9/17

[aproudmom]

Good Morning everyone here is a nice new thread to start the day off Lets pray Annie gets some JUSTICE soon also there will be a PC at 7am hope we get some new in a hour...Just seen a pic of the hotel on Robin Meade no action as of yet or did not look like it....

[aproudmom]

Police in the Annie Le murder case were set to make an anouncement early Thursday morning as attention focused on DNA taken from Yale University animal research technician Raymond Clark, who worked in the same lab as the slain Yale student.

Police scheduled a press conference for 7:00 a.m., but officer Joe Avery, a New Haven police spokesman, told The Associated Press early Thursday that Clark was not in custody and police did not have a warrant for his arrest.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/annie-le-slay-arrest-may-be-imminent-as-focus-centers-on-raymond-clark-dna-1.1455142

[aproudmom]

:tongueside:OMG One link says one thing and another says something totally different...

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/police-say-arrest-soon-139642.html

New Haven police spokesman Joe Avery said early Thursday that an arrest was expected "soon" in the death of 24-year-old Annie Le. The state medical examiner says 24-year-old Annie Le was suffocated.

Avery did not know whether any DNA matches had been made.

[n/t]

Good Morning,

It sounds like an arrest is imminent. Information was already leaked to the media that there's DNA match.

I think most expected that LE had their man when they went in with a search warrant. IIRC, he was the only one out of the many who were questioned to have a search warrant on him.

[Survivor]

:tongueside:OMG One link says one thing and another says something totally different...

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/police-say-arrest-soon-139642.html

New Haven police spokesman Joe Avery said early Thursday that an arrest was expected "soon" in the death of 24-year-old Annie Le. The state medical examiner says 24-year-old Annie Le was suffocated.

Avery did not know whether any DNA matches had been made.

Good morning aproudmom! Thanks for the "fresh" start and here's to hoping that the 7am presser sorts out the FACTS from FICTION.:tongueside: It gets sooooo frustrating reading different "sources" proclaiming the inside scoop from anonymous officials.

[Survivor]

Good Morning,

It sounds like an arrest is imminent. Information was already leaked to the media that there's DNA match.

I think most expected that LE had their man when they went in with a search warrant. IIRC, he was the only one out of the many who were questioned to have a search warrant on him.

Morning n/t. I understand that a warrant was needed because he had lawyered up during and /or after his poly. IMO

[aproudmom]

CNN A arrest soon lets hope they are correct


Police in Yale Murder Probe Gather at Motel Housing Lab Worker
Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Police gathered at a motel housing a Yale University laboratory worker named as a “person of interest” in the murder of Annie Le, the graduate student killed days before her wedding.

A spokesman for police in New Haven, where Le was killed, called journalists to an early morning briefing today. Police are obtaining an arrest warrant for the man, Raymond Clark, after testing DNA samples, the New Haven Register reported, citing police it didn’t identify.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=amPqTe4gb_Lk

[aproudmom]

Good morning aproudmom! Thanks for the "fresh" start and here's to hoping that the 7am presser sorts out the FACTS from FICTION.:tongueside: It gets sooooo frustrating reading different "sources" proclaiming the inside scoop from anonymous officials.

I know me to the back and forth with the media will drive you nuts...as far as warrants don't they usually get one even if given permission if they think the person is Guilty just to make sure if or when a case goes to trial they have all their ducks in a row....

[aproudmom]

Good Morning,

It sounds like an arrest is imminent. Information was already leaked to the media that there's DNA match.

I think most expected that LE had their man when they went in with a search warrant. IIRC, he was the only one out of the many who were questioned to have a search warrant on him.

Morning n/t good to see you..I think they even said he had been watched since the day after her death IIRC so I am sure they knew they had thier man. for some reason I feel they are going to tell us they are still waiting on DNA but I pray I am wrong.....

[Survivor]

I know me to the back and forth with the media will drive you nuts...as far as warrants don't they usually get one even if given permission if they think the person is Guilty just to make sure if or when a case goes to trial they have all their ducks in a row....

It definitely could be the reason for the warrant. It seems to vary from case to case and also state/state. Do what they gotta do to insure the evidence is legit and no room for the judge to throw it out when the trial begins. I wonder if when charged and presented with LE's facts, a plea may arise.:confused: Sure save a lot of heartache for the family. Do you have a link for the presser at 7am? TIA

[aproudmom]

Praying for Justice for Annie Le:rose:

getting mics ready for PC on CNN

[n/t]

Morning n/t. I understand that a warrant was needed because he had lawyered up during and /or after his poly. IMO

Makes sense. He lawyered up pretty quickly.

[n/t]

September 17th, 2009
Arrest imminent in Yale student killing, authorities say
Posted: 06:53 AM ET

Police are close to making an arrest in the case, spokesman Joe Avery said Thursday morning.


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

[n/t]

Not sure if there's a live feed. I've been looking.

[Survivor]

September 17th, 2009
Arrest imminent in Yale student killing, authorities say
Posted: 06:53 AM ET

Police are close to making an arrest in the case, spokesman Joe Avery said Thursday morning.


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

CNN is now saying the presser MAY be delayed for up to an HOUR:scared:

aLSO OFFICIALS WILL not CONFIRM if the imminent arrest is for Raymond Clark

[aproudmom]

It definitely could be the reason for the warrant. It seems to vary from case to case and also state/state. Do what they gotta do to insure the evidence is legit and no room for the judge to throw it out when the trial begins. I wonder if when charged and presented with LE's facts, a plea may arise.:confused: Sure save a lot of heartache for the family. Do you have a link for the presser at 7am? TIA

Yeah they are sitting it up right now on CNN I don't have a live stream link..I think he wants to take a plea just by the way his lawyer is talking...JMO

[aproudmom]

OMG Could be another hour they pushed it back

[Survivor]

OMG Could be another hour they pushed it back

Yup...delayed up to an hour:bored:

[HALE 2d GNAW]

OMG Could be another hour they pushed it back



OMG apm. I am gonna look like that dog in back of Raymond's mustang if they don't speed this process up. I need an arrest and my beauty sleep. :sleep:

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. The Today Show just reported an arrest is imminent. Police staking out the motel where raymond is. I wonder why he's not staying with his family?

[no1what]

Is there a link to view the PC on the internet?

[no1what]

Good morning everyone. The Today Show just reported an arrest is imminent. Police staking out the motel where raymond is. I wonder why he's not staying with his family?

Just saw that the PC is schedule for 8am et.

[SavannahStar]

Good morning everyone. The Today Show just reported an arrest is imminent. Police staking out the motel where raymond is. I wonder why he's not staying with his family?

Maybe his family is there with him?

It doesn't surprise me that he/they did not return to homes. I'm sure all neighbors would make life miserable for a suspected killer.

Good morning all! Was good to see the forum was very busy last night after I went to bed. I spent a lot of time this morning reading all the posts. Nothing I hate worse than a slow forum.

I'll be at work for the PC and know you guys will keep everyone up to date.

[Survivor]

Is there a link to view the PC on the internet?

I personally have not found one as yet. CNN is carrying it LIVE on TV although it has been DELAYED.....

[aproudmom]

well I guess I have enough time to grab a bite to eat...be back I sure hope I do not miss it they are saying 8am I hope it is because they are getting a warrant...JMO

[n/t]

CNN is now saying the presser MAY be delayed for up to an HOUR:scared:

aLSO OFFICIALS WILL not CONFIRM if the imminent arrest is for Raymond Clark

LOL....maybe the judge won't sign anything until he's had at least 3 cups of coffee.

[aproudmom]

I personally have not found one as yet. CNN is carrying it LIVE on TV although it has been DELAYED.....

I looked and could not find one on line either..just CNN on TV

[no1what]

I personally have not found one as yet. CNN is carrying it LIVE on TV although it has been DELAYED.....

I found a link for the PC but it says not scheduled until 8am et time.

[Survivor]

LOL....maybe the judge won't sign anything until he's had at least 3 cups of coffee.

I can most certainly agree with that point:ohmy:

Feel free to share that link no1what!

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Just wondering if Conn has laws pertaining to the hours a search warrant can be served (unless certain conditions exist)?

[no1what]

Did anyone see the article on the Jaycee Dugard case: Police have found bones on Garrido property but they can determine if human or animal. Sent the bones to the lab.


They were looking for 2 other girls that may have been kidnapped by Garrido.

[zippy]

Can watch it here too http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

[Survivor]

Can watch it here too http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

Thank you zippy!!:thumbup:

[zippy]

All the mikes are set up and lots of chatter going on from techs.

[Scampi]

Thanks for the updates everyone. I would imagine they would have the pc after they grab him and have him in custody. But, who knows, it seems that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing up there. Especially Avery.

A neighbor spoke on the Today show and said raymond has two pit bulls that he "abused." Not sure that's accurate tho, cuz we know the doggie is an English bull.

SS, and everyone else who has to leave us, have a good day at work, we'll keep you up to date, or at least we'll try.

[no1what]

Can watch it here too http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

Thanks.

You know you would think with todays technology they could create a better way of setting up mics for pc's etc....smaller mics or a system that could be plugged into.

[Survivor]

All the mikes are set up and lots of chatter going on from techs.

Yes ...alot of chatter. I think they forget they can be heard and I love it!
...Nice message zippy and so true:sad:

[n/t]

Thanks for the updates everyone. I would imagine they would have the pc after they grab him and have him in custody. But, who knows, it seems that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing up there. Especially Avery.

A neighbor spoke on the Today show and said raymond has two pit bulls that he "abused." Not sure that's accurate tho, cuz we know the doggie is an English bull.

SS, and everyone else who has to leave us, have a good day at work, we'll keep you up to date, or at least we'll try.

It's interesting that we're not getting what we sometimes see in other cases when neighbours and friends are interviewed. The...he was a quiet, friendly, never had problems, shocked...yada yada yada. It's quite the opposite in this case.

[zippy]

YW. Its a little better than watching blue carpet or a clock.:wink:

[Survivor]

good morning everyone. Ok, after watching BOMBSHELL NG show last night I AM CONVINCED she reads our posts!!! She said EVERYTHING WE did yesterday!:

Presser has been moved to 8:00 am. DH drove by Motel 8 this morning on his way to work and he said that theres so much media at the Motel it's causing major traffic and making him late to work.:rolleyes:

I gotta go to work soon but only after the presser! I've got my priorities! :thumbsup:

:thumbup: Thanks for the LIVE update!

[Survivor]

Bumping the LIVE link for morning PC......

http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

...link courtesy of zippy!

[AMS]

Bumping the LIVE link for morning PC......

http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

Good morning everyone. Thanks for the link.

[JHP]

yea i saw that. Both Dugard and Nancy need to rot in Hell!:cursing:

Do you mean Garrido??

[Survivor]

OMG let me edit. ...thank you so much for pointing that out.

guys it won;t let me delete or edit, please help me get that post out...omg i'm sick to my stomach right now........HELP ME what do i do?

Send off a quick email to CW!!!!

[ann10]

OMG let me edit. ...thank you so much for pointing that out.

guys it won;t let me delete or edit, please help me get that post out...omg i'm sick to my stomach right now........HELP ME what do i do?


Freudian slip? It was too funny :thumbsup:

[JHP]

OMG let me edit. ...thank you so much for pointing that out.

guys it won;t let me delete or edit, please help me get that post out...omg i'm sick to my stomach right now........HELP ME what do i do?

Gosh, I don't know. But all these names get confusing don't they.

[Survivor]

HOW? oh man......

Post a swear word or porn and she will FIND YOU!!!:thumbsup:

[SwineFeld]

Click this link then send her a private message (click contact info).

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/member.php?u=14

HOW? oh man......

[Survivor]

Click on " CONTACT US" ata the very bottom of this page.....

in.session.coldwater@hotmail.com <in.session.coldwater@hotmail.com>

[no1what]

Click this link then send her a private message (click contact info).

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/member.php?u=14

Don't forget to give her the post #; the time and the board name.

[Survivor]

Bumping the LIVE link for morning PC......

http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

...link courtesy of zippy!



reposting for late comers!

[Scampi]

It's interesting that we're not getting what we sometimes see in other cases when neighbours and friends are interviewed. The...he was a quiet, friendly, never had problems, shocked...yada yada yada. It's quite the opposite in this case.

The young woman on The Today Show said raymond never had friends or family come visit at his apartment.

I'm sure we'll be hearing many things about ray tho, after he's in custody.

I do not think there will be a plea offered in this case. Nope. Never.

[StickyBeak]

DNA Matches

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/crime_wtnh_newhaven_who_killed_le_200909162300_rev 1

New Haven (WTNH) - The New Haven Register reports police have obtained a DNA match that implicates Raymond Clark III, 24, in the slaying of Yale graduate student Annie Le.

Police have obtained, or are in the process of obtaining, an arrest warrant, the sources said.

[dref99]

http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

Seem to be lots of chatting & folks on telephones - hopefully soon

[Survivor]

k brb:chicken::chicken:

Well you've had your heart jump started this mornin tbrito:w00t:

too funny lol

[no1what]

Just realized that Fox had a live web link to the hotel stake out. Should have been watching for the arrest.

It's down now so did they make an arrest.

[JHP]

yes they do, my boss always laughs at me because i always call people by their wrong names.....and i call them by their wrong names with confidence. :glare:

ok i'm pm'd coldwater! thanks all. omg i'm still shaking

I call everybody in my house wrong names, Cats, dog, kids, DH. It happens:smile:.

I sure do hope they make an arrest soon. It's kind of interesting he's at a super 8 motel IIRC. What a place to spend your last free hours/days.

JMO

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Post a swear word or porn and she will FIND YOU!!!:thumbsup:

I swear this is my 1st :lol: of day. I hope it is not the last. Th news is soooo depressing.

[Survivor]

no kidding man oh man, who needs coffee? LOL:confused:

Blame it on Nancy...Karma:thumbup:

[no1what]

I have both Fox news and WTNH live streams up side by side. The Fox news stream is closer; clearer and 5 seconds ahead.

http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

[jewel6]

surely they have already arrested him if the DNA matched and they are having a conference. JMO

[dref99]

I have both Fox news and WTNH live streams up side by side. The Fox news stream is closer; clearer and 5 seconds ahead.

http://www.wtnh.com/subindex/video/live_events_1

Do you have any sound with Fox? It does have a clear screen - with reflections of those waiting for the start - but at the minute I have no sound, whereas WTNH has sound ??

[FrankieBones1]

Good Morning everyone here is a nice new thread to start the day off Lets pray Annie gets some JUSTICE soon also there will be a PC at 7am hope we get some new in a hour...Just seen a pic of the hotel on Robin Meade no action as of yet or did not look like it....

Good Morning, mom and all. HLN mentioned that a presser will begin soon.

[no1what]

Do you have any sound with Fox? It does have a clear screen - with reflections of those waiting for the start - but at the minute I have no sound, whereas WTNH has sound ??

I just saw on the stake out link that it looks like they did take him into custody. I saw LE put someone in one of 2 vehicles and leave.

[Browneyes]

Yeah they are sitting it up right now on CNN I don't have a live stream link..I think he wants to take a plea just by the way his lawyer is talking...JMO

I'm late to the thread this morning because I was up most of the night hoping for an arrest.

What did his lawyer say? A plea would be great. It would save the family having to go through a trial.

Good morning all....let's hope for an arrest today.

[FrankieBones1]

HLN showing a side by side live shot of the presser podium and the hotel parking lot. Police are pulling out of the lot.

[Scampi]

I just saw on the stake out link that they did take him into custody.

Thank you for that info, CNN HLN has the shot from the motel on right now showing police cars pulling out.

[SwineFeld]

They are trash talking coworkers on Fox (at the PR) it sounds like. LOL

[no1what]

Thank you for that info, CNN HLN has the shot from the motel on right now showing police cars pulling out.

Now fox is doing an interview on the live stream at the hotel.

She's getting ready for her spot.

[no1what]

Thank you for that info, CNN HLN has the shot from the motel on right now showing police cars pulling out.

Going down live now, they're getting ready to take him into custody.

[RainyNiteNTx]

yes they do, my boss always laughs at me because i always call people by their wrong names.....and i call them by their wrong names with confidence. :glare:

ok i'm pm'd coldwater! thanks all. omg i'm still shaking

LMAO this is hysterical. I had to go back and find what it was all about and I laughed even harder. I can identify.

I was hoping the PC would air before I had to leave for work, but I guess no such luck. I'll have to check in tonight when I get home. I hope they get the right guy and I hope justice is swift for Annie, her fiance, and her family.

[Scampi]

Now fox is doing an interview on the live stream at the hotel.

She's getting ready for her spot.

Your updates are greatly appreciated!!!! :thumbsup:

[no1what]

Going down live now, they're getting ready to take him into custody.

Police have surrounded the hotel and closed down all access.

[FrankieBones1]

Headline News reports that it's possible that police have set up a road block at the hotel lot. Looks more like a traffic stop in the area according to Robin Mead.

[no1what]

Your updates are greatly appreciated!!!! :thumbsup:

Do you have access to the web for the live stream?


This female reporter is doing a great job.

[Browneyes]

HLN showing a side by side live shot of the presser podium and the hotel parking lot. Police are pulling out of the lot.


Thanks Frankie!

[SwineFeld]

The Fox reporter says they have Clark on video doing suspicious things.

[dref99]

I just saw on the stake out link that it looks like they did take him into custody. I saw LE put someone in one of 2 vehicles and leave.


Thanks for posting - I'm picking up on Fox now at the motel - a bit slow am I to find the right place

[no1what]

Do you have access to the web for the live stream?


This female reporter is doing a great job.

I saw them take someone earlier so don't know what they're doing now.
Maybe the person earlier was just an under cover. The camera wasn't close enough to get a clear picture. The reporter just said they're not sure if they took him earlier or if it's going down now. The police are on the back side of the hotel.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

This is a dog and pony show. :cursing:

[Browneyes]

Police have surrounded the hotel and closed down all access.


Thanks for the updates. Where are you seeing this?

[Scampi]

NATIONAL FOX is showing the scene at the Super 8, oh here we go with the pc......They got him.

[no1what]

I saw them take someone earlier so don't know what they're doing now.
Maybe the person earlier was just an under cover. The camera wasn't close enough to get a clear picture. The reporter just said they're not sure if they took him earlier or if it's going down now. The police are on the back side of the hotel.



She just got a report that they did already arrest him.

[Scampi]

Bond is set at 3 million dollars. Arrest record is sealed. This is about work place violence.

[Browneyes]

Finally, he is arrested! $3 million dollar bond.

Justice for Annie!

[barskin&co.]

NATIONAL FOX is showing the scene at the Super 8, oh here we go with the pc......They got him.

Hey, Scampi. I'm just checking in for news, and this is good news.

RIP, Annie :rose:

[SwineFeld]

Why is WTNH showing nothing at the podium and Fox is but yet there is no sound to it. Only to the female reporter who is elsewhere? Ugh!

[no1what]

Thanks for the updates. Where are you seeing this?

Fox new has a live stream at the hotel.

[FrankieBones1]

Three million dollar bond set. At 8:10am Eastern today, the person of interest, Raymond Clark, was arrested for murder.

He was aware that he was about to be arrested at Motel 8 because he could see them from his room according to Robin Mead.

[barskin&co.]

WHAT -- workplace crime? Did they ever hint at anything sexual?

I think you understand, or should understand, "workplace crime" means violence to a worker by a coworker.

[Browneyes]

Fox new has a live stream at the hotel.

Ok, thanks!

[Scampi]

Hey, Scampi. I'm just checking in for news, and this is good news.

RIP, Annie :rose:

Hey Bar, yep they got him and apparently a Lt. Daddio, a woman, was in charge of the investigation. Makes it all the sweeter for me.

[FrankieBones1]

The arrest warrant is sealed according to Robin Mead.

[n/t]

Thanks for the updates!

Justice for Annie :rose:

[Scampi]

Fox reporting that there are literally reams of evidence. Chief Lewis is also saying that there is much evidence in this case, some of which they haven't even examined yet.

[texasgal]

At least they have him .. and it sounds like they have plenty of evidence against him.

Why do we seem to WANT to make this a sexual crime?? :confused:

[barskin&co.]

But IF it had a sexual component, would that trump "workplace"? If someone's raped on a subway, is it a transportation crime?

Rape is included in overall workplace crime:

robbery, aggravated
assault
Simple assault
Aggravated assault
Robbery
Rape/Sexual assault
Homicide


www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/vw99.pdf

[n/t]

Has LE ever mentioned anything sexual?

Not that I'm aware of. There was never anything officially mentioned that she was sexually assaulted.

[Scampi]

Has LE ever mentioned anything sexual?

Chief Lewis just said that the only charge right now, is murder. As the evidence dictates, that could change.

[n/t]

Rape is included in overall workplace crime:

robbery, aggravated
assault
Simple assault
Aggravated assault
Robbery
Rape/Sexual assault
Homicide


www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/vw99.pdf

But he wasn't charged for rape, right? Do we kow what the specifics are? TIA

[dref99]

Has LE ever mentioned anything sexual?

I think I heard there was no truth in the rumours re boyfriend/girlfriend - it was not a street crime, nor a domestic crime - it was a workplace crime

[dinojen]

good morning everyone. Ok, after watching BOMBSHELL NG show last night I AM CONVINCED she reads our posts!!! She said EVERYTHING WE did yesterday!:sneaky:

Presser has been moved to 8:00 am. DH drove by Motel 8 this morning on his way to work and he said that theres so much media at the Motel it's causing major traffic and making him late to work.:rolleyes:

I gotta go to work soon but only after the presser! I've got my priorities! :thumbsup:

They just arrested him, he went without a fight, supposedly they have DNA, video of him going into the same area and Annie, he came out and she didn't... was just watching it on tv. He is in custody...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/17/yale.student.le/index.html


And arrest warrant is sealed...

[MissNZ]

Thank God they got him. Workplace crime, wow. And now sealed documents.

I've read every thread and post regarding this crime and I have never seen one that is so secretive (the crime, not the board!).

I hope he had a sleepless night; he must have known they were coming!

[n/t]

Chief Lewis just said that the only charge right now, is murder. As the evidence dictates, that could change.

Thanks scampi. For some reason, I don't believe he raped her. I think this was rage. He wanted revenge for whatever reason. Maybe we'll find out more in the days to come.

[Scampi]

I am very relieved that they have raymond in custody.

Now, I hope he cannot make that bail and remains there.

HLN just showed raymond being put into the police car.

[n/t]

I just got an email alert from CNN of the arrest. They're calling him a lab technician. Of course, we know he wasn't that at all. I hope they correct their reporting.

[barskin&co.]

I think I heard there was no truth in the rumours re boyfriend/girlfriend - it was not a street crime, nor a domestic crime - it was a workplace crime

Yes, dref.

More about worplace crime:

According to a study conducted by the Justice Department over a four-year period, nearly 2 million people were victims of violent crimes in the workplace. Examples of the crimes included robberies, rapes, assaults, and homicides. Many victims do not report threatening or suspicious activity due to embarrassment or fear, but the consequences of failure to alert supervisors or authorities can be severe. Everyone deserves to work in an environment that is free from threats and harassment, and individuals accused of crimes in the workplace have the right to defend themselves against false accusations.

People involved in the intimate workings of a business as well as individuals with peripheral involvement may be guilty of workplace violence. Some cases include employees working in a common office or environment, while others involve vendors that deliver services or goods to a shop or place of business. Still other instances of workplace violence have occurred between employees and patrons or customers. Regardless of the individuals involved, workplace violence remains a serious issue in today's society and steps must be taken to prevent such serious crimes.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Violent-Crime-in-the-Workplace&id=2401354

Literature and studies say workplace violence includes rape; in other words, it's just one possibility. It doesn't mean it has to involve rape.

[dinojen]

Thank God they got him. Workplace crime, wow. And now sealed documents.

I've read every thread and post regarding this crime and I have never seen one that is so secretive (the crime, not the board!).

I hope he had a sleepless night; he must have known they were coming!

They did the same thing in Stockton with the Sandra Cantu murder.. everything is sealed and an immediate gag order was placed on the case, suppose it protects the prosecutions case...

[Mel]

Thanks for the updates everyone. I would imagine they would have the pc after they grab him and have him in custody. But, who knows, it seems that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing up there. Especially Avery.

A neighbor spoke on the Today show and said raymond has two pit bulls that he "abused." Not sure that's accurate tho, cuz we know the doggie is an English bull.

SS, and everyone else who has to leave us, have a good day at work, we'll keep you up to date, or at least we'll try.

that's what i'm thinking, Scamp!....course i'm just now catching up...should have started from the last thread, i guess....

[Destini]

Oh, good grief. Apparently he was in that area again on Friday night!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/17/earlyshow/main5317185.shtml

(snipped)

CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston spoke to a medical student who, like Le, worked alongside Clark. She requested that CBS News obscure her face and voice.

Friday night, three days after Le vanished, and before her body was found, the woman says she was in the basement, about five feet from him for roughly three minutes.

"He appeared very relaxed, very normal," the woman told Pinkston. "I didn't sense any anything different in his behavior from what I'd observed previously."

Only essential personnel could access the basement lab, by swiping key cards at multiple access points, Pinkston points out. The area was highly secured. And researchers typically worked alone.

The med student observed to Pinkston that it is "so secluded down there," the woman said, "soundproof, and nobody is ever looking for you, nobody questions when you go into a room for several hours and don't come out."

The perfect place, Pinkston noted, for a murder.

[jewel6]

was this guys girlfriend with him when he was arrested?

[barskin&co.]

Murder in the workplace. A workplace crime. Nothing else said. I think it's a lousy excuse to keep quiet yet again.

That's not why they are keeping mum. They want to protect the integrity of the investigation and the arrest. They want to convict
the guy. Have you never heard anything about other criminal cases?

[Mel]

I am very relieved that they have raymond in custody.

Now, I hope he cannot make that bail and remains there.

HLN just showed raymond being put into the police car.

OK...i see it now..turned the TV on too..

[no1what]

Three million dollar bond set. At 8:10am Eastern today, the person of interest, Raymond Clark, was arrested for murder.

He was aware that he was about to be arrested at Motel 8 because he could see them from his room according to Robin Mead.

If the time was 8:10 then the person I saw them take was Clark. Wonder what was going on after with all those cars?

[barskin&co.]

So Garrido raping Dugard in his home wasn't rape, would be a "domestic" crime?

Garrido kidnapping Dugard wasn't a perverted kidnapping, would be "street" crime?

Workplace crime is just a catagory. He will be charged with murder. Just murder and whatever other crimes he committed. Okay?

[no1what]

They just arrested him, he went without a fight, supposedly they have DNA, video of him going into the same area and Annie, he came out and she didn't... was just watching it on tv. He is in custody...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/17/yale.student.le/index.html


And arrest warrant is sealed...


If she was killed in one room and hidden in a separate room then they wouldn't they have video of him taking her out of the room and into the next room?

[SavannahStar]

I just got an email alert from CNN of the arrest. They're calling him a lab technician. Of course, we know he wasn't that at all. I hope they correct their reporting.

We've heard what he did in his job but I don't think they said his title was NOT lab technician.

[texasgal]

Workplace crime is just a catagory. He will be charged with murder. Just murder and whatever other crimes he committed. Okay?


Right?? We get so caught up in the semantics ....

He's in custody .. he's charged with killing her .. we'll have to wait to see what else the evidence shows...

[SavannahStar]

Thanks scampi. For some reason, I don't believe he raped her. I think this was rage. He wanted revenge for whatever reason. Maybe we'll find out more in the days to come.


I agree with you on this. Though I'm not even sure he wanted revenge; I am still thinking along the lines of a sudden rage.

[n/t]

Oh, good grief. Apparently he was in that area again on Friday night!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/17/earlyshow/main5317185.shtml

(snipped)

CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston spoke to a medical student who, like Le, worked alongside Clark. She requested that CBS News obscure her face and voice.

Friday night, three days after Le vanished, and before her body was found, the woman says she was in the basement, about five feet from him for roughly three minutes.

"He appeared very relaxed, very normal," the woman told Pinkston. "I didn't sense any anything different in his behavior from what I'd observed previously."

Only essential personnel could access the basement lab, by swiping key cards at multiple access points, Pinkston points out. The area was highly secured. And researchers typically worked alone.

The med student observed to Pinkston that it is "so secluded down there," the woman said, "soundproof, and nobody is ever looking for you, nobody questions when you go into a room for several hours and don't come out."

The perfect place, Pinkston noted, for a murder.


That's so disturbing. Ugh!

[SavannahStar]

At least they have him .. and it sounds like they have plenty of evidence against him.

Why do we seem to WANT to make this a sexual crime?? :confused:


People crave the sensational I think.

We have to wait for further details. We just don't know as yet if she was sexually assaulted.

[dref99]

Yes, dref.

More about worplace crime:

.. snipped for space

http://ezinearticles.com/?Violent-Crime-in-the-Workplace&id=2401354

Literature and studies say workplace violence includes rape; in other words, it's just one possibility. It doesn't mean it has to involve rape.

It seems we will have to wait for court to find out if there are other charges and/or exactly what happened. Do hope this trial is streamed somewhere!

With Fox having no sound (at the presser) and the other having a weird picture and delayed sound, I think I missed most of the discussion :sad:

jmo

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Secrecy. Is this the beginning of future trends?

It is just temporary. It protects RC as much as anything. Preserving his right to fair trial as much as they can at this point


Majority of SW's are process normally as they are public record. I am sure there is ATTy at the courthouse filing a motion to get them unsealed. Maybe we'll get some redacted docs in ther near future. Or least I hope.

Annie :rose:

[jewel6]

I agree with you on this. Though I'm not even sure he wanted revenge; I am still thinking along the lines of a sudden rage.

Yes, and he left alot of evidence supposedly. DNA as one and he knew there were cameras. I dont think it was premeditated per say. JMO

[Mel]

wow...he could have even done a bit more 'clean up' 3 days after he killed her, per Destini's link...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/17/earlyshow/main5317185.shtml

i'm sure they'll go over the video even afterward, since he was still going down to the lab....(if they already haven't)

[no1what]

It is just temporary. It protects RC as much as anything. Preserving his right to fair trial as much as they can at this point


Majority of SW's are public record. I am sure there is ATTy at the courthouse filing a motion to get them unsealed. Maybe we'll get some redacted docs in ther near future. Or least I hope.

Annie :rose:


If I were the victim or a family member of a victim I would not want information and evidence out in the media until it went to trial. I would want to make sure that they would be able to collect the best jury pool for court.

[Scampi]

OK...i see it now..turned the TV on too..

Morning Mel. LOL, you know how fast we move on this thread, glad you're caught up now.

Chief Lewis stressed that there was nothing romantic between raymond and Annie. I believe this was done more for Annie then raymond.

We still might have a rape charge in this case, imo. As Barskin proved, work place violence does include rape at times.

Time and the evidence will tell.

[FrankieBones1]

Secrecy. Is this the beginning of future trends?

It appears that Conn doesn't have any Sunshine laws that we've become accustomed to with the Anthony case in Florida.

The defense will go for the contaminated crime scene, in my opinion. Media people were able to access that basement two days after the murder scene was found.

The reporter phoned into one of those cable news shows a few days ago to say he and others had access to that area.

[Destini]

That's so disturbing. Ugh!

Disturbing on many levels. After failing the poly, that he had the nerve to go back to that area. What exactly was he doing down there, cleaning up evidence? Were the police watching him at this point? They say they have had him under surveillance.

How terrifying for the students working in that lab!

[Scampi]

I have serious knowledge of criminal cases. LE likes to smear the defendant as much as possible because it sways the jury pool. Look at the OJ Simpson case. They announced excruciating details, and plenty of lies.

Seriously? You think by slapping a murder charge on raymond, LE is smearing him?

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Oh, good grief. Apparently he was in that area again on Friday night!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/17/earlyshow/main5317185.shtml

(snipped)

CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston spoke to a medical student who, like Le, worked alongside Clark. She requested that CBS News obscure her face and voice.

Friday night, three days after Le vanished, and before her body was found, the woman says she was in the basement, about five feet from him for roughly three minutes.

"He appeared very relaxed, very normal," the woman told Pinkston. "I didn't sense any anything different in his behavior from what I'd observed previously."

Only essential personnel could access the basement lab, by swiping key cards at multiple access points, Pinkston points out. The area was highly secured. And researchers typically worked alone.

The med student observed to Pinkston that it is "so secluded down there," the woman said, "soundproof, and nobody is ever looking for you, nobody questions when you go into a room for several hours and don't come out."

The perfect place, Pinkston noted, for a murder.

BBM. CBS is calling RC a "coworker" of Annie's and this med student's? :ohmy:

[n/t]

I agree with you on this. Though I'm not even sure he wanted revenge; I am still thinking along the lines of a sudden rage.

If the reports about the text messages are true, I believe it was premeditated. I think he planned to murder her that morning. Of course, as with most crimes especially first offenders, they botch the job. He didn't think of everything such as using her card, hiding the clothes in the ceiling, etc.

He probably figured he could lure her down to the basement, get her in the other lab room, strangle her (he probably thought he could overpower her without a struggle) but she didn't and left scratches on his chest and blood evidence, and put her body in the wall.

I won't be surprised if we start to hear about workplace incidents involving Annie and RC. We know that there was a previous email from him to her. I also believe the family and/or fiance knew there were issues with this guy and they may have given LE information.

I think Annie was caught offguard and put up a struggle which ultimately resulted in leaving enough evidence to get him.

All speculation based on what I could gather from the media reports.

[jewel6]

It is strange that he would be back at that particular lab after somebody went missing from there. Police were probally watching him for sure. jmo

[Mel]

Morning Mel. LOL, you know how fast we move on this thread, glad you're caught up now.

Chief Lewis stressed that there was nothing romantic between raymond and Annie. I believe this was done more for Annie then raymond.

We still might have a rape charge in this case, imo. As Barskin proved, work place violence does include rape at times.

Time and the evidence will tell.

i agree....if there was anything "romantic" it was all in Raymond's mind, imo...i hope she wasn't raped:(

so the 3 million is reduced to actually 300,000 right?

[SavannahStar]

If the reports about the text messages are true, I believe it was premeditated. I think he planned to murder her that morning. Of course, as with most crimes especially first offenders, they botch the job. He didn't think of everything such as using her card, hiding the clothes in the ceiling, etc.

He probably figured he could lure her down to the basement, get her in the other lab room, strangle her (he probably thought he could overpower her without a struggle) but she didn't and left scratches on his chest and blood evidence, and put her body in the wall.

I won't be surprised if we start to hear about workplace incidents involving Annie and RC. We know that there was a previous email from him to her. I also believe the family and/or fiance knew there were issues with this guy and they may have given LE information.

I think Annie was caught offguard and put up a struggle which ultimately resulted in leaving enough evidence to get him.

All speculation based on what I could gather from the media reports.


I'm still not at all in agreement with him luring her there, by virtue of the text message. I think that could have been legitimate. The thing that sways me is IF he truly planned on this murder, he would never have picked that time and that place. I think the crime was committed too sloppily. If he in fact planned it all out, he would have done a far better job. IMO.

[dref99]

I guess "workplace" conjures up crimes committed because workplaces are the place to commit them: embesslement, stealing company property, unlawful conversion, etc.

In this instance, it conjures up to me a crime (murder) committed because of a work relationship between the two people. If they hadn't worked together, there would have been no relationship & no crime. The crimes you mention are perhaps similar in that the working environment allows the crimes to happen.

As to why - anything I think of is conjecture, so I guess waiting is the only option. From the little I heard, they wouldn't even discuss dna - and I'm not sure that it was confirmed - but the media is certainly confirming same. I shall hopefully find a video of the press conference with sound and picture!

jmo

[Survivor]

It is strange that he would be back at that particular lab after somebody went missing from there. Police were probally watching him for sure. jmo

I don't find it strange at all. He was going about his regular duties as per usual. Not going back to that lab would have raised suspicion IMO

[jewel6]

I don't find it strange at all. He was going about his regular duties as per usual. Not going back to that lab would have raised suspicion IMO

You could be right on that point. Why would LE let anyone down there? Thats strange. jmo

[MissNZ]

They said she died from "traumatic asphyxiation" yet they say there were blood-stained clothes found, bloodied surgical gloves and blood droplets on the floor. that would not be from scratches, nor traumatic asphyxiation?

this thread moves so fast!

[spiritwolf46]

I am very relieved that they have raymond in custody.

Now, I hope he cannot make that bail and remains there.

HLN just showed raymond being put into the police car.

Hiya Scamp! :seeya:

I am SO relieved as well!

What a MONSTER this creep is! I hope the DP is on the table right out of the shoot!

Justice for Annie! :rose:

[Ice Cycle]

Morning,
Was on the wrong forum. Can only stay a bit and no time to read, was he arrested?

[HALE 2d GNAW]

So, police brutality is a "workplace crime" because the police are working?

This is far out but, if an LEO enters a home to investigate a B+E and decides to rape the homeowner, is it a "workplace crime" because the LEO is on the job, or is it a "domestic crime" because it happened in a home? Or is it what it is -- sexual violence -- because that was the criminal thouhgts in the perp's mind?

I think LE are continuing to cover up, and since when have they cared about protecting the defendant this much??


:confused:

You prolly already know the answer IMO. Did the policeman used to work at this home? Did he ever work with/for/under the victim at this home? But anything is possible these days. I am sure some savvy atty could present your scenerio to a jury and try to make it stick.

Workplace violence = civil suit to follow IMO

[dref99]

I'm still not at all in agreement with him luring her there, by virtue of the text message. I think that could have been legitimate. The thing that sways me is IF he truly planned on this murder, he would never have picked that time and that place. I think the crime was committed too sloppily. If he in fact planned it all out, he would have done a far better job. IMO.

From many of the cases followed on the message boards, it seems that the key to solving a murder quickly is finding the body of the murdered person. Although I don't think this was premeditated, it would seem he realised hiding the body was his best chance - after the event. Problem with that was the security level of the building. She just had to be in there somewhere. Despite that fact, it did still take quite some time to find her.

jmo

[jewel6]

I read in a article that his fiance and sister and brother in law also worked there. I didnt know that. JMO:confused:

[HALE 2d GNAW]

You could be right on that point. Why would LE let anyone down there? Thats strange. jmo

ITA. Very poor crime scene preservation.

However, the money that research lab generates for Yale may have outweighed their good jiudgment. But if the FBI was there, they should have stepped up.

Surely the card reader informaiton had been provided by that point. Boggles the mind. $$$$$$$$$

I guess if justice still prevails for Annie, no harm done :(

[Browneyes]

Morning,
Was on the wrong forum. Can only stay a bit and no time to read, was he arrested?


He was arrested a little after 8 am EST.

[FrankieBones1]

They said she died from "traumatic asphyxiation" yet they say there were blood-stained clothes found, bloodied surgical gloves and blood droplets on the floor. that would not be from scratches, nor traumatic asphyxiation?

this thread moves so fast!I really hate to even think it but he may have beat her before asphyxiating her.

[JanJan]

Glad to hear that this one is off the streets/out of the lab!

RIP, Annie.

[Ice Cycle]

He was arrested a little after 8 am EST.

I just found the presser link but thanks, alot of congratulations and not much info.

[dref99]

That's why LE originally jumped into the trash, because it would get taken away to the dump or incinerator, but anything in the building would remain there. Especially with so much biological trash from the building, it was rather likely that biological contamination would occur.

very good point - LE were probably thinking things through somewhat quicker than I am - after the event.

I am pleased he was arrested but it does not dimish the sadness for Annie's family and fiance - how very pointless is the anger that seems to take over lives without warning.

jmo

[SavannahStar]

Ditto. I thought it was a "violent crime", not to be categorized with embezzling, unlawful conversion, stealing or misusing company property, etc.


I just can't see why people seem angry about the term "workplace violence." I don't at all consider embezzling, etc. to be "workplace violence". I think of that as "white collar crime." Workplace violence, on the other hand, conjures up "going postal".....real violence in a workplace.....murder, assault, what have you.

[smileyjoe]

Sorry, looked through the links thread but cannot find reference to the text messages. Anyone have a link? Please?

[Tacori]

I just found the presser link but thanks, alot of congratulations and not much info.

Here's one with tons of info.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/yale-annie-le/hc-raymond-clark-arrest-annie-le-yale,0,6985977.story

RIP, Annie.

[Mel]

I really hate to even think it but he may have beat her before asphyxiating her.

that's what i'm thinking, though....

[aubrey04]

I still haven't ruled out sexual assault on Annie. Until LE rules it out, I am not ruling it out. There seem to be a few possible scenarios, imo:

1. He set up the meeting to discuss his issue with her cleanliness in the lab. He didn't like her reactions to him - maybe he felt she was wasn't taking him seriously & was blowing him off.. or maybe he thought she was being rude.. and he got angry and flew into a rage, then killed her.

2. He had an obsession with her and was getting anxious about her wedding.. he set up the meeting as a rouse to get her to talk to him, so he could try to woo her. She rebuffed his advances and he went crazy. (This scenario could have a sexual assault involved).

Those are my two top theories right now.

[Ice Cycle]

Here's one with tons of info.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/yale-annie-le/hc-raymond-clark-arrest-annie-le-yale,0,6985977.story

RIP, Annie.

Sounds like they don't know what it was about and just calling it workplace crime or for some reason there being hush about it.
TY for the link, be back later.

[SavannahStar]

I still haven't ruled out sexual assault on Annie. Until LE rules it out, I am not ruling it out. There seem to be a few possible scenarios, imo:

1. He set up the meeting to discuss his issue with her cleanliness in the lab. He didn't like her reactions to him - maybe he felt she was wasn't taking him seriously & was blowing him off.. or maybe he thought she was being rude.. and he got angry and flew into a rage, then killed her.

2. He had an obsession with her and was getting anxious about her wedding.. he set up the meeting as a rouse to get her to talk to him, so he could try to woo her. She rebuffed his advances and he went crazy. (This scenario could have a sexual assault involved).

Those are my two top theories right now.

My theory is your #1.

[Scampi]

i agree....if there was anything "romantic" it was all in Raymond's mind, imo...i hope she wasn't raped:(

so the 3 million is reduced to actually 300,000 right?

I think you're right Mel, it's 10%. I hope the "generous" CT family who reportedly stepped up to help out casey anthony, doesn't decide help out another alleged killer. :cuss:

[FrankieBones1]

that's what i'm thinking, though....
It would explain the blood. I can't see that it would be his blood if he only had scratches on him.

If it's true that he was seen with scratches it should help with getting this guy put away forever. Hopefully Anne's fingernails have his DNA under them.

[Destini]

Did he say in the presser there was no sexual assault? Because I found a news link that says that. I'm hesitant to put it here because of all the misinformation.

[FrankieBones1]

I guess I'm really perplexed why LE choose to categorize it as a "workplace crime" (verbatim). If they said "workplace violence", that's one thing, but I didn't hear it, although my computer sound was low. So they're insinuating that this was all about someone doing wrong because of real or perceived injustices relating to work (assignments, promotions, jealousies, etc).

Otherwise, say two domestically-related people who work for the same company, one suspects that the other is uunfaithful, and commits a crime as a consequence. Is it "workplace violence" because it happened at work, or is it "domestic violence" because it involved a domestic situation?I'm not bothered by the term they used. A crime includes violent murder and it happened in the workplace.

[Tacori]

Sounds like they don't know what it was about and just calling it workplace crime or for some reason there being hush about it.
TY for the link, be back later.

The reason he didn't say more is because the arrest warrant is sealed and he wouldn't talk about anything in the sealed warrant. I'm sure it's all laid out in there...

[Scampi]

Hiya Scamp! :seeya:

I am SO relieved as well!

What a MONSTER this creep is! I hope the DP is on the table right out of the shoot!

Justice for Annie! :rose:


Hiya Wolfie!! I agree, a message has to be sent that open season on women is OVER.

[lilismom]

Good morning all. Sooooo glad to read that he's been arrested. Off to catch up!

IMO,
Lilismom

[Tacori]

I'm not bothered by the term they used. A crime includes violent murder and it happened in the workplace.

Nor am I. He did talk about knowing who you work with tho...

[SavannahStar]

I'm not bothered by the term they used. A crime includes violent murder and it happened in the workplace.

Exactly.........

[lilismom]

I'm not bothered by the term they used. A crime includes violent murder and it happened in the workplace.

Me either. I feel like they wanted to put to rest any romantic connection between these two as well. They weren't involved, they worked together and he killed her. Period.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Tacori]

Did he say in the presser there was no sexual assault? Because I found a news link that says that. I'm hesitant to put it here because of all the misinformation.

What I heard him say was that there wasn't a sexual relationship - squashing a rumor that was out there. He wouldn't address S/A.

[Scampi]

Did he say in the presser there was no sexual assault? Because I found a news link that says that. I'm hesitant to put it here because of all the misinformation.

Chief Lewis did not categorically state there was no sexual assault, he did say that the only charge right now, is murder and that there could be addtional charges based on the evidence.

[Mel]

I think you're right Mel, it's 10%. I hope the "generous" CT family who reportedly stepped up to help out casey anthony, doesn't decide help out another alleged killer. :cuss:

heaven forbid!!!!

& something else i've noticed...have you seen all those pictures on the internet of Raymond???..lots & lots of them...there's no doubt in my mind that his GF released those pictures to the media....i truly think she's the one that called LE about his clothing & the scratches....good for her!!!!!

[Destini]

Chief Lewis did not categorically state there was no sexual assault, he did say that the only charge right now, is murder and that there could be addtional charges based on the evidence.

Thanks, must just be misreporting by that news site.

[Circa1981]

The Fiance of RC has deleted her facebook account, and Bebo account

[Survivor]

The Fiance of RC has deleted her facebook account, and Bebo account

Smart gal IMO:thumbup:

[CanCan]

k brb:chicken::chicken:

:lol: It's only 8:50 in the morning..........and already I gotta change my undies............BRB.............

[Scampi]

According to LE, this had only to do with the workplace, the fact that she was a woman seems secondary. I guess we should be declaring that a message should be sent that violence in the workplace will not be tolerated ... that the open season on co-workers is over. (Sarcasm intended)


Because of the reported problems raymond has had with women in the past, I think he absolutely had more of a problem with Annie because she was a woman.

I respect your contrary opinion tho.

Also interesting is that in one of those earlier reports someone predicted that raymond was the type to "go postal." That person nailed him. imo.

[JHP]

heaven forbid!!!!

& something else i've noticed...have you seen all those pictures on the internet of Raymond???..lots & lots of them...there's no doubt in my mind that his GF released those pictures to the media....i truly think she's the one that called LE about his clothing & the scratches....good for her!!!!!

I do know it was said she was still with him on Sunday. I do imagine her family, if she has any are quite glad he has been arrested and that she's still alive.

[Circa1981]

IMO, there was an altercation and he threatened her and backwards and forwards, he got out of hand and she fought back and wasn't going to give up, but he was stronger. He couldn't control his temper.

[Survivor]

It makes sense that LE meant consensual relationship.

And everyone knows that strangulation very typically involves sexual assault or the intent to sexually assault.


.....SAY WHAT.... it does??? :confused: Got a link fot that "common knowledge?"

[smileyjoe]

Can anyone tell me about the text messages Please?

[dref99]

I guess I'm really perplexed why LE choose to categorize it as a "workplace crime" (verbatim). If they said "workplace violence", that's one thing, but I didn't hear it, although my computer sound was low. So they're insinuating that this was all about someone doing wrong because of real or perceived injustices relating to work (assignments, promotions, jealousies, etc).

Otherwise, say two domestically-related people who work for the same company, one suspects that the other is uunfaithful, and commits a crime as a consequence. Is it "workplace violence" because it happened at work, or is it "domestic violence" because it involved a domestic situation?

To me, this happened too close to her wedding. That really sticks out to me. It strikes me as a weird infatuation. Strangulation is typically associated with sex or desire.

I just found the full pc and it was stated as "workplace violence" - the term seems to have been used to differentiate from domestic violence or "street crime" with a perp not known to the victim. This is my summary - but worth listening to the video

Police Chief
Clark arrested 3 million bond
300 items of evidence
arrest warrant is sealed - so detail cannot be discussed
this is not about Urban crime, street crime, university crime, domestic crime
but it is an issue of workplace violence which is a growing concern around the country

4 police departments thanking each other
(FBI spokeswoman thanked someone in relation to lie detector tests but then would not give results nor confirm that any took place.)

Q/A
Cannot confirm dna match - in sealed document
reviewed tapes interviewed 150 people
No romantic relationship (this was in answer to a question about rumours over the past week)
current charge is murder
more charges are always possible

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/news_wtnh_new_haven_le_clark_dna_200909170510

jmo

[doradoll]

I still haven't ruled out sexual assault on Annie. Until LE rules it out, I am not ruling it out. There seem to be a few possible scenarios, imo:

1. He set up the meeting to discuss his issue with her cleanliness in the lab. He didn't like her reactions to him - maybe he felt she was wasn't taking him seriously & was blowing him off.. or maybe he thought she was being rude.. and he got angry and flew into a rage, then killed her.

2. He had an obsession with her and was getting anxious about her wedding.. he set up the meeting as a rouse to get her to talk to him, so he could try to woo her. She rebuffed his advances and he went crazy. (This scenario could have a sexual assault involved).

Those are my two top theories right now.

my thoughts, also

it will be interesting to see what kind of upbringing and past experiences he had

[n/t]

Can anyone tell me about the text messages Please?

ABC News has also learned that Clark sent a text message to Le early Tuesday, Sept. 8, requesting a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of the the cages of the mice in the research lab.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970

[lilismom]

It makes sense that LE meant consensual relationship.

And everyone knows that strangulation very typically involves sexual assault or the intent to sexually assault.


I could be wrong but I don't think Annie was sexually assaulted and I don't think there was any "relationship" between these two. In the end, this was about his power over her. IMO, people use strangulation because it is a clean murder. Up close and personal yes, but clean. Sick to think he probably looked right at her and watched her die. I hope he's haunted with those visions.

IMO,
Lilismom

[smileyjoe]

ABC News has also learned that Clark sent a text message to Le early Tuesday, Sept. 8, requesting a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of the the cages of the mice in the research lab.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970


Thank you n/t

:smile:

[Tacori]

Can anyone tell me about the text messages Please?

"ABC News has also learned that Clark sent a text message to Le early Tuesday, Sept. 8, requesting a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of the cages of the research mice."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-case-police-arrest-ray-clark-murder/Story?id=8598755&page=1

[Rayosunshine]

yes they do, my boss always laughs at me because i always call people by their wrong names.....and i call them by their wrong names with confidence. :glare:

ok i'm pm'd coldwater! thanks all. omg i'm still shaking

Is ok tbrito, an honest mistake and a system that won't let you correct. But, we are human, we can understand and forgive. I know it was an error, but was floored when I read it, cause I've seen some wild things on the boards in the past that I never thought I would ever see.

[smileyjoe]

"ABC News has also learned that Clark sent a text message to Le early Tuesday, Sept. 8, requesting a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of the cages of the research mice."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-case-police-arrest-ray-clark-murder/Story?id=8598755&page=1


Well, he had worked himself into a lather, apparently. I cannot believe that this is just about mice cage cleanliness.

otoh.. maybe it is.

[Scampi]

ABC News has also learned that Clark sent a text message to Le early Tuesday, Sept. 8, requesting a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of the the cages of the mice in the research lab.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970

This is the part I don't understand. Why the text about the cleanliness of the cages. That was his job, not Annies.

I tend to agree he had an obsession with her too, this violence speaks of a very emotional response from raymond. I think his little feelings were rebuffed and he became enraged. Annie paid a very stiff price for raymond's hurt ego.

I still believe there is a very good chance he raped her.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hiya Wolfie!! I agree, a message has to be sent that open season on women is OVER.

It's not all women, especially in the workplace. :no:

http://cfc.wjla.com/videoondemand.cfm?id=48741

The idea of using a tragic homicide to further an agenda like "open season on women" isn't reflective of what we know at this point IMO.

People are angry and out of control and it's not limited to men from what I read.

Annie deserves better IMO and I am praying justice will prevail for Annie herself, and all those who love her. :rose:

[Rayosunshine]

Delays -- I wonder if the judge is requiring more/better DNA results; maybe they rushed it or used a lab not recognized by CT.

Forgetting people's names -- If it helps, researchers say that when memory goes, names of things ... you know, uh, whachamacallit and whats-his-name ... are the first to go. People are better able to remember verbs, adjectives etc better.

Not sure it it's done to match DNA, but learned that there is a "scientific method", where a test must be done 3 times with same results to be considered accurate. Could be what took so much time.

[GumShoeJoe]

ABC News has also learned that Clark sent a text message to Le early Tuesday, Sept. 8, requesting a meeting to discuss the cleanliness of the the cages of the mice in the research lab.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970


Who knows? Maybe she complained about the job he was doing?

[Rayosunshine]

I don't think this has anything to do with mice and cleanliness of their cages. I am leaning toward an insane jealousy - he had for her because of her position in society - working on her Doctorate. He probably singled her out, thinking she was the weakest and made her his mark. i bet he hates himself because he was in what he considered to be a lowly position at the prestigious Yale and probably knew he would never be more than that.

[KittyMom]

Is it safe for me to be here today, or am I still on the bad list?

[KatieLady]

I was so happy to wake up to the news this morning!

But the East Coast really needs to wait until the West is up....all the good stuff happens while I am asleep :angry:

Prayers for Annie and her family....I hope they get the answers they deserve :rose:

[StickyBeak]

It seems at least that Annie herself thought the request legitimate enough to meet him over it.

I work in the industry, and both researchers and animal techs are supposed to comply with the cleanliness rules, but the animal tech works in the room and has the ultimate responsibility. This all seems legit to me. She made a mess, she was supposed to clean it, he had to clean it, he complained, she met him to discuss it.

I started to think the opposite Scienter, perhaps Annie complained that RC's work was negligent and compromising her test studies. Perhaps he had been warned before and his job possibly compromised.
So he confronted Annie to discuss her complaint and somehow it escalated to included something to the effect, You think you are so much better than me. JMO

[CanCan]

Oh, good grief. Apparently he was in that area again on Friday night!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/17/earlyshow/main5317185.shtml

(snipped)

CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston spoke to a medical student who, like Le, worked alongside Clark. She requested that CBS News obscure her face and voice.

Friday night, three days after Le vanished, and before her body was found, the woman says she was in the basement, about five feet from him for roughly three minutes.

"He appeared very relaxed, very normal," the woman told Pinkston. "I didn't sense any anything different in his behavior from what I'd observed previously."

Only essential personnel could access the basement lab, by swiping key cards at multiple access points, Pinkston points out. The area was highly secured. And researchers typically worked alone.

The med student observed to Pinkston that it is "so secluded down there," the woman said, "soundproof, and nobody is ever looking for you, nobody questions when you go into a room for several hours and don't come out."

The perfect place, Pinkston noted, for a murder.

Last night I said that I believe RC lured Annie to the lab with a text message..........and learning how secluded the basement area is only bolsters my theory. :mellow:

jmo

[Tacori]

They found bloody surgical gloves too - first time I've heard that.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8600252

[lilismom]

If strangulation is a "clean murder"..where did the bloddy clothes come from?

I didn't say she didn't fight back and thank god she did. Cleaner than other ways to murder someone was my point.

Some random thoughts:

I just read something that said he had scratches on his chest, arms and back. Begs the question...did he have his shirt off? If so, why? Or did Annie just fight to the bitter end and pull his shirt off etc.?

Now we hear that he may have lured her there. To murder her? Hmm, the sloppiness and security concerns make me doubt that.

He was in and out of the building 10 times that day. Not just in and around the building, in and out. And was the last one to swipe in that day and after Annie.

Still so many questions.

IMO,
Lilismom

[SavannahStar]

but wasn't it HIS job to clean the cages? so he get's pissed off that Annie didn't keep the cages clean and kills her? NOPE DON"T BUY IT!


Wanting to meet with her re cleanliness of the cages does NOT necessarily negate the fact that it was his job not hers! IMO. It does NOT say, "he wanted to meet with her because he thought she didn't keep the cages clean." We are reading something into the message that is NOT there.

[KittyMom]

I still lubs ya:wub: KittyMom:biggrin:

Thanks! I wuvs u 2! :wub:

[KittyMom]

Last night I said that I believe RC lured Annie to the lab with a text message..........and learning how secluded the basement area is only bolsters my theory. :mellow:

jmo

I wonder if that could be looked at as premeditation?

[KatieLady]

I wonder if that could be looked at as premeditation?

You would think so wouldn't you? But I am sure his attorney will say he wasn't angry at her...just wanted to talk and then she started it. He was only defending himself :rolleyes: IMO

[FrankieBones1]

I started to think the opposite Scienter, perhaps Annie complained that RC's work was negligent and compromising her test studies. Perhaps he had been warned before and his job possibly compromised.
So he confronted Annie to discuss her complaint and somehow it escalated to included something to the effect, You think you are so much better than me. JMOInteresting theory, StickyBeak and quite possible, in my opinion.

[aubrey04]

Here is the link of the neighbor, Anne Marie Goodwin, who said that Clark was controlling towards his girlfriend, wouldn't let her talk to anyone.. She heard screaming from the apartment often and.. she claims he screamed at her teenage son. Amongst other things.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/15/2009-09-15_cops_set_to_reveal_yale_student_annie_le_cause_ of_death_hope_to_make_arrest_tues.html

[FrankieBones1]

Wanting to meet with her re cleanliness of the cages does NOT necessarily negate the fact that it was his job not hers! IMO. It does NOT say, "he wanted to meet with her because he thought she didn't keep the cages clean." We are reading something into the message that is NOT there.

Is the text message available now? LE sure is quick to release info, aren't they?

[lilismom]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970

"Blood spatter was found on a laundry cart, and a bead from her necklace was found on the floor of the basement lab where she was killed and stuffed into a wall panel. Police also found a pair of bloody surgical gloves."


Sounds like he shoulda just walked himself right over to the police station and turned himself in with all that was left behind.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Tacori]

From the reports linked before:

"Clark, a 2004 graduate of Branford High School, belonged to three clubs, according to his yearbook; one that focused on Asian culture, another that drew attention to the plight of the homeless, and a third that stressed charity.

In the group picture of the Asian Awareness Club, he is standing, bespectacled, his hair short and combed back, next to a female Asian student. The group cooked authentic Asian dinners, and on Jan. 22, 2004, visited New York's Chinatown to participate in New Year festivities."

"Yale University President Richard C. Levin released a statement that said in part, "Mr. Clark has been a lab technician at Yale since December 2004."

---------------------------------------------------------------

So he started working at the lab before he graduated from HS?

[texasgal]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970

"Blood spatter was found on a laundry cart, and a bead from her necklace was found on the floor of the basement lab where she was killed and stuffed into a wall panel. Police also found a pair of bloody surgical gloves."


Sounds like he shoulda just walked himself right over to the police station and turned himself in with all that was left behind.

IMO,
Lilismom

Which, for me, goes back to he didn't plan the murder.. the confrontation, maybe, but not the murder.. Once he crossed that line and layed his hands on her, he felt there was no turning back .. or his rage left him unable to stop ..

What makes a 24 year old young man so controlling and full of rage?? I think we'll find out more about his youth during this also ..

[SavannahStar]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970

"Blood spatter was found on a laundry cart, and a bead from her necklace was found on the floor of the basement lab where she was killed and stuffed into a wall panel. Police also found a pair of bloody surgical gloves."


Sounds like he shoulda just walked himself right over to the police station and turned himself in with all that was left behind.

IMO,
Lilismom

Really!

I'm just still not seeing him planning this murder. No way.

I do not believe the text message was a "lure" to get her there to kill her.

My opinion could change with more evidence of course.

[darjeeling]

From the reports linked before:

"Clark, a 2004 graduate of Branford High School, belonged to three clubs, according to his yearbook; one that focused on Asian culture, another that drew attention to the plight of the homeless, and a third that stressed charity.

In the group picture of the Asian Awareness Club, he is standing, bespectacled, his hair short and combed back, next to a female Asian student. The group cooked authentic Asian dinners, and on Jan. 22, 2004, visited New York's Chinatown to participate in New Year festivities."

"Yale University President Richard C. Levin released a statement that said in part, "Mr. Clark has been a lab technician at Yale since December 2004."

---------------------------------------------------------------

So he started working at the lab before he graduated from HS?

He probably graduated from HS in June 2004.

[n/t]

This is the part I don't understand. Why the text about the cleanliness of the cages. That was his job, not Annies.

I tend to agree he had an obsession with her too, this violence speaks of a very emotional response from raymond. I think his little feelings were rebuffed and he became enraged. Annie paid a very stiff price for raymond's hurt ego.

I still believe there is a very good chance he raped her.

You're absolutely right. It was his job. Maybe Annie finally had had enough and was going to confront him. Who knows. He may have been harrassing/bullying her (which is very common in a workplace) and she finally wanted to put an end to it. She may have even threatened to report him to his supervisor. It had nothing to do with cleanliness, mice or whatever. I think he was out to get her and used that as an excuse.

[Tacori]

He probably graduated from HS in June 2004.

Right - I just didn't realize he'd started working there before he graduated from HS.

[KatieLady]

You're absolutely right. It was his job. Maybe Annie finally had had enough and was going to confront him. Who knows. He may have been harrassing/bullying her (which is very common in a workplace) and she finally wanted to put an end to it. She may have even threatened to report him to his supervisor. It had nothing to do with cleanliness, mice or whatever. I think he was out to get her and used that as an excuse.

Morning n/t :wub:

I pray that her family will get an answer as to why....I just can't imagine never knowing why this horrible thing happened to my child. It would drive me crazy :sad:

[lilismom]

Which, for me, goes back to he didn't plan the murder.. the confrontation, maybe, but not the murder.. Once he crossed that line and layed his hands on her, he felt there was no turning back .. or his rage inabled him to stop ..

What makes a 24 year old young man so controlling and full of rage?? I think we'll find out more about his youth during this also ..


I agree with you. He probably hated her but I don't think he planned to kill her. Who knows what went on between these two and I don't mean anything intimate. A snide remark here. A nasty email there. A truce. She thinks he's "over it". He's still stewing. Then back to the same. Round and round we go. She was busy and focused on research and he was busy and focused on the clean up. What makes her so special kind of thing. KWIM? Bet the GF heard allllll about Annie and her messes. Will be interesting to hear her full story.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Ladyhawk]

This is the part I don't understand. Why the text about the cleanliness of the cages. That was his job, not Annies.

I tend to agree he had an obsession with her too, this violence speaks of a very emotional response from raymond. I think his little feelings were rebuffed and he became enraged. Annie paid a very stiff price for raymond's hurt ego.

I still believe there is a very good chance he raped her.

Morning Scampi...unfortunately we don't know of any verbal communications they may have had. His email to her re the protocal indicates to me that there may have been discussions about the mice that could be a trigger to his murderous actions. She may have requested he clean the cages a particular way or something and in his mind he interpreted her request as a criticism of his job performance and an insinuation that he wasn't keeping them clean enough. Heck, his care of the animals might have been subpar and was causing a negative effect on her research.

[darjeeling]

Right - I just didn't realize he'd started working there before he graduated.

Wot do you mean? Didn't he graduate in June and then started working at Yale in December?

[Scampi]

They found bloody surgical gloves too - first time I've heard that.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8600252

If this blood is hers, where in the heck is it coming from, what the hell did he do to Annie? :cuss:

[sunstar]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970

"Blood spatter was found on a laundry cart, and a bead from her necklace was found on the floor of the basement lab where she was killed and stuffed into a wall panel. Police also found a pair of bloody surgical gloves."


Sounds like he shoulda just walked himself right over to the police station and turned himself in with all that was left behind.

IMO,
Lilismom
Good morning! I'm just glad it was sloppy enough to leave behind evidence ~ and hopefully enough evidence to convict!!

Justice for Annie :rose:

[Barbara fl.]

I didn't say she didn't fight back and thank god she did. Cleaner than other ways to murder someone was my point.

Some random thoughts:

I just read something that said he had scratches on his chest, arms and back. Begs the question...did he have his shirt off? If so, why? Or did Annie just fight to the bitter end and pull his shirt off etc.?

Now we hear that he may have lured her there. To murder her? Hmm, the sloppiness and security concerns make me doubt that.

He was in and out of the building 10 times that day. Not just in and around the building, in and out. And was the last one to swipe in that day and after Annie.

Still so many questions.

IMO,
Lilismom


It is a good thing that she did fight back, I believe that the scratches down his arm were real bad...They focused in on him almost right away from his movements around the building....

Now they are calling it "workplace violence"...That doesn't sound right to me....what could she have done to make him mad enough to murder her...It doesn't seem that she was raped....so Why would he have done this?....I hope he confesses, only then will we know what and why it happened.....but I'm sure his lawyer advised him to be quiet....

[Tacori]

Wot do you mean? Didn't he graduate in June and then started working at Yale in December?

You're right! I need more coffee!!!:lol:

[KittyMom]

The bloody gloves really bother me. If it's Annie's blood it sounds like it beat her. She was so tiny. It would be like beating a child.

[KatieLady]

I think that most states do not requires "plans" to convict someone of murder; instead, they allow down to a fraction of a second to decide to murder. So, while it may soothe people's minds that he may not have "schemed" to do this, he may have nevertheless "decided" to murder, in which case it would legally be murder. I do not know what CT has for degrees of murder or manslaughter, so there's more sorting out to do before determining the degree of guilt ... that's what a jury does.

IMO It can have an impact on weather or not the State seeks the Death Penalty tho

[KittyMom]

Has anyone heard of Annie's body has been released to her family? Any funeral plans announced?

[KatieLady]

Has anyone heard of Annie's body has been released to her family? Any funeral plans announced?

I wondered the same last night...haven't heard a word

[Tacori]

If this blood is hers, where in the heck is it coming from, what the hell did he do to Annie? :cuss:

My thoughts exactly.

I go back to what we were talking about yesterday - and the comment made by that reporter.

[Barbara fl.]

Morning Scampi...unfortunately we don't know of any verbal communications they may have had. His email to her re the protocal indicates to me that there may have been discussions about the mice that could be a trigger to his murderous actions. She may have requested he clean the cages a particular way or something and in his mind he interpreted her request as a criticism of his job performance and an insinuation that he wasn't keeping them clean enough. Heck, his care of the animals might have been subpar and was causing a negative effect on her research.


Your theory sounds the best so far....there was no rape mentioned, it didn't seem to be a love affair, so, yes, it sounds like the most logical (not that murder is logical) but he might have began to detest her...

But her friends say that she was so sweet to everyone and had a great personality....doesn't sound like a complainer to me, but you never know, maybe she rubbed him the wrong way and he lost it.....

[no1what]

:lol: It's only 8:50 in the morning..........and already I gotta change my undies............BRB.............



From now on, only depends for you.


:thumbsup:

[CanCan]

If the reports about the text messages are true, I believe it was premeditated. I think he planned to murder her that morning. Of course, as with most crimes especially first offenders, they botch the job. He didn't think of everything such as using her card, hiding the clothes in the ceiling, etc.

He probably figured he could lure her down to the basement, get her in the other lab room, strangle her (he probably thought he could overpower her without a struggle) but she didn't and left scratches on his chest and blood evidence, and put her body in the wall.

I won't be surprised if we start to hear about workplace incidents involving Annie and RC. We know that there was a previous email from him to her. I also believe the family and/or fiance knew there were issues with this guy and they may have given LE information.

I think Annie was caught offguard and put up a struggle which ultimately resulted in leaving enough evidence to get him.

All speculation based on what I could gather from the media reports.

:bored: Yep. I totally agree on the premeditated, only I believe that originally RC lured Annie down to the lab to put the moves on her - since her wedding day was looming - and I recall that Tuesday may have been her final day at work before her wedding. So Tuesday was RC's "last chance" to "have" Annie. When she rebuffed RC's advances........he went into a rage.

jmo

[Track292003]

How tall is Ray Clark and how much does he weigh?

I have simply not been able to read every single page all the way through, so apologize if these questions have been answered.

[CanCan]

It is strange that he would be back at that particular lab after somebody went missing from there. Police were probally watching him for sure. jmo

:angry: It's like Little Scotty Peterson returning to the Bay for a look-see.

jmo

[ginky41]

Sure was glad to wake up and learn that RC had been arrested. :thumbsup: I don't care what charge they have him on right now, at least they have him off the streets. I'm sure all the applicable charges will be forthcoming.

This guy's attitude is alarming to me. Someone mentioned on the last thread how he didn't seem like the typical guilty person as he was not hiding his head when they carted him out in cuffs and such. He does sort of seem "detatched" from all of this IMO. I realize I'm seeing only a smidge of what's really going on but the look in his eyes is creepy - like he doesn't really care what's happening to him.

Anyone else see the same thing?

[KatieLady]

How tall is Ray Clark and how much does he weigh?

I have simply not been able to read every single page all the way through, so apologize if these questions have been answered.

He doesn't look very tall to me....and see where the press is describing him as muscular. You can see that his arms are really big in his pictures IMO

[Scampi]

I agree with you. He probably hated her but I don't think he planned to kill her. Who knows what went on between these two and I don't mean anything intimate. A snide remark here. A nasty email there. A truce. She thinks he's "over it". He's still stewing. Then back to the same. Round and round we go. She was busy and focused on research and he was busy and focused on the clean up. What makes her so special kind of thing. KWIM? Bet the GF heard allllll about Annie and her messes. Will be interesting to hear her full story.

IMO,
Lilismom

Hi Lil, I think you hit on something, this resentment was simmering for a long time and boiled over that day.

Oh and I just wanted to mention that when they do unseal documents, even tho CT does not have the generous sunshine law that Florida has, reporters can still get information under the Freedom of Information Act, imo.

[KatieLady]

:angry: It's like Little Scotty Peterson returning to the Bay for a look-see.

jmo

Same thing I thought of :cursing:

[KittyMom]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2184545/raymond_clark_arrest_brings_forth_awareness.html?c at=9

Raymond Clark Arrest Brings Forth Awareness of Workplace Violence

When I think of workplace violence, I think of the news stories of people going into the workplace and shooting it up. I don't think I've ever heard of a co-worker killing someone, hiding the body and it being called workplace violence. Anyone else remember such a case?

[n/t]

Morning n/t :wub:

I pray that her family will get an answer as to why....I just can't imagine never knowing why this horrible thing happened to my child. It would drive me crazy :sad:

Morning :wub:

[texasgal]

My thoughts exactly.

I go back to what we were talking about yesterday - and the comment made by that reporter.


IMO he didn't have enough time to dismember her and then clean up the mess ..

Blood could come from a busted lip, a laceration on her head from hitting the wall, or floor. He also may not have counted on her possibly bleeding post-mortem from the mouth and nose.

I know "bloody gloves" conjurs up images of blood soaked gloves, but it could have been as simple as him putting gloves on to move her body because there was blood present .. and then his cleaning up the smears ..

IMO

[lilismom]

Same thing I thought of :cursing:

Think of him bumping his head on the prison van and you'll put a smile back on your face!

IMO,
Lilismom

[KatieLady]

Think of him bumping his head on the prison van and you'll put a smile back on your face!

IMO,
Lilismom

LOL and in fact it did! :thumbsup:

[Scampi]

My thoughts exactly.

I go back to what we were talking about yesterday - and the comment made by that reporter.

If that's the case, this crime is particularly heinous, imo. I pray that it isn't true. We'll know in time tho.....

[SavannahStar]

Sure was glad to wake up and learn that RC had been arrested. :thumbsup: I don't care what charge they have him on right now, at least they have him off the streets. I'm sure all the applicable charges will be forthcoming.

This guy's attitude is alarming to me. Someone mentioned on the last thread how he didn't seem like the typical guilty person as he was not hiding his head when they carted him out in cuffs and such. He does sort of seem "detatched" from all of this IMO. I realize I'm seeing only a smidge of what's really going on but the look in his eyes is creepy - like he doesn't really care what's happening to him.

Anyone else see the same thing?

He looked frightened to me. Almost a "lack of affect" due to being afraid. So he didn't seem detached to me.

[Barbara fl.]

Sure was glad to wake up and learn that RC had been arrested. :thumbsup: I don't care what charge they have him on right now, at least they have him off the streets. I'm sure all the applicable charges will be forthcoming.

This guy's attitude is alarming to me. Someone mentioned on the last thread how he didn't seem like the typical guilty person as he was not hiding his head when they carted him out in cuffs and such. He does sort of seem "detatched" from all of this IMO. I realize I'm seeing only a smidge of what's really going on but the look in his eyes is creepy - like he doesn't really care what's happening to him.

Anyone else see the same thing?

I saw his look a little different...he appeared to be scared, his eyes seemed to be staring into space as though he was thinking (this is it)...

[SavannahStar]

IMO he didn't have enough time to dismember her and then clean up the mess ..

Blood could come from a busted lip, a laceration on her head from hitting the wall, or floor. He also may not have counted on her possibly bleeding post-mortem from the mouth and nose.

I know "bloody gloves" conjurs up images of blood soaked gloves, but it could have been as simple as him putting gloves on to move her body because there was blood present .. and then his cleaning up the smears ..

IMO

I totally agree with this.

[no1what]

Sure was glad to wake up and learn that RC had been arrested. :thumbsup: I don't care what charge they have him on right now, at least they have him off the streets. I'm sure all the applicable charges will be forthcoming.

This guy's attitude is alarming to me. Someone mentioned on the last thread how he didn't seem like the typical guilty person as he was not hiding his head when they carted him out in cuffs and such. He does sort of seem "detatched" from all of this IMO. I realize I'm seeing only a smidge of what's really going on but the look in his eyes is creepy - like he doesn't really care what's happening to him.

Anyone else see the same thing?


I did notice that he kind of has the Casey Anthony glaze going on.


:scared:

[lilismom]

IMO he didn't have enough time to dismember her and then clean up the mess ..

Blood could come from a busted lip, a laceration on her head from hitting the wall, or floor. He also may not have counted on her possibly bleeding post-mortem from the mouth and nose.

I know "bloody gloves" conjurs up images of blood soaked gloves, but it could have been as simple as him putting gloves on to move her body because there was blood present .. and then his cleaning up the smears ..

IMO

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-suspect-raymond-clark-released-giving-dna/story?id=8588970


"Police were able to track Clark's movements by reviewing the data from his digital key card, which shows he entered the building no fewer than 10 times, including after hours, on the day Le went missing, according to law enforcement sources."



In and out 10 times including after hours and he STILL left stuff behind? I pray that Annie was not dismembered. Stuffed into a wall and left there for days is horrible enough. OMG.

Some of the blood could be his too. Hopefully Annie got in a good shot to the nose or mouth not to mention the youknowwhats. I feel like this started with a discussion/argument. He was gonna tell her kinda thing. No woman is gonna tell me my job. I run ths joint type deal. She gave him what for, finally, and he slapped her. Poor Annie ends up in a wall.

Heartbreaking.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara fl.]

IMO he didn't have enough time to dismember her and then clean up the mess ..

Blood could come from a busted lip, a laceration on her head from hitting the wall, or floor. He also may not have counted on her possibly bleeding post-mortem from the mouth and nose.

I know "bloody gloves" conjurs up images of blood soaked gloves, but it could have been as simple as him putting gloves on to move her body because there was blood present .. and then his cleaning up the smears ..

IMO


If they can prove that he used gloves to murder her with, then intent can be proven.....they say she was sufficated, does that mean stangulation by hands? And if so wouldn't his DNA be on her throat? Because if they do not find any on her , then it would probably be thought that he used the gloves so that he wouldn't leave any evidence behind.....just a thought...

[KittyMom]

http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2009-09/49317601.jpg

Looks like an "oh, chit, what've I done" look to me.

[texasgal]

He looked frightened to me. Almost a "lack of affect" due to being afraid. So he didn't seem detached to me.

Me too, SS. I think he knows he's totally done it now .. and contemplating the rest of his life ..

[CanCan]

I still haven't ruled out sexual assault on Annie. Until LE rules it out, I am not ruling it out. There seem to be a few possible scenarios, imo:

1. He set up the meeting to discuss his issue with her cleanliness in the lab. He didn't like her reactions to him - maybe he felt she was wasn't taking him seriously & was blowing him off.. or maybe he thought she was being rude.. and he got angry and flew into a rage, then killed her.

2. He had an obsession with her and was getting anxious about her wedding.. he set up the meeting as a rouse to get her to talk to him, so he could try to woo her. She rebuffed his advances and he went crazy. (This scenario could have a sexual assault involved).

Those are my two top theories right now.

:wink: Most definitely #2. This guy didn't give a rat's azz about those rats.

jmo

[sunstar]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2184545/raymond_clark_arrest_brings_forth_awareness.html?c at=9

Raymond Clark Arrest Brings Forth Awareness of Workplace Violence

When I think of workplace violence, I think of the news stories of people going into the workplace and shooting it up. I don't think I've ever heard of a co-worker killing someone, hiding the body and it being called workplace violence. Anyone else remember such a case?
I don't either, KM. And I agree with you, I'd think of somebody going ballistic on more than one co-worker, usually a shooting. MOO