Multiple deaths in Beason, IL

[sinagua]

http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_4355c77c-b787-5e26-a968-f7b9bed2de9f.html


Not much information, yet. TV news reports say possibly 6 dead. Beason is a tiny town of a few 100, near Lincoln, in central IL.

[happyalice]

News conference scheduled for 11am CDT

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_14b710c8-a70b-11de-9beb-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story

Alice

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_14b710c8-a70b-11de-9beb-001cc4c03286.html

'Brutal homicide' kills 5 family members in Logan Co.

BEASON -- Police are searching for a suspect considered armed and dangerous after a "brutal homicide against an entire family" that left two adults and three children dead, the Logan County sheriff said Tuesday.

Confirmed dead were Raymond "Rick" Gee, 46; Ruth Gee, 39; Justina Constant, 16; Dillen Constant, 14; and Austin Gee, 11. Another child, a 3-year-old, was taken to a Peoria hospital and was called a "possible survivor" of the slayings.

[desmom]

Area radio stations have been reporting people in Beason should keep their doors locked. They also reported the 3 year old had been transferred to a Peoria hospital.

:rose:

[n/t]

I hope they catch the monster who did this.

[desmom]

Beason residents mourn family in slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_02ff5d4a-a79c-11de-ad3c-001cc4c03286.html

[n/t]

Still no motive? Was it a burglary? Anything missing from the home?

Heartbreaking to read about the children. :sad:

[desmom]

Still no motive? Was it a burglary? Anything missing from the home?

Heartbreaking to read about the children. :sad:

LE is being pretty hush hush. I have been listening to area radio stations and callers reported LE was searching a bean field and there were State LE planes/copters in the area. They are also being told to lock their doors.

This is a very, very small town off a 2 lane state highway. Population is around 200.

[GentleBreeze]

LE is being pretty hush hush. I have been listening to area radio stations and callers from the area reported LE was searching a bean field and there were State LE planes/copters in the area. They are also being told to lock their doors.

This is a very, very small town off a 2 lane state highway. Population is around 200.

From some reason I think LE is already onto some knowledge they aren't divulging.

It reminds me of exactly what PC Doering told the community when the 8 Georgia murder victims were first found. At the beginning he told the community to be on alert and lock their doors.

Whether the perpetrator was known to the victims or whether it is some mass murdering home invader there is a desperate person out there with nothing to lose after already murdering 5 and wounding another.

[cassidy]

From some reason I think LE is already onto some knowledge they aren't divulging.

It reminds me of exactly what PC Doering told the community when the 8 Georgia murder victims were first found. At the beginning he told the community to be on alert and lock their doors.

Whether the perpetrator was known to the victims or whether it is some mass murdering home invader there is a desperate person out there with nothing to lose after already murdering 5 and wounding another.

It must be scary to be in Beason today :( I hope they catch this person soon!

[GentleBreeze]

It must be scary to be in Beason today :( I hope they catch this person soon!

It has to be very tense for these people in this tiny community of 200 people where everyone tends to know everyone.

I hope and pray LE makes an arrest soon.

imo

[airportwoman]

I live in that region and wonder if this might be meth related. Not insinuating that the family was involved in its manufacture and/or distribution, but someone who's tweaking might have broken into the wrong house or something like that.

:rose:

[desmom]

photo gallery http://www2.pantagraph.com/shared-content/gallery/?galleryid=4&gallery_page=0&album_page=0&albumid=1170&mediaid=27639

Peoria Journal updated about an hour ago
http://www.pjstar.com/homepage/x593047012/Logan-County-officials-investigating-multiple-deaths

Counselors available at schools for classmates
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_d85207d2-a7af-11de-9de2-001cc4c03286.html

[n/t]

I live in that region and wonder if this might be meth related. Not insinuating that the family was involved in its manufacture and/or distribution, but someone who's tweaking might have broken into the wrong house or something like that.

:rose:

If it's someone local, I would think they'd know they had the wrong house but then again we just don't.

Why the children? *sigh*

Do they have extended family in the town? The poor little 3 year old baby. Where will she go? :sad:

[desmom]

If it's someone local, I would think they'd know they had the wrong house but then again we just don't.

Why the children? *sigh*

Do they have extended family in the town? The poor little 3 year old baby. Where will she go? :sad:

http://www.pjstar.com/homepage/x593047012/Logan-County-officials-investigating-multiple-deaths reported At approximately 9 p.m. Monday, police had both ends of Broadway blocked to traffic. Authorities had set up a command post at the Beason Rural Fire Department.

Outside the fire department, about 10 family members sat waiting for information from officials.

[n/t]

photo gallery http://www2.pantagraph.com/shared-content/gallery/?galleryid=4&gallery_page=0&album_page=0&albumid=1170&mediaid=27639

Peoria Journal updated about an hour ago
http://www.pjstar.com/homepage/x593047012/Logan-County-officials-investigating-multiple-deaths

Counselors available at schools for classmates
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_d85207d2-a7af-11de-9de2-001cc4c03286.html

Thanks for the links des.

I noticed a few things.

1) Only one child had the same last name as the parents. I wonder if the other 3 were steps?

2) The word "brutal" was used. All murders are brutal but wonder if they were beaten.

3) LE saying arrest "those" responsible. Are they leaning towards this being committed by more than one perp?

4) The call was received at 4:30 pm. Unusual time for "home invasion" type of crime. And also all family members were home.

Don't know why but it sounds "personal" to me.

Is this a copycat of the murders in Georgia?

[n/t]

http://www.pjstar.com/homepage/x593047012/Logan-County-officials-investigating-multiple-deaths reported At approximately 9 p.m. Monday, police had both ends of Broadway blocked to traffic. Authorities had set up a command post at the Beason Rural Fire Department.

Outside the fire department, about 10 family members sat waiting for information from officials.

OK,,thanks des. Good to know this baby girl has family members who will hopefully take her in when she gets out of the hospital.

:rose:

[desmom]

Local news just reported LE does have a "suspect in mind, suspect is not in custody and is considered armed and dangerous".

Reporter tried to get comments from a couple of the neighbors, but the neighbors said LE told them to not to talk to the media and they are not.

no link...jmo

[desmom]

more photos http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1699593291/Photos-from-Beason

(pics come up in pop up window. You will have to put your mouse toward the top right edge of photo for "next" button to appear.)

[AmndaRcknwth]

A couple and three of their children were found brutally slain inside their home in this tiny central Illinois farming community, and authorities warned residents Tuesday to lock their doors at night while investigators try to identify possible suspects.

Authorities discovered the bodies Monday afternoon after responding to a 911 call about possible shots fired at the address, Logan County Sheriff Steven Nichols said at a news conference.

A 3-year-old girl survived the attack and was taken to a hospital in Peoria, he said. The girl's grandmother identified her as the couple's daughter, Tabitha Gee.

Nichols declined to say why his office didn't release information about the slayings until Tuesday morning. He said detectives were trying to identify possible suspects, and that those responsible for the killings should be considered "armed and dangerous."

Nichols warned area residents to lock their doors at night as a precaution.

The slayings, which Nichols described as a "brutal homicide against an entire family," occurred at the family's ranch-style home in Beason, a farming community of a few hundred residents about 140 miles southwest of Chicago.

Nichols declined to provide details about the crime scene or the suspected cause of death, but he said investigators would begin doing autopsies on Tuesday.

Nichols identified the victims and gave their approximate ages: Raymond "Rick" Gee, 46; Ruth Gee, 39; Justina Constant, 16, Dillen Constant, 14; and Austin Gee, 11.

He did not immediately provide details about the girl who survived.

The family was described as quiet and well-liked by townspeople and relatives.

"They were very quiet and very kind and never had a bad word to say about anybody," said Ruth Gee's mother, Francis Constant, who lives in nearby Lincoln.

Raymond Gee hustled for work in construction and as a handyman while his wife, a stay-at-home mom, helped out whenever she could, Constant said.

The couple faced their share of hardships, including having an 11-year-old daughter who suffered a brain injury so severe she has live at a special facility in Peoria. She said her son-in-law also had an adult daughter who did not live at the couple's home.


http://www.lompocrecord.com/articles/2009/09/22/ap/us/us_family_slain_illinois.txt

[titanfan217]

Local news just reported LE does have a "suspect in mind, suspect is not in custody and is considered armed and dangerous".

Reporter tried to get comments from a couple of the neighbors, but the neighbors said LE told them to not to talk to the media and they are not.

no link...jmo

Our local radio guy reported it as a person of interest, and that person was connected to the teenage daughter.

This reporter is a previous coach in Logan County and has significant connections in the area so I believe this info is as accurate as possible.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Our local radio guy reported it as a person of interest, and that person was connected to the teenage daughter.

This reporter is a previous coach in Logan County and has significant connections in the area so I believe this info is as accurate as possible.

Awww... that's what I was afraid of.

[desmom]

Our local radio guy reported it as a person of interest, and that person was connected to the teenage daughter.

This reporter is a previous coach in Logan County and has significant connections in the area so I believe this info is as accurate as possible.

Thanks Titanfan. :seeya:

I have been watching Springfield and Decatur news. Springfield is the one reported "suspect". I'm going with your coach from Logan Co.

[desmom]

State-Journal Register has done an update to their story..

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1073704759/Multiple-deaths-reported-at-home-in-Beason

The postmaster talks about the children. The bus stop was at the post office. She said the children were not at the bus stop Monday morning.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Saved pics from the case:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/

[GentleBreeze]

Our local radio guy reported it as a person of interest, and that person was connected to the teenage daughter.

This reporter is a previous coach in Logan County and has significant connections in the area so I believe this info is as accurate as possible.

OMG!:ohmy: This is what I thought about immediately when I read another article today where it said the 16 year old had her first boyfriend this year.


imo

[airportwoman]

I also noticed that the older kids had different last names. I assume they are hers from a previous marriage or relationship. Does anyone know if he is alive, and if so, what kind of relationship she and the kids had with him?

Sure hope this wasn't one of those cases of a young, naive girl being swept off her feet by a much older troublemaker and her parents disapproved. That would be bad enough, but killing the family, assuming this is what happened?

[titanfan217]

I also noticed that the older kids had different last names. I assume they are hers from a previous marriage or relationship. Does anyone know if he is alive, and if so, what kind of relationship she and the kids had with him?

Sure hope this wasn't one of those cases of a young, naive girl being swept off her feet by a much older troublemaker and her parents disapproved. That would be bad enough, but killing the family, assuming this is what happened?


They didn't give much about the person of interest, at least at 4 o'clock, but he may have been 3 or 4 years older than the girl. I will try to check one of the local news at 10.

[GentleBreeze]

I also noticed that the older kids had different last names. I assume they are hers from a previous marriage or relationship. Does anyone know if he is alive, and if so, what kind of relationship she and the kids had with him?

Sure hope this wasn't one of those cases of a young, naive girl being swept off her feet by a much older troublemaker and her parents disapproved. That would be bad enough, but killing the family, assuming this is what happened?

Yes, they were a blended family but I don't think this has anything to do with an ex and Mrs. Gee's mother is a Constant too so she evidently was not married when she had her two oldest children with the same last name.

By all accounts this family was very much seen as a family unit and close no matter their biological makeup.

From all accounts everyone in that community has nothing but praise for this entire family.

I am afraid this is leading to a boyfriend who may have been told he couldn't come around Justina anymore. The family may have found out he was older than he told them or he was not good for their daughter to be around.

It doesn't take much spark to rage a firestorm inside some of these teenagers who seem to carry out vendettas in a blink of an eye.

imo

[withay]

I just don't get it.... I am not the killing type (blood scares the HELL out of me) but I can understand adults being so mad at each other that things escalate out of control... but CHILDREN????? How do people who are willing to MURDER a child live w/themselves???? :cursing:

When children are also killed, it seems to me, that the killer is usually known to the family. They kill the children to keep from being identified. No excuse but it seems to be the reasoning.

[GentleBreeze]

State-Journal Register has done an update to their story..

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1073704759/Multiple-deaths-reported-at-home-in-Beason

The postmaster talks about the children. The bus stop was at the post office. She said the children were not at the bus stop Monday morning.

That is strange. They weren't there Monday morning yet.......

"The bodies were discovered by Logan County sheriff’s deputies and Illinois State Police inside the home at 1571 2150th Ave. in Beason, which is about 10 miles east of Lincoln, after authorities received a 911 call at 4:26 p.m. Monday."

I heard someone called 911 when they heard gunshots. So did this person have them hemmed up in the home all day long and finally shot them around 4:26 pm?

Or are they searching the fields close by the home and think that the suspect may have gone off and killed himself after he had killed the family earlier?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

When children are also killed, it seems to me, that the killer is usually known to the family. They kill the children to keep from being identified. No excuse but it seems to be the reasoning.

I think that may be a part of it but I think when it is a personal crime against a family the rage is so great that the perpetrator wants to eradicate the entire family as if they never existed.

imo

[titanfan217]

Per Decatur TV, Sheriff's office not giving out any description. Local residents are not happy. As one said, everyone there knows everyone.

Per Champaign TV, they are claiming they have no suspects.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Protective custody for the remaining family.

WHAT?

[GentleBreeze]

Protective custody for the remaining family.

WHAT?

Where did you hear that Amanda?

What other family? I thought this was all of their immediate family?

imo

[happygert]

Area radio stations have been reporting people in Beason should keep their doors locked. They also reported the 3 year old had been transferred to a Peoria hospital.

:rose:

very sad The baby's in critical condition.. not sure if she'll make it..

[happygert]

I think that may be a part of it but I think when it is a personal crime against a family the rage is so great that the perpetrator wants to eradicate the entire family as if they never existed.

imo

The way this family was murdered Im sure they knew who it was..
They still have other children.. theres a 21 year old son, and another daughter by ricks first wife.. and. theres a handicapped daughter whos in a home.

[happygert]

Where did you hear that Amanda?

What other family? I thought this was all of their immediate family?

imo

Never heard that.. No theres still more kids.. ones in a home for the handicapped.. theres a son from ricks first wife whos 21 and another daughter dont recall how old she is..I think that's al of the kids.. but there is other family members still alive..they killed everyone in the house.. the 3 year old still alive but it looks very grim..

[happygert]

A couple and three of their children were found brutally slain inside their home in this tiny central Illinois farming community, and authorities warned residents Tuesday to lock their doors at night while investigators try to identify possible suspects.

Authorities discovered the bodies Monday afternoon after responding to a 911 call about possible shots fired at the address, Logan County Sheriff Steven Nichols said at a news conference.

A 3-year-old girl survived the attack and was taken to a hospital in Peoria, he said. The girl's grandmother identified her as the couple's daughter, Tabitha Gee.

Nichols declined to say why his office didn't release information about the slayings until Tuesday morning. He said detectives were trying to identify possible suspects, and that those responsible for the killings should be considered "armed and dangerous."

Nichols warned area residents to lock their doors at night as a precaution.

The slayings, which Nichols described as a "brutal homicide against an entire family," occurred at the family's ranch-style home in Beason, a farming community of a few hundred residents about 140 miles southwest of Chicago.

Nichols declined to provide details about the crime scene or the suspected cause of death, but he said investigators would begin doing autopsies on Tuesday.

Nichols identified the victims and gave their approximate ages: Raymond "Rick" Gee, 46; Ruth Gee, 39; Justina Constant, 16, Dillen Constant, 14; and Austin Gee, 11.

He did not immediately provide details about the girl who survived.

The family was described as quiet and well-liked by townspeople and relatives.

"They were very quiet and very kind and never had a bad word to say about anybody," said Ruth Gee's mother, Francis Constant, who lives in nearby Lincoln.

Raymond Gee hustled for work in construction and as a handyman while his wife, a stay-at-home mom, helped out whenever she could, Constant said.

The couple faced their share of hardships, including having an 11-year-old daughter who suffered a brain injury so severe she has live at a special facility in Peoria. She said her son-in-law also had an adult daughter who did not live at the couple's home.


http://www.lompocrecord.com/articles/2009/09/22/ap/us/us_family_slain_illinois.txt

The little girl was shot in the head among other injuries.. doubtful if she will survive....This crime scene is very gruesome.. It had to be someone they knew.. because of the brutality of this crime..

[happygert]

This happened around 4 yesterday.. (monday)..
everyone who was in the house was murdered and mutilated.. IMO they knew there murderer.. Sheriff Nichols will not say how they died but They were shot and stabbed.. The house was riddled with bullets..The 3 year old was also shot in the head..
Crime scene investigators from Lewistown was there all night..they removed bodies early this am.. they just turned the scene over to Logan County. a few hours ago... they have the crime scene still is being secured.. PD and react is guarding the crime scene..

There was a lot of evidence collected..they do have a suspect in mind..
IMo they need to put a picture out so everyone knows to look for this person.. I've heard a name but I will not repeat it until they say for sure..

[happygert]

It had to be someone the family knew. The population in that town is only 200. Everyone knew each other. If the 16 year old had her first boyfriend, I wonder how long she had been dating him. She must have met him in the same town, right? Where is his family and where does he live i wonder.
No information but it would be nice to find out a bit more. After all, they have already said the young 16 year old had a "first" boyfriend.

If he is a person of Interest and over 18 then there should be no reason they wouldn't mention him. Someone must have known whether mom and dad approved of him. This is extremely bazaar.

NO they dont have a school in Beason all kids go to Lincoln.. K thru 8 grade they go to Chester east 9-12 go to Lincoln Community High school.. beason is a very small town.. maybe 200 people at the most.

who ever killed this family knew who he was.. The way the bodies were mutilated they knew him..

If The little girl survives I dont know what the future will hold for her.. IT's unbelievable what he did to her..

Extremely.. I know my daughters b/f was a psychopath he had a record at the age of 15 for domestic he was 6 mos younger then my daughter and he tried to kill her.. he told her he'd kill all of us..some are just not wired right

[need2no]

The little girl was shot in the head among other injuries.. doubtful if she will survive....This crime scene is very gruesome.. It had to be someone they knew.. because of the brutality of this crime..

I guess they will start with family...like the 21 yr. old daughter.

[happygert]

Don't tell me, was this in Beason too??

No It was here in Bloomington.. Long story.. she was missing for 8 very very, long days.

[happygert]

I guess they will start with family...like the 21 yr. old daughter.

Yes the 21 is a son.. heard they were into it on sunday..:shrug: I dont even want to type what im thinking..

[happygert]

Is the 21 year old Rick's son?
What about the boyfriend. The first boyfriend with their 16 year old. Is he a person of Interest? Has he been ruled out?:shrug:

Yes the 21 yr old is Ricks son.. Pm'd you ..

[happygert]

I have never been so close to a murder like this one. It's extremely unusual in such a small town. They must be working around the clock.
Now, the son is married? does he have any children?

Sons not married but there is a baby..18 month old.. Im assuming its his..

Yes 33 years ago there was another brutal murder.. father, mother , and a daugther, one daugther and her sister b/f got away..In Lincoln

Then there was Jay and Robin Fry that was murdered she was pregnant.. the Mrs Martin came up missing and they've never found her body.. They were to tesify against a college kid who stole steaks from Kroger he murdered them so they could not testify against him..then one of his roomates came up missing and they still havent found him either

really glad they had csi come in.. cause I dont think Logan county can handle this. On thing about it Chief of Police used to be a State Police officer...

[happygert]

Are you saying it was the other daughter and her boyfriend that killed the mom, dad and sister 33 years ago?:confused:
Oops, I missed that paragraph in between, gert.
Never mind...):

No the one girl and the other girls b/f got away.. Michael Drabing murdered the mom ,dad, and the other sister.. he got mad because the dad made him leave they were having a pool party dad told him to leave.. he was after the one who lived..she ran one way the guy ran the other way.. dont know if there'll be anything on comptuer.. It was the schineders murders..aug 19 1976.. sorry its late dont mean to confuse you..

[happygert]

This is such a brutal murder and I hope they get this guy really quick. IF he would do this to an innocent family then he has nothing to lose right now if he comes across anyone else trying to get away from the police. He could walk into anyone's house in another county to steal their car and kill them all.
This is very scary to think about. i sure wouldn't want to live out there in the country side with this happening around me.
They say it's so safe living in a small town. I know it doesn't happen everyday but in daylight at 4 in the afternoon is bazaar.

Yes totally .. The dogs went through the fields so my guess is he parked car on road and walked thru the field.. Heck we used to leave doors open all the time day or night when it was nice outside..never locked them keys left in cars and the whole nine yards..

My son thinks who every did it may have committed suicide.. or will before they catch him...I said if he was going to do it why didnt he do it there? But who knows he may yet.. IM sure this is a dp case..

[happygert]

With all the stuff I've seen in these small towns I could write a book..

[happygert]

What makes you think the killer will commit suicide.:confused:

No My son thinks he will.. I said if he was why didnt he do it there. but who knows..


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[Postergeist]

Awww... that's what I was afraid of.

me too- heard the story on the news Tues. and then reading the links here, made me think oh- who is new in the mix and it's mentioned that the teen girl had her first bf.

I hope the perp/s are caught soon-

prayers for the baby girl

for the family of the victims

and for the community as well

:rose:

[desmom]

happygert, this is so sad. imo. I am very sorry for this family. Is this Bloomington the in Indiana? If I could work the smileys I would make one to cry for them. I am so sorry, jmo.

Bill Bogata

Bloomington, IL approx. 40 miles NE of Beason.

[n/t]

I was hoping to awaken to news of an arrest. The more I read, the more horrific the details are.

:sad:

[desmom]

Police vow to find suspect in family slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Absence felt at Beason's school bus stop
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_30dbac14-a828-11de-bf83-001cc4c03286.html

[desmom]

That is strange. They weren't there Monday morning yet.......

"The bodies were discovered by Logan County sheriff’s deputies and Illinois State Police inside the home at 1571 2150th Ave. in Beason, which is about 10 miles east of Lincoln, after authorities received a 911 call at 4:26 p.m. Monday."

I heard someone called 911 when they heard gunshots. So did this person have them hemmed up in the home all day long and finally shot them around 4:26 pm?

Or are they searching the fields close by the home and think that the suspect may have gone off and killed himself after he had killed the family earlier?

imo

Or something happened over the weekend to cause the parents enough concern to drive the children to school. jmo

[desmom]

Springfield news showed a video clip of the Sheriff from yesterday afternoon. The Sheriff said there would be heavy police presence in Beason until they get "a good handle on it."

This makes me think LE feels the suspect could still be in the area or the suspect is known to the community.

jmo

[AmndaRcknwth]

Police have scheduled a press conference today 11:00 CST.


eta-
Here is a link to some of the other murders in central IL, mentioned upthread:
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_447967ea-a826-11de-a7f6-001cc4c03286.html

[desmom]

Beason slayings shatter sense of security
http://www.sj-r.com/news/x1699593710/Beason-mourning-loss-of-five-neighbors

n a news conference Tuesday, Logan County Sheriff Steve Nichols declined to discuss any details of the deaths, even whether the victims died of gunshot wounds.

“We’re still processing the scene, and we’re going to wait and make any decision upon that after the autopsy is concluded,” Nichols said.

Logan County Coroner Robert Thomas said his office would not finish autopsies on the five victims until late Tuesday night. More information should be available this morning, Thomas said.

[airportwoman]

I also saw that the father owned a business. Maybe he recently fired someone, or someone feels he cheated them, or there might be another issue?

[GentleBreeze]

I also saw that the father owned a business. Maybe he recently fired someone, or someone feels he cheated them, or there might be another issue?

I am not sure he owned a business but he was a general contractor and did odd jobs.

I don't think this crime was done by an outsider who may have been disgruntled. It would be rare that a person would wipe out the entire family including children just to get back at the father about a business deal.

This has the earmarkings of a very up close and personal crime. I think it is either family or someone who may have been accepted by them at one time but then was banished for some reason.

To do this type of crime it usually is someone that is known by the family well and has recently been in their midst.

It could be a wacko boyfriend and Justina was told she had to break up with him because her parents didn't approve of him. They may have found out he is older than he led them to believe.

We have seen the rage that young murderers are capable of doing to entire families when they don't get their way.

Whomever this is he is a monster from hell and I pray they catch him soon so the community can have some peace and the Gee/Constant family members will know who did this to their loved ones.

imo

[sinagua]

Does anyone know who was taken into protective custody? I have never heard of that before, except on TV.

I read that there is other family, because 10 family members were at the hospital with the 3 YO.

These types of slaughters are happening all to often. I think of the Florida couple that raised all of those handicapped children and the recent murders where the young adult shot all of his family in the trailer. (The trailer murders were also very gruesome and evidently done by one disgruntled relative.)

There just is no sensible thing to think about the large number of slaughters, anymore.

[GentleBreeze]

I noticed in one of the articles it said that a large gathering was at the church and a lot of them were young people that knew the children.

I am wondering if they may have noticed that someone was missing that they thought surely would have been there?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Does anyone know who was taken into protective custody? I have never heard of that before, except on TV.

I read that there is other family, because 10 family members were at the hospital with the 3 YO.

These types of slaughters are happening all to often. I think of the Florida couple that raised all of those handicapped children and the recent murders where the young adult shot all of his family in the trailer. (The trailer murders were also very gruesome and evidently done by one disgruntled relative.)

There just is no sensible thing to think about the large number of slaughters, anymore.

I have no idea but I am suspicious somewhat about that. Could they really think this person is a suspect and they are putting them where they can keep an eye on them while they wait for the evidence to come in?

imo

[sinagua]

This link may be here, but it is the one that says an adult daughter and her children have been taken into protective custody. I seriously, have only heard of this in situations where the murders were a mob hit. My folks were both LE in IL. I will see what they think.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/manhunt-for-killed-of-family-of-5-downstate.html

[GentleBreeze]

Snipped and bolded by me



I think of the emotional age of the perp, whether physically a kid, a teenager, or an adult of any age.

I would guess simple executions in mob hits (ie, back of head). Any hacking looks emotional.

Murder-suicide is another option, but I haven't seen a hint of it from LE or from posters here, so I guess that's not being considered at this point. Maybe the evidence quickly excluded it.

I can't find a feed to the PC at 11 AM, so I'm waiting on posts.

The police have said that this entire family are victims of homicide.

I think this was done by someone with deep emotional personal rage and not by hit man.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

This link may be here, but it is the one that says an adult daughter and her children have been taken into protective custody. I seriously, have only heard of this in situations where the murders were a mob hit. My folks were both LE in IL. I will see what they think.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/manhunt-for-killed-of-family-of-5-downstate.html

I think they are just being careful.

They certainly must think the family was targeted by someone that knew them.

This part of the article explains the 911 call.

"Harris said a neighborhood boy was the first to find the family dead. He had come from school Monday and knocked on the Gees' door. The door opened, Harris said, and the boy saw "a lot of blood" and quickly ran to alert family members. Nicole Gee and another relative arrived next on the scene and called police."

[happyalice]

Sheriff is talking now.

They are continuing to investigate, asking for help from the community to find a gray primered Ford Ranger or Chevy S-10 pickup, with exhaust pipes extending into the back bed of the truck. This truck was seen in Beason around midnight on the 20th (Sunday night, Monday morning).

Continue to take safety precautions, lock your door, know where your children are, keep track of your neighbors. The autopsies are concluded, awaiting the pathologist for information to review. There were no gunshot victims in this incident. No gun was used. :crying:

The 3yo girl is stable.

Next press conference is tomorrow at 4pm.

[happygert]

This link may be here, but it is the one that says an adult daughter and her children have been taken into protective custody. I seriously, have only heard of this in situations where the murders were a mob hit. My folks were both LE in IL. I will see what they think.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/manhunt-for-killed-of-family-of-5-downstate.html

IMO it was NOT a mob hit..They also put them in protective custody if they FEEL other family members are in danger.. Now if they've murdered almost the entire family and theres still some alive they dont want to take any chances with the other family members.

They have Nicole and her kids on PC where's Lonnie?

[GentleBreeze]

Sheriff is talking now.

They are continuing to investigate, asking for help from the community to find a gray primered Ford Ranger or Chevy S-10 pickup, with exhaust pipes extending into the back bed of the truck. This truck was seen in Beason around midnight on the 20th (Sunday night, Monday morning).

Continue to take safety precautions, lock your door, know where your children are, keep track of your neighbors. The autopsies are concluded, awaiting the pathologist for information to review. There were no gunshot victims in this incident. No gun was used. :crying:

The 3yo girl is stable.

Next press conference is tomorrow at 4pm.

Thank you.

Oh my gosh. I hope this is not another case where they were all bludgeoned to death.

Maybe they were stabbed but I thought I read the little survivor has head injuries.

Now I am convinced this was not hit job.

imo

[happygert]

Sheriff is talking now.

They are continuing to investigate, asking for help from the community to find a gray primered Ford Ranger or Chevy S-10 pickup, with exhaust pipes extending into the back bed of the truck. This truck was seen in Beason around midnight on the 20th (Sunday night, Monday morning).

Continue to take safety precautions, lock your door, know where your children are, keep track of your neighbors. The autopsies are concluded, awaiting the pathologist for information to review. There were no gunshot victims in this incident. No gun was used. :crying:

The 3yo girl is stable.

Next press conference is tomorrow at 4pm.

Oh really thats what they said? No guns..umm dont know if I I'd believe that or not.. Just remember neighbors called 911 because of hearing gun shots.. House had gun shots in it.. I just dont think I'm buying this. But thats the Sheriff.. For everything that was done to this family it would have taken a lot of time to do this.. Without having help.. and if thats the case the killer should have cuts on him.. no one is going to stand and watch other family members murdered that way and do nothing..

[happygert]

Thank you.

Oh my gosh. I hope this is not another case where they were all bludgeoned to death.

Maybe they were stabbed but I thought I read the little survivor has head injuries.

Now I am convinced this was not hit job.

imo

The Little girl was supposed to have been shot in the head and stabbed.. Im just wondering why they are saying no guns were used. really confussed.. they collected shell casings. neighbors reported to 911 gunshots being heard...

[sinagua]

So, no gun shots.

That further sounds like the trailer murders from last month. Remember, they thought the son had killed the family with a shotgun, they were beaten that bad.

So, it only brings more questions as to how many perps were there? I do recall many instances where one person killed this many people.

Perhaps there was a knife involved?

What could bring this much violence to one family? Drugs? Money owed?

I seriously doubt that other people in the community are in danger, unless the criminals hit the wrong house. moo, of course.

I am praying that the 3 YO survives and can recall something.

[Intermeist]

So, no gun shots.

That further sounds like the trailer murders from last month. Remember, they thought the son had killed the family with a shotgun, they were beaten that bad.

So, it only brings more questions as to how many perps were there? I do recall many instances where one person killed this many people.

Perhaps there was a knife involved?

What could bring this much violence to one family? Drugs? Money owed?

I seriously doubt that other people in the community are in danger, unless the criminals hit the wrong house. moo, of course.

I am praying that the 3 YO survives and can recall something.

I disagree with your last sentence. If the 3-year-old survives, I hope she remembers NOTHING.

[Numbers]

So, no gun shots.

That further sounds like the trailer murders from last month. Remember, they thought the son had killed the family with a shotgun, they were beaten that bad.

So, it only brings more questions as to how many perps were there? I do recall many instances where one person killed this many people.

Perhaps there was a knife involved?

What could bring this much violence to one family? Drugs? Money owed?

I seriously doubt that other people in the community are in danger, unless the criminals hit the wrong house. moo, of course.

I am praying that the 3 YO survives and can recall something.

I hope she can recall nothing.

There is no way a child this age could testify or be allowed to testify. Best she remembers not a single thing of this horrible event.

[happygert]

So, no gun shots.

That further sounds like the trailer murders from last month. Remember, they thought the son had killed the family with a shotgun, they were beaten that bad.

So, it only brings more questions as to how many perps were there? I do recall many instances where one person killed this many people.

Perhaps there was a knife involved?

What could bring this much violence to one family? Drugs? Money owed?

I seriously doubt that other people in the community are in danger, unless the criminals hit the wrong house. moo, of course.

I am praying that the 3 YO survives and can recall something.


There was one other but that family was tied up.. he killed one at a time..and there was 3 murdered..this family was not tied.. If no guns was used Why did neighbors call 911 because of gunshots being heard? why did they collect shell casings? why was the house riddled with bullet holes? They were also mutilated throats were cut among other things that was done.. There was 5 people in that house Dillen a wrestler Rick a contractor .. not buying that one person could do everything that was done to these people. with out someone escaping if only a knife was used..somethings very wrong here.. Unless they were killed in the middle of the night.. What Im thinking is they were shot but they DID NOT die FROM THOSE wounds.. So therefore the Sheriff could get away with saying that.

[sinagua]

I understand what you mean about the 3 YO, but I can remember very small children that have broken cases like this.

My prayers go out to the authorities, that had to process this grizzly scene, especially with the children that were involved.

I suppose the computer and phone records will be processed. Maybe that will lead to some clues.

I haven't found any of the teenagers on facebook or myspace.

It doesn't seem that one person could have done all of this, either - but, I never say never, anymore.

[n/t]

Sheriff is talking now.

They are continuing to investigate, asking for help from the community to find a gray primered Ford Ranger or Chevy S-10 pickup, with exhaust pipes extending into the back bed of the truck. This truck was seen in Beason around midnight on the 20th (Sunday night, Monday morning).

Continue to take safety precautions, lock your door, know where your children are, keep track of your neighbors. The autopsies are concluded, awaiting the pathologist for information to review. There were no gunshot victims in this incident. No gun was used. :crying:

The 3yo girl is stable.

Next press conference is tomorrow at 4pm.

Oh my. So the perp beat them to death. Stab? This is so disturing.:crying:

[happygert]

I understand what you mean about the 3 YO, but I can remember very small children that have broken cases like this.

My prayers go out to the authorities, that had to process this grizzly scene, especially with the children that were involved.

I suppose the computer and phone records will be processed. Maybe that will lead to some clues.

I haven't found any of the teenagers on facebook or myspace.

It doesn't seem that one person could have done all of this, either - but, I never say never, anymore.

Got to remember were in Logan County here..thank god state police csi came in..

Sheriff said no victims from gunshots..neighbors reported hearing gun shots..they collected shell casings..
IMO is they didnt die from the gunshot wounds.. But from other things that was done to them..If they were shot they would more then likely be down so then they could do the rest that they did to them.. and yes one person could do it..

[happygert]

In addition to the 3yo victim, I pity the boy who showed up to play and found "a lot of blood". Maybe he saw bodies.

The discrepancy between "gunshots" in the 911 call and no forensic evidence of guns can make sense if the boy went home and related what he saw and that he thought they were shot. Maybe the boy made the 911 call himself.

Slashings makes more sense to me than bludgeonings, but nothing makes much sense right now.


nothing makes sense right now..

[happyalice]

I'm kind of wondering if the father shot at the murderer and maybe that's where the casings and bullet holes came from. I hope he at least had a chance to do some damage on that guy. (MOO, of course)

This whole event is so tragic. Completely senseless.

[KittyMom]

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=107961

Coronor: Beason Victims Did Not Die from Gun Shot Woun...

The Logan County Sheriff says the coroner's preliminary autopsy report reveals the five victims of a mass murder in Beason did not die from gun shot wounds.

Who could've done this? For some reason this brings to mind the murder of Skyla Whitaker, 11, and Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13.

[happygert]

I'm kind of wondering if the father shot at the murderer and maybe that's where the casings and bullet holes came from. I hope he at least had a chance to do some damage on that guy. (MOO, of course)

This whole event is so tragic. Completely senseless.

that very well could be..

[happygert]

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=107961

Coronor: Beason Victims Did Not Die from Gun Shot Woun...



Who could've done this? For some reason this brings to mind the murder of Skyla Whitaker, 11, and Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13.

That very well may be.. he didnt say they were not shot.. He said they DID NOT DIE FROM GUN SHOT WOUNDS...NO their throats were also slit.. and many other stabbing wounds.IN that report he never said there wasnt a gun used...never said they were NOT shot.. only didnt die from gun shot wounds

[GentleBreeze]

I hope she can recall nothing.

There is no way a child this age could testify or be allowed to testify. Best she remembers not a single thing of this horrible event.

She wouldn't have to testify. The trained officer that speaks with her could testify. Remember the Bobby Cutts case and when their two year old son told them "mommy is in the rug?" A police officer testified to what Blake said.

I hope that she doesn't remember the specifics of the case and what happened to her or her family but if she remembers who was there then I hope she remembers that part.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

That very well may be.. he didn't say they were not shot.. He said they DID NOT DIE FROM GUN SHOT WOUNDS...NO their throats were also slit.. and many other stabbing wounds.IN that report he never said there wasn't a gun used...

As I said this case eerily reminds me of the Georgia mass murder case.

At first they came out and said that all the victims had died from being shot. But later on when the case progressed it was learned the media was wrong and none of them suffered gunshot wounds but were all bludgeoned to death.

I find it highly unlikely if this family was shot that none of them would die from the gunshots but all died from stab wounds.

I think there was an encounter in that house Sunday night of some kind and they were asked to leave and then they returned around midnight and came inside where they knew the Gee's did not lock their doors.

The neighborhood little boy that went to the house after school is the one that found them and rushed home to tell his parents who then contacted the Gee family and they are the ones who called 911. No one mentioned hearing a gunshot.

imo

[happygert]

She wouldn't have to testify. The trained officer that speaks with her could testify. Remember the Bobby Cutts case and when their two year old son told them "mommy is in the rug?" A police officer testified to what Blake said.

I hope that she doesn't remember the specifics of the case and what happened to her or her family but if she remembers who was there then I hope she remembers that part.

imo

From what I have heard about her injuries.. It will be a miracle if she survives..I know they are saying stable but really several different things that could mean. all that could mean is all her vitals are stable now..

[GentleBreeze]

I'm kind of wondering if the father shot at the murderer and maybe that's where the casings and bullet holes came from. I hope he at least had a chance to do some damage on that guy. (MOO, of course)

This whole event is so tragic. Completely senseless.

Did the police say they found bullet casings at the scene and the home had bullet holes inside the home?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

From what I have heard about her injuries.. It will be a miracle if she survives..I know they are saying stable but really several different things that could mean. all that could mean is all her vitals are stable now..

That is true. I hope she recovers quickly.

The poor little three year old boy that was beat unmercifully in the Georgia case still remains on life support and is still in critical condition and that happened on 8-29.

imo

[happygert]

As I said this case eerily reminds me of the Georgia mass murder case.

At first they came out and said that all the victims had died from being shot. But later on when the case progressed it was learned the media was wrong and none of them suffered gunshot wounds but were all bludgeoned to death.

I find it highly unlikely if this family was shot that none of them would die from the gunshots but all died from stab wounds.

I think there was an encounter in that house Sunday night of some kind and they were asked to leave and then they returned around midnight and came inside where they knew the Gee's did not lock their doors.

The neighborhood little boy that went to the house after school is the one that found them and rushed home to tell his parents who then contacted the Gee family and they are the ones who called 911. No one mentioned hearing a gunshot.

imo

yes there was reports of guns shots that was the 911 call about hearing gun shots. the call came in at 4:26 pm on monday..sheriff and rescue squad reponded..


http://www.lincolndailynews.com/News/today092209_m2.shtml

[happyalice]

I just watched the press release again where the sheriff talks about the use of a gun. He says "There were no gun shot victims in this incident. There was not a gun used."
http://www.wandtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=99883&nav=menu589_1

I'm still not sure what to think about this.

[happygert]

Did the police say they found bullet casings at the scene and the home had bullet holes inside the home?

imo

They have not said on the TV but they did find shell casings bullet holes inside ..

[VC2]

With all the stuff I've seen in these small towns I could write a book..

Agatha Christie's famous detective Miss Marple lived in a tiny town and always used to say that that people in a case reminded her of the ones in the town.."joe the fishmonger's boy who would get into fights" or "sue the maid who spilled secrets" etc. In fact most of her mysteries were in small towns. So even back then it was no safer than it is now, it just felt that way. I was reading broadsheets from the 1880's about what happened in court and the news the other day (i love victoriana), it was amazing how much the same it was even though a different time.

This is such a tragedy, i sure hope its someone they catch quickly

[happygert]

I just watched the press release again where the sheriff talks about the use of a gun. He says "There were no gun shot victims in this incident. There was not a gun used."
http://www.wandtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=99883&nav=menu589_1

I'm still not sure what to think about this.

Alice all I can say is I dont have a clue why hes saying this.. I will tell you this My niece's dad and half brother was one of the first responders to the scene.. I know what they said.. they have no reason to lie.. They are having a real bad time after seeing this.. I also know what they said about the 3 year old.. and IT will be a miracle if she lives.. I will not tell everything but that much I will say..

ps the same story came from my aunts nephew.. theres a lot of people who are on PD and rescue squads that I know..

no reason for any one of them to lie about the shell casings..or bullet holes..

[desmom]

Police seek truck spotted before bodies found
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

did not die from gunshot wounds, despite initial reports of a possible shooting at their Broadway Ave. home.

3-year-old girl who is believed to be the only survivor of the attack, is in stable condition....sheriff's deputy is also at the hospital standing guard

none of the Gees' other relatives are in protective custody.

Autopsy results were expected to be released later Wednesday

dozens of volunteer searchers were set for another long day of work in Beason on Wednesday, with police reportedly looking for specific items in their investigation into the deaths.

Officials were putting together a team of about 60 volunteers to expand the ground search deeper into a bean field near the home where the bodies were found

FBI has joined the investigation and is at a command center in Lincoln

[happygert]

there was also supposed to be an argument there on Sunday.

[JoAnn]

I just watched the press release again where the sheriff talks about the use of a gun. He says "There were no gun shot victims in this incident. There was not a gun used."
http://www.wandtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=99883&nav=menu589_1

I'm still not sure what to think about this.
__
I went back and looked at the press release from LE...

On 9/21/09 at approximately 4:26 pm, Logan Dispatch received a 911 call of a possible shooting at 1571 2150th Avenue in Beason, Illinois.

Possibly there is where the discrepancy about hearing gun shots is coming from...it does not say that there were shots fired, the call came in as a possible shooting...and that could have simply come from the boy and his family that found them...looking in at the victims from a doorway and seeing lots of blood, it could be a natural assumption that they had been shot ,especially if all they did was glance in thru a door or window and did not proceed into the house for a closer look.. but then ran back to make the call LE.

Eventually they will probably release the 911 call.

[JoAnn]

there was also supposed to be an argument there on Sunday.

Do you know any further on that? Argument with who or about what?
Who would know about the argument and what is was about?

[KittyMom]

Was the father of Justina and Dillen involved with their care?

[JoAnn]

Alice all I can say is I dont have a clue why hes saying this.. I will tell you this My niece's dad and half brother was one of the first responders to the scene.. I know what they said.. they have no reason to lie.. They are having a real bad time after seeing this.. I also know what they said about the 3 year old.. and IT will be a miracle if she lives.. I will not tell everything but that much I will say..

ps the same story came from my aunts nephew.. theres a lot of people who are on PD and rescue squads that I know..

no reason for any one of them to lie about the shell casings..or bullet holes..

Maybe he only means they were not shot or killed by use of a gun. I suppose it is possible the place could have been shot up (the house I mean) for you seem to have valid info on it. And there would be no reason for the LE to lie about it..so I am looking at the wording and thinking he may have simply meant no one was shot or killed by the use of a gun.

I know it must be hard on everyone when something this horrific happens...may the investigation be swift and the person(s) responsible taken into custody quickly.

[GentleBreeze]

yes there was reports of guns shots that was the 911 call about hearing gun shots. the call came in at 4:26 pm on monday..sheriff and rescue squad responded..


http://www.lincolndailynews.com/News/today092209_m2.shtml

I just think that is misinformation which usually happens when cases are unfolding.

From what I heard they were called there to do a wellness check on the family.

In this excerpt of an article linked above it said the neighborhood boy saw blood when the door came open when he came over after school and it was the Gee family that called 911.

"Harris said a neighborhood boy was the first to find the family dead. He had come from school Monday and knocked on the Gees' door. The door opened, Harris said, and the boy saw "a lot of blood" and quickly ran to alert family members. Nicole Gee and another relative arrived next on the scene and called police."

I don't think firearms were used. This is why the perpetrator probably was able to get away because he picked a weapon that doesn't make sound.

imo

[happygert]

Do you know any further on that? Argument with who or about what?
Who would know about the argument and what is was about?

Was going to pm you.. but cant so i will leave it at that for time being..

[JoAnn]

That is true. I hope she recovers quickly.

The poor little three year old boy that was beat unmercifully in the Georgia case still remains on life support and is still in critical condition and that happened on 8-29.

imo

So eerily similar to the trailer park massacre...right down to the 3 year old survivor, you have to wonder if reading about the trailer park killings if it did not plant a evil seed of thought into whoever did this.

[JoAnn]

Was going to pm you.. but cant so i will leave it at that for time being..

I am new on this board..so is there a setting I need to click on to receive messages?

[desmom]

Re the gunshot...thinking out loud...

Every article I have read said the family did not die from gunshot wounds. It does not mean there were not shots fired. It is possible someone was shot, but their gun shot injury was not life threatening nor did it lead to their death.

jmo

[happygert]

Re the gunshot...thinking out loud...

Every article I have read said the family did not die from gunshot wounds. It does not mean there were not shots fired. It is possible someone was shot, but their gun shot injury was not life threatening nor did it lead to their death.

jmo

that was my thoughts to desmom..

[desmom]

I am new on this board..so is there a setting I need to click on to receive messages?


Welcome to the Boards JoAnn. :seeya:

Up toward the top of the page on the left hand side click on "User CP".

In the new window on the left hand side under "Settings & Options", click on "Edit Options".

Under "Messaging & Notification" in the middle of the page, scroll down to "Private Messaging" and click on the box next to "Enable Private Messaging".

[KittyMom]

Re the gunshot...thinking out loud...

Every article I have read said the family did not die from gunshot wounds. It does not mean there were not shots fired. It is possible someone was shot, but their gun shot injury was not life threatening nor did it lead to their death.

jmo

Or it could mean that shots were fired into the walls, floor, etc but that that is not what the victims died from.

I'm getting so discouraged with society that we have so many families are being killed. :crying:

[JoAnn]

Welcome to the Boards JoAnn. :seeya:

Up toward the top of the page on the left hand side click on "User CP".

In the new window on the left hand side under "Settings & Options", click on "Edit Options".

Under "Messaging & Notification" in the middle of the page, scroll down to "Private Messaging" and click on the box next to "Enable Private Messaging".

thank you...I have it figured out now. I had been hanging at a another board but this seems to have much more current info available.
Thank you for the help.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/manhunt-for-killed-of-family-of-5-downstate.html

Rick Gee had a construction contracting business, while Ruth Gee was a stay-at-home mother, friends and family said. Justina, the second-oldest daughter, was a special-needs student who sang in the school choir.

Her friends covered her locker with pictures and notes Tuesday.

"It's hard knowing we're not going to see her anymore," said Samantha Russell, a friend of Justina's.

"Dillen was a real good boy," Hutchison said. "When a friend of mine moved into town last year, Dillen was one of the first to go over there and shake his hand and welcome him."

On Tuesday afternoon, a pastor tried to comfort about 70 people -- including about 30 children -- crowded into a small church in the area.

"Just think of this family as up in heaven having fun, doing the things that make them happy," the Rev. Dayle Badman said. "They don't want you to be burdened by fear; they don't want you to be burdened by pain."

Dillen's biological father, Gerald Miller, appeared devastated as he declined to comment outside his Lincoln home.

[Numbers]

I understand what you mean about the 3 YO, but I can remember very small children that have broken cases like this.

My prayers go out to the authorities, that had to process this grizzly scene, especially with the children that were involved.

I suppose the computer and phone records will be processed. Maybe that will lead to some clues.

I haven't found any of the teenagers on facebook or myspace.

It doesn't seem that one person could have done all of this, either - but, I never say never, anymore.

I believe Bobby Cutts's son told LE his mommy was wrapped in a rug, which led them to her killer. I do not believe he testified at trial (although I could be way wrong on this). But that child was not harmed. To relive any part of this would also bring back the terrible harm done. That should be mercifully forgotten.

[Numbers]

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=107961

Coronor: Beason Victims Did Not Die from Gun Shot Woun...


Who could've done this? For some reason this brings to mind the murder of Skyla Whitaker, 11, and Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13.

Interesting wording. Which brings up a horrible thought: would it be possible they were *incapacitated* by shots, later er,......... killed in another manner?

ETA: I see I'm driving the caboose on this train. Sorry for the repeat.

[desmom]

Autopsies Complete on Murdered Beason Family Members
http://www.wtax.com/Local-News/3248341?contentId=4743858
Logan County Bob Thomas wouldn't release the preliminary findings, saying he wanted to discuss them with the sheriff. He says the results will likely be released sometime Wednesday. Thomas says the last of the autopsies on members of the Gee family were completed late Tuesday.

[desmom]

FBI Behavioral Sciences helps case; tip line set up
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html
Nichols said the original 911 caller said the victims had been shot and may have assumed so, but autopsies have since proven otherwise.

[Numbers]

FBI Behavioral Sciences helps case; tip line set up
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html
Nichols said the original 911 caller said the victims had been shot and may have assumed so, but autopsies have since proven otherwise.

Thanks, desmom.

This news doesn't make it any less horrific, does it?:crying:

[Mel]

Thanks, desmom.

This news doesn't make it any less horrific, does it?:crying:

i'm wondering if a gun was used to keep the family still while they were being tied up...like with the Groene family up in Idaho...Joseph Duncan held a gun on the family & was able to tie them all up...then beat them to death...

[titanfan217]

Don't think I've seen this posted.


http://manager.ghm.zope.net/debug/il-springfield/breaking/x1073707715/Cops-looking-for-truck-in-Beason-murder-probe/#video

[airportwoman]

i'm wondering if a gun was used to keep the family still while they were being tied up...like with the Groene family up in Idaho...Joseph Duncan held a gun on the family & was able to tie them all up...then beat them to death...

BTK subdued a family of four in this manner, and that's also how Richard Speck was able to overcome nine women at once.

I'm also seeing no evidence that any family member is disabled and living in a care facility, but the statement that Justina was in special ed may have led to some confusion. Does anyone know the nature of her disability, and has she ever been in residential care or treatment?

[Amy]

From what I have heard about her injuries.. It will be a miracle if she survives..I know they are saying stable but really several different things that could mean. all that could mean is all her vitals are stable now..

That is the verbiage we use: The patient is stable. But, we also add--on a ventilator, if that is the case. Stable only because of the machines and medications used that would create a "stable" situation.

[IM4Truth]

Haven't been here for awhile but this case brought me back. Why? Because I used to live in Beason and I graduated from high school there. I am in disbelief to see my former little hometown in such a tragedy. I saw photos of my former church, inside and out on the internet.

Also mentioned upthread were the Schneider murders 33 years ago, my father was the hired farm hand for Lloyd Schneider. My mother and father lived in the Schneider home following the murders.

Jay & Robin Fry? I onced worked a Kroger with Jay. There are a couple of books written about their murder and the Schneiders are mentioned in one of them. Such awful tragedies for the small central Illinois farming communities.

I've been trying to keep up on the news through the internet checking out the Bloomington Pantagraph and Lincoln Courier as well as the Decatur Herald. I think many people have come and gone in the years since I lived there.

I would like to know more about this arguement that happened on Sunday. Who was involved in this?

[IM4Truth]

Don't think I've seen this posted.


http://manager.ghm.zope.net/debug/il-springfield/breaking/x1073707715/Cops-looking-for-truck-in-Beason-murder-probe/#video

From that link: "The truck’s occupant or occupants are believed to have some relation to the murders of five members of the Raymond “Rick” Gee family."

[IM4Truth]

BTK subdued a family of four in this manner, and that's also how Richard Speck was able to overcome nine women at once.

I'm also seeing no evidence that any family member is disabled and living in a care facility, but the statement that Justina was in special ed may have led to some confusion. Does anyone know the nature of her disability, and has she ever been in residential care or treatment?

I did read in one news report that there was a daugher with a severe brain injury that was in a home, I think it said in Peoria.

[IM4Truth]

I did read in one news report that there was a daugher with a severe brain injury that was in a home, I think it said in Peoria.

here is the link: http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_3cb4ca13-7ce1-58f4-ae5a-60e3f2ef60ec.html

Now can someone please tell me about the arguement on Sunday?

[desmom]

I have been thinking about this truck: http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1073707715/Cops-looking-for-truck-in-Beason-murder-probe “gray, primered” pickup truck that was seen in the small town of Beason just after midnight Monday. and Nichols described the pickup being sought as a Ford Ranger or Chevrolet S-10 with chrome exhaust pipes coming out of the bed of the truck.

There are hundreds of Rangers and S-10s on the road in central IL and lots of them are primer gray, but I do not recall seeing that many with stack exhausts.

If this truck is still in the area, I think it would stick out like a sore thumb.

[elf]

I am usually only a lurker but with this happening about 30 miles away from me I to must come out of lurkdom. I would also like to know about an argument. I agree this truck's stacks should stick out like a sore thumb I havent seen one around for several years, but the grey primer color is not so unusual around this area.

[desmom]

here is the link: http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_3cb4ca13-7ce1-58f4-ae5a-60e3f2ef60ec.html

Now can someone please tell me about the arguement on Sunday?

:shrug: I do not remember reading about an argument in any of the news links.

[IM4Truth]

I am usually only a lurker but with this happening about 30 miles away from me I to must come out of lurkdom. I would also like to know about an argument. I agree this truck's stacks should stick out like a sore thumb I havent seen one around for several years, but the grey primer color is not so unusual around this area.

Do people around there still leave doors unlocked at night? Lordy, I lived on a farm near Beason more than 45 years ago and we locked our doors at night! I'll admit we probably left our keys in the car sometimes during the daytime, but we were out on a farm too. I just can't believe that anyone anywhere now a days would leave a door unlocked at night.

[IM4Truth]

:shrug: I do not remember reading about an argument in any of the news links.

I wish happygert would come back and fill me in on that. I'm going to watch NG but will check back later. If you are there happygert, PM me, I'm interested.

[elf]

IM4TRUTH Yes we do still leave our doors unlocked at night and our keys in our cars sometimes. Heck I have been known to leave my keys in the door, on the outside. I know I know I will try to remember to lock the door, take the keys out of the door and the car, from now on.

[happygert]

Do people around there still leave doors unlocked at night? Lordy, I lived on a farm near Beason more than 45 years ago and we locked our doors at night! I'll admit we probably left our keys in the car sometimes during the daytime, but we were out on a farm too. I just can't believe that anyone anywhere now a days would leave a door unlocked at night.

Yes IM people in Beason and many small towns . still leave windows and doors unlocked and open.. keys in cars..

[happygert]

I wish happygert would come back and fill me in on that. I'm going to watch NG but will check back later. If you are there happygert, PM me, I'm interested.

No desmom you didnt read that in links anywhere.. That came from a neighbor..

Just talked to my mom.. Ruth's sister in law said they were probably going to have to cremate the family.. they are too mutilated for a viewing and the cost of burying 5 family members at once is astronomical and they have no life insurance.. The Church is taking donations for the family...

[happygert]

I am usually only a lurker but with this happening about 30 miles away from me I to must come out of lurkdom. I would also like to know about an argument. I agree this truck's stacks should stick out like a sore thumb I havent seen one around for several years, but the grey primer color is not so unusual around this area.

Elf where do you live? you can pm if you like.. I live about 40 miles from there now.. however used to live in Beason..

[happygert]

That is the verbiage we use: The patient is stable. But, we also add--on a ventilator, if that is the case. Stable only because of the machines and medications used that would create a "stable" situation.

Exactly!....They did not think she was even going to make it to the hospital.. emt's all most lost her several times before they met life flight..

[IM4Truth]

Yes IM people in Beason and many small towns . still leave windows and doors unlocked and open.. keys in cars..

This may sound stupid, but don't people realize that criminals from other areas seek out people like this? That is the way children are kidnapped right out of their beds and people are robbed and murdered. Then again if someone really is intent on killing they will find a way to get the job done regardless of a locked door. Better to deter them though than let them in. Logan County was in shock by the Schneider and Fry murders. Have people really forgotten them? Or are they just new people moving in that never heard about them?

[airportwoman]

This may sound stupid, but don't people realize that criminals from other areas seek out people like this? That is the way children are kidnapped right out of their beds and people are robbed and murdered. Then again if someone really is intent on killing they will find a way to get the job done regardless of a locked door. Better to deter them though than let them in. Logan County was in shock by the Schneider and Fry murders. Have people really forgotten them? Or are they just new people moving in that never heard about them?

IM4truth, could you post a link or two about those murders for those of us who don't know about them? Were they ever solved?

I once had a very evil boss who lived and worked in the Canton area, and when I got Internet access, one of the first things I did was look and see if there was any unusual number of unsolved murders or missing people in that region. :ohmy: There weren't, but still...........

[desmom]

Tension high in downstate town where family slain
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/autopsies-show-5-slain-family-members-not-shot.html#comments

Sheriff: Slain Ill. family members were not shot
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i74ajGcehuDSgqxeOKDYALoBze0QD9ATBBNO0
Nichols would not say when authorities believe the couple and three of their children were killed....

Jodie Duncan, the town's postmaster, said she saw the children every morning at her office, where they came to pick up the bus, until Monday, when they did not show up.

"I asked one of the kids, `Where are they? They said they're not here and they always beat us here," she said Wednesday.

Anyone know or remember reading if the children were in school Monday? TIA

[IM4Truth]

Tension high in downstate town where family slain
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/autopsies-show-5-slain-family-members-not-shot.html#comments

Sheriff: Slain Ill. family members were not shot
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i74ajGcehuDSgqxeOKDYALoBze0QD9ATBBNO0
Nichols would not say when authorities believe the couple and three of their children were killed....

Jodie Duncan, the town's postmaster, said she saw the children every morning at her office, where they came to pick up the bus, until Monday, when they did not show up.

"I asked one of the kids, `Where are they? They said they're not here and they always beat us here," she said Wednesday.

Anyone know or remember reading if the children were in school Monday? TIA

I read where they were not in school. I believe I read where 2 of the children had been to church in Lincoln on Sunday but they didn't show up at the bus stop on Monday. The reports of the truck being there around midnight sort of sounds like they met their fate late Sunday night.

[IM4Truth]

IM4truth, could you post a link or two about those murders for those of us who don't know about them? Were they ever solved?

I once had a very evil boss who lived and worked in the Canton area, and when I got Internet access, one of the first things I did was look and see if there was any unusual number of unsolved murders or missing people in that region. :ohmy: There weren't, but still...........

I don't know if I could still find any links to them or not. Michael Drabing murdered the Schneider family and I've lost track of which prison he is is. Russel Smrekar murdered the Fry family and he is also in prison. Ruth Martin is still missing in that case as is a young man from Lincoln Jr. College. Can't remember his name right now.

[desmom]

I read where they were not in school. I believe I read where 2 of the children had been to church in Lincoln on Sunday but they didn't show up at the bus stop on Monday. The reports of the truck being there around midnight sort of sounds like they met their fate late Sunday night.

Thanks. :seeya:

[IM4Truth]

IM4truth, could you post a link or two about those murders for those of us who don't know about them? Were they ever solved?

I once had a very evil boss who lived and worked in the Canton area, and when I got Internet access, one of the first things I did was look and see if there was any unusual number of unsolved murders or missing people in that region. :ohmy: There weren't, but still...........

Unfortunately, I did find this link on the Schneider murders and it is very accurate.

http://www.pjstar.com/archive/x1395049362/Slayings-bring-back-memories-of-1976-murder-case

[desmom]

I don't know if I could still find any links to them or not. Michael Drabing murdered the Schneider family and I've lost track of which prison he is is. Russel Smrekar murdered the Fry family and he is also in prison. Ruth Martin is still missing in that case as is a young man from Lincoln Jr. College. Can't remember his name right now.

Re: Smrekar: In 2006, LE excavated a site looking for the remains of Ms. Martin's body. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2006-04/msg04328.html

A couple of book links:

Process Of Elimination: A Midwestern Murder Mystery
http://www.flipkart.com/process-elimination-bonnie-thompson-midwestern/1418408441-cox3f49haf

A Force for Evil: Assassination in a Small Town
http://www.amazon.com/Force-Evil-Assassination-Small-Town/dp/1410766977

News article re Michael Drabing

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19760821&id=GccRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nO0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6992,1811626

photo of Drabing then and now http://www.pjstar.com/archive/x1395049362/Slayings-bring-back-memories-of-1976-murder-case

[desmom]

911 director: Adult found bodies of slain family
http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2009/09/23/40085967/index.xml

[IM4Truth]

Re: Smrekar: In 2006, LE excavated a site looking for the remains of Ms. Martin's body. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2006-04/msg04328.html

A couple of book links:

Process Of Elimination: A Midwestern Murder Mystery
http://www.flipkart.com/process-elimination-bonnie-thompson-midwestern/1418408441-cox3f49haf

A Force for Evil: Assassination in a Small Town
http://www.amazon.com/Force-Evil-Assassination-Small-Town/dp/1410766977

News article re Michael Drabing

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19760821&id=GccRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nO0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6992,1811626

photo of Drabing then and now http://www.pjstar.com/archive/x1395049362/Slayings-bring-back-memories-of-1976-murder-case

This is a bit off topic but still a bit within the bounds because it is all about deaths in Logan County Illinois, I have ready both of the books. The screenplay is actually more accurate though real names are not used. The book was written by a former detective but it appears he was trying to rely on memory to write it and though he makes it all appear factual, it is not. There are many discrepancies in it. I would recommend reading both of them.

[happygert]

This may sound stupid, but don't people realize that criminals from other areas seek out people like this? That is the way children are kidnapped right out of their beds and people are robbed and murdered. Then again if someone really is intent on killing they will find a way to get the job done regardless of a locked door. Better to deter them though than let them in. Logan County was in shock by the Schneider and Fry murders. Have people really forgotten them? Or are they just new people moving in that never heard about them?

Well some have and some are the younger generation who was either too young to remember or not born yet..

I agree I remember when we were kids we slept outside in tents or sleeping bags . parents left all the windows and doors opened at night.. and they never thought a thing about it..Heck i used to leave windows opened and sometimes the doors too.. I wont do that nowadays.. now even in daylight hours door are locked..

But IMO who ever murdered the Gee family knew them.. I dont think this was a random act..

[IM4Truth]

Well some have and some are the younger generation who was either too young to remember or not born yet..

I agree I remember when we were kids we slept outside in tents or sleeping bags . parents left all the windows and doors opened at night.. and they never thought a thing about it..Heck i used to leave windows opened and sometimes the doors too.. I wont do that nowadays.. now even in daylight hours door are locked..

But IMO who ever murdered the Gee family knew them.. I dont think this was a random act..

Now that we have determined through PM's that I am "much" older than you :sad: I can remember sleeping outdoors too and sleeping with windows open. I just can't believe in today's world that anyone would leave doors unlocked at night. In my area we don't even leave them unlocked during the day, you walk in and immediately lock the door behind you.

I agree, I do not believe it was a random act, I believe the family was targeted by someone who knew them or possibly knew of their extended family? (and maybe this was some sort of revenge on them?) Just a theory.

[happygert]

I don't know if I could still find any links to them or not. Michael Drabing murdered the Schneider family and I've lost track of which prison he is is. Russel Smrekar murdered the Fry family and he is also in prison. Ruth Martin is still missing in that case as is a young man from Lincoln Jr. College. Can't remember his name right now.

Drabing is in menard co. IIRC smrekar is in Stateville. I cant remember the other boy name either.. I cant realy find a lot of links.. think it was before they started using computers....I know Schneiders were murdered Aug 19th, 1976.. I think Robin and Jay right after that.. along with Mrs Martin and Smerkar's roommate.. never have found those two bodies I say he buried them under the new highway by Nicholson RD..

[IM4Truth]

Good night to all my central Illinois posting buddies! I think that LE already has a suspect in mind but nothing has been released on it yet. Just a hunch, hopefully tomorrow will bring us the news we all want to hear. I'm am many miles away now in FL but had a hard time sleeping last night after hearing about all of this. PLEASE no matter where you are or how safe you feel, everyone should lock doors at night!

[IM4Truth]

Drabing is in menard co. IIRC smrekar is in Stateville. I cant remember the other boy name either.. I cant realy find a lot of links.. think it was before they started using computers....I know Schneiders were murdered Aug 19th, 1976.. I think Robin and Jay right after that.. along with Mrs Martin and Smerkar's roommate.. never have found those two bodies I say he buried them under the new highway by Nicholson RD..

I must be way out of the loop because I thought Stateville was closed down. There were so many rumors about what happened to Ruth Martin and Mike Mansfield. We will never know for sure. I think Smrekar will take it to his death bed.

[happygert]

Now that we have determined through PM's that I am "much" older than you :sad: I can remember sleeping outdoors too and sleeping with windows open. I just can't believe in today's world that anyone would leave doors unlocked at night. In my area we don't even leave them unlocked during the day, you walk in and immediately lock the door behind you.

I agree, I do not believe it was a random act, I believe the family was targeted by someone who knew them or possibly knew of their extended family? (and maybe this was some sort of revenge on them?) Just a theory.

LOL you not that much older.. maybe 7 years..lol..

No not in this world.. our kids never experienced what we did as youngsters.. I do the same here.. pretty sad you cant even open up the windows and doors to let fresh air in.. or let kids and grandkids play like we did..


Heck nowadays you dont even know who's your friend or enemy.. I still think who ever murdered this family they probably let them in their house..

[happygert]

I must be way out of the loop because I thought Stateville was closed down. There were so many rumors about what happened to Ruth Martin and Mike Mansfield. We will never know for sure. I think Smrekar will take it to his death bed.

Heck maybe I'm out of the Loop it could be by now..But I thought that's where he was sent in the begining..

[desmom]

This may sound stupid, but don't people realize that criminals from other areas seek out people like this? That is the way children are kidnapped right out of their beds and people are robbed and murdered. Then again if someone really is intent on killing they will find a way to get the job done regardless of a locked door. Better to deter them though than let them in. Logan County was in shock by the Schneider and Fry murders. Have people really forgotten them? Or are they just new people moving in that never heard about them?

That happened back in the 70s. I bet people locked their doors and did not leave their keys in the car after the murders, but gradually things returned to they way they were.

When I lst moved to our little village 27 years ago, it used to drive DH nuts I would lock the screen door if I was home alone. I couldn't lock the wood exterior doors because they didn't have locks and neither did any of the windows. We do have locks on the doors and windows now, but most times you will find our doors are unlocked and the keys are in the cars.

I don't think people want to live in a paranoid state of what may happen or could happen. Maybe small town people are too trustworthy or we let our guard down and we don't see the evil that might be or could be nearby.

I don't feel like this was a stranger that came to town and just happened to pick out this family. From the news articles, it sound like it was very brutal...Anger? Rage? And why the kids if they were strangers? No reports of the neighbors hearing anything. That would be awful risky being a stranger in a town as small as Beason with plans on murdering the family. I think it was personal, but at this point is all speculation. It could be another Michael Drabing type situation.

jmo

[desmom]

I must be way out of the loop because I thought Stateville was closed down. There were so many rumors about what happened to Ruth Martin and Mike Mansfield. We will never know for sure. I think Smrekar will take it to his death bed.

In Joliet? It is still open.

[AmndaRcknwth]

For those recently joining the thread, pics saved:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/


I am curious about the son of Rick Gees, brother to Nicole Gees.
All I have read so far is that he is the father of an 18 mo old.
Where is he now?
Does he also live in the area?

[happygert]

In Joliet? It is still open.

Yes Joilet is still open.. gov bag. was shuting it down when quinn got in he kept it open. but has started layoffs in the prisons.

[happygert]

For those recently joining the thread, pics saved:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Gee%20-%20Constant%20Murders/


I am curious about the son of Rick Gees, brother to Nicole Gees.
All I have read so far is that he is the father of an 18 mo old.
Where is he now?
Does he also live in the area?

Yes Lonnie lives here..hes 21 and I dont know where he is right now.. Mom didnt ask..

[desmom]

http://www.pjstar.com/news_state/x576518509/Coroner-says-autopsies-on-slain-family-completed
"It doesn't matter if the back door was open or not because their dog was very protective of their family," said Stormee Whitney, a 17-year-old friend of Justina Constant.

Where's the dog?

[desmom]

State police's human services unit helps cops deal with horrific crime scenes
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_74be4db6-a8ae-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

Volunteers arrive to help with police search in Beason killings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_9d0534e4-a8ac-11de-8e9f-001cc4c002e0.html

[happygert]

http://www.pjstar.com/news_state/x576518509/Coroner-says-autopsies-on-slain-family-completed
"It doesn't matter if the back door was open or not because their dog was very protective of their family," said Stormee Whitney, a 17-year-old friend of Justina Constant.

Where's the dog?

I dont know. there was a small dog on a leash in one of the earlier pictures.. but If it was someone that knew the family the dog may not have done anything.. no one is saying anything about the dog.. they may have took the dog .. or let it loose..

[desmom]

I dont know. there was a small dog on a leash in one of the earlier pictures.. but If it was someone that knew the family the dog may not have done anything.. no one is saying anything about the dog.. they may have took the dog .. or let it loose..

their dog was very protective of their family

I don't think the dog would stand by and watch the family being murdered especially the children. They would have to let the dog out of the house or the dog is also a victim. jmo

[happygert]

their dog was very protective of their family

I don't think the dog would stand by and watch the family being murdered especially the children. They would have to let the dog out of the house or the dog is also a victim. jmo

Youre right desmom.. Thats why I thought maybe they let him out.. no one is saying anything about the dog.. I'll try to find out tomorrow.. too late now.....

[desmom]

WICS (Spfld, IL TV news) reporting the command center and support search teams will be pulling out tomorrow.

LE will still have a heavy presence in town.

No link yet.

jmo

ETA ~ oops here ya go: http://www.wics.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wics_vid_596.shtml
Look for: "Beason Gets Back to "Normal"

Night All!

:rose:

[happygert]

WICS (Spfld, IL TV news) reporting the command center and support search teams will be pulling out tomorrow.

LE will still have a heavy presence in town.

No link yet.

jmo

ETA ~ oops here ya go: http://www.wics.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wics_vid_596.shtml
Look for: "Beason Gets Back to "Normal"

Night All!

:rose:

ARe they still relocating to Lincoln? Thats where they said they were going to go..nite desmom seeya tomorrow..

[desmom]

Tip line set up as police search for pickup truck
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Article includes a pic of a garage door with a black bow and "In Our Hearts Justina Dillen Austin" on the door near Chester-East Lincoln School.

[IM4Truth]

Tip line set up as police search for pickup truck
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Article includes a pic of a garage door with a black bow and "In Our Hearts Justina Dillen Austin" on the door near Chester-East Lincoln School.

Wasn't there supposed to be another news conference at 7:30 this morning?

[desmom]

Wasn't there supposed to be another news conference at 7:30 this morning?

Hmm, not sure.

Here are the news sites I am checking for updates:

Lincoln:
newspaper: http://www.lincolncourier.com/

Springfield:
newspaper - http://www.sj-r.com/
TV - http://www.wics.com/

Decatur:
newspaper - http://www.herald-review.com/
TV - http://www.wandtv.com/

Bloomington:
newspaper - http://www.pantagraph.com/
TV - http://www.centralillinoisnewscenter.com/

Peoria:
newspaper - http://www.pjstar.com/
TV - http://centralillinoisproud.com/

[happyalice]

At yesterday's PC the sheriff said the next PC will be at 4pm today (CDT).

[titanfan217]

At yesterday's PC the sheriff said the next PC will be at 4pm today (CDT).

That's what I understood also.

I'll be gone with family school commitments, but hopefully the SJR link will provide it -- probably others too.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.pjstar.com/news_state/x576518509/Coroner-says-autopsies-on-slain-family-completed
"It doesn't matter if the back door was open or not because their dog was very protective of their family," said Stormee Whitney, a 17-year-old friend of Justina Constant.

Where's the dog?

This makes me think the dog was familiar with the murderer.

imo

[happyalice]

Sources say Police are looking for a sharp-edged tool and/or a cylindrical object

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

[GentleBreeze]

Sources say Police are looking for a sharp-edged tool and/or a cylindrical object

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Just as I thought. These poor people were bludgeoned to death imo.:crying: What a monster this person has to be. I have always thought bludgeoning a victim to death is the most horrific way to die. It is up close and so brutal. May be some kind of pry bar or tire tool.

I think whomever this is knew the Gees did not lock their doors and when they were sleeping he crept back into that house to murder them all.

IMO

[desmom]

Just as I thought. These poor people were bludgeoned to death imo.:crying: What a monster this person has to be. I have always thought bludgeoning a victim to death is the most horrific way to die. It is up close and so brutal. May be some kind of pry bar or tire tool.

I think whomever this is knew the Gees did not lock their doors and when they were sleeping he crept back into that house to murder them all.

IMO

I agree GentleBreeze.

I was thinking pry bar, tire iron, iron pipe, ball bat..

Iron pipe first came to mind. It was reported Mr. Gee owned a construction company. There are a lot of old houses around here that still have cast iron water pipes. People gradually are replacing them and there may have been some old pipe laying around from a remodel or update job.

[GentleBreeze]

I agree GentleBreeze.

I was thinking pry bar, tire iron, iron pipe, ball bat..

So horrible, isn't it?

It has to be a cylindrical shape with sharp edges around the cylindrical object. Some will have rounded smooth shapes but there are some that are more squared and have these sharp edges. I know my crowbar is smooth all the way around but my pry bars have these sharp edges on it.

Remember in the Michael Peterson case where they also had the same type of wounds found when MP killed Kathleen? The fire poker wasn't a smooth cylindrical shape but had ridges were it would leave such type wounds.

imo

[KittyMom]

Wow. I was really hoping that there would be an arrest by now.

Did the adult daughter that is in protective custody have a husband/boyfriend? Where is he?

[GentleBreeze]

Wow. I was really hoping that there would be an arrest by now.

Did the adult daughter that is in protective custody have a husband/boyfriend? Where is he?

Kitty the police have come out and said that is a rumor. That none of the rest of the family is in protective custody.

They do have an officer posted at the hospital where the little girl is but that is usually customary.

imo

[IM4Truth]

Sources say Police are looking for a sharp-edged tool and/or a cylindrical object

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

I didn't see anything in that link about a weapon?

[desmom]

I didn't see anything in that link about a weapon?

There are several articles about the Gees on that site..try this one:

Sources: Police searching for sharp-edged tool, cylindrical object
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8d2d9d84-a917-11de-8ea0-001cc4c03286.html

[KittyMom]

http://www.wgil.com/localnews.php?xnewsaction=fullnews&newsarch=092009&newsid=492

Friends Remember Slain Central IL Family

Marjorie Wright laughed as she remembered sharing fresh zucchini rings with her friend Ruth, with little Tabitha shoving the rings into her pocket because she did not care for them.

Wright's daughter, 17-year-old Stormee Whitney, says Justina was a "true friend" who was ridiculed at Lincoln Community High School because of her special needs. Whitney says Justina had had plastic surgery on her skull because of a birth defect.

[IM4Truth]

Has there been any word on the boyfriend of Justina? Or perhaps one of the parents had been having an affair? This is a crime of violent rage. Someone was very passionate about killing this family. My instincts do not connect it to drugs. Did anyone ever find out who the father of the two older children is?

[Justwonderin]

Heck maybe I'm out of the Loop it could be by now..But I thought that's where he was sent in the begining..

Statesville is closed down and has been closed for several years. It is open now for the Halloween season for $25.00 you can go through it.

[desmom]

Has there been any word on the boyfriend of Justina? Or perhaps one of the parents had been having an affair? This is a crime of violent rage. Someone was very passionate about killing this family. My instincts do not connect it to drugs. Did anyone ever find out who the father of the two older children is?

Older children as in the adult children? I believe those were Mr. Gee's children from a previous marriage.

14 year old Dillen Constant's father is Gerald Miller of Lincoln per http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/manhunt-for-killed-of-family-of-5-downstate.html

[GentleBreeze]

Has there been any word on the boyfriend of Justina? Or perhaps one of the parents had been having an affair? This is a crime of violent rage. Someone was very passionate about killing this family. My instincts do not connect it to drugs. Did anyone ever find out who the father of the two older children is?

I don't know if they both had the same bio father but this was in one of the articles yesterday.

"Dillen's biological father, Gerald Miller, appeared devastated as he declined to comment outside his Lincoln home."
__________________

No not a word about Justina's boyfriend and the truck reminds me of what a teenager would drive and is trying to fix it up.

Not a hint of any affair. The entire family unit were known as very close.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Older children as in the adult children? I believe those were Mr. Gee's children from a previous marriage.

14 year old Dillen Constant's father is Gerald Miller of Lincoln per http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/manhunt-for-killed-of-family-of-5-downstate.html

Ruth must not have been married when she had Justina and Dillen because their last names are the same as Ruth's maiden name.

imo

[desmom]

Statesville is closed down and has been closed for several years. It is open now for the Halloween season for $25.00 you can go through it.

Welcome to the Boards Justwonderin. Are you thinking of the Statesville Haunted House near Lockport? http://www.statesville.org/faq.php#2

Stateville Correctional Center in Joliet is still operating as a prison. Blago tried to close it last year, but it didn't happen.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1764646,4_1_JO11_STATEVILLE_S1-090911.article

[happygert]

Statesville is closed down and has been closed for several years. It is open now for the Halloween season for $25.00 you can go through it.

Thanks.....but dont think I'll be taking the tour.....lol

[sinagua]

As the above poster stated, Statesville is not closed. You cannot tour it for Halloween.:scared:

IDOC has a website, where you can put in an inmate's name and if they are still in the system, you can see their picture.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2ae0c5b6-a949-11de-85a1-001cc4c03286.html

Stepfather: Discovery of bodies 'burned in the back of my eyeballs'

LINCOLN -- The stepfather of Rick Gee said Thursday that he is the one who found the family's bodies Monday afternoon. "It is burned in the back of my eyeballs," he told The Pantagraph.

"I am the one who found them," William "Pudge" Koehler said Thursday at his Lincoln home. He declined further comment and said he was just getting his first real sleep since the slayings.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e0ac272a-a942-11de-b93f-001cc4c03286.html

Slayings leave behind young survivor, disabled sister

In the days since, she's fielded calls from many people asking how they could help Gee's surviving family, which includes a 3-year-old survivor of the attack and an additional daughter who resides in an assisted-living facility in Peoria.

Rick and Ruth got married 12 or 13 years ago, Coombs said. Ruth and her two children, Justina and Dillen Constant, moved into Rick's Beason home.

"Rick was just the type of person to take anybody's kids in and love them and give them a home," she told The Pantagraph Thursday.

The couple quickly had Jessica Lynn, then Austin and -- eight years later -- Tabitha, she said. Rick's adult daughter, from a previous relationship, also lives in Beason and has two children of her own.

[Justwonderin]

Stateville prison is closed, Stateville Correctional Center is open and houses inmated. The older prison you can tour through at Halloween. Sorry for the confusion.

[desmom]

http://www.wandtv.com/ will carry this afternoon's presser live. (Click on the "17 Watch the Noon and 6pm news live!" banner)

[desmom]

Sheriff Nichols speaking. At the podium is a member of the State Attorney's office.

Sheriff will not provide or discuss any information that will jeopardize the case. A Task force comprised of the Lincoln LE, State LE, FBI, Logan County State Attorney's office Logan County LE.

Cause of death is "blunt forced trauma". LE will not ID the instrument of death.

WAND-TV lost their sound.

Sound back...giving tip line phone number. They have received over 100 calls.

Sheriff will not discuss any other type of injury inflicted or if more than one or more suspects were involved.

A time line of events has been and is being investigated and no he will not share the info.

The 3 year old is still in critical condition, but she is stable. They do expect her to recover.

Sheriff will not tell the media the time of death because it is still part of the investigation. He will not release any information until he knows it is fact.

Anyone caught crossing the crime scene tape will be arrested.

LE has stopped some vehicles, but they were not a match to the vehicle they are looking for.

Reporter asking if the death in Mason City is connected to the deaths in Beason. Sheriff said he is not real familiar with the death in Mason City, but he feels he can say the Beason murders are not connected to the Mason City murder.

Reporter asking if the family has had any past contact with Logan County LE or DCFS. Sheriff said they have the information and it is part of the investigation.

Sheriff is still telling people to keep an eye out, keep your doors locked and know where your children are. Everyone needs to take the same precautions they normally would.

Tomorrow's presser will be a noon.

All of the above is my transcript of the presser and jmo.

[Justwonderin]

Not a very informative press conference. I think a few more details would be nice so that anyone in the area can be on the look out for the perps. Just my thoughts.

[desmom]

I read where they were not in school. I believe I read where 2 of the children had been to church in Lincoln on Sunday but they didn't show up at the bus stop on Monday. The reports of the truck being there around midnight sort of sounds like they met their fate late Sunday night.

You remember well. While reading a news article, I ran across:

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html
The children and Rick Gee reportedly were last seen Sunday night, and the children were absent from school Monday.

[desmom]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8d2d9d84-a917-11de-8ea0-001cc4c03286.html has been updated with info re the presser.

[IM4Truth]

Not a very informative press conference. I think a few more details would be nice so that anyone in the area can be on the look out for the perps. Just my thoughts.

My thoughts too, I suppose they need to keep some things close to the vest but if they have a suspect in mind, they should publish it. Though they might fear this person would kill himself before they could get any information from him. On the other hand they have given a description of the truck so the killer would know they are on to him. I'm sure the little town of Beason is a buzzin' with rumors. I would like to know what the rumors are, true or not, there could be some basis to them.

[desmom]

Still searching for answers
http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1699597268/Still-searching-for-answers
Bright orange flags are scattered on the edges of soybean fields along Illinois Route 10 and its side roads....

"Right now we’re searching for an object, not an individual," Geddert said.

[IM4Truth]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8d2d9d84-a917-11de-8ea0-001cc4c03286.html has been updated with info re the presser.

No police in the area, Sheriff telling residents to lock up and be cautious, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night there! They have never said "who" saw that truck Sunday night either, was it possibly a next door neighbor? Was the truck at the house or just cruisin' around town?

[IM4Truth]

Still searching for answers
http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1699597268/Still-searching-for-answers
Bright orange flags are scattered on the edges of soybean fields along Illinois Route 10 and its side roads....

"Right now we’re searching for an object, not an individual," Geddert said.

From the link noted above: "Geddert said teams will spend about four hours at a time searching one area at a time and may cover the entire area between Beason and Chestnut."

Does this mean they think the truck headed out of town South on the Beason-Chestnut blacktop? Why would they say that area and not the area say between Beason and Hallsville? Interesting.

[desmom]

Tip line flooded, but no arrests in Beason killings
http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1789527572/Tip-line-flooded-but-no-arrests-in-Beason-killings

[desmom]

No police in the area, Sheriff telling residents to lock up and be cautious, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night there! They have never said "who" saw that truck Sunday night either, was it possibly a next door neighbor? Was the truck at the house or just cruisin' around town?

The town I live in has a population of 1,200. By 11:00 p.m. Sunday, traffic is practically nil with the exception of a few 2nd shift people going to or returning from work. People out and about on the streets are pretty slim also. You might see the late night dog walker or a neighbor on the porch for a late night smoke. I would think the Beason area would be pretty similar.

An unfamiliar vehicle would be noticed especially that late at night.

I checked the wunderground's weather up in the Lincoln area. Sunday night it was overcast, humid, temps in mid 60s.

jmo

[desmom]

From the link noted above: "Geddert said teams will spend about four hours at a time searching one area at a time and may cover the entire area between Beason and Chestnut."

Does this mean they think the truck headed out of town South on the Beason-Chestnut blacktop? Why would they say that area and not the area say between Beason and Hallsville? Interesting.


It looks like the fields on Rte. 10 have already been walked. From the same link:

Bright orange flags are scattered on the edges of soybean fields along Illinois Route 10 and its side roads.

[happygert]

The town I live in has a population of 1,200. By 11:00 p.m. Sunday, traffic is practically nil with the exception of a few 2nd shift people going to or returning from work. People out and about on the streets are pretty slim also. You might see the late night dog walker or a neighbor on the porch for a late night smoke. I would think the Beason area would be pretty similar.

An unfamiliar vehicle would be noticed especially that late at night.

I checked the wunderground's weather up in the Lincoln area. Sunday night it was overcast, humid, temps in mid 60s.

jmo

Very similar.. as we used to say streets roll up around 10 pm.. very Quiet town other then moving cars up and down the road..RT 10 The Gees house is first house on the right when coming into town from Lincoln

[desmom]

Very similar.. as we used to say streets roll up around 10 pm.. very Quiet town other then moving cars up and down the road..RT 10 The Gees house is first house on the right when coming into town from Lincoln

On google maps it looks like there are farm fields between Rte 10 and Beason. Not far, maybe a 1/4 of a mile?

Is their house next to this farm field? TIA

[GentleBreeze]

Thank you so much for giving us a recap of the PC, desmon.

I have a feeling they know who their suspect is and is waiting for the evidence they need to come in.

From your recap:

Reporter asking if the death in Mason City is connected to the deaths in Beason. Sheriff said he is not real familiar with the death in Mason City, but he feels he can say the Beason murders are not connected to the Mason City murder.

imo

[IM4Truth]

Very similar.. as we used to say streets roll up around 10 pm.. very Quiet town other then moving cars up and down the road..RT 10 The Gees house is first house on the right when coming into town from Lincoln

Do you know when the house was built? It doesn't look familiar to me and I don't remember any homes being out there until you got up into "town". I really can't remember any homes north of the old Weston Farm Equipment building.

[IM4Truth]

On google maps it looks like there are farm fields between Rte 10 and Beason. Not far, maybe a 1/4 of a mile?

Is their house next to this farm field? TIA

Yes, it is just a short distance once you turn south off of Rte 10 that is all farm land. I'm thinking that house may not have been there when I lived in the area. I left in 1968. But it appears to be a soybean field next to it.

[desmom]

Thank you so much for giving us a recap of the PC, desmon.

I have a feeling they know who their suspect is and is waiting for the evidence they need to come in.

From your recap:

Reporter asking if the death in Mason City is connected to the deaths in Beason. Sheriff said he is not real familiar with the death in Mason City, but he feels he can say the Beason murders are not connected to the Mason City murder.

imo

Your welcome. I try to get as much as I can. I could actually hear the reporters questions in this presser.

I agree with your theory on a suspect. LE is being tight lipped about pretty much everything and a deputy standing guard at the hospital as reported by http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Why would LE put a guard on the baby's room if it was a stranger? I do not see her giving LE a detailed description of the killer or being able to give enough details for a sketch artist. If she is awake or when she wakes, I do think she could say *insert name here* hurt me.

jmo

[desmom]

Yes, it is just a short distance once you turn south off of Rte 10 that is all farm land. I'm thinking that house may not have been there when I lived in the area. I left in 1968. But it appears to be a soybean field next to it.

Thanks.

It could be a remodel. A lot of people are buying up the old mining houses around here and doing total remodels. The end results look nothing like the original house.

[KittyMom]

I keep checking for an arrest. I hope the baby is mending. I worry about the child in the assisted-living home. She may be capable of understanding what she hears on tv or reads in the news. :sad:

[KittyMom]

http://www.livinglakecountry.com/blogs/communityblogs/61286262.html

The Innocence of a Small Town Lost

[JoAnn]

Your welcome. I try to get as much as I can. I could actually hear the reporters questions in this presser.

I agree with your theory on a suspect. LE is being tight lipped about pretty much everything and a deputy standing guard at the hospital as reported by http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_316106c8-a825-11de-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Why would LE put a guard on the baby's room if it was a stranger? I do not see her giving LE a detailed description of the killer or being able to give enough details for a sketch artist. If she is awake or when she wakes, I do think she could say *insert name here* hurt me.

jmo

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hmmm....There could be a couple of reasons (a guard is put on a room) that come to mind...first of all it would be a bit careless of them to NOT put a deputy on guard since most of her family were murdered...but also the guard is probably there to make sure that reporters and others that may mean well but dont belong there ...are not allowed into the room or come in contact with her. So whether the suspect(s) is a stranger, neighbor, family, or someone known to them...the best and only move that LE could do...was put a guard on the child.

I do suspect that they have something going on and have a idea of who did it, based on the LE statement that they were pretty sure it was not connected to some other murder or incident in another town...sorry I am not local so I wasnt to sure what they were referring to..but LE said just enough and the way it was said, sort of implied to me, that the KNEW it couldn't be connected because they knew who did it, or have a suspect and motive in mind...but to slightly contradict that , I think I read they are still telling people to lock up their houses etc.

[GentleBreeze]

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hmmm....There could be a couple of reasons (a guard is put on a room) that come to mind...first of all it would be a bit careless of them to NOT put a deputy on guard since most of her family were murdered...but also the guard is probably there to make sure that reporters and others that may mean well but don't belong there ...are not allowed into the room or come in contact with her. So whether the suspect(s) is a stranger, neighbor, family, or someone known to them...the best and only move that LE could do...was put a guard on the child.

I do suspect that they have something going on and have a idea of who did it, based on the LE statement that they were pretty sure it was not connected to some other murder or incident in another town...sorry I am not local so I wasn't to sure what they were referring to..but LE said just enough and the way it was said, sort of implied to me, that the KNEW it couldn't be connected because they knew who did it, or have a suspect and motive in mind...but to slightly contradict that , I think I read they are still telling people to lock up their houses etc.

I agree JoAnn. I think they have a suspect in their sights. They just need to get the link .....maybe back from the lab tying them to the crime.

Well no matter who this is whether a family member or stranger they are desperate and have nothing to lose when they have already murdered 5 people and tried to kill a 3 year old child.

LE may think this person may try to hide or invade someone's home to avoid capture.

LE advised the same thing in their community in Brunswick Georgia when they discovered the 8 victims murdered inside of their home. They never changed it either and then they arrested the defendant about a week later. The Ga. PC said they had received two vital pieces of evidence the day of the arrest that caused them to arrest Heinz Jr. and I think that is what they are waiting for in this case.

imo

[happygert]

Do you know when the house was built? It doesn't look familiar to me and I don't remember any homes being out there until you got up into "town". I really can't remember any homes north of the old Weston Farm Equipment building.

No I dont..sorry..

[happygert]

Yes, it is just a short distance once you turn south off of Rte 10 that is all farm land. I'm thinking that house may not have been there when I lived in the area. I left in 1968. But it appears to be a soybean field next to it.

Yes bean field Ricks house, house next to them to the south. .. across the street cows and pasture n middle of block a house..dont think it was..remember fields there....lol..

[desmom]

I did a check of local news sites and did not see anything new on the investigation.

:rose: Praying today is the day LE gets the break they need.

[GentleBreeze]

Informed public can aid police in Beason slayings

http://www.pjstar.com/opinions/x1800826144/Our-View-Informed-public-can-aid-police-in-Beason-slayings

I know that this crime is horrible even in a big city, and it must have overwhelmed local LE. However, I think they could have erred on the side of caution and viewed it as murders until they could rule out murder-suicide. LE could have immediately warned the public and asked around about unusual people or happenings. By not assuming the worse, LE may have lost important details that tend to slip out people's minds as seemingly unimportant.

Perhaps local LE should let the state or county LE handle such a crime scene (and maybe they'd be better trained and experienced to do it), and the local LE could have spent their time and effort informing the public and interviewing neighbors and other potential witnesses.

From what I have read they did wait until they had ruled out murder/suicide and that is why they waited to release the information on Tuesday morning than Monday when the bodies were discovered.

Ruling out murder/suicide is rather easy for LE to do. I highly doubt someone would commit suicide by bludgeoning themselves to death and if possible, which I doubt, then the object used would still be in the home and it seems that it is not.

No local LE lets go of the lead investigation. It is their jurisdiction and all other agencies are only called into assist in the investigation. All cases are done this way not just this one.

I think the local police department and other involved agencies has their sights on a suspect and are awaiting lab results.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Thanks.

It could be a remodel. A lot of people are buying up the old mining houses around here and doing total remodels. The end results look nothing like the original house.

I believe I read that Mr. Gee had lived there for 20 or 25 years. I noticed it looked like it had new vinyl siding on the home so it may have been remodeled in the last few years.

From what I could tell from the photos they kept the place very neat.

imo

[KittyMom]

http://www.pjstar.com/news_police/x1800826348/No-suspects-in-Mason-City-death

No suspects in Mason City death
Police aren't ruling out a connection with slaying of family in Beason

Youell said an investigator with the Sheriff's Department is working on a limited basis in Beason with other law enforcement agencies, which include the FBI and Illinois State Police.

"We're not ruling anything out," he said of any possible connection between Englebrecht's death and the killing of the family. "We're looking at all the leads. We're looking at all possibilities."


I wonder if Englebrecht and Gee knew each other?

[sinagua]

I haven't been able to find a sketch of the truck. Does anyone have that?
I have owned a Chevy S10, so I know what that is, but there is single cab and crew cab. And I am not sure that others know what primer gray paint is. That truck model is no longer made.

Perhaps, the truck has had it's finish coat, put on it, by now. (And the tail pipes removed.)

I can remember crimes that were just committed, because someone wanted to rape the women. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19957752/

I don't think that anything can be excluded, yet.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.pjstar.com/news_police/x1800826348/No-suspects-in-Mason-City-death

No suspects in Mason City death
Police aren't ruling out a connection with slaying of family in Beason



I wonder if Englebrecht and Gee knew each other?

But then you have the Sheriff of Beason saying this in his PC yesteday.

"Reporter asking if the death in Mason City is connected to the deaths in Beason. Sheriff said he is not real familiar with the death in Mason City, but he feels he can say the Beason murders are not connected to the Mason City murder."

imo

[happyalice]

I too, wish they would come out with a sketch. From what he said today, the pipes come out between the wheel wells and the tailgate. I don't think I've ever seen a truck like that before. However, Springfield is having a Route 66 car show this weekend, maybe there'll be one similar to this.

[desmom]

I haven't been able to find a sketch of the truck. Does anyone have that?
I have owned a Chevy S10, so I know what that is, but there is single cab and crew cab. And I am not sure that others know what primer gray paint is. That truck model is no longer made.

Perhaps, the truck has had it's finish coat, put on it, by now. (And the tail pipes removed.)

I can remember crimes that were just committed, because someone wanted to rape the women. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19957752/

I don't think that anything can be excluded, yet.


Per http://www.lincolncourier.com/newsnow/x1128382233/Sheriff-details-sought-after-gray-truck
The truck is gray/silver primer color, possibly a Ford Ranger or Chevrolet S-10, with vertical exhaust pipes located rearward of the rear tires and between the tailgate.

“This information is very unusual to have the exhaust pipes that far back in the bed,” said Nichols.

In central IL there are a lot of S10s and Rangers running around with primer gray paint or primer black paint.

The exhaust system is what is going to make it stand out. I think that truck has been parked in someone's garage, barn or shed until they can change the exhaust system and get it painted.

jmo

ETA ~ Are they sure it was a S10 or Ranger? Several other mfgs have small pickups also.

[desmom]

Funeral services set for slain family
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_79abf9de-aa04-11de-9681-001cc4c03286.html

Funeral arrangements are set for Rick and Ruth Gee and their three children, according to obituary information sent to The Pantagraph on Friday.

Visitation will be held from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. Monday at the Family Life Center, 114 N. Lafayette St., Mount Pulaski.

Funeral services will then be held at 2 p.m. at the Family Life Center, with interment to follow at Leanna Cemetery in rural Chestnut.

Fricke-Calvert-Schrader Funeral Home said it's handling the family's funeral arrangements.

[AmndaRcknwth]

iirc Scienter, I have read them called "stack pipes" and "like a semi".
I just took that to mean vertical. I agree that is unusual, not many people would do that.

[IM4Truth]

Today's video presser

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e61c11fa-a9f8-11de-b179-001cc4c03286.html?mode=video

[IM4Truth]

Today's video presser

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_e61c11fa-a9f8-11de-b179-001cc4c03286.html?mode=video

What the heck? A reporter asked the Sheriff if he was considering filing a defammation of character lawsuit against Nancy Grace! I haven't even heard anything yet on NG, has anyone else? And what about the question they asked about speaking to someone in custody?

[JoAnn]

I don't know if this has already been posted, nor do I know if it is accurate..but I read that the weapon used was an ice pick.

Don't know about you, but I dont have ice pick in my house, making me think if it is true, that the killer brought it with him with the intent to kill and maim.

[titanfan217]

Per http://www.lincolncourier.com/newsnow/x1128382233/Sheriff-details-sought-after-gray-truck
The truck is gray/silver primer color, possibly a Ford Ranger or Chevrolet S-10, with vertical exhaust pipes located rearward of the rear tires and between the tailgate.

“This information is very unusual to have the exhaust pipes that far back in the bed,” said Nichols.

In central IL there are a lot of S10s and Rangers running around with primer gray paint or primer black paint.

The exhaust system is what is going to make it stand out. I think that truck has been parked in someone's garage, barn or shed until they can change the exhaust system and get it painted.

jmo

ETA ~ Are they sure it was a S10 or Ranger? Several other mfgs have small pickups also.

Depending upon the age, GMC has a Sonoma that is very much like a S10. Mine is Titan blue...

[IM4Truth]

I don't know if this has already been posted, nor do I know if it is accurate..but I read that the weapon used was an ice pick.

Don't know about you, but I dont have ice pick in my house, making me think if it is true, that the killer brought it with him with the intent to kill and maim.

Where did you read this?

[IM4Truth]

iirc Scienter, I have read them called "stack pipes" and "like a semi".
I just took that to mean vertical. I agree that is unusual, not many people would do that.

The video presser today confirmed the pipes are vertical located behind the wheel well and the tailgate.

[GentleBreeze]

I don't know if this has already been posted, nor do I know if it is accurate..but I read that the weapon used was an ice pick.

Don't know about you, but I don't have ice pick in my house, making me think if it is true, that the killer brought it with him with the intent to kill and maim.

Where did you hear this JoAnn.

I have two ice picks.

I am not sure it is an ice pick though because that wouldn't leave blunt force trauma but would be used as a weapon to stab.

They are saying they are looking for a cylindrical object with sharp edges.

imo

[R~O~S]

I don't know if this has already been posted, nor do I know if it is accurate..but I read that the weapon used was an ice pick.

Don't know about you, but I dont have ice pick in my house, making me think if it is true, that the killer brought it with him with the intent to kill and maim.

I'm only watching this case sporadically, please forgive me if I should already know this:

Do they have the murder weapon?

or are they speculating a weapon similar to an ice pick, which could mean a nail set, which would be far more common in any house especially if the owner does woodworking or carpentry?

[IM4Truth]

I'm only watching this case sporadically, please forgive me if I should already know this:

Do they have the murder weapon?



Respectfully snipped to avoid continuing with a rumor. I neglected to snip my first response to the poster upthread as I was eager to read a link.

I am watching the local newspapers up there very closely and nothing has been released about the weapon other than previously reported as being cylindrical shaped with sharp edges.

[IM4Truth]

Snipped by me

I also wish that LE would release a very basic "Kindergartener's" sketch of the truck regarding the exhaust pipes. I think LE means like this:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:MxeH5dpbNCFbiM:http://wordpress.wishimac.homeip.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pipes.jpg

The way it was described by the Sheriff is that the pipes are behind the wheel well near the middle of the truck bed before the tailgate. This is what distinguishes it from the one shown in your photo.

[R~O~S]

The video presser today confirmed the pipes are vertical located behind the wheel well and the tailgate.

S-10 with verticle stack and turbine powered:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mtts-turbine-powered-s10-the-retrorocket/710258918

It's totally a "look" & one would think someone would notice if this truck was known in the neighborhood. It's a club truck not a work truck.

'98 ranger with stacks, again a club truck:

http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/ford/10302714+pinline_medium/0808dp_05_z+1998_ford_ranger_cummins+rear_view.jpg

They're looking for a gearhead.

[R~O~S]

better pics of the '98 Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/y8o9t6j

[IM4Truth]

S-10 with verticle stack and turbine powered:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mtts-turbine-powered-s10-the-retrorocket/710258918

It's totally a "look" & one would think someone would notice if this truck was known in the neighborhood. It's a club truck not a work truck.

'98 ranger with stacks, again a club truck:

http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/ford/10302714+pinline_medium/0808dp_05_z+1998_ford_ranger_cummins+rear_view.jpg

They're looking for a gearhead.

Remember Beason only has a population of 200. It is only a few city blocks where everyone knows everyone and many are related to each other. This type of truck would stand out like a sore thumb. BTW what is a gearhead? (sorry, not up on slang)

[R~O~S]

Remember Beason only has a population of 200. It is only a few city blocks where everyone knows everyone and many are related to each other. This type of truck would stand out like a sore thumb. BTW what is a gearhead? (sorry, not up on slang)


lol, yes that was my point. There's no way that kind of truck isn't going to stand out, if it belongs there everyone would know who's it is.

Gear head, slang in the '50's, maybe. Auto enthusiast, someone who does their own work, like in the back yard or garage. Someone who's likely to have an engine hoist in their tool inventory. The kid/guy who can take a car apart and put it back together, better than it was and do the custom paint job too.

[JoAnn]

Where did you hear this JoAnn.

I have two ice picks.

I am not sure it is an ice pick though because that wouldn't leave blunt force trauma but would be used as a weapon to stab.

They are saying they are looking for a cylindrical object with sharp edges.

imo

I am pretty sure it was at truecrime site..I have looked thru several sites for info and for what locals are saying and sometimes it sort of rolls all together. I have no way to know if it were true, but when I read it the poster said the info came from someone that has a relative in Beason and that they had said it was a ice pick. They didnt elaborate or go into any detail.

I will see if I can find it again..

[JoAnn]

I am pretty sure it was at truecrime site..I have looked thru several sites for info and for what locals are saying and sometimes it sort of rolls all together. I have no way to know if it were true, but when I read it the poster said the info came from someone that has a relative in Beason and that they had said it was a ice pick. They didnt elaborate or go into any detail.

I will see if I can find it again..

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yes it was at true crime..hopefully this is a link to their site...under comments it was posted.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/09/gee_family_of_five_found_slaug.php#more

[KittyMom]

Ice pick may mean something other than what we might find in our homes.

Sad that there hasn't been an arrest yet.

[AJandTam]

Who is saying this truck exist? Seems to me that this was probably not a stranger murder, and if the truck does not belong to someone associated w/the victims, then i'd question whether someone is telling tales? True or not true?

[AJandTam]

Ice pick may mean something other than what we might find in our homes.

Sad that there hasn't been an arrest yet.

I'm w/you Kitty, I thought this would be a quick arrest case.

[AJandTam]

Was this house near a major roadway?? W/in view, I mean??

[happygert]

Ice pick may mean something other than what we might find in our homes.

Sad that there hasn't been an arrest yet.

KittyMom is sure is but when you have the Sheriff not telling the public what and where the pipes are in that truck from the first dang place how is anyone supposed to be on the look out for it? and lets not forget where we are .. in a rural community and in LOGAN COUNTY! I wish the State or the FBI would have taken over this case completely! Thank god the csi did come from Lewiston..

[happygert]

Was this house near a major roadway?? W/in view, I mean??

RT 10. this was not a random act..

[happygert]

Was this house near a major roadway?? W/in view, I mean??

rt 10 bean field then there house..yes in view 1 st house when going into beason

[IM4Truth]

Was this house near a major roadway?? W/in view, I mean??

Major roadway? Route 10 running between Lincoln, IL and Clinton, IL would be as major as you could get there. The house was on Broadway which many years ago was just Main Street in Beason. (until they had to name all streets and country roads for 911 purposes). I haven't read where more than one person saw this truck, I think it just said a resident.

[AJandTam]

KittyMom is sure is but when you have the Sheriff not telling the public what and where the pipes are in that truck from the first dang place how is anyone supposed to be on the look out for it? and lets not forget where we are .. in a rural community and in LOGAN COUNTY! I wish the State or the FBI would have taken over this case completely! Thank god the csi did come from Lewiston..

I don't get it, if it wasn't a stranger from the frwy, then how on earth does no one in a small town like this, not know who it belongs too. I live in a really small town and i'm not sure I could bring in a can of beans w/out everyone knowing. You know what I mean.

[AJandTam]

RT 10. this was not a random act..

Thanks Happy G. I don't see it as random either but in some ways, It's hard to be sure anymore. So many crazies around. Back in the Groane case, most of us didn't think it was a stranger either but it was, the man had watched the family from a frwy. That case was sort of different in that he took two little ones. Also different in that at the time we were looking at it, there was a big detail that we didn't know that would have changed our opinion.

[IM4Truth]

I don't get it, if it wasn't a stranger from the frwy, then how on earth does no one in a small town like this, not know who it belongs too. I live in a really small town and i'm not sure I could bring in a can of beans w/out everyone knowing. You know what I mean.

There is no major freeway there. It does not appear to be a random act. That is exactly the point, a resident saw this truck in Beason around midnight Sunday night. It doesn't mean they knew the person. Obviously it was reported as a vehicle not known to the area. The truck could belong to anyone from anywhere or even been stolen for that matter.

[AJandTam]

Major roadway? Route 10 running between Lincoln, IL and Clinton, IL would be as major as you could get there. The house was on Broadway which many years ago was just Main Street in Beason. (until they had to name all streets and country roads for 911 purposes). I haven't read where more than one person saw this truck, I think it just said a resident.

Seems like it would be easy to figure out. Who was mad at these people? And what vehicles did they have access too. Or did someone close to the victims have access to random vehicles. Such as a job hauling cars from shows or something to do w/buying/selling vehicles. Even still seems the townfolk would have known who has access to a vehicle like that.. ?