Caylee Anthony 9/21......

[Bala]

Assume SA files charges of perjury against George and he's called to testify in Casey's trial. If SA asks him about when he last saw Caylee:

(a) he can answer and possibly give SA the ammunition to throw at him in his trial.
SA: Mr. A, when did you last see Caylee?
GA: On the 16th.
SA: Well, Mr. A, in your grand jury testimony you said ....., so you must be lying. I'll give this to the SA in charge of your trial.

or

(b) plead the Fifth because his answer might incriminate him.
SA: Mr. A, when did you last see Caylee?
GA: I plead the Fifth.

A smart person would plead the Fifth.

But if George has no charges pending, he can't plead the Fifth.
The only problem I see with that is George may as well stick the needle in Casey's arm himself if he takes the stand and pleads the 5TH. Right or wrong the jury can't help but hold it against her. Why would her DAD need to take the 5TH?

[Numbers]

The only problem I see with that is George may as well stick the needle in Casey's arm himself if he takes the stand and pleads the 5TH. Right or wrong the jury can't help but hold it against her. Why would her DAD need to take the 5TH?

If there are no charges against George, he cannot take the Fifth. If he tries and refuses to answer a question, the judge will hold him in contempt = accommodations in the slammer.

This is why I think LE will not file charges against George (and Cindy and Lee) until after Casey's trial.

[seeing_eye]

I bet you would if it peed on your brand new shoes. :w00t::laugh:

My dog vomited on my chest last night. She woke me up when she tried to bury it in the blanket. I didn't kick her. I didn't even scold her. I just got up and cleaned it up and changed my clothes while feeling sorry for her for being sick.

[adair]

Hey all

I have been away from the board and any news about the case for well over a week....Can anyone tell me if i missed anything?

[Bala]

Hey all

I have been away from the board and any news about the case for well over a week....Can anyone tell me if i missed anything?
I don't know if I can say everything but here's the jist.
AL filed motion with the court asking for all charges against Casey be dropped if not dropped then COV to Miami or 2 other cities can't remember which ones but all 3 are in south Florida.
The State file a motion saying that George had inconsistent statements in GJ testimony and depo and want to have a copy of his GJ testimony.
DC lied in civil court and M&M has refiled to make him answer questions.
That's the short version. All the legal pendant say there's no chance the charges will be dropped and Casey will stand trial. No word on a date for the fraud case yet.

[adair]

I don't know if I can say everything but here's the jist.
AL filed motion with the court asking for all charges against Casey be dropped if not dropped then COV to Miami or 2 other cities can't remember which ones but all 3 are in south Florida.
The State file a motion saying that George had inconsistent statements in GJ testimony and depo and want to have a copy of his GJ testimony.
DC lied in civil court and M&M has refiled to make him answer questions.
That's the short version. All the legal pendant say there's no chance the charges will be dropped and Casey will stand trial. No word on a date for the fraud case yet.


Thank YOU So Very Much!!!!!!!!

Interesting about the GJ testimony........and DC, too.

[Katprint]

If there are no charges against George, he cannot take the Fifth. If he tries and refuses to answer a question, the judge will hold him in contempt = accommodations in the slammer.

This is why I think LE will not file charges against George (and Cindy and Lee) until after Casey's trial.
I respectfully disagree with the legal premise that a person cannot assert their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination unless charges are pending. So long as there is an identifiable, genuine likelihood of future prosecution (as opposed to some vague possibility, since everything is theoretically possible) then the privilege against self-incrimination can be asserted.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[seeing_eye]

Hey all

I have been away from the board and any news about the case for well over a week....Can anyone tell me if i missed anything?

Well, the state is asking for a copy of George's secret grand jury testimony, because they think he's said something different in their depo and want to compare the two testimonies.

[Bala]

I respectfully disagree with the legal premise that a person cannot assert their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination unless charges are pending. So long as there is an identifiable, genuine likelihood of future prosecution (as opposed to some vague possibility, since everything is theoretically possible) then the privilege against self-incrimination can be asserted.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
If George pleads the 5Th will all his testimony be stricken from the record? Can the State then use his GJ testimony? What reason would he use or would he have to give one. He can't very well say I've be lying under oath all this time and don't want to be prosecuted for lying again. And couldn't he be charge if he has already lied and the State can prove it so taking the 5Th might not save him?

[Katprint]

If George pleads the 5Th will all his testimony be stricken from the record? Can the State then use his GJ testimony?
If George pleads the 5th, he has to do it to a particular question or series of questions concerning a self-incriminating topic. Plus, it is not a retroactive privilege; if it were, then Casey could negate all of those pesky interviews where she lied and lied and lied to the police investigators and now she is being prosecuted for those false official statements in addition to Caylee's murder.

I predict the State will be permitted to use George's grand jury testimony to impeach him when he testifies at Casey's trial. I suspect George will take the 5th a lot and his prior testimony is therefore "inconsistent" with taking the 5th.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Kathlb]

If George pleads the 5th, he has to do it to a particular question or series of questions concerning a self-incriminating topic. Plus, it is not a retroactive privilege; if it were, then Casey could negate all of those pesky interviews where she lied and lied and lied to the police investigators and now she is being prosecuted for those false official statements in addition to Caylee's murder.

I predict the State will be permitted to use George's grand jury testimony to impeach him when he testifies at Casey's trial. I suspect George will take the 5th a lot and his prior testimony is therefore "inconsistent" with taking the 5th.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I suspect that the jury will get to see a lot of videos including the interviews with LE and the FBI. They will get to see GA and CA lying, changing stories and more. They really have impeached themselves.:angry:

[anon-o-miss]

If George pleads the 5th, he has to do it to a particular question or series of questions concerning a self-incriminating topic. Plus, it is not a retroactive privilege; if it were, then Casey could negate all of those pesky interviews where she lied and lied and lied to the police investigators and now she is being prosecuted for those false official statements in addition to Caylee's murder.

I predict the State will be permitted to use George's grand jury testimony to impeach him when he testifies at Casey's trial. I suspect George will take the 5th a lot and his prior testimony is therefore "inconsistent" with taking the 5th.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Thanks Kat I always love hearing your professional (and personal) opinions. I wouldn't think it would bode well for the defense to have the folks testifying on Casey's behalf to plead the fifth... I would think it makes them less credible in the juries eyes but that's just MHO... I'm sure there are scenarios that it would work, for instance if the A's were trying to get blame placed from Casey to them, but other than that I just can't see it being beneficial.

[anon-o-miss]

I'm not sure if the sunshine law applies to the Grand Jury testimony... Dunno.
I would think if it becomes unsealed and part of discovery it would fit within the guidelines of the Sunshine Law. JMO

[anon-o-miss]

48 hours happens to be very reputable and i doubt they would turn sleeze on the public. They will surely report everything the way it came down. Casey does not get a hall pass on this show.
I agree. I think they told the Anthony's "We'll give a fair an impartial version to the public." Which the Anthony's interperted as, "We're on your side." In actuality it means, "We're gonna dig up all the dirt you didn't want anyone to know about and expose you as the loons you really are." JMO

[anon-o-miss]

The cold case was in 1987! So long ago. And they just got him charged when they resurrected it as a cold case! He never thought he would go to jail I bet!

15 years to George A. would be a lifetime, or a great reprieve from being around Cindy all the time! He might just enjoy that better than his home.

Well, what with Cindy in control of his man bits and him being ex LE he'll be the bell of the ball in prison lol.:tonguewag:

[anon-o-miss]

That's probably what they did tell them. Anyway you look at it, the Anthony's will get a fat check for it and that's all that counts to them.:sneaky:
I'm just as upset as anyone about the anthony's raking in the blood money... Then I pause and remind myself that their penance is yet to come let them reap the spoils of their dead grandaughter. Every check they cash blackens their soul a little more. They can put on whatever front they want, but at the very least George knows they are raking in the proceeds of a deal from the devil. They can go to as many vigils as they want, wear whatever tee-shirts suit their fancy.... At the end of the day it's all the same... They sold their murdered grandaughter. Then trampled on her remains to protect her murderer..... They can put on whatever front they want to the public. I'm satisfied knowing at least one of them wakes up and looks themself in the mirror and can see the truth for what it is... That's something they have to live with for the rest of their life. The vindictive part of me almost wishes casey would get a slap on the wrist, then she would have to live with George and Cindy for the rest of their days... The thought of them being Casey's handmaidens for the rest of eternity brings a smile to my face.

[anon-o-miss]

Remember when Scott P. was on one of those shows (Diane Sawyer, maybe?) and he was all weepy, broken sobbing at times, oopsed when he said something like Lacey WAS a beautiful person...BUSTED! It was all downhill from there. But then again, this is the same guy who told Amber that he was in PARIS at the Eiffel Tower, too!

He kinda stopped doing those interviews after that, iirc.
:thumbsup: You mean that interview he was trying to force out tears but then stopped to answer or turn off his cell phone:rolleyes: lol yes I remember that.

[anon-o-miss]

I think I would avoid the shower area for awhile. If they asked me if I wanted a shower in the Big House and I had his background, I think I'd request the DP for myself. Or he will have to go to the Spring Cotillion with Bubba. Wonder who has to wear the Prom Dress. Not Bubba! George would look purty in pink..lol..

:lol: Won't be a big change he's had his own personal bubba for years now.

[Kathlb]

From your fingertips to God's ears, Bala!

I'm not a spiteful person IRL, but I'm so tired of these people getting preferential treatment when the rest of us lowly peasants would have gone down a LONG time ago.

I'm sure they do have it on her also. They already have it all and don't have to ask for a Grand Jury testimony that she gave since she didn't. You can bet they have all of her testimonys, interviews by LE and the FBI and television spots where she said something different also. She has always been the most vocal in that crowd. IMHO

[aproudmom]

I have no opinion on it either. I think we have hashed this out numerous times. This article I read was September of 2008.

Good morning.

he has been saying that for months so I really have no clue if it is true or not

[aproudmom]

Morning Legal!

Heard about it but have no opinion on it. Sorry.
But it seems we are alone here so I take advantage and try to find
out another thing.
O/T
Know you also posted on the Drew Peterson thread. Why is nobody
following anymore? What did I miss? There are quite some things coming
in a few days. 02Oct...Judge decides on change of venue, etc.
Why is there no active thread anymore? Maybe I missed a thing or two or three...., lol.
Perhaps you know?:blink:
Thx in advance!

Lucky

Have a great day today all of you!

I think it happens when there is no new news I have noticed just like this case

I have followed since day 1 but until there is new docs released I usually don't post just check in for updates...I got sick of seeing all the stupid things momma and daddy was out doing I had to stop reading about them and their circus of a show..but I will always be here when there is real news and when it is time for JUSTICE 4 CAYLEE...

[Jeepers]

Good morning Early birds,

o/t
I hope everyone had a good evening. It is not raining here this a.m. :thumbsup:
West Georgia is really flooded.:thumbdown:
I am praying that the rain stops for awhile and lets everyone dry out.
topic
I am hoping that we do get see George's GJ testimony. I think it will be interesting to compare his words to what we know he said.
George always has this pained look on his face when he tells falsities.
I bet he was wound up in a ball during his GJ junket.
He is not as good as liar as Cindy and Casey but, he is catching on. He needed to practice in front of a mirror for awhile before he tried his act out on the public. He is a slow learner but he is making remarkable progress. Maybe Judge Strickland can help him out with a few pointers.
Maybe Judge Strickland will give him something to think about.

[desmom]

I was looking for all of George's interviews with LE. I know there is one before July 24... July 17, I think, but I can't find it.

Does anyone have a link? TIA

I am curious to what George said in his interviews vs what he said in the civil case depo. Maybe it will give us a hint to what the SA's is after.

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning Early birds,

o/t
I hope everyone had a good evening. It is not raining here this a.m. :thumbsup:
West Georgia is really flooded.:thumbdown:
I am praying that the rain stops for awhile and lets everyone dry out.
topic
I am hoping that we do get see George's GJ testimony. I think it will be interesting to compare his words to what we know he said.
George always has this pained look on his face when he tells falsities.
I bet he was wound up in a ball during his GJ junket.
He is not as good as liar as Cindy and Casey but, he is catching on. He needed to practice in front of a mirror for awhile before he tried his act out on the public. He is a slow learner but he is making remarkable progress. Maybe Judge Strickland can help him out with a few pointers.
Maybe Judge Strickland will give him something to think about.

Morning Jeepers,
I am praying the rain stops soon for everyone in your area.
From what I am reading, lying to the GJ could be much worse than lying in his deposition. Do you think he would have lied to the GJ?
He had to know this was a major NO-NO.
Since the state is saying his story is inconsistent with his GJ testimony, I wonder if they are thinking he told the truth in his deposition and lied to the GJ?

[Sun]

I was looking for all of George's interviews with LE. I know there is one before July 24... July 17, I think, but I can't find it.

Does anyone have a link? TIA

I am curious to what George said in his interviews vs what he said in the civil case depo. Maybe it will give us a hint to what the SA's is after.

George gave testimony at the July 22 bond hearing. I don't recall anything earlier that that date, unless it would be the hand-written statement that LE got from George on July 16th.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! Reviewing George's earlier statements would be a great refresher. The State appears to be of a mind that George has changed his story since that time. If George has indeed changed his story, in hopes of helping the defense, he's just asking for trouble for himself. The State won't let this slide.

[Jeepers]

Morning Jeepers,
I am praying the rain stops soon for everyone in your area.
From what I am reading, lying to the GJ could be much worse than lying in his deposition. Do you think he would have lied to the GJ?
He had to know this was a major NO-NO.
Since the state is saying his story is inconsistent with his GJ testimony, I wonder if they are thinking he told the truth in his deposition and lied to the GJ?

I am thinking for some reason George told the truth to the GJ. I think that at the beginning George was so messed up over Caylee's death. George, to me was the hurdle Cindy had to jump to save Casey.
I think... don't quote me or send this across the news wires for some crazy reason George did the right thing during his testimony to Gj after that I think Cindy convinced him to save Casey and then the falsities started flowing from him too.
Maybe George thought his testimony to GJ was the only thing he had to worry about and lying in his depo was not crucial.
What do you think?

[desmom]

George gave testimony at the July 22 bond hearing. I don't recall anything earlier that that date, unless it would be the hand-written statement that LE got from George on July 16th.

Thanks Sun. A while back I posted about the lst LE interview with George I could find was dated July 24. Someone posted a link to on earlier interview. A search of the old posts came up with 500 hits. I am hoping someone remembers.

[sydney]

i found a video of george from july 18th. does this help/work?

http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/Caylee/Video/default.aspx

i haven't looked at it yet- boss is hovering

[Dells]

I'm probably posting to myself... but it's been the beginning of the end right from Day One.

What goes around, come around. It's only a matter of time. :smile:

I agree, since the moment George and Cindy have started lying and covering up for Casey, was the beginning of all their troubles. They just can't pull out the grieving grandparents card and get out of this. I hope in some way they are held accountable for their actions. I think even if ultimately they are never charged or convicted, they will be, in part, responsible for helping put Casey away for life or giving her the DP. The jurors are going to wonder why Casey's parents have to lie and cover up for her and I think it will help secure her conviction. The Anthony's actions are going to have the opposite effect of what they intended. Instead of getting Casey off scott free, they will help guarantee she gets convicted.

[desmom]

i found a video of george from july 18th. does this help/work?

http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/Caylee/Video/default.aspx

i haven't looked at it yet- boss is hovering

Thanks Sydney,that is a media interview. I am looking for a transcript.

This link http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=GRANDFATHEROS_071720081236&cat=Local&title=Grandfather%20On%20The%20Disappearance takes you to the 7/18 media report. Apparently this interview was done before LE showed the A's evidence of Cindy and Caylee being at the nursing home because the reporter said the last time anyone saw Caylee was June 12.

Thanks for looking. :seeya:

[Dells]

Thanks Kat I always love hearing your professional (and personal) opinions. I wouldn't think it would bode well for the defense to have the folks testifying on Casey's behalf to plead the fifth... I would think it makes them less credible in the juries eyes but that's just MHO... I'm sure there are scenarios that it would work, for instance if the A's were trying to get blame placed from Casey to them, but other than that I just can't see it being beneficial.

I so agree. It definitely will send up some red flags if George and Cindy plead the 5th when they testify for Casey's trial. The jury will wonder just why Casey's parents have to do that if she is in fact as innocent as she and they are proclaiming her to be.:sneaky:

[Jeepers]

I agree, since the moment George and Cindy have started lying and covering up for Casey, was the beginning of all their troubles. They just can't pull out the grieving grandparents card and get out of this. I hope in some way they are held accountable for their actions. I think even if ultimately they are never charged or convicted, they will be, in part, responsible for helping put Casey away for life or giving her the DP. The jurors are going to wonder why Casey's parents have to lie and cover up for her and I think it will help secure her conviction. The Anthony's actions are going to have the opposite effect of what they intended. Instead of getting Casey off scott free, they will help guarantee she gets convicted.

I agree, Cindy and George should have stayed in the house and pretended to be the grieving grandparents and worked quietly behind the scenes/ The all out assualt on the media/public was definitely the wrong approach. From day 31 Cindy blasted the media with telling everyone to get off their arses and look for Caylee later she was blasting everyone including T. Miller whom she contacted I think she was the one to make that call anyway..She wanted him to look for a live Caylee and in her words paraphase.. to shut up everyone and also calling everyone maggots and parasites.
They cannot use the grief card now. That horse is out of the barn.
I think LE tried to give them leway and tried to overlook their actions maybe thinking after everyone got a grip they would calm down and get back to reality. Le did not make a mistake by doing that jmo, but the A's never did get a reality check and now they have dug themselves a hole.
I am hoping that George was truthful in his testimony to the GJ for his own sanity but the chips will fall where they may and they are the ones to reap what they have sown.

[Dells]

I'm just as upset as anyone about the anthony's raking in the blood money... Then I pause and remind myself that their penance is yet to come let them reap the spoils of their dead grandaughter. Every check they cash blackens their soul a little more. They can put on whatever front they want, but at the very least George knows they are raking in the proceeds of a deal from the devil. They can go to as many vigils as they want, wear whatever tee-shirts suit their fancy.... At the end of the day it's all the same... They sold their murdered grandaughter. Then trampled on her remains to protect her murderer..... They can put on whatever front they want to the public. I'm satisfied knowing at least one of them wakes up and looks themself in the mirror and can see the truth for what it is... That's something they have to live with for the rest of their life. The vindictive part of me almost wishes casey would get a slap on the wrist, then she would have to live with George and Cindy for the rest of their days... The thought of them being Casey's handmaidens for the rest of eternity brings a smile to my face.

Bolding by me.....

Yes, wouldn't that just be a fitting punishment for George and Cindy if Casey did get off for murdering Caylee and then she went back to their home to live w/them?:sneaky:

On the surface, I think George and Cindy are trying to show that they believe Casey is innocent, but deep down inside they know she is guilty. If she did get off and went back home to live w/them, it would be like a ticking time bomb ready to go off. Remember when George purchased that gun and it was reported (by LP I think) that he planned to use the gun on Casey and then turn it on himself? I don't know if that is true, but can you imagine what it would be like if Casey ever did get out of prison? George knows the truth. Cindy and Lee probably do too. Everyone does.

I truly don't think that they could ever live together after this because the fact that Casey murdered Caylee would be like the white elephant in the room that nobody would want to address. Cindy would use that fact as a means and way to control Casey for the rest of her life. She would always hold the fact that Casey murdered Caylee over her head and I part of me wonders if on some level Casey would rather spend the rest of her life in prison rather than face her parent's wrath for the rest of her life.

If Casey ever did get off for this, I don't think she realistically could ever go back and live w/her parents again. I think they would have to cut ties w/each other. It will be interesting to see how and if they even interact at all after Casey is convicted. Will George and Cindy go visit Casey in prison? Will she even allow them to or want them to? On some level, I think their relationships w/each other are effectively over. After Casey's conviction, George and Cindy will probably go visit Casey, at least initially. But for the long term, I just don't know.

[sydney]

Thanks Sydney,that is a media interview. I am looking for a transcript.

This link http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=GRANDFATHEROS_071720081236&cat=Local&title=Grandfather%20On%20The%20Disappearance takes you to the 7/18 media report. Apparently this interview was done before LE showed the A's evidence of Cindy and Caylee being at the nursing home because the reporter said the last time anyone saw Caylee was June 12.

Thanks for looking. :seeya:

no problem. i am not nearly as good as you are links, so i'm kinda proud that that one worked! :smile: if you find what you're looking for, will you post it on the links thread?

i keep wondering about the june dates and how often they changed. i wonder what happened on june 9th to have that date forefront in everyone's mind as the last date caylee was seen. i realized the a's said they were mistaken, but for ALL of them to be mistaken is a mystery to me.

[Dells]

IIRC A. Lyons motion was to DISMISS the case? Or at least have a COV? What in the world does she think she has done that would enable Casey's case to just be "dismissed" . It is not a parking ticket. And if she wants it dismissed in Orange County - then why does a COV have anything to do with the reasons why she is in jail in Orlando to begin with?

If in some strange world they WERE granted a COV, then will she just ask them to dismiss the case wherever it lands at that time, too? I don't get it.

I think that AL is just going through the "motions" (pun intended :tongueside: ) in this case, and filing all the requisite motions that are required of her being Casey's defense attorney. She knew that there wasn't going to be a chance in Hades of this case being dismissed, so that is why she filed COV motion at the same time as the motion to dismiss. AL is just doing her job and doing what is required of her as Casey's lead attorney. The argument in the motion to dismiss that the whole case should be thrown out just because they think there was spoilage at the remains site because LE didn't allow them to be present there before Caylee was even identified, doesn't really hold any water because Casey was indicted of 1st degree murder even before the remains were found.

[Bala]

I so agree. It definitely will send up some red flags if George and Cindy plead the 5th when they testify for Casey's trial. The jury will wonder just why Casey's parents have to do that if she is in fact as innocent as she and they are proclaiming her to be.:sneaky:

Not only that but it will deem them less then useless during the penalty phase. Who will plead for Casey's life then?

[desmom]

Not the interview I am looking for, but one of those moments that makes wonder what the heck the A's were up to at the time. LE's July 24 interview with George pages 63-64 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we’re withholding information. And I tried to explain that to her as passionately and as... and again, George I’m gonna do my own investigation... you can’t do this. You’re gonna.. we’re gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep on screwing things... You got to back up.

[desmom]

no problem. i am not nearly as good as you are links, so i'm kinda proud that that one worked! :smile: if you find what you're looking for, will you post it on the links thread?

i keep wondering about the june dates and how often they changed. i wonder what happened on june 9th to have that date forefront in everyone's mind as the last date caylee was seen. i realized the a's said they were mistaken, but for ALL of them to be mistaken is a mystery to me.


If I find it, I am going to bookmark it and put it in the links thread.

Re the dates...If I had a granddaughter who had lived with me since birth and was suddenly not in the household, I sure the heck would remember how many weeks it had been since I had seen or talked to her.

jmo

[Jeepers]

Not the interview I am looking for, but one of those moments that makes wonder what the heck the A's were up to at the time. LE's July 24 interview with George pages 63-64 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we’re withholding information. And I tried to explain that to her as passionately and as... and again, George I’m gonna do my own investigation... you can’t do this. You’re gonna.. we’re gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep on screwing things... You got to back up.

That was so telling when George was telling LE that. I bet their eyebrows went up and red flags were waving in the wind. LE must have gone on high alert with George's statment regarding Cindy. From that day forward LE has had their number.
Cindy was already in cya motion before anyone else knew what was going on. I think Casey and Cindy had a little talk before this went full blown public. Cindy knew pretty much the story before anyone else and she was trying her best from day 31 to save Casey. I think George was kept in the dark for a little while.
I don't think Cindy told George everything that was going on. Reason I am saying that is George was trying to LE at first I think he was being as honest as he knew how to be, the interviews with LE increased his cooperation decreased. Cindy had finally shown him the light and he had to get on the bus or be ran over by the bus.

[Numbers]

I respectfully disagree with the legal premise that a person cannot assert their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination unless charges are pending. So long as there is an identifiable, genuine likelihood of future prosecution (as opposed to some vague possibility, since everything is theoretically possible) then the privilege against self-incrimination can be asserted.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I bow to a poster far more wise in these matters.

Please ignore what I said and read Katprint's post.

[desmom]

I really have nothing to back this up except for a "gut feeling", but I tend to believe that if George told the truth at all, he did so at the GJ.

First of all, Casey was indicted of 1st degree murder after the GJ and, in part, it could have been because of George's testimony. I also think that the evidence from the trunk was presented to the GJ as well, so even if George lied during his GJ testimony, Casey could have been indicted just based on what was found in the trunk of her car.

I also think that George was not fully on board w/saving Casey from the very beginning, at least not to the extent that Cindy was. I think he was struggling w/the real truth about what happened to Caylee and I think the fact that MN was The Athony's attorney at the time leads me to believe that he probably told the truth to the GJ. Or at least as much as he was able to tell the truth, him being George and all. :sneaky:

I think George is trying to back peddle now on some of what he said to the GJ and that is why there are inconsistencies now. I think if he changed his story at all, he changed it at the depositions with the state and with M&M. It will be interesting to see what happens now w/this and how this affects the case against Casey.


I agree. From George's interview with LE 7/24 page 5 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

Because if there’s, if we lost my granddaughter I’ve lost my daughter.

[Jeepers]

I really have nothing to back this up except for a "gut feeling", but I tend to believe that if George told the truth at all, he did so at the GJ.

First of all, Casey was indicted of 1st degree murder after the GJ and, in part, it could have been because of George's testimony. I also think that the evidence from the trunk was presented to the GJ as well, so even if George lied during his GJ testimony, Casey could have been indicted just based on what was found in the trunk of her car.

I also think that George was not fully on board w/saving Casey from the very beginning, at least not to the extent that Cindy was. I think he was struggling w/the real truth about what happened to Caylee and I think the fact that MN was The Athony's attorney at the time leads me to believe that he probably told the truth to the GJ. Or at least as much as he was able to tell the truth, him being George and all. :sneaky:

I think George is trying to back peddle now on some of what he said to the GJ and that is why there are inconsistencies now. I think if he changed his story at all, he changed it at the depositions with the state and with M&M. It will be interesting to see what happens now w/this and how this affects the case against Casey.

It will be interesting to see what happens and how this will affect this case.
That is exactly what I am thinking.
There was an interview George did at their home. George was standing in the kitchen area and was telling ever who was reporting that he wished Caylee had a knight in shinning armour to rescue her. I thought George was going to be her knight and stay honest and not let Cindy take him down but much to my dismay he could not stand up to her and followed the script.
I am not blaming everything on Cindy and making George seem better than her. I just think George could have been better and took the high road. Cindy picked her path from the beginning and George just followed her down.
George knew what he was doing was not right and he has struggled ever since. Cindy just goes with the flow.

[Sun]

Not the interview I am looking for, but one of those moments that makes wonder what the heck the A's were up to at the time. LE's July 24 interview with George pages 63-64 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we’re withholding information. And I tried to explain that to her as passionately and as... and again, George I’m gonna do my own investigation... you can’t do this. You’re gonna.. we’re gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep on screwing things... You got to back up.

Yes, that is one of those "ah ha" moments. I suspect that none of the Anthonys will ever be forthcoming with the information that they have withheld from LE. The Anthonys may get a surprise at the trial, in just how much that LE has been able to piece together from other sources though.

[Sun]

Here is the content of theMotion for transcription of Grand Jury Testimony (filed by JAshton Sept 17). Any typos are my own.

Comes now the State of Florida and moves this Honorable Court to Order the Official Court Reporter, to transcribe for purposes of trial preparation and discovery, the testimony of George Anthony presented to the Orange County Grand Jury held on October 14th 2008 in the above-styled cause. As grounds therefore the State would show that:

1. George Anthony appeared as a witness before the grand jury.

2. George Anthony testified at deposition in a manner that, to the recollection of the undersigned, was materially inconsistent with his grand jury testimony on some points.

3. It will be necessary for the undersigned to examine the testimony before the grand jury and, if the undersigned's recollection is confirmed, move this court to unseal the testimony and allow the undersigned to provide that testimony to the Defendant pursuant to the rules of discovery.

[bchand]

I agree. From George's interview with LE 7/24 page 5 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

Because if there’s, if we lost my granddaughter I’ve lost my daughter.

Plus, I recall something from him about "throwing his daughter under the bus." I don't know if that came out after the "suicide attempt" or not.

He regrets what he initially said (the truth IMO).

[Scampi]

I really have nothing to back this up except for a "gut feeling", but I tend to believe that if George told the truth at all, he did so at the GJ.

First of all, Casey was indicted of 1st degree murder after the GJ and, in part, it could have been because of George's testimony. I also think that the evidence from the trunk was presented to the GJ as well, so even if George lied during his GJ testimony, Casey could have been indicted just based on what was found in the trunk of her car.

I also think that George was not fully on board w/saving Casey from the very beginning, at least not to the extent that Cindy was. I think he was struggling w/the real truth about what happened to Caylee and I think the fact that MN was The Athony's attorney at the time leads me to believe that he probably told the truth to the GJ. Or at least as much as he was able to tell the truth, him being George and all. :sneaky:

I think George is trying to back peddle now on some of what he said to the GJ and that is why there are inconsistencies now. I think if he changed his story at all, he changed it at the depositions with the state and with M&M. It will be interesting to see what happens now w/this and how this affects the case against Casey.

I agree with you and Jeepers. Nejame made sure george was honest in that Grand Jury, imo.

cindy, lee and casey had no respect for george in the early days, imo. Not that they do now, but does anyone else recall cindy telling LE that early on she had to whip george into shape telling him he can't sit around all day crying over Caylee? That remark speaks volumes to me.

[bchand]

Here is the content of theMotion for transcription of Grand Jury Testimony (filed by JAshton Sept 17). Any typos are my own.

Comes now the State of Florida and moves this Honorable Court to Order the Official Court Reporter, to transcribe for purposes of trial preparation and discovery, the testimony of George Anthony presented to the Orange County Grand Jury held on October 14th 2008 in the above-styled cause. As grounds therefore the State would show that:

1. George Anthony appeared as a witness before the grand jury.

2. George Anthony testified at deposition in a manner that, to the recollection of the undersigned, was materially inconsistent with his grand jury testimony on some points.

3. It will be necessary for the undersigned to examine the testimony before the grand jury and, if the undersigned's recollection is confirmed, move this court to unseal the testimony and allow the undersigned to provide that testimony to the Defendant pursuant to the rules of discovery.

The question in my mind is -what took them so long to discover these inconsistencies?

[Kathlb]

The question in my mind is -what took them so long to discover these inconsistencies?

Just a thought, but they had to hear the depositions before noting that there were inconsistencies? The latest ones were only a few weeks ago.

[sydney]

mornin' everyone! (forgot to say that before)

IMO, ga was the most honest of the a's in that initial interview with le. i feel he really was trying to tell all he knew, good or bad, possibly shading the "bad" a little bit so it was not SO bad. i got the impression from his statements that he really did feel something was terribly wrong and that caylee was possibly dead at kc's hands.

it's too bad he forgot his experience in le along with his love for his granddaughter and his humanity, when he jumped on the bus and decided (or was coerced) into following the leader, so to speak.

if he had remained true to his original statements, been more assertive with cindy and declined to play her games and kc's games, i can't help but wonder if this case wouldn't have been resolved in a different manner, and a lot quicker.

[Jeepers]

I agree with you and Jeepers. Nejame made sure george was honest in that Grand Jury, imo.

cindy, lee and casey had no respect for george in the early days, imo. Not that they do now, but does anyone else recall cindy telling LE that early on she had to whip george into shape telling him he can't sit around all day crying over Caylee? That remark speaks volumes to me.

Yep, I remember that from Mistress of the Darkness saying that about George.
I was so wimpy about George when all of this started. I wanted him to stand up for Caylee and there were a few times that I thought he was getting ready to bust out with everything he knew to be true. I just wanted him to be the one to stand up for Caylee. I think George really was the only one in that Family of derlicks that understood what true love was and to him it was Caylee.
For some reason he shut down on Caylee and followed Cindy's lead. George has forgotten Caylee in all of this. I still wish (sounds crazy I just hold out hope for George for some crazy reason I just want so bad for him to stand up for Caylee) I just wish that something or someone would help him get back on track and let him be Caylee's hero and let Cindy, Lee and OC go to their Dark place.
I don't know why I feel that way about George maybe because he struggles so hard and looks so contorted when he lies.

[sydney]

I agree with you and Jeepers. Nejame made sure george was honest in that Grand Jury, imo.

cindy, lee and casey had no respect for george in the early days, imo. Not that they do now, but does anyone else recall cindy telling LE that early on she had to whip george into shape telling him he can't sit around all day crying over Caylee? That remark speaks volumes to me.

iirc, that was when she was talking to le and they were divvying up the "jobs". she had to find something for ga to do because he was pretty much useless at that point. i'll try to find the text.....

[desmom]

Plus, I recall something from him about "throwing his daughter under the bus." I don't know if that came out after the "suicide attempt" or not.

He regrets what he initially said (the truth IMO).

I had to look for the bus. I found it in James Hoover's interview with LE. James Hoover is talking about the morning George and he went for coffee. They were sitting in a lounge area. pages 12 - 13

Hoover: ....And he was just talking about the, actually it was real personal stuff like between him and Cindy. You know, just their problems that they were having. You know, that uh, they felt like they'd uh, thrown each other and Casey underneath the bus, you know, from comments that they made, stuff like that.

[Jeepers]

mornin' everyone! (forgot to say that before)

IMO, ga was the most honest of the a's in that initial interview with le. i feel he really was trying to tell all he knew, good or bad, possibly shading the "bad" a little bit so it was not SO bad. i got the impression from his statements that he really did feel something was terribly wrong and that caylee was possibly dead at kc's hands.

it's too bad he forgot his experience in le along with his love for his granddaughter and his humanity, when he jumped on the bus and decided (or was coerced) into following the leader, so to speak.

if he had remained true to his original statements, been more assertive with cindy and declined to play her games and kc's games, i can't help but wonder if this case wouldn't have been resolved in a different manner, and a lot quicker.

I guess we ate the same kind of cereal this a.m. See my post below yours!
Poor George.. Poor me I just keep hoping he will come through for Caylee in the end.

[zippy]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_GeorgeStatement071508.ht m Think this is the one you were seaching for, hope it is.

[Sun]

http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/PI/RHandbook01.nsf/1119bd38ae090a748525676f0053b606/badd5b4fce22d788852569cb004cc254?OpenDocument

This is a good overview. After reading it though, I'm wondering if Judge Strickland will deny the State's request for the Grand Jury transcript of George's testimony.

Can you imagine how George is feeling, thinking that his Grand Jury testimony would forever be kept secret, only to now hear that the State is wanting to have it transcribed and possibly parts of it provided to the defense? That Casey could find out what he said.

[sydney]

I guess we ate the same kind of cereal this a.m. See my post below yours!
Poor George.. Poor me I just keep hoping he will come through for Caylee in the end.

guess i'll have to either read or type faster!

i also think lee was trying to be honest, within cindy's boundaries. i believe if she wasn't in the picture this whole thing would have turned out completely different. cindy is the lynchpin that holds these people back from telling the truth.

[bchand]

I had to look for the bus. I found it in James Hoover's interview with LE. James Hoover is talking about the morning George and he went for coffee. They were sitting in a lounge area. pages 12 - 13

Hoover: ....And he was just talking about the, actually it was real personal stuff like between him and Cindy. You know, just their problems that they were having. You know, that uh, they felt like they'd uh, thrown each other and Casey underneath the bus, you know, from comments that they made, stuff like that.

Thank you des. I was too lazy to go follow up and look for that link this morning.

[Bala]

http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/PI/RHandbook01.nsf/1119bd38ae090a748525676f0053b606/badd5b4fce22d788852569cb004cc254?OpenDocument

This is a good overview. After reading it though, I'm wondering if Judge Strickland will deny the State's request for the Grand Jury transcript of George's testimony.

Can you imagine how George is feeling, thinking that his Grand Jury testimony would forever be kept secret, only to now hear that the State is wanting to have it transcribed and possibly parts of it provided to the defense? That Casey could find out what he said.
He should have thought of that before he decided to lie and cover up. What should the State do just turn their back on G's perjury so no one's feelings get hurt.

[Jeepers]

guess i'll have to either read or type faster!

i also think lee was trying to be honest, within cindy's boundaries. i believe if she wasn't in the picture this whole thing would have turned out completely different. cindy is the lynchpin that holds these people back from telling the truth.

I agree Cindy is just evil.

[desmom]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_GeorgeStatement071508.ht m Think this is the one you were seaching for, hope it is.

Thanks for looking, but that is a typed copy of his handwritten statement he gave to LE.

You know maybe I dreamed it. The first transcript I can find of an interview between George and LE are dated 7/24. I just can't imagine LE would not interview G and/or C a week after Caylee was reported missing.

I do find it interesting that George wrote "my spouse was in our garage cryingl, upset & told me that Caylee Marie (our grand daughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany."

Does anyone else thing the wording makes it sound like this is a name George has never heard before?

jmo

[cassidy]

I guess we ate the same kind of cereal this a.m. See my post below yours!
Poor George.. Poor me I just keep hoping he will come through for Caylee in the end.


I used to hope that too Jeepers. But I really don't think he's going to. While he still has the ability to remember Caylee, he doesn't seem to have the gumption required to go to bat for her. Too bad, he could have been her true hero :(

[Sun]

Thanks for looking, but that is a typed copy of his handwritten statement he gave to LE.

You know maybe I dreamed it. The first transcript I can find of an interview between George and LE are dated 7/24. I just can't imagine LE would not interview G and/or C a week after Caylee was reported missing.

I do find it interesting that George wrote "my spouse was in our garage cryingl, upset & told me that Caylee Marie (our grand daughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany."

Does anyone else thing the wording makes it sound like this is a name George has never heard before?

jmo

Yes, I agree. This statement made by George also makes me wonder if Cindy had been talking with George from June 15th through July 15th, in regards to where and what Casey was telling her by phone.

[cassidy]

Thanks for looking, but that is a typed copy of his handwritten statement he gave to LE.

You know maybe I dreamed it. The first transcript I can find of an interview between George and LE are dated 7/24. I just can't imagine LE would not interview G and/or C a week after Caylee was reported missing.

I do find it interesting that George wrote "my spouse was in our garage cryingl, upset & told me that Caylee Marie (our grand daughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany."

Does anyone else thing the wording makes it sound like this is a name George has never heard before?

jmo


The Anthony's are odd in that respect. It's " that little girl, my spouse, my daughter, etc" . They tend to generalize rather that personalize people. Weird I'll tell ya.

JMO

[sydney]

The Anthony's are odd in that respect. It's " that little girl, my spouse, my daughter, etc" . They tend to generalize rather that personalize people. Weird I'll tell ya.

JMO

to me, his phrasing sounds like he's reverted to his law enforcement officer speak. just the facts, ma'am.

[desmom]

While looking for the earlier interview, I ran across this news article from 7/21/08. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/20/caylee_last_spoke_with_mother_tuesday.html Cindy is quoted in the article.

“Her plan was to get us all back together, and I think her plan has changed and I think that's what happened,” said Cindy Anthony. “Her plan changed halfway through, and she doesn't know where it’s at right now. I truly believe Casey knows who has Caylee but it's code name. That's why they can't find that person just yet.”

What did she say? Is she saying Casey lost the script? :lol:

[apothecary]

I thought George's lies and defensive attitude started after Casey was at home and she yelled at him."Why don't you stop being a cop and be a dad for a change"or something like that.After that George really changed and was less forthcoming.

[cassidy]

to me, his phrasing sounds like he's reverted to his law enforcement officer speak. just the facts, ma'am.

It does, except that Cindy tends to do it too. :shrug:

[Jeepers]

I used to hope that too Jeepers. But I really don't think he's going to. While he still has the ability to remember Caylee, he doesn't seem to have the gumption required to go to bat for her. Too bad, he could have been her true hero :(

I agree, But hey look on the bright side he has that Niffy Little Boat to ride around in and Cindy has a brand new wardrobe with Jewels to match.
Those designer tank tops are not cheap ya know!
Yep, I guess Hero's are not in big demand these days.

[Numbers]

It does, except that Cindy tends to do it too. :shrug:

So does Casey. I think it's an offshoot of the old using-big-words-so-I-sound-smart syndrome.

[cassidy]

I agree, But hey look on the bright side he has that Niffy Little Boat to ride around in and Cindy has a brand new wardrobe with Jewels to match.
Those designer tank tops are not cheap ya know!
Yep, I guess Hero's are not in big demand these days.

Especially if you only get to be a hero to a little 2 year old murder victim. :sad:

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I just don;t get to come to the board like I really want to so I can keep up with everything. Thanks to all of you that when I do get to come and read I get some of what is going on. I guess I need to check the links and maybe I would be able to keep up.I jsut don;t understand what grounds they want to throw this case out on casey? I don;t think george will ever stand up for CAYLEE even tho I think he loved her but he is not going to cross cindy now with all the money they or making she would not let him have one dime of it if he does not do what she tells him to do and say. The an;s will make money from this case for many years down the road. they all will never have to work again. One reason they want to go on all the tv shows.Casey may not get the dp but I think she is right where she will be for the rest of her life. If jb had anything he would have gotten her out of jail a long time ago.I know jb and the rest of them will put the blame on someone elce just don;t know who it will be. When I look at a picture of all the an;s I just see a bunch of lyers and no truth in them.You can see evil in casey;s eyes. I do wish the an;s would have to pay for all the lawyers that the people they have drug into this mess or having to pay. If I was one of them I would not have the money to pay a lawyer and I am sure some of the young people don;t have it eather. The an;s need to pay the state of fl.back for all it cost on this case too.I know they will never have to do that but I sure wish they would have to do that. I am just waiting for them to buy a new house in a gated comm.and move to that. I will always think casey was into drugs not the hard stuff but the speed. Why would she expect le to believe all the lyes she has told them.I have not heard her say one word of truth since this started same with all the an;s. maybe after the tiral is over they will charge c,g and lee and it seems like mallory might be in on all of this too. I am sorry for the rant this morning but just makes me sick when I think about this whole family and how and what they or doing to make money for them selfs. WE NEED SOMEONE IN COURT TO STAND UP FOR CAYLEE. it sure is not going to be the an;s.jmho:wub:

[martha]

I so agree w/you. George could have taken the high road by helping seek justice for Caylee.

Casey is responsible for what she did to Caylee and George should have just let the chips fall where ever they landed. By choosing to lie and cover up for Casey, he not only is disrespecting Caylee' memory, but he is probably making things worse for his daughter as well. Not to mention the serious problems he is potentially creating for himself as well.

I wonder how different this case would be if George and Cindy would have stood up for the truth instead of just blindly supporting Casey and helping her to get off for this murder? Their actions now mimic how they have treated Casey her whole life. They have always been enablers and they are no different now.

If they would have stood up for the truth, Casey might have confessed or at least cooperated more fully w/LE. This case may already have been over by now and ultimately Casey may have gotten a lighter sentence than she is probably going to get. The way I see it, is that Casey is either going to get the DP or LWOP. Any other sentence is better than that.

The Anthony's are showing their undying support to Casey right now, and she isn't even giving them the time of day. Seriously, how much worse could it be for them if they would have stood up for the truth instead? I have a feeling that Casey doesn't want to have anything to do w/her parents now, or ever. If convicted, I bet she continues to refuse to see them, and if somehow she is miraculously acquitted of this crime, she will cut ties w/them and never see them again. The Anthony's could have done the right thing and stood up for their beautiful little granddaughter who was senselessly and brutally murdered. But they chose not to. So sad. It truly just compounds this already horrendous tragedy.

AMEN you or so right and I agree with every word you posted.wish I could explain my self like you do.great post honey.jmho:wub:

[Jeepers]

I so agree w/you. George could have taken the high road by helping seek justice for Caylee.

Casey is responsible for what she did to Caylee and George should have just let the chips fall where ever they landed. By choosing to lie and cover up for Casey, he not only is disrespecting Caylee' memory, but he is probably making things worse for his daughter as well. Not to mention the serious problems he is potentially creating for himself as well.

I wonder how different this case would be if George and Cindy would have stood up for the truth instead of just blindly supporting Casey and helping her to get off for this murder? Their actions now mimic how they have treated Casey her whole life. They have always been enablers and they are no different now.

If they would have stood up for the truth, Casey might have confessed or at least cooperated more fully w/LE. This case may already have been over by now and ultimately Casey may have gotten a lighter sentence than she is probably going to get. The way I see it, is that Casey is either going to get the DP or LWOP. Any other sentence is better than that.

The Anthony's are showing their undying support to Casey right now, and she isn't even giving them the time of day. Seriously, how much worse could it be for them if they would have stood up for the truth instead? I have a feeling that Casey doesn't want to have anything to do w/her parents now, or ever. If convicted, I bet she continues to refuse to see them, and if somehow she is miraculously acquitted of this crime, she will cut ties w/them and never see them again. The Anthony's could have done the right thing and stood up for their beautiful little granddaughter who was senselessly and brutally murdered. But they chose not to. So sad. It truly just compounds this already horrendous tragedy.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825540/Casey-Anthony-CindyRickShirley-emails

This is the link to Ricks e-mails to Cindy talking about Casey being a liar and how George and Cindy have enabled Casey all her life.
Casey's behavior is nothing new.

I don't know why Casey does not want to see them. They have done everything she wanted them to do except get her out. It seems to me she would be wanting to stay close to make sure everyone follows the script.

[Jeepers]

Good morning everyone, I just don;t get to come to the board like I really want to so I can keep up with everything. Thanks to all of you that when I do get to come and read I get some of what is going on. I guess I need to check the links and maybe I would be able to keep up.I jsut don;t understand what grounds they want to throw this case out on casey? I don;t think george will ever stand up for CAYLEE even tho I think he loved her but he is not going to cross cindy now with all the money they or making she would not let him have one dime of it if he does not do what she tells him to do and say. The an;s will make money from this case for many years down the road. they all will never have to work again. One reason they want to go on all the tv shows.Casey may not get the dp but I think she is right where she will be for the rest of her life. If jb had anything he would have gotten her out of jail a long time ago.I know jb and the rest of them will put the blame on someone elce just don;t know who it will be. When I look at a picture of all the an;s I just see a bunch of lyers and no truth in them.You can see evil in casey;s eyes. I do wish the an;s would have to pay for all the lawyers that the people they have drug into this mess or having to pay. If I was one of them I would not have the money to pay a lawyer and I am sure some of the young people don;t have it eather. The an;s need to pay the state of fl.back for all it cost on this case too.I know they will never have to do that but I sure wish they would have to do that. I am just waiting for them to buy a new house in a gated comm.and move to that. I will always think casey was into drugs not the hard stuff but the speed. Why would she expect le to believe all the lyes she has told them.I have not heard her say one word of truth since this started same with all the an;s. maybe after the tiral is over they will charge c,g and lee and it seems like mallory might be in on all of this too. I am sorry for the rant this morning but just makes me sick when I think about this whole family and how and what they or doing to make money for them selfs. WE NEED SOMEONE IN COURT TO STAND UP FOR CAYLEE. it sure is not going to be the an;s.jmho:wub:

Martha, I agree with you about the drugs. The talk has been mainly xanx but I think Ms. Casey was doing a little more than just smoking a joint. I know it has not been reported but I was thinking about speed a while back when the phone records came out.
How is your Hubby doing? I hope you are doing well.

[sydney]

Pages 144 of cindy’s april 21, 2009 statement to scott bolin and steve mcelyea of the fbi:

sb: have you ever known her to experience guilt or remorse over her actions?

ca: um, i've never seen it. i mean i think we all feel guilty in our life about different things. my husband and i feel guilty we didn't notice things earlier. but you can't do that to yourself. so, i can't say that she didn't feel guilty or remorse about something in her life. but it wasn't evident.

sb: nothing that stands out.

ca: nothing evident about anything. um, i mean i could sit back here and play out the last six months feel guilty and pick myself apart. but..

sb: let's...let's ask, i'll ask one question it's kind of specific to what we're talking about here in the last two weeks that you've been having contact with her where she is now. has she expressed any guilt or remorse over the situation?

ca: no guilt. and all she's worried about is caylee's wellbeing. i mean it's...

sb: okay.

ca: i don't see any remorse because i don't..i don't see it from her because i don't think she feels there's anything that she's done. she maintains that caylee was taken from her. i mean i haven't seen...i haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that she has anything to do with this.

(italics and bold is mine)

wow! does anyone find this as chilling as i do? it seems that the whole family lives the "oh well, what's done is done" philosophy. not only that, didn't kc say that she gave caylee to someone who betrayed her? but she doesn't feel guilty or remorseful because of that? she's just "worried" about caylee's wellbeing? not when this allegedly first occurred, but now that she's caught?

"didn't notice things earlier?" they had every chance in the world prior to this tragedy to find out about invisi-nanny, kc's "job", etc. but they chose to turn a blind eye to it. it was a CHOICE to not "notice things earlier".

this whole family suffers from the "it's not me" and "not my problem" mentality.

[sydney]

“Her plan was to get us all back together, and I think her plan has changed and I think that's what happened,” said Cindy Anthony. “Her plan changed halfway through, and she doesn't know where it’s at right now. I truly believe Casey knows who has Caylee but it's code name. That's why they can't find that person just yet.”

What did she say? Is she saying Casey lost the script? :lol:

(snipped by me - bold is mine)

sounds like that to me yeah, she didn't know where it was at. wouldn't the term "goal" have been more appropriate than "plan"? and, as you say, kc was supposed to be following invisi-nanny's script that presumably included stealing, partying your butt off, drinking to excess and sleeping around. sounds to me like she kept that part of the "script" but threw the part about finding caylee away - perhaps because that was too boring.

[jammies]

Sydney,

Yes, very chilling. I feel like we are getting a peek at the dark side of humanity. Shudder to think how many others out there have the same outlook and lack of human decency.

[Jeepers]

Pages 144 of cindy’s april 21, 2009 statement to scott bolin and steve mcelyea of the fbi:

sb: have you ever known her to experience guilt or remorse over her actions?

ca: um, i've never seen it. i mean i think we all feel guilty in our life about different things. my husband and i feel guilty we didn't notice things earlier. but you can't do that to yourself. so, i can't say that she didn't feel guilty or remorse about something in her life. but it wasn't evident.

sb: nothing that stands out.

ca: nothing evident about anything. um, i mean i could sit back here and play out the last six months feel guilty and pick myself apart. but..

sb: let's...let's ask, i'll ask one question it's kind of specific to what we're talking about here in the last two weeks that you've been having contact with her where she is now. has she expressed any guilt or remorse over the situation?

ca: no guilt. and all she's worried about is caylee's wellbeing. i mean it's...

sb: okay.

ca: i don't see any remorse because i don't..i don't see it from her because i don't think she feels there's anything that she's done. she maintains that caylee was taken from her. i mean i haven't seen...i haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that she has anything to do with this.
(italics and bold is mine)

wow! does anyone find this as chilling as i do? it seems that the whole family lives the "oh well, what's done is done" philosophy. not only that, didn't kc say that she gave caylee to someone who betrayed her? but she doesn't feel guilty or remorseful because of that? she's just "worried" about caylee's wellbeing? not when this allegedly first occurred, but now that she's caught?

this whole family suffers from the "it's not me" and "not my problem" mentality.

This group has a bad case of the "Oh Wells" Bolding yours.. Casey feels no remorse.. Casey feels that Caylee was taken from her... no remorse
There a thing MOST people suffer with that have gone through a trumatic experiences it is called Survivors Guilt.
When something tragic happens we read a lot of times of how the suvivors feel gulity that they are still alive and have trouble coping with the Why Them and Not Me . Not ole Casey she feels nothing when a girl jumps on her holds her down rolls her in the grass another perp the sister snatches her child away from her runs to an awaiting car while Casey is being held against her will telling Casey to follow this script jumps in her car and leaves with Caylee. Casey feels no guilt or remorse. Just Oh well Caylee is gone.

[really3997]

The whole family has a strange way of speaking. It must be in their genes and Casey and Lee picked it up from their parents as well. They want to sound more important and more intelligent than they are.

To me it just sounds like no emotion. The are parents, children, uncle and grandparents in name only. A life of one out doing the other. JMO

[sydney]

Not ole Casey she feels nothing when a girl jumps on her holds her down rolls her in the grass another perp the sister snatches her child away from her runs to an awaiting car while Casey is being held against her will telling Casey to follow this script jumps in her car and leaves with Caylee.

(snipped by me)

hey, jeeps - i think she gave that story out because the first one was too boring "i just dropped caylee off as usual". this sounds like she was fighting for her child's life (in her own mind at least) - "o well, they were stronger than me so it wasn't my fault i was overpowered. i'm only 5 feet tall and 105 pounds - zanny is so much bigger than me and i was outnumbered, so how could i have prevented it?"

as all of us here know, it would be a fight to the DEATH of someone wanted to take our children away from us.

[desmom]

Still scrolling old links....

January 22, 2009
On the Record w/ Greta
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481445,00.html

Diana Tennis, Defense Attorney: What Jose Baez needs right now is a time machine so he can go back about five months and redo this whole thing altogether. He did not leave himself any options. He did not leave himself a mental health out. He did not leave himself a, "It was an accident with a botched cover-up job." He did not leave himself any alternatives there at the beginning. And I think that has really boxed him into a corner.

You know, unfortunately, he was on TV a week before the body is found, claiming this child's alive. That doesn't give you a whole lot of extra credibility to go into jury selection with. And you got to do with what you have, at this point, but I think he needs a time machine.

Gotta runs some errands, check back later.

[Jeepers]

(snipped by me)

hey, jeeps - i think she gave that story out because the first one was too boring "i just dropped caylee off as usual". this sounds like she was fighting for her child's life (in her own mind at least) - "o well, they were stronger than me so it wasn't my fault i was overpowered. i'm only 5 feet tall and 105 pounds - zanny is so much bigger than me and i was outnumbered, so how could i have prevented it?"

as all of us here know, it would be a fight to the DEATH of someone wanted to take our children away from us.

Casey was so lazy she could not even fake a roll in the dirt abduction.
Yeah Sawgrass story was a bit lame for the A's
o/t little boy huntsville,al faked his own kidnapping had the whole area up in arms trying to locate the nappers. Lie ... it was report card day and I guess he wished he was anywhere but going home with bad grades.
He could have taught Casey a thing or two about coming up with a good story.

[martha]

Martha, I agree with you about the drugs. The talk has been mainly xanx but I think Ms. Casey was doing a little more than just smoking a joint. I know it has not been reported but I was thinking about speed a while back when the phone records came out.
How is your Hubby doing? I hope you are doing well. I T A with you the xanzx would only make her sleep a lot. the speed would keep her up a lot. by the phone records and tex she did not sleep much and that is what speed does to you. you don;t sleep much when you or taking that stuff. You can go days and night with out sleep and that seems to be what casey was doing. It does not show on your face like some drugs do.you just don;t sleep and don;t eat much. It makes you have a bad temper too. I am sure none of her friends would tell that on her afraid they would get in trouble if they were doing the same thing. I was told many years ago that truck drivers took them to stay awake so they could drive a lot of miles.now how true that is I am not sure. I don;t think they do that now tho.This was 40 years ago that I was told that. They say it just makes you anly feel for your self. jmho don;t know for sure any of this is true but to me that is the way casey acts.jmho:wub:

[Barbara fl.]

Still scrolling old links....

January 22, 2009
On the Record w/ Greta
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481445,00.html

Diana Tennis, Defense Attorney: What Jose Baez needs right now is a time machine so he can go back about five months and redo this whole thing altogether. He did not leave himself any options. He did not leave himself a mental health out. He did not leave himself a, "It was an accident with a botched cover-up job." He did not leave himself any alternatives there at the beginning. And I think that has really boxed him into a corner.

You know, unfortunately, he was on TV a week before the body is found, claiming this child's alive. That doesn't give you a whole lot of extra credibility to go into jury selection with. And you got to do with what you have, at this point, but I think he needs a time machine.

Gotta runs some errands, check back later.

Good morning everyone,

Yesterday I read a link of Casey's hand written statement to LE before her first arrest....I noticed that she made a point to keep using Caylee's name as if being alive...and she kept making reference to how neglectful she was in not assuring her daughters safety...What I got out of that was she actually thought that the strongest charge they would have had against her would have been child neglect...therefore she was going to stick to that story come hell or high water...

They all felt that as long as no body was discovered, that they would insist Caylee was still alive and that Casey even spoke to her on the day she was reported missing....Their whole world caved in when the body was found....They went to great lengths to try and keep the body from being found...Casey had to have been wrecked when she heard that Caylee's remains were found, that blew her whole theory and it sealed her fate....

Baez, like you say, opened his mouth to much and left himself no alternative then to plead not guilty....now it is a game of wits...attornies vs prosecutors.....and Casey is going to get what she deserves.....

[apothecary]

Casey was so lazy she could not even fake a roll in the dirt abduction.
Yeah Sawgrass story was a bit lame for the A's
o/t little boy huntsville,al faked his own kidnapping had the whole area up in arms trying to locate the nappers. Lie ... it was report card day and I guess he wished he was anywhere but going home with bad grades.
He could have taught Casey a thing or two about coming up with a good story.
Reminds me of Tom Sawyer.

[martha]

Oh, thank you, Martha. That means so much coming from you.:wub: I think you explain yourself so well in your posts, and I truly enjoy reading them. Your posts are so heartfelt, and you can tell how much you want justice for sweet little Caylee. We all do. Thank you, I know everyone on here wants justice for Caylee and maybe one day we will get to see that. I know everyone on here would be there for the trial if they could and we would suport Caylee and be seated on her side. I think it is just great how all of you stand up for Caylee. It is a wonderful feeling to see people care so much for a little girl they never meet. jmho:wub:

[margaritaville]

Bolding by me...

I recall that statement as well.

Wasn't it Hoover who said something to the effect that both George and Cindy were blaming each other about throwing Casey under the bus? Casey is ultimately the one responsible for what happened, if in fact she did murder Caylee, and by telling the truth I don't see how they can think that is throwing Casey under the bus.

If Casey did it, then she threw herself under the bus all on her own. If anything, by lying, George and Cindy are helping to secure a conviction for Casey (and themselves as well), and they are throwing her more under the bus w/their lies than they would be if they were telling the truth.

And what about Caylee? By not seeking the truth and justice in this situation, they are throwing her and her memory under the bus, but I guess that doesn't matter to them any longer because she is dead.
They are also throwing themselves under the bus because they are ruining their reputations and potentially setting themselves up for criminal charges. I guess it doesn't matter if anybody else is thrown under the bus, just as long as it is not Casey.:sneaky: She is the one responsible for this whole tragic situation, if she is thrown and run over by the bus, then she's only getting what she deserves.


Bolding mine:

IMHO I believe that CA, GA, and LA know the truth as to what happened to Caylee and because they know this information the "justice for Caylee" is not a concern to them...
Their only concern right now is saving Casey's life and keeping her from spending the rest of her life in prison. That and that alone is all the Anthony's are concerned with IMHO.

Yes you are correct, Caylee is dead there is nothing they can do for her anymore so now they are in "help Casey" mode.......IMHO

Sick and wrong as I think it is..
the Anthony's moved from it is all about Caylee to it is all about Casey
in about one microsecond.
Caylee is dead and buried, we move on and protect our daughter!!

MOO

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning Ms. Martha...
I was thinking that if George did roll over on Cindy and tell all and testify with the truth and nothing but the truth the courtroom would go wild. In addition, I think they would really make the bucks if he did that instead of going along with Cindy. What would be sweet is if he said nothing until they called him up on the stand. Boy, what a story to be told if Cindy got up there and lied through her teeth and they nabbed her for perjury there after and George gets up and tells it all. George would be the one that would walk away with a bundle and Cindy would be sitting her behind in jail right along with her sweet daughter/mother of the year award right next to her.
That's the place she should be since she wants to be reunited with her lovely Casey. Since they are not married in the sense we all know, he has nothing to lose, if you ask me.
Common GEORGE tell the TRUTH. ROLL OVER on Cindy, would ya.
Do the right thing for CAYLEE.


Wouldn't that be something? He would be able to get rid of Cindy and he could go on about his merry way....Cindy deserves that, she does deserve to be right next to her daughter in jail.....If George would just do the right thing....I don't think he really wants to lie, but Cindy is probably drilling him every minuite of each day....She actually thinks that her daughter will get off with this murder....(never going to happen).....

[Barbara fl.]

Yep, and KC knew when she watched the news in the infirmary at the jail...that is exactly who they found by the location...Caylee...no wonder she had such an adverse reaction...


It totally destroyed her whole world....isn't that too bad? :sneaky:

[apothecary]

Good morning Ms. Martha...
I was thinking that if George did roll over on Cindy and tell all and testify with the truth and nothing but the truth the courtroom would go wild. In addition, I think they would really make the bucks if he did that instead of going along with Cindy. What would be sweet is if he said nothing until they called him up on the stand. Boy, what a story to be told if Cindy got up there and lied through her teeth and they nabbed her for perjury there after and George gets up and tells it all. George would be the one that would walk away with a bundle and Cindy would be sitting her behind in jail right along with her sweet daughter/mother of the year award right next to her.
That's the place she should be since she wants to be reunited with her lovely Casey. Since they are not married in the sense we all know, he has nothing to lose, if you ask me.
Common GEORGE tell the TRUTH. ROLL OVER on Cindy, would ya.
Do the right thing for CAYLEE.

I agree.If George came clean and wrote a book telling the truth I would buy it and could you imagine the media appearances he could command if he did just that.He would certainly making the bucks and looking good as well.

[cassidy]

I agree.If George came clean and wrote a book telling the truth I would buy it and could you imagine the media appearances he could command if he did just that.He would certainly making the bucks and looking good as well.

At this point in time if he wrote a book, he'd be doing it for all the wrong reasons. George needs to come clean, tell the truth for CAYLEE and fade away. That, IMO , is the only way he can redeem himslef.

[sydney]

At this point in time if he wrote a book, he'd be doing it for all the wrong reasons. George needs to come clean, tell the truth for CAYLEE and fade away. That, IMO , is the only way he can redeem himslef.

problem is, he's lied so many times, no one would believe him if he told the truth.

[sydney]

Also remember LE told her they had the surveillance video from Sawgrass and she wasn't on it!!!

remember the guy who videotaped that area this past august? didn't he say that there was a "fernandez" family living in one house and a "gonzalez" family living in the other?

[desmom]

Thank you so much for that juicy little tidbit, desmom. :seeya: I am betting right now that Diana Tennis (she is DC's attorney now, isn't she?) is wishing that she had a time machine so she could go back and do over the last hearing in the civil case.:sneaky:

Great Catch Dells! Yep Diane Tennis is Dominic Casey's attorney. http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0914/20907967.pdf

I skimmed right over her name and never gave it a 2nd thought.

[happygert]

Casey was so lazy she could not even fake a roll in the dirt abduction.
Yeah Sawgrass story was a bit lame for the A's
o/t little boy huntsville,al faked his own kidnapping had the whole area up in arms trying to locate the nappers. Lie ... it was report card day and I guess he wished he was anywhere but going home with bad grades.
He could have taught Casey a thing or two about coming up with a good story.

Nope she couldn't get a little dirty by rolling around on the ground all by her lonesome..

o/t.. where I used to live a little bitty town yesterday a 14 yr old was expelled from school went home and murdered his family.. he even shot a 3 yr old girl in the head.. not giving out to much info on news yet..

http://www.lincolndailynews.com/News/today092109_bs.shtml

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_14b710c8-a70b-11de-9beb-001cc4c03286.html


It's so sad.. yet another 3 year old will not see another Christmas.. Hope Caylee takes her hand and helps her..

[cassidy]

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you, Martha. I just wish Caylee's own family would stand up for her like we do.

If they had, we wouldn't be here. I think I'd rather not be here in that case.

[happygert]

Talk about fantasy Island. A code name? Cindy is just as cracked as her daughter if she really truly believes there is some "code" name in order to lead the FBI to Caylee back then.
She insists Casey has done nothing she can believe she had any involvement. The woman is delusional and she's going to get caught real soon after she gets up on that stand to testify.
If this was my daughter and she was telling me about "code" names and garbage like this I would tell her to stop making everyone look foolish. For some reason both Cindy and George fear Casey. I wonder what she has done to them in the past. If it ain't good then I would make sure they locked her up forever.:sneaky:
I am dying to know what Lee was talking about when he said to Casey "Is it anything like what happened before, or something like that. I think she tried to kill Caylee in the house under her parents nose after Caylee was first born. That's what it sounds like to me.

Hi Deannalynn,, IMO casey's holding something over cindy's head.. :shrug:

[happygert]

Oh, that is so sad and tragic. What is wrong w/people?! So senseless!

I dont know ! Its horrible..heard about everything but it so bad.. cant believe a kid would do what he did for him just being expelled from school

heres another link.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_14b710c8-a70b-11de-9beb-001cc4c03286.html

[Jeepers]

Nope she couldn't get a little dirty by rolling around on the ground all by her lonesome..

o/t.. where I used to live a little bitty town yesterday a 14 yr old was expelled from school went home and murdered his family.. he even shot a 3 yr old girl in the head.. not giving out to much info on news yet..

http://www.lincolndailynews.com/News/today092109_bs.shtml

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_14b710c8-a70b-11de-9beb-001cc4c03286.html


It's so sad.. yet another 3 year old will not see another Christmas.. Hope Caylee takes her hand and helps her..

I am sure Caylee will be there along with others that have gone before her.
Even though I still ask Why I know there will not ever be a good answer for it.

[happygert]

I am sure Caylee will be there along with others that have gone before her.
Even though I still ask Why I know there will not ever be a good answer for it.

No you're right no good answers..

casey needs to own up to what she's did to Caylee.. but that will never happen.. she'll go to her grave lying about what happened to her..

[margaritaville]

I also think she changed her story, in part, because she was told the apartment was vacant and had been that way for some time. Hard to have your daughter being watched, even by a fake babysitter, at an apartment that wasn't even occupied at the time.:sneaky:

Of course, Casey's story wouldn't have worked out so well even if the apartment had been occupied. What if someone lived that that wasn't ZFG?

Of course, maybe there is merit to the story that Casey got ZFG's name from the card at Sawgrass apartments? Maybe Casey felt that ZFG was perhaps living in that apartment and then it would have been Casey's word about what happened against ZFG's word? Who knows w/Casey.

It just goes to show you that her story was not well thought out or planned at all, even though she had 31 days to fine tune it. Neither story is well planned out and it shows just how Casey fabricates her lies when pressed for the truth. It is almost like she says the first thing that comes to her mind, no matter how ridiculous it is.


ITA ....
Her or should I say "their" story was not planned out well at all..

I still think about all of their statements about Caylee being taken on June 9th...

June 9th was the last time that both Caylee and Casey slept over at Ricardo's house.. Which is exactly why I believe that they used that date..
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d24-Slideshow-The-many-men-in-the-life-of-Casey-Anthony
Remember when CA was questioning Casey about Zanny's house and the drums.. Cindy had a plan to get LE suspicious of Ricardo. imho

But even Casey screwed that up when she told the police she hadn't seen her daughter in 31 days... That doesn't bring it back to the 9th it brings it back to 15-16th.. OOOPS!
I am actually amazed that she was counting the days since the murder.
It makes me wonder if it was because she was pleased about it. Kind of like some young girls that count the days after they meet their boyfriend and celebrate their 1 month and 12 day anniversaries.....
Or was she counting days of freedom? Guess we will never know!!
moo

[Jeepers]

I agree.If George came clean and wrote a book telling the truth I would buy it and could you imagine the media appearances he could command if he did just that.He would certainly making the bucks and looking good as well.

I would buy George's book if he promised to take his book tour bus and roll over Cindy with it. That's what I am talking bout being thrown under the bus.
We don't know everything about this case but we know alot, thanks to the Sunshine Law. If George wrote a book, we would know if he was still lying or not. But he rolled over Cindy with the tour bus we would definitely know he was telling the truth.
I think maybe George would do well to put his thoughts down on paper after he tells the truth in court and makes things right for Caylee.
If he would kick Cindy to the curb he would do even better. jmo

[AlohaRainbow]

Still scrolling old links....

January 22, 2009
On the Record w/ Greta
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481445,00.html

Diana Tennis, Defense Attorney: What Jose Baez needs right now is a time machine so he can go back about five months and redo this whole thing altogether. He did not leave himself any options. He did not leave himself a mental health out. He did not leave himself a, "It was an accident with a botched cover-up job." He did not leave himself any alternatives there at the beginning. And I think that has really boxed him into a corner.

You know, unfortunately, he was on TV a week before the body is found, claiming this child's alive. That doesn't give you a whole lot of extra credibility to go into jury selection with. And you got to do with what you have, at this point, but I think he needs a time machine.

Gotta runs some errands, check back later.
well that's interesting... is that the same diana tennis who is d casey's lawyer??

[sydney]

Hi Deannalynn,, IMO casey's holding something over cindy's head.. :shrug:

(hey gert!)

absolutely agreed. what on earth can it be? what could be so awful that cindy would deny her grandchild's existence and defend a murderer?

[Imperfect4]

I guess we ate the same kind of cereal this a.m. See my post below yours!
Poor George.. Poor me I just keep hoping he will come through for Caylee in the end.

I may be nearly alone in my thinking, but I don't believe George was ever particularly truthful at any point in the investigation or in any of his testimony/depos.

That family lies -- all of them -- and it didn't start when Caylee disappeared. If what we've read/heard is true, George was doing all kinds of shady financial stuff with online gambling/Nigerian scams, getting credit cards in Cindy's name, job hopping, and who knows what else we haven't heard about.

No way he was fessing up to that stuff until he was busted on it. Imo, they've all lied to one another and everyone else for decades. I think George may have coughed up the occasional kernel of truth early in the investigation, but overall, I think he kept everything he possibly could close to the vest. He never once admitted to LE the extent of the problems in his house among family members, in particular Cindy and Casey, just for starters. He was warning Cindy about what she was doing, and he told as much to LE, but never went further to explain exactly *what* it was Cindy was doing that could land the two of them in legal trouble.

And I still very much doubt his version of the events of June 16th.

Pack of liars, imo, including GA.

[AlohaRainbow]

Thank you so much for that juicy little tidbit, desmom. :seeya: I am betting right now that Diana Tennis (she is DC's attorney now, isn't she?) is wishing that she had a time machine so she could go back and do over the last hearing in the civil case.:sneaky:

quite a few players in this case could use peabody's "wayback" time traveling machine
[ref to the old cartoon series with peabody the dog and his boy sherman]

[ish]

Please correct me if I seem to be wrong here...but I think LE is comparing George's testimony from his interview's under oath with his testimony in the civil case which contain many inconsistencies...

They then want to compare those testimonies to his GJ testimony...WTH!!!!...best 2 out of 3 win???

What I read from this motion is that the Prosecution believes GA told the Grand Jury something different than he said in a Depo (but which depo, the civil, the defense depo, if he has given one, or the prosecution depo?). Has the defense seen the GJ testimony? I'm guessing no, because the motion states that if the reading of the GJ transcripts substantiates the recollection that the testimony is different, then they have to NOTIFY THE DEFENSE via discovery. I wonder if the Prosecution is putting the defense on notice that if they are relying on George's depo testimony, that they will be challenging his credibility based on the GJ statements.

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
If this was my daughter and she was telling me about "code" names and garbage like this I would tell her to stop making everyone look foolish. For some reason both Cindy and George fear Casey. *snip*.
imo, cindy and george have been walking on eggshells with casey for long time

i never bought what casey tried to sell LE in her interview at universal (i think that's there when she said it).. that she was 'afraid' (or whatever word she used) of cindy.

[Jeepers]

rt;13498569]No you're right no good answers..

casey needs to own up to what she's did to Caylee.. but that will never happen.. she'll go to her grave lying about what happened to her..[/QUOTE]

And that is ok. Casey has already met her maker, she knows who she prays to every night. She made the pact and her creator will hold her to it. He is patient, he will be there waiting on her when she gets there.
She did not want Caylee in her way well, she made a deal with the devil
She partied, she sleep around she had the good life now it is time to pay up. She has nothing left. She was so right in her statements: "Everything has been taken from me"
We know that good times don't last forever! Casey did not know that all good things to come to an end.
The decision to end Caylee's life also ended hers. How short sighted she is.
jmo

[ish]

Remember when KC told JB she had 5K in a bank account??? I assume LE checked into this...checked all her accounts??? I'm sure this was not true...but so far it has not come out if she had any money in an account somewhere...

I wonder if JB checked it out! If he did and knows there is no money, then he knows his client is a liar. Good way to start off an attorney/client relationship.

[Myka]

Good morning Ms. Martha...
I was thinking that if George did roll over on Cindy and tell all and testify with the truth and nothing but the truth the courtroom would go wild. In addition, I think they would really make the bucks if he did that instead of going along with Cindy. What would be sweet is if he said nothing until they called him up on the stand. Boy, what a story to be told if Cindy got up there and lied through her teeth and they nabbed her for perjury there after and George gets up and tells it all. George would be the one that would walk away with a bundle and Cindy would be sitting her behind in jail right along with her sweet daughter/mother of the year award right next to her.
That's the place she should be since she wants to be reunited with her lovely Casey. Since they are not married in the sense we all know, he has nothing to lose, if you ask me.
Common GEORGE tell the TRUTH. ROLL OVER on Cindy, would ya.
Do the right thing for CAYLEE.

ITA come on Geo, roll on Cindy!!! Be the hero of the Anthony family, and stop being the zero

I hope he wakes up everyday and thinks of the smell of decomp he smelled in Casey's car while driving it home from the impound yard. I hope he thinks of how the decomp smell of Caylee was so strong, he could taste it in his mouth. I hope everyday for the rest of his life he is haunted by the decomp smell, knowing it was poor little Caylee

Yes, perhaps Geo lied to the GJ....wow what a surprise:rolleyes: we know the whole family has lied to the media & LE but will LE got after them for lying or just wait for Strickland to throw them in a cell for contempt?

[Scampi]

Yep, I remember that from Mistress of the Darkness saying that about George.
I was so wimpy about George when all of this started. I wanted him to stand up for Caylee and there were a few times that I thought he was getting ready to bust out with everything he knew to be true. I just wanted him to be the one to stand up for Caylee. I think George really was the only one in that Family of derlicks that understood what true love was and to him it was Caylee.
For some reason he shut down on Caylee and followed Cindy's lead. George has forgotten Caylee in all of this. I still wish (sounds crazy I just hold out hope for George for some crazy reason I just want so bad for him to stand up for Caylee) I just wish that something or someone would help him get back on track and let him be Caylee's hero and let Cindy, Lee and OC go to their Dark place.
I don't know why I feel that way about George maybe because he struggles so hard and looks so contorted when he lies.

You're right Jeep, he was the one who could have taken up for Caylee and resolved this case early on, imo. But then cindy got ahold of him and he began having visions of dollar signs dancing in his head and Caylee was forgotten. IMO.

[Sun]

What I read from this motion is that the Prosecution believes GA told the Grand Jury something different than he said in a Depo (but which depo, the civil, the defense depo, if he has given one, or the prosecution depo?). Has the defense seen the GJ testimony? I'm guessing no, because the motion states that if the reading of the GJ transcripts substantiates the recollection that the testimony is different, then they have to NOTIFY THE DEFENSE via discovery. I wonder if the Prosecution is putting the defense on notice that if they are relying on George's depo testimony, that they will be challenging his credibility based on the GJ statements.

It does seem as if the State is feeling that it's their obligation to transmit to the defense, conflicting statements provided by George to the Grand Jury, if that did indeed occur. Perhaps this is a Discovery type of rule. I don't know. If Judge Strickland approves the State's request for the GJ transcript, then it could result in an official record of any major conficting testimony from George. Which could then snowball into a much more serious issue for George come trial time, if he chooses to testify differently than what he did to the GJ.

[happygert]

O/T family murdered in home.... 14 yr old DID NOT do it...everything that was done I could not phantom him doing it.. looking for the guy now..

[ish]

ITA ....
Her or should I say "their" story was not planned out well at all..

I still think about all of their statements about Caylee being taken on June 9th...

June 9th was the last time that both Caylee and Casey slept over at Ricardo's house.. Which is exactly why I believe that they used that date..
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d24-Slideshow-The-many-men-in-the-life-of-Casey-Anthony
Remember when CA was questioning Casey about Zanny's house and the drums.. Cindy had a plan to get LE suspicious of Ricardo. imho

But even Casey screwed that up when she told the police she hadn't seen her daughter in 31 days... That doesn't bring it back to the 9th it brings it back to 15-16th.. OOOPS!
I am actually amazed that she was counting the days since the murder.
It makes me wonder if it was because she was pleased about it. Kind of like some young girls that count the days after they meet their boyfriend and celebrate their 1 month and 12 day anniversaries.....
Or was she counting days of freedom? Guess we will never know!!
moo

I think one of the reasons for the confusion over the date is that Casey had started to pull her disappearing act earlier than the 15th. I think she was gone overnight or longer several times previous to the 15th, without any explanation. I think that may have precepitated the fight on the 15th, with Cindy arguing with her about being irresponsible with Caylee and her wanting Caylee at home in her own bed at night not sleeping in random places. I think there is a significance to the 9th that over shadowed Cindy's recollection of having Caylee on Father's Day.

[Jeepers]

O/T family murdered in home.... 14 yr old DID NOT do it...everything that was done I could not phantom him doing it.. looking for the guy now..

Thank you for saying that. I hope they catch the creep real real soon.

[Katprint]

Yes, there has been many theories and speculation about clues that KC may have left to the location of the body...personally I don't believe any of them and look at them as complete coincidence...I don't think KC is that smart...JMO
I agree. One might as well play the recordings of Casey's various interviews/conversations backwards, and look for hidden meanings there. (It has already probably been done on youtube.)

There are many people named "Fernandez" or "Gonzales" in south Florida; it is the hispanic equivalent to "Smith" or "Jones."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[KittyMom]

FYI

Jury selection has started in the case of Christopher Barrios, missing, assaulted, and murdered.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351496&highlight=barrios

[happygert]

Thank you for saying that. I hope they catch the creep real real soon.

SO DO I.. they know who he is.. imo they took the school thing and ran with it..

[Katprint]

Thanks Ish...so we are still wondering which depo??? Yes, maybe it was his defense depo...I think that would be right...

Would the state have to request the defense depo or do they get it automatically???

I remember them saying it would not be released unless someone requested it...so if LE has to request defense depo...it should then be released to the public through Sunshine Law...

Legal eagles???
In California, the "noticing party" who requests the deposition has to arrange for the court reporter to come. The court reporter charges a specific fee - set by statute - for showing up even if the witness fails to show up. Then, if anybody orders copies of the deposition transcripts, the court reporter gets an additional per-page fee. It is ILLEGAL for anybody other than the court reporter to make copies of the deposition transcript except for excerpts to be submitted to the court as exhibits and similar uses. In other words, the attorneys for various parties cannot get together and agree to purchase only one copy with the understanding that they will then make additional copies to share with each other.

However, neither the "noticing party" nor anyone else is required to order copies if the deposition. Sometimes you set the deposition of a witness and it turns out that they have nothing useful or relevant to say. Maybe they were listed in the police report as being present because someone else identified them as being present but they were not actually present and/or they neither saw nor heard anything. In that case, attorneys often choose not to incur the unnecessary expense of ordering a transcript memorializing that non-information.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: I don't practice in Florida so I am not well versed in its procedural rules concerning deposition transcripts. I explain California procedural rules because I expect Florida's to be similar but they may be different.

[really3997]

Personally I think you are giving Cindy too much credit about Georges actions. He has not held down a job for a long time yet Cindy still kept him. Or was it George that kept her. These people are wired different then the rest of us. User verses Used. They are the perfect pair. I don't feel sorry for either one of them. I will not care if the other rolls on the other. They both failed Caylee collectivly and neither one of them should come out of this with out jail time. JMO ( I am cranky can you tell)

[Jeepers]

SO DO I.. they know who he is.. imo they took the school thing and ran with it..

That is bad for the young 14 yr. I hope he has other family members to help him through all of this. So sad.

I hope they get this guy before he hurts anyone else.

Just like they got Ms. Casey locked up tighter than a hat band!

I know this conversation dropped off the radar a long time ago but what about the computer searches they say KC did about killing using household items.
Does any one still think she was gonna off her parents, now that we have more insight into the case or was that just part of KC's demeanor to search for Gory stupid stuff on the net. (skulls, etc)

[happygert]

Personally I think you are giving Cindy too much credit about Georges actions. He has not held down a job for a long time yet Cindy still kept him. Or was it George that kept her. These people are wired different then the rest of us. User verses Used. They are the perfect pair. I don't feel sorry for either one of them. I will not care if the other rolls on the other. They both failed Caylee collectivly and neither one of them should come out of this with out jail time. JMO ( I am cranky can you tell)

You know some women like keeping their men at home.. maybe that was cindy's way of control.. had a friend who worked hubby stayed home and did housework, cooking, laundry, and took care of the baby.. thats the way she wanted it he waited on her hand and foot.... not me ..

[ish]

But would SA have to request George's defense depo or do they get it automatically???

If they request it does it go public???

Good question, where are all the defense depos? We know Tony Lazzaro was called in and I think Amy may also have been depo'd by the defense. Does the Prosecution get copies from the defense?

[cassidy]

O/T family murdered in home.... 14 yr old DID NOT do it...everything that was done I could not phantom him doing it.. looking for the guy now..

Thanks, I wondered because one of the article I read stated that the sheriff said the community should be afraid?? there is a thread in breaking news in case anyone is interested/

[happygert]

That is bad for the young 14 yr. I hope he has other family members to help him through all of this. So sad.

I hope they get this guy before he hurts anyone else.

Just like they got Ms. Casey locked up tighter than a hat band!

I know this conversation dropped off the radar a long time ago but what about the computer searches they say KC did about killing using household items.
Does any one still think she was gonna off her parents, now that we have more insight into the case or was that just part of KC's demeanor to search for Gory stupid stuff on the net. (skulls, etc)

The 14 yr old is also dead.. thought he did it then killed himself..

I dont think she was going to kill her parents but who knows what goes thru her mind..

[Sun]

But would SA have to request George's defense depo or do they get it automatically???

If they request it does it go public???

Rapunzel, are you asking about Morgan's depo of George? If so, the State already has it.

IIRC, George has not yet been deposed by Baez/defense.

The State deposed George, earlier this summer.

[Jeepers]

Personally I think you are giving Cindy too much credit about Georges actions. He has not held down a job for a long time yet Cindy still kept him. Or was it George that kept her. These people are wired different then the rest of us. User verses Used. They are the perfect pair. I don't feel sorry for either one of them. I will not care if the other rolls on the other. They both failed Caylee collectivly and neither one of them should come out of this with out jail time. JMO ( I am cranky can you tell)

Cranky YOU! NO WAY!
I guess I am just a romantic I always look for a Hero. George could have been that but, that bus left the depot a long time ago.
Just wishful thinking on my part.

[happygert]

Thanks, I wondered because one of the article I read stated that the sheriff said the community should be afraid?? there is a thread in breaking news in case anyone is interested/

That was first report last night ...before article hit..

[Barbara fl.]

I also think she changed her story, in part, because she was told the apartment was vacant and had been that way for some time. Hard to have your daughter being watched, even by a fake babysitter, at an apartment that wasn't even occupied at the time.:sneaky:

Of course, Casey's story wouldn't have worked out so well even if the apartment had been occupied. What if someone lived that that wasn't ZFG?

Of course, maybe there is merit to the story that Casey got ZFG's name from the card at Sawgrass apartments? Maybe Casey felt that ZFG was perhaps living in that apartment and then it would have been Casey's word about what happened against ZFG's word? Who knows w/Casey.

It just goes to show you that her story was not well thought out or planned at all, even though she had 31 days to fine tune it. Neither story is well planned out and it shows just how Casey fabricates her lies when pressed for the truth. It is almost like she says the first thing that comes to her mind, no matter how ridiculous it is.


I have a feeling that she was in hope that someone did live there and she would say that they must know ZFG...but as you say, when she heard that the apt was not occupied for so long there went that story...and up came the story of Blanchard park...and up came the story that she was given a note telling her how to act for all the time that Caylee was gone...I think that maybe thru the years George might have told stories about some of the cases he might have handled and what some excuses that the criminals gave and they may have stuck in Casey's head and she was made to think that LE would buy any story at all....I mean, after all, George bought all her stories and he was once a cop, so I guess she thought this could be a piece of cake....Because there is just no way that she thought she could have gotten away with this unless she thought that the police were stupid...


And lets face it, George is an idiot and he was a cop at one time...because he too is now coming up with stories as well..I think in the back of this families mind they think they can pull this off....

But what are they trying to pull off? The murder of their 2 year old granddaughter? That just shows you how ignorant this family is....I would even understand if the victim had been a boyfriend or some other adult (unrelated)....BUT you very own little child....and she is getting support from the family.....:shrug:

[sammy62]

(hey gert!)

absolutely agreed. what on earth can it be? what could be so awful that cindy would deny her grandchild's existence and defend a murderer?

casey's paternity? :confused:

Meant Caylee....but who knows?

[really3997]

Cranky YOU! NO WAY!
I guess I am just a romantic I always look for a Hero. George could have been that but, that bus left the depot a long time ago.
Just wishful thinking on my part.

These people do not make a move until they see how it can benefit themselves first. In my (cranky) mind there has to be a reason why they left Ohio in the first place leaving family behind. JMO

[AlohaRainbow]

In California, the "noticing party" who requests the deposition has to arrange for the court reporter to come. The court reporter charges a specific fee - set by statute - for showing up even if the witness fails to show up. Then, if anybody orders copies of the deposition transcripts, the court reporter gets an additional per-page fee. It is ILLEGAL for anybody other than the court reporter to make copies of the deposition transcript except for excerpts to be submitted to the court as exhibits and similar uses. In other words, the attorneys for various parties cannot get together and agree to purchase only one copy with the understanding that they will then make additional copies to share with each other.

However, neither the "noticing party" nor anyone else is required to order copies if the deposition. Sometimes you set the deposition of a witness and it turns out that they have nothing useful or relevant to say. Maybe they were listed in the police report as being present because someone else identified them as being present but they were not actually present and/or they neither saw nor heard anything. In that case, attorneys often choose not to incur the unnecessary expense of ordering a transcript memorializing that non-information.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: I don't practice in Florida so I am not well versed in its procedural rules concerning deposition transcripts. I explain California procedural rules because I expect Florida's to be similar but they may be different.
that's how it is hawaii with depositions and transcripts. at the end of the deposition, the attorneys who are present tell the court reporter if they want to order a copy of the transcript. if they don't order it then, they can still call the court reporter later (within a certain timeframe, something like 3 months, i think) and order a copy of the transcript.

[no1what]

Pages 144 of cindy’s april 21, 2009 statement to scott bolin and steve mcelyea of the fbi:

sb: have you ever known her to experience guilt or remorse over her actions?

ca: um, i've never seen it. i mean i think we all feel guilty in our life about different things. my husband and i feel guilty we didn't notice things earlier. but you can't do that to yourself. so, i can't say that she didn't feel guilty or remorse about something in her life. but it wasn't evident.

sb: nothing that stands out.

ca: nothing evident about anything. um, i mean i could sit back here and play out the last six months feel guilty and pick myself apart. but..

sb: let's...let's ask, i'll ask one question it's kind of specific to what we're talking about here in the last two weeks that you've been having contact with her where she is now. has she expressed any guilt or remorse over the situation?

ca: no guilt. and all she's worried about is caylee's wellbeing. i mean it's...

sb: okay.

ca: i don't see any remorse because i don't..i don't see it from her because i don't think she feels there's anything that she's done. she maintains that caylee was taken from her. i mean i haven't seen...i haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that she has anything to do with this.

(italics and bold is mine)

wow! does anyone find this as chilling as i do? it seems that the whole family lives the "oh well, what's done is done" philosophy. not only that, didn't kc say that she gave caylee to someone who betrayed her? but she doesn't feel guilty or remorseful because of that? she's just "worried" about caylee's wellbeing? not when this allegedly first occurred, but now that she's caught?

"didn't notice things earlier?" they had every chance in the world prior to this tragedy to find out about invisi-nanny, kc's "job", etc. but they chose to turn a blind eye to it. it was a CHOICE to not "notice things earlier".

this whole family suffers from the "it's not me" and "not my problem" mentality.



The date on this interview is posted as April 21, 2009 but it can't be because Cindy is still discussing finding Caylee on page 1 and 2 of the interview. But I can't find the actual interview date. Does anyone know?

[Jeepers]

Please pardon my rambling in advance.........................

I've been thinking about Cindy and George and how it seems as if the main concern is getting Casey off which accounts for the crazy statements and lies, but I wonder if that is really the main concern of these two...

I think (although I could be wrong) that it may have started with concerns about protecting the image of the family and keeping family secrets in the closet, but has now morphed into something else........

I think the money and the fact that neither Cindy or George has to work anymore is now the number one driving force for them. They would never admit it, even to each other, but I suspect it is true for the following reasons:

1. Cindy is a professional and has the means to get a job, but can you imagine her ever being able to actually work under anyone anymore? Her ego and control issues have blossomed to such a degree that she would find it next to impossible to function as a direct report to anyone else. Not to mention the fact that most employers would steer clear of her to begin with.

2. George doesn't like to work. His history clearly confirms this. For the first time in decades he dosen't have to make excuses about not working and can dispense with the motions of even looking for one. He probably feels like an equal partner in the household finances for the first time in ages.

3. The family history shows that they danced on the razors edge when it comes to finances. They were always a paycheck away from financial difficulty and Cindy probably thought it would always be that way. Just think of the moment when they realized that they would not have to deal with those pesky things like mortage and car payments and actually holding jobs.

4. They both think that the current financial climate will be maintained over the long run. I don't think they ruminate over Casey before they drift off to sleep nor do they weep for Caylee. I think they smile at the good fortune that has come their way and believe themselves entitled to it.

To me it seems that the fate of Casey is almost an after thought. They think they have no choice but to continue the charade of support. After all, it's too late to really change the public image they have put out there. But the lies and mistruths now are intended to support themselves, not Casey. I believe that if they were given a choice to free Casey or continue the financial bonanza that they would toss Casey aside in a moment.

In the end it won't be a realization that they sold out an innocent child. It won't be that the daughter they raised dies with a needle in her arm. It won't be that they have impuned their reputations and those of others.

In the end, karma will get them in the pocket book. They wouldn't have saved enough money to live on for the rest of thier lives. The foundation will shrivel up and die as it should. The book and movie deals will cease. And they will be left alone. The two of them. Broke and bewildered. And then...................they will publicly turn on each other in one last ditch attempt to cash in.........All my own opinion of course. Please pardon the long post. Thanks for listening. Be well..

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Very Good post

[Barbara fl.]

These people do not make a move until they see how it can benefit themselves first. In my (cranky) mind there has to be a reason why they left Ohio in the first place leaving family behind. JMO


You have a good point...when they moved here there went George's job as a cop...so why would Cindy chooses to make such a move and then have to support the family...But her family also moved here because her parents live near me, (Cindy's mother)...her father is in a nursing home near here also.......I'm not sure of her brother (Rick), I never heard where he lives....but they certainly are not in Casey's corner....Cindy, George and Lee stand alone in defending Casey....I never even heard any friends or co workers coming to their aide or offering support....

I retired 5 years ago, and I can tell you this, if anything at all happened to me or my family, every co worker I had would be here in a flash....as well as friends and family.....This family has NO ONE, that says a whole lot.... .

[Jeepers]

Under the house???

:scared: That was funny!

[sydney]

i wonder if cindy every ponders this when she's so desperately trying to get kc out of this:

kc never had any rules once she turned 18. kc never suffered guilt or remorse over any of her actions (per cindy). kc never had to work, take care of her child or be responsible in any way, shape or form. because the a's didn't try to hold her accountable for any of her actions/failings, she never learned a thing. not only that, by their inactions they silently condoned this behaviour.

if she gets off now (and i in no way think she will), kc will only be further convinced that what she did was not wrong. that it is acceptable behaviour, and would have no reason to keep from doing it (murdering) again.

of course, these are my opinions.

way to go a's!

[Katprint]

But would SA have to request George's defense depo or do they get it automatically???

If they request it does it go public???
Who is "SA"? I am not clear whose initials or what abbreviation that is.

Regardless who "noticed" the deposition i.e. whether the witness was subpoenaed by the prosecution (or plaintiff) or the defense, all parties have a right to attend the deposition and all parties have a right to order a copy of the transcript of the deposition. In California, non-parties also have a right to order a copy of the deposition transcript - just like they can obtain copies of the court file which is a public record - although they do not have a right to attend the actual deposition itself. I am not completely clear on Florida's rules about this, although it seemed like the media was able to immediately obtain copies of George and Cindy's deposition transcripts, and even copies of the official videos, from the civil case last fall.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Bala]

Who is "SA"? I am not clear whose initials or what abbreviation that is.

Regardless who "noticed" the deposition i.e. whether the witness was subpoenaed by the prosecution (or plaintiff) or the defense, all parties have a right to attend the deposition and all parties have a right to order a copy of the transcript of the deposition. In California, non-parties also have a right to order a copy of the deposition transcript - just like they can obtain copies of the court file which is a public record - although they do not have a right to attend the actual deposition itself. I am not completely clear on Florida's rules about this, although it seemed like the media was able to immediately obtain copies of George and Cindy's deposition transcripts, and even copies of the official videos, from the civil case last fall.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
I believe SA stands for State Attorney

[MorningGlory]

(originally posted by KJT200)
In the end, karma will get them in the pocket book. They wouldn't have saved enough money to live on for the rest of thier lives. The foundation will shrivel up and die as it should. The book and movie deals will cease. And they will be left alone. The two of them. Broke and bewildered. And then...................they will publicly turn on each other in one last ditch attempt to cash in.........
(snipped for space)

:thumbsup:Bravo KJT! ITA with you - I think you have expressed the musings of those sick minds clearly and undeniably. jmo

[sydney]

The date on this interview is posted as April 21, 2009 but it can't be because Cindy is still discussing finding Caylee on page 1 and 2 of the interview. But I can't find the actual interview date. Does anyone know?

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224558/detail.html

i know the date is messed up. see if this will work for you. it says "summer of 2008"

[cassidy]

In the end, karma will get them in the pocket book. They wouldn't have saved enough money to live on for the rest of thier lives. The foundation will shrivel up and die as it should. The book and movie deals will cease. And they will be left alone. The two of them. Broke and bewildered. And then...................they will publicly turn on each other in one last ditch attempt to cash in.........

All my own opinion of course. Please pardon the long post. Thanks for listening. Be well..

****snipped for space****

You summed it all up quite nicely. That's how I see it playing out too.

[Imperfect4]

****snipped for space****

You summed it all up quite nicely. That's how I see it playing out too.

I have a small monkey wrench I need to toss in. :thumbdown:

It's conceivable there will be enough proceeds from media interest in this case (documentaries, books, movies, etc.) to set G&C up for life ... especially if they hire someone to manage and invest their money for them.

[desmom]

The date on this interview is posted as April 21, 2009 but it can't be because Cindy is still discussing finding Caylee on page 1 and 2 of the interview. But I can't find the actual interview date. Does anyone know?

I don't understand the 8/21/09 date. http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224558/detail.html is a transcript of Cindy's interview with the FBI on 7/30/08. The video of the interview was released last fall, several months before the typed transcripts.

There are 11 video parts to the interview. You can find them in the box on the left under FBI Interviews Cindy and George @ http://www.wftv.com/news/20972889/detail.html

jmo

[cassidy]

I have a small monkey wrench I need to toss in. :thumbdown:

It's conceivable there will be enough proceeds from media interest in this case (documentaries, books, movies, etc.) to set G&C up for life ... especially if they hire someone to manage and invest their money for them.


LOL I doubt they'd do that. They seem to be having quite a time now spending away. :shrug:
JMO

[bchand]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Very Good post

I agree kjt200. I agree about the ending in particular.

[really3997]

****snipped for space****

You summed it all up quite nicely. That's how I see it playing out too.

I agree and I also hope at that time that Kathy Belich is there filming it. sorry my little bit of caddy (sp) is showing

[cassidy]

The Anthony's have a history of making some poor decisions and surrounding them w/the wrong people. Perhaps they will choose a money manager that will squander whatever money they do make off of Caylee? Karma you know.:sneaky:

Nah, they never in a million years would let someone else manage their money. They'll squander it all by themselves :) And turn into bitter nasty old people.

JMO

[sydney]

Nah, they never in a million years would let someone else manage their money. They'll squander it all by themselves :) And turn into bitter nasty old people.

JMO

they already are bitter nasty people. the "old" part will come in time.

[sydney]

9/22/2009 a response to motion to dismiss due to spoliation of evidence and motion to compel defense witness list for hearing

ooooh! do you have a link yet?

[legalmania]

9/22/2009 a response to motion to dismiss due to spoliation of evidence and motion to compel defense witness list for hearing


Do you think we should start a new thread?

[sydney]

Do you think we should start a new thread?

i thought we only did that when it was over 1,000 posts....

anyone?

[desmom]

You have a good point...when they moved here there went George's job as a cop...so why would Cindy chooses to make such a move and then have to support the family...But her family also moved here because her parents live near me, (Cindy's mother)...her father is in a nursing home near here also.......I'm not sure of her brother (Rick), I never heard where he lives....but they certainly are not in Casey's corner....Cindy, George and Lee stand alone in defending Casey....I never even heard any friends or co workers coming to their aide or offering support....

I retired 5 years ago, and I can tell you this, if anything at all happened to me or my family, every co worker I had would be here in a flash....as well as friends and family.....This family has NO ONE, that says a whole lot.... .

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Plesea,%20Rick.082108.pdf

Rick told LE their parents, Mr. & Mrs. Plesea, moved to FL in 1989. He gave them $10K to buy a house. (page 15)

Pages 30 - 31, Rick explained to LE how George and Cindy lost their home in Ohio. At Cindy's urging George stopped being a cop to sell cars with his Dad. Things did not go well between George and his dad, and George ended up on his own...on his own over his head in debt. They soon lost everything and followed Rick & Cindy's parents to Florida.

Interesting, I didn't realize Cindy had 3 brothers. On page 15, Rick told LE about their 2 brothers in FL, Gary and Daniel.

Rick said he had talked to Daniel and he said, “Rick, I don’t believe anything that comes out of that house, or out of that, Casey’s mouth. I, I don’t believe anything.” (page 16)

[legalmania]

i thought we only did that when it was over 1,000 posts....

anyone?

I think it's up to CW, I just hate to be in a really good debate and be shut down.

[desmom]

i thought we only did that when it was over 1,000 posts....

anyone?

Yes a new thread is to be started when we reach 1,000 posts. jmo

[legalmania]

Yes a new thread is to be started when we reach 1,000 posts. jmo

Thanks desmom sorry to interrupt everyone. While I'm o/t my neighbors and I saved a dog who was stuck in a pond that wasn't a pond because of the rain. He's fine, can't find the owner.

[desmom]

9/22/2009 a response to motion to dismiss due to spoliation of evidence and motion to compel defense witness list for hearing

Thanks Rapunzel! Hopefully one of the news sites will pick up copies and get them posted...soon. :biggrin:

[Katprint]

Sorry Kat...I was confused...not a first for me...LOL...

SA stands for States Attorney...anyway I was thinking it was JB who deposed C&G...it was the STATE...sorry...thanks for your help...:wub:
I am used to "District Attorney" (although it is usually an Assistant District Attorney rather than the head honcho who handles the case) to refer to the local county-level prosecutor. In cases where the District's Attorney's office is recused - for example, where an ADA is being prosecuted for fraudulently fabricating evidence, suborning perjury, etc. - then the state Attorney General's office may be prosecuting the case. As we know, the FBI is involved in this case but I am not aware of any federal prosecutor's office or investigatory office or forensic lab with the initials SA. So I kept wondering "who is SA?" and coming up with nothing. LOL!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Jeepers]

The Anthony's have a history of making some poor decisions and surrounding them w/the wrong people. Perhaps they will choose a money manager that will squander whatever money they do make off of Caylee? Karma you know.:sneaky:

That is what I am hoping.Maybe the Milsteads could give them some financial advice (for a fee).

[cassidy]

That is what I am hoping.Maybe the Milsteads could give them some financial advice (for a fee).

And a very LARGE fee at that :)

[Bala]

I am used to "District Attorney" (although it is usually an Assistant District Attorney rather than the head honcho who handles the case) to refer to the local county-level prosecutor. In cases where the District's Attorney's office is recused - for example, where an ADA is being prosecuted for fraudulently fabricating evidence, suborning perjury, etc. - then the state Attorney General's office may be prosecuting the case. As we know, the FBI is involved in this case but I am not aware of any federal prosecutor's office or investigatory office or forensic lab with the initials SA. So I kept wondering "who is SA?" and coming up with nothing. LOL!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
In Canada we have a Crown Attorney and in Superior Court they still wear the black robes.

[Jeepers]

Thanks desmom sorry to interrupt everyone. While I'm o/t my neighbors and I saved a dog who was stuck in a pond that wasn't a pond because of the rain. He's fine, can't find the owner.

Way to go Legal! I hope you find the owner soon and it will be a truly happy ending. Be careful and don't get yourself hurt that water moves soo fast and easy to loose your footing.

This rain has been awful here (alabama) for the last 7 days.
West Georgia is real bad with flooding.

[really3997]

Yeah, you would prolly be the first Jaywalker to spend time in jail...LOL

But will you learn to respect him.:laugh:

[martha]

Great post!:thumbup: Very well said. You or so right it was a great post and ITA with everything she said. I think she knows the an;s very well. I don;t really think they want to get casey out of this. If they had her home with them she would be spending most of the money. I guess they would all be fighting over the money. I don;t think they even give a thought to CAYLEE now. I can see where casey gets her not caring about anyone but self because all the an;s or that way. I can;t see them saving any of the money they or making now for their old age. If casey gets out and there or movie deal and book deals the whole family will be suing each other for their part of the money. I love her post because it tells it just like it is.Did cindy not tell casey when she got out of this she would not have to work another day in her life? I think I read that some where.Well it looks like none of them or going to work any more unless it is lee and you can bet after this is over he will not be working eather.I think the money is the reason the an;s want to keep this going on and they don;t want a trial because it might put a stop to the money. george wants his part of the money so he is never going to tell the truth. All of the an;s know the truth but you can bet they don;t want the people to know it.They have no famil or friends backing them so they will spend a lonley life after all is said and done. Even if casey gets out of this. That house will still be an awful place to live. They want be fighting over a sweet little baby girl the will be fighting over money.jmho

[Sun]

9/22/2009 a response to motion to dismiss due to spoliation of evidence and motion to compel defense witness list for hearing

Very, very interesting. I've not kept up with the State's own witness list. Does anyone know if Joy Wray is on it?

[really3997]

The way I understood Ricks interview with the FBI and LE, Cindy was the only girl among the siblings. I think she may have been the youngest, too.
Sounds like she may have been a little princess herself. Hmmm:sneaky:

Ok.. here is where I get ticked off being the youngest and only girl. I was never treated like a princess. I want my crown and I want it now. It is not a given only girl princess syndrome..ok don't venting:blushing:

[bchand]

Very, very interesting. I've not kept up with the State's own witness list. Does anyone know if Joy Wray is on it?

She wasn't, as of 1/09

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

[Jeepers]

Ok.. here is where I get ticked off being the youngest and only girl. I was never treated like a princess. I want my crown and I want it now. It is not a given only girl princess syndrome..ok don't venting:blushing:

Ok here is your silly Crown!hammer now! how's that!
Looks good on ya!

You and Cindy will have to fight over the little clear slippers

[really3997]

Ok here is your silly Crown!hammer now! how's that!
Looks good on ya!

You and Cindy will have to fight over the little clear slippers

Well I would win:sneaky:

[cassidy]

Well I would win:sneaky:

I wouldn't bet on that. :)

[Jeepers]

Originally Posted by Rapunzel
Yeah, you would prolly be the first Jaywalker to spend time in jail...LOL


...:thumbsup:...


By the time Baez got his dream team together you would probably looking at the DP or at least LWOP

[legalmania]

I am used to "District Attorney" (although it is usually an Assistant District Attorney rather than the head honcho who handles the case) to refer to the local county-level prosecutor. In cases where the District's Attorney's office is recused - for example, where an ADA is being prosecuted for fraudulently fabricating evidence, suborning perjury, etc. - then the state Attorney General's office may be prosecuting the case. As we know, the FBI is involved in this case but I am not aware of any federal prosecutor's office or investigatory office or forensic lab with the initials SA. So I kept wondering "who is SA?" and coming up with nothing. LOL!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Besides the DA gives the Assistant the file anyway to double check his or her work. They both have one thing in mind winning.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
Very, very interesting. I've not kept up with the State's own witness list. Does anyone know if Joy Wray is on it?

She wasn't, as of 1/09

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

I've always had difficulties finding the latest State's own witness list, though vaguely recall that there may have been on done in March. And, several additions since then even to that list. Shucks, I couldn't even find the Jan one.

I'm going to guess that the State is going to make the defense divulge whether they are planning to use Joy Wray as a witness. The State probably needs to know if they need to deal with this person on the being on the stand.

[legalmania]

Way to go Legal! I hope you find the owner soon and it will be a truly happy ending. Be careful and don't get yourself hurt that water moves so fast and easy to loose your footing.

This rain has been awful here (alabama) for the last 7 days.
West Georgia is real bad with flooding.

Howdy neighbor,

It's bad here also, it rained real hard here for 3 days and washed the only access road by half, it looked like we could go white water rafting from something that was a stream. It was definitely a neighborhood project. We had a kayak and a lot of rope. O.K. now back to our sweet Caylee.

[Jeepers]

BBM

I think she has lots of spare time to sit in her cell and think nasty thoughts of her parents, and each day she despises them more. It would be a very scary thing to get inside her head for a minute, IMO.

To get inside her head would be like eeeeewwwww!:scared:
I would truly be scared to hear what she had to say.
I try to apply my logic to her's and the A's and it just does not work.
My kids would be scared to death if they were ever arrested for anything. I would be scared to death if that happened to one of them.
They would want us there.
I just don't get KC not being scared and how she can sit everyday with this hanging over her head.

[Jeepers]

I wonder if he is qualified to defend Jaywalkers? Probably about all. I do recall that he defended that one guy against murder and he didn't get off. Remember the wrestler? wasn't it? I wonder who was the death qualified att. that co-counseled in that case?

2w4u

I cannot understand with all the funds C&G have received and the way they are defending Casey why have they not convinced her to get a real attorney and they pay for it. If they feel she is so innocent.

I would not let him defend me for marking on a wall.
I don't remember the wrestler case. I will look that up.

[sydney]

I cannot understand with all the funds C&G have received and the way they are defending Casey why have they not convinced her to get a real attorney and they pay for it. If they feel she is so innocent.

I would not let him defend me for marking on a wall.
I don't remember the wrestler case. I will look that up.

heck - they couldn't even convince her to get a really nanny and they'd pay for it.....

[martha]

I really don;t think c and g or worried about casey as much as they get on tv and say they or. I really think they just as soon see her sit in jail.they both know what she did to caylee. I sure would not want her out and at my house if I knew she killed my gb. If she got out she sure would have to find her some where elce to live.jmho

[martha]

that may be the reason casey is so mad at them because they will not spend that money on getting her another lawyer. some high price lawyer. I sure casey wants them to do that. she wanted them to put up the bond so she could get out of jail. jmho

[Jeepers]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-092209,0,1836397.story

Prosecutors want to question witnesses in Casey Anthony case.


Jaywalker convicted...Death Penalty awaits...LOL...you guys are killin' me...pun intended...LOL

Ashton wrote how it was "baffling" that the defense filed the request before their experts examined the evidence already collected.
"What are noticeably absent are the affidavits from their panel of celebrity experts, who appeared for a photo opportunity at the crime scene, indicating that they have examined the available evidence and photographs and find they are insufficient to allow them to arrive at reliable conclusions which might challenge those of the state's experts," the prosecutor wrote.

The state asked a list of the defense witness and for a hearing so prosecutors could cross-examine them. They also want the opportunity to depose the witnesses before the hearing.

"It is clear this matter will require a lengthy evidentiary hearing with the burden of proof on the defendant," Ashton wrote.No hearing date has been set.

This is the junkie games Baez & Co play. Tying up the court system with their game playing. jmo

[sydney]

that may be the reason casey is so mad at them because they will not spend that money on getting her another lawyer. some high price lawyer. I sure casey wants them to do that. she wanted them to put up the bond so she could get out of jail. jmho

i agree, martha. could be kc is jealous of the "face time" c and g have gotten, too.

[Sun]

"What are noticeably absent are the affidavits from their panel of celebrity experts, who appeared for a photo opportunity at the crime scene, indicating that they have examined the available evidence and photographs and find they are insufficient to allow them to arrive at reliable conclusions which might challenge those of the state's experts," the prosecutor wrote.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-092209,0,1836397.story


JAshton seems to have allowed his attitude to slip out. I must say that while I do sort of agree with his feelings on the matter, perhaps putting them in a document in this form is not the wisest move.

[legalmania]

Way to go Legal! I hope you find the owner soon and it will be a truly happy ending. Be careful and don't get yourself hurt that water moves soo fast and easy to loose your footing.

This rain has been awful here (alabama) for the last 7 days.
West Georgia is real bad with flooding.


Happy to report owner found, poor lady was frantic, she was so grateful wanted to give an award, she was surprised I gave the dog a bath. Back to Caylee.

[Jeepers]

heck - they couldn't even convince her to get a really nanny and they'd pay for it.....

I just think G&C could have done better for Casey if they had kept their mouths shut and worked behind the scenes. Not that I care about Casey, it is just that they pretend they do.

[legalmania]

heck - they couldn't even convince her to get a really nanny and they'd pay for it.....

Good one sydney.

[margaritaville]

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you. I think it is the other way around as well. I think it is George and Cindy that are afraid of Casey and afraid of getting out of her favor. It is quite evident in their interactions w/her during the jailhouse visits, her time out on bond on their handling of her w/kid gloves, and their desperate attempts to get her attention during the court hearings. Casey definitely holds all the cards in their relationship.

ITA.. George even told Casey in one of their visits that Casey is "the boss".. As I think she always was even before she murdered Caylee....moo

[Jeepers]

Happy to report owner found, poor lady was frantic, she was so grateful wanted to give an award, she was surprised I gave the dog a bath. Back to Caylee.

I am so glad. I bet she was frantic to hear what happened to her little fur faced baby.
That was so sweet of you to give him a bath. Made him feel better and warmed him up.

That what I am talking bout! Normal folks do things to help others out even little animals. It is impossible to apply any logic to what KC and her parents are doing and have done to Little Caylee.
Legal risk her own safety to help a little dog in need.
KC throws her little one away like trash.
There is no logic that can be applied when we are talking about these folks.

[sydney]

i remember cindy saying in her summer of 2008 interview with the fbi that she talked to kc's two bosses at universal - don't recall her saying WHY she talked to them,though. don't recall her providing phone numbers for them, either. well, we obviously know that didn't happen. what i found even stranger is she never talked to the invisinanny. priorities again. it's more important to speak to your daughter's (cough cough) boss than to your grandchild's (cough cough COUGH) caretaker.

[sydney]

Good one sydney.

thanks - i wonder where all those extra "y's" are coming from in my posts? i always thought i could type much better than that!

[cassidy]

I cannot understand with all the funds C&G have received and the way they are defending Casey why have they not convinced her to get a real attorney and they pay for it. If they feel she is so innocent.

I would not let him defend me for marking on a wall.
I don't remember the wrestler case. I will look that up.

She's going down, they know it, why waste the money? Jose will do. :)

JMO

[sydney]

She's going down, they know it, why waste the money? Jose will do. :)

JMO

hey, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free (or whatever that saying is)

[cassidy]

hey, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free (or whatever that saying is)


LOL exactly !!!!! Cindy & George have futures to plan for, afterall. Casey who??????

[sydney]

So I take it from that attitude...you don't think they will be visiting after conviction....:biggrin:

what i really meant was why pay for her defense when the state is on the hook for the bill. kc's indigent, remember?

they prolly think it is fitting that the state should pay, since kc is totally innocent and the state is persecuting her.

[cassidy]

So I take it from that attitude...you don't think they will be visiting after conviction....:biggrin:

maybe when they're passing by in their brand new motorhome, off to see the world :biggrin:

[cassidy]

what i really meant was why pay for her defense when the state is on the hook for the bill. kc's indigent, remember?

they prolly think it is fitting that the state should pay, since kc is totally innocent and the state is persecuting her.

They probably figure that Casey stole enough from them and they don't "owe" her anymore. Besides, she's over 21 and they don't have to pay for her attorney.
One attorney is as good as another :)

[legalmania]

I am so glad. I bet she was frantic to hear what happened to her little fur faced baby.
That was so sweet of you to give him a bath. Made him feel better and warmed him up.

That what I am talking bout! Normal folks do things to help others out even little animals. It is impossible to apply any logic to what KC and her parents are doing and have done to Little Caylee.
Legal risk her own safety to help a little dog in need.
KC throws her little one away like trash.
There is no logic that can be applied when we are talking about these folks.

Thank you but I only held the rope the real hero here was the lady going out in a kayak and picking up a strange dog that was 1/2 her size, that could have bit her or flipped them both. I can't understand Casey's behavior either. I am so sorry Caylee.

[BlueTurtle]

I have a small monkey wrench I need to toss in. :thumbdown:

It's conceivable there will be enough proceeds from media interest in this case (documentaries, books, movies, etc.) to set G&C up for life ... especially if they hire someone to manage and invest their money for them.

I don't see them as smart about money issues.

In other cases, the victim's family sues the defendent for wrongful death to prevent them from benefitting monetarily. What a shame that it is the victim's grandparents making money off her death.

Again, I don't see them being smart about the money.

[sydney]

They probably figure that Casey stole enough from them and they don't "owe" her anymore. Besides, she's over 21 and they don't have to pay for her attorney.
One attorney is as good as another :)

didn't rick say it was something like $56k that cindy had to take out of her retirement plan to cover credit card bills? i thought george had fessed up to that with the internet scam he got involved in.

not much for a defense in a murder trial.

[BlueTurtle]

Nah, they never in a million years would let someone else manage their money. They'll squander it all by themselves :) And turn into bitter nasty old people.

JMO

Turn into????? They already are bitter and nasty.:rolleyes:

[Bala]

that may be the reason casey is so mad at them because they will not spend that money on getting her another lawyer. some high price lawyer. I sure casey wants them to do that. she wanted them to put up the bond so she could get out of jail. jmho
If Casey wanted to she could stop her parents from making one thin dime off HER daughter's image. They have no legal right to use Caylee's name or her image for profit unless Casey said so.

[cassidy]

Turn into????? They already are bitter and nasty.:rolleyes:

LOL OK even MORE bitter and nasty and OLD :)

[cassidy]

I don't see them being smart period

I'm with ya on that one Really. They haven't shown any smarts yet.

JMO

[Imperfect4]

Nah, they never in a million years would let someone else manage their money. They'll squander it all by themselves :) And turn into bitter nasty old people.

JMO

"Turn into"???? :laugh:

[cassidy]

"Turn into"???? :laugh:

OK OK, I 'm sorry, wrong choice of words. Please don't shoot me :)

[Imperfect4]

"What are noticeably absent are the affidavits from their panel of celebrity experts, who appeared for a photo opportunity at the crime scene, indicating that they have examined the available evidence and photographs and find they are insufficient to allow them to arrive at reliable conclusions which might challenge those of the state's experts," the prosecutor wrote.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-092209,0,1836397.story


JAshton seems to have allowed his attitude to slip out. I must say that while I do sort of agree with his feelings on the matter, perhaps putting them in a document in this form is not the wisest move.

Oh, yeah ... that was virtually dripping with sarcasm, wasn't it? Celebrity experts who appeared for a photo opportunity at the crime scene. Yowza! :scared:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Jeepers]

So, I take it that everyone feels that KC is doing fine with Baez as her attorney and that C&G will put away KC's little pictures along with Caylee's and tour the world in their brand new motor home.
Is this before or after they get out of jail?
Just hoping for the best for G&C

[Imperfect4]

OK OK, I 'm sorry, wrong choice of words. Please don't shoot me :)

Sorry! Didn't realize I was last in a long line! :laugh:

And thanks for straightening me out on the likelihood G&C will get themselves a money manager. I think I must've lost consciousness for a moment as I typed that. :laugh:

[cassidy]

So, I take it that everyone feels that KC is doing fine with Baez as her attorney and that C&G will put away KC's little pictures along with Caylee's and tour the world in their brand new motor home.
Is this before or after they get out of jail?
Just hoping for the best for G&C


They can dream, can't they?? :biggrinjester:

[Jeepers]

They can dream, can't they?? :biggrinjester:

I bet that is what Ms. KC is doing right about now! Dreaming of the Good Life..
I bet she is thinking whoa sh,t what have I done. Nah ..
She is thinking whoa sh,t look what Zanny has done and everything I have said has been misconstrewed.
What a dumb biotch. Killing your child in order to go party
Living for the moment.
I wonder what Casey will think on her 50th birthday while sitting behind bars. If she is still on this earth at 50.

[Numbers]

I bet that is what Ms. KC is doing right about now! Dreaming of the Good Life..
I bet she is thinking whoa sh,t what have I done. Nah ..
She is thinking whoa sh,t look what Zanny has done and everything I have said has been misconstrewed.
What a dumb biotch. Killing your child in order to go party
Living for the moment.
I wonder what Casey will think on her 50th birthday while sitting behind bars. If she is still on this earth at 50.

She is thinking whoa sh,t look what Zanny has done and everything I have said has been misconstrewed.

Same at 60, 70, or 127 years of age.

[legalmania]

I know everybody wants Casey to receive the DP, but in a way I would like to see her get Life plus 100 yrs. , let me explain before you let me have it. I want for her to have to mingle with the general population. She would be considered at the bottom of the barrel in prison. That's bad. Plus she might have to have a roommate. Prisoners hate child molesters and child killers. Some prisoners doing life will go as far as to rat on someone, so they can be sentenced into the lowest level,their version of ground zero, then they can kill a child molester or child killer. They feel they have nothing to lose. I just think the prisoners would torture Casey everyday all day, and I think the guards would turn their heads, occasionally. If she gets in the DP level they stay in a cell alone without a roommate, they get to go outside with protection all around them. They get to go to church. I want for her to live in fear all the time. I want her to wish she was dead. JMO.

[Scampi]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-092209,0,1836397.story

Prosecutors want to question witnesses in Casey Anthony case.


Jaywalker convicted...Death Penalty awaits...LOL...you guys are killin' me...pun intended...LOL

I love this. Looks like jose is being schooled once again by Mr. Ashton that you can't just pull accusations of wrongdoing out of thin air and expect the court to rule in your favor.

Now, it appears that jose might just have to prove his silly accusations that the State did anything wrong. :thumbsup:

[Jeepers]

I know that I am doing fine with Jose as her attorney. :lol:

Oh Really straighten your crown up it is kinda tipping sideways!
I am sure that Baez enjoys reading his fan mail along with Casey's maybe we should drop them a line or two to let them know how confident we feel that Casey will get what she deserves and that we feel that Baez is the man that can make that happen.

George did ask all of us to write to KC to let her know we are thinking about her.

[legalmania]

OK OK, I 'm sorry, wrong choice of words. Please don't shoot me :)

Sorry cassidy the only thing we can shoot at you is an insult. I understood what you were getting at.

[Jeepers]

I know everybody wants Casey to receive the DP, but in a way I would like to see her get Life plus 100 yrs. , let me explain before you let me have it. I want for her to have to mingle with the general population. She would be considered at the bottom of the barrel in prison. That's bad. Plus she might have to have a roommate. Prisoners hate child molesters and child killers. Some prisoners doing life will go as far as to rat on someone, so they can be sentenced into the lowest level,their version of ground zero, then they can kill a child molester or child killer. They feel they have nothing to lose. I just think the prisoners would torture Casey everyday all day, and I think the guards would turn their heads, occasionally. If she gets in the DP level they stay in a cell alone without a roommate, they get to go outside with protection all around them. They get to go to church. I want for her to live in fear all the time. I want her to wish she was dead. JMO.

I agree Legal, LWOP waking up GP everyday. I hope she wakes up scared everyday of her life. Just like little Caylee was so scared. I want her to know and feel terror everyday of her miserable life.
Now I am the one who needs to go church. Dial a prayer.
Sorry guys just got on a rant.
I will spray it. it will go away once it spray it I promise. I hate rants!

[seeing_eye]

I may be nearly alone in my thinking, but I don't believe George was ever particularly truthful at any point in the investigation or in any of his testimony/depos.

That family lies -- all of them -- and it didn't start when Caylee disappeared. If what we've read/heard is true, George was doing all kinds of shady financial stuff with online gambling/Nigerian scams, getting credit cards in Cindy's name, job hopping, and who knows what else we haven't heard about.

No way he was fessing up to that stuff until he was busted on it. Imo, they've all lied to one another and everyone else for decades. I think George may have coughed up the occasional kernel of truth early in the investigation, but overall, I think he kept everything he possibly could close to the vest. He never once admitted to LE the extent of the problems in his house among family members, in particular Cindy and Casey, just for starters. He was warning Cindy about what she was doing, and he told as much to LE, but never went further to explain exactly *what* it was Cindy was doing that could land the two of them in legal trouble.

And I still very much doubt his version of the events of June 16th.

Pack of liars, imo, including GA.

ITA with your assessment of George! How long is it going to take for people to stop exclaiming, "Poor George?" In his first interviews with LE I believe he was doing his usual thing of being a chameleon and acting as though he was one of "them." Whatever group he's with, he takes on the appearance of being just like them. He's a good actor and I believe he's been an actor all his life. But in reality, he is a lying, thieving, no-good, worthless loser. I believe Casey inherited a lot of his characteristics including his looks. Cindy just accentuated them by teaching lying and dishonesty by examples.

[Jeepers]

Oh my god I am at 2000 post...what do I win now...:thumbsup:

You know I bought you something special the other day.
The bouncy string. You did not seem real grateful for that.
I am taking it back you have not even tried it on yet.

here have a pork skin!:tonguewag:

[seeing_eye]

I know that I am doing fine with Jose as her attorney. :lol:

ITA. I don't think she could have a better attorney - for what we want!

[legalmania]

I don't know I have mixed emotions. If she gets life well then there will be an end to this. If she gets life we will have to keep hearing the wrongly accused story. so I am on the fence so to speak.

After her sentencing she will disappear into the life of a prisoner. Florida will probably be the only state that we will hear about her at all. With a death sentence we will still hear about her appeals.

[BlueTurtle]

I know everybody wants Casey to receive the DP, but in a way I would like to see her get Life plus 100 yrs. , let me explain before you let me have it. I want for her to have to mingle with the general population. She would be considered at the bottom of the barrel in prison. That's bad. Plus she might have to have a roommate. Prisoners hate child molesters and child killers. Some prisoners doing life will go as far as to rat on someone, so they can be sentenced into the lowest level,their version of ground zero, then they can kill a child molester or child killer. They feel they have nothing to lose. I just think the prisoners would torture Casey everyday all day, and I think the guards would turn their heads, occasionally. If she gets in the DP level they stay in a cell alone without a roommate, they get to go outside with protection all around them. They get to go to church. I want for her to live in fear all the time. I want her to wish she was dead. JMO.

Actually I would like her to get 40 to life if they have to admit guilt and show remorse for the parole board to consider release. Oh, to have the possiblity to get out but can't because you will never admit guilt/remorse. That and to be in general population. Yes.... I think that would be best.

[BlueTurtle]

Sorry cassidy the only thing we can shoot at you is an insult. I understood what you were getting at.

I wasn't meaning to insult! I was seeing it as humorous that they are paying a price and that is their life must suck right now. And it is of their own doing. People would have supported them if they hadn't been such bitter nasty people to begin with. Sorry if it was taken wrong!!

[Jeepers]

I wasn't meaning to insult! I was seeing it as humorous that they are paying a price and that is their life must suck right now. And it is of their own doing. People would have supported them if they hadn't been such bitter nasty people to begin with. Sorry if it was taken wrong!!

That is correct everyone would have be by their side and supported them.
The A's just don't get it.
I can't see them going to Missing Children events and listening to heartbreaking stories of other children be murdered and not equate it to their own misery.
They are just mean nasty people and they will get all that is coming to them and not in a good way.

[martha]

I know everybody wants Casey to receive the DP, but in a way I would like to see her get Life plus 100 yrs. , let me explain before you let me have it. I want for her to have to mingle with the general population. She would be considered at the bottom of the barrel in prison. That's bad. Plus she might have to have a roommate. Prisoners hate child molesters and child killers. Some prisoners doing life will go as far as to rat on someone, so they can be sentenced into the lowest level,their version of ground zero, then they can kill a child molester or child killer. They feel they have nothing to lose. I just think the prisoners would torture Casey everyday all day, and I think the guards would turn their heads, occasionally. If she gets in the DP level they stay in a cell alone without a roommate, they get to go outside with protection all around them. They get to go to church. I want for her to live in fear all the time. I want her to wish she was dead. JMO.I am so with you on this.death is to good for casey.ITA she needs to get lwop and have to be scared for her life for as long as she lives. Death is to quick and easy for anyone that does something like this. let her live and think about what she has done everyday. let the other prisoners punish her in ways she could never think of. I think after a while she will wish she was dead.jmho:wub:you or such a smart lady.I love the way you think

[martha]

I'm sorry... I despise what Casey has done as much as anyone here... but to wish daily torture upon her? That is just inhumane. :thumbdown:Oh AnniePie I am so sorry you feel that way. casey did not care how bad CAYLEE suffered. now had it been a grown up that could have taken up for her self then I might feel different about casey getting lwop but not when it was a little baby that had no one to defend her. casey has not sheded one tear for CAYLEE and CAYLEE was a gift from God to that family and they should have taken care of her. Caylee is ok now but will see that Casey will pay for what she has done.maybe not in my life time but one day he will I don;t mean to be ugly about this but for some reason I just can;t muster up any syp.for casey.jmho :wub:

[happygert]

O/T talking about the murders in beason now

[legalmania]

Do you think the G & C will be singing the innocent in jail song,. Since I am in Florida I will have to move then

Well I don't think you have to go that far, you could just change the channel. I think G & C will disappear also. JMO.

[martha]

One thing is I don;t believe in the dp because I think GOD is the only one that has a right to take someone life. He gave us life and I think it is up to him to say when we leave this old world. I know everyone will not agree with me on this. Just saying. jmho. nothing more nothing less. when I watch tv and hear some of the awful things people do to other it makes me think that death is to good for them they need to be punished the same way they punished the people they killed.the man that cut his wife fingers off pulled her teeth out and he did a lot more to her. I just think they need to be punished not put to death.jmho I pray GOD will forgive me if I am wrong on this. I really don;t know which is right and which is wrong.I am so glad I am not into any type of law or courts or trials.I could never say to take another person;s life.jmho:wub:

[martha]

so sorry if I got o/t will shut up now. Caylee needs us and I hope I can stay here for her and not get banned.forgive me.jmho:wub:

[legalmania]

Oh my god I am at 2000 post...what do I win now...:thumbsup:

Let's here it for really, congrats on your 2,000 post.

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[KittyMom]

lol...I see the pros is telling Jose to put up or shutup. I love it!!!!

[Imperfect4]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21066700/detail.html

Whew! It's gettin HOT in here! :thumbup:

The state of Florida sure does seem to be turning up the heat under Casey's defense dream team and their *panel of celebrity experts*. :w00t:

[legalmania]

I wasn't meaning to insult! I was seeing it as humorous that they are paying a price and that is their life must suck right now. And it is of their own doing. People would have supported them if they hadn't been such bitter nasty people to begin with. Sorry if it was taken wrong!!

BlueTurtle it never crossed my mind that you were trying to insult anyone, as a matter of fact I missed your post. I was reading something about cassidy. I had no idea you were part of the conversation. I was in no way trying to interfere, but as usual I did. Sorry.

[happygert]

I am so with you on this.death is to good for casey.ITA she needs to get lwop and have to be scared for her life for as long as she lives. Death is to quick and easy for anyone that does something like this. let her live and think about what she has done everyday. let the other prisoners punish her in ways she could never think of. I think after a while she will wish she was dead.jmho:wub:you or such a smart lady.I love the way you think

Martha, IMO casey will not think about what she's done.. She has no guilt.. remember her diary entry.. "NO regrets i hope the end justifies the means".... or something to that effect may have it backwards........lol....... ITA LWOP no partying, no shopping, no more fashionable clothes .. she'll have to wear the same thing everyone else does,no MEN, no going to bed when she wants or with who she wants. no getting up when she wants , her bed time will be same as everyone elses , no beaches, NO NOTHING ..Before arrest pictures and after arrest when seen in the court room has already done wonders for her.. just wait a few more years.. IMO by the time she gets to her trial she'll be hardly recognizable.. So I really dont think the flirting with the men on the jury will work.. jmho..

[ish]

I have a small monkey wrench I need to toss in. :thumbdown:

It's conceivable there will be enough proceeds from media interest in this case (documentaries, books, movies, etc.) to set G&C up for life ... especially if they hire someone to manage and invest their money for them.

We're talking G&C here, they don't hire, people "volunteer" their services. Brad Conway, Mark NeJame, Dom Casey, Jim Hoover etc.:laugh:

[legalmania]

Whew! It's gettin HOT in here! :thumbup:

The state of Florida sure does seem to be turning up the heat under Casey's defense dream team and their *panel of celebrity experts*. :w00t:

Let's hope the defense keeps their clothes on.

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[legalmania]

One thing is I don;t believe in the dp because I think GOD is the only one that has a right to take someone life. He gave us life and I think it is up to him to say when we leave this old world. I know everyone will not agree with me on this. Just saying. jmho. nothing more nothing less. when I watch tv and hear some of the awful things people do to other it makes me think that death is to good for them they need to be punished the same way they punished the people they killed.the man that cut his wife fingers off pulled her teeth out and he did a lot more to her. I just think they need to be punished not put to death.jmho I pray GOD will forgive me if I am wrong on this. I really don;t know which is right and which is wrong.I am so glad I am not into any type of law or courts or trials.I could never say to take another person;s life.jmho:wub:

Oh no martha, so you think I made a wrong decision putting my cat to sleep last week? I'm not trying to be funny, I feel really bad about the decision I made but she was very sick.

[neid_77]

Whew! It's gettin HOT in here! :thumbup:

The state of Florida sure does seem to be turning up the heat under Casey's defense dream team and their *panel of celebrity experts*. :w00t:

don't you love it!!! i want them to call them on all their BS!!! becouse that's all that team is about! :laugh: one thing is for sure the court is going to be busy alot needs to be settled out wonder how long it will take to get a hearing on all these motions they are starting to pile up!!

to me i'm gald ashton put sarcasm in their as much of what biazz has done why not a little here and there

[Jeepers]

One thing is I don;t believe in the dp because I think GOD is the only one that has a right to take someone life. He gave us life and I think it is up to him to say when we leave this old world. I know everyone will not agree with me on this. Just saying. jmho. nothing more nothing less. when I watch tv and hear some of the awful things people do to other it makes me think that death is to good for them they need to be punished the same way they punished the people they killed.the man that cut his wife fingers off pulled her teeth out and he did a lot more to her. I just think they need to be punished not put to death.jmho I pray GOD will forgive me if I am wrong on this. I really don;t know which is right and which is wrong.I am so glad I am not into any type of law or courts or trials.I could never say to take another person;s life.jmho:wub:

Sweet Martha, I too am glad I don't work in the legal system. I could not be LE either. My heart just could not take seeing that everyday.
The people that work like LE and Attorney's have a special calling in my opinion. I think that wisdom is one of the most wonderful gifts one could have. The folks have to be so diligent in the courses of action they take. I am like Hawaii 5 O Bookem Dano! and throw away the key.
I sometimes cannot see the forest for the trees. These folks have the responsibility to see and wade through all of it and come to an agreement.
Caylee is fine now and other children before her. I think living with what you have done everyday and everyday waking up and asking yourself was it worth what I am living now.
Casey is young and her outlook is bleak. It is sad she chose the road she is on.

[happygert]

Has any of the media got the motion from the DA's office? They've spoiled me I want to read the motions..lol..

Dang also wonder why Judge Strickland has NOT set the check fraud case date yet been a month..Maybe he's trying to appease the DA's office while leaving the date unset to appease the defense. also..

[no1what]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224558/detail.html

i know the date is messed up. see if this will work for you. it says "summer of 2008"


In this interview Cindy is so suspicious of everyone and every word but not of Casey or anything that Casey might have done.

I guess the prosecution could use this interview to show that Cindy does not believe there is a real Zanny.

IMO Caylee death could have been avoided if the Anthony's would have expected Casey to be responsible for her actions. In this interview Cindy appears to be so desperate to blame anyone other than Casey for Caylee's disappearance and continues to make excuses for Casey instead of allowing her to be responsible for herself.

[Sun]

Has any of the media got the motion from the DA's office? They've spoiled me I want to read the motions..lol..

Dang also wonder why Judge Strickland has NOT set the check fraud case date yet been a month..Maybe he's trying to appease the DA's office while leaving the date unset to appease the defense. also..

I keep looking around for it also. So far, I can't find anything. I also like to read the motions, as at times the media does a bit too much sensationalizing of the documents.

[Sun]

Has any of the media got the motion from the DA's office? They've spoiled me I want to read the motions..lol..

Dang also wonder why Judge Strickland has NOT set the check fraud case date yet been a month..Maybe he's trying to appease the DA's office while leaving the date unset to appease the defense. also..

It sure seems like it's been a long time since it was announced that a date was to be set in the criminal check/fraud case. I just checked my calendar, and it's only really been 12 business days. Seems so much longer though.

Anyone think that we might get a doc dump this week?

[Jeepers]

In this interview Cindy is so suspicious of everyone and every word but not of Casey or anything that Casey might have done.

I guess the prosecution could use this interview to show that Cindy does not believe there is a real Zanny.

IMO Caylee death could have been avoided if the Anthony's would have expected Casey to be responsible for her actions. In this interview Cindy appears to be so desperate to blame anyone other than Casey for Caylee's disappearance and continues to make excuses for Casey instead of allowing her to be responsible for herself.
I think that is the type of parenting Cindy did. If I did my child like Cindy did KC then my job would have been a piece of cake and no gray hair. If I blamed another child for what mine did or blamed a teacher because my child made a failing grade then my job would be done. My home would always be happy place to be because no one in my house does anything wrong. It's those other people! that cause all those problems.
Cindy or George never dealt directly with Casey. They just let her run wide open. No consequences.
Casey made a statement in jail talking with her mom and asked what I am suppose to learn? Casey really did not understand what was going on. She was never made to own it. Cindy and George always pointed away to someone else did it etc.

[BlueTurtle]

BlueTurtle it never crossed my mind that you were trying to insult anyone, as a matter of fact I missed your post. I was reading something about cassidy. I had no idea you were part of the conversation. I was in no way trying to interfere, but as usual I did. Sorry.

I think one thing that is nice about this forum, is that most people are trying to not insult and yet can still have differeing opinions. Granted most of the crowd find the Anthonys despicable, but still have different views on why they are that way. I love your posts, so I come back to hear more from you and many others. I do like the gallows humor of this group.

[summer]

I have a small monkey wrench I need to toss in. :thumbdown:

It's conceivable there will be enough proceeds from media interest in this case (documentaries, books, movies, etc.) to set G&C up for life ... especially if they hire someone to manage and invest their money for them.

Coming in late here but I agree. I believe they've already made an enormous amount of money and counting. The licensing fees alone from the upcoming 48 hours show are probably an astronomical amount, if the $200,000 they allegedly received from the last network interview they did is any indication.

I bet they've already acquired a money manager and are doing things right, financially, for the first time in their lives. They'll never have to work again, IMO. I only hope they go to jail - that's how they'll pay for their misdeeds. They'll still be rich when they get out, though. They will die wealthy people -- JMO.

[happygert]

It sure seems like it's been a long time since it was announced that a date was to be set in the criminal check/fraud case. I just checked my calendar, and it's only really been 12 business days. Seems so much longer though.

Anyone think that we might get a doc dump this week?

Thanks Sun, Dang Thought it was longer. guess I was going from the hearing date..which was 8-21.....lol ....it did take him along time to give his decision.. dang wonder if he' could give us a date soon....very impatient.lol being patient is not my strong suit.....

[legalmania]

Oh AnniePie I am so sorry you feel that way. casey did not care how bad CAYLEE suffered. now had it been a grown up that could have taken up for her self then I might feel different about casey getting lwop but not when it was a little baby that had no one to defend her. casey has not sheded one tear for CAYLEE and CAYLEE was a gift from God to that family and they should have taken care of her. Caylee is ok now but will see that Casey will pay for what she has done.maybe not in my life time but one day he will I don;t mean to be ugly about this but for some reason I just can;t muster up any syp.for casey.jmho :wub:

Well said Martha, Casey put herself in that position, if she would have thought it through she could have avoided going to prison, by making the decision not to hurt Caylee. The reality of it all is prisoners know about Casey and some already have plans for her. I just can't feel sorry for her and if she gets beat up and tortured everyday then she'll learn to fight. That's the way things go in prison. Right Jeffery Dahmer.

[martha]

Oh no martha, so you think I made a wrong decision putting my cat to sleep last week? I'm not trying to be funny, I feel really bad about the decision I made but she was very sick.No honey I do not think you did the wrong thing abotu you cat.I have a pom.dog and I would not take a million dollars for her but if she gets really sick and can;t get well then I would do just what you did. I could not stand to see her suffer. I did not mean it the way you took it.I just have a hard time explaining my self.your baby cat is ok and a lot better off but she did not do anything wrong she just got sick and and sometime we have to do things we don;t want to do. I have told my children if I get in a shape to where I don;t know them and can;t get any better to let me go I will see them again someday.I don;t believe in letting someone suffer if they have no chance of getting better.I am sorry if I sound like that to you.jmho:wub: