surprising LE doesn't have the answers.

I've never seen an oxycontin pill, so I don't know how big they are. JMO.

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 10:18 AM

Good Morning All! No way do I believe that low level drug abusers would give up one of their pills to drug up the kids. IMO they would use benedryl or valuim(sp?) No way would the kids chew them either. Also I don't think ron asked timmy to go to the mh that night. We have'nt been told who ron talked to, it might have been timmy's wife and she called tim's cell and let him know ron was looking for misty. If misty told ron that timmy wanted her to babysit (a lie to be able to leave the mh) and after her long weekend he said no way. Maybe he was just checking to see if she disobeyed him and went anyway but after talking to someone at tim's house he felt ok that she was at home just not picking up his calls. I mean who would ever think at the end of the night you'd come home to a child gone?! IDK JMO

If Misty was affraid to leave the children home alone and she took them with her, but didn't want them to reveal to their dad where they were then it is very possible that they were both given something to make them sleep thru it....However, Haleigh did have medical problems and what ever she may have been given could have put her unconscience and everyone panicked and thought she may have died....

This crowd is not the smartest of crowds, and yes it could very well have happened and then she staged the break in....

I find it so hard to believe that someone who was coming into a home to take a child would put a light on, (even any of them)..it doesn't make sense....

I am prone to go along with the new theory.....

CANDYKISSES

09-24-2009, 10:18 AM

LOL Zeus...with ALL the reporting about Ron and Misty having an argument...Ron throwing Misty's clothes out in the street..Ron going after Misty and gets her to come back to the house and then the reporter can't say what the argument was about but can say *It wasn't pretty*..............My question is....where are the photos of this Fight.? IF someone was close enough to witness all this then they were close enough to take pictures...IMO...who are the *sources? The reporters don't seem to be shy putting all this *out there* then they shouldn't be shy to say where they got the info from...I learning to dislike the word..*sources*....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/22/ng.01.html

I'm skeptical about this Tex. It seems just as likely they could have been planning this getaway and were trying to throw the followers off, especially given the kissing video which would have been the next day. Just speculating, but I really do wonder if they weren't trying to get away without anyone following them. After all the plan is alleged to have been Universal Studios for the three of them, right? :confused: or not and JMO.:w00t:

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 10:19 AM

I think we're saying the same thing, me and Perper. Who would have intentionally given a child oxy? If someone did, it's premeditated murder. JMO. How big is the pill? What MG are the pills? There are so many unanswered questions it's not surprising LE doesn't have the answers.

I've never seen an oxycontin pill, so I don't know how big they are. JMO.

I think most are surmising that it was accidental(Haleigh picked it up at the party and took it)....not that someone gave her the pill. But...I also agree that the taste would stop her from eating it IMO

titanfan217

09-24-2009, 10:21 AM

Does anybody know what TN meant by this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

(last night's show)

Was the "man in black" story told to police on the night of 2/9? IIRC, GGSykes said it was a "crock".

Even TN and GGMS can't agree. Then again, isn't this the first time that anyone in the family said that Jr. told LE that story in the beginning? Before it was Crystal made it up or put the story in his head.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 10:21 AM

He is in a lot of trouble with the law so maybe trying to make a deal with the DA???

You can only make a deal if what you say is the truth, or at least if they can use what you are saying to nail someone else for a crime...isn't that how it works? If he is lying they won't make a deal with him because he is useless to them.

FrankieBones1

09-24-2009, 10:22 AM

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 10:22 AM

Not what he said Dunnie

GRACE: But from one pill, could a child 39 pounds overdose, Doctor?

PERPER: Probably from one or two pills, she could have died. And it`s possible that children sometimes think that that`s candy, and we see sometimes accidental death in those cases, unless somebody gave her intentionally the pill, which I don`t think it would be very likely.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

Right, but there is a world of difference between a 10mg pill and a 80 mg and they come in all different strengths- Nancy should have asked him about dosage- My big problem with this theory, other than who it is coming from, is that I dont believe that a bunch of people just shut up and are covering for whoever when a 70k payday is on the line- it would have only been one persons pills- if someone was just an observer of all this, why wouldn't they go to cops? Does anyone think the cops would not give immunity to someone who knows the girls whereabouts and the events of her death? I think they would- so this makes no sense to me at all-

jmo

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 10:24 AM

You can only make a deal if what you say is the truth, or at least if they can use what you are saying to nail someone else for a crime...isn't that how it works? If he is lying they won't make a deal with him because he is useless to them.

Yes...you are correct but this isn't exactly a stellar guy....wouldn't surprise me in the least if gave it a try IMO

FrankieBones1

09-24-2009, 10:25 AM

I sure sounds that way. Not one of these people know the meaning of the word truth imvho. This is why LE hasn't been able to get anywhere and their unwillingness to be forthcoming is why I have no sympathy for them.

MOAre you saying that Annette Sykes and Teresa Neves are both liars?

JD1974

09-24-2009, 10:26 AM

There is a huge difference between pill strengths Viva, I wish we knew what other details Joe gave to LE. Also, no one may want to take the payday because they are afraid they will be charged with a crime for just being there and using the pills to begin with.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 10:27 AM

Yes...you are correct but this isn't exactly a stellar guy....wouldn't surprise me in the least if gave it a try IMO

True, he may have thrown it out there because he knows some of the people involved and knows what they are into...may have been an educated guess on his part....

Lurken

09-24-2009, 10:30 AM

Right, but there is a world of difference between a 10mg pill and a 80 mg and they come in all different strengths- Nancy should have asked him about dosage- My big problem with this theory, other than who it is coming from, is that I dont believe that a bunch of people just shut up and are covering for whoever when a 70k payday is on the line- it would have only been one persons pills- if someone was just an observer of all this, why wouldn't they go to cops? Does anyone think the cops would not give immunity to someone who knows the girls whereabouts and the events of her death? I think they would- so this makes no sense to me at all-

jmoThat chick Nay-Nay seems to think she knows everything. She's the one who brought up the Oxycontin in her "intercepted" letter. JMO.

Trust me, you cannot get a child to take medicine unless it tastes good except if you shove it down their throat and force them to swallow it. And that takes more than one person. JMO.

Motomom

09-24-2009, 10:31 AM

Zeus

09-24-2009, 10:34 AM

LOL Zeus...with ALL the reporting about Ron and Misty having an argument...Ron throwing Misty's clothes out in the street..Ron going after Misty and gets her to come back to the house and then the reporter can't say what the argument was about but can say *It wasn't pretty*..............My question is....where are the photos of this Fight.? IF someone was close enough to witness all this then they were close enough to take pictures...IMO...who are the *sources? The reporters don't seem to be shy putting all this *out there* then they shouldn't be shy to say where they got the info from...I learning to dislike the word..*sources*....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/22/ng.01.html

The link on the previous page says their source was 'unconfirmed rumors.' That must be a step down from just a plain old rumors in the reporting business.

titanfan217

09-24-2009, 10:47 AM

That chick Nay-Nay seems to think she knows everything. She's the one who brought up the Oxycontin in her "intercepted" letter. JMO.

Trust me, you cannot get a child to take medicine unless it tastes good except if you shove it down their throat and force them to swallow it. And that takes more than one person. JMO.

If NN wasn't there, she sure knew alot about "what happened".

Mel

09-24-2009, 10:47 AM

Neves says her boyfriend paid for Misty's ticket to Orlando.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php

Neves tells 97.3 The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets.

could this get any more kookoo???

Lynn Gweeny

09-24-2009, 10:49 AM

Does anybody know what TN meant by this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

(last night's show)

NEVES: Junior`s initial statement to the law enforcement was that he saw a man in black, I believe was what they said.

GRACE: Yes.

NEVES: And then it changed, you know? But he didn`t change it. Other people changed it.

Was the "man in black" story told to police on the night of 2/9? IIRC, GGSykes said it was a "crock".

TN could possibly be referring to the following, according to the dates that the information was released:

Tuesday, February 24, 2009
"When I see him [Haleigh's brother], all he said is, 'I want to find my sissy,' and he said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said, according to Central Florida News 13.
"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html

March 17, 2009
SHEFFIELD: Well, at first he did say it was a man dressed in black. And then I asked him the following -- the two weeks later when I got him again I asked him about it. But I didn`t want to question him about it, because I know it`s hard on him enough. And I asked him about it and I was, like, "What about the black -- the person dressed in black." And he said it was a black man dressed in black, and he had squeaky shoes. And the I`m not lying. I have no reason to lie.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ijvm.01.html

March 30, 2009
SHEFFIELD: And I asked him about it. And I was like, what about the black -- the person dressed in black. He said it was a black man dressed in black and he had squeaky shoes, and the couch was bouncing. And that`s just what he told me. And I`m not lying, and I have no reason to lie.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/30/ijvm.01.html

Regarding GGma Sykes making the comment 'it's a crock', that was in answer to a question by a reporter regarding Misty not being home that night.

@00:35 in the video
http://www.wftv.com/video/18748628/index.html

"That's a crock. I went by the house that night. I know. She was there," Annette Sykes said. "I went by around 7."
http://www.wesh.com/news/18743397/detail.html

Lurken

09-24-2009, 10:50 AM

Snipped and bolded by me

One can always crush it and put it in a strong-flavored drink, such as OJ. And maybe say, "Oh, it tasted yucky, honey? Here, wash it down with this water."

If we can ever find Haleigh, and if anyone did that to her, it's murder! Have you noticed Misty's pupils in the initial interview? They aren't dialated like pinpoints, they are huge. I keep looking at that link. As they say, the eyes are the opening to the soul, or something like that.

If this girl Nay-Nay knows someone gave Haleigh Oxycontin or even if Oxy was at the party that night..... something is up. Does Nay-Nay know Haleigh was at a party?

Unfortunately, the transcript of the letter got "tossed" so I don't have the link. JMO.

titanfan217

09-24-2009, 10:51 AM

Neves tells 97.3 The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets.

could this get any more kookoo???

Believe we said something similiar about 6 months ago, and look where we are now.

Mel

09-24-2009, 10:52 AM

If anyone saw Nancy Grace last night, Teresa Neves was a basket of nerves and crying a lot. Could she be coming to terms with the fact that Misty is somehow involved? I'll see if I can find the video clip somewhere.

Morning all!

ETA: Wait a minute. I read the link again. Nowhere in that link does it say Neves' boyfriend paid for the ticket to Orlando. I'm confused.

someone brought it to my attention last night...not one single time did Neves wipe her face with a tissue or her hand...not once...during a close up, which i watched again during the repeat, there were no tears going down her face at all...

Lurken

09-24-2009, 10:56 AM

IMO Dr Perper engages in quite a bit of conjecture with his answers sometimes. Maybe he doesn't understand what point Nancy is trying to drive home, sometimes? And I think NG says Dr Perpers name twice on purpose, which I always get such a kick out of.

"Tonight we have blah blah blah Broward County M.E., Dr Perper. Dr Perper, blah blah blah."

:smile:

That's all he has is conjecture, just like the rest of us. We don't have a body, we don't know if Haleigh is alive and well or not. I tend to think not. JMO.

Mel

09-24-2009, 10:56 AM

Does anybody know what TN meant by this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

(last night's show)

Was the "man in black" story told to police on the night of 2/9? IIRC, GGSykes said it was a "crock".

right, & Ronald called the story "garbage" when asked about it on...i THINK GMA??...not sure which interview

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 10:56 AM

i'm bumfuzzled....TN still taking up for Misty...amazing!!

Yet, Mistys own mother, the one who is seen brushing tears from her daughters face in earlier interviews does not believe Misty is being truthful, yet Ronald mother thinks she is-

jmo

KittyMom

09-24-2009, 10:58 AM

ClimbingRose

09-24-2009, 10:59 AM

I sure sounds that way. Not one of these people know the meaning of the word truth imvho. This is why LE hasn't been able to get anywhere and their unwillingness to be forthcoming is why I have no sympathy for them.

MO

And this is why I believe after seven months Haleigh has still not been found.

IMO
ClimbingRose

KittyMom

09-24-2009, 11:03 AM

I think most are surmising that it was accidental(Haleigh picked it up at the party and took it)....not that someone gave her the pill. But...I also agree that the taste would stop her from eating it IMO

If she were drinking juice or soda would that be enough to mask the taste? I've never taken Oxycontin so I've no idea of the taste. Also, I've read that it is smashed up to improve the rush. Is it mixed with anything?

Tracian

09-24-2009, 11:04 AM

Yet, Mistys own mother, the one who is seen brushing tears from her daughters face in earlier interviews does not believe Misty is being truthful, yet Ronald mother thinks she is-

jmo

Yet, the Croslin's supposedly had information that Misty was not home that night, and instead of going to LE, or trying to get Misty to tell them the truth, they stayed silent, stood behind her, and her lies; until of course Misty started 'remembering' something about her brother.

KittyMom

09-24-2009, 11:06 AM

That chick Nay-Nay seems to think she knows everything. She's the one who brought up the Oxycontin in her "intercepted" letter. JMO.

Trust me, you cannot get a child to take medicine unless it tastes good except if you shove it down their throat and force them to swallow it. And that takes more than one person. JMO.

The only exception I've found to that is if the child has been sick all his/her short life and is accustomed to taking meds.

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:06 AM

CANDYKISSES

09-24-2009, 11:07 AM

omgoshI was saying that in my head and typed timmy. Sorry sorry.

No reason to be sorry Toby, it gets confusing at times. There has also been something out there about Misty having phone contact with Timmy in the early morning hours on 02/10/09 prior to calling 911 too IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. :scared: JMO

Blackwatch

09-24-2009, 11:07 AM

Neves says her boyfriend paid for Misty's ticket to Orlando.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php

I'm new here but, as far as I'm concerned, there is something very strange about that picture.

My opinion only

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:08 AM

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:09 AM

If she were drinking juice or soda would that be enough to mask the taste? I've never taken Oxycontin so I've no idea of the taste. Also, I've read that it is smashed up to improve the rush. Is it mixed with anything?

I don't know about being mixed with anything. I do know that it tastes pretty nasty and at the time I got actual Oxycontin instead of Oxycodone I was only on 5 mg dose. It was a round white pill, kind of big.

Now when I watched people on the internet they were actually using needles to inject the Oxycontin, really freaked me out how they had that kind of reaction to the meds I was on, but I don't crush mine nor inject it so I am not sure what they do to it before they take it.

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:09 AM

Even TN and GGMS can't agree. Then again, isn't this the first time that anyone in the family said that Jr. told LE that story in the beginning? Before it was Crystal made it up or put the story in his head.

That's the first time I've seen where TN said anything about a "man in black". Ron claimed it was something "Crystal and Geraldo" came up with. GGSykes said Jr. never said anything like that.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:09 AM

Yet, the Croslin's supposedly had information that Misty was not home that night, and instead of going to LE, or trying to get Misty to tell them the truth, they stayed silent, stood behind her, and her lies; until of course Misty started 'remembering' something about her brother.

Right, and then we have Ronald who did numerous interviews on TV and never once mentioned that he called 20 times that night trying to find his babysitter, and he never once mentioned he called the brothers home asking for her, and at that time Haleigh was supposedly in bed- I am more concerned about those actions than a brother not wanting to get his sister in trouble-

jmo

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:11 AM

I'm new here but, as far as I'm concerned, there is something very strange about that picture.

My opinion only

You may be new, but you're not alone with your thoughts about that.

Tracian

09-24-2009, 11:11 AM

Right, and then we have Ronald who did numerous interviews on TV and never once mentioned that he called 20 times that night trying to find his babysitter, and he never once mentioned he called the brothers home asking for her, and at that time Haleigh was supposedly in bed- I am more concerned about those actions than a brother not wanting to get his sister in trouble-

jmo

Again, if one believe's HankJR.

What Ron did or did not tell the media is not the issue; we don't know what he told LE; and still to this day LE has said nothing about Ron being inconsistant.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:11 AM

i don't know how he can say that...there are diff mgs of Oxycontin...a high mg tablet could kill her, imo....

I think they are from 5mg to 80mg? Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think the higher mg pills are time released? When you hit a certain mg they are no longer instant release IIRC.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:14 AM

Again, if one believe's HankJR.

What Ron did or did not tell the media is not the issue; we don't know what he told LE; and still to this day LE has said nothing about Ron being inconsistant.

I believe the phone records that exist that has Ron calling the brother after 9pm that night- I think its a huge deal that Ron was misleading the public, and I am not alone-

jmo

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:17 AM

I believe the phone records that exist that has Ron calling the brother after 9pm that night- I think its a huge deal that Ron was misleading the public, and I am not alone-

jmo

I only care about what Ron told LE, now if he didn't tell LE I would have a huge problem with that.

KatieLady

09-24-2009, 11:18 AM

I only care about what Ron told LE, now if he didn't tell LE I would have a huge problem with that.

Same here JD.....and we have no idea IMO

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:18 AM

I'm new here but, as far as I'm concerned, there is something very strange about that picture.

My opinion only

welcome, & you're not the only one that thinks this! :seeya:

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:18 AM

80mg is the highest single-pill dosage of oxycontin.

They actually come in 160mg dosages-
http://www.drugbuyers.com/oxycontin/

jmo

seeker

09-24-2009, 11:20 AM

I don't believe the oxycontin theory. Dr. Perpar said last night on NG that one pill, depending on the MGs, would not be enough to OD a 30-40-50 lb child. No one aka Misty seems to know how much she weighed. JMO.
In the middle of a horrible thought, you have lightened the mood; not only that you could be right on::laugh:

my opinion

Motomom

09-24-2009, 11:21 AM

Again, if one believe's HankJR.

What Ron did or did not tell the media is not the issue; we don't know what he told LE; and still to this day LE has said nothing about Ron being inconsistant.

I agree with you Tracian and IMO JR was put at risk when Crystal first repeated that he told LE that. Of course the cummings denied it, to the media. Who would want it out that their 4 yr old possibly knows who is involved, or at least what they looked like or were wearing? When nobody knows exactly what went down. I believe that is why it was kept so hush hush, that is why it was denied by the Cummings IMO

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:21 AM

80mg is the highest single-pill dosage of oxycontin.

Thank you, that is what I thought. I can't even imagine taking an 80 mg Oxycodone that would be like taking 6 of mine all at once...holy cow! I never really thought about it that way until now, no wonder those people look so messed up on youtube.

Could an 80mg Oxycontin cause a child that is around 40 lbs to overdose?

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:22 AM

I think they are from 5mg to 80mg? Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think the higher mg pills are time released? When you hit a certain mg they are no longer instant release IIRC.

they go as high as 160 mgs

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:23 AM

They actually come in 160mg dosages-
http://www.drugbuyers.com/oxycontin/

jmo

Wow I didn't they came that high? That is crazy. Can people actually get a prescription for those or are those only the kind you can get in the hospital?

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:25 AM

LE hasn't said a lot of things. They're not obligated to keep the public informed about what they think of Ron's inconsistancies, or anyone else's.

MO

Can one have inconsistencies when they've cut off all communication with LE?

I would like to know if Ron told LE - prior to the phone records being received - that he called Tommy's house to see if Misty was there. At 9 o'clock, on a school night, when Haleigh should have been in bed. If he did, then he at least at the suspicion that Misty was not at home. If he didn't, that's big too.

And if he thought Misty might be at Tommy's, where did he think his children were?

Texas48

09-24-2009, 11:27 AM

I don't believe the oxycontin theory. Dr. Perpar said last night on NG that one pill, depending on the MGs, would not be enough to OD a 30-40-50 lb child. No one aka Misty seems to know how much she weighed. JMO.
You may have misunderstood what Dr. Perpar said Lurken...here is the link..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

PERPER: Probably from one or two pills, she could have died.

FrankieBones1

09-24-2009, 11:28 AM

Does anybody know what TN meant by this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

(last night's show)

Was the "man in black" story told to police on the night of 2/9? IIRC, GGSykes said it was a "crock".

That is from two totally different times. Annette Sykes wasn't even refering to that when she said it was a crock. Two different times.

FrankieBones1

09-24-2009, 11:28 AM

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:29 AM

they go as high as 160 mgs

I seen that, the difference in what I take and Oxycontin seems to be the time release and the acetometaphine <sp> mine doesn't have the Tylenol added to it and mine isn't time released. So that's why they are crushed or injected, it gets rid of the time-release function of the pill?

Texas48

09-24-2009, 11:29 AM

Didn't Dr. Perper say that one or two pills would be fatal to a child that size?
Yes...you are correct Franki,

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:29 AM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php

Misty was indeed in Orlando with the intent to visit Universal Studios according to her attorney and according to her mother-in-law Teresa Neves. Ronald and his son Junior were to meet up with Misty in Orlando today, but things changed after the media discovered their plans and made them public.

Misty is expected home today .

Neves tells 97.3 The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets.

seeker

09-24-2009, 11:29 AM

Does anybody know what TN meant by this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

(last night's show)

Was the "man in black" story told to police on the night of 2/9? IIRC, GGSykes said it was a "crock".

Wow, seeing that exchange in writing makes it even less comprehensible. It seems that Ron doesn't believe that story; in one interview he said it was a story Crystal and Geraldo made up. (I will post the link if requested) What?

If Sykes was allowed to stay with Jr. that early morning (when HaLEigh disappeared) during questioning, she must have told Ron and Teresa what the little boy said. For whatever reason, Annette Sykes and Ronald Cummings want that story discredited.

I don't see Teresa Neves as a woman who leads, but one who follows; with her son and mother having the stronger personalities. I think she make a mistake; in that she told the truth on NG last night, contradicting her mother and son.

Disclaimer: I think telling the TRUTH is the right thing to do. By mistake, I mean Teresa went off the ranch by telling the truth.

My Opinions.

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:30 AM

That is from two totally different times. Annette Sykes wasn't even refering to that when she said it was a crock. Two different times!

I know, I read back to the actual link of the "crock" comment.

As I posted, "IIRC".

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:31 AM

Right, and then we have Ronald who did numerous interviews on TV and never once mentioned that he called 20 times that night trying to find his babysitter, and he never once mentioned he called the brothers home asking for her, and at that time Haleigh was supposedly in bed- I am more concerned about those actions than a brother not wanting to get his sister in trouble-

jmo

of course he never mentioned those things...he was & still is standing behind his wife's story, imo

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:31 AM

Whoa!!! That can't be for general public consumption, can it? Seems like an awfull lotta drug. Maybe its stocked on the same shelf as the Diprivan? Meaning its manufactured, but not for "street use". ????

That's what I was wondering? Maybe they make it but it can only be used in the hospital or for people who have hospice care so someone can monitor the taking of the pills?

Texas48

09-24-2009, 11:31 AM

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:31 AM

I know, I read back to the actual link of the "crock" comment.

As I posted, "IIRC".

Ronald did call the story "garbage" though....

Tracian

09-24-2009, 11:33 AM

I believe the phone records that exist that has Ron calling the brother after 9pm that night- I think its a huge deal that Ron was misleading the public, and I am not alone-

jmo

Misleading the public? The public is not investigating this case, LE is; It would be a big deal if he is miss leading the investigators; but LE has never said anything like that.

On the subject of 'misleading' if HankJR is now telling the truth, he absolutely mislead LE.

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:35 AM

It's hard to cry on cue.

And that talk about HaLeigh coming home 'cause she's praying for it. There's a new country song that says what I've been taught for years -- sometimes God says No.

i know!....i hadn't even noticed it, till it was brought to my attention...i guess i assumed she was blubbering crying, but there were no tears...like i said, i had to watch it a second time.....she never used a tissue/hand to wipe her face...her face wasn't wet..

Blackwatch

09-24-2009, 11:37 AM

someone brought it to my attention last night...not one single time did Neves wipe her face with a tissue or her hand...not once...during a close up, which i watched again during the repeat, there were no tears going down her face at all...

I noticed that also. There was a lot of sniffing, but I saw NO tears. Wonder why not if she was so upset? I believe most people would have been sobbing, but that's only my opinion.

I was awed about TN's profession of her belief in God. Has she always been a strong Christian?

My opinion only

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:37 AM

Ronald did call the story "garbage" though....

Yes, and GGSykes was interviewed about it too. That's when she said she took Jr. to the sheriff's office herself.

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:37 AM

I believe the phone records that exist that has Ron calling the brother after 9pm that night- I think its a huge deal that Ron was misleading the public, and I am not alone-

jmo

no you're not alone....there's a reason LE allowed this info out about those calls...there's a reason a lot of info is coming out, & IMO it's to show how many aren't telling the truth...

Lurken

09-24-2009, 11:39 AM

You may have misunderstood what Dr. Perpar said Lurken...here is the link..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

PERPER: Probably from one or two pills, she could have died.

I did understand that. What I was asking is how big are the pills? And how do you get a child to take them?

My earlier post said you would have to forecefully shove them down her throat, which would be murder. A 5 year old child doesn't take oxy or any pill, without being forced. I highly doubt it tastes like candy.

But here's the problem. We only have speculation on the oxy. Nothing to confirm it. Nay-Nay, who is in jail, mentioned this. JMO.

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:40 AM

Misleading the public? The public is not investigating this case, LE is; It would be a big deal if he is miss leading the investigators; but LE has never said anything like that.

On the subject of 'misleading' if HankJR is now telling the truth, he absolutely mislead LE.

If Hank Jr. is JUST NOW telling the truth, then yes he did mislead LE.

And if Ron expects the public to look for Haleigh, call in tips, whatever then the public should expect that they are being told the truth. JMO and all that.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:41 AM

no you're not alone....there's a reason LE allowed this info out about those calls...there's a reason a lot of info is coming out, & IMO it's to show how many aren't telling the truth...

And Ron could very well have told the LE that he made the calls to Misty and JR- but he lied on TV and was misleading the public- I dont buy this is just Ron working with the LE angle either- I think LE just gave him a bunch of rope to work with-

imo

EMAA

09-24-2009, 11:44 AM

That's what I was wondering? Maybe they make it but it can only be used in the hospital or for people who have hospice care so someone can monitor the taking of the pills?

By the time someone is up to 160 mg. they are in no condition to self administer this drug. I do believe that it is very high on the list of not for public consumption, but for treatment by medical personell such as you mention, hospice care. Usually administered in liquid measure, or by patch. Information gathered when my mom was at the end. MO

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:44 AM

OxyContin is the brand name for oxycodone mixed with materials that give the pill its time-released effect. Crushing it exposes more of the drug to the body, like crushing a hard candy so you don't wait for it to dissolve. Once crushed, users can snort a drug (the mucus membrances in the nose absorb it faster than the digestive track does) as well as inject it.

Thanks thats what I wanted to know, the difference between the two. When I read the link Viva provided it said Oxycontin has a time release and I am pretty sure mine doesn't. Also are all Oxycontin time release or is it only the higher mg?

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:44 AM

And Ron could very well have told the LE that he made the calls to Misty and JR- but he lied on TV and was misleading the public- I dont buy this is just Ron working with the LE angle either- I think LE just gave him a bunch of rope to work with-

imo

If he told LE before the phone records came out that he indeed called Misty 20 times and that at 9 p.m. on a school night he called her brother's house to see if she was there, that's a big clue that he was at least suspicious that she (Misty) was not at home. Yet he complains that the police have "tunnel vision" when it comes to Misty and he says that he has no reason to doubt her story.

JMO

Tracian

09-24-2009, 11:45 AM

If Hank Jr. is JUST NOW telling the truth, then yes he did mislead LE.

And if Ron expects the public to look for Haleigh, call in tips, whatever then the public should expect that they are being told the truth. JMO and all that.

Again, we do not know what Ron told LE; We don't know what if anything Tommy told Ron about Misty being home or not.

seeker

09-24-2009, 11:45 AM

You can only make a deal if what you say is the truth, or at least if they can use what you are saying to nail someone else for a crime...isn't that how it works? If he is lying they won't make a deal with him because he is useless to them.

I am wondering, if this letter from Kristina Prevatt is for real, could her reminding her boyfriend of where she was, two times, be just that? Out of great fear, and apparently some anger, she is desperately trying to protect herself. This man, Joe P. could have created the whole story. Seeing Greg Page interviewed, I don't see a man trying to cover himself for a horrendous crime; I see a guy, who feels stupid, not guilty. He appears to be telling the truth, up to and including, when he stated that he wished he'd never met Misty; that his life has been horrible ever since. (Not an exact quote).

If this man (Joe P.) is lying about a party that night, about the whole thing, including HaLeigh, I can see this young girl, in jail, wanting to stress that this story he is telling is not true. It sounds as if the father of her child, the man she is writing to, is not someone who would remain loyal to her (based on stories printed about her wanting desperately to see her child, whom this older man apparently has custody of) and I sense she is appealing to him to please not go along with any plan to frame her, if such a thing is in the works.

Just my thoughts and opinions

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:47 AM

If he told LE before the phone records came out that he indeed called Misty 20 times and that at 9 p.m. on a school night he called her brother's house to see if she was there, that's a big clue that he was at least suspicious that she (Misty) was not at home. Yet he complains that the police have "tunnel vision" when it comes to Misty and he says that he has no reason to doubt her story.

JMO

Exactly- and if hes calling asking if Misty is there- which his Lawyer acknowledges- its just very suspicious-

jmo

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:47 AM

I did understand that. What I was asking is how big are the pills? And how do you get a child to take them?

My earlier post said you would have to forecefully shove them down her throat, which would be murder. A 5 year old child doesn't take oxy or any pill, without being forced. I highly doubt it tastes like candy.

But here's the problem. We only have speculation on the oxy. Nothing to confirm it. Nay-Nay, who is in jail, mentioned this. JMO.

they're not big pills....

CanCan

09-24-2009, 11:47 AM

It was very painful to watch her, I agree. How come Nancy Grace's "people" always leave the camera on folks like Ms Neves (and Ron, a few times) for several lingering seconds when its someone in emotional pain. It seems cruel and class-less.

:sad: TN, on the other hand, presents herself with such dignity, despite - from the looks of it - that her pain wants to come busting out.

jmo

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:48 AM

Could be Seeker. Since we don't know everything that Joe said it is hard to say.

4Kids

09-24-2009, 11:49 AM

Neves tells 97.3 The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets.

could this get any more kookoo???

Mel...I just read this post. This case is stone cold crazy. I simply don't get these people. How does one say with a straight face that her daughter-in-law's boyfriend paid for tickets? Jeez Louise. And I like TN. I will keep reading..and posting from time to time, but I really no longer have any theories. Wow. IMO

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:50 AM

I am wondering, if this letter from Kristina Prevatt is for real, could her reminding her boyfriend of where she was, two times, be just that? Out of great fear, and apparently some anger, she is desperately trying to protect herself. This man, Joe P. could have created the whole story. Seeing Greg Page interviewed, I don't see a man trying to cover himself for a horrendous crime; I see a guy, who feels stupid, not guilty. He appears to be telling the truth, up to and including, when he stated that he wished he'd never met Misty; that his life has been horrible ever since. (Not an exact quote).

If this man (Joe P.) is lying about a party that night, about the whole thing, including HaLeigh, I can see this young girl, in jail, wanting to stress that this story he is telling is not true. It sounds as if the father of her child, the man she is writing to, is not someone who would remain loyal to her (based on stories printed about her wanting desperately to see her child, whom this older man apparently has custody of) and I sense she is appealing to him to please not go along with any plan to frame her, if such a thing is in the works.

Just my thoughts and opinions

Its not as if the jail letter implicates Nay Nay in any way that she would even be in trouble if she was there during this alleged party- why is it Greg Page, the person who supposedly threw her body in a lake is in and out of jail on drug charges, if the LE suspected him in any capacity, and with as much as being implicated about him, I bet he would have had super high bail- Nay Nay if she was at this party and the child OD'd on a pill, and Greg Page threw her in a lake- why wouldn't Nay Nay tell and get the 70k so she isn't begging her boyfriend for money? Its not as if the story is Nay Nay held her down and made her swallow these pills-

jmo

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:50 AM

Mel...I just read this post. This case is stone cold crazy. I simply don't get these people. How does one say with a straight face that her daughter-in-law's boyfriend paid for tickets? Jeez Louise. And I like TN. I will keep reading..and posting from time to time, but I really no longer have any theories. Wow. IMO

I think it is Teresa's boyfriend who paid for the tickets, not Misty's boyfriend?

Acey

09-24-2009, 11:52 AM

Again, if one believe's HankJR.

What Ron did or did not tell the media is not the issue; we don't know what he told LE; and still to this day LE has said nothing about Ron being inconsistant.

We won't know who told LE what, and at what point in time, until someone is charged in Haleigh's disappearance and public records are released. We can only guess in the interim. The important statements are those which have been made to LE.

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 11:53 AM

From TJ Hart- via twitter-

Warrant out for Lisa Croslin bond is $10,504.00. It has a nation wide pick up. If she doesn't bond in TN, then she will be extradited

Move over, Tommy.

Lurken

09-24-2009, 11:53 AM

If he told LE before the phone records came out that he indeed called Misty 20 times and that at 9 p.m. on a school night he called her brother's house to see if she was there, that's a big clue that he was at least suspicious that she (Misty) was not at home. Yet he complains that the police have "tunnel vision" when it comes to Misty and he says that he has no reason to doubt her story.

JMO
IMO, I don't believe Ron. If he thinks for one nano-second Misty isn't implicated in this, he's living on Mars. JMO.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:54 AM

From TJ Hart- via twitter-

Warrant out for Lisa Croslin bond is $10,504.00. It has a nation wide pick up. If she doesn't bond in TN, then she will be extradited

Another big bond. Why are people in possesion of cocaine getting a $1000.00 bond yet we see the Croslin's getting these huge bonds? I wonder what the forgery charge is all about?

Tracian

09-24-2009, 11:54 AM

From TJ Hart- via twitter-

Warrant out for Lisa Croslin bond is $10,504.00. It has a nation wide pick up. If she doesn't bond in TN, then she will be extradited

Wow, another high bond, with a nation wide pickup.

Seems that LE is focused on the Croslins.

Texas48

09-24-2009, 11:54 AM

That's all he has is conjecture, just like the rest of us. We don't have a body, we don't know if Haleigh is alive and well or not. I tend to think not. JMO.
I respectfully disagree Lurken..NG asked Dr. Perper a question and he answered her..1 or 2 pills would kill a child. In my opinion he would be considered an expert ....I personally know how strong this medication is and I'm not a 39 lb. child with a medical condition..
your 100% correct in the fact we don't know if HaLeigh is alive or dead..I choose to have hope she is alive...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 11:56 AM

Wow, another high bond, with a nation wide pickup.

Seems that LE is focused on the Croslins.

Not sure so much focused on the Croslins- I mean they are breaking the law, I dont think the LE is making them do this stuff- it would be ignorant not to enforce the law-

Mel

09-24-2009, 11:56 AM

Mel...I just read this post. This case is stone cold crazy. I simply don't get these people. How does one say with a straight face that her daughter-in-law's boyfriend paid for tickets? Jeez Louise. And I like TN. I will keep reading..and posting from time to time, but I really no longer have any theories. Wow. IMO

wild, to say the least!....TN states it was HER boyfriend that paid for the tickets....i can't imagine wanting to pay for Misty to go off on a 'holiday' to clear her head:confused:

JD1974

09-24-2009, 11:58 AM

Not sure so much focused on the Croslins- I mean they are breaking the law, I dont think the LE is making them do this stuff- it would be ignorant not to enforce the law-

It's the bonds that are surprising. You look at the other bonds and they are low compared, like I said before the one guy with a possesion of cocaine only had 1k bond.

With a bondsman would that mean they have to pay 1k to get Lisa out or do they have to pay it all? Is it 10% you have to pay with a bondsman or does the family have to pay the full 10k to get her out?

EMAA

09-24-2009, 11:58 AM

wild, to say the least!....TN states it was HER boyfriend that paid for the tickets....i can't imagine wanting to pay for Misty to go off on a 'holiday' to clear her head:confused:

Maybe it was so the rest of the family could clear their own heads and reduce the number of so called fighting that seems to be going on. mo

seeker

09-24-2009, 11:59 AM

Yes. Everyday it gets worse.

MO

If this is all true, that Misty went with a friend to Orlando, than the friend must be a Cummings family friend, who will keep tabs on Misty.

It sounds like a way to get Misty out of town, a way to keep her happy, and with plans for Ron to met her later (whether he does or not), a continued effort to keep Misty under their control and away from the local LE, who Misty claims offered her protective custody.

Could it be a concentrated effort to keep Misty from speaking to the police anymore?

My opinions and questions

Lurken

09-24-2009, 11:59 AM

LE said interrogating these people is like interviewing a rock. JMO cause I don't have a link so I can's substantiate this.

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:00 PM

Not sure so much focused on the Croslins- I mean they are breaking the law, I dont think the LE is making them do this stuff- it would be ignorant not to enforce the law-

They alledgedly broke the law.

on NG, and TJH concurred that the bail for Tommy was really out of the ball park; seems Lisa's is rather high also.

Time will tell, Tommy already has gave LE information he has never gave before after a few days in jail.

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:00 PM

From TJ Hart- via twitter-

Warrant out for Lisa Croslin bond is $10,504.00. It has a nation wide pick up. If she doesn't bond in TN, then she will be extradited

it won't be hard to find her if the info about her staying with her mother is true...they're in West Nashville

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 12:00 PM

wild, to say the least!....TN states it was HER boyfriend that paid for the tickets....i can't imagine wanting to pay for Misty to go off on a 'holiday' to clear her head:confused:

Maybe they hope for a different outcome than when she tried to "clear her name"?

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:00 PM

It's the bonds that are surprising. You look at the other bonds and they are low compared, like I said before the one guy with a possesion of cocaine only had 1k bond.

With a bondsmen would that mean they have to pay 1k to get out or do they have to pay it all?

Yeah, I agree- in hindsight its like basically even though their bail is not that high, its basically like no bail for them-

jmo

klock777

09-24-2009, 12:00 PM

Mel...I just read this post. This case is stone cold crazy. I simply don't get these people. How does one say with a straight face that her daughter-in-law's boyfriend paid for tickets? Jeez Louise. And I like TN. I will keep reading..and posting from time to time, but I really no longer have any theories. Wow. IMO

Oh, I thought it meant the grandma's boyfriend paid for them.

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 12:01 PM

They alledgedly broke the law.

on NG, and TJH concurred that the bail for Tommy was really out of the ball park; seems Lisa's is rather high also.

Time will tell, Tommy already has gave LE information he has never gave before after a few days in jail.

Do we know for a fact that Tommy has just now given LE information "he has never gave before after a few days in jail"?

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:03 PM

Yeah, I agree- in hindsight its like basically even though their bail is not that high, its basically like no bail for them-

jmo

Yeah a 1000.00 bond amounts to 100.00 if going through a bondsman I believe, if someone is dealing or has enough money to buy cocaine they most likely have the 100.00 to bond out.

HouseOfClark

09-24-2009, 12:03 PM

Oh, I thought it meant the grandma's boyfriend paid for them.

That IS what it meant.

TN's boyfriend paid for Misty's trip.

klock777

09-24-2009, 12:04 PM

Wow, another high bond, with a nation wide pickup.

Seems that LE is focused on the Croslins.

What is this for - do you know?

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:05 PM

Not sure so much focused on the Croslins- I mean they are breaking the law, I dont think the LE is making them do this stuff- it would be ignorant not to enforce the law-

i think LE knows the Croslins have info about what happened that night, & for some reason they're not talking...somehow Tommy's been thrown into this mix...i, personally don't believe he had anything to do with what harmed Haleigh, but it's possible he knows something... afterall, RC is the one that called HIM that night, & i believe he WAS told to go check the house & see if Misty was home.....there was a reason to throw Tommy in the mix, from the start, IMO.....i think it's a good idea to get the Croslin's in custody...maybe they'll break & won't be afraid to tell the truth....

eta...do we know if Tommy's taken a polygraph at all?

Lurken

09-24-2009, 12:05 PM

Yeah, I agree- in hindsight its like basically even though their bail is not that high, its basically like no bail for them-

jmo

What bondsman would bail these people out? They (the ones in jail) have to have some collateral to cover the bail, or else you get a rogue like Leonard Padilla who bailed Casey Anthony out. Boy is he sorry now.

JMO.

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:05 PM

Do we know for a fact that Tommy has just now given LE information "he has never gave before after a few days in jail"?

If Tommy told LE seven months ago that Misty was not home, as he went over to check on her, the LE has been misleading he public, the same public they are asking for tips, etc. Isn't that what some are accusing Ron of? Why would LE mislead the public if they have information tha Misty was not at home?

Trissy

09-24-2009, 12:05 PM

From TJ Hart- via twitter-

Warrant out for Lisa Croslin bond is $10,504.00. It has a nation wide pick up. If she doesn't bond in TN, then she will be extradited

Please refresh my memory. Who is Lisa Croslin? And what is the warrant for?
On another note, does anyone remember not long after Haleigh went missing, TN said something of Haleighs was missing. Something that she needed. Anyone remmber what it was or did they ever say what it was? TIA

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:06 PM

What is this for - do you know?

forgery.....

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:06 PM

What is this for - do you know?

Forgery if I read it correctly.

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:06 PM

Please refresh my memory. Who is Lisa Croslin? And what is the warrant for?
On another note, does anyone remember not long after Haleigh went missing, TN said something of Haeighs was missing. Something that she needed. Anyone remmber what it was or did they ever say what it was? TIA

Lisa Croslin is Misty's mama, & she's charged with forgery....

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:07 PM

What is this for - do you know?

Forgery, I don't know what she is accused of forging.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:07 PM

What bondsman would bail these people out? They (the ones in jail) have to have some collateral to cover the bail, or else you get a rogue like Leonard Padilla who bailed Casey Anthony out. Boy is he sorry now.

JMO.

I think they pay 10% of the bail amount and the bondman keeps the 10% after they appear in court the bondsman gets his money back.

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:08 PM

the $10,000 bail is really $1,000

Texas48

09-24-2009, 12:09 PM

Right, and then we have Ronald who did numerous interviews on TV and never once mentioned that he called 20 times that night trying to find his babysitter, and he never once mentioned he called the brothers home asking for her, and at that time Haleigh was supposedly in bed- I am more concerned about those actions than a brother not wanting to get his sister in trouble-

jmoBBM
But *we* don't know what Ron told LE..doesn't make any difference what he did or did not tell the public/media....IMO

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:09 PM

Forgery, I don't know what she is accused of forging.

Me neither, I wish we did though. That is a high bail. Does anyone have any idea what the avg bond would be there for forgery? See if it is in the norm...

Lurken

09-24-2009, 12:10 PM

Lisa Croslin is Misty's mama, & she's charged with forgery....

Why wasn't she picked up sooner? Does anyone know where she is at this moment? I'm talking about Lisa. JMO. I still can't find the date of the forgery charge. Anyone know?

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:11 PM

the $10,000 bail is really $1,000

Yes, I am curious if that is the normal bond amount for forgery? The 50,000 that Tommy is being held on is really only 5,000, well I shouldn't say only because 5,000 is quite a bit of money.

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:11 PM

Do we know for a fact that Tommy has just now given LE information "he has never gave before after a few days in jail"?

no we don't know that, but for some reason LE decided to allow this info out, at this time....

Lurken

09-24-2009, 12:11 PM

Me neither, I wish we did though. That is a high bail. Does anyone have any idea what the avg bond would be there for forgery? See if it is in the norm...

Casey Anthony had a $500,000 bond for forgery. That was the only thing they could get her on at that point. JMO.

ETA. And it's the same state, Florida.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:12 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5292416.php?

Nation-wide Pickup Warrant Out For Mother of Haleigh's Stepmom

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:12 PM

Yes, I am curious if that is the normal bond amount for forgery? The 50,000 that Tommy is being held on is really only 5,000, well I shouldn't say only because 5,000 is quite a bit of money.

i guess these are high bonds, considering it's doubtful these people can come up with the 10%.....course i could be wrong, & Lisa's mama has the means to come up with $1,000...???

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:12 PM

i think LE knows the Croslins have info about what happened that night, & for some reason they're not talking...somehow Tommy's been thrown into this mix...i, personally don't believe he had anything to do with what harmed Haleigh, but it's possible he knows something... afterall, RC is the one that called HIM that night, & i believe he WAS told to go check the house & see if Misty was home.....there was a reason to throw Tommy in the mix, from the start, IMO.....i think it's a good idea to get the Croslin's in custody...maybe they'll break & won't be afraid to tell the truth....

eta...do we know if Tommy's taken a polygraph at all?

Afraid to tell the truth? Lisa didn't seem afraid when she said in an interview she thought Misty was not telling everything; she didn't seem afraid when she also says she stands behind her son's story.

She didn't seem afraid the night they showed up at AS's house and had Tommy called LE to report Ron and Misty for attacking him. (she was talking in the background)

Lisa also said she never knew Ron to be violent, until that night, so she claims...so why would she or Tommy be afraid to tell the truth 7 months ago?

Scampi

09-24-2009, 12:13 PM

IMO, the ONLY thing we know for an absolute fact, is that Haleigh is gone. Period!

IAMME

09-24-2009, 12:14 PM

Some good info on Oxycontin:

http://www.oxyabusekills.com/overdose.html

Several pages back, or maybe even yesterday someone said you have to have a very good reason to get it legally. I know several ppl who are addicted to it and none of them have any major medical issues, they all use the same doctor who is VERY lenient about handing out these prescriptions. One of these girls gets them because she broke her foot THREE YEARS ago. So they are not that hard to get legally, and "drug seekers" like these can be found at every ER at any time of the day or night.IMO

CanCan

09-24-2009, 12:14 PM

Snipped and bolded by me

One can always crush it and put it in a strong-flavored drink, such as OJ. And maybe say, "Oh, it tasted yucky, honey? Here, wash it down with this water."

:shrug: I've thought all along that the "Oxycotten" was administered by Misty at home, before leaving for the party, so that the kids would sleep through it and not be able to tell Ronald.

jmo

Lynn Gweeny

09-24-2009, 12:14 PM

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:15 PM

Why wasn't she picked up sooner? Does anyone know where she is at this moment? I'm talking about Lisa. JMO. I still can't find the date of the forgery charge. Anyone know?

today is the first i've heard of this forgery charge...i don't know why she wasn't picked up sooner, if it's been 'out there' for a long period of time....Lisa & her husband are staying with her mama, in TN...

Texas48

09-24-2009, 12:15 PM

I believe the phone records that exist that has Ron calling the brother after 9pm that night- I think its a huge deal that Ron was misleading the public, and I am not alone-

jmo
Just like Tracian posted and I posted upthread...we *may* have just found out about the phone records but Ron very well may have told LE everything about these 20 calls and calling Tommy at the first of the case Viva...that does NOT mean Ron has been misleading the public...there is NO law on record that I know of that that parent of a missing child has to tell the media/public everything they know.....thats left up to PD Depts. to release info or not...and this PD elected to NOT release it.....thats not Rons faught...IMO

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:16 PM

Tommy Croslin out of jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756503&IMG=59423

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:18 PM

Just checking the local media sites and read this in an updated WESH article .... UPDATED: 12:26 am EDT September 24, 2009

Neighbors said that detectives are back near Haleigh's home actively searching. Jim Batchelor said he pointed out the well they were asking about, but it turned up nothing. (5th paragraph down)

http://www.wesh.com/news/21088167/detail.html

so they're back near the home searching....wonder if phone records showed none of them actually leaving the area that night....maybe all the phones showed movement, but all within in the same few towers in the area.....

DramaQueen

09-24-2009, 12:19 PM

Please refresh my memory. Who is Lisa Croslin? And what is the warrant for?
On another note, does anyone remember not long after Haleigh went missing, TN said something of Haleighs was missing. Something that she needed. Anyone remmber what it was or did they ever say what it was? TIA

Hi, Trissy, hi all, I do remember that, Teresa actually said something was missing of Haleigh's something that should always be with her. It was never revealed what it was, and peeps wondered if the item was actually taken by LE during the search of the home and TN did not realize it.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:19 PM

Tommy Croslin out of jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756503&IMG=59423

Bond was reduced

Interesting, wonder why it was reduced?

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:19 PM

Tommy Croslin out of jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756503&IMG=59423

Bond was reduced

i can't help it, but i'm glad to hear this....

Mel

09-24-2009, 12:20 PM

Tommy Croslin out of jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756503&IMG=59423

Bond was reduced

it looks like bond wasn't reduced or i'm reading it wrong....10% would have been the $5,004, right?

msgatorslayer

09-24-2009, 12:21 PM

Casey Anthony had a $500,000 bond for forgery. That was the only thing they could get her on at that point. JMO.

ETA. And it's the same state, Florida.

Her first arrest was for lying to LE and child endangerment. I believe the $500k bond was set for that.

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:21 PM

Tommy Croslin out of jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756503&IMG=59423

Bond was reduced

Seems that he served his purpose.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:21 PM

i can't help it, but i'm glad to hear this....

If he commited the crime then I am not glad to hear it. Sad when someone steals from a senior citizen.

I am really curious to know what Lisa is accused of forging?

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 12:21 PM

Neves says her boyfriend paid for Misty's ticket to Orlando.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5291042.php

when did TN say that? Because your link doesn't say anything about it.

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:22 PM

Her first arrest was for lying to LE and child endangerment. I believe the $500k bond was set for that.

I believe you are correct; after she bonded out, they arrested her for the checks.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:22 PM

it looks like bond wasn't reduced or i'm reading it wrong....10% would have been the $5,004, right?

Yes, you are right- I didnt see the 50k so I thought that it was reduced, my apologies!!

titanfan217

09-24-2009, 12:22 PM

That's the first time I've seen where TN said anything about a "man in black". Ron claimed it was something "Crystal and Geraldo" came up with. GGSykes said Jr. never said anything like that.

When it fits in their story, it becomes the truth.

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 12:22 PM

Seems that he served his purpose.

Yes he did.......

Lurken

09-24-2009, 12:23 PM

Tommy Croslin out of jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756503&IMG=59423

Bond was reduced
It wasn't reduced, it was paid. JMO.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:23 PM

it looks like bond wasn't reduced or i'm reading it wrong....10% would have been the $5,004, right?

It was reduced by 10% to the 5004.00. They put the actual bond amount not the amount minus what the bondsman paid.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:23 PM

It wasn't reduced, it was paid. JMO.

I made a mistake and modified my post-

titanfan217

09-24-2009, 12:23 PM

Why is Ron and TN still standing behind Misty?

Ummmmm ... doesn't look good, does it?

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:24 PM

Nancy will be covering the case tonight- its not a live show however- but at least shes covering it!!!

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:24 PM

I made a mistake and modified my post-

I thought it was reduced also. I wonder how they posted.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:25 PM

Yes, you are right- I didnt see the 50k so I thought that it was reduced, my apologies!!

It was reduced, he only had to pay 10% of $5004.00 to get out. They put the full bond amount on there, not what you pay the bondsman.

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 12:25 PM

it looks like bond wasn't reduced or i'm reading it wrong....10% would have been the $5,004, right?

You are correct Mel,no his bond wasn't reduced...........

Lurken

09-24-2009, 12:26 PM

when did TN say that? Because your link doesn't say anything about it.

Here's the quote from the 93kys link:

"Neves tells 93kys The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets."

I missed it earlier today also.

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 12:26 PM

IMO, the ONLY thing we know for an absolute fact, is that Haleigh is gone. Period!

I agree...Haleigh is gone and it is a mystery to all of us...But I know, if we put all our heads together, we can probably come up with a better scenerio then LE....After 7 months I would think that LE should have something on there lists as to what took place here...

Trissy

09-24-2009, 12:27 PM

Interesting, wonder why it was reduced?

Maybe some kind of deal was made? Sounds interesting to me. imo

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:28 PM

You are correct Mel,no his bond wasn't reduced...........

If his bond wasn't reduced all the rest of the people who bonded out would show $100.00 as paid not the $1004.00 that was the bond. They do not put down what you actually paid to the bondsman they put the full bond in there.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:29 PM

Maybe some kind of deal was made? Sounds interesting to me. imo

I think he served his purpose by finally spilling his guts to LE, so he wasn't useful anymore. That's why his bond was lowered. IMO

Lurken

09-24-2009, 12:29 PM

The bond WAS NOT REDUCED! He paid bail which is 10% of the bond aka $5.000. Who posted bond is the question.

Motomom

09-24-2009, 12:30 PM

Just like Tracian posted and I posted upthread...we *may* have just found out about the phone records but Ron very well may have told LE everything about these 20 calls and calling Tommy at the first of the case Viva...that does NOT mean Ron has been misleading the public...there is NO law on record that I know of that that parent of a missing child has to tell the media/public everything they know.....thats left up to PD Depts. to release info or not...and this PD elected to NOT release it.....thats not Rons faught...IMO

There were a few times that Ron directed others to LE when asked a question he couldn't or didn't want to answer, such as the door being forced/notforced open when he was on NG. LE kept lots close to their vest IMO and now they are leaking it out..and yet still no leaks implicating Ron as far as I can see. How bout you tracian?

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 12:30 PM

Here's the quote from the 93kys link:

"Neves tells 93kys The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets."

I missed it earlier today also.

ohh i see it now. so they basically paid for her to go away for a few days. hmmm i wonder if they will want her to come back.

Blackwatch

09-24-2009, 12:31 PM

If he told LE before the phone records came out that he indeed called Misty 20 times and that at 9 p.m. on a school night he called her brother's house to see if she was there, that's a big clue that he was at least suspicious that she (Misty) was not at home. Yet he complains that the police have "tunnel vision" when it comes to Misty and he says that he has no reason to doubt her story.

JMO

You make an EXCELLENT point. How can truth be both ways?

My opinion only

smileyjoe

09-24-2009, 12:31 PM

Yeah a 1000.00 bond amounts to 100.00 if going through a bondsman I believe, if someone is dealing or has enough money to buy cocaine they most likely have the 100.00 to bond out.

A judge may set either a cash or surety bond. A cash bond requires the total bond amount. A surety bond requires 10%.

:smile:

CFMom

09-24-2009, 12:31 PM

Anyone care to share todays highlights with me? TIA

DramaQueen

09-24-2009, 12:32 PM

Seems that he served his purpose.

that's exactly what I was thinking, they must have gotten what they needed from him, or all they could.

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:33 PM

The bond WAS NOT REDUCED! He paid bail which is 10% of the bond aka $5.000. Who posted bond is the question.

They do not put what you posted to the bondsman down on there, they put the full bail amount. Or else all those other people we seen getting bonded out would show they paid $104.00 instead of $1004.00.

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 12:35 PM

The bond WAS NOT REDUCED! He paid bail which is 10% of the bond aka $5.000. Who posted bond is the question.

He posted 500.00, anyone could have gotten that up...probably his mother posted it....what they put up for for the 4500.00 I don't know, but they could put a car up if it's worth that much...

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:36 PM

He posted 500.00, anyone could have gotten that up...probably his mother posted it....what they put up for for the 4500.00 I don't know, but they could put a car up if it's worth that much...

I am pretty sure if they went through a bondsman they would only need the 500.00 the rest is covered by the bondsman and he gets it back once the defendant show up in court.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:36 PM

They do not put what you posted to the bondsman down on there, they put the full bail amount. Or else all those other people we seen getting bonded out would show they paid $104.00 instead of $1004.00.
So was it reduced or not?:scared:

I just assumed it was, I have went through other inmates who were bonded out and on none of them does it have what the bondsman paid-

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 12:38 PM

it looks like bond wasn't reduced or i'm reading it wrong....10% would have been the $5,004, right?

The way I see it, he had a 5004.00 bond and he would have had to put up 500.00....

DramaQueen

09-24-2009, 12:38 PM

I agree...Haleigh is gone and it is a mystery to all of us...But I know, if we put all our heads together, we can probably come up with a better scenerio then LE....After 7 months I would think that LE should have something on there lists as to what took place here...

IMO LE has a very good idea of what transpired that evening...all they need now is the proof, which they are gathering one fact at a time

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:38 PM

So was it reduced or not?:scared:

I just assumed it was, I have went through other inmates who were bonded out and on none of them does it have what the bondsman paid-

I think it was reduced to 5004.00, because they put the full bond amount, not what you need to pay the bondsman to get out. Remember WBG had a 1004.00 bond on him? That means he paid 104.00 to get out, yet it didn't say 104.00 it said the full amount of 1004.00. Hope I am explaining that correctly?

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:39 PM

The way I see it, he had a 5004.00 bond and he would have had to put up 500.00....

That's the way I see it also, he had his bond reduced.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:39 PM

I think it was reduced to 5004.00, because they put the full bond amount, not what you need to pay the bondsman to get out. Remember WBG had a 1004.00 bond on him? That means he paid 104.00 to get out, yet it didn't say 104.00 it said the full amount of 1004.00. Hope I am explaining that correctly?

I thought it was reduced from the beginning-

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:41 PM

There were a few times that Ron directed others to LE when asked a question he couldn't or didn't want to answer, such as the door being forced/notforced open when he was on NG. LE kept lots close to their vest IMO and now they are leaking it out..and yet still no leaks implicating Ron as far as I can see. How bout you tracian?

LE to date has not said anything about anyone being inconsistant, but Misty; LE went as far to say that neither Crystal or Ron are suspects.

We have no idea what if anything LE has told Ron not to discuss; We have no idea what Ron told LE; We do know for a fact, that LE has not said they have concerns, confusion, or questions in regards to Ron's statements.

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 12:41 PM

A judge may set either a cash or surety bond. A cash bond requires the total bond amount. A surety bond requires 10%.

:smile:

They also have signature bonds, where you don't have to put any money up, but have to be able to show that there is no way the person would or could run....If they have ties in the community, they are not facing life in prison, and they have to turn in their pass port if they have one...(but these type of bonds are rare and mainly are used whe a person is cooperating with LE)

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:41 PM

I thought it was reduced from the beginning-

You were right IMO

Someone should say something pretty soon about the reduction and how it came after Tommy talked about going over there, one of the sites we cannot mention here.

sickntired

09-24-2009, 12:42 PM

It's hard to cry on cue.

And that talk about HaLeigh coming home 'cause she's praying for it. There's a new country song that says what I've been taught for years -- sometimes God says No.

I'm not trying to disagree with you, and I'm the most negative person out there, but TN seems sincere with her pain. I don't know if it's because Haleigh is missing or that she really knows what has happened. I recall so many interviews with her that she could barely speak. :crying:

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 12:43 PM

And they lowered the bond by 45k. I had a feeling that ridiculously high bond was to put the squeeze on him for what he knows about the night Haleigh went missing. Never did think LE thought Tommy was responsible

Now it's Lisa's turn. Tell what you know, Lisa!

MO

I never thought Tommy was responsible for Haleigh being gone...but i think he's covering for Misty. Why didn't he tell LE about Misty not being home 7 months ago?

moo

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:43 PM

LE to date has not said anything about anyone being inconsistant, but Misty; LE went as far to say that neither Crystal or Ron are suspects.

We have no idea what if anything LE has told Ron not to discuss; We have no idea what Ron told LE; We do know for a fact, that LE has not said they have concerns, confusion, or questions in regards to Ron's statements.

But just because they haven't said anything does not mean they are not thinking it- what task force is going to show their hand? Not saying anything does not always indicate there isn't a problem-

jmo

JD1974

09-24-2009, 12:44 PM

I never thought Tommy was responsible for Haleigh being gone...but i think he's covering for Misty. Why didn't he tell LE about Misty not being home 7 months ago?

moo

They have been looking for witnesses to place her outside of the home for a long time...I seem to remember someone coming out and asking for any witnesses to come forward? Anyone else remember that?

Scampi

09-24-2009, 12:45 PM

And they lowered the bond by 45k. I had a feeling that ridiculously high bond was to put the squeeze on him for what he knows about the night Haleigh went missing. Never did think LE thought Tommy was responsible

Now it's Lisa's turn. Tell what you know, Lisa!

MO

I agree Gracie, it does seem there is a method here, Lisa's next.

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 12:45 PM

I thought it was reduced from the beginning-

Yep i went and looked and i think you were correct.
I wonder what Lisa's charge will be...

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 12:46 PM

I agree Gracie, it does seem there is a method here, Lisa's next.

Aren't you glad LE's working the case? Lot of movement since the fresh eyes showed up IMO

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:47 PM

Yep i went and looked and i think you were correct.
I wonder what Lisa's charge will be...

Forgery I believe-

sickntired

09-24-2009, 12:47 PM

LE to date has not said anything about anyone being inconsistant, but Misty; LE went as far to say that neither Crystal or Ron are suspects.

We have no idea what if anything LE has told Ron not to discuss; We have no idea what Ron told LE; We do know for a fact, that LE has not said they have concerns, confusion, or questions in regards to Ron's statements.

I wonder if LE ever said anything in private to Ron about their suspicions of Misty for the sake of Ron Jr.'s safety. This may be why they are living with Ron's family....so that there is another set of eyes on Jr.

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:48 PM

But just because they haven't said anything does not mean they are not thinking it- what task force is going to show their hand? Not saying anything does not always indicate there isn't a problem-

jmo

I am just talking facts. The fact is the only person LE said they have problems with is Misty.

Of course LE could be thinking of many things, and many people.

smileyjoe

09-24-2009, 12:48 PM

They also have signature bonds, where you don't have to put any money up, but have to be able to show that there is no way the person would or could run....If they have ties in the community, they are not facing life in prison, and they have to turn in their pass port if they have one...(but these type of bonds are rare and mainly are used whe a person is cooperating with LE)

Yeah, a signature or O/R bond. Usually set on very low misdemeanors.

:smile:

Lurken

09-24-2009, 12:49 PM

Why is LE after the Croslins? Heck, they are kin now to the Cummings. :confused:

DramaQueen

09-24-2009, 12:49 PM

I agree Gracie, it does seem there is a method here, Lisa's next.

seems that way to me, too, scampi

Tracian

09-24-2009, 12:50 PM

I wonder if LE ever said anything in private to Ron about their suspicions of Misty for the sake of Ron Jr.'s safety. This may be why they are living with Ron's family....so that there is another set of eyes on Jr.

With some of the comments that Ron told people, and TN's voice mail to Tim, along with both Ron and TN saying 'They don't care who is responsible, they should face charges' (paraphrased) I believe that they do have concerns in regards to Misty.

Viva4Haleigh

09-24-2009, 12:51 PM

I am just talking facts. The fact is the only person LE said they have problems with is Misty.

Of course LE could be thinking of many things, and many people.

Yeah, but another fact here is LE does not have to tell us anything, theres a reason the term "keeping things close the vest" was coined- I just cant turn my mind off and pretend it doesn't happen-

jmo

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 12:51 PM

I am pretty sure if they went through a bondsman they would only need the 500.00 the rest is covered by the bondsman and he gets it back once the defendant show up in court.

You are correct, but the bondsman need collateral for the balance...because he would be responsible to pay it if the person runs...Sometimes the bondsman (if the case is nothing to run from) may not require it, but in most cases, one would haveto put up their home or car or anything of value for the bondsman to put a lean on in the event te person should run....

When a bondsman takes the person at their word and doesn't take collateral, that is when the bounty hunter comes in, because the bondsman has to kick out that money to the court and they don't like that very much (if the person should run)...:biggrin:

Sometimes the bondsman is greedy for that 10% and they may take a chance...

seeker

09-24-2009, 12:51 PM

Again, if one believe's HankJR.

What Ron did or did not tell the media is not the issue; we don't know what he told LE; and still to this day LE has said nothing about Ron being inconsistant.

To some of us, what Ron did and did not tell the media is a HUGE Issue. He was telling the interviewer and us, the public, whom he was appealing to for help, that this was a true accounting of events. He chose to leave out huge chunks of information. As far as whether or not he told LE before this new information hit the news recently, the same could be asked of Tommy.

Why would LE need to state that Ron is inconsistent in his stories? It is out there for us all to see and hear. His LIES, beginning with the biggest and most telling one: The one where he tells the heartwarming story of picking up his precious daughter at the bus on Feb. 9 2009, having a special moment with her, dropping her off at home, and then leaving (presumably for work). Only thing is, it has been proven that he LIED. This never happened.

What grieving, searching father LIES about something as significant as the last time he saw his daughter, something that throws the time line of events all awry?

They have focused on Misty for a reason. It appears it is because she will be the easier nut to crack. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear can see the clannishness of Annette Sykes, Teresa Neves and Ronald Cummings. They will uphold each others stories, as best they can. Teresa slipped last night, in telling the truth, but I imagine they will pull it together once again.

These are my OPINIONS.