Mackenzie Phillips on Oprah

[vagal]

Right now Mackenzie Phillips is on Oprah. It may be just me but there is something that I am not getting. Her father is John Phillips of the Momma's and Papa's. Is he still alive??? She is talking about her book she has come out with. If anyone here is watching please let me know what you think.

[flipflop]

Right now Mackenzie Phillips is on Oprah. It may be just me but there is something that I am not getting. Her father is John Phillips of the Momma's and Papa's. Is he still alive??? She is talking about her book she has come out with. If anyone here is watching please let me know what you think.

DARN IT. I forgot all about her being on there today. No, her father died several years ago. Is it still on?

[WillowInFlight]

Right now Mackenzie Phillips is on Oprah. It may be just me but there is something that I am not getting. Her father is John Phillips of the Momma's and Papa's. Is he still alive??? She is talking about her book she has come out with. If anyone here is watching please let me know what you think.

Wasn't her mother Michelle Phillips of that same group?

[vagal]

Yes it is still on and yes Michelle Phillips is her mom...


This is my first time starting a thread..hope i did right and put it in the right place..

[flipflop]

It's no wonder MacKenzie Phillips has led a life of self destruction and drugs.

In her shocking memoir, High On Arrival, out on Wednesday, Phillips reveals details on having an incestuous affair with her father, who also shot her up with cocaine for the first time.

She claims her father, John Phillips of the 60's band Mamas and the Papas, first had sex with her on the eve of her wedding to Jeff Sessler, a member of the Rolling Stones entourage.

The former child star claims that the affair was a long-term one and that her father even suggested they run away somewhere "where no one would look down on us. There are countries where this is an accepted practice. Maybe Fiji."


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/mackenzie-phillips-slept-her-own-dad

[Veritas]

It's no wonder MacKenzie Phillips has led a life of self destruction and drugs.

In her shocking memoir, High On Arrival, out on Wednesday, Phillips reveals details on having an incestuous affair with her father, who also shot her up with cocaine for the first time.

She claims her father, John Phillips of the 60's band Mamas and the Papas, first had sex with her on the eve of her wedding to Jeff Sessler, a member of the Rolling Stones entourage.

The former child star claims that the affair was a long-term one and that her father even suggested they run away somewhere "where no one would look down on us. There are countries where this is an accepted practice. Maybe Fiji."


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/mackenzie-phillips-slept-her-own-dad

Wow. Just wow!

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[flipflop]

Wow. Just wow!

barf barf barf

I know. That is disgusting and sad.

[Debb]

This is very bizarre and quite sad. I wonder why she would go public with this story now? I look forward to seeing the interview and even buying her book. Did she say why she had this affair with her father, (as she described a consenual affair)? I don't understand.

Not that it matters, but I think Mackenzie's mother was an Adams lady that was John's first wife. He later married Michelle and they had Chynna Phillips, who is Mackenzie's half-sister.

I wonder how the rest of the family is reacting. It is very shocking IMO. I know her father was knows as an excentric but this is over the top.

[flipflop]

Phillips claims she was raped by her dad, Mamas & the Papas singer John Phillips, while she was 19 -- and the relationship continued for 10 years. The "One Day at a Time" actress says she later became pregnant -- but wasn't sure if John or her then-husband Shane Fontayne was the baby-daddy.

According to Phillips, her father paid for the abortion -- and then she "never let him touch me again."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0RyAaafJC

[StickyBeak]

Man, I think I would take that info. to the Grave. Amazing she had the strength to share this. Then in reality her father says they could go away to somewhere where this behavior is acceptable. Unreal, guess you had to be there, drinking that kool aid. Thankfully she has no offspring from the encounter, but, to live with herself all these years is amazing. JMO

[airportwoman]

Absolutely nothing surprises me about this story.

[desmom]

Wasn't her mother Michelle Phillips of that same group?

Mackenzie Phillips mother is Susan Adams, John Phillips lst wife.

jmo

[Veritas]

Phillips claims she was raped by her dad, Mamas & the Papas singer John Phillips, while she was 19 -- and the relationship continued for 10 years. The "One Day at a Time" actress says she later became pregnant -- but wasn't sure if John or her then-husband Shane Fontayne was the baby-daddy.

According to Phillips, her father paid for the abortion -- and then she "never let him touch me again."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0RyAaafJC

Words escape me. Just wow.

barf barf barf

[airportwoman]

I certainly hope that nothing like this ever happened to Chynna. From what I have heard, she seems to pretty reasonably have her act together, so perhaps not.

[forensicpsy~]

Are we supposed to feel sorry for her?

Nineteen is not exactly a child.

I'm speechless.

imo

[withay]

John Phillips had so few boundaries regarding appropriate behavior for himself as a parent and husband that I do believe that this happened. It has been a well documented fact that he shared drugs with his children and did not want to put "rules" on his kids. And, IMO, Mackenzie has exhibited the type of behavior that is typical of a child who has sexual abuse issues. Lastly, having worked in social services, I know it happens far more often than we would like to think.

[Emerald]

I have Oprah set to auto record. Every once in a while, she has self serving, inane crap on. Love it when I don't miss an interesting interview. Love to be able to delete without wasting my time on the dull self serving inane stuff, too.

[Emerald]

Are we supposed to feel sorry for her?

Nineteen is not exactly a child.

I'm speechless.

imo

I watched the interview. She was accepting her role in the later situation.

The point is there never should have been a situation begun by the Father.

JMO

[Debb]

I recorded the show and intend to watch all of it later this week. I saw pieces of it on other shows. I also heard experts discuss it. What I learned is that in the parent/child dynamic, it is always a power/control/love issue. So that even if you are an adult, the parent is still the authority figure and uses that in order to induce the sex. They seem to say that even an adult cannot consent to sex with a parent and that it just confuses the subconscience into going along with it. This answers my question about why she did it. She really was just trying to please her father and not wanting to lose his love. Very sad.

On The Today Show this morning, she said that it wasn't a long drawn out affair for 10 years. She said at first she was raped while out on drugs. A year or so later, she would waken from a drug state with her father and find her pants pulled down. This happened for many years and then in years 9 and 10 she remembers the actually sex that they had together in which she was not out of it.

I do believe her accounts. I think it is significant that her half-sister believes her. Perhaps she knows more than people have suspected.

[flipflop]

Mackenzie Phillips, on the promotional trail for her book, High On Arrival, said on the Today Show Thursday that her father, The Mamas And The Papas singer John, was "not a bad man, just a very sick man," despite engaging her in an incestuous relationship throughout her twenties.

The child star of American Graffiti and One Day At A Time fame said that she only realized what had happened after waking up in her father's bed the morning of her wedding with her pants down around her ankles, adding that the sex "wasn't consensual by any stretch of the imagination."

She said after two years of being molested, she began letting her father make love to her consensually. Phillips said the last straw to all the sex she was having with her dad was a paternity scare after she got pregnant while she was married.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/video-mackenzie-phillips-my-father-was-not-bad-man

"Make love"??? I wouldn't refer to it as that.

[annalyzer]

Are we supposed to feel sorry for her?

Nineteen is not exactly a child.

I'm speechless.

imo

No she wasn't a child and to continue having sex with her father for ten years all the while acting on tv sitcoms and in movies, and married, is appalling. It's a slap in the face to all little girls who suffer sexual abuse and are brave enough to say no and to tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uFu4qHADD0

[KittyMom]

Has anyone else in the family supported her story?

[daniel green]

Two ex-wives of Mamas And The Papas front man John Phillips said that Mackenize Phillips shocking claims that she was involved in a torrid, ten-year affair with her father are false. “She told me, then she called me back and said, ‘You know I’m joking,’ ” Michelle Phillips told The Hollywood Reporter Wednesday. “I said it wasn’t funny. Mackenzie said, ‘I guess we have different senses of humor.’ ” Michelle, when told that Mackenzie said she held in the info to protect her father's legacy, responded: “She’s really protecting his legacy now, isn’t she?”

According to Michelle, “John was a bad parent, and a drug addict. But [expletive deleted] his daughter? If she thinks it’s true, why isn’t she with a good psychiatrist on a couch? I think it’s unconscionable that Oprah would let her do her show. I have every reason to believe it’s untrue. Oprah should be more judicious about who she has on her show.
"Mackenzie has a lot of mental illness. She’s had a needle stuck up her arm for 35 years. She was arrested for heroin and coke just recently. She did Celebrity Rehab and now she writes a book. The whole thing is timed ... Mackenzie is jealous of her siblings, who have accomplished a lot and did not become drug addicts."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/ex-wives-john-phillips-say-mackenzie-lying-about-incest

[Debb]

I don't blame her. I don't think she was in a position to give consent for what happened. This man gave his daughter pot in brownies when she was 10 years old and shot her with cocaine when she was 14 years old. She was never taught any morals or boundaries. To put blame on her, even after she was adult, is not right IMO. It is akin to the Stockholm Syndrome. (Victims identify with their abductor and even try to protect them). This is what one professional described last night.

The psychologists are saying that she needs to continue treatment in order to put the abuse from her father in proper prospective. Abused children often love the abusing parent and never blame them for the harm they have suffered. The mind does that as a protection mechanism.

[Mimi428]

John Phillips had so few boundaries regarding appropriate behavior for himself as a parent and husband that I do believe that this happened. It has been a well documented fact that he shared drugs with his children and did not want to put "rules" on his kids. And, IMO, Mackenzie has exhibited the type of behavior that is typical of a child who has sexual abuse issues. Lastly, having worked in social services, I know it happens far more often than we would like to think.

ITA - & you notice that the ones in the family who have commented in a negative fashion against what she has said have also managed to further verify the likelihood that she is telling the truth. When/if you can relate that you observed (& complained) that her behavior towards her father was inappropriate, it is an indictment against HIM. HE was the adult, HE was the parent.

IMO, you can bet that the same man who was so bold in his announcements that other traditional "rules" of society would not apply to his children would be the same sort of guy who would be breaking traditional rules against things like incest.

[desmom]

HLN's Showbiz Tonight showed clips from Oprah's show. She was 19, admitted she awoke from a black out and then passed out again? She also talked about Mick Jagger and herself and all I can say is ewwww.

Valerie Bertinelli's book was released in February 2008 telling about her life with drugs and her marriage to Eddie Van Halen.

Marie Osmond released her book in April 2009 about her life, ups and downs, raising children.

Melissa Gilbert's book was released June 2009 and shared her life of substance abuse and dysfunctional relationships.

Maureen McCormick's book was released September 2009. It is all about her life behind the scenes and admitted she swapped sex for cocaine.

Sounds like Mackenzie needed something explosive to make her book stand out from the others.

Here is what Mackenzie's step moms said...

Michelle Phillips, second wife of John Phillips: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/09/24/entertainment-us-people-mackenzie-phillips_6926239.html
"I have every reason to believe it's untrue," she told the Hollywood Reporter. "Mackenzie has a lot of mental illness. She's had a needle stuck up her arm for 35 years. She was arrested for heroin and coke just recently. She did 'Celebrity Rehab' and now she writes a book. The whole thing is timed."

Genevieve Waite Phillips , John Phillips’ third wife: http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m9d24-Mackenzie-Phillips-on-incestuous-affair-is-she-telling-the-truth-videos-from-Oprah-and-Today-show
"I`m stunned by Mackenzie`s terrible allegations about her father. I would often complain to John about her overly familiar attitude towards him and he would tell me that that was just her way. John was a good man who had the disease of alcohol and drug addiction. He was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, of having such a relationship with his own child."

jmo

[MiamiNice1]

What a horror. From the Oprah site, MacKenzie's interview:

http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahshow/20090826-tows-mackenzie-phillips?cnn=yes

[MiamiNice1]

Has anyone else in the family supported her story?

Here is something from her half-brother. The whole family sounds a little "off." (major understatement)


http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/john.mackenzie.phillips/index.html

John Phillips had checkered, sometimes sordid, life

And Mackenzie's half-brother, Tamerlane, the follower of an Indian guru, is having none of it.

"My family is and always will be a decrepit bowl of dog urine compared to Nityananda of Ganeshpuri. That is how great Nityananda is," he told the New York Post's Page Six. "Worship Nityananda, not the Phillips family."


imo

[Hanalei]

I have a cousin that was molested by her dad from the age 8 until she was 18. I had no idea until he died and she felt safe to tell my mom and then my mom told me. I always wondered why she gained so much weight and tried to make herself unattractive so he would leave her alone which he didn't. She finally moved out of the house at age 19 and came out as a lesbian. Her mom was a religous nut and stopped talking to her and now I find out that her mother actually knew that my cousin was being molested and did nothing about it. It makes me sick to know all this and I trusted my uncle and I thought he was nice now I can't stand the thought of him and I'm glad he is dead. I have nothing to do with my aunt and will never talk to her again.

[ish]

Here is something from her half-brother. The whole family sounds a little "off." (major understatement)


http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/john.mackenzie.phillips/index.html

John Phillips had checkered, sometimes sordid, life




imo

There was a big custody battle over Tamerlane I believe because JOhn and Genevieve Wait were living in filth and drugged out all the time. I think Michele Phillips attempted to get custody. I don't know how that turned out. He did have an on line video where he said he was unaware of any sexual abuse of MacKenzie but it didn't sound like he thought she was lying. He seems to be caught up in some worship of an Indian guru of some sort. I guess he has his issues coming from that family also. I think Bijou is a bit flaky and isn't Chynna married to one of the Baldwin brothers. I think they are very into Christianity.

[KittyMom]

Here is something from her half-brother. The whole family sounds a little "off." (major understatement)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/john.mackenzie.phillips/index.html

John Phillips had checkered, sometimes sordid, life
imo

Okey-dokey then. :blink:

[KittyMom]

I'll admit that I have no idea if she's telling the truth. :shrug:

HOWEVER, I would like to see Mick Jagger (since he can still speak for himself) respond to what she claims about him.

MO

So you've read the book? Did she mention if she ever told anyone about the situation with her father? A therapist, teacher, sibling?

[KittyMom]

I was trying to decided if I believe this story or not and was leaning toward the not when I saw this...

http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/24/mackenzie-phillips-soon-yi-previn-woody-allen-photo/

:glare: hmmmmm

[MiamiNice1]

So you've read the book? Did she mention if she ever told anyone about the situation with her father? A therapist, teacher, sibling?
Half-Sister Chynna (sp?) Phillips has come out in support of MacKenzie, saying that MacKenzie told her about this long ago. Due to these revelations, Chynna fell into depression and other problems.

(it's in one of the links I posted)

imo

eta - the psychologists who have weighed in all say that NO ONE would put out this kind of information that is so shameful and humiliating if it was not true. I agree and believe the whole sordid story.

[KittyMom]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/chynna-and-mackenzie-phillips-2009249

Mackenzie Phillips Returning to Oprah — With Half Sister Chynna

[MiamiNice1]

There was a big custody battle over Tamerlane I believe because JOhn and Genevieve Wait were living in filth and drugged out all the time. I think Michele Phillips attempted to get custody. I don't know how that turned out. He did have an on line video where he said he was unaware of any sexual abuse of MacKenzie but it didn't sound like he thought she was lying. He seems to be caught up in some worship of an Indian guru of some sort. I guess he has his issues coming from that family also. I think Bijou is a bit flaky and isn't Chynna married to one of the Baldwin brothers. I think they are very into Christianity.
Thanks for all this background info, ish! What a hot mess!

Hanalei - we have a family friend who went through the exact same thing as your family member. Exact story. :crying:

[MiamiNice1]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/chynna-and-mackenzie-phillips-2009249

Mackenzie Phillips Returning to Oprah — With Half Sister Chynna
This story must be generating a HUGE response!

[CHITCHAT]

I never cared for Mackensie. She looked malnurished, and unhealthy and dirty. It may be true, I dont dought it at all. but if she was old enough to marry shes old enough to know when to open and close her legs. Why now is she telling us all this? to sell a book, thats it. and thats the whole reason.

[ABC]

She did and does look malnurished, dirty and unhealthy to me. Obviously, its about selling a book that I would be surprised that anyone is interested in buying. I don't want to know about her or anyone else's dirty secrets. Is Oprah having hard times that she would feature this kind of trash on her show? I tend not to believe her story .:scared:

[KittyMom]

If she was raised from an early age to think that daddy loves her in a "special" way and then be introduced to drugs by the same man, wouldn't it take lots of years and therapy for her to recognize that the abuse was wrong and to put a stop to it. It does for battered women, right?

[ish]

She did and does look malnurished, dirty and unhealthy to me. Obviously, its about selling a book that I would be surprised that anyone is interested in buying. I don't want to know about her or anyone else's dirty secrets. Is Oprah having hard times that she would feature this kind of trash on her show?:scared:

She certainly looks like she's had a rough life. I believe her, remembering what a dirtbag her father was (genius musician or not)I can see him taking advantage of her passed out state (that he helped put her in) to have sex with her. I have a harder time with the continuation of the relationship on her part. She had money, she was a working actress, and she was married, she could have stayed far away. I think she has some emotional/mental disturbance that she kept going back to him. I guess like a moth to a flame. It wasn't just the drugs, she could do and did drugs without him. There was something that kept pulling her back into his circle. As far as his wives are concerned, I know nothing about Mackenzie's real mother, Michelle Phillips was and is a flake as far as I am concerned, I think she got around Hollywood and most of the men there pretty well, I'm sure she's no stranger to drugs, Genevieve Waite, Tamerlane's and Bijou's mother, she was into the drugs big time with John, Michelle tried to get Tamerlane in a custody battle. Allegedly JOhn and Genevieve were living in squalor and filth, drugged up 24/7. I think there was something in Keith Richards book about them (not that he is any judge). Telling her story on TV? I guess she has a right to do it. I don't know how much it will help other victims, if that is her goal. I think sharing her story in a more private setting might be more helpful, attending Incest Survivor groups perhaps.
I wish her well, but have major concerns for her future.

[Debb]

If she was raised from an early age to think that daddy loves her in a "special" way and then be introduced to drugs by the same man, wouldn't it take lots of years and therapy for her to recognize that the abuse was wrong and to put a stop to it. It does for battered women, right?

Even if she knew it was wrong, she may not have had the mental and emotional fortitude to break free from his control. She said it didn't happen on a regular basis, although once is too many.

I would no more blame her than I would blame a prisoner of war for reading aloud a letter from his captor. She still doesn't realize just how harmed she was and is.

Valerie Bertinelli gave her support to Mackenzie. She told her that we are only as sick as our secrets. I had never heard that before. I don't think I would reveal this info about myself, but if she feels it is helpful to her, then I don't think I have any right to judge her.

People often blame victims. It somehow makes them feel easier about things for some reason.

[PointQueen]

Hasn't she always been extremely messed up on drugs? I wonder if she is clean now. imo

[PointQueen]

She was an adult and continued to have a consensual sexual relationship with her father for ten years?!? I just can't believe that. I mean she was married too. I wonder how young she was when it started.

It is honestly bizarre and unbelievable. jmo

[forensicpsy~]

She was an adult and continued to have a consensual sexual relationship with her father for ten years?!? I just can't believe that. I mean she was married too. I wonder how young she was when it started.

It is honestly bizarre and unbelievable. jmo

She said it started when she was 19 and lasted until she was 29! And she was married!

Sorry but she was old enough to know better. Dysfunctional as that family was she has no excuse for participating in that sickness with her father. Not at that age.

I find her creepy and I always have.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

She said it started when she was 19 and lasted until she was 29! And she was married!

Sorry but she was old enough to know better. Dysfunctional as that family was she has no excuse for participating in that sickness with her father. Not at that age.

I find her creepy and I always have.

imo

I never cared for her either, and now I can see why she was the way she was. I realize this is a horrible thing to face and come to terms with - I honestly don't see how she can ever heal, imo. While she does use the word "consensual" (omg), she seems to still harbor a little denial by repeatedly saying that she was in some drug-induced haze, really doesn't remember because of the drugs...etc. For 10 Years?!

Can you imagine what her ex-husband is thinking??? omg.

Worse - how about her son??? I shudder to think. For my son alone, I would NEVER have breathed a WORD of this horror.

I agree with ish, who posted previously that she shoud have gone to an Incest Survivor group and worked (and attempt healing) QUIETLY. For the sake of her son.

imo

[airportwoman]

She was an adult and continued to have a consensual sexual relationship with her father for ten years?!? I just can't believe that. I mean she was married too. I wonder how young she was when it started.

It is honestly bizarre and unbelievable. jmo

Susan Smith, who killed her children, did the same thing with her stepfather, although IIRC it started when she was 15, and both admitted that the last episode was just a few days before she drowned her little boys.

[forensicpsy~]

Susan Smith, who killed her children, did the same thing with her stepfather, although IIRC it started when she was 15, and both admitted that the last episode was just a few days before she drowned her little boys.

Unfortunately, we do hear about sexual relationships between step-fathers and step-daughters. Sick.

But John Philips is her biological father. :angry: It is unimaginable that she could have been having consensual sex with him for ten years.:cursing:

imo

[daniel green]

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Worse - how about her son??? I shudder to think. For my son alone, I would NEVER have breathed a WORD of this horror.



That is exactly what I think.

And if it's a lie, it's just as bad, for his sake.

[ABC]

I am confused. You don't believe incest is an important topic? You believe it should remain a dirty family secret? Having worked with child victims of sexual abuse, I've learned incest is FAR FAR more common than most people even realize. I know, as a professional, I was SHOCKED at the frequency.

If her book or story is heard by a child, teen, young adult that was also a victim of incest...who's to say the message wouldn't help? Incest needs a face and a voice, why not hers? Why should victims feel any shame at all?

I realize most people rather deny it happened, or pretend it hardly ever does.........That to me is scary.
I believe that sex between consenting adults (according to her, they were) who are related is personal and I am not interested in the story of this sorid affair. I see no good having an adult reinforce "special" relationships to anyone, let alone kids. My opinion and I'm sticking to it. She said she was 19 and it happened the night before her wedding, continuing for ten years.

[daniel green]

I am confused. You don't believe incest is an important topic? You believe it should remain a dirty family secret? Having worked with child victims of sexual abuse, I've learned incest is FAR FAR more common than most people even realize. I know, as a professional, I was SHOCKED at the frequency.

If her book or story is heard by a child, teen, young adult that was also a victim of incest...who's to say the message wouldn't help? Incest needs a face and a voice, why not hers? Why should victims feel any shame at all?

I realize most people rather deny it happened, or pretend it hardly ever does.........That to me is scary.

I agree, WEB. It is sickenly common and it should not remain a dirty secret. And the victims of it should (but do) feel shame.

However, my pretty accurate (I am sure you have it, too, just reading your posts) hinky meter and gut tell me this is nothing more than some pretty awful attention grabbing, book writing thing. As bad as that sounds, I believe that.

She has told some doozies in the past and while I believe that her father was a horrific parent, there is something about her story (I watched her as she told it and the subsequent variations on various shows) that just doesn't fly. Not to mention that the facts change with each subsequent telling.

She has a son, to whom she owes the utmost responsibility. And the way in which she has made this public is troubling to me.

I don't think it should be a secret, of course, nor that she shouldn't tell her son and family. But to dish on the made-for-voyeur tv/tabloids dish about the alleged abortion and not knowing if it was her father's baby--this troubles me deeply.

Yes, if one child being sexually abused by a family member/parental figure is helped, then it's good. But I don't believe that is the target audience, nor will it trickle down to it.

[jaxback]

(snipped)
I agree with ish, who posted previously that she shoud have gone to an Incest Survivor group and worked (and attempt healing) QUIETLY. For the sake of her son.

imo

Yes, but if she'd done that quietly and privately, how could she ever have pitched her book or gotten headlined on Oprah? The fact is that Mackenzie Phillips hasn't been famous for anything other than getting busted for decades, and very few people would have been interested in reading the story of her messed up childhood and adulthood if she hadn't come up with something incredibly shocking.

Everything about this reads hinky to me, and I don't think I've ever had that reaction to accusations like this before. She's an addict, her father was an addict, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of boundaries were muddied or crossed. But the way she has gone about exploiting this - true or not - is very suspicious to me.

What's going to be really interesting is if Mick Jagger responds to what she claims about him.

[Emerald]

MP never claimed anything about Mick Jagger but a consensual liaison when she was of age. Seems there are lots of women (and some men) who can claim the same thing.

I believe MP about the incest claims. She accepts responsibility for the choices she made in consenting the last 2 years. It was MP who ended the affair.

It should have never begun. PERIOD!

[ABC]

MP never claimed anything about Mick Jagger but a consensual liaison when she was of age. Seems there are lots of women (and some men) who can claim the same thing.

I believe MP about the incest claims. She accepts responsibility for the choices she made in consenting the last 2 years. It was MP who ended the affair.

It should have never begun. PERIOD!
Mich and MP? In her dreams, in my opinion.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes, but if she'd done that quietly and privately, how could she ever have pitched her book or gotten headlined on Oprah? The fact is that Mackenzie Phillips hasn't been famous for anything other than getting busted for decades, and very few people would have been interested in reading the story of her messed up childhood and adulthood if she hadn't come up with something incredibly shocking.

Everything about this reads hinky to me, and I don't think I've ever had that reaction to accusations like this before. She's an addict, her father was an addict, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of boundaries were muddied or crossed. But the way she has gone about exploiting this - true or not - is very suspicious to me.

What's going to be really interesting is if Mick Jagger responds to what she claims about him.

MacKenzie Phillips sounds like a very damaged human being - even without the consensual incest charges. I also agree that she is promoting her book.

I do believe her claims, as I cannot fathom anyone telling the world these very hideous things for any amount of money.

Regarding Mick Jagger......I don't think he's going to touch this with a 5,456 mile pole!!! (distance from England to L.A.)

imo

[jaxback]

MacKenzie Phillips sounds like a very damaged human being - even without the consensual incest charges. I also agree that she is promoting her book.

I do believe her claims, as I cannot fathom anyone telling the world these very hideous things for any amount of money.

Regarding Mick Jagger......I don't think he's going to touch this with a 5,456 mile pole!!! (distance from England to L.A.)

imo

With the amount of publicity Phillips is getting there is no way Jagger isn't going to be bombarded with questions by the press (if he's ever available to media).

I don't know what to believe. Do I believe that there is something to her allegations, that something very wrong went on? Yes. Do I believe her account of it is truthful or accurate? Not so much. But jmo as always.

[ish]

I was reading the statement by Genevieve Waite, Mackenzie Phillips' former stepmother. This quote, I feel is the most important part and something most media sources are leaving out.

"I am stunned by Mackenzie's terrible allegations about her father," Waite wrote. I would often complain about her overly familiar attitudes towards him, and he said it was just her way. John was a good man. ... He was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, to have sexual relations with his own child."

While she's denying it...she actually provides Mackenzie corroboration. She did notice there was something not quite right about their relationship.....He was a drug addict and drunk that shot his own daughter up.......but he would never cross that line? She calls him a "good man" .......eyeroll.........

In my experience, many mother of daughters notice their daughters overly innapropriate affectionate manner towards their fathers. But dismiss it and deny the possibility too.

One thing is for certain, Mackenzie is very very twisted, the way she views the "relationship" even now, makes her more credible to me. I would hope she had her son's full support....

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/genevieve-waite-mackenzie-phillips-stepmother-denounces-sex

I've read a few things about Genevieve Waite that would make me question how she can judge anything that happened then. Michelle Phillips tried to get custody of John and Genevieve's son Tamerlane due to the drug use/addicton of both of them and the fact that they lived in filthy conditons. The battle went on a long time, I think John finally got clean and regained custody, I don't know what happened with Genevieve, I think they divorced and she was out of the picture.

[Debb]

The story she told about Mick Jagger is not new. I have heard her talk about how she had sex with him while her dad was banging on the door at least 6 years ago.

Also, I think if the incest is true, John Phillips would not have denied it. He was very eccentric and marched to the beat of a different drummer. I think it is likely he would have admitted it and said little else about it. Before his death, he admitted he made mistakes with his kids.

Woopi made a comment about those such as Michelle Phillips who say it didin't happen. She said unless you were there, you don't know for sure. People can believe it or not. I don't know for sure but last night I heard that Chynna Phillips said Mackenzie told her about the incest in 1998, That fact supports her credibility IMO.

[ish]

The story she told about Mick Jagger is not new. I have heard her talk about how she had sex with him while her dad was banging on the door at least 6 years ago.

Also, I think if the incest is true, John Phillips would not have denied it. He was very eccentric and marched to the beat of a different drummer. I think it is likely he would have admitted it and said little else about it. Before his death, he admitted he made mistakes with his kids.
Woopi made a comment about those such as Michelle Phillips who say it didin't happen. She said unless you were there, you don't know for sure. People can believe it or not. I don't know for sure but last night I heard that Chynna Phillips said Mackenzie told her about the incest in 1998, That fact supports her credibility IMO.

I think it would have killed any mood I was in, if my dad was banging on my door, whilst I was getting busy :ohmy: just knowing dad is within a couple mile radius and could stop by at any time, is a bit of a mood killer also:laugh:

10 yrs of incest.. that's a bit more than a "mistake" I'd say. But you're right, he was odd to say the least so he may well have admitted to it. Or, just not denied it.

[Mimi428]

I am confused. You don't believe incest is an important topic? You believe it should remain a dirty family secret? Having worked with child victims of sexual abuse, I've learned incest is FAR FAR more common than most people even realize. I know, as a professional, I was SHOCKED at the frequency.

If her book or story is heard by a child, teen, young adult that was also a victim of incest...who's to say the message wouldn't help? Incest needs a face and a voice, why not hers? Why should victims feel any shame at all?

I realize most people rather deny it happened, or pretend it hardly ever does.........That to me is scary.

I think some of the reactions to MacKenzie's story demonstrate exactly why & how the rule of "don't talk, don't tell" is so very hard to break.

The bearer of bad tidings is trashed from high to low. As soon as they break the silence they face a horrible backlash. But you notice that the extended family members who are so quick to denigrate her are also actually providing enough information to verify the likelihood that what she is saying is true. Waite's comments especially.

[daniel green]

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Everything about this reads hinky to me, and I don't think I've ever had that reaction to accusations like this before. She's an addict, her father was an addict, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of boundaries were muddied or crossed. But the way she has gone about exploiting this - true or not - is very suspicious to me.

.

I'm right there with you.

[daniel green]

I was reading the statement by Genevieve Waite, Mackenzie Phillips' former stepmother. This quote, I feel is the most important part and something most media sources are leaving out.

"I am stunned by Mackenzie's terrible allegations about her father," Waite wrote. I would often complain about her overly familiar attitudes towards him, and he said it was just her way. John was a good man. ... He was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, to have sexual relations with his own child."

While she's denying it...she actually provides Mackenzie corroboration. She did notice there was something not quite right about their relationship.....He was a drug addict and drunk that shot his own daughter up.......but he would never cross that line? She calls him a "good man" .......eyeroll.........

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The "good man" makes me wanna hurl.

Interesting comment by Waite, you are right. Very intetersting.

[daniel green]

Excellent post, and I agree.

I've seen families disown one another when one speaks up, even sisters that were both victims. The one that talks is the one thrown under the bus.

I've seen mothers blaming and denying their own 8 year old daughter's abuse, despite photographic evidence!

Very very sad.

As have I. Or have walked in on them.

But that is different than what is happening here. The man is dead and the women are not beholden to him.

But she is not speaking about molestation as a child. But an incestuous relationship as adults. And there is something about her and this story, and the way she tells it that is just setting off the bs alarm in my gut.

[MiamiNice1]

I was reading the statement by Genevieve Waite, Mackenzie Phillips' former stepmother. This quote, I feel is the most important part and something most media sources are leaving out.

"I am stunned by Mackenzie's terrible allegations about her father," Waite wrote. I would often complain about her overly familiar attitudes towards him, and he said it was just her way. John was a good man. ... He was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, to have sexual relations with his own child."

While she's denying it...she actually provides Mackenzie corroboration. She did notice there was something not quite right about their relationship.....He was a drug addict and drunk that shot his own daughter up.......but he would never cross that line? She calls him a "good man" .......eyeroll.........

In my experience, many mother of daughters notice their daughters overly innapropriate affectionate manner towards their fathers. But dismiss it and deny the possibility too.

One thing is for certain, Mackenzie is very very twisted, the way she views the "relationship" even now, makes her more credible to me. I would hope she had her son's full support....

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/genevieve-waite-mackenzie-phillips-stepmother-denounces-sex

Great post, WEB! So true about MacKenzie's step-mother's statement actually corroborating MacKenzie's story. Her statement is what made me believe MacKenzie's story. The "overly inappropriate sexual behavior" has been stated by so many mothers in hindsight of their daughters who were young victims of sexual abuse.

You're right in that this has not been properly discussed. This is the type of statement that could help open someone's eyes "out there" in recognizing a current victim.

Personally, I can never take anyone saying "oh, he/she would NEVER do that...." Yeah, right. NO ONE can possibly know this about another human being - unless, like Deb says, they were there.

It reminds me of when Woody Allen was accused of his affair with Soon-Yi..... Dick Cavett actually went on TV to say that his good friend Woody "would NEVER do such a thing......" <roll eyes big time!>

imo

[need2no]

I was reading the statement by Genevieve Waite, Mackenzie Phillips' former stepmother. This quote, I feel is the most important part and something most media sources are leaving out.

"I am stunned by Mackenzie's terrible allegations about her father," Waite wrote. I would often complain about her overly familiar attitudes towards him, and he said it was just her way. John was a good man. ... He was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, to have sexual relations with his own child."

While she's denying it...she actually provides Mackenzie corroboration. She did notice there was something not quite right about their relationship.....He was a drug addict and drunk that shot his own daughter up.......but he would never cross that line? She calls him a "good man" .......eyeroll.........

In my experience, many mother of daughters notice their daughters overly innapropriate affectionate manner towards their fathers. But dismiss it and deny the possibility too.

One thing is for certain, Mackenzie is very very twisted, the way she views the "relationship" even now, makes her more credible to me. I would hope she had her son's full support....

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/genevieve-waite-mackenzie-phillips-stepmother-denounces-sex


Possibly a self serving statement from the stepmother. Her denial could be the stepmother's way of defending her ability to satify her man. No way would he need his own daughter to satisfy his needs when he had me. Also it would be difficult (to say the least) to admit she knew this was happening right under nose, and either naively wasn't aware of it, or she chose to ignore it.

IMO

[CHITCHAT]

Incest may be more common than we know, but, I think they're talking about children, small children, not a 19yr old adult. I find it interesting she waited until now, after hes dead. I emagine she is running low on money as she really hasn't had an acting job in yrs. and lets face it...sex sells and the dirtier the more it sells...

[annalyzer]

It's no slap in the face for the majority of child sexual abuse victims...you know the ones that never tell.

Well this b*tch was no child at nineteen. A married woman having sex with her father for ten years, she claims. How are we to know she didn't seduce him? :unsure:

I see there will be plenty of idiots going out and buying her book. :laugh:

[jaxback]

Great post, WEB! So true about MacKenzie's step-mother's statement actually corroborating MacKenzie's story. Her statement is what made me believe MacKenzie's story. The "overly inappropriate sexual behavior" has been stated by so many mothers in hindsight of their daughters who were young victims of sexual abuse.

You're right in that this has not been properly discussed. This is the type of statement that could help open someone's eyes "out there" in recognizing a current victim.

Personally, I can never take anyone saying "oh, he/she would NEVER do that...." Yeah, right. NO ONE can possibly know this about another human being - unless, like Deb says, they were there.

It reminds me of when Woody Allen was accused of his affair with Soon-Yi..... Dick Cavett actually went on TV to say that his good friend Woody "would NEVER do such a thing......" <roll eyes big time!>

imo



I'm not going to get into a firefight about the truth or amount of truth in any of this. I realize we will never know because one of the people involved is dead.

I do want to say this, however, since I experienced it. I had a stepdaughter who behaved very inappropriately with my now ex-husband (she came to live with us when she was 13). I always suspected that she had been molested when she was young, and the sex/drugs/music circumstances she was living in as a child would certainly have made it possible. But anyone seeing her and her father would probably jump to the conclusion that he was the molester, which was definitely not true.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Phillips was molested when she was young - in fact, I'd be surprised if she wasn't, given the wretched circumstances she grew up in. And as I posted before, I also wouldn't be surprised if there was very inappropriate behavior on her own father's part. But like Daniel posts, there is just something about this story that makes me question it - and that is something I don't think I've ever done with this type of claim before. jmo

[daniel green]

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Phillips was molested when she was young - in fact, I'd be surprised if she wasn't, given the wretched circumstances she grew up in. And as I posted before, I also wouldn't be surprised if there was very inappropriate behavior on her own father's part. But like Daniel posts, there is just something about this story that makes me question it - and that is something I don't think I've ever done with this type of claim before. jmo

Thank you for your very wise post. I could not agree with you more.

Girls who have been molested often are sexualized in their behavior. And I agree completely that I would not be surprised in the least to know that Phillips was molested as a child. She is, obviously, very damaged.

Like you, I don't often question this type of claim, knowing that, sadly, it is almost always the tragic truth. But there was--as I have said--something about her saying it in those interviews that just sent my "that's not true" feeling in my gut into over-drive.

I was in juvenile court this morning for a docket hearing and it was the topic among a lot of the counselors there and it was apparent that it was the consensus for them, as well. As well as the fact that we were all surprised at our reactions, given what we have seen happens to children.

[jaxback]

Thank you for your very wise post. I could not agree with you more.

Girls who have been molested often are sexualized in their behavior. And I agree completely that I would not be surprised in the least to know that Phillips was molested as a child. She is, obviously, very damaged.

Like you, I don't often question this type of claim, knowing that, sadly, it is almost always the tragic truth. But there was--as I have said--something about her saying it in those interviews that just sent my "that's not true" feeling in my gut into over-drive.

I was in juvenile court this morning for a docket hearing and it was the topic among a lot of the counselors there and it was apparent that it was the consensus for them, as well. As well as the fact that we were all surprised at our reactions, given what we have seen happens to children.


As you know better than most, our hinky meters could be wrong, but still, that concensus is really interesting. I've got to get some work done, but I'm going to make some calls to a few peeps I know who work in that field too just to see what their reactions have been.

[daniel green]

As you know better than most, our hinky meters could be wrong, but still, that concensus is really interesting. I've got to get some work done, but I'm going to make some calls to a few peeps I know who work in that field too just to see what their reactions have been.

I thought so. I will be interested in hearing what you get for answers.

Thx!

[MiamiNice1]

I'm not going to get into a firefight about the truth or amount of truth in any of this. I realize we will never know because one of the people involved is dead.

I do want to say this, however, since I experienced it. I had a stepdaughter who behaved very inappropriately with my now ex-husband (she came to live with us when she was 13). I always suspected that she had been molested when she was young, and the sex/drugs/music circumstances she was living in as a child would certainly have made it possible. But anyone seeing her and her father would probably jump to the conclusion that he was the molester, which was definitely not true.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Phillips was molested when she was young - in fact, I'd be surprised if she wasn't, given the wretched circumstances she grew up in. And as I posted before, I also wouldn't be surprised if there was very inappropriate behavior on her own father's part. But like Daniel posts, there is just something about this story that makes me question it - and that is something I don't think I've ever done with this type of claim before. jmo

I agree that we cannot possibly know the ENTIRE truth. I certainly don't discount any lies or embellishments on MacKenzie's part, but do believe the main, ugly point of "consensual incest." As I said before, she is a damaged human being who has had a sordid, painful life.

As far as the molestation, I can even believe she was probably even molested when she was younger by any of the sketchy, drug-infested people involved in her father's life - not just by her father when she was 19. According to her, her drug experience began at age 10, so anything goes after that, as far I'm concerned.

imo

eta - I'd like to hear what your peers in the profession say, as well!

[Mimi428]

CNN has an updated story now. One of the most compelling parts, to me, was that Denny Doherty confirmed to his own daughter that he knew about it.

I guess Michelle Phillips can now trash Denny & say he, too, is "jealous" of Mackenzie's siblings (sarcasm intended).

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/25/chynna.phillips.mackenzie.oprah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Jessica Woods, the daughter of former Mamas & Papas band member Denny Doherty, also wrote in to Winfrey and said her father knew about everything.

"I just watched your show," Woods wrote, "and everything she said is true. My dad told me the awful truth, and he was horrified at what John had done."

[MiamiNice1]

CNN has an updated story now. One of the most compelling parts, to me, was that Denny Doherty confirmed to his own daughter that he knew about it.

I guess Michelle Phillips can now trash Denny & say he, too, is "jealous" of Mackenzie's siblings (sarcasm intended).

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/25/chynna.phillips.mackenzie.oprah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Jessica Woods, the daughter of former Mamas & Papas band member Denny Doherty, also wrote in to Winfrey and said her father knew about everything.

"I just watched your show," Woods wrote, "and everything she said is true. My dad told me the awful truth, and he was horrified at what John had done."

I think some "hinky meters" need to be recalibrated! :sneaky:

Seriously, though, this is a good article and I'm glad people are finding the courage to step up and corroborate. I don't agree with how Mackenzie is doing this so publicly, but that is her issue - she'll be the one to suffer the consequences and/or the rewards.

imo

[jaxback]

I think some "hinky meters" need to be recalibrated! :sneaky:

Seriously, though, this is a good article and I'm glad people are finding the courage to step up and corroborate. I don't agree with how Mackenzie is doing this so publicly, but that is her issue - she'll be the one to suffer the consequences and/or the rewards.

imo

Maybe you are right. The fact that Denny Doherty's daughter is saying this is making me seriously re-think my first reaction. I hate it when my hinky meter is off kilter.:wink:

Also, I haven't heard back from my buds in the profession, but the first one I talked to briefly said she totally believed it could be true.

[lune3]

An article addressing whether incest can actually ever be consensual:

Dr. Thomas Nagy, PhD says "When the victim encounters that abuser again in adulthood, in that moment, they've dissociated into an adolescent mindset again," he points out."
"It's a huge boundary violation that begins in pre-adolescence and adolescence, and those years of conditioning to be subservient just don't go away in adulthood," he explains. "It's easy to regress and dissociate and become an adolescent all over again."

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/mental-health/mackenzie-phillips-incest?icid=main|main|dl2|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.a olhealth.com%2Fcondition-center%2Fmental-health%2Fmackenzie-phillips-incest

I wish MacKenzie Phillips the best, and maybe this will in some way contribute to healing. I believe her story.

ETA..I know she wasn't an adolescent at the time, but regardless, her mindset may have been in that subservient frame given all the drug abuse over time. This girl never grew up individuating as a whole person.

[Ionmhainn]

An article addressing whether incest can actually ever be consensual:

Dr. Thomas Nagy, PhD says "When the victim encounters that abuser again in adulthood, in that moment, they've dissociated into an adolescent mindset again," he points out."
"It's a huge boundary violation that begins in pre-adolescence and adolescence, and those years of conditioning to be subservient just don't go away in adulthood," he explains. "It's easy to regress and dissociate and become an adolescent all over again."

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/mental-health/mackenzie-phillips-incest?icid=main|main|dl2|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.a olhealth.com%2Fcondition-center%2Fmental-health%2Fmackenzie-phillips-incest

I wish MacKenzie Phillips the best, and maybe this will in some way contribute to healing. I believe her story.

ETA..I know she wasn't an adolescent at the time, but regardless, her mindset may have been in that subservient frame given all the drug abuse over time. This girl never grew up individuating as a whole person.


Thanks for posting this. I must confess that I have been very surprised by the response to MP's story. Why shouldn't she tell it? Why should her father get a pass because he is no longer with us? Why should she protect him? He didn't protect her. Even if he were alive, it's not likely that there would be any witnesses. That she makes excuses for him is proof that she was/is very confused re boundaries. Including your child in your drunken or drug fueled parties speaks to her father's failure to set any. The betrayal is his to own, imo.

I don't care what her reasons are for revealing this. I would imagine this was a very heavy secret to carry. I think she has always been pretty harshly treated in the media, with very little attention paid as to why she engaged in such self destructive behavior.

[LadyFuzz]

Well this b*tch was no child at nineteen. A married woman having sex with her father for ten years, she claims. How are we to know she didn't seduce him? :unsure:

I see there will be plenty of idiots going out and buying her book. :laugh:

I won't be buying that book. Who cares about two consenting adults committing incest. It was just as much her doing as his, if it did occur. imo

[flipflop]

EXCLUSIVE: Davy Jones Stands By Mackenzie Phillips


60s’ music icon Davy Jones knew Mackenzie Phillips as a child and told RadarOnline.com exclusively that he stands by her allegations of sexual abuse by her father John Phillips.

“I think maybe she’s reaching out for a solution to a problem that did or didn’t happen,” the former Monkee’s frontman told RadarOnline.com during the Macys and American Express Passport AIDS fundraiser in Los Angeles on Thursday. “If she said it did [happen], I believe it did.”

“You can’t not not believe that this is something that happened,” Jones added. “It might have been drug induced. She might have been in a different place at the time. She had heroin inside her, she had coke inside her and who knows what that does.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-davy-jones-stands-mackenzie-phillips more at link

[Mimi428]

Maybe you are right. The fact that Denny Doherty's daughter is saying this is making me seriously re-think my first reaction. I hate it when my hinky meter is off kilter.:wink:

Also, I haven't heard back from my buds in the profession, but the first one I talked to briefly said she totally believed it could be true.

I am no encyclopedia of all the things John reportedly said or did back in the day, but IIRC he never denied that he raised his kids & lived his life with a "rules don't apply" mentality. Considering all of that, I don't have a problem believing that he was completely capable of committing such a heinous act. Parents who have that mindset raise kids to be a perfect target for all sorts of things that are detrimental, at the very least. Once you add in bad intentions on the part of the parent, you have a kid who is at risk for every sort of evil to be introduced to them & committed against them.

Mackenzie is an addict. She has exhibited bad behaviors in the past. She may not even be a likeable person when sober, to some folks. But even if she is the most unlikeable person in the world, it doesn't make what she says unbelievable. She may not be able to tell it in a way that makes the people who don't like her believe it, but it still doesn't make what she says a lie. If she wasn't sober when it was happening, she would probably never be able to relate the details in what the rest of us would consider a coherent, sensible fashion.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Thanks for posting this. I must confess that I have been very surprised by the response to MP's story. Why shouldn't she tell it? Why should her father get a pass because he is no longer with us? Why should she protect him? He didn't protect her. Even if he were alive, it's not likely that there would be any witnesses. That she makes excuses for him is proof that she was/is very confused re boundaries. Including your child in your drunken or drug fueled parties speaks to her father's failure to set any. The betrayal is his to own, imo.

I don't care what her reasons are for revealing this. I would imagine this was a very heavy secret to carry. I think she has always been pretty harshly treated in the media, with very little attention paid as to why she engaged in such self destructive behavior.

Her own father wrote these lyrics & he was writing about her. What sort of father writes songs about how a 14-year-old "did it" in a limousine?

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:eP_cYxkXPXgJ:www.411mania.com/music/news/117204/Lyrics-From-%255C%255CShe%255C%255Cs-Just-14%255C%255C,-Written-By-Papa-John-Phillips-For-Daughter-MacKenzie.htm+song+lyrics+%22high+on+arrival%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

She's Just 14" Lyrics

She's just 14 - little movie star queen
There isn't much she hasn't seen
She "did it" in a limousine car
She dated pop stars
Hey Rainbow Hair, say that's no where

But she always says
I'm just a sexy trash can
But she's just a little girl, who thinks like a man
And sometimes her Daddy's spoiled her
Sometimes he treated her rough
Sometimes she's gentle
Sometimes she's tough

But she is always too nice to the driver
She says James have you had your supper
And she's always too high on arrival
And she runs on her high platform heels
And she falls flat on her face and she knows how life feels

She got the moves, yeah she got looks
She got the style, she's read all the books
And nobody got her on her hooks
She's on a real smooth trip, yes a real smooth trip

She's always too nice to the driver
She says James have you had your supper
And she's always too high on arrival
And she runs on her high platform heels
And she falls flat on her face and she knows how life feels

I see her sipping her Thunderbird wine
Wonderin' if she's the last word in space and time
And she knows she is, She's so pleased to discover
She's so hip. She's on a smooth trip.

Well she's always too nice to the driver
She says James have you had your supper
And she's always too high on arrival
And she runs on her high platform heels
And she falls flat on her face and she knows how life feels

[mdreeves]

I met Mackenzie in 1989 while working in Pueblo, Colorado. I beleive it was during the time that the state fair was in Pueblo because most of the celebrities stayed at the hotel I worked in. I met Neil Young there as well. Actually sat down at the bar and had drinks with him and his girlfriend. Anyway, I met Mackenzie while waiting to be picked up by my then husband. We were both just sitting in the lobby and we chatted for a bit. I tried not to talk about One Day at a Time or Valerie Bertinelli. I really just tried to keeo the conversation "normal". Mackenzie was very nice and appeared clean. She had on jeans and a t-shirt, kind of hippyish if I remember right. What I do specifically remember is that she was soft spoken yet very genuine. She actually wrote me a note a signed it, which I have kept all these years. I have never been a Mackenzie fan but I have always remembered just how lonely and quiet she seemed. Not happy and excited..perhaps she was tired?? Don't know. Anyway, she did not seem to be the type of person to tell something she didn't beleive?? I only talked to her for half an hour or so but I really liked her and just had a good feeling about her.




I am no encyclopedia of all the things John reportedly said or did back in the day, but IIRC he never denied that he raised his kids & lived his life with a "rules don't apply" mentality. Considering all of that, I don't have a problem believing that he was completely capable of committing such a heinous act. Parents who have that mindset raise kids to be a perfect target for all sorts of things that are detrimental, at the very least. Once you add in bad intentions on the part of the parent, you have a kid who is at risk for every sort of evil to be introduced to them & committed against them.

Mackenzie is an addict. She has exhibited bad behaviors in the past. She may not even be a likeable person when sober, to some folks. But even if she is the most unlikeable person in the world, it doesn't make what she says unbelievable. She may not be able to tell it in a way that makes the people who don't like her believe it, but it still doesn't make what she says a lie. If she wasn't sober when it was happening, she would probably never be able to relate the details in what the rest of us would consider a coherent, sensible fashion.

JMO

[RootBeer]

I won't be buying that book. Who cares about two consenting adults committing incest. It was just as much her doing as his, if it did occur. imo

So now I will buy 2 of her books and give one away in your honor. lol

[lune3]

For a child to grow up to be a psychologically healthy individual who develops a sense of "self", the parents need to adhere to certain family and societal rules in raising them. Since John lived his life where no rules applied, where a fantasy drug induced world was the norm(including for his own child), is it any wonder that MacKenzie turned out the way she did?

She didn't have a chance. She didn't go through the normal developmental stages of childhood and adolescence to becoming a self aware young adult. She was molded by what her parents taught her and what she experienced within family life, and by all accounts her upbringing was disastrous. John had no regard for taboos, no regard for his daughter's personal growth, lived by instant self gratification and "winging" it through life, and had no inkling of the harm he was doing her, IMO.

At 19 and thereafter, I think she was totally devoid of that sense of self and was incapable of making any real decisions for herself as a grown up individual who has learned about self worth and self respect.
Rather, she went with the flow, clueless about what was normal or not, and made worse by the fog of drug addictions and self destructive behaviour.

Frankly, with a background like that, it's a wonder she's still alive. Another may have committed suicide by now or overdosed.

Much as many of us are questioning the timing of her allegations and opening up in public, I think she's reaching out, like Davy Jones says, in her way looking for a solution. She may have come to a point where she's confronting herself and if we feel her judgment is "off", we have to remember that her past was "off" and difficult to relate to.

[withay]

I believe her.

Because of the drug abuse and unstructured (to put it nicely) way she was raised, I agree that she probably has some psychological issues and she may not have all of the details exactly right. Though she was "of age", I do not believe she was a fully formed adult and think her father should have borne more responsibility than her in their "consensuel relationship". In fact, I think she has taken far more responsibility than she is due. I believe she is telling her story so that others living this will know they are not alone; she said as much. She has told this to many people through the years and her son is now an adult who also knows about it.

[Justice4all]

Chynna defended her sister today on Oprah -- where she said she absolutely believes the "hideous" allegations Mackenzie made about their dad, Mamas and the Papas singer John Phillips.

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=47127416-463a-4e83-b87b-67ce52fbf6ed

[MiamiNice1]

I met Mackenzie in 1989 while working in Pueblo, Colorado. I beleive it was during the time that the state fair was in Pueblo because most of the celebrities stayed at the hotel I worked in. I met Neil Young there as well. Actually sat down at the bar and had drinks with him and his girlfriend. Anyway, I met Mackenzie while waiting to be picked up by my then husband. We were both just sitting in the lobby and we chatted for a bit. I tried not to talk about One Day at a Time or Valerie Bertinelli. I really just tried to keeo the conversation "normal". Mackenzie was very nice and appeared clean. She had on jeans and a t-shirt, kind of hippyish if I remember right. What I do specifically remember is that she was soft spoken yet very genuine. She actually wrote me a note a signed it, which I have kept all these years. I have never been a Mackenzie fan but I have always remembered just how lonely and quiet she seemed. Not happy and excited..perhaps she was tired?? Don't know. Anyway, she did not seem to be the type of person to tell something she didn't beleive?? I only talked to her for half an hour or so but I really liked her and just had a good feeling about her.

Thanks for sharing your personal experience, MD. Though we all have many flaws, we are all human beings who need love and support. Sounds like she had every reason to be sad. Hope she will finally get the help that she desperately needs to heal.

lune3- Fantastic post! I so agree with you - I, too, am in amazement that Mackenzie has made it this far alive.

imo

[aproudmom]

I do not know what to think I had the pleasure of watching Bijou Phillips in the 80's when they all came to a Resort and stayed me and my mom was talking about it tonight she was a brat sorry but she was but he was SOOOO protective over her but wanted to make sure she got her way and they were there for 4 days and we had a kids club and she was with us the whole time from morning till the LATE but other than her running away from us and throwing her food in the floor she was the cutest thing....I wish I remembered more about the family other than my sitting experience but it was when I was a teenager IIRC her father had just got custody of her after being taken away from him and her mother or right before her brother was not there I seen several asking about him I never saw him.....

[aproudmom]

For a child to grow up to be a psychologically healthy individual who develops a sense of "self", the parents need to adhere to certain family and societal rules in raising them. Since John lived his life where no rules applied, where a fantasy drug induced world was the norm(including for his own child), is it any wonder that MacKenzie turned out the way she did?

She didn't have a chance. She didn't go through the normal developmental stages of childhood and adolescence to becoming a self aware young adult. She was molded by what her parents taught her and what she experienced within family life, and by all accounts her upbringing was disastrous. John had no regard for taboos, no regard for his daughter's personal growth, lived by instant self gratification and "winging" it through life, and had no inkling of the harm he was doing her, IMO.

At 19 and thereafter, I think she was totally devoid of that sense of self and was incapable of making any real decisions for herself as a grown up individual who has learned about self worth and self respect.
Rather, she went with the flow, clueless about what was normal or not, and made worse by the fog of drug addictions and self destructive behaviour.

Frankly, with a background like that, it's a wonder she's still alive. Another may have committed suicide by now or overdosed.

Much as many of us are questioning the timing of her allegations and opening up in public, I think she's reaching out, like Davy Jones says, in her way looking for a solution. She may have come to a point where she's confronting herself and if we feel her judgment is "off", we have to remember that her past was "off" and difficult to relate to.

wonderful post lune...I was kinda shocked along with my mother and father and another sister who all met Mac and the rest of the family is how normal they were the little one was a little spoiled but other than that they left her in our care did not know us from Adam and my father worked in the bar and also got to talk to them..I am trying to remember just when it was because I am sure they put on a show back then we had shows at the Resort...I think she is telling the truth but for one it is not for me to judge that or anyone else IMO...

[ABC]

So now I will buy 2 of her books and give one away in your honor. lol

I won't be buying or reading the book either. I am not remotely interested in her or her "story". If she choose to have sex with her Dad at age 19, well that is her decision.

[Xenam]

I believe McKenzie is telling the truth - and as a foot forward to healing herself. When James Woods' daughter told her that she was told by her father (the other male member of the Mamas and Papas) and Oprah read her statement - McKenzie specifically stated there were others that could corroborate her story but why drag other people into "her" story?

The only thing I would question is some of the details surrounding the events as she has admitted at that time she was always drugged out so don't know how accurate her memory was - however I do believe the ten-year consensual, incestual relationship she claims. I would also have to believe there ARE others who could corroborate her story much like Woods' daughter. I think the drugs played a HUGE part in this relationship as both of them were probably out of their minds IMO

Having said that - will not be reading the book. JMO

[sickntired]

So now I will buy 2 of her books and give one away in your honor. lol


:thumbsup: Put me down for two as well. Not that I want to read the book, but just the fact that so many people can be in denial of this ever happening. I hope these people are not parents!

[Spyder88]

I believe McKenzie is telling the truth - and as a foot forward to healing herself. When James Woods' daughter told her that she was told by her father (the other male member of the Mamas and Papas) and Oprah read her statement - McKenzie specifically stated there were others that could corroborate her story but why drag other people into "her" story?

The only thing I would question is some of the details surrounding the events as she has admitted at that time she was always drugged out so don't know how accurate her memory was - however I do believe the ten-year consensual, incestual relationship she claims. I would also have to believe there ARE others who could corroborate her story much like Woods' daughter. I think the drugs played a HUGE part in this relationship as both of them were probably out of their minds IMO

Having said that - will not be reading the book. JMO

I totally agree with you. :beer:

Just goes to show how twisted people become when under the influence of such powerful drugs.

I've always felt sorry for Mackenzie. My heart goes out to her and I wish her and her son well in the future. Hopefully this will be the catharsis she has so desperately needed.

[tiptop]

Biography channel is running bios of the Mamas and the Papas. And also of Mackenzie.

[annalyzer]

Just goes to show how twisted people become when under the influence of such powerful drugs.




She was doing pretty well here:

Mackenzie Phillips was high during One Day at a Time reunion

Posted Sep 24th 2009 1:07PM by Bob Sassone
Filed under: Video, Celebrities, Reality-Free

Like you, I wanted to take a shower and pour bleach into my ears after hearing what Mackenzie Phillips had to say on Oprah yesterday (thanks Oprah). But one of the interesting revelations that has come out of all of this is that Phillips had done heroin and was high during a One Day at a Time reunion on Today last year. Here's the clip from that episode.

Bonus: I didn't realize that One Day at a Time was based on the life of Meredith Baxter's family.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23350017

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/09/24/mackenzie-phillips-was-high-during-one-day-at-a-time-reunion/

[forensicpsy~]

She was doing pretty well here:

Mackenzie Phillips was high during One Day at a Time reunion

Posted Sep 24th 2009 1:07PM by Bob Sassone
Filed under: Video, Celebrities, Reality-Free

Like you, I wanted to take a shower and pour bleach into my ears after hearing what Mackenzie Phillips had to say on Oprah yesterday (thanks Oprah). But one of the interesting revelations that has come out of all of this is that Phillips had done heroin and was high during a One Day at a Time reunion on Today last year. Here's the clip from that episode.

Bonus: I didn't realize that One Day at a Time was based on the life of Meredith Baxter's family.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23350017

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/09/24/mackenzie-phillips-was-high-during-one-day-at-a-time-reunion/

How's that possible? :confused:

Meredith's mom was a TV actress named Whitney Blake and her aunt was the famous Ann Baxter.

IIRC there were no actresses on"One Day at a Time."

imo

[withay]

How's that possible? :confused:

Meredith's mom was a TV actress named Whitney Blake and her aunt was the famous Ann Baxter.

IIRC there were no actresses on"One Day at a Time."

imo

Apparently, the part that was based on her was the divorced mother with two teenaged daughters. The creator of the show was the man who eventually married Whitney Blake.

[annalyzer]

How's that possible? :confused:

Meredith's mom was a TV actress named Whitney Blake and her aunt was the famous Ann Baxter.

IIRC there were no actresses on"One Day at a Time."

imo

They discuss it on the Today show link I posted.

[Xenam]

I totally agree with you. :beer:

Just goes to show how twisted people become when under the influence of such powerful drugs.

I've always felt sorry for Mackenzie. My heart goes out to her and I wish her and her son well in the future. Hopefully this will be the catharsis she has so desperately needed.

Absolutely Spyder. My compassion lies with Mackenzie as well and hope she finally gets the healing she so desperately needs. I think what has been missed with the drugs here is that is what actually her own father who turned her on to drugs and at such a young age. Drugs definitely alter the mind and this someone who more than half of her life has been on drugs and just boggles my mind that it was her own father that caused it. It is really sad. :(