9/13

[Ven]

This report says a human being let off a device that caused steam to set off the fire alarm:

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/it_doesnt_sound.php

I wonder if LE knows who did this? It could be they do not know, in which case it is very suspicious...or they do know. That person would be a person to investigate further. Did maybe more than one man do this? Could they have worked as a 2-man team, and one caused the alarm to go off and had an alibi while the other man disposed of the body?

Seems unlikely, but you never know. The 2nd guy would not have to work at the lab either, he could have been invited in by the one who worked there.

I doubt this is the case, most likely it was 1 sicko, but good to look at all possibilities I think.

[Ven]

I suspect that someone closely involved with the University is suspected to be involved in this crime and the powers that be at Yale (and Yales' alumni) have put the quietus to what the cops can say.

Campus police are worthless at all colleges IMO. Their only job is to make the university money via tickets. During the day they are everywhere so if you park where you shouldn't for even 2 minutes you are sure to get a ticket. At night when they can't write tickets you will hardly ever see one.

Car break-ins, muggings, they don't care because they don't make the university money.

I had my car broken into as an undergrad along with 10 other cars in a large overnight lot. The police did nothing. I did not realize my car was broken into, I thought it was vandalized so when I saw the smashed window I got into the car to investigate. Then I saw my cd player stolen and panelling all ripped up and I called the police. They refused to do anything because I touched the vehicle first.

The perp's were in a hurry, my car must have been the last to get hit before they fled because they didn't have time to take the cd player out properly, basically cut the whole front panel apart very quickly, and the guy left one of his gloves in my car. That glove was big time evidence, police told me flat out they weren't interested.

[Irish Eyes]

i've been watching this story from the beginning and still hope for a positive outcome, but losing in faith in it. I have a very hard time fully believing in anything coming out of Yale university. It seems that the University wants to protect their own interests and try to figure out how to handle the situation to protect the integrity of the prestige university. I have a bad feeling about this, I really think we will truly never now what happened to Annie Le.

My faith in a positive outcome is dwindling as well. That bizarre news conference was very unsettling. It sounded like an awards ceremony praising all those involved in a successful search without providing one fact as to where the case stands. Self preservation seems to be at the top of their list.

[n/t]

It sounds like the focus remains in the basement. Doctor J....I think your theory about the incinerator might be possible.

From the article:

During the evening, as many as six uniformed Yale and New Haven police officers stood guard outside the building's main entrance and the ramp to its parking garage. They carefully checked IDs of people who tried to get in, and turned away several. One woman arrived with a Yale ID card and told them she'd been called in to work that evening, but they sent her away, saying the basement — where she was assigned to work — was closed off.
http://www.courant.com/community/new-haven/hc-yale-missing-student-0913.artsep13,0,170336.story

[RainyNiteNTx]

A very sad article. God give this family strength today and the days to come. :rose:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/13/2009-09-13_details_of_the_canceled_wedding_of_.html


:crying:

THIS is absolutely heartbreaking :sad:

[CC I See]

THIS is absolutely heartbreaking :sad:

Good morning Rainy and those following this case:

I was reading back and don't see anyone addressing the fact that when she left to go to the lab, she left her cell phone behind. Evidently she was concerned about safety because of the report she wrote and she would know the importance of keeping it with her especially if she was walking down a very public street where crime might occur.

IF the clothes found were Annie's and IF they have her blood on them, maybe they were left behind because they would stain or soak through the container her body was placed in.... like someone suggested earlier a duffel like bag or suitcase that would leak blood. Also, someone might smell the odor of the clothing but not the nude body.

Someone said earlier, this is most puzzling.

[CC I See]

If she was abducted.... I am wondering if it had anything to do with what she was working on. Could animal research have anything to do with it? I know that other labs across the country have had vandalism, lab animals set loose and data destroyed because of it.

But usually, they leave a note behind to make sure that LE knows why the vandalism was done. Not so in this case... at least it hasn't come out yet.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Good morning Rainy and those following this case:

I was reading back and don't see anyone addressing the fact that when she left to go to the lab, she left her cell phone behind. Evidently she was concerned about safety because of the report she wrote and she would know the importance of keeping it with her especially if she was walking down a very public street where crime might occur.

IF the clothes found were Annie's and IF they have her blood on them, maybe they were left behind because they would stain or soak through the container her body was placed in.... like someone suggested earlier a duffel like bag or suitcase that would leak blood. Also, someone might smell the odor of the clothing but not the nude body.

Someone said earlier, this is most puzzling.

Morning CC - good to see you. I wonder if cell phones are prohibited in certain areas of the building she was going to.

[CC I See]

Morning CC - good to see you. I wonder if cell phones are prohibited in certain areas of the building she was going to.

She could have carried it with her and then shut it off if it was not allowed to be on in certain acreas.

[CC I See]

campus police saved Jaycee Dugard and her children, while the "real" cops and parole officers didn't

.... good point and they were female as well.:biggrin:

[RainyNiteNTx]

She could have carried it with her and then shut it off if it was not allowed to be on in certain acreas.


This is true. We could surmise that someone called her and told her it was an emergency so she left in a hurry, but she had a casual look on her face while standing at that door.

[CC I See]

This is true. We could surmise that someone called her and told her it was an emergency so she left in a hurry, but she had a casual look on her face while standing at that door.

If only we knew what she was carrying and where she was taking it. I find that significant because whatever happened occurred after that.

[Scampi]

campus police saved Jaycee Dugard and her children, while the "real" cops and parole officers didn't

Morning everyone.

Dora, excellent point!

I heard a report today on FOX that the bloody clothing was found in a ceiling tile in Annie's lab. I am very leary of these reports now, since yesterday's fiasco about them finding a body.

What has everyone heard so far today?

Oh, and Clint Van Sant just expressed the view that they absolutely did not find a body but are lying about it. Never happened.

[hiitsme]

Morning everyone.

Dora, excellent point!

I heard a report today on FOX that the bloody clothing was found in a ceiling tile in Annie's lab. I am very leary of these reports now, since yesterday's fiasco about them finding a body.

What has everyone heard so far today?

Oh, and Clint Van Sant just expressed the view that they absolutely did not find a body but are lying about it. Never happened.

I think you pretty much summed up the latest on this. It's just weird that with all of the surveillance cameras in and around that building, they are not able to determine if, in fact, she left yet they clearly and quickly found her entering.

[RayStar]

I heard him say that also Scampi. Now I wonder where in the building exactly did the alarm trigger. If bloody clothing was found, would there not be blood evidence in the lab?

DoraDoll they were "female" campus police.:thumbsup:

[Mr FATE]

Morning everyone.

Dora, excellent point!

I heard a report today on FOX that the bloody clothing was found in a ceiling tile in Annie's lab. I am very leary of these reports now, since yesterday's fiasco about them finding a body.

What has everyone heard so far today?

Oh, and Clint Van Sant just expressed the view that they absolutely did not find a body but are lying about it. Never happened.

Scampi - I didn't see Clint and I'm confused - who lied? The police or the networks - i.e. Fox and NYDaily? TIA...

[n/t]

Morning everyone.

Dora, excellent point!

I heard a report today on FOX that the bloody clothing was found in a ceiling tile in Annie's lab. I am very leary of these reports now, since yesterday's fiasco about them finding a body.

What has everyone heard so far today?

Oh, and Clint Van Sant just expressed the view that they absolutely did not find a body but are lying about it. Never happened.

Good Morning Scampi

Articles online have both. Some say bloody clothes were found and others say items that could be evidence.

Can you clarify your last paragraph? Who's lying about it? FoxNews? TIA

[RayStar]

Just watching that clip of the Mertz lady stating they have not found a body is not the same as the remains of a possible body.

I'm just lost.

[RayStar]

Jumping in here. I heard Cliff say that LE would not lie if they had found a body. I think that is what I heard. I believe he was asked if they would lie about finding a body in response to the confusing report we heard yesterday.

[Babes]

good morning scampi and the rest....

[Babes]

It sounds like the focus remains in the basement. Doctor J....I think your theory about the incinerator might be possible.

From the article:

During the evening, as many as six uniformed Yale and New Haven police officers stood guard outside the building's main entrance and the ramp to its parking garage. They carefully checked IDs of people who tried to get in, and turned away several. One woman arrived with a Yale ID card and told them she'd been called in to work that evening, but they sent her away, saying the basement — where she was assigned to work — was closed off.
http://www.courant.com/community/new-haven/hc-yale-missing-student-0913.artsep13,0,170336.story


Thanks N/T

Very interesting....

[Scampi]

Scampi - I didn't see Clint and I'm confused - who lied? The police or the networks - i.e. Fox and NYDaily? TIA...

Fate, I know. I just reread the gibberish I posted and even I don't understand what the heck I wrote. :punch: to me for posting on only a half cup of coffee.

Clint said he doubted that the FBI were lying yesterday when they said there was no body found.

About the clothing found, surely they know if it's Annie's clothing/labcoat by the very small size?

Oh, and I have been told by someone who has done this type of work, that it is extremely time consuming to go thru video tape, frame by frame like they are doing in this case.

[quietgirl197]

I'm a newbie so feel free to put me in my place; however, I have been reading the posts and the news reporting over the last several days and I most puzzled over one thing. The FBI stated that the have "catagorically" not found a body. Could this mean they have not found a "body" but possibly suspicious bone fragments?

[n/t]

I just had a thought and I know it's off the wall but hey...I'm thinking outside the box.....

Considering the basement is closed off, could it be possible someone is holding her hostage but they won't release that to the media for fear the perp may harm her? They have things under control ?

I just can't get over that bizarre PC yesterday where they all seemed so upbeat.

[NoelsMommy]

Good Morning Scampi

Articles online have both. Some say bloody clothes were found and others say items that could be evidence.

Can you clarify your last paragraph? Who's lying about it? FoxNews? TIA

NY Daily News clearly stated that it was Annie Le's bloody clothing...:confused:

2nd paragraph of the article reads:

"Cops discovered bride-to-be Annie Le's blood-stained clothes stuffed in the ceiling of the building at 10 Amistad St. in New Haven, the source said."

And here's the link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/12/2009-09-12_cops_seeking_clues_in_missing_yale_student_anni e_les_disappearance_say_case_wide.html

[n/t]

NY Daily News clearly stated that it was Annie Le's bloody clothing...:confused:

2nd paragraph of the article reads:

"Cops discovered bride-to-be Annie Le's blood-stained clothes stuffed in the ceiling of the building at 10 Amistad St. in New Haven, the source said."

And here's the link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/12/2009-09-12_cops_seeking_clues_in_missing_yale_student_anni e_les_disappearance_say_case_wide.html

Yes but the FBI won't confirm it. They only said they have items that could possible be evidence. Media is all over the place on this. We don't know what to believe or at least I don't.

Also very bizarre, that article I posted earlier said that outside the Long Island home of missing Yale graduate student Annie Le's fiance, wedding gifts wait at the doorstep. And nearby, a local florist waits with a bridal bouquet prepared Saturday for Le's wedding, originally scheduled for today.

Who would still be sending wedding gifts?? And the florsit went ahead and made the bridal bouquet on Saturday knowing the wedding was cancelled? :confused:

[SavannahStar]

Jumping in here. I heard Cliff say that LE would not lie if they had found a body. I think that is what I heard. I believe he was asked if they would lie about finding a body in response to the confusing report we heard yesterday.

That's what I've been saying too. Don't get me wrong, I thought the PC was extremely weird. But I do NOT think they would lie if a body had been found.

[Scampi]

Welcome QuietGirl!!

That's sad about the flowers being delivered, I guess in this nightmare, the florist wasn't notified......:sad:

Yep, we don't know what the heck to believe, it was the dailynews who was the first to state a body was found, I am very leery of them.

Mertz said yesterday that the evidence MAY POTENTIALLY be linked to Annie.

I agree, the PC yesterday was all wrong. Especially when the Yale person spoke first, I think the FBI should have spoken first.

[Mr FATE]

Yes but the FBI won't confirm it. They only said they have items that could possible be evidence. Media is all over the place on this. We don't know what to believe or at least I don't.

Also very bizarre, that article I posted earlier said that outside the Long Island home of missing Yale graduate student Annie Le's fiance, wedding gifts wait at the doorstep. And nearby, a local florist waits with a bridal bouquet prepared Saturday for Le's wedding, originally scheduled for today.

Who would still be sending wedding gifts?? And the florsit went ahead and made the bridal bouquet on Saturday knowing the wedding was cancelled? :confused:

n/t - I think it was on Friday, but don't quote me... seems someone (family member - close friend) said the wedding was off. like, that's it, done, over, period end of discussion. wth?

seems to me they didn't know what happened to Anne and bang the wedding was off. seemed kinda cold-hearted to me.

[SavannahStar]

n/t - I think it was on Friday, but don't quote me... seems someone (family member - close friend) said the wedding was off. like, that's it, done, over, period end of discussion. wth?

seems to me they didn't know what happened to Anne and bang the wedding was off. seemed kinda cold-hearted to me.


IIRC, it was not a close friend or family member. It was a person at the place the wedding was to be held. Non-related at all. It certainly was a poor choice of words.

[RayStar]

That's what I've been saying too. Don't get me wrong, I thought the PC was extremely weird. But I do NOT think they would lie if a body had been found.
I agree. I want to wash that PC out of my mind. They have that basement closed off for a reason.

[SavannahStar]

Welcome QuietGirl!!

That's sad about the flowers being delivered, I guess in this nightmare, the florist wasn't notified......:sad:

Yep, we don't know what the heck to believe, it was the dailynews who was the first to state a body was found, I am very leery of them.

Mertz said yesterday that the evidence MAY POTENTIALLY be linked to Annie.

I agree, the PC yesterday was all wrong. Especially when the Yale person spoke first, I think the FBI should have spoken first.

Personally I don't think the Yale people should have been there at all..or if so, VERY low key. :angry:

[hiitsme]

Yes but the FBI won't confirm it. They only said they have items that could possible be evidence. Media is all over the place on this. We don't know what to believe or at least I don't.

Also very bizarre, that article I posted earlier said that outside the Long Island home of missing Yale graduate student Annie Le's fiance, wedding gifts wait at the doorstep. And nearby, a local florist waits with a bridal bouquet prepared Saturday for Le's wedding, originally scheduled for today.

Who would still be sending wedding gifts?? And the florsit went ahead and made the bridal bouquet on Saturday knowing the wedding was cancelled? :confused:

OMG, it gets stranger by the minute. Didn't the family call it off several days ago? LE, for whatever reason, appear to be holding back information. This adorable girl was a peanut and they knew what she was wearing. I would think that just a visual exam of the clothing would identify to whom it belonged. There must be total unrest on that campus.

[Mr FATE]

IIRC, it was not a close friend or family member. It was a person at the place the wedding was to be held. Non-related at all. It certainly was a poor choice of words.

thanks Savannah

[SavannahStar]

OMG, it gets stranger by the minute. Didn't the family call it off several days ago? LE, for whatever reason, appear to be holding back information. This adorable girl was a peanut and they knew what she was wearing. I would think that just a visual exam of the clothing would identify to whom it belonged. There must be total unrest on that campus.

The family did not call the wedding off. See above. There also is a link somewhere to the statement.

BBL.

[Mr FATE]

I agree. I want to wash that PC out of my mind. They have that basement closed off for a reason.

I called Matthews International's International director a few years ago regarding another case where an incinerator was possibly used. This type of theory is not new..

He basically told me that all the space needed for one of these units was about a single car garage.

They weight about 6000 pounds and are usually placed in a basement. They are assembled on site. They are made from steel and stainless steel and now I understand that there is a unit that can COMPLETELY incinerate a body in less than an hour. Previously it took 3-4 hours and new technology allows it to happen much faster.

As doctor_J said, we don't know if they have a animal incinerator in that building or that animals are even used in the labs.

[Ven]

I just read a report that LE is searching a landfill in Hartford this morning in connection with this case. You think they would have done this much earlier in the week. Every day that goes by in a landfill would make their job more difficult and eventually impossible.

Update: the report says LE received information that Annie might be buried there.

http://www.rep-am.com/news/doc4aace56922028508391620.txt

[RainyNiteNTx]

The family did not call the wedding off. See above. There also is a link somewhere to the statement.

BBL.

Yes, the family called the wedding off. (who else would have the authority or right to call off a wedding?)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/11/2009-09-11_family_cancels_planned_wedding_ceremony_of_miss ing_yale_bridetobe_annie_le.html

"A family member called and canceled it."

[Destini]

I think that PC yesterday backfired on them. It seemed to me, with all the smiles & the back slapping, it was strictly to reassure students & their families they were on top of things. Notice nothing was mentioned even about the evidence found until reporters questioned them. The FBI lady (Mertz?) seemed almost shocked when the reporter asked about the report of a body being found. Did she not know about this report from NYTimes that was out there?

They didn't intend to reveal anything but were called out by the reporters. I don't trust them now. If I had a child going there, I really wouldn't trust them. They have a duty to the public & the students to warn them if there is a possibility of a killer being among them.

If they took cadaver dogs through there & nothing was found & they wanted to reassure everyone, why wasn't this mentioned in the PC? And after 4 days why WOULDN'T they have cadaver dogs in that building?

[VC2]

Just to be clear, I don't know if this building even has an incinerator or does live animal or cadaver work. Just one more idea as to why they can't find a body in a building. More likely that there are ways out of the building that are not monitored by cameras.

I can't figure out the clothes, unless they have nothing to do with Le. But then why were they hidden? Maybe the synthetic fabric theory has merit? Not enough info.

I think this is going to be a lot simpler than we are making it. It is possible she is stashed somewhere in the building, but i am leaning to a different scenario

She was raped and murdered in the building, perp got blood on him and just stashed them in the ceiling as he put her in a duffle bag or a box. if it was a box i could see them being her clothes too..blood seeping.

May not even have removed her that hour, she wasn't reported for hours and he had time to go and change and return. He even may have continued working if others arrived and therefore just forgot the clothes in the ceiling. When he left, be it right away or a few hours later, he took her with him and through her in the trash somewhere.

She was small enough he could have carried her out easily and also stash her easily until he felt it safe to remove her. So long as it was done before searches started...

thats why im not convinced she is in the building still. Could be but wouldn't you get her out asap if you killed her?

oh and there are a lot of gym bags that would fit a 90 lb body, in fact its more likely than a duffel bag

[Destini]

I just read a report that LE is searching a landfill in Hartford this morning in connection with this case. You think they would have done this much earlier in the week. Every day that goes by in a landfill would make their job more difficult and eventually impossible.

Update: the report says LE received information that Annie might be buried there.

http://www.rep-am.com/news/doc4aace56922028508391620.txt

Dogs must have hit on the dumpsters. Ugh.

[Ven]

This is heartbreaking. Let's just hope now that they have the evidence to find the ******* they are looking for.

[Mr FATE]

if and that's a big if... someone has killed Anne Le in the building and has escaped detection for 5-6 days now - I would be very worried if I were a parent of a child on that campus.

You basically have a maniac on the loose and a PC where the authorities and police are smiling and back slapping. Not very re-assuring and not what I would expect from those in charge of a missing person case.

Someone would have access to almost all of the on campus buildings - after-all, he somehow got into this building.

One thing I have learned over the years - Ivy league does not translate into common sense.

[grammie/va]

My faith in a positive outcome is dwindling as well. That bizarre news conference was very unsettling. It sounded like an awards ceremony praising all those involved in a successful search without providing one fact as to where the case stands. Self preservation seems to be at the top of their list.

I agree!! That had to have been the most unsettling news conference ever done that I have seen. The ones involved were the most upbeat peope ever.

[Ven]

To be fair, there was a false report that her body was found. Out of concern for her family they may have been trying to use the press conference to emphatically deny the report. A simple denial wouldn't have quelled the media reports perhaps. Then they probably group thinked that it would be a good idea to use the PC as a platform for face time.

[Scampi]

I just read a report that LE is searching a landfill in Hartford this morning in connection with this case. You think they would have done this much earlier in the week. Every day that goes by in a landfill would make their job more difficult and eventually impossible.

Update: the report says LE received information that Annie might be buried there.

http://www.rep-am.com/news/doc4aace56922028508391620.txt

It will be difficult work, searching the landfill that's for sure, but landfills keep very accurate records of where each days
dumping is located, so the FBI will have an exact area to search.

I know this from being involved in sleuthing other awful cases.

I hope they find her if she's there.

[Destini]

if and that's a big if... someone has killed Anne Le in the building and has escaped detection for 5-6 days now - I would be very worried if I were a parent of a child on that campus.

You basically have a maniac on the loose and a PC where the authorities and police are smiling and back slapping. Not very re-assuring and not what I would expect from those in charge of a missing person case.

Someone would have access to almost all of the on campus buildings - after-all, he somehow got into this building.

One thing I have learned over the years - Ivy league does not translate into common sense.

ITA, Mr FATE ... they need expedite the processing of the possible evidence. If this is related to Annie, the students & their families need to know this pronto. What if another student comes up missing? They only think they have problems now if that happens. If my child went there, I would be lighting up the phones at LE!

And you're right, some of the folks with the highest IQs don't have a lick of common sense IMO.

[Lianasmom]

To be fair, there was a false report that her body was found. Out of concern for her family they may have been trying to use the press conference to emphatically deny the report. A simple denial wouldn't have quelled the media reports perhaps. Then they probably group thinked that it would be a good idea to use the PC as a platform for face time.

That's why I think they held the pc with the FBI special agent(?) acting shocked that there were reports that a body was found, as if she didn't know. The whole thing reminded me of the Jonbenet/Karr PC where they were doing the same thing, thanking each other, congratulating, then no info, a waste of everybody's time.

[dreamtime]

IMO:
Annie Le was murdered.
Her bloody clothing hidden.
Her body is ...... still in the building....
or dissolved .... or incinerated.... or out in the landfill.

His fiance helps the police look for her.
Her family helps with the search as well, her mom posts fliers.

Wedding is postponed or cancelled.
Well, even if she was found alive and well, I doubt anyone would be getting married in Long Island that weekend.
It would be a courtesy to the owners of the site, the caterers, the florists, the guests to cancel.

Professor questioned:
Maybe. He is the one in charge of the lab she works in with others.
He did cancel that class 'before' she was known to be missing.
Coincidence?

Press conference:
These are professional people. You would think.
Even a brief, ..we don't know, thank you,,,, would have been so much better than the
smiling at odd times, exchanging glances, emphasizing, we have not found a BODY, give the family privacy, as in they have rec'd bad news..but we have not found Annie Le... smile..nod.. stern voice.....
It gets my vote for the weirdest LE press conference ever.

I can hope and pray that Annie Le is found soon, to bring some measure of relief to her fiance, parents, family and friends.

[aproudmom]

Campus police are worthless at all colleges IMO. Their only job is to make the university money via tickets. During the day they are everywhere so if you park where you shouldn't for even 2 minutes you are sure to get a ticket. At night when they can't write tickets you will hardly ever see one.

Car break-ins, muggings, they don't care because they don't make the university money.

I had my car broken into as an undergrad along with 10 other cars in a large overnight lot. The police did nothing. I did not realize my car was broken into, I thought it was vandalized so when I saw the smashed window I got into the car to investigate. Then I saw my cd player stolen and panelling all ripped up and I called the police. They refused to do anything because I touched the vehicle first.

The perp's were in a hurry, my car must have been the last to get hit before they fled because they didn't have time to take the cd player out properly, basically cut the whole front panel apart very quickly, and the guy left one of his gloves in my car. That glove was big time evidence, police told me flat out they weren't interested.

That is how it is here but the campus police say they are there to write tickets and the local LE is there for everything else guess that is why 1 is dead and 3 hit just this week as they crossed the road by the campus and the drivers just got a ticket 1 no license and the kids were jay-walking well maybe if they made some of these campuses safer more crosswalks, lights, I can go on and on I do know I hate it when school starts it is dangerous to drive walk or ride a bike..

[Ice Cycle]

Well this might be just hopeful thinking on my part but I still think their is a possibility that she is alive and being held somewhere. I would still like to know if the door security was deactivated when the fire alarm went off.

[aproudmom]

That's why I think they held the pc with the FBI special agent(?) acting shocked that there were reports that a body was found, as if she didn't know. The whole thing reminded me of the Jonbenet/Karr PC where they were doing the same thing, thanking each other, congratulating, then no info, a waste of everybody's time.

omg I thought I was the only one it was the same way I was feeling..I was like it this a meet and great or a PC for a missing women..it was a total joke IMO they could have sent one person out to do what they did...JMO

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I called Matthews International's International director a few years ago regarding another case where an incinerator was possibly used. This type of theory is not new..

He basically told me that all the space needed for one of these units was about a single car garage.

They weight about 6000 pounds and are usually placed in a basement. They are assembled on site. They are made from steel and stainless steel and now I understand that there is a unit that can COMPLETELY incinerate a body in less than an hour. Previously it took 3-4 hours and new technology allows it to happen much faster.

As doctor_J said, we don't know if they have a animal incinerator in that building or that animals are even used in the labs.


Just because they have animals in the bldg doesn't mean they have an incinerator too. Why burn a body and put the clothes in the ceiling? For all we know, they could have cryonic freezers the size of a garage. Ugh!

I am sorry if this has been discussed but is there a link to the article Le wrote for the student paper regarding crime? TIA

[Ven]

Well this might be just hopeful thinking on my part but I still think their is a possibility that she is alive and being held somewhere. I would still like to know if the door security was deactivated when the fire alarm went off.

That's a good point. Maybe there are fire doors that don't have cameras on them because they aren't accessible from the outside. Bad guy sets off the fire alarm elsewhere, so exiting a door like that would not be an issue for him.

I would absolutely focus on the fire alarm. LE either doesn't know who caused the alarm to go off, in which case the perp likely did it...or they do know who did it. If that's the case, and the person is male, they would be #1 on my list no questions about it.

Did they have an accomplice? Did they murder her earlier, return to work, and then cause the alarm to go off? Lots of questions but as I said the odds of the alarm not being connected to her disappearance are near zero.

[smileyjoe]

Just because they have animals in the bldg doesn't mean they have an incinerator too. Why burn a body and put the clothes in the ceiling? For all we know, they could have cryonic freezers the size of a garage. Ugh!

I am sorry if this has been discussed but is there a link to the article Le wrote for the student paper regarding crime? TIA

YES! Thats my question. Why get rid of the body (apparently really well) and hide the bloody clothes?

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Well this might be just hopeful thinking on my part but I still think their is a possibility that she is alive and being held somewhere. I would still like to know if the door security was deactivated when the fire alarm went off.


Ice Cycle. Card readers are widely used as an entry precaution. One swipes the card to get in. I didn't read that one had to swipe the card to get out. IMO, that would only be used in a very high security setting. Maybe this building was and I missed it.

I can imagine how easy it is to gain unauthorized access to a campus bldg, especially during the day. The door is slow to shut and someone catches it before it closes. Or being polite, one student holds the door open for another, esp if hands looked full.

I have read that LE would have a hard time detecting Le in the mass exit when alarm went off. But public places like that must have panic bars that will open immediately when pushed.

[Mr FATE]

Just because they have animals in the bldg doesn't mean they have an incinerator too. Why burn a body and put the clothes in the ceiling? For all we know, they could have cryonic freezers the size of a garage. Ugh!

I am sorry if this has been discussed but is there a link to the article Le wrote for the student paper regarding crime? TIA

HI HALE 2d GNAW

Just a little bit ago - Rick Leventhal said HIS SOURCE is backing off that the clothes are related to Anne Le... < shrugs > seems there was drops of blood????

I have no idea who his source is, and if this is the source that started the whole "found a body" thing yesterday.

I would think that it could be as Rick is on the scene and gathering info and FOX reported that as a fact...also possible that Rick has many sources there and would need two at a minimum to say the body was found....anyway - more confusion.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

That's a good point. Maybe there are fire doors that don't have cameras on them because they aren't accessible from the outside. Bad guy sets off the fire alarm elsewhere, so exiting a door like that would not be an issue for him.

I would absolutely focus on the fire alarm. LE either doesn't know who caused the alarm to go off, in which case the perp likely did it...or they do know who did it. If that's the case, and the person is male, they would be #1 on my list no questions about it.

Did they have an accomplice? Did they murder her earlier, return to work, and then cause the alarm to go off? Lots of questions but as I said the odds of the alarm not being connected to her disappearance are near zero.



I was thinkiing about 1st floor windows or stairwells? Maybe a camera was manipulated somehow :confused:

[aproudmom]

I have been trying and trying to remember what missing person I think it was a man or college student left his friends and they searched and searched and watched videos and several days later after the building was searched they found him in a boiler room dead but I can not remember why he died and then I remember a college student thrown down a trash shoot actually maybe he was drunk never heard not that she was we know she wasn't but there are alot of places to search in those buildings and not sure how many ways out but with all the video I will be shocked if they can not figure out if she left that building.,that fire alarm sorry is way to odd IMO and I also SORRY feel anyone such as the big wigs do not want to come out and say something bad could happen on their campus alot of time they try to hide it...all JMO

[HALE 2d GNAW]

HI HALE 2d GNAW

Just a little bit ago - Rick Leventhal said HIS SOURCE is backing off that the clothes are related to Anne Le... < shrugs > seems there was drops of blood????

I have no idea who his source is, and if this is the source that started the whole "found a body" thing yesterday.

I would think that it could be as Rick is on the scene and gathering info and FOX reported that as a fact...also possible that Rick has many sources there and would need two at a minimum to say the body was found....anyway - more confusion.

Backatya, Mr Fate! GTSY

I don't much care for "unnamed" sources LOL. But I certainly don't turn away from it. I hope we get the scoop on that scoop. LOL


Annie and Jon were getting married but going to live in separate cities, right? How much longer did they have in school? I was just wondering where they were going to honeymoon, so to speak.

[HouseOfClark]

It will be difficult work, searching the landfill that's for sure, but landfills keep very accurate records of where each days
dumping is located, so the FBI will have an exact area to search.

I know this from being involved in sleuthing other awful cases.

I hope they find her if she's there.

How many days was it that Mark Hacking took before he finally told what happened to Lori?

Could be a similar type situation. The sad part is that even though they had records, they never recovered all of Lori.

:crying:

[Ven]

They were looking at the trash bins, what, Thursday? Why were they not looking at the landfill several days ago?

Maybe they did, I don't know.

[Ice Cycle]

Ice Cycle. Card readers are widely used as an entry precaution. One swipes the card to get in. I didn't read that one had to swipe the card to get out. IMO, that would only be used in a very high security setting. Maybe this building was and I missed it.

I can imagine how easy it is to gain unauthorized access to a campus bldg, especially during the day. The door is slow to shut and someone catches it before it closes. Or being polite, one student holds the door open for another, esp if hands looked full.

I have read that LE would have a hard time detecting Le in the mass exit when alarm went off. But public places like that must have panic bars that will open immediately when pushed.

Right and forgot that going outside it is not normally necessary (not full awake) to swipe it, worked a while back where had to use the card entry but that was going in to a building and certain areas, however if memory serves me it seems that even when one went out of a certain area that had a door, it was filmed.

[Ven]

Right and forgot that going outside it is not normally necessary (not full awake) to swipe it, worked a while back where had to use the card entry but that was going in to a building and certain areas, however if memory serves me it seems that even when one went out of a certain area that had a door, it was filmed.

Are fire exits filmed? I don't know, but possible they are not since they are not accessible from the outside?

[aproudmom]

So it has been confirmed they found bloody clothes or not:confused:

http://www.newsday.com/news/fbi-enters-building-where-yale-student-was-last-seen-1.1443592

[Ice Cycle]

That's a good point. Maybe there are fire doors that don't have cameras on them because they aren't accessible from the outside. Bad guy sets off the fire alarm elsewhere, so exiting a door like that would not be an issue for him.

I would absolutely focus on the fire alarm. LE either doesn't know who caused the alarm to go off, in which case the perp likely did it...or they do know who did it. If that's the case, and the person is male, they would be #1 on my list no questions about it.

Did they have an accomplice? Did they murder her earlier, return to work, and then cause the alarm to go off? Lots of questions but as I said the odds of the alarm not being connected to her disappearance are near zero.

I doubt if it was a coincidence either, I also think that the fact that the wedding was less than a week away might not of been a coincidence. This is beginning to sound premeditated to me.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I have been trying and trying to remember what missing person I think it was a man or college student left his friends and they searched and searched and watched videos and several days later after the building was searched they found him in a boiler room dead but I can not remember why he died and then I remember a college student thrown down a trash shoot actually maybe he was drunk never heard not that she was we know she wasn't but there are alot of places to search in those buildings and not sure how many ways out but with all the video I will be shocked if they can not figure out if she left that building.,that fire alarm sorry is way to odd IMO and I also SORRY feel anyone such as the big wigs do not want to come out and say something bad could happen on their campus alot of time they try to hide it...all JMO



If we are thinking abt the same case, it as accidental electrocution at Purdue. He wasn't found for @2 months :(

http://www.purdueexponent.org/index.php/module/Issue/action/Article/article_id/?module=article&story_id=4864

[Ice Cycle]

So it has been confirmed they found bloody clothes or not:confused:

http://www.newsday.com/news/fbi-enters-building-where-yale-student-was-last-seen-1.1443592

What I was wondering, it was in a news article but never heard it quoted by LE, or if they are hers.

[bchand]

Search at Hartford trash facility

Connecticut state troopers and people dressed in hazardous materials suits are at a Hartford trash facility, but it's unclear what they are searching for.

http://www.wtnh.com/

The activity is going on at the Connecticut Resources Recovery Authority facility along Maxim Road near Brainard Airport.

State police spokesman Lt. J Paul Vance would comment on any activity when contacted by News Channel 8 Sunday.

There was no visible indication police are searching the landfill in the North Meadows section of the city.

Lt. Vance would not comment on any connection to any other investigation going on in the state.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

What I was wondering, it was in a news article but never heard it quoted by LE, or if they are hers.

Going out on a limb here, but could someone have left them them up there while accessing the hvac ducts or some other mechanical access ie ladders to building systems?

She was in pharmacology, IIRC. Wonder what kind, if any, drug research was being conducted?

[Ice Cycle]

Going out on a limb here, but could someone have left them them up there while accessing the hvac ducts or some other mechanical access ie ladders to building systems?

She was in pharmacology, IIRC. Wonder what kind, if any, drug research was being conducted?

Well I suppose anything is possible, but what I now find odd is why even remove the clothes and then put her in a trash area or landfill ? Makes me wonder if the article about the clothes being found is true.

[Hey Paula]

Well I suppose anything is possible, but what I now find odd is if they were her clothes but now they are looking in a landfill and trash area. I mean why would someone hide the clothes in the building but then take a unclothed body out? Makes me wonder if the article about the clothes being found is true.

The clothes could also belong to the perp who, if they contained bloodstains, didn't want to exit the building wearing them. The article of clothing could have even been a lab coat.

[lune3]

I have to say I am very disappointed in Yale's handling of this case with regards to their attitude. Not only was that press conference bizarre in its seeming emphasis on PR, but it appears that the student body is pretty much in the dark about what's going on. My daughter has friends at Yale and I've been talking to a couple of their parents.

My daughter's college has about 6 times the number of students, is also located in a bad area of a city, yet when there have been serious incidents every single student is informed through email and text of any security issues and what safety measures need to be taken, and we PARENTS are informed by email as well. This year we've had two deaths, one by shooting off campus and the other by a hit and run. In both cases the university took immediate action and kept students and parents updated and informed. In the latter case the university offered $50000 for info, that over time was increased to $235000! And Yale, with 4 times the endowment offers $10000???

Here is a situation where a student is probably a victim of murder INSIDE a CAMPUS building, a killer is loose in the area, and students/parents have no info or instructions on how to proceed to ensure their safety.

Annie Le is part of the Yale family, a researcher who adds to the reputation of the school with her publications and research, yet I get the impression that Yale is more concerned about protecting their image than expressing real sympathy and concern for one of their own. I'm just so disappointed in the tone of that PC, particularly from the vice president Mertz. Granted there is an investigation going on but geesh, the smiling and posturing just wasn't appropriate.

I'm glad my daughter did not choose Yale.

[ttcRider]

The clothes could also belong to the perp who, if they contained bloodstains, didn't want to exit the building wearing them. The article of clothing could have even been a lab coat.

Thats what I'm thinking too Hey Paula.

[bchand]

I have to say I am very disappointed in Yale's handling of this case with regards to their attitude. Not only was that press conference bizarre in its seeming emphasis on PR, but it appears that the student body is pretty much in the dark about what's going on. My daughter has friends at Yale and I've been talking to a couple of their parents.

My daughter's college has about 6 times the number of students, is also located in a bad area of a city, yet when there have been serious incidents every single student is informed through email and text of any security issues and what safety measures need to be taken, and we PARENTS are informed by email as well. This year we've had two deaths, one by shooting off campus and the other by a hit and run. In both cases the university took immediate action and kept students and parents updated and informed. In the latter case the university offered $50000 for info, that over time was increased to $235000! And Yale, with 4 times the endowment offers $10000???

Here is a situation where a student is probably a victim of murder INSIDE a CAMPUS building, a killer is loose in the area, and students/parents have no info or instructions on how to proceed to ensure their safety.

Annie Le is part of the Yale family, a researcher who adds to the reputation of the school with her publications and research, yet I get the impression that Yale is more concerned about protecting their image than expressing real sympathy and concern for one of their own. I'm just so disappointed in the tone of that PC, particularly from the vice president Mertz. Granted there is an investigation going on but geesh, the smiling and posturing just wasn't appropriate.

I'm glad my daughter did not choose Yale.

It was an odd press conference. Mertz is FBI spokeswoman Kim Mertz.

Her odd reaction to a report about the body being found was strange too. Over the top for a professional imo.

I wouldn't be comfortable right now if my child was attending Yale either.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Well I suppose anything is possible, but what I now find odd is why even remove the clothes and then put her in a trash area or landfill ? Makes me wonder if the article about the clothes being found is true.

I am wondering about it as well, Ice Cycle. Just what I needed. Another hush-hush story :scared: I hope this has a positive outcome. :rose:

[Hey Paula]

Thats what I'm thinking too Hey Paula.

Hi Rider!

I really believe the perp is a Yale member, be it a teacher or student. Perhaps it was connected to Annie's impending wedding, if the perp had a romantic or sexual interest in her.

I'm also not dismissing that Annie might have been murdered because she witnessed a criminal or compromising act.

[Ice Cycle]

I am wondering about it as well, Ice Cycle. Just what I needed. Another hush-hush story :scared: I hope this has a positive outcome. :rose:

Right and more Media reports that are not actuate.

[aproudmom]

I was just sitting here thinking my oldest son stayed on campus last night with friends he is 19 but doesn't matter still my baby so I and had to call him to make sure he was ok..I think he thought I was crazy I am telling him don't cross roads don't walk alone but it seems these days you can vanish in broad daylight and that is very scary and looking at the links of them in landfills I could not imagine that being my loved one they were looking for...sorry O/T but shows we can never be to careful...


:sad:

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/post_479.php
At least a dozen investigators, some in white hazmat suits, were spotted sifting through trash at a Hartford incinerator Sunday morning as the grisly search for a missing Yale graduate student moved north.

[ginky41]

This is such a sad sad story :crying:

She should be experiencing one of the best days of her whole life. I'm afraid, IMO, that this will not have a positive outcome. Her poor fiance - I can't even imagine.

Prayers that Annie will be found today and that we will have some answers.

[aproudmom]

Well I suppose anything is possible, but what I now find odd is why even remove the clothes and then put her in a trash area or landfill ? Makes me wonder if the article about the clothes being found is true.

You know that is odd..good point Ice I guess I was thinking they were looking where trash from the building would go but surely they held all trash once they knew she did not come home...but like you said why hide her bloody clothes:confused:

[ginky41]

respectfully snipped...
:sad:

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/post_479.php
At least a dozen investigators, some in white hazmat suits, were spotted sifting through trash at a Hartford incinerator Sunday morning as the grisly search for a missing Yale graduate student moved north.

That article also says that they did NOT receive a tip that her body was buried in the landfil, they are saying "It appears to be the third false report published this weekend about the Le case."

[imc_e]

There was a post earlier.. wondering what Annie had been working on in the lab and I had read this:

She was known for her work ethic.

The 24-year-old graduate student spent 10 hours each day in her pharmacology lab, and lately, those hours had grown longer — Le was trying to get ahead before her Sunday wedding. She recently picked a topic for her dissertation: understanding how certain proteins are involved with metabolic diseases such as diabetes.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/11/ten-hours-days-and-still-smiling/

[aproudmom]

New Haven Assistant Police Chief Pete Reichard Sunday confirmed the search and called it routine. He and Yale Assistant Vice President Linda Lorimer flatly denied a published report that the cops had a tip that Le’s body might have been dumped in Hartford. It appears to be the third false report published this weekend about the Le case.

[Mel]

The clothes could also belong to the perp who, if they contained bloodstains, didn't want to exit the building wearing them. The article of clothing could have even been a lab coat.

good point!...i hadn't thought of that...

[Kip]

This is such a sad sad story :crying:

She should be experiencing one of the best days of her whole life. I'm afraid, IMO, that this will not have a positive outcome. Her poor fiance - I can't even imagine.

Prayers that Annie will be found today and that we will have some answers.

I know...I'm so sad today. One of my sons got married on a Sunday, three months ago, to an Asian girl, a tiny slip of girl, like Annie. I just can't imagine the fright, anxiety, and dread family and friends must be feeling with Annie's disappearance, especially today, a day that was to have been filled with joy and hope for the future.

[Mel]

I think this is going to be a lot simpler than we are making it. It is possible she is stashed somewhere in the building, but i am leaning to a different scenario

She was raped and murdered in the building, perp got blood on him and just stashed them in the ceiling as he put her in a duffle bag or a box. if it was a box i could see them being her clothes too..blood seeping.

May not even have removed her that hour, she wasn't reported for hours and he had time to go and change and return. He even may have continued working if others arrived and therefore just forgot the clothes in the ceiling. When he left, be it right away or a few hours later, he took her with him and through her in the trash somewhere.

She was small enough he could have carried her out easily and also stash her easily until he felt it safe to remove her. So long as it was done before searches started...

thats why im not convinced she is in the building still. Could be but wouldn't you get her out asap if you killed her?

oh and there are a lot of gym bags that would fit a 90 lb body, in fact its more likely than a duffel bag

i've been thinking along those lines also..she's a very tiny person...it wouldn't take much to put her in one of those rolling type cases...(not sure what they're called, but they're like a book carrier thingy)

surely the person that did this, is on video, wouldn't you think??...if they escaped somehow via the ceiling, then IMO, this is someone possibly in maint??

[lune3]

It was an odd press conference. Mertz is FBI spokeswoman Kim Mertz.

Her odd reaction to a report about the body being found was strange too. Over the top for a professional imo.

I wouldn't be comfortable right now if my child was attending Yale either.

Thanks for correcting me...I meant Lorimer, the first person who spoke, who came across as though she was giving a PR Yale speech.

[aproudmom]

That article also says that they did NOT receive a tip that her body was buried in the landfil, they are saying "It appears to be the third false report published this weekend about the Le case."

yeah I noticed that the body found yesterday that was reported the tip about the body in the landfill and something about her professor who canceled a class were all false from what I got out of it..

[aproudmom]

i've been thinking along those lines also..she's a very tiny person...it wouldn't take much to put her in one of those rolling type cases...(not sure what they're called, but they're like a book carrier thingy)

surely the person that did this, is on video, wouldn't you think??...if they escaped somehow via the ceiling, then IMO, this is someone possibly in maint??

very small and only 90 pounds IIRC and I have been reading comments under the links and they all pretty much say look into the maintenance..the alarm did not go off until 1 right? and she went in at 10 was she seen by a person between that time do we know or not?

[lune3]

Where Annie Le is, I think depends on whether the person had a vehicle in the garage or not. I'd think if the perp had a vehicle he'd want her body out of there...possibly. Or he was brazen enough to take her out on foot, in a rolling container/bag to a car elsewhere. Other than the incinerator possibility, it just seems unlikely at this stage that she's in the building. I expect they've scoured every corner, including inside the ceilings and mechanical spaces.
In any case, this person is very clever to avoid camera detection and the lengths that he evidently took to conceal her body, if we assume she is no longer with us.

[Mel]

very small and only 90 pounds IIRC and I have been reading comments under the links and they all pretty much say look into the maintenance..the alarm did not go off until 1 right? and she went in at 10 was she seen by a person between that time do we know or not?

i didn't know anything about an alarm going off:confused:

[aproudmom]

I know...I'm so sad today. One of my sons got married on a Sunday, three months ago, to an Asian girl, a tiny slip of girl, like Annie. I just can't imagine the fright, anxiety, and dread family and friends must be feeling with Annie's disappearance, especially today, a day that was to have been filled with joy and hope for the future.

needed a box of tissue just thinking about it Kip your right this should be such a happy day for all of them I can not imagine the pain they are all going through...:sad:

congrats on your happy day 3 months ago we should all have that day and to think she should be getting ready and saying I do to the man she loves very sad.

[KatieLady]

i didn't know anything about an alarm going off:confused:

A fire alarm went off in the building. I thought it was 10:00 tho????

[aproudmom]

i didn't know anything about an alarm going off:confused:

the fire alarm that went off due to steam is what they said and everyone left the building....

[Mel]

A fire alarm went off in the building. I thought it was 10:00 tho????

ah, ok thanks....guess i need to do a bit more reading, then...hmm

[Mel]

the fire alarm that went off due to steam is what they said and everyone left the building....

could be coincidence???...weird though

[aproudmom]

A fire alarm went off in the building. I thought it was 10:00 tho????

A fire alarm set off by a faulty smoke detector about 12:40 p.m. at the Amistad Street building isn't thought to be connected to Le's disappearance, university Deputy Secretary Martha Highsmith told the Yale Daily News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549222,00.html?test=latestnews

[KatieLady]

the fire alarm that went off due to steam is what they said and everyone left the building....

I am not a big believer in coincidence....it just screams of cover don't you think?

[KatieLady]

A fire alarm set off by a faulty smoke detector about 12:40 p.m. at the Amistad Street building isn't thought to be connected to Le's disappearance, university Deputy Secretary Martha Highsmith told the Yale Daily News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549222,00.html?test=latestnews

Thanks Mom

[aproudmom]

could be coincidence???...weird though

they are saying it had nothing to do with her disappearance they just do not know if she left the building also as of now they have not seen her on camera leaving is on one of the links I read but never know

[RainyNiteNTx]

I am not a big believer in coincidence....it just screams of cover don't you think?

To me it does.

[Ven]

I said this in the other thread, but I'll repost here.

I've done lots of lab research at university. While an alarm is not unheard of, it would be very unusual. The chance of it happening on any given day would be less than 5%, probably less than 1%.

The odds of it happening on a day when a student goes missing in that building...and at the same time of day the student goes missing, are so astronomically low that there is no reason to believe it is a coincidence.

[SavannahStar]

Yes, the family called the wedding off. (who else would have the authority or right to call off a wedding?)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/11/2009-09-11_family_cancels_planned_wedding_ceremony_of_miss ing_yale_bridetobe_annie_le.html

"A family member called and canceled it."

I stand corrected; however the (IMO) very cold words, "the wedding is off!!!!!!!!" is attributed to the person who works at the facility that they were to be married at. That was my main point.

[Mr FATE]

A fire alarm went off in the building. I thought it was 10:00 tho????

I think there is a quote in thread one that says 12:20 - don't quote me...:confused:

She arrived at 10 am - seen at 11 am and not seen again - I could have some confused with all the inaccurate reporting and things changing.

[KatieLady]

I said this in the other thread, but I'll repost here.

I've done lots of lab research at university. While an alarm is not unheard of, it would be very unusual. The chance of it happening on any given day would be less than 5%, probably less than 1%.

The odds of it happening on a day when a student goes missing in that building...and at the same time of day the student goes missing, are so astronomically low that there is no reason to believe it is a coincidence.

ITA Ven.....

[KatieLady]

I think there is a quote in thread one that says 12:20 - don't quote me...:confused:

She arrived at 10 am - seen at 11 am and not seen again - I could have some confused with all the inaccurate reporting and things changing.

Thanks Mr. F...I did get corrected LOL

[Mel]

I am not a big believer in coincidence....it just screams of cover don't you think?

are you thinking the alarm was set off by the perp??...maybe they used that to get people out of the bldg???....wonder how many were in that bldg, at the time..do we know?

eta...thanks to you Mom, for the link

[Mr FATE]

Thanks Mr. F...I did get corrected LOL

Hi Kkkkkkkkate lol...

ya know on the surface this looks like it's impossible to solve.

But in reality - unless the person waited inside the building all nite and maybe even for days - that person must have been caught on tape between like 9 am and 11 am... least I would think so...

so, wouldn't checking who arrived during those hours and with any boxes or cases - be a lead?

the other possibility is there are areas not covered by cameras and this person knows exactly where those areas are - but even so, why Anne Le?

[KatieLady]

are you thinking the alarm was set off by the perp??...maybe they used that to get people out of the bldg???....wonder how many were in that bldg, at the time..do we know?

eta...thanks to you Mom, for the link

IMO it would create a lot of confusion....ppl rushing to the exits. Who would remember who all went out the door?

Don't think I have read anywhere how many ppl were there.

[SavannahStar]

are you thinking the alarm was set off by the perp??...maybe they used that to get people out of the bldg???....wonder how many were in that bldg, at the time..do we know?

eta...thanks to you Mom, for the link

It was reported that the alarm was set off by steam triggering it in a lab. Would the perp have done that? Surely there is an easier way to set off an alarm.

I am not convinced it was not a coincidence.

Surely if people on a message board are convinced it HAD to be purposeful, and not a coincidence, LE would be intelligent enough to believe that as well. However, since they don't seem to think so, I take it they have investigated thoroughly enough to come to the conclusion it was in fact not related.

[Mel]

I said this in the other thread, but I'll repost here.

I've done lots of lab research at university. While an alarm is not unheard of, it would be very unusual. The chance of it happening on any given day would be less than 5%, probably less than 1%.

The odds of it happening on a day when a student goes missing in that building...and at the same time of day the student goes missing, are so astronomically low that there is no reason to believe it is a coincidence.

yeah, very odd it would happen on this particular day, at that particular time....if she was last actually seen around 11 am, & the alarm went off at 12:40...hmmm

i'm wondering how many people would have been in the bldg .... if it were a lot, then once the alarm went off, students would be heading out the doors, in groups, i would imagine......i say question everyone that had ANY type of book bag, duffel bag, any kind of bag...gosh, LE would first have to be able to see them on the video, find out their names, etc......wow

[Ven]

She entered the building around 10 a.m. and the fire alarm was around 12:40 p.m. IIRC. Witnesses did see her in the building after 10 a.m. but police did not make those details public. They will have a time for her last known sighting in the building and go from there I'm sure.

If the worst happened, then she might have been dead before the alarm and the perp used the ruse to hide her body, or she may have been abducted but still alive at the time of the alarm, or she may have been abducted at the time of the alarm. Hard to say without knowing more.

[KatieLady]

Hi Kkkkkkkkate lol...

ya know on the surface this looks like it's impossible to solve.

But in reality - unless the person waited inside the building all nite and maybe even for days - that person must have been caught on tape between like 9 am and 11 am... least I would think so...

so, wouldn't checking who arrived during those hours and with any boxes or cases - be a lead?

the other possibility is there are areas not covered by cameras and this person knows exactly where those areas are - but even so, why Anne Le?

To me it just reeks of being personal IMO. Someone she knew....someone who was not happy she was marrying....or jealousy over her work?

But it also could have been a crime of opportunity. Grab her while she was outside during the fire alarm?

[Mel]

It was reported that the alarm was set off by steam triggering it in a lab. Would the perp have done that? Surely there is an easier way to set off an alarm.

I am not convinced it was not a coincidence.

Surely if people on a message board are convinced it HAD to be purposeful, and not a coincidence, LE would be intelligent enough to believe that as well. However, since they don't seem to think so, I take it they have investigated thoroughly enough to come to the conclusion it was in fact not related.

since the article even mentions "faulty" alarm, i guess it's safe to say this alarm was having problems, even prior to this??

[Mel]

To me it just reeks of being personal IMO. Someone she knew....someone who was not happy she was marrying....or jealousy over her work?

But it also could have been a crime of opportunity. Grab her while she was outside during the fire alarm?

aaahhhh, i hadn't thought of that...guess students don't stop to 'key card out' during a fire alarm huh?

[KatieLady]

aaahhhh, i hadn't thought of that...guess students don't stop to 'key card out' during a fire alarm huh?

I wouldn't think so...but we aren't even sure you have to "card out" of the building....are we?

[Mel]

I wouldn't think so...but we aren't even sure you have to "card out" of the building....are we?

lol...good point

yeah, i have no idea

[Mr FATE]

here's another oddity about the fire alarm -

the alarm was in a lab triggered by steam - I guess heat could trigger it... but supposedly according to FOX news this morning the clothes were found in a CEILING OF A LAB... yet the basement was said to be under guard...

potentially two crime scenes?

[SavannahStar]

since the article even mentions "faulty" alarm, i guess it's safe to say this alarm was having problems, even prior to this??

That is correct. I saw "faulty" being reported even before the report about the steam.

[imc_e]

To me it just reeks of being personal IMO. Someone she knew....someone who was not happy she was marrying....or jealousy over her work?

But it also could have been a crime of opportunity. Grab her while she was outside during the fire alarm?

My instinct tells me that it was an inside job in the lab.

Someone she works with, who knows her schedule, who knows the building, cameras etc.

I think the perp set the alarm off.

What a horribly sad day today, her wedding day.

She could have been stalked by someone who was obsessed with her, and they couldn't let her marry, and took her life.

Just plain horrible.

MO

[KatieLady]

here's another oddity about the fire alarm -

the alarm was in a lab triggered by steam - I guess heat could trigger it... but supposedly according to FOX news this morning the clothes were found in a CEILING OF A LAB... yet the basement was said to be under guard...

potentially two crime scenes?

Grabbed in the lab...taken to the basement...then set the alarm off so as to get out of the building either with or without her?????

[KatieLady]

My instinct tells me that it was an inside job in the lab.

Someone she works with, who knows her schedule, who knows the building, cameras etc.

I think the perp set the alarm off.

What a horribly sad day today, her wedding day.

She could have been stalked by someone who was obsessed with her, and they couldn't let her marry, and took her life.

Just plain horrible.

MO

I can't even imagine what her family and fiancée must be going thru :sad:

[Mel]

It was reported that the alarm was set off by steam triggering it in a lab. Would the perp have done that? Surely there is an easier way to set off an alarm.

I am not convinced it was not a coincidence.

Surely if people on a message board are convinced it HAD to be purposeful, and not a coincidence, LE would be intelligent enough to believe that as well. However, since they don't seem to think so, I take it they have investigated thoroughly enough to come to the conclusion it was in fact not related.

i would agree, except LE doesn't always say what they really know, or think, during investigations...

still....does seem odd, but you're right..it might not have anything to do w/anything...

[Mel]

That is correct. I saw "faulty" being reported even before the report about the steam.

ok, thanks, SS

[Mr FATE]

Grabbed in the lab...taken to the basement...then set the alarm off so as to get out of the building either with or without her?????

makes sense except no one is seen on any cameras according to released info....And Anne Le is not seen being dragged to the basement... and here's another lil something that might be of interest - many of these type of labs need a key card to even enter ... so it's also possible that in addition to the front and side doors - it's feasible that a student or faculty member would need a key card to get into the lab Anne Le was in...

[KatieLady]

i would agree, except LE doesn't always say what they really know, or think, during investigations...

still....does seem odd, but you're right..it might not have anything to do w/anything...

The reporting on this case has been shoddy at best, so far, so I am not sure what to believe. Who knows if the "faulty" alarm report is even true.

[mitzi]

According to the New Haven Crime Log, there have been a couple of false alarms at 10 Amistad this year, and 1 at 12 Amistad.

http://www.newhavencrimelog.org/cl/streets/2021/amistad-st/

Still seems odd that it happened on this day, but I guess it isn't impossible.

[KatieLady]

makes sense except no one is seen on any cameras according to released info....And Anne Le is not seen being dragged to the basement... and here's another lil something that might be of interest - many of these type of labs need a key card to even enter ... so it's also possible that in addition to the front and side doors - it's feasible that a student or faculty member would need a key card to get into the lab Anne Le was in...

I wonder if the entering/exit data is kept somewhere? You would think it would be...right?

[Mel]

here's another oddity about the fire alarm -

the alarm was in a lab triggered by steam - I guess heat could trigger it... but supposedly according to FOX news this morning the clothes were found in a CEILING OF A LAB... yet the basement was said to be under guard...

potentially two crime scenes?

ah, thanks Fate...not sure why, but as i finished reading your post, this sounds like a student may have done it....students would know about the faulty alarm, right?...know how to set if off, since it was already labeled "faulty"....(course so would maint)

how long would students have to stand outside, during this alarm, wonder?

[RainyNiteNTx]

If this has been reported, I missed it. Does anyone know how long it took to evacuate the building, and how long the people had to wait outside before being let back in the building?

[KatieLady]

According to the New Haven Crime Log, there have been a couple of false alarms at 10 Amistad this year, and 1 at 12 Amistad.

http://www.newhavencrimelog.org/cl/streets/2021/amistad-st/

Still seems odd that it happened on this day, but I guess it isn't impossible.

no, not impossible...but still has my hinkey meter running in overdrive LOL

[Mr FATE]

I agree she did not leave the building during the fire alarm...

and there's probably only a few ways to get to the basement undetected.

one would be set of steps that are unobserved.

another would be something like a dumbwaiter.

With reports that the authorities received the building blue prints - I naturally thought to look at HVAC and all duct work - but maybe that's not the real reason...

maybe they received them to see if there was any old corridors that existed and were altered due to construction over the years.

[Sipsevdi]

This is my first post here, I found this site yesterday as I was looking for more information about Annie Le. After reading through this thread and the previous one, and both threads on Annie Le at websleuths.com, I've put together a small recap that might be helpful.

Timeline (expanded/corrected from timeline posted by eyes4crime at websleuths.com)

Sept. 8th. (before 10:00am) - Annie leaves belongings in office at Sterling Hall of Medicine

Sept. 8th (10:00am) - Annie walks 3 blocks to the lab on 10 Amistad St.; Annie had signed up for a 10am time slot (thought to be for animal research in basement?)

Sept 8th (10:30 - 12:00) - Dr. Bennett was teaching a class; PHARM 528a, Principles of Signal Transduction, Tuesday and Thursday, 10:30 - 12:00 p.m., Giarman Room, SHM B-201

Sept. 8th (11:00am-ish) - Annie reportedly seen by people in building?

Sept. 8th (12:00pm) - Bennett e-mailed Schlessinger (Pharmacology Department Chair) around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and no one knew where she was. Annie would not be available to TA her class at 2:00pm

Sept. 8th (12:40pm) - Fire alarm goes off - per press conference, caused by some sort of steam; later reports that it was faulty alarm?

Sept. 8th (2:00pm) - Annie misses Dr. Michael D. Robek Ph.D., Pathology class; Annie is the TA

Sept. 8th (9:00pm) - Annie is reported missing by her roommate

Sept. 12th (afternoon) - reports from NYdailynews and Fox61 (later Fox News) that bloody clothes (in ceiling tiles) and body have been found.

Sept. 12th (5:30pm) - Press conference; FBI Agent Mertz: "I will categorically say a body has not been found." "All I will say is that items that could potentially be evidence have been seized. None have been associated with Annie Le."

Sept. 13th - LE begins to search Hartford landfill for body; "Cadaver-sniffing dogs and officers in hazardous material suits starting searching the Hartford dump late last night [Sept 12th], ABC News is reporting."

New Haven Assistant Police Chief Pete Reichard Sunday confirmed the search and called it routine. He and Yale Assistant Vice President Linda Lorimer flatly denied a published report that the cops had a tip that Le’s body might have been dumped in Hartford. It appears to be the third false report published this weekend about the Le case.

“There was no tip coming in in any way,” Reichard said Sunday. “This [Hartford search] is standard procedure that was determined by the FBI. Trash in New Haven ends up in Hartford.”

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/post_479.php

Annie Le's work:
She recently picked a topic for her dissertation: understanding how certain proteins are involved with metabolic diseases such as diabetes.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/11/ten-hours-days-and-still-smiling/

Federal Grant: Anton Bennett, NIH, Myogenesis by Protein Tyrosine Phosphatases, 5 years, $1,798,500

My take on the false report of body found:

I was reading all of the most recent articles just as NYdailynews reported that a body had been found. However, I believe this was at the same time as the reporting of bloody clothes, and the way it was worded (and comments further on in that same article) lead me to believe it was a really bad typo - it was meant to say a body had NOT been found, but that ever important word was missed before it was posted and by the time they realized their huge mistake, other media sources were reporting it based on what they had written. So I think they felt that it was too late to retract, and since the PC was scheduled to be held about a half hour or so after they reported it, they figured that it might actually be true and they had no choice but to go with it. I could be wrong, but at the time it seemed really inconsistent with the rest of the article, and so I think it all originated there.

Websleuth threads (print friendly version, good for easy searching)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=88782&pp=1000

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=88887&pp=1000

[Mr FATE]

I wonder if the entering/exit data is kept somewhere? You would think it would be...right?

it's all data based... the records are somewhere. It would have who entered where and when. And it would also have any info on someone that tried to gain access to an area they were restricted.

so, in a sense if someone tried to enter the building or room where they did not have authorization - that's all logged too..

[KatieLady]

Welcome to the boards Sip :seeya:

Great re-cap. Would mind putting it in the links section? That would be a great help!!

[Mel]

Grabbed in the lab...taken to the basement...then set the alarm off so as to get out of the building either with or without her?????

i was thinking the very same thing, for a split second, Katie!...except i was thinking she might have been grabbed outside of the lab, in a hall, or restroom maybe, ....then taken to the basement, maybe?

Paula got me to thinking about the clothes...it's possible they/it could be a lab coat, the perp wore...they had to be IN the lab to do that, if it's a ceiling in a lab...

i don't see how she could still be in the bldg, not with the cadaver dogs they brought in...i dunno

[Mel]

I agree she did not leave the building during the fire alarm...

and there's probably only a few ways to get to the basement undetected.

one would be set of steps that are unobserved.

another would be something like a dumbwaiter.

With reports that the authorities received the building blue prints - I naturally thought to look at HVAC and all duct work - but maybe that's not the real reason...

maybe they received them to see if there was any old corridors that existed and were altered due to construction over the years.

that's exactly what i thought, when i read about the blueprints being brought in...

[KatieLady]

it's all data based... the records are somewhere. It would have who entered where and when. And it would also have any info on someone that tried to gain access to an area they were restricted.

so, in a sense if someone tried to enter the building or room where they did not have authorization - that's all logged too..

I know "they" say she wasn't seen exiting the building...if there was a rush out she could have been missed IMO And if lots of ppl exited the building only one card (or so) would have been used to open the door then others would have held the door for the next? I am thinking of how fire drills used to go when I worked at the High School. lol

[Mel]

makes sense except no one is seen on any cameras according to released info....And Anne Le is not seen being dragged to the basement... and here's another lil something that might be of interest - many of these type of labs need a key card to even enter ... so it's also possible that in addition to the front and side doors - it's feasible that a student or faculty member would need a key card to get into the lab Anne Le was in...

aah, you're right, Fate...hmm

[KatieLady]

i was thinking the very same thing, for a split second, Katie!...except i was thinking she might have been grabbed outside of the lab, in a hall, or restroom maybe, ....then taken to the basement, maybe?

Paula got me to thinking about the clothes...it's possible they/it could be a lab coat, the perp wore...they had to be IN the lab to do that, if it's a ceiling in a lab...

i don't see how she could still be in the bldg, not with the cadaver dogs they brought in...i dunno

From the beginning when I heard about the clothes I was thinking it must be the perps....don't know why...except that it made sense that if he/she got blood on their clothes they would have to do something to get out of the building unnoticed IMO

[Mr FATE]

how could you removed a body from a building without a box or a case?

Something just hit me.

Anne Le is about 5'0' and 90 pounds.

A potential perp could place her on his back with her arms draped around his neck and chest and then throw on a lab coat and basically conceal her from view and not need a box or case...

not sure that this could happen - but it could explain another way to remove someone and not need a box or case that would surely be seen on tape... and all that person might need it just enough leeway to reach the basement or another area that is unobserved by the CCTV...

just some thoughts.

[Sipsevdi]

Welcome to the boards Sip :seeya:

Great re-cap. Would mind putting it in the links section? That would be a great help!!

Thanks! I just posted it in the Links thread. :smile:

[Mel]

According to the New Haven Crime Log, there have been a couple of false alarms at 10 Amistad this year, and 1 at 12 Amistad.

http://www.newhavencrimelog.org/cl/streets/2021/amistad-st/

Still seems odd that it happened on this day, but I guess it isn't impossible.

that's an interesting site!..."suspicious person" on August 12th, if i'm reading it right..not sure what the other 3 of them actually mean though...

[KatieLady]

how could you removed a body from a building without a box or a case?

Something just hit me.

Anne Le is about 5'0' and 90 pounds.

A potential perp could place her on his back with her arms draped around his neck and chest and then throw on a lab coat and basically conceal her from view and not need a box or case...

not sure that this could happen - but it could explain another way to remove someone and not need a box or case that would surely be seen on tape... and all that person might need it just enough leeway to reach the basement or another area that is unobserved by the CCTV...

just some thoughts.

Thinking about labs I have seen....some have those rolling metal carts to transport things on. She could have been transported (covered) on one of those most anywhere without suspecion????

[Mel]

how could you removed a body from a building without a box or a case?

Something just hit me.

Anne Le is about 5'0' and 90 pounds.

A potential perp could place her on his back with her arms draped around his neck and chest and then throw on a lab coat and basically conceal her from view and not need a box or case...

not sure that this could happen - but it could explain another way to remove someone and not need a box or case that would surely be seen on tape... and all that person might need it just enough leeway to reach the basement or another area that is unobserved by the CCTV...
just some thoughts.

i would think they'd be walking around with a pretty good size hunch back though, wouldn't ya think??

eta....oops, i didn't finish reading, before i responded.....the bolded above, could make sense...just enough leeway to reach the basement or another area unobserved...

[KatieLady]

Thanks! I just posted it in the Links thread. :smile:

Thanks Sip...it will come in useful to refer back to!!

[Mel]

just started on Sip's post, but wanted to post, before i lose my train of thought.....is the lab, Annie was in, down in the basement???..do we know or not...would make sense, since the basement is being guarded, right?

[Mel]

welcome Sip:seeya:

[Mr FATE]

i would think they'd be walking around with a pretty good size hunch back though, wouldn't ya think??

eta....oops, i didn't finish reading, before i responded.....the bolded above, could make sense...just enough leeway to reach the basement or another area unobserved...


if seen from the side or behind, but maybe all the person would need is to obscure a camera looking straight ahead and in a sense you wouldn't see the back - only his front.

it's highly unlikely this occurred but it's a baffling case to say the least - so something has happened that is wayyyyy outta the ordinary..

[Ven]

Robek looks suspicious to me. The way he carries his face in his pictures.
I don't like it.

[Mel]

Robek looks suspicious to me. The way he carries his face in his pictures.
I don't like it.

is there a picture i can look at?...

he's definately been around her, fairly close, if she was his assistant..

nevermind..found one

http://www.yalepath.org/fmi/xsl/facultydb/detail.xsl?-db=facultydb&-lay=printing&-max=1&id=RobekM&-find

[Ven]

Was Robek the guy that cancelled his class?

[CC I See]

just started on Sip's post, but wanted to post, before i lose my train of thought.....is the lab, Annie was in, down in the basement???..do we know or not...would make sense, since the basement is being guarded, right?

Yes... and yes.

[Ven]

is there a picture i can look at?...

he's definately been around her, fairly close, if she was his assistant..

nevermind..found one

http://www.yalepath.org/fmi/xsl/facultydb/detail.xsl?-db=facultydb&-lay=printing&-max=1&id=RobekM&-find

http://www.yalepath.org/fmi/xsl/facultydb/detail.xsl?-db=facultydb&-lay=printing&-max=1&id=RobekM&-find

http://info.med.yale.edu/bbs/faculty/rob_mi.html

http://www.yalepath.org/research_labs/robek/index.htm#people

Can't judge only on how someone looks, but someone I'm sure the police are interested in.

[lune3]

Has anybody heard anymore about that guy who was taken away in a police car from outside the Amistad St building the other day, Thursday I think? Or was that something entirely unrelated?

[Mel]

if seen from the side or behind, but maybe all the person would need is to obscure a camera looking straight ahead and in a sense you wouldn't see the back - only his front.

it's highly unlikely this occurred but it's a baffling case to say the least - so something has happened that is wayyyyy outta the ordinary..

yeah, it's sure possible....& i agree...way outta the ordinary

[KatieLady]

Reading some comments on the Yale Daily...here is an interesting one

#26 By worked in that building before 2:39p.m. on September 13, 2009
#24
You don't need to actually "swipe" in, it's the kind that is like those at the gates of the colleges, like just get close enough, it'll beep you in.

And there are other parts in the building (like the mouse facility in the basement) that requires key-card access.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Seems her lab was in the basement by other comments on that site

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/12/police-bloody-clothes-found-students-lab/comments/

[KatieLady]

Has anybody heard anymore about that guy who was taken away in a police car from outside the Amistad St building the other day, Thursday I think? Or was that something entirely unrelated?

I haven't heard anything....

[Mel]

Yes... and yes.

thanks!...so the basement is where she would have been headed, once she got in the door...OK

[JHP]

This is in regard to reading Sips timeline. I think it is interesting that Anton Bennett e-mailed someone to tell them Annie didn't show and that she also wouldn't be available at 2 pm.

Just an interesting obsevation. I googled him he looks like a nice guy.

JMO

[KatieLady]

Someone commented here that there is an attached garage to the building...she could have been taken out that way. comment #1

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/11/no-suspects-students-disappearance-police-say/comments/

[KatieLady]

This is in regard to reading Sips timeline. I think it is interesting that Anton Bennett e-mailed someone to tell them Annie didn't show and that she also wouldn't be available at 2 pm.

Just an interesting obsevation. I googled him he looks like a nice guy.

JMO

How would he know that she wouldn't be available at 2????

[Sipsevdi]

Has anybody heard anymore about that guy who was taken away in a police car from outside the Amistad St building the other day, Thursday I think? Or was that something entirely unrelated?

If you're refering to the guy in the blue shirt, that was New Haven State's Attorney Michael Dearington. Updated caption at: http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/news_ap_new_haven_fbi_questioned_man_outside_yale_ lab_200909121120

[KittyMom]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h6BgLZZw8rBEvL5ha3Py_mIyoRiQD9AMK9AO3

Search for Yale student turns to Conn. incinerator

I saw a photo on a Fox station of the CSI guys and one was carrying a garden rake. I thought, how horrible. Annie should be carrying a bouquet of flowers, getting kisses from family, and having her friends tease her about the honeymoon. Instead .... :sad:

[Mel]

Reading some comments on the Yale Daily...here is an interesting one

#26 By worked in that building before 2:39p.m. on September 13, 2009
#24
You don't need to actually "swipe" in, it's the kind that is like those at the gates of the colleges, like just get close enough, it'll beep you in.

And there are other parts in the building (like the mouse facility in the basement) that requires key-card access.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Seems her lab was in the basement by other comments on that site

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/12/police-bloody-clothes-found-students-lab/comments/

& #19

The lab is in the basement, the fire alarm was set off by "steam" and the buildings being connected by steam tunnels, bloody clothes and a professor who canceled a class at or near the time she went missing is very suspicious. the cops know a lot more than what they said at the press conference---

have we heard about a professor canceling class around this time????

[lune3]

How would he know that she wouldn't be available at 2????

That's exactly what I was wondering. He emailed a full 2 hours before the class.

[JHP]

How would he know that she wouldn't be available at 2????

Exactly!! Now I don't know how correct this information on the timeline is. But that caused my hair to tingle.

[SavannahStar]

This is in regard to reading Sips timeline. I think it is interesting that Anton Bennett e-mailed someone to tell them Annie didn't show and that she also wouldn't be available at 2 pm.

Just an interesting obsevation. I googled him he looks like a nice guy.

JMO

I don't know whose words these are though. I would like to see the actual email:

Sept. 8th (12:00pm) - Bennett e-mailed Schlessinger (Pharmacology Department Chair) around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and no one knew where she was. Annie would not be available to TA her class at 2:00pm

And just a thought: I hate to think we can see photos of a person and judge them "suspicious" (Robek) or "a nice guy" (Bennett) etc. on the basis of a photo alone. :sad:

[KatieLady]

If you're refering to the guy in the blue shirt, that was New Haven State's Attorney Michael Dearington. Updated caption at: http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/news_ap_new_haven_fbi_questioned_man_outside_yale_ lab_200909121120

Thanks Sip...I guess the reporter should have found that out before posting the picture :rolleyes:

[KittyMom]

http://www.newsday.com/news/search-for-missing-yale-student-moves-to-landfill-1.1443592

Search for missing Yale student moves to landfill

FBI agent Bill Reiner said Sunday that investigators are searching the Connecticut Resources Recovery Authority’s landfill in Hartford. He said officials are “following the trash” that left the laboratory. He declined to comment further.

And a newspaper in Connecticut, the Waterbury Republican-American, is reporting that state police canine units are combing the landfill after receiving information that Annie Le may have been burried there.

[KatieLady]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h6BgLZZw8rBEvL5ha3Py_mIyoRiQD9AMK9AO3

Search for Yale student turns to Conn. incinerator

I saw a photo on a Fox station of the CSI guys and one was carrying a garden rake. I thought, how horrible. Annie should be carrying a bouquet of flowers, getting kisses from family, and having her friends tease her about the honeymoon. Instead .... :sad:

Oh God :sad:

[lune3]

& #19

The lab is in the basement, the fire alarm was set off by "steam" and the buildings being connected by steam tunnels, bloody clothes and a professor who canceled a class at or near the time she went missing is very suspicious. the cops know a lot more than what they said at the press conference---

have we heard about a professor canceling class around this time????

Regarding the class (or course cancellation), I had read in one of the reports that it was due to not enough students being enrolled. After all, the academic year just started.

[Mel]

That's exactly what I was wondering. He emailed a full 2 hours before the class.

ya know, i scanned right over that, figuring it was worded wrong:confused:

here's Anton Bennett

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/faculty/index.php?bioID=3

[KatieLady]

I wonder if there are cameras in that attached garage?

[CC I See]

This is in regard to reading Sips timeline. I think it is interesting that Anton Bennett e-mailed someone to tell them Annie didn't show and that she also wouldn't be available at 2 pm.

Just an interesting observation. I googled him he looks like a nice guy.

JMO

Yes, he does. But I suspect that it was someone that saw an opportunity to assault a pretty young woman and acted upon it. Someone lurking in the background with a criminal background with poor impulse control. Maintenance or cleaning staff comes to mind as it reminds me of other cases where this has happened.

If it was either of these, they would have access to large trash containers that roll and could easily dump the trash without anyone thinking it suspicious. I am disappointed that the delay in reporting her missing allowed the dumpter to be emptied before it was searched that day.... the day she went missing.

[KittyMom]

This is horrible to ask, but, exactly how much is left after an incinerator has burned? Would there be anything other than ashes? :confused:

[Mel]

Regarding the class (or course cancellation), I had read in one of the reports that it was due to not enough students being enrolled. After all, the academic year just started.

makes sense...thanks!

[JHP]

I don't know whose words these are though. I would like to see the actual email:



And just a thought: I hate to think we can see photos of a person and judge them "suspicious" (Robek) or "a nice guy" (Bennett) etc. on the basis of a photo alone. :sad:

Well, that was my observation about the timeline. I'm sure we all would like to see the actual e-mail if indeed thats correct.

I wonder which professor cancelled class, or if that is a rumor also.

And no you can never judge a book by its cover. But he looks nice in the photo. Maybe he is photogenic.

[SavannahStar]

Yes, he does. But I suspect that it was someone that saw an opportunity to assault a pretty young woman and acted upon it. Someone lurking in the background with a criminal background with poor impulse control. Maintenance or cleaning staff comes to mind as it reminds me of other cases where this has happened.

If it was either of these, they would have access to large trash containers that roll and could easily dump the trash without anyone thinking it suspicious. I am disappointed that the delay in reporting her missing allowed the dumpter to be emptied before it was searched that day.... the day she went missing.

I'm in agreement here.

[KatieLady]

This is horrible to ask, but, exactly how much is left after an incinerator has burned? Would there be anything other than ashes? :confused:

jewelery? fillings? :sad:

[lune3]

ya know, i scanned right over that, figuring it was worded wrong:confused:

here's Anton Bennett

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/faculty/index.php?bioID=3

It's always possible that Bennett determined that Annie wouldn't be available for some other reason, such as maybe she was supposed to communicate a lesson plan with him beforehand or meet with him, and didn't. And therefore determined that she was not going to do it whether she showed up or not. I don't know, trying to find a reasonable explanation.

[Sipsevdi]

How would he know that she wouldn't be available at 2????

It's possible that part is incorrect. I had taken it from the previous timeline posting at websleuths. Information I could find about the email:

"Schlessinger said that Bennett e-mailed him yesterday around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and that no one knew where she was."
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/

It's possible that he didn't actually say that she wouldn't be available to TA, and that it was inferred because she was missing only a few hours before the class.

Is it possible to edit posts? If so, I'll remove that sentence from the timeline. Sorry for the confusion.

[Ven]

Another thing to check are people who take out the garbage. If not caught on camera it wouldn't matter, but whoever takes the garbage out of the building if caught on camera could be a person of interest. You would think if you took a bag out to a dumpster and it had a body in it, the weight would cause someone to wonder what was in the bag.

[lune3]

This is horrible to ask, but, exactly how much is left after an incinerator has burned? Would there be anything other than ashes? :confused:

According to DoctorJ earlier in a post...hip bones.

[KittyMom]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/13/2009-09-13_details_of_the_canceled_wedding_of_.html

A life that may not be: Details of the canceled wedding of Annie Le



“They had everything going for them,” she said. “They were not only a couple, they were best friends. They reached a level of maturity that said they were ready for matrimony.”

“I always ask couples why they chose to be married,” Sherry said. “Annie clearly said Jonathan brought out the best in her and that she’s very in love with him.”

[JHP]

Yes, he does. But I suspect that it was someone that saw an opportunity to assault a pretty young woman and acted upon it. Someone lurking in the background with a criminal background with poor impulse control. Maintenance or cleaning staff comes to mind as it reminds me of other cases where this has happened.

If it was either of these, they would have access to large trash containers that roll and could easily dump the trash without anyone thinking it suspicious. I am disappointed that the delay in reporting her missing allowed the dumpter to be emptied before it was searched that day.... the day she went missing.

The large container is a good thought. I can see why they are interested in landfills now.

It was quite late unfortunatly when she was reported missing.

[KatieLady]

It's possible that part is incorrect. I had taken it from the previous timeline posting at websleuths. Information I could find about the email:

"Schlessinger said that Bennett e-mailed him yesterday around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and that no one knew where she was."
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/

It's possible that he didn't actually say that she wouldn't be available to TA, and that it was inferred because she was missing only a few hours before the class.

Is it possible to edit posts? If so, I'll remove that sentence from the timeline. Sorry for the confusion.

You only have 5 minutes (I think) to edit a post....but don't worry about it. Most of us who post a lot know that things change. Or you could make another post to amend it

[SavannahStar]

It's possible that part is incorrect. I had taken it from the previous timeline posting at websleuths. Information I could find about the email:

"Schlessinger said that Bennett e-mailed him yesterday around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and that no one knew where she was."
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/

It's possible that he didn't actually say that she wouldn't be available to TA, and that it was inferred because she was missing only a few hours before the class.

Is it possible to edit posts? If so, I'll remove that sentence from the timeline. Sorry for the confusion.


Thank you.

[SavannahStar]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/13/2009-09-13_details_of_the_canceled_wedding_of_.html

A life that may not be: Details of the canceled wedding of Annie Le




Heartbreaking, just heartbreaking. I feel so sorry for them all.

[KatieLady]

Update, 2:16 p.m. | An FBI Evidence Response Team — including a large truck and a Chevrolet Suburban — just arrived at the incinerator. They are now parked outside along with several State Police cruisers.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/13/investigators-search-trash-hartford-incinerator/

[JHP]

Update, 2:16 p.m. | An FBI Evidence Response Team — including a large truck and a Chevrolet Suburban — just arrived at the incinerator. They are now parked outside along with several State Police cruisers.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/13/investigators-search-trash-hartford-incinerator/

So Sad, I was kind of hoping she would be found alive. Things are looking grim IMO

[lune3]

I don't like the sound of the FBI Evidence Response team being there. Can one deduce they have actually found "evidence"?
This is heartbreaking.

[Mel]

It's possible that part is incorrect. I had taken it from the previous timeline posting at websleuths. Information I could find about the email:

"Schlessinger said that Bennett e-mailed him yesterday around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and that no one knew where she was."
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/

It's possible that he didn't actually say that she wouldn't be available to TA, and that it was inferred because she was missing only a few hours before the class.

Is it possible to edit posts? If so, I'll remove that sentence from the timeline. Sorry for the confusion.

Police confiscated all of Le’s materials from the Anton Bennet Lab in the Sterling Hall Department of Pharmacology, where she worked.

i guess it would be standard procedure to confiscate all of her materials from that lab, huh?...the one she didn't show up for

[CC I See]

Another thing to check are people who take out the garbage. If not caught on camera it wouldn't matter, but whoever takes the garbage out of the building if caught on camera could be a person of interest. You would think if you took a bag out to a dumpster and it had a body in it, the weight would cause someone to wonder what was in the bag.

I work in a large building.... each trash can is dumped into a giant hauler on wheels and rolled from place to place. The person can fit a huge amount of trash in the big haulers on wheels. The ones I have seen, you could fit several bodies into one of them. It is wheeled to the dumpster area and trash can almost be dumped straight down into the dumpster off a dock with little or no effort from the person dumping the trash. Yes, some of that trash is heavy because lots of files, paperwork and books are discarded. 90 lbs. is nothing in weight to a can from a large building.

[lune3]

Police confiscated all of Le’s materials from the Anton Bennet Lab in the Sterling Hall Department of Pharmacology, where she worked.

i guess it would be standard procedure to confiscate all of her materials from that lab, huh?...the one she didn't show up for

Police also took things from her apartment, and her computer. According to earlier reports, nothing enlightening was found on her computer, so far.

[Mel]

Police also took things from her apartment, and her computer. According to earlier reports, nothing enlightening was found on her computer, so far.

thanks, Lune

it's just so sad:(

[Ven]

If the bloody clothes are hers, it's hard to understand why they were separate from her body.

My only conclusion (please correct me if this isn't close) is that either the killer could only get her body where he wanted if it was nude (perhaps there are other cadavers there and he wanted her in the incinerator) or he left behind bloody clothes accidentally, disposed of her body, and then realized his mistake when it was too late to get rid of the clothes any other way than stuffing them in the ceiling.

[mitzi]

How would he know that she wouldn't be available at 2????

I wondered that also. She could have been running behind, car broke down, anything......yet he knew 2 hours ahead of time that she wouldn't be in class......

[KatieLady]

If the bloody clothes are hers, it's hard to understand why they were separate from her body.

My only conclusion (please correct me if this isn't close) is that either the killer could only get her body where he wanted if it was nude (perhaps there are other cadavers there and he wanted her in the incinerator) or he left behind bloody clothes accidentally, disposed of her body, and then realized his mistake when it was too late to get rid of the clothes any other way than stuffing them in the ceiling.

I still think they were the perps...if the report is even true IMO

[lune3]

If the bloody clothes are hers, it's hard to understand why they were separate from her body.

My only conclusion (please correct me if this isn't close) is that either the killer could only get her body where he wanted if it was nude (perhaps there are other cadavers there and he wanted her in the incinerator) or he left behind bloody clothes accidentally, disposed of her body, and then realized his mistake when it was too late to get rid of the clothes any other way than stuffing them in the ceiling.

At the PC it was said that the "items" found were thus far not "connected" to Annie Le. If they were her clothes, there would be that connection especially since it's known what she was wearing. I suspect the clothing was a lab coat, either hers or the perp's, or the perp's other clothing item..something more "anonymous" at this stage.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I work in a large building.... each trash can is dumped into a giant hauler on wheels and rolled from place to place. The person can fit a huge amount of trash in the big haulers on wheels. The ones I have seen, you could fit several bodies into one of them. It is wheeled to the dumpster area and trash can almost be dumped straight down into the dumpster off a dock with little or no effort from the person dumping the trash. Yes, some of that trash is heavy because lots of files, paperwork and books are discarded. 90 lbs. is nothing in weight to a can from a large building.


Plus, all the deliveries needed to keep a research facility functioning, some of them outside vendors.

But according to post #24 (link below), this building is only 3 years old and is not connected thru tunnels to the other bldgs. If true that bldg is that new, seems it would be state of the art and those 75 cameras alleged to rolling must show something, IMO. I hope the FBI team at incinerator is anothr false report :(

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/comments/

[Ven]

At the PC it was said that the "items" found were thus far not "connected" to Annie Le. If they were her clothes, there would be that connection especially since it's known what she was wearing. I suspect the clothing was a lab coat, either hers or the perp's, or the perp's other clothing item..something more "anonymous" at this stage.

I agree. Also, who said she wouldn't be available to TA her class Bennet or Robek? Wonder if one of them set off the alarm? Strange.

Has to be an inside job, either professor, fellow student, or someone who works in the building.

[Mel]

Update, 2:16 p.m. | An FBI Evidence Response Team — including a large truck and a Chevrolet Suburban — just arrived at the incinerator. They are now parked outside along with several State Police cruisers.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/13/investigators-search-trash-hartford-incinerator/

yeah, this doesn't sound good, does it?

i noticed this at the same link above...

And wherever she went, Le was cautious. During the workday, Le was always “very transparent” about where she was going, Bennett said, keeping colleagues up to date on her whereabouts.

Seven months ago she wrote an article — “Crime and Safety in New Haven” — for B Magazine, a student-run publication at the Yale School of Medicine.

“New Haven is a city, and all cities have their perils,” she wrote, “but with a little street smarts, one can avoid becoming yet another statistic.”

In the article, Le offered her fellow Elis advice on how to avoid being robbed or having one’s car stolen in New Haven and interviewed James Perotti, chief of the Yale Police Department, who gave her six tips for preventing crime.

“She did not feel safe in New Haven,” Schlessinger said, adding that her 4’ 11” stature would have made her an easy target.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/11/ten-hours-days-and-still-smiling/

makes it even more sad, imo, that she didn't feel safe to begin with:(

[lune3]

Why would an FBI Evidence Response team be at the incinerator if there was no evidence as yet. That's what worries me.

[Kip]

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/09/13/news/doc4aad41ad5531c586462814.txt

Bloody clothes found are not the clothes Annie was last seen wearing.

[Kip]

Why would an FBI Evidence Response team be at the incinerator if there was no evidence as yet. That's what worries me.

Because they're just going on the possibility. If they wait, any evidence might be forever gone.

[doctor_J]

According to DoctorJ earlier in a post...hip bones.

That wasn't me. Technically, the hip joint consists of several different bones.

There are pieces of several or many, mostly unidentifiable bones left after incineration. Bones fragments, body implants (including some metal stitches), dental fillings or bridges are all that is left. The metal is usually recycled and the bone is then put in a pulverizer.

[Ice Cycle]

At the PC it was said that the "items" found were thus far not "connected" to Annie Le. If they were her clothes, there would be that connection especially since it's known what she was wearing. I suspect the clothing was a lab coat, either hers or the perp's, or the perp's other clothing item..something more "anonymous" at this stage.

I don't think they have actually said what they have found for sure.
But here is what I was wondering, what did she usually do for lunch? I mean if she ate lunch I wonder if their is a cafeteria
or did she normally leave the campus, and did she normally go with anyone? Cause the fire alarm did go off around lunch time.

[Ven]

News report says the bloody clothes are NOT the ones Annie was last seen wearing. They had a small amount of blood on them and are being tested.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/09/13/news/doc4aad41ad5531c586462814.txt

Oops, sorry duplicate post someone beat me to it.

[lune3]

I agree. Also, who said she wouldn't be available to TA her class Bennet or Robek? Wonder if one of them set off the alarm? Strange.

Has to be an inside job, either professor, fellow student, or someone who works in the building.

I believe it was Bennett. Is it known if either or both Bennett and Robek were actually in the building at that time? At this point I do not suspect either of them, but do believe it was someone intimately knowledgeable of the building, an insider, and clever.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I don't know whose words these are though. I would like to see the actual email:



And just a thought: I hate to think we can see photos of a person and judge them "suspicious" (Robek) or "a nice guy" (Bennett) etc. on the basis of a photo alone. :sad:


LOL at picture judgment.


The Anton Bennett lab is in Sterling Hall where Le started her day and left her belongings b/f she headed to Armistead. Why didn't Bennett know that she actually had been at work that morning? Did someone purposely mislead Bennett?

So strange :confused:

[Sipsevdi]

I just read some interesting information about Schlessinger. Apparently he was accused of sexually harassing his secretary, and Yale ignored the woman's complaints...

"Another lawsuit against the university was settled out of court in June. Former medical school administrative associate Mary Beth Garceau had sued the university for failing to act on complaints that she was being sexually harassed by her supervisor, pharmacology chair Joseph Schlessinger. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed."

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2007_07/l_v.html

[KatieLady]

I just read some interesting information about Schlessinger. Apparently he was accused of sexually harassing his secretary, and Yale ignored the woman's complaints...

"Another lawsuit against the university was settled out of court in June. Former medical school administrative associate Mary Beth Garceau had sued the university for failing to act on complaints that she was being sexually harassed by her supervisor, pharmacology chair Joseph Schlessinger. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed."

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2007_07/l_v.html



interesting......

[lune3]

That wasn't me. Technically, the hip joint consists of several different bones.

There are pieces of several or many, mostly unidentifiable bones left after incineration. Bones fragments, body implants (including some metal stitches), dental fillings or bridges are all that is left. The metal is usually recycled and the bone is then put in a pulverizer.

Oh I'm sorry Doctor J. I thought it was you due to your expertise.
Thanks for the more accurate information.

[Mel]

I just read some interesting information about Schlessinger. Apparently he was accused of sexually harassing his secretary, and Yale ignored the woman's complaints...

"Another lawsuit against the university was settled out of court in June. Former medical school administrative associate Mary Beth Garceau had sued the university for failing to act on complaints that she was being sexually harassed by her supervisor, pharmacology chair Joseph Schlessinger. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed."

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2007_07/l_v.html

yikes!!:ohmy:

[lune3]

I just read some interesting information about Schlessinger. Apparently he was accused of sexually harassing his secretary, and Yale ignored the woman's complaints...

"Another lawsuit against the university was settled out of court in June. Former medical school administrative associate Mary Beth Garceau had sued the university for failing to act on complaints that she was being sexually harassed by her supervisor, pharmacology chair Joseph Schlessinger. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed."

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2007_07/l_v.html

Good grief, he's the department chair. I wonder if he was in the building at the time. I expect LE has determined exactly WHO was in the building between 10 am and 12:40 besides students.

[doctor_J]

IF the clothes were removed (and right now the media reports sre suspect) it would indicate someone who knew something about the incineration process. As someone else mentioned, some synthetic fabics, some zippers and buttons and other closures will not incinerate and would help to identify a body. Also bits like this would raise suspicion from anyone who cleans out the remains on a regular basis.

[Sipsevdi]

More information about the lawsuit:

A former secretary at the School of Medicine is suing Yale for monetary damages, charging that the head of the department of pharmacology sexually harassed her throughout her three-year employment and the University did nothing to stop him.

Mary Beth Garceau filed a complaint last week with the U.S. District Court alleging that her supervisor, chair of pharmacology Joseph Schlessinger, made repeated lewd observations and suggestions to her, from telling jokes about penis size to showing her hard-core pornography. The harassment started on her first day of work in 2001, she said, and continued until her resignation nearly three years later. The complaint further claims that Yale refused to address her concerns when she brought the situation to the attention of University officials, forcing her to resign because of the situation.

But Yale spokesperson Tom Conroy said the University did not act illegally.

“The University does not believe there was a violation of law, and it will defend itself in the suit,” Conroy said.

Under Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, which applies to any institution that receives federal funding, sex-based discrimination — including sexual harassment — is illegal. Yale’s sexual harassment policy defines sexual harassment as unwanted sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature on or off campus that interferes with an individual’s employment or academic standing. Sexual harassment also includes situations in which granting or denying sexual favors is tied to an individual’s job or evaluation.

Schlessinger, University General Counsel Dorothy Robinson, and School of Medicine Dean Robert Alpern declined to comment.

Garceau stated in the complaint that University officials protected Schlessinger when she informed them of the situation and told her that not only would her complaints be ignored, but that she would be the subject of investigations into her own conduct. As a result, the complaint said, Garceau resigned in March 2004.

“The University and said officials gave every indication that the plaintiff’s complaints would not only be ignored but the plaintiff was the subject of unwarranted accusations and investigations into her own conduct and became the focus of the University’s investigative efforts, all in an attempt to descredit her and protect the standing of Dr. Schlessinger,” the complaint said.

Under the 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling Jackson v. Birmingham Board of Education, retaliation against an individual who has complained about sex discrimination violates Title IX.

Garceau alleged that Schlessinger initiated numerous conversations with her about sex, the size of her breasts and the style of her underwear. During her first months at the department of pharmacology, according to the complaint, he told her about his sexual infidelity during his business travels and bragged about the number of women he had slept with.

In several incidents over the next year, Schlessinger showed Garceau pictures of naked women and, on one occasion, a hard-core pornography Web site, the complaint alleged.

Schlessinger claimed that a photo of a naked woman without a head was his wife, Irit Lax, an assistant professor in the pharmacology department, the complaint stated. While he was showing Garceau the photo, according to the account, Lax walked in and started yelling at her husband.

Lax did not respond to requests for comment.

Garceau is seeking back pay and benefits, compensatory damages and punitive damages from Yale of an amount to be determined by a jury. Garceau and her attorney could not be reached for comment.

Schlessinger has been the chair of Yale’s department of pharmacology since 2001. His research on signal transduction has led to the development of drugs for the treatment of cancer and other diseases caused by enzyme malfunction.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2006/12/01/univ-faces-harassment-lawsuit/

[Hey Paula]

I just read some interesting information about Schlessinger. Apparently he was accused of sexually harassing his secretary, and Yale ignored the woman's complaints...

"Another lawsuit against the university was settled out of court in June. Former medical school administrative associate Mary Beth Garceau had sued the university for failing to act on complaints that she was being sexually harassed by her supervisor, pharmacology chair Joseph Schlessinger. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed."

http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2007_07/l_v.html

Here is a photo. The lab is named after him?

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/chairman/

[Mel]

LOL at picture judgment.


The Anton Bennett lab is in Sterling Hall where Le started her day and left her belongings b/f she headed to Armistead. Why didn't Bennett know that she actually had been at work that morning? Did someone purposely mislead Bennett?

So strange :confused:

that makes no sense...if the Anton Bennett lab was where she started from that morning...the place she left her cell, wallet, etc...then she HAD to be there, right?....i'm confused now....

ok, so she started out her day at the Anton Bennett lab (office?)...left there & went 3 blocks to another lab??...i'm totally confused now

[Ven]

Schlessinger:

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/chairman/

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/faculty/index.php?bioID=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Schlessinger

[Mel]

it appears Schlessinger's gotten away with some things at Yale:angry:
...he must feel pretty safe about his job, huh?

[Mel]

Schlessinger:

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/chairman/

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/faculty/index.php?bioID=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Schlessinger

from the 3rd link above...so she works there also

Schlessinger is married to Irit Lax, an Associate Professor in the Pharmacology Department at Yale.

[Mel]

http://www.halfsigma.com/

the above makes more sense now....Anton Bennett was her 'boss' at the Sterling Hall of Medicine...that's where Annie's office was...she walked 3 blocks to the other bldg, where she was last seen...Anton notified Shlessinger that Annie didn't show up for work, back at 12 noon at the Sterling Hall of Medicine, where her belongings were...

Le's office and lab where she worked were at the Sterling Hall of Medicine.

Le also did private research at the Amistad building. She scheduled private lab time for 10 AM at the Amistad building. She left her purse and phone at her Sterling Hall office and walked three blocks to the Amistad building with some papers. There she swiped her ID card at the Amistad entrance at 10 AM.

The police say numerous witnesses observed her at the Amistad building and that was her last known location. Le needed to be at work in the Sterling lab sometime before 12 noon. Her team leader, Anton Bennett emailed the department chair at noon saying that Annie was missing at work. The fire drill at Amistad was at 1, well after the time she should have been at work at Sterling.
.

[Ven]

The Dept. Chair is probably the #1 suspect now given the fact that he obviously has an addiction to pornography and who knows what kind of groups he and his wife are into.

Unfortunately he has a lot of money and the whole university backing him I'm sure.

[Hey Paula]

it appears Schlessinger's gotten away with some things at Yale:angry:
...he must feel pretty safe about his job, huh?

Perhaps he is the reason for Yale being so tight-lipped about this case.

[Ice Cycle]

http://www.halfsigma.com/

the above makes more sense now....Anton Bennett was her 'boss' at the Sterling Hall of Medicine...that's where Annie's office was...she walked 3 blocks to the other bldg, where she was last seen...Anton notified Shlessinger that Annie didn't show up for work, back at 12 noon at the Sterling Hall of Medicine, where her belongings were....

But did she normally have daily contact with Shlessinger and which building is his office in?

[HALE 2d GNAW]

http://www.halfsigma.com/

the above makes more sense now....Anton Bennett was her 'boss' at the Sterling Hall of Medicine...that's where Annie's office was...she walked 3 blocks to the other bldg, where she was last seen...Anton notified Shlessinger that Annie didn't show up for work, back at 12 noon at the Sterling Hall of Medicine, where her belongings were....

I am not sure of that link or where it says Bennett said "Annie didn't show back up." But here is what was reported


Schlessinger said that Bennett e-mailed him yesterday around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and that no one knew where she was. Police confiscated all of Le’s materials from the Anton Bennet Lab in the Sterling Hall Department of Pharmacology, where she worked.



http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/

Who told Bennett that Annie had not shown up? Is this in fact what Bennett emailed to Schlessinger?

[Mel]

But did she normally have daily contact with Shlessinger and which building is his office in?

i don't know, but i would say it's possible he could find out when students had scheduled access to labs, right?

hmm

[CC I See]

But did she normally have daily contact with Shlessinger and which building is his office in?

Maybe she DID show up back at Sterling Hall and he said that she didn't. Maybe she walked out in front of someone and was not picked up on camera. Also, maybe the bloody clothes have nothing to do with her.

[Ice Cycle]

i don't know, but i would say it's possible he could find out when students had scheduled access to labs, right?

hmm

Sure but I was just wondering if his office was in either of the buildings she was seen in.

[ann10]

The Dept. Chair is probably the #1 suspect now given the fact that he obviously has an addiction to pornography and who knows what kind of groups he and his wife are into.

Unfortunately he has a lot of money and the whole university backing him I'm sure.


Seriously?

[Mel]

I am not sure of that link or where it says Bennett said "Annie didn't show back up." But here is what was reported





http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/

Who told Bennett that Annie had not shown up? Is this in fact what Bennett emailed to Schlessinger?

i would say, since Bennett was Annie's team leader, he contacted Schlessinger, when Annie didn't return back at the office at 12 noon....she obviously showed up there with her belongings, but had scheduled lab time at the other bldg...she leaves with her ID, & lab 'stuff' only...when she didn't return back for work, it sounds like Bennett did what he should have done...contact someone

that's how i'm reading it anyway...

[Mel]

Sure but I was just wondering if his office was in either of the buildings she was seen in.

i don't think so, IC...but i could be wrong

eta....maybe his office is at the Sterling Hall of Medicine???...i don't know

[Ven]

Dr. Scott Bussom referred to Annie in the past tense earlier this week:

Scott Bussom, an associate research scientist in the Pharmacology Department, works down the hall from Le’s lab — and before Tuesday, he saw her around all the time, he said.

“She seemed like a real hard worker,” Bussom said, “always here, always doing something.”

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/11/ten-hours-days-and-still-smiling/

http://natural-health-doctor.com/biography

[Sipsevdi]

Sure but I was just wondering if his office was in either of the buildings she was seen in.

From this link it seems like his office was in the Sterling Hall of Medicine building. The page is for "Schlessinger Lab" and that's what they list as the mailing address.

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/chairman/main.htm

[Ice Cycle]

Something else I was wondering is how did she get to campus, I don't think they have mentioned if she drove or anything about a set of keys. I think it is likely that she probably had a locker which is where they found her other things.

[Mel]

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/chairman/lab.htm

above is a picture of Schlessinger...3rd one down is his wife

[Sipsevdi]

Something else I was wondering is how did she get to campus, I don't think they have mentioned if she drove or anything about a set of keys. I think it is likely that she probably had a locker which is where they found her other things.

"The police believe she does not have access to a car."

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/10/graduate-student-goes-missing/

[Ice Cycle]

From this link it seems like his office was in the Sterling Hall of Medicine building. The page is for "Schlessinger Lab" and that's what they list as the mailing address.

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/chairman/main.htm

TY, I just wonder if she could of left the lab and stopped somewhere before going back to her building, maybe for something to eat or to drop off something.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

i would say, since Bennett was Annie's team leader, he contacted Schlessinger, when Annie didn't return back at the office at 12 noon....she obviously showed up there with her belongings, but had scheduled lab time at the other bldg...she leaves with her ID, & lab 'stuff' only...when she didn't return back for work, it sounds like Bennett did what he should have done...contact someone

that's how i'm reading it anyway...



Well, that is not what Schlessinger said. He said that she had not shown up for work. Some posts asked how Bennett could know at noon she wouldn't show up by 2. I am wondering if that is what Bennett even said in the email to Schlessinger.


And wherever she went, Le was cautious. During the workday, Le was always “very transparent” about where she was going, Bennett said, keeping colleagues up to date on her whereabouts.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/11/ten-hours-days-and-still-smiling/

Something stinks IMO

[Mel]

From this link it seems like his office was in the Sterling Hall of Medicine building. The page is for "Schlessinger Lab" and that's what they list as the mailing address.

http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/chairman/main.htm

then he does work in the same bldg she does, at Sterling Hall of Med, hmmm

[Leanne Weich]

they are saying it had nothing to do with her disappearance they just do not know if she left the building also as of now they have not seen her on camera leaving is on one of the links I read but never know

Unless they know exactly who or what caused the alarm to go off, even if it is known to be faulty, I honestly don't know how they can categorically claim it had nothing to do with her disappearance. JMO.

[forensicpsy~]

then he does work in the same bldg she does, at Sterling Hall of Med, hmmm

They all work at Sterling Hall on Cedar Street.

She went over to the lab at Armistad where she did experiemental work.

ETA: Bennett contacted Schlessinger late in the morning or in the early afternoon on Tuesday.

imo

[Lianasmom]

This is in regard to reading Sips timeline. I think it is interesting that Anton Bennett e-mailed someone to tell them Annie didn't show and that she also wouldn't be available at 2 pm.

Just an interesting obsevation. I googled him he looks like a nice guy.

JMO

Interesting if the timeline is accurate. He apparently claims nobody had seen her, yet she had been in her office earlier that day and a co-worker claims to have seen her as late as 11:00 a.m., unless the co-worker is mistaken as to the time or it's a false report. Didn't he cancel the class around noon? Hmmm, yes, why not wait until 2 to see if she showed?

[doctor_J]

I think we can safely assume that this building did live animal pharmacology research. It is reported that Le scheduled private research time there. Also that her lab and others were in the basement, which is where all live animal labs are located usually, near the incinerator. If it was a live animal research lab, even if only mice/rats were used, it requires a whole different level of security. And this is Yale remember, which would also raise security. IF activists wanted to make a statement, they would choose a lab at Yale if they could. Security is very tight and little to nothing can be done off-camera. Even a doctoral student can not enter any labs other than those she's cleared for and must swipe her card at every door.

I do not believe she could get into or OUT OF her lab or that building without being caught on camera.

Someone like a tenured professor (or a chair) would have complete access to all parts of the building as well as access to camera security and incineration records. They would have to have status also to be able to ignore a fire alarm. I'm sure they know by now who did not leave the building during the alarm.

It certainly would explain the bizarre tone of the pc yesterday and their "categorical" denial of having found a body, if there is no body left. It could take a very long time to ID cremains, and may well be impossilbe.

[Mel]

Well, that is not what Schlessinger said. He said that she had not shown up for work. Some posts asked how Bennett could know at noon she wouldn't show up by 2. I am wondering if that is what Bennett even said in the email to Schlessinger.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/11/ten-hours-days-and-still-smiling/

Something stinks IMO

yes it does, but i don't think Bennett has anything to do with it...sounds like he did what he was suppose to do, when Annie never returned back to her office at Sterling Hall..same place Anton Bennett works, her team leader....

i read a comment at yale daily news...actually more than one, that mentioned it was more likely, if the perp actually set off the alarm, where Annie was, they would have more than likely done it to GET IN the bldg, so they wouldn't have to use an ID card to get in...they could set off the alarm, where everyone would go outside...then when people could return back into the bldg, no one would need their ID card to re-enter.....

course that didn't make any sense...the person can't be a two places at the same time...

not sure what point i was trying to make now, lol sorry

[HALE 2d GNAW]

They all work at Sterling Hall on Cedar Street.

She went over to the lab at Armistad where she did experiemental work.

Bennett contacted Schlessinger late in the day or in the early evening on Tuesday.

imo



Per Schlessinger:

Schlessinger said that Bennett e-mailed him yesterday around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and that no one knew where she was. Police confiscated all of Le’s materials from the Anton Bennet Lab in the Sterling Hall Department of Pharmacology, where she worked.




http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/

[CC I See]

I was at work yesterday and workers were laying new carpeting in a large area. After they left and took all of their equipment with them I noticed a dark blue t-shirt laying behind some chairs. On the shirt was blood stains where one of the workers wiped his bloody hands on.... I didn't know that laying carpet could turn bloody. :scared:

Maybe when they were installing the ceiling where the lab is, one of the workers was using a shirt of some kind to wipe his/her hands on and maybe some blood as well from getting cut. (some of those tiles are sharp) Maybe they just left it in the ceiling and forgot it when it was time to clean up the work area. Just a thought as to why I think that the bloody clothes may not have anything to do with Annie Le.