Monday, Sept. 21

[AmndaRcknwth]

Hope for Haleigh. Let's try to keep it.

[Survivor]

Hope for Haleigh. Let's try to keep it.

Thanks for the fresh start....reguardless of how long it stays that way. Toxic would be an apt verb:blink:


:rose:For both families of HaLeigh

[AmndaRcknwth]

TY for the great links LynnGweeny.

Ugh.... imagining the huge mudhole left behind, although it says cranes dug ditches to help water to return.

Wonder what they bagged? Wonder if it is Haleigh-related?

Doesn't this case seem like square one every day....

[Survivor]

:seeya: Morning all! Thanks for today's thread, AmndaRcknwth.

New Haleigh Search Winds Down
ActionNewsJax.com
Reported by: Mike Tolbert
September 21, 2009 - Last Update: 1:15 am

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/New-Haleigh-Search-Winds-Down/w81Nnq8NRUigyJvqr8r88w.cspx

VIDEO: Search for Haleigh (2:53)

Police wrap up the search of a pond in Putnam County.

The reporter says ‘several items were bagged’ but investigators on scene didn’t talk about what they’d found.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33715@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5


** For anyone that missed this video from yesterday showing an aerial view of the drained pond, here's the link **

http://www.wesh.com/video/21026235/index.html

Thanks again for your diligence Lynn! :thumbup: We will all have to wait a lil longer to hear just what was bagged and if it pertains to HaLeigh. IMO

[Lynn Gweeny]

TJH Search over, no car no body found.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5262960.php


JMO

Thanks, ?no.

From the article ... (Lt. Johnny Greenwood) said any results from the search would be revealed today. Authorities have not said what they are looking for.

[CFMom]

Hello everyone...

Praying today is the day Ron gets his daughter back...prayers with him and family.

[Texas48]

Please light a candle for HaLeigh Marie Cummings.:wub:


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[Texas48]

Consider it done Tex.

:rose:
TY angellaw....Little HaLeigh needs all the candles we can possibly light

[*Pia]

Thank you Coldwater!


For Haleigh and her family...:rose:

[Peaches]

Thank you Coldwater!


For Haleigh and her family...:rose:



Thank you CW for your post. ITA with everything you have written.


For HaLeigh and all those who love her! :rose::rose:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Putnam Sheriff's Office say no evidence found in pond searched in Haleigh case
Water was drained from the 5-acre pond south of Palatka
Jacksonville.com
By Dana Treen
Story updated at 9:40 AM on Monday, Sep. 21, 2009

From this article ... Maj. Gary Bowling says that searches were done last weekend, the weekend before, and that another search will be conducted NEXT weekend.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-21/story/putnam_sheriffs_office_say_no_evidence_found_in_po nd_searched_in_haleigh

[Unleashed]

Consider it done Tex.

:rose:

And again. It's back up to 183 candles from 4 countries. That's great!

Prayers for HaLeigh and all her family.

jmo

[KatieLady]

Putnam Sheriff's Office say no evidence found in pond searched in Haleigh case
Water was drained from the 5-acre pond south of Palatka
Jacksonville.com
By Dana Treen
Story updated at 9:40 AM on Monday, Sep. 21, 2009

From this article ... Maj. Gary Bowling says that searches were done last weekend, the weekend before, and that another search will be conducted NEXT weekend.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-21/story/putnam_sheriffs_office_say_no_evidence_found_in_po nd_searched_in_haleigh

Morning Lynn...and thank you!

Looks like the piece was updated...now says

"We did a search last weekend and the weekend before," related to the case, he said. "We do searches all the time."

(Unless I am missing your quote in the piece somewhere?)

[Lynn Gweeny]

VIDEO: Search for Haleigh – No New Clues (1:49)

Water is flowing back into a 5 acre pond that was emptied out over the weekend in the search for Haleigh Cummings.

(Per the reporter, no break in the case, much to the family's disappointment)

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=33724@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

[*Pia]

Putnam Sheriff's Office say no evidence found in pond searched in Haleigh case
Water was drained from the 5-acre pond south of Palatka
Jacksonville.com
By Dana Treen
Story updated at 9:40 AM on Monday, Sep. 21, 2009

From this article ... Maj. Gary Bowling says that searches were done last weekend, the weekend before, and that another search will be conducted NEXT weekend.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-21/story/putnam_sheriffs_office_say_no_evidence_found_in_po nd_searched_in_haleigh

So they really did start this search before speaking with Tommy? That is interesting.

[Scampi]

Morning Lynn...and thank you!

Looks like the piece was updated...now says

"We did a search last weekend and the weekend before," related to the case, he said. "We do searches all the time."

(Unless I am missing your quote in the piece somewhere?)

Morning Kate. I'm just relieved that LE are still actively searching for little Haleigh.

:seeya:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Morning Lynn...and thank you!

Looks like the piece was updated...now says

"We did a search last weekend and the weekend before," related to the case, he said. "We do searches all the time."

(Unless I am missing your quote in the piece somewhere?)


This is from about the middle of the article, a few paragraphs down from the quote by Bowling:

He would not say what evidence investigators hoped to find. He said he expects the department to conduct another search next weekend.

[W_D_1]

So they really did start this search before speaking with Tommy? That is interesting.


Even more interesting is that it was done after talking to Timmy and Chelsea. I'd bet the scratch on the van came up during that questioning and may have led to the search.

[KatieLady]

This is from about the middle of the article, a few paragraphs down from the quote by Bowling:

He would not say what evidence investigators hoped to find. He said he expects the department to conduct another search next weekend.

Geeezzzz and I thought I read it so carefully! :rolleyes: I am so sorry Lynn...I should know better than to second guess your links!

:wub:

[Viva4Haleigh]

Even more interesting is that it was done after talking to Timmy and Chelsea. I'd bet the scratch on the van came up during that questioning and may have led to the search.

LE says they do searches all the time-per the link LYnn just posted-

jmo

[*Pia]

If they are refilling that pond then they must have another search area in mind.

[KatieLady]

Even more interesting is that it was done after talking to Timmy and Chelsea. I'd bet the scratch on the van came up during that questioning and may have led to the search.

I wonder why LE keeps saying the searches aren't related to that? So odd to me....like we can't figure it out??? lol

[KatieLady]

LE says they do searches all the time-per the link LYnn just posted-

jmo

I have no trouble believing that...but not on the scale of this weekend's search they don't IMO

[W_D_1]

LE says they do searches all the time-per the link LYnn just posted-

jmo



They also said at first that the search wasn't related to Haleigh and that wasn't true. :shrug:

[Lynn Gweeny]

I have no trouble believing that...but not on the scale of this weekend's search they don't IMO

ITA, KatieLady! Why, it was just a week into Haleigh's case that the PCSO was already cash strapped. Granted, they were asking for federal and state help monetarily, but nothing was every in the media about that assistance (financially) being granted, imo.

Haleigh Search Taking Financial Toll On Sheriff's Office
Posted: 7:48 am EST February 17, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18729752/detail.html

[KatieLady]

ITA, KatieLady! Why, it was just a week into Haleigh's case that the PCSO was already cash strapped. Granted, they were asking for federal and state help monetarily, but nothing was every in the media about that assistance (financially) being granted, imo.

Haleigh Search Taking Financial Toll On Sheriff's Office
Posted: 7:48 am EST February 17, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18729752/detail.html

Yep....makes no sense that they didn't have a pretty good reason to drain that pond. I guess we will just have to wait to see if anything was recovered. LE is playing this whole thing pretty close to their vests....even going so far as to deny that the search had anything to do with Haleigh (at the beginning) IMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

They also said at first that the search wasn't related to Haleigh and that wasn't true. :shrug:

I think this just goes to show us they have not been revealing their hand to us and there has been such much more going on behind the scenes than we could even imagine-

jmo-

[FrankieBones1]

Thank you, Coldwater!

:rose:

[titanfan217]

TY for the great links LynnGweeny.

Ugh.... imagining the huge mudhole left behind, although it says cranes dug ditches to help water to return.

Wonder what they bagged? Wonder if it is Haleigh-related?

Doesn't this case seem like square one every day....


We got enough rain in this area yesterday that it wouldn't take long to fill it.

Is there any news conference or anything scheduled for today?

[Lynn Gweeny]

SKY NEWS is reporting that there will be no press conference by PCSO today regarding the "L Pond" search, but they will be issuing a Press Release. However, there is no indication of what time today that Press Release will be issued.

[HouseOfClark]

ITA, KatieLady! Why, it was just a week into Haleigh's case that the PCSO was already cash strapped. Granted, they were asking for federal and state help monetarily, but nothing was every in the media about that assistance (financially) being granted, imo.

Haleigh Search Taking Financial Toll On Sheriff's Office
Posted: 7:48 am EST February 17, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18729752/detail.html

At some point a couple of months later, they did receive some state money for the searches/investigation. IIRC, the amount they received was about $35,000 in additional money. I thought it odd at the time that the $35,000 was also the amount of the reward.

I don't have the link, but it was given to PCSO after 2/17/09.

JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5263944.php


PCSO Addresses Rumors In Haleigh Case

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5263944.php


PCSO Addresses Rumors In Haleigh Case

I'm glad to see they addressed the rumors.

Apparently there was a car, but it didn't come from the pond.

From the link:
Rumor 2) A car was taken from the pond on a flatbed truck.

"No car was taken from the pond. There was a car towed on a flat bed from a residence, but not by us or for us. I would suspect that the person that owned the car had it towed for whatever reason. We have nothing to do with it or know who the person was."

[Lynn Gweeny]

PCSO Media Release
September 21, 2009

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has received numerous requests for information and interviews regarding the Haleigh Cummings investigation, and actions taken by the Sheriff’s Office this past weekend.

As previously mentioned, the search was conducted as the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received thus far in this case.

The pond is an area called the “Mondex” which is located south of Palatka. A pond in the area was drained entirely for the purpose of conducting a thorough search.

The area was searched by investigators, and nothing of evidentiary value was recovered. Although various resources were utilized to conduct this search, it was just one of many operations conducted in this investigation.

Due to the sensitivity of this investigation, the name of the person providing the tip and the physical evidence alleged to be in the pond, will not be released.

Members of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office will not be participating in any formal interviews or providing statements regarding this weekend’s search.

We appreciate the media for keeping Haleigh in the spotlight, but the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is concentrating on finding Haleigh Cummings and returning her home to her family.

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office
130 Orie Griffin Blvd.
Palatka, Florida 32177
(386) 326.2782
jgreenwood@putnamsheriff.org

[emmaleah]

Thank you Coldwater!!!

[sickntired]

One media report seems to contradict another.

In this report it says they *did remove and bag small items*. If true, it sounds like LE is going to test what they found before revealing any information.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/New-Haleigh-Search-Winds-Down/w81Nnq8NRUigyJvqr8r88w.cspx

Maybe what they found was related to some other crime??

[KatieLady]

PCSO Media Release
September 21, 2009

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has received numerous requests for information and interviews regarding the Haleigh Cummings investigation, and actions taken by the Sheriff’s Office this past weekend.

As previously mentioned, the search was conducted as the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received thus far in this case.

The pond is an area called the “Mondex” which is located south of Palatka. A pond in the area was drained entirely for the purpose of conducting a thorough search.

The area was searched by investigators, and nothing of evidentiary value was recovered. Although various resources were utilized to conduct this search, it was just one of many operations conducted in this investigation.

Due to the sensitivity of this investigation, the name of the person providing the tip and the physical evidence alleged to be in the pond, will not be released.

Members of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office will not be participating in any formal interviews or providing statements regarding this weekend’s search.

We appreciate the media for keeping Haleigh in the spotlight, but the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is concentrating on finding Haleigh Cummings and returning her home to her family.

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office
130 Orie Griffin Blvd.
Palatka, Florida 32177
(386) 326.2782
jgreenwood@putnamsheriff.org

Am I crazy or aren't these 2 statements contradictory???

[titanfan217]

Am I crazy or aren't these 2 statements contradictory???

Could it be that the person providing the tip gave information of evidence that might be found, but that isn't what they found?

[KatieLady]

Could it be that the person providing the tip gave information of evidence that might be found, but that isn't what they found?

Maybe.....I don't know. It just makes no sense to me :confused:

[?noanswer]

Am I crazy or aren't these 2 statements contradictory???

Yes, at first glance they do, but when looking at again, ones says "nothing of evidentiary value was recovered" was found, the second one said "the name of the person providing the tip and the physical evidence alleged to be in the pond, will not be released".
JMO

[KatieLady]

Yes, at first glance they do, but when looking at again, ones says "nothing of evidentiary value was recovered" was found, the second one said they will not release the name of the person and what that person said was there. Not exactly the same wording, but that's from my memory of what is in the PR.


JMO

Ok....I see what you are saying. Why do they have to write these things to make me think so hard???? :laugh:

[FrankieBones1]

Am I crazy or aren't these 2 statements contradictory???

Not at all, in my opinion. They are saying that there is nothing of evidentiary value and that the tip about evidence and the name of the person with the tip won't be released.

In other words, they are saying that there was nothing to be found.

[?noanswer]

Ok....I see what you are saying. Why do they have to write these things to make me think so hard???? :laugh:

Thinking keeps the brain in good shape. They are doing you a favor! JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

Am I crazy or aren't these 2 statements contradictory???

Katie, it's been that way for months. Several stations cover the story, but none of them have the same story.
Some of the reporters even embellish and have no clue of the family relationship... who is who, and who is related to whom! It is frustrating to keep up with it.

[KatieLady]

Thinking keeps the brain in good shape. They are doing you a favor! JMO

Well it hurts my head hammer

I so wish they could get this case resolved! She has been gone to long :sad:

[KatieLady]

Katie, it's been that way for months. Several stations cover the story, but none of them have the same story.
Some of the reporters even embellish and have no clue of the family relationship... who is who, and who is related to whom! It is frustrating to keep up with it.

Thanks Amnda....I am glad I am not the only one that gets confused by all his!

[AmndaRcknwth]

Thinking keeps the brain in good shape. They are doing you a favor! JMO

Good way to think of it, lol... I saw a report today that said Alzheimers is much more prevalent than predicted.

I'm thinking of something else now...
Timmy and his kids were said to be in Welaka (or "town"), but according to Johnny Greenwood via TJ Hart, it was a phone call.
So, which is it?

Has he come to help his sister? I don't see him bringing his kids all the way from Cape Cod to do that.

I'm so confused, or maybe Alzheimers is on my trail.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Good way to think of it, lol... I saw a report today that said Alzheimers is much more prevalent than predicted.

I'm thinking of something else now...
Timmy and his kids were said to be in Welaka (or "town"), but according to Johnny Greenwood via TJ Hart, it was a phone call.
So, which is it?

Has he come to help his sister? I don't see him bringing his kids all the way from Cape Cod to do that.

I'm so confused, or maybe Alzheimers is on my trail.

Johnny Greenwood did not confirm or mention that Tim was in town- so no one really knows, all conflicting statements as usual, for now-

jmo

[W_D_1]

Am I crazy or aren't these 2 statements contradictory???


No. What they are saying is that someone told them something was in the pond but it turns out there wasn't anything in it and they won't release the name of the person or what they say was in it.

[Justice4all]

Am I crazy or aren't these 2 statements contradictory???

no. Sounds like what they are saying is they won't release the name of the person that gave the tip or the description of the evidence that was alleged to be in the pond.

[KatieLady]

Thanks to all that corrected me. It was so confusing when I first read it

I guess I am crazy :blink:

lol

[?noanswer]

Good way to think of it, lol... I saw a report today that said Alzheimers is much more prevalent than predicted.

I'm thinking of something else now...
Timmy and his kids were said to be in Welaka (or "town"), but according to Johnny Greenwood via TJ Hart, it was a phone call.
So, which is it?

Has he come to help his sister? I don't see him bringing his kids all the way from Cape Cod to do that.

I'm so confused, or maybe Alzheimers is on my trail.

Don't think it is the Alzheimers. Between the media getting things wrong and all the message boards not only having things wrong, but in some instances just things that are opinions, I can understand how posters that are wanting real information can get confused. LE has not said very much. If one just relies on what LE has said, then there are very few facts know re the disappearance of Haleigh. I am still hoping they find her alive and bring her back to her families. JMO

[Unleashed]

So you don't miss this and 'have' to leave.

Thanks, CW. It's a pleasure to read the board today.

jmo

[Justice4all]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=145311&catid=3

And in the photos with this story, there is that marker in the pond. The marker is an upright stick or stake with yellow police tape on it. What was that about if it was not an evidence marker?

Also: "... Investigators say they found "nothing of evidentiary value," but if they had found what they were looking for, it would have been "significant." They're not saying what that was. ..."

might be using the yellow tape to say that area has been searched and cleared.

[DramaQueen]

might be using the yellow tape to say that area has been searched and cleared.

That is exactly what I read in another article that explained the sticks, etc. But to me it does look like evidence markers.

Thanks for all the great links, all, I don't have computer access on the weekends so coming in to all this this morning was like wow! Something is happening! I am so happy to see the search for little Haleigh continuing forward.

And thank you all again for the links, everything was very interesting.

[Justice4all]

That is exactly what I read in another article that explained the sticks, etc. But to me it does look like evidence markers.

Thanks for all the great links, all, I don't have computer access on the weekends so coming in to all this this morning was like wow! Something is happening! I am so happy to see the search for little Haleigh continuing forward.

And thank you all again for the links, everything was very interesting.

I might be 110% wrong or watch too much CSI but don't evidence markers have numbers on them?

[Lynn Gweeny]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=145311&catid=3

And in the photos with this story, there is that marker in the pond. The marker is an upright stick or stake with yellow police tape on it. What was that about if it was not an evidence marker?

Also: "... Investigators say they found "nothing of evidentiary value," but if they had found what they were looking for, it would have been "significant". They're not saying what that was. ..."

Well, that IS an interesting statement, isn't it, malleymo? This just confirms that whatever the tip was that prompted the search, it just might have been that key piece to the puzzle that investigators are looking for, imo.

[DramaQueen]

I might be 110% wrong or watch too much CSI but don't evidence markers have numbers on them?

and apparently I don't watch enough, of course, you're right, otherwise how would they know what they found where?

Pardon me, please. Then they must really just show the areas searched.

[Scampi]

Well, that IS an interesting statement, isn't it, malleymo? This just confirms that whatever the tip was that prompted the search, it just might have been that key piece to the puzzle that investigators are looking for, imo.

I agree Lynn. For LE to authorize the draining of that pond and subsequent seaching they must have placed some trust in the tip and the person who tipped them off.

This just shows that someone out there does know what happened to Haleigh and there is still a chance she will be found, imo.

[Justice4all]

and apparently I don't watch enough, of course, you're right, otherwise how would they know what they found where?

Pardon me, please. Then they must really just show the areas searched.

Yep the evidence markers have numbers and then the evidences gets tagged with that number.

[?noanswer]

Yep the evidence markers have numbers and then the evidences gets tagged with that number.

And they take pictures. I watch CSI, also!! JMO

[Dunlurken]

Well, there are certainly contradictory statements going out on the "waves". If nothing cracks soon in this case, I just might.

Let's find this child.

[Justice4all]

And they take pictures. I watch CSI, also!! JMO

exactly..........

and i asked this several times but never found an answer. Did the CSI team ever go out there?

[DramaQueen]

Well, there are certainly contradictory statements going out on the "waves". If nothing cracks soon in this case, I just might.

Let's find this child.

Come on, Dun, you have come this far, and I feel like we are certainly getting close to solving the mystery of Haleigh's disappearance, you can't cave now! Its way better than it was for months in the beginning, when we never knew anything, IMO. Something is bound to happen to crack this one wide open pretty soon, hang in there!

[DramaQueen]

Originally Posted by Viva4Haleigh
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5263944.php


In the above link, Rumor #6 puzzles me..why would Ron & Timmy be fighting if Timmy & the wife in Mass we're basically washing their hands of Misty.

That puzzled me, too, but maybe he just was calling to try and talk to his sister about the other brother's bail and Ron told him not to call? You know how brothers and sister are, fighting one minute and best buddies the next.

[HouseOfClark]

I might be 110% wrong or watch too much CSI but don't evidence markers have numbers on them?

I don't know. I don't remember seeing numbers on the flags in the Anthony backyard. I did see numbers when closeup photos were taken and released, but they weren't on flags.

ETA: The numbers in the Anthony case were written on cards which were folded, numbered, and I believe a description of the item and where it was located was written on the underside of the card.

This being water might be totally different.

[?noanswer]

exactly..........

and i asked this several times but never found an answer. Did the CSI team ever go out there?

I don't know. Seems like there were other counties joining in the search. Maybe they don't call CSI out until they find something. JMO

[*Pia]

Not at all, in my opinion. They are saying that there is nothing of evidentiary value and that the tip about evidence and the name of the person with the tip won't be released.

In other words, they are saying that there was nothing to be found.

And that they are not telling who told them that something was there or what that something was supposed to be.

[?noanswer]

I don't know. I don't remember seeing numbers on the flags in the Anthony backyard. I did see numbers when closeup photos were taken and released, but they weren't on flags.

Didn't they also have different color flags. Maybe each entity has their own SOP. JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

There is still a lot of water there in the photos so it seems to be before the draining of the pond. Divers marked the spot?


My guess is they wanted to see the spot with the water drained so as not to disturb it, if it might be Haleigh.

Remember the guy who said anmal carcasses... you wouldn't want to grab onto that and bring it up, just in case... so a marker would be a good idea.

Did you all see the pics where they were using rakes and photographing something?

It's just a capture from a vid, but I did save it.

[willow]

Thanks to all that corrected me. It was so confusing when I first read it

I guess I am crazy :blink:

lol

No, you are not crazy..lol. I was reading it twice and trying to understand it when you posted about it. So, thank you and others for helping me to understand it also.

Does anyone know if dogs were brought in after the water was drained? I do not know what type of dogs would be used, but they are so many dogs trained in so many fields I was just curious.

I also hate to even say this but I do wonder if enough time was given to the searches to sift through the mud to find little bones ( gosh, I am glad I got that out) it is hard to think about.

The reason I ask the above questions is because this search had to take a lot of money so this tip that they had must have been a very good tip or at least LE felt like it was or they would not have spent all that money in my opinion.

Of course, the way the reports were over the weekend, always changing - by the end of the day we may know that evidence was found about Haleigh.

Of course, I always hope and pray she is alive but if Haleigh is not then then I am sure this family still needs closure. Also, after seven months it is hard to keep that hope alive at least for me it is. I know I have felt something happened to Haleigh either late Feb 9th or early Feb 10th.

[Justice4all]

I don't know. Seems like there were other counties joining in the search. Maybe they don't call CSI out until they find something. JMO

exactly they don't call csi till something is found and i haven't heard they were ever called.

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

URGENT Haleigh Update: Hank Croslin Jr Talks, No One Home at 10pm Hour Night Child Was Abducted?

[Tracian]

I realize that LE has a difficult job to do, but in this case, IMO, most of the 'rumors' are because of they way LE has handled this investigation.

LE has created the atmosphere of public confusion, which I don't understand when they are asking at times for help from the public.

[HouseOfClark]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

URGENT Haleigh Update: Hank Croslin Jr Talks, No One Home at 10pm Hour Night Child Was Abducted?

Interesting update.

[Justice4all]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

URGENT Haleigh Update: Hank Croslin Jr Talks, No One Home at 10pm Hour Night Child Was Abducted?

OMG Viv,...you should have said BOMBSHELL :scared:

[CC I See]

Although unlikely, Misty could say that she was sound asleep and didn't hear him knocking at the door that night. I think that some of her supporters would accept this as why she didn't answer. We don't know how hard he knocked or how long he was there trying.

[Viva4Haleigh]

The incident report to the Tim Croslin thing is- 09-8306 Thats what TJ Hart twittered me, but I cant figure out where to find the report, can anyone help? TY

[5boxersmom]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

URGENT Haleigh Update: Hank Croslin Jr Talks, No One Home at 10pm Hour Night Child Was Abducted?

Very interesting. So now Tommy places himself at the home at 10 pm. Why did it take him so long to tell LE this?

jmo

[jammies]

10PM seems to be the key.

Misty goes to bed and Tommy arrives.

[*Pia]

If Tommy was sent to the house for a well check for (not by) Ron, found the house empty, did he call Ron back and tell him that? Did Ron know that it was possible that no one was home?

Could this just have been after Misty went to sleep as she said she did?

[Tracian]

Very interesting. So now Tommy places himself at the home at 10 pm. Why did it take him so long to tell LE this?

jmo


I don't understand all the game playing when a child's life hangs in the balance. Why wouldn't Tommy tell this to LE right away? I doubt he would do that to protect Ron..especially when he says he went out there at Ron's request.

[HouseOfClark]

Very interesting. So now Tommy places himself at the home at 10 pm. Why did it take him so long to tell LE this?

jmo

Or is this a strategic leak of false information by LE?

To gauge reactions?

[Scampi]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

URGENT Haleigh Update: Hank Croslin Jr Talks, No One Home at 10pm Hour Night Child Was Abducted?

Thank you for that update. So cummings asked Hank Jr to go to his trailer and check on Misty and apparently she wasn't home. What did he do next?

[5boxersmom]

I don't understand all the game playing when a child's life hangs in the balance. Why wouldn't Tommy tell this to LE right away? I doubt he would do that to protect Ron..especially when he says he went out there at Ron's request.

I don't understand it either. I guess the phone records would answer alot of this. Maybe Ron just thought she was mad at him and went to bed?

You know what they say about a little bit of truth in a lie. So I wonder is Tommy lying about some of it but some of it is true? Does that make sense?

jmo

[5boxersmom]

Or is this a strategic leak of false information by LE?

To gauge reactions?

Could be. I kinda thought that when they showed Tommy walking with LE. Letting Misty know he was talking to them.

jmo

[Tracian]

I don't understand it either. I guess the phone records would answer alot of this. Maybe Ron just thought she was mad at him and went to bed?

You know what they say about a little bit of truth in a lie. So I wonder is Tommy lying about some of it but some of it is true? Does that make sense?

jmo


You are making as much sense as what can be made out of this cast of characters...I just don't understand any of them.

[Tracian]

Or is this a strategic leak of false information by LE?

To gauge reactions?


IMO, LE has not been very strategic throughout this case.

[5boxersmom]

You are making as much sense as what can be made out of this cast of characters...I just don't understand any of them.

I know what you mean.

But now Tommy has placed himself at the home at the critical time. Hasn't LE said the time they are investigating is 10 pm to 3 am?

[VenusFlyTrap]

I'm glad to see they addressed the rumors.

Apparently there was a car, but it didn't come from the pond.

From the link:
Rumor 2) A car was taken from the pond on a flatbed truck.

"No car was taken from the pond. There was a car towed on a flat bed from a residence, but not by us or for us. I would suspect that the person that owned the car had it towed for whatever reason. We have nothing to do with it or know who the person was."


I'm glad this rumor was cleared up finally.

[Texas48]

Thank you Coldwater....

[Acey]

might be using the yellow tape to say that area has been searched and cleared.

It's possible grid searches were conducted and the markers indicated the grid boundry.

[Tracian]

I know what you mean.

But now Tommy has placed himself at the home at the critical time. Hasn't LE said the time they are investigating is 10 pm to 3 am?


That is what I remember when NeJames was on a morning show with TN, the hours between 10pm and 3am. That interview was before all heck broke loose with the test results being released.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Thank you for that update. So cummings asked Hank Jr to go to his trailer and check on Misty and apparently she wasn't home. What did he do next?

It would be interesting to know if Hank Jr then called back Ronald and let him know- did he think she wasn't home because it was all dark, any possibility she was sleeping and didn't hear the door knocking? jmo

[achristie]

Thank you for that update. So cummings asked Hank Jr to go to his trailer and check on Misty and apparently she wasn't home. What did he do next?

Has he submitted to a lie detector test?

[KatieLady]

That is, um, quite fascinating. It is worded so carefully, too.

Per the other Sky link (PCSO dispels rumors), it is Timmy who called making threats on the phone this weekend. And per the NG transcripts, it is a "series" of "multiple" calls that night between MC and Timmy. IIRC Timmy had the van at his house (the van that was scratched).

I think it has been reworded...it now says

Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend

[KittyMom]

I'd love to hear from LE concerning this phone call. LE has the phone records and knows who called whom, when, how long the calls lasted, and which tower the call pinged from.

[Justice4all]

Very interesting. So now Tommy places himself at the home at 10 pm. Why did it take him so long to tell LE this?

jmo

I would love to know why in the world he would wait 7 months to tell something so major. I wonder if he called Ron back and told him.

[Scampi]

It would be interesting to know if Hank Jr then called back Ronald and let him know- did he think she wasn't home because it was all dark, any possibility she was sleeping and didn't hear the door knocking? jmo

Sounds off to me. I'd like to know if Crosslin's story about this, matches cummings. In other words, did cummings tell LE he asked Hank jr to check on Misty.

[Elle]

Lindsy Croslin Sept 8th

Croslin says: "Honestly I think Misty knows something she's not telling. I just don't know what it is. It could be something stupid. Maybe she wasn't home, so be it, but you didn't kill the child.">

http://www.newspusher.com/EN/post/1252451393-2/EN-/fl-haleigh-cummings-investigation-9-8.html

The new release made me think of this.

[5boxersmom]

I would love to know why in the world he would wait 7 months to tell something so major. I wonder if he called Ron back and told him.

I would like to know that too. Didn't LE say there was phone calls that night between Misty and Tommy? Or was it Timmy? :confused:

[Justice4all]

Has he submitted to a lie detector test?

I sure hope he has.

[KatieLady]

I must say....IF this is true...I like it that Ron was worried about her/them that he found someone to go check on them IMO

[Justice4all]

I would like to know that too. Didn't LE say there was phone calls that night between Misty and Tommy? Or was it Timmy? :confused:

Yep she called Tommy. I wonder what else Tommy knows.



Tommy where is Haleigh?

[Scampi]

I would love to know why in the world he would wait 7 months to tell something so major. I wonder if he called Ron back and told him.

That is an excellent question.

[achristie]

Sounds off to me. I'd like to know if Crosslin's story about this, matches cummings. In other words, did cummings tell LE he asked Hank jr to check on Misty.

Keep in mind Tim Miller's reports about why Ron married Misty. Maybe he has known all along.

MOO

[Justice4all]

Sounds off to me. I'd like to know if Crosslin's story about this, matches cummings. In other words, did cummings tell LE he asked Hank jr to check on Misty.

Didn't they just say the other day Ron called Tommy? I would love to know what else does Tommy know.

[KatieLady]

Thanks so much...I thought I understood the English language..but they had me confused!!

Hey Steph :seeya:

With that Urgent at the beginning...it seems they wrote it very quickly and then went back and edited when it didn't even make sense to them LOL

[Tracian]

I must say....IF this is true...I like it that Ron was worried about her/them that he found someone to go check on them IMO

And, if this is true, we have no idea what Tommy told Ron. He may have told Ron that Misty was there, he knocked and woke her up.

That would also explain why Ron didn't worry about stopping off at the store on the way home, and has said to the effect, "I have no reason to believe that Misty was not at home" After all, he asked Tommy to check on her; further if this is true, it makes no sense that Ron would have Misty dispose of Haleigh, then send someone to the house to check on her.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend.

Which 'family members' are TJ referring to as 'involved', involved in what? .... receiving information, participating in Haleigh's disappearance, WHAT? .... and secondly, who is he referring to as not mentioning this information THIS weekend in their 'statements. :confused:

Definitely staying tuned to News Talk 97.3 The SKY for further updates!!!

[Justice4all]

Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend.

Which 'family members' are TJ referring to as 'involved', involved in what? .... receiving information, participating in Haleigh's disappearance, WHAT? .... and secondly, who is he referring to as not mentioning this information THIS weekend in their 'statements. :confused:

Definitely staying tuned to News Talk 97.3 The SKY for further updates!!!

well Now we know know why LE has been begging people to come forward if they saw Misty out that night.

IMO if this is true it's a BOMBSHELL

[Acey]

ITA, KatieLady! Why, it was just a week into Haleigh's case that the PCSO was already cash strapped. Granted, they were asking for federal and state help monetarily, but nothing was every in the media about that assistance (financially) being granted, imo.

Haleigh Search Taking Financial Toll On Sheriff's Office
Posted: 7:48 am EST February 17, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18729752/detail.html


Does anyone living in Putnam County know the County's fiscal year? Was there any flooding, forest fires, etc. earlier in the fiscal year that could have used up a lot of the annual funding resulting in a shortage of funds for the Sheriff's Office when Haleigh disappeared?

Where I live the local government fiscal year is October 1st to September 30th. In NJ it was July 1st to June 30th.

[KittyMom]

So, from the annoucement, we understand that in all the interviews that LE conducted with the Croslin family members this weekend, not one of them mentioned that Tommy had gone by the home at 10pm. So, does this mean that it was something no one else knew or that they are all trying to keep a lid on it?

[KatieLady]

Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend.

Which 'family members' are TJ referring to as 'involved', involved in what? .... receiving information, participating in Haleigh's disappearance, WHAT? .... and secondly, who is he referring to as not mentioning this information THIS weekend in their 'statements. :confused:

Definitely staying tuned to News Talk 97.3 The SKY for further updates!!!

Besides Misty (at least I think we know she was interviewed this weekend) who else do we know was called in?

[jakee]

And, if this is true, we have no idea what Tommy told Ron. He may have told Ron that Misty was there, he knocked and woke her up.

That would also explain why Ron didn't worry about stopping off at the store on the way home, and has said to the effect, "I have no reason to believe that Misty was not at home" After all, he asked Tommy to check on her; further if this is true, it makes no sense that Ron would have Misty dispose of Haleigh, then send someone to the house to check on her.

If this is true, Why hasn't Ron mentioned it before when on the talk shows? I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless LE told him not to say certain things?

[KatieLady]

So, from the annoucement, we understand that in all the interviews that LE conducted with the Croslin family members this weekend, not one of them mentioned that Tommy had gone by the home at 10pm. So, does this mean that it was something no one else knew or that they are all trying to keep a lid on it?

Sure starting to look like one big tangled web IMO

[Justice4all]

Hummm..now that can explain a lot, if Tommy called Ron back & said no one was home at 10:00.. or that the house was dark, possiblythey were sleeping..then Ron would know if Misty was in or out. Since he stopped for cigs & beer...I'm thinking he was under the impression they were at home.

I wonder if Tommy called Ron back.

I wonder if Tommy knocked on the door.

[KittyMom]

If this is true, Why hasn't Ron mentioned it before when on the talk shows? I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless LE told him not to say certain things?

LE will ask family members not to talk about certain facts.

[KatieLady]

I wonder if Tommy called Ron back.

I wonder if Tommy knocked on the door.

I hate it when we have more questions than answers :angry:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Besides Misty (at least I think we know she was interviewed this weekend) who else do we know was called in?

The only other family members we've heard about in the media are:

Lyndsy Croslin
Cousin Joe in Tennessee

Then, there's Kristina Prevatt, but IIRC, she's not 'family' unless there is a linkage somewhere.

[KatieLady]

The only other family members we've heard about in the media are:

Lyndsy Croslin
Cousin Joe in Tennessee

Then, there's Kristina Prevatt, but IIRC, she's not 'family' unless there is a linkage somewhere.

Thanks Lynn...those are the only ones I have heard about also

[jakee]

LE will ask family members not to talk about certain facts.

Thanks, that is what I thought, but wasn't sure. So now they are releasing this info for what? Scare Misty? If they knew about this info before from Ron, do you think LE already told Misty and she still didn't budge? Sorry, I am just trying to figure out this. I am not good at it.

[KittyMom]

"Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend"



Hi Kitty...I think the link said that all members of the family that were interviewed were given that information about Tommy being there around 10:00 and no one bothered to mention it to LE..that's what I took from the piece.

lol...okay, I was reading it as LE gave them the information but when they were talked to this weekend, none of them bothered to mention it in their statements. :confused: I'm confused. lol

[KatieLady]

STARTING????...OMG :lol:

:tonguewag: You got me!!! :lol:

[KittyMom]

Thanks, that is what I thought, but wasn't sure. So now they are releasing this info for what? Scare Misty? If they knew about this info before from Ron, do you think LE already told Misty and she still didn't budge? Sorry, I am just trying to figure out this. I am not good at it.

I think they're not just applying pressure to Misty but also to anyone else in that family that knows something and isn't talking. Now they can all sit around and wonder what else Tommy may'be spilled the beans on.

[?noanswer]

I sure hope Tommy is not saying this as payback for the RO. Also wondering what family members they are referring to. Croslins, Cummings, Sheffields, or all of the above. JMO

[willow]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

URGENT Haleigh Update: Hank Croslin Jr Talks, No One Home at 10pm Hour Night Child Was Abducted?

OMG, I am never at a loss for words but I am right now. Thank you Viva for posting the link.

[jakee]

I think they're not just applying pressure to Misty but also to anyone else in that family that knows something and isn't talking. Now they can all sit around and wonder what else Tommy may'be spilled the beans on.

Ooooh. Thanks again. That does make sense!

[KatieLady]

I sure hope Tommy is not saying this as payback for the RO. JMO

Me too! But he has to know that if he is lying to LE...he will be tons more trouble than he is now. At least I hope he does!!!

[cat3]

Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend.

Which 'family members' are TJ referring to as 'involved', involved in what? .... receiving information, participating in Haleigh's disappearance, WHAT? .... and secondly, who is he referring to as not mentioning this information THIS weekend in their 'statements. :confused:

Definitely staying tuned to News Talk 97.3 The SKY for further updates!!!

I'm confused as well.It sounds as though everyone on all sides got this information this weekend,but didn't say anything to the media? IMO

[Tracian]

I sure hope Tommy is not saying this as payback for the RO. JMO



I am sure the phone records back up what calls where made and to who; should this be correct, it makes sense why the times in question were changed.

[KittyMom]

Me too! But he has to know that if he is lying to LE...he will be tons more trouble than he is now. At least I hope he does!!!

I hope he wouldn't be so stupid. I'm guessing that LE pointed out the phone record with pings and other details and said...tell us why you were there or we'll just assume you're our man. Tommy had to have felt threatened to have revealed this at this late date, imo.

[KittyMom]

I'm confused as well.It sounds as though everyone on all sides got this information this weekend,but didn't say anything to the media? IMO

hmmm...could it mean statements to media? Who made statements besides the grandmothers? :confused:

[willow]

From the above link:

Can someone please explain to me WTH they are trying to say :confused:

"Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to chosen not to mention this information out of their statements this weekend."

LOL, glad you asked because that has been two statements today that I thought I was the only one having problems with. I was blaming it on my lack of sleep, but I guess others are having a hard time with some of the articles today also.

Weren't we all just discussing last week and wondering why after Misty turned off her phone why Ron didn't have Tommy to go check on Misty and the kids?

It seems he did, so I wonder why Ron did not take off work and come home? I am not blaming Ron I am just wondering if Tommy told on his sister that night or if this is the first time he has said anything.

Now, if I find out that Ron did know she was gone and did not come home to check on them then I might feel differently. I guess as new information is provided I will know.

[cat3]

All family memebrs interviewed had this info, (that Tommy was at the trailer @ 10:00 pm) that evening, but none of them mentioned it to LE in the interviews..that's what I understand. LE has "leaked" this sparse info to the press and that's our new web to untangle for today.

I need some coffee.lol.I have to go back and read the whole article.
Did it actually say the ones that were interviewed by LE?
That would be Misty and who else?

The way I read it is that all family knows as of this weekend but didn't make the information public. IMO

[A.M.]

As a parent...if someone is watching my child - and NOT answering the phone...I'd leave, where EVER I was - to go home and make sure things were okay.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why Ron wouldn't have gone home, at that moment, to check.

Seems......off.

[EMAA]

Am I wrong or didn't I read that Misty's brother had been at the trailer and smoked pot together? Don't mean to accuse anyone however, can't remember for sure. Could that be while he was there, if he was there. an opinion and question only

[teresa]

They may have a phone ping & call from the area around the trailer on Tommy's phone records, so he had to come clean about being in the area at that time of night..he now just can't pretend he was not there..they have evidence putting his body in that location at the hour on that day.

Can they pinpoint that specifically? Remember Tommy lives right down the road. I think the bus stop is 1 and 1/2 miles (?) and Tommy is about half way between Ron's old home and the bus stop? Either way, his cell phone would already be in that area.

[5boxersmom]

Maybe Tommy told Ron Misty and the kids were alright and that is why he didn't leave work. Because if something did happen they wouldn't want Ron to come home early.

Maybe Tommy was there helping Misty clean up?

Makes me sick to think about it.

jmo

[cat3]

hmmm...could it mean statements to media? Who made statements besides the grandmothers? :confused:

I don't recall an interview with Marie,but there was one with GGS.

There was also an article/interview with Ron,but maybe it was done earlier and was late getting published? IMO

[Justice4all]

OMG, I am never at a loss for words but I am right now. Thank you Viva for posting the link.

I kind of had that gut feeling from day one she left the house. I just wonder why Tommy didn't tell the LE sooner. Is he covering for Misty?





Tommy and Misty where is Haleigh?

[KittyMom]

Can they pinpoint that specifically? Remember Tommy lives right down the road. I think the bus stop is 1 and 1/2 miles (?) and Tommy is about half way between Ron's old home and the bus stop? Either way, his cell phone would already be in that area.

I don't know how much things have changed in the past couple of years, but, it came out during the initial Trenton Ducket investigation that cell tower's have a 5 mile radius. So, if Tommy stayed within his home and Ron's home then the same tower would've pinged for both places. If, however, he traveled outside of that 5 mile radius, then the next tower over would've pinged.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Am I wrong or didn't I read that Misty's brother had been at the trailer and smoked pot together? Don't mean to accuse anyone however, can't remember for sure. Could that be while he was there, if he was there. an opinion and question only

Steph Watts reported ... we know Tommy was there smoking marijuana earlier that evening. It was in reference to a comment by Misty about a red truck being 'there' that night while undergoing her Voice Analysis.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13487861&postcount=188

[KittyMom]

As a parent...if someone is watching my child - and NOT answering the phone...I'd leave, where EVER I was - to go home and make sure things were okay.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why Ron wouldn't have gone home, at that moment, to check.

Seems......off.
If he were told that things were fine and they were asleep why would he think it necessary to return home? I guess that answer lies with Tommy.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I asked the same thing earlier..this is what I got from LynnG


Originally Posted by Lynn Gweeny
The only other family members we've heard about in the media are:

Lyndsy Croslin
Cousin Joe in Tennessee

Annette Sykes-

[KittyMom]

I don't recall an interview with Marie,but there was one with GGS.

There was also an article/interview with Ron,but maybe it was done earlier and was late getting published? IMO

Sry, that should have been greatgrandmother.

[teresa]

Dang..you're right..and here I thought I had I had solved the mystery!!

lol, that's funny angellaw.

I wonder how that fits in with what they said on Nancy Grace - that Ron called Tommy and then Tommy called Timmy. Then there were "multiple" calls between Misty and Timmy at some point that evening if their reporting is correct.

[A.M.]

If he were told that things were fine and they were asleep why would he think it necessary to return home? I guess that answer lies with Tommy.

Is that something Tommy said earlier than this weekend?

Because the press release states that Tommy said that it appeared no one was home. No lights, no T.V....all was quiet. The press release didn't state anything about Tommy thinking they were asleep.

[Justice4all]

Maybe Tommy told Ron Misty and the kids were alright and that is why he didn't leave work. Because if something did happen they wouldn't want Ron to come home early.

Maybe Tommy was there helping Misty clean up?

Makes me sick to think about it.

jmo

The past few days every time i think about this case my tummy starts hurting.

LE have been looking for someone to put Misty outside the house and i think they just found someone. But i had no clue it would be her brother.

No one can tell me he's covering for RON.



moo

[teresa]

I don't know how much things have changed in the past couple of years, but, it came out during the initial Trenton Ducket investigation that cell tower's have a 5 mile radius. So, if Tommy stayed within his home and Ron's home then the same tower would've pinged for both places. If, however, he traveled outside of that 5 mile radius, then the next tower over would've pinged.

Thank you KittyMom. I've really ignorant about cell phone pings. I've done some reading lately and I'm still not sure if they can get a ping from a phone turned off. Do you know? What I read said some phones yes, some phones no, so the best thing to do to avoid it is to take out your battery.

[willow]

Sounds off to me. I'd like to know if Crosslin's story about this, matches cummings. In other words, did cummings tell LE he asked Hank jr to check on Misty.

I would like to know the answer to this question also. I hope TJHart does another update soon.

[cat3]

As a parent...if someone is watching my child - and NOT answering the phone...I'd leave, where EVER I was - to go home and make sure things were okay.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why Ron wouldn't have gone home, at that moment, to check.

Seems......off.

According to what we have read,he did send Tommy to check on Misty and also we have read that GGS was over there earlier as well.
Maybe Tommy told Ron that everything was okay in order to cover for Misty,or maybe Tommy really did think she was home at the time and just wouldn't answer the door.
What I can't figure out is why Tommy held on to this information and is just now telling LE.
He sat on this during the fight with RC and during Misty filing a protection order against him.Surely he should have been angry enough to spill the beans to LE.IMO

[KittyMom]

Is that something Tommy said earlier than this weekend?

Because the press release states that Tommy said that it appeared no one was home. No lights, no T.V....all was quiet. The press release didn't state anything about Tommy thinking they were asleep.

You are correct. I should've added a bigger IF.

[willow]

Keep in mind Tim Miller's reports about why Ron married Misty. Maybe he has known all along.

MOO

Then the question is, is LE just now finding out and if so why?

You would think with all of the interviews given to so many of the family members LE should have known this the first few days or at least I would think so.

[Justice4all]

Is that something Tommy said earlier than this weekend?

Because the press release states that Tommy said that it appeared no one was home. No lights, no T.V....all was quiet. The press release didn't state anything about Tommy thinking they were asleep.

Yeah i seriously doubt he went over there and didn't knock on the door.


MOO

[EMAA]

Thank you Lynn Gweeny.

I'm wondering if rather than telling Ron he went back over to check on Misty, if possibly he told Ron that she was there when he left the trailer. Partial truth if that is what was told. jmo

[KittyMom]

Thank you KittyMom. I've really ignorant about cell phone pings. I've done some reading lately and I'm still not sure if they can get a ping from a phone turned off. Do you know? What I read said some phones yes, some phones no, so the best thing to do to avoid it is to take out your battery.

It is my understanding that it depends on the model of the phone. I don't understand the technical stuff. I don't even have a clue about my own phone. But, (fwiu) there are phones that can be tracked even with turned off. I've also heard that taking out the battery is a way to not be tracked.

[titanfan217]

They may have a phone ping & call from the area around the trailer on Tommy's phone records, so he had to come clean about being in the area at that time of night..he now just can't pretend he was not there..they have evidence putting his body in that location at the hour on that day.

Would it had been different at the mobile home than Tommy's home?

[willow]

Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend.

Which 'family members' are TJ referring to as 'involved', involved in what? .... receiving information, participating in Haleigh's disappearance, WHAT? .... and secondly, who is he referring to as not mentioning this information THIS weekend in their 'statements. :confused:

Definitely staying tuned to News Talk 97.3 The SKY for further updates!!!

Lynn, you posted some great questions and I sure hope we have the answers soon.

Viva, I know you are needing help on figuring out how to look up the report TJHart sent to you, but I have no idea where to even start or I would try to help you.

[KittyMom]

Kitty MOM! You know, these past few weeks, every minute that I've read on Haleighs case, all I could think of was Trenton, and if they would find him as well. I was just thinking of him and read your post. He is always in the back of my mind.

It's good to know that LE is looking for something very specific according to their statements.

C'ya
Bug

I had my hopes up while the search was on for Caylee. It would be nice if the search for Haleigh turned up some clue. I can't stand the thought of these babies being thrown out like they have no value.

[KatieLady]

Would it had been different at the mobile home than Tommy's home?

It could be....Ron's house could be just far enough away to hit on the next tower. We just don't know......

IMO

[teresa]

Tommy's stuff finally made the court dockets. He does have a lawyer.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Piscitello said 'family', but he didn't say which members.
Quick assumption might be Croslins. Maybe protecting Misty.

But what if...
They all knew nobody was home at 10.

And what if...
That was the rat in the mailbox was pertaining to.

Because...
Dead rat means "if you tell, if you rat me out, you are a dead rat".
Ron told Tim Miller he took Misty with him to place the rat to see how well she could lie to cops as a test of how well she could lie to him.

[trucrime]

Wow Im shocked this didnt come out SOONER... its LATE SEPT!

WHERE IS HALEIGH?!!!

Not that I think Misty directly killed her (although she may have), but where was she that night? Where were the kids? Did she leave them alone?
JMO

[4Kids]

Where diid Misty want to go that evening? To "babysit" for whom? Where was Cousin Joe at 10:00 pm?

Also...one family member did choose to mention the possibilty of nobody being home....Didn't Lindsay refer to maybe something "just being stupid and maybe Misty was not home?"

Although there is now an indication that Tommy said Misty was not home, weren't there reprotedly many phone calls between Misty and Tommy that evening. Misty certainly wasn't answering Ron's call. Ron provided LE with all of his phone records a few weeks back. But she was answering Tommy's. Am I remembering this correctly?

IMO

[jaxback]

I had my hopes up while the search was on for Caylee. It would be nice if the search for Haleigh turned up some clue. I can't stand the thought of these babies being thrown out like they have no value.

I always keep Adji Immokalee in mind, too. Another beautiful little child in Florida, just vanished without a trace and missing for over nine months now. It's heartbreaking.:rose:

[KittyMom]

It could be....Ron's house could be just far enough away to hit on the next tower. We just don't know......

IMO

anyone know how to read cell tower maps?

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/

[willow]

If this is true, Why hasn't Ron mentioned it before when on the talk shows? I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless LE told him not to say certain things?

It doesn't make since to me either, so has Ron known this from the beginning or did he just find out this weekend?

I would think that LE also let Crystal know this weekend, at least I hope they did.

[JazzyBell]

AND IGNORE THE OTHER 30 AND TRU BOARDS I WILL.


"maybe misty will disappear"

"or she could"

"it's clear we "have"

"whoever helped her"

"more than likely"

"I really believe"

"he looked unhappy, miserable"

"I Imagine"

"he pretending"

"you are suggesting"

"implications are"

All the above is what??? Wishful thinking, you know this how,
gossip, rumors, speculation.

Well any further posts not "specific" about things that have happened or will happen with proof will be deleted first, next time posters banned.

You have been warned so many times it disgusting. You have taken this case so far off the planet at times you should be held to count by someone - maybe in court someday.

If you want a chat thread to spout your "guesses", "insults", "accusing"
"claiming you know how others feel" - take it to a different forum,
we will not leave this open for bashing any and all you talk to or about.

This forum is about a tragedy, you are turning it into a soap opera.
No one in the family or related to them SHOULD HAVE to read garbage like you have posted. If you feel that way about them, you all seem to be able to find info, write to the family and tell them.

This forum in the future will stay on topic, be respectful to people involved and to posters or you can find one that has no moderator and allows such unreal speculation.

Enjoy your day - either here or somewhere else.

Thank you. And what about having to wade through all the flowering roses with comments "Hope for ..." etc?

I suppose since they are not offensive, they are ok. It's just annoying.

[jakee]

Tommy's stuff finally made the court dockets. He does have a lawyer.

When do the sunshine laws come into play with Tommy, or don't they? My brain is fuzzy on this, and it shouldn't be after following Casey's case.
:blushing:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Tommy's stuff finally made the court dockets. He does have a lawyer.


Thanks, teresa. I just checked.

542009CF001653XXAXMX
2009-09-14
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

2009-09-21 3 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN

[KatieLady]

anyone know how to read cell tower maps?

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/

I did a search for Satsuma on there and I don't get anything. Should I be looking for another city?

[teresa]

Then the question is, is LE just now finding out and if so why?

You would think with all of the interviews given to so many of the family members LE should have known this the first few days or at least I would think so.

I would hope so Willow. It seems like they didn't check in too much detail since they went all the way to MA to go over the records with Timmy and Chelsea.

[4Kids]

I would hope so Willow. It seems like they didn't check in too much detail since they went all the way to MA to go over the records with Timmy and Chelsea.

Perhaps the new team just began investigating the phone records. Not sure how much time the old team spent on them. IMO

[cat3]

My memory is fuzzy,but wasn't it said that Tommy called Timmy after Ron called to have Tommy check on Misty?

So maybe Tommy called and told Timmy about Misty possibly not being home that night?

IMO

[KittyMom]

I did a search for Satsuma on there and I don't get anything. Should I be looking for another city?

I looked up the zip 32189.

Below the tech info are comments by people in the area. One gives the location of newest tower.

"west side of US 1 across from Seminole Wds and US 1"

[teresa]

Where diid Misty want to go that evening? To "babysit" for whom? Where was Cousin Joe at 10:00 pm?

Also...one family member did choose to mention the possibilty of nobody being home....Didn't Lindsay refer to maybe something "just being stupid and maybe Misty was not home?"

Although there is now an indication that Tommy said Misty was not home, weren't there reprotedly many phone calls between Misty and Tommy that evening. Misty certainly wasn't answering Ron's call. Ron provided LE with all of his phone records a few weeks back. But she was answering Tommy's. Am I remembering this correctly?

IMO

Sorry if already answered, but on NG, they said the multiple calls were between Misty and Timmy, not Tommy. I wonder if Tommy got the call from Ron, went over there and then called Timmy to help find Misty? That means at least Tommy, Timmy and most likely Joe knew that the home was either empty or the kids were alone. I would think if Misty left she'd leave the TV on in case one of the kids woke up.

[KittyMom]

KatieLady,
Now I'm thinking I linked the wrong site. At one time there was a site that showed the towers on a map, but I can't find the map. I must have the wrong site. I'll keep looking.

[KatieLady]

Sorry if already answered, but on NG, they said the multiple calls were between Misty and Timmy, not Tommy. I wonder if Tommy got the call from Ron, went over there and then called Timmy to help find Misty? That means at least Tommy, Timmy and most likely Joe knew that the home was either empty or the kids were alone. I would think if Misty left she'd leave the TV on in case one of the kids woke up.

All these "Y" names. I wish one of them would have just been named Joe...would be so much easier for this old brain to keep track of :rolleyes:

[KatieLady]

KatieLady,
Now I'm thinking I linked the wrong site. At one time there was a site that showed the towers on a map, but I can't find the map. I must have the wrong site. I'll keep looking.

Not sure I can even help if you find it Kitty...but if it does show that Tommy's house is on the edge of one tower...Ron's place could be picked up by a second. Hope that makes sense lol

[5boxersmom]

Could LE have known this info along at the is where they got the 10 pm from?

[teresa]

Perhaps the new team just began investigating the phone records. Not sure how much time the old team spent on them. IMO

Not enough it looks like. I would have thought that would be one of the first things they checked - to see who all Ron and Misty called that night. It looks like they may have only checked Misty's phone records, but even then they didn't question Timmy about the calls that we know of. I guess is it possible that LE has confronted Misty about this before but we were just not aware of it.

[KatieLady]

Could LE have known this info along at the is where they got the 10 pm from?

Very well could be....it makes sense IMO

[willow]

Hi willow..they re-wrote that press release..here is what they ment to say: thanks to KatieLady

Originally Posted by KatieLady
I think it has been reworded...it now says

"Ironically, all the family members involved were given this information by law enforcement and each appeared to choose not to mention this information in any of their statements this weekend"

Thank you, I am finally trying to get it straight in my head. Now, I am to the point of having so many unanswered questions.

[AmndaRcknwth]

KatieLady,
Now I'm thinking I linked the wrong site. At one time there was a site that showed the towers on a map, but I can't find the map. I must have the wrong site. I'll keep looking.

It would be impossible for us to figure it out anyways, unless we know the carrier and which carrier buys the air time from the other, etc.
Have we ever know what carriers R, M, T, T, L, C, A, T, L, H etc, etc etc have? (sorry about all the initials, lol)

[KatieLady]

It would be impossible for us to figure it out anyways, unless we know the carrier and which carrier buys the air time from the other, etc.
Have we ever know what carriers R, M, T, T, L, C, A, T, L, H etc, etc etc have? (sorry about all the initials, lol)

True Amnda....but Satsuma is pretty rural isn't it? How many towers could they have?

Maybe I just don't know enough.....

[teresa]

All these "Y" names. I wish one of them would have just been named Joe...would be so much easier for this old brain to keep track of :rolleyes:

Not Joe! We already have one Joe that was at Timmy's. Maybe Mike?

I'm wondering if the producer got mixed up and the calls were between Misty and Tommy and not Misty and Timmy? I wish she had said what time they were. That would help a lot.

[KittyMom]

Not sure I can even help if you find it Kitty...but if it does show that Tommy's house is on the edge of one tower...Ron's place could be picked up by a second. Hope that makes sense lol

Maybe this is better.
http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&init=28.5383,-81.3792,11&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,

It appears that Satsuma sits mack-dab in the middle of a triangle of cell towers. Who knows which one would ping?!

[AmndaRcknwth]

True Amnda....but Satsuma is pretty rural isn't it? How many towers could they have?

Maybe I just don't know enough.....

The area is not as important as who covers it. For example, if residents are able to choose a carrier, let's just say there are 5... Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint/Nextel, Metro PCS...
And in a rural area there might not be many towers.
It is more cost-effective for the carriers to buy the airtime from each other.

Clear as mud, I know.

[cat3]

Sorry if already answered, but on NG, they said the multiple calls were between Misty and Timmy, not Tommy. I wonder if Tommy got the call from Ron, went over there and then called Timmy to help find Misty? That means at least Tommy, Timmy and most likely Joe knew that the home was either empty or the kids were alone. I would think if Misty left she'd leave the TV on in case one of the kids woke up.

It has always been my theory that family(Croslin's) knew or suspected that Misty wasn't home that evening and that is why LE couldn't get anyone to come forward with information as to her whereabouts.IMO
I can't figure out why Tommy waited so long to give LE this information.
Maybe as someone else posted they did have this information all along,but were waiting for confirmation from someone other than a family member.IMO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Nancy Grace Just in – Investigators drain a Florida pond in the desperate search for missing tot Haleigh Cummings. Does the pond contain remains of the little 5-yr. old girl or is it another false alarm? This as a law enforcement source confirms Misty may not have been home the night Haleigh vanished! Check back for updates and stay tuned for the latest!

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

Breaking news -- Investigators drain a Florida pond in the desperate search for missing girl Haleigh Cummings. Will fresh tips lead to a break in the case, and is a killer on the loose? Plus, shocking new questions about whether Haleigh's stepmom babysitter was actually home the night she vanished. Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments, 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[KittyMom]

For What Its Worth

I email TJ Hart at the Sky973.com. I asked for him to clarify what statements were being referred to. His reply was "media".

:confused:

[Justice4all]

Thanks, teresa. I just checked.

542009CF001653XXAXMX
2009-09-14
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

2009-09-21 3 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN

Hmmmmm i wonder what's in that letter.

[KatieLady]

The area is not as important as who covers it. For example, if residents are able to choose a carrier, let's just say there are 5... Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint/Nextel, Metro PC...
And in a rural area there might not be many towers.
It is more cost-effective for the carriers to buy the airtime from each other.

Clear as mud, I know.

LOL Amnda....It makes more sense then the stuff that has been written in the press this morning :lol:

Thank you!!

[W_D_1]

When do the sunshine laws come into play with Tommy, or don't they? My brain is fuzzy on this, and it shouldn't be after following Casey's case.
:blushing:



Tommy was arrested on a theft charge. I believe the Sunshine Law would allow release of documents pertaining to that charge only.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Just noticed this after I posted the NG show information above:

Breaking news -- Investigators drain a Florida pond in the desperate search for missing girl Haleigh Cummings. Will fresh tips lead to a break in the case, and is a killer on the loose? :confused: Plus, shocking new questions about whether Haleigh's stepmom babysitter was actually home the night she vanished. Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments, 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Misprint?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[KatieLady]

For What Its Worth

I email TJ Hart at the Sky973.com. I asked for him to clarify what statements were being referred to. His reply was "media".

:confused:

Thank you Kitty! Just confuses things even more....at least for me IMO

[willow]

I kind of had that gut feeling from day one she left the house. I just wonder why Tommy didn't tell the LE sooner. Is he covering for Misty?





Tommy and Misty where is Haleigh?

I don't know a good question and one I hope to find out very soon.

[5boxersmom]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Prime-News/93710322266?ref=nf


Prime News Just coming in: Shocking revelations about the night little Haleigh Cummings vanished... step mom Misty's brother tells cops that Misty wasn't even home. Police say Misty has been inconsistent since day one. Could this be why? Just hours ag...o, investigators drained a pond nearby. We’re talking to Mike Brooks for all the details.

[CANDYKISSES]

Thank you. And what about having to wade through all the flowering roses with comments "Hope for ..." etc?

I suppose since they are not offensive, they are ok. It's just annoying.


You can disable the icons when you are replying to a thread and from that point on, you shouldn't see them. :thumbsup:

[jakee]

Tommy was arrested on a theft charge. I believe the Sunshine Law would allow release of documents pertaining to that charge only.


Well shoot! :smile: That makes sense. Guess I got confused because although he was arrested on theft charges, they seemed to gather info on Misty? Oh well, I guess I will have to be patient. Thank you for the reply.

[Justice4all]

Just noticed this after I posted the NG show information above:

Breaking news -- Investigators drain a Florida pond in the desperate search for missing girl Haleigh Cummings. Will fresh tips lead to a break in the case, and is a killer on the loose? :confused: Plus, shocking new questions about whether Haleigh's stepmom babysitter was actually home the night she vanished. Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments, 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Misprint?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

bad choice of words IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Prime-News/93710322266?ref=nf


Prime News Just coming in: Shocking revelations about the night little Haleigh Cummings vanished... step mom Misty's brother tells cops that Misty wasn't even home. Police say Misty has been inconsistent since day one. Could this be why? Just hours ag...o, investigators drained a pond nearby. We’re talking to Mike Brooks for all the details.

I thought they were using AH for this case. Did CNN/NG switch over to using Mike Brooks now?

I hope these allegations are confirmed prior to show time. JMO.

[5boxersmom]

So where does the babysitting for other kids fit into this? Was it Tommy's kids Misty wanted to babysit?

[W_D_1]

Not enough it looks like. I would have thought that would be one of the first things they checked - to see who all Ron and Misty called that night. It looks like they may have only checked Misty's phone records, but even then they didn't question Timmy about the calls that we know of. I guess is it possible that LE has confronted Misty about this before but we were just not aware of it.



They did say recently that they had evidence that contradicted Misty's claims that she was asleep at 10....IIRC it was in the "Haleigh's birthday" articles.

[HouseOfClark]

Could LE have known this info along at the is where they got the 10 pm from?

Yes they could have, IMO. Is there any timeframe where Tommy is alleged to have told them this? If not, he could have told them back in February.

JMO

[KittyMom]

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&init=28.5383,-81.3792,11&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,

Map that shows position of towers around Satsuma, Fl

http://www.cellreception.com/search.php?zip=32189&page=2

Website that lets folks rate cell coverage in the Satsuma, Fl area.

I'm not the best at dicipering maps and cell technology, but it appears that if the 5 mile rule still applies, it must be difficult to get full cell coverage in the Satsuma area. It would appear that the towers are more than 5 miles apart. In the bottom link, comments are made about the how calls are often dropped or go straight to voicemail due to poor coverage. Could it be that all the calls between parties that night might have more to do with no coverage than anythng sinister? Not that I doubt that something happened. But it might be that the number of calls was no different any other night of the year if coverage is iffy at best. :shrug:

[HouseOfClark]

They did say recently that they had evidence that contradicted Misty's claims that she was asleep at 10....IIRC it was in the "Haleigh's birthday" articles.

But they didn't indicate that had just found that out, nor did they indicate they had known it all along.

And Haleigh's birthday was well before Tommy was arrested and the trip to Timmy and Lindsy's house, wasn't it?

[Dunlurken]

Misty has claimed that she went to bed at 10:00 p.m. after putting the kids down at 8:00 p.m.

[willow]

Annette Sykes-

Viva, have you figured out the report or something that TJHart sent to you? I would try to help you but I have no idea on how to even start trying to figure it out.

[Survivor]

My Nancy Grace Facebook page says things a little different....

...Nancy Grace Just in – Investigators drain a Florida pond in the desperate search for missing tot Haleigh Cummings. Does the pond contain remains of the little 5-yr. old girl or is it another false alarm? This as a law enforcement source confirms Misty may not ha...ve been home the night Haleigh vanished! Check back for updates and stay tuned for the latest!Read More
34 minutes ago · Comment · Like / Unlike

Why would these statements appear different if they all came off her FB page :confused:

[W_D_1]

But they didn't indicate that had just found that out, nor did they indicate they had known it all along.

And Haleigh's birthday was well before Tommy was arrested and the trip to Timmy and Lindsy's house, wasn't it?


You are right and I had the wrong time frame. It was said when Tim announced Misty had failed the polygraph so it was the end of August. And no, the police didn't indicate what evidence the had only that it contradicted Misty's claims and then they renewed the request for people who could place her out of the home to come forward.

[HouseOfClark]

My Nancy Grace Facebook page says things a little different....

...Nancy Grace Just in – Investigators drain a Florida pond in the desperate search for missing tot Haleigh Cummings. Does the pond contain remains of the little 5-yr. old girl or is it another false alarm? This as a law enforcement source confirms Misty may not ha...ve been home the night Haleigh vanished! Check back for updates and stay tuned for the latest!Read More
34 minutes ago · Comment · Like / Unlike

Why would these statements appear different if they all came off her FB page :confused:

She read where CW was watching and she had to take the "killer on the loose" part out?

:biggrinjester:

[KatieLady]

My Nancy Grace Facebook page says things a little different....

...Nancy Grace Just in – Investigators drain a Florida pond in the desperate search for missing tot Haleigh Cummings. Does the pond contain remains of the little 5-yr. old girl or is it another false alarm? This as a law enforcement source confirms Misty may not ha...ve been home the night Haleigh vanished! Check back for updates and stay tuned for the latest!Read More
34 minutes ago · Comment · Like / Unlike

Why would these statements appear different if they all came off her FB page :confused:

It seems they have been editing like crazy Survivor. Lynn posted a link from her website that was changed significantly a few minutes later.

[teresa]

They did say recently that they had evidence that contradicted Misty's claims that she was asleep at 10....IIRC it was in the "Haleigh's birthday" articles.

I remember that. I think the new FDLE investigator is very thorough.

[HouseOfClark]

I remember that. I think the new FDLE investigator is very thorough.

So is this the third lead investigator that they've had?

[KatieLady]

She read where CW was watching and she had to take the "killer on the loose" part out?

:biggrinjester:

You owe me a new monitor :angry:

:lol:

[Dunlurken]

I remember that. I think the new FDLE investigator is very thorough.

Is the guy with "fresh eyes"? Maybe that's why things are starting to happen. JMO.

ETA: I still think Tommy is "talking".

[willow]

Tommy's stuff finally made the court dockets. He does have a lawyer.

Did he hire an attorney or is it a public defender? Is he going to be bonded out soon or do you know?

[jakee]

From the Sky 973 link:

"... Tommy told PSCO detectives that he went down to Ron’s trailer in the 10pm hour, ..."

Perhaps Tommy also did not check his watch for any particular reason. The phone ping could nail it down, but the article does not.

The reason I am mentioning this is that early on, IIRC, Misty said she went to bed at 10PM, but more recently has that not shifted later to 10:30-11:00PM in RC interviews? :shrug:

Now that you mention it, I do believe I too saw on a television interview or read that Misty's bedtime changed recently. I guess she was just giving an estimate give or take a half hour or so.

[KatieLady]

From the Sky 973 link:

"... Tommy told PSCO detectives that he went down to Ron’s trailer in the 10pm hour, ..."

Perhaps Tommy also did not check his watch for any particular reason. The phone ping could nail it down, but the article does not.

The reason I am mentioning this is that early on, IIRC, Misty said she went to bed at 10PM, but more recently has that not shifted later to 10:30-11:00PM in RC interviews? :shrug:

revisiting this...

the 10pm hour can mean between 10 and 11...right? Just trying to keep this all straight

[Dunlurken]

Did he hire an attorney or is it a public defender? Is he going to be bonded out soon or do you know?

The bond is $50,000 which we thought was high for stealing an antique gun and having your parents return it. I don't think the family can come up with $5,000. JMO.

[?noanswer]

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-14 1 GRAND THEFT FIRARM
2009-09-14 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $50,004.00 TJL
2009-09-16 4 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
2009-09-16 5 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-09-16 5 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-09-16 5 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-09-16 5 $50,000.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-09-16 6 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-09-16 7 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-09-16 8 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-09-21 3 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN

[teresa]

So is this the third lead investigator that they've had?

I think he is just the second FDLE investigator assigned to the task force. Dominic Pape was the first one and I can't remember the second one's name. Jason somebody, I think. A long name that starts with a J.

The Putnam task force has had two also that they have told us about.

[W_D_1]

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-14 1 GRAND THEFT FIRARM
2009-09-14 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $50,004.00 TJL
2009-09-16 4 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
2009-09-16 5 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-09-16 5 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-09-16 5 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-09-16 5 $50,000.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-09-16 6 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-09-16 7 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-09-16 8 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-09-21 3 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN



Well that answers one question. Tommy was arraigned within the allowed time.

[teresa]

Did he hire an attorney or is it a public defender? Is he going to be bonded out soon or do you know?

His court record says public defender appointed for first appearance only. Then there is that declaration of insolvency that gets filed before you get assigned a pubic defender for the rest of the case. They didn't name one as assigned yet.

[Justice4all]

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-14 1 GRAND THEFT FIRARM
2009-09-14 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $50,004.00 TJL
2009-09-16 4 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
2009-09-16 5 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-09-16 5 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-09-16 5 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-09-16 5 $50,000.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-09-16 6 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-09-16 7 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-09-16 8 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-09-21 3 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN

I wonder what the letter from Lindsy's about. :confused:

I've never seen anything like that before.

[Kathlb]

Piscitello said 'family', but he didn't say which members.
Quick assumption might be Croslins. Maybe protecting Misty.

But what if...
They all knew nobody was home at 10.

And what if...
That was the rat in the mailbox was pertaining to.

Because...
Dead rat means "if you tell, if you rat me out, you are a dead rat".
Ron told Tim Miller he took Misty with him to place the rat to see how well she could lie to cops as a test of how well she could lie to him.

Those are all very good questions Amanda. And all could be true. The rat in the mailbox has always bothered me. And so did the statement that Ron took Misty along to see how well she could keep a secret. And now with Hank saying that she wasn't home or they were all sleeping soundly at 10 pm. there is more that bothers me. Especially if he really had been there earlier in the evening smoking dope.

So all we're left with are still unanswered questions. And what did Tommy supposedly tell Ron? And if so also, why didn't Ron come right home when he couldn't get an answer? He knew what she had supposedly been doing earlier in the weekend according to Ron himself. He knew about she and the black guy, Greg, and the drugs. More is coming out, but LE is not quite there yet. I think they know Tommy knows and are holding him under a large bond to sweat it out of him. JMHO

[?noanswer]

I wonder what the letter from Lindsy's about. :confused:

I've never seen anything like that before.

I don't know what Lindsy wrote, but were I in that situation, I would ask for the bail amount to be reduced and if I knew the circumstances regarding the gun and knew my husband was not the guilty one, I would give those details also.


JMO

[Motomom]

I wonder what the letter from Lindsy's about. :confused:

I've never seen anything like that before.

Been gone the weekend, but pretty much caught up. Could the letter to the judge be in regards to lowering bail maybe?

[W_D_1]

I don't know what Lindsy wrote, but were I in that situation, I would ask for the bail amount to be reduced and if I knew the circumstances regarding the gun and knew my husband was not the guilty one, I would give those details also.


JMO


That's what the trial is for. I don't think letters to the judge are appropriate.

[5boxersmom]

If Ron admitted to putting the rat in the mailbox why is he not charged with anything?

If he did it to see how well Misty could lie to the cops then why would he tell the truth about it?

Just so confusing. :confused:

[5boxersmom]

Been gone the weekend, but pretty much caught up. Could the letter to the judge be in regards to lowering bail maybe?

That is what I was thinking it may have to do with.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

I don't know what Lindsy wrote, but were I in that situation, I would ask for the bail amount to be reduced and if I knew the circumstances regarding the gun and knew my husband was not the guilty one, I would give those details also.


JMO

Let us not forget Lindsey was brought in for questioning.... was it yesterday or the day before? JMO. She had her kids in tow IIRC.

[Dunlurken]

That's what the trial is for. I don't think letters to the judge are appropriate.


They happen all the time. Not sure if it's before a trial, or after someone has been charged with something, however minute. And since Tommy aka Hank Jr has been charged, maybe that's why Lindsey felt the need to do so. JMO

[willow]

Piscitello said 'family', but he didn't say which members.
Quick assumption might be Croslins. Maybe protecting Misty.

But what if...
They all knew nobody was home at 10.

And what if...
That was the rat in the mailbox was pertaining to.

Because...
Dead rat means "if you tell, if you rat me out, you are a dead rat".
Ron told Tim Miller he took Misty with him to place the rat to see how well she could lie to cops as a test of how well she could lie to him.

Wow, this post make a lot of sense to me. In fact, it looks like a puzzle that is starting to fit together when your read it.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Let us not forget Lindsey was brought in for questioning.... was it yesterday or the day before? JMO. She had her kids in tow IIRC.

She was brought in by a male and female officer 9/18, with no kids. It was on a news video.

[Dunlurken]

Why do I keep waffeling (sp?) about Ron? I'm not following the logic here. Why would he put a dead rat in the mail box and show it to Misty? JMO.

It's kind of like the mafia used to put a dead fish on the front steps porch if you ask me. (Not suggesting the mafia is involved before anyone thinks I am.) JMO.

[Justice4all]

Been gone the weekend, but pretty much caught up. Could the letter to the judge be in regards to lowering bail maybe?

That's what i'm thinking. I hope we find out soon.

[Dunlurken]

She was brought in by a male and female officer 9/18, with no kids. It was on a news video.
Thank you for clarifying.

So, it was a Friday. Makes sense.

[sammy62]

does anyone know where I can find a "list of characters" in this script. I haven't followed this for a long time, and get confused easily. tia

[AmndaRcknwth]

Why do I keep waffeling (sp?) about Ron? I'm not following the logic here. Why would he put a dead rat in the mail box and show it to Misty? JMO.

It's kind of like the mafia used to put a dead fish on the front steps porch if you ask me. (Not suggesting the mafia is involved before anyone thinks I am.) JMO.

Me too. Back and forth. Back and forth. I just don't even know what to think.

[HouseOfClark]

Wasn't it said somewhere by someone that she (Misty) always left the light on? And Tommy saw no lights on? Or a TV light? Hmmmmm.

IIRC, it was TN that said it. As I recall it was something about the tv being on all the time, or all night.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

So.........Tommy has placed himself at the scene during the crucial; hours.
Very interesting.
Just got online and saw the reports...

I'm wondering WHEN he told LE this.

[Motomom]

IIRC, it was TN that said it. As I recall it was something about the tv being on all the time, or all night.

JMO

Yes.. a TV on all night. Not a light. I just think Tommy is just getting closer and closer to spilling the the whole can of beans. Hopefully a few more days will do the trick. IF Misty was out, she wasn't out by herself IMO. There is no reason for whoever she was out with (IF she was out) not to step fwd unless they themselves are involved.

I'm glad LE did not find Haleigh in the bottom of the pond, because that still gives me a little bit of hope that she may be alive, out there somewhere.

[Pat]

trigger, whatever Misty did, I don't think she removed the children or took the children with her. IMO, Jr. would have told long ago if he'd been somewhere with Misty late at night, especially without HaLeigh.

[CFMom]

Ok Thanx. That B***h wasn't even home. Theres no crime scene there because she wasn't even home and took the kids with her. But where? I think we will find out. Hope we find out the truth from Misty. I just wish Ron would get it out of her. She left upset and forgot to leave a light on.

Poor Ron...this is just getting worse. I wonder if JR was asleep or if he was awake when they left.

[Lynn Gweeny]

I'm wondering WHEN he told LE this.

While being questioned last week Hank Croslin Jr gave up this new information.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

[willow]

Thanks, teresa. I just checked.

542009CF001653XXAXMX
2009-09-14
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

2009-09-21 3 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN

Teresa- If you are on-line or if someone will help me. How do I find these letters, etc? I have never followed a case in FL and I don't know how all these public records work.

I click on the disclaimer and then it gave several buttons - what do I do from there?

P.S. I changed name - I apologize I realized Teresa posted the link not Lynn.

[Neffy]

while being questioned last week hank croslin jr gave up this new information.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

whoaaaaaaaaa!