9/19 -9/20 Weekend Thread

[msgatorslayer]

It's so quiet here this morning. Don't everyone post at once, lol.

[KatieLady]

Morning Msgator!

Looks like a lot of people are on Haleigh's thread....waiting to see what is happening at the pond. :sad:

I remember well, the day poor Caylee was found. Seemed like it took hours and hours to hear anything.

[spydernweb2006]

I still cant believe the sense of entitlement this defense has. Maybe IF the defense stopped this charade of asking for stuff way beyond the scope of the law maybe Casey could settle into the reality of her situation and not be so stressed!!!! IMO if Casey didnt want to be so stressed she should have not stolen, lied and killed her daughter! I dont think its the LE, Jail or publics problem to "fix" her situation to her liking....

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[spydernweb2006]

How long will it be before Cindy uses that money for a tummy tuck and a face lift I wonder??

Bugged by this

I wonder how long till Cindy asks or is offered her own talk show????
:cursing::cursing::cursing:

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder


ETA: not enough coffee and forgot to add my sig and JMHO!

[msgatorslayer]

Morning Msgator!

Looks like a lot of people are on Haleigh's thread....waiting to see what is happening at the pond. :sad:

I remember well, the day poor Caylee was found. Seemed like it took hours and hours to hear anything.

Yeah, I was over there reading. Quite confusing how one article says they're looking for Haleigh and others say they're not. I've never seen LE drain a pond for stolen property. Course, LE isn't confirming what is going on.

I remember the day well too. Even Mr. Gator called me from work thinking I somehow missed the news. Silly boy!! And yes, it took forever for LE to confirm. At least with Caylee, we knew LE had found a 'child skeleton'. We knew!

[msgatorslayer]

I'm sorry my gatr queen slayer, I was busy writing this to 48 hrs complaint:

How dare you give this accomplis to this babies death, any air time at ALL! At this stage of the game if you don't know the details of this case, stay out of the way. Giving this yahoo air time will only further her cause which is to ignore Caylee's death and focus on one thing: Getting her daughter FREED from PRISON!

Larry King Listened to us, Oprah listened to us, you would be a fool not to. Unless of course you ask her the hard questions like when did she find out Caylee was buried there? Was she on the phone with
Dominc Casey that day he searched for her body Did she direct him there to that location and why did she use Chloroform to wash out caseys car? Only a cop or a nurse would know about that. Pin her down. Otherwise, cancel this "interview" and DO THE RIGHT THING FOR CAYLEE because her family NEVER WILL!!!!


How long will it be before Cindy uses that money for a tummy tuck and a face lift I wonder??

Bugged by this

:thumbsup: You tell em, Bug!!

{Snort} about the tummy tuck and face lift.

[msgatorslayer]

I still cant believe the sense of entitlement this defense has. Maybe IF the defense stopped this charade of asking for stuff way beyond the scope of the law maybe Casey could settle into the reality of her situation and not be so stressed!!!! IMO if Casey didnt want to be so stressed she should have not stolen, lied and killed her daughter! I dont think its the LE, Jail or publics problem to "fix" her situation to her liking....

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

They've all been helping Casey with her sense of entitlement and notion that she can and will get away with this. It's not going to stop. It will probaby get worse, as the trial closes in. Anything for the princess!!:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes.

[KatieLady]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes?

So sorry for your loss legal :rose:

Terrible isn't it when normal people have more love in their hearts for their pet than Casey did for her own flesh and blood! IMO

[Rapunzel]

For Julie Dupree...she was looking for this video 5/28/09 video after hearing from AL...

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

[legalmania]

So sorry for your loss legal :rose:

Terrible isn't it when normal people have more love in their hearts for their pet than Casey did for her own flesh and blood! IMO

Thank you KatieLady please board I wasn't looking for a whole lot of attention as some would say. I know almost everyone here has had to put down an animal and knows how it feels. I know nobody on this board had ever thought of getting rid of a two year old.

[spydernweb2006]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes.

Im so sorry for your loss...

IMO Casey is a sociopath and incapable of having an ounce of care for anyone but herself. Surely her Parents knew this and should have looked out for lil Caylee or encouraged Casey to adopt out Caylee as a baby. Personally I blame the whole bunch for Caylee's murder, not just Casey. IMO NOONE in the Anthony house gave a rats patoot for that adorable lil baby and they all deserve what will eventually come around to them...

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Rapunzel]

Sorry Legal...:sad::sad:

[cassidy]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes.

Awwwwww Legal, I'm so sorry. We had to put our 17 year old cat down right after Christmas last year. I STILL miss him and probably will forever. He had mouth cancer and was suffering but those words were still so very difficult to say. It does make you wonder how people can act to cold heartedly towards the death of a child. If we miss our animals this much how much harder would it be to lose a child or grandchild?

JMO

[legalmania]

For Julie Dupree...she was looking for this video 5/28/09 video after hearing from AL...

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Thank you Rapunzel, can't wait to see these motions.

[legalmania]

Awwwww Legal, I'm so sorry. We had to put our 17 year old cat down right after Christmas last year. I STILL miss him and probably will forever. He had mouth cancer and was suffering but those words were still so very difficult to say. It does make you wonder how people can act to cold heartedly towards the death of a child. If we miss our animals this much how much harder would it be to lose a child or grandchild?

JMO

They say that whatever religion you are, doesn't give you more than you can handle, well I can not handle losing a child, so please do not pick me.

[marinewife5]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes.

a little boy my daughter went to school with passed away last month from cancer. he was diagnosed 2 weeks after his 2nd birthday. his parents fought with every fiber of their being to save his life. and they didn't even have to think about it....it was the natural reaction for a normal parent. they didn't think that new tattoos or clubbing or shopping was the solution to their problems. let george and cindy try to pawn their bears at St. Judes.

so sorry about your cat.

jmo

[legalmania]

a little boy my daughter went to school with passed away last month from cancer. he was diagnosed 2 weeks after his 2nd birthday. his parents fought with every fiber of their being to save his life. and they didn't even have to think about it....it was the natural reaction for a normal parent. they didn't think that new tattoos or clubbing or shopping was the solution to their problems. let george and cindy try to pawn their bears at St. Judes.

so sorry about your cat.

jmo

It's so awful. Those people would have done anything to keep their son alive and here Casey just throws it away, like saying oh I can get another one at anytime.

[legalmania]

They've all been helping Casey with her sense of entitlement and notion that she can and will get away with this. It's not going to stop. It will probaby get worse, as the trial closes in. Anything for the princess!!:rolleyes:

Is the sense of entitlement what the video was talking about? Confused.

[martha]

Good morning everyone still way behind because I can;t get time to come on the board and catch up. I just can;t understand why they can ask for this case to be thrown out. I am not very smart but what the heck or they thinking? A beautiful little girl was killed and someone did it. If I was g and c and this was my gb that had been killed then no matter who it hurt I would have to stand up and tell the truth about what I knew about it. I would have to do that for my gb. she would be gone and I would have to do the only thing I could for her now.c and g need to stand up for CAYLEE it is the least thing they can do.There is nothing elce they can do for her now.Just breaks my heart that they will not stand up for CAYLEE. jmho.:wub:

[martha]

Legal, so sorry for your loss.

IMO Casey does not have emotions as we know them and does not feel pain as we feel it. She did what she did for all selfish reasons. Just like Tracy said when she was talking about what a cute baby Caylee was and Casey brought out her baby pictures and said but look, this is ME when I was a baby.

Ugh! Selfish. Self centered. She makes me sick.

2w4uI T A and she makes me sick too. jmho:wub:

[legalmania]

Good morning everyone still way behind because I can;t get time to come on the board and catch up. I just can;t understand why they can ask for this case to be thrown out. I am not very smart but what the heck or they thinking? A beautiful little girl was killed and someone did it. If I was g and c and this was my gb that had been killed then no matter who it hurt I would have to stand up and tell the truth about what I knew about it. I would have to do that for my gb. she would be gone and I would have to do the only thing I could for her now.c and g need to stand up for CAYLEE it is the least thing they can do.There is nothing elce they can do for her now.Just breaks my heart that they will not stand up for CAYLEE. jmho.:wub:

Martha you should give yourself more credit, don't say your not that smart. Your sick remember and that sometimes makes you have low self esteem. Your just a smart as anybody.

[martha]

Martha you should give yourself more credit, don't say your not that smart. Your sick remember and that sometimes makes you have low self esteem. Your just a smart as anybody.Oh thank you so very much for the kind words.love you so very much.jmo:rose:

[sydney]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes.

legal, sorry for your loss.

i have been a pet owner for all my life. i see putting your pet "down" as mercy for a poor, dumb creature that can't speak on their own, tell you how much they are suffering and asking to be released to their creator. we are, after all, for both our children and our pets, only caretakers - they are only loaned to us temporarily and it's our job to see to it that they are as well taken care of as we can possibly do. i also see animals as being more in touch with the afterlife than us poor humans (all right everyone - get ready to take aim and fire), but i feel i can learn a lot from how they live. when i've had to put a beloved pet to sleep, it seems like they know the joys that are waiting beyond this life. they go peacefully and quietly, and almost with gratitude.

dear me, i'm crying right now. i just wish i had the confidence in the afterlife that my animals have!

i am also convinced, however, that young children are just as knowing as animals are (again, no offense). it seems that the younger you are, the lower to the ground, so to speak, the closer to God you are.

i also believe that we are put here on earth for a purpose known only to God and, when we have accomplished what He desires, he call us home to our reward.

ready to get banned right now, but that's how i feel. caylee served God's purpose on this earth, no matter that we don't know or understand what it was, and now she is with her Father. perhaps her purpose was to bring to light how "perfect" families are not really "perfect" and to warn all grandparents that, no matter how "perfect" you think your son/daughter are, when they have a child, it's up to you, ultimately, to see that that child is well cared for. dunno.

later, dudes.

[Barbara fl.]

I wonder how long till Cindy asks or is offered her own talk show????
:cursing::cursing::cursing:

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder


ETA: not enough coffee and forgot to add my sig and JMHO!


Don't be surprised if that really does happen....I wouldn't put anything past this famly......maybe a reality show....

[Barbara fl.]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes.




I am so sorry for your loss....I still haven't stopped praying for our Diamond to return....I know how hard it is to lose a pet, they become part of the family....

I too can not understand what could possibly push anyone to that point of taking your own childs life...she had to be struggling for her little life......but Casey will get hers, no doubt...her hell has yet to begin...

[sydney]

I am so sorry for your loss....I still haven't stopped praying for our Diamond to return....I know how hard it is to lose a pet, they become part of the family....

I too can not understand what could possibly push anyone to that point of taking your own childs life...she had to be struggling for her little life......but Casey will get hers, no doubt...her hell has yet to begin...

caylee had became a nuisance, a hindrance, nothing more, nothing less.

kc was not "pushed" into taking her life. she just decided to gain total freedom and erased the only thing stopping her from living her bella vida or whatever the darn tatoo said

[sydney]

i wouldn't be surprised if, at some point during this whole masquerade, cindy doesn't announce that she will be representing herself and george, since she's gotten her law degree. wasn't kc reading up on law as well? gmab. someone who couldn't pass an english course (she was short one credit) in order to graduate! LMAO. english is hard enough, let alone legalese!

[sydney]

Sydney, that was a very heartfelt post. You worded that very nicely.:rose:

thank you. if i have to buy a new dress, i will. it was worth it to me.

[sydney]

Hi Everyone !
Can someone tell me when the 48 Hours episode will air ? On the website there is no date mentioned ? Maybe they have scheduled it yet ?
TIA

L4L

Oh and I also wrote a complaint to CBS about the Anthony's and their lies etc...and how they MUST expose their lies and cover ups if they are going to interview them !!!! :cursing:

hey, live! most folks on here are protesting the airing (don't remember the website where you can log your protest) however, i, for one, hope they DO air it. i would like to see it admitted at kc's trial (if that's possible) to show how far her parents will go with their lying and deceit to "prove" that kc is innocent. i am especially interested in seeing if the invisi-nanny is mentioned!

[sydney]

[QUOTE=bugout;13490940How long will it be before Cindy uses that money for a tummy tuck and a face lift I wonder??

Bugged by this[/QUOTE]

(snipped by me)

how do we know she hasn't done this already? perhaps being more "attractive" will cause more people to become involved with missing children? perhaps she thinks that, since john walsh is attractive (ok, to ME he is), it will help her?

[Barbara fl.]

caylee had became a nuisance, a hindrance, nothing more, nothing less.

kc was not "pushed" into taking her life. she just decided to gain total freedom and erased the only thing stopping her from living her bella vida or whatever the darn tatoo said


If Caylee was a nuisance, a hinderance to Casey...then that is what pushed her...that is not to say that it was the norm for a parent to be pushed to this.....Bottom line is that she is a cold blooded murderer to have done something like this.....and she will get hers.....

[martha]

(snipped by me)

how do we know she hasn't done this already? perhaps being more "attractive" will cause more people to become involved with missing children? perhaps she thinks that, since john walsh is attractive (ok, to ME he is), it will help her?I would not doubt cindy has not already had this done. looks is everything to her excep money comes first to her in her world. same with g.and lee and casey.jmho

[martha]

If Caylee was a nuisance, a hinderance to Casey...then that is what pushed her...that is not to say that it was the norm for a parent to be pushed to this.....Bottom line is that she is a cold blooded murderer to have done something like this.....and she will get hers.....Oh honey I always love to read what you post because it gives me hope that casey will not get away with what she did to CAYLEE. I get so down at times with all this stuff they keep bringing up and get scared they will let her of but when I read your post yo give me new hope. I will keep praying for Caylee.even tho i know she is ok now.In God;s arms.jmho:rose:

[Barbara fl.]

Oh honey I always love to read what you post because it gives me hope that casey will not get away with what she did to CAYLEE. I get so down at times with all this stuff they keep bringing up and get scared they will let her of but when I read your post yo give me new hope. I will keep praying for Caylee.even tho i know she is ok now.In God;s arms.jmho:rose:


Hi Martha,

You can rest assure that Casey will never see the outside world again other then looking thru bars....There is not a defense team big enough to get her off of this....Cindy and George would have to be the whole jury for that to happen....:laugh:

Casey needs to make herself real comfortable (for the rest of her life)....in jail....

[martha]

Hi Martha,

You can rest assure that Casey will never see the outside world again other then looking thru bars....There is not a defense team big enough to get her off of this....Cindy and George would have to be the whole jury for that to happen....:laugh:

Casey needs to make herself real comfortable (for the rest of her life)....in jail.... I know you or so right and you know so much more about things like this than I do.I have only keep up with one more case than this one. I really wish lawyers would not take up for people that kill their babyes and people that kill other people but I guess that is their job and they love the money just like the an;s do.I know all the tv shows or out for good ratings and they pay them to be on the shows but I sure wish they would not do that but no way to keep the media from doing it and that keep the an;s on tv and making money of off little Caylee;s death. It is a sad world we live it but it is all about money. I know everyone needs money to live but I wish they would not put that first in their lives. I guess money don;t mean that much to me even tho we need it to live but since I don;t have a lot then it does not bother me that I am not rich.God first and then my family and friends.I am so glad I found all of you on this board. You have become a big part of my life now.I can love you all thru the air way. When I get to thinking about how much you mean to me I just want to sit here and cry. It is so good to have people to love even if they don;t love you back. I wish the an;s could see that they need people in their lives to love them. They don;t even seem to have family that is close to them.I guess they or happy with all the money they or getting now maybe that is what it takes to make them happy. I hope I never hear of a family like the an;s again in my life time. jmho:wub:

[Julie Dupree]

For Julie Dupree...she was looking for this video 5/28/09 video after hearing from AL...

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Hugs and kisses Rapunzel and a great big THANK YOU.
I wanted to review what AL said in that interview what she would be filing motions on.
Am I to assume since she has not addressed why this is not a DP case, ...she is saying that since it should be thrown out of court this assumption makes the DP a mute point?
Or, will we be getting another motion of why this is not, or should not be a dp case?
Any thoughts on this?

[martha]

When my 3 year old Great Granddaughter comes by the house, my heart just about jumps out of my chest. I find it so hard to believe the
Anthony's had no love for that poor little girl. May you rest in peace Caylee and find a Grandma in Heaven that will show you what true love
is.Oh honey I wish I could see that beautiful gd of yours. I would love her so much. I know how you feel. I never knew you could love anyone like we love our children and grands.I did not know I had that much love in my heart. When I think of how much we love our children and grands then I think of God and how it must have hurt him to let his son go to that cross for us sinners. I know I do not deserve for him to die for me but I am thankful he did. It sure does make me wonder how God could love us so very much. love you so very much and keep posting on here so I can read all your post. I need the post to keep me up beat on what will happen to casey one day. wonder what the an;s will do when the money runs out? I don;t know if they will be able to get a job after this is all over but they may keep geting money thru CAYLEE;S foundation. I sure hope someone is checking that acct.maybe the irs will keep a check on it.jmho:wub:

[martha]

Oh, LOL! No wonder I was confused. Thanks for lining it out for me.

And yes, shame on all of them.

Good Grief! ITA with you it is all about rating and money. The only part about it is I always want to see what the an;s or coming up with next. I don;t believe one word any of the an;s say but it is awful what they get on tv and tell.I will never understand how they can get on tv and lie and they know what casey did and that their gb was put in those woods and was left to rot and thing to eat at her beautiful body. How can they lay down at night and sleep. If my daughter did that to a stranger I would still want her to pay for what she did. If you could do that to a baby then there is nothing you would not do and they need to know that about casey. I am sure they do but just don;t want the world to know it.Where is the love in the an;s family for little CAYLEE? I just don;t see any love for Caylee in this family.maybe it is just me but I sure can;t see it.jmho:wub:

[crimeq]

I wonder how long till Cindy asks or is offered her own talk show????
:cursing::cursing::cursing:

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder


ETA: not enough coffee and forgot to add my sig and JMHO!

She'd never have to have a guest on! She could do all the talking herself!

[crimeq]

Sorry Legal...:sad::sad:

Legal, my thoughts are with you. I've been there ....
:rose:

[jaxback]

Hey, Miss Julie. I was reading this earlier and wondered what it meant...

She said prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for "strategic reasons."

"You will hear about those strategic reasons in motions that I will be filing, challenging their right to even ask for the death penalty in these circumstances," Lyon said. "I believe Florida law simply doesn't allow asking for the death penalty in these circumstances."

from this link..http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-052809,0,2772142.story

Witchy, I have a feeling that "strategic reasons" means Lyon is going to claim that the prosecution is only asking for the DP to ensure they get a jury who will be more likely to convict on murder. jmo

[Sun]

Hey, Miss Julie. I was reading this earlier and wondered what it meant...

She said prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for "strategic reasons."

"You will hear about those strategic reasons in motions that I will be filing, challenging their right to even ask for the death penalty in these circumstances," Lyon said. "I believe Florida law simply doesn't allow asking for the death penalty in these circumstances."

from this link..http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-052809,0,2772142.story

Good afternoon everyone! I suspect that Lyon is going to say whatever she feels will make the State look like the "bad guys" as Lyon appears to be very much against the death penalty.

Lyon will challenge lots of issues, that's her job as a criminal defense attorney. Judge Strickland will hear both sides, and rule on the issues. Lyon may not be as familiar with Florida laws as she should be, IMO.

[sydney]

QUOTE=Barbara fl.;13491454]If Caylee was a nuisance, a hinderance to Casey...then that is what pushed her...that is not to say that it was the norm for a parent to be pushed to this.....Bottom line is that she is a cold blooded murderer to have done something like this.....and she will get hers.....[/QUOTE]

hey barbara! i think caylee was an excuse, not a reason. caylee did NOTHING to push kc into murdering her - she was a 2+ year old child, acting like a 2+ year old child does. i agree whole-heartedly with what you wrote, but this fits in, again, with my belief that it's the "not me" generation. "if i didn't have caylee", etc., etc., then i "wouldn't have", etc. etc.

[Julie Dupree]

Hey, Miss Julie. I was reading this earlier and wondered what it meant...

She said prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for "strategic reasons."

"You will hear about those strategic reasons in motions that I will be filing, challenging their right to even ask for the death penalty in these circumstances," Lyon said. "I believe Florida law simply doesn't allow asking for the death penalty in these circumstances."

from this link..http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-052809,0,2772142.story

:) I know what "strategic" means...and I know what "reasons" mean...however I haven't a clue what she is talking about. In the meeting Mascaluso said the state had "tactical advantage" not sure what this is either.
Bottom line, I think if Judge Strickland says the case will proceed, I think we have another motion coming on why the case is not a dp case. I have reviewed the law on what is required in order to file for the death penalty, and even tho I am not an attorney, I found more than one reason why this case would qualify.
Any thoughts?

[Julie Dupree]

See, I guess I don't understand that. What is a death qualified juror? Do they specifically ask...would you be willing to send a person to death?

2w4u


I would not doubt that question is on the pre-trial questionnaire.
Maybe not those words, but that meaning.

[Julie Dupree]

Good afternoon everyone! I suspect that Lyon is going to say whatever she feels will make the State look like the "bad guys" as Lyon appears to be very much against the death penalty.

Lyon will challenge lots of issues, that's her job as a criminal defense attorney. Judge Strickland will hear both sides, and rule on the issues. Lyon may not be as familiar with Florida laws as she should be, IMO.


I am convinced that AL is doing exactly what she should be doing as Casey's defense attorney. This is her job and she is very good at it.
And I think Judge Strickland will do his job and rule on each and every motion with his usual fair, firm hand.
I think AL is very familiar with Florida law, but she will use any excuse, including letting people think she is not, to do what she set out to do for Casey and this trial. She aims to win!!!
Now, having said that, I don't think she can. The evidence is strong against Casey, I don't think St Peter could get her off on these charges.
But, I have to say, with her in the drivers seat, I am enjoying seeing it unfold:)

[Scampi]

See, I guess I don't understand that. What is a death qualified juror? Do they specifically ask...would you be willing to send a person to death?

2w4u

Hey Witchy, that is exactly the question. Are you prepared to sentence someone to die, if the evidence warrants it.

[Julie Dupree]

Hey Witchy, that is exactly the question. Are you prepared to sentence someone to die, if the evidence warrants it.


I wonder if they will release the questionnaire to the public before the trial starts.

[need2no]

I was surfing (looking for something else), and came across an old article at OS I hadn't seen in a while regarding cashing in on Caylee. This was posted Nov. 13, 2008.

It's about how networks and media outlets claim they don't pay for interviews but do pay extraordinary amounts for family photos and videotape as a backdoor way of getting access to the person. If anyone followed the ANS case you got a good education on how this is done secretly, and the vast amounts of money involved.

Interestingly there is a quote in this piece from none other than Marti MacKenzie (Baez's PR spokesperson),
That's "one surefire way that someone involved in a high-profile case can make money from the news media," and she mentions her book-'Courting the Media: Public Relations for the Accused and the Accusor.'

You can read about her book at:
http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/C9125.aspx

Sooo...I started trying to remember when Baez hired Ms. MacKenzie, and found this:

Casey Anthony defense attorney hires new spokeswoman
Feb. 12, 2009

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/02/casey-anthony-defense-attorney.html

One can't help but question what she was primarily hired to do. We certainly haven't heard much out of her in terms of PR over the past 7 months, maybe a one liner here and there repeating the same thing over and over. IIRC we heard a lot more from 'Todd Black' aka Gil Cabot, Baez's former spokesperson with Press Corps Media. So perhaps her primary job responsibility is to assist with making money off of this case via setting up interviews, pics, video, TV appearances, etc.

It was reported Larry Garrison made $6500 just for setting up an interview for Cindy on the Dateline special. And now Cindy and George have their own buddy Jim Lichtenstein from NBC hanging by their side. They certainly don't want to risk ANYONE else getting a cut of the pie again!

CBS (48 Hours producer) state they don't pay for interviews, but pay for licensing footage as is standard industry practice. Does this mean everytime CBS uses the pictures Cindy SELLS of Caylee, casey or the Anthony family (for the 48 Hours show) that the A's will get a royalty check??? Or everytime they rerun this 48 Hrs. special featuring Cindy, will she paid???

I'm curious...are the A's paying for any of casey's defense from their profits off of their precious granddaughter, or does Baez and Co. have their own schemes to make money with the guidance and help of his 'PR' representative.

In the article about Marti MacKenzie (linked above) it states Sabrina Cane, spokeswoman for Press Corps said the firm is being paid by a Connecticut family to handle media relations for the Casey Anthony case. What is this connection to someone in Connecticut, and who is that someone?? I know...it's the million dollar question.

Anyway when some of truth surfaces eventually, I'm sure we will all be shocked at the amounts of money flowing around between many of the players in this case off the death of a precious child. The most shameful of all of course being the A's as Caylee seems to mean nothing more than being a commodity to them while they profess to have loved her and miss her. Cindy can rest easy knowing she has been more than reimbursed for any money she shelled out for Caylee over her very brief and chaotic life!

[Sun]

I am convinced that AL is doing exactly what she should be doing as Casey's defense attorney. This is her job and she is very good at it.
And I think Judge Strickland will do his job and rule on each and every motion with his usual fair, firm hand.
I think AL is very familiar with Florida law, but she will use any excuse, including letting people think she is not, to do what she set out to do for Casey and this trial. She aims to win!!!
Now, having said that, I don't think she can. The evidence is strong against Casey, I don't think St Peter could get her off on these charges.
But, I have to say, with her in the drivers seat, I am enjoying seeing it unfold:)

I'm just praying that when Casey is convicted and put behind bars in a prison, she stays there for the rest of her life. From what I can determine, Casey is a danger to society.

[bchand]

Nifter Media has this up on You tube.....a little hard to understand....Starts off with beach music...but wait for the recording...anyone hear what Tracy has to say?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTCn5cES9ng&feature=sub

Very hard to hear isn't it? I got a few bits and pieces.

The cop asks her "so what do you do when you're not sleeping with baby killers?" She laughs and says she hangs out with her kids.

She's known Lenny for a long time and he's the most generous person. Most people don't know that.

When Lenny ran for Mayor, she supported him.

She said things changed when the air samples came out with Cindy & George.
I think you'd have to keep relistening to it to grab much from it.

[Julie Dupree]

I was surfing (looking for something else), and came across an old article at OS I hadn't seen in a while regarding cashing in on Caylee. This was posted Nov. 13, 2008.

It's about how networks and media outlets claim they don't pay for interviews but do pay extraordinary amounts for family photos and videotape as a backdoor way of getting access to the person. If anyone followed the ANS case you got a good education on how this is done secretly, and the vast amounts of money involved.

Interestingly there is a quote in this piece from none other than Marti MacKenzie (Baez's PR spokesperson),
That's "one surefire way that someone involved in a high-profile case can make money from the news media," and she mentions her book-'Courting the Media: Public Relations for the Accused and the Accusor.'

You can read about her book at:
http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/C9125.aspx

Sooo...I started trying to remember when Baez hired Ms. MacKenzie, and found this:

Casey Anthony defense attorney hires new spokeswoman
Feb. 12, 2009

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/02/casey-anthony-defense-attorney.html

One can't help but question what she was primarily hired to do. We certainly haven't heard much out of her in terms of PR over the past 7 months, maybe a one liner here and there repeating the same thing over and over. IIRC we heard a lot more from 'Todd Black' aka Gil Cabot, Baez's former spokesperson with Press Corps Media. So perhaps her primary job responsibility is to assist with making money off of this case via setting up interviews, pics, video, TV appearances, etc.

It was reported Larry Garrison made $6500 just for setting up an interview for Cindy on the Dateline special. And now Cindy and George have their own buddy Jim Lichtenstein from NBC hanging by their side. They certainly don't want to risk ANYONE else getting a cut of the pie again!

CBS (48 Hours producer) state they don't pay for interviews, but pay for licensing footage as is standard industry practice. Does this mean everytime CBS uses the pictures Cindy SELLS of Caylee, casey or the Anthony family (for the 48 Hours show) that the A's will get a royalty check??? Or everytime they rerun this 48 Hrs. special featuring Cindy, will she paid???

I'm curious...are the A's paying for any of casey's defense from their profits off of their precious granddaughter, or does Baez and Co. have their own schemes to make money with the guidance and help of his 'PR' representative.

In the article about Marti MacKenzie (linked above) it states Sabrina Cane, spokeswoman for Press Corps said the firm is being paid by a Connecticut family to handle media relations for the Casey Anthony case. What is this connection to someone in Connecticut, and who is that someone?? I know...it's the million dollar question.

Anyway when some of truth surfaces eventually, I'm sure we will all be shocked at the amounts of money flowing around between many of the players in this case off the death of a precious child. The most shameful of all of course being the A's as Caylee seems to mean nothing more than being a commodity to them while they profess to have loved her and miss her. Cindy can rest easy knowing she has been more than reimbursed for any money she shelled out for Caylee over her very brief and chaotic life!


WOW!!! when you surf, you really do it right:)
Great post and a lot of information. I have always wondered why JB felt the need to have a PR person. She never says anything except "Mr Baez is abiding by all the laws" (or some such words)
I have no idea if this is her only reason for being his PR person, but if it is, I think he needs to look at his priorities.
As far as Cindy and George getting paid...I open the Wall Street Journal every day expecting to see CayleeAnthony shares being traded. They have made a business out of this. (They=the Anthony's)
I think it is appalling what they are doing, but I think 10 years from now, I will still think it is appalling what they are doing. I don't see them giving up their "beautiful life" any time soon.
:) Maybe I need to surf some.

[need2no]

Nifter Media has this up on You tube.....a little hard to understand....Starts off with beach music...but wait for the recording...anyone hear what Tracy has to say?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTCn5cES9ng&feature=sub


Wow that was hard to decipher, probably need to listen to it several times. Here's what I got out of it so far:

Tracy says something about when the air sample info came out, and then it sounded like she said C & G started to believe (casey was guilty) ?? **Muffled.. not sure I understood that last part.**

She thought casey was being arrested for murder when LE picked her up. Says casey isn't scared, she's a hard azz.

Speaks well of Padilla, has known him a long time, he ran for mayor, he is generous.

Talks about casey being 'hot' for her son. Wanted Tracy to invite him to come to FL to visit his mom.

LE asks her what she is doing sleeping with a baby killer. She responds with something about her kids.

Tracy says she has pics (on cell phone)...pool, the pool ladder, living room, computer, Cindy (couldn't hear the entire list of what she has), and she was apparently showing them to LE as she talked about the pics.

Tracy injects something about not giving her pics to the FBI, doesn't trust them.

LE told her they only want pics of Cindy, casey and Tracy's ankle.

Odd they wanted the pics of Cindy.

[bchand]

I was surfing (looking for something else), and came across an old article at OS I hadn't seen in a while regarding cashing in on Caylee. This was posted Nov. 13, 2008.

It's about how networks and media outlets claim they don't pay for interviews but do pay extraordinary amounts for family photos and videotape as a backdoor way of getting access to the person. If anyone followed the ANS case you got a good education on how this is done secretly, and the vast amounts of money involved.

Interestingly there is a quote in this piece from none other than Marti MacKenzie (Baez's PR spokesperson),
That's "one surefire way that someone involved in a high-profile case can make money from the news media," and she mentions her book-'Courting the Media: Public Relations for the Accused and the Accusor.'

You can read about her book at:
http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/C9125.aspx

Sooo...I started trying to remember when Baez hired Ms. MacKenzie, and found this:

Casey Anthony defense attorney hires new spokeswoman
Feb. 12, 2009

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/02/casey-anthony-defense-attorney.html

One can't help but question what she was primarily hired to do. We certainly haven't heard much out of her in terms of PR over the past 7 months, maybe a one liner here and there repeating the same thing over and over. IIRC we heard a lot more from 'Todd Black' aka Gil Cabot, Baez's former spokesperson with Press Corps Media. So perhaps her primary job responsibility is to assist with making money off of this case via setting up interviews, pics, video, TV appearances, etc.

It was reported Larry Garrison made $6500 just for setting up an interview for Cindy on the Dateline special. And now Cindy and George have their own buddy Jim Lichtenstein from NBC hanging by their side. They certainly don't want to risk ANYONE else getting a cut of the pie again!

CBS (48 Hours producer) state they don't pay for interviews, but pay for licensing footage as is standard industry practice. Does this mean everytime CBS uses the pictures Cindy SELLS of Caylee, casey or the Anthony family (for the 48 Hours show) that the A's will get a royalty check??? Or everytime they rerun this 48 Hrs. special featuring Cindy, will she paid???

I'm curious...are the A's paying for any of casey's defense from their profits off of their precious granddaughter, or does Baez and Co. have their own schemes to make money with the guidance and help of his 'PR' representative.

In the article about Marti MacKenzie (linked above) it states Sabrina Cane, spokeswoman for Press Corps said the firm is being paid by a Connecticut family to handle media relations for the Casey Anthony case. What is this connection to someone in Connecticut, and who is that someone?? I know...it's the million dollar question.

Anyway when some of truth surfaces eventually, I'm sure we will all be shocked at the amounts of money flowing around between many of the players in this case off the death of a precious child. The most shameful of all of course being the A's as Caylee seems to mean nothing more than being a commodity to them while they profess to have loved her and miss her. Cindy can rest easy knowing she has been more than reimbursed for any money she shelled out for Caylee over her very brief and chaotic life!

Great post need2no. Out of curiousity I went to Amazon to check on her book. Only 2 copies left :) but more on the way. For a mere $39.95 you get to read 204 pages. I don't think so.

I didn't see the quote about making money from the media. Was that in the Sentinel?

I wonder if we'll ever find out the truth about the flow of money in this case?

[Julie Dupree]

Nifter Media has this up on You tube.....a little hard to understand....Starts off with beach music...but wait for the recording...anyone hear what Tracy has to say?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTCn5cES9ng&feature=sub

This site has some good pieces...whoever is responsible for producing these video's is very talented.
I have enjoyed them all.:) Thanks for reminding me.

[Piratexox]

Very hard to hear isn't it? I got a few bits and pieces.

The cop asks her "so what do you do when you're not sleeping with baby killers?" She laughs and says she hangs out with her kids.

She's known Lenny for a long time and he's the most generous person. Most people don't know that.

When Lenny ran for Mayor, she supported him.

She said things changed when the air samples came out with Cindy & George.
I think you'd have to keep relistening to it to grab much from it.

She laughs a lot too.
Says about Casey liking her son. I think LE asked for pics of Casey and Cindy and Traceys ankle. Prolly for that matching ankle monitor game her and Casey played. Says LP has a big heart and has known him for years but it's hard to concentrate due to the back ground noises.

[bchand]

But none of the motions they filed the other day have anything to do with this not being a DP case, do they?
ITA about her not being familiar with Florida laws.

2w4u

As far as I recall, she didn't say she was going to file a motion that it wasn't a death penalty case.

She said she was going to file a motion that Casey should not have been charged with murder. I felt at the time it was quite a slap in the face of the grand jury.

[Sun]

But none of the motions they filed the other day have anything to do with this not being a DP case, do they?
ITA about her not being familiar with Florida laws.

2w4u

None of the motions seek to have the death penalty taken off the table (unless you count the motion to dismiss). I will say, the motions are not what I'd been expecting, from what Lyon earlier told the media.

[Julie Dupree]

That's what I mean. How is this not a DP case. I do think that Casey has to be a convicted felon and I think that she will be by the time this comes to trial. Other than that, I see nothing else.

2w4u

This is part of the death penalty law...you tell me. The entire law is at:
http://home.c2i.net/sissel.norway/flori.html


(4) REVIEW OF JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE. The judgment of conviction and sentence of death shall be subject to automatic review by the Supreme Court of Florida within 60 days after certification by the sentencing court of the entire record, unless the time is extended for an additional period not to exceed 30 days by the Supreme Court for good cause shown. Such review by the Supreme Court shall have priority over all other cases and shall be heard in accordance with rules promulgated by the Supreme Court.

(5) AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES. Aggravating circumstances shall be limited to the following:

(a) The capital felony was committed by a person under sentence of imprisonment or placed on community control.

(b) The defendant was previously convicted of another capital felony or of a felony involving the use or threat of violence to the person.

(c) The defendant knowingly created a great risk of death to many persons.

(d) The capital felony was committed while the defendant was engaged, or was an accomplice, in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit, any robbery, sexual battery, arson, burglary, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy or the unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.

(e) The capital felony was committed for the purpose of avoiding or preventing a lawful arrest or effecting an escape from custody.

(f) The capital felony was committed for pecuniary gain.

(g) The capital felony was committed to disrupt or hinder the lawful exercise of any governmental function or the enforcement of laws.

(h) The capital felony was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel.

(i) The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification.

(j) The victim of the capital felony was a law enforcement officer engaged in the performance of his official duties.

(k) The victim of the capital felony was an elected or appointed public official engaged in the performance of his official duties if the motive for the capital felony was related, in whole or in part, to the victim's official capacity.

[bchand]

Well she IS quoted as saying the state does not have a death penalty case in this one:

"Lyon says the state has no grounds to seek the death penalty for Anthony, and Lyon plans to fight it," Ober said.

Anthony is charged with the first-degree murder of her daughter, Caylee.

"There is no question in my mind that they are seeking a tactical advantage," Lyon said of prosecutors. "And I intend to say so bluntly, boldly and in front of this court."

Lyon also said: "I believe that the Florida law simply doesn't allow asking for the death penalty in these circumstances."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-new-attorney-says-state-has-no-grounds-to-seek-death.html

[Julie Dupree]

Also in that same law is this.
Maybe this is what we will see in AL's reason for this not being a dp case.

6) MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES. Mitigating circumstances shall be the following:

(a) The defendant has no significant history of prior criminal activity.

(b) The capital felony was committed while the defendant was under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance.

(c) The victim was a participant in the defendant's conduct or consented to the act.

(d) The defendant was an accomplice in the capital felony committed by another person and his participation was relatively minor.

(e) The defendant acted under extreme duress or under the substantial domination of another person.

(f) The capacity of the defendant to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of law was substantially impaired.

(g) The age of the defendant at the time of the crime.

[need2no]

Great post need2no. Out of curiousity I went to Amazon to check on her book. Only 2 copies left :) but more on the way. For a mere $39.95 you get to read 204 pages. I don't think so.

I didn't see the quote about making money from the media. Was that in the Sentinel?

I wonder if we'll ever find out the truth about the flow of money in this case?

Thanks!

Yes, I believe the quote was on page one, I only linked to page 2.

I saw that $39.95 and laughed to myself thinking I will just wait and pick it up on the clearance table at Barnes & Nobles for 3 bucks. :wink:

Yes, I think eventually we will learn about some of it...when everybody starts suing everybody...just like in the ANS case.

[Julie Dupree]

As far as I recall, she didn't say she was going to file a motion that it wasn't a death penalty case.

She said she was going to file a motion that Casey should not have been charged with murder. I felt at the time it was quite a slap in the face of the grand jury.

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Remember this video?

[Julie Dupree]

So they would not put a person that is totally against the DP on the jury, just those that can send some one to death.

That seems to make since to me.

2w4u

I have thought a lot about what their profile of a juror would be...and I think this will be a major part of anyone that is selected. I can see more questions around this one issue than any other concern.

[need2no]

So they would not put a person that is totally against the DP on the jury, just those that can send some one to death.

That seems to make since to me.

2w4u

Death qualified juror-

1.Are not categorically opposed to the imposition of capital punishment;
2.Are not of the belief that the death penalty must be imposed in all instances of capital murder—that is, they would consider life imprisonment as a possible penalty.

Expressing opposition to the death penalty does not automatically disqualify a juror. A party may attempt to rehabilitate the juror by asking questions as to whether, personal convictions notwithstanding, s/he might consider the death penalty. A juror who expresses exorbitant support for the death penalty who would thus otherwise be struck may be rehabilitated should s/he state that s/he is willing openly to consider life imprisonment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death-qualified_jury

BTW-you do NOT have to be a felon to get the death penalty. Just recently Michael King who had no priors was sentenced to death for the murder of Amber Lee (FL case).

Here is an example of grabbing for straws to save your client from the death penalty. This is what Michaels lead defense attorney said during the penalty phase of the trial:

The lead attorney urged the jury to focus on the entire life of King, one that included a life of non-aggressive behavior, being a good husband, father and boyfriend. She said witness testimony showed King exhibited good character traits during his life, a good record and background. Balance that, Schlemmer said, with the one “terrible, terrible day.”
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/category/detectives-daughter-murdered/


ONE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE day??????.....couldn't believe she said that.

[bchand]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Remember this video?

Yes see my post upthread. I found the wording of that video on the sentinel.

[need2no]

The GJ decided to charge her. The State decides the charges, right? And the judge decides the punishment even though the jury recommends LWOP or DP?

In Fl you have to be indicted (formally accused) by the GJ in order to be tried on a capital crime. If the GJ does not vote to return an indictment you will not be charged with the crime.

The State presents evidence of a crime (in this case, murder) to the GJ, and I believe they also can do their own investigation in addition to taking witness testimony.

And yes, in FL the Judge has the final decision on LWOP or the DP.

[Julie Dupree]

Yes see my post upthread. I found the wording of that video on the sentinel.

:) I posted the link to the video for you because I think it is nice to have both, if both are available.
I could not find the video and one of the posters was good to me and posted for me.
But I was happy that see the newspaper article too.
Thanks

[Julie Dupree]

If AL gets the DP off the table will she go away and let Jose' have the trial all to himself. Maybe that wouldn't be so bad, LWOP for Casey and Jose' stumbling all over himself in court. Heheheeh.

I have wondered that also:)
I asked that once here, and several posters stated they thought she was here for the duration of the trial.

[Julie Dupree]

Death qualified juror-

1.Are not categorically opposed to the imposition of capital punishment;
2.Are not of the belief that the death penalty must be imposed in all instances of capital murder—that is, they would consider life imprisonment as a possible penalty.

Expressing opposition to the death penalty does not automatically disqualify a juror. A party may attempt to rehabilitate the juror by asking questions as to whether, personal convictions notwithstanding, s/he might consider the death penalty. A juror who expresses exorbitant support for the death penalty who would thus otherwise be struck may be rehabilitated should s/he state that s/he is willing openly to consider life imprisonment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death-qualified_jury

BTW-you do NOT have to be a felon to get the death penalty. Just recently Michael King who had no priors was sentenced to death for the murder of Amber Lee (FL case).

Here is an example of grabbing for straws to save your client from the death penalty. This is what Michaels lead defense attorney said during the penalty phase of the trial:

The lead attorney urged the jury to focus on the entire life of King, one that included a life of non-aggressive behavior, being a good husband, father and boyfriend. She said witness testimony showed King exhibited good character traits during his life, a good record and background. Balance that, Schlemmer said, with the one “terrible, terrible day.”
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/category/detectives-daughter-murdered/


ONE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE day??????.....couldn't believe she said that.

He had a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE day and Caylee had a "terminal event"...sad sad way to describe death:(

[martha]

Well she IS quoted as saying the state does not have a death penalty case in this one:

"Lyon says the state has no grounds to seek the death penalty for Anthony, and Lyon plans to fight it," Ober said.

Anthony is charged with the first-degree murder of her daughter, Caylee.

"There is no question in my mind that they are seeking a tactical advantage," Lyon said of prosecutors. "And I intend to say so bluntly, boldly and in front of this court."

Lyon also said: "I believe that the Florida law simply doesn't allow asking for the death penalty in these circumstances."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-new-attorney-says-state-has-no-grounds-to-seek-death.htmlwhen would you ask for the death pen if not when you kill your own baby and she is 2 years old? the baby could not defend her self I thin lyons is very wrong in what she is saying.jmho

[Julie Dupree]

Gotta run...as always I have enjoyed my time with you. Hope you all have a great evening.
Julie

[bchand]

Gotta run...as always I have enjoyed my time with you. Hope you all have a great evening.
Julie

Have a good day Julie !!

[bchand]

when would you ask for the death pen if not when you kill your own baby and she is 2 years old? the baby could not defend her self I thin lyons is very wrong in what she is saying.jmho

I do too Martha. I hope your hubby is doing better and you're not flooded out today.

[need2no]

He had a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE day and Caylee had a "terminal event"...sad sad way to describe death:(


You betcha it is, and it was very, very demeaning to the poor young wife and mother who was kidnapped and murdered in a horrific way!

We are all going to be furious when we hear the defense of casey's 'one terrible day'.

Can you imagine the short list of redeeming qualities casey has that would overshadow and downplay murdering her innocent (almost) 3 year old daughter? :angry: :cursing:

[need2no]

when would you ask for the death pen if not when you kill your own baby and she is 2 years old? the baby could not defend her self I thin lyons is very wrong in what she is saying.jmho

I agree Martha...if not for the murder of an innocent child, then when would the DP be applied.

Of course we have to keep in mind that Andrea Lyons job is to save casey's life, and her mission is to add another notch to her belt so she will do any and everything to achieve that.

[need2no]

Thanks n2n. Also for your earlier post about not having to be a convicted felon. I don't know where I heard that but I was sure convinced that was the case.

YW!

I know this all gets confusing. Perhaps what you heard was that the defense won't be able to say casey is not a felon, and has never been convicted of a crime IF the State can get her tried and convicted on the thief charges before the murder trial.

[bchand]

I had to go find this to support my memory that Lyon "said" she would file a motion against the murder charge (not the death penalty).

Also, some time after Labor Day, Andrea Lyon from Casey Anthony's legal team will make her first major statement in the case.

It will come in the form of a motion arguing there is insufficient evidence to support a murder charge against Casey Anthony.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20604174/detail.html

That's what led me to my thought that she was insulting the grand jury. They seemed to think there WAS enough evidence to charge her.

This article is dated Aug 28.

[Deannalynn]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Remember this video?

"Baez wants to educate the media."
Any further technical questions relating to law please feel free to ask my team.:lol:

[bchand]

"Baez wants to educate the media."
Any further technical questions relating to law please feel free to ask my team.:lol:

I had to fast forward past him. He is too ridiculous.

[need2no]

I didn't follow the King trial, but I see no redeeming qualities in Casey. But I'm sure the way the Anthonys lie...we'll be in for some doozies!

Obviously the defense in the King trial couldn't come up with many redeeming qualities either since all they said was his life included a life of non-aggressive behavior, being a good husband, father and boyfriend. She said witness testimony showed King exhibited good character traits during his life, a good record and background.

BTW-he was divorced.

Using the above, they can't say casey was a good wife, mother, or girlfriend. She demonstrated aggressive behavior over the phone after being arrested and during a jail visit with C & G. She was unemployed for 2 years and lied about it, even claimed she had a nanny so she could work. She didn't exhibit good character traits during her 22 years what with stealing, (from GP's AL fund, parents, Jesse, Amy), lying, and partying hardy while her daughter was 'missing', at least a little recreational drug use, heck she didn't even report her 'missing' daughter. If they bring in any info about the 911 incidents reported from the A's house over a period of years, if they involved casey that sure won't look good. The denial of being pregnant is no star in her cap. If she didn't get that 1/2 credit to be a high school graduate that doesn't speak well of her, and so on.

The only thing I can see the defense can do is to lay the blame for casey being so screwed up on her parents. Watch out C & G...it's going to be a bumpy ride.

[coffee1950j]

I didn't follow the King trial, but I see no redeeming qualities in Casey. But I'm sure the way the Anthonys lie...we'll be in for some doozies!

I did follow the King trial. Some things to note: The prosecution could not state that he had attacked other women in his "not so terrible past". His brothers and sis in law got up there and endlessly testified about what a great dad he was, etc. His dad also testified what a "great" person he was, yada yada yada. They also tried to blame all of it on his head injury at the age of 10.

The thing that surprised me was to find out that it did NOT have to be a unanimous vote for the DP in FL (but it WAS). It just had to be the majority. And they all voted for the DP within 2 1/2 hours tops, I believe.

However, the judge has to be the one to decide his fate. We are still waiting for his (judge's) decision.

So even though the A's might get up there and state how she was "MOTY", hopefully the jury will see right through all their lies.

Then IF the majority votes DP, Judge S will have the final say.

[Sun]

I had to fast forward past him. He is too ridiculous.

I have great difficulty listening to Baez talk also.

[Numbers]

Also in that same law is this.
Maybe this is what we will see in AL's reason for this not being a dp case.

6) MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES. Mitigating circumstances shall be the following:

(a) The defendant has no significant history of prior criminal activity. She might if the check fraud trial goes first, which it seems it may. Will they unseal any possible juvie record for this?

(b) The capital felony was committed while the defendant was under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance. AL might be able to argue this. I don't think it has any merit, but she'll give it a go.

(c) The victim was a participant in the defendant's conduct or consented to the act. Hardly.

(d) The defendant was an accomplice in the capital felony committed by another person and his participation was relatively minor. I envision another scenario involving nannies, invisible dogs, scripts..... oh, wait. Nope, that won't work.

(e) The defendant acted under extreme duress or under the substantial domination of another person. Something else AL might try. Casey was under the influence of Zanny. Never mind that Zanny does not exist.

(f) The capacity of the defendant to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of law was substantially impaired. Nope, never work.

(g) The age of the defendant at the time of the crime. She was 22, not 6. Never fly.

My red.

Seems AL is whistling up the wind and Casey is going to be SOL.

As it should be.

[need2no]

I did follow the King trial. Some things to note: The prosecution could not state that he had attacked other women in his "not so terrible past". His brothers and sis in law got up there and endlessly testified about what a great dad he was, etc. His dad also testified what a "great" person he was, yada yada yada. They also tried to blame all of it on his head injury at the age of 10.

The thing that surprised me was to find out that it did NOT have to be a unanimous vote for the DP in FL (but it WAS). It just had to be the majority. And they all voted for the DP within 2 1/2 hours tops, I believe.

However, the judge has to be the one to decide his fate. We are still waiting for his (judge's) decision.

So even though the A's might get up there and state how she was "MOTY", hopefully the jury will see right through all their lies.

Then IF the majority votes DP, Judge S will have the final say.

I would imagine the A's will have one heck of time singing any convincing praises for casey after the testimony that comes out in the trial. The jury will see right through it and realize they are just parents desperate to spare their murdering daughter's life. It's going to be a huge hurdle considering their daughter is being tried for murdering their precious 2 year old granddaughter...not some adult stranger off the street who wronged her.

[Sun]

Obviously the defense in the King trial couldn't come up with many redeeming qualities either since all they said was his life included a life of non-aggressive behavior, being a good husband, father and boyfriend. She said witness testimony showed King exhibited good character traits during his life, a good record and background.

BTW-he was divorced.

Using the above, they can't say casey was a good wife, mother, or girlfriend. She demonstrated aggressive behavior over the phone after being arrested and during a jail visit with C & G. She was unemployed for 2 years and lied about it, even claimed she had a nanny so she could work. She didn't exhibit good character traits during her 22 years what with stealing, (from GP's AL fund, parents, Jesse, Amy), lying, and partying hardy while her daughter was 'missing', at least a little recreational drug use, heck she didn't even report her 'missing' daughter. If they bring in any info about the 911 incidents reported from the A's house over a period of years, if they involved casey that sure won't look good. The denial of being pregnant is no star in her cap. If she didn't get that 1/2 credit to be a high school graduate that doesn't speak well of her, and so on.

The only thing I can see the defense can do is to lay the blame for casey being so screwed up on her parents. Watch out C & G...it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Lots of people grow up in a less than ideal family. Casey was an adult and 22 yrs old. Lyon now wants to "use" Cindy and George, in a way to convince a jury and judge to spare Casey's life. IMO, Lyon has an uphill battle to get Cindy or George to follow her lead. (Cindy is the one who insists on being IN CONTROL).

[need2no]

Lots of people grow up in a less than ideal family. Casey was an adult and 22 yrs old. Lyon now wants to "use" Cindy and George, in a way to convince a jury and judge to spare Casey's life. IMO, Lyon has an uphill battle to get Cindy or George to follow her lead. (Cindy is the one who insists on being IN CONTROL).

So true, but AL will use it since it's all she's got. casey has not demonstrated any redeeming qualities that I'm aware of.

I think it will be worse than climbing a mountain during a snow storm to get Cindy to admit she made ANY mistakes with regard to how she raised casey. She may admit to casey's bad deads, but she will NOT take any blame for it. I can hear her now...all I ever tried to do was be a good and loving mother, but that casey was such a difficult child.

Problem for Cindy is AL is determined to win this case. If casey is found guilty of murder AL will use any dirt she can scrape up to save casey's life, she won't think twice about throwing the entire Anthony clan under the bus.
:tonguewag:

[gaelicpeas]

Lots of people grow up in a less than ideal family. Casey was an adult and 22 yrs old. Lyon now wants to "use" Cindy and George, in a way to convince a jury and judge to spare Casey's life. IMO, Lyon has an uphill battle to get Cindy or George to follow her lead. (Cindy is the one who insists on being IN CONTROL).ITA, and said something to the same effect yesterday. Lyon's motion concerning allowing G&C visits without releasing the video to the media had this written all over it: she wants to see how G&C interact with Casey because she is not sure who to believe. JMO

[Sun]

Oh my! They don't need you to get up there! j/k
C & G & Lee watch out.
From the post by Julie where she posted the mitigating circumstances there was a couple that could support she was under duress and some one else control.

I don't buy it, that Casey was under anyone's control. Her actions in that first jail call don't show any fear towards Cindy. None. Casey "used" her family. At 22 yrs old, Casey was an adult, and was responsible for the choices that she made in life.

Duress. I don't see this either. Lot's of single young moms have far less family support than Casey received.

But, we can expect Lyon to attempt to get a jury to sympathize with Casey. I just wonder who besides Cindy, George, or Lee will say much good about Casey.

[Sun]

ITA, and said something to the same effect yesterday. Lyon's motion concerning allowing G&C visits without releasing the video to the media had this written all over it: she wants to see how G&C interact with Casey because she is not sure who to believe. JMO

I'm not quite sure what to think about Lyon's motion on this. Baez earlier had his motion on this very same subject denied by Judge Strickland. Florida Sunhine Law comes into play.

They all lie, and I don't think the camera lens is to blame for that. Lyon would dearly love to get every word spoken by Casey, to not come into evidence at the trial. Those jail videos are being used by Morgan/Mitnik, and I am going to guess that they'll also be used by the State at the trial.

[Barbara fl.]

Hey Witchy, that is exactly the question. Are you prepared to sentence someone to die, if the evidence warrants it.


Also, these jurors are a little more educated and will weigh the pros and cons very carefully before making a decision...because they are dealing with someones life.....unlike a regular juror, they are only sentencing a person to jail and they feel that if they are wrong, it can be overturned....

There are differences in these 2 sets of juror's....

[seeing_eye]

Since things are slow, I want to say this, on Thursday I had to make a decision to put my 13 year old cat down. What I what to know is, how do you make the decision to end you 2 year olds life?

I miss you big eyes.

Legal, your decision to put your cat down was different from Casey's decision to "put her daughter down." You did it to save your cat from pain. Casey did it to save herself from inconvenience.

Thank you for saving your cat from pain while taking the pain upon yourself.

[desmom]

Column: Circus-style trial is just what we need
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/09/19/a1b_binocol_0920.html

[Sun]

Yeah and I have read that Ms. Lyon is a lion. I think she will pull all the stops and try to get LWOP. That is my understanding that she doesn't need to do anything other that save Casey's life. But if that is the case why is she filing motions to drop the case? Is it just a stall tactic?
And stating that that there is not evidence to support a murder trial?

As the only death penalty qualified attorney on Casey's defense, I am going to guess that Lyon believes it is her responsibility to defend Casey (even to the point of re-doing much of what Baez has already tried). I'm told that it is not unusual for a defense attorney to file a motion to dismiss. While it may seem like a waste of the court's time, Casey's defense must at least make the attempts to defend her.

I'm going to find it interesting to watch Casey's face/reactions when Judge Strickland denies the defense's motions. (though I may be disappointed, because he may wait to rule on many issues, instead of handing down a ruling during the court hearing.)

[Sun]

Column: Circus-style trial is just what we need
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/09/19/a1b_binocol_0920.html

"And you're probably just the sort of juror the defense team is looking for. An empty slate. Somebody who has perhaps spent the past year as a hostage, in a coma or allergic to the histrionics of Nancy Grace."

desmom, I don't know how you come up with these links, but this one is a "must see."

[Sun]

Column: Circus-style trial is just what we need
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/09/19/a1b_binocol_0920.html

"That's because it's slated for next summer, the slow season for hotels, restaurants and bars. So while the trial may be a dubious distinction, it's also a justice tourism opportunity."

"Think of it as turning lemons into lemonade, which, by the way, is something that Burger King in Boynton Beach might also want to consider."


It's so sad that anyone could think of a murder trial of a child in this way.

[Sun]

Yeah, my DH told me the same thing, that they have to do all that they can and asking for dismissal is normal.
So Judge Strickland doesn't have to call a hearing to pass his rulings?
He could just send them his answers. Darn it! I wanted to see that too!

I'd think that there would need to be a hearing, but many times a judge may like to take a few days/weeks after hearing both sides, before they rule on it.

[gaelicpeas]

I'm not quite sure what to think about Lyon's motion on this. Baez earlier had his motion on this very same subject denied by Judge Strickland. Florida Sunhine Law comes into play.

They all lie, and I don't think the camera lens is to blame for that. Lyon would dearly love to get every word spoken by Casey, to not come into evidence at the trial. Those jail videos are being used by Morgan/Mitnik, and I am going to guess that they'll also be used by the State at the trial.But see, Lyon is is a pickle. She has Casey on one side saying who knows what, and then C&G on the other side saying everything was peachy in that home. Lyon knows SOMEthing led Casey to kill her daughter. Her job is to figure out WHAT. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Yeah and I have read that Ms. Lyon is a lion. I think she will pull all the stops and try to get LWOP. That is my understanding that she doesn't need to do anything other that save Casey's life. But if that is the case why is she filing motions to drop the case? Is it just a stall tactic?
And stating that that there is not evidence to support a murder trial?I think it is pretty standard practice for a defense attorney to try to get the trial dismissed. JMO

[jaxback]

Also, these jurors are a little more educated and will weigh the pros and cons very carefully before making a decision...because they are dealing with someones life.....unlike a regular juror, they are only sentencing a person to jail and they feel that if they are wrong, it can be overturned....

There are differences in these 2 sets of juror's....

What makes you think that death qualified jurors are necessarily more educated? Or that regular jurors take their responsibilities so lightly that they would actually not worry if they are wrong because "it can be overturned"?

[gaelicpeas]

Column: Circus-style trial is just what we need
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/09/19/a1b_binocol_0920.htmllol, great article...

[gaelicpeas]

Judge Strickland will probably just shake his head and sign the ruling that says no to their motions. I guess they all know the rules that they play by. It's just almost like a formality.

JMOI think Judge Stan is very concerned that there will be no appellate issues in this case. So he may grant a few motions to the defense, but IMO he will say NO to the motion to dismiss. JMO

[Sun]

But see, Lyon is is a pickle. She has Casey on one side saying who knows what, and then C&G on the other side saying everything was peachy in that home. Lyon knows SOMEthing led Casey to kill her daughter. Her job is to figure out WHAT. JMO

Lyon's goal is to save Casey's life, which may or may not include ever finding out why Casey did what she did. She just needs to come up with a sympathetic story to tell a jury. (and this really doesn't require that Casey speak with her family in any way, IMO) But, Lyon is using that excuse in the motion.

IMO, jealousy was one of the reasons that Caylee was killed. Casey was extremely jealous that others gave Caylee more attention than they gave Casey. Which is exactly what Cindy was doing. And, when Cindy threatened to go to court and get custody of Caylee, Casey couldn't stand to have that happen.

[Sun]

I really miss seeing Casey's inmate visitor's log.

I have a legal question. Can Lyon have Cindy accompany her, and both of them meet face to face with Casey in the jail?

I know that Baez and DCasey did this on August 8th, because both their names were on the log.

[Numbers]

I really miss seeing Casey's inmate visitor's log.

I have a legal question. Can Lyon have Cindy accompany her, and both of them meet face to face with Casey in the jail?

I know that Baez and DCasey did this on August 8th, because both their names were on the log.

Sure. But Cindy's presence breaks the attorney-client privilege, so it could be taped and released.

DCasey's presence did not break the privilege because he was working for Baez at the time (or so he says now).

[Sun]

ITA with what you have said here, but why would she choose murdering Caylee rather than just saying to Cindy....'fine then. You love her so much...take her, I'm out of here.' She really has some deep hatred against Cindy for some reason and I don't think it was just jealousy.

2w4u

Casey seems to have done and said many things that don't make any sense to me. I just can't think like she does.

[Sun]

Sure. But Cindy's presence breaks the attorney-client privilege, so it could be taped and released.

DCasey's presence did not break the privilege because he was working for Baez at the time (or so he says now).

Thanks for your answer. Casey also had another visitor which she was in the jail (Baez and Juan Pablo Manterola met with her on 1/20/2009). JPM's reason for visit was listed as "interview." Perhaps he also worked in some capacity for Baez, but it's a name I'd never heard of.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf

[Numbers]

Thanks for your answer. Casey also had another visitor which she was in the jail (Baez and Juan Pablo Manterola met with her on 1/20/2009). JPM's reason for visit was listed as "interview." Perhaps he also worked in some capacity for Baez, but it's a name I'd never heard of.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf

IIRC, he had something to do with DCF, and it was a regular interview thing as part of the case?

Or I do not RC.

ETA> Apparently I do not RC.

Juan Pablo Manterola has worked as a Director/Producer, Creative Director, Advertising and Public relations director and as manager of his various projects. International experience in multimedia production and award winning creative marketing campaigns for Mobil, Mitsubishi, Porsche, Peugeot, Ford, and more.

Joining Full Sail in 2007 as Associate Course Director for Typography and Page Layout he brought an interactive way to work with students and a dynamic structure of lecture. knowledge in all aspects of production including television, advertising, syndication and communication with diverse experience in the creative, technical, and administrative aspects of Multimedia production.

Strengths include excellent communication skills, creative thinking with the ability to direct both the content and presentation of a program. Experience includes television, radio, print and web production, as well as a valuable mix of major-market creative leadership and independent production.

Juan Pablo (http://www.massagingmedia.org/juan-pablo-manterola)

Curiouser and curiouser.....

[Sun]

IIRC, he had something to do with DCF, and it was a regular interview thing as part of the case?

Or I do not RC.

The DCF guys were the other two interviews on that link, that show up as interviews. Proc....somebody. I forget his whole name.

[Numbers]

The DCF guys were the other two interviews on that link, that show up as interviews. Proc....somebody. I forget his whole name.

See my edit, above.

[Jeepers]

Caylee Anthony-(Body Found) 12/11/08 #96 - Page 54 - Help Find The ...10 posts - 4 authors - Last post: Jan 23
Page 54- Caylee Anthony-(Body Found) 12/11/08 #96 FL v Casey Anthony. ... Juan P. Manterola...seems he's does trial presentation software .... some of those students are helping with this case for Baez ...www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t... - Cached - Similar -

Works for Full Sail same school TonE L attends.

Been just lurking when I read your post Sun. Never heard of him either.

[bchand]

Thanks for your answer. Casey also had another visitor which she was in the jail (Baez and Juan Pablo Manterola met with her on 1/20/2009). JPM's reason for visit was listed as "interview." Perhaps he also worked in some capacity for Baez, but it's a name I'd never heard of.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf

http://www.massagingmedia.org/juan-pablo-manterola

(More media guys)

[martha]

If killing your own baby at 2 years old is not a dp case then there is no dp case. a child only 2 can not defend them selfs. I think this is the crazyest thing I have ever heard in my life. I know lyons is sup.to be the smartest there is but how can she defend someone that kills a 2year old little girl that could not take up for her self? I just can;t understand this. I don;t care if she gets the dp but she sure should get lwop. I would love to see her spend the rest of her life in prison.jmho

[Sun]

I just wish the media would publish an up-to-date Inmate Visitor's Log for Casey. Several different ones published this log up until Jan 2009.

[Jeepers]

See my edit, above.

Sorry Numbers, I was feeding my rabid horse and did not see that you already had the goods on Juan. How ya doing?

[Sun]

Caylee Anthony-(Body Found) 12/11/08 #96 - Page 54 - Help Find The ...10 posts - 4 authors - Last post: Jan 23
Page 54- Caylee Anthony-(Body Found) 12/11/08 #96 FL v Casey Anthony. ... Juan P. Manterola...seems he's does trial presentation software .... some of those students are helping with this case for Baez ...www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t... - Cached - Similar -

Works for Full Sail same school TonE L attends.

Been just lurking when I read your post Sun. Never heard of him either.

Wow, I should have ask you folks earlier on this. Here I've been wondering about this for quite some time. Thanks all!

[Jeepers]

Wow, I should have ask you folks earlier on this. Here I've been wondering about this for quite some time. Thanks all!

I had never heard of him either until I saw your post.
His fortay is being creative. He better be real creative if he will be working with/for Baez.

[Jeepers]

If killing your own baby at 2 years old is not a dp case then there is no dp case. a child only 2 can not defend them selfs. I think this is the crazyest thing I have ever heard in my life. I know lyons is sup.to be the smartest there is but how can she defend someone that kills a 2year old little girl that could not take up for her self? I just can;t understand this. I don;t care if she gets the dp but she sure should get lwop. I would love to see her spend the rest of her life in prison.jmho

I am with you Martha. I don't care DP or LWOP one or the other. I just could not sleep at night knowing that my job solely would be to try and get a murderer off with lies. My Lies. Could not do it.
I am not good telling fairytales. I kinda look like George when I try.
Not pretty to look at! George looks like he is in pain, bad pain when he lies.

[Numbers]

Sorry Numbers, I was feeding my rabid horse and did not see that you already had the goods on Juan. How ya doing?

:D Did you count your fingers when you were done?

Doing well, thanks. None of my horses have that particular problem.

What's your take on Juan Pablo?

[Jeepers]

:D Did you count your fingers when you were done?

Doing well, thanks. None of my horses have that particular problem.

What's your take on Juan Pablo?

http://jpmanterola.com/pdf/Resume.pdf

This is his resume several years old. I am thinking they will use Juan and his students possibly for visual aide presentations for trial. Maybe polish up the attorney's speeches. It does not appear PR work more graphics, presentation work, commercials etc.
He appears legit.

I am looking for a new movie to come out:
Quarrantine #2 - Mrs Esponoza's vist to the barn

[Numbers]

http://jpmanterola.com/pdf/Resume.pdf

This is his resume several years old. I am thinking they will use Juan and his students possibly for visual aide presentations for trial. Maybe polish up the attorney's speeches. It does not appear PR work more graphics, presentation work, commercials etc.
He appears legit.

I am looking for a new movie to come out:
Quarrantine #2 - Mrs Esponoza's vist to the barn

So why would he have to meet with Casey? To find out if she likes the arrows pointing to the remains on the crime scene photo in teal or cerise?

:lol:

[Jeepers]

So why would he have to meet with Casey? To find out if she likes the arrows pointing to the remains on the crime scene photo in teal or cerise?

:lol:

Maybe to give her some pointers on how to show emotions at the -appropriate times, especially when the arrows are pointing to the remains from the crime scene photos.

[Numbers]

Maybe to give her some pointers on how to show emotions at the -appropriate times, especially when the arrows are pointing to the remains from the crime scene photos.

Mission: Impossible

[msgatorslayer]

ITA with what you have said here, but why would she choose murdering Caylee rather than just saying to Cindy....'fine then. You love her so much...take her, I'm out of here.' She really has some deep hatred against Cindy for some reason and I don't think it was just jealousy.

2w4u

Evening, Witchy, and all!!

If Casey told Cindy she could have Caylee and she was walking away, Casey would have to go find herself a job. And a place to live. Rest assured, her friends wouldn't allow her to work a 'fake job'. Casey would also drive around in the only transportation she had. Her Mother's car. Something Cindy would yank away from her on a whim.

Caylee is what allowed Casey to mooch off her parents.

[gaelicpeas]

Yeah. Seems to be. I just thought it was funny how they released all those motions at once and one saying dismiss the case and another saying basically if you won't do that how 'bout a COV? I think that AL will file many motions in this case to buy time for herself. Still seems like a waste of time to me. But I know that Casey will have to get a fair trial so that she will not have that many appeals. But am I correct in thinking that if she is convicted that she gets a automatic appeal?
I think you are correct on the automatic appeal... JMO

[gaelicpeas]

I really miss seeing Casey's inmate visitor's log.

I have a legal question. Can Lyon have Cindy accompany her, and both of them meet face to face with Casey in the jail?

I know that Baez and DCasey did this on August 8th, because both their names were on the log.
Yes, they can go in together to see Casey. But unless Judge Stan rules otherwise, that visit will be videotaped and will be releases to the public.

[Jeepers]

Mission: Impossible

Yes, that what I call Throwing Good Money after Bad.

You cannot make someone care about something, that they Don't care about.

Casey cannot even pretend to be sad. Just not in her.

I think Mr Manterola has his work cut out for him but he did work for Disney, maybe he has some Mouse Magic or sumpthen he can throw on her. Throw something on her, at her sumpthen.

[Numbers]

Yes, that what I call Throwing Good Money after Bad.

You cannot make someone care about something, that they Don't care about.

Casey cannot even pretend to be sad. Just not in her.

I think Mr Manterola has his work cut out for him but he did work for Disney, maybe he has some Mouse Magic or sumpthen he can throw on her. Throw something on her, at her sumpthen.

Make an animatron that looks like Casey, but can cry?

[djmsmom]

Like in 60 days or something like that, I think I read.

2w4u

there will only be a automatic appeal if she receives the death sentence. If found guilty and given LWOP then a lawyer will have to file an appeal. IIRC

[gaelicpeas]

ITA with what you have said here, but why would she choose murdering Caylee rather than just saying to Cindy....'fine then. You love her so much...take her, I'm out of here.' She really has some deep hatred against Cindy for some reason and I don't think it was just jealousy.

2w4uBecause she is a fool.

[Jeepers]

Make an animatron that looks like Casey, but can cry?

That would be creative.

I just cannot get over how Casey has held up since day 31. When she first appeared on the scene she has never showed being scared, remorseful. She acts like she has been a harden criminal all her life.
Just another day in jail attitude! just remarkable.

[msgatorslayer]

there will only be a automatic appeal if she receives the death sentence. If found guilty and given LWOP then a lawyer will have to file an appeal. IIRC

Right, I believe the difference is that, in a DP case, the appeal is automatically reviewed by the Supreme court for trial errors.

Then a DP qualified attorney who knows the ways of DP appeals tries to find a zillion different reasons for why their client should get a new trial.

All other sentences don't get auto reviewed. Within like, 30-60 days, a notice to appeal can be made by an attorney. Those appeals are looked at by an appellate court.

[msgatorslayer]

Because she is a fool.

:thumbup: And so are her family members. The apple didn't fall far at all. IMO

[Numbers]

Hahahahaha....is this Lee?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery

no.69?

Well, Duh, witchy. His name is right there on his hat.

:lol:

[msgatorslayer]

Hahahahaha....is this Lee?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery

no.69?

:lol: I don't remember seeing that one!!!

[Numbers]

Just checking in. I had a terrible flu and and UTI. I'm still not up to snuff, but I didn't want you guys to send the dogs out for me yet (unless it's a St. Bernard with a brandy keg. :sneaky:). I bet I have a lot of catching up to do!

I'll try to read some tomorrow. :seeya:

Miss you! Get well soon! :wub:

[need2no]

Well, Duh, witchy. His name is right there on his hat.

:lol:

Lee should have been wearing that hat (with his title) in this pic:

http://www.picupine.com/ba9b54bx


:tongueside:

[need2no]

Just checking in. I had a terrible flu and and UTI. I'm still not up to snuff, but I didn't want you guys to send the dogs out for me yet (unless it's a St. Bernard with a brandy keg. :sneaky:). I bet I have a lot of catching up to do!

I'll try to read some tomorrow. :seeya:

Feel better and hurry back Lavinia! We need to fill you in on how Baez/Lyons are in the process of having casey's murder charge dismissed. casey is so excited she is beside herself with glee and is telling all her girls in the dorm as she makes final plans for a beach trip. She is soooo anxious to show off her new tat, and get some sun on her pale skin.


Take care! :seeya:

[need2no]

Hahahaha. Well he was being one, now wasn't he.
Anyway, I'm out of here for tonight and I want to thank all of you that have so patiently explained things to me today. I feel I have a better understanding about the Judicial System.

Chat with you all on the morrow.

2w4u

Yes he was!

:seeya: Night witchy.

[happygert]

:lol: I don't remember seeing that one!!!

#59 is a picture of Tony and casey.. she's wearing the dress that she was wearing on the pole and when she was touching the other girl.. look at her shes got a big ol smile.. she sure doesn't look like to me she's missing Caylee one tiny bit..or looking for her either for that matter.. looks like shes enjoying her freedom

[happygert]

Thanks for the good wishes all. Looks like I have a lot to look forward to when I get back, lol.

get better soon... who knows maybe we'll have hearing coming up soon..

[Imperfect4]

Just checking in. I had a terrible flu and and UTI. I'm still not up to snuff, but I didn't want you guys to send the dogs out for me yet (unless it's a St. Bernard with a brandy keg. :sneaky:). I bet I have a lot of catching up to do!

I'll try to read some tomorrow. :seeya:

Feel better, sissy. We miss you bunches! :wub:

[spydernweb2006]

Casey Anthony is a real good example of why you should never lie, cheat, steal and crap all over your friends. They could have been a mitigating factor in her sentencing if she is found guilty. Imagine what Amy, Annie, Tony, Jesse, Kiomarie and others could or would get on the stand and say about Casey..... Heck that alone could make the jury decide DP over LWOP.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[gaelicpeas]

I think more evil than foolish. She was out to cause pain. She wanted the attention focused back on her. She wanted to be the mother of an abducted child...and it backfired and she got caught.
She is now known as the murderer of her child and I'm not so sure she's liking the attention so much.

jmo
From day one, I thought this was a ploy to get money.

But now I am resigned to Casey is a fool....

[happygert]

From day one, I thought this was a ploy to get money.

But now I am resigned to Casey is a fool....

IMO it was all about the money.. It still is.. look at all the money the A's are raking on not to mention all the freebies and perks that go along with it.. the guy from tv at all hearings, the free airflights, the nicest hotel rooms, best food they can order. tv appearences, etc down right sickening.. Using A DEAD BABY to live off of and scam the public out of their hard earned money while cindy and george live the good life off of a dead BABY and other peoples sweat..and hard earned money.. sickening people..

casey thought NO ONE would question her.. they'd believe what came out of her mouth.....

[need2no]

With all these motions flying around and being discussed I almost forgot about the doc dump. The 2,000 documents were given to the defense team I think on August 25th. Should be interesting. Orlando Sentinel said included in the docs were FBI operating procedures for various divisions, such as the latent print operations unit. Click Orlando reported FBI lab reports, and WFTV stated FBI records. :shrug: Guess we will find out eventually, and I hope it's something with some meat in it. According to WFTV it is unclear when the evidence will be released to the media. :mad:

[happygert]

With all these motions flying around and being discussed I almost forgot about the doc dump. The 2,000 documents were given to the defense team I think on August 25th. Should be interesting. Orlando Sentinel said included in the docs were FBI operating procedures for various divisions, such as the latent print operations unit. Click Orlando reported FBI lab reports, and WFTV stated FBI records. :shrug: Guess we will find out eventually, and I hope it's something with some meat in it. According to WFTV it is unclear when the evidence will be released to the media. :mad:

I don't think the defense wants those reports released if they say anything about some one's prints being found..
Just wondering if the defense can file for certain evidence to be sealed until trial.. because of it being too prejudicial like they did the video of casey when Caylee's body was found.
I'm guessing they'll be dumped soon since defense filed all those worthless motions..guessing the DA's office was quite pizzed when they read those motions especially ones that IMO accused the LE of destroying evidence.... Don't think the prosecution was too happy when they read them.. Also the motion they filed on the da's wanting the evidence they claimed in the courtroom where they have evidence that Caylee's body was put there after casey was in jail.. I say put up or shut up todd..dont think the Judge will take to kindly of there out and out blatant lies..

If nothing else there should be new motions filed this week from the DA's.. I wonder if they can file for the Judge to set a date on the check case its been over 4 weeks now.. I think its time.. al kept saying in her motion casey has never been convicted of a crime so this should be done and that should be done..well I say lets get this show on the road.. Time for Amy to get JUSTICE!

[happygert]

Dang is any body here? been one slow weekend.. Maybe everyone's resting up for the week .. maybe we'll have a busy week.. Im guessing more motions will be filed this week..

[Deannalynn]

IMO it was all about the money.. It still is.. look at all the money the A's are raking on not to mention all the freebies and perks that go along with it.. the guy from tv at all hearings, the free airflights, the nicest hotel rooms, best food they can order. tv appearences, etc down right sickening.. Using A DEAD BABY to live off of and scam the public out of their hard earned money while cindy and george live the good life off of a dead BABY and other peoples sweat..and hard earned money.. sickening people..

casey thought NO ONE would question her.. they'd believe what came out of her mouth.....

Casey got the ball and sunk with it. She will go to prison forever and Mom and dad get rich quick out of it.
Poor Caylee dies for all of it!:mad:

ETA: One thing I have to say, Lee is not around. Perhaps he wants no part it.:confused:

[Julie Dupree]

Found a very interesting posting on another site that I wanted to share with you. It discusses the "spoliation" that AL was referencing in her motion.

"So it made it rather difficult for Baez to have the scene inspected without a court order.

That didn't come until January 30th, 2009.
That's almost a full 2 months after the initial discovery.

The scene was not "secure" from December 20th-forward. The scene had been heavily altered from December 19th-back.

Potentially exculpatory evidence had been ruined twice over within those timeframes.

That's what "spoliation" of evidence refers to.

Destruction and alteration of potentially exculpating evidence."

[Julie Dupree]

I spent time reviewing the photos in the link posted up thread this morning.
I have three thoughts.

Casey, MOTY, Ace Universal photographer, took a great many pictures of Caylee in black and white. Almost to diminish the natural, warm, sparkling beauty of her daughter. While I have seen some extraordinary portraits of other mothers and infants using B&W to draw the focus to simple and basic beauty between the subjects, I feel this was not a photo technique, but rather a means to mute Caylee.

Jealous Casey downplaying her competition.

Bright cheerful, exciting colors would be the preference and natural environment of a young child, yet Casey at times portrays her daughter as merely part of a dull background. Of course, unless she has her huge smiling equestrian mouth in the photos, where she shows all of her perfect white straight teeth that Cindy must have paid for, then the intensity of the photos are kicked up more than a notch.

Casey must have been jealous that she did not (yet) have her tongue pierced like her GF.

And lastly, for crying out loud, how was Caylee ever to have any carefree, uninhibited playtime in a house with an unpractical, just for show, WHITE RUG?????

I wonder if someone was following her around to make sure that every particle of sand got swept up immediately. It is almost impossible to keep it out of the house, I don't care how much (or how thick) grass you have in the lawn

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! I've been thinking this over a bit. Cindy and George seem more than eager to publicly speak out on national TV shows, where they are PAID. Yet, Lyon is Motioning the court to allow Casey and the family to visit PRIVATELY.

If this happens, I will be very, very disappointed and upset. The Anthonys already have the privilege to meet with Casey, but it must be Casey that is choosing not to do so. If Casey is too ashamed to even meet or speak with her family, then I say TOO BAD. What does Casey think she will face in the courtroom at her trial? It's all going to be public.

[Sun]

Found a very interesting posting on another site that I wanted to share with you. It discusses the "spoliation" that AL was referencing in her motion.

"So it made it rather difficult for Baez to have the scene inspected without a court order.

That didn't come until January 30th, 2009.
That's almost a full 2 months after the initial discovery.

The scene was not "secure" from December 20th-forward. The scene had been heavily altered from December 19th-back.

Potentially exculpatory evidence had been ruined twice over within those timeframes.

That's what "spoliation" of evidence refers to.

Destruction and alteration of potentially exculpating evidence."

I think that this motion for dismissal is going to be professionally DENIED by Judge Strickland. Judge Strickland has already ruled twice before, that he has no intention in letting the defense interfere in the investigation of an active crime scene.

[Julie Dupree]

I think that this motion for dismissal is going to be professionally DENIED by Judge Strickland. Judge Strickland has already ruled twice before, that he has no intention in letting the defense interfere in the investigation of an active crime scene.


I agree 100%.
I wasn't sure what that term meant, and thought there might be others that were wondering also.
There was also another posting on the same site that offered another tidbit that I found interesting...I wonder if, and how much of the case cited here will be discussed.

It's already a matter of record.
12/11/08
-Defense: Emergency Motion to Preserve Evidence.

12/12/08
-State: Response to Defense Emergency Motion to Preserve Evidence

12/12/08
-Judge: Order; Defense Motion to Preserve Evidence "DENIED"

The State knew the defense wanted crime scene evidence preserved. The judge knew it too.

They knew the defenses desire to have someone inspect the scene in situ.

In Iowa Vs. Hartfield, the appellate court overturned the conviction because the state neglected to preserve evidence the defendant asked to be preserved.

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning everyone! I've been thinking this over a bit. Cindy and George seem more than eager to publicly speak out on national TV shows, where they are PAID. Yet, Lyon is Motioning the court to allow Casey and the family to visit PRIVATELY.

If this happens, I will be very, very disappointed and upset. The Anthonys already have the privilege to meet with Casey, but it must be Casey that is choosing not to do so. If Casey is too ashamed to even meet or speak with her family, then I say TOO BAD. What does Casey think she will face in the courtroom at her trial? It's all going to be public.

I think AL is trying to get the two of them together. I think she wants them to be on "loving" terms by the time the trial starts. Personally I think neither of them want to take the first step to "mend any fences".
Cindy and George can cry "we support our daughter" to the press, I am not so sure they can say it to Casey as convincing as they do to everyone else.
As far as Casey goes, I think she much happier not having to deal with either of them. Having to do so now would force her to grow up and take some responsibility, which is something she deathly afraid of doing.

[desmom]

With all these motions flying around and being discussed I almost forgot about the doc dump. The 2,000 documents were given to the defense team I think on August 25th. Should be interesting. Orlando Sentinel said included in the docs were FBI operating procedures for various divisions, such as the latent print operations unit. Click Orlando reported FBI lab reports, and WFTV stated FBI records. :shrug: Guess we will find out eventually, and I hope it's something with some meat in it. According to WFTV it is unclear when the evidence will be released to the media. :mad:

Hopefully it will include the date the FBI positively IDed the remains as Caylee and it will shut down the defense's motion "they knew, didn't tell so they could keep the defense out of the crime scene" motion. :rolleyes:

oh and if there were any latent prints/evidence on the duct tape, the maggot forensics report and, and.....I am sure there is more, but I need more coffee.

Good Morning All!

[Sun]

I think AL is trying to get the two of them together. I think she wants them to be on "loving" terms by the time the trial starts. Personally I think neither of them want to take the first step to "mend any fences".
Cindy and George can cry "we support our daughter" to the press, I am not so sure they can say it to Casey as convincing as they do to everyone else.
As far as Casey goes, I think she much happier not having to deal with either of them. Having to do so now would force her to grow up and take some responsibility, which is something she deathly afraid of doing.

It is also likely that the isolation of "protective custody" is giving Casey major emotional problems (like she didn't already have some before).

[sammy62]

good morning
I've been hanging out over at the Haleigh's board. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate this board and how everyone respects everyone else's opinion. The fighting over there makes me "nuts". I must have written a dozen messages last night and never sent them.

I understand the reason we all get along is because we all know Casey is guilty and dislike the A's.

But it is still refreshing.....thanks

:thumbsup:

[desmom]

It is also likely that the isolation of "protective custody" is giving Casey major emotional problems (like she didn't already have some before).

What kind of withdrawal symptoms would Casey have experienced when she lost access to her cell phone, text messages, internet and partying?

In the beginning, she may have enjoyed the solitude. Eleven months later she is probably bouncing off the walls.

A couple of links about a day in the life of Casey:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17764362/detail.html

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/a_day_in_the_life_of_casey_ant.php

[KatieLady]

good morning
I've been hanging out over at the Haleigh's board. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate this board and how everyone respects everyone else's opinion. The fighting over there makes me "nuts". I must have written a dozen messages last night and never sent them.

I understand the reason we all get along is because we all know Casey is guilty and dislike the A's.

But it is still refreshing.....thanks

:thumbsup:

I do the same thing over there sammy! LOL

[Scampi]

Toadii: equestrian mouth :lol:

There is a certain Mr. Ed like quality to that smile, but unlike Mr. Ed, she doesn't talk.

I agree with everyone, this is the best forum on IS, imo.

[sammy62]

I do the same thing over there sammy! LOL

I wasn't following this case when the search for Caylee was going on, and everyone was waiting for the DNA results. Such mixed feelings to want them to find Haleigh in this pond....and hope they don't. Thanks for letting me talk ot...If I said this over there I would be bashed by someone. Pat yourselves on the back....pat pat.

[Neffy]

I think that this motion for dismissal is going to be professionally DENIED by Judge Strickland. Judge Strickland has already ruled twice before, that he has no intention in letting the defense interfere in the investigation of an active crime scene.

Agreed, So this is how AL is biding her time? Rehashing the hash. --HUGE WASTE!

[martha]

IMO it was all about the money.. It still is.. look at all the money the A's are raking on not to mention all the freebies and perks that go along with it.. the guy from tv at all hearings, the free airflights, the nicest hotel rooms, best food they can order. tv appearences, etc down right sickening.. Using A DEAD BABY to live off of and scam the public out of their hard earned money while cindy and george live the good life off of a dead BABY and other peoples sweat..and hard earned money.. sickening people..

casey thought NO ONE would question her.. they'd believe what came out of her mouth..... ITA with you You say it so good and so right. It just makes me sick to think about the an;s and all they or doing. It is so sad that people that do not have much to live on or sending them money. They or really living the high life right now. I guess they will do that the rest of their lives because of a sweet little girl that was given to them by God and they did not take care of her and love her the way most people would have. How casey can even live with her self I will never know. The an's or one sick bunch. If they keep the foundation up and runing they will always live the high life but I wish someone would check this foundation out and see how they or spending the money and for what. They or loving the life they or living now but it might come to an end one day. I can;t see anyone given them a job at anything. I am so glad CAYLEE is in heaven now and away from them all. jmho. :wub:

[Neffy]

IMO it was all about the money.. It still is.. look at all the money the A's are raking on not to mention all the freebies and perks that go along with it.. the guy from tv at all hearings, the free airflights, the nicest hotel rooms, best food they can order. tv appearences, etc down right sickening.. Using A DEAD BABY to live off of and scam the public out of their hard earned money while cindy and george live the good life off of a dead BABY and other peoples sweat..and hard earned money.. sickening people..

casey thought NO ONE would question her.. they'd believe what came out of her mouth.....

Yep, funds must be running low time to replenish. I also agree that Casey was and still is still in denial about why no one that she hasn't hired is still questioning her. How dare they. I have no idea what cloth this Anthony family cut themselves out of but I've never seen anything like it.

[Sun]

What kind of withdrawal symptoms would Casey have experienced when she lost access to her cell phone, text messages, internet and partying?

In the beginning, she may have enjoyed the solitude. Eleven months later she is probably bouncing off the walls.

A couple of links about a day in the life of Casey:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17764362/detail.html

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/a_day_in_the_life_of_casey_ant.php

With Casey's personality, NOT getting her "fix" of attention from those she is manipulating, is probably the most thing that she misses. In some ways, I believe this would include Cindy in some way. Cindy seemed to hughly enable Casey in many ways. Cindy was hughly co-dependant on Casey, in a very unhealthy way.

No matter what Casey's personality type, being in jail (solitary protective custody) just has to be boring.

[Numbers]

Agreed, So this is how AL is biding her time? Rehashing the hash. --HUGE WASTE!

More like this is how AL's students are spending their study time.

ETA: How rude of me. Good morning, everyone! :seeya:

[Neffy]

More like this is how AL's students are spending their study time.

Is this team not doing their homework or did Lyons miss this tried and failed approach or is she going for another bite of the apple? I was a bit apprehensive when she came on board but seems it was all for naught.

[Numbers]

Is this team not doing their homework or did Lyons miss this tried and failed approach or is she going for another bite of the apple? I was a bit apprehensive when she came on board but seems it was all for naught.

I understand that her forte is the penalty phase of the trials. When Casey is found guilty, AL will step up to the plate and start swinging.

From her announcements, interviews, and motions, I think that's where her focus is now. Everything seems to be how *special* this case is because of the DP, very little on trying the actual case.

[legalmania]

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[Julie Dupree]

ITA with you You say it so good and so right. It just makes me sick to think about the an;s and all they or doing. It is so sad that people that do not have much to live on or sending them money. They or really living the high life right now. I guess they will do that the rest of their lives because of a sweet little girl that was given to them by God and they did not take care of her and love her the way most people would have. How casey can even live with her self I will never know. The an's or one sick bunch. If they keep the foundation up and runing they will always live the high life but I wish someone would check this foundation out and see how they or spending the money and for what. They or loving the life they or living now but it might come to an end one day. I can;t see anyone given them a job at anything. I am so glad CAYLEE is in heaven now and away from them all. jmho. :wub:

Good Morning Ms Martha:)
Hope you are feeling better today.
I think most of the money that the Anthonys are getting now is coming from the major TV networks. $200K for this, $200K for that...and now this new project on 48 hrs...no telling how much they are getting for that. Their little foundation I think is not bringing in the money they had hoped. :) and I think posters like you and me and all of us here are helping to bring that about.

[Julie Dupree]

Agreed, So this is how AL is biding her time? Rehashing the hash. --HUGE WASTE!

I am not so sure it is a huge waste. I think AL knew that a lot of the garbage that JB put out would not have a chance on appeal so she is doing what she has to to correct it.
Not that I think it will do any good...I think Judge Strickland will do the same thing to hers that he did to JB's, but I can understand why she feels it is necessary to try.

[Neffy]

I am not so sure it is a huge waste. I think AL knew that a lot of the garbage that JB put out would not have a chance on appeal so she is doing what she has to to correct it.
Not that I think it will do any good...I think Judge Strickland will do the same thing to hers that he did to JB's, but I can understand why she feels it is necessary to try.


The way I see it is doing it "twice" diminishes a chance for appeal regarding duplicating a motion and having it denied. So I respectfully disagree your point and have no idea what Lyons point is in doing this.

[legalmania]

Good Morning Ms Martha:)
Hope you are feeling better today.
I think most of the money that the Anthonys are getting now is coming from the major TV networks. $200K for this, $200K for that...and now this new project on 48 hrs...no telling how much they are getting for that. Their little foundation I think is not bringing in the money they had hoped. :) and I think posters like you and me and all of us here are helping to bring that about.

Are you sure they are getting that much because I heard they only pay $25 to 75 thousand depending on interest in the story. The 48hrs project may be a little more. What I hate is people keep watching, if they have low ratings then the networks will stop the interviews because they are losing money.

[Julie Dupree]

Julie, I am not familiar with the cases cited, however, I believe that their motion is unrealistic.

The crime scene techs arrive, hundreds of photos are taken, all SOP, and unfortunately the crime scene had to be dismantled to extract the victim much the same way an auto crash fatality might be excised from the car. The ins. company and future lawyers representing the victim are not called in to examine the process from start to finish. A victim of a gunshot wound in his home, once removed by the coroner's office, leaves an relatively intact crime scene, however poor Caylee was there for months and her bones were entwined in plants. I guess what I am saying is that the crime scene techs are the ones responsible for the integrety of their work which can be challenged by either side. One of the checks and balances serving to maintain that integrety are the photos taken in the presence of LE. Either side, viewing the photos can ask, say, what is that old shoe forty feet from the site, and why wasn't it collected as evidence? The defense can claim "That looks like a size 12" and my client wears a size 6. The state failed to collect it, the state has withheld excupatory evidence, so this proves SODDI.

The defense requesting that evidence removed and sent for lab testing be preserved in part to allow their experts to test is right and just, and they were granted this.

I just can't believe the defense assertion that they should have been allowed to waltz through the scene before it was released by LE and then not inspecting it when it was released because the scene was altered and then complaining about it. Like one of our posters stated, if defense lawyers had access to all crime scenes during processing, there would be few if any guilty convictions.

I suppose I should research the grounds for their motion, however I am hard pressed to want to...at least AL is somewhat easier to read than Baez.

Toadii, I am in no way saying this is their grounds for their motion. I merely copied it for everyone to read. I like to know as much as I can not only about what evidence the state will present, but how the defense may react to that evidence. Since they are not saying what kind of defense they are planning on presenting, this posting is just one possibility.

I personally do not understand how they can expect to ever get a favorable ruling on not being allowed access to a crime scene before it has been cleared...but I know nothing about the law. Maybe they can find something...something like this case.

Oh well, guess we will all find out at some point in time. If the trial ever gets here.

[Julie Dupree]

Are you sure they are getting that much because I heard they only pay $25 to 75 thousand depending on interest in the story. The 48hrs project may be a little more. What I hate is people keep watching, if they have low ratings then the networks will stop the interviews because they are losing money.


I believe I hear, or read, somewhere that ABC paid $200K for one of the batches of photos/videos of Caylee. I added the second to illustrate the point that they were being paid more from the networks than what they were receiving through the foundation. This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

[Neffy]

I understand that her forte is the penalty phase of the trials. When Casey is found guilty, AL will step up to the plate and start swinging.

From her announcements, interviews, and motions, I think that's where her focus is now. Everything seems to be how *special* this case is because of the DP, very little on trying the actual case.

Stepping up to the plate LOL. They need a platter for all these I'm in charge and "my speciality is" types" I've seen no one step up to the plate yet. Granted their not in court yet and that's where it needs to be tried but they look like a lot of "conjurors" so far and bad ones at that.

They're looking for a technicality and they're stuck on that as they have nothing else to spring Casey on.

[Julie Dupree]

The way I see it is doing it "twice" diminishes a chance for appeal regarding duplicating a motion and having it denied. So I respectfully disagree your point and have no idea what Lyons point is in doing this.


:) I still think you are "Niffy" "Neffy".
You may be right and she may be just stalling, delaying and trying to put off the inevitable.
But then again, she may not.

[legalmania]

I believe I hear, or read, somewhere that ABC paid $200K for one of the batches of photos/videos of Caylee. I added the second to illustrate the point that they were being paid more from the networks than what they were receiving through the foundation. This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

You could be right, just not sure my daughter works for a t.v. station and she said they don't pay as much as people think. Some won't pay a penny. I hope that Cindy A realizes that everytime she gets money she gets into a higher tax bracket. She better be donating this money as she said or the IRS will be a big problem in her life.

[Julie Dupree]

What kind of withdrawal symptoms would Casey have experienced when she lost access to her cell phone, text messages, internet and partying?

In the beginning, she may have enjoyed the solitude. Eleven months later she is probably bouncing off the walls.

A couple of links about a day in the life of Casey:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17764362/detail.html

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/a_day_in_the_life_of_casey_ant.php

Thanks for posting those links desmom. I had forgot about them (glad you don't forget:)..)

I think Sun said it best...she is down, depressed, and withdrawn over the same thing she would be down, depressed, and withdrawn over if she were on Hopespring Dr if she didn't have her cell phone, her computer, and her boyfriends.
Yes I think her being in confinement is taking its toll on her, but I am not to the point of thinking it is necessarily because of being alone all the time.

[Julie Dupree]

You could be right, just not sure my daughter works for a t.v. station and she said they don't pay as much as people think. Some won't pay a penny. I hope that Cindy A realizes that everytime she gets money she gets into a higher tax bracket. She better be donating this money as she said or the IRS will be a big problem in her life.


I think all the money is being channeled though the foundation. Of course I could be wrong, and probably am, but that would help with the taxes.

[legalmania]

I think all the money is being channeled though the foundation. Of course I could be wrong, and probably am, but that would help with the taxes.

Well I hope it's being channeled through the foundation, because come tax time she must account for every penny. That's one place she can't lie.

[Sun]

The way I see it is doing it "twice" diminishes a chance for appeal regarding duplicating a motion and having it denied. So I respectfully disagree your point and have no idea what Lyons point is in doing this.

I'm thinking that Lyon may feel that any work done solely by Baez on this case, needs to be mostly done over under the direction of a death penalty qualified attorney. From soley a legal standpoint of being an effective counsel to Casey. I don't know, perhaps it's not necessary, and I've gotten it all wrong. JMO

[legalmania]

The board is super slow, be back later have a good one.:seeya:

[Neffy]

:) I still think you are "Niffy" "Neffy".
You may be right and she may be just stalling, delaying and trying to put off the inevitable.
But then again, she may not.

ACK! You've thrown a wet blanket on my Nef_arious being. I'm melting.................... :w00t:

Todddddddd, Andrea and Baez OH MY! I see a clash of the titans. I expect much stupidity to continue as they carry out this charade of a defense of some other dude did it.

[september]

Casey got the ball and sunk with it. She will go to prison forever and Mom and dad get rich quick out of it.
Poor Caylee dies for all of it!:mad:

ETA: One thing I have to say, Lee is not around. Perhaps he wants no part it.:confused:

Good morning all!

Dean, I was interested in your statement on Lee. He has managed throughout this thing to be the least public Ant. but read Rob Dicks interview and he emerges as a strong leader within the Anthony clan. He is even calling Cindy and ordering her back to the house when he finds out Casey is alone with Tracy AND SHE COMPLIES. He also was quite involved and influential in the talks the family had with Lenny, etc. I am sure he knows the truth and may have prior to July 16. I would love to know his motive I think its more than brotherly devotion.

[Julie Dupree]

Well I hope it's being channeled through the foundation, because come tax time she must account for every penny. That's one place she can't lie.

:) I wonder if anyone has told her this.

[Numbers]

Well I hope it's being channeled through the foundation, because come tax time she must account for every penny. That's one place she can't lie.

Contrary to popular opinion, charitable foundations do have to pay taxes. And the Anthonys may try to claim their house (mortgage, utilities, etc) as expenses for the foundation, but they can't [legally] claim the entire mortgage, utilities, etc. Mr/Mrs/Ms IRS will pay them a visit (been there, done that) and ask to see what space is devoted to running their foundation. If it's a spare bedroom being used as an office, they can deduct a percentage of the expenses equal to the percent of the total house square footage/office square footage. But if that "office" contains a bed that may be used from time to time for Lee or other guests, that negates the "office" deal.

They may very well try to deduct these expenses - and some of them will be legit - but it's not the free ride everyone seems to think it is.

[Neffy]

I would like to believe that the foundation is recieving about as much money as George's donation jars he used to set up around town along side his T shirts and rubber bracelletes for sale and Lee's paypal account.:biggrin: They are slowly losing the limelight, at least I hope so.

I look forward to the special. Cindy never fails to offend the public.

[Julie Dupree]

Contrary to popular opinion, charitable foundations do have to pay taxes. And the Anthonys may try to claim their house (mortgage, utilities, etc) as expenses for the foundation, but they can't [legally] claim the entire mortgage, utilities, etc. Mr/Mrs/Ms IRS will pay them a visit (been there, done that) and ask to see what space is devoted to running their foundation. If it's a spare bedroom being used as an office, they can deduct a percentage of the expenses equal to the percent of the total house square footage/office square footage. But if that "office" contains a bed that may be used from time to time for Lee or other guests, that negates the "office" deal.

They may very well try to deduct these expenses - and some of them will be legit - but it's not the free ride everyone seems to think it is.

Wonder if it is to early to put this on my "wish list" for Santa.
I think the IRS would be one formidable foe for Cindy:)

[Neffy]

Contrary to popular opinion, charitable foundations do have to pay taxes. And the Anthonys may try to claim their house (mortgage, utilities, etc) as expenses for the foundation, but they can't [legally] claim the entire mortgage, utilities, etc. Mr/Mrs/Ms IRS will pay them a visit (been there, done that) and ask to see what space is devoted to running their foundation. If it's a spare bedroom being used as an office, they can deduct a percentage of the expenses equal to the percent of the total house square footage/office square footage. But if that "office" contains a bed that may be used from time to time for Lee or other guests, that negates the "office" deal.

They may very well try to deduct these expenses - and some of them will be legit - but it's not the free ride everyone seems to think it is.


Depending on how far one wants to go there are other hidden dangers. Although not a charitable foundation I know of one person who decided to run a telecom business out of his home. Someone called up on this guy throwing empty cable reels out (small not large) cardboard boxes etc and the city excised some type of garbage tax on him. You don't have the same rights as residential when you run a business out of your home in some aspects.

Seems like it all depends on who's watching you, has a grudge and who is up on the law. I hope they are being watched very closely by the IRS, City, County and the State.

[Imperfect4]

I just had a most pleasant thought.

What if, now that it's been publicly, officially acknowledged George and Cindy are part of the "defense team," and will therefore be of even less use to the prosecution going forward ... what if the request for George's GJ testimony is just a *loose end* the state is tying up prior to arresting both GA and CA for whatever it is they've done to obstruct the investigation?

:smile: :w00t: :drool:

[Piratexox]

Morning all;

It looks like George projects about 25K for the foundation this year.It's in the bottom paragraphs of the 1st story here- page 2-

http://www.wftv.com/news/20295323/detail.html

Another reason for a media tour.

[happygert]

I agree 100%.
I wasn't sure what that term meant, and thought there might be others that were wondering also.
There was also another posting on the same site that offered another tidbit that I found interesting...I wonder if, and how much of the case cited here will be discussed.

It's already a matter of record.
12/11/08
-Defense: Emergency Motion to Preserve Evidence.

12/12/08
-State: Response to Defense Emergency Motion to Preserve Evidence

12/12/08
-Judge: Order; Defense Motion to Preserve Evidence "DENIED"

The State knew the defense wanted crime scene evidence preserved. The judge knew it too.

They knew the defenses desire to have someone inspect the scene in situ.

In Iowa Vs. Hartfield, the appellate court overturned the conviction because the state neglected to preserve evidence the defendant asked to be preserved.

I dont see where the State failed to preserve "EVIDENCE" imo the only thing the State could not preserve was the crime scene .. they did document it with pictures, grids etc.. they did collect everything in and around it.. dirt and all..

NO defense team has ever been in an active crime scene.. There is many crime scenes where the defendant is not found for years later and no one was crying because they didnt get into the crime scene it self.

Why is the defense team crying now? IMO baez knew it was Caylee and that why he wanted in there even before her remains were ID.
IMO that really makes HIM and his client look really BAD..

I want the defense team to show where ANY DEFENDANTS laywers or experts have ever been allowed in a active crime scene.. IT just don't happen..

I would also like to know what evidence defense team says they wanted preserved and SA didnt preserve it..

[martha]

o/t but I sure can tell everyone the irs is not someone you want to fool with. I was on my brother est and He passed away in 2007 and I am still dealing with them I never want to be on anyone est any more unless they have tons of money.ha,The irs is still billing me for some taxes on some stock he had. Now I guess I will have to pay it but sure hope I don;t. I just don;t understand the irs.Now I am living on ss and that is not much to live on.the inst and pen on money you owe them is awful. Pray for me on this so maybe some day I will not be dealing with them. c and g better be careful what they do or don;t do with the money they or getting from everyone.I don;t know anything about a foundation but you can bet if you owe the irs some money they will get it one way or another sorry for being o/t.just had to express this.jmho

[Patty437]

I know we've all discussed the "nanny" thing since day 31, but this is really the only piece of the puzzle that truly stumps me. Cindy told co-workers, according to them, that she had referred to "zanny" as the sitter. Ricardo Morales told LE that Casey had referred to her as well.
How does Casey come up with "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez"? The conincidence of ZG at Sawgrass really is mind boggling. ZG was at Sawgrass in june right? So, somehow, Casey sees her, looks at her registration card, locks the name away in her warped mind, then mid July uses (and embelishes) the name to LE?

[frances1]

Contrary to popular opinion, charitable foundations do have to pay taxes. And the Anthonys may try to claim their house (mortgage, utilities, etc) as expenses for the foundation, but they can't [legally] claim the entire mortgage, utilities, etc. Mr/Mrs/Ms IRS will pay them a visit (been there, done that) and ask to see what space is devoted to running their foundation. If it's a spare bedroom being used as an office, they can deduct a percentage of the expenses equal to the percent of the total house square footage/office square footage. But if that "office" contains a bed that may be used from time to time for Lee or other guests, that negates the "office" deal.

They may very well try to deduct these expenses - and some of them will be legit - but it's not the free ride everyone seems to think it is.

I'm sure Cindy will say she has her 'foundation stuff' scattered all over the house, in every room, and in her car, also.

[really3997]

I am not one to gossip so you didn't hear this from me. Can someone tell the person who wrote about not knowing the relationship between Lee and Mallory. To do a looky lou. She as been there all weekend with her man. I will be so mad if the spout off nonsense here.

[martha]

I agree that if we did not watch those shows the media would stop having them on but for the life of me I want to see what kind of lyes the an;s will come up with next. Yes I like seeing all the new cloths and jew.they or wearing. new hair do and other things. new purses. I know if casey is seeing them it is just burning her up that she is not out to help them spend all this money. I think the money means more to the an;s than anything elce. They may be glad casey is not out to spend all the money they or getting. I don;t think their house will hold anything elce. I am looking for them to buy a new house soon.maybe some more new cars. I am sure Lee is getting his part of this too.jmho

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530424/detail.html

Here is a link to the affidavit for search warrart on Dec 11th. It includes a very good summary of events (though I did note some typos especially on dates).

(if the print is too small to read, just increase the percentage size to a comfortable level).

[frances1]

I am not one to gossip so you didn't hear this from me. Can someone tell the person who wrote about not knowing the relationship between Lee and Mallory. To do a looky lou. She as been there all weekend with her man. I will be so mad if the spout off nonsense here.

Really, do you think Lee is still living with his parents?

[Imperfect4]

I am not one to gossip so you didn't hear this from me. Can someone tell the person who wrote about not knowing the relationship between Lee and Mallory. To do a looky lou. She as been there all weekend with her man. I will be so mad if the spout off nonsense here.

Bolding mine. :laugh: In Living Color, right?

IIRC, it was the Sentinel or another media outlet who wrote that the relationship between Bu! and the middle finger was "unknown" at this time. It's clear to us internet people they're still together. After all, we have the pic on Bu!'s MySpace page. And we have our poster-on-the-scene, really3997. :thumbup:

[martha]

I am not one to gossip so you didn't hear this from me. Can someone tell the person who wrote about not knowing the relationship between Lee and Mallory. To do a looky lou. She as been there all weekend with her man. I will be so mad if the spout off nonsense here.Hi sweet one, I guess the house is still full of people. wish they still had the web cam up. I would love to see the back yard and see if everything is still there. It look so much like CAYLEE when we got to see it. how c and g and even lee and m stay there with all of CAYLLE;S stuff there I will never know. If I was living in that house I would be looking for CAYLEE everyday. going to the back yard and seeing if she was there so I could hug her and tell her I love her so very much. My days would be spent in her little play house crying for her but guess the an;s or not like me.I sure am glad I am not like them.jmho:wub:

[Sun]

I am not one to gossip so you didn't hear this from me. Can someone tell the person who wrote about not knowing the relationship between Lee and Mallory. To do a looky lou. She as been there all weekend with her man. I will be so mad if the spout off nonsense here.

really, do you think that Cindy has tossed the "house rules" or do they just take advantage when Cindy is away?

[Numbers]

I dont see where the State failed to preserve "EVIDENCE" imo the only thing the State could not preserve was the crime scene .. they did document it with pictures, grids etc.. they did collect everything in and around it.. dirt and all..

NO defense team has ever been in an active crime scene.. There is many crime scenes where the defendant is not found for years later and no one was crying because they didnt get into the crime scene it self.

Why is the defense team crying now? IMO baez knew it was Caylee and that why he wanted in there even before her remains were ID.
IMO that really makes HIM and his client look really BAD..

I want the defense team to show where ANY DEFENDANTS laywers or experts have ever been allowed in a active crime scene.. IT just don't happen..

I would also like to know what evidence defense team says they wanted preserved and SA didnt preserve it..

Why, all that stuff that proves Zanny did it and Casey did not do it, of course. :rolleyes:

[really3997]

Really, do you think Lee is still living with his parents?

Yes he is there everyday and morning so yepper

[happygert]

I am not one to gossip so you didn't hear this from me. Can someone tell the person who wrote about not knowing the relationship between Lee and Mallory. To do a looky lou. She as been there all weekend with her man. I will be so mad if the spout off nonsense here.

OH no is george and cindy gone for the weekend? Just seems to me cindy would be throwing one heck of a fit if they are in same room.. You know thats not allowed in cindys house.. only things acceptable in cindy's house is lying , knock down drag outs,stealing , screaming, cussing, ..yes and possible murder of her 2 year old granddaughter... after all casey only murdered Caylee the one time..

[really3997]

Bolding mine. :laugh: In Living Color, right?

IIRC, it was the Sentinel or another media outlet who wrote that the relationship between Bu! and the middle finger was "unknown" at this time. It's clear to us internet people they're still together. After all, we have the pic on Bu!'s MySpace page. And we have our poster-on-the-scene, really3997. :thumbup:

Why yes Ms. Jenkins it is...:thumbsup:

[Numbers]

I'm sure Cindy will say she has her 'foundation stuff' scattered all over the house, in every room, and in her car, also.

Rest easy. It has to be in an area used *exclusively* for that purpose.

But I'd love to see her try this, then get slapped by the IRS.

[happygert]

Why, all that stuff that proves Zanny did it and Casey did not do it, of course. :rolleyes:

Oh yes forgot about all that evidence. bet nanny even left a note confessing to Caylee's murder.:rolleyes:

[really3997]

really, do you think that Cindy has tossed the "house rules" or do they just take advantage when Cindy is away?

Sorry my opinion of Cindy is mother/grandmother in name only. No true internal feelings otherwise this would have been a different story. No sense making rules that would involve the endless battles to enforce them.

[really3997]

Rest easy. It has to be in an area used *exclusively* for that purpose.

But I'd love to see her try this, then get slapped by the IRS.



My thought is that the FBI is involved in this case. The IRS will not be too far behind them jmo

[msgatorslayer]

I'm sure Cindy will say she has her 'foundation stuff' scattered all over the house, in every room, and in her car, also.

Definately!! Nothing is centrally located in that house. The 'foundation stuff' is competing for space with the "Casey defense' and "Media' files. They can take a tax deduction on the bathroom too, lmao.

[Neffy]

Oh yes forgot about all that evidence. bet nanny even left a note confessing to Caylee's murder.:rolleyes:

Probably with the "script".

[sammy62]

Do you suppose George and Cindy took their boat over to the pond they are draining for Haleigh. After all...it has all the state of the art equipment to find missing kids. :thumbdown:

[frances1]

My thought is that the FBI is involved in this case. The IRS will not be too far behind them jmo

Can you imagine being an IRS agent, and being assigned to audit her taxes?

[kelloggirl]

I know we've all discussed the "nanny" thing since day 31, but this is really the only piece of the puzzle that truly stumps me. Cindy told co-workers, according to them, that she had referred to "zanny" as the sitter. Ricardo Morales told LE that Casey had referred to her as well.
How does Casey come up with "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez"? The conincidence of ZG at Sawgrass really is mind boggling. ZG was at Sawgrass in june right? So, somehow, Casey sees her, looks at her registration card, locks the name away in her warped mind, then mid July uses (and embelishes) the name to LE?

This is one of the great mysteries to me as well, Patty. I hope the prosecution has more information or at least a credible theory. For example, a manager saying they left Casey alone in the office at Sawgrass after Zenaida had been there. It is very puzzling, I agree.

[sammy62]

This is one of the great mysteries to me as well, Patty. I hope the prosecution has more information or at least a credible theory. For example, a manager saying they left Casey alone in the office at Sawgrass after Zenaida had been there. It is very puzzling, I agree.

I think Zanny was zanex. I think Fernandez and Gonzales were the location she left Caylee. I think the Sawgrass was a coincidence...but may have given her the idea.

[msgatorslayer]

Do you suppose George and Cindy took their boat over to the pond they are draining for Haleigh. After all...it has all the state of the art equipment to find missing kids. :thumbdown:

Well, Ron doesn't like the Anthony's and has already publicly told them to stay away so I'm doubtful they'll stick their noses there.

I do wonder what the protocol is for the SS Caylee Marie to set sail. Is George gonna just show up when a child is missing? Or, similar to TES, wait to get a call from LE or family? IIRC, on the Milested's website they say the boat is available to assit LE.

I can't see LE or the family of a missing person saying 'Well, we'd better call in the Anthony's'

[sammy62]

Well, Ron doesn't like the Anthony's and has already publicly told them to stay away so I'm doubtful they'll stick their noses there.

I do wonder what the protocol is for the SS Caylee Marie to set sail. Is George gonna just show up when a child is missing? Or, similar to TES, wait to get a call from LE or family? IIRC, on the Milested's website they say the boat is available to assit LE.

I can't see LE or the family of a missing person saying 'Well, we'd better call in the Anthony's'

lol....exactly

[Julie Dupree]

Oh yes forgot about all that evidence. bet nanny even left a note confessing to Caylee's murder.:rolleyes:


OH MY!!!!
I bet gert just discovered the "irrevocable evidence" (or some such nonsense) the defense claim to have....A WRITTEN CONFESSION FROM ZANNY.
Why didn't we think of this sooner.

[Jeepers]

Yes he is there everyday and morning so yepper

Hey Really!

Jumping off on what Sweet Martha was just posting about, just wondering can you see if little Caylee's playhouse is still in the backyard yard or did the A's throw that away too?
Martha was just making me think about seeing her little room, toys everyday. Heart Breaking to me.

[Bala]

I have been wondering for a while if the A's even have the legal right to use Caylee's name and image. Caasey is still considered her legal guardian and as such holds those rights. Casey may be staying quite now because of the upcoming trial but after she gets convicted go after them for every penny they made off Caylee and Casey's image. Remember Cindy cremated Caylee against her mother's wishes.

[Bala]

Well, Ron doesn't like the Anthony's and has already publicly told them to stay away so I'm doubtful they'll stick their noses there.

I do wonder what the protocol is for the SS Caylee Marie to set sail. Is George gonna just show up when a child is missing? Or, similar to TES, wait to get a call from LE or family? IIRC, on the Milested's website they say the boat is available to assit LE.

I can't see LE or the family of a missing person saying 'Well, we'd better call in the Anthony's'
Does George have to rent the boat from the foundation before he uses it for anything other then foundation business? Don't they have to prove that they use it for the foundation in order to write it off.

[Julie Dupree]

OH no is george and cindy gone for the weekend? Just seems to me cindy would be throwing one heck of a fit if they are in same room.. You know thats not allowed in cindys house.. only things acceptable in cindy's house is lying , knock down drag outs,stealing , screaming, cussing, ..yes and possible murder of her 2 year old granddaughter... after all casey only murdered Caylee the one time..


I wonder if Cindy has different standards for Lee than she had for Casey and Jesse?

[Jeepers]

Do you suppose George and Cindy took their boat over to the pond they are draining for Haleigh. After all...it has all the state of the art equipment to find missing kids. :thumbdown:

They don't have time!they are busy with their wardrobe and tv schedules. Last I heard Cindy say anything about searching for someone she was telling some folks to get off THEIR ARSES and go look.
Cute $30,000.00 useless boat along with their useless rolling Billboard Sign Car.
jmo

[frances1]

I have been wondering for a while if the A's even have the legal right to use Caylee's name and image. Caasey is still considered her legal guardian and as such holds those rights. Casey may be staying quite now because of the upcoming trial but after she gets convicted go after them for every penny they made off Caylee and Casey's image. Remember Cindy cremated Caylee against her mother's wishes.

I have been wondering the same thing from the time it was apparent that the Anthonys were being paid photo rights, etc. Why would these grandparents hold those rights? Has something legal been drawn up by Baez, and if so, could we trust that it was done correctly?

[Julie Dupree]

Does George have to rent the boat from the foundation before he uses it for anything other then foundation business? Don't they have to prove that they use it for the foundation in order to write it off.

Bala, I have wondered about that also. I wonder if he is listed as the owner, the foundation is listed as the owner, or if KFN is listed as the owner???
I would think the party that owns the boat would be the one that would get any tax breaks...if there are any to be had.

[Julie Dupree]

I have been wondering the same thing from the time it was apparent that the Anthonys were being paid photo rights, etc. Why would these grandparents hold those rights? Has something legal been drawn up by Baez, and if so, could we trust that it was done correctly?

Didn't we hear at one time they (? not sure who "they" are) were trying to get Caylee's name copyrighted?

[need2no]

Hey Really!

Jumping off on what Sweet Martha was just posting about, just wondering can you see if little Caylee's playhouse is still in the backyard yard or did the A's throw that away too?
Martha was just making me think about seeing her little room, toys everyday. Heart Breaking to me.

I'll chip in for a helicopter rental fly over if y'all are interested. :biggrin:

[Bala]

I would think that the right to use picture of Caylee and her name belong to her estate wish would go to her mother. I remember a while back NG saying all the A's had the right to was to claim Caylee's remains and bury them, They couldn't even do that right.

[Julie Dupree]

I just had a most pleasant thought.

What if, now that it's been publicly, officially acknowledged George and Cindy are part of the "defense team," and will therefore be of even less use to the prosecution going forward ... what if the request for George's GJ testimony is just a *loose end* the state is tying up prior to arresting both GA and CA for whatever it is they've done to obstruct the investigation?

:smile: :w00t: :drool:

Do you have any pull with the dream fairy?
If so, please tell her about your pleasant thought. I bet she would like it as much as most of us here would.

[cuddlyrunner]

This morning I went in to 18 year old DS's room (converted garage) and found an empty bed. Slightly worried but not panicking I went and did some shopping. Came back and 2 hours later still no word and he's not answering his phone and was due to go to work in a couple of hours. Full blown panic set in and I even contacted his friends on facebook to see if they knew where he was (this is coming 2 weeks after 21 year old son who has left home didn't answer his phone for a couple of days and we couldn't track him down). Went to the loo and he appeared through the back door, cue me crying and shouting-then having to apologise when he reminded me that he had told me he was staying over a friend's house, I'd completely forgotten :-(
My point is the utter dread I felt when not knowing where they both were, for a couple of hours with 18 year old and a couple of days with 21 year old was all consuming.
Casey will never get beyond the fact that Caylee was missing for 31 days before anyone knew.

[Neffy]

I would think that the right to use picture of Caylee and her name belong to her estate wish would go to her mother. I remember a while back NG saying all the A's had the right to was to claim Caylee's remains and bury them, They couldn't even do that right.

Shows the level of dysfunction and power struggle in that household.

IMO, after the trial Casey will in fact go after her parents. I believe Casey is stewing in there. Cindy's new clothes, appearances, go kart racing LOL This will never do!

[really3997]

Hey Really!

Jumping off on what Sweet Martha was just posting about, just wondering can you see if little Caylee's playhouse is still in the backyard yard or did the A's throw that away too?
Martha was just making me think about seeing her little room, toys everyday. Heart Breaking to me.

You guys are REALLY trying to get me to go Missing...They still have the camera's up. Not taking that chance nope not me.:sneaky:

[Julie Dupree]

This morning I went in to 18 year old DS's room (converted garage) and found an empty bed. Slightly worried but not panicking I went and did some shopping. Came back and 2 hours later still no word and he's not answering his phone and was due to go to work in a couple of hours. Full blown panic set in and I even contacted his friends on facebook to see if they knew where he was (this is coming 2 weeks after 21 year old son who has left home didn't answer his phone for a couple of days and we couldn't track him down). Went to the loo and he appeared through the back door, cue me crying and shouting-then having to apologise when he reminded me that he had told me he was staying over a friend's house, I'd completely forgotten :-(
My point is the utter dread I felt when not knowing where they both were, for a couple of hours with 18 year old and a couple of days with 21 year old was all consuming.
Casey will never get beyond the fact that Caylee was missing for 31 days before anyone knew.

Cuddly, that is normal behavior for mothers:)
Waiting 31 days before reporting children missing is normal behavior for someone who is not attached to the child.
It is hard for any of us "mothers" to even think about doing.
But we all are very much attached to and involved with our children, regardless of their age.
Mine are much older than yours, and they still "report" in every day.

[need2no]

Didn't we hear at one time they (? not sure who "they" are) were trying to get Caylee's name copyrighted?

I take it you haven't read this article:
Can our meeting of the minds come to order, please?

*take a deep breath and brace yourself before reading*

Go down to about paragraph 7 where it starts with "there's more that transpired today...."


http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/can-our-meeting-of-the-minds-come-to-order-please/

Sorry Dave, I respectfully disagree. Research the ANS case for starters in regard to making a profit off of tragedy-HUGE bucks.

[Neffy]

Bala, I have wondered about that also. I wonder if he is listed as the owner, the foundation is listed as the owner, or if KFN is listed as the owner???
I would think the party that owns the boat would be the one that would get any tax breaks...if there are any to be had.

Very true! Where have the Milsteads been? I haven't read to much regarding them here. Are they still around?

[Bala]

I'm wondering if Casey is pulling the strings from her jail cell telling her parents what they can and can't do. I'm wondering what her cut is in all this and if the A's had to somehow secure her share. I just can't see Casey letting go of all that control especial when it's over Cindy.

[need2no]

I just had a most pleasant thought.

What if, now that it's been publicly, officially acknowledged George and Cindy are part of the "defense team," and will therefore be of even less use to the prosecution going forward ... what if the request for George's GJ testimony is just a *loose end* the state is tying up prior to arresting both GA and CA for whatever it is they've done to obstruct the investigation?

:w00t: :drool:


Imp, you really know how to make a girl :biggrin:, don't you!

sorry, had to 'borrow' a smilie

[Julie Dupree]

I take it you haven't read this article:
Can our meeting of the minds come to order, please?

*take a deep breath and brace yourself before reading*

Go down to about paragraph 7 where it starts with "there's more that transpired today...."


http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/can-our-meeting-of-the-minds-come-to-order-please/

Sorry Dave, I respectfully disagree. Research the ANS case for starters in regard to making a profit off of tragedy-HUGE bucks.

Thanks n2no...I had not seen that article.
I think it is so sad that anyone is making a penny from this little girls murder. I can't say death, because if she had just died, she would not have been a money making machine for anyone.
So So Sad:(
Is there anything that can be done to stop this sort of thing from happening?

[need2no]

I'm wondering if Casey is pulling the strings from her jail cell telling her parents what they can and can't do. I'm wondering what her cut is in all this and if the A's had to somehow secure her share. I just can't see Casey letting go of all that control especial when it's over Cindy.

Maybe C & G have just convinced casey (through Baez) that everything they are doing is on her behalf. casey is really in no position to argue..all she can do is rely on what she is being told, and hope that indeed any profits being made off of Caylee will help secure her release from jail, or at the very least spare her life. Maybe C & G are even regularly throwing a few dollars in her commissary account to help appease her.

[Julie Dupree]

Maybe C & G have just convinced casey (through Baez) that everything they are doing is on her behalf. casey is really in no position to argue..all she can do is rely on what she is being told, and hope that indeed any profits being made off of Caylee will help secure her release from jail, or at the very least spare her life. Maybe C & G are even regularly throwing a few dollars in her commissary account to help appease her.

Hummmmm???
I wonder if maybe this is one of the things that AL would like to "help" them settle by encouraging a "visit" without cameras?

[Bala]

What is Baez going to do try and make every witness for the State a part of the defense team?

[need2no]

Thanks n2no...I had not seen that article.
I think it is so sad that anyone is making a penny from this little girls murder. I can't say death, because if she had just died, she would not have been a money making machine for anyone.
So So Sad:(
Is there anything that can be done to stop this sort of thing from happening?

I think it is loathsome, inexcusable, pathetic, revolting, sad, cruel, outrageous, and it makes me sick!! They are living, and profiting off of blood money of their only grandchild, and to make it even worse (if that's possible)....a grandchild who resided with them since birth! Not to mention publicly supporting their child who murdered this granddaughter. I honestly don't know how they live with themselves; they should see pure evil when they look in the mirror.

As for anything being done about it....I'd say likely no. My only hope and prayer is they get themselves in big trouble at some point down the road. Perhaps they will be arrested for obstruction of justice. Perhaps they won't pay someone they promised to pay (when they collected), and they will be sued and hit with large attorney fees and endless days in court, and lose. Perhaps they won't pay board member payroll taxes, or submit annual financial reports, or try to hide some income by putting it in the foundation, and the IRS will come after them for huge sums of money. Perhaps they will put their house up for sale to move to a nicer place but they won't get any takers to purchase their house. I could suggest a few other things but probably shouldn't lest I give the impression that I am a vindictive person. :wink:

[Numbers]

What is Baez going to do try and make every witness for the State a part of the defense team?

Yup. He just copied the SA's witness list and turned it in as his own.

Truth.

[Julie Dupree]

I think it is loathsome, inexcusable, pathetic, revolting, sad, cruel, outrageous, and it makes me sick!! They are living, and profiting off of blood money of their only grandchild, and to make it even worse (if that's possible)....a grandchild who resided with them since birth! Not to mention publicly supporting their child who murdered this granddaughter. I honestly don't know how they live with themselves; they should see pure evil when they look in the mirror.

As for anything being done about it....I'd say likely no. My only hope and prayer is they get themselves in big trouble at some point down the road. Perhaps they will be arrested for obstruction of justice. Perhaps they won't pay someone they promised to pay (when they collected), and they will be sued and hit with large attorney fees and endless days in court, and lose. Perhaps they won't pay board member payroll taxes, or submit annual financial reports, or try to hide some income by putting it in the foundation, and the IRS will come after them for huge sums of money. Perhaps they will put their house up for sale to move to a nicer place but they won't get any takers to purchase their house. I could suggest a few other things but probably shouldn't lest I give the impression that I am a vindictive person. :wink:

:)Nah....I don't think anyone would ever think such a thing about you.
You seem to be a very level headed, compassion, intelligent, trustworthy, law abiding person. Vindictive, not even on your worst day.

[Julie Dupree]

What is Baez going to do try and make every witness for the State a part of the defense team?


Is that even legally possible.
Can both the defense and the prosecution depose the same witness and claim them as "theirs"?

[Jeepers]

You guys are REALLY trying to get me to go Missing...They still have the camera's up. Not taking that chance nope not me.:sneaky:

No, don't want you go to missing. I just did not know if when a car passed by their house if the playhouse was visible from the backyard.
:scared: