Caylee Anthony 9/24 [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

desmom

09-24-2009, 08:35 AM

morning!!

Just saw the live report on WESH...nothing up yet, but the report says that Cindy took BIG bucks from the networks and that Lee was offered money but did not take any.....Also that Kronk was paid $20,000 for the picture of the rattlesnake......

We all knew this already.......but know it is in the open and gives the general public more reasons to hate Cindy.

So that is some good news!!!

Thanks for the update Mac. Well, we have suspected for some time and now we know.

If Kronk was given $20K for his rattlesnake pic, how much was given to Cindy for her pics of Casey and Caylee? I guess we know how she paid for all her new bling! :cursing:

Question: How will this play out in the COV motion hearing?

jmo

Bala

09-24-2009, 08:38 AM

kakax

09-24-2009, 08:46 AM

Thanks for the update Mac. Well, we have suspected for some time and now we know.

If Kronk was given $20K for his rattlesnake pic, how much was given to Cindy for her pics of Casey and Caylee? I guess we know how she paid for all her new bling! :cursing:

Question: How will this play out in the COV motion hearing?

jmo

Hmmm. That's an interesting question. C and G have been begging for interviews that they get paid for but since it isn't Casey will it matter?

Deannalynn

09-24-2009, 08:50 AM

Wonder if Lee is house hunting this morning? Pack up the tubesocks and the Mally-Bu! Lee, Cindy can't be happy .

JMO

That will be fine with Lee. Ya see, after them 3 give their testimony and Cindy and George lie through their teeth, Lee will get up there and tell the truth. George and Cindy will get fined and thrown into the slammer next to their Mother of the year daughter, Lee will move into the house with Mally-Bu. (One little cozy family)
In the meantime, Cindy and George would have paid the house off. Casey will go nuts because her fantasy was to have Amy move into that house with her because Mom and pops were suppose to get a divorce ya see.
Plans didn't work out for any of them, the way I see it.:biggrinjester:

Sun

09-24-2009, 08:57 AM

Hmmm. That's an interesting question. C and G have been begging for interviews that they get paid for but since it isn't Casey will it matter?

It may matter in a way to a COV, as it will show that media cover has been nationally, and not just limited to the Orlando area. The fact that Cindy and George are not the "accused" is a factor.

desmom

09-24-2009, 09:03 AM

I played with the numbers and looked at what the Anthony's owed according to reports.....

The best I can come up with is that The Anthony's, George And Cindy....IMO.....got close to $275,000...

Also they have a steady stream of income from KFN and any other interviews.

An important point....

IF CINDY IS ON TV.....SHE GOT PAID.....SIMPLE AS THAT!!!..

That would also mean NG and Velez as well. But I know now why they have not been on TV recently.....there price tag must have gone up!!!

I try to imagine how different this entire case would be IF G and C would have said "no comment" or shoved a picture of Caylee in the front of every news camera with a "Please find Caylee" or a "Help us find Caylee".

The two of them doing local and national interviews about what a wonderful mother Casey was, the things LE did or did not do in their investigation, the nanny stories, Casey is giving us a clue or talking in code blah, blah, blah have only added to the media circus around this case.

With all the motions JB filed, why the heck did he not file a motion for a GAG order against G & C? ETA - Oh wait a minute, he was doing local and national interviews too! How much of the $$$ paid to G & C have been paid to JB and Team?

jmo

Bala

09-24-2009, 09:05 AM

sydney

09-24-2009, 09:08 AM

I try to imagine how different this entire case would be IF G and C would have said "no comment" or shoved a picture of Caylee in the front of every news camera with a "Please find Caylee" or a "Help us find Caylee".

The two of them doing local and national interviews about what a wonderful mother Casey was, the things LE did or did not do in their investigation, the nanny stories, Casey is giving us a clue or talking in code blah, blah, blah have only added to the media circus around this case.

With all the motions JB filed, why the heck did he not file a motion for a GAG order against G & C? ETA - Oh wait a minute, he was doing local and national interviews too! How much of the $$$ paid to G & C have been paid to JB and Team?

jmo

morning all! des, iirc the state wanted a gag order and the defense fought it, isn't that correct?

as far as c&g - they did more to nail kc's coffin shut with all the lies and deception and publicity than kc did herself.

sydney

09-24-2009, 09:10 AM

I still think Casey has some connecting to Cindy and the money. Casey is Caylee's legal guardian and thus would have control over selling her image. The money trial may not not at Cindy. I think that's why Baez was present at the Ritz.

i'm not sure, but i would find it hard to believe they would allow a person accused of murdering another to profit off of that person. perhaps that only occurs if the accused is actually convicted, though.

whether g&c do it or kc does it, it's despicable to me.

Sun

09-24-2009, 09:13 AM

I try to imagine how different this entire case would be IF G and C would have said "no comment" or shoved a picture of Caylee in the front of every news camera with a "Please find Caylee" or a "Help us find Caylee".

The two of them doing local and national interviews about what a wonderful mother Casey was, the things LE did or did not do in their investigation, the nanny stories, Casey is giving us a clue or talking in code blah, blah, blah have only added to the media circus around this case.

With all the motions JB filed, why the heck did he not file a motion for a GAG order against G & C? ETA - Oh wait a minute, he was doing local and national interviews too! How much of the $$$ paid to G & C have been paid to JB and Team?

jmo

If the State is able to show that Casey's defense received $$$,$$$ from the licensing/sale of Caylee's pics/videos, then a jury may get to hear about this in the courtroom. At least I would hope that they would. It's an ugly picture, the accused murderer selling pics of the victim, to fund her defense.

sydney

09-24-2009, 09:16 AM

If the State is able to show that Casey's defense received $$$,$$$ from the licensing/sale of Caylee's pics/videos, then a jury may get to hear about this in the courtroom. At least I would hope that they would. It's an ugly picture, the accused murderer selling pics of the victim, to fund her defense.

i haven't had any coffee yet, so the synapses may not be firing right this morning.

wasn't there an in camera hearing where jb said he wasn't getting paid? if he is indeed receiving funds from the sale of caylee's image, i would think he perjured himself.

anyone?

Deannalynn

09-24-2009, 09:19 AM

His car was there this morning so I am not buying that they are mad at each other as of yet.

I don't think they will turn on each other quite yet. Especially before trial. Lee is suppose to be Cindy's rock and Lee would just say it would eventually come out, anyway.

Sun

09-24-2009, 09:29 AM

i haven't had any coffee yet, so the synapses may not be firing right this morning.

wasn't there an in camera hearing where jb said he wasn't getting paid? if he is indeed receiving funds from the sale of caylee's image, i would think he perjured himself.

anyone?

IIRC, Baez refused to discuss sale of images in the courtroom. He only made statements in regards to the "sale of Casey's story" and wanted the discussion of other things to be done behind closed doors out of the reach of the cameras.

We do know that Baez was in New York on August 14th on business for Casey (from the jail visitation video, I think). We just don't know the exact nature of this business.

Sun

09-24-2009, 09:37 AM

I have not been able to find the LE interview of Cindy's boss Debbie anywhere. There are two Debbie's at Cindy's old job, one her boss, and one her co-worker (Bennett?). I found the co-worker's interview, just not the one from her boss.

I did find a statement from LE, which summarized the boss's statement. It indicated that (in the weeks or months)before Casey left the home in June, George was extremely angry at Casey and they were fighting bigtime. And that Cindy was very upset due to this. Upset enough that her boss recommended that Cindy see a counselor through their work.

I would really like to read LE's interview of Cindy's boss, but can't find a link to it.

desmom

09-24-2009, 09:41 AM

morning all! des, iirc the state wanted a gag order and the defense fought it, isn't that correct?

as far as c&g - they did more to nail kc's coffin shut with all the lies and deception and publicity than kc did herself.

Yep last November and Cindy raised her hand to ask a question: pics 24-28 http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18145117/detail.html

Casey Anthony's Attorney Fights State's Gag Order Request
http://www.wftv.com/news/18141523/detail.html

slideshow: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18145117/detail.html

video (camera pans to Cindy & George at 53:15, George was talking to Cindy, 54:00 Cindy started playing with her hair and raised her hand) http://www.wftv.com/video/18147900/index.html

raw video:

sydney

09-24-2009, 09:50 AM

thanks, des! you da bomb!

sydney

09-24-2009, 09:51 AM

IIRC, Baez refused to discuss sale of images in the courtroom. He only made statements in regards to the "sale of Casey's story" and wanted the discussion of other things to be done behind closed doors out of the reach of the cameras.

We do know that Baez was in New York on August 14th on business for Casey (from the jail visitation video, I think). We just don't know the exact nature of this business.

splitting hairs, eh? i wonder what happened behind those closed doors.

marinewife5

09-24-2009, 09:52 AM

In my opinion NO ONE will turn on any one. Hard to believe me saying that huh??? HAHA....well

Like they always say....follow the money. Anyone that gets out of line will have the money dry up on them. Baez or Cindy is controlling the cash. If Lee or George get out of line...they will lose a TON of money. Cindy...the controlling b@#ch that she is is propbably pulling the strings.

George in the beginning said he did not like Baez...probably because the idea of a big payday came up and his morals could not take that. He should have been happy that SOMEONE was trying to save his daughter....but he said he did not like Baez......probably because he was informed of the money involved.

BAEZ and CINDY folks.....they are the puppet masters here....everything else is embroidery, really meant to keep the public at bay.

One last thing.......

Baez and Cindy are in this for the money.....which should be very obvious to anyone.

I really don't have a prolem with Baez trying to cash in..he was a low life before this....why should we be surprised now, I do have an issue with Cindy using the grieving grandparent theme all the way to the bank while she does it. They are beyond reprehensible and should be in prison with Casey. If any of us lied to a grand jury, obstructed justice, and lied to investigators....we would be in jail. OCSO has had to act politically correct to show that will not beat upon the head of a grieving grandma. Well I for one am tired of this.....and LE needs to hold the A's feet to the fire...Maybe this is the start of it....we will see

the only place i disagree with you is that i do believe they will turn on each other. right now it's just money at stake....and i think that's going to be seriously dwindling down to a light trickle. eventually it could be their freedom at stake, and that's a whole new set of rules....every man for himself. and there is no honor among thieves.

jmo

desmom

09-24-2009, 09:54 AM

thanks, des! you da bomb!

YW. :seeya:

O/T: Tylenol is doing a voluntary recall of some of their children formula products - http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=358843

breezie

09-24-2009, 10:06 AM

I don't think they will turn on each other quite yet. Especially before trial. Lee is suppose to be Cindy's rock and Lee would just say it would eventually come out, anyway.

How many freakin' rocks does Cindy need? She's got Dominic *The Rock* perjuring himself all over the place and now Lee? How's that working for them?:glare:

marinewife5

09-24-2009, 10:07 AM

I may agree with you...to a point.

The main question is when the money will dry up. And my feelings are that that will not happen untill a year after Casey is sentenced. Just a thought

i feel it will be much sooner than that....how much are these outlets willing to pay at this point? they've all been duped into giving softball interviews, cindy and george are known liars at this point, and new video and pictures of caylee are worthless (money wise). people are speaking....i wonder how many letters and emails tv shows and news outlets will get after last nights report gets passes around the internet?

jmo

anon-o-miss

09-24-2009, 10:13 AM

This may be just the break the State was waiting for the A's to turn on each other. Cindy won't go down alone or be willing to take the blame. She won't like being labeled a blood sucking granny willing to sell her granddaughters sole to the highest bidder.
I honestly don't think she cares how she's perceived... I believe everything she does is justified in her mind..

sydney

09-24-2009, 10:13 AM

How many freakin' rocks does Cindy need? She's got Dominic *The Rock* perjuring himself all over the place and now Lee? How's that working for them?:glare:

to me, it's strange that her son is her rock and not her spouse. dissin' george without words again.

jaxback

09-24-2009, 10:14 AM

I'm trying to wake up with my first cup of coffee and trying to catch up on what happened since yesterday, so please bear with my confusion.

Was it revealed that Cindy is getting paid for interviews about Caylee? And is that illegal if she is?

TIA

anon-o-miss

09-24-2009, 10:17 AM

I try to imagine how different this entire case would be IF G and C would have said "no comment" or shoved a picture of Caylee in the front of every news camera with a "Please find Caylee" or a "Help us find Caylee".

The two of them doing local and national interviews about what a wonderful mother Casey was, the things LE did or did not do in their investigation, the nanny stories, Casey is giving us a clue or talking in code blah, blah, blah have only added to the media circus around this case.

With all the motions JB filed, why the heck did he not file a motion for a GAG order against G & C? ETA - Oh wait a minute, he was doing local and national interviews too! How much of the $$$ paid to G & C have been paid to JB and Team?

jmo
IIRC didn't the prosecution want a gag order and JB and co. didn't?

Sun

09-24-2009, 10:29 AM

to me, it's strange that her son is her rock and not her spouse. dissin' george without words again.

I've gotten the impression that George & Cindy, and George & Casey, and Cindy & Casey were all having major issues and arguments in the months prior to Caylee's death. Big time issues. But, Cindy did try to keep much of this secret from most everyone. When I read the summary of Cindy's boss's LE interview, it revealed that there was some type of family crisis going on just prior to Caylee's death, enough so that her boss recommended that she speak with a counselor through her work.

sydney

09-24-2009, 10:31 AM

IIRC didn't the prosecution want a gag order and JB and co. didn't?

mornin, miss. i asked the same question and des posted the answer upthread.

the short answer is YES.

trich

09-24-2009, 10:32 AM

I have my doubts about the Anthonys turning on one another.
I think they are so intertwined with their lies and "mistruths" that
none of them can afford to throw the other to the wolves.
"Birds of a Feather".....
Now Baez I am sure may try to insinuate that one or more of them
killed Caylee instead of Casey but IMO that would mean Casey is covering for someone.......no way on this green earth Casey would
take the heat for another and anyone who would believe that tale
has got to be seriously disturbed themselves.
I do hope the rest of the world will realize what all of us here do....that the Anthonys are bottom feeders and nothing they say should be taken as truth.

anon-o-miss

09-24-2009, 10:36 AM

mornin, miss. i asked the same question and des posted the answer upthread.

the short answer is YES.
:seeya: Good morning.
:laugh: I noticed that after I posted:blushing:
I bet JB got a scolding from his superiors (AL & LKB) for that one.

desmom

09-24-2009, 10:38 AM

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 10:43 AM

anon-o-miss

09-24-2009, 10:44 AM

Casey Anthony: WESH explores value of paid-for information and highlights that Cindy receives money
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wesh-explores-value-of-paidfor-information-and-highlights-that-cindy-received-money.html
My two favorite quotes from the article are:
" For the public, the issue is simpler. Many people simply see it as wrong that the Anthonys have benefited in any way from the story of their granddaughter's death. To those observers, George and Cindy Anthony betrayed their granddaughter and obscured the truth. "
and...
" But what have the Anthonys done to merit such treatment? It's not like they have a movie or a book to promote. No, they just have a story to tell, one that has changed over the months. They also seem to like the spotlight too much."
Bolding mine for emphasis.

Barbara fl.

09-24-2009, 11:20 AM

Yes, the State wanted a gag order...Baez did not...that's because he would not have got his fat mug in front of the camera...look at all the publicity he has received through this...he has been on as many talk shows as the A's...maybe more...

Oh, he's loving every minute of it...this case has made him famous...he will probably pay Casey, or put some money in her account....

anon-o-miss

09-24-2009, 11:29 AM

Oh I think the general public already had their numbers a long time ago. I was wondering about the few who have defended them previously.

I recall NeJame saying if they made one penny off of Caylee he was out of there. I wonder what he thinks of them now?

I think he made it pretty clear how he felt about them when he removed himself as their attorney, and decided to represent Tim Miller.

Bala

09-24-2009, 11:31 AM

Casey Anthony: WESH explores value of paid-for information and highlights that Cindy receives money
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-wesh-explores-value-of-paidfor-information-and-highlights-that-cindy-received-money.html
I think that's why it's so important that shows like 48 hours and their sponsor be boycotted. It is the only way that they will get the message that the people will no longer support anyone making money off the spilt blood of a innocent child including them. We will no longer be fooled by the licensing fee crap. If the Anthony's truly wanted Caylee's story out there they would do it for free. Instead the networks pay them thousands of $$ for lies and half truths and you can bet some of that money is helping pay Casey's defense team.

Sun

09-24-2009, 11:32 AM

And we thought that we were rough on Cindy????

a comment to Hal's artice....

"Personally I think Cindy Anthony deserves the needle even more than Casey. I mean cant she do the world a favor and get hit by a truck or something? Sheesh I am sick of the mouth on that miserable excuse for a woman.

The only real solace we will all will have is seeing the smirks wiped off all of that familys faces when Casey gets that little pin prick and departs this planet for good.

Maybe she can host a hot body contest in Hell huh?"

WOW....thnk people are starting to get what we have been yelling about for the past year?????

The defense is probably now going to want to amend their COV again, just so they can include this in their EXHIBITS that are attached to that motion.

cassidy

09-24-2009, 11:33 AM

desmom

09-24-2009, 11:34 AM

did you read the comments below... ouch

Thanks! One of the comments included a link to http://www.j2sc.com/

Check out the lst picture under "Who We Are". Does he look familiar? Here is a close up http://www.j2sc.com/jiml.htm

No? Maybe these will help: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20491731/detail.html ?

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 11:37 AM

Thanks! One of the comments included a link to http://www.j2sc.com/

Check out the lst picture under "Who We Are". Does he look familiar? Here is a close up http://www.j2sc.com/jiml.htm

No? Maybe these will help: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20491731/detail.html ?

Yes, that's him Jim Lichtenstein...

desmom

09-24-2009, 11:46 AM

Oh we knew about him for a long time. He and Cindy are so palsy walsy that they often share a few laughs before court begins.

I have seen his name on the boards, but did not realize he was co-founder of a media training company. Their home page reports they provide 2 trainers for the cost of one. Is he hanging out with G & C as a media trainer or a reporter?

If he is acting as a media trainer, I bet he told Cindy she had to leave the hammer in the garage. :tonguewag:

jmo

trich

09-24-2009, 11:47 AM

It's about time someone had the guts to expose the A's for what they really are.

Hal B.....you are a stand-up guy.

Maybe now the general public will see these creatures for what they really are

SNIPPED.
Bolding mine.
Along with my wish for Casey to be convicted that is my next wish.

cassidy

09-24-2009, 11:50 AM

Oh we knew about him for a long time. He and Cindy are so palsy walsy that they often share a few laughs before court begins.

He can't be much of a media trainer if he hasn't caught on that this isn't a laughing matter. If he and Cindy need to giggle together they should do it somewhere other than the courtroom.

JMO

desmom

09-24-2009, 11:50 AM

Licensing Fees Bring Money To Anthonys
Networks Pay For Video, Pictures Used In Interviews
http://www.wesh.com/news/21101165/detail.html

Article includes a Poll. :thumbsup:

anon-o-miss

09-24-2009, 11:50 AM

I think that's why it's so important that shows like 48 hours and their sponsor be boycotted. It is the only way that they will get the message that the people will no longer support anyone making money off the spilt blood of a innocent child including them. We will no longer be fooled by the licensing fee crap. If the Anthony's truly wanted Caylee's story out there they would do it for free. Instead the networks pay them thousands of $$ for lies and half truths and you can bet some of that money is helping pay Casey's defense team.

(bolding mine)
Ita!!!!! I know I would sell, beg, borrow, to find my missing child (or grandchild if I am ever fortunate enough to have them,) and yet here these people are using the vicious murder and dumping of their only grandchild, to keep themselves in tacky baubles and knee deep in crab puffs. What do they do with the time they are so graciously given to talk about that precious baby??? They use the entire time to lie, and defend their murderous daughter.
If they truly believed in their daughters innocence, (I know, I know, if being the operative word, and we know they don't) why don't they spend that time begging for information on the real killers? If they really feel an injustice has been done that compunds the grief they (should) feel, why aren't they giving out every clue they can on this rich, roving, nanny brigade? Why waste it prepping the potential jury pool, and fishing for suckers to line their pockets? What better way to set your daughter free and make beaucoup bucks? Can you imagine the movie deals that would roll in for the innocent mother freed because the real killers were found? It's ridiculous!!!!!:cursing: Looking for Caylee never seemed to be priority #1. Now looking for justice for her isn't either.
:crying:

desmom

09-24-2009, 11:52 AM

did you notice the comment about being mic'd up at the re baptisim. Guess they are not fooling the church goers either... Now I am more covinced then ever that it was a documentary they were filming on the block.. not too sure it is part of 48 hrs.. JMO

If she was mic'd up for a family video, fine.

If she was mic'd up for a tv show, tacky.

jmo

SoggyBayou

09-24-2009, 11:53 AM

Yes, that's him Jim Lichtenstein...

The Illinois connection. [ALyons]
IMO

Sun

09-24-2009, 12:00 PM

Good morning, everyone! :seeya:

Thank you so much, desmom, for the link to the state's motion.

I like the state's motion and I am very interested to see how this plays out in court.

I wonder if we will get a doc dump today, or if we will hear if Judge Strickland has set a court date yet for the fraud trial? I hope we get some new news on this case very soon!

I wish that I knew more about the procedures/timeframes in getting a pre-trial and trial date set for the criminal check/fraud case. Maybe Kat or Lapis or someone familiar with this process can educate me. I am confused about how long it could/should take (business or calendar days), in addition to how/when the public might have access to the set dates by way of the Clerk of Courts records. :confused:

It has been 14 business days since Judge Strickland filed his ruling with the Clerk of Courts.

cassidy

09-24-2009, 12:06 PM

Looks like Jim is the booking producer for the show on 48 hours

http://www.film.com/tv/dateline-nbc/season-18-2008/episode-2-when-caylee-vanished/25438473

I had forgotten that 48 hrs did a previous show on Caylee. "When Caylee Vanished" So that's what they were calling it huh? A vanishing? Caylee just up and went poof and no one had a clue, except her mamma , of course.

JMO

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 12:08 PM

I wonder if that guy Jim has worked with Lyons in the past.....let me do some searchin'

It's possible...but IIRC...it was Terrence Lemonhead:biggrin: who recommended AL to JB...

desmom

09-24-2009, 12:10 PM

I had forgotten that 48 hrs did a previous show on Caylee. "When Caylee Vanished" So that's what they were calling it huh? A vanishing? Caylee just up and went poof and no one had a clue, except her mamma , of course.

JMO

Show aired December 12, 2008 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28159418/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/

anon-o-miss

09-24-2009, 12:21 PM

I was trying to look up the correct term for women that kill their children, (I still didn't find it, so if someone could enlighten me I would appreciate it) and I came across this article. I don't know when it was written because it's not making references to this particular case. However, it has some really good points.
This one really stuck out to me:
" Korbin says there are usually clues that are obvious to those around parents who end up killing their children. "Prior to a homicide, lots of lay people know these men and women are having difficulty parenting." "
(bolding mine)
I think that is especially true in this case. Her friends say she was an ok mother but even they acknowledge that Cindy did most of the mothering. I don't think any of them really believed she had the fabulous job she was claiming to have. I just think that they were used to her little fantasies and didn't see the need to challenge her on it. It's always slipping out that Cindy and/ or George had Caylee 90% of the time. I also think that when she told them Caylee was going to the nannies, it was mostly when Casey knew they would be sleeping away from home that way she could say, "Oh the nanny said Caylee was sleep so no need to wake her I'll be home tomorrow toodles."
E.T.A Here's the link BTW:lol:
http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 12:29 PM

I promised myself a private, personal little giggle for yesterday, and then totally forgot the date. Todd Macaluso should have had his hearing on swiping money from clients' funds Sept. 23. Anybody hear anything on results of that? Or even if it went through without a delay?

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=133009

Go to bottom and click on pdf Documents...

cassidy

09-24-2009, 12:37 PM

Bolding by me....

Even if JB does not get one red cent from Casey or the Anthony's, the publicity that this case has generated is priceless. He is now considered a "high profile" defense attorney and after this case is over his earning potential will sky rocket exponentially. He will be able to take on high profile cases now where the defendant will be able to pay him, and he can potentially go on to be a TH on the talk show circuit and possibly cut some sort of book deal himself. They are all in this for the money

Well I'm telling ya, if I were invloved in a high profile case and he stepped forward, I'd run for the hills as quickly as I could. :chicken::chicken::scared:

cassidy

09-24-2009, 12:40 PM

You are "really" the best, Really, pun intended!:tongueside: You give us so many interesting little tidbits of information that we wouldn't be privy to otherwise!

And as soon as she gets that chili recipe, she'll be invaluable :) GO REALLY GO!!!!!!!!!!!

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 12:40 PM

Thanks, but the only things I see are the original charges and Todd's whiny response. The last I knew it should have gone to court yesterday, but I can't find anything new on what happened.

I'd love to see him get at the very least a good slapping for this.

From what they have there...I would say nothing has come of it yet. I would assume if something happens they will post that too.

sydney

09-24-2009, 12:52 PM

flexing my talented "stating the obvious" muscle here.

now we ALL know why the defense fought the gag order, don't we?

waaay back in the beginning, the a's saw the money making potential of poor caylee's demise. dollar signs danced before their eyes. how awful that caylee was surrounded by people (her immediate family) who didn't give a rat's behind about her ever in her short life.

i guess they don't believe in "money is the root of all evil", huh?

Imperfect4

09-24-2009, 12:52 PM

I so agree w/you. Let's not forget all the money Cindy can make on potential book deals and movie deals. She will be set for life.:sneaky:

As completely disturbing as it is to think about, I believe you're absolutely right. The Anthonys will be set for life.

sydney

09-24-2009, 12:53 PM

Thanks for passing that comment along, Mac. Wow, that poster is right on the mark.:thumbup: Yes, I hope this latest bit of news exposes the Anthony's for what they are.

i don't think kc is particularly attractive or has a hot body but i guess in hell that wouldn't matter - everyone's body would be hot, no?

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 12:59 PM

http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/dockets/dockets.aspx

I found this on Todd Macaluso

Put in his name and you can get the updates...there are 3 cases listed...the disciplinary one is the first one I believe.

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:03 PM

breezie

09-24-2009, 01:07 PM

http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/sbc_generic.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0617989619.125380 8110@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadeiefghfgfcfngcfkmdffidfng.0&cid=13483&id=23390

This explains the Alternate Discipline Program

So the fact that he was referred there...does it mean he has a substance abuse problem? I'm not sure I understand this. Anybody?

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:08 PM

http://www.wesh.com/video/21102498/index.html

Licensing Fees Bring Money To Anthonys

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:11 PM

So the fact that he was referred there...does it mean he has a substance abuse problem? I'm not sure I understand this. Anybody?

Think that's what the hearing is about...it was the last thing listed under the case...don't know if he has to go to this as yet...but maybe.

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:13 PM

The Alternative Discipline Program addresses the substance abuse and mental health problems of attorneys against whom formal disciplinary proceedings have been initiated in the State Bar Court.

I say mental...what say you???...:biggrin:

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:16 PM

Macaluso, Todd E

The case entered is associated with lead case number 06-O-14552.

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Case Name: Macaluso, Todd E Case Number: 06-O-14552
Member #: 133009 Venue: LA
Status: Evaluation for ADP Case Filed: 01/23/2009
Counsel: David C. Carr Deputy Trial Counsel: Charles A. Murray
Assigned Judge: Richard Platel

Date Description Notes
09/23/2009 Alternative Discipline Program Conferenc
09/22/2009 Pretrial Conference NOT HELD,REFERRED TO PROGRAM

It looks like he was referred to the program...

Numbers

09-24-2009, 01:21 PM

http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/sbc_generic.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0617989619.125380 8110@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadeiefghfgfcfngcfkmdffidfng.0&cid=13483&id=23390

This explains the Alternate Discipline Program

Catching up here....

From your link:

Recognizing its obligation to protect the public, the courts and the legal profession, the State Bar Court retains jurisdiction over those attorneys in LAP who have pending disciplinary proceedings and makes all appropriate judicial decisions, including any determination regarding the attorney's eligibility to practice law while participating in LAP.

Again, how might this affect his participation in FL???

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:24 PM

You are ***wonderful***!!!

9/22/09 Pretrial Conference (Notes: Not held; referred to program)

9/23/09 Alternative Discipline Program Conference

Looks like Todd got off with going to the lawyer's equivalent of AA or Driving School. I hope it stays on his permanent record. :sneaky:

Sooooooooo, would/will this affect his acceptance by the FL Bar?

I guess they didn't disbar him...so???

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:27 PM

Catching up here....

From your link:

Recognizing its obligation to protect the public, the courts and the legal profession, the State Bar Court retains jurisdiction over those attorneys in LAP who have pending disciplinary proceedings and makes all appropriate judicial decisions, including any determination regarding the attorney's eligibility to practice law while participating in LAP.

Again, how might this affect his participation in FL???

They didn't say...wonder if it will be awhile till we hear...this was just yesterday...If he goes into the program...I would assume they will wait till he is in it or done with it before they make a determination???

Peter

09-24-2009, 01:30 PM

morning!!

Just saw the live report on WESH...nothing up yet, but the report says that Cindy took BIG bucks from the networks and that Lee was offered money but did not take any.....Also that Kronk was paid $20,000 for the picture of the rattlesnake......

We all knew this already.......but know it is in the open and gives the general public more reasons to hate Cindy.

So that is some good news!!!

Thats why Baez fought for no GAG order; Any real defense Atty. would want nothing more than a gag.
Its all worked out. Cindy cant sell the pIc's without Caseys permission. Casey gives permission with stipulation of paying some to Baez, and for her twizzlers.
They really are unbelievable! Blood money.

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:32 PM

Maybe JB and AL will say that Todd M was not in his right mind when he made that statement in court about having proof that KC was in jail when Caylee's body was dumped.

Peter

09-24-2009, 01:34 PM

Good morning everyone!

I was relistening to old youtube videos yesterday, and here is one with BConway saying that "he doesn't see a downside" with Cindy and George visiting with Casey, even if it is video taped and released to the public (around the 5:30 minute mark). ....Cindy and George's own attorney saying this seems to be in conflict with the defense's latest motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHi7h72JCDk&feature=PlayList&p=0F0F756E215C9242&index=0

My bold; He doesnt see a downside because he is not a shrink.
They all have extreme personality orders and are not able to mimick normal peoples emotions and behavior no matter how hard they try.

Numbers

09-24-2009, 01:36 PM

They didn't say...wonder if it will be awhile till we hear...this was just yesterday...If he goes into the program...I would assume they will wait till he is in it or done with it before they make a determination???

They might wait to determine if they will disbar him but what about

Recognizing its obligation to protect the public, the courts and the legal profession, the State Bar Court retains jurisdiction over those attorneys in LAP who have pending disciplinary proceedings and makes all appropriate judicial decisions, including any determination regarding the attorney's eligibility to practice law while participating in LAP.

Bala

09-24-2009, 01:44 PM

Looks like Jim is the booking producer for the show on 48 hours

http://www.film.com/tv/dateline-nbc/season-18-2008/episode-2-when-caylee-vanished/25438473
This says he's the booking producer for Dateline not 48 hours.

cassidy

09-24-2009, 01:52 PM

This says he's the booking producer for Dateline not 48 hours.

You're right. Guess they are going for both?

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 01:54 PM

9/23/2009 A AMENDED NOTICE TAKING DEPO FILED

Murder case

cassidy

09-24-2009, 01:59 PM

As completely disturbing as it is to think about, I believe you're absolutely right. The Anthonys will be set for life.

Interesting that they aren't using the proceeds for the Casey Defense Fund. They DO think she is innocent, don't they? :wink:

apothecary

09-24-2009, 02:02 PM

So true! The media has a big hand in this by paying their "licensing fees" in order to get these interviews. They are so worried that another network will get the big story or the latest scoop before them. The media is as much to blame for this situation as the players are in this case. Shame on all of them.:thumbdown:
The media would not do this if the public was not interested.I must say that Cindy was so right when she said that Caylee was Casey's best mistake

Sun

09-24-2009, 02:04 PM

9/23/2009 A AMENDED NOTICE TAKING DEPO FILED

Murder case

Someone please refresh my memory. The State was wanting to take two depos, wasn't one of them DCasey? I can't remember the other.

breezie

09-24-2009, 02:07 PM

Someone please refresh my memory. The State was wanting to take two depos, wasn't one of them DCasey? I can't remember the other.

Mally-Bu. Mallory Parker. Lee's girlfriend.

cassidy

09-24-2009, 02:07 PM

If they don't blow all the money themselves, they will be sure to blow it on behalf of Casey and an unwinnable case. How ironic that Casey may be the one to suck them dry when she is behind bars just like she did when she was free. The only difference is that Casey robbed them blind before, now they are most likely willingly squandering their money on her.

They aren't financially responsible for Casey. Her "dream team" is in place wihout their funding. IMO they are going to hang on to their "windfall".

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 02:08 PM

Someone please refresh my memory. The State was wanting to take two depos, wasn't one of them DCasey? I can't remember the other.

Lee's girlfriend Mally-bu...

Bala

09-24-2009, 02:11 PM

They aren't financially responsible for Casey. Her "dream team" is in place wihout their funding. IMO they are going to hang on to their "windfall".

I still think that their windfall in based on a deal they cut with Casey and Baez to earn money for them and pay Casey's legal bills. Don't forget Caylee was Casey's daughter she would control her state which would include her name and image.

sydney

09-24-2009, 02:15 PM

Interesting that they aren't using the proceeds for the Casey Defense Fund. They DO think she is innocent, don't they? :wink:

yeah, but two things:

it's none of their business how she pays for her defense - just like it was none of their business how she paid the invisinanny

the other is - why pay for something kc is getting for free from the state of florida?

Bala

09-24-2009, 02:19 PM

I didn't think Baez asked the State for any money at least not yet.

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 02:20 PM

sydney

09-24-2009, 02:21 PM

I didn't think Baez asked the State for any money at least not yet.

i guess he knows how to really stretch that $5k retainer, huh?

i am confident he will be asking though

neid_77

09-24-2009, 02:25 PM

i guess he knows how to really stretch that $5k retainer, huh?

i am confident he will be asking though

havn't the people of orlando shuffled out enough money for this OC!! Is the pocket book of the state bottomless pit...why would you want to pay for an incompetent lawyer at the least I tell you the city of Orlando has alot of investment in this case...Every tax payer i would be so livid if i had to give a dime to this defense team..in which i do not support with a shred of my being! if by some satanic miracle this girl get's off to bad for her..can you imagine the outrage of the good people of olrando...knowing there money helped this woman's defense team get her to be a free woman again...the thought alone!:crying:

seeing_eye

09-24-2009, 02:31 PM

And we thought that we were rough on Cindy????

a comment to Hal's artice....

"Personally I think Cindy Anthony deserves the needle even more than Casey. I mean cant she do the world a favor and get hit by a truck or something? Sheesh I am sick of the mouth on that miserable excuse for a woman.

The only real solace we will all will have is seeing the smirks wiped off all of that familys faces when Casey gets that little pin prick and departs this planet for good.

Maybe she can host a hot body contest in Hell huh?"

WOW....thnk people are starting to get what we have been yelling about for the past year?????

I think one of the comments inferred that Cindy had been wearing a body mic during her re-baptism for a documentary.

ETA: I wonder if that's true?

summer

09-24-2009, 02:39 PM

I still think that their windfall in based on a deal they cut with Casey and Baez to earn money for them and pay Casey's legal bills. Don't forget Caylee was Casey's daughter she would control her state which would include her name and image.

This is my thinking too, Bala. Here's how I think it went: The first early $200,000 "licensing fees" went straight into Baez's pocket - the A's probably had bookings immediately following (as a matter of fact there were several scheduled right on top of each other. They had People Mag, and several early show appearances that used photos, vids. IMO they used portions of the second, third, etc. for themselves and still do.

This got Casey's defense rolling with the promise from Baez (or their own dealings) that future money was coming in from another source (and I think this other source is either a network or a player from another media outlet - I don't think it's an independent documentary producer because docs just don't have that kind of money to pay and it's not some mythical rich person in Connecticut who just wants to help a poor murder defendant and her dispicable family).

One thing I wish would've happened is if all this had been reported early on when it first started. They began with paid appearances merely hours after Casey was arrested the first time. Not to mention the pleas for donations, the tip jars set up at malls, the T-shirt sales, etc.

Time has passed and it's shocking, but not quite as shocking as it would've been at the get-go, when they were supposedly frantic looking for their granddaughter. It would've packed a real punch -- Still, I'll take it.

summer

09-24-2009, 02:40 PM

I think one of the comments inferred that Cindy had been wearing a body mic during her re-baptism for a documentary.

ETA: I wonder if that's true?

I read that too at the time and it's certainly in character for these folks.

cherish

09-24-2009, 02:44 PM

And we thought that we were rough on Cindy????

a comment to Hal's artice....

"Personally I think Cindy Anthony deserves the needle even more than Casey. I mean cant she do the world a favor and get hit by a truck or something? Sheesh I am sick of the mouth on that miserable excuse for a woman.

The only real solace we will all will have is seeing the smirks wiped off all of that familys faces when Casey gets that little pin prick and departs this planet for good.

Maybe she can host a hot body contest in Hell huh?"

WOW....thnk people are starting to get what we have been yelling about for the past year?????

I say they should save the state the cost of appeals and lock up Cindy and Casey in the same cell.

Cindy will strangle Casey in no time.

need2no

09-24-2009, 02:46 PM

i guess he knows how to really stretch that $5k retainer, huh?

i am confident he will be asking though

It's my understanding that a Public Defender is appointed by the Judge.
You know how when they read your miranda rights it states:

You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.

I assume you must prove you can't afford to pay for an attorney, but I'm not certain about that.

Based on what we've heard, casey picked Baez, (and possibly paid him a retainer of 5K), so I don't understand how he/casey can later petition the court to pay, or assist with paying any of her legal fees.

Also there is a cap on legal 'experts', and on the fees paid to them which is governed by the courts when the State is paying the legal fees. The court can also refuse to pay certain experts if they deem their testimony is not warranted or necessary. It wouldn't be right or make sense to me for casey to have this team of experts at her/Baez's choosing, and then turn around and ask the State to pay for them. If this were to occur in this case, casey would be getting much more than other inmates who had their PD appointed by the court, and had to get approval for any expert testimony.

Maybe Katprint will explain this.

summer

09-24-2009, 02:49 PM

It's my understanding that a Public Defender is appointed by the Judge.
You know how when they read your miranda rights it states:

You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.

I assume you must prove you can't afford to pay for an attorney, but I'm not certain about that.

Based on what we've heard, casey picked Baez, (and possibly paid him a retainer of 5K), so I don't understand how he/casey can later petition the court to pay, or assist with paying any of her legal fees.

Also there is a cap on legal 'experts', and on the fees paid to them which is governed by the courts when the State is paying the legal fees. The court can also refuse to pay certain experts if they deem their testimony is not warranted or necessary. It wouldn't be right or make sense to me for casey to have this team of experts at her/Baez's choosing, and then turn around and ask the State to pay for them. If this were to occur in this case, casey would be getting much more than other inmates who had their PD appointed by the court, and had to get approval for any expert testimony.

Maybe Katprint will explain this.

IIRC didn't Scott Peterson's defense start out paid and then when the money ran out Geragos petitioned and got state funds to continue. Something about not prejudicing the defendant in the midst of a case when an attorney is already invested with a client. I'm sure that started out as a noble idea but seems ripe for abuse -- like in the Anthony case where it could be a scheme from the git-go. IMO.

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 02:53 PM

My understanding is KC hired Baez (retainer) whether money changed hands or not...if she is declared indigent at a later date...she can still keep ALL her attorney's but they must agree to a certain amount of compensation from the state.

Imperfect4

09-24-2009, 02:53 PM

I say they should save the state the cost of appeals and lock up Cindy and Casey in the same cell.

Cindy will strangle Casey in no time.

Now THAT would be a show I'd actually pay to see. :thumbup:

need2no

09-24-2009, 02:55 PM

IIRC didn't Scott Peterson's defense start out paid and then when the money ran out Geragos petitioned and got state funds to continue. Something about not prejudicing the defendant in the midst of a case when an attorney is already invested with a client. I'm sure that started out as a noble idea but seems ripe for abuse -- like in the Anthony case where it could be a scheme from the git-go. IMO.

BBM

Exactly...give Baez a meager sum of money to get the case rolling, hire all these high dollar experts to assist with no cap on their fees or time, and then hit the State up to pay everybody. I hope the State can still impose a limit to the amount of money they could be paid. Of course Baez and team expect to be paid in other ways such a publicity, interviews in the future, perhaps book, movie deals, etc. so I guess it all works out for them. Boy this burns me up!

KittyMom

09-24-2009, 02:55 PM

I've heard.....that she may have already tried.

2w4u

:laugh:

I think they both tried to off each other. Remember that interview Cindy did the morning after Casey was charged with murder? Cindy had some marks on her that looked like she'd been in a cat fight.

sydney

09-24-2009, 03:00 PM

But she sure as hell doesn't want to be mic-ed up under oath at the deposition, did she. When it counts, she doesn't want to be heard.

BINGO! remember on one of her earliest statements to le she tried to say (at the very end) that she didn't realize she was being recorded and got all flustered over it?

Bala

09-24-2009, 03:01 PM

Well, I know it was Cindy who trademarked Caylee's name...Did KC turn over all photo, video...etc. rights to Cindy...If so, Cindy is under no obligation to give KC any money for anything...So far as I know the A's have never paid anyone for anything they have done including DC...that being said...I think C&G will keep all the money for themselves.
Remember the meeting at the Ritz with the ABC people Baez was there for a reason and I believe that was Casey stake in the money being made and fed to him.

sydney

09-24-2009, 03:02 PM

IIRC didn't Scott Peterson's defense start out paid and then when the money ran out Geragos petitioned and got state funds to continue. Something about not prejudicing the defendant in the midst of a case when an attorney is already invested with a client. I'm sure that started out as a noble idea but seems ripe for abuse -- like in the Anthony case where it could be a scheme from the git-go. IMO.

that's what i recall, too. i believe just because you start paying for an attorney and run out of money, you can't be prejudiced by being forced to take a public defender, instead of an attorney you've already chosen and has done work on your case.

i'll defer to kat or lapis on this one, of course.

summer

09-24-2009, 03:06 PM

Bala

09-24-2009, 03:09 PM

summer

09-24-2009, 03:10 PM

It should be pretty easy for any decent investigative reporter to come up with a figure the Anthonys have made from media appearances alone. I think it's coming close to a million dollars (if not exceeding). I know they can't guesstimate the donation money but the rest should be easy to find. Bet they haven't laid out the specifics. I hope it all comes out eventually - every dirty little dollar.

summer

09-24-2009, 03:11 PM

Does the State take into consideration the amount already paid to these lawyers before giving them more?

I don't think so, Bala. And as an aside, Geragos got a huge amount of money from the State. Way way above what a federal defender would make. What would be fair is to compensate a private attorney at the same rate as a PD when the money runs out from their client, but they don't. They get a heck of a lot more.

sydney

09-24-2009, 03:12 PM

Does the State take into consideration the amount already paid to these lawyers before giving them more?

i'm wondering how they could figure how much he's been paid already? wouldn't that mean baez has to divulge the source of the funds? can he just stand there and say "i got paid, but the money ran out so i need to be paid from the state now?"

inquiring minds want to know.

summer

09-24-2009, 03:17 PM

i'm wondering how they could figure how much he's been paid already? wouldn't that mean baez has to divulge the source of the funds? can he just stand there and say "i got paid, but the money ran out so i need to be paid from the state now?"

inquiring minds want to know.

HAHA, excellent question!!! It's a squirrely one for sure but since he hasn't asked for state funds yet (and maybe never will) he's safe for now.

Sun

09-24-2009, 03:19 PM

summer

09-24-2009, 03:21 PM

I think that you are correct on this. Just look back at Baez's earlier murder case trial.... before the end of that trial, he was hitting the court up for $$$$$.

Nilton Diaz --- other murder case of Baez's.
http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=78899567%2 0%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20

Wow. Why am I not surprised he has a history of manipulating the state for funds! I bet at some point these laws will have to change.

apothecary

09-24-2009, 03:26 PM

Is anyone besides me actually disturbed or even frightened by the depth of their own hatred for this family? :unsure:
Me too.I think it is the belligerent attitude even when Casey is so obviously guilty that just gets me going.Also when Casey acts like a movie star and not a cold blooded killer is just rots me.:cursing:

sydney

09-24-2009, 03:30 PM

ya then she can stuff her under the mattress and say shes missing!

nah. she'll say the invisi-guard kidnapped casey after knocking cindy down in the exercise area. but she'll wait 31 days to tell anyone and when anyone asks where kc is, cindy'll just say stuff like "in the bath room, in the weight room, in the showers, etc"

Sun

09-24-2009, 03:41 PM

I haven't read any of these money articles yet but I bet they still haven't exposed the depravity and greed of the Anthony's. Just knowing they mention Kronk's 20,000 in the same breath as the A's monetary gain means the story is being softened. Hope I'm wrong. Guess I should go read.

Kronk receiving $20,000 doesn't bother me one little bit. He persisted in bringing Caylee's location to the attention of the authorities. My prayers were answered that day.

Since I fully believe that the Anthonys all knew there whereabouts of Caylee, and DIDN'T notify LE of it, IMO their actions showed me what type of love they had for Caylee.

summer

09-24-2009, 03:52 PM

Kronk receiving $20,000 doesn't bother me one little bit. He persisted in bringing Caylee's location to the attention of the authorities. My prayers were answered that day.

Since I fully believe that the Anthonys all knew there whereabouts of Caylee, and DIDN'T notify LE of it, IMO their actions showed me what type of love they had for Caylee.

ITA. Kronk deserved a huge reward. If it wasn't for him we'd still be seeing pics of little girls in malls and hearing the A's screeching ad nauseum. Can you imagine.

Kronk is my hero. He hasn't gotten the kind of credit he deserves. Let him find a 100 more snakes and get paid for them - fine by me.

marinewife5

09-24-2009, 03:59 PM

ITA. Kronk deserved a huge reward. If it wasn't for him we'd still be seeing pics of little girls in malls and hearing the A's screeching ad nauseum. Can you imagine.

Kronk is my hero. He hasn't gotten the kind of credit he deserves. Let him find a 100 more snakes and get paid for them - fine by me.

and he's certainly not exploiting his dead granddaughter to make money so he can sit home.

jmo

Katprint

09-24-2009, 04:08 PM

that's what i recall, too. i believe just because you start paying for an attorney and run out of money, you can't be prejudiced by being forced to take a public defender, instead of an attorney you've already chosen and has done work on your case.

i'll defer to kat or lapis on this one, of course.
What I have personally seen - although it has not happened in any of the cases in which I have personally been involved - is situations where an indigent defendant's family ponied up the money to hire a private attorney for a certain amount of money. Then, the private attorney developed some good legal defenses requiring further investigation which the defendant could not afford. In particular, a defendant may have a history of learning defects in his school records, which may reflect organic brain disease supporting a defense of diminished capacity and/or leniency in sentencing. Alternatively, maybe an important alibi witness was a active member of the military and his unit has recently been deployed to Afghanistan. So, the private attorney asks the court for funding for the necessary medical expert, including diagnostic testing, or to take depositions in Afghanistan, or whatever. Sometimes the court will appoint an independent expert at the court's expense. More commonly, the court will order the Public Defender's office to be joined as co-counsel, and then the Public Defender's office arranges for necessary medical experts, diagnostic medical testing, foreign depositions, etc.

What I have never seen is any private attorney be awarded additional attorneys fees because their initial retainer was inadequate. If the retainer has been exhausted (or was funded with a hot check) and the attorney is not being paid as promised, the attorney can ask the court for permission to withdraw. If the client is indigent, the Public Defender steps in and takes over the case.

Criminal defendants have a right to an attorney, and if they cannot afford an attorney then the court appoints one for them i.e. a public defender. Criminal defendants do not necessarily have a right to the attorney of their choice (this has been extensively litigated in the context of criminal defendants who become unhappy with their particular assigned public defender and also in the context of defense attorneys who are recused from a case over their client's objections) nor to have the government pay for the attorney of their choice.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

summer

09-24-2009, 04:15 PM

What I have personally seen - although it has not happened in any of the cases in which I have personally been involved - is situations where an indigent defendant's family ponied up the money to hire a private attorney for a certain amount of money. Then, the private attorney developed some good legal defenses requiring further investigation which the defendant could not afford. In particular, a defendant may have a history of learning defects in his school records, which may reflect organic brain disease supporting a defense of diminished capacity and/or leniency in sentencing. Alternatively, maybe an important alibi witness was a active member of the military and his unit has recently been deployed to Afghanistan. So, the private attorney asks the court for funding for the necessary medical expert, including diagnostic testing, or to take depositions in Afghanistan, or whatever. Sometimes the court will appoint an independent expert at the court's expense. More commonly, the court will order the Public Defender's office to be joined as co-counsel, and then the Public Defender's office arranges for necessary medical experts, diagnostic medical testing, foreign depositions, etc.

What I have never seen is any private attorney be awarded additional attorneys fees because their initial retainer was inadequate. If the retainer has been exhausted (or was funded with a hot check) and the attorney is not being paid as promised, the attorney can ask the court for permission to withdraw. If the client is indigent, the Public Defender steps in and takes over the case.

Criminal defendants have a right to an attorney, and if they cannot afford an attorney then the court appoints one for them i.e. a public defender. Criminal defendants do not necessarily have a right to the attorney of their choice (this has been extensively litigated in the context of criminal defendants who become unhappy with their particular assigned public defender and also in the context of defense attorneys who are recused from a case over their client's objections) nor to have the government pay for the attorney of their choice.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks for that info, Katprint. That's what I always thought, and what seems to be fair... until the Scott Peterson case came around and it seemed Geragos was compensated very well simply because the family money ran out and he was knee-deep in the case already. It does ring a bell that he was joined by a PD, vaguely, but still I'm pretty sure he was compensated based on what his rate was in the private sector. It was less than his rate but still way more than a PD.

Do you know anything about that particular situation? Thanks!

Numbers

09-24-2009, 04:17 PM

What I have personally seen - although it has not happened in any of the cases in which I have personally been involved - is situations where an indigent defendant's family ponied up the money to hire a private attorney for a certain amount of money. Then, the private attorney developed some good legal defenses requiring further investigation which the defendant could not afford. In particular, a defendant may have a history of learning defects in his school records, which may reflect organic brain disease supporting a defense of diminished capacity and/or leniency in sentencing. Alternatively, maybe an important alibi witness was a active member of the military and his unit has recently been deployed to Afghanistan. So, the private attorney asks the court for funding for the necessary medical expert, including diagnostic testing, or to take depositions in Afghanistan, or whatever. Sometimes the court will appoint an independent expert at the court's expense. More commonly, the court will order the Public Defender's office to be joined as co-counsel, and then the Public Defender's office arranges for necessary medical experts, diagnostic medical testing, foreign depositions, etc.

What I have never seen is any private attorney be awarded additional attorneys fees because their initial retainer was inadequate. If the retainer has been exhausted (or was funded with a hot check) and the attorney is not being paid as promised, the attorney can ask the court for permission to withdraw. If the client is indigent, the Public Defender steps in and takes over the case.

Criminal defendants have a right to an attorney, and if they cannot afford an attorney then the court appoints one for them i.e. a public defender. Criminal defendants do not necessarily have a right to the attorney of their choice (this has been extensively litigated in the context of criminal defendants who become unhappy with their particular assigned public defender and also in the context of defense attorneys who are recused from a case over their client's objections) nor to have the government pay for the attorney of their choice.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Never gonna happen. Never. Gonna. Happen.

Baez will pay Casey before he lets go of this hot potato.

Thanks for the fine explanation, Kat!

kakax

09-24-2009, 09:58 PM

Hey guys! Hope your day was good.

Im checking the news sites to see if anything happened today!

Maybe doc dump tom? Let's hope.:thumbsup:

kakax

09-24-2009, 10:07 PM

I don't think so it is not Friday

Tomorrow is Friday I thought? Am I nuts?

BettyC

09-24-2009, 10:19 PM

and we're still waiting for a date for the check fraud trial. I thought Judge Strickland would set a date by now.

Julie Dupree

09-24-2009, 10:30 PM

and we're still waiting for a date for the check fraud trial. I thought Judge Strickland would set a date by now.

How long ago was that hearing bchand?

BettyC

09-24-2009, 10:39 PM

How long ago was that hearing bchand?

I can't believe it but it looks like August 21st.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20491513/detail.html

zippy

09-24-2009, 10:42 PM

Good read: http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 10:46 PM

I'm so glad we are open again...TY CW!!!

Wonder if we will see doc dump tomorrow??? They release them a lot on Friday and it's been about 2 weeks since they said we were going to get one...here's hoping!!!!

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 10:53 PM

What I have personally seen - although it has not happened in any of the cases in which I have personally been involved - is situations where an indigent defendant's family ponied up the money to hire a private attorney for a certain amount of money. Then, the private attorney developed some good legal defenses requiring further investigation which the defendant could not afford. In particular, a defendant may have a history of learning defects in his school records, which may reflect organic brain disease supporting a defense of diminished capacity and/or leniency in sentencing. Alternatively, maybe an important alibi witness was a active member of the military and his unit has recently been deployed to Afghanistan. So, the private attorney asks the court for funding for the necessary medical expert, including diagnostic testing, or to take depositions in Afghanistan, or whatever. Sometimes the court will appoint an independent expert at the court's expense. More commonly, the court will order the Public Defender's office to be joined as co-counsel, and then the Public Defender's office arranges for necessary medical experts, diagnostic medical testing, foreign depositions, etc.

What I have never seen is any private attorney be awarded additional attorneys fees because their initial retainer was inadequate. If the retainer has been exhausted (or was funded with a hot check) and the attorney is not being paid as promised, the attorney can ask the court for permission to withdraw. If the client is indigent, the Public Defender steps in and takes over the case.

Criminal defendants have a right to an attorney, and if they cannot afford an attorney then the court appoints one for them i.e. a public defender. Criminal defendants do not necessarily have a right to the attorney of their choice (this has been extensively litigated in the context of criminal defendants who become unhappy with their particular assigned public defender and also in the context of defense attorneys who are recused from a case over their client's objections) nor to have the government pay for the attorney of their choice.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Hey Kat...thanks for the info...
Question...If KC is found indigent she can still retain JB and the rest of her dream team if they agree to state's wages can't she???

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 11:15 PM

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 11:19 PM

Where is everyone???...anyone home???

We're open for business...where are you all???

Pruddennce

09-24-2009, 11:20 PM

It's my understanding that a Public Defender is appointed by the Judge.
You know how when they read your miranda rights it states:

You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.

I assume you must prove you can't afford to pay for an attorney, but I'm not certain about that.

Based on what we've heard, casey picked Baez, (and possibly paid him a retainer of 5K), so I don't understand how he/casey can later petition the court to pay, or assist with paying any of her legal fees.

Also there is a cap on legal 'experts', and on the fees paid to them which is governed by the courts when the State is paying the legal fees. The court can also refuse to pay certain experts if they deem their testimony is not warranted or necessary. It wouldn't be right or make sense to me for casey to have this team of experts at her/Baez's choosing, and then turn around and ask the State to pay for them. If this were to occur in this case, casey would be getting much more than other inmates who had their PD appointed by the court, and had to get approval for any expert testimony.

Maybe Katprint will explain this.

this came from GA in his interview with LE:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony

GA thought he was court appointed until Casey told him Baez was 'recommended' to her while incarcerated.

he asked Baez how he was being paid, and Baez told GA Casey was going to give him $5,000 and that she had $1400 of it to give to him...

GA stated to LE "I dont think she has any money', besides from stealing from me and my wife....

of course Casey didnt have any money. so Baez believed Casey? lol

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

sully

09-24-2009, 11:22 PM

Does anyone remember when KC told the Blanchard Park story??? She originally said she dropped her off at Sawgrass and at some point changed it being thrown down by imaginenanny...Does anyone know when this story originated???

Didn't that story start when she was bonded out? :confused: I seem to recall that it was told to Robb Dick-then Leonard told it on Nancy Grace!

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 11:25 PM

Didn't that story start when she was bonded out? :confused: I seem to recall that it was told to Robb Dick-then Leonard told it on Nancy Grace!

That's what I thought sully...just wanted some confirmation of what I remember...TY

Sun

09-24-2009, 11:29 PM

Didn't that story start when she was bonded out? :confused: I seem to recall that it was told to Robb Dick-then Leonard told it on Nancy Grace!

I decided to go back and re-listen to Cindy's interviews with the FBI. Part 4, about 18 minutes into it. Or, Part 5-about 11 minutes into it. -----on 7/30/2008 Cindy tells the FBI that Lee told her, that Casey told him, "that Zani's Sister took Caylee and that Zany pushed Casey to the ground and threatened. Listen itch, I'm going to teach you a lesson, you are not getting Caylee back. ....all this happened on June 14th."
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18049738/index.html

Also on the 7/30 FBI video, Cindy then goes on to say, "Lee got the JBP version either on a phone conversation or a jail video"...just a few days before today. Part 9, 31 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18051811/index.html

In Lee's depo, he indicated that the very first time that Casey told him that story was during the time that she was first out on bail. Lee said this numerous times throught his depo. (Note that Lee couldn't remember the date, but I looked it up and Casey walked out of the jail for the first time on Aug 21.) Part 4, 19 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18813649/index.html

Casey Anthony Walked Out of Jail Today on $500,000 Bail © Cindy Adams
Aug 21, 2008 -- Caylee Anthony's mother, Casey, left jail today for her parents' home released on $500,000 bail posted by famed bounty hunter Leonard Padilla. The 22-year-old mother of Caylee Anthony, Casey Anthony, left her jail cell today for her parents’ home. Tony Padilla, a California bail bondsman, nephew of television bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla, posted her $500,000
bail.
http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/caylee_anthonys_mother_released_from_jail

Inmate Visitors Log, (shown in the following link), shows that Casey had not yet been released out on bond before Cindy gave the interview to the FBI. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-07/41281080.pdf

July 30, 2008 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25932586/
Dan Abrams talks to Baez's Co-Counsel and he states that Zenaida was not the only person that took Caylee but he will not say the name in fear of them fleeing. This is the first time that I have heard anything about a 2nd person involved.

newsjunkie

09-24-2009, 11:30 PM

Good Evening E1 :biggrin:

I have never heard of a defendent choosing their own public defender.
If the defense wants help I think the court will replace JB with a public defender and I am darned sure they will not pay the experts like LKB or any that have big travel expenses involved.
The rich get represented by the best, The poor by the rest!.
(not necessarily fair but that is how it is)

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 11:34 PM

I decided to go back and re-listen to Cindy's interviews with the FBI. Part 4, about 18 minutes into it. Or, Part 5-about 11 minutes into it. -----on 7/30/2008 Cindy tells the FBI that Lee told her, that Casey told him, "that Zani's Sister took Caylee and that Zany pushed Casey to the ground and threatened. Listen itch, I'm going to teach you a lesson, you are not getting Caylee back. ....all this happened on June 14th."
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18049738/index.html

Also on the 7/30 FBI video, Cindy then goes on to say, "Lee got the JBP version either on a phone conversation or a jail video"...just a few days before today. Part 9, 31 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18051811/index.html

In Lee's depo, he indicated that the very first time that Casey told him that story was during the time that she was first out on bail. Lee said this numerous times throught his depo. (Note that Lee couldn't remember the date, but I looked it up and Casey walked out of the jail for the first time on Aug 21.) Part 4, 19 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18813649/index.html

Casey Anthony Walked Out of Jail Today on $500,000 Bail © Cindy Adams
Aug 21, 2008 -- Caylee Anthony's mother, Casey, left jail today for her parents' home released on $500,000 bail posted by famed bounty hunter Leonard Padilla. The 22-year-old mother of Caylee Anthony, Casey Anthony, left her jail cell today for her parents’ home. Tony Padilla, a California bail bondsman, nephew of television bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla, posted her $500,000
bail.
http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/caylee_anthonys_mother_released_from_jail

Inmate Visitors Log, (shown in the following link), shows that Casey had not yet been released out on bond before Cindy gave the interview to the FBI. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-07/41281080.pdf

July 30, 2008 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25932586/
Dan Abrams talks to Baez's Co-Counsel and he states that Zenaida was not the only person that took Caylee but he will not say the name in fear of them fleeing. This is the first time that I have heard anything about a 2nd person involved.

Wow Sun...you have been busy...thanks for finding and posting this!!!

2nd person???
First time for me too.

I have to go listen...

sully

09-24-2009, 11:35 PM

Wow Sun-great work!!:thumbsup: I never realized that Lee and Cindy didn't get their stories straight!!

jaxback

09-24-2009, 11:37 PM

Where is everyone???...anyone home???

We're open for business...where are you all???

Check your pm's. :smile:

Katprint

09-24-2009, 11:43 PM

Hey Kat...thanks for the info...
Question...If KC is found indigent she can still retain JB and the rest of her dream team if they agree to state's wages can't she???
I don't think she can keep JB as her attorney and have the state pay him any attorney's fees. Generally indigent defendants are assigned an attorney from the public defender's office or, if there is a conflict (for example, if the public defender's office was already representing a codefendant for an unrelated matter and so will keep on representing that codefendant) then a "conflict panel" attorney is appointed. I doubt Baez has the necessary qualifications to be listed on the "conflict panel" even if the judge were willing to assign him specially rather than pick an attorney at random as is customary.

Casey ought to be able to keep her experts so long as they adhere to the official state fee scale. If they have already been paid more than the official state fee then I doubt they will get any additional money. However, IIRC most of these people had previously agreed to work for free.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Pruddennce

09-24-2009, 11:44 PM

Does anyone remember when KC told the Blanchard Park story??? She originally said she dropped her off at Sawgrass and at some point changed it being thrown down by imaginenanny...Does anyone know when this story originated???

Detectives asked GA about the story: beginning of August 08:

page 77: the FBI already heard the story: but of course, Casey did not tell LE or the FBI directly. the FBI states they heard it over the visitation monitor....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9270627/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Statement-2008

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Justice4all

09-24-2009, 11:44 PM

http://www.wesh.com/video/21102498/index.html

Licensing Fees Bring Money To Anthonys

I've suspected this all along barf

Sun

09-24-2009, 11:45 PM

Wow Sun-great work!!:thumbsup: I never realized that Lee and Cindy didn't get their stories straight!!

It does seem as if they didn't get their stories straight. But, I can't say for 100% certainty that the media was given a full, complete tape of all those conversations/visits though. I re-listened to Lee and Casey's jail conversations/visits, I have never been able to find where Casey told Lee that JBP version.

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 11:47 PM

I don't think she can keep JB as her attorney and have the state pay him any attorney's fees. Generally indigent defendants are assigned an attorney from the public defender's office or, if there is a conflict (for example, if the public defender's office was already representing a codefendant for an unrelated matter and so will keep on representing that codefendant) then a "conflict panel" attorney is appointed. I doubt Baez has the necessary qualifications to be listed on the "conflict panel" even if the judge were willing to assign him specially rather than pick an attorney at random as is customary.

Casey ought to be able to keep her experts so long as they adhere to the official state fee scale. If they have already been paid more than the official state fee then I doubt they will get any additional money. However, IIRC most of these people had previously agreed to work for free.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Kat...so she could loss JB...but keep AL, LKB...etc...which would be enough...hummmm

sully

09-24-2009, 11:49 PM

It does seem as if they didn't get their stories straight. But, I can't say for 100% certainty that the media was given a full, complete tape of all those conversations/visits though. I re-listened to Lee and Casey's jail conversations/visits, I have never been able to find where Casey told Lee that JBP version.

Perhaps there are some visits that haven't been released yet? But, still, why would Lee say he hadn't heard the story till she was out of jail?

Pruddennce

09-24-2009, 11:53 PM

It does seem as if they didn't get their stories straight. But, I can't say for 100% certainty that the media was given a full, complete tape of all those conversations/visits though. I re-listened to Lee and Casey's jail conversations/visits, I have never been able to find where Casey told Lee that JBP version.

me neither. the closest is the cryptic talk about the park and the phone, not for work, blah blah.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

newsjunkie

09-24-2009, 11:55 PM

I don't think she can keep JB as her attorney and have the state pay him any attorney's fees. Generally indigent defendants are assigned an attorney from the public defender's office or, if there is a conflict (for example, if the public defender's office was already representing a codefendant for an unrelated matter and so will keep on representing that codefendant) then a "conflict panel" attorney is appointed. I doubt Baez has the necessary qualifications to be listed on the "conflict panel" even if the judge were willing to assign him specially rather than pick an attorney at random as is customary.

Casey ought to be able to keep her experts so long as they adhere to the official state fee scale. If they have already been paid more than the official state fee then I doubt they will get any additional money. However, IIRC most of these people had previously agreed to work for free.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I think they publicly agreed to work for free but I think they quietly expected a winfall was coming down the road per a grand scheme by JB & CA. Have they not asked a couple of times about costs to be paid by the prosecutors (TES in Texas?) JMO & thinking out loud!

Sun

09-24-2009, 11:55 PM

Detectives asked GA about the story: beginning of August 08:

page 77: the FBI already heard the story: but of course, Casey did not tell LE or the FBI directly. the FBI states they heard it over the visitation monitor....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9270627/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Statement-2008

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Pru, thanks so much for posting this info and link. George tried to avoid that topic, and immediately tried to steer SB to another topic. Very interesting.

Rapunzel

09-24-2009, 11:56 PM

I wonder if the second person or more then one person, comes from the story of Zanny having her sister's there at BP???

Who was it KC said was with Zanny??
Her sister and someone else...CRS...can't remember.

sully

09-25-2009, 12:04 AM

Did LE ever ask KC to work with a police sketch artist?

Rapunzel

09-25-2009, 12:14 AM

Did LE ever ask KC to work with a police sketch artist?

Yep...here is Zanny's picture...

___________________________________

Just how I pictured her...

crimeq

09-25-2009, 12:14 AM

Does anyone remember when KC told the Blanchard Park story??? She originally said she dropped her off at Sawgrass and at some point changed it being thrown down by imaginenanny...Does anyone know when this story originated???

Intriguing question, Rapunzel. Casey changed the story because she knew the other one wouldn't work, was already blown; how bizarre that she thought she could come up with a new and better version and be believed. That is one thing...another, what made the second scenario better for her? I think it's because the "script" was involved, and she needed a cover for not calling LE for 31 days. (I also think it's possible that this story was a collaboration of Cindy, George, Casey and Lee.)

I don't recall when the second story was floated and hope one of our links queens or super-memory-folk here can tell us.

crimeq

09-25-2009, 12:18 AM

[QUOTE=Sun;13506786]I decided to go back and re-listen to Cindy's interviews with the FBI. Part 4, about 18 minutes into it. Or, Part 5-about 11 minutes into it. -----on 7/30/2008 Cindy tells the FBI that Lee told her, that Casey told him, "that Zani's Sister took Caylee and that Zany pushed Casey to the ground and threatened. Listen itch, I'm going to teach you a lesson, you are not getting Caylee back. ....all this happened on June 14th."
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18049738/index.html

Bolding mine.

This is Cindy-speak, IMO. I think Cindy concocted this story with/for Casey.

Remember in one of the jail interviews, Casey asked, "What am I supposed to learn from this?" I think that's how they talked to each other in the AntHouse.

Teach you a lesson. Learn from this.

That's from Cindy, IMO. She developed the Blanchard Park story to account for Casey's not contacting LE for 31 days.

sully

09-25-2009, 12:23 AM

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21104174/detail.html

Docs Show Caylee Evidence Destroyed
Fingerprint Test Apparently Destroyed Evidence Of Heart Sticker On Duct Tape

Rapunzel

09-25-2009, 12:24 AM

Intriguing question, Rapunzel. Casey changed the story because she knew the other one wouldn't work, was already blown; how bizarre that she thought she could come up with a new and better version and be believed. That is one thing...another, what made the second scenario better for her? I think it's because the "script" was involved, and she needed a cover for not calling LE for 31 days. (I also think it's possible that this story was a collaboration of Cindy, George, Casey and Lee.)

I don't recall when the second story was floated and hope one of our links queens or super-memory-folk here can tell us.

Yes, I think this is true...I remember LE at one of her first interviews told her they had surveillance video from Sawgrass and she wasn't on it...someone from here...maybe Mac called Sawgrass and they did indeed have surveillance and you could see the plates of the cars that left...now whether they had that at the time...I don't know...but I suspect this is at least one reason for KC changing her story...she knew on one would be able to dispute the BP story.

shelkobe

09-25-2009, 12:28 AM

I always thought Casey made up the second story because Det. Melich told her there were video cameras at the Sawgrass apartments and he would be able to view them to see if she was telling the truth. As she knew there would be no Zenaida nor Casey and Caylee on any surveillance tapes, she had to think of Story B.

Oops, I see Rapunzel remembers something similar.

Rapunzel

09-25-2009, 12:30 AM

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21104174/detail.html

Docs Show Caylee Evidence Destroyed
Fingerprint Test Apparently Destroyed Evidence Of Heart Sticker On Duct Tape

Wow...Bombshell...

Well, all I can say is I guess they could still use the testimony of the people who had seen it...and hope to God that in the process of destroying it they got KC's fingerprints off of it...which would be better then the heart shaped residue...

Rapunzel

09-25-2009, 12:32 AM

need2no

09-25-2009, 12:33 AM

shelkobe

09-25-2009, 12:34 AM

Ugh, from Sully's link above: But Local 6 has obtained a report from the FBI laboratory that reveals all traces of such a shape on the duct tape were destroyed by the FBI lab during a fingerprint-testing process and no photograph of the outline of a heart was taken by the FBI before all traces of it were obliterated.
Some evidence photos have been withheld from public release, so it is not known if any other agency took photos that show an outline of a heart on the tape. But there has been no mention of other such photos in any of the discovery released so far.
I certainly hope photos were taken by OCSO that clearly show the outline.

sully

09-25-2009, 12:36 AM

Rapunzel

09-25-2009, 12:42 AM

OK...carry on night shift...my day is done...see ya all tomorrow...:sleep:

cherish

09-25-2009, 12:51 AM

kelloggirl

09-25-2009, 12:55 AM

Wow...Bombshell...

Well, all I can say is I guess they could still use the testimony of the people who had seen it...and hope to God that in the process of destroying it they got KC's fingerprints off of it...which would be better then the heart shaped residue...

Ugh indeed.

Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like it in. In the article, it says no prints were found in previously released FBI reports, however - I still think it's really odd that that one document said George, Cindy, and Lee's fingerprints were not found, but didn't say anything about Casey's.

Deannalynn

09-25-2009, 01:20 AM

Heart or no heart-it doesn't make the duct tape any less damning!! And perhaps there are pictures before testing was done!!

From what I read, They failed to photograph the the shape of the sticker on the duct tape prior to dusting it for fingerprints.
They called to verify but have not received a call back.:unsure:

Deannalynn

09-25-2009, 01:35 AM

Wow...Bombshell...

Well, all I can say is I guess they could still use the testimony of the people who had seen it...and hope to God that in the process of destroying it they got KC's fingerprints off of it...which would be better then the heart shaped residue...

Just a guess but I'm thinking they won't be able to introduce it as evidence at trial. Dunno.
Knowing Baez, he will file another motion.:rolleyes:

Deannalynn

09-25-2009, 01:37 AM

Am I all by myself here, tonight?

Where's gert, anon-o-miss, AnniePie and the rest of out night shift.
Why so quiet.
We finally got something...:biggrin:

seeing_eye

09-25-2009, 02:00 AM

Am I all by myself here, tonight?

Where's gert, anon-o-miss, AnniePie and the rest of out night shift.
Why so quiet.
We finally got something...:biggrin:

Well, I'm here, but don't know if I have anything to add.

Deannalynn

09-25-2009, 02:05 AM

Well, I'm here, but don't know if I have anything to add.'
I know seeing_eye, it wasn't much at all. Maybe tomorrow we will get more.

cuddlyrunner

09-25-2009, 04:09 AM

kakax

09-25-2009, 04:18 AM

Didn't we see a photo of the heart shaped residue??

I'm probably mistaken as I'm also convinced that very early on in this case we saw a cctv of a girl in a car parking lot on the night of the 15th June on the phone which we thought could be Casey trying to persuade Tony to let her stay.

I thought we saw a photo too Cuddly. I wasn't exactly sure what they meant by evidence of a sticker on the tape at first and now I have a good mental image of it.

Its possible what I am remembering is a sticker sheet with one missing?

I am really not sure at this point.

Tomorrow I will look through some photos and see if I can figure out what I saw.

ETA...later today LOL!

happygert

09-25-2009, 04:51 AM

I thought we saw a photo too Cuddly. I wasn't exactly sure what they meant by evidence of a sticker on the tape at first and now I have a good mental image of it.

Its possible what I am remembering is a sticker sheet with one missing?

I am really not sure at this point.

Tomorrow I will look through some photos and see if I can figure out what I saw.

ETA...later today LOL!

Kakax I think I saw one with the heart shape on it too.....I think le took a picture of it..

Deannalynn

09-25-2009, 06:08 AM

Kakax I think I saw one with the heart shape on it too.....I think le took a picture of it..

I'm not too sure. I know they took a pic of the duct tape and a pic of the gas can with Lee's duct tape on it.
Now I'm confused about that.

Deannalynn

09-25-2009, 07:27 AM

I'm not too sure. I know they took a pic of the duct tape and a pic of the gas can with Lee's duct tape on it.
Now I'm confused about that.

CORRECTION...GEORGE'S DUCT TAPE ON GAS CAN.. (sorry)

Kathlb

09-25-2009, 07:31 AM

Didn't we see a photo of the heart shaped residue??

I'm probably mistaken as I'm also convinced that very early on in this case we saw a cctv of a girl in a car parking lot on the night of the 15th June on the phone which we thought could be Casey trying to persuade Tony to let her stay.

Hi Cuddly...
Yes we did, you are right. :-) I remember seeing the photo also. So they have it I'm sure. I think this sort of thing happens all the time, hence the photos, etc. Remember how at first JB argued in court that they wanted to be in on the testing since sometimes the testing can destroy the sample and there wouldn't be any for the def. to test? I'm sure LE are covered on this too. MOO