Caylee Anthony 9/21......

[legalmania]

Good Morning everyone, can you believe this month is almost over?

[legalmania]

Leonard Padilla thinks that zanny is short for xanax, who believes this to be true?

http://www.ask.com/web?o=13721&l=dis&gct=&gc=&q=leonard%20Padilla%20and%20xanax&qsrc=2869

[Jeepers]

Morning Legal!

Heard about it but have no opinion on it. Sorry.
But it seems we are alone here so I take advantage and try to find
out another thing.
O/T
Know you also posted on the Drew Peterson thread. Why is nobody
following anymore? What did I miss? There are quite some things coming
in a few days. 02Oct...Judge decides on change of venue, etc.
Why is there no active thread anymore? Maybe I missed a thing or two or three...., lol.
Perhaps you know?:blink:
Thx in advance!

Lucky

Have a great day today all of you!

Good morning Lucky,

In ref. to D Peterson, I have not looked at that for a long time. When there is no new news to report sometimes CW will move the thread to another area until something happens then everyone will get interested in what is going on.
Casey- I think the xanx was a baby sister for Caylee I just don't know how often she used it from what I have learned about Casey, she could have used it many many times. Just don't know. I just know that Caylee would be missing many times and she would always say she was with Zanny so I just don't know.

[Deannalynn]

Leonard Padilla thinks that zanny is short for xanax, who believes this to be true?

http://www.ask.com/web?o=13721&l=dis&gct=&gc=&q=leonard%20Padilla%20and%20xanax&qsrc=2869

I have no opinion on it either. I think we have hashed this out numerous times. This article I read was September of 2008.

Good morning.

[Deannalynn]

Morning Legal!

Heard about it but have no opinion on it. Sorry.
But it seems we are alone here so I take advantage and try to find
out another thing.
O/T
Know you also posted on the Drew Peterson thread. Why is nobody
following anymore? What did I miss? There are quite some things coming
in a few days. 02Oct...Judge decides on change of venue, etc.
Why is there no active thread anymore? Maybe I missed a thing or two or three...., lol.
Perhaps you know?:blink:
Thx in advance!

Lucky

Have a great day today all of you!

O/T..I think they should open up a new thread if there is activity as soon as October 2. I was following this case. just sayin.

I do think that Casey got the name from the Sawgrass apartments. no more, no less. Just a co-inky-dinky.

[Jeepers]

O/T..I think they should open up a new thread if there is activity as soon as October 2. I was following this case. just sayin.

I do think that Casey got the name from the Sawgrass apartments. no more, no less. Just a co-inky-dinky.

I think the same thing about getting Zanny's information from Sawgrass that is another "I just don't know" I have not seen any reports of Casey getting out of the car and speaking with the manager or just going into the office. I just don't know how she got that much on her by just driving through.
Something about Zanny's driver's license missing never understood that statement. There are a lot of "I don't know's" when concerning Casey and her family.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! Last week I was hoping to see a pre-trial and trial date set for the Criminal Check/Fraud case, and some of the Motions that Lyon had said that she'd be filing. I got a little of my wish.

Why haven't the dates been set for the Criminal Check/Fraud case? Judge Strickland made that ruling earlier this month.

9/3/2009 A ORDER GRANTING STATE'S MOTION FOR DETERMINATION OF NEW TRIAL DATE

[Sun]

Has the defense ever made any motions in regards to the Criminal check/fraud case, other that to get it delayed?

I know that the State has turned over some Discovery, but does anyone recall if any witness statements were ever taken or turned over?

[Deannalynn]

I would like to know what everyone thinks of Lee's position since they found Caylee. Things pretty much changed after her remains were found and she went from missing to murdered.
I wonder what Cindy, George and Lee's relationship is since then.

[cassidy]

I would like to know what everyone thinks of Lee's position since they found Caylee. Things pretty much changed after her remains were found and she went from missing to murdered.
I wonder what Cindy, George and Lee's relationship is since then.

They are all living together and I would imagine that would be difficult if they weren't all on the same page?? IMO Lee is behind Casey 100%.

[Sun]

I would like to know what everyone thinks of Lee's position since they found Caylee. Things pretty much changed after her remains were found and she went from missing to murdered.
I wonder what Cindy, George and Lee's relationship is since then.

IMO, Lee appears to be drawn back into and under Cindy's control. He is living at the Anthony home.

[desmom]

Good Morning! :seeya:

Brought over from the weekend thread:

Remember Caylee was wrapped in garbage bags and a laundry bag, plus she was covered by trees and leaves. One of the experts Dr. Baden said that these elements would cause an almost mummified environment for Caylee.

The garbage bags and laundry bag would not have stopped the scavengers from picking up on the scent of decomposition.

On page 7 of the autopsy report, http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf , state "both bags have large defects, with gnarled, fragmented taring with missing pieces of plastic from both bags".

The laundry bag is described as being a "cylindrical fabric laundry bag" on page 10 of the autopsy report. There is no mention in the report of the laundry bag having a lid. IMO, if there had been a lid, it would have been mentioned in the report.

IMO, the plastic bags and laundry bag offered no protection for Caylee's body.

[desmom]

Good Morning! :seeya:

Brought over from the weekend thread:



The garbage bags and laundry bag would not have stopped the scavengers from picking up on the scent of decomposition.

On page 7 of the autopsy report, http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf , state "both bags have large defects, with gnarled, fragmented taring with missing pieces of plastic from both bags".

The laundry bag is described as being a "cylindrical fabric laundry bag" on page 10 of the autopsy report. There is no mention in the report of the laundry bag having a lid. IMO, if there had been a lid, it would have been mentioned in the report.

IMO, the plastic bags and laundry bag offered no protection for Caylee's body.


Too late to edit... I wanted to add:

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Forensic_entomological_decomposition

[desmom]

Trials & Tribulations did a great summary of last week's motions. I posted part 1 last week:

Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 1
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more.html

Numbers found part 2 yesterday:
Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 2
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more_20.html

[Sun]

http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/CaseyAnthonyjuly16universal.wma

I decided to go back and re-listen to LE's interview of Casey at Universal. What if Casey is continuing to tell the same story (all lies) to Lyon? How would Lyon put together a defense?

chuckles... Casey has rehearsed this story (all lies) in her mind for so long, she does have difficulties in changing parts of it. For instance, even after admits that she doesn't have a job, later in the same interview, she makes references to "working."

[Sun]

Trials & Tribulations did a great summary of last week's motions. I posted part 1 last week:

Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 1
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more.html

Numbers found part 2 yesterday:
Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 2
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more_20.html

desmom, thanks for reposting these links. I absolutely enjoyed reading through Part 1. It was great!

[marinewife5]

http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/CaseyAnthonyjuly16universal.wma

I decided to go back and re-listen to LE's interview of Casey at Universal. What if Casey is continuing to tell the same story (all lies) to Lyon? How would Lyon put together a defense?

chuckles... Casey has rehearsed this story (all lies) in her mind for so long, she does have difficulties in changing parts of it. For instance, even after admits that she doesn't have a job, later in the same interview, she makes references to "working."

casey and the gang do indeed seem to be far more concerned with being "wrong" than with being "guilty". she and her family have made it abundantly clear that this is not about caylee and her murder. it's about being right and their images. jmo

[Piratexox]

Trials & Tribulations did a great summary of last week's motions. I posted part 1 last week:

Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 1
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more.html

Numbers found part 2 yesterday:
Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 2
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more_20.html

Good Morning All.
Thanks for all the links and orgainization Desmom. Really helps us along due to the amount of info we have.
So it seems the A-HA moment is Joy Wray. She won't hold up on the stand. My question is can they bring up her being Baker Act'ed 5 times? IMO it really won't matter. She's going to be a poor witness.

[JHP]

IMO, Lee appears to be drawn back into and under Cindy's control. He is living at the Anthony home.

I think they all have some sort of secret to keep. So its very convienent to all live together so stories can be kept straight. While I think Casey is the murderer, I think she had help after. Who knows to what extent?

I think at least G&C are scared to death. Lee I'm not sure yet. If only his tube socks could talk.

JMO

[Rapunzel]

They are all living together and I would imagine that would be difficult if they weren't all on the same page?? IMO Lee is behind Casey 100%.

Yep, he believes everything his sister says...even if he knows it's a lie...:shrug:

[spydernweb2006]

I do believe the Pro's can use Wray's past mental issues in the trial. It would speak to her credibility and can be documented.

Whats been bothering me alot is G and C's demeanor throughout all this. They act more like people trying hard to not appear guilty eventhough they are. I think when all is over we will see that G & C were involved from the beginning.....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Sun]

I do believe the Pro's can use Wray's past mental issues in the trial. It would speak to her credibility and can be documented.

Whats been bothering me alot is G and C's demeanor throughout all this. They act more like people trying hard to not appear guilty eventhough they are. I think when all is over we will see that G & C were involved from the beginning.....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

I am also wondering how much of JW's prior medical history will be heard by a jury. While "we" have heard the stories, if a jury is not allowed to hear about her "issues" then they could think her more credible than we do.

[desmom]

Good Morning All.
Thanks for all the links and orgainization Desmom. Really helps us along due to the amount of info we have.
So it seems the A-HA moment is Joy Wray. She won't hold up on the stand. My question is can they bring up her being Baker Act'ed 5 times? IMO it really won't matter. She's going to be a poor witness.

Ms. Wray contradicted herself several times in her interview with LE in December 2008. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13466089&highlight=wray#post13466089

If her memory was that faulty 3-5 months after her trips to Suburban Drive in her interview with LE, how accurate will her memory be 24-26 months later at the projected trial date of 06/2010?

jmo

ETA ~ IMO, Ms. Wray's medical history will not be necessary.

[Numbers]

Ms. Wray contradicted herself several times in her interview with LE in December 2008. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13466089&highlight=wray#post13466089

If her memory was that faulty 3-5 months after her trips to Suburban Drive in her interview with LE, how accurate will her memory be 24-26 months later at the projected trial date of 06/2010?

jmo

You beat me to it. I would recommend for one and all to read desmom's *most excellent* comparison of Joy Wray's statements, at the above link.

By the time SA finishes reviewing these for the jury, it will be abundantly clear that she ain't wrapped real tight - even without the Baker Act info.

[Sun]

desmom, maybe you can help me. I have been looking to find the court hearing on Dec 11th that Baez was at, on the morning that Caylee's remains were found on Suburban Drive. I have no clue what the motions were, just the date. I was wanting to re-watch that court hearing, but can't find it.

[breezie]

desmom, maybe you can help me. I have been looking to find the court hearing on Dec 11th that Baez was at, on the morning that Caylee's remains were found on Suburban Drive. I have no clue what the motions were, just the date. I was wanting to re-watch that court hearing, but can't find it.

I remember he waived the right to a speedy trial that morning.

[Sun]

I remember he waived the right to a speedy trial that morning.

I wonder if Casey now regrets that?

[Numbers]

I remember he waived the right to a speedy trial that morning.

Yeah. I bet he went home and kicked the dog that evening! :D

[Figurative statement, as I do not condone dog kicking.]

[Bala]

Trials & Tribulations did a great summary of last week's motions. I posted part 1 last week:

Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 1
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more.html

Numbers found part 2 yesterday:
Casey Anthony: The Defense Files More Motions - Part 2
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/09/casey-anthony-defense-files-more_20.html
This is what worries me. If AL is as qualified as stated by so many why is she deliberately misleading the court. She is coming off as being just as inapt as Baez and in a DP case that's not good. She should be focusing on the evidence instead of misleading the court. I think it's time for the court to start admonishing these lawyers on their inadequate work and wasting the courts time. All these motions do is point out the weaknesses in the defense's case.

[Sun]

I remember he waived the right to a speedy trial that morning.

Thanks breezie!!! Using your info, I found the link!

http://www.wftv.com/video/18253594/index.html

[martha]

Good morning all you wonderful posters, I am so sorry but I have not been able to be here much for over a week due to my hubby being sick and in the hospital but I am trying to catch up. I will try to catch up on my reading today. I think someone told us the play house is not in the an;s back yard now. When I read about gert losing her baby I just wanted to sit here and cry I could still hear the hurt in her voice.She is what a mother is and gert I love you and my heart breaks for you even today over your lose.Now someone tell me after hearing what gert said how anyone that has a heart of any feeling for their baby could kill her and not tell any one she was missing for 31 days. I still go back to that and if I was on that jury I could never get past that 31 days of casey not telling anyone Caylee was gone. None of the an;s have a heart. I just don;t see any love from any of them for CAYLEE. maybe it is just me.jmho

[desmom]

desmom, maybe you can help me. I have been looking to find the court hearing on Dec 11th that Baez was at, on the morning that Caylee's remains were found on Suburban Drive. I have no clue what the motions were, just the date. I was wanting to re-watch that court hearing, but can't find it.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18253594/index.html

article: http://www.wftv.com/news/18253901/detail.html

I think.

[Bala]

I think they all have some sort of secret to keep. So its very convienent to all live together so stories can be kept straight. While I think Casey is the murderer, I think she had help after. Who knows to what extent?

I think at least G&C are scared to death. Lee I'm not sure yet. If only his tube socks could talk.

JMO
I think what ever happened during Lee's depo with the state was a turning point for Lee. Either Lee finally told the truth and is now off the hook and ready to testify against Casey or he hung himself with lies and his lawyer knew and wanted no part of it. There is some reason that this is the time his lawyer chose to walk.

[martha]

This is what worries me. If AL is as qualified as stated by so many why is she deliberately misleading the court. She is coming off as being just as inapt as Baez and in a DP case that's not good. She should be focusing on the evidence instead of misleading the court. I think it's time for the court to start admonishing these lawyers on their inadequate work and wasting the courts time. All these motions do is point out the weaknesses in the defense's case.

You or so right and ita with what you or saying they or wasting the courts time. all the def.lawyers need to be admonished and set straight about this case and they need to get busy and get this trial started just wasting time is all they or doing. Give casey her day in court but stop wasting the courts time.jmho:wub:

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18253594/index.html

article: http://www.wftv.com/news/18253901/detail.html

I think.

...chuckles. I just re-listened to it, and now I know why I forgot what was covered in that hearing. That is one short re-trial hearing!

[martha]

I think what ever happened during Lee's depo with the state was a turning point for Lee. Either Lee finally told the truth and is now off the hook and ready to testify against Casey or he hung himself with lies and his lawyer knew and wanted no part of it. There is some reason that this is the time his lawyer chose to walk. ITA you or so right there was some reason lee;s lawyer quit him. I don;t think lee is going to tell the truth tho. If he was he would not be in the house with c and g. Maybe his lawyer seen what a lyer he was too. I can;t see any lawyer wanting to back any of the an;s up. bc is in it for the money just like all the rest of them or. You can bet they or all going to be there for the book and movie deal. they all know there is a lot of money to be made of this case. down the road they will all have books and movies. I guess c and g or selling all of CAYLEE;s things. the only things that means anything to any of the an;s is money.jmho

[Deannalynn]

I think they all have some sort of secret to keep. So its very convienent to all live together so stories can be kept straight. While I think Casey is the murderer, I think she had help after. Who knows to what extent?

I think at least G&C are scared to death. Lee I'm not sure yet. If only his tube socks could talk.

JMO

The defense team is on a role. They have two credible witnesses now.
Joy Wray and the squirrel that hitched a ride with Casey.:laugh:

[really3997]

Good morning all you wonderful posters, I am so sorry but I have not been able to be here much for over a week due to my hubby being sick and in the hospital but I am trying to catch up. I will try to catch up on my reading today. I think someone told us the play house is not in the an;s back yard now. When I read about gert losing her baby I just wanted to sit here and cry I could still hear the hurt in her voice.She is what a mother is and gert I love you and my heart breaks for you even today over your lose.Now someone tell me after hearing what gert said how anyone that has a heart of any feeling for their baby could kill her and not tell any one she was missing for 31 days. I still go back to that and if I was on that jury I could never get past that 31 days of casey not telling anyone Caylee was gone. None of the an;s have a heart. I just don;t see any love from any of them for CAYLEE. maybe it is just me.jmho

When did we find this out. Jeepers did not pick me up for the Helicopter ride. :sneaky:

[Jeepers]

Good morning all you wonderful posters, I am so sorry but I have not been able to be here much for over a week due to my hubby being sick and in the hospital but I am trying to catch up. I will try to catch up on my reading today. I think someone told us the play house is not in the an;s back yard now. When I read about gert losing her baby I just wanted to sit here and cry I could still hear the hurt in her voice.She is what a mother is and gert I love you and my heart breaks for you even today over your lose.Now someone tell me after hearing what gert said how anyone that has a heart of any feeling for their baby could kill her and not tell any one she was missing for 31 days. I still go back to that and if I was on that jury I could never get past that 31 days of casey not telling anyone Caylee was gone. None of the an;s have a heart. I just don;t see any love from any of them for CAYLEE. maybe it is just me.jmho

Good morning Sweet Martha, I hope your Hubby is doing better. Hospitals take so much out of the well people. You take care of yourself.
I missed the post about Caylee's playhouse being gone. I will go back and read. That is so sad, but that is the A's way of doing things. Hearing Ms. Gert speaking of her child was really so sad. She always has such nice posts.
31 days is enough for me to hang her. That should be enough for anyone.

[Unleashed]

I have no opinion on it either. I think we have hashed this out numerous times. This article I read was September of 2008.

Good morning.

Good morining, all.:seeya:

I've often thought Xanax was the nanny, but wouldn't that have shown up in hair follicle tests done on Caylee?

jmo

[cassidy]

When did we find this out. Jeepers did not pick me up for the Helicopter ride. :sneaky:

Really, just go to the neighbors, climb up on the roof (it's only one story!) and peak over the fence. Put a quick end to this debate :)

[really3997]

Really, just go to the neighbors, climb up on the roof (it's only one story!) and peak over the fence. Put a quick end to this debate :)

And as long as I am there get the chili recipe.:w00t:

[cassidy]

And as long as I am there get the chili recipe.:w00t:


But of course, tht's a given :rolleyes: Go on scoot now :)

[Sun]

Really, just go to the neighbors, climb up on the roof (it's only one story!) and peak over the fence. Put a quick end to this debate :)

That sounds dangerous. How about just taking a walk down the easement behind their back fence. You may need to take along a person walking on stilts.

[Jeepers]

When did we find this out. Jeepers did not pick me up for the Helicopter ride. :sneaky:

Hey Really, I have not found the post yet. I wanna know who got my 10% discount for Heli ride?
I had a new bouncy string I bought last nite just for you! :tonguewag:

I hope that the little house is still there. I would not doubt that it is gone the way the A's seems to throw out things that would mean the world to others.

[Numbers]

The defense team is on a role. They have two credible witnesses now.
Joy Wray and the squirrel that hitched a ride with Casey.:laugh:

Poor squirrel!

Decomposing Squirrel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf)

Page 4

I can't believe they really did this, but I guess it's all part of solid scientific research. ICK.

[cassidy]

Hey Really, I have not found the post yet. I wanna know who got my 10% discount for Heli ride?
I had a new bouncy string I bought last nite just for you! :tonguewag:

I hope that the little house is still there. I would not doubt that it is gone the way the A's seems to throw out things that would mean the world to others.


In all seriousness, the pics I saw yesterday looked like the backyard was very overgrown. It's possible that the playhouse is still there.

JMO

[Jeepers]

That sounds dangerous. How about just taking a walk down the easement behind their back fence. You may need to take along a person walking on stilts.

OOH That would be too easy. I like dangling Really from the helicopter rung.
That way we could really really see what is going on back there.
What cha say Really.. want to try out that new bouncy string???

[Dells]

O/T..I think they should open up a new thread if there is activity as soon as October 2. I was following this case. just sayin.

I do think that Casey got the name from the Sawgrass apartments. no more, no less. Just a co-inky-dinky.

I think how Casey came up w/the name Zanny the nanny, and more specifically ZFG is one of the many mysteries of this case that will never be solved. I think it is possible Casey told everyone that the (fictitious) babysitter that was watching Caylee was named Zanny was just a name she came up with because it rhymed w/the word nanny. I think it is also possible she specifically came up w/ZFG from the Sawgrass apartments connection. Is it just a coincidence that the name she was using for her fake babysitter, Zanny, is a nickname for Zenaida? Personally I think that Zenny is a better nickname for that name than Zanny. The name Zenaida starts w/the letters Z-E, not Z-A, but who knows? I think the most important thing to remember is that Casey's ZFG is not a real person, and how she invented the name to help her get off for murdering her daughter is not really all that important in the grand scheme of things. Nevertheless, it truly is one of the fascinating little tidbits in this case.

I personally don't think that Zanny is a nickname for xanax. I just don't think that Casey would have had the means or motivation to try to obtain that drug on a regular basis. Casey certainly wouldn't have spend any of her money on it for Caylee, even stolen money.

Sadly, we will never know most of the details of this case, because the one responsible is not talking.:sneaky:

Good Monday morning, Friends! :seeya: Hope Judge Strickland sets the date for the fraud trial sometime this week.

[Jeepers]

Poor squirrel!

Decomposing Squirrel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf)

Page 4

I can't believe they really did this, but I guess it's all part of solid scientific research. ICK.

Well the Squirrels should get their case dismissed per the lab test results.
Casey should get LWOP or DP according to the lab test results.

[Jeepers]

In all seriousness, the pics I saw yesterday looked like the backyard was very overgrown. It's possible that the playhouse is still there.

JMO

Just call me sentimental I just could not let go of the little house.
I hope it is still there.

[desmom]

WFTV http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html reported last week:

Also, 2,000 pages of criminal discovery are expected to be released sometime after this week.

[cassidy]

WFTV http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html reported last week:

Also, 2,000 pages of criminal discovery are expected to be released sometime after this week.

So we ought to get them this week! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeepers]

WFTV http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html reported last week:

Also, 2,000 pages of criminal discovery are expected to be released sometime after this week.

That will be interesting our board has been slow and were are a few things going on with little Haleigh over the weekend.

Anything in particular anyone would like to see released.

[Numbers]

Well the Squirrels should get their case dismissed per the lab test results.
Casey should get LWOP or DP according to the lab test results.

The Squirrel family should go after the hit-and-run driver! :lol:

[Rapunzel]

That sounds dangerous. How about just taking a walk down the easement behind their back fence. You may need to take along a person walking on stilts.


Just get a pole and attach a mirror on the end look that way......you know like how the prisoners look down their cell block...LOL...I remember something like that as a kid...a periscope toy???...:biggrin:

[Sun]

WFTV http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html reported last week:

Also, 2,000 pages of criminal discovery are expected to be released sometime after this week.

Thanks for this reminder. One item that this is said to contain, are the photos taken of Casey's tattoo(s). I suspect that many of these 2,000 pages are procedural documents, etc. and other "dry" documents that LKB has previously asked for.

[Jeepers]

The Squirrel family should go after the hit-and-run driver! :lol:

At least file a civil suite for defamation/slander and if they were real smart they would go after everyone that tried to blame them.
The have the potential of winning big if they play their card rights and don't put all their nuts in one basket. Maybe they could get Mitnik to take their case.
He seems to do a pretty job at making the A's mad.

[Sun]

Just get a pole and attach a mirror on the end look that way......you know like how the prisoners look down their cell block...LOL...I remember something like that as a kid...a periscope toy???...:biggrin:

:biggrin: maybe we should start a bail bond fund for you.

[Bala]

I think Jose has put all his eggs in one basket and is destined to fail. He is counting on moving this trial south and getting an all Hispanic jury willing to give Casey a walk because he is Hispanic. I think he'll fail miserably. ZFG is also Hispanic and I think the Hispanic community is far to smart to fall for Jose's crap and will not let him drag them down with his sinking ship. I truly believe that Jose thinks if he can just get this case to Miami he can't loose.

[martha]

When did we find this out. Jeepers did not pick me up for the Helicopter ride. :sneaky:Oh honey I might not should have posted that but I read on last night board about that. I sure hope it is true and I am not starting something that is not true. I will have to go back and read when I have time to see who posted that.sorry if i posted something that is not right.forgive me.jmho:wub:

[really3997]

OOH That would be too easy. I like dangling Really from the helicopter rung.
That way we could really really see what is going on back there.
What cha say Really.. want to try out that new bouncy string???

Whats the weight limit on that...:glare: Can someone send me the link to the pics

[Rapunzel]

I think it was Pam who posted about the playhouse being gone...she had a reverse address look up map from whitepages.com...but it was pointing to the wrong house...it was the next house and you could see the pool but there was so much bamboo in the way you could not see the rest of the yard...LOL...guess that stuff has overgrown now that KC's in jail...:biggrin:

[martha]

Good morning Sweet Martha, I hope your Hubby is doing better. Hospitals take so much out of the well people. You take care of yourself.
I missed the post about Caylee's playhouse being gone. I will go back and read. That is so sad, but that is the A's way of doing things. Hearing Ms. Gert speaking of her child was really so sad. She always has such nice posts.
31 days is enough for me to hang her. That should be enough for anyone.You or so right and I just hope I did not read that post wrong. I need to keep my fingers quite when I don;t know what I am talking about. Maybe someone that lives down there can set me straight on the doll house I sure need to be set straigh. It does take a lot out of the person that has to stay at the hospital with some one I tell my hubby and children when I am in there to stay home don;t come and sit with me because it is so hard on the person having to sit there all the time. I had rather they stay home and be able to help me at home. I have to stay with the hubby because his mind is so bad I have to be the one to tell the doc and nurses what is going on with him.He is feeling some better so I think everything is going to be ok. I hope someone will let us know if CAYLEE'S stuff is still in the back yard.sorry if i caused any trouble with what I posted.love you all jmho:wub:

[desmom]

I think how Casey came up w/the name Zanny the nanny, and more specifically ZFG is one of the many mysteries of this case that will never be solved. I think it is possible Casey told everyone that the (fictitious) babysitter that was watching Caylee was named Zanny was just a name she came up with because it rhymed w/the word nanny. I think it is also possible she specifically came up w/ZFG from the Sawgrass apartments connection. Is it just a coincidence that the name she was using for her fake babysitter, Zanny, is a nickname for Zenaida? Personally I think that Zenny is a better nickname for that name than Zanny. The name Zenaida starts w/the letters Z-E, not Z-A, but who knows? I think the most important thing to remember is that Casey's ZFG is not a real person, and how she invented the name to help her get off for murdering her daughter is not really all that important in the grand scheme of things. Nevertheless, it truly is one of the fascinating little tidbits in this case.

I personally don't think that Zanny is a nickname for xanax. I just don't think that Casey would have had the means or motivation to try to obtain that drug on a regular basis. Casey certainly wouldn't have spend any of her money on it for Caylee, even stolen money.

Sadly, we will never know most of the details of this case, because the one responsible is not talking.:sneaky:

Good Monday morning, Friends! :seeya: Hope Judge Strickland sets the date for the fraud trial sometime this week.

I agree Dells. Zenny makes more sense for Zenaida than Zanny. I think Zanny was born because it rhymed with nanny and not because of Xanax.

As for ZG and Sawgrass - There have been reports on message boards Casey some how saw the Sawgrass guest card, ZG was connected to Cast Iron Tattoos and Casey found ZG while surfing facebook/myspace. I vote for Cast Iron Tat and the internet surfing.

jmo

[Jeepers]

Oh honey I might not should have posted that but I read on last night board about that. I sure hope it is true and I am not starting something that is not true. I will have to go back and read when I have time to see who posted that.sorry if i posted something that is not right.forgive me.jmho:wub:

Not a problem Sweet Martha, but Don't let Really know it might be gone
I think I still want to dangle Really over that hibiscus bush anyway (just for fun). :w00t:

[martha]

I think it was Pam who posted about the playhouse being gone...she had a reverse address look up map from whitepages.com...but it was pointing to the wrong house...it was the next house and you could see the pool but there was so much bamboo in the way you could not see the rest of the yard...LOL...guess that stuff has overgrown now that KC's in jail...:biggrin: oh I understand what you or saying now g and c need to stay home and clean up that back yard.Maybe their company can get out there and help them. they seem to have plenty of people staying with them. or they could use some of the money they or making of off little CAYLEE to hire someone to do it.jmho:wub:

[desmom]

Thanks for this reminder. One item that this is said to contain, are the photos taken of Casey's tattoo(s). I suspect that many of these 2,000 pages are procedural documents, etc. and other "dry" documents that LKB has previously asked for.

I agree Sun. I think we will be reading a lot of documents that explain the FBI's process, procedures and certifications type stuff.

[desmom]

That will be interesting our board has been slow and were are a few things going on with little Haleigh over the weekend.

Anything in particular anyone would like to see released.

I would love to see the test results of the maggots from the trunk, the test results of the various bugs and stuff they found at the Suburban Drive site, all duct tape reports, Mark Hawkins interview with LE, LE's timeline of Casey's activities from June 15 - July 16....give me a few minutes and I am sure I can think of more. :tonguewag:

jmo

[Jeepers]

You or so right and I just hope I did not read that post wrong. I need to keep my fingers quite when I don;t know what I am talking about. Maybe someone that lives down there can set me straight on the doll house I sure need to be set straigh. It does take a lot out of the person that has to stay at the hospital with some one I tell my hubby and children when I am in there to stay home don;t come and sit with me because it is so hard on the person having to sit there all the time. I had rather they stay home and be able to help me at home. I have to stay with the hubby because his mind is so bad I have to be the one to tell the doc and nurses what is going on with him.He is feeling some better so I think everything is going to be ok. I hope someone will let us know if CAYLEE'S stuff is still in the back yard.sorry if i caused any trouble with what I posted.love you all jmho:wub:

I understand the hospital stays. I don't like folks staying with me when I am sick because it is just so tiring.
I am hoping that Caylee's little house is still there. I just don't want to believe that the A's are really that cold hearted. I don't want to think of anyone that way.
It would not bother me so if the A's had not acted the way they did and have.
I understand putting things away after a death but they just appear to be so materialist about everything. Everything is disposable to them. Except Casey and I would have thrown her out with the dishwater. jmo

[Rapunzel]

I have also wanted to see the maggot evidence or the coffin fly evidence...but then I think it is better not to see it as it may be something that will not be released to the public as it could have a substantial bearing on KC's rights to be able to sit a jury and fair trial...so some of these things may be better left for trial...as it will most likely be KC's undoing...

[Dells]

I think Jose has put all his eggs in one basket and is destined to fail. He is counting on moving this trial south and getting an all Hispanic jury willing to give Casey a walk because he is Hispanic. I think he'll fail miserably. ZFG is also Hispanic and I think the Hispanic community is far to smart to fall for Jose's crap and will not let him drag them down with his sinking ship. I truly believe that Jose thinks if he can just get this case to Miami he can't loose.

I think it was a dumb move on JB's part to want to move the trial down south just due to his heritage. Maybe it would matter more or be more effective if Casey herself were hispanic, but I can't see how the jurors will care one way or another if JB is Hispanic. :shrug: I also agree that any potential Hispanic jurors will not be too pleased w/Casey for picking a fictitious Hispanic person to blame Caylees disappearance and murder on.

I don't think it really matters where they move the trial, I think Casey will be found guilty. They could move the trial to Mars, and the Martians would still find her guilty.

[Jeepers]

I think it was Pam who posted about the playhouse being gone...she had a reverse address look up map from whitepages.com...but it was pointing to the wrong house...it was the next house and you could see the pool but there was so much bamboo in the way you could not see the rest of the yard...LOL...guess that stuff has overgrown now that KC's in jail...:biggrin:

Yeah, that Casey, I bet the A's sure do miss their little Bamboo Shoveling Girl .
She was quiet the gardner. She just tried to plant things all over that yard according to the cadaver dogs.
Maybe the A's will hire a yardperson to replace Casey and get all that Bamboo cleared out. I'm gonna cross my fingers that everything will work out for the A's.
That was all the George & Cindy did when the protesters were in their neighborhood was work in their yard. Now that the media is gone the yard has gone to yell in a handbasket. Go figure....

[Sun]

I would love to see the test results of the maggots from the trunk, the test results of the various bugs and stuff they found at the Suburban Drive site, all duct tape reports, Mark Hawkins interview with LE, LE's timeline of Casey's activities from June 15 - July 16....give me a few minutes and I am sure I can think of more. :tonguewag:

jmo

Have we seen a LE interview of Christina Chester or Mallory yet?

[Dells]

Oh honey I might not should have posted that but I read on last night board about that. I sure hope it is true and I am not starting something that is not true. I will have to go back and read when I have time to see who posted that.sorry if i posted something that is not right.forgive me.jmho:wub:

I read that last night too, Martha. Somebody posted a link to google earth or one of those types of websites, and it showed the Anthony's backyard w/out any of Caylee's things in it.

[Jeepers]

Whats the weight limit on that...:glare: Can someone send me the link to the pics

Oh I had it tested up 1500 lbs. It is a good one! Trust Me! Honest!
That bouncy string would hold us all up along with some camera equipment and a few bushes Trust Me!
You will be just fine!:tongueside:

[desmom]

Have we seen a LE interview of Christina Chester or Mallory yet?

Chester's handwritten statement dated 7/16/08 1948 hours page 47 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1

Chester's interview with the Globe: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3371.msg449717#msg449717

I can't find anything for Mallory and had no luck with a LE interview with Chester either. jmo

[Imperfect4]

casey and the gang do indeed seem to be far more concerned with being "wrong" than with being "guilty". she and her family have made it abundantly clear that this is not about caylee and her murder. it's about being right and their images. jmo

Oh, you know it! Well said! :thumbup:

[Imperfect4]

I am also wondering how much of JW's prior medical history will be heard by a jury. While "we" have heard the stories, if a jury is not allowed to hear about her "issues" then they could think her more credible than we do.

I don't think she'll be able to keep her various and conflicting stories straight about where she was and when, under cross-examination by LDB. I think she can be discredited without bringing her medical history up.

[Sun]

Chester's handwritten statement dated 7/16/08 1948 hours page 47 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1

Chester's interview with the Globe: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3371.msg449717#msg449717

I can't find anything for Mallory and had no luck with a LE interview with Chester either. jmo

BINGO!!! You found CC's hand written statement. I have always wondered if CC was the one that returned Caylee's Dora One Swimwear to Cindy during the group meeting of friends that was held at the Anthony's home. Cindy told LE that she though a "Chris" brought it, but she couldn't remember his last name. (was this perhaps another lie of Cindy's?)

[Imperfect4]

Thanks for this reminder. One item that this is said to contain, are the photos taken of Casey's tattoo(s). I suspect that many of these 2,000 pages are procedural documents, etc. and other "dry" documents that LKB has previously asked for.

Am I the only one who seriously does not want to see anything on the OC's body up close? :unsure:

[Imperfect4]

I think Jose has put all his eggs in one basket and is destined to fail. He is counting on moving this trial south and getting an all Hispanic jury willing to give Casey a walk because he is Hispanic. I think he'll fail miserably. ZFG is also Hispanic and I think the Hispanic community is far to smart to fall for Jose's crap and will not let him drag them down with his sinking ship. I truly believe that Jose thinks if he can just get this case to Miami he can't loose.

I fail to see the logic of Baez's desire to *perform* in front of a Hispanic jury/community/audience. Hispanics are also mothers and grandparents, and will be just as appalled at the defendant and her family as anyone of any other ethnicity.

For Baez to assume he'll do better because of his own ethnic background is absurd, offensive, and imo, insulting to the Hispanic community he presumes to represent.

[need2no]

I don't think she'll be able to keep her various and conflicting stories straight about where she was and when, under cross-examination by LDB. I think she can be discredited without bringing her medical history up.

and why she was so involved in this case in the first place.

I would imagine JW is one of those people that given a little rope she will out herself pretty quickly. Just let her ramble on and her 'issues' will be abundantly clear to the jury.

[Imperfect4]

and why she was so involved in this case in the first place.

I would imagine JW is one of those people that given a little rope she will out herself pretty quickly. Just let her ramble on and her 'issues' will be abundantly clear to the jury.

Yep, she'll be what is referred to as "low hanging fruit" for the prosecution.

I'm honestly :scared: at the fact that over a year later, all the defense appears to have as a strategy are the conflicting statements and questionable mental state of one Joy Wray.

[Katprint]

Leonard Padilla thinks that zanny is short for xanax, who believes this to be true?

http://www.ask.com/web?o=13721&l=dis&gct=&gc=&q=leonard%20Padilla%20and%20xanax&qsrc=2869
I think the Anthonys like to play games with words. Lots of half-truths and "mis-truths." I think Casey got "Zanny the Nanny" from one of Caylee's books - IIRC there was one book with a character named "Zanny the Nanny - but then Casey used that phrase in whatever context she wished. It is possible that Casey may have referred to Xanax as "Zanny." It is easy to picture Casey giving Caylee a sedative i.e. Xanax, chloroform or whatever and then laughing to herself that she ought to call the sedative "Zanny the Nanny" since it was taking care of Caylee.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[spydernweb2006]

I think Jose has put all his eggs in one basket and is destined to fail. He is counting on moving this trial south and getting an all Hispanic jury willing to give Casey a walk because he is Hispanic. I think he'll fail miserably. ZFG is also Hispanic and I think the Hispanic community is far to smart to fall for Jose's crap and will not let him drag them down with his sinking ship. I truly believe that Jose thinks if he can just get this case to Miami he can't loose.

I am 1/2 cuban and I assure you that NO cuban's that I have ever met enjoy being slandered all over the news, being accused falsely or condone or coverup child murder. Jose better start thinking in another direction if he for one minute thinks that cause he is hispanic that any hispanic is gonna gove him a pass on such a henious case.

I had 2 awesome fantastic hispanic nannies/daycare Mothers for my son. I had the comfort of knowing my son was being cared for in the best most loving homes while I was at work. NEVER eventhough I knew both daycare Mom's well did they take my son ANYWHERE. I lived with my Parents and they also knew and went to the sitter's homes many times when I was working late.

Bottom line IMO is Casey killed her child and is trying hard to slander the hispanic community by perpetuating the lie that a hispanic nanny took off and child her child.... Casey will NOT get a pass from the hispanics for trying to blame them for her own actions....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[desmom]

I am re-reading old document dumps. On page 39 http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/01.pdf LE quotes part of a conversation they had with Rick, Cindy's brother.

RP: So that's how, that's how I know that. Anyway, uh, the counselor had told uhm, Cindy, "Just kick them out on the street," and Cindy wouldn't do that. She goes, "Uh, what about Caylee?" She says, Can't, "I can't kick my, my granddaughter out on the street," and because Casey would try to take her. And finally, the, the counselor said, "Well you need to file for custody." So I know, I know Cindy a couple of times had threatened Casey, this is through my mom, that if Casey didn't behave and straighten up she would throw her out on the street and file for custody.

Maybe the evening of June 15, the night of Cindy allegedly had Casey by the neck, Cindy did throw them out.

That would explain why George had such great recall of what both girls were wearing when they left.

Also, is Cindy feeling guilty about throwing them out? Is that why Cindy tried to misdirect LE in their investigation?

Which leads to...did Casey throw it up in Cindy's face after the 911 call but before LE arrived on the scene or when she was out on bond? Did Casey tell Cindy Caylee died accidentally because they were living in the car or some such nonsense? Did Casey say if Cindy hadn't thrown them out, Caylee would still be alive?

I do not believe George or Cindy were involved in Caylee's death and I did not want to believe they were involved in hiding Caylee's body. The above scenario would explain a lot of the A's behavior and attempts at misdirection of the investigation.

Hmmm, I will have to think about this more...please feel free to poke holes in this scenario. ...jmo

[Imperfect4]

I think the Anthonys like to play games with words. Lots of half-truths and "mis-truths." I think Casey got "Zanny the Nanny" from one of Caylee's books - IIRC there was one book with a character named "Zanny the Nanny - but then Casey used that phrase in whatever context she wished. It is possible that Casey may have referred to Xanax as "Zanny." It is easy to picture Casey giving Caylee a sedative i.e. Xanax, chloroform or whatever and then laughing to herself that she ought to call the sedative "Zanny the Nanny" since it was taking care of Caylee.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

BBM. I so agree with this statement, kp.

[Kathlb]

Am I the only one who seriously does not want to see anything on the OC's body up close? :unsure:

You're not alone Imperfect. I have seen way more of her face and exposed body than I ever wanted or would ever want to again. It's revolting to me.

[Imperfect4]

You're not alone Imperfect. I have seen way more of her face and exposed body than I ever wanted or would ever want to again. It's revolting to me.

Same here. <gag>

[bchand]

Sprocket was a regular poster on this board for many years - very well recognized, and VERY insightful. Those who know her, miss her here, greatly!!

I agree with you about Sprocket. She is amazing.

These updates on the motions are written by another member over there, Ritanita. She's doing a great job with them.

[Kathlb]

I do believe the Pro's can use Wray's past mental issues in the trial. It would speak to her credibility and can be documented.

Whats been bothering me alot is G and C's demeanor throughout all this. They act more like people trying hard to not appear guilty eventhough they are. I think when all is over we will see that G & C were involved from the beginning.....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

I agree, the old saying "Methinks thou dost protest too much" applies here to my way of thinking. They try way too hard to deflect any truth of the matter to not know or be involved in what happened to little Caylee. If my sons ever tried that hard and that long, I would know they were into something clear up to their eyeballs. ;-)

[cherish]

I would love to see the test results of the maggots from the trunk, the test results of the various bugs and stuff they found at the Suburban Drive site, all duct tape reports, Mark Hawkins interview with LE, LE's timeline of Casey's activities from June 15 - July 16....give me a few minutes and I am sure I can think of more. :tonguewag:

jmo

The JCpenny receipt.

[need2no]

Yep, she'll be what is referred to as "low hanging fruit" for the prosecution.

I'm honestly :scared: at the fact that over a year later, all the defense appears to have as a strategy are the conflicting statements and questionable mental state of one Joy Wray.



low hanging fruit :lol:

or how about:
http://www.picupine.com/4a66e74x

:biggrin:

[Kathlb]

Sprocket was a regular poster on this board for many years - very well recognized, and VERY insightful. Those who know her, miss her here, greatly!!

I agree, she is great and I read her blog all the time. Tons of good info there. :thumbsup:

[sydney]

I personally don't think that Zanny is a nickname for xanax. I just don't think that Casey would have had the means or motivation to try to obtain that drug on a regular basis. Casey certainly wouldn't have spend any of her money on it for Caylee, even stolen money.



(snipped by me)
good morning everyone! hey, dells, i agree with the above. what do other deadbeat mothers do? give their kids ny-tol or something like that to make them sleep? a lot cheaper and easier to get than xanax.

[Sun]

I am re-reading old document dumps. On page 39 http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/01.pdf LE quotes part of a conversation they had with Rick, Cindy's brother.

RP: So that's how, that's how I know that. Anyway, uh, the counselor had told uhm, Cindy, "Just kick them out on the street," and Cindy wouldn't do that. She goes, "Uh, what about Caylee?" She says, Can't, "I can't kick my, my granddaughter out on the street," and because Casey would try to take her. And finally, the, the counselor said, "Well you need to file for custody." So I know, I know Cindy a couple of times had threatened Casey, this is through my mom, that if Casey didn't behave and straighten up she would throw her out on the street and file for custody.

Maybe the evening of June 15, the night of Cindy allegedly had Casey by the neck, Cindy did throw them out.

That would explain why George had such great recall of what both girls were wearing when they left.

Also, is Cindy feeling guilty about throwing them out? Is that why Cindy tried to misdirect LE in their investigation?

Which leads to...did Casey throw it up in Cindy's face after the 911 call but before LE arrived on the scene or when she was out on bond? Did Casey tell Cindy Caylee died accidentally because they were living in the car or some such nonsense? Did Casey say if Cindy hadn't thrown them out, Caylee would still be alive?

I do not believe George or Cindy were involved in Caylee's death and I did not want to believe they were involved in hiding Caylee's body. The above scenario would explain a lot of the A's behavior and attempts at misdirection of the investigation.

Hmmm, I will have to think about this more...please feel free to poke holes in this scenario. ...jmo

Cindy could very well have had an argument with Casey on the evening of June 15th. I am not sure if there are txtmsgs on the days following that would support Cindy actually throwing Casey out of the house. I'm leaning towards an argument most likely occurred, but that Casey was the one doing the threatening to move out and saying that Cindy wouldn't ever have to babysit Caylee ever again.

Of course, I've also "dreamed" that Cindy and Casey plotted to place Caylee's death on George. So that George would go to prison, and Cindy wouldn't have to worry about him getting the house or alimony support any longer. Cindy and Casey both could be free from George. NOTE: this WAS ONLY A DREAM!

[Imperfect4]

low hanging fruit :lol:

or how about:
http://www.picupine.com/4a66e74x

:biggrin:

Excellent! :thumbsup:

[desmom]

I love this page 41 http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/01.pdf

RP: I would say this about Casey. If she sees, something or hears something she will spin it inot her own little world to make it work for her, whatever kind of lite it is. And uh, Cindy was on her back trying to find out who this, who the father was when it wasn't Jesse. And uh, to get her off, off uh, Casey's back, to get Cindy off her back I think she cut out his obituary.

When LE asked Rick how long he had know this about Casey, Rick said on page 42:

RP: Well, when I first saw the, the extent of what she could lie was at my wedding. I mean to look at people with a straight face and tell them oh, well I'm not pregnant. I'm, I'm, well (inaudible). Okay."

[Numbers]

Am I the only one who seriously does not want to see anything on the OC's body up close? :unsure:

Not at all! <ICK> But I am curious as to what is on the ~one~ piece of paper that accompanies a whole CD of photos.

Laugh on me: It probably just says, "Here's the photo CD."

[Sun]

I love this page 41 http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/01.pdf

RP: I would say this about Casey. If she sees, something or hears something she will spin it inot her own little world to make it work for her, whatever kind of lite it is. And uh, Cindy was on her back trying to find out who this, who the father was when it wasn't Jesse. And uh, to get her off, off uh, Casey's back, to get Cindy off her back I think she cut out his obituary.

When LE asked Rick how long he had know this about Casey, Rick said on page 42:

RP: Well, when I first saw the, the extent of what she could lie was at my wedding. I mean to look at people with a straight face and tell them oh, well I'm not pregnant. I'm, I'm, well (inaudible). Okay."

Rick wasn't around Casey much, as they lived quite a distance away. It does seem that Casey made quite a memorable impression on Rick, with the "I'm not pregnant" lie. That memory will most likely stay with Rick for the rest of his life.

[bchand]

and why she was so involved in this case in the first place.

I would imagine JW is one of those people that given a little rope she will out herself pretty quickly. Just let her ramble on and her 'issues' will be abundantly clear to the jury.

Oh she'll be a helpful witness for the defense alright.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

Pg 16 -

JW - They'd gotten pretty close those two.

JA - What your daughter and George have gotten cose?

JW - uh hum

JW - But I'm not leaving her alone with him. I don't want my kid to go missing.

Page 34 - 35

JW - They had me brainwashed that saying kidnapped her, kidnapped her and murdered her.

JA - Who had you brainwashed?

JW - George and them.

JW - and KidFinders.

[Sun]

Not at all! <ICK> But I am curious as to what is on the ~one~ piece of paper that accompanies a whole CD of photos.

Laugh on me: It probably just says, "Here's the photo CD."

That one piece of paper could get lost in a 2,000 page doc dump.

[really3997]

Oh she'll be a helpful witness for the defense alright.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

Pg 16 -

JW - They'd gotten pretty close those two.

JA - What your daughter and George have gotten cose?

JW - uh hum

JW - But I'm not leaving her alone with him. I don't want my kid to go missing.
Page 34 - 35

JW - They had me brainwashed that saying kidnapped her, kidnapped her and murdered her.

JA - Who had you brainwashed?

JW - George and them.

JW - and KidFinders.

:lol: I half expected the next statement to involve probing her brain.

[KittyMom]

I am re-reading old document dumps. On page 39 http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/01.pdf LE quotes part of a conversation they had with Rick, Cindy's brother.

***respectfully snipped
Maybe the evening of June 15, the night of Cindy allegedly had Casey by the neck, Cindy did throw them out.

That would explain why George had such great recall of what both girls were wearing when they left.

Also, is Cindy feeling guilty about throwing them out? Is that why Cindy tried to misdirect LE in their investigation?

Which leads to...did Casey throw it up in Cindy's face after the 911 call but before LE arrived on the scene or when she was out on bond? Did Casey tell Cindy Caylee died accidentally because they were living in the car or some such nonsense? Did Casey say if Cindy hadn't thrown them out, Caylee would still be alive?

I do not believe George or Cindy were involved in Caylee's death and I did not want to believe they were involved in hiding Caylee's body. The above scenario would explain a lot of the A's behavior and attempts at misdirection of the investigation.

Hmmm, I will have to think about this more...please feel free to poke holes in this scenario. ...jmo

IF Cindy did throw Casey/Caylee out, it might explain Casey's comment in the jail video along the lines of "Don't worry, I didn't tell them anything" as in, I didn't tell them that you threw us out.

[bchand]

IF Cindy did throw Casey/Caylee out, it might explain Casey's comment in the jail video along the lines of "Don't worry, I didn't tell them anything" as in, I didn't tell them that you threw us out.

I wonder if this is what she's told Jose and Andrea?

[Dells]

and why she was so involved in this case in the first place.

I would imagine JW is one of those people that given a little rope she will out herself pretty quickly. Just let her ramble on and her 'issues' will be abundantly clear to the jury.

She better be careful because I could totally see the defense team throwing her under the bus to save Casey. Why anyone would get involved w/the players involved in this case is beyond me. :shrug: It seems as if anybody that has ever tried to help the defense or The Anthony's gets taken down in some way. I could just see the defense using her mental instability and her desire to help in the search for Caylee as a means to create reasonable doubt. They could potentially name her as one of the people that could have placed Caylee's body at the remains site. She just better be careful and watch her back. These people show no loyalty unless it is for Casey. Why she has such a pull over so many people I will never understand in a million years. I'm not even sure I want to know.:unsure: She's evil. Pure evil.

[jammies]

IF Cindy did throw Casey/Caylee out, it might explain Casey's comment in the jail video along the lines of "Don't worry, I didn't tell them anything" as in, I didn't tell them that you threw us out.


That is always what I thought Casey meant. Cindy's worst fear is that she will look bad and Casey knows this. Casey plays Cindy like a fiddle.

[need2no]

I think the Anthonys like to play games with words. Lots of half-truths and "mis-truths." I think Casey got "Zanny the Nanny" from one of Caylee's books - IIRC there was one book with a character named "Zanny the Nanny - but then Casey used that phrase in whatever context she wished. It is possible that Casey may have referred to Xanax as "Zanny." It is easy to picture Casey giving Caylee a sedative i.e. Xanax, chloroform or whatever and then laughing to herself that she ought to call the sedative "Zanny the Nanny" since it was taking care of Caylee.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I'm thinking along the same lines KP. We know casey isn't a 'deep' thinking person, so it had to be something off the top of her head that she could easily go with, she probably thought it was ingenious.

Richard Grund stated to Nancy Grace:
"Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named..."

I could imagine prior to that day casey had already been getting vibes from Richard that he wasn't thrilled about casey dumping Caylee on them everyday. Clearly he was annoyed if he "met her at the door" with this inquiry. She had probably indicated it was going to be a temporary situation until she could line up a new sitter, then she never mentioned any efforts toward finding someone as the weeks passed so RG got PO'ed. Perhaps casey decided she would drag this out until she was confronted, then after milking this situation as far as she could she had a ready made response (that had a bit of truth to it) to immediately spew out to Richard.

[KittyMom]

I wonder if this is what she's told Jose and Andrea?

lol...who knows what lies she's told them as she's fitted them with her hand-made macrame handcuff braclets that match the ones she wears to court. :rolleyes:

[desmom]

Oh she'll be a helpful witness for the defense alright.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

Pg 16 -

JW - They'd gotten pretty close those two.

JA - What your daughter and George have gotten cose?

JW - uh hum

JW - But I'm not leaving her alone with him. I don't want my kid to go missing.

Page 34 - 35

JW - They had me brainwashed that saying kidnapped her, kidnapped her and murdered her.

JA - Who had you brainwashed?

JW - George and them.

JW - and KidFinders.

Will the prosecution ask Ms. Wray why she went on searches with TES if she believed Caylee was alive?
photo November 11, 2008: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view.bg?articleid=1138140

[need2no]

Oh she'll be a helpful witness for the defense alright.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

Pg 16 -

JW - They'd gotten pretty close those two.

JA - What your daughter and George have gotten cose?

JW - uh hum

JW - But I'm not leaving her alone with him. I don't want my kid to go missing.

Page 34 - 35

JW - They had me brainwashed that saying kidnapped her, kidnapped her and murdered her.

JA - Who had you brainwashed?

JW - George and them.

JW - and KidFinders.

Thanks for posting this bchand, I had forgotten. You don't happen to know if Joy still has her website, and if so do you have a link?

[sydney]

Thanks for posting this bchand, I had forgotten. You don't happen to know if Joy still has her website, and if so do you have a link?

she actually sounds like a tragic figure to me. i can picture her wearing her little tin hat in court to keep the a's from brainwashing any further.

seriously, as far as worrying about keeping HER story straight, the a's should be doing that, as well. they have waffled on some items as much as joy has, but joy clearly has mental issues. the a's? not so much. unless you call compulsive lying a mental issue.

[need2no]

Will the prosecution ask Ms. Wray why she went on searches with TES if she believed Caylee was alive?
photo November 11, 2008: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view.bg?articleid=1138140

Good point desmom. Was this pic from the Little Econ River search? I recall Joy (captured on video standing beside Dennis Martin ) saying Caylee was alive and holding some sort of picture during that fiasco. I think that was November 13th or 14th.

[really3997]

Jeepers, I have been looking at google earth and other resources and there is not a time stamp on these imagines. They could have been years ago. not a good resource for information jmo

[Numbers]

Oh she'll be a helpful witness for the defense alright.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf

Pg 16 -

JW - They'd gotten pretty close those two.

JA - What your daughter and George have gotten cose?

JW - uh hum

JW - But I'm not leaving her alone with him. I don't want my kid to go missing.

Page 34 - 35

JW - They had me brainwashed that saying kidnapped her, kidnapped her and murdered her.

JA - Who had you brainwashed?

JW - George and them.

JW - and KidFinders.

Does anyone know the date of this interview? The other pages at the end are dated 10/1/08, but I don't see anything on the interview. ???

Did George tell her Zanny murdered Caylee before the body was found???

[desmom]

Good point desmom. Was this pic from the Little Econ River search? I recall Joy (captured on video standing beside Dennis Martin ) saying Caylee was alive and holding some sort of picture during that fiasco. I think that was November 13th or 14th.

The "I got beads" video: http://www.wftv.com/video/17974178/index.html

[really3997]

The "I got beads" video: http://www.wftv.com/video/17974178/index.html

:w00t:I hear it is up for an emmy

[sydney]

Does anyone know the date of this interview? The other pages at the end are dated 10/1/08, but I don't see anything on the interview. ???

Did George tell her Zanny murdered Caylee before the body was found???

that would be HUGE if he did! we all remember that caylee was (and is still in their minds) missing at that time

[hunoz]

The defense team is on a role. They have two credible witnesses now.
Joy Wray and the squirrel that hitched a ride with Casey.:laugh:

Yes, and the squirrel is more credible!

[Numbers]

that would be HUGE if he did! we all remember that caylee was (and is still in their minds) missing at that time

But then I consider the source, and my excitement fades........

Drat. I hate when that happens. <hissy fit>

[Sun]

9/21/2009 Notice of Hearing Notice of Hearing FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA

Fresh off the Clerk of Courts records for the Civil Case. No clue as to the date of the hearing though.

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named..."
*snip*
Perhaps casey decided she would drag this out until she was confronted, then after milking this situation as far as she could she had a ready made response (that had a bit of truth to it) to immediately spew out to Richard.
excellent post (snipped only to address the 2 points)

lies of biblical proportions! her detailed explanation of who "zanny" is sounds like biblical geneaology (and adam begat cain and abel, and cain begat so-and-so...)

Perhaps casey decided she would drag this out until she was confronted an ongoing pattern. she didn't 'fess up that caylee was missing until confronted; and she led le down the hallway to her "office" until there wasn't any more hallway (lol! at this one, because even after she admitted lying about her office and working, she subsequently referred to "working")

[Jeepers]

Jeepers, I have been looking at google earth and other resources and there is not a time stamp on these imagines. They could have been years ago. not a good resource for information jmo

Thanks Really, I guess we will cancel our fly over until we can find some more up to date information.
I hope we still get our 10% discount.

I remember someone -one of the young people that lived in the neighborhood was interviewed I think by TV media soon after Caylee was found, they were describing the area and said the Anthony home did not have a nice yard until recently.
When I google my house it shows a cleared dirt spot before the house was built 7 years ago.

[desmom]

While looking for the "I've got beads" video, I found this link posted by Sully earlier this month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76MA51PRm8&feature=channel_page

Check out the photos at 2:14 on the clock. You can see the fence that was mentioned in Joy and Keith's interviews with LE. Were the pics at 2:14 and 2:20 taken the same day as the memorial pics in the link or were the copies of the pics she gave LE?

[cherish]

Don't know if this link has been posted, sorry if has

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d19-Slideshow-Casey-Anthony-and-other-dangerous-women-who-kill-photos

[sydney]

But then I consider the source, and my excitement fades........

Drat. I hate when that happens. <hissy fit>

which source are you considering? wray or ga? both equally unreliable, imo.

[Jeepers]

Yes, and the squirrel is more credible!

The squirrels have had their case dismissed due to result of FBI Lab tests conducted. Lab concluded no evidense of decomposed squirrels
However I heard that Mitnik's office has been contacted and are considering taking their Civil Case against KC and the A's
Mitnik was heard saying "Do you really want to take on those Nuts"?
The door closed about that time and chattering was all that could be heard.

Joy Wrath should just go back home and shut the door. The state will have her so befuzzled so won't know what she said when.

[bchand]

Thanks for posting this bchand, I had forgotten. You don't happen to know if Joy still has her website, and if so do you have a link?

She's got this on Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/joyangels4caylee

[Bala]

I am re-reading old document dumps. On page 39 http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/01.pdf LE quotes part of a conversation they had with Rick, Cindy's brother.

RP: So that's how, that's how I know that. Anyway, uh, the counselor had told uhm, Cindy, "Just kick them out on the street," and Cindy wouldn't do that. She goes, "Uh, what about Caylee?" She says, Can't, "I can't kick my, my granddaughter out on the street," and because Casey would try to take her. And finally, the, the counselor said, "Well you need to file for custody." So I know, I know Cindy a couple of times had threatened Casey, this is through my mom, that if Casey didn't behave and straighten up she would throw her out on the street and file for custody.

Maybe the evening of June 15, the night of Cindy allegedly had Casey by the neck, Cindy did throw them out.

That would explain why George had such great recall of what both girls were wearing when they left.

Also, is Cindy feeling guilty about throwing them out? Is that why Cindy tried to misdirect LE in their investigation?

Which leads to...did Casey throw it up in Cindy's face after the 911 call but before LE arrived on the scene or when she was out on bond? Did Casey tell Cindy Caylee died accidentally because they were living in the car or some such nonsense? Did Casey say if Cindy hadn't thrown them out, Caylee would still be alive?

I do not believe George or Cindy were involved in Caylee's death and I did not want to believe they were involved in hiding Caylee's body. The above scenario would explain a lot of the A's behavior and attempts at misdirection of the investigation.

Hmmm, I will have to think about this more...please feel free to poke holes in this scenario. ...jmo
Guilt is the most powerful weapon a child can use against a parent so this is possible. The biggest problem I have with this theory is Cindy having Caylee cremated. If she was feeling guilty why go against Casey's wishes and cremate her daughter. That reeks of a screw you moment from mother to daughter. I also don't believe that C&G knew that Casey had killed Caylee prior to July 15. I do believe they are helping to cover it up.

[marinewife5]

The squirrels have had their case dismissed due to result of FBI Lab tests conducted. Lab concluded no evidense of decomposed squirrels
However I heard that Mitnik's office has been contacted and are considering taking their Civil Case against KC and the A's
Mitnik was heard saying "Do you really want to take on those Nuts"?
The door closed about that time and chattering was all that could be heard.

Joy Wrath should just go back home and shut the door. The state will have her so befuzzled so won't know what she said when.

JW will be lucky to make it through swearing in at the trial without being "baker acted". I think the defense is going to try to pin something on her, or use her to take away TES's credibility. I just cannot believe that the entire defense team is stupid enough to use her as a credible witness.
jmo

[Bala]

9/21/2009 Notice of Hearing Notice of Hearing FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA

Fresh off the Clerk of Courts records for the Civil Case. No clue as to the date of the hearing though.

Maybe the judge doesn't like being made a fool of in his own court and has decided to do something about it. DC can't be feeling very confident right about now.

[Dells]

Guilt is the most powerful weapon a child can use against a parent so this is possible. The biggest problem I have with this theory is Cindy having Caylee cremated. If she was feeling guilty why go against Casey's wishes and cremate her daughter. That reeks of a screw you moment from mother to daughter. I also don't believe that C&G knew that Casey had killed Caylee prior to July 15. I do believe they are helping to cover it up.

I think if the Anthony's are feeling any guilt, it's because they didn't try to control Casey earlier and they let Casey leave w/Caylee the night of the fight. They know Casey is responsible for what happened to Caylee. Personally, I feel that Casey and Casey alone is responsible for murdering Caylee. George and Cindy might not have been the best parents, but if Casey didn't like the way they did things in their house she could have left. She was an adult, and many young people, even younger than she was at the time she murdered Caylee, live out on their own and support their children. I do feel that the Anthony's are helping to cover up Casey's crime by outright lying for her and withholding evidence. For that they should feel guilty. Very guilty.

[desmom]

Does anyone know the date of this interview? The other pages at the end are dated 10/1/08, but I don't see anything on the interview. ???

Did George tell her Zanny murdered Caylee before the body was found???

On page 25 http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0612/19735490.pdf it is mentioned they are at Suburban Drive.

On 12/17, WESH reported: http://www.wesh.com/news/18299352/detail.html

One woman said off camera Wednesday that she was part of a Texas Equusearch team that scoured this area. She claims to have photographic evidence that proves the remains were not there when they searched. Investigators reviewed the photos and took her statement.

Video Report from WESH: http://www.wesh.com/video/18301280/index.html

[Jeepers]

JW will be lucky to make it through swearing in at the trial without being "baker acted". I think the defense is going to try to pin something on her, or use her to take away TES's credibility. I just cannot believe that the entire defense team is stupid enough to use her as a credible witness.
jmo

Fact is stranger than Fiction. In my opinion Jose would have a better chance of moving this trial out of state, out of the country, out of this world.
With all the motions they filed last week and the legal comments that were made." Looked like a law student wrote them" "cited wrong
laws"etc. Just filling the court system up with garbage. So Joy fits right in with his plan. If he can't get with facts, he will try to fool with garbage bambuzzle. Enter: Joy

I tend to believe who ever reported that Casey was filling her days reading law books. She might be working off her debt by being Jose's law clerk. She is not so good at it.:read: jmo

[really3997]

Fact is stranger than Fiction. In my opinion Jose would have a better chance of moving this trial out of state, out of the country, out of this world.
With all the motions they filed last week and the legal comments that were made." Looked like a law student wrote them" "cited wrong
laws"etc. Just filling the court system up with garbage. So Joy fits right in with his plan. If he can't get with facts, he will try to fool with garbage bambuzzle. Enter: Joy

I tend to believe who ever reported that Casey was filling her days reading law books. She might be working off her debt by being Jose's law clerk. She is not so good at it.:read: jmo

I believe it was Cindy that stated that Casey was advising Jose. (something like that)

[need2no]

excellent post (snipped only to address the 2 points)

lies of biblical proportions! her detailed explanation of who "zanny" is sounds like biblical geneaology (and adam begat cain and abel, and cain begat so-and-so...)

Perhaps casey decided she would drag this out until she was confronted an ongoing pattern. she didn't 'fess up that caylee was missing until confronted; and she led le down the hallway to her "office" until there wasn't any more hallway (lol! at this one, because even after she admitted lying about her office and working, she subsequently referred to "working")


Yes, and she had 2 years and lots of spare time to find a job while she lived rent free.

No doubt about it casey was a procrastinator of massive proportion, and her thinking was probably.... I will never put off till tomorrow, what I can forget about forever. Her procrastination in this situation has been her 'undoing'. She had a month to make an escape, or at least come up a better game plan. Still amazes me that casey thought she could toss this nanny story out there and LE wouldn't verify her story.
This from a person who watches CSI...she must not have had the volume turned up when the shows were on.

[need2no]

Fact is stranger than Fiction. In my opinion Jose would have a better chance of moving this trial out of state, out of the country, out of this world.
With all the motions they filed last week and the legal comments that were made." Looked like a law student wrote them" "cited wrong
laws"etc. Just filling the court system up with garbage. So Joy fits right in with his plan. If he can't get with facts, he will try to fool with garbage bambuzzle. Enter: Joy

I tend to believe who ever reported that Casey was filling her days reading law books. She might be working off her debt by being Jose's law clerk. She is not so good at it.:read: jmo


BBM

This IMO is exactly what the Anthony's have done from the beginning. They chose not to be truthful to cover for casey, or their own actions, or both. Instead they have tried to garble the events with their ever changing stories to make this as confusing as possible, and with the intent of creating some reasonable doubt about what could have happened to Caylee and when.

[Jeepers]

I believe it was Cindy that stated that Casey was advising Jose. (something like that)

Well then if Cindy said we all know it must be true. :rolleyes:

It has also been reported that George is also working for the defense.

I bet Cindy is beaming with pride over those two little busy bees.
Casey has come along way in this past year.
I see her writing more when she makes her court appearances. So I trust her writing skills have improved.

George might not be getting paid for work he is doing for Baez but, hey it is a start. Way to go George. Ya gotcha a job!

Maybe the next time Jose needs to write a motion he will let George pick out something in one of those big ole law books and see that it gets to Casey and maybe Baez will let her write it all by herself. No cheating Baez..Casey likes to work alone.

[Deannalynn]

Yes, and she had 2 years and lots of spare time to find a job while she lived rent free.

No doubt about it casey was a procrastinator of massive proportion, and her thinking was probably.... I will never put off till tomorrow, what I can forget about forever. Her procrastination in this situation has been her 'undoing'. She had a month to make an escape, or at least come up a better game plan. Still amazes me that casey thought she could toss this nanny story out there and LE wouldn't verify her story.
This from a person who watches CSI...she must not have had the volume turned up when the shows were on.

I still recall Cindy saying that if it takes Casey to rot in jail she will in order to protect Caylee. The they found Caylee's remains and she's still tight mouthed except Baez thinks he has some incredible defense all prepared. That's just Casey. She lies till the end where she is up against a wall. She is now up against a 7x12 wall and she still is playing her game. We have to now wait til sometime next June or July to find out what their defense is all about.
Doesn't the State have a right to know what kind of defense Baez is putting out there before trial so they can prepare accordingly?:confused:

[Jeepers]

BBM

This IMO is exactly what the Anthony's have done from the beginning. They chose not to be truthful to cover for casey, or their own actions, or both. Instead they have tried to garble the events with their ever changing stories to make this as confusing as possible, and with the intent of creating some reasonable doubt about what could have happened to Caylee and when.

I think this is a trait with the A's. If they don't want to deal with something they (like you say) garble the events.
George's gambling habits
George's suicide attempt with empty pill bottles and pizza.. Lots of pizza
Cindy when the car is brought back home, she goes straight back to work.
Casey is very good at it. Just get rid of Caylee and just thought she would deal with the consequences later.
Casey when being questioned by LE you can hear her or read her response with answerering a question with a question.
They tend to avoid conflict with deversion tactics, hoping maybe the subject would change, the distraction would divert attention somewhere else instead of facing whatever challenges they brought onto themselves.
In the meantime they continued to lie and try to put this on any innocent they could find or think of.

[Deannalynn]

I believe it was Cindy that stated that Casey was advising Jose. (something like that)

In other normal circumstances I would say that's a joke but then we are dealing with Baez and since he is clueless as to how to defend Casey he may be letting her run with it.
Cindy would say anything to make Casey look like she is the poor innocent one and she has to participate in her own defense. If this is true this trial will be a circus from the mess Casey has already created.

[need2no]

She's got this on Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/joyangels4caylee

Thanks bchand, I have seen that video-LK weird.

What I was talking about was a blog Joy had, or at least a blog where she frequently posted, (though I do believe it was her blog). I recall she said some outrageous things, blasted other posters, and even claimed she was writing a book about this case. Oh well, it's probably been deleted like other info in this case.

[Jeepers]

I fail to see the logic of Baez's desire to *perform* in front of a Hispanic jury/community/audience. Hispanics are also mothers and grandparents, and will be just as appalled at the defendant and her family as anyone of any other ethnicity.

For Baez to assume he'll do better because of his own ethnic background is absurd, offensive, and imo, insulting to the Hispanic community he presumes to represent.

Thank you for posting that. I feel the same way. If he is that prejudiced in his way of thinking, If I were the A's I would worry about him defending a white girl accusing a hispanic girl.
I think he needs to drop the race card.
People are people no matter what race. People love their children, People want justice, and they want the real truth.

[jaxback]

Thank you for posting that. I feel the same way. If he is that prejudiced in his way of thinking, If I were the A's I would worry about him defending a white girl accusing a hispanic girl.
I think he needs to drop the race card.
People are people no matter what race. People love their children, People want justice, and they want the real truth.

Once again, Baez fails to see the forest for the trees. If he really believes that he can use the race card to sway a jury because he is Hispanic, how does he think the jury might feel about the fact that his non-Hispanic killer client accused an imaginary Hispanic nanny of the crime?

Jose, Jose, you need to start thinking things through all the way to the logical conclusion - even when your own theory is illogical! :sneaky:

[Jeepers]

Once again, Baez fails to see the forest for the trees. If he really believes that he can use the race card to sway a jury because he is Hispanic, how does he think the jury might feel about the fact that his non-Hispanic killer client accused an imaginary Hispanic nanny of the crime?

Jose, Jose, you need to start thinking things through all the way to the logical conclusion - even when your own theory is illogical! :sneaky:

Poor Poor little Jose.

He has not done one thing right yet. It is bad when other lawyers are seen laughing at him. It is even worse when a lay person such as myself know that he ain't right and cannot be taken seriously.

[need2no]

I still recall Cindy saying that if it takes Casey to rot in jail she will in order to protect Caylee. The they found Caylee's remains and she's still tight mouthed except Baez thinks he has some incredible defense all prepared. That's just Casey. She lies till the end where she is up against a wall. She is now up against a 7x12 wall and she still is playing her game. We have to now wait til sometime next June or July to find out what their defense is all about.
Doesn't the State have a right to know what kind of defense Baez is putting out there before trial so they can prepare accordingly?:confused:

I LOL everytime I heard Cindy say casey stated she will rot in jail to protect Caylee....like casey had a choice! Ah gee...you know I'm tired of trying to protect 'that little girl', just go ahead and let me out of her...I'm going home. At least I protected her for a while by staying in the pokey.:rolleyes:

If Baez has a great defense that will shock all of us and get casey out of this murder rap, he sure is dragging his feet and making casey spend unnecessary time in jail comforting herself.

There is reciprocal discovery, but I think Baez is now back peddling by saying what Macaluso was referring to was info provided to them by the State, and from depos they have taken which I assume will be shared with the State.

One thing I always have to remind myself of when following a case...
the State made the charges and the prosecution has to prove them. The burden is on the State. The defense simply has to try to toss out some reasonable doubt and try to make excuses for her actions.

[sydney]

Once again, Baez fails to see the forest for the trees. If he really believes that he can use the race card to sway a jury because he is Hispanic, how does he think the jury might feel about the fact that his non-Hispanic killer client accused an imaginary Hispanic nanny of the crime?

Jose, Jose, you need to start thinking things through all the way to the logical conclusion - even when your own theory is illogical! :sneaky:

iirc, kc said zanny was black and puerto rican, right? do you think they'll get a black defense attorney as well?

jose really must think he's cochran.

[cassidy]

I LOL everytime I heard Cindy say casey stated she will rot in jail to protect Caylee....like casey had a choice! Ah gee...you know I'm tired of trying to protect 'that little girl', just go ahead and let me out of her...I'm going home. At least I protected her for a while by staying in the pokey.:rolleyes:

If Baez has a great defense that will shock all of us and get casey out of this murder rap, he sure is dragging his feet and making casey spend unnecessary time in jail comforting herself.

There is reciprocal discovery, but I think Baez is now back peddling by saying what Macaluso was referring to was info provided to them by the State, and from depos they have taken which I assume will be shared with the State.

One thing I always have to remind myself of when following a case...
the State made the charges and the prosecution has to prove them. The burden is on the State. The defense simply has to try to toss out some reasonable doubt and try to make excuses for her actions.


the operative word is REASONABLE. they might be hard pressed to find that.

[really3997]

iirc, kc said zanny was black and puerto rican, right? do you think they'll get a black defense attorney as well?

jose really must think he's cochran.

I picture him asking to address the jury in spanish and english so they can understand.

[sydney]

I picture him asking to address the jury in spanish and english so they can understand.

we don't know for sure that he wants to try and move the trial to southern florida to appeal to people of hispanic descent, right?

does he even speak spanish? sure hope it's better than his english.

[sammy62]

Guilt is the most powerful weapon a child can use against a parent so this is possible. The biggest problem I have with this theory is Cindy having Caylee cremated. If she was feeling guilty why go against Casey's wishes and cremate her daughter. That reeks of a screw you moment from mother to daughter. I also don't believe that C&G knew that Casey had killed Caylee prior to July 15. I do believe they are helping to cover it up.

I think Cindy wanted no evidence left to go over. So she had the body cremated.

[really3997]

we don't know for sure that he wants to try and move the trial to southern florida to appeal to people of hispanic descent, right?

does he even speak spanish? sure hope it's better than his english.

I don't know what the spanish word is for UM. but maybe someone can help us out.

[sammy62]

I still recall Cindy saying that if it takes Casey to rot in jail she will in order to protect Caylee. The they found Caylee's remains and she's still tight mouthed except Baez thinks he has some incredible defense all prepared. That's just Casey. She lies till the end where she is up against a wall. She is now up against a 7x12 wall and she still is playing her game. We have to now wait til sometime next June or July to find out what their defense is all about.
Doesn't the State have a right to know what kind of defense Baez is putting out there before trial so they can prepare accordingly?:confused:

I think she now knows she is up against a wall....with a bozo and his team. I think AL made it clear to Casey that she may get the death penalty.

[jaxback]

iirc, kc said zanny was black and puerto rican, right? do you think they'll get a black defense attorney as well?

jose really must think he's cochran.

In that case, JB is not just dumb but delusional. I may not have appreciated the success Cochran had with "certain" clients, but he was great to watch and listen to!

[Deannalynn]

I fail to see the logic of Baez's desire to *perform* in front of a Hispanic jury/community/audience. Hispanics are also mothers and grandparents, and will be just as appalled at the defendant and her family as anyone of any other ethnicity.

For Baez to assume he'll do better because of his own ethnic background is absurd, offensive, and imo, insulting to the Hispanic community he presumes to represent.

Oh PA-LEEZE...
This is not a smart move at all. Baez hoping to get an all Hispanic jury because he is Hispanic? Oh noooooo.:ohmy: Not smart!
The Hispanic people take care of their own 24/7. If there is one baby in the family and there is 7 woman, all seven woman look after that baby.
Very close knit family and Baez should know that. The fact that he is defending a white girl is even worse. Two totally different cultures. To know that Casey is up for murdering her baby will not rest well with a jury of this type. :rolleyes:

[sammy62]

we don't know for sure that he wants to try and move the trial to southern florida to appeal to people of hispanic descent, right?

does he even speak spanish? sure hope it's better than his english.

yes. he did a press conference once, in english and then is spanish. Might have been Casey's letter on Caylee's funeral. http://www.wftv.com/video/18675729/index.html

[Deannalynn]

I don't know what the spanish word is for UM. but maybe someone can help us out.

You noticed that too, really.
I sat and listened to Baez speak to a media (earlier tape) last week and actually counted how many "UM's" he did while talking outside his office. 34 to be exact.:rolleyes:
By the way there is no spanish word for UM...:laugh: (Uless dumb founded counts)

[Bala]

Oh PA-LEEZE...
This is not a smart move at all. Baez hoping to get an all Hispanic jury because he is Hispanic? Oh noooooo.:ohmy: Not smart!
The Hispanic people take care of their own 24/7. If there is one baby in the family and there is 7 woman, all seven woman look after that baby.
Very close knit family and Baez should know that. The fact that he is defending a white girl is even worse. Two totally different cultures. To know that Casey is up for murdering her baby will not rest well with a jury of this type. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the insult to the Hispanic community to assume they'd allow a baby killer to go free just because her lawyer is Hispanic.

[Sun]

http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf

Here is the new motion that Morgan/Mitnik has filed, to Compel DCasey's appearance at a deposition and motion for sanctions. It's a good read, very clear and to the point.

There is now an entry on the Civil Case court docket that a court hearing has been noticed. (no date on there yet though)

[Neffy]

Oh PA-LEEZE...
This is not a smart move at all. Baez hoping to get an all Hispanic jury because he is Hispanic? Oh noooooo.:ohmy: Not smart!
The Hispanic people take care of their own 24/7. If there is one baby in the family and there is 7 woman, all seven woman look after that baby.
Very close knit family and Baez should know that. The fact that he is defending a white girl is even worse. Two totally different cultures. To know that Casey is up for murdering her baby will not rest well with a jury of this type. :rolleyes:

Not to mention Casey is blaming it on a Hispanic Geesh!

[bchand]

http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf

Here is the new motion that Morgan/Mitnik has filed, to Compel DCasey's appearance at a deposition and motion for sanctions. It's a good read, very clear and to the point.

There is now an entry on the Civil Case court docket that a court hearing has been noticed. (no date on there yet though)

It IS very clear to me that Dominic Casey lied on the stand. Let's see what Judge Rodriguez thinks.

[Deannalynn]

yes. he did a press conference once, in english and then is spanish. Might have been Casey's letter on Caylee's funeral. http://www.wftv.com/video/18675729/index.html

I'm not getting anything on this link. Are you?

[Neffy]

It IS very clear to me that Dominic Casey lied on the stand. Let's see what Judge Rodriguez thinks.

Joe Baez LOL! I know typo but still FUNNY :laugh:

[bchand]

Joe Baez LOL! I know typo but still FUNNY :laugh:

huh?......

[Kathlb]

Well then if Cindy said we all know it must be true. :rolleyes:

It has also been reported that George is also working for the defense.

I bet Cindy is beaming with pride over those two little busy bees.
Casey has come along way in this past year.
I see her writing more when she makes her court appearances. So I trust her writing skills have improved.

George might not be getting paid for work he is doing for Baez but, hey it is a start. Way to go George. Ya gotcha a job!

Maybe the next time Jose needs to write a motion he will let George pick out something in one of those big ole law books and see that it gets to Casey and maybe Baez will let her write it all by herself. No cheating Baez..Casey likes to work alone.

And this from George who let it be known that he truly doesn't like Baez. Go figure on that one. This family who, according to Lee are so smart, seem to be consistently making really obtuse and fairly dumb moves in my opinion. If that weren't true, they would be telling much better lies and not ones that they have already told and changing them. :confused::tongueside:

[Sun]

It IS very clear to me that Dominic Casey lied on the stand. Let's see what Judge Rodriguez thinks.

Though hard to make out, I do believe that John Morgan signed this motion. I wonder if he will make an appearance in the courtroom this next time?

[Kathlb]

Not to mention Casey is blaming it on a Hispanic Geesh!

Yep, and I can't believe that this is going over well with the Hispanic community. MOO It seems that Baez is playing both sides against the middle. No one ever wins doing that.

[Neffy]

huh?......

Page 2 of motion

Question: Has anyone, Joe Baez, :laugh: any of the Anthony's ,
Cindy, George, Casey or Mr. Conway ever indicated to you they they wanted to waive your privledge in any way?

[Sun]

Whew, Dr. Phil is on today, talking about the Dr. Phil Family. The dysfunction in that family seems to be something that has not improved. Just as I believe that the dysfunctional Anthony family will never change.

[summer]

Hi all! Been away for a few days ... can someone bring me up to speed on George working for the defense?! Is that for real? :scared:

[sammy62]

I'm not getting anything on this link. Are you?

it works for me. have no idea why you can't get it. :sad:

[Jeepers]

And this from George who let it be known that he truly doesn't like Baez. Go figure on that one. This family who, according to Lee are so smart, seem to be consistently making really obtuse and fairly dumb moves in my opinion. If that weren't true, they would be telling much better lies and not ones that they have already told and changing them. :confused::tongueside:

There is a blurb for this type of speech:
Talking out of both sides of your mouth
That is what my mom says about folks that speak mis-truths, half-truths, or just plain liars.

[really3997]

Hi all! Been away for a few days ... can someone bring me up to speed on George working for the defense?! Is that for real? :scared:

SSH it is the first job in years don't ruin it for him:tonguewag:

[really3997]

State: George Anthony's Testimony Inconsistent
State Files Motion For Transcript Of Anthony's Testimony

http://www.wesh.com/news/21041514/detail.html

ten bucks says the response will be that George mispoke or his words were miscontrued. you know blah blah

[summer]

SSH it is the first job in years don't ruin it for him:tonguewag:

haha, ok ok. :smile:

[Dells]

State: George Anthony's Testimony Inconsistent
State Files Motion For Transcript Of Anthony's Testimony

http://www.wesh.com/news/21041514/detail.html

So will be there any consequences if he is caught lying? Can he be charged w/perjury? Maybe George and Casey can be convicted felon buddies by this time next month?:sneaky:

[summer]

ten bucks says the response will be that George mispoke or his words were miscontrued. you know blah blah

Or he's grieving. Can't tell the truth when you're grieving ya know. :mad:

[Sun]

State: George Anthony's Testimony Inconsistent
State Files Motion For Transcript Of Anthony's Testimony

http://www.wesh.com/news/21041514/detail.html

It's going to be interesting to see where the State takes this.

[really3997]

Or he's grieving. Can't tell the truth when you're grieving ya know. :mad:

My bad I forgot about the grieving drama. Hey what if this is Cindy's evil getting rid of both of them. :w00t:

[summer]

But seriously, has Georgie come out and stated to the media he's openly in the defense corner? (not that it's any kind of surprise but how did this come about?)

[summer]

It's going to be interesting to see where the State takes this.

I'm so heartened by this. He must've shoveled a whole load of manure in that depo.

[Bala]

State: George Anthony's Testimony Inconsistent
State Files Motion For Transcript Of Anthony's Testimony

http://www.wesh.com/news/21041514/detail.html
If a transcript is ordered from the court and put into evidence doesn't that mean the public gets to read them. This must be why the defense suddenly wants to say George is working for the defense and seal his GJ testimony. He must have told them what he told the GJ and the defense ain't happy.

[Sun]

I'm so heartened by this. He must've shoveled a whole load of manure in that depo.

I heart Morgan. :wub:

Judge Rodriguez appeared in the last hearing to rule in a way that I believed was all wrong. Let's see if he is willing to right a wrong, and if he did indeed make a bad ruling (based on false statements from Tennis/DCasey).

[summer]

If a transcript is ordered from the court and put into evidence doesn't that mean the public gets to read them. This must be why the defense suddenly wants to say George is working for the defense and seal his GJ testimony. He must have told them what he told the GJ and the defense ain't happy.

Ah, so I deduce it came out of Baez's mouth. This automatically makes George a hostile witness come trial time then (I guess).

[need2no]

So will be there any consequences if he is caught lying? Can he be charged w/perjury? Maybe George and Casey can be convicted felon buddies by this time next month?:sneaky:


Man Gets 15 Years for Lying to a Grand Jury


The judge said a perjury conviction is an "extremely serious" offense, especially when it relates to a grand jury.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20090902/NEWS/909025053

[Sun]

If a transcript is ordered from the court and put into evidence doesn't that mean the public gets to read them. This must be why the defense suddenly wants to say George is working for the defense and seal his GJ testimony. He must have told them what he told the GJ and the defense ain't happy.

Maybe Kat or Lapis will offer up their expert knowledge on this issue.

[summer]

I heart Morgan. :wub:

Judge Rodriguez appeared in the last hearing to rule in a way that I believed was all wrong. Let's see if he is willing to right a wrong, and if he did indeed make a bad ruling (based on false statements from Tennis/DCasey).

Gee I must be really confused now. I thought the state asked for the GJ testimony for the criminal trial and to counter that Baez is saying George is part of the defense. What do M&M have to do with this particular motion to get GJ testimony to compare with liar pants George's SA depo?

Help! :crying:

[summer]

Oh wait. So the prosecution is asking for the GJ transcript to compare with George's M&M depo and not the more recent depo he gave to the state? Maybe that's it.

I'm going under the covers now with my bible to comfort myself. Don't knock. :laugh:

[Dells]

Man Gets 15 Years for Lying to a Grand Jury


The judge said a perjury conviction is an "extremely serious" offense, especially when it relates to a grand jury.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20090902/NEWS/909025053

Wow, George better be careful. He could potentially end up getting more jail time than Casey.:sneaky: Seriously, why would he jeopardize his life like this for the person that murdered his granddaughter? I know Casey is his daughter, but still. As much as I love my family, I would not lie for them on the stand and possibly get jail time for them, especially when I knew they were guilty of the crime they were accused of. If he gets jail time for committing perjury and Casey miraculously gets off on some technicality, I doubt very much that Casey would visit him in jail. She wouldn't give him the time of day. I hate to be mean about this, but I hope the state pursues this to the fullest extent of the law. <<<------ Isn't that what George wanted LE to do w/the protesters who were throwing pennies at their house? :D

[Bala]

I think the State has been playing their hand close to the vest from the beginning allowing the A's to think they were getting away with lying the whole time just sitting back and waiting for the right moment to pounce. I think this is just the beginning where the A's are concerned. I still think there's something very fishy about Lee's lawyer backing out right after the depo that hasn't come out yet.

[really3997]

Man Gets 15 Years for Lying to a Grand Jury


The judge said a perjury conviction is an "extremely serious" offense, especially when it relates to a grand jury.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20090902/NEWS/909025053

But I thought he told the truth in the GJ it is just in the M & M depos and the SA depo he differed. please unconfuse me

[really3997]

Wow, George better be careful. He could potentially end up getting more jail time than Casey.:sneaky: Seriously, why would he jeopardize his life like this for the person that murdered his granddaughter? I know Casey is his daughter, but still. As much as I love my family, I would not lie for them on the stand and possibly get jail time for them, especially when I knew they were guilty of the crime they were accused of. If he gets jail time for committing perjury and Casey miraculously gets off on some technicality, I doubt very much that Casey would visit him in jail. She wouldn't give him the time of day. I hate to be mean about this, but I hope the state pursues this to the fullest extent of the law. <<<------ Isn't that what George wanted LE to do w/the protesters who were throwing pennies at their house? :D

First bold....Because Cindy told him too.
second bold. 23cents to be exact.:sneaky:

[summer]

Wow, George better be careful. He could potentially end up getting more jail time than Casey.:sneaky: Seriously, why would he jeopardize his life like this for the person that murdered his granddaughter? I know Casey is his daughter, but still. As much as I love my family, I would not lie for them on the stand and possibly get jail time for them, especially when I knew they were guilty of the crime they were accused of. If he gets jail time for committing perjury and Casey miraculously gets off on some technicality, I doubt very much that Casey would visit him in jail. She wouldn't give him the time of day. I hate to be mean about this, but I hope the state pursues this to the fullest extent of the law. <<<------ Isn't that what George wanted LE to do w/the protesters who were throwing pennies at their house? :D

IMO the ball-less wonder is doing it cuz his wife told him to.

[Sun]

Man Gets 15 Years for Lying to a Grand Jury


The judge said a perjury conviction is an "extremely serious" offense, especially when it relates to a grand jury.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20090902/NEWS/909025053

That article will probably go right over the Anthony's heads. They think they are "special" and that nothing like that could happen to them. JMO

[summer]

raises glass to really... :smile:

[summer]

I think the State has been playing their hand close to the vest from the beginning allowing the A's to think they were getting away with lying the whole time just sitting back and waiting for the right moment to pounce. I think this is just the beginning where the A's are concerned. I still think there's something very fishy about Lee's lawyer backing out right after the depo that hasn't come out yet.

What you said.

[Dells]

Gee I must be really confused now. I thought the state asked for the GJ testimony for the criminal trial and to counter that Baez is saying George is part of the defense. What do M&M have to do with this particular motion to get GJ testimony to compare with liar pants George's SA depo?

Help! :crying:

The could also be comparing George's GJ testimony to the testimony George gave when the state deposed him. Remember, not too long ago the state deposed George, Cindy, and Lee. Who could forget Cindy having to be escorted into her deposition by that policewoman?

[really3997]

raises glass to really... :smile:

:patriot: ..............

[summer]

But I thought he told the truth in the GJ it is just in the M & M depos and the SA depo he differed. please unconfuse me

I think it's more likely he lied bigger during the SA depo but I never assumed for one second he told the truth to the GJ either so nothing would surprise me. I don't think the guy knows how to tell the truth.

[Bala]

IMO the ball-less wonder is doing it cuz his wife told him to.
If they have the goods on him they probably have the goods on her too. In time they could be both facing prison time.

[martha]

I think the State has been playing their hand close to the vest from the beginning allowing the A's to think they were getting away with lying the whole time just sitting back and waiting for the right moment to pounce. I think this is just the beginning where the A's are concerned. I still think there's something very fishy about Lee's lawyer backing out right after the depo that hasn't come out yet. I think you or so right. I did not understand that when he backed out on lee and still think there is more to that than we know. There is one thing for sure we do know is the whole an;s bunch is covering for casey and want to get her out of this any way they can.Just hope it don;t work. It may be 10 years before we even have a trial. the def.keep doing things to get it put of. If casey killed her daughter which is a small child of 2 years old that can not devend her self how in the world can lyons get up there and say casey does not deserve the dp? That is as bad as the 31 days.How can any grown up kill a small baby and not expect to pay with their life? makes no sense to me. jmho:wub:

[summer]

The could also be comparing George's GJ testimony to the testimony George gave when the state deposed him. Remember, not too long ago the state deposed George, Cindy, and Lee. Who could forget Cindy having to be escorted into her deposition by that policewoman?

Right. That's what I think is happening. No need to dig for the M&M depo lies when they have another set already in their office.

[Sun]

But I thought he told the truth in the GJ it is just in the M & M depos and the SA depo he differed. please unconfuse me

We really don't know what he said in his GJ testimony. And, I imagine that the State is comparing it to the State's depo (rather than to Morgan's depo of George).

[summer]

That article will probably go right over the Anthony's heads. They think they are "special" and that nothing like that could happen to them. JMO

Yup, they got all comfy in their specialness. I hope the hammer is coming down on them sure and swift.

I'm outie all... nice talkin ! :seeya:

[Bala]

Let's not forget that if Casey is convicted the defense will need C&G to help get her LWOP. If they have been convicted of perjury in the case the word will be worth nothing.

[jaxback]

I think you or so right. I did not understand that when he backed out on lee and still think there is more to that than we know. There is one thing for sure we do know is the whole an;s bunch is covering for casey and want to get her out of this any way they can.Just hope it don;t work. It may be 10 years before we even have a trial. the def.keep doing things to get it put of. If casey killed her daughter which is a small child of 2 years old that can not devend her self how in the world can lyons get up there and say casey does not deserve the dp? That is as bad as the 31 days.How can any grown up kill a small baby and not expect to pay with their life? makes no sense to me. jmho:wub:

I don't think it will take 10 years to get Casey to trial, but look at it this way: if it does take that long, it's just ten years that we are guaranteed that Casey will be stuck behind bars.

[Dells]

Oh wait. So the prosecution is asking for the GJ transcript to compare with George's M&M depo and not the more recent depo he gave to the state? Maybe that's it.

I'm going under the covers now with my bible to comfort myself. Don't knock. :laugh:

:laugh: You're too funny!

Maybe they want to compare all 3? Maybe George told 3 different stories? Wouldn't put that past him.:sneaky: It will be interesting to see if the one w/M&M more closely matches what he told the state. I bet the GJ testimony is closest to the truth, and the one George is trying to backtrack on. Can the state use George's testimony from the GJ if he won't cooperate w/them now and tell them what he told them then?

[Dells]

But I thought he told the truth in the GJ it is just in the M & M depos and the SA depo he differed. please unconfuse me

Well, the depositions are still sworn testimony, aren't they? If they are, I think he can be charged w/perjury. If found guilty he would be a convicted felon. Maybe committing perjury to a GJ would carry a stiffer sentence in terms of jail time, but he still would be a convicted felon. It does not pay to lie and help a suspected child murderer get off scott free for murder, even if that person is your daughter.:sneaky:

[Kathlb]

State: George Anthony's Testimony Inconsistent
State Files Motion For Transcript Of Anthony's Testimony

http://www.wesh.com/news/21041514/detail.html

The beginning of calling to the table the Anthony lies. Should get VERY interesting since there are so many from all of them. MOO

[Deannalynn]

I think the State has been playing their hand close to the vest from the beginning allowing the A's to think they were getting away with lying the whole time just sitting back and waiting for the right moment to pounce. I think this is just the beginning where the A's are concerned. I still think there's something very fishy about Lee's lawyer backing out right after the depo that hasn't come out yet.

I think this is all very telling. They claim they are so honest and have been working with LE all along.
Well, I find it Interesting that NeJames dumped Cindy and George shortly after they hired him. He even gave back their retainer fee didn't he?

Now, Lee's attorney backing out of his relationship with Lee right after the deposition. (That has not been released yet)

Be careful Baez...:glare:

[bchand]

Page 2 of motion

Question: Has anyone, Joe Baez, :laugh: any of the Anthony's ,
Cindy, George, Casey or Mr. Conway ever indicated to you they they wanted to waive your privledge in any way?

lol oh ok Neffy. I missed that.

[need2no]

But I thought he told the truth in the GJ it is just in the M & M depos and the SA depo he differed. please unconfuse me

Are you just assuming George told the truth because the GJ indicted casey?

Could be the GJ saw right through George. And he could very well have said a few little truths....like the car smelled of human decomp, and casey didn't want him going in the trunk to get the tire props, casey has stolen and lied and so on, in order to appear like he was being truthful. These things were already out of the bag so no biggie to repeat this info. Besides, we know how George likes to pretend he is being compliant and helpful to those in positions of authority. Of course I'd guess he also told a few mis-truths, and in his anger at M & M or the State he forgot about what he said to the GJ when asked these same guestions by M & M and/or the prosecution. Merely asking them in a different way could have tripped George up.

We don't know how much, if any, of George's GJ testimony contributed toward casey being indicted for capital murder.

[really3997]

I think this is all very telling. They claim they are so honest and have been working with LE all along.
Well, I find it Interesting that NeJames dumped Cindy and George shortly after they hired him. He even gave back their retainer fee didn't he?

Now, Lee's attorney backing out of his relationship with Lee right after the deposition. (That has not been released yet)

Be careful Baez...:glare:

He is too much of a bonehead to quit. He still waiting for everyone to respect him

[Kathlb]

Well, the depositions are still sworn testimony, aren't they? If they are, I think he can be charged w/perjury. If found guilty he would be a convicted felon. Maybe committing perjury to a GJ would carry a stiffer sentence in terms of jail time, but he still would be a convicted felon. It does not pay to lie and help a suspected child murderer get off scott free for murder, even if that person is your daughter.:sneaky:

I believe the kicker is that the lies they both told and are telling were and are told to interfere with a murder investigation. Not taking into account their cold actions toward their dead granddaughter, that is a moral judgment. This is a felony to purposefully lie and hide evidence. And they have all done both with the latter being punishable by law. Not to mention that they lied to the FBI and Martha Stewart found out how well that goes over.

[need2no]

That article will probably go right over the Anthony's heads. They think they are "special" and that nothing like that could happen to them. JMO

Well maybe they will feel extra special when the day comes that they are hauled off to jail with the media trailing behind them snapping their pics. :cool:

[Imperfect4]

State: George Anthony's Testimony Inconsistent
State Files Motion For Transcript Of Anthony's Testimony

http://www.wesh.com/news/21041514/detail.html

Ha!

I've always assumed George mis-truthed in front of the GJ just as he's mis-truthed nearly every step of the way along with the rest of that odious clan.

I'm becoming more confident the grieving grandparents just might get what's coming to them. Seems to me the state gave them just enough rope to hang themselves.

[Imperfect4]

Oh wait. So the prosecution is asking for the GJ transcript to compare with George's M&M depo and not the more recent depo he gave to the state? Maybe that's it.

I'm going under the covers now with my bible to comfort myself. Don't knock. :laugh:

ROFL! :lol:

(See what happens when you leave us for a few days? :sneaky:)

[Imperfect4]

But I thought he told the truth in the GJ it is just in the M & M depos and the SA depo he differed. please unconfuse me

We have no idea what he told the GJ. Since he's as down with the mis-truthing as the rest of his family, I've always assumed he didn't tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth at any point in time. I honestly believe this family is literally incapable of telling the truth. It's not a pretty family portrait.

[Imperfect4]

If they have the goods on him they probably have the goods on her too. In time they could be both facing prison time.

<insert happy dance smiley here> :thumbsup: :thumbup: :patriot:

[Imperfect4]

:laugh: You're too funny!

Maybe they want to compare all 3? Maybe George told 3 different stories? Wouldn't put that past him.:sneaky: It will be interesting to see if the one w/M&M more closely matches what he told the state. I bet the GJ testimony is closest to the truth, and the one George is trying to backtrack on. Can the state use George's testimony from the GJ if he won't cooperate w/them now and tell them what he told them then?

I will guaran-dang-tee you he told three versions. Hell, the version he told to M&M doesn't even qualify as a "version." He claimed ignorance of all things Anthony over and over and over again at the Morgan depo. You'd of thought he just landed after months in outer space that very morning, he knew so little about what was going on in his own home, under his own nose. Pathetic.

I cannot WAIT to see where this is headed!! :w00t:

[martha]

I don't think it will take 10 years to get Casey to trial, but look at it this way: if it does take that long, it's just ten years that we are guaranteed that Casey will be stuck behind bars. You or so right and I keep forgetting that. I am happy she is sitting in jail. wish she was in gp tho. I don;t really know why it bother me so much that they don;t have a trial but it does for some reason. She is getting what she deserves right where she is. I should be very happy about that fact. I guess in some ways I am. I guess the thing that bother me the most is all the money the an;s family is making of off little CAYLEE and they don;t care one thing about her. Then I should be happy that CAYLEE is not with that bunch anymore because she is in a better place and very well taken care of and loved with all the love you can give a child. I guess I just get depressed about someone taking her life away before she got to grow up and be the beautiful lady she could have been. For the life of me I can;t understand anyone hurting a baby. I wish I could get Caylee of my mind and stop keeping up with this case because it is so awful. I know there or a lot of cases where children or killed by the ones sup.to be taken care of them I just don;t get envolved in them and really don;t need to keep this one on my mind all the time. From the time I heard about the 31 days I have not been able to stop thinking about her.I know all the good posters here can;t get her of their minds eather.I will just have to be pa.and wait to see what really happens in this case. Maybe the whole ans; bunch will go down for this after it is all said and done.thank you for reminding me casey is where she needs to be/love you jmho:wub:

[Numbers]

It IS very clear to me that Dominic Casey lied on the stand. Let's see what Judge Rodriguez thinks.

And don't forget to tell Judge R what you think of him:

http://www.ratethecourts.com/judge.php?id=152278

He currently has 634 votes as the "worst judge."

Vote early and vote often!

[martha]

Ha!

I've always assumed George mis-truthed in front of the GJ just as he's mis-truthed nearly every step of the way along with the rest of that odious clan.

I'm becoming more confident the grieving grandparents just might get what's coming to them. Seems to me the state gave them just enough rope to hang themselves.I sure hope you or right about the state given them enough rope to hang themselves. the state has been very quite about a lot of things. I sure hope they have somethings we don;t know about and will bring it all out at trial time.I think the state likes for c and g to get on these shows and spout off.they may bring a lot of that up at trial time. I do know people get out of things like this that they do but maybe casey will not get out of this. oj got out of killing 2 people but this case has a lot more pointing at casey and no one elce.jmho:wub:

[martha]

And don't forget to tell Judge R what you think of him:

http://www.ratethecourts.com/judge.php?id=152278

He currently has 634 votes as the "worst judge."

Vote early and vote often!Oh my I never heard a judge talk as much in my life. Ithought judges were there to listen to what the lawyers had to say. I think he wants his own tv show. I voted him the worst judge every.jmho

[Imperfect4]

I sure hope you or right about the state given them enough rope to hang themselves. the state has been very quite about a lot of things. I sure hope they have somethings we don;t know about and will bring it all out at trial time.I think the state likes for c and g to get on these shows and spout off.they may bring a lot of that up at trial time. I do know people get out of things like this that they do but maybe casey will not get out of this. oj got out of killing 2 people but this case has a lot more pointing at casey and no one elce.jmho:wub:

I hope I'm right, too, Martha.

I really can't imagine the Anthonys (George, Cindy and Lee, I mean) getting away with what appears to be a blatant attempt to obstruct the investigation into Caylee's disappearance and murder.

Maybe other families of alleged murderers have gotten away with things in the past, but the Anthonys are so outrageous in their behavior and lie-telling, that it just would not seem right to me to see them walk away at the end of this without legal consequences.

[bchand]

And don't forget to tell Judge R what you think of him:

http://www.ratethecourts.com/judge.php?id=152278

He currently has 634 votes as the "worst judge."

Vote early and vote often!

I wonder if anyone's pointed that out to him?

[Neffy]

Ha!

I've always assumed George mis-truthed in front of the GJ just as he's mis-truthed nearly every step of the way along with the rest of that odious clan.

I'm becoming more confident the grieving grandparents just might get what's coming to them. Seems to me the state gave them just enough rope to hang themselves.

I don't think it's the testimony in front of the Grand Jury that he "mis-truthed" about. It's everything afterward, after he got home and Cindy set him straight on what the "truth" would be from there on out.

[Sun]

I wonder if anyone's pointed that out to him?

If we find out that Judge Rodriguez has banned all press and cameras from his courtroom.....

[bchand]

If we find out that Judge Rodriguez has banned all press and cameras from his courtroom.....

lolol then we'll know.

[Dells]

You or so right and I keep forgetting that. I am happy she is sitting in jail. wish she was in gp tho. I don;t really know why it bother me so much that they don;t have a trial but it does for some reason. She is getting what she deserves right where she is. I should be very happy about that fact. I guess in some ways I am. I guess the thing that bother me the most is all the money the an;s family is making of off little CAYLEE and they don;t care one thing about her. Then I should be happy that CAYLEE is not with that bunch anymore because she is in a better place and very well taken care of and loved with all the love you can give a child. I guess I just get depressed about someone taking her life away before she got to grow up and be the beautiful lady she could have been. For the life of me I can;t understand anyone hurting a baby. I wish I could get Caylee of my mind and stop keeping up with this case because it is so awful. I know there or a lot of cases where children or killed by the ones sup.to be taken care of them I just don;t get envolved in them and really don;t need to keep this one on my mind all the time. From the time I heard about the 31 days I have not been able to stop thinking about her.I know all the good posters here can;t get her of their minds eather.I will just have to be pa.and wait to see what really happens in this case. Maybe the whole ans; bunch will go down for this after it is all said and done.thank you for reminding me casey is where she needs to be/love you jmho:wub:

Oh, Martha, I too think it is so sad that Caylee never got a chance to grow up and fulfill whatever her dreams many have been in life. So sad she had to lose her life when she was not even 3 years old. O/T, but my daughter is a Freshman in high school this year and she met a new friend in one of her classes named Caylee. Every time my daughter mentions her new friend's name, I think of poor little Caylee who will never even get the chance to go to kindergarten, let alone high school. It makes my blood boil.:angry:

Casey is so pathetic, she threw her life away too, and for what? 31 days of freedom? She actually threw it away before that w/all her lying and stealing. Such a waste, a huge waste.

[Julie Dupree]

I don't think it's the testimony in front of the Grand Jury that he "mis-truthed" about. It's everything afterward, after he got home and Cindy set him straight on what the "truth" would be from there on out.


I wonder if she made him a big white notebook:)

[Dells]

Oh my I never heard a judge talk as much in my life. Ithought judges were there to listen to what the lawyers had to say. I think he wants his own tv show. I voted him the worst judge every.jmho

I agree. The judge talked too much. He didn't even let the attorneys get a coherent thought or sentence out before he was interrupting them. He was making them lose their focus and momentum. If he wants to talk, fine, but let the lawyers at least make their points first. I guess I am just used to Judge Strickland and his manner of running his courtroom.

[Julie Dupree]

I hope I'm right, too, Martha.

I really can't imagine the Anthonys (George, Cindy and Lee, I mean) getting away with what appears to be a blatant attempt to obstruct the investigation into Caylee's disappearance and murder.

Maybe other families of alleged murderers have gotten away with things in the past, but the Anthonys are so outrageous in their behavior and lie-telling, that it just would not seem right to me to see them walk away at the end of this without legal consequences.


Have you read on any of the post what kind of sentence they could/would get if they are convicted of obstruction of Justice, lying, withholding evidence or any of the many things they have done to impede this investigation?

[Julie Dupree]

We really don't know what he said in his GJ testimony. And, I imagine that the State is comparing it to the State's depo (rather than to Morgan's depo of George).

Could the state use any of the M&M deposition?

[Rapunzel]

I'm thinking along the same lines KP. We know casey isn't a 'deep' thinking person, so it had to be something off the top of her head that she could easily go with, she probably thought it was ingenious.

Richard Grund stated to Nancy Grace:
"Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named..."

I could imagine prior to that day casey had already been getting vibes from Richard that he wasn't thrilled about casey dumping Caylee on them everyday. Clearly he was annoyed if he "met her at the door" with this inquiry. She had probably indicated it was going to be a temporary situation until she could line up a new sitter, then she never mentioned any efforts toward finding someone as the weeks passed so RG got PO'ed. Perhaps casey decided she would drag this out until she was confronted, then after milking this situation as far as she could she had a ready made response (that had a bit of truth to it) to immediately spew out to Richard.

Sorry...catchin up...KC just used the same stories over and over again...hell why not they always worked...

Yes, I truly believe she would have never had a baby sitter lined up until RG confronted her and whalah...as soon as he asks...she has one...NOT!!!... it was from this point forward...no one besides the Anthony family or KC watched Caylee...ever!!!...so if she wasn't with C&G...only God knows where she was!!!

[Rapunzel]

Jeepers, I have been looking at google earth and other resources and there is not a time stamp on these imagines. They could have been years ago. not a good resource for information jmo

Been there...done that and yes most are a few years old...

[bchand]

Been there...done that and yes most are a few years old...

They're very old yes. Bing maps are a little more updated. My one neighbor had a pool put in and it shows on Bing but still not on Google Earth.

[desmom]

playing catch up...

Poor George, I see he forgot the script again... http://www.wesh.com/news/21041514/detail.html
"testified at deposition in a manner that, to the recollection of the undersigned, was materially inconsistent with his grand jury testimony on some points,"

George before his grand jury testimony: http://www.wftv.com/video/17710722/index.html

slideshow from before grand jury: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17710938/detail.html (check out the last 2 pics, I think it is Joy Wray and her hubby.)

slideshow of G & C arriving for civil case depo http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19136976/detail.html

George before depo in criminal case: http://www.wftv.com/video/20289363/index.html

I bet things are tense in the A household this evening.

[Rapunzel]

JW will be lucky to make it through swearing in at the trial without being "baker acted". I think the defense is going to try to pin something on her, or use her to take away TES's credibility. I just cannot believe that the entire defense team is stupid enough to use her as a credible witness.
jmo


I'm sorry...this just struck me so funny...I'm still LMAO!!!

[Neffy]

What do you do with chili beans then?

Knit them little coats (chilly) :shrug: :laugh:

[Rapunzel]

I believe it was Cindy that stated that Casey was advising Jose. (something like that)

OK...stop it now...you're killin' me...LOL

[Sun]

from your link....

Ashton wants a judge to allow him to view that testimony and, if his suspicions are correct, unseal the information and provide it to Casey Anthony's defense.

I'd be sweating bullets. Is this the beginning of the end?

I sure hope that Ashton has a good memory. I'm going to be very interested to see how Judge Strickland rules on this. The defense is also wanting to get their hands on the "entire" GJ transcript of George's testimony.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by bchand
What do you do with chili beans then?
Knit them little coats (chilly) :shrug:

:thumbsup: Neffy, you win the prize today! :thumbup:

[really3997]

IMO, the Anthonys all have the idea that the State can't "prove" that they have told any lies.

But Sun. that is why she brought a camera to the M & M depo because she was tired of the Media releasing edited video to make appear to be half truthing it. IIRC

[bchand]

Knit them little coats (chilly) :shrug: :laugh:

ROFL Neffy......:punch:

[bchand]

I sure hope that Ashton has a good memory. I'm going to be very interested to see how Judge Strickland rules on this. The defense is also wanting to get their hands on the "entire" GJ transcript of George's testimony.

So we are to assume that George doesn't remember what he told the GJ? He could just tell them what he said since he's working with them now.

[Sun]

But Sun. that is why she brought a camera to the M & M depo because she was tired of the Media releasing edited video to make appear to be half truthing it. IIRC

Ah, perhaps Cindy will hand that tape over to the defense, in hopes that they can use it. Afterall, Cindy probably is steamed after learning that the defense has ponied up not a single bit of reciprical discovery to the State. (I think, maybe? )

[Rapunzel]

I LOL everytime I heard Cindy say casey stated she will rot in jail to protect Caylee....like casey had a choice! Ah gee...you know I'm tired of trying to protect 'that little girl', just go ahead and let me out of her...I'm going home. At least I protected her for a while by staying in the pokey.:rolleyes:

If Baez has a great defense that will shock all of us and get casey out of this murder rap, he sure is dragging his feet and making casey spend unnecessary time in jail comforting herself.

There is reciprocal discovery, but I think Baez is now back peddling by saying what Macaluso was referring to was info provided to them by the State, and from depos they have taken which I assume will be shared with the State.

One thing I always have to remind myself of when following a case...
the State made the charges and the prosecution has to prove them. The burden is on the State. The defense simply has to try to toss out some reasonable doubt and try to make excuses for her actions.

ITA...I think is prolly their best defense...serpentine...serpentine..

[Rapunzel]

I don't know what the spanish word is for UM. but maybe someone can help us out.


I think it's still um...:biggrin: