Caylee Anthony 9/23

[desmom]

Good Morning! :seeya:

New day, new thread.


Prosecutors want to question witnesses in Casey Anthony case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-092209,0,1836397.story
"What are noticeably absent are the affidavits from their panel of celebrity experts, who appeared for a photo opportunity at the crime scene, indicating that they have examined the available evidence and photographs and find they are insufficient to allow them to arrive at reliable conclusions which might challenge those of the state's experts," the prosecutor wrote.

[Julie Dupree]

Good Morning! :seeya:

New day, new thread.


Good Morning desmom. :seeya:

The local news here is filled with the motion that the state has filed demanding that the defense tell them where and how they kept them from the evidence found on Dec 11.
Guess that will be getting a lot discussion today.
Some of them (reporters) seem to think this will turn out to be the "pre-trial".
Will be interesting to see how far Judge Strickland will let it go.

[Kathlb]

Good morning everyone.
Does anyone else think that the state has had it with the Defense finally and is on the warpath to make them accountable for all they are saying and have said? I do and I think it's high time for some responsibility for their many silly motions. I would think the judge would be ruling on some of these many motions soon.

[desmom]

Good Morning desmom. :seeya:

The local news here is filled with the motion that the state has filed demanding that the defense tell them where and how they kept them from the evidence found on Dec 11.
Guess that will be getting a lot discussion today.
Some of them seem to think this will turn out to be the "pre-trial".
Will be interesting to see how far Judge Strickland will let it go.

Morning. Thanks for the update.

I cannot imagine how the defense think this motion will fly. Common sense says it will not. Legalese is over my head and there is a lot about it that confuses me, so who knows.

[Kathlb]

Morning. Thanks for the update.

I cannot imagine how the defense think this motion will fly. Common sense says it will not. Legalese is over my head and there is a lot about it that confuses me, so who knows.

Morning desmom,
The defense was offered the crime scene the minute the state was finished and they refused to go in. From what I have read and heard, that is normal procedure and nothing more. It was the defense that never bothered to inspect the scene so I don't think any whining will get them anything.

[Julie Dupree]

Morning. Thanks for the update.

I cannot imagine how the defense think this motion will fly. Common sense says it will not. Legalese is over my head and there is a lot about it that confuses me, so who knows.

:) I think this is one thing JB has not been accused of using.

[Julie Dupree]

Morning desmom,
The defense was offered the crime scene the minute the state was finished and they refused to go in. From what I have read and heard, that is normal procedure and nothing more. It was the defense that never bothered to inspect the scene so I don't think any whining will get them anything.

I cant believe even they had any idea it would fly with Judge Strickland. I think it was one of those motions they felt compelled to do to "prove" they were putting on a defense for Casey.
They really don't have much to work with, so they are going to grab any and all opportunities they can think of.
Some of them will be rather pitiful, like this one.
:)Some of them may get them into a world of trouble, like this one.

[Julie Dupree]

Gotta run...enjoy your day:
Maybe we will hear something from Judge Strickland today.
J

[Sun]

Morning desmom,
The defense was offered the crime scene the minute the state was finished and they refused to go in. From what I have read and heard, that is normal procedure and nothing more. It was the defense that never bothered to inspect the scene so I don't think any whining will get them anything.

Good morning everyone! Yes, the defense was offered the crime scene, just as soon as the investigators were finished processing it. Has anyone found a link to the actual response document that was filed?

Does anyone remember someone from the defense saying that they did go to the site on Suburban Drive, under the cover of darkness? (as in they didn't want anyone seeing what they were up to).

[sydney]

Morning desmom,
The defense was offered the crime scene the minute the state was finished and they refused to go in. From what I have read and heard, that is normal procedure and nothing more. It was the defense that never bothered to inspect the scene so I don't think any whining will get them anything.

morning everyone! defense experts can and do rely on photographic and other evidence, other than that found in situ, ALL THE TIME. what if this discovery had been made and caylee not identified for years, or her killer not apprehended for years? would the defense be allowed to get away with the charges being thrown out because they didn't inspect the actual, physical crime scene? i say NO.

[spydernweb2006]

Im happy to see the Pro's make the defense put up or shut up!

How foolish and irresponsible it would have been IF the remains werent Caylee and they had let the defense "experts" in before the remains were positively ID'd.

The def knows procedure and that NEVER, EVER is anyone allowed into a crime scene until LE is finished with it. I think its unfair for the defense to claim foul when they are the ones going against standard legal procedure. The rules are in place for a reason and noone, even Casey, her def or family should be allowed to bend the rules.....


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

**ETA Correct spelling error

[Rapunzel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nOwn6mNDCQ

This is a video from Geraldo, Baez and his dream team are outside the crime scene complaining about not being able to view LE collecting evidence...remember at this time the body was not identified...so why would KC's defense team be allowed in there???...

[Sun]

http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf

I've been thinking a bit more about this Motion to Compel DCasey to sit for a depo. I recall Baez filing a motion in Dec 2008, to ask Judge Strickland to appoint a special master if LE was going to interview DCasey. (unknown to Baez, LE had already conducted their interview of DCasey with BConway present).

I am trying to find a link to the Motion that Baez filed. In that Motion, I think that he specifically indicated the period of time that DCasey was employed by Baez (at least one media article indicated this). If so, wouldn't that document/motion and Baez's testimony in the court that day, be somewhat helpful to support the Motion that Morgan just filed?

Anyone know where I could find a link to that motion? I've been searching for a while this morning, and am coming up empty handed.

[desmom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nOwn6mNDCQ

This is a video from Geraldo, Baez and his dream team are outside the crime scene complaining about not being able to view LE collecting evidence...remember at this time the body was not identified...so why would KC's defense team be allowed in there???...

Thanks. Here is another one http://www.wesh.com/video/18275046/index.html

Because it mentions Lee taking down the memorial on Saturday, I believe the date of this video is 12/13/08.

jmo

[Sun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nOwn6mNDCQ

This is a video from Geraldo, Baez and his dream team are outside the crime scene complaining about not being able to view LE collecting evidence...remember at this time the body was not identified...so why would KC's defense team be allowed in there???...

Here in another motion to inspect crime scene that Baez filed, on Jan 20.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Inspect%20Crime%20Scene.pdf

[jaxback]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nOwn6mNDCQ

This is a video from Geraldo, Baez and his dream team are outside the crime scene complaining about not being able to view LE collecting evidence...remember at this time the body was not identified...so why would KC's defense team be allowed in there???...

Because they're special?:rolleyes:

Has anyone heard from Lavinia?

[spydernweb2006]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nOwn6mNDCQ

This is a video from Geraldo, Baez and his dream team are outside the crime scene complaining about not being able to view LE collecting evidence...remember at this time the body was not identified...so why would KC's defense team be allowed in there???...

IMO they KNEW that body/remains were Caylee. They knew long before the FBI ran the DNA. IMO they not only knew but they purposely did nothing and sat on that info so Casey could get an easier trial. No body would have left doubt and they knew it. They threw such a fit about the scene because once blocked out of it they couldnt contaminate it to push evidence away from Casey. I honestly believe had LE not been watching that area so close someone from the Anthony family or def would have been to the area and planted stuff to make Casey look innocent. They were hoping to get in there, and pull a Spector. These are all MY opinions, I dont say I am right but this is what I believe until proven otherwise.....


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[cassidy]

Because they're special?:rolleyes:

Has anyone heard from Lavinia?


they only think thy're special

no and I was wondering about her last nite?

[cassidy]

IMO they KNEW that body/remains were Caylee. They knew long before the FBI ran the DNA. IMO they not only knew but they purposely did nothing and sat on that info so Casey could get an easier trial. No body would have left doubt and they knew it. They threw such a fit about the scene because once blocked out of it they couldnt contaminate it to push evidence away from Casey. I honestly believe had LE not been watching that area so close someone from the Anthony family or def would have been to the area and planted stuff to make Casey look innocent. They were hoping to get in there, and pull a Spector. These are all MY opinions, I dont say I am right but this is what I believe until proven otherwise.....


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

Sadly I think they knew too. And that makes my stomach turn. I know it's the way our justice systems works, but somehow it just doesn't seem right. :(

JMO

[jaxback]

Sadly I think they knew too. And that makes my stomach turn. I know it's the way our justice systems works, but somehow it just doesn't seem right. :(

JMO

I went back and forth over what they knew and when, but after the DCasey incident, I concluded there was no way they didn't know. It's sickening.:angry:

Cassidy, I just pm'd you.

[Rapunzel]

Thanks. Here is another one http://www.wesh.com/video/18275046/index.html

Because it mentions Lee taking down the memorial on Saturday, I believe the date of this video is 12/13/08.

jmo


Thanks Desmom...Love seeing that part with Lee in his Darth Vader tube sock costume...:biggrin:

[martha]

Good morning my good friends. hope you all have a wonderful day. Just hope we get some news today on what is going on. The def.knew where CAYLEE;S body was and the whole an;s family knew. It is just like you all or saying if they did not find her body then casey had a good chance of getting out of this. I am so glad they found her body.There has been body that were never found. casey is not smart enougth to think of a place like that. I sure am glad she did not think of a place like that. jmho:wub:

[legalmania]

Isn't this something that a jury should decide? First of all the judge hasn't even ruled on what is evidence and what isn't? I think the prosecution is jumping the gun.

[breezie]

Isn't this something that a jury should decide? First of all the judge hasn't even ruled on what is evidence and what isn't? I think the prosecution is jumping the gun.

No, because if they don't present their argument, the Judge only has one side's argument about the motion. And we ALL know we can't just accept Jose's word on stuff. I want to hear from Lee and all that they can't effectively work this case. I've seen them on the stand before when they opined ONLY on photos even when they HAD the opportunity to view the actual scene/evidence. Put up or shut up UNDER OATH.

[breezie]

Thanks Desmom...Love seeing that part with Lee in his Darth Vader tube sock costume...:biggrin:

Isn't that the Cross that Cindy whacked the heck out of in the back yard!? RIP dear Cross. :glare:

[sydney]

Isn't this something that a jury should decide? First of all the judge hasn't even ruled on what is evidence and what isn't? I think the prosecution is jumping the gun.

do you think that what is discovered at the crime scene could possibly be refused to be admitted as evidence? they discovered caylee's remains, among other things. that is evidence in my book. no need for the judge to rule on it.

[marshmallow]

Isn't this something that a jury should decide? First of all the judge hasn't even ruled on what is evidence and what isn't? I think the prosecution is jumping the gun.




the defense opened the door.

[breezie]

the defense opened the door.

AND the motion doesn't say what is/isn't evidence...it is accusing the State of spoilage. Darn straight the Prosecution gets to have the burden of proof shifted to the defense on this one...

[Scampi]

Isn't this something that a jury should decide? First of all the judge hasn't even ruled on what is evidence and what isn't? I think the prosecution is jumping the gun.

No, this is an issue for Judge Strickland to decide. But, I must admit to wanting to see this desperate defense team tell a jury that the good law enforcement officers of the FBI, who were down on their hands and knees looking for poor Caylee, were actually purposely contaminating the crimescene. Oh yeah, I'd pay to see that.

[sydney]

can i ask a stoopid question? i thought a judge just determines what evidence is admissable and inadmissable - not what constitutes evidence. that's for the prosecution to decide.

tia.

[ttcRider]

Thanks Desmom...Love seeing that part with Lee in his Darth Vader tube sock costume...:biggrin:

Not many men can pull that look off as well as Lee :laugh:

[legalmania]

do you think that what is discovered at the crime scene could possibly be refused to be admitted as evidence? they discovered caylee's remains, among other things. that is evidence in my book. no need for the judge to rule on it.

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?

[breezie]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence.
We aren't at that stage yet. The Prosecution has not offered anything to the court yet. The defense is accusing the State of spoilage. Got any comments on the pressing issue?

The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?

Considering they already had an issue with hair showing up after Henry Lee, AND a previous Judge made a ruling he most likely hid evidence at a prior crime scene... I wouldn't let him anywhere near it.

Can you cite a case where the defense was allowed in an active crime scene? Go ahead, I'll wait. Thanks!

[sydney]

legal, i may be going way out on a limb here, but i think that's incorrect. i can't believe a judge would tell the prosecution WHAT constitutes evidence. they can say if the evidence is SUFFICIENT, or admissable or inadmissable, but they can't say to the prosecution "no, i don't think that's evidence so you can't admit it."

of course, ready to be proven wrong.

[spydernweb2006]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?

The defnse could NOT observe a crime scene where remains were at when its not known WHO was victim was. LE had no PROOF of who the remains were until the FBI Lab did DNA testing. Baez and team should not have been allowed to plow thru, and they knew it. There was always a chance that those remains were not Caylee's and they could have contaminated a crime scene they had no business in. LE operated in standard procedure, they work ed the scene and released it to the def once they were done. Maybe if the Anthony's wanted DNA done faster they would have released the correct items of Caylee's for ID purposes from the begining.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Rapunzel]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?


Why would the defense team of KC be allowed at the crime scene???...Caylee's body was not identified at that time...we can all speculate that they knew or suspected...but regardless...it was not known at that time. Do they generally just let anyone in to observe a crime scene when they may have nothing to do with the case???

[legalmania]

can i ask a stoopid question? i thought a judge just determines what evidence is admissable and inadmissable - not what constitutes evidence. that's for the prosecution to decide.

tia.

Now now sydney no questions asked on this board are stupid, The judge does decide what evidence is admissible, what constitute evidence is in the evidence code. That is something both the prosecution and defense would argue in a motion.

[Rapunzel]

Didn't Stan the Man rule on that by saying he could not provide the defense to be able to go in there and disrupt an active investigation???

[sydney]

The defnse could NOT observe a crime scene where remains were at when its not known WHO was victim was. LE had no PROOF of who the remains were until the FBI Lab did DNA testing. Baez and team should not have been allowed to plow thru, and they knew it. There was always a chance that those remains were not Caylee's and they could have contaminated a crime scene they had no business in. LE operated in standard procedure, they work ed the scene and released it to the def once they were done. Maybe if the Anthony's wanted DNA done faster they would have released the correct items of Caylee's for ID purposes from the begining.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

spyder - the defense should have just fessed up that they knew those were caylee's remains, so they would get to supervise and consequently, this issue wouldn't exist. i don't believe they can now cry "foul" over a situation they essentially created by not divulging that they KNEW those were caylee's remains.

i hope jb and team don't play poker. their "tells" would SCREAM to other players.

[marshmallow]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?

why would they allow a ny defense to "observe" them collecting the bones of an unknown victim? is that common standards, letting any old defensive team "observe" the excavation of the remains of a victim, especially an UNKNOWN victim.

unless............. the defense is saying they knew it was Caylee.. hmmm

[marinewife5]

spyder - the defense should have just fessed up that they knew those were caylee's remains, so they would get to supervise and consequently, this issue wouldn't exist. i don't believe they can now cry "foul" over a situation they essentially created by not divulging that they KNEW those were caylee's remains.

i hope jb and team don't play poker. their "tells" would SCREAM to other players.

i believe that casey had access to that crime scene long before LE did. i believe there is something specific there the defense is looking for in LE's evidence based on information from casey. it could be real or it could be along the lines of the rest of casey's life--delusional. i believe either there is something she needed jose to go in and remove, or something that would be helpful to plant. i am convinced that casey is calling every shot in that defense (and my have written some of those motions herself) and her team goes along rather than give up that valuable camera time. she knows she's a hot legal commodity right now and is going to milk it for all it's worth....it's all about the control to her.

jmo

[legalmania]

The defnse could NOT observe a crime scene where remains were at when its not known WHO was victim was. LE had no PROOF of who the remains were until the FBI Lab did DNA testing. Baez and team should not have been allowed to plow thru, and they knew it. There was always a chance that those remains were not Caylee's and they could have contaminated a crime scene they had no business in. LE operated in standard procedure, they work ed the scene and released it to the def once they were done. Maybe if the Anthony's wanted DNA done faster they would have released the correct items of Caylee's for ID purposes from the begining.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

They were not asking to do anything but observe. They weren't going to be directly involved in the digging. What would have been the harm to just let them observe? Everyone knew it was Caylee , right down the street from her house, the condition of the body would coincide with a 2 year old and the condition of the body was similar to someone missing for months.

[marshmallow]

They were not asking to do anything but observe. They weren't going to be directly involved in the digging. What would have been the harm to just let them observe? Everyone knew it was Caylee , right down the street from her house, the condition of the body would coincide with a 2 year old and the condition of the body was similar to someone missing for months.



but the defense had just stated Caylee was alive and well in <insert state here>, so based on their own "leads" and info, what reasoning would there have been for them observing a crime scene of an unknown while at the same time they claimed Caylee was alive?


No decent and capable LE allows for lookyloos at a crime scene. Imagine if they did. The LE did their job, good for them.

[Rapunzel]

but the defense had just stated Caylee was alive and well in <insert state here>, so based on their own "leads" and info, what reasoning would there have been for them observing a crime scene of an unknown while at the same time they claimed Caylee was alive?


No decent and capable LE allows for lookyloos at a crime scene. Imagine if they did. The LE did their job, good for them.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[cassidy]

Not many men can pull that look off as well as Lee :laugh:


Ummmmm....well..........IMO Lee didn't pull it off so well either :scared::w00t:

[marinewife5]

They were not asking to do anything but observe. They weren't going to be directly involved in the digging. What would have been the harm to just let them observe? Everyone knew it was Caylee , right down the street from her house, the condition of the body would coincide with a 2 year old and the condition of the body was similar to someone missing for months.

given the originally undetermined scope of the crime scene and the recent weather activity, it would have been irresponsible for LE to have allowed anyone other than LE in the area where evidence was being collected. i do not recall anyone on the defense's side escorted from the perimeter of the scene while the grounds were being processed (but i may be wrong). the officials were not there to destroy casey's case. they were there to find justice for a child, who was eventually determined to be caylee. should they have put out an announcement to all potential perps of a child's murder and had them show up with their attorneys? in a perfect world, yes, the defense experts and LE would have equal access to a crime scene and not have any evidence destroyed or created. but then again, in a perfect world, children wouldn't appear in the same sentence as crime scene.

jmo

[sydney]

i believe that casey had access to that crime scene long before LE did. i believe there is something specific there the defense is looking for in LE's evidence based on information from casey. it could be real or it could be along the lines of the rest of casey's life--delusional. i believe either there is something she needed jose to go in and remove, or something that would be helpful to plant. i am convinced that casey is calling every shot in that defense (and my have written some of those motions herself) and her team goes along rather than give up that valuable camera time. she knows she's a hot legal commodity right now and is going to milk it for all it's worth....it's all about the control to her.

jmo

bbm

perhaps it has something to do with the missing lanyard cindy seemed so upset about? hmmmmm.

[dohinmom]

hello

let's say LE went with assumption it was Caylee's remains and allowed casey's defense team to observe.

then let's say, once the official dna identification cma eback and it WASN'T Caylee's remains.

can you imagine what the defense team of the accused of that muder victim would say then? they could say that the crime scene was contaminated from LE allowing baez and his team in to observe. Because, let's face it. In order for them to even just observe, they would have to practically be in the crime scene to see anything.

IMO the state and LE were correct in not allowing the defence anywhere near the crime scene.

[sydney]

let's turn it around - why would le deliberately contaminate a crime scene without knowing the identify of the remains and who the perpetrator might be? does anyone think they would have "planted" evidence to make it seem like kc was the culprit BEFORE KNOWING this was definitely caylee they found?

if so, how bizarre, how bizarre.

[Pam1569]

Good morning everyone! Yes, the defense was offered the crime scene, just as soon as the investigators were finished processing it. Has anyone found a link to the actual response document that was filed?

Does anyone remember someone from the defense saying that they did go to the site on Suburban Drive, under the cover of darkness? (as in they didn't want anyone seeing what they were up to).

Good morning Sun :seeya:

According to cfnews13 the crime scene was released to the defense on the 18th of December, 2008. Also there was a hearing on 12/16/2008 that was for the same exact motion that the defense just redid this last week. Also Baez was interviewed after that hearing also. You can find them all at www.cfnews13.com/Features/Caylee/Video/default.aspx?refresh=1.
I believe that it was LKB that was interviewed on the Today show that is when she said that the defense went under cover of night to look at the crime scene. IIRC. jmo

[need2no]

bbm

perhaps it has something to do with the missing lanyard cindy seemed so upset about? hmmmmm.

Perhaps it was that Tiffany ring Cindy asked casey about during a jail house visit. casey responded she didn't know what happened to it.

Sure would be nice to find out LE had discovered this (well photographed) ring at the crime scene.

[Pam1569]

Here in another motion to inspect crime scene that Baez filed, on Jan 20.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Inspect%20Crime%20Scene.pdf

Sun IIRC that motion that Baez filed was because the property owner had put up no trespassing signs on the crime scene, because they had not been out there before hand to inspect. Again it is the defense dragging their feet and delaying. jmo

[sydney]

Perhaps it was that Tiffany ring Cindy asked casey about during a jail house visit. casey responded she didn't know what happened to it.

Sure would be nice to find out LE had discovered this (well photographed) ring at the crime scene.

i don't recall that conversation. guess i'll have to read up on it. :rolleyes: it would be nice to find out le had discovered the lanyard as well....i think there has been some speculation it was used to strangle caylee.

[jaxback]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?


bolded red mine:

Are you talking about U.S. law? Please cite one case ever in which the defense was allowed to supervise a crime scene.

[marinewife5]

Perhaps it was that Tiffany ring Cindy asked casey about during a jail house visit. casey responded she didn't know what happened to it.

Sure would be nice to find out LE had discovered this (well photographed) ring at the crime scene.

i'm not an attorney, but here's my logic: if LE found something incriminating to casey, if they did not share it during discovery, they can't share it at the trial. and what could have possibly been there that would clear casey that LE would hide? it would have to be something HUGE to discount everything else at the crime scene.
the defense simply hasn't found a loophole in the info they received, so they are trying to create the illusion that there is more out there that the prosecution is refusing to share. if only casey could run a defense team as well as a photo booth at an amusement park (employee of the year, i hear)

jmo

[legalmania]

but the defense had just stated Caylee was alive and well in <insert state here>, so based on their own "leads" and info, what reasoning would there have been for them observing a crime scene of an unknown while at the same time they claimed Caylee was alive?


No decent and capable LE allows for lookyloos at a crime scene. Imagine if they did. The LE did their job, good for them.

These are not just some spectators this is the defense team who has a right to everything the prosecution has.

[Pam1569]

IMO they KNEW that body/remains were Caylee. They knew long before the FBI ran the DNA. IMO they not only knew but they purposely did nothing and sat on that info so Casey could get an easier trial. No body would have left doubt and they knew it. They threw such a fit about the scene because once blocked out of it they couldnt contaminate it to push evidence away from Casey. I honestly believe had LE not been watching that area so close someone from the Anthony family or def would have been to the area and planted stuff to make Casey look innocent. They were hoping to get in there, and pull a Spector. These are all MY opinions, I dont say I am right but this is what I believe until proven otherwise.....


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

Hi Spyder, I agree with you that they must have known or why else would they have all their pro's at the scene ready to go on the 12th and then have them there at the scene on the 13th. Or have the evidence that OC gave them in September of last year, but not turn it over to the state until after it was determined to be Caylee (such as the birth cord). all jmo

[marshmallow]

bolded red mine:

Are you talking about U.S. law? Please cite one case ever in which the defense was allowed to supervise a crime scene.



especially one where the victims remains had not been identified

[Imperfect4]

Good morning everyone.
Does anyone else think that the state has had it with the Defense finally and is on the warpath to make them accountable for all they are saying and have said? I do and I think it's high time for some responsibility for their many silly motions. I would think the judge would be ruling on some of these many motions soon.

Good morning, Kathlb ...

I also think the state is fed up. Or it's wishful thinking on my part, lol.

I know I'm fed up. :cursing:

[legalmania]

Hi Spyder, I agree with you that they must have known or why else would they have all their pro's at the scene ready to go on the 12th and then have them there at the scene on the 13th. Or have the evidence that OC gave them in September of last year, but not turn it over to the state until after it was determined to be Caylee (such as the birth cord). all jmo

Well the prosecution had everybody there on the 12th. It's a good team that is prepared for anything.

[spydernweb2006]

Can you imagine the legal nightmare had the state allowed the defense to go in for any reason before the remains were positively Id'd and they ended up belonging to someone else! Now due to being nice to Ole Jose and Co the State has just comprimised a whole different crime scene and possibly allowed another child murderer to get off. Lets not even go into Privacy issues any family or victim member could now claim against the state.

Now I could see allowing the defense watching rights IF the victim were known at the time of discovery but in THIS INSTANCE the victim was skeletonized and unable for positive ID until a Lab could run DNA.

Again WHY should Jose be and co be allowed special priviliedges? Remember up until lab DNA the remains were baby jane doe NOT Caylee Anthony.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[Pruddennce]

These are not just some spectators this is the defense team who has a right to everything the prosecution has.

the remains were NOT identified at that time. the dream team is front and center in front of a camera talking about their client's rights, and their dismay that they cannot get CLOSE ENOUGH to watch WHILE LE is processing "A" scene?

hmmmmmmmmmm....interesting. unidentified remains.

its unheard for the defense to step into any crime scene. they were given full access when LE completed processing the area. they were in front of the cameras to infer something nefarious was occuring at that very moment....knowing full well they were not permitted to be in there. they were distanced, as any other person would be.

this is something they should raise at trial, do their blah blah blah in front of the jury and bring on witnesses...which of course would be their experts who could whine about NO ACCESS during the process (which of course they would carefully word to infer they had a right to be side by side with LE.....then LE/state would clear that up in a heartbeat).....



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Numbers]

Good morning, Kathlb ...

I also think the state is fed up. Or it's wishful thinking on my part, lol.

I know I'm fed up. :cursing:

I'm fed up, too. And not just with the defense.

[Imperfect4]

Didn't Stan the Man rule on that by saying he could not provide the defense to be able to go in there and disrupt an active investigation???

Yes, he sure did. :thumbup:

What I'm just super impressed with from the defense is the accusation from their latest Motionfest that the state deliberately withheld confirmation the remains were Caylee's for several days for the purpose of keeping the crime scene/dump site to themselves to further "contaminate."

Imo, it's this kind of accusation that gets Ashton's back up and results in the state tightening the screws on the defense.

I realize it's part of the *game* for the defense to accuse the prosecution of anything and everything ... but they do it at their own peril to some extent. imo

[breezie]

First of all your asking me to do something that is time consuming, unless I'm being paid or it will benefit me I don't do research for nothing. I may do it if I find myself with free time.

You could consider it a learning experience...lol. It will take a long time to find NOTHING, though.

[cassidy]

These are not just some spectators this is the defense team who has a right to everything the prosecution has.

After the crime scene is cleared by LE. I think what is being forgotten is that the remains had not been identified. The defense had the right to go in once the area was cleared and the remains identified. They declined.

[Rapunzel]

I think Legal keeps missing the line...the body was not identified yet...

[legalmania]

bolded red mine:

Are you talking about U.S. law? Please cite one case ever in which the defense was allowed to supervise a crime scene.


I'm going to do this though send portions of the evidence code:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0090/SEC104.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0090-%3ESection%20104#0090.104

[need2no]

i'm not an attorney, but here's my logic: if LE found something incriminating to casey, if they did not share it during discovery, they can't share it at the trial. and what could have possibly been there that would clear casey that LE would hide? it would have to be something HUGE to discount everything else at the crime scene.
the defense simply hasn't found a loophole in the info they received, so they are trying to create the illusion that there is more out there that the prosecution is refusing to share. if only casey could run a defense team as well as a photo booth at an amusement park (employee of the year, i hear)

jmo


I'm not an attorney either, but I agree with you. At some point the State would have to share this as discovery prior to the trial and I have no doubt they would do so, if in fact they discovered a Tiffany heart ring like the one casey has been photographed wearing.

Good question....nothing could have been at a crime scene that would clear casey. I suppose the defense is implying LE 'planted' evidence against casey, (what, I don't know), and/or destroyed any evidence that would prove or show some reasonable doubt that someone other than casey may have dumped the body, and/or was involved in the crime.

They are desperate to come up with something to tarnish the State's case against casey. As much as I don't like it, that is their job.

[marinewife5]

the remains were NOT identified at that time. the dream team is front and center in front of a camera talking about their client's rights, and their dismay that they cannot get CLOSE ENOUGH to watch WHILE LE is processing "A" scene?

hmmmmmmmmmm....interesting. unidentified remains.

its unheard for the defense to step into any crime scene. they were given full access when LE completed processing the area. they were in front of the cameras to infer something nefarious was occuring at that very moment....knowing full well they were not permitted to be in there. they were distanced, as any other person would be.

this is something they should raise at trial, do their blah blah blah in front of the jury and bring on witnesses...which of course would be their experts who could whine about NO ACCESS during the process (which of course they would carefully word to infer they had a right to be side by side with LE.....then LE/state would clear that up in a heartbeat).....



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


the minute that defense teams are allowed to "witness" crime scene investigation, that opens an ugly door to an even uglier room: will defense lawyers be allowed in the hospital room while a rape victims exam is performed? will they sit in on the therapy sessions of a pedophile's 5 year old victim?

jmo

[Kathlb]

Why would the defense team of KC be allowed at the crime scene???...Caylee's body was not identified at that time...we can all speculate that they knew or suspected...but regardless...it was not known at that time. Do they generally just let anyone in to observe a crime scene when they may have nothing to do with the case???

I think they KNEW it was her for sure, but they can't say so. So they just file stupid motions.

[Imperfect4]

but the defense had just stated Caylee was alive and well in <insert state here>, so based on their own "leads" and info, what reasoning would there have been for them observing a crime scene of an unknown while at the same time they claimed Caylee was alive?


No decent and capable LE allows for lookyloos at a crime scene. Imagine if they did. The LE did their job, good for them.

And I can just hear it at trial, the defense claiming the crime scene was contaminated -- by them. :rolleyes:

Baez to jury: The OCSD will allow anyone into their crime scenes! Why, they even let ME in! ME! Heck, I can't even form a complete sentence, and they allowed ME into their crime scene! God only knows what I did in there! I suck as an attorney and that's what I do for a living ... imagine how badly I could muck up a crime scene investigation!

[sydney]

i have a headache all of a sudden - must be from banging it against the wall of my office.

[need2no]

I'm fed up, too. And not just with the defense.

That makes 2 of us. >sigh<

Reminds me of the old song:

Oh the games people play now
Every night and every day now
Never meaning what they say now
Never saying what they mean

[Numbers]

I'm going to do this though send portions of the evidence code:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0090/SEC104.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0090-%3ESection%20104#0090.104

This does not answer the question.

[breezie]

And I can just hear it at trial, the defense claiming the crime scene was contaminated -- by them. :rolleyes:

Baez to jury: The OCSD will allow anyone into their crime scenes! Why, they even let ME in! ME! Heck, I can't even form a complete sentence, and they allowed ME into their crime scene! God only knows what I did in there! I suck as an attorney and that's what I do for a living ... imagine how badly I could muck up a crime scene investigation!

:laugh: Thanks. I needed that.

[sydney]

i hate to repeat myself (okay maybe not so much) BUT

why would le contaminate the scene before knowing the identity of the remains? in an attempt to frame kc? my goodness - what if the remains turned out to belong to someone else, or be an animal fgs?

makes no sense to me, at all. sounds too much like another case i'm familiar with.

[Kathlb]

They were not asking to do anything but observe. They weren't going to be directly involved in the digging. What would have been the harm to just let them observe? Everyone knew it was Caylee , right down the street from her house, the condition of the body would coincide with a 2 year old and the condition of the body was similar to someone missing for months.

If it were my baby and they let the defense in with old "pick it up and throw it away" Dr. Lee, and then they realized it wasn't Caylee but was my child who had been missing, I would have blown a gasket and filed all sorts of charges on LE for being so careless before they even knew who the child was. No law enforcement group would be that stupid to do it.

[Dtviewer3]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?


No, 'they' never, ever let the defense supervise ANY crime scene.
They hadnt even identified the remains as being Caylee at that time so why would ANY defense be allowed to supervise anything.

Good grief would you please stop spreading this nonsense.........:thumbdown:

[Numbers]

i have a headache all of a sudden - must be from banging it against the wall of my office.

No, it's not from banging your head.

Sooooooooo, what do you think of Ashton's request for affidavits from the defense "experts?"

[marshmallow]

These are not just some spectators this is the defense team who has a right to everything the prosecution has.

any old defensive team is NOT allowed to be on an active crime scene. at the time, no one knew whose bones they were recovering. it would be irresponsible of the LE to allow this band of legal -wits to be there. I'm very glad the LE acted professionally.

[need2no]

In the words of Judge Strickland:

The judge called the latest defense motions -- which asked for a second autopsy and access to crime scene photos, video and sketches from the site -- "pure folly."
"I can't assist you in interfering with a murder investigation," 9th Circuit Judge Stan Strickland told defense attorneys for Casey Anthony.

"There's no time clock on an investigation, and if law enforcement doesn't do an exhaustive job, defense will argue it was shoddy and inadequate," Strickland said, in explaining why he rejected the motion.
"Law enforcement has the obligation to get out there and do whatever they need to do, disrupt whatever they need to disrupt," the judge said. "... I can't stand in their way."


:thumbsup:

[spydernweb2006]

i have a headache all of a sudden - must be from banging it against the wall of my office.

/e passes a bottle of headache medicine...

Good thing I have a doc appt this afternoon, maybe he can remove the keyboard keys from my forehead and prescribe me bp meds....


Sigh what alot dont understand is....

UNTIL the FBI Lab had DNA proof of the remains those remains were BABY JANE DOE, NOT Caylee. The defense has NO right to jump into ANY crime scene BEFORE its released to them.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Kathlb]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?

I would like a link to that information concerning how LE Usually lets the defense into a crime scene to supervise please. Since you stated that, you must have a case or cases in mind. I'd like to know what they are so I can read the info on those cases.

[marinewife5]

i hate to repeat myself (okay maybe not so much) BUT

why would le contaminate the scene before knowing the identity of the remains? in an attempt to frame kc? my goodness - what if the remains turned out to belong to someone else, or be an animal fgs?

makes no sense to me, at all. sounds too much like another case i'm familiar with.

to me, the defense continuously implies that the world evolves around casey, hence, my opinion that lkb, jb, al, etc. are all her little worker bees. she's dangling those tv spots and book sales over their heads. LE is soooo jealous of casey and her family, they have made a massive group effort to destroy their dynasty. and it goes without saying (but i'll say it anyway) that toppling casey is wayyyyyy more important than justice for caylee. can anyone recall even one little blurb from ANYONE on the defense side or the anthony family demanding (or even wanting) justice for caylee? anyone?

jmo

[Pam1569]

Well the prosecution had everybody there on the 12th. It's a good team that is prepared for anything.

legalmania, I was referring to the defense having their pro's there not the prosecution. The State, OCSO, FBI and the OCCO had every right and legal right to be there at an active crime scene. The defense has no right to tromp into a crime scene, especially before the crime scene is determined who it is. If you look at the link I posted above of the court hearing on the 16th of December on cfnews13 Strickland states the law to the defense that he cannot allow them to enter the scene until it has been turned over to them. And when is was turned over to them they didn't go and when they finally decided to go the property owner put up no trespassing signs and then the defense had to go through the motion of letting them go onto the property through a court order. If the defense had just gone to the scene when it was released they wouldn't have had that problem. And it was released 2 days after the court hearing. jmo

[marshmallow]

No, it's not from banging your head.

Sooooooooo, what do you think of Ashton's request for affidavits from the defense "experts?"

thanks! I agree, let's move on from the same old same old.

I think the Defense will twisticate in circles trying to find a reason why they can't

[sydney]

No, it's not from banging your head.

Sooooooooo, what do you think of Ashton's request for affidavits from the defense "experts?"

i actually liked the way he phrased it. i think it got the point across without being too nasty and i think the judge may pay a little more attention to it BECAUSE of the way it was written.

i think he is absolutely correct in asking for supporting documents - not allowing mere allegations to stand - i think it's a "put up or shut up" shot over the defense's bow.

imho, sometimes affidavits aren't worth the paper they're printed on. hate to say it and will prolly get shot all full of holes, but the defense experts will OF COURSE say something to support baez's motion.

we will see.

[Kathlb]

In the words of Judge Strickland:

The judge called the latest defense motions -- which asked for a second autopsy and access to crime scene photos, video and sketches from the site -- "pure folly."
"I can't assist you in interfering with a murder investigation," 9th Circuit Judge Stan Strickland told defense attorneys for Casey Anthony.

"There's no time clock on an investigation, and if law enforcement doesn't do an exhaustive job, defense will argue it was shoddy and inadequate," Strickland said, in explaining why he rejected the motion.
"Law enforcement has the obligation to get out there and do whatever they need to do, disrupt whatever they need to disrupt," the judge said. "... I can't stand in their way."


:thumbsup:


Absolutely! I remember that well, and he isn't going to be pleased that they are trying it once again when he's already ruled. And since they did, the state has every right to make them spell it out. The defense just throws those balls of info out like they are true. Now the state and I'm sure the judge, will make them state it in court just like they did with Malacuso. (sp)

[jaxback]

This does not answer the question.

You took the words right out of my, uh, keyboard.

Sorry Legal, there is not one mention in what you cited of the defense being in charge of a crime scene. Ever.

[Dtviewer3]

I'm going to do this though send portions of the evidence code:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0090/SEC104.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0090-%3ESection%20104#0090.104

That has NOTHING to do with your ridiculous claim. Nothing.
Zero.

[sydney]

to me, the defense continuously implies that the world evolves around casey, hence, my opinion that lkb, jb, al, etc. are all her little worker bees. she's dangling those tv spots and book sales over their heads. LE is soooo jealous of casey and her family, they have made a massive group effort to destroy their dynasty. and it goes without saying (but i'll say it anyway) that toppling casey is wayyyyyy more important than justice for caylee. can anyone recall even one little blurb from ANYONE on the defense side or the anthony family demanding (or even wanting) justice for caylee? anyone?

jmo

nope. not me.

[Numbers]

i actually liked the way he phrased it. i think it got the point across without being too nasty and i think the judge may pay a little more attention to it BECAUSE of the way it was written.

i think he is absolutely correct in asking for supporting documents - not allowing mere allegations to stand - i think it's a "put up or shut up" shot over the defense's bow.

imho, sometimes affidavits aren't worth the paper they're printed on. hate to say it and will prolly get shot all full of holes, but the defense experts will OF COURSE say something to support baez's motion.

we will see.


I can see it now:

"I coulda done a better job if I had been on the scene as it was being processed."

"**I** would not have collected _____ that way."

"LE messed up _________ by not putting in a paper sack before putting it in a plastic sack."

Blah blah blah.

I also want to read the entire motion, not just the juicy pieces reported. Ah, anticipation.......

[Kathlb]

You took the words right out of my, uh, keyboard.

Sorry Legal, there is not one mention in what you cited of the defense being in charge of a crime scene. Ever.

I think Legal decided it's too quiet in here again and is doing what she did before. I'm skipping and scrolling from here on out with her posts. :rolleyes:

[need2no]

i don't recall that conversation. guess i'll have to read up on it. :rolleyes: it would be nice to find out le had discovered the lanyard as well....i think there has been some speculation it was used to strangle caylee.



CINDY ANTHONY: Your Tiffany ring, your little heart ring, where is it?

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know. I haven`t seen it for a long time.

CINDY ANTHONY: And who gave you that ring again? I forget.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jeff (ph).

CINDY ANTHONY: OK. We can`t find Jeff.

CASEY ANTHONY: Lee actually has more information on stuff like that. He says that he knows information about him, about Juliet (ph), about other people.


I wonder if casey kept her lanyard hanging from her rearview mirror as some people do, or if she normally kept it in her car.

Seems Cindy was concerned about 3 missing items: lanyard, Tiffany heart ring, and a flash drive, oh and the WTP blanket. hmmm....yet she claims to believe in casey's innocence, so why the concern about these items.

[jaxback]

I think Legal decided it's too quiet in here again and is doing what she did before. I'm skipping and scrolling from here on out with her posts. :rolleyes:

And I'm going to follow your stellar example.:thumbup:

[Imperfect4]

Sorry I had to correct your Grammer...:tonguewag:

Thank you! Sounds much more like him now. :thumbup:

[Sun]

And I'm going to follow your stellar example.:thumbup:

At the top of the page,go to USER CP. A menu will come up on your left. Under settings & Options, choose "edit ignore list" and then type in the name of the member you choose to ignore.

A wonderful member here once gave me these intructions....lol It's a wonderful feature and you can always view the post of the ignored if you choose to upset yourself.

[Numbers]

CINDY ANTHONY: Your Tiffany ring, your little heart ring, where is it?

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know. I haven`t seen it for a long time.

CINDY ANTHONY: And who gave you that ring again? I forget.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jeff (ph).

CINDY ANTHONY: OK. We can`t find Jeff.

CASEY ANTHONY: Lee actually has more information on stuff like that. He says that he knows information about him, about Juliet (ph), about other people.


I wonder if casey kept her lanyard hanging from her rearview mirror as some people do, or if she normally kept it in her car.

Seems Cindy was concerned about 3 missing items: lanyard, Tiffany heart ring, and a flash drive, oh and the WTP blanket. hmmm....yet she claims to believe in casey's innocence, so why the concern about these items.

I can understand wanting the flash drive - it might contain pictures or information.

A lanyard? Trivial.

A Tiffany ring? [I question the "Tiffany" part.] What's the big deal with this? Why is it so important to Cindy and apparently not so important to Casey?

Oh, it's probably not in the least important to the case, but Cindy's questioning makes me wonder how/why it's important to her.

[marinewife5]

CINDY ANTHONY: Your Tiffany ring, your little heart ring, where is it?

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know. I haven`t seen it for a long time.

CINDY ANTHONY: And who gave you that ring again? I forget.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jeff (ph).

CINDY ANTHONY: OK. We can`t find Jeff.

CASEY ANTHONY: Lee actually has more information on stuff like that. He says that he knows information about him, about Juliet (ph), about other people.


I wonder if casey kept her lanyard hanging from her rearview mirror as some people do, or if she normally kept it in her car.

Seems Cindy was concerned about 3 missing items: lanyard, Tiffany heart ring, and a flash drive, oh and the WTP blanket. hmmm....yet she claims to believe in casey's innocence, so why the concern about these items.

seems like cindy knew casey was lying about jeff. why would it matter who gave her the ring? does the fact that a heart ring existed, was seen on casey's finger, and claimed to be from jeff prove he exists? nope, and cindy knows that. the only additional information lee may have had on these people is that they actually do not exist, or he may have helped casey with the illusion.

is the defense just going to show up with a straightening iron and a ring to prove casey's case?

jmo

[kakax]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?



Hey Legal!

I have never heard of the defense supervising a crime scene. Granted I am not an atty that just doesn't make sense to me.

I know that in certain situations, like ANS, a private medical examiner can sometimes be a part of the autopsy.

Seems to me the defense is admitting they knew from Dec. 11 that this body was Caylee. Not something I would think they would want to admit at this point.

[marinewife5]

I can understand wanting the flash drive - it might contain pictures or information.

A lanyard? Trivial.

A Tiffany ring? [I question the "Tiffany" part.] What's the big deal with this? Why is it so important to Cindy and apparently not so important to Casey?

Oh, it's probably not in the least important to the case, but Cindy's questioning makes me wonder how/why it's important to her.

i think cindy asked about the ring (the Tiffany reference is because she is just that tacky) to segue to jeff. jmo

[marshmallow]

I spent two years in the da's office in Broward county doing legal research, plus many more years working for various firms, I don't need any experience in this area. You don't know if there is any case law unless you've read every ALJ, blacks and west in every state.



then you should be able to produce the info, and links to laws, poor uneducated dummies like me need to help me understand when/why a defense team was allowed on the site of an active evacuation of unknown victim's strewn bones.
I, in my inexperience and apparent stupidity, cannot bring to mind a single case where a generic defensive team was allowed on site for a recopvery of a body that was not identified.

I assume plenty of cases were thrown out because a defense team was not on scene during evidence gathering.?

[Imperfect4]

I spent two years in the da's office in Broward county doing legal research, plus many more years working for various firms, I don't need any experience in this area. You don't know if there is any case law unless you've read every ALJ, blacks and west in every state.

Oh, please.

You're wrong much more often than you're right on this thread, yet continue to come here making like an expert on whatever topic happens to be under discussion. No one is fooled.

Give it a rest already.

[kakax]

CINDY ANTHONY: Your Tiffany ring, your little heart ring, where is it?

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know. I haven`t seen it for a long time.

CINDY ANTHONY: And who gave you that ring again? I forget.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jeff (ph).

CINDY ANTHONY: OK. We can`t find Jeff.

CASEY ANTHONY: Lee actually has more information on stuff like that. He says that he knows information about him, about Juliet (ph), about other people.


I wonder if casey kept her lanyard hanging from her rearview mirror as some people do, or if she normally kept it in her car.

Seems Cindy was concerned about 3 missing items: lanyard, Tiffany heart ring, and a flash drive, oh and the WTP blanket. hmmm....yet she claims to believe in casey's innocence, so why the concern about these items.


This exchange with her mother makes my blood pressure rise.

I just can't believe that in the beginning Cindy was actually questioning Casey. Makes me understand why Casey wanted George instead of Cindy to come and visit her alone. George was all fluff back then.

[marinewife5]

Hey Legal!

I have never heard of the defense supervising a crime scene. Granted I am not an atty that just doesn't make sense to me.

I know that in certain situations, like ANS, a private medical examiner can sometimes be a part of the autopsy.

Seems to me the defense is admitting they knew from Dec. 11 that this body was Caylee. Not something I would think they would want to admit at this point.

just imagine this: "I'm sorry Ms. Doe. I know you were raped and would love nothing more but to take a shower and be with loved ones, but we have to wait for the attorney of the person you accused to arrive with his experts to witness the processing of the 'crime scene'. we wouldn't want the accused to feel he lost his right to confront his accuser at any time of the proceedings"


jmo

[sydney]

CASEY ANTHONY: Lee actually has more information on stuff like that. He says that he knows information about him, about Juliet (ph), about other people.


(snipped by me)

what an odd statement - those two people were friends (close ones at that) and coworkers of kc yet lee knows more about them?

[kakax]

Oh, please.

You're wrong much more often than you're right on this thread, yet continue to come here making like an expert on whatever topic happens to be under discussion. No one is fooled.

Give it a rest already.

It is easy to decipher the real "experts" like Katprint.

Like I said before, we may not be attys but we aren't stupid.

[sydney]

A Tiffany ring? [I question the "Tiffany" part.] What's the big deal with this? Why is it so important to Cindy and apparently not so important to Casey?

Oh, it's probably not in the least important to the case, but Cindy's questioning makes me wonder how/why it's important to her.


(bbm and snipped)
because it may be worth a few bucks if its pawned?

[kakax]

(snipped by me)

what an odd statement - those two people were friends (close ones at that) and coworkers of kc yet lee knows more about them?

It is such a blatant lie, I can't believe Cindy let it slide.

[Imperfect4]

This exchange with her mother makes my blood pressure rise.

I just can't believe that in the beginning Cindy was actually questioning Casey. Makes me understand why Casey wanted George instead of Cindy to come and visit her alone. George was all fluff back then.

Bolded to address. Of the belly button variety, even.

[Pruddennce]

legalmania, I was referring to the defense having their pro's there not the prosecution. The State, OCSO, FBI and the OCCO had every right and legal right to be there at an active crime scene. The defense has no right to tromp into a crime scene, especially before the crime scene is determined who it is. If you look at the link I posted above of the court hearing on the 16th of December on cfnews13 Strickland states the law to the defense that he cannot allow them to enter the scene until it has been turned over to them. And when is was turned over to them they didn't go and when they finally decided to go the property owner put up no trespassing signs and then the defense had to go through the motion of letting them go onto the property through a court order. If the defense had just gone to the scene when it was released they wouldn't have had that problem. And it was released 2 days after the court hearing. jmo

thank you Pam for the summation. they were already TOLD...back then. now they are attempting to incorporate that first unfounded WHINE into a motion to dismiss?

its nonsensical.


they can present their folly at trial, if they are permitted to squeeze in a few words about this particular lament, access and blah blah blah....they will be shut down, of course. IMO


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[need2no]

seems like cindy knew casey was lying about jeff. why would it matter who gave her the ring? does the fact that a heart ring existed, was seen on casey's finger, and claimed to be from jeff prove he exists? nope, and cindy knows that. the only additional information lee may have had on these people is that they actually do not exist, or he may have helped casey with the illusion.

is the defense just going to show up with a straightening iron and a ring to prove casey's case?

jmo

From listening and re-listening to the jail vists, whenever C or G would ask casey a question she didn't want to answer she would inject Lee as her response. For instance she would say she'd already given Lee such and such info, or she had discussed it with Lee and he was working on it, she's already given Lee her passwords, etc. It amazed me how C & G accepted that crap as a response to their questions.

Well if Cindy can claim the nanny exists because she had a dog Caylee told her about....the straightening iron, a few kiddie videos, and a ring must prove something as a defense. :wink:

[kakax]

just imagine this: "I'm sorry Ms. Doe. I know you were raped and would love nothing more but to take a shower and be with loved ones, but we have to wait for the attorney of the person you accused to arrive with his experts to witness the processing of the 'crime scene'. we wouldn't want the accused to feel he lost his right to confront his accuser at any time of the proceedings"


jmo


Perfect example. When has the defense ever been allowed access to a crime scene to "supervise".

[sydney]

just imagine this: "I'm sorry Ms. Doe. I know you were raped and would love nothing more but to take a shower and be with loved ones, but we have to wait for the attorney of the person you accused to arrive with his experts to witness the processing of the 'crime scene'. we wouldn't want the accused to feel he lost his right to confront his accuser at any time of the proceedings"


jmo

that should read the "people who think may be accused of this crime to arrive with their experts" etc, etc.

[marinewife5]

From listening and re-listening to the jail vists, whenever C or G would ask casey a question she didn't want to answer she would inject Lee as her response. For instance she would say she'd already given Lee such and such info, or she had discussed it with Lee and he was working on it, she's already given Lee her passwords, etc. It amazed me how C & G accepted that crap as a response to their questions.

Well if Cindy can claim the nanny exists because she had a dog Caylee told her about....the straightening iron, a few kiddie videos, and a ring must prove something as a defense. :wink:

I don't believe they actually accepted her responses, but they were well aware that they were being taped. they knew from wayyy back that casey did someting to caylee, imo

jmo

[kakax]

No, it's not from banging your head.

Sooooooooo, what do you think of Ashton's request for affidavits from the defense "experts?"



I'm jumping in. I love the wording of the request...but I start to worry that some of the bravado will backfire. I'm not familiar with motions enough to know if this is the usual course to be sarcastic in them.

[Imperfect4]

From listening and re-listening to the jail vists, whenever C or G would ask casey a question she didn't want to answer she would inject Lee as her response. For instance she would say she'd already given Lee such and such info, or she had discussed it with Lee and he was working on it, she's already given Lee her passwords, etc. It amazed me how C & G accepted that crap as a response to their questions.

Well if Cindy can claim the nanny exists because she had a dog Caylee told her about....the straightening iron, a few kiddie videos, and a ring must prove something as a defense. :wink:

It must've really frosted Casey's caboose to *finally* be treated as an expert with all the answers ... but on a subject she had no desire to discuss. :laugh:

She loved the attention, the sense of importance she felt, all the focus on HER-HER-HER, the opportunity to throw all those multi-syllable words around. But the subject she was being asked about? Not so much.

Poor thing, foiled again.

[Numbers]

(bbm and snipped)
because it may be worth a few bucks if its pawned?

:lol: You certainly have Cindy pegged!

As I said, I doubt the "Tiffany" part. I'd bet it's just a ring out of a bubble gum machine that Casey had to *embellish.* So what's the big deal with it?

[legalmania]

George and Cindy had no idea what Casey was doing for those 31 days. They continued to question her when she came home, Casey where is Caylee? and what happened? Caylee everytime I look into a picture of those beautiful hazel eyes I wonder how could anyone harm you. You deserve so much more.

[sydney]

It is such a blatant lie, I can't believe Cindy let it slide.

i'm not. iirc, cindy also said she talked to two of kc's bosses at universal (who didn't exist) and that kc got "employee of the year" when she only worked there six months. i had to lmbo at that one.

[kakax]

Bolded to address. Of the belly button variety, even.

Rofl and ewwwww. LOL!!

[Imperfect4]

Perfect example. When has the defense ever been allowed access to a crime scene to "supervise".

And let's hope it never happens. The victims of crimes do have some rights, after all. :mad:

[Rapunzel]

I'm not sure why the defense wants or needs to investigate the crime scene anyway...it is their job to defend...not to investigate...It is LE's job to investigate...the only reason I can think of as to why the defense would want to do their own investigation is because they don't trust LE...Uhm...Hey JB...Dr. Henry Lee is on your side...

[Numbers]

Perfect example. When has the defense ever been allowed access to a crime scene to "supervise".

In response to your question, allow me to cite the Freshwater Fishing Regulations in Florida.

Freshwater Fishing Regulations (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Freshwater_FishRules_index.htm)

[kakax]

i'm not. iirc, cindy also said she talked to two of kc's bosses at universal (who didn't exist) and that kc got "employee of the year" when she only worked there six months. i had to lmbo at that one.


Fill in the blank....__________of the year. There are alot of things you can put in there, but employee and mother?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised either...but I don't let it lie when my children are blatantly lying. I probably go to far in questioning them. Just goes to show that Cindy was putting some sort of pieces together, she just won't ever let on what they were.

Sickening.

[marinewife5]

that should read the "people who think may be accused of this crime to arrive with their experts" etc, etc.

very true. the victim can surrender all of their rights under the law while ads are placed, announcements on the news are made (it could be like an amber alert, but we'll call it a casey alert) for anyone who may remotely have a chance at being accused of a crime to assemble their "team" for a chance to supervise LE's investigation. rape kits will be collected in auditoriums to accomodate the masses. murder scenes will be trampled like a midnight madness sale at the mall. people's homes will be violated over and over after a burglery (i would suggest installing a revolving door to your home to accomodate the crowd).

i understand that it is the defense's job to make sure casey has a fair trial. but there are two sides of every trial. both sides suffer if one or the other does not have a fair trial.

jmo

[kakax]

In response to your question, allow me to cite the Freshwater Fishing Regulations in Florida.

Freshwater Fishing Regulations (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Freshwater_FishRules_index.htm)

I need to go change my drawers after this one LOL!!

Actually you may need to forward this link to G and C. They may need these regulations for their boat.

[marinewife5]

I'm not sure why the defense wants or needs to investigate the crime scene anyway...it is their job to defend...not to investigate...It is LE's job to investigate...the only reason I can think of as to why the defense would want to do their own investigation is because they don't trust LE...Uhm...Hey JB...Dr. Henry Lee is on your side...

or they don't trust FACTS

jmo

[kakax]

And let's hope it never happens. The victims of crimes do have some rights, after all. :mad:

Doesn't feel that way often, does it? It just seems that judges bend over backwards to make sure the defendent rights aren't violated.

Ugh, my blood is boiling. Poor little Caylee.

Casey is monster of the decade.:cursing:

[need2no]

I can understand wanting the flash drive - it might contain pictures or information.

A lanyard? Trivial.

A Tiffany ring? [I question the "Tiffany" part.] What's the big deal with this? Why is it so important to Cindy and apparently not so important to Casey?

Oh, it's probably not in the least important to the case, but Cindy's questioning makes me wonder how/why it's important to her.

Tiffany-I doubt it...unless George bought it for her with his Citibank card. :wink:

The lanyard...could something incriminating have been stuck behind the card? Could she have strangled Caylee with the lanyard? :shrug:

casey seems so unconcerned about a lot of stuff she should be sweating over.

Perhaps after Cindy asked the question about the ring when casey had time to reflect on it she figured out where Cindy was going with this question. Either 1) some kind of proof that a Jeff who she claimed gave her the ring does in fact exist *stupid as that sounds* or 2) OMG-I've looked everywhere and can't find your ring...God knows I hope you didn't lose it where you dumped Caylee.

Nut jobs.

[kakax]

or they don't trust FACTS

jmo

A jury will see straight through it, too. (At least I hope so. Some cases in the past several years make me wonder.)

[Imperfect4]

:lol: You certainly have Cindy pegged!

As I said, I doubt the "Tiffany" part. I'd bet it's just a ring out of a bubble gum machine that Casey had to *embellish.* So what's the big deal with it?

I tend to think there's not much importance attached to any of the items Cindy seems focused on. I think the "Tiffany" :rolleyes: ring exchange was probably typical of how things went between Cindy and Casey. Cindy knew Casey was lying 24/7, so Cindy gamed her with questions about trivialities, trying to catch a red flag or clue to the truth. Casey knew the game well, and she'd take Cindy's triviality and babble about it until Cindy grew bored and moved onto another triviality about which to question her. And so it went.

I tend to think, in the case of the lanyard/zip drive lunch conversation (which I refuse to listen to but am aware of from everyone else's posts) and other endless Cindy babblings about nonsense, that with the authorities, Cindy focuses on trivialities in an attempt to keep discussions far afield from what's really important.

Like mother, like daughter.

[need2no]

In response to your question, allow me to cite the Freshwater Fishing Regulations in Florida.

Freshwater Fishing Regulations (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Freshwater_FishRules_index.htm)

:lol: Spot on! :lol: :lol:

[Imperfect4]

In response to your question, allow me to cite the Freshwater Fishing Regulations in Florida.

Freshwater Fishing Regulations (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Freshwater_FishRules_index.htm)

ROFLMAO!!! :lol: :lol:

[Kathlb]

Fill in the blank....__________of the year. There are alot of things you can put in there, but employee and mother?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised either...but I don't let it lie when my children are blatantly lying. I probably go to far in questioning them. Just goes to show that Cindy was putting some sort of pieces together, she just won't ever let on what they were.

Sickening.

:-) I had mine buffaloed too. I told them to look into my eyes and if they were lying, I could tell because their pupils would expand with the lie. Picture 3 little boys standing in front of me blinking furiously and frantically looking at everthing else in the room but me. ROFL.. later in life they jumped me about it and I said, "it worked didn't it? Take notes, you will be a parent some day." I was reminded of that when Cindy told Casey she needed to let her see her eyes when she was spinning some tale and Casey started crying. ;-) Cindy wasn't too far off base that one time. :-)

[Piratexox]

In response to your question, allow me to cite the Freshwater Fishing Regulations in Florida.

Freshwater Fishing Regulations (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Freshwater_FishRules_index.htm)

LOL!!! I READ THAT. I was looking for something there to explain their motion. Going for more coffee w/ an embarresed look on my face.

[sydney]

isn't this jeff the one kc was spending a lot of time with and was talking to about "becoming a family"?

yet lee knows more about him?

hmmmmmm

[Dtviewer3]

In response to your question, allow me to cite the Freshwater Fishing Regulations in Florida.

Freshwater Fishing Regulations (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Freshwater_FishRules_index.htm)


Numbers, that had to be the best post I've ever read on here.....hopefully someone else will get it.........:thumbsup:

[need2no]

It must've really frosted Casey's caboose to *finally* be treated as an expert with all the answers ... but on a subject she had no desire to discuss. :laugh:

She loved the attention, the sense of importance she felt, all the focus on HER-HER-HER, the opportunity to throw all those multi-syllable words around. But the subject she was being asked about? Not so much.

Poor thing, foiled again.

Well George did give casey the title of CEO...and they are known to direct all the hard questions to their knowledgeable 'staff' while sitting around being catered to. :biggrin:

[kakax]

:-) I had mine buffaloed too. I told them to look into my eyes and if they were lying, I could tell because their pupils would expand with the lie. Picture 3 little boys standing in front of me blinking furiously and frantically looking at everthing else in the room but me. ROFL.. later in life they jumped me about it and I said, "it worked didn't it? Take notes, you will be a parent some day." I was reminded of that when Cindy told Casey she needed to let her see her eyes when she was spinning some tale and Casey started crying. ;-) Cindy wasn't too far off base that one time. :-)



That mental image cracks me up. My son is better at lying than my daughter. My daughter's face gets noticably red and rashy looking rofl.

Children will push their limits that's for sure. It's our job to to reign them in. Unfortunately, this was never done with Casey. She was allowed to let lie after lie snowball into the "mother' of a lies.

[Numbers]

I tend to think there's not much importance attached to any of the items Cindy seems focused on. I think the "Tiffany" :rolleyes: ring exchange was probably typical of how things went between Cindy and Casey. Cindy knew Casey was lying 24/7, so Cindy gamed her with questions about trivialities, trying to catch a red flag or clue to the truth. Casey knew the game well, and she'd take Cindy's triviality and babble about it until Cindy grew bored and moved onto another triviality about which to question her. And so it went.

I tend to think, in the case of the lanyard/zip drive lunch conversation (which I refuse to listen to but am aware of from everyone else's posts) and other endless Cindy babblings about nonsense, that with the authorities, Cindy focuses on trivialities in an attempt to keep discussions far afield from what's really important.

Like mother, like daughter.

Or, they may tend to focus on the trivialities they can control, rather than the Big Picture stuff, which they cannot control.

But your "diversionary tactics" theory has legs, too.

[Imperfect4]

Hi need2no and everyone.

Cindy used the same tactic when she was questioned by LE. She'd say Lee has that info or I gave that to Lee, you can ask him.

Oh, she sure did! She even fingered the middle one when LE backed her into a corner about her JCPenney statements. She said there was nothing on them of importance. Yuri (IIRC) told her she wasn't the one to make that decision, at which point she said she gave them to Lee and Lee should have turned them over to the detectives. She's heinous, that one. No one is safe from her accusations, including her own son. I'm 99.9% sure she'll finger Casey, as well, when she's backed into any number of corners down the road.

[kakax]

isn't this jeff the one kc was spending a lot of time with and was talking to about "becoming a family"?

yet lee knows more about him?

hmmmmmm

Yes...don't you know...the Jeffery MICHAEL Hopkins. She sure knows her friends...I don't know most of my friends middle names.

[need2no]

Hi need2no and everyone.

Cindy used the same tactic when she was questioned by LE. She'd say Lee has that info or I gave that to Lee, you can ask him.

You're right....and casey learned from the master. Maybe that explains why Cindy let her get by with these kind of responses...it sounded rational to her.

2 peas in a pod!

[spydernweb2006]

In response to your question, allow me to cite the Freshwater Fishing Regulations in Florida.

Freshwater Fishing Regulations (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Freshwater_FishRules_index.htm)

ROFLMAO

TY You made my day!

Now if only someone would forward that to Baez and Co......


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Numbers]

isn't this jeff the one kc was spending a lot of time with and was talking to about "becoming a family"?

yet lee knows more about him?

hmmmmmm

Yup. The non-existant about-to-be-a-family Jeff. That's him!

[kakax]

Oh, she sure did! She even fingered the middle one when LE backed her into a corner about her JCPenney statements. She said there was nothing on them of importance. Yuri (IIRC) told her she wasn't the one to make that decision, at which point she said she gave them to Lee and Lee should have turned them over to the detectives. She's heinous, that one. No one is safe from her accusations, including her own son. I'm 99.9% sure she'll finger Casey, as well, when she's backed into any number of corners down the road.



Last night (I was lurking on my bb) as I was trying to go sleep, I was reminded of what you said about thinking about this case too much. The mental image of Cindy winking at Brad during the deposition would not leave me mind.

It was so evil the way she did that.

I didn't fall asleep until about 3:30. Dam A's making me lose sleep now.

Her demeanor during the deposition was HORRENDOUS.

[Numbers]

Oh, she sure did! She even fingered the middle one when LE backed her into a corner about her JCPenney statements. She said there was nothing on them of importance. Yuri (IIRC) told her she wasn't the one to make that decision, at which point she said she gave them to Lee and Lee should have turned them over to the detectives. She's heinous, that one. No one is safe from her accusations, including her own son. I'm 99.9% sure she'll finger Casey, as well, when she's backed into any number of corners down the road.

By now, Lee is a walking encyclopedia. :rolleyes:

I wonder if he knows how much he is supposed to know?

[marinewife5]

By now, Lee is a walking encyclopedia. :rolleyes:

I wonder if he knows how much he is supposed to know?

with all of the info jotted down on his calves....that's why he wears the schoolgirlesque knee socks.:scared:

jmo

[spydernweb2006]

Oh, she sure did! She even fingered the middle one when LE backed her into a corner about her JCPenney statements. She said there was nothing on them of importance. Yuri (IIRC) told her she wasn't the one to make that decision, at which point she said she gave them to Lee and Lee should have turned them over to the detectives. She's heinous, that one. No one is safe from her accusations, including her own son. I'm 99.9% sure she'll finger Casey, as well, when she's backed into any number of corners down the road.

I wonder how Cindy is gonna feel if all her mis directs to Lee cause Lee to go to jail or be into legal hot water? Is she enough like Casey that she can turn on her own to save her own skin?

Everyday I thank the Lord above that I am NOT related to this hot mess family!


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[Imperfect4]

Last night (I was lurking on my bb) as I was trying to go sleep, I was reminded of what you said about thinking about this case too much. The mental image of Cindy winking at Brad during the deposition would not leave me mind.

It was so evil the way she did that.

I didn't fall asleep until about 3:30. Dam A's making me lose sleep now.

Her demeanor during the deposition was HORRENDOUS.

Often when I get up during the night for whatever reason, I find myself thinking about this case -- out of a dead sleep, mind you.

[Imperfect4]

By now, Lee is a walking encyclopedia. :rolleyes:

I wonder if he knows how much he is supposed to know?

Probably. After all, his C-M-A <kiss-slobber-kiss-kiss> "taught him how to live." :rolleyes:

[Pam1569]

I wonder how Cindy is gonna feel if all her mis directs to Lee cause Lee to go to jail or be into legal hot water? Is she enough like Casey that she can turn on her own to save her own skin?

Everyday I thank the Lord above that I am NOT related to this hot mess family!


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

Hi Spyder, I don't think that will happen since Lee is the only person that the state gave "use immunity" to after his deposition. He must have said a whole lot of stuff in that depo for the state to do that. Cindy must be infuriated that she didn't also receive the use immunity.

[Imperfect4]

I wonder how Cindy is gonna feel if all her mis directs to Lee cause Lee to go to jail or be into legal hot water? Is she enough like Casey that she can turn on her own to save her own skin?

Everyday I thank the Lord above that I am NOT related to this hot mess family!


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

Isn't THAT the truth? :scared:

[sydney]

Yup. The non-existant about-to-be-a-family Jeff. That's him!

imagine! no in-law problems whatsoever in that situation, eh?

[Imperfect4]

Hi Spyder, I don't think that will happen since Lee is the only person that the state gave "use immunity" to after his deposition. He must have said a whole lot of stuff in that depo for the state to do that. Cindy must be infuriated that she didn't also receive the use immunity.

Okay, I must've let this slip by at the time. Pam -- so Lee received "use immunity" after he was deposed by the state? And you think that means he might have been forthcoming under questioning? And can you refresh me on the definition of "use immunity?" TIA :smile:

[Pam1569]

Okay, I must've let this slip by at the time. Pam -- so Lee received "use immunity" after he was deposed by the state? And you think that means he might have been forthcoming under questioning? And can you refresh me on the definition of "use immunity?" TIA :smile:

Hi Imperfect4,

http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/use-immunity.html

ETA: forgot the // marks.
TY Sydney for having it in yours.

[jaxback]

Okay, I must've let this slip by at the time. Pam -- so Lee received "use immunity" after he was deposed by the state? And you think that means he might have been forthcoming under questioning? And can you refresh me on the definition of "use immunity?" TIA :smile:

I'm not Pam or a lawyer Imp, but IIRC, use immunity means that the person cannot have what he/she testified to in a depo used against them in a subsequent criminal proceeding. If I understand it correctly (and I'm sure I'll hear about it if I don't :biggrin:) it would be like if during his depo, Lee slipped and said something about having searched for Caylee's body - if he was later charged with obstructing justice or something, they would be able to use other facts to prove he knew she was dead and where he body was, but they wouldn't be able to use the admission he made. I think.

[Numbers]

I'm not Pam or a lawyer Imp, but IIRC, use immunity means that the person cannot have what he/she testified to in a depo used against them in a subsequent criminal proceeding. If I understand it correctly (and I'm sure I'll hear about it if I don't :biggrin:) it would be like if during his depo, Lee slipped and said something about having searched for Caylee's body - if he was later charged with obstructing justice or something, they would be able to use other facts to prove he knew she was dead and where he body was, but they wouldn't be able to use the admission he made. I think.

I'm remembering the same thing, except I thought it was only for trial testimony???

I could be waaaaaaay wrong.

[kakax]

imagine! no in-law problems whatsoever in that situation, eh?



Your post makes me wonder why Casey had all of these make believe relationships. Cindy had a habit of sabotaging them I'm guessing. Casey didn't want to let on who she was really dating because Cindy would tell them exactly what Casey was like.

What gets me is when it comes to the death of Caylee, Cindy spouts the mother of the year carp.

I really don't understand them. I guess I should be thankful.

[jaxback]

lol I created a bunch of oldies in mp3 format for my car. Yesterday an oldie came one that I used to love ! Johnny Crawford - Cindy's Birthday.

Somehow she's ruined that song for me.

OMG, bchand, and OT. I saw Johnny Crawford perform - he leads a dance band (swing/big band) - at a club a few years ago. Great!

[Imperfect4]

Thanks, Pam and sydney! :wub:

Okay ... so do we think it's more likely Lee had information on the crime itself that he divulged to the state, or did he give up family secrets about what was going on between Casey and her parents prior to Caylee's disappearance?

Seems to me, in order to receive "use immunity" to protect himself from prosecution, he must have info about what Casey did to Caylee.

Anyone?

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
Good question....nothing could have been at a crime scene that would clear casey. I suppose the defense is implying LE 'planted' evidence against casey, (what, I don't know), and/or destroyed any evidence that would prove or show some reasonable doubt that someone other than casey may have dumped the body, and/or was involved in the crime.

They are desperate to come up with something to tarnish the State's case against casey. As much as I don't like it, that is their job.
can you imagine the defense trying to say that LE went out and bought a pooh blanket identical to the one that was missing from the anthony household (even though LE didn't know at the time that one was missing because cindy hadn't yet reported it as such) and then "aging" the blanket to make it appear it was at the scene for months. ditto with the hamper...

or trying to say that LE went out and bought rare hinkel duct tape identical to the tape found on the anthony gas cans and then "aged" the new tape so that it would appear to have been out in the elements for months and then slapped (layered) some over the mouth area of the skull...

not to mention the defense trying to say that LE might have destroyed an intact and legible "confession" note written by zanny [a note in zanny's own handwriting that layed out how she first didn't return caylee to casey on the day that casey dropped her at sawgrass, then met casey at the park, ostensibly to "return" caylee to casey, but instead wrenched caylee from casey and punched and knocked casey down and then, for real, kidnapped caylee and murdered her to teach casey a lesson].

:ohmy:

[Pam1569]

Thanks, Pam and sydney! :wub:

Okay ... so do we think it's more likely Lee had information on the crime itself that he divulged to the state, or did he give up family secrets about what was going on between Casey and her parents prior to Caylee's disappearance?

Seems to me, in order to receive "use immunity" to protect himself from prosecution, he must have info about what Casey did to Caylee.

Anyone?

Imperfect4, I think in a nut shell he broke his promise so he wouldn't go to jail. jmo

[AlohaRainbow]

And I can just hear it at trial, the defense claiming the crime scene was contaminated -- by them. :rolleyes:

Baez to jury: The OCSD will allow anyone into their crime scenes! Why, they even let ME in! ME! Heck, I can't even form a complete sentence, and they allowed ME into their crime scene! God only knows what I did in there! I suck as an attorney and that's what I do for a living ... imagine how badly I could muck up a crime scene investigation!

...:cool:...

[Rapunzel]

or they don't trust FACTS

jmo


Right...but if they don't trust the facts...that is their job to defend against the evidence...they don't have to prove anything...only disprove and they will receive everything they need in discovery.

[Pam1569]

That's amazing - I only picture him as a young kid. lol

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=36155903


Back on topic - still haven't seen Jeff Ashton's response to the defense's motion, just mention of it so far.

Hi bch, I still am looking also and have come up empty.

[Numbers]

As far as the defense wanting to go into the crime scene while it was still being investigated, didn't Dr. Lee do this in the PS trial? Wasn't that where the finger nail issue came into play? And didn't Dr. Lee find additional hairs in Casey's trunk, after the state gave them permission to examine it?

TIA

He went to Spector's house *after* LE released it as a crime scene. Ditto the car.

[Imperfect4]

JMO - I'm willing to bet that you haven't read every text either. You argue law as if you are still in high school. I seriously doubt that you "spent two years" in a DA's office" yet alone in any office. I pity the "firms" that hired you. You have no grasp of the legal realm let alone any understanding of it. That is clear from your posts.

Stop wasting everyone's time by coming on this board and flaming, trolling, and POSING as someone who has knowledge of the legal system. It is painfully evident that you do not.

Again JMO.

Welcome to the board! :seeya:

[sydney]

Your post makes me wonder why Casey had all of these make believe relationships. Cindy had a habit of sabotaging them I'm guessing. Casey didn't want to let on who she was really dating because Cindy would tell them exactly what Casey was like.

What gets me is when it comes to the death of Caylee, Cindy spouts the mother of the year carp.

I really don't understand them. I guess I should be thankful.

she only had them during the 31 days she was "missing". i think kc is capable of sabotaging her own (ahem) relationships very well on her own. and as far a kc not wanting to let cindy know who she was dating? well, cindy herself basically said it was none of her business. except of course, when it came to jessee who, imo was waayy too good for kc. could be c&a were a little jealous of that relationship. jesse was better than g, and kc was g's "little princess".

as far as mother of the year? which year was that? caylee was just a little over 2 years old when she was murdered right? kc sure wasn't a "mother of the year" for that last year of her young life.

they always use superlatives when discussing kc - the brightest (okay, so she didn't graduate high school but it was the TEACHER'S fault for not accepting that credit), employee of the year at universal, the best daughter, the best mother, the best everything (just like her ol' mother who said she hopes the apple doesn't fall far from the tree).

never a hint of problems that most families experience every day. there is no shame to admitting your family has issues - it's normal, human, life experience. the very fact that they continue to deny any problems tells me that there are/were a LOT more than what they want us to believe. imo, if they HAD admitted some issues existed within the family dynamics, it would have made them more understandable to the potential jury pool - possibly even sympathetic to some. but no - they have to be above and beyond the everyday human and be perfect. too bad their egos impair their vision.

[Imperfect4]

Imperfect4, I think in a nut shell he broke his promise so he wouldn't go to jail. jmo

Well by gosh, I'm nearly ecstatic as I sit here. :w00t:

[enigma™]

He went to Spector's house *after* LE released it as a crime scene. Ditto the car.

And this time, he thought rather than hiding evidence, (the nail), he'd "discover" evidence? He is such a joke. I am truly mystified that any defense would want him on their team after the Spector fiasco. That being said, nothing but the best for our little murderess! :w00t:

[AlohaRainbow]

I spent two years in the da's office in Broward county doing legal research, plus many more years working for various firms, I don't need any experience in this area. You don't know if there is any case law unless you've read every ALJ, blacks and west in every state.

i haven't read the defense's motion, but did they cite any case law in their motion re the issue of defense being allowed in to observe and/or supervise a crime scene that was still being processed by crime scene technicians?

[sydney]

That's amazing - I only picture him as a young kid. lol

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=36155903


Back on topic - still haven't seen Jeff Ashton's response to the defense's motion, just mention of it so far.

oh jeez - i wrote upthread that i thought his response was good! am i an idiot today or what? i read SOMETHING that said he wanted the defense experts to produce affidavits (omg, is my face RED)

PLEASE SOMEONE tell me i'm not hallucinating again!

[Imperfect4]

I just keep remembering LE stating that "Lee knows what he did." I wonder if we'll ever find out what they meant?

I would imagine if he provided a few missing puzzle pieces which help the state with their timeline and such, we'll find out at trial. I'm hoping he had *bombshell* info, in order to get that immunity.

[Imperfect4]

oh jeez - i wrote upthread that i thought his response was good! am i an idiot today or what? i read SOMETHING that said he wanted the defense experts to produce affidavits (omg, is my face RED)

PLEASE SOMEONE tell me i'm not hallucinating again!

We saw an excerpt, sydney -- no worries!

It was that deliciously written paragraph about the panel of defense experts and their photo opp at the crime scene. :cool:

[ish]

that should read the "people who think may be accused of this crime to arrive with their experts" etc, etc.

Can you imagine if this body had not been Caylee? WHen it was identified, it's possible the defendant in that case would try to use the fact that a defense team from a totally different murder contaiminated the scene and therefore the evidence in his trial is thrown out.

[Imperfect4]

Hey guys! :seeya:

IMO the defense can't have it both ways. "My client has no knowledge of this crime scene." VS "My client's counsel needs to be present to preserve evidence in this crime scene to which she is responsible for." Hell, they might as well get subpoenas to search all the households in Orange County that employee nannies that are a full "10" for any possible evidence.

Hey!

How you be? :confused:

[marinewife5]

she only had them during the 31 days she was "missing". i think kc is capable of sabotaging her own (ahem) relationships very well on her own. and as far a kc not wanting to let cindy know who she was dating? well, cindy herself basically said it was none of her business. except of course, when it came to jessee who, imo was waayy too good for kc. could be c&a were a little jealous of that relationship. jesse was better than g, and kc was g's "little princess".

as far as mother of the year? which year was that? caylee was just a little over 2 years old when she was murdered right? kc sure wasn't a "mother of the year" for that last year of her young life.

they always use superlatives when discussing kc - the brightest (okay, so she didn't graduate high school but it was the TEACHER'S fault for not accepting that credit), employee of the year at universal, the best daughter, the best mother, the best everything (just like her ol' mother who said she hopes the apple doesn't fall far from the tree).

never a hint of problems that most families experience every day. there is no shame to admitting your family has issues - it's normal, human, life experience. the very fact that they continue to deny any problems tells me that there are/were a LOT more than what they want us to believe. imo, if they HAD admitted some issues existed within the family dynamics, it would have made them more understandable to the potential jury pool - possibly even sympathetic to some. but no - they have to be above and beyond the everyday human and be perfect. too bad their egos impair their vision.


Grandma Marinewife always used to say "don't trust perfect". If you don't see any flaws in a person, that just means they're hiding them. And if they're hiding being human, what else are they hiding???

From the beginning this family has been about being better than everyone....no daycare or babysitter for these folks, only a nanny. tiffany rings, instant promotions at work. makes me wonder why they even need donations for their foundation. they should be able to fund it themselves.
they're all so focussed on the image, reality is gonna bite them in their tushes very soon
jmo

[Pruddennce]

As far as the defense wanting to go into the crime scene while it was still being investigated, didn't Dr. Lee do this in the PS trial? Wasn't that where the finger nail issue came into play? And didn't Dr. Lee find additional hairs in Casey's trunk, after the state gave them permission to examine it?

TIA

The crime scene was released and Attorney Sara Caplan witnessed Lee picking up a small white object and placing it in a vial. (she was held in contempt at some point, she didnt want to SAY what she saw him do) The judge ordered him to turn it over. it never was produced. Lee went 'abroad'.....

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spector/2007/05/lee_strikes_bac.html

the judge ruled Lee DID take something from the crime scene. his 'history' can be brought up in this trial IF he testifies. I dont believe he will testify.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[sydney]

We saw an excerpt, sydney -- no worries!

It was that deliciously written paragraph about the panel of defense experts and their photo opp at the crime scene. :cool:

whew - i've had a headache since early this morning - thought i got rid of it but it came back.:wink:

[legalmania]

i haven't read the defense's motion, but did they cite any case law in their motion re the issue of defense being allowed in to observe and/or supervise a crime scene that was still being processed by crime scene technicians?

All I have read so far is that it was filed. Sometime they just use the rules of criminal procedure to fight a motion. If you find it could you send me a link and I'll do the same for you, right now I'm in the middle of something, so I'll be on and off for awhile.

[kakax]

Hey guys! :seeya:

IMO the defense can't have it both ways. "My client has no knowledge of this crime scene." VS "My client's counsel needs to be present to preserve evidence in this crime scene to which she is responsible for." Hell, they might as well get subpoenas to search all the households in Orange County that employee nannies that are a full "10" for any possible evidence.


Hey Lavinia! Hope you are feeling better!

[AlohaRainbow]

Rough. Quite rough. Getting better, though. I've been sleeping 20 or more hours each 24.

Did you guys solve the case while I was gone? Anyone have any theories on who dun it? :laugh:

it was invisi-nanny in the invisi-library using an invisi-candlestick
:laugh:
good to see you back!

[ladeebug565]

Good morning my good friends. hope you all have a wonderful day. Just hope we get some news today on what is going on. The def.knew where CAYLEE;S body was and the whole an;s family knew. It is just like you all or saying if they did not find her body then casey had a good chance of getting out of this. I am so glad they found her body.There has been body that were never found. casey is not smart enougth to think of a place like that. I sure am glad she did not think of a place like that. jmho:wub:

Which just makes the whole idea of them noshing on crab puffs at the Ritz that much more despicable. Further, having the Anthony's representing themselves as warriors for missing children is laughable! They all knew right were "that child" was. Can you say "culpable"? How about "criminal"?

[cassidy]

Hey guys! :seeya:

IMO the defense can't have it both ways. "My client has no knowledge of this crime scene." VS "My client's counsel needs to be present to preserve evidence in this crime scene to which she is responsible for." Hell, they might as well get subpoenas to search all the households in Orange County that employee nannies that are a full "10" for any possible evidence.


Jose thinks they can. :shrug: (which doesn't make it so :) ).

WB where ya been hiding?

[Pruddennce]

And this time, he thought rather than hiding evidence, (the nail), he'd "discover" evidence? He is such a joke. I am truly mystified that any defense would want him on their team after the Spector fiasco. That being said, nothing but the best for our little murderess! :w00t:

HL was there for HL...more material for workshops....he claims 'work product' and turns big bucks at his workshops....he didnt testify in the Scott Peterson case, but he talks about his 'involvement' and that case is cited on his website.

its all about 'his business'....and making money. not about truth and justice and IMO, not even about the science anymore....ching ching....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Rapunzel]

Well by gosh, I'm nearly ecstatic as I sit here. :w00t:


I was thinking the same thing...Oh I hope that is true!!!

If he did...I wonder what he told mommy and daddy he said...cause you know they asked...he must have done an Anthony...LOL

[sydney]

hmmm. i've been mulling over g's saying kc is the ceo for quite a while now, trying to decode it.

i think i've got it now!

chief
evasion
officer

she lies, they follow her leads.

what do you all think?

[kakax]

Thanks Kakax! :wub: I'm gradually reanimating, lol.

I don't guess we got any docs in the last week or so, huh?


Geez, Lav, we need you around here...get better soon PLEASE!

No but we are supposed to get documents after this week, whatever that means. I guess it just means we will get them when we will get them LOL!

[Rapunzel]

i haven't read the defense's motion, but did they cite any case law in their motion re the issue of defense being allowed in to observe and/or supervise a crime scene that was still being processed by crime scene technicians?

Nope!!!...

[kakax]

I was thinking the same thing...Oh I hope that is true!!!

If he did...I wonder what he told mommy and daddy he said...cause you know they asked...he must have done an Anthony...LOL


I don't know why I can't get my hopes up about this. It sounds good, but I can't imagine anyone with the last name of Anthony being honest.

[ish]

I tend to think there's not much importance attached to any of the items Cindy seems focused on. I think the "Tiffany" :rolleyes: ring exchange was probably typical of how things went between Cindy and Casey. Cindy knew Casey was lying 24/7, so Cindy gamed her with questions about trivialities, trying to catch a red flag or clue to the truth. Casey knew the game well, and she'd take Cindy's triviality and babble about it until Cindy grew bored and moved onto another triviality about which to question her. And so it went.

I tend to think, in the case of the lanyard/zip drive lunch conversation (which I refuse to listen to but am aware of from everyone else's posts) and other endless Cindy babblings about nonsense, that with the authorities, Cindy focuses on trivialities in an attempt to keep discussions far afield from what's really important.

Like mother, like daughter.

I agree 100% with your points, Cindy knew Casey lied and she "tested" her by playing dumb or forgetful about things, to see if Casey gave her the same story or a new one. Another example is the photo of Caylee in the apartment that Cindy clearly thought was Zanny's (did Casey tell her it was?)Cindy asks Casey about it, saying I know whose apartment it is, but Casey now says it Rico's apartment, but it's set up just the same as Zanny's with a drum set.

The Lanyard and the zip drive? Totally carried on about them to keep the discussion from other areas/topics. Divert attention from the murder of her grand daughter to the missing Lanyard and zip drive.

[sydney]

HL was there for HL...more material for workshops....he claims 'work product' and turns big bucks at his workshops....he didnt testify in the Scott Peterson case, but he talks about his 'involvement' and that case is cited on his website.

its all about 'his business'....and making money. not about truth and justice and IMO, not even about the science anymore....ching ching....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

bbm

yeah, anything he comes up with is junk science to me

[AlohaRainbow]

Nope!!!...

thanks. i'm not surprised :)

see ya'll later, off to work!

[jaxback]

Rough. Quite rough. Getting better, though. I've been sleeping 20 or more hours each 24.

Did you guys solve the case while I was gone? Anyone have any theories on who dun it? :laugh:

We've been worried about you! So glad you are on the road to recovery.

Yes, we solved the case while you were gone, but now I can't remember who we decided dun it.:wink:

[Imperfect4]

Rough. Quite rough. Getting better, though. I've been sleeping 20 or more hours each 24.

Did you guys solve the case while I was gone? Anyone have any theories on who dun it? :laugh:

20 hours a day? Wow! :sad: I hope you're really getting better and aren't just funnin us. :sneaky:

No new theories on who dun it. Or even on a defense strategy. They got nothing.

[sydney]

well hello, lavinia! LTNS!

haven't you heard the latest BOMBSHELL?

kc is innocent

the nanny did it

yep - we all know now.

i have a question - invisinanny had sisters who allegedly helped her take caylee away from kc, right? kc gave a description, iirc.

why wasn't the sister's description given out at the same time invisinanny's was?

[Jeepers]

Rough. Quite rough. Getting better, though. I've been sleeping 20 or more hours each 24.

Did you guys solve the case while I was gone? Anyone have any theories on who dun it? :laugh:

Hey Lavinia,

No, cindy is still looking though.

I missed you. I bet you thought I was gonna try and send the Cindy Hand Shaped purse back to ya and ya skipped out for awhile:drool:
I knew you were sick and I hope you are feeling better. Glad your back on.

[Sun]

Hey guys! :seeya:

IMO the defense can't have it both ways. "My client has no knowledge of this crime scene." VS "My client's counsel needs to be present to preserve evidence in this crime scene to which she is responsible for." Hell, they might as well get subpoenas to search all the households in Orange County that employee nannies that are a full "10" for any possible evidence.

:seeya: Hope you are feeling better!

I guess Casey feels that if she can create fictional friends and a nanny, then it's ok for her to be able to create fictional evidence too.

[jaxback]

well hello, lavinia! LTNS!

haven't you heard the latest BOMBSHELL?

kc is innocent

the nanny did it

yep - we all know now.

i have a question - invisinanny had sisters who allegedly helped her take caylee away from kc, right? kc gave a description, iirc.

why wasn't the sister's description given out at the same time invisinanny's was?

Because it was a silent invisi-description? We were supposed to receive it through our metal fillings, but my colander stopped it from getting through. :sneaky:

[cassidy]

I ran off with my pool boy and once we went through hubby's fortune, I had to come back home; sans pool boy. :sad:

I am just still beyond thrilled Jose is still allowed to be Casey's counsel. Endless entertainment factor.


HMMMMMMM>>>>>>Sounds like you're feeling much better. so how about a DOC DUMP DANCE :) ?? We're supposed to get one soon ya know !

[spydernweb2006]

well hello, lavinia! LTNS!

haven't you heard the latest BOMBSHELL?

kc is innocent

the nanny did it

yep - we all know now.

i have a question - invisinanny had sisters who allegedly helped her take caylee away from kc, right? kc gave a description, iirc.

why wasn't the sister's description given out at the same time invisinanny's was?

Anyone ever notice Zanny the Nanny 's description sounds like JLO!

Same size/height , def 10, hair fits...

I believe Casey used JLO's description for her invisa nanny, just as she used Juliette Lewis as a friend and co worker...


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[kakax]

O/T but on on topic of posts a few back....my penchant for going to far in questioning my children and snooping.

My daughter must have forgotten to turn her cellphone off and it must have been lying against something and called me a few minutes ago. Sitting here listening now to a rolling backpack but won't hang up just in case I can hear something juicy.

Nope, Casey wouldn't have had a chance in my household.

[Imperfect4]

Because it was a silent invisi-description? We were supposed to receive it through our metal fillings, but my colander stopped it from getting through. :sneaky:

ROFL! :lol:

[ladeebug565]

From listening and re-listening to the jail vists, whenever C or G would ask casey a question she didn't want to answer she would inject Lee as her response. For instance she would say she'd already given Lee such and such info, or she had discussed it with Lee and he was working on it, she's already given Lee her passwords, etc. It amazed me how C & G accepted that crap as a response to their questions.

Well if Cindy can claim the nanny exists because she had a dog Caylee told her about....the straightening iron, a few kiddie videos, and a ring must prove something as a defense. :wink:

You'll recall that Cindy injected Lee, too. When LE asked about the JC Penney statement, Cindy told them she gave the information to Lee.

[kakax]

Because it was a silent invisi-description? We were supposed to receive it through our metal fillings, but my colander stopped it from getting through. :sneaky:

Between you and spots, this has been good a day!!:thumbsup:

[cassidy]

O/T but on on topic of posts a few back....my penchant for going to far in questioning my children and snooping.

My daughter must have forgotten to turn her cellphone off and it must have been lying against something and called me a few minutes ago. Sitting here listening now to a rolling backpack but won't hang up just in case I can hear something juicy.

Nope, Casey wouldn't have had a chance in my household.


LOL Kakax. She wouldn't have stood a chance in my house either. My husband kept telling me that if I kept snooping I'd find something I didn't want to know. Now what do you suppose that would have been? never happened, but I did manage to thwart a few well laid plans in my time :)

[Imperfect4]

I WAS feeling better. You must have missed the part that said I lost all the money AND the pool boy. :laugh:

Do we have any ideas what should be in the next dump? (I'm so out of the loop.)

Rumor has it, perhaps an eXtreme closeup of Casey's beautiful life tattoo. I have an appointment to have my eyes gouged out on Friday.

[kakax]

I WAS feeling better. You must have missed the part that said I lost all the money AND the pool boy. :laugh:

Do we have any ideas what should be in the next dump? (I'm so out of the loop.)


Not yet. We need to get Really to get one of those "listen up" things and head down to Jose's office.

[kakax]

LOL Kakax. She wouldn't have stood a chance in my house either. My husband kept telling me that if I kept snooping I'd find something I didn't want to know. Now what do you suppose that would have been? never happened, but I did manage to thwart a few well laid plans in my time :)

rofl...that's my hope. If I keep up the heat on her, maybe I can thwart a few plans in the future myself!

[Jeepers]

HMMMMMMM>>>>>>Sounds like you're feeling much better. so how about a DOC DUMP DANCE :) ?? We're supposed to get one soon ya know !

2 Toots for a Doc Drop
I feel like we are over due.
Seems like it has been a long time since our last one.
I hope Casey slept well last night. You know with all the reports coming out that she screamed 1 (one) time in her sleep and woke everyone in the jail house up.

I wonder if she was dreaming about being caught and accused of Caylee's murder and she was in jail and had been there for a long time
and seeing her brother come to visit her wearing tube socks. I bet that would have been a real scary dream.

[Imperfect4]

You'll recall that Cindy injected Lee, too. When LE asked about the JC Penney statement, Cindy told them she gave the information to Lee.

Yep. I can't imagine growing up like that -- watching your back just in case your very own mother sneaks up behind you with a knife.

[Imperfect4]

I'll lend you my trusty clam fork.

I knew I could count on you. :wub:

:sneaky:

[jaxback]

Between you and spots, this has been good a day!!:thumbsup:

:blushing: Thank you. I feel I must do my best to keep the Lavinia attitude going when she is feeling punky.

[sydney]

Because it was a silent invisi-description? We were supposed to receive it through our metal fillings, but my colander stopped it from getting through. :sneaky:

so THAT's what i need?! all this time i've been using aluminum foil for protection!

[Imperfect4]

Will it be a photo taken before incarceration or after incarceration?

We could be seeing a small tattoo or a very large tattoo.:sneaky:

Taken very recently, Rock. :scared:

[ladeebug565]

Hi need2no and everyone.

Cindy used the same tactic when she was questioned by LE. She'd say Lee has that info or I gave that to Lee, you can ask him.

It would have been ideal if LE said "fine, let's get Lee on a speaker phone and we'll ask him about the evidence that you've turned over to him".

[jaxback]

so THAT's what i need?! all this time i've been using aluminum foil for protection!

Never give up your aluminum foil; it makes a fabulous, extra-protection lining for the colander.

Are we really supposed to get a doc drop?

[martha]

whew - i've had a headache since early this morning - thought i got rid of it but it came back.:wink:Oh my that is awful sure hope you get to feeling better soon. If I was casey I sure would be made at my lawyers if they had something that could get me out of jail and they just keep letting me sit there. if they have something to find her not guilty with why in the world would they keep putting this trial off. jmho:wub:

[jaxback]

Isn't that the truth?

Would that be legal? Seriously.

[msgatorslayer]

I was thinking alot about the SS Caylee Marie on Monday.

Hubby and I went on an airboat tour. Coincidentally, the Coast Guard was flying overhead the whole time looking for a missing boater. I kept an eye out myself.

Anyways, when we were done boating we went to lunch at a place that's right on the beach. We seen all the search vessels lined up coming back in. I knew for sure that the missing woman was found. As it was early afternoon and to early for them to be calling off the search for the day.

Across the way, at the public boat ramp is where they were all headed. To meet the Forensic's van.:sad:

JMO, if the Anthony's or Milestead's had a partially honest bone in their bodies, they'd get off the 'missing children' bandwagon and use the EXtreme Search and Rescue company and SS Caylee Marie boat for a more meaningful purpose. Like assisting the Coast Guard or Marine Patrols when there is an accident and a person is lost at sea.

JM2copper for the day!

[sydney]

No syd, you are NOT hallucinating. One of the papers (orlando sentinel I think) paraphrases his response but I haven't seen the actual 5 pages yet.

lol

whew! thanks for that! good to know i'm only 1/2 an idiot.

i hope the remainder of the motion is as good as his opening volley. can't WAIT to see it. also can't wait to see the affidavits from the "experts", if they are to be produced.

[kakax]

Would that be legal? Seriously.

I don't see what would be illegal about that. I wish they had done it. Maybe that would have been seen as pressuring Cindy too much, but IMO that is what she needed.
Too bad that didn't happen.

[Dtviewer3]

I was thinking alot about the SS Caylee Marie on Monday.

Hubby and I went on an airboat tour. Coincidentally, the Coast Guard was flying overhead the whole time looking for a missing boater. I kept an eye out myself.

---snipped-----!


I saw the Coast Guard flying over also and figured that was what was going on.

So sad....and mysterious.....how that turned out.....:sad:

[Sun]

No syd, you are NOT hallucinating. One of the papers (orlando sentinel I think) paraphrases his response but I haven't seen the actual 5 pages yet.

lol

There is a thread with a link over on WS, if you want to read the 5 page motion. Not quite sure why the media hasn't yet posted it, other than they are just busy with other news.

[Dtviewer3]

I don't see what would be illegal about that. I wish they had done it. Maybe that would have been seen as pressuring Cindy too much, but IMO that is what she needed.
Too bad that didn't happen.


It also would have been entertaining if the Child Welfare investigator did the same thing with Casey.

When Casey said "LE has it all wrong and I have receipts to prove I was working", and also her assertion that Caylees Dad set up a trust fund for Caylee.

If the investigator had said, 'ok, we are done, I just need those receipts from your job and also the paper work from the trust fund and we can wrap up our interview'.

[sydney]

Oh my that is awful sure hope you get to feeling better soon. If I was casey I sure would be made at my lawyers if they had something that could get me out of jail and they just keep letting me sit there. if they have something to find her not guilty with why in the world would they keep putting this trial off. jmho:wub:

thank you, sweetie. headache's gone now, but i have a feeling it'll be back sometime today.

[sydney]

i don't know why conferencing lee in would have been illegal. they surreptitiously taped lee and rick, i believe. they would prolly have announced that they were on a conference call.

i agree. too bad it wasn't done.

[cassidy]

I WAS feeling better. You must have missed the part that said I lost all the money AND the pool boy. :laugh:

Do we have any ideas what should be in the next dump? (I'm so out of the loop.)


Dancing will lift your spirits :) According to the Sentinel we should be getting a dump this week. Probably tomorrow as I will be sitting in the car repair place most likely for hours on end. YUCK.

[trich]

Bolding by me....

To me the argument that everyone "just knew" it was Caylee does not hold any water. LE was still in charge of the crime scene and it was their responsibility to follow the proper protocol when collecting evidence. To use the argument that everyone "just knew" it was Caylee, so therefore the defense should have been allowed into the crime scene would be similar to saying that everyone "just knows" that Casey is the one that murdered Caylee, so why even both going through a trial then? Just because a probable conclusion can be drawn, doesn't mean that proper protocol shouldn't be followed.

I agree that the LE has an obligation to investigate throughly and the idea that any defense should be allowed onto the scene while the LE is doing their job is IMO just plain stupid.
I don't care if they thought the body was someone completely different they still had an obligation to investigate anything and everything until they felt they had collected every speck of evidence.
Most times evidence is collected and a suspect is then arrested and then a defense team enters the picture ....is shown the evidence for which they arrested their client.
It would be interesting to know how many defense attorneys can say they were allowed to investigate the evidence and crime scene at the same time that the LE is .
Again that is rediculous and I would not respect any LE or prosecution who allowed that to happen.
No one but crime scene investigators should be involved in collecting evidence of any crime.
And I certainly would not trust any defense team to not contaminate evidence or possibly to create false evidence.
To say what harm would it do .....is very naive and not very professional. IMO

[Numbers]

I was thinking alot about the SS Caylee Marie on Monday.

Hubby and I went on an airboat tour. Coincidentally, the Coast Guard was flying overhead the whole time looking for a missing boater. I kept an eye out myself.

Anyways, when we were done boating we went to lunch at a place that's right on the beach. We seen all the search vessels lined up coming back in. I knew for sure that the missing woman was found. As it was early afternoon and to early for them to be calling off the search for the day.

Across the way, at the public boat ramp is where they were all headed. To meet the Forensic's van.:sad:

JMO, if the Anthony's or Milestead's had a partially honest bone in their bodies, they'd get off the 'missing children' bandwagon and use the EXtreme Search and Rescue company and SS Caylee Marie boat for a more meaningful purpose. Like assisting the Coast Guard or Marine Patrols when there is an accident and a person is lost at sea.

JM2copper for the day!

I think I see the problem.......

[Sun]

hmm how did they get it? Thanks Sun. I'm really interested in reading it.

It's a public record, I believe. Obtainable from the Clerk's office maybe? From the Clerk of Courts records, looks like someone paid $15 today for copies (of something).

[Kathlb]

2 Toots for a Doc Drop
I feel like we are over due.
Seems like it has been a long time since our last one.
I hope Casey slept well last night. You know with all the reports coming out that she screamed 1 (one) time in her sleep and woke everyone in the jail house up.

I wonder if she was dreaming about being caught and accused of Caylee's murder and she was in jail and had been there for a long time
and seeing her brother come to visit her wearing tube socks. I bet that would have been a real scary dream.

I had a funny thought (funny-weird) Knowing how Casey loves herself and thinks she is so smart, when the Judge reads her the right to take the stand even if her lawyers don't want her to, Who thinks that she will be so dumb and so into herself that she does it knowing she can "talk her way out of anything and that includes a jury"

Oh boy, You could sell tickets to that one.

[trich]

LOL Kakax. She wouldn't have stood a chance in my house either. My husband kept telling me that if I kept snooping I'd find something I didn't want to know. Now what do you suppose that would have been? never happened, but I did manage to thwart a few well laid plans in my time :)

I know it is a little off topic but I have to inject something here:
Any mom that does not snoop on her teenagers is naive.
The only way to keep informed is to snoop....yeah we might find "stuff" we didn't want to know but whatever we can prevent from happening is a good thing.
As Judge Judy always says:"if they can talk they will lie"
or somthing to that effect.:tongueside:

[Sun]

You have to be a member over at WS to be able to read it so I'll have to wait for the media to get it.


eta (again): Never mind, I read further and found you can download it to your computer. Reading now.

Does it seem odd to you, that the defense has not yet examined (or even asked to examine) evidence collected from the Suburban site? Other than perhaps photos.

[Numbers]

It seems to me that Ashton is saying "spoliation" is only for civil trials, and the term shouldn't be used in this case.

Am I reading this right?

[sydney]

That's how I read it too. They seem to point out a few errors in the defense motion. I'll have to reread this a few times to be able to digest it all.

where can i get a copy? can you pm the link, please?

thanks.

[sydney]

I know it is a little off topic but I have to inject something here:
Any mom that does not snoop on her teenagers is naive.
The only way to keep informed is to snoop....yeah we might find "stuff" we didn't want to know but whatever we can prevent from happening is a good thing.
As Judge Judy always says:"if they can talk they will lie"
or somthing to that effect.:tongueside:

okay, i hope no one hates me here but i ALWAYS snooped on my kids. i went through their rooms, i went through their backpacks, all that stuff.

it wasn't so much that i didn't trust them, but i knew what kids (especially teenagers) could get up to. i found some "stuff", too but i was able to address that "stuff" with them before it got out of hand.

i must say, it worked out well for all of us.

[Sun]

That's how I read it too. They seem to point out a few errors in the defense motion. I'll have to reread this a few times to be able to digest it all.

chuckles.... I had to read parts of it several times. I suspect that this response is not what the defense expected. It's a put up or shut up type of response. Sure hope Ashton knows what he's doing.

It will be interesting to see if the defense quickly starts to backpedal.

[Eagleeye]

I was thinking alot about the SS Caylee Marie on Monday.

Hubby and I went on an airboat tour. Coincidentally, the Coast Guard was flying overhead the whole time looking for a missing boater. I kept an eye out myself.

Anyways, when we were done boating we went to lunch at a place that's right on the beach. We seen all the search vessels lined up coming back in. I knew for sure that the missing woman was found. As it was early afternoon and to early for them to be calling off the search for the day.

Across the way, at the public boat ramp is where they were all headed. To meet the Forensic's van.:sad:

JMO, if the Anthony's or Milestead's had a partially honest bone in their bodies, they'd get off the 'missing children' bandwagon and use the EXtreme Search and Rescue company and SS Caylee Marie boat for a more meaningful purpose. Like assisting the Coast Guard or Marine Patrols when there is an accident and a person is lost at sea.

JM2copper for the day!

That may be all well and good but the SS Caylee Marie is at best a Bass boat not suited for the ocean and Orlando FL is almost dead center in the State and many miles from the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico. No way are they going to take that thing out to Sea. Save for that, I would bet that boat wouldn't pass inspection by the CG.

[Sun]

Were you around last night Sun when I posted a link to a case that was overturned because Jeff Ashton didn't turn over some info? (That made me a bit nervous.)

No I didn't see that. I will have to go back and look to see if I can find that link. How long ago was that, do you remember?

[cassidy]

I'm quickly seeing 1999. He was a prosecutor back then. Here's the link to my post and the link to more info:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13500149&postcount=726

Let's hope he learned a lesson from that and does not try it again.

[sydney]

nice response. well written, short and to the point. i wonder how long it'll be before a hearing is held on it?

(and i'm still sticking to my guns that a JUDGE doesn't determine what is evidence - just what evidence is admissable/inadmissable)

kat, lapis? help, please?

[Sun]

I'm quickly seeing 1999. He was a prosecutor back then. Here's the link to my post and the link to more info:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13500149&postcount=726

I wonder if the defendant got a new trial, and was convicted again?

[BlueTurtle]

Some of it, may not be considered evidence. Of course Caylees remains are without a doubt evidence. The judge has to approve it first. They should have let the defense observe it because, there would be no question that the discovery was there all along. They usually let the defense supervise, the scene, I know forensics had a job to do but to not allow the defense to supervise? It would have been a lot easier for the prosecution to allow the defense supervise. Hidden in plain site?

Except it was Henry Lee who was the "celebrity expert" and I would have been very wary of his oversight. Look at what happened with the inspection of the car and garbage. And this is after he already had lost credibility during the Spector trial.

[Sun]

I tried researching it later last night and found another "guilty" but then another appeal. I didn't follow it up any further to see the final outcome.

Interesting. Oh my! :closedeyes: I sure am hoping that there will be a doc dump tomorrow. Doesn't look like it will happen today.

I'm still mulling over the defense's motions that Casey not be video taped or recorded. And, I wonder why the defense is now making the assertion that they can't adequately defend Casey because her visits with family are monitored and taped.

[BlueTurtle]

i believe that casey had access to that crime scene long before LE did. i believe there is something specific there the defense is looking for in LE's evidence based on information from casey. it could be real or it could be along the lines of the rest of casey's life--delusional. i believe either there is something she needed jose to go in and remove, or something that would be helpful to plant. i am convinced that casey is calling every shot in that defense (and my have written some of those motions herself) and her team goes along rather than give up that valuable camera time. she knows she's a hot legal commodity right now and is going to milk it for all it's worth....it's all about the control to her.

jmo


If it for something she knows should be there and isn't, then how does she know that animals could not have moved the item enough to be outside the area the forensic team looked at. If it is outside the area, how would anyone know it was important to collect? A lot of what ifs.

[Piratexox]

I found the motion. It's on a site that I don't know if I can post the link for. Little help here?