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Postergeist

09-14-2009, 03:59 PM

I got phenergan at the Dr. so I'll see you guys in about a month. Love you all! :sleep:

<snip> oh Lavinia- are you still feeling puny- or as one of our dear posters says "have the feel bads"?

I was just thinking that a nap may be just what a few posters need to recharge their happy dispositions. :biggrin:

(o/t I can not take phenergan at all- it has the opposite effect for me)

legalmania

09-14-2009, 03:59 PM

I call them as I see them. And I don't make excuses for myself.

Ya right, I believe that.:tonguewag:

Lavinia

09-14-2009, 03:59 PM

Enjoy your sleep Lavinia...we will miss you, but will catch you up to date on the case when you return.

Hope you're feeling better soon! :wub:

Thanks sweetie! I'll be back!

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:00 PM

Wow, NOW I'm not understanding. "I even heard king pin boy Casey must have had some real connections". Who is king pin boy and why must Casey have had connections? :confused:

You are getting sleepy very very sleepy. Goodnight.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:02 PM

Drug lords?????????????:scared:

No way! Not involved! They (the drug lords) are not that dumb are they?
Normally they just sell that stuff and don´d use it on themselves, don´t they?:mellow:
LL

Casey couldn't afford to even carry the toilet paper for a drug lord.

summer

09-14-2009, 04:02 PM

Thanks sweetie! I'll be back!

Take care of yourself Lavinia... you're going to wake up like Sleeping Beauty!!!

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 04:02 PM

and/or scared of going down with her.

hmm- hadn't thought of that, but it sure never stopped Cindy.

(of course, Casey's lawyers could finger point and say it was Cindy/George that did google searches on chloroform, shovels, missing children, et al- guess they could try to point the finger at Lee too, and say that Casey was covering for Lee)

summer

09-14-2009, 04:03 PM

I think in many ways he probably is. Except when he is forced to make a comment, on record, to an authority. Then we hear things like, "To this day, I believe everything my sister tells me."

I never let my guard down on that guy. Rotten to the core IMO.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:04 PM

Holy cranky indeed.

There exisits an inherent problem when using google, windows live and other map searches for cyber sleuthing. National security prohibits live satelite/aerial images, so the dated images tend not show current man made or natural alterations to the topography. I know my area was last captured in April, 08 because I know what was blooming in my garden and when my roomy bought his new car parked in the driveway.

That is where local posters in real time such as yourself are worth more than your weight in gold to us :wub:

I actually captured a jet landing , those poor people have been sitting there for over a year.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:05 PM

Yes it dozzzzzzzz. :sleep: Trade my phenergan for legal's codeine though. :sneaky:

Now, now. Not throwing up is a good thing. :laugh:

margaritaville

09-14-2009, 04:05 PM

How do you scream if your dead?

exactly my point.........

summer

09-14-2009, 04:05 PM

LOL:biggrin::biggrin:guess not...don't agree but people are entitled to their opinion...

I can only speak for myself but I love all intelligent opinion in context -- even if it differs from mine. Intentional provocation is a whole other animal... but that's just my opinion! :wub:

summer

09-14-2009, 04:06 PM

When I first read this...I was reading it as 9 hour academy award performance and thought yeah that's about right, I can see her talking nonstop for that long...:biggrin:

ROFL! It could go either way... :lol::lol:

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:08 PM

LOL:biggrin::biggrin:guess not...don't agree but people are entitled to their opinion...

Imo, it's not an opinion, it's a bid for attention. And ... it worked.

Ellie

09-14-2009, 04:10 PM

POST OF THE DAY (I love this!!)

"CMAAAAAAA! You taught me how to live!"

<retch>

Yeah, okay Lee. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the state of Florida is fixing to teach your CMA how to do the reverse.

ish

09-14-2009, 04:11 PM

Hi ya N2N- sitting here thinking about this. I'm weighing the idea if Lee will even bother to show to the penalty phase.

Thinking back, IRRC only one national tv appearance that Lee made with his parents. I've not seen him plug KF and the M's, I've not seen him tout the Caylee bears, not seen him show up to all the promos/walkathons/race car events. He's not been showing up to any court hearings as a spectator like his parents. He's not been out there for the photo ops with the boat.

Could it be possible that he is so over Casey?

:unsure:

I think Lee may be finished with Casey, he may be hanging in there for his parents sake, supporting them. They will need it when the trial comes and the evidence is spelled out in court. i would think Lee is furious with Casey over all the pain G&C are going thru, remember his comment to Casey early on about not putting him thru what she put Mom thru the last several weeks.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:11 PM

ROFL! It could go either way... :lol::lol:

Maybe they can put twelve big neon X lights over the witness stand and let the jurors "vote" when they've had enough.

(This will make no sense to those who've never watched America's Got Talent. :laugh:)

Jeepers

09-14-2009, 04:13 PM

Yes, definitely is a possibility... as far as Strickland, I personally think he can't stand the blatant attempts at manipulation not to mention the downright lies. His way of politely not giving it credence is to look down...

Very good observation. Thought the same thing. Glad I was not just wanting to see someone that really meant something to this case show a glimspe of disapproval.
I felt so bad for Chief Barry at the beginning of this case. Too bad he retired. I liked to hear him spar a little back at the A's.

Kathlb

09-14-2009, 04:13 PM

Cartel , drug lords, I think I even heard king pin boy Casey must have had some real connections. She must not be very good because she never had any money and had to steal.

So now you are switching sides and touting her guilt? No drugs now? I think we have been "played" folks.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:15 PM

itu...
....

What's itu? :confused:

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:16 PM

Yes it dozzzzzzzz. :sleep: Trade my phenergan for legal's codeine though. :sneaky:

No way, phenergan by itself wouldn't help me at all.

summer

09-14-2009, 04:17 PM

Maybe they can put twelve big neon X lights over the witness stand and let the jurors "vote" when they've had enough.

(This will make no sense to those who've never watched America's Got Talent. :laugh:)

*titter*... I'm wondering if for the first time in history jurors will start laughing halfway through an impact statement..., one by one, it gets contagious (you know how that happens, in a movie theater, class, library) and then break out into uncontrollable spasms of hysteria. And then comes Strickland with the hook and just drags her off the stage.

OK, maybe I'm getting carried away just a tad... :smile:

msgatorslayer

09-14-2009, 04:18 PM

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:18 PM

Or bring in Chuck Barris and the giant Gong((((gong))))

That would work. Or have Simon Cowell in the courtroom and hand him a mike. :laugh:

really3997

09-14-2009, 04:18 PM

summer

09-14-2009, 04:20 PM

summer

09-14-2009, 04:21 PM

I would have to press it as soon as Cindy takes the breath before she speaks

That's so funny.

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 04:21 PM

Imo, it's not an opinion, it's a bid for attention. And ... it worked.

Now Imp, just because some come with their bait and tackle, doesn't mean all the fish bite

:wink:

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:21 PM

*titter*... I'm wondering if for the first time in history jurors will start laughing halfway through an impact statement..., one by one, it gets contagious (you know how that happens, in a movie theater, class, library) and then break out into uncontrollable spasms of hysteria. And then comes Strickland with the hook and just drags her off the stage.

OK, maybe I'm getting carried away just a tad... :smile:

Love the Strickland with the hook visual. :lol:

Maybe one of the jurors will bust out with a "Oh just SHUT UP CINDY!" And others will chime in, "Yeah, just shut the hell up!" ... "Yeah! Shut up!"

Ahhh. I love my fantasy life. :laugh:

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:22 PM

Now Imp, just because some come with their bait and tackle, doesn't mean all the fish bite

:wink:

Tis true. And thank goodness. :thumbup:

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:24 PM

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 04:24 PM

I would have to press it as soon as Cindy takes the breath before she speaks

..... :lol: :lol: .....

no1what

09-14-2009, 04:25 PM

I don't think the defense team has all the evidence that the State is holding. I sure wish we knew what the defense's plans are and which way they plan to go for their client.
It slays me that Casey sits up next to Baez writing little notes and whispering to him every time the state gets up with an argument.
She still doesn't have a clue (just like Cindy and George) the magnitude of this trial forthcoming. moo
June or July of next year.:rolleyes: Whooe. Another year in the slammer Casey with your pork rinds and cup o' soup. Maybe Cindy will send her a JC Penny catalog to look at for beach wear.:lol:

IMO with all that evidence there has to be at least one fingerprint on something that directly connects Casey to the crime. Not prints you expect to find.

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 04:28 PM

I think Lee may be finished with Casey, he may be hanging in there for his parents sake, supporting them. They will need it when the trial comes and the evidence is spelled out in court. i would think Lee is furious with Casey over all the pain G&C are going thru, remember his comment to Casey early on about not putting him thru what she put Mom thru the last several weeks.

yeah, that's another avenue- we know he moved back in with his parents, and I think it's been said that he has gone back to work. But it seems that Brad is the one to fill in for the moral support in public for the A's. I can't even recall Lee being mentioned/around much when George went on his little motel get-away.

Cindy had her attorney call 911 for that, not her son.

From what he said to Tony in the car, Lee doesn't seem to hold his dad in much high regard- but does seem to care more for his mother.

Anyone know if he will have to give testimony in the Amy check case?

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:28 PM

So now you are switching sides and touting her guilt? No drugs now? I think we have been "played" folks.

I posted one story that was true, there is about 2800 drug gangs in and around Orlando, gave a scenario just like everybody has been doing since the day the story broke. As time went on the wording would change. I don't know how many times I heard Casey gives Caylee xanax, you can't get those off the shelves. She didn't have a perscription. So she had to get them from somebody, all her friends say it wasn't them. So I guess it use to rain xanax in Orange County.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:31 PM

One of the most intelligent articles I have read in a while......thnaks cherish

Don't forget to thank Wendy also, she did write it.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:36 PM

And to Wendy..........

It's weird though because Desmom just posted something about a new law in Florida that is going to give the prosecution more power to enforce the DP.

need2no

09-14-2009, 04:37 PM

yeah, that's another avenue- we know he moved back in with his parents, and I think it's been said that he has gone back to work. But it seems that Brad is the one to fill in for the moral support in public for the A's. I can't even recall Lee being mentioned/around much when George went on his little motel get-away.

Cindy had her attorney call 911 for that, not her son.

From what he said to Tony in the car, Lee doesn't seem to hold his dad in much high regard- but does seem to care more for his mother.

Anyone know if he will have to give testimony in the Amy check case?

I can't think of any involvement Lee had with regard to the stolen checks or cashing them, so I don't see why he'd have to testify unless I'm missing or forgetting something. :shrug:

BTW-in regard to Lee doing a victim impact statement....now that I think about it I don't believe Cindy would allow him not to give one.

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 04:37 PM

IMO with all that evidence there has to be at least one fingerprint on something that directly connects Casey to the crime. Not prints you expect to find.

Has there been anything released at all relating to cat and dog hairs?

IRRC, the A's have 2 cats and 2 dogs, just wondering if that could be something that would relate it right back to the A home along with everything else that the State has.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:39 PM

When did Casey have the time to fit these drug cartel, king pin boys into her busy life with running around with Amy and with all the guys she was with everyday. (and accounted for)
There is not one ounce of proof that she ever text any unknown person(s) in her cell phone. She was always in the area where she lived or with her new found buddies with the jobs and the cars and houses of their own.
If she needed a place to stay why not ask King pin boy then.

Go back to 9/12 and read all about it, I'm done with that scenario, I am more interested in the new evidence and laws in the news today.

sydney

09-14-2009, 04:39 PM

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:41 PM

Exactly!
And one can be friendly and nice. And not bite!:biggrin:
LL

And If there not biting, move to another spot.

sydney

09-14-2009, 04:43 PM

When did Casey have the time to fit these drug cartel, king pin boys into her busy life with running around with Amy and with all the guys she was with everyday. (and accounted for)
There is not one ounce of proof that she ever text any unknown person(s) in her cell phone. She was always in the area where she lived or with her new found buddies with the jobs and the cars and houses of their own.
If she needed a place to stay why not ask King pin boy then.

(bold is mine)

when i first read this i thought "she dated a guy from a BOWLING ALLEY?" i must be more tired than i thought!

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 04:45 PM

I can't think of any involvement Lee had with regard to the stolen checks or cashing them, so I don't see why he'd have to testify unless I'm missing or forgetting something. :shrug:

BTW-in regard to Lee doing a victim impact statement....now that I think about it I don't believe Cindy would allow him not to give one.

okay- thanx N2N- if he doesn't have to testify- then I'm going to say he won't be in the courtroom as a spectator for that either. Maybe his parents will, but I'm thinking he won't.

I think he is distancing himself with it all- but time will tell.

~addressing this here just to save time~

*About the xanax- IMO one wouldn't have to look any further than Casey's own home as far as RX drugs go- lots of photos taken by LE that showed goo gobs of RX bottles in the Anthony home. Pills could've been filched from any home that the defendant was in (her grandma's ?) or any purse she was near.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 04:48 PM

Has there been anything released at all relating to cat and dog hairs?

IRRC, the A's have 2 cats and 2 dogs, just wondering if that could be something that would relate it right back to the A home along with everything else that the State has.

Anyone who has animals has got hair. I'm still finding hair from my dog who died two years ago. It's like glue. But with the conditions that Caylee was in for so long it could be really hard to prove it didn't come from another dog or cat. Imagine the technology they have to use in this case.

summer

09-14-2009, 04:48 PM

okay- thanx N2N- if he doesn't have to testify- then I'm going to say he won't be in the courtroom as a spectator for that either. Maybe his parents will, but I'm thinking he won't.

I think he is distancing himself with it all- but time will tell.

~addressing this here just to save time~

*About the xanax- IMO one wouldn't have to look any further than Casey's own home as far as RX drugs go- lots of photos taken by LE that showed goo gobs of RX bottles in the Anthony home. Pills could've been filched from any home that the defendant was in (her grandma's ?) or any purse she was near.

I do think she was drugging Casey with something longer-acting than chloroform. And I do believe it was Xanax. If you want to find a Xanax or 10 it's not hard... It's possible chloroform was the last and final chemical the baby was given but I don't think it was used frequently. (my take on the chloroform is it was used as a cleaning agent...).

I know we've been around and around on this as far as the tests on Caylee's hair but I remember there being some wiggle room on them as far as interpretation...

desmom

09-14-2009, 04:51 PM

I posted one story that was true, there is about 2800 drug gangs in and around Orlando, gave a scenario just like everybody has been doing since the day the story broke. As time went on the wording would change. I don't know how many times I heard Casey gives Caylee xanax, you can't get those off the shelves. She didn't have a perscription. So she had to get them from somebody, all her friends say it wasn't them. So I guess it use to rain xanax in Orange County.

Isn't the Xanax thing just more rumor? Wasn't Caylee's hair tested and it came back negative?

IMO, Xanax is another Caseyland story kind of like she worked at Universal, had $15,000 in the bank, was an event planner, buying a new car...

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 04:51 PM

Exactly!
And one can be friendly and nice. And not bite!:biggrin:
LL

true,

then there are those that practice catch and release. However, some fishies bite back! ouchie

really3997

09-14-2009, 04:53 PM

You got it, Legal! :thumbsup:

LL

Be back in a few hrs. Hope night shift is on then.

And for Casey.You have a good day in your cell.

LL

It's a DORM. I wonder what food they will sneak her today

really3997

09-14-2009, 04:59 PM

http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html

FYI

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 04:59 PM

Anyone who has animals has got hair. I'm still finding hair from my dog who died two years ago. It's like glue. But with the conditions that Caylee was in for so long it could be really hard to prove it didn't come from another dog or cat. Imagine the technology they have to use in this case.

Here's just one case where Animal Hair DNA convicted a man on first degree murder

The Kansas City Star

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:TVnNONdSHUkJ:www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1378932.html+criminal+case+that+involved+determini ng+cat+hair&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Posted on Wed, Aug. 12, 2009 06:04 PM

Prosecutors said cat and human hairs were recovered from Nolte’s pockets.

During their initial investigation, officers identified Polk as a suspect and learned that many cats were kept at his residence.

Police searched Polk’s property and gathered hair from numerous cats. The samples were sent to a DNA lab in California.

Authorities said the tests indicated a genetic match between hairs found on the victim and two of the cats from Polk’s residence.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 05:00 PM

I do think she was drugging Casey with something longer-acting than chloroform. And I do believe it was Xanax. If you want to find a Xanax or 10 it's not hard... It's possible chloroform was the last and final chemical the baby was given but I don't think it was used frequently. (my take on the chloroform is it was used as a cleaning agent...).

I know we've been around and around on this as far as the tests on Caylee's hair but I remember there being some wiggle room on them as far as interpretation...

Now Cindy is drugging Casey? I haven't heard that one. I don't remember reading that Cindy took xanax either link anyone?

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 05:02 PM

Here's just one case where Animal Hair DNA convicted a man on first degree murder

The Kansas City Star

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:TVnNONdSHUkJ:www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1378932.html+criminal+case+that+involved+determini ng+cat+hair&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Posted on Wed, Aug. 12, 2009 06:04 PM

Prosecutors said cat and human hairs were recovered from Nolte’s pockets.

During their initial investigation, officers identified Polk as a suspect and learned that many cats were kept at his residence.

Police searched Polk’s property and gathered hair from numerous cats. The samples were sent to a DNA lab in California.

Authorities said the tests indicated a genetic match between hairs found on the victim and two of the cats from Polk’s residence.

Anthony pet hair on the duct tape found on Caylee would be another nail in the OC's coffin, I would think.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 05:06 PM

For those who may not know, the button to report posts to the moderator is the little red exclamation mark looking thing next to the post number at the top of each post.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 05:07 PM

Here's just one case where Animal Hair DNA convicted a man on first degree murder

The Kansas City Star

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:TVnNONdSHUkJ:www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1378932.html+criminal+case+that+involved+determini ng+cat+hair&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Posted on Wed, Aug. 12, 2009 06:04 PM

Prosecutors said cat and human hairs were recovered from Nolte’s pockets.

During their initial investigation, officers identified Polk as a suspect and learned that many cats were kept at his residence.

Police searched Polk’s property and gathered hair from numerous cats. The samples were sent to a DNA lab in California.

Authorities said the tests indicated a genetic match between hairs found on the victim and two of the cats from Polk’s residence.

Well that is something, I knew if I ever killed anyone my animals would get me busted. I wonder if there was any animal hair stuck to that duct tape? The water was what really caused a lot of damage to Caylee. Well thank you that was interesting to read an actual case, instead of gossip.

kakax

09-14-2009, 05:09 PM

Love the Strickland with the hook visual. :lol:

Maybe one of the jurors will bust out with a "Oh just SHUT UP CINDY!" And others will chime in, "Yeah, just shut the hell up!" ... "Yeah! Shut up!"

Ahhh. I love my fantasy life. :laugh:

My mind gets away from me too...I kind of would like to see a gong.

And like Really said, before she speaks.

It's nice living in fantasy land sometimes.

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 05:10 PM

Anthony pet hair on the duct tape found on Caylee would be another nail in the OC's coffin, I would think.

I agree- the defense & family have all tried to say that Caylee was with someone else for those initial 30 days, will likely not ever claim that the rare duct tape was theirs, so if pet hair was under the layers of duct tape could show that the tape was placed on the child while she was still in her home, on the bedding, etc.

IRRC, the State said that the murder took place at that residence, didn't they? In some report I thought they mentioned that the murder scene was Hopespring Drive.

There is no proof that a nanny was in the A home to get transfer on her own clothes.

Maybe the duct tape also shows carpet fiber from Casey's trunk on it- and no other vehicle fiber from a different make.

KittyMom

09-14-2009, 05:10 PM

http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html

FYI

Oh, I love it. :thumbsup:

kakax

09-14-2009, 05:11 PM

yeah, that's another avenue- we know he moved back in with his parents, and I think it's been said that he has gone back to work. But it seems that Brad is the one to fill in for the moral support in public for the A's. I can't even recall Lee being mentioned/around much when George went on his little motel get-away.

Cindy had her attorney call 911 for that, not her son.

From what he said to Tony in the car, Lee doesn't seem to hold his dad in much high regard- but does seem to care more for his mother.

Anyone know if he will have to give testimony in the Amy check case?

I dunno...I'm thinking Lee is quietly pulling his puppet strings behind the scenes like the BH's said in their interviews.

Scampi

09-14-2009, 05:18 PM

I agree- the defense & family have all tried to say that Caylee was with someone else for those initial 30 days, will likely not ever claim that the rare duct tape was theirs, so if pet hair was under the layers of duct tape could show that the tape was placed on the child while she was still in her home, on the bedding, etc.

IRRC, the State said that the murder took place at that residence, didn't they? In some report I thought they mentioned that the murder scene was Hopespring Drive.

There is no proof that a nanny was in the A home to get transfer on her own clothes.

Maybe the duct tape also shows carpet fiber from Casey's trunk on it- and no other vehicle fiber from a different make.

Oh boy, is this the real reason cindy was talking about Zenaida having a dog? To help explain any dog hair on the duct tape?

kakax

09-14-2009, 05:19 PM

Isn't the Xanax thing just more rumor? Wasn't Caylee's hair tested and it came back negative?

IMO, Xanax is another Caseyland story kind of like she worked at Universal, had $15,000 in the bank, was an event planner, buying a new car...

I'm on board with you! It was speculation on what could have happened but once the EVIDENCE comes out and it doesn't prove the theory...move along.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 05:20 PM

legalmania

09-14-2009, 05:21 PM

Possible...but it may only conclude Caylee had contact with her own animals...if there were animal hair on the duct tape it could just show that hair from Caylee's clothing got on the duct tape...it would not necessarily mean it was on the duct tape prior to use.

I agree Rapunzel, Caylee was with the animals and believe me the hair is in your car, on your clothes, in the garage, outside, I'm looking at some right now on my keyboard, I guess the cats have been using the computer while I've been gone. I've went through mega vacuum cleaners.

kakax

09-14-2009, 05:23 PM

:thumbup: ty for the news link really-

liars do tend to get caught in their lying

No doubt though all of Desmom's links he was lying. The only thing that bothers me is that Lapis was saying (IIRC) that if he found out information during the time he was working for Baez, and followed up on it later, it would still be covered under work product. I wish I had bookmarked her explanation because it was really easy for me to understand. No way I can do it justice trying to repeat what she said.

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 05:23 PM

Well that is something, I knew if I ever killed anyone my animals would get me busted. I wonder if there was any animal hair stuck to that duct tape? The water was what really caused a lot of damage to Caylee. Well thank you that was interesting to read an actual case, instead of gossip.

I've seen a few shows on cases that animal hair helped convict the defendant.

Here's a list of some other non-human DNA cases, listing several convictions

http://www.denverda.org/DNA/DNA_Nonhuman.htm

swine, dog, cat, deer, etc. DNA

KittyMom

09-14-2009, 05:25 PM

I'm thinking DC is wishing he'd just backed away slowly when this case came into view. lol

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 05:30 PM

I'm on board with you! It was speculation on what could have happened but once the EVIDENCE comes out and it doesn't prove the theory...move along.

The Xanax is only important to me because I think it was the genesis of Casey's Zanny, and therefore further proof no actual nanny ever existed. That's why I don't move away from it entirely. I think the entire ZFG fantasy grew from her off-handed, smarta$$ response to R. Grund when he asked her what she was doing about getting a babysitter for Caylee (because he and his family were doing the bulk of it at that time).

I also happen to believe Casey gave Caylee Xanax at least once, and likely more than that. Just because there was none detected in her hair at her time of death doesn't mean she was never drugged with it. But that's neither here nor there relative to how the baby died. It goes to the stupid nanny theory, as well as to what kinds of abuse Casey could have been perpetrating on Caylee long before her death.

desmom

09-14-2009, 05:31 PM

I finally tracked down the IM re Xanax.

It was found on Casey's computer during a forensics check of her computer. page 4 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811062/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-008 LE's notes: "8/13/08 @1420 hours Fragments Only - unknown date/time - unknown what application/browser."
"casey o marie: i can hit up my friend annie for some xanax. we'd be a good time.
SpecialAgentJAG4: yeah well thats an understatment...then again, we never needed medication to be a good time."

LE's summary of interview with Jesse about the IM page 48 http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/01.pdf
"I showed Jesse a text conversation between "SpecialAgentJAG4" and "casey o marie". This conversation was found in the unallocated clusters of Casey Anthony's computer. Jesse said he was "SpecialAgentJAG4" and Casey Anthony was "casey o marie". Jesse did not remember this specific conversation, nor the reference to Xanax but he admitted this appeared to be a conversation they had. According to other information mentioned in the conversation, Jesse believes this took place sometime near the beginning of 2007. Jesse said he had never known Casey to take any illegal or non-presecribed drugs (nothing besides birth control pills) nor did he have any knowledge of Casey using Xanax."

In the lst link, Casey messaged Jesse "i passed the progressive office on university last week, and at random, noticed your car, parked by the street." IIRC, Jesse worked for Progressive before he started training as LE. jmo

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 05:32 PM

Oh boy, is this the real reason cindy was talking about Zenaida having a dog? To help explain any dog hair on the duct tape?

Hi ya Scamp! who knows, could be- she seemed to suddenly remember that the pooh blanket was missing, oh gee- in Dec. when they came to her home, after discovering the remains in the woods, prior to Caylee being ID'd.

That's just it- what is with all the extras, the nanny's dog, Casey's lanyard, hairbrushes...

weird

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 05:32 PM

I'm thinking DC is wishing he'd just backed away slowly when this case came into view. lol

Isn't that the truth? :laugh:

You'd think a PI would be a better judge of character.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 05:42 PM

I've seen a few shows on cases that animal hair helped convict the defendant.

Here's a list of some other non-human DNA cases, listing several convictions

http://www.denverda.org/DNA/DNA_Nonhuman.htm

swine, dog, cat, deer, etc. DNA

Crime is getting harder and harder with DNA people just forget the smallest things. Pretty soon it's gonna be just like that Tom Cruz movie they know your gonna commit a crime before you do.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 05:45 PM

You got it, Legal! :thumbsup:

LL

Be back in a few hrs. Hope night shift is on then.

And for Casey.You have a good day in your cell.

LL

Yes for Casey here is a song for you.

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Peter

09-14-2009, 05:46 PM

I'm on board with you! It was speculation on what could have happened but once the EVIDENCE comes out and it doesn't prove the theory...move along.

Whats interesting about the tests on Caylee's hair for use of drugs:
"Negative results should not be interpreted as proof that the individual was not exposed to the drug listed."

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

kakax

09-14-2009, 05:47 PM

I know that's painful kakax my roommate has passed a couple and I could do nothing, they gave him roxicodone not sure how to spell it. If it's prescribed it's not that easy unless you buy them off the street. Were you with someone who maybe helped themself? How can you steal from someone in pain? Never understood that.

Only thing I could really come up with was that someone took them who was in my room. We had a problem with the AC and of course housekeepers were in and out.

I'm just saying it can be gotten if your intentions aren't good even without having to go to a drug dealer.

I never even in the beginning bought into the Xanax theory, just because it is kind of out there, takes a lot of thought to come up with, and was never proven. Casey didn't put a lot of thought into anything IMO.

kakax

09-14-2009, 05:48 PM

Whats interesting about the tests on Caylee's hair for use of drugs:
"Negative results should not be interpreted as proof that the individual was not exposed to the drug listed."

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

I agree with that. Just because it didn't show up doesn't mean she never had the drug in her system. I just prefer to stick with what we have.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 05:49 PM

Whats interesting about the tests on Caylee's hair for use of drugs:
"Negative results should not be interpreted as proof that the individual was not exposed to the drug listed."

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

Thanks for that, Peter. I think I might tattoo it to my forehead. :laugh:

legalmania

09-14-2009, 05:50 PM

summer

09-14-2009, 05:50 PM

Whats interesting about the tests on Caylee's hair for use of drugs:
"Negative results should not be interpreted as proof that the individual was not exposed to the drug listed."

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

Thanks Peter. I remembered something along those lines but am not good with links. Don't know if it's true about the Xanax or not but I do think it's worthy of discussion anyway.

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 05:51 PM

Crime is getting harder and harder with DNA people just forget the smallest things. Pretty soon it's gonna be just like that Tom Cruz movie they know your gonna commit a crime before you do.

It does go to show, that even tho there are people like the A's that consider this as "junk science" - there are lots of jurors in many states that don't, and go on to convict.

But with the help of advance technology in everything- from cell phone pings to computer searches to "eyes in the sky" capturing people on video, it's helping to stop criminals from continuing their crimes- may not deter future criminals tho.

and wow! the survey that Rapunzel posted :ohmy:

summer

09-14-2009, 05:53 PM

I agree with that. Just because it didn't show up doesn't mean she never had the drug in her system. I just prefer to stick with what we have.

Hi Kakax, but we bat around theories here all the time - that's kinda what we do. At least this one is in the general realm of possibility. I think it's a legitimate area of discussion. Not saying everyone is interested in it or believes it of course but some of us do think it has merit. IMO.

summer

09-14-2009, 05:58 PM

Peter

09-14-2009, 05:58 PM

Thanks Peter. I remembered something along those lines but am not good with links. Don't know if it's true about the Xanax or not but I do think it's worthy of discussion anyway.

I think they mean if Caylee was given zanex lately or only once or twicetimes it would not show up in her hair. Thats the way I interperted it?

kakax

09-14-2009, 05:58 PM

Hi Kakax, but we bat around theories here all the time - that's kinda what we do. At least this one is in the general realm of reality. IMO. :crying:

And really I wouldn't put it past her either. I do believe she was giving Caylee something that would put her out. Don't know how I feel about chloroform because that, too, would require some kind of work. It's just that she really didn't seem to be that much into drugs for herself.

When she talked to Richard Grunde, I think she pulled the name Zanny out of her hiney. Maybe from reading the book or a reference to Zanny as a nickname for the drug. I just don't know how it would be proven.

summer

09-14-2009, 06:00 PM

I think they mean if Caylee was given zanex lately or only once or twicetimes it would not show up in her hair. Thats the way I interperted it?

Yes, I can believe it wasn't given consistently - A couple of times interspersed with other meds, maybe over the counter, who knows? Depends on how long Casey needed her to sleep?

legalmania

09-14-2009, 06:00 PM

Only thing I could really come up with was that someone took them who was in my room. We had a problem with the AC and of course housekeepers were in and out.

I'm just saying it can be gotten if your intentions aren't good even without having to go to a drug dealer.

I never even in the beginning bought into the Xanax theory, just because it is kind of out there, takes a lot of thought to come up with, and was never proven. Casey didn't put a lot of thought into anything IMO.

I don't know the doctors are getting paranoid to just give out narcotics. I mean they took my blood and took x-rays before giving me cough syrup. Of course it's codeine. Well it took her 31 days to come up with ZFG and the script she had to follow.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 06:04 PM

I agree with that. Just because it didn't show up doesn't mean she never had the drug in her system. I just prefer to stick with what we have.

We don't have much, though, with regard to what actually happened to Caylee in death, or in life.

We have lots of photos and videos, glowing descriptions of the mother of the year, and in direct contrast to all that, we have a dead baby.

In between, there's a whole lotta something we know very little about. In the realm of possibilities, and in light of the fact Caylee was duct taped and triple-bagged, I don't think drugging with Xanax is all that far-fetched.

Peter

09-14-2009, 06:04 PM

Bala

09-14-2009, 06:05 PM

It does go to show, that even tho there are people like the A's that consider this as "junk science" - there are lots of jurors in many states that don't, and go on to convict.

But with the help of advance technology in everything- from cell phone pings to computer searches to "eyes in the sky" capturing people on video, it's helping to stop criminals from continuing their crimes- may not deter future criminals tho.

and wow! the survey that Rapunzel posted :ohmy:
Only guilty people consider it junk science. Cindy being a nurse I'm sure she knows she's full of crap.
JMO

legalmania

09-14-2009, 06:06 PM

It does go to show, that even tho there are people like the A's that consider this as "junk science" - there are lots of jurors in many states that don't, and go on to convict.

But with the help of advance technology in everything- from cell phone pings to computer searches to "eyes in the sky" capturing people on video, it's helping to stop criminals from continuing their crimes- may not deter future criminals tho.

and wow! the survey that Rapunzel posted :ohmy:

Yes that survey is scary. I'm telling you at times when I lived in south Florida I was so scared to go to my job at the courthouse. After 911 we had a bomb threat everyday. The courthouse here is small but I don't get the feeling the place is going to blow up or someone is going to go postal.

summer

09-14-2009, 06:07 PM

We don't have much, though, with regard to what actually happened to Caylee in death, or in life.

We have lots of photos and videos, glowing descriptions of the mother of the year, and in direct contrast to all that, we have a dead baby.

In between, there's a whole lotta something we know very little about. In the realm of possibilities, and in light of the fact Caylee was duct taped and triple-bagged, I don't think drugging with Xanax is all that far-fetched.

Especially since this is a family with a nurse at the head of the household. IMO there were probably a heck of a lot of home diagnoses and treatments of illnesses - for the entire family -- seeing as how cheap they were too. This is in all likelihood what Casey grew up with, home meds, home advice... so it's not a stretch at all, IMO.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 06:09 PM

I think they mean if Caylee was given zanex lately or only once or twicetimes it would not show up in her hair. Thats the way I interperted it?

It stays in your system for about 3 to 5 days. I don't know how long it stays in your hair.

kakax

09-14-2009, 06:10 PM

We don't have much, though, with regard to what actually happened to Caylee in death, or in life.

We have lots of photos and videos, glowing descriptions of the mother of the year, and in direct contrast to all that, we have a dead baby.

In between, there's a whole lotta something we know very little about. In the realm of possibilities, and in light of the fact Caylee was duct taped and triple-bagged, I don't think drugging with Xanax is all that far-fetched.

I agree with you. I just don't think it is going to be a very big issue at trial. LE obviously saw it as a big enough issue to question Annie and others about Casey possibly using Xanax, but it went nowhere it seemed to me.

She may very well have been drugging her with it, but how will they prove it?

Bala

09-14-2009, 06:12 PM

Casey could have been giving Caylee a adult cough medicine that would work to knock poor little Caylee out. I know if I take some it sure knocks me out.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 06:15 PM

Especially since this is a family with a nurse at the head of the household. IMO there were probably a heck of a lot of home diagnoses and treatments of illnesses - for the entire family -- seeing as how cheap they were too. This is in all likelihood what Casey grew up with, home meds, home advice... so it's not a stretch at all, IMO.

Yep. We're talking about an OC who allegedly ended her 2 year-old's life in what would appear to be a horrendous way. Drugging her baby would be a walk in the park by comparison. imo

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 06:18 PM

I agree with you. I just don't think it is going to be a very big issue at trial. LE obviously saw it as a big enough issue to question Annie and others about Casey possibly using Xanax, but it went nowhere it seemed to me.

She may very well have been drugging her with it, but how will they prove it?

I'm not talking about the trial at the moment. Some of us spend inordinate amounts of time trying to figure out this family ... what really went on inside the 4 walls of that home. The Xanax thing is more a part of the bigger picture, for me, than anything else.

I contemplate this case and this family way more than you'd believe, lol. I probably mostly contemplate subjects that will never come up at trial at all. :laugh:

Peter

09-14-2009, 06:19 PM

Yep. We're talking about an OC who allegedly ended her 2 year-old's life in what would appear to be a horrendous way. Drugging her baby would be a walk in the park by comparison. imo

I have been wondering if there is evidence on the duct tape like bite marks or saliva stain? Something that definatively tells Caylee was alive when taped. That wasnt easy to type. :sad:

Postergeist

09-14-2009, 06:20 PM

The most compelling reason I think Caylee was drugged was just looking at her sad, spaced out, tired, drugged out looking face in so so many of her pics. Something is not right there AT ALL. To me that is not the face of a healthy well-tended child. As well as the name Zanny, as well as so many other things. It's just my instinct, Just my opinion...

I should've gone to our link page, as I was trying to find some police photos and ended up skimming thru the ones that Orlando Sentinal has online of the saga

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthonypics-photos,0,5614814.photogallery

but I agree with you summer- there are many pics of Caylee where she does look out of it, definitely tired in many- some of her expressions seemed like "doh" - some vacancy in the eyes.

But it will likely never been known if she had a regiment with proper nutrition and a true healthy sleep schedule. The A's can't account for the hours away from Caylee while they were employed and away from the home. Sleep deprivation can also give a dopey, druggy demeanor as well.

While there are pics of Casey out there looking out of it-and she apparently required very little sleep due to her marathon texting, little Caylee just didn't appear to be as healthy in some of her photos.

Anyone know if there were any recovered used diapers from the home or car back in July?

Just thinking a lot can be determined from waste, with nutritional deficiencies, etc.

(I've got to leave & get some errands done & plan for dinner, so I'll check back later)

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 06:21 PM

I have been wondering if there is evidence on the duct tape like bite marks or saliva stain? Something that definatively tells Caylee was alive when taped. That wasnt easy to type. :sad:

Could be, Peter. We haven't seen any forensics from the duct tape on her remains. If there's evidence she was alive when she was taped, AND there's a Casey fingerprint, that would certainly explain the return of the DP in this case.

Scampi

09-14-2009, 06:21 PM

I suggest everyone read this analysis by Wendy Murphy on the evidence we won't see before trial. Thanks to Cherish for finding this:

Originally Posted by cherish
The Evidence You’re Not Allowed to See

http://63.119.11.61/blogs-and-storie.../?cid=tag:all1

In it, Wendy talks about the drug analysis done on Caylee's hair, which showed no presence of drugs. But, the conclusive and more thorough method is to test bone marrow. We have no reports done on Caylee's bone marrow, but Wendy thinks it was done and may have come back positive. She gives her reasons in this great article.

Peter

09-14-2009, 06:23 PM

Could be, Peter. We haven't seen any forensics from the duct tape on her remains. If there's evidence she was alive when she was taped, AND there's a Casey fingerprint, that would certainly explain the return of the DP in this case.

Oh Oh I also forgot one...If CAYLEES fingerprints are on the duct tape!!! yes thats what I think, hence the need for the rest of the A's prints.

Peter

09-14-2009, 06:25 PM

desmom

09-14-2009, 06:26 PM

Piratexox

09-14-2009, 06:28 PM

*Serenity*

09-14-2009, 06:30 PM

*Sigh* I really don't want to go there but Wendy Murphy is speaking of xanax in this article. Also I've seen her comment on the Agency for child services and ****** crimes, who had visited with Casey. Brings sadness to me.

I can't read the link: I get the 404 error not found-- and at the top a link for Kayne West making an a$$ of himself last night. lol

kakax

09-14-2009, 06:31 PM

I'm not talking about the trial at the moment. Some of us spend inordinate amounts of time trying to figure out this family ... what really went on inside the 4 walls of that home. The Xanax thing is more a part of the bigger picture, for me, than anything else.

I contemplate this case and this family way more than you'd believe, lol. I probably mostly contemplate subjects that will never come up at trial at all. :laugh:

Oh I can believe it! I'm not even sure what my original point was right now rofl!

need2no

09-14-2009, 06:34 PM

OMG...what a horrible thought!!!

I always wondered about it wrapped around her head and stuck to her hair...if you do that...that means you ain't plannin' to take it off!!!

Sadly the wrapping round and round would also prevent a 2 year old from being able to remove the tape, no matter how hard she tried. :crying:

Katprint

09-14-2009, 06:34 PM

That's a good way to get a mistrial.
I've seen jurors laugh out loud at ridiculous statements by witnesses and defendants. The attorneys have to keep their professional demeanors, but sometimes the jurors laugh when they find the testimony to be laughable. Sometimes the jurors cry when the testimony/evidence is very sad, and sometimes they become ill when the testimony/evidence is sickening. Jurors exhibiting normal human reactions is not a proper grounds for mistrial.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

jammies

09-14-2009, 06:35 PM

Oh Oh I also forgot one...If CAYLEES fingerprints are on the duct tape!!! yes thats what I think, hence the need for the rest of the A's prints.

Oh dear oh dear.

My heart hurts.

*Serenity*

09-14-2009, 06:40 PM

If Casey was drugging Caylee, where is the evidence? She left a bag of trash in the trunk, Caylee's car seat and diaper back in the back seat and, according to Cindy, Casey left her purse in the front seat. I didn't see anything in the LE reports re Rx or OTC in any of the diaper bags, book bags or totes when they searched the A's house.

Her friends said Casey herself was only a recreational user.

So Caylee has dark circles under her eyes. IMO, Casey and Cindy have dark circles under their eyes too.

jmo

I don't think she drugged her either. I think she was in a full blown raging tantrum after fighting with her Mother and killed Caylee.
I also believe her searching about missing children prior to this happening was premeditation to do this, just not do it the way she did
that night after the fight. That is why she was so sloppy and nothing was thought out, not that I think she could plan anything in advance to full proof Caylee missing.

She admits to Lee she kept Caylee from Cindy because she is a spiteful **tch.... and the night she killed Caylee demontrates how spiteful and heartless she is. No way would she give in and let Cindy have Caylee--that would have been the answers for Casey to move on, but Casey couldn't move on because she had no way to support herself, and no guy willing to take her in full time. She was a train wreck long before the night she murdered Caylee.

AND then Lee asking Casey-- is this like the last time? WTH happened the last time? I know LE probably grilled Lee about this, however he more than likely lied for Casey and would never spill the truth about that incident.

Caylee is so much better off without living a life full of hate and dysfunction. Terrible to type that but it is the way I feel. She had
a miserable short life while here on earth, and it would have never
got any better for her either.

*Serenity*

09-14-2009, 06:44 PM

Try this - http://63.119.11.61/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-21/the-evidence-yoursquore-not-allowed-to-see/
And I'm sorry I brought this up.

:confused: Why are you sorry you brought this up?

Barbara fl.

09-14-2009, 06:45 PM

Here's what Darlie Routier's Mom said to the jury, in an attempt to get them to give her Life instead of death. {I don't see "Victim Impact Statements' in the trial transcripts.} She is being questioned and asked if she has something to say to the jury.

12 A. From June 6th, this family has endured
13 hell on earth. It has been horrible. I don't think any
14 of you can imagine what we have been through. We have
15 not accepted the death of Devon and Damon nor what has
16 happened with Darlie.
17 We have to deal with that. I have two
18 other daughters out there that will be in counselling for
19 years over this. And I am asking you, if you have any
20 compassion, do not put her to death because she did not
21 do this.

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/volumes/vol-48.php#11

The jury voted for death!

Please don't misunderstand what I was saying....by no means would it make a difference if a mother was to cry to save her childs life....everyone on death row has a mother that would do that....

But, how many mothers call the police on their child and turn them in to receive the DP?...That was my point, it may have some impact on the judge in imposing the DP....It would be like telling the mother that because you called the police now your daughter must die for the crime she committed.....That is one heck of a burden to put on a mothers shoulder...that would be the same as giving her the DP...

But either way, i'm ok with it.....DP or LWOP as long as she never walks on the outside again.....

kakax

09-14-2009, 06:47 PM

Oh Oh I also forgot one...If CAYLEES fingerprints are on the duct tape!!! yes thats what I think, hence the need for the rest of the A's prints.

And if you look at the fingerprint evidence we have gotten and use Wendy's test of "what we don't see", it is very interesting that everyone except Caylee and Casey's fingerprints were ruled out.

There was some reason they wanted fingerprints leading you to believe someone's fingerprints were found somewhere.

Barbara fl.

09-14-2009, 06:48 PM

I don't think she drugged her either. I think she was in a full blown raging tantrum after fighting with her Mother and killed Caylee.
I also believe her searching about missing children prior to this happening was premeditation to do this, just not do it the way she did
that night after the fight. That is why she was so sloppy and nothing was thought out, not that I think she could plan anything in advance to full proof Caylee missing.

She admits to Lee she kept Caylee from Cindy because she is a spiteful **tch.... and the night she killed Caylee demontrates how spiteful and heartless she is. No way would she give in and let Cindy have Caylee--that would have been the answers for Casey to move on, but Casey couldn't move on because she had no way to support herself, and no guy willing to take her in full time. She was a train wreck long before the night she murdered Caylee.

AND then Lee asking Casey-- is this like the last time? WTH happened the last time? I know LE probably grilled Lee about this, however he more than likely lied for Casey and would never spill the truth about that incident.

Caylee is so much better off without living a life full of hate and dysfunction. Terrible to type that but it is the way I feel. She had
a miserable short life while here on earth, and it would have never
got any better for her either.

You are so right...I also believe that Cindy might have threatened to get custody of Caylee on that very night of te big fight...and that would have made Casey kill Caylee right then to get at Cindy....

desmom

09-14-2009, 06:48 PM

I already answered this question, her friend is lying, Casey took xanax and so did her friends they bought them illegally. Cindy didn't have them so they were buying them from somebody. I think it's cruel to make in front of a flu that is killing children. Maybe it's better you keep some of your thoughts to yourself.

Casey and her friends were buying and taking Xanax illegally?

Was that in a doc dump?

Was it a witness statement?

TIA

Piratexox

09-14-2009, 06:48 PM

:confused: Why are you sorry you brought this up?

Because the connection and impression I get from WM is a dispicable act. PM me if you want to know. As for your last post re: Lee asking if this was like the last time, I think CA locked Caylee in the car. Why else would Cindy make such a big deal to LE about CA carrying a 2nd set of keys?

kakax

09-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Try this - http://63.119.11.61/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-21/the-evidence-yoursquore-not-allowed-to-see/
And I'm sorry I brought this up.

Don't be!! Nothing to be sorry for!! It's an excellent link!

desmom

09-14-2009, 06:51 PM

I don't think she drugged her either. I think she was in a full blown raging tantrum after fighting with her Mother and killed Caylee.
I also believe her searching about missing children prior to this happening was premeditation to do this, just not do it the way she did
that night after the fight. That is why she was so sloppy and nothing was thought out, not that I think she could plan anything in advance to full proof Caylee missing.

She admits to Lee she kept Caylee from Cindy because she is a spiteful **tch.... and the night she killed Caylee demontrates how spiteful and heartless she is. No way would she give in and let Cindy have Caylee--that would have been the answers for Casey to move on, but Casey couldn't move on because she had no way to support herself, and no guy willing to take her in full time. She was a train wreck long before the night she murdered Caylee.

AND then Lee asking Casey-- is this like the last time? WTH happened the last time? I know LE probably grilled Lee about this, however he more than likely lied for Casey and would never spill the truth about that incident.

Caylee is so much better off without living a life full of hate and dysfunction. Terrible to type that but it is the way I feel. She had
a miserable short life while here on earth, and it would have never
got any better for her either.

I think you nailed it in your description of what happened that night at the A's. We have seen the jail house video of one of Casey's temper tantrums and that was over nothing. Imagine what kind of tantrum she could throw if Cindy was not sweet talking her like she was at the jail! :scared:

Katprint

09-14-2009, 06:51 PM

<respectfully snipped>
Caylee is so much better off without living a life full of hate and dysfunction. Terrible to type that but it is the way I feel. She had a miserable short life while here on earth, and it would have never got any better for her either.
I respectfully disagree that being dead - and in particular being murdered in the gruesome way that Caylee appears to have been i.e. slowly suffocated by duct tape - is necessarily better than growing up in a dysfunctional home. Not only would Caylee have been able to leave once she reached adulthood, but there is a reasonably good chance that Casey (who was clearly tired of the responsibilities of parenthood) would have dumped Caylee off on Cindy and George then vanished to parts unknown. The videos with Cindy playfully interacting with Caylee are substantially more pleasant than Casey's weird silent movies with Caylee.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Scampi

09-14-2009, 06:51 PM

And if you look at the fingerprint evidence we have gotten and use Wendy's test of "what we don't see", it is very interesting that everyone except Caylee and Casey's fingerprints were ruled out.

There was some reason they wanted fingerprints leading you to believe someone's fingerprints were found somewhere.

Oh man, Caylee's little fingerprints on that duct tape would be horrendous.

summer

09-14-2009, 06:53 PM

I don't think she drugged her either. I think she was in a full blown raging tantrum after fighting with her Mother and killed Caylee.
I also believe her searching about missing children prior to this happening was premeditation to do this, just not do it the way she did
that night after the fight. That is why she was so sloppy and nothing was thought out, not that I think she could plan anything in advance to full proof Caylee missing.

She admits to Lee she kept Caylee from Cindy because she is a spiteful **tch.... and the night she killed Caylee demontrates how spiteful and heartless she is. No way would she give in and let Cindy have Caylee--that would have been the answers for Casey to move on, but Casey couldn't move on because she had no way to support herself, and no guy willing to take her in full time. She was a train wreck long before the night she murdered Caylee.

AND then Lee asking Casey-- is this like the last time? WTH happened the last time? I know LE probably grilled Lee about this, however he more than likely lied for Casey and would never spill the truth about that incident.

Caylee is so much better off without living a life full of hate and dysfunction. Terrible to type that but it is the way I feel. She had
a miserable short life while here on earth, and it would have never
got any better for her either.

I don't think Caylee was drugged on the last day/night of her life. I think she was killed in a rage too, suffocated by duct tape.

There are many things that speak to me of Caylee being drugged in her life, not the least of which is ... where was she when she wasn't with Casey and she wasn't with Cindy & George and she wasn't with a babysitter?

She had to be somewhere, alone, and she had to be kept quiet. Hence my mind turns to drugs. Anyhoo...

sammy62

09-14-2009, 06:54 PM

Piratexox

09-14-2009, 06:56 PM

Don't be!! Nothing to be sorry for!! It's an excellent link!

I brought that link over from a few pages back. Some one else posted it. My apology is for what I'm thinking in case any one is following my rambling. I really don't want to post that.

kakax

09-14-2009, 06:56 PM

Oh man, Caylee's little fingerprints on that duct tape would be horrendous.

Makes my stomach churn.:sad:

kakax

09-14-2009, 06:59 PM

I brought that link over from a few pages back. Some one else posted it. My apology is for what I'm thinking in case any one is following my rambling. I really don't want to post that.

I gotcha. The things in this case are too horrible to understand for sure. Probably why we hash and rehash it. It's hard to imagine drugging, duct taping, throwing your child like trash in the woods.

desmom

09-14-2009, 07:00 PM

I don't think Caylee was drugged on the last day/night of her life. I think she was killed in a rage too, suffocated by duct tape.

There are many things that speak to me of Caylee being drugged in her life, not the least of which is ... where was she when she wasn't with Casey and she wasn't with Cindy & George and she wasn't with a babysitter?

She had to be somewhere, alone, and she had to be kept quiet. Hence my mind turns to drugs. Anyhoo...

Summer do you (or anyone else on the boards) know of a time before June 15 when Caylee was not with Cindy, George or Casey? TIA

kakax

09-14-2009, 07:02 PM

Because the connection and impression I get from WM is a dispicable act. PM me if you want to know. As for your last post re: Lee asking if this was like the last time, I think CA locked Caylee in the car. Why else would Cindy make such a big deal to LE about CA carrying a 2nd set of keys?

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

legalmania

09-14-2009, 07:04 PM

I've seen jurors laugh out loud at ridiculous statements by witnesses and defendants. The attorneys have to keep their professional demeanors, but sometimes the jurors laugh when they find the testimony to be laughable. Sometimes the jurors cry when the testimony/evidence is very sad, and sometimes they become ill when the testimony/evidence is sickening. Jurors exhibiting normal human reactions is not a proper grounds for mistrial.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I realize that, being a jury consultant, well not lately, but I have heard the jurors laugh when the witness was funny, but the judge would usually call order. I've seen them make faces if they don't believe the testimony, but not laughing hysterically. When they cry it's hard on everybody. Of course there will be some kind of emotions during a trial, that's just human nature.

*Serenity*

09-14-2009, 07:05 PM

I respectfully disagree that being dead - and in particular being murdered in the gruesome way that Caylee appears to have been i.e. slowly suffocated by duct tape - is necessarily better than growing up in a dysfunctional home. Not only would Caylee have been able to leave once she reached adulthood, but there is a reasonably good chance that Casey (who was clearly tired of the responsibilities of parenthood) would have dumped Caylee off on Cindy and George then vanished to parts unknown. The videos with Cindy playfully interacting with Caylee are substantially more pleasant than Casey's weird silent movies with Caylee.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Agree to disagree!

I love opinons... :)

No one turns out okay that lives with or that is raised by the Anthony's.
It's too late to change the behavior when older, as you can clearly see by Casey's and Lee's adulthood to this day.

summer

09-14-2009, 07:06 PM

Summer do you know of a time before June 15 when Caylee was not with Cindy, George or Casey? TIA

I don't have links or quotes but here's one if we can believe it... where was Caylee the night they stayed over at Ricardo's when supposedly Casey took her back to Cindy's in the middle of the night and yet Cindy says it didn't happen? I don't believe Cindy liar pants anyway but if this is true then... where?

I also think there were other times but I cannot quantify them. I truly don't believe Caylee was with Casey every moment of every day when she wasn't with the grandparents. Just going on my feeling and I'm glad I'm not having to swear under oath. Casey was a crap, negligent mother and I believe it's possible Caylee was stashed a lot of times.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 07:09 PM

Casey and her friends were buying and taking Xanax illegally?

Was that in a doc dump?

Was it a witness statement?

TIA

I've seen the pictures, her friends say she didn't drink much but she was passed out, IMO she was doing something other than just drinking.

desmom

09-14-2009, 07:13 PM

I don't have links or quotes but here's one if we can believe it... where was Caylee the night they stayed over at Ricardo's when supposedly Casey took her back to Cindy's in the middle of the night and yet Cindy says it didn't happen? I don't believe Cindy liar pants anyway but if this is true then... where?

I also think there were other times but I cannot quantify them. I truly don't believe Caylee was with Casey every moment of every day when she wasn't with the grandparents. Just going on my feeling and I'm glad I'm not having to swear under oath. Casey was a crap, negligent mother and I believe it's possible Caylee was stashed a lot of times.

Per Casey's friends, Cindy has a history of calling Casey to tell her it was time to come home.

I believe Cindy did call Casey that night. Cindy is all about appearances. How would it look if Cindy told LE she called her 21-22 year old daughter at her boyfriend's house to tell her it was time to bring Caylee home? Cindy has told several media outlets and LE she was not a prying mother. :rolleyes:

IMO, that is why Casey "worked" nights. If Casey was at work, Cindy would not call her about curfew.

summer

09-14-2009, 07:15 PM

If she wasn't drugging and stashing Caylee then why the need to make up a nanny? She didn't use the nanny excuse just for when she was interrogated by LE. Many times her friends asked where Caylee was and it was always... at the beach... at DisneyWorld... wherever. Why???

Many times Casey said the baby was with her parents when she was with the A's, so it's not as though grandparents as babysitter embarrassed her. Why make up a nanny that took Caylee everywhere??? To her friends??? It's one thing to lie to her parents (oh Caylee and I were staying at Zannys, when maybe they were at Ricardo's or someplace else) but why tell her friends that?

Makes zero sense to me unless, like I said, Caylee was stashed.

JUST A THEORY, JUST MY OPINION.

summer

09-14-2009, 07:19 PM

Anyway I'm running out - don't want to look like I'm not up for debate, Des...... catch up with you tomorrow probably... :wub:

desmom

09-14-2009, 07:20 PM

I've seen the pictures, her friends say she didn't drink much but she was passed out, IMO she was doing something other than just drinking.

I thought it was George and Cindy that said Casey didn't drink much.

She sure liked to drink on June 20 because charged $60 worth of drinks to Tone's account at Fusians.

Looked like she was having a good time at the Anything But Clothes Party too http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/19579048/detail.html

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 07:25 PM

I don't think Caylee was drugged on the last day/night of her life. I think she was killed in a rage too, suffocated by duct tape.

There are many things that speak to me of Caylee being drugged in her life, not the least of which is ... where was she when she wasn't with Casey and she wasn't with Cindy & George and she wasn't with a babysitter?

She had to be somewhere, alone, and she had to be kept quiet. Hence my mind turns to drugs. Anyhoo...

Apparently we can't speak of drugging the baby unless we speak of it in the context of her death, sis.

I think we're better off PM'ing each other on the subject. :bored:

*Serenity*

09-14-2009, 07:28 PM

Per Casey's friends, Cindy has a history of calling Casey to tell her it was time to come home.

I believe Cindy did call Casey that night. Cindy is all about appearances. How would it look if Cindy told LE she called her 21-22 year old daughter at her boyfriend's house to tell her it was time to bring Caylee home? Cindy has told several media outlets and LE she was not a prying mother. :rolleyes:

IMO, that is why Casey "worked" nights. If Casey was at work, Cindy would not call her about curfew.

Cindy was forcing Casey to step up to the plate and be Caylee's Mother. Meaning stay home and watch her, give her dinner, play with her, give her bath, read her bedtime story!! Casey was having nothing to do with any of that!! AND Cindy didn't spend much time with Caylee herself. Working all day and a few hours in the evening to get Caylee fed, watch a movie, and off to bed! Caylee was in the way for all of them and hence the reason she had more toys, and movies than any child I know. ANYTHING to keep her entertained and out of their hair.

No day care or toddler pre-school going on so Caylee could be with other children and develop any type of social skills either! Caylee's life was strapped in a car seat staring at the back of Casey's head, and told to be quiet while Casey yacked on the phone.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 07:31 PM

Summer do you (or anyone else on the boards) know of a time before June 15 when Caylee was not with Cindy, George or Casey? TIA

How would we know? They all lie. :confused:

kakax

09-14-2009, 07:32 PM

Apparently we can't speak of drugging the baby unless we speak of it in the context of her death, sis.

I think we're better off PM'ing each other on the subject. :bored:

No, no no no no no no. LOL! I think some of us just don't think it has as much of a role in her death than others. Just a matter of opinion since we really don't know what happened. We can guess and speculate, but we really don't know.

We usually don't disagree on much around here. I think we all will admit that it would not be farfetched for her to have drugged her seeing as she threw her away like trash.

Make sense?:wub:

kakax

09-14-2009, 07:34 PM

How would we know? They all lie. :confused:

Glad I'm not putting this case together. It makes my head spin.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 07:37 PM

I thought it was George and Cindy that said Casey didn't drink much.

She sure liked to drink on June 20 because charged $60 worth of drinks to Tone's account at Fusians.

Looked like she was having a good time at the Anything But Clothes Party too http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/19579048/detail.html

Annie Downing said it also and a couple of other people can't remember everybody. I'm sure she didn't drink that much alone, but then again maybe $10 a drink 6 drinks that's not unreasonable.

legalmania

09-14-2009, 07:44 PM

OK..feel better now that I know it wasn't personal....

Hope you feel better..:rose:

Thank you Barbara I was off trying to look like I had a productive day. I accomplished nothing today, that codeine made me feel pretty good, but it's getting night and now is when I start to feel bad again. So thanks again and I better rest.:seeya:

Here I cheer some people up, SHUT UP LEGAL, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOUR TALKING ABOUT.

KatieLady

09-14-2009, 07:47 PM

Thank you Barbara I was off trying to look like I had a productive day. I accomplished nothing today, that codeine made me feel pretty good, but it's getting night and now is when I start to feel bad again. So thanks again and I better rest.:seeya:

Here I cheer some people up, SHUT UP LEGAL, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOUR TALKING ABOUT.

LOL Legal! That is funny :laugh:

Hope you feel better!

Dells

09-14-2009, 08:00 PM

Try this - http://63.119.11.61/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-21/the-evidence-yoursquore-not-allowed-to-see/
And I'm sorry I brought this up.

Thanks for bringing this link up again. Great article!:thumbup: I love her writing style. I hope she is right about a lot of damning evidence being held back...

kakax

09-14-2009, 08:02 PM

Thanks for bringing this link up again. Great article!:thumbup: I love her writing style. I hope she is right about a lot of damning evidence being held back...

Me too. I definitely believe we don't have it all. Can't wait to find out all of the evidence.

Doc dump sometime soon, please!!

BTW, as soon as I scoot over to other boards, I realize how good we have it here. People are at each other's throats all the time. Love you guys!

Dells

09-14-2009, 08:10 PM

I thought it was George and Cindy that said Casey didn't drink much.

She sure liked to drink on June 20 because charged $60 worth of drinks to Tone's account at Fusians.

Looked like she was having a good time at the Anything But Clothes Party too http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/19579048/detail.html

Bolding mine....

So true! I bet Casey was also buying drinks for her friends there and putting it on TonE's tab that night as well. She was probably trying to reciprocate from when others bought her drinks, which was probably most of the time. Casey is always so generous when it is someone else's dime.:rolleyes:

And yes, based on numerous pictures I have seen of Casey, she LOVED to drink.

kakax

09-14-2009, 08:14 PM

Bolding mine....

So true! I bet Casey was also buying drinks for her friends there and putting it on TonE's tab that night as well. She was probably trying to reciprocate from when others bought her drinks, which was probably most of the time. Casey is always so generous when it is someone else's dime.:rolleyes:

And yes, based on numerous pictures I have seen of Casey, she LOVED to drink.

Someone who followed the different postings of Casey on other people's Myspaces would know better than me, but I also remember her posting that she got trashed and threatened to kill someoneone...good time or something like that. Maybe not kill someone but it was something violent.

Piratexox

09-14-2009, 08:16 PM

Me too. I definitely believe we don't have it all. Can't wait to find out all of the evidence.

Doc dump sometime soon, please!!

BTW, as soon as I scoot over to other boards, I realize how good we have it here. People are at each other's throats all the time. Love you guys!

I think some of it is still w/ the FBI. Didn't they do the fingerprint report? Also isn't Team Baez having trouble getting information from them?

kakax

09-14-2009, 08:18 PM

I think some of it is still w/ the FBI. Didn't they do the fingerprint report? Also isn't Team Baez having trouble getting information from them?

I know they were claiming they weren't getting information.

A lot of people believe that the maggots will also reveal some pretty important evidence and that hasn't been released either.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 08:20 PM

I think some of it is still w/ the FBI. Didn't they do the fingerprint report? Also isn't Team Baez having trouble getting information from them?

I don't think the state has everything back from the FBI. That seems to be their standard answer in hearings when the defense complains they aren't getting the discovery.

That's why I also think this could still be an "active investigation" as described in the Sunshine Laws, and why some evidence, though back in the state's hands from the various labs, hasn't been made public.

Bala

09-14-2009, 08:22 PM

Piratexox

09-14-2009, 08:25 PM

Neffy

09-14-2009, 08:31 PM

I already answered this question, her friend is lying, Casey took xanax and so did her friends they bought them illegally. Cindy didn't have them so they were buying them from somebody. I think it's cruel to make in front of a flu that is killing children. Maybe it's better you keep some of your thoughts to yourself.

:rolleyes:, :rolleyes: and :rolleyes: Maybe we should stick to the case MORE then all about legalmania by legalmania.

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 08:34 PM

I really truly believe that SA has some good evidence...even if it is circumstantial...the death penalty was on, then off, then on again...once it was on again, I have to believe they have the evidence to back it up...they know the law and what is expected.

we have not seen Mark Hawkins' interview nor his phone records, and/or text msgs casey might have sent him.

if he has knowledge of CA formulating a plan (conning her way there) to get to California, that information will be highly damaging.

MH can fill in the blanks (her lies to him) as to why she wanted to go to him in California. WITHOUT CAYLEE. Caylee was with her mother? caylee was going to join them later? if he provides this type of information, the defense is going to have a BIG problem as it relates to her wanting to leave the state...with no thought process as to Caylee.

kind of blows away her statement to LE/her parents that she would DO ANYTHING to find Caylee...

not if she was planning a trip, coupled with telling NO ONE her daughter was gone. which the jury can infer was for OBVIOUS reasons.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Neffy

09-14-2009, 08:36 PM

we have not seen Mark Hawkins' interview nor his phone records, and/or text msgs casey might have sent him.

if he has knowledge of CA formulating a plan (conning her way there) to get to California, that information will be highly damaging.
MH can fill in the blanks (her lies to him) as to why she wanted to go to him in California. WITHOUT CAYLEE. Caylee was with her mother? caylee was going to join them later? if he provides this type of information, the defense is going to have a BIG problem as it relates to her wanting to leave the state...with no thought process as to Caylee.

kind of blows away her statement to LE/her parents that she would DO ANYTHING to find Caylee...

not if she was planning a trip, coupled with telling NO ONE her daughter was gone. which the jury can infer was for OBVIOUS reasons.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Hey Pru! (bolding mine) I would LOVE to know more about that.
Although Casey also said she was working on going to PR also but I'd like to get some statements from Mark. :)

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 08:49 PM

BBM. Do you think this is in reference to C&G&L? I hope so. You would think that CA's case is wrapped up because the SA never says they need more time to prepare.

I'm thinking it's still about the case against Casey. As long as the defense is (predictably) dragging things out, the state can take its time and continue to investigate and put ever more pieces of the puzzle together.

I'm speculating, by the way.

desmom

09-14-2009, 08:51 PM

we have not seen Mark Hawkins' interview nor his phone records, and/or text msgs casey might have sent him.

if he has knowledge of CA formulating a plan (conning her way there) to get to California, that information will be highly damaging.

MH can fill in the blanks (her lies to him) as to why she wanted to go to him in California. WITHOUT CAYLEE. Caylee was with her mother? caylee was going to join them later? if he provides this type of information, the defense is going to have a BIG problem as it relates to her wanting to leave the state...with no thought process as to Caylee.

kind of blows away her statement to LE/her parents that she would DO ANYTHING to find Caylee...

not if she was planning a trip, coupled with telling NO ONE her daughter was gone. which the jury can infer was for OBVIOUS reasons.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Hmmm, forgot about him. He may have a wealth of information re Casey.

We have never seen an interview with Mallory either.

Is there anyone else?

kelloggirl

09-14-2009, 08:54 PM

I don't think the state has everything back from the FBI. That seems to be their standard answer in hearings when the defense complains they aren't getting the discovery.

That's why I also think this could still be an "active investigation" as described in the Sunshine Laws, and why some evidence, though back in the state's hands from the various labs, hasn't been made public.

Yes, I remember that there were some things in some of the doc dumps that the results were dated as late as June 2009, which I found very surprising since they included tests from the car and the evidence in it like the trash, which they've had since Day 31. So stuff related to the site of Caylee's body is probably still being re-tested. I think there are likely preliminary tests, first-round tests, second-round tests, and a triple-checking test on each and every area of evidence. That takes a lot of time. There is no way that the State wants to release prelim tests given Linda Kenney-Baden and her sure-to-be fierce attacks on every single procedure in all this testing which is of course all "junk science" anyway.

happygert

09-14-2009, 09:00 PM

I don't have links or quotes but here's one if we can believe it... where was Caylee the night they stayed over at Ricardo's when supposedly Casey took her back to Cindy's in the middle of the night and yet Cindy says it didn't happen? I don't believe Cindy liar pants anyway but if this is true then... where?

I also think there were other times but I cannot quantify them. I truly don't believe Caylee was with Casey every moment of every day when she wasn't with the grandparents. Just going on my feeling and I'm glad I'm not having to swear under oath. Casey was a crap, negligent mother and I believe it's possible Caylee was stashed a lot of times.

Summer, I've asked that same question many times.. Where was Caylee that night? imo casey put her int he trunk of that car.. ITA Caylee was stashed somewhere where no one would see her, and not where Caylee could move or get out if she woke up.. umm where would that be? oh yeah maybe the trunk of her car..

Here's some suggestions of other posters which I dont believe any of these places would be feasible If she put her outside in the shed like some have suggested and if she woke up and started to cry someone would hear her.. If she was put in playhouse and woke up she'd get out of there and try to get into the house some one would hear her.. If she was put in the abandoned house she would be able to get out of there , if she was put in the woods to sleep she would have been bitten by bugs and maybe other animals, wondered out of there if she woke up.. none of those theories work for me

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 09:02 PM

Yes, I remember that there were some things in some of the doc dumps that the results were dated as late as June 2009, which I found very surprising since they included tests from the car and the evidence in it like the trash, which they've had since Day 31. So stuff related to the site of Caylee's body is probably still being re-tested. I think there are likely preliminary tests, first-round tests, second-round tests, and a triple-checking test on each and every area of evidence. That takes a lot of time. There is no way that the State wants to release prelim tests given Linda Kenney-Baden and her sure-to-be fierce attacks on every single procedure in all this testing which is of course all "junk science" anyway.

Yep, and test results on one thing could prompt testing of some other thing ... it's like peeling an onion. I'm sure the state is taking this time to flesh out the time line. Every bit of additional information they can gather could be potentially helpful in making their case against the OC.

kelloggirl

09-14-2009, 09:02 PM

Also Mark's Ex-wife...the one that aborted Lee Anthony's baby.....we have not heard from her either.

We should all see who we have not heard from and kind of come to the conclusion that that is where the damning evidence is....

Thoughts?

That reminds me, in those blog posts, Lee Anthony spews a lot of bitterness towards Mark's ex-wife. Mark Hawkins has also been suggested as a potential father of Caylee. If he was, and Lee knew it, it would go a long way to Lee's disattachment towards Caylee - seeing the offspring of the man who this other woman aborted his baby for. Might explain why his CMA was directed only at his sister and not his supposedly beloved niece.

In fact, if I were driving the bus, I might consider throwing Lee under it.

msgatorslayer

09-14-2009, 09:03 PM

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 09:03 PM

I want to see an in-depth interview with Dr. G, but I guess that ain't gonna happen. <sigh>

After the trial, she might cover the case on her show. Lots of really interesting information comes out of her show on the various autopsies she performs.

kakax

09-14-2009, 09:04 PM

spots...

we have not heard from:

Mark Hawkins
His ex-wife...(Can't remember name)

Who else?

We haven't seen an interview with Rick, Cindy's brother. Or one with George's friend Jim that was spoken about during the BH's interviews. Mallory, someone mentioned in a post upthread. Can't think of anyone else at the moment.

really3997

09-14-2009, 09:10 PM

The Anthony's can be seen in this video clip, taken in Tallahasse today, for Missing Children's Day.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/9/14/520861.html?title=Families+gather+for+Florida+Miss ing+Children's+Day

Click on 'Video"

"Science can be a remarkable tool in cracking cold cases" They don't call it Junk. I see Caylee pic is not included in this.

Chardonnay

09-14-2009, 09:10 PM

Please excuse the OT... Patrick Swayze died..

Bala

09-14-2009, 09:12 PM

We haven't seen an interview with Rick, Cindy's brother. Or one with George's friend Jim that was spoken about during the BH's interviews. Mallory, someone mentioned in a post upthread. Can't think of anyone else at the moment.
I'm wondering about Mallory myself. I remember reading that she broke up with Lee when this first happened and he was really upset. I wonder if the breakup had anything to do with the case against his sister or his involvement?

kakax

09-14-2009, 09:12 PM

Please excuse the OT... Patrick Swayze died..

:sad: So sad. Thanks for the news.

msgatorslayer

09-14-2009, 09:14 PM

Please excuse the OT... Patrick Swayze died..

:sad: But expected.

msgatorslayer

09-14-2009, 09:15 PM

Thanks, but no thanks. I've seen that movie too many times. George and Cindy Do Tallahassee. whoopee

:lol: They keep busy!

really3997

09-14-2009, 09:18 PM

:lol: They keep busy!

Did you notice less and less is said about them as they continue. No local media covered it. And their names were not mentioned. Just a thought maybe their 15mins are up.

really3997

09-14-2009, 09:20 PM

msgatorslayer

09-14-2009, 09:22 PM

Did you notice less and less is said about them as they continue. No local media covered it. And their names were not mentioned. Just a thought maybe their 15mins are up.

Yeah, I sure did notice that.

After seeing an article about the event in my local news and not seeing them named, I checked out all my other locals before going to Orlando news where I was pleasantly surprised not to see any mention.

I thought that I was wrong by saying the other day that they'd probably be at this event. Until I clicked on the one video story I could find and, bam, there they were.

Neffy

09-14-2009, 09:23 PM

Well we haven't heard from Zanny the Nanny..:scared:

:scared::laugh:

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:23 PM

Did you notice less and less is said about them as they continue. No local media covered it. And their names were not mentioned. Just a thought maybe their 15mins are up.

They simply don't fit into the groups they have insinuated themselves into. They may attend these gatherings, but they really aren't part of them. I'm sure tht those who have genuinely missing children will never understand the Anthony's attitude toward searching for their granddaughter. And I am sure they will never understand not questioning the one who saw her last, their own daughter. It must make for an akward situation.

JMO

really3997

09-14-2009, 09:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/user/marinadedave

jammies

09-14-2009, 09:24 PM

Well we haven't heard from Zanny the Nanny..:scared:

Or Zack (?) the other child she babysat.

Bala

09-14-2009, 09:26 PM

Hey, Mac! I'm out of the loop on this one.

Care to share?

TIA
Casey was dating Mark Hawkins well Lee was dating his ex. She got pregnant and had an abortion. He wasn't happy about it at all.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 09:26 PM

If you're not under heavy medication, I'm OK with that. :wink:

At the moment I'm under the influence of a handful of Cheetos and two sips of a glass of chardonnay. I think you're safe. :laugh:

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 09:29 PM

Please excuse the OT... Patrick Swayze died..

Oh, wow. Thanks, Chard.

I'm always surprised by news like this, and I shouldn't be.

RIP, Patrick :rose:

kelloggirl

09-14-2009, 09:29 PM

I thought the timeline showed MH was "unavailable" at the necessary time?

Lee under the bus sounds attractive, though.

Ah, you are probably right about that, I just didn't remember. I'm sure we can think of something else to throw Lee under the bus for. Certainly the CMAAAAAAAAAA Wailing qualifies as a public assault on decency! :tongue:

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 09:31 PM

Thanks, but no thanks. I've seen that movie too many times. George and Cindy Do Tallahassee. whoopee

Yeah, same here. I'll sit here by you and read what others post about it. :laugh:

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 09:39 PM

Ah, you are probably right about that, I just didn't remember. I'm sure we can think of something else to throw Lee under the bus for. Certainly the CMAAAAAAAAAA Wailing qualifies as a public assault on decency! :tongue:

The tubesocks. Don't forget the tubesocks. :thumbdown:

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:40 PM

OMG. He's the one with the book deal.

After reading those writings....IMO...he's the one.

2w4u

Who ??????????

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:42 PM

o/t

:ohmy: How old is he?

57 .........

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:43 PM

Tubesocks.

2w4u

Ya think he has a book deal?

really3997

09-14-2009, 09:44 PM

Homicide of the English Language?

But Cindy says they are all writers:confused:

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:46 PM

But Cindy says they are all writers:confused:

Cindy lies.

kakax

09-14-2009, 09:47 PM

But Cindy says they are all writers:confused:

She also says Casey was Mother of the Year!! rofl

really3997

09-14-2009, 09:49 PM

I don't see that Cindy said they are all *good* writers.

Shakespeare is rotating in his grave at warp speed.

Ok but if you tell there is no Santa next I am going to be sad:thumbup:

jakee

09-14-2009, 09:49 PM

Cindy lies.

:laugh: Made me laugh.

*Serenity*

09-14-2009, 09:50 PM

Casey was dating Mark Hawkins well Lee was dating his ex. She got pregnant and had an abortion. He wasn't happy about it at all.

Hmm... amazing he wasn't all to happy about Tara aborting his child, however he has NO PROBLEM AT ALL with his sister murdering her 2 year old child, his very own niece. What a piece of work.

Casey don't know who Caylee's father is-- that's just pretty simple to figure out! She was doing so many at the same time, same night, it would be impossible for her to know. AND if she was in a black out drinking she don't even remember who, or how many she did.

IMO of course... :)

Bala

09-14-2009, 09:50 PM

Not sure if everyone know but Patrick Swayze passed away today. Just like to send out my prayers to his family.

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:51 PM

After reading his old blog......

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about18007-0-asc-0.html

I think there is a possibility. All the rumors and reports didn't say the he or Mallory had anything to do with the book deal, did they?

And he seems to have a lot of penned up anger and appears to love degrading people.

All JMO.

2w4u

ETA...Thanks Spots...

Hmmmmmmm maybe for Harlequin Romances?????

bchand

09-14-2009, 09:53 PM

The Anthony's can be seen in this video clip, taken in Tallahasse today, for Missing Children's Day.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/9/14/520861.html?title=Families+gather+for+Florida+Miss ing+Children's+Day

Click on 'Video"

I saw Haleigh Cummings picture up on the stage and Ron & his son I would assume went up there. They sat very close to G & C. Wonder if they spoke?

http://i25.tinypic.com/10dii2o.jpg

apothecary

09-14-2009, 09:55 PM

Not sure if everyone know but Patrick Swayze passed away today. Just like to send out my prayers to his family.
Awwww..what a shame.I liked him:sad:

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:55 PM

Damn straight he has a book or movie deal in the works....He could care less what people think of him

Lee Anthony starring in:

My Sister did it..or
My sister the whacko...or
How to survive with a house of sociopaths and a father that has no spine...without really trying.I like the last one myself

I like that one too. :)

cassidy

09-14-2009, 09:56 PM

Even Harlequin Romances have their standards. Low, but they do have them.

Well his blog read like an audition :)

Katprint

09-14-2009, 09:56 PM

I don't see that Cindy said they are all *good* writers.

Shakespeare is rotating in his grave at warp speed.
Maybe the "writer" thing was a classic Anthony half-truth? Like maybe she was referring to the mechanical action of writing, like someone might manipulate a pen to write on checks they had stolen from their best friend? In other words, all of the Anthonys can physically write letters and numbers thus they are "writers"?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

msgatorslayer

09-14-2009, 10:01 PM

I saw Haleigh Cummings picture up on the stage and Ron & his son I would assume went up there. They sat very close to G & C. Wonder if they spoke?

http://i25.tinypic.com/10dii2o.jpg

I seen a clip on my tv news a few moments ago and it showed Ron holding his Son up to Haleigh's picture and placing a flower in the vase.

The big news from this years event appears to be the new laws the family of Tiffany Sessions and Jennifer Kesse have pushed for.

cassidy

09-14-2009, 10:01 PM

Speaking of Mally-Bu, her current mood is "fabulous."

I'm sure you were all ~dying~ to know that.

Mally-Bu! (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=33318424)

Thanks Spots. I like to keep up with the day-to-day mood changes of Mally-Bu.
:biggrinjester:

really3997

09-14-2009, 10:04 PM

No...just remember that Cindy now knows her one grandaughter was murdered by her daughter....and her son's future baby was aborted by the mother....

Do you think she likes her kids or the Grandfather that was not there when the grandkids needed him the most???....Cindy will be the first one to file for divorce, once this ends...if she does'nt do something stupid first

No Mac This has the makings or "War of the Roses" no one will part with ALL of the money..they will destroy each other trying. JMO

really3997

09-14-2009, 10:06 PM

Sorry for the abscence today...hard to sit down....had an epidural today and it feels like someone hit me in the back with a bat......should be better tomorrow.....new medicine:rolleyes:

Is everyone on MEDS but me..:cursing:

KittyMom

09-14-2009, 10:07 PM

Anyone checked Judge Pepto's ranking lately?

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:09 PM

We haven't seen an interview with Rick, Cindy's brother. Or one with George's friend Jim that was spoken about during the BH's interviews. Mallory, someone mentioned in a post upthread. Can't think of anyone else at the moment.

hey kakax,

here is Rick:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Plesea,%20Rick.082108.pdf

no Jim Campbell (I believe thats his name), no Mallory.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:13 PM

Hey Pru! (bolding mine) I would LOVE to know more about that.
Although Casey also said she was working on going to PR also but I'd like to get some statements from Mark. :)

Hi Neffy, IIRC, there was alot of phone activity with Mark during the tail end of 'getting caught without Caylee"...while she was stringing Will Waters along while she was bunking with Tony....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

KittyMom

09-14-2009, 10:15 PM

568 :thumbdown: :D

Judge Rotten (http://www.ratethecourts.com/judge.php?id=152278)

:thumbsup: Bet he really does his homework before his next round on the ZFG case. lol

kelloggirl

09-14-2009, 10:16 PM

Sort of O/T, but looks like Michelle Bart has found another poor unspecting missing person's family to leech onto. She's wormed her way into the Lindsay Baum case (thread in the Amber Alerts). I guess she's done sucking the Caylee Anthony case dry, or just needs some fresh blood. :mad:

Bala

09-14-2009, 10:17 PM

I saw Haleigh Cummings picture up on the stage and Ron & his son I would assume went up there. They sat very close to G & C. Wonder if they spoke?

http://i25.tinypic.com/10dii2o.jpg
This is what really turned me off of the A's. This is the kind of thing they should have been doing instead of trying to pay off their mortgage and credit card bills. There are a lot of Casey's out there who don't take proper care of their children and the A's could have found to make it easier for grandparents to step in and care for and protect their grandchildren. This would have gone a long way to earn my respect not that I'm sure the A's care if I respect them or not. JMO

bchand

09-14-2009, 10:18 PM

Do you think Lee has the Tube sock action going on under the table there????

lol I was just imagining them under his tux at his wedding.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 10:19 PM

Is everyone on MEDS but me..:cursing:

I'm not, really. Really, I'm not. :laugh:

bchand

09-14-2009, 10:21 PM

Is everyone on MEDS but me..:cursing:

I take nothing but fish oil. lol (the burpless kind too)

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:22 PM

No Mac This has the makings or "War of the Roses" no one will part with ALL of the money..they will destroy each other trying. JMO

unfortunately for George, he wont be included in the war....after all, he wasnt 'allowed' to go to the bank to withdraw money to get the car out of impound...Cindy had to do that herself....me thinks GA has zero access to any of the money after his 'cough cough' financial downfall, because according to him, he was STOOPID....<---not my words, his words telling LE/FBI all of his financial shenanigans.....

GA was chatty chatty about all of that (working the room), but failed to mention that he committed fraud (per Cindy's mom Shirley), that he obtained CC's in Cindy's name without her knowledge).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Bala

09-14-2009, 10:24 PM

Maybe the "writer" thing was a classic Anthony half-truth? Like maybe she was referring to the mechanical action of writing, like someone might manipulate a pen to write on checks they had stolen from their best friend? In other words, all of the Anthonys can physically write letters and numbers thus they are "writers"?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Katprint if your still here I have a question I've been wanting to ask. I know that the State can't mention the LDT as far as Casey goes but can they bring up the fact the rest of the family refused to take one during the trial while they're on the stand. I would love to hear the State ask Cindy "Isn't it true you George and Lee refused to take a LDT? Why wouldn't you want to do absolutely everything you could to help find Caylee?"

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:25 PM

Night everyone...gonna try to lie down.....see y'all tomorrow

nite mac...be well.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

kakax

09-14-2009, 10:25 PM

hey kakax,

here is Rick:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Plesea,%20Rick.082108.pdf

no Jim Campbell (I believe thats his name), no Mallory.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Thanks Pru!! Had no idea this was out there.

really3997

09-14-2009, 10:25 PM

You are probably right..Baez will be at the front of the line with his hand out too. This is why we have to keep the public aware of what is really going on down here in Florida. The donations have to stop and any feelings for this lying, deceiving, manipulating, sociopathic, Grandmother...has got to stop as well.

I think it has Mac. Gamma is not get the press she used to. The local media don't ask her any questions anymore. Her 15 min is fading away. Which means something really stupid is coming our way. JMO

frances1

09-14-2009, 10:26 PM

The Anthony's can be seen in this video clip, taken in Tallahasse today, for Missing Children's Day.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/9/14/520861.html?title=Families+gather+for+Florida+Miss ing+Children's+Day

Click on 'Video"

Thanks for that link, Msgatorslayer. Oh, those two just infuriate me. They are determined to establish themselves as grandparents of a 'missing child', when, in truth, she was thrown away in a trash bag by their evil daughter. Just one more photo op for them.

kakax

09-14-2009, 10:27 PM

I'm not, but reading here today I felt the need for something.

2w4u

:lol::lol: I did too!

Amused

09-14-2009, 10:27 PM

OK...

Mark Hawkins
Tara Hawkins
Rick Pleasea
Jim Campbell
Mallory

.................

Somewhere in this list is the nail in The Anthony's Coffin......it's there....we just have to wait for it I guess.....My guess is Rick.....a lot of venom in those E-Mails

I just watched the interviews with Rick (Cindy's brother) on you tube over the weekend. If you haven't listened to that interview yet....
get over and listen.

It is WORTH IT!

I'm pretty sure I listened to the Jim Campbell interview also (unless I'm mixing up names here)

The Anthony neighbors' interview was also entertaining.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 10:29 PM

568 :thumbdown: :D

Judge Rotten (http://www.ratethecourts.com/judge.php?id=152278)

Can't wait til he's in front of a media camera again. I'm sure he'll make reference to his tanking reputation. :laugh:

kakax

09-14-2009, 10:30 PM

unfortunately for George, he wont be included in the war....after all, he wasnt 'allowed' to go to the bank to withdraw money to get the car out of impound...Cindy had to do that herself....me thinks GA has zero access to any of the money after his 'cough cough' financial downfall, because according to him, he was STOOPID....<---not my words, his words telling LE/FBI all of his financial shenanigans.....

GA was chatty chatty about all of that (working the room), but failed to mention that he committed fraud (per Cindy's mom Shirley), that he obtained CC's in Cindy's name without her knowledge).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Amazing isn't it. Lay it out like that...I just can't have an ounce of sympathy for them. Poor Caylee. No one to watch out for her best interests. They were all too busy screwing up their own lives to care a lick about her. Make me very sad.

Off to read Rick's interview...my own little Pru generated doc dump.

Thanks again!

frances1

09-14-2009, 10:31 PM

kakax

09-14-2009, 10:32 PM

I have succumbed to the temptation. :blushing:

Good for you!

Let us know if things become more clear. LOL!

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:35 PM

Thanks Pru!! Had no idea this was out there.

your welcome k.......kind of a rehash about what he blogged about regarding the family dynamics......but when I read his emails exchanged with Cindy, its clear who is the nut and who isnt....he gave very good advice to stop reiterating Casey's STORY a/k/a lies because it was nonsensical.

and within those exchanges, Cindy continued to lie for Casey, most notably about the birthday check from Shirley....first she claims she never cashed it, but stole the router number only....YIKES! and then makes an excuse it was ONLY ONE TIME...NO IT WASNT.....and that it was only $50......as if that excuses the action itself.....IMO, that is DESPICABLE, and Rick felt it too....

goodness....minimizing a theft because of the amount?

most importantly: the birthday check: IT WAS CASHED.....its in evidence.....Cindy, ever the liar.

so what is a sibling to do when dealing with a psychopath like Cindy....you give up. he already witnessed the pregnancy denial....

that says it all about his sister and her family. Casey lies in a heartbeat, just like CIndy.....IMO, its inherited as well as learned....

Im still curious as to the use of the word BETRAYAL in Cindy's July 3rd blog......too wierd....doesnt belong there, out of place....which is why I believe we will never know the entire STORY behind this family (although I think we know enough): ...the house of secrets...they all lie and deceive each other. for sport?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:38 PM

Amazing isn't it. Lay it out like that...I just can't have an ounce of sympathy for them. Poor Caylee. No one to watch out for her best interests. They were all too busy screwing up their own lives to care a lick about her. Make me very sad.

Off to read Rick's interview...my own little Pru generated doc dump.

Thanks again!

Im no desmom, and I have intention to achieve that level....its unreachable.....pure luck lol :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

bchand

09-14-2009, 10:43 PM

Thanks for that link, Msgatorslayer. Oh, those two just infuriate me. They are determined to establish themselves as grandparents of a 'missing child', when, in truth, she was thrown away in a trash bag by their evil daughter. Just one more photo op for them.

But did you notice how classy Jennifer Kesse's parent were? They were dressed so nicely and spoke so well.

In contrast.....................

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:44 PM

I also noticed that LE did not attempt to dissuade him of this self-assessment.

They knew.

right....and..IMO: GA was offering himself up (selectively) to obtain information about the investigation....... IMO, he really did believe it was going to be quid pro quo....as he proved quite nicely when he started asking questions and making requests to be notified "IF" something 'came up' that he had to prepare Cindy for...

he really thought they viewed him as one of the boys....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

bchand

09-14-2009, 10:45 PM

Can't wait til he's in front of a media camera again. I'm sure he'll make reference to his tanking reputation. :laugh:

I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't put it past him.

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:45 PM

Mmmmmmmmmmm, I dunno. Somehow "sport" implies that they are athletes. I'm not seeing that in any of the Anthonys.

How about "as part of a cruel game" or "a narcissistic battle?"

I know. Splitting hairs.

excellent. you hit it.

P vs P.....<----always my thoughts as to their relationship from that very first jailhouse call.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

really3997

09-14-2009, 10:48 PM

night all..:seeya:

KittyMom

09-14-2009, 10:51 PM

Can't wait til he's in front of a media camera again. I'm sure he'll make reference to his tanking reputation. :laugh:

And how the media has turned the FLaB's against him. boo-hoo

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 10:53 PM

he actually wrote a letter to LE pledging cooperation.

never happened. after she was arrested for murder, she agreed, he wouldnt allow it, with him by her side as her attorney...

come to think of it, I wouldnt allow myself to sit with LE if I were Baez.....he KNEW he couldnt handle it. he would make a mistake. best not do anything.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5168786/Casey-Anthony-Baez-letter-for-OCSO

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

bchand

09-14-2009, 10:53 PM

night all..:seeya:

Nite really - have a good one.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 10:54 PM

right....and..IMO: GA was offering himself up (selectively) to obtain information about the investigation....... IMO, he really did believe it was going to be quid pro quo....as he proved quite nicely when he started asking questions and making requests to be notified "IF" something 'came up' that he had to prepare Cindy for...

he really thought they viewed him as one of the boys....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

That's what happens when you live in the Bubble House, Pru. You lose all touch with reality.

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 10:55 PM

night all..:seeya:

Niters! :seeya:

Neffy

09-14-2009, 11:01 PM

The Anthony's can be seen in this video clip, taken in Tallahasse today, for Missing Children's Day.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/9/14/520861.html?title=Families+gather+for+Florida+Miss ing+Children's+Day

Click on 'Video"

They were just caught in the corner of the video on Issues w/ Jane V tonight but not ONE WORD about them. About time! I only noticed them because I was looking.

The focus was on Jennifer Kesse with her father speaking.

Everyone there trying to find their missing loved ones and Jane discussed the perp with Mr. Kesse.

Anthony's there with that iron curtain around the perp. How they can do it is beyond me.

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 11:04 PM

:scared: Are you referring to that *high-profile* premier Hispanic Attorney?

the one that stands in front of the media and crybaby's about personal attacks on HISSSSELF...and begins a media tour (all 1 or 2 with a mike) and a few hanger arounds on the sidewalk, that he is UPSET about their portrayal of him...that Jose Baez....

SOOOOOOOOOOOO professional...he has a self-control issue, just like his client. the only way he can keep her contained is to prohibit contact with her family...thats the ONLY smart thing he has done....but it also shows that she cannot be trusted to interact with anyone but his staff....and if she has a meltdown with them, well thats PRIVILEGED.....thats pretty bad IMO

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence........*

KittyMom

09-14-2009, 11:12 PM

I just read them I think for the first time.

Somehow I missed this bit of info about the marine and his ex pairing up with siblings.

That to me is creepy, but also the style of Lee's writing.

Caylee was born 2005....Lee's child was to be born in 2006???

Seems strange to me, to say the least.

2w4u

Really makes one wonder about the news that Casey had to share with MH.

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 11:14 PM

This does not surprise me in the least. Like mother like son and daughter in all ways.

Cindy does nothing but degrade people. You can bet that's all she did to Casey in the house is degrade her and instead of helping her emotionally through her life as she was growing up she put her down all the time out of jealousy. IIRC, when Cindy and Amy went to TonE's to get Casey that night she announced to all Casey's friends what a thief she was and a bad friend, etc.
Now that should not have ever been done no matter what the circumstances were.
Cindy could care less. While she's busy degrading people it makes her feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
It was said that she did the same to George, too.
Oh, and the news media when she was hammering that sign in the front yard. Also, at the deposition when she turned towards Zaneida Gonzalez about Zaneida not being a "10".

Of course Lee is degrading.:sneaky:

so when the defense says the Anthonys were threatened, if they choose the preposterous theory, the drug people OR ANYONE, the state will have Cindy's hammering video where she says THREATS????? she screams:

WE HAVENT BEEN GETTING ANY THREATS! WHO SAID THAT? DID IT COME FROM ME?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P40IMgkONXk

and then asked the million dollar question: HAVE I LIED TO ANY OF YOU GUYS YET?

OMG.....

only starting with Casey was on vacation......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 11:16 PM

Really makes one wonder about the news that Casey had to share with MH.

again, that is what casey told CINDY. not what actually transpired between MH and Casey on the phone. similar to what Casey told CIndy about Jeff Hopkins: they are building a life together....lol

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

kakax

09-14-2009, 11:22 PM

your welcome k.......kind of a rehash about what he blogged about regarding the family dynamics......but when I read his emails exchanged with Cindy, its clear who is the nut and who isnt....he gave very good advice to stop reiterating Casey's STORY a/k/a lies because it was nonsensical.

and within those exchanges, Cindy continued to lie for Casey, most notably about the birthday check from Shirley....first she claims she never cashed it, but stole the router number only....YIKES! and then makes an excuse it was ONLY ONE TIME...NO IT WASNT.....and that it was only $50......as if that excuses the action itself.....IMO, that is DESPICABLE, and Rick felt it too....

goodness....minimizing a theft because of the amount?

most importantly: the birthday check: IT WAS CASHED.....its in evidence.....Cindy, ever the liar.

so what is a sibling to do when dealing with a psychopath like Cindy....you give up. he already witnessed the pregnancy denial....

that says it all about his sister and her family. Casey lies in a heartbeat, just like CIndy.....IMO, its inherited as well as learned....

Im still curious as to the use of the word BETRAYAL in Cindy's July 3rd blog......too wierd....doesnt belong there, out of place....which is why I believe we will never know the entire STORY behind this family (although I think we know enough): ...the house of secrets...they all lie and deceive each other. for sport?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Just finished reading it... unbelievable. I remember reading the emails. You could hear the desperation in his tone trying to get her to understand what was really happening. She just won't listen. To anyone. And won't listen ever.

Did someone say that Jim's interview was on youtube? I think I am going to try to find that interview. Another one I missed somehow.

kakax

09-14-2009, 11:28 PM

I just read them I think for the first time.

Somehow I missed this bit of info about the marine and his ex pairing up with siblings.

That to me is creepy, but also the style of Lee's writing.

Caylee was born 2005....Lee's child was to be born in 2006???

Seems strange to me, to say the least.

2w4u

You couldn't make this stuff up. No one would believe you.

Katprint

09-14-2009, 11:34 PM

Katprint if your still here I have a question I've been wanting to ask. I know that the State can't mention the LDT as far as Casey goes but can they bring up the fact the rest of the family refused to take one during the trial while they're on the stand. I would love to hear the State ask Cindy "Isn't it true you George and Lee refused to take a LDT? Why wouldn't you want to do absolutely everything you could to help find Caylee?"
No, generally they cannot refer directly or indirectly to anything that is not admissible. Polygraphs are not admissible nor is voice stress analysis (I can't recall the precise scientific term - I hope you understand what I am referring to.) Thus they cannot be referred to directly or indirectly. Currently, they are pretty much on par with an experienced investigator's "hunches" or "gut feelings" which may be helpful investigatory aids but are not separately admissible as evidence.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 11:47 PM

Does any one know how long these two were married?

Was Casey bedding the marine while he was married?

Was Lee bedding the wife during marriage?

Were Lee and Casey aware that this was going on????

2w4u

according to his blog, Tara separated from Mark...got pregnant with Lee's child, went back to her husband Mark, told him the child was his, then ultimately got a divorce from Mark and then an abortion (without telling Lee), and then went on to marry someone else altogether....

dont know about Casey and Mark.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

kakax

09-14-2009, 11:51 PM

kakax

09-14-2009, 11:53 PM

according to his blog, Tara separated from Mark...got pregnant with Lee's child, went back to her husband Mark, told him the child was his, then ultimately got a divorce from Mark and then an abortion (without telling Lee), and then went on to marry someone else altogether....

dont know about Casey and Mark.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

As the Anthony Word Turns....

Imperfect4

09-14-2009, 11:54 PM

Pruddennce

09-14-2009, 11:56 PM

As the Anthony Word Turns....

during the jailhouse visit with parents, Casey called Tara: 'Mark's ex-wife, Psycho Tara'...however, Psycho Tara seemed to have been in occasional contact with Casey, as Casey clearly explains her last contact, and blah blah...and NO Caylee never spoke on the phone...

what in the world is THAT relationship all about? Casey and Tara?

psycho and psycho?....Casey kept in touch...as the PSYCHO world turns....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Pruddennce

09-15-2009, 12:00 AM

If this has been posted, I apologize:

http://www.wftv.com/video/20911069/index.html

It's our girl Kathi Belich with a short report on the latest & greatest. Listen carefully to what she says at about 1:58 on the clock.

Hysterical!! :lol: :lol:

thats great. :D

'that PROVES her innocence', as they cuff her up and she goes back to her cell.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

kakax

09-15-2009, 12:01 AM

during the jailhouse visit with parents, Casey called Tara: 'Mark's ex-wife, Psycho Tara'...however, Psycho Tara seemed to have been in occasional contact with Casey, as Casey clearly explains her last contact, and blah blah...and NO Caylee never spoke on the phone...

what in the world is THAT relationship all about? Casey and Tara?

psycho and psycho?....Casey kept in touch...as the PSYCHO world turns....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Oh yea...I forgot about that little exchange. Wonder what that was all about? Maybe in Casey's mind if they found Tara, they would find Mark and interview him.