Saturday, September 19th Discussion

[FrankieBones1]

Where on earth is Haleigh?

[panache]

Where on earth is Haleigh?

Apparently LE feels there is evidence that she is here.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5253240.php

[Lynn Gweeny]

Where on earth is Haleigh?

:seeya: Frankie, thanks for starting today's thread and hello to you, too, panache and posters who will be joining the discussion today. There are so many conflicting media reports saying the search IS related to Haleigh, then it IS NOT related to Haleigh. :huh: Hopefully today, some clarification by LE will be forthcoming.

Please light a candle for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[FrankieBones1]

Here is a link to a search and reports of what family members have been saying including Annette and Ronald.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1268192127

[HouseOfClark]

IF Tommy is the one giving all this information, then IMO the cell door barely closed behind him before he started talking.

[FrankieBones1]

:seeya: Frankie, thanks for starting today's thread. There are so many conflicting media reports saying the search IS related to Haleigh, then it IS NOT related to Haleigh. :huh: Hopefully today, some clarification by LE will be forthcoming.

Please light a candle for Haleigh

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Good Morning, Sweety. It's time for LE to say a few words, in my opinion.

[FrankieBones1]

IF Tommy is the one giving all this information, then IMO the cell door barely closed behind him before he started talking.

True. I suppose that's all it takes with some folks.

[HouseOfClark]

Apparently LE feels there is evidence that she is here.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5253240.php

If that area is known as a "party" location, wonder if there were any "party-ers" there the night of 2/9?

[FrankieBones1]

I found Ronald's comment to the reporter interesting (although we didn't hear it come from him). He said that LE wouldn't be contacting him first necessarily.

I take that to mean that the first person they would go to is the perp and then after the suspect is taken in, they will then call Ronald. For obvious reasons, in my opinion.

[*Pia]

For Haleigh and her family...:rose:

[FrankieBones1]

If that area is known as a "party" location, wonder if there were any "party-ers" there the night of 2/9?

I just had a horrible thought. A drowning accident....

[HouseOfClark]

I found Ronald's comment to the reporter interesting (although we didn't hear it come from him). He said that LE wouldn't be contacting him first necessarily.

I take that to mean that the first person they would go to is the perp and then after the suspect is taken in, they will then call Ronald. For obvious reasons, in my opinion.

Unless the perp lives in the same house?

I mean, that would give her a definite heads up that LE was on the way, don't you think?

[FrankieBones1]

I'm not sure if this TJ Hart person is credible or not and if this is a credible radio news site or not so read with caution.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5253240.php

[panache]

From day one, I have always thought that Haleigh was put in water. There just wasn't enough time that night for anyone to do any major concealment. Water was the easy way out.

I'm wondering if the evidence found could be a cinder block. It has to be something substaincial that would survive 7 mos of being submerged.

moo

[HouseOfClark]

I just had a horrible thought. A drowning accident....

That happened earlier than the 10 p.m. time? Or shortly after 7 p.m.?

[Survivor]

I just had a horrible thought. A drowning accident....

I honestly can't see a 7 month cover up if she accidentally drowned:confused: . Who really knows with this gang. Answers will be coming forth soon I pray.:unsure:

:thumbup: Mornin fellow Canuck! Thanks for the fresh start.

[Survivor]

From day one, I have always thought that Haleigh was put in water. There just wasn't enough time that night for anyone to do any major concealment. Water was the easy way out.

I'm wondering if the evidence found could be a cinder block. It has to be something substaincial that would survive 7 mos of being submerged.

moo

Yes, maybe a cinder block matching the one holding open the screen door:ohmy:

[HouseOfClark]

From day one, I have always thought that Haleigh was put in water. There just wasn't enough time that night for anyone to do any major concealment. Water was the easy way out.

I'm wondering if the evidence found could be a cinder block. It has to be something substaincial that would survive 7 mos of being submerged.

moo

Could be. The only problem with that is everybody has cinder blocks, how can it be matched to Haleigh?

How about the missing item that TN alluded to?

ETA: Even more disturbing, how about the little necklace with "Haleigh" on it?

[Survivor]

Could be. The only problem with that is everybody has cinder blocks, how can it be matched to Haleigh?

How about the missing item that TN alluded to?

Who would have thought that black garbage bags could be matched to a crime scene? re: Melanie MGuire and Casey A.?

[?noanswer]

I have read several links to news articles and I can't remember which one, but I think I remember one that said the evidence they found did not connect to Haleigh. One also said they found a car. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Who would have thought that black garbage bags could be matched to a crime scene? re: Melanie MGuire and Casey A.?

True, but that was after testing. I don't think cinder blocks can be definitely matched just by sight.

Unless it was broken and they found the other half?

I can't believe they are holding this info from us! The nerve! :laugh:

[panache]

Looking at these men and women trudging through water up to their neck, confirms to me that LE thinks they have found where Haleigh was put.


http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn

[Texas48]

Here is a link to a search and reports of what family members have been saying including Annette and Ronald.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1268192127
Good Morning *sis*..
Thank you again for a new thread for a new day...and thanks as always..for the link and for sharing.
as ?noanswer always says....all of us *die-hards* are here one more day for little HaLeigh Marie Cummings.
:wub:

[Texas48]

I found Ronald's comment to the reporter interesting (although we didn't hear it come from him). He said that LE wouldn't be contacting him first necessarily.

I take that to mean that the first person they would go to is the perp and then after the suspect is taken in, they will then call Ronald. For obvious reasons, in my opinion.Red By Me
That was my first thought Franki..and I can certainly understand why..

[Katt2]

I just had a horrible thought. A drowning accident....

I have wondered more than once that Misti was out and had the door propped open and Haleigh woke up and went looking for Misti and accidentally fell in that river in the dark. Probably not the same thing you might mean by accident. But I suppose this doesn't hold much merit as they said she was afraid of the dark.

[panache]

If Haleigh is deceased, I do hope they have found her. I just keep hoping she will be found alive. JMO

Chaces are slim for that to be the case now. LE is spending a lotof time and money to drain this pond.

moo

[HouseOfClark]

I have wondered more than once that Misti was out and had the door propped open and Haleigh woke up and went looking for Misti and accidentally fell in that river in the dark. Probably not the same thing you might mean by accident. But I suppose this doesn't hold much merit as they said she was afraid of the dark.

"They said" she was afraid of the dark. I don't discount anything a five year old may or may not do. That was one of my original theories.

JMO

[KatieLady]

Nothing new from last night? *sigh*

[panache]

Just my musing, I have to wonder if Misty regrets the TRO against Tommy now and throwing down the gauntlet. If that incident had never happened, what is going on today would not be. We would still be wondering...........


moo

[2boysMom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/19/lake_drained_to_look_for_haleigh.html

I woke to the devastating news that they are searching for HaLeigh's body in a pond. Then I read this article and I'm hoping that she may still be found alive. Still praying for you Haleigh.

[panache]

The Mondex Area Is Noterious As a Big Party Area.



http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt

[KatieLady]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/19/lake_drained_to_look_for_haleigh.html

I woke to the devastating news that they are searching for HaLeigh's body in a pond. Then I read this article and I'm hoping that she may still be found alive. Still praying for you Haleigh.

Morning 2BM,

Don't think I have ever heard of an entire pond being drained to look for stolen property IMO

[panache]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/19/lake_drained_to_look_for_haleigh.html

I woke to the devastating news that they are searching for HaLeigh's body in a pond. Then I read this article and I'm hoping that she may still be found alive. Still praying for you Haleigh.

I'm afraid your being too optimistic.

From your link even the family feels this is related to Haleigh's disappearance.


Local newspapers and television stations in the area reported both law enforcement and Haleigh’s family had said the diving and draining of the pond was related to the girl’s disappearance


moo

[2boysMom]

Morning 2BM,

Don't think I have ever heard of an entire pond being drained to look for stolen property IMO

That was my first thought. Why would LE deny that they are searching for HaLeigh, though? All of this has me befuddled and very upset this am.

Good morning Katie and all.

[jakee]

Morning 2BM,

Don't think I have ever heard of an entire pond being drained to look for stolen property IMO

Good morning all,

I was just going to ask the same thing. Is it normal to drain a whole pond to look for stolen property? Seems like it would be an expensive undertaking, but I guess it depends on what the stolen property is? :confused:

[KatieLady]

That was my first thought. Why would LE deny that they are searching for HaLeigh, though? All of this has me befuddled and very upset this am.

Good morning Katie and all.

Don't know why they are denying it.....but other papers I am reading this morning are reporting it as fact that they are looking for Haleigh.

I can't find one that LE says it straight out tho

[KatieLady]

How far away is the pond (that they are draining) from HaLeigh's home where she went missing?

I am not sure...all I have read is "not far" You might want to check the end of last nights thread....I think this was talked about there.

[HouseOfClark]

Just my musing, I have to wonder if Misty regrets the TRO against Tommy now and throwing down the gauntlet. If that incident had never happened, what is going on today would not be. We would still be wondering...........


moo

She's like a lot of vindictive people in that way. She has to "one up" the situation by continuing to point at other people and away from herself.

She escalated this when she got the permanent RO. An escalation which I believe will prove to be her un-doing.

(Of course, I believe that she was the one who told LE about Mr. Martin and the stolen gun. The timing of these events - the fight, the TRO, the rodent in the mailbox, the stolen/returned gun, the permanent RO, the arrest of Tommy on the month old gun theft/return - all escalating steps that should not go unnoticed. And timing, I believe, is everything. IMO.)

Again, JMO.

[W_D_1]

She's like a lot of vindictive people in that way. She has to "one up" the situation by continuing to point at other people and away from herself.

She escalated this when she got the permanent RO. An escalation which I believe will prove to be her un-doing.

(Of course, I believe that she was the one who told LE about Mr. Martin and the stolen gun. The timing of these events - the fight, the TRO, the rodent in the mailbox, the stolen/returned gun, the permanent RO, the arrest of Tommy on the month old gun theft/return - all escalating steps that should not go unnoticed. And timing, I believe, is everything. IMO.)

Again, JMO.



Chelsea was questioned last week. Mr Martin called Chelsea to have her tell Tommy and Lisa to return the gun. IMO it's more likely Timmy or Chelsea told the police about the gun.

[2boysMom]

Morning my fellow long time posters. Yes, most disturbing of all, that RC and MC on tape tried very hard to let everyone know, they had never seen those cinder blocks before, dint know anything bout them there blocks. (seriously)

Big Mistake. I'm a firm believer in your words will always hang you up; here we go. If she is found pinned down by cinder blocks, god (or whoever) help MC RC and their ilk.

Bugging Out


Ron and Crystal have been cleared. Ron was at work. Could the cinder blocks have been brought over from elsewhere by those wanting to hide a body?

[W_D_1]

Authorities say Haleigh was last seen by neighbors about 8 p.m. on Feb. 9. She was reported missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10 by Misty Croslin, her babysitter and then girlfriend to Haleigh�s father, Ronald Cummings. He was working a late shift at PDM Bridge, an industrial firm in Palatka.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn


We are finally seeing a time mentioned for when the neighbor saw Haleigh.

[KatieLady]

Authorities say Haleigh was last seen by neighbors about 8 p.m. on Feb. 9. She was reported missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10 by Misty Croslin, her babysitter and then girlfriend to Haleigh�s father, Ronald Cummings. He was working a late shift at PDM Bridge, an industrial firm in Palatka.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn


We are finally seeing a time mentioned for when the neighbor saw Haleigh.

Why is this time only coming out now?????

[W_D_1]

Why is this time only coming out now?????


I don't know but if true it points out another of Misty's lies. She claimed she put Haleigh to bed at 8pm.

[Pat]

Why is this time only coming out now?????

It isn't. Very early on it was reported neighbors had seen HaLeigh that evening. There were posters who were so convinced Ron had harmed HaLeigh and disposed of her before going to work these reports were completely ignored.

[willow]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/19/lake_drained_to_look_for_haleigh.html

I woke to the devastating news that they are searching for HaLeigh's body in a pond. Then I read this article and I'm hoping that she may still be found alive. Still praying for you Haleigh.

This article has me confused because since last night I have been reading that this search is about Haleigh....so, after this article - what does everyone think?

The family needs to know if this search is for Haleigh or not in my opinion. It is NOT fair to the family, IF this search really has nothing to do with Haleigh.

P.S. Thanks to everyone for providing links about Haleigh.

[W_D_1]

It isn't. Very early on it was reported neighbors had seen HaLeigh that evening. There were posters who were so convinced Ron had harmed HaLeigh and disposed of her before going to work these reports were completely ignored.



We knew, well some of us knew, that a neighbor had seen her but not the time, just that it was after Ron left for work.

[Pat]

If they do find cinderblocks, it could be the one was left to keep the door open and Misty didn't get back in time to move it.

I wonder, though, where Jr. was all this time. It seems hard to believe he would have slept through it all.

[HouseOfClark]

Chelsea was questioned last week. Mr Martin called Chelsea to have her tell Tommy and Lisa to return the gun. IMO it's more likely Timmy or Chelsea told the police about the gun.

Whoever told them told them between 8/20 and 8/25 (when LE first went to Mr. Martin).

I don't think it was Chelsea. As far as I know, she had no axe to grind with Tommy.

Misty, on the other hand, needed something to help make her Temporary RO a permanent one. What better way than to say Tommy had a stolen gun and she was afraid he would use that gun on her? Especially since not being in possession of firearms was part of the permanent RO? Is that standard procedure with a restraining order with no felony convictions?

Again, JMO.

[IRONSIDE 2]

Someone asked how near is this pond to Haleighs home. I read it is a 35 minute drive, too far for a little girl to walk I would have thought.

[HouseOfClark]

Authorities say Haleigh was last seen by neighbors about 8 p.m. on Feb. 9. She was reported missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10 by Misty Croslin, her babysitter and then girlfriend to Haleigh�s father, Ronald Cummings. He was working a late shift at PDM Bridge, an industrial firm in Palatka.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn


We are finally seeing a time mentioned for when the neighbor saw Haleigh.

Or another media screw up?

[Texas48]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/19/lake_drained_to_look_for_haleigh.html

I woke to the devastating news that they are searching for HaLeigh's body in a pond. Then I read this article and I'm hoping that she may still be found alive. Still praying for you Haleigh. Red By Me
as many of us are...Hold onto that HOPE..

[Pat]

We knew, well some of us knew, that a neighbor had seen her but not the time, just that it was after Ron left for work.

I've looked for the old link and can't find it, but it said a neighbor had seen HaLeigh in the evening. I'm in NW Florida, and personally, I thought the evenings were rather cold for the children to be eating and playing outdoors after dark (the children eating on the screened porch). But maybe it was a little warmer there, and it would depend on whether or not the porch faced SW. Mine faces SE and I wouldn't feed my GD out there in early February because it is too chilly. MO

[willow]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/19/lake_drained_to_look_for_haleigh.html

I woke to the devastating news that they are searching for HaLeigh's body in a pond. Then I read this article and I'm hoping that she may still be found alive. Still praying for you Haleigh.

I just commented on this article, but then I go back and read over a few links and watch the video that panache posted and in my mind the above article is wrong. I do not see something like this happening over stolen property..does anyone else?

I know this video makes me feel sad because I do feel like they are looking for Haleigh.

Also, this looks larger then a pond to me, but are they alligators in that pond? I would think so but I am not sure.

I hope the link works below - first posted by panache on todays thread.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn

[W_D_1]

Or another media screw up?


Or another Misty lie.

[Texas48]

If they do find cinderblocks, it could be the one was left to keep the door open and Misty didn't get back in time to move it.

I wonder, though, where Jr. was all this time. It seems hard to believe he would have slept through it all.
Something confusing about the theory of Misty using the cinder block to keep the door open...IF she went out that night why not just use the front door instead of the laundry room door? :confused:

[KittyMom]

Here's hoping that Haleigh is found soon.

[KittyMom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-investigation-091909,0,2354838.story

Putnam County officials deny pond search connected to Haleigh Cummings investigation

Putnam County deputies are denying that their draining of a pond not far from the home of Haleigh Cummings is related to the search for the missing 6-year-old, according to a report by Central Florida News 13.

Dive teams have been searching a pond northwest of Satsuma since Thursday.

[willow]

The Mondex Area Is Noterious As a Big Party Area.



http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt

Does anyone know how far this is from the mobile home that Haleigh lived in?

How far by walking?

How far by driving?

[KatieLady]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145240&catid=3


Video of search not sure if we have this.

If they aren't looking for Haleigh...why would they not say so to GS??? Seems really cruel if that is the case IMO

[W_D_1]

Does anyone know how far this is from the mobile home that Haleigh lived in?

How far by walking?

How far by driving?


Approx 35 miles by car. It's across the St John's river so you either go by boat or car but from the google map last night there is land between the river and the pond so a boat won't get someone right there.

[Pat]

Something confusing about the theory of Misty using the cinder block to keep the door open...IF she went out that night why not just use the front door instead of the laundry room door? :confused:

I've never understood that myself, unless the front of the trailer was far more visible. That's why I believed it was a SO early on.

[HouseOfClark]

Or another Misty lie.

Both are in abundance, that's for sure!

[panache]

Someone asked how near is this pond to Haleighs home. I read it is a 35 minute drive, too far for a little girl to walk I would have thought.

Yes I read that also...But a few minutes by boat.

This is interesting...More than PCLE is involved in the search. They are not looking for stolen goods imo.


http://www.staugustine.com/stories/091909/news_091909_020.shtml

[?noanswer]

That was my first thought. Why would LE deny that they are searching for HaLeigh, though? All of this has me befuddled and very upset this am.

Good morning Katie and all.

IIRC, in the Casey Anthony case, LE searched a body of water and claimed it was a training exercise. JMO

[KatieLady]

Yes I read that also...But a few minutes by boat.

This is interesting...More than PCLE is involved in the search. They are not looking for stolen goods imo.


http://www.staugustine.com/stories/091909/news_091909_020.shtml

Nope...and neither is it a training exercise IMO

[Politigal]

*If* they are dredging the pond looking for Haleigh's remains....

I've been trying to study decomposition of remains found in water --

and I know this is a morbid topic but if Haleigh was simply disposed of in the pond, she would have floated to the top.

However, if she was weighted down, that may be why it's necessary to dredge the pond.

I haven't found a lot of studies online but I'm curious what the rate of decomp would be if she was enclosed in something (like a trash bag or tote) and weighted underwater.

I just pray if they do find her, that's there's enough left to make a determination of cause of death, etc.

I know in the Caylee Anthony case her remains were most likely underwater for a time, but then the water receded, and decomp would have accellerated at that point.

[Dunlurken]

IIRC, in the Casey Anthony case, LE searched a body of water and claimed it was a training exercise. JMO

And Caylee was not in that body of water. She was very close to home. I think that is where we will be going with this case as well. Close to home. JMO.

[?noanswer]

If they do find cinderblocks, it could be the one was left to keep the door open and Misty didn't get back in time to move it.

I wonder, though, where Jr. was all this time. It seems hard to believe he would have slept through it all.

That's what I would like to know - what JR told the first people that interviewed him.

Also, some of these media reports could have some details incorrect. Would not be the first time.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

*If* they are dredging the pond looking for Haleigh's remains....

I've been trying to study decomposition of remains found in water --

and I know this is a morbid topic but if Haleigh was simply disposed of in the pond, she would have floated to the top.

However, if she was weighted down, that may be why it's necessary to dredge the pond.

I haven't found a lot of studies online but I'm curious what the rate of decomp would be if she was enclosed in something (like a trash bag or tote) and weighted underwater.

I just pray if they do find her, that's there's enough left to make a determination of cause of death, etc.

I know in the Caylee Anthony case her remains were most likely underwater for a time, but then the water receded, and decomp would have accellerated at that point.
Laci and Conner were weighted down in the San Francisco Bay. decomp eventually made them float up. Florida is not the San Francisco Bay.

My point being this. Laci was in the water for 4 months. Not enough left of either of them to determine a COD. Haleigh has been missing for 7 months. JMO.

[elle2]

Both are in abundance, that's for sure!

I wonder if the reporter is confusing the neighbor sighting w/ Annette coming by, though I thought she was said to have come by at 7/7:30? IDK...The only time I have heard 8 was Misty stating over and over that she put her to bed at 8 cuz 8 is her bedtime cuz she has school. It will be interesting if the neighbor did see her outside at 8, I would imagine it was pretty dark at that time though I don't know what they had for outdoor lighting.

imoo

[?noanswer]

*If* they are dredging the pond looking for Haleigh's remains....

I've been trying to study decomposition of remains found in water --

and I know this is a morbid topic but if Haleigh was simply disposed of in the pond, she would have floated to the top.

However, if she was weighted down, that may be why it's necessary to dredge the pond.

I haven't found a lot of studies online but I'm curious what the rate of decomp would be if she was enclosed in something (like a trash bag or tote) and weighted underwater.

I just pray if they do find her, that's there's enough left to make a determination of cause of death, etc.

I know in the Caylee Anthony case her remains were most likely underwater for a time, but then the water receded, and decomp would have accellerated at that point.

If the body is secured and no water gets to it and the water temperature remains low, I think that will help preserve remains. For how long, I don't know. JMO

[Themis]

Authorities say Haleigh was last seen by neighbors about 8 p.m. on Feb. 9. She was reported missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10 by Misty Croslin, her babysitter and then girlfriend to Haleigh�s father, Ronald Cummings. He was working a late shift at PDM Bridge, an industrial firm in Palatka.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn


We are finally seeing a time mentioned for when the neighbor saw Haleigh.
Reference: Post #45

The text you bolded is very interesting, W_D_1. So, I did some googling and learned that at 8:00 P.M. on February 09, 09:

The temperature for Palatka, the nearest weather station reporting I could find, was: 64° and Calm

End Civil Twilight: 6:36 P.M. (by 8:00 PM it would be full dark, except for the full moon that night)

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=MAR990&month=2&day=9&year=2009

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_pap.pl

Unnessary data though because, after all, they were in bed at 8:00 PM according to Misty. [JMO * Themis]

[panache]

Have any of you read TJH this am? Interesting, he claims the tip did not come from Tommy.

[mitzi]

That is true, they did take a car out of the area on a flatbed. But later media reports did say they have found *evidence*. I believe they have or they wouldn't be spending the time and resources to drain that pond this weekend.

BTW, a local who was on the scene last night has reported that she stopped at the Kangeroo, and two young men claimed they saw something being removed from the pond that was caught up into car part. She is a very credible source and is on her way back there this am. Everything she posted last night was on the money!!

moo

Can someone point me to this post from a local last night please? I had searched and can't find it.

TIA

[Politigal]

Laci and Conner were weighted down in the San Francisco Bay. decomp eventually made them float up. Florida is not the San Francisco Bay.

My point being this. Laci was in the water for 4 months. Not enough left of either of them to determine a COD. Haleigh has been missing for 7 months. JMO.

Obviously there was a current in the bay which contributed to that. But Laci was not enclosed in something. That's why I was wondering about possibly being inside a tote/underwater and in a small pond (as opposed to the ocean.)

[willow]

Authorities say Haleigh was last seen by neighbors about 8 p.m. on Feb. 9.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn


We are finally seeing a time mentioned for when the neighbor saw Haleigh.

snipped for space

Could this be a misprint ? I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be dark at 8:00 p.m.?

Of course, I realize kids play outside after dark but I do believe Haleigh was afraid of the dark so this seems odd to me.

[?noanswer]

Have any of you read TJH this am? Interesting, he claims the tip did not come from Tommy.

"Some info was gleaned from a letter from an inmate in another state." Wonder if the letter was sent to LE or if someone turned it over to LE. JMO

[panache]

"Some info was gleaned from a letter from an inmate in another state." Wonder if the letter was sent to LE or if someone turned it over to LE. JMO

Yes, that's what I was posting about. It can't be Jerome because he still is in St. John's I believe.

[elle2]

Morning my fellow long time posters. Yes, most disturbing of all, that RC and MC on tape tried very hard to let everyone know, they had never seen those cinder blocks before, dint know anything bout them there blocks. (seriously)

Big Mistake. I'm a firm believer in your words will always hang you up; here we go. If she is found pinned down by cinder blocks, god (or whoever) help MC RC and their ilk.

Bugging Out

this is the only thing I remember Ron saying about the cinderblock...imo it does not seem like he was going out of his way but answering a direct question. He hasn't been there long, maybe the previous renters had some, maybe he has seen them but didn't take special note of them, all he knows for sure is that he has never seen them where they are at now (outside the back door) imoo

GRACE: Do you know where the cinderblock came from that was propping the door open?

CUMMINGS: Don`t have a clue. I don`t mess with none of that, so I don`t know. I very rarely am in the back yard at all unless I`m washing my car. So it could have came from around my shed. I`m renting. I don`t know if the previous renters had it or what, but I`ve never seen it, I don`t believe.

GRACE: So to your knowledge, you`ve never seen it?

CUMMINGS: Not that I believe. I mean, I may be mistaken and have seen it before, but I know it wasn`t where it`s at now.

[panman]

Poor Haleigh, I don't feel she had a chance at a proper life under those living conditions. Not even her own room.

What living conditions are you referring to? And Haleigh did have her own room, IIRC.

Bugged by these people in this case!!

snipped per CW

Blue by me

As for Crystal, when are some going to quit enabling and making excuses for her?
jmo

[Dunlurken]

Obviously there was a current in the bay which contributed to that. But Laci was not enclosed in something. That's why I was wondering about possibly being inside a tote/underwater and in a small pond (as opposed to the ocean.)

Why would anyone travel 35 miles to dispose of a body, when there is a river close by? I'm trying to follow you guys, but it's not making sense.

So Misty drove 35 miles to dispose of Haleigh? :confused: Which car would she have used.... the van?

[panache]

Can someone point me to this post from a local last night please? I had searched and can't find it.

TIA

Its not here, its on another board we are not allowed to link to.

[HouseOfClark]

snipped per CW

Blue by me

As for Crystal, when are some going to quit enabling and making excuses for her?
jmo

What do you think about the draining and search of the pond?

[panman]

I know this video makes me feel sad because I do feel like they are looking for Haleigh.



snipped per CW

Would you rather they not search?

What do you think happened to Haleigh, willow?

[Justice4all]

Its not here, its on another board we are not allowed to link to.

How do we know they are really locals?

[W_D_1]

snipped for space

Could this be a misprint ? I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be dark at 8:00 p.m.?

Of course, I realize kids play outside after dark but I do believe Haleigh was afraid of the dark so this seems odd to me.



It could be a misprint or it's possible that after eating dinner the kids stayed out on the porch for awhile and a neighbor saw them playing there around 8pm.

[Themis]

this is the only thing I remember Ron saying about the cinderblock...imo it does not seem like he was going out of his way but answering a direct question. He hasn't been there long, maybe the previous renters had some, maybe he has seen them but didn't take special note of them, all he knows for sure is that he has never seen them where they are at now (outside the back door) imoo

GRACE: Do you know where the cinderblock came from that was propping the door open?

CUMMINGS: Don`t have a clue. I don`t mess with none of that, so I don`t know. I very rarely am in the back yard at all unless I`m washing my car. So it could have came from around my shed. I`m renting. I don`t know if the previous renters had it or what, but I`ve never seen it, I don`t believe.

GRACE: So to your knowledge, you`ve never seen it?

CUMMINGS: Not that I believe. I mean, I may be mistaken and have seen it before, but I know it wasn`t where it`s at now.
RC used 84 words to basically say: "I don't know.":wink:

[mitzi]

Its not here, its on another board we are not allowed to link to.

I'm sorry. I just assumed it was here.

Thank you

[panman]

Does anyone know how far this is from the mobile home that Haleigh lived in?

How far by walking?

How far by driving?

If you read the above posts, I am sure you will find your answers.
jmo

[elle2]

RC used 84 words to basically say: "I don't know.":wink:

Yeah, that is alot of words.

[teresa]

Yes, that's what I was posting about. It can't be Jerome because he still is in St. John's I believe.

Yeah, and the court site for Tennessee shows nothing on Cousin Joe so I don't know who it could be. He's the only out of state person we've heard about, right?

[Dunlurken]

It could be a misprint or it's possible that after eating dinner the kids stayed out on the porch for awhile and a neighbor saw them playing there around 8pm.

My grand daughter's bed time is 8:00 p.m. She rarely makes it, so it's entirely possible the neighbor saw Haleigh at 8:00 and Misty said come in, it's time for bed. We cannot count on the "exact" timing of much at this point. JMO. 7:30/8:00? It's a wash.

[panache]

Does anyone know how far this is from the mobile home that Haleigh lived in?

How far by walking?

How far by driving?

I saw posted last night that its 2 1/2 miles from Green Ln. But don't take it to the bank yet, I'll have to go back and search. It should show you on the Google maps that have been posted though.

moo

[panman]

Its not here, its on another board we are not allowed to link to.

So it shouldn't have been posted without a link?

[panache]

Yeah, and the court site for Tennessee shows nothing on Cousin Joe so I don't know who it could be. He's the only out of state person we've heard about, right?

AFAIK Teresa, Joe did his time for that robbery and is released. Can't say for sure, as I stopped looking at him as a suspect when LE cleared him

[Dunlurken]

I saw posted last night that its 2 1/2 miles from Green Ln. But don't take it to the bank yet, I'll have to go back and search. It should show you on the Google maps that have been posted though.

moo

The pond/lake is 35 miles away from the trailer. JMO. I was reading up thread and that's what a news article reported.

[Justice4all]

Well today i just don't feel like they have really found any evidence in the case and i don't think Haleigh's there. but i'm glad they are searching it.

[panman]

What do you think about the draining and search of the pond?

IMO, someone led them there, and rightfully should be searched.

Do you agree with the enabling and excuses made for Crystal?

[Lqqkout]

snipped for space

Could this be a misprint ? I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be dark at 8:00 p.m.?

Of course, I realize kids play outside after dark but I do believe Haleigh was afraid of the dark so this seems odd to me.

It's either a misprint or there is a witness.

[panache]

What do you think about the draining and search of the pond?

Check your mail...2 pm's, second one of utmost importance.

[Lqqkout]

AFAIK Teresa, Joe did his time for that robbery and is released. Can't say for sure, as I stopped looking at him as a suspect when LE cleared him

They re interviewed Joe a few days ago. I don't believe he is incarcerated at this time.

[Dunlurken]

Approx 35 miles by car. It's across the St John's river so you either go by boat or car but from the google map last night there is land between the river and the pond so a boat won't get someone right there.

I thought I read a link that said this. Do you have a link? TIA.

[W_D_1]

I thought I read a link that said this. Do you have a link? TIA.




the 35 miles is at the bottom of one of last's nights articles. Lynn bolded and posted it. The google map was posted last night also. It's on one of the last couple of pages.

[Lqqkout]

Well today i just don't feel like they have really found any evidence in the case and i don't think Haleigh's there. but i'm glad they are searching it.

I don't think Haleigh is there, either. I was sure she would have been found by now if she is in that water. I hate to ask this, but are there alligators in there?

[?noanswer]

Yeah, and the court site for Tennessee shows nothing on Cousin Joe so I don't know who it could be. He's the only out of state person we've heard about, right?

Amber Brooks mother is out of state, but I don't know if she is in jail. There was a warrant (http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearchout) for a BROOKS,LISA ANN, don't know if that is her or if she has been arrested yet. JMO

[Dunlurken]

the 35 miles is at the bottom of one of last's nights articles. Lynn bolded and posted it. The google map was posted last night also. It's on one of the last couple of pages.Thank you, I believe you, just wanted to clarify since some were saying 2 and 1/2 miles away, etc. The articles I read said NW of Satsuma.
JMO.

[W_D_1]

Amber Brooks mother is out of state, but I don't know if she is in jail. There was a warrant (http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearchout) for a BROOKS,LISA ANN, don't know if that is her or if she has been arrested yet. JMO


IMO if she was arrested in another state she would have been returned to Florida.

[panache]

The pond/lake is 35 miles away from the trailer. JMO. I was reading up thread and that's what a news article reported.

Try doing a google search of the Green Ln vis a vis the pond site.


This gives a reference location for the pond being searched to 202 Green Drive. It is 2 and 1/2 miles northwest of the residence.

moo

[Dunlurken]

I don't think Haleigh is there, either. I was sure she would have been found by now if she is in that water. I hate to ask this, but are there alligators in there?

Florida? There's one strip of road called Alligator Alley. Granted it's south, but yes, there are gators in Fla. JMO.

[?noanswer]

Well today i just don't feel like they have really found any evidence in the case and i don't think Haleigh's there. but i'm glad they are searching it.

I am beginning to think that also. Wonder what stolen property they are looking for. Must be expensive to spend that much money on a search. When I think expensive I'm thinking of something big like construction equipment, but then I think that could be found by divers or other kind of equipment like side sonar radar?. JMO

[Justice4all]

Authorities say Haleigh was last seen by neighbors about 8 p.m. on Feb. 9. She was reported missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 10 by Misty Croslin, her babysitter and then girlfriend to Haleigh�s father, Ronald Cummings. He was working a late shift at PDM Bridge, an industrial firm in Palatka.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tn


We are finally seeing a time mentioned for when the neighbor saw Haleigh.

well that fits what Marie said.she said early on in the case all they knew was a neighbor saw haleigh outside playing.

[W_D_1]

Thank you, I believe you, just wanted to clarify since some were saying 2 and 1/2 miles away, etc. The articles I read said NW of Satsuma.
JMO.


Both are right. It's 35 miles by car but if one goes across the river it's closer. The problem with going by boat is that there is a piece of land between the river and pond so once the boat hit land there would be a walk or some form of transportation would be needed.

[HouseOfClark]

Check your mail...2 pm's, second one of utmost importance.

Got it, thanks!

[?noanswer]

I don't understand why all of those men are standing IN THE POND...??

They're draining it, why stand in it unless it is where they think the 'evidence' is located..??

Could they be trying to prevent said 'evidence' from being sucked up and out?

Just confusing to my feeble brain this morning.

I was looking at the drain tubing. It looks like it is at least 12" in diameter. I think small bones would go right out with the water. Didn't look like there was anything to catch small items. JMO

[Justice4all]

Try doing a google search of the Green Ln vis a vis the pond site.


This gives a reference location for the pond being searched to 202 Green Drive. It is 2 and 1/2 miles northwest of the residence.

moo

that's by boat. right?

[Justice4all]

I see marie is praying a lot today. I feel so sorry for her. They are all in my thoughts and prayers today

[W_D_1]

well that fits what Marie said.she said early on in the case all they knew was a neighbor saw haleigh outside playing.



Schauland and Marie both said early on that a neighbor saw Haleigh.

[Dunlurken]

Both are right. It's 35 miles by car but if one goes across the river it's closer. The problem with going by boat is that there is a piece of land between the river and pond so once the boat hit land there would be a walk or some form of transportation would be needed.

Thank you.

[W_D_1]

I was looking at the drain tubing. It looks like it is at least 12" in diameter. I think small bones would go right out with the water. Didn't look like there was anything to catch small items. JMO



There may be some type of filter on the end of pipe that's in the water.

[Lqqkout]

Florida? There's one strip of road called Alligator Alley. Granted it's south, but yes, there are gators in Fla. JMO.

Gee, I wasn't asking about Florida.

[?noanswer]

There may be some type of filter on the end of pipe that's in the water.

One would hope so, but it didn't look like it to me. Also, they should have someone there observing it to see if it stops up. JMO

[?noanswer]

The palatkanews is definitely the one that described this area as a notorious party place know for sometimes large crowds. Perhaps what the youth call raves. Some article, that one or another, said that the area was full of discarded trash and junk. There is probably a lot of discarded junk and also tree limbs and roots on the bottom of that pond. If her remains are there, they are probably tangled up in it.
I think she is there or they would not be draining the pond.

I read about it being a party area, but I also read another article that said it was not easy access. Said had to make a road for some of the equipment. They sure are expending mucho bucks whatever they are looking for. JMO

[Dunlurken]

I'm curious of the river has currents meaning if the body was dumped close to the home, could it have gone "up river" so to speak, then turn around and come back and end up in the lake. Did that make sense?

[Justice4all]

I wonder where that red truck is today

[KatieLady]

Remember when LE drained that pond in the Natale Holloway case? It took days...and IMO it was much smaller than this one...

[panache]

It appears Krisitina Prevatt was one of those questioned this week according to this article.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21005898/detail.html

[Dunlurken]

The palatkanews is definitely the one that described this area as a notorious party place know for sometimes large crowds. Perhaps what the youth call raves. Some article, that one or another, said that the area was full of discarded trash and junk. There is probably a lot of discarded junk and also tree limbs and roots on the bottom of that pond. If her remains are there, they are probably tangled up in it.

I think she is there or they would not be draining the pond.I don't think she's there. They drained a pond in the Natalee Holloway case. Nothing found except a discarded fridge, etc.

However, if someone has "talked", it's a possibility they could fine something related to Haleigh. JMO.

[KatieLady]

It appears Krisitina Prevatt was one of those questioned this week according to this article.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21005898/detail.html

So, is this confirmation that this IS about Haliegh?

"It has been our position that we will not discuss operations or searches prior to their completion," Greenwood said.

Saturday's search is the result of one of more than 4,000 tips received in this case, Greenwood said.

Not in quotes tho....

[HouseOfClark]

It appears Krisitina Prevatt was one of those questioned this week according to this article.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21005898/detail.html



If she's still in jail, she's one of the 3 inmates that were questioned in recent days.

[Justice4all]

It appears Krisitina Prevatt was one of those questioned this week according to this article.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21005898/detail.html

Oh good ol' NayNay...Yep i figured she was one of the three questioned. I wonder if Amber was questioned.

[Viva4Haleigh]

The palatkanews is definitely the one that described this area as a notorious party place know for sometimes large crowds. Perhaps what the youth call raves. Some article, that one or another, said that the area was full of discarded trash and junk. There is probably a lot of discarded junk and also tree limbs and roots on the bottom of that pond. If her remains are there, they are probably tangled up in it.

I think she is there or they would not be draining the pond.

Raves are held indoors with lots of areas for cooling down and light shows and dancing- I am sure this area is a old fashioned bonfire party area-

[Justice4all]

If she's still in jail, she's one of the 3 inmates that were questioned in recent days.

Yes she's still in jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/history.aspx


What different last name?

[Dunlurken]

The pond described is called the L because it is shaped like the letter L. That pond is separated by land from the river.

So no currents that would have taken her there. Okay, got it. Thanks.

[KatieLady]

Raves are held indoors with lots of areas for cooling down and light shows and dancing- I am sure this area is a old fashioned bonfire party area-

You best let California know that because they are held outdoors here all the time

IMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

MArie says Misty may be in custody-

[HouseOfClark]

Yes she's still in jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/history.aspx


What different last name?

panache corrected and I edited at the same time.

[Viva4Haleigh]

You best let California know that because they are held outdoors here all the time

IMO

Ok Katie- because this is what really matters-

[elle2]

Yes she's still in jail

http://public.pcso.us/jail/history.aspx


What different last name?

scary booking photo imo

[Lqqkout]

It appears Krisitina Prevatt was one of those questioned this week according to this article.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21005898/detail.html

Kind of strange that LE threw her name out there. They've been so tight lipped, seems curious to me.

[KatieLady]

Ok Katie- because this is what really matters-

I just responded to your post about them :confused:

About what you posted about Misty....is Marie on Twitter...is that where you are seeing it?

[Dunlurken]

MArie says Misty may be in custody-

Do you have a link?

[Viva4Haleigh]

I just responded to your post about them :confused:

About what you posted about Misty....is Marie on Twitter...is that where you are seeing it?

Unconfirmed reports from blinkon crime? MArie is asking TJ for any confirmation- oh please let this be it!!!!!!!:crying:

Yes, MAries twitter-

[panache]

MArie says Misty may be in custody-

Yes, I've heard that too. Have you found Nejame's comment yet> I understand he spoke today.

moo

[KatieLady]

Unconfirmed reports from blinkon crime? MArie is asking TJ for any confirmation- oh please let this be it!!!!!!!:crying:

Yes, MAries twitter-


Thanks Viva!

[HouseOfClark]

MArie says Misty may be in custody-

I wonder if she was only brought in for questioning (as one of the 3 that was supposed to be questioned yesterday)?

IF she has been brought in that is.

[Dunlurken]

Unconfirmed reports from blinkon crime? MArie is asking TJ for any confirmation- oh please let this be it!!!!!!!:crying:

Yes, MAries twitter-

Keep us informed please. Misty needs to be in custody. JMO.

[Justice4all]

MArie says Misty may be in custody-

she's asking if it's true and she's getting her info from blink? WOW i won't even go there LOL

[Viva4Haleigh]

Thanks Viva!

Sorry, I wasnt trying to be a jerk with you about raves- I dont know anything about that stuff- I am getting too old, lol.

I am just a ball of nerves right now, I hope she is in custody-

[Justice4all]

I wonder if she was only brought in for questioning (as one of the 3 that was supposed to be questioned yesterday)?

IF she has been brought in that is.

wouldn't the media be all over that like white on rice?

[KatieLady]

Sorry, I wasnt trying to be a jerk with you about raves- I dont know anything about that stuff- I am getting too old, lol.

I am just a ball of nerves right now, I hope she is in custody-

It's ok...I understand. I think we all are and I agree....she needs to be in custody! IMO

[W_D_1]

wouldn't the media be all over that like white on rice?



You would think so but nothing on the searches has even made CNN, Fox or MSNBC

[Justice4all]

panache corrected and I edited at the same time.

Oh ok sorry for the confusion . I was thinking OMG did she get married in jail.

[Justice4all]

You would think so but nothing on the searches has even made CNN, Fox or MSNBC

It was on CNN and FOX about 5am my time this morning.

but i'm sure the LOCAL media would know if Misty were in custody.

[sydney]

hey, guys. don't post here much and haven't followed the case as closely as i had in the past, but, i only have one prayer:

please, Lord, no more poor dead children, BABIES, at the hands of the people who were in charge of their care, or at the hands of other people their caretakers had known. please, Dear Lord, no more!

dear Lord, bless Haleigh and keep her from all harm.

[W_D_1]

It was on CNN and FOX about 5am my time this morning.

but i'm sure the LOCAL media would know if Misty were in custody.



I've had CNN on for about 2 hours and nothing. And yes, you'd think local media would know. I'd bet they have a reporter camped out at the jail.

[Dunlurken]

I don't understand why people who lose children don't get arrested from the get-go. As Ron said, How'd you let someone steal my child.....

People need to be held accountable when they lose a child under suspicious circumstances, and this is certainly one. JMO. :cursing:

[Themis]

You would think so but nothing on the searches has even made CNN, Fox or MSNBC
I hear what you're saying but thinking back to yesterday, local news reporters said all direct access roads to the "L Pond" were blocked.
The media outlets depend heavily on visuals. Those visuals available yesterday were fairly boring - guys shoulder to shoulder walking slowly in the pond, and the pump transferring water from the pond to surrounding flat land.

Guess what I'm trying to say, in these economic times the big shot media networks who have to travel big distances to small burgs like Satsuma and Palatka aren't going to do much until something big is reported locally. [JMO * Themis]

[panache]

Keep us informed please. Misty needs to be in custody. JMO.

Yes, for her own protection, IMO.

[Themis]

she's asking if it's true and she's getting her info from blink? WOW i won't even go there LOL
That is pretty unbelievable, but then again ....

[panache]

I've had CNN on for about 2 hours and nothing. And yes, you'd think local media would know. I'd bet they have a reporter camped out at the jail.

Someone posted early this morning they heard it on CNN. :confused:

[?noanswer]

Does anyone think that LE might put Misty in protective custody if they indeed find Haleigh's body? They said one of the reasons they took RC into custody was because of his guns and concern for the LE officer.

How reliable is the blink on crime site? I have never followed it. JMO

[W_D_1]

Didn't look to me either there is any sort of screen.
Maybe on the part under the water, but how to keep it unclogged??

Hopefully someone is sifting through what gets pumped out..


Let's see if I can explain this without causing confusion.

They can put a screen over the end of the pipe and tie some type of mesh type bag around it. While the pump is sucking stuff will be drawn to the end of the pipe. Turn the pump off every so often and what is on the end will fall into the bag.

I'm not saying that is what they are doing but that is one way to keep it unclogged and collect anything that might get sucked up.

[Dunlurken]

Yes, for her own protection, IMO.

I have to agree with that one. JMO. Where is she living now? In the trailer?

[W_D_1]

Someone posted early this morning they heard it on CNN. :confused:



And I was just saying there has been nothing on it in the last couple of hours. Most people are sleeping at 5am on a Saturday and wouldn't see something on CNN.

[Dunlurken]

Does anyone think that LE might put Misty in protective custody if they indeed find Haleigh's body? They said one of the reasons they took RC into custody was because of his guns and concern for the LE officer.

How reliable is the blink on crime site? I have never followed it. JMO

Are you talking about Ron Cummings the father of Haleigh? Is he still in custody?

I guess the point is that people could be confusing a lot of stuff. You take someone in for questioning does not mean they are in custody. Hope that made sense. JMO.

[Mel]

MArie says Misty may be in custody-

:eek: i hope this is true!!!....just read that the search DID have something to do with Haleigh....someone gave SOME kind of info, to get LE out to this pond....this is GREAT news!!

[W_D_1]

Does anyone think that LE might put Misty in protective custody if they indeed find Haleigh's body? They said one of the reasons they took RC into custody was because of his guns and concern for the LE officer.

How reliable is the blink on crime site? I have never followed it. JMO



Not very reliable imo.

[W_D_1]

Well done! :thumbup:
That makes sense. Thank you W_D_1


Your welcome.

[Dunlurken]

Well done! :thumbup:
That makes sense. Thank you W_D_1

I was trying to quote an article, but having tool bar problems. The article said they were draining the pond/lake to make it easier for the divers to search. JMO. Not that they will drain it entirely.

[Justice4all]

That is pretty unbelievable, but then again ....

Pretty odd she gets her info from a blogger that is notorious for messing up facts. She said yesterday none of it was true and someone on here said Crystal went and got Jr last night so i have to wonder why Maries not enjoying her morning with her grandson :confused:

[Themis]

I think they also depend on their local affiliates. With all the conflicting reports yesterday and last night, they're probably waiting for confirmation.

MO
That's what I think too, Grace. They aren't going to commit the resources to send any big names there until there is something really solid to go with.

On the other hand, if Geraldo has nothing on his calendar for today ...

[W_D_1]

I was trying to quote an article, but having tool bar problems. The article said they were draining the pond/lake to make it easier for the divers to search. JMO. Not that they will drain it entirely.


Yes I know that. The discussion was about what possible evidence could be lost when the water was drained. The pipes they are using are large enough to allow small pieces of bone or other possible evidence through.

[Survivor]

Yes I know that. The discussion was about what possible evidence could be lost when the water was drained. The pipes they are using are large enough to allow small pieces of bone or other possible evidence through.

I would think that there would be some type of screening material over the end of the pipe :confused:

[Dunlurken]

Yes I know that. The discussion was about what possible evidence could be lost when the water was drained. The pipes they are using are large enough to allow small pieces of bone or other possible evidence through.

We're on the same page then.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Yes I know that. The discussion was about what possible evidence could be lost when the water was drained. The pipes they are using are large enough to allow small pieces of bone or other possible evidence through.

I am pretty sure the cops are smart enough to look at whats being filtered-:rolleyes:

[HouseOfClark]

Updated

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

Sheriff: Search Connected To Haleigh
Dive Teams Find Evidence In Pond Off U.S. 19 South Of Palatka

Saturday morning, the sheriff's office issued a statement saying Haleigh had not been found, but the search of the pond and surrounding woods off U.S. 19 south of Palatka has turned up evidence in the case.

"The current search is the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received in this case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood wrote. "The Putnam County Sheriff's (Office) has received information that there is possible physical evidence in the Haleigh Cummings investigation located in a body of water south of Palatka. Divers from the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, St. Johns County Sheriff's Office, and Clay County Sheriff's Office, are conducting underwater searches in this area. In an attempt to assist the divers, the decision has been made to lower the water level in the pond to reduce the search area."

[W_D_1]

I would think that there would be some type of screening material over the end of the pipe :confused:


I agree. That's what I was saying in the post Dunlurken quoted to talk about it not being drained all the way.

[Mel]

Does anyone think that LE might put Misty in protective custody if they indeed find Haleigh's body? They said one of the reasons they took RC into custody was because of his guns and concern for the LE officer.

How reliable is the blink on crime site? I have never followed it. JMO

i think she's reliable....maybe not always right, but she can get the 'inside' scoop, some of the time..

[Mel]

Updated

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

Sheriff: Search Connected To Haleigh
Dive Teams Find Evidence In Pond Off U.S. 19 South Of Palatka

right, they found some kind of evidence related to Haleigh...wonder what they found?...

[Dunlurken]

Updated

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

Sheriff: Search Connected To Haleigh
Dive Teams Find Evidence In Pond Off U.S. 19 South Of Palatka

Great link! Thank you. JMO.

[Themis]

I would think that there would be some type of screening material over the end of the pipe :confused:
It's been recently reported that this is not the first pond LE has searched (partially drained) in the case of Haleigh. I would hope they have the technical details down pat by now.

And, sadly, I'm sure this is not the first search for a drowning victim even in small Palatka County, population approximately 70,000. [JMO * Themis]

[Dunlurken]

right, they found some kind of evidence related to Haleigh...wonder what they found?...

The blanket?

[KatieLady]

right, they found some kind of evidence related to Haleigh...wonder what they found?...



Her clothes? Isn't there a necklace or earrings missing also?

This waiting is torture....I can only imagine how horrible it is for the family :sad:

[Mel]

Pretty odd she gets her info from a blogger that is notorious for messing up facts. She said yesterday none of it was true and someone on here said Crystal went and got Jr last night so i have to wonder why Maries not enjoying her morning with her grandson :confused:

i don't now how Marie could enjoy anything, at this time....i'm glad Crystal has Jr right now though:)

[Justice4all]

right, they found some kind of evidence related to Haleigh...wonder what they found?...

that article doesn't say they've found any evidence.....:confused:

[Dunlurken]

Quick thought though. Even if they find something related to Haleigh, it still won't show us what happened or who did it. Unless..... Tommy is saying this is where we went that night. JMO. With Haleigh in tow and jr.

[Mel]

Her clothes? Isn't there a necklace or earrings missing also?

This waiting is torture....I can only imagine how horrible it is for the family :sad:

oh, i didn't know anything about missing jewelry!!.....maybe it's a blanket, like Dun said...clothes would be my guess too...

[HouseOfClark]

Her clothes? Isn't there a necklace or earrings missing also?

This waiting is torture....I can only imagine how horrible it is for the family :sad:

I mentioned earlier her little "Haleigh" necklace that's seen in some of her photos. That would be something that wouldn't need to be confirmed by family as belonging to her, would it?


:sad:

[Justice4all]

i don't now how Marie could enjoy anything, at this time....i'm glad Crystal has Jr right now though:)

well I know i wouldn't be sitting around reading blogs. Specially blinks. I would TRY to spend some time with my grandson.

[Mel]

that article doesn't say they've found any evidence.....:confused:

then they've updated & changed the wording...an article i read, just before coming here, stated evidence related the Haleigh, was found ....

[KatieLady]

oh, i didn't know anything about missing jewelry!!.....maybe it's a blanket, like Dun said...clothes would be my guess too...

I'm sorry...I don't mean to confuse anyone. I just vaguely remember a convo about Haleigh and jewelery....early on.

The blanket makes more sense

[Mel]

well I know i wouldn't be sitting around reading blogs. Specially blinks. I would TRY to spend some time with my grandson.

well, you're not Marie...

[Mel]

I'm sorry...I don't mean to confuse anyone. I just vaguely remember a convo about Haleigh and jewelery....early on.

The blanket makes more sense

no, you didn't confuse me....it's possible a necklace of Haleigh's IS missing....i just hadn't heard it:)

[KatieLady]

then they've updated & changed the wording...an article i read, just before coming here, stated evidence related the Haleigh, was found ....

I saw it too. It now says

"The current search is the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received in this case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood wrote. "The Putnam County Sheriff's (Office) has received information that there is possible physical evidence in the Haleigh Cummings investigation located in a body of water south of Palatka.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

[Dunlurken]

I'm sorry...I don't mean to confuse anyone. I just vaguely remember a convo about Haleigh and jewelery....early on.

The blanket makes more sense

That blanket is bothering me for some reason. Smelled like pee and was being washed. But has it ever been seen since? Or Haleigh's pillow case?

I have a theory.... LOL. which is why the cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster. Haleigh was put there in a panic mode by Misty. She started calling "someone", I don't know who and said this happened what should I do. That someone went and helped her dispose of the body. JMO.

[Mel]

I am too, Mel.

Sorry for giving you the wrong info last night. There were so many conflicting reports, by the time it was confirmed that they were searching, you had gone to bed.

no problem, Grace:)

[Mel]

I saw it too. It now says

"The current search is the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received in this case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood wrote. "The Putnam County Sheriff's (Office) has received information that there is possible physical evidence in the Haleigh Cummings investigation located in a body of water south of Palatka.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

right...even HOC's title to the link stated the same thing...they've changed the wording, with an update...

[W_D_1]

I saw it too. It now says

"The current search is the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received in this case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood wrote. "The Putnam County Sheriff's (Office) has received information that there is possible physical evidence in the Haleigh Cummings investigation located in a body of water south of Palatka.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html



It was updated in the last 20 minutes. I wonder why they changed it.

POSTED: Saturday, September 19, 2009
UPDATED: 12:40 pm EDT September 19, 2009

[Justice4all]

well, you're not Marie...

TY ...:thumbsup:

[KatieLady]

It was updated in the last 20 minutes. I wonder why they changed it.

POSTED: Saturday, September 19, 2009
UPDATED: 12:40 pm EDT September 19, 2009

I have to assume that it either was wrong...or they can't confirm it???

[kelloggirl]

Updated

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

Sheriff: Search Connected To Haleigh
Dive Teams Find Evidence In Pond Off U.S. 19 South Of Palatka

I too, got really confused, because when I went to read the article two seconds ago, I couldn't find the paragraph that was quoted that says they did find evidence. Now it says this:

"Saturday morning, the sheriff's office issued a statement saying Haleigh had not been found, but they were searching the pond and surrounding woods off U.S. 19 south of Palatka for evidence in the case."

Obviously it's been updated/corrected, but did the reporter jump the gun, misinterpret what the sheriff's office said, or did someone change their mind in publicizing that evidence had been found?

It does seem odd that they would know right away if evidence was found that was connected to the case but wasn't Haleigh's body, it would have to be something very distinct.

Oh, and hello to all, I usually don't post here but always check for updates on little Haleigh.

[Dunlurken]

It was updated in the last 20 minutes. I wonder why they changed it.

POSTED: Saturday, September 19, 2009
UPDATED: 12:40 pm EDT September 19, 2009
Because it's breaking news I would guess.

[Justice4all]

then they've updated & changed the wording...an article i read, just before coming here, stated evidence related the Haleigh, was found ....

Probably found out the "evidence" wasn't linked to Haleigh


moo

[Mel]

I'm sure you're right.

After reading HOC's latest link, I'm not so sure they're looking for a body, but I could be wrong.

MO

why so, Grace?...i value your thoughts & opinions...

[W_D_1]

The nebulizer - hard plastic. See photo was on page 12 at Amanda's bucket, link in her user profile.

Imagine the divers down there in all that debris in the dark - what is big enough, would last, and could be seen with theri diving lights? :shrug:

Also, the reported evidence found could be something in the brush around there and not in the water? Like the missing blanket? RC would know what blanket was missing from his home, if he told LE.


We don't know that a blanket is missing. When Misty said what she did about it being in a van a crime scene van had been at the house. She could have been talking about it being taken as evidence.

[Mel]

The nebulizer - hard plastic. See photo was on page 12 at Amanda's bucket, link in her user profile.

Imagine the divers down there in all that debris in the dark - what is big enough, would last, and could be seen with theri diving lights? :shrug:

Also, the reported evidence found could be something in the brush around there and not in the water? Like the missing blanket? RC would know what blanket was missing from his home, if he told LE.

ooooh, good idea.....Amnda's bucket is GREAT!

& you're right...it could something found OUT of the water..interesting

[Politigal]

I saw it too. It now says

"The current search is the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received in this case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood wrote. "The Putnam County Sheriff's (Office) has received information that there is possible physical evidence in the Haleigh Cummings investigation located in a body of water south of Palatka.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

IMO, whatever tip/info they received on this particular pond must have been substantial for them to commit such manpower & equipment to search & dredge there.

[Dunlurken]

We don't know that a blanket is missing. When Misty said what she did about it being in a van a crime scene van had been at the house. She could have been talking about it being taken as evidence.

Misty said there were two blankets missing. Hers and Haleighs. Misty's is in the van, according to Misty. Don't have a link though. JMO.

[Justice4all]

The nebulizer - hard plastic. See photo was on page 12 at Amanda's bucket, link in her user profile.

Imagine the divers down there in all that debris in the dark - what is big enough, would last, and could be seen with theri diving lights? :shrug:

Also, the reported evidence found could be something in the brush around there and not in the water? Like the missing blanket? RC would know what blanket was missing from his home, if he told LE.

If haleigh was dead when she left the trailer why would they take the nebulizer?

[KatieLady]

IMO, whatever tip/info they received on this particular pond must have been substantial for them to commit such manpower & equipment to search & dredge there.

I agree Politigal....especially with money scarse for most Police Depts. these days

[Dunlurken]

We don't know that a blanket is missing. When Misty said what she did about it being in a van a crime scene van had been at the house. She could have been talking about it being taken as evidence.

I see your point. Thank you.

[5boxersmom]

If haleigh was dead when she left the trailer why would they take the nebulizer?

Hmmm. Good Question.

Maybe HaLeigh was hit with it? The one my son had was in a hard case.

jmo

[Mel]

someone said that they were listening to the police scanner, & heard LE dispatched to GGS....anyone know if this is true?

[W_D_1]

Misty said there were two blankets missing. Hers and Haleighs. Misty's is in the van, according to Misty. Don't have a link though. JMO.


No she didn't. She talked about her's being taken in a van.

[willow]

Approx 35 miles by car. It's across the St John's river so you either go by boat or car but from the google map last night there is land between the river and the pond so a boat won't get someone right there.

Thank you W D 1, for the help.

[Justice4all]

Marie says Misty has NOT been arrested.

[HouseOfClark]

I saw it too. It now says

"The current search is the result of one of the over 4,000 tips received in this case," Lt. Johnny Greenwood wrote. "The Putnam County Sheriff's (Office) has received information that there is possible physical evidence in the Haleigh Cummings investigation located in a body of water south of Palatka.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21005953/detail.html

They did change it. My earlier post included a quote that was taken directly from the article and it said they did find evidence.

[Justice4all]

Hmmm. Good Question.

Maybe HaLeigh was hit with it? The one my son had was in a hard case.

jmo

Oh maybe......I guess we'll have to wait and see. I doubt they will find anything there. MOO

[KatieLady]

Marie says Misty has NOT been arrested.

Just saw that....I suppose she could be with LE and not arrested???

[Dunlurken]

No she didn't. She talked about her's being taken in a van.

The Van with a scratch on it, or a police van? That's what we're trying to clear up.

And, where is Haleigh's blanket? Ron said they had no laundry detergent in the trailer and Misty claims to have been washing Haleigh's blanket.

[Themis]

You guys get great links and do excellent sleuthing on here I have to say!

Maybe the necklace or pieces of her clothing? Possible a stuffed toy or something of her belongings? Maybe a cinder block matching the one holding the screen door open? Maybe Tommy is talking? Something led the LE there. To be a fly on that wall.
I agree with you, Sunnydale -- something led LE to this particular pond, and they are using a lot of resources to search it. I know that we are all hopeful even though we are dreading it at the same time, if you know what I mean.

There are a number of good posters here who do a fantastic job at sharing links they find and monitor. In fact, there's an entire thread to LINKS ONLY that is well worth reading each day if you haven't already noticed it.

Glad you've joined us.

[Mel]

anyone see this already....wonder who the other person is, that's in jail???

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5253240.php

PCSO says the Haleigh information regarding the pond did not come from the questioning of Hank Croslin Jr or his wife. But sources close to the investigation told 97.3 The Sky the information came from the interviews of several other people and parts of a letter from an jail inmate in another state.

[kelloggirl]

I've seen this editing and changing happen so often lately.. I think it's a combination of zealous reporters trying to get a scoop and LE changing their mind about what they want the public to know.

MO

Thanks Grace, I'm sure that's it. Unfortunately, while the internet is great for getting news faster than we ever could before, it also makes it all too easy for some reporters to cut corners in checking sources just to get something up, since it's so easy to just edit articles later. Can't do that with print! (Or on InSessions...after 10 minutes!)

I'm very glad to read of so much recent activity in this case. It seems like the arrival of Tim Miller kicked all this stuff off, and that can only be a good thing. Even if nothing is found in the pond, it's one more lead that can be eliminated, one more place Haleigh is not.

Sadly, I believe she is dead, and I agree with the poster that thinks she is very likely in a body of water. :rose:

[Dunlurken]

You see this?
LE on the search. 12.35PM local time.
From the link:
".......Finally, Sheriff Jeff Hardy released a statement before noon Saturday that the search was, indeed, for new clues in the Haleigh Cummings case..."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/19/lake_drained_to_look_for_haleigh.html
Yes, I saw that. Thanks.

[Justice4all]

Just saw that....I suppose she could be with LE and not arrested???

I'm sure if she was even picked up for questioning like her sister in law was it would be all over the local news.


i don't think they've found anything or will find anything in this pond that is 35 miles away.....Ok with that being said, I'm gonna get off here and go enjoy this pretty day.

I'll check back later.


Come home soon Haleigh :rose:

[Mel]

Because it says "physical evidence" and altho that could mean a body, I just think that's a strange way to say it.

I'm not sure what physical evidence they're talking about...there's been as lot of theories posted...blanket, nebulizer, cinder block, gun, but whatever it is, it's important enough to drain the pond of some of it's water to make it easier for the divers to search.

MO

no doubt they've found something, IMO....

[Dunlurken]

no doubt they've found something, IMO....

I don't think they will find anything of value to the case. JMO. They are simply following leads or "misleads" trying to bring this child back home.

[willow]

snipped for space

Could this be a misprint ? I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be dark at 8:00 p.m.?

Of course, I realize kids play outside after dark but I do believe Haleigh was afraid of the dark so this seems odd to me.

I am sorry Themis I wrote this post before I seen your post. I hope you know I was not questioning your findings. In fact, your research helped answer my question.

So, now that I have seen your post I realize it was dark so I just can't see the kids playing outside in the dark on a cool night in my opinion.

P. S. I did not mean to bold this post and then I hit the bold again to try and unbold it so I HOPE it works. If not, please forgive my bold post everyone - it was an accident.

[Themis]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx/

FYI There are sequence numbers missing on the current page: 09-08321, 09-08331, 09-08338, and 09-08341. These bookings may be for persons uder age 18. There is no one listed who has not already achieved age 18, eg birthdate must be 9/19/1991 or earlier to be 18 today. The youngest person shown birthdate is 5/23/1991, clearly already 18.

For bookings, LE in FL can publish felony arrest for persons over 16, but they are not required to do so.

For detentions, anyone not yet 18 will be housed outside the sight and sound of the general adult population or go to a juvenile facility.

This has nothing to do with being married, being an emancipated minor, being charged as an adult, but with bookings and detentions. I already posted the links in yesterday's thread.
Interesting info, Malleymo, and thanks for posting it. Keep it handy because you just know this topic will surface again soon.:wink:

[achristie]

anyone see this already....wonder who the other person is, that's in jail???

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5253240.php

PCSO says the Haleigh information regarding the pond did not come from the questioning of Hank Croslin Jr or his wife. But sources close to the investigation told 97.3 The Sky the information came from the interviews of several other people and parts of a letter from an jail inmate in another state.

Could that be in Mass.? Wasn't someone interviewed on the Cape?

[elle2]

The Van with a scratch on it, or a police van? That's what we're trying to clear up.

And, where is Haleigh's blanket? Ron said they had no laundry detergent in the trailer and Misty claims to have been washing Haleigh's blanket.


Not the police van imo.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

[willow]

"Some info was gleaned from a letter from an inmate in another state." Wonder if the letter was sent to LE or if someone turned it over to LE. JMO

I have never heard of a letter from an inmate from another state before. Can you or someone tell me more about this?

[Mel]

here's another article that changed the wording...

http://www.wftv.com/news/20998031/detail.html

According to Putnam County officials, the search was prompted by over 4,000 tips they have received in the case. A spokesperson for the Sheriff’s office confirmed they have received information that there may be evidence located in the lake south of Palatka, but will not say what the evidence might be or if anything has been recovered.

[panache]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx/

FYI There are sequence numbers missing on the current page: 09-08321, 09-08331, 09-08338, and 09-08341. These bookings may be for persons uder age 18. There is no one listed who has not already achieved age 18, eg birthdate must be 9/19/1991 or earlier to be 18 today. The youngest person shown birthdate is 5/23/1991, clearly already 18.

For bookings, LE in FL can publish felony arrest for persons over 16, but they are not required to do so.

For detentions, anyone not yet 18 will be housed outside the sight and sound of the general adult population or go to a juvenile facility.

This has nothing to do with being married, being an emancipated minor, being charged as an adult, but with bookings and detentions. I already posted the links in yesterday's thread.

Thanks...that' what I was trying to say last night. :wub:

[Mel]

Could that be in Mass.? Wasn't someone interviewed on the Cape?

it might be...i don't know:confused:

got to run, but will be back later:seeya:

[W_D_1]

The Van with a scratch on it, or a police van? That's what we're trying to clear up.

And, where is Haleigh's blanket? Ron said they had no laundry detergent in the trailer and Misty claims to have been washing Haleigh's blanket.



Posters have assumed she meant it was in the van with the scratch on it. My point is that we don't know which van it was in if it was in a van. When Misty said vanshe may have been talking about the crime scene van that was at the home after Haleigh disappeared.

No one, LE or family, has ever said Haleigh's blanket is missing. IMO it's in evidence with the police.

[Dunlurken]

Not the police van imo.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

Thank you for that link. I hate watching it because, IMO, Misty is lying through her teeth. The blanket, Misty's blanket, was in a van, can't remember who it belonged to at this point. LOL. But Haleigh's blanket has not been seen since, that I know of. JMO.

Misty says she covered Haleigh with a sheet because she was washing the blanket. WHERE IS HALEIGH'S BLANKET? (Sorry for screaming!)

I think LE has the pillow case, or else Haleigh was stuffed in the pillowcase. JMO.

Later peeps!

[KatieLady]

It's about 18.7 miles by car, 35 minutes. It is in the exact range of where one would dump a body IMO.

Could Misty have taken her with her to party at this "party lake" and something happened there???

I know :rolleyes: I am just reaching I suppose *sigh*

[Themis]

I am sorry Themis I wrote this post before I seen your post. I hope you know I was not questioning your findings. In fact, your research helped answer my question.

So, now that I have seen your post I realize it was dark so I just can't see the kids playing outside in the dark on a cool night in my opinion.[/B][/B]

P. S. I did not mean to bold this post and then I hit the bold again to try and unbold it so I HOPE it works. If not, please forgive my bold post everyone - it was an accident.
No problem, Willow; I didn't think a thing of it. I just thought it odd that authorities would confirm a neighbor seeing Haleigh outside at 8 PM when we've heard Misty say a dozen times she puts Haleigh to bed at 8 every school night. Plus, back in February it would have to be totally dark except for that full moon. Misty said Tommy, her nephews and niece left no later than 5:45. GGMS says she saw them eating dinner at 7. There have been plenty of posts saying how very dark Green Lane is; a former tenant even said his son complained about it.

Tell you what, I won't take note of your technical glitches if you will ignore all of mine.:smile: [JMO * Themis]

[W_D_1]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx/

FYI There are sequence numbers missing on the current page: 09-08321, 09-08331, 09-08338, and 09-08341. These bookings may be for persons uder age 18. There is no one listed who has not already achieved age 18, eg birthdate must be 9/19/1991 or earlier to be 18 today. The youngest person shown birthdate is 5/23/1991, clearly already 18.

For bookings, LE in FL can publish felony arrest for persons over 16, but they are not required to do so.

For detentions, anyone not yet 18 will be housed outside the sight and sound of the general adult population or go to a juvenile facility.

This has nothing to do with being married, being an emancipated minor, being charged as an adult, but with bookings and detentions. I already posted the links in yesterday's thread.



Sorry but I disagree. The fact that she is married changes everything. In the eyes of the law she is no longer a minor.

[5boxersmom]

Is the abandon house LE took Crystal to close to this pond? Anyone know?

tia

[AmndaRcknwth]

It's about 18.7 miles by car, 35 minutes. It is in the exact range of where one would dump a body IMO.

The location fits well.

Dark, unlit, remote, hard to get to but close enough.

Well known to mudders and partiers, and well known in the community as such.

Plus a van might get scratched up rushing through there, since the driver would have to pull to the side nearer to brush to avoid the mud.

Pics of the pond area being searched are saved. Click my profile for the link.

[Dunlurken]

Sorry but I disagree. The fact that she is married changes everything. In the eyes of the law she is no longer a minor.

Boy, they sure screwed themselves on that one didn't they. JMO. Husband and wife can't testify against each other? LOL.

[KatieLady]

Sorry but I disagree. The fact that she is married changes everything. In the eyes of the law she is no longer a minor.

IF she were to be arrested for this, surely she would be charged as a adult IMO

[W_D_1]

IF she were to be arrested for this, surely she would be charged as a adult IMO


Yes she would IMO. She won't face the death penalty but she will most likely be charged as an adult.

[willow]

It could be a misprint or it's possible that after eating dinner the kids stayed out on the porch for awhile and a neighbor saw them playing there around 8pm.

I don't know why I did not think about that and I think you could be right.

[Dunlurken]

IF she were to be arrested for this, surely she would be charged as a adult IMO

Yes, I think I'm responsible (my bad) for bringing that up the other day. We had a big discussion about it. I thought since she was under 18, she wouldn't be charged as an adult. I was very quickly corrected, thanks to the good posters here. :thumbsup:

[W_D_1]

Boy, they sure screwed themselves on that one didn't they. JMO. Husband and wife can't testify against each other? LOL.


Spousal immunity doesn't apply in this case. Florida has an exemption if the crime involves harm to a child.

[CanCan]

Quick thought though. Even if they find something related to Haleigh, it still won't show us what happened or who did it. Unless..... Tommy is saying this is where we went that night. JMO. With Haleigh in tow and jr.

So glad you said that, cuz this was my gut reaction upon hearing news of the search. Since the bed hadn't been slept in that night, I wondered if Misti had taken the kids out partying to that pond - a notorious party spot. She left by the trailer's back door to avoid being seen by neighbors. At the party, she left Jr. sleeping in the car. But something dreadful happened to Haleigh - either she drowned while unsupervised......or (:angry:) she was assaulted/molested by a party-goer.....and was disposed of right there in the pond.

just my first impression, subject to change

[Dunlurken]

Yes she would IMO. She won't face the death penalty but she will most likely be charged as an adult.Boy, we all sure seem to think she's the responsible party don't we? Personally, I think it's pretty obvious. JMO.