Why the Public Option Is Not "Fading" -- Just the Contrary

[Susan43]

Why the Public Option Is Not "Fading" -- Just the Contrary

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/why-the-public-option-is_b_284982.html

I'm not familiar with Mr. Creamer so don't know his track record on predictions, but I sure hope he's right.

[theal3]

I tend to agree with his take on this, cause every GOPer I hear agrees something has to be done as the premiums are hurting voters, and the cost will even go higher, and the pre-existing condtion is immmoral and the say "yes" to reform. Look they had 12years under Reagan/Bush and another 8 under Bush W. and kicked the can down the road, and know the time is now to control costs. The committees will meet and work it out, it won't be the whole enchilada, but a start, I think.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Why the Public Option Is Not "Fading" -- Just the Contrary

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/why-the-public-option-is_b_284982.html

I'm not familiar with Mr. Creamer so don't know his track record on predictions, but I sure hope he's right.

I do not think he is right, a little backround though: He is a convicted felon and a tax cheat:

Congresswoman's husband pleads guilty to two felonies

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm

Personal Asides: Ever Wonder What Bob Creamer is Doing Since Jail? Training Young People to Campaign for Obama…Pulido, Martire and Franks on “Shootout” Sunday

http://www.tomroeser.com/blogview.asp?blogID=24055

Convicted Felon Attacks Opponents of Obamacare

Not surprisingly, there is no mention of Creamer's federal fraud convictions in his bio at Huffington Post. It is noted there, however, that "Arianna Huffington calls his recent book, Stand Up Straight: How Progressives Can Win, a master’s class in electoral politics." Arianna makes no mention of the use of lies, deception and criminal fraud as tactics in Creamer's electoral politics.

http://rogersparkbench.blogspot.com/2009/08/convicted-felon-attacks-opponents-of.html

[theal3]

Controversy regarding Illinois Public Action Fund and Other Controversies
On March 11, 2004, Schakowsky's husband, lobbyist Robert Creamer, the executive director of the Illinois Public Action Fund, was indicted in federal court on 16 counts of bank fraud involving three alleged check-kiting schemes in the mid-1990s, leading several banks to experience shortfalls of at least $2.3 million.[10] "He is innocent," Schakowsky said in a statement.[11] In August 2005, Creamer pleaded guilty to one count of failure to collect withholding tax, and bank fraud for writing checks with insufficient funds. All of the money was repaid. According to USA Today, "Schakowsky has not been accused of any wrongdoing."[12] Schakowsky served on the organization's board during the time the crimes occurred,[13] and Schakowsky signed the IRS filings along with her husband.[11] U.S. District Judge James B. Moran noted no one suffered "out of pocket losses," and Creamer acted not out of greed but in an effort to keep his community action group going without cutting programs, though Creamer paid his own $100,000 salary with fraudulently obtained funds.[14] On April 5, 2006, Creamer was sentenced to five months in prison and 11 months of house arrest.[15] Creamer served his five-month incarceration at the Federal Correction Institute in Terre Haute, Indiana and was released on November 3, 2006.[16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Schakowsky

Sounds minor to me: and paid up and served his 5-months.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Controversy regarding Illinois Public Action Fund and Other Controversies
On March 11, 2004, Schakowsky's husband, lobbyist Robert Creamer, the executive director of the Illinois Public Action Fund, was indicted in federal court on 16 counts of bank fraud involving three alleged check-kiting schemes in the mid-1990s, leading several banks to experience shortfalls of at least $2.3 million.[10] "He is innocent," Schakowsky said in a statement.[11] In August 2005, Creamer pleaded guilty to one count of failure to collect withholding tax, and bank fraud for writing checks with insufficient funds. All of the money was repaid. According to USA Today, "Schakowsky has not been accused of any wrongdoing."[12] Schakowsky served on the organization's board during the time the crimes occurred,[13] and Schakowsky signed the IRS filings along with her husband.[11] U.S. District Judge James B. Moran noted no one suffered "out of pocket losses," and Creamer acted not out of greed but in an effort to keep his community action group going without cutting programs, though Creamer paid his own $100,000 salary with fraudulently obtained funds.[14] On April 5, 2006, Creamer was sentenced to five months in prison and 11 months of house arrest.[15] Creamer served his five-month incarceration at the Federal Correction Institute in Terre Haute, Indiana and was released on November 3, 2006.[16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Schakowsky

Sounds minor to me: and paid up and served his 5-months.

Minor?

Two felonies and stealing over 2 million? Minor?

Creamer, 58, a prominent Chicago political consultant, was accused of swindling nine financial institutions of at least $2.3 million while he ran a public interest group in the 1990s. ...In exchange for his plea, prosecutors dropped several other counts.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm


Not even close to minor IMO.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Doncha know that since he backs BO, it IS minor. :wink:

I am totally shocked! I just can't believe this defend the party or its supporters at all costs.

Stealing "at least" 2.3 million is minor, convicted of two felonies is minor. Gahhhhhhhhhh Have I gone back in time? Did I get hit over the head-- I know, I know I am DREAMING!!! Let me go back to bed and wake up. :biggrin:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Why I believe it may be a "Change you can believe in" kinda thing.

CHANGE: knock 2 felony convictions down to misdemeanors, he only stole 2.3 million from 9 banks—oh heck, just throw out all the charges! This is nothing! What’s 2.3 million and tax fraud?

[desmom]

Doncha know that since he backs BO, it IS minor. :wink:

IMO, it was his connections to Governor Rod Blagojevich and Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

:wink:

[Susan43]

CHANGE: knock 2 felony convictions down to misdemeanors, he only stole 2.3 million from 9 banks—oh heck, just throw out all the charges! This is nothing! What’s 2.3 million and tax fraud?

That was just an allegation. Please quit saying it is true. It's easy to make allegations, but that doesn't make them true.

And I realize you would rather not discuss the real issue, the public option in the healthcare bill.

And to be honest I didn't post this for people against healthcare reform but for people that are interested in the public option because I think his thoughts on the matter have some validity.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

That was just an allegation. Please quit saying it is true. It's easy to make allegations, but that doesn't make them true.

And I realize you would rather not discuss the real issue, the public option in the healthcare bill.

And to be honest I didn't post this for people against healthcare reform but for people that are interested in the public option because I think his thoughts on the matter have some validity.


Allegations??? Please! He pled GUILTY 2 TWO felonies!

Congresswoman's husband pleads guilty to two felonies

The husband of an Illinois congresswoman pleaded guilty Wednesday to tax violations and bank fraud for writing rubber checks and failing to collect withholding tax from an employee.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm

And you said

I'm not familiar with Mr. Creamer so don't know his track record on predictions, but I sure hope he's right.

I gave you background on a man you said you had no clue about. I also said I did not think his predictions ran true. I try not to listen to convicted felons who stole from 9 separate banks.

This undying support of party members and those who support them AKA defend the party at all costs-- is getting totally ridiculous IMO.

[Dustee]

Allegations??? Please! He pled GUILTY 2 TWO felonies!

Congresswoman's husband pleads guilty to two felonies



http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm

And you said



I gave you background on a man you said you had no clue about. I also said I did not think his predictions ran true. I try not to listen to convicted felons who stole from 9 separate banks.

This undying support of party members and those who support them AKA defend the party at all costs-- is getting totally ridiculous IMO.

To be fair, Susan said she had no idea about his track record on predictions.

Looks like his prediction that he wouldn't get caught was a bust. :wink:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

To be fair, Susan said she had no idea about his track record on predictions.

Looks like his prediction that he wouldn't get caught was a bust. :wink:

LOL Quite!

[theal3]

What he was charged with and what he pled guilty to are different things: he didn't steal anything, he didn't deduct withholding funds. As my post showed: no one lost money, and he replaced the funds with his own money: and yes served 5 months. So sounds minor to me. He harmed no one.

[Susan43]

What he was charged with and what he pled guilty to are different things: he didn't steal anything, he didn't deduct withholding funds. As my post showed: no one lost money, and he replaced the funds with his own money: and yes served 5 months. So sounds minor to me. He harmed no one.

Oh come on Theal, they don't care as long as they can discredit him. Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with his ideas on the public option...so it's just better to ignore it. After all, it's not as if the right is so perfect.

What did you think about what he had to say?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

What he was charged with and what he pled guilty to are different things: he didn't steal anything, he didn't deduct withholding funds. As my post showed: no one lost money, and he replaced the funds with his own money: and yes served 5 months. So sounds minor to me. He harmed no one.

Check kiting is theft no matter how you wish to spin it, why do you think it is illegal? Or is it only illegal for some?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_kiting

He did not pay more than 300,000 in taxes.

http://www.ipsn.org/indictments/congresswoman_%20schakowskys_husband_indicted.htm

[Barbara2]

Oh come on Theal, they don't care as long as they can discredit him. Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with his ideas on the public option...so it's just better to ignore it. After all, it's not as if the right is so perfect.

What did you think about what he had to say?

It does go to his opinion as he has an agenda. If he had anything of substance to back up his opinion it would be a different story. IMO

[Susan43]

It does go to his opinion as he has an agenda. If he had anything of substance to back up his opinion it would be a different story. IMO

Barbara, it's an opinion piece. You know like the Sunday columns. He gave his reasons why he's formed his opinion but did also add these facts.

4). Giving Americans a choice of a public health insurance option remains incredibly popular. A poll conducted for Americans United for Change by the respected firm of Anzelone and Liszt -- completed last Friday -- shows that, by a 62% to 28% margin, likely 2010 voters would be more inclined to support President Obama's healthcare reform plan if it included a public option that gave people a choice between private insurance plans and a public health insurance plan.
ibid.

And of course he has an agenda, don't they all?