Caylee Anthony 9/13

[legalmania]

It's Sunday time for a new thread

[Deannalynn]

Good morning, legalmania...:seeya:

[legalmania]

While I have time alone I'm going to start off where I left off last night. Is it possible that Casey Anthony got involved with a sophisticated drug gang that in some way caused the accidental death of Caylee. This is just one of many stories that I was talking about last night.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-orlando-westside-gang-bust-080209,0,6598571.story

[legalmania]

Good morning, legalmania...:seeya:

Good morning glad to see I'm not all alone.

[cassidy]

While I have time alone I'm going to start off where I left off last night. Is it possible that Casey Anthony got involved with a sophisticated drug gang that in some way caused the accidental death of Caylee. This is just one of many stories that I was talking about last night.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-orlando-westside-gang-bust-080209,0,6598571.story

I don't think so. There hasn't been a hint of drug gang involvement in any of this. Just my opinion though. :shrug: I dont think this was a complicated murder. Simply mom wanted to party and the kid was in the way.

[legalmania]

I don't think so. There hasn't been a hint of drug gang involvement in any of this. Just my opinion though. :shrug: I dont think this was a complicated murder. Simply mom wanted to party and the kid was in the way.


Casey is definitely protecting someone, I could never figure it out until I heard the depo of Annie Downing.

[legalmania]

This is strange I didn't know this.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d13-Three-children-kidnapped-from-Florida-on-911-or-September-11-Jimmy-Ryce-Part-1

[desmom]

I don't think so. There hasn't been a hint of drug gang involvement in any of this. Just my opinion though. :shrug: I dont think this was a complicated murder. Simply mom wanted to party and the kid was in the way.

I agree Cassidy.

A drug gang scenario is a farther stretch than the Jesse/Amy/Ricardo/Tone is Zanny scenario Cindy threw out to LE.

IIRC, Casey was drug tested. If the test was positive, I am sure we would have heard about it by now.

jmo

[desmom]

Casey is definitely protecting someone, I could never figure it out until I heard the depo of Annie Downing.

I have not read Annie's depo recently. What in Annie's depo makes you think Casey is protecting someone? TIA

[msgatorslayer]

This is strange I didn't know this.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d13-Three-children-kidnapped-from-Florida-on-911-or-September-11-Jimmy-Ryce-Part-1

Amanda Browns Mom had a story to tell that wasn't very flattering. She had to admit to LE that she picked a total stranger up at a bar and brought him home with her. When she woke in the morning, the strange man who, come to find out was a RSO, was gone with her Daughter.

She did what she had to do in order to get LE to look for Amanda. She didn't make up some bogus story, outta fear of telling anyone the truth.

ETA - Forgot to say G'morning!!

[legalmania]

Who was Casey partying with for 31 days Where did she stay? She didn't appear to be living on the streets. She was staying somewhere Why didn't she dump the car in a canal?

[desmom]

Who was Casey partying with for 31 days Where did she stay? She didn't appear to be living on the streets. She was staying somewhere Why didn't she dump the car in a canal?

Casey stayed with Tone until he went to NY. She then moved in with Amy. When Tone returned from NY, she moved back in with him.

ETA ~ Casey's partying friends were her roommates.


jmo

[legalmania]

I have not read Annie's depo recently. What in Annie's depo makes you think Casey is protecting someone? TIA

Just the things she said like Casey had a group of friends she knew nothing about, why was she hiding these people. Casey told her she thought she was going to have a nervous breakdown.

[legalmania]

Casey stayed with Tone until he went to NY. She then moved in with Amy. When Tone returned from NY, she moved back in with him.

ETA ~ Casey's partying friends were her roommates.


jmo

Nobody was wondering where Caylee was? Why did she tell Annie after this is over I have to tell you something. Annie didn't want to know, but I know who does Lee that is why he wants immunity.

[cassidy]

Who was Casey partying with for 31 days Where did she stay? She didn't appear to be living on the streets. She was staying somewhere Why didn't she dump the car in a canal?


I think LE knows pretty much where Casey was and who she was with during those 31 days. As far as the car goes, I think the smell took her by surprise and she simply abandoned it hoping it would get stolen and she'd never have to see it again. I don't think she was smart enough (or motivated enough) to get rid of it.
Motivated in the sense that she is lazy and it was easier to abandon it. :)
I don't think Jose has any big surprises up his sleeve.

JMO

[desmom]

Just the things she said like Casey had a group of friends she knew nothing about, why was she hiding these people. Casey told her she thought she was going to have a nervous breakdown.

The breakdown conversation was before Caylee's 2nd birthday in 2007.

IMO, Casey was not hiding her new group of friends since she invited Annie to join them at Fusians.

[legalmania]

Amanda Browns Mom had a story to tell that wasn't very flattering. She had to admit to LE that she picked a total stranger up at a bar and brought him home with her. When she woke in the morning, the strange man who, come to find out was a RSO, was gone with her Daughter.

She did what she had to do in order to get LE to look for Amanda. She didn't make up some bogus story, outta fear of telling anyone the truth.

ETA - Forgot to say G'morning!!

That must have been the worst feeling ever to know you picked up your daughters killer. A lot of women find these men though. I read about so many boyfriends killing or mauling children it just makes me sick.

[cassidy]

Nobody was wondering where Caylee was? Why did she tell Annie after this is over I have to tell you something. Annie didn't want to know, but I know who does Lee that is why he wants immunity.


The few people who asked were told that Caylee was a) with the nanny or b) with Casey's parents. No reason for kids their age to question further. Even Cindy appeared to accept it and didn't follow up. I have no clue why she said that to Annie. IMO Lee knows exactly what happend to Caylee, hence the immunity.

All JMO

[legalmania]

The breakdown conversation was before Caylee's 2nd birthday in 2007.

IMO, Casey was not hiding her new group of friends since she invited Annie to join them at Fusians.

I've got to go back but I think Annie said she only met Tony. I'm thinking of ZFG the imposter. Nobody ever met her or her group. She had money though.

[msgatorslayer]

Nobody was wondering where Caylee was? Why did she tell Annie after this is over I have to tell you something. Annie didn't want to know, but I know who does Lee that is why he wants immunity.

Why would any of Casey's friends wonder or worry where Caylee was? Im not saying this to be mean but a child is the last thing any of these young adults cared about. It wasn't bothering them that Casey didn't bring Caylee with her. Without Caylee, there was freedom for everyone. They didn't have to worry about cussing. Or entertaining a tot. No temper tantrums. Etc all.

And if Casey said Caylee was with someone else being babysat, why would they question that?

[desmom]

Nobody was wondering where Caylee was? Why did she tell Annie after this is over I have to tell you something. Annie didn't want to know, but I know who does Lee that is why he wants immunity.

Her friends did ask where Caylee was and Casey said Caylee was with the Nanny or with Grandma Cindy.

jmo

[legalmania]

The few people who asked were told that Caylle was a) with the nanny or b) with Casey's parents. No reason for kids their age to question further. Even Cindy appeared to accept it and didn't follow up. I have no clue why she said that to Annie. IMO Lee knows exactly what happend to Caylee, hence the immunity.

All JMO

Well if one of my friends even at 22 stopped showing up with their kid, I would be relentless in my questioning. I use to watch some of my friends kids and if they were missing for more than a weekend, I would get worried.

[msgatorslayer]

That must have been the worst feeling ever to know you picked up your daughters killer. A lot of women find these men though. I read about so many boyfriends killing or mauling children it just makes me sick.

I know. They have to live with it for the rest of their lives. A 1 y.o was just killed in my area by a boyfriend. The baby wouldn't stop crying and was beaten to death. :crying:

[legalmania]

Her friends did ask where Caylee was and Casey said Caylee was with the Nanny or with Grandma Cindy.

jmo

Well Casey was lying, why, why did she lie, why didn't she just come out and say I don't know where she is?

[desmom]

I've got to go back but I think Annie said she only met Tony. I'm thinking of ZFG the imposter. Nobody ever met her or her group. She had money though.

Yes Annie said she met Tone for the lst time on July 5 at Buffalo Wild Wings. There was a group of them watching the USC fights.

The only ZFG and Jeffery Michael Hopkins with a son named Zachary Hopkins that introduced Casey to ZFG lives in Caseyland. IOW, they do not exist.

jmo

[legalmania]

I know. They have to live with it for the rest of their lives. A 1 y.o was just killed in my area by a boyfriend. The baby wouldn't stop crying and was beaten to death. :crying:

Even though I'm a professional and know the law, I would have to do a Dexter on him.

[desmom]

Well Casey was lying, why, why did she lie, why didn't she just come out and say I don't know where she is?

Casey was lying? :eek: You are kidding right? :lol:

If she told her friends she did not know where Caylee was, they would have asked more questions and contacted LE. You know, like Cindy did!

jmo

[cassidy]

Well Casey was lying, why, why did she lie, why didn't she just come out and say I don't know where she is?

What could she have said? I dumped her in the woods by my house? She was lying to cover up the fact that Caylee was dead. Simple.
JMO

[legalmania]

Yes Annie said she met Tone for the lst time on July 5 at Buffalo Wild Wings. There was a group of them watching the USC fights.

The only ZFG and Jeffery Michael Hopkins with a son named Zachary Hopkins that introduced Casey to ZFG lives in Caseyland. IOW, they do not exist.

jmo

Well Annie said Casey was leaving Caylee with somebody besides her mother and whoever it was was taking care of Caylee. So that's a big mystery to me.

[msgatorslayer]

Well Casey was lying, why, why did she lie, why didn't she just come out and say I don't know where she is?

:lol: Oh, Legal. You're too funny this morning!!

[cassidy]

Well if one of my friends even at 22 stopped showing up with their kid, I would be relentless in my questioning. I use to watch some of my friends kids and if they were missing for more than a weekend, I would get worried.
The kids in question were recent friends of Casey's They asked, she told, they believed. At 22 I would have believed too. :shrug:

[msgatorslayer]

Well Annie said Casey was leaving Caylee with somebody besides her mother and whoever it was was taking care of Caylee. So that's a big mystery to me.

Casey lived in this fantasy land where she was BETTER than everyone else. Telling someone her Mom was babysitting for her wasn't exactly "Bella Vida".

[legalmania]

Casey was lying? :eek: You are kidding right? :lol:

If she told her friends she did not know where Caylee was, they would have asked more questions and contacted LE. You know, like Cindy did!

jmo

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.

[msgatorslayer]

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.

She doesn't strike me as being scared of anything.

The whole story will help seal her deal with the needle, IMO.

[desmom]

Well Annie said Casey was leaving Caylee with somebody besides her mother and whoever it was was taking care of Caylee. So that's a big mystery to me.

Annie had no personal knowledge that someone was watching Caylee. Annie said she thinks there was somebody that watched Caylee. When asked why, she said it was a gut feeling.

IMO, Annie wanted to believe there was somebody. To believe otherwise, would be a reality check that her at one time BFF killed her daughter.

[legalmania]

The kids in question were recent friends of Casey's They asked, she told, they believed. At 22 I would have believed too. :shrug:

Well I guess I wasn't as gullible at 22 than some.

[Barbara fl.]

While I have time alone I'm going to start off where I left off last night. Is it possible that Casey Anthony got involved with a sophisticated drug gang that in some way caused the accidental death of Caylee. This is just one of many stories that I was talking about last night.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-orlando-westside-gang-bust-080209,0,6598571.story


Good morning everyone,

Sorry Legalmania for such a short answer...but NO........

[desmom]

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.

I have not interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers or killers, but I do believe I have common sense, can follow the facts of the case and read witness statements.

IMO, the only thing that has Casey spooked is the sound of clanging doors with bars slamming shut in her face for the rest of her life.

[cassidy]

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.

She didn't appear "spooked" to me. She calmly told lie after lie after lie to LE. One didn't work, she tried another. The only thing she might be afraid of is spending the rest of her born days in prison.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Well I guess I wasn't as gullible at 22 than some.

I really don't see how anyone can be considered gullible for believing that a child is, [gasp] being babysat.

[legalmania]

She doesn't strike me as being scared of anything.

The whole story will help seal her deal with the needle, IMO.

She is definitely responsible for Caylee death. She could have walked away with child negligence instead she picked the death penalty? I think she made that choice because she was afraid to bring those dealers into the story.

[desmom]

She is definitely responsible for Caylee death. She could have walked away with child negligence instead she picked the death penalty? I think she made that choice because she was afraid to bring those dealers into the story.

If Casey is definitely responsible for Caylee's death, how could she have walked away with child negligence?

[legalmania]

I think LE knows pretty much where Casey was and who she was with during those 31 days. As far as the car goes, I think the smell took her by surprise and she simply abandoned it hoping it would get stolen and she'd never have to see it again. I don't think she was smart enough (or motivated enough) to get rid of it.
Motivated in the sense that she is lazy and it was easier to abandon it. :)
I don't think Jose has any big surprises up his sleeve.

JMO

Get stolen with no gas? She was driving all over the place, there was a quarry right behind her house. She decides to drive all over Orlando and then leave it in plain sight so it gets towed?

[Barbara fl.]

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.


If your child being murdered and your facing the death penalty doesn't spook you...then nothing in this world would spook Casey.....

Casey was so spoiled all her life and constantly told how georgous she was that it turned her into a monster....when Caylee was born it was more of a sibling rivalry then a child of hers and she turned to despising her rather then love her.....Caylee was in Casey's way and she had to get rid of this burden......

I believe that she did plan this but put it into action after the big fight with Cindy....but even had that fight not happened, eventually this would have taken place.....jmo

[cassidy]

Get stolen with no gas? She was driving all over the place, there was a quarry right behind her house. She decides to drive all over Orlando and then leave it in plain sight so it gets towed?
Yep, that appears to be what she did with it. Lazy I'll tell ya. And we really don't know if it was out of gas, now do we?

JMO

[legalmania]

If Casey is definitely responsible for Caylee's death, how could she have walked away with child negligence?

Because when she first got arrested she was offered child negligence if she just told them where Caylee was. She decides to say she doesn't know. They gave her so many offers, she didn't want to give it up.

[cassidy]

Because when she first got arrested she was offered child negligence if she just told them where Caylee was. She decides to say she doesn't know. They gave her so many offers, she didn't want to give it up.

She was covering for herself. IMO

[spydernweb2006]

I truly believe had someone other then Casey killed Caylee you would have found Caylee alot sooner and somplace like the trunk of her car. Some time and place that would incriminate Casey. Someone hid Caylee's body after it was in the car trunk. That it not the actions of someone who would want to get back at Casey for something. Also Caylee's body was placed with too many personal items and in a place that had meaning only to Casey. I just dont see a stranger being able to :

Use duct tape found in the Anthony Home.
Place books and other personal objects with Caylee.
Use a hamper liner from the Anthony Home.
Place a heart shaped sticker over Caylee's mouth in a weird loving way.


Also again I state Casey's demeanor during the time since Caylee was first missing. The only care Casey has ever shown was for her own heiny, never once has she shown an iota of care for Caylee.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[legalmania]

If your child being murdered and your facing the death penalty doesn't spook you...then nothing in this world would spook Casey.....

Casey was so spoiled all her life and constantly told how georgous she was that it turned her into a monster....when Caylee was born it was more of a sibling rivalry then a child of hers and she turned to despising her rather then love her.....Caylee was in Casey's way and she had to get rid of this burden......

I believe that she did plan this but put it into action after the big fight with Cindy....but even had that fight not happened, eventually this would have taken place.....jmo

She was facing a few years instead she chooses death? Millions of women are told there beautiful and are spoiled rotten look at Paris Hilton but she is not a monster. I think she would rather die than risk here entire family being wiped out.

[cassidy]

Just curious legalmania. Who do you think killed Caylee, why and how?

[Rapunzel]

While I have time alone I'm going to start off where I left off last night. Is it possible that Casey Anthony got involved with a sophisticated drug gang that in some way caused the accidental death of Caylee. This is just one of many stories that I was talking about last night.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-orlando-westside-gang-bust-080209,0,6598571.story


In JMHO...I don't think so...there is no evidence of her being involved with anyone like that...they have listed all her friends (cough)...more like victims in this case...I think with all the investigative tools used...they would have found some connection by now and we would have heard at least some gossip if she was involved in this some way...also she had no money...she couldn't even buy gas for her car for God's sake...she stole from everyone she could...If she was involved with a drug cartel she would be well taken care of...

[Rapunzel]

Casey is definitely protecting someone, I could never figure it out until I heard the depo of Annie Downing.


JMHO...KC would not protect anyone...she is a sociopath...she thinks only of herself...please read up on the personality traits of a sociopath and maybe you will be able to better understand why she has done the things she did.

[legalmania]

Well board I think this was a pretty good debate but you're gonna have to entertain yourselves for a while, I just took my temperature and it's 102. But let me leave you with a song. Love you Caylee.

---------------
Now playing: John Lennon - Mind Games (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/john_lennon/track/mind_games)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Sun]

I have not interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers or killers, but I do believe I have common sense, can follow the facts of the case and read witness statements.

IMO, the only thing that has Casey spooked is the sound of clanging doors with bars slamming shut in her face for the rest of her life.

My common sense is telling much the same thing that desmom's common sense is telling her. IMO, Casey knew that she was responsible for Caylee's death. Casey knew that if she told anyone, that she would be in big trouble. Caylee's death was no accident, and Casey knew it. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

She was facing a few years instead she chooses death? Millions of women are told there beautiful and are spoiled rotten look at Paris Hilton but she is not a monster. I think she would rather die than risk here entire family being wiped out.

What Casey is choosing, IMO, is freedom. She's looking forward to being acquited.

[Rapunzel]

Who was Casey partying with for 31 days Where did she stay? She didn't appear to be living on the streets. She was staying somewhere Why didn't she dump the car in a canal?

She stayed at RM's and TonE's...and a good part of the time lived in her car...she had every intention of picking up the car IMO...she was going to get gas for it(gas can purchase)...I believe the car stunk and she thought in her little pea brain if she left it for a few days the smell would go away...she had no idea that decomp. smell would not go away...she would get gas for it and be on her merry way...but being the lazy a** she is...she waited to long and it was towed...

[desmom]

Not true.

When first arrested, she was given the chance to change her story. She didn't.

At one time, Jose approached LE, LE offered to discuss limited immunity, Jose dropped the matter and nothing was ever formally done.

There have been no other plea offers.

Casey thinks she's going to wiggle out of this just as she has wiggled out of every other mis-deed she has committed in her life.


Exactly!

Casey flies by the seat of her pants with an out of sight out of mind mentality. She has never been held responsible for her mis-deeds in the past and thinks she is going to walk away from this one.

Are we being used as a sounding board for the defense strategy? If that is the case, the defense team needs to go back to the drawing board. There is no evidence Casey has ever been involved with a drug gang.

jmo

[Sun]

I'm beginning to wonder where all those motions are, the ones that Lyon said that she'd be filing after Labor Day.

I also suspect that Lyon isn't quite done yet with the ruling of Judge Strickland's, to allow the criminal check/fraud case to be tried sometime in the next few months. I wonder what the next legal move would be for Lyon to get this ruling overturned?

[Rapunzel]

Just the things she said like Casey had a group of friends she knew nothing about, why was she hiding these people. Casey told her she thought she was going to have a nervous breakdown.

The nervous breakdown was well before Caylee was murdered...once again...she is a sociopath...has to have constant attention...she was just vying for attention by saying that...sociopath's want pity from people more then any other emotion.

[Rapunzel]

Well Casey was lying, why, why did she lie, why didn't she just come out and say I don't know where she is?


You are kidding...right???

She freakin' murdered her...why would she raise suspicion by saying she didn't know where she was at???

Why would she lie...cause that's what she does...sociopathology 101...

[Barbara fl.]

She was facing a few years instead she chooses death? Millions of women are told there beautiful and are spoiled rotten look at Paris Hilton but she is not a monster. I think she would rather die than risk here entire family being wiped out.


I really can not go along with such a theory....a person who lied for 2 years about working...drives around in a car that reaks of her daughters decomposing body....steals her best friends check book and goes on a shopping spree....never once shed a tear for her daughter (instead goes out partying)......never even reports her daughter missing.....claims that this so called nanny has a key to her families home, but yet she doesn't go home for those 31 days to try and protect her family (from these so called drug kings that have her daughter?) .....Do you actually expect a jury to even give it a thought that she was worried for her family and is willing to die to protect them?????

Casey is only protecting herself, no one else...she would throw her entire family under the bus to get out of jail....if she could have a trade off right now......her family to be behind bars and she goes free, she would take it.....

Also let's not forget, she even stole from her grandparents....She is just NO GOOD....EVIL....and doesn't deserve to be around human beings ever again.....JMO

[Sun]

She stayed at RM's and TonE's...and a good part of the time lived in her car...she had every intention of picking up the car IMO...she was going to get gas for it(gas can purchase)...I believe the car stunk and she thought in her little pea brain if she left it for a few days the smell would go away...she had no idea that decomp. smell would not go away...she would get gas for it and be on her merry way...but being the lazy a** she is...she waited to long and it was towed...

IMO, Casey had every intentions of getting her car, but waited too long this time and it was towed. IIRC, she also ran her car out of gas on Friday, June 20th (parked on a residential side street), and didn't go back to get it until June 23rd (when she and Tony broke into the shed and stole the gas cans).

[Barbara fl.]

She is definitely responsible for Caylee death. She could have walked away with child negligence instead she picked the death penalty? I think she made that choice because she was afraid to bring those dealers into the story.

No...she just thought and probably still thinks she could get away with the whole thing....

Another Scott Peterson....she will take i to the grave rather then own up to murdering her daughter.......bottom line...

[msgatorslayer]

I really can not go along with such a theory....a person who lied for 2 years about working...drives around in a car that reaks of her daughters decomposing body....steals her best friends check book and goes on a shopping spree....never once shed a tear for her daughter (instead goes out partying)......never even reports her daughter missing.....claims that this so called nanny has a key to her families home, but yet she doesn't go home for those 31 days to try and protect her family (from these so called drug kings that have her daughter?) .....Do you actually expect a jury to even give it a thought that she was worried for her family and is willing to die to protect them?????

Casey is only protecting herself, no one else...she would throw her entire family under the bus to get out of jail....if she could have a trade off right now......her family to be behind bars and she goes free, she would take it.....

Also let's not forget, she even stole from her grandparents....She is just NO GOOD....EVIL....and doesn't deserve to be around human beings ever again.....JMO

:thumbsup: Well said!!

The lying didn't start on June 16th! She's been doing it all her life.

[Rapunzel]

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.

I think you have interviewed one to many then and cannot see the forest through the trees...She murdered her!!! What about her demeanor makes you think at anytime she was scared??? She was just trying to cover up...which is different then scared...

[Barbara fl.]

What could she have said? I dumped her in the woods by my house? She was lying to cover up the fact that Caylee was dead. Simple.
JMO


Right...and also, she couldn't tell them where the body was because she knew that the tape covered her air supply so there goes accidental death...

[Barbara fl.]

If Casey is definitely responsible for Caylee's death, how could she have walked away with child negligence?


She couldn't....and she knew it....the tape took care of that angle....

[Kathlb]

Because when she first got arrested she was offered child negligence if she just told them where Caylee was. She decides to say she doesn't know. They gave her so many offers, she didn't want to give it up.

She absolutely didn't want to give it up, but there are no nefarious drug dealers in this at all. She killed Caylee because she just plain got in the way of her new life she wanted with TonE. Simply that and no more. When you try and bring in some drug dealers, you are playing right into the Def. story. It wasn't her fault. Well it WAS her fault and being a cold sociopath, she killed her, got her out of the way and went back to TonE's to eat, drink, party and be merry.

And I believe she planned all along to blame it on the invisible nanny when Caylee never came back home to Cindy. MOO

[msgatorslayer]

She couldn't....and she knew it....the tape took care of that angle....

I have a theory that Casey was angry and started shaking and hitting Caylee. When Caylee cried out and wouldn't shut up, Casey got angrier and slapped the duct tape on her mouth to shut her up. Then continued beating her to death.:crying:

[Barbara fl.]

I have a theory that Casey was angry and started shaking and hitting Caylee. When Caylee cried out and wouldn't shut up, Casey got angrier and slapped the duct tape on her mouth to shut her up. Then continued beating her to death.:crying:


I totally agree....And it is not within Casey to admit to anything at all more less murder of Caylee....

[trich]

JMHO...KC would not protect anyone...she is a sociopath...she thinks only of herself...please read up on the personality traits of a sociopath and maybe you will be able to better understand why she has done the things she did.

I agree Casey would never protect anyone but herself....if she had something to tell about "drug dealers" or anyone else she would have and got into witiness protection .
She cares for nothing and no one but Casey.
Also since Caylee is dead if someone else did it and she knows.....there is no reason to be quiet about it now.
Also if indeed some really bad people are responsible and they knew Casey had some evidence of such they would have seen to it that she did not live to tell about it.

It is so easy to come up with scenerios about others killing Caylee.
they have already suggested Amy, Jessie,TonE, Cindy and George.
And oh I forgot the Nanny.
Heck why not add aliens to the list......
I think some throw out "stuff" hoping something will stick.
Just because "someone" dreams up stories about this case there has to be some kind of evidence that could have happened.
Why not say the "Devil" did it.
Come to think of it that might fly because Casey is the devil incarnate.

[Barbara fl.]

She absolutely didn't want to give it up, but there are no nefarious drug dealers in this at all. She killed Caylee because she just plain got in the way of her new life she wanted with TonE. Simply that and no more. When you try and bring in some drug dealers, you are playing right into the Def. story. It wasn't her fault. Well it WAS her fault and being a cold sociopath, she killed her, got her out of the way and went back to TonE's to eat, drink, party and be merry.

And I believe she planned all along to blame it on the invisible nanny when Caylee never came back home to Cindy. MOO

Yes...and IF Cindy hadn't called 911, we probably still wouldn't know about Caylee...they would have all swept it under the carpet (so to speak).....

[desmom]

Right...and also, she couldn't tell them where the body was because she knew that the tape covered her air supply so there goes accidental death...

I also believe Casey would not tell for fear forensics would be able to determine how Caylee died.

Hmmm, it seems like I remember Casey liked the CSI type shows. On the shows, only bodies that had been buried for years were nothing but bones and those forensic guys always found clues in the soft tissue.

I think Casey was surprised when Caylee's body began the decomp process in the trunk of her car....Casey had to be confused because it sure didn't happen that way in the tv shows.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I agree Casey would never protect anyone but herself....if she had something to tell about "drug dealers" or anyone else she would have and got into witiness protection .
She cares for nothing and no one but Casey.
Also since Caylee is dead if someone else did it and she knows.....there is no reason to be quiet about it now.
Also if indeed some really bad people are responsible and they knew Casey had some evidence of such they would have seen to it that she did not live to tell about it.

It is so easy to come up with scenerios about others killing Caylee.
they have already suggested Amy, Jessie,TonE, Cindy and George.
And oh I forgot the Nanny.
Heck why not add aliens to the list......
I think some throw out "stuff" hoping something will stick.
Just because "someone" dreams up stories about this case there has to be some kind of evidence that could have happened.
Why not say the "Devil" did it.
Come to think of it that might fly because Casey is the devil incarnate.


I'll say this much...If all of us on this board have not been able to come up with a reasonable "RESONABLE" alternate scenerio that might have taken place instead of Casey being the murderer....then neither can the defense...Every single scenerio has been discussed on here and it still, has always, been that Casey is the murderer...The defense will probably throw all kinds of scenerios out there to the jury, but just like none of them washed here, they wont wash with the juror's....

Casey murdered Caylee........

The defense has a LOND losing battle ahead of them....

[Barbara fl.]

I also believe Casey would not tell for fear forensics would be able to determine how Caylee died.

Hmmm, it seems like I remember Casey liked the CSI type shows. On the shows, only bodies that had been buried for years were nothing but bones and those forensic guys always found clues in the soft tissue.

I think Casey was surprised when Caylee's body began the decomp process in the trunk of her car....Casey had to be confused because it sure didn't happen that way in the tv shows.

jmo


Exactly...she didn't count on that happening...and even then she tried to cover the odor up with garbage bags, opening her windows, making excuses....but nothing worked....

I also believe that Cindy also tried to get rid of the odor....but it wasn't going anywhere....

[Rapunzel]

Yes...and IF Cindy hadn't called 911, we probably still wouldn't know about Caylee...they would have all swept it under the carpet (so to speak).....

Knowing KC and how she got through life...just flying by the seat of her pants...she was just trying to stay away from home and any questions pertaining to Caylee...she just thought she would field questions from friends about where Caylee was with a cavalier attitude of she's with the nanny crap and no one would be the wiser

...KC never thought about a week down the road...let alone month's or years...Just stay away from home and everything would be fine...if she could do that...no one would be the wiser...having said that...I bet Cindy regrets having made those 911 calls...if Cindy would have thought ahead before making those calls...and realized that Caylee was dead from the get go...those calls would have never been placed and if anyone asked where Caylee was in the future, such as family or friends...the whole freakin family would have made up some cockamamie story about her being with the father or off training in gymnastics in Russia or something.

[ish]

The few people who asked were told that Caylee was a) with the nanny or b) with Casey's parents. No reason for kids their age to question further. Even Cindy appeared to accept it and didn't follow up. I have no clue why she said that to Annie. IMO Lee knows exactly what happend to Caylee, hence the immunity.

All JMO

I don't think she had any intentions of telling Annie anything, she was using Annie as a buffer to keep her parents from questiong her and to amuse herself, I don't think CAsey has told anyone anything about what really happened to Caylee. She lets them talk to her and she nods and makes non commital statements just like she did in jail visitations with Lee, all that mumbo jumbo, back and forth, when you really listen to what they said to each other it was a lot of nothing. She let Lee think he was on the right path and thru in a few curves and twists, by his next visit he pretty much told her nothing she had told him was panning out and right after that she cut off visits with him. She will take what happened to Caylee and why to the grave (sooner rather than later I hope)

[Barbara fl.]

She was facing a few years instead she chooses death? Millions of women are told there beautiful and are spoiled rotten look at Paris Hilton but she is not a monster. I think she would rather die than risk here entire family being wiped out.


My Bold. I think she was entertaining the idea of taking her whole family out...at least George, Cindy, and Caylee.

Good thing you're not gonna be on the Jury. You'd probably go for any theory that raises reasonable doubt. Drug gangs running hotdog stands, kidnappers, imposters, protecting people. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

BTW, I watched Cindy's depo yesterday. I got mezmerized watching her chew her cud. It appeared to me she really didn't have any gum in her mouth. She was constantly swigging water yet managed to keep gum in her mouth? I don't think so. Must be just a nervous habit.


Have you ever heard "Jane Weintraub" talk on a case? It seems that some lawyers (more than some) think that they can throw any rediculous theory out there and play on peoples intelligence....they depend on finding that one weak juror that will give it a thought....I believe that they themselves have heard so many crazy excuses that they start to believe them....I believe that they lose their own reasoning capacity along the way....

It's like some psychiatrists....they start to act unballanced themselves after awhile...Like some school teachers, they tend to think like the age they are teaching...Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking these professions, I am merely saying that when some people are constantly around a certain group of peple they tend to react in different ways then other people would....

I once worked for a bookkeeping company many years ago and the boss' wife was a retired 6th grade teacher...she would put our names on a big sheet of paper with a gold star on it if we had done our job correct..if someone made a mistake she would make them punch out for 15 minutes and then punch back in.....(needless to say I got out of there real quick)

I bet this defense is going to throw the most rediculous theory out there and they will believe that they can make it work....

[Barbara fl.]

Knowing KC and how she got through life...just flying by the seat of her pants...she was just trying to stay away from home and any questions pertaining to Caylee...she just thought she would field questions from friends about where Caylee was with a cavalier attitude of she's with the nanny crap and no one would be the wiser

...KC never thought about a week down the road...let alone month's or years...Just stay away from home and everything would be fine...if she could do that...no one would be the wiser...having said that...I bet Cindy regrets having made those 911 calls...if Cindy would have thought ahead before making those calls...and realized that Caylee was dead from the get go...those calls would have never been placed and if anyone asked where Caylee was in the future, such as family or friends...the whole freakin family would have made up some cockamamie story about her being with the father or off training in gymnastics in Russia or something.


Exactly...I agree with you 100%

[Neffy]

[QUOTE=calalily;13468653]


Have you ever heard "Jane Weintraub" talk on a case? It seems that some lawyers (more than some) think that they can throw any rediculous theory out there and play on peoples intelligence....they depend on finding that one weak juror that will give it a thought....I believe that they themselves have heard so many crazy excuses that they start to believe them....I believe that they lose their own reasoning capacity along the way....

It's like some psychiatrists....they start to act unballanced themselves after awhile...Like some school teachers, they tend to think like the age they are teaching...Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking these professions, I am merely saying that when some people are constantly around a certain group of peple they tend to react in different ways then other people would....

I once worked for a bookkeeping company many years ago and the boss' wife was a retired 6th grade teacher...she would put our names on a big sheet of paper with a gold star on it if we had done our job correct..if someone made a mistake she would make them punch out for 15 minutes and then punch back in.....(needless to say I got out of there real quick)

I bet this defense is going to throw the most rediculous theory out there and they will believe that they can make it work....

Bolding to address.

This is exactly their strategy. It's a game. Baez wants a WIN notch in his belt. He's has a lying client who catapulted his name out there because of her and her family's bizarre behavior. It's amazing how many names in the legal and medical community he was able to pick up on the way who want to take this ride. Curious to see how many will actually make it to the stand. In the end I believe whatever they say will have no actual bearing on the case accept to say yea I read it and if you throw all the facts of the case out I'll give you two scenerios. Just remember , leave out the known facts.

[ish]

Get stolen with no gas? She was driving all over the place, there was a quarry right behind her house. She decides to drive all over Orlando and then leave it in plain sight so it gets towed?

She was driving all over her neighborhood when her parents thought she was in Tampa, they could have spotted her on the road any day of the week! Having her car run out of gas there was not unusual, that was the area she hung around in. Casey wasn't all that smart or shrewd, she was just a liar and a thief who ended up killing her daughter. The people she hung around smoked some pot and maybe took some pills, but they were full time students and they all worked, LE has found no evidence to suggest drug dealers were in any way involved and if Baez knew anything like that he'd have it all over TV.
You have an interesting theory but I haven't seen any evidence to back it up.

[Julie Dupree]

Exactly!

Casey flies by the seat of her pants with an out of sight out of mind mentality. She has never been held responsible for her mis-deeds in the past and thinks she is going to walk away from this one.

Are we being used as a sounding board for the defense strategy? If that is the case, the defense team needs to go back to the drawing board. There is no evidence Casey has ever been involved with a drug gang.

jmo

I think you may be on to something desmom.
Maybe she is trying to tell us something by the song she left for us..."Mind Games"
But she did get the conversation going. And if she is using us as sounding board, :) now she and they know what we think of the drug dealer idea.

[Barbara fl.]

Get stolen with no gas? She was driving all over the place, there was a quarry right behind her house. She decides to drive all over Orlando and then leave it in plain sight so it gets towed?

Maybe not get stolen, but she didn't expect it to get towed away either...I think she had all intentions of going back for it but when she did it was too late....


Keep in mind that Florida has no public transportation...a persons car is their life in florida...you can go no where without it...she would have had to stay put until a friend of hers could take her around, and all her friends worked, so that would have cramped her style...

I believe she was going back for the car but it was gone when she did....JMO

[Rapunzel]

Maybe not get stolen, but she didn't expect it to get towed away either...I think she had all intentions of going back for it but when she did it was too late....


Keep in mind that Florida has no public transportation...a persons car is their life in florida...you can go no where without it...she would have had to stay put until a friend of hers could take her around, and all her friends worked, so that would have cramped her style...

I believe she was going back for the car but it was gone when she did....JMO



ITA...this is what I have always thought...that car was her lifeline...she had no intention of just dumping it...I think she had plans to get some gas and retrieve it...just to late...I also think she thought if she left it for a few days the smell would go away...I don't think she realized that decomp. smell can stay forever if not cleaned properly.

I hope that car is sealed and when this comes to trial...take the jurors and let them smell it too!!!

[happygert]

I think you may be on to something desmom.
Maybe she is trying to tell us something by the song she left for us..."Mind Games"
But she did get the conversation going. And if she is using us as sounding board, :) now she and they know what we think of the drug dealer idea.

Exactly! Just like the lie that the nanny did it.. how stupid does casey cindy, george, lee and the defense team think we are? no J O B no sitter let alone a nanny..so there blows that idea also.. the only thing that I will buy is casey killed her baby period..

[Barbara fl.]

ITA...this is what I have always thought...that car was her lifeline...she had no intention of just dumping it...I think she had plans to get some gas and retrieve it...just to late...I also think she thought if she left it for a few days the smell would go away...I don't think she realized that decomp. smell can stay forever if not cleaned properly.

I hope that car is sealed and when this comes to trial...take the jurors and let them smell it too!!!

Oh, the smell will still be there....it's not going away till cleaned...it's already embedded in the carpet of that trunk...and with the trunk closed it will stay....

[happygert]

ITA...this is what I have always thought...that car was her lifeline...she had no intention of just dumping it...I think she had plans to get some gas and retrieve it...just to late...I also think she thought if she left it for a few days the smell would go away...I don't think she realized that decomp. smell can stay forever if not cleaned properly.

I hope that car is sealed and when this comes to trial...take the jurors and let them smell it too!!!

I hope they take the car to courthouse just like they did with the king car...Decomp in a car will more then likely stay for ever if smell gets into the metal it does not go away..

[ish]

[QUOTE=calalily;13468653]


Have you ever heard "Jane Weintraub" talk on a case? It seems that some lawyers (more than some) think that they can throw any rediculous theory out there and play on peoples intelligence....they depend on finding that one weak juror that will give it a thought....I believe that they themselves have heard so many crazy excuses that they start to believe them....I believe that they lose their own reasoning capacity along the way....

It's like some psychiatrists....they start to act unballanced themselves after awhile...Like some school teachers, they tend to think like the age they are teaching...Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking these professions, I am merely saying that when some people are constantly around a certain group of peple they tend to react in different ways then other people would....

I once worked for a bookkeeping company many years ago and the boss' wife was a retired 6th grade teacher...she would put our names on a big sheet of paper with a gold star on it if we had done our job correct..if someone made a mistake she would make them punch out for 15 minutes and then punch back in.....(needless to say I got out of there real quick)

I bet this defense is going to throw the most rediculous theory out there and they will believe that they can make it work....

AH, Jane Weintraub! Do you think she has any kids? It must be heaven to be her child, Oh no mom, I know I was the only one here but I didn't spill that soda all over the new carpet. Of course you didn't honey, one of the neighborhood kids must have snuck in and done it to make you look guilty, just cause you got a better grade on the science exam. She makes me puke.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I missed all last night on here and all the good post so maybe I can read some today. This fibromyalgia is killing me and nothing I can do about it.sorry o/t I sure hope we have something on this case this week. I get upset because we or not having a tiral anytime soon but hey casey is in jail and that is fine with me. I just want her to stand trial and I want Justice for CAYLEE and like all ot you I will not rest until that happens. have a wonderful day everyone.love your all.jmho:wub:

[Neffy]

Exactly!

Casey flies by the seat of her pants with an out of sight out of mind mentality. She has never been held responsible for her mis-deeds in the past and thinks she is going to walk away from this one.

Are we being used as a sounding board for the defense strategy? If that is the case, the defense team needs to go back to the drawing board. There is no evidence Casey has ever been involved with a drug gang.

jmo


We are being used allright. It's always the same. No facts, made up scenerios and for what purpose is beyond me. Its probably asking to much to wait until her "book" comes out to hear about her life and times as it never has bearing on the cases and is a stretch to think there is any reality to it at all.

[Barbara fl.]

[QUOTE=Barbara fl.;13468775]

Bolding to address.

This is exactly their strategy. It's a game. Baez wants a WIN notch in his belt. He's has a lying client who catapulted his name out there because of her and her family's bizarre behavior. It's amazing how many names in the legal and medical community he was able to pick up on the way who want to take this ride. Curious to see how many will actually make it to the stand. In the end I believe whatever they say will have no actual bearing on the case accept to say yea I read it and if you throw all the facts of the case out I'll give you two scenerios. Just remember , leave out the known facts.

It's a game to most of them...they crave challenges...they are not doing this for the money but rather for the challenge and the publicity associated to this case....

And it will be a challenge, that's for sure....but the publicity they receive might not be the publicity that they are expecting....

[happygert]

Oh, the smell will still be there....it's not going away till cleaned...it's already embedded in the carpet of that trunk...and with the trunk closed it will stay....

The smell will stay.. after hearing it will probably be junked.... but then again as money hungry as cindy is she'll probably try to sell it..

[martha]

[QUOTE=Barbara fl.;13468775]

AH, Jane Weintraub! Do you think she has any kids? It must be heaven to be her child, Oh no mom, I know I was the only one here but I didn't spill that soda all over the new carpet. Of course you didn't honey, one of the neighborhood kids must have snuck in and done it to make you look guilty, just cause you got a better grade on the science exam. She makes me puke.
ITA with you I sure wish they would never have her on any of the tv shows. she is awful and makes no sense to me. maybe it is just me being so dumb but she really gets on my last nerve.jmho:wub:

[Julie Dupree]

Exactly! Just like the lie that the nanny did it.. how stupid does casey cindy, george, lee and the defense team think we are? no J O B no sitter let alone a nanny..so there blows that idea also.. the only thing that I will buy is casey killed her baby period..

I think the state will present their case pretty much along those lines...31 days without reporting, no traceable means of determining if such a person as ZFG even exist, no job which would necessitate a baby sitter/nanny, and a zillion other lies that hindered the investigation to find Caylee. This doesn't even to begin to take into consideration all the forensic evidence that we know they have, and I don't think we know about all of that.

I don't think the defense will be able to dream up enough of a story to turn these facts into anything that will allow anyone any reasonable doubt.

[Julie Dupree]

The smell will stay.. after hearing it will probably be junked.... but then again as money hungry as cindy is she'll probably try to sell it..


:) watch for it on eBay

[Barbara fl.]

The smell will stay.. after hearing it will probably be junked.... but then again as money hungry as cindy is she'll probably try to sell it..


:laugh: You're probably right....and she just might find some sicko that will buy it....

[happygert]

Good morning everyone, I missed all last night on here and all the good post so maybe I can read some today. This fibromyalgia is killing me and nothing I can do about it.sorry o/t I sure hope we have something on this case this week. I get upset because we or not having a tiral anytime soon but hey casey is in jail and that is fine with me. I just want her to stand trial and I want Justice for CAYLEE and like all ot you I will not rest until that happens. have a wonderful day everyone.love your all.jmho:wub:

Good Morning Martha, sorry to hear that hope you get some relief soon.

Hope this week we get the trial date for casey fraud case. That would be great news.. I sure hope its before Thanksgiving.. That would give Amy something to be really Thankfull for.. then I hope they ship her to the big until her murder trial.... I know its probably just a dream .. but hey I can dream.. LOL..

[happygert]

:laugh: You're probably right....and she just might find some sicko that will buy it....

Probably be put on ebay right along with other things of casey's...yeah no doubt someone probably will..

[Neffy]

[QUOTE=Neffy;13468787]

It's a game to most of them...they crave challenges...they are not doing this for the money but rather for the challenge and the publicity associated to this case....

And it will be a challenge, that's for sure....but the publicity they receive might not be the publicity that they are expecting....

It's pretty disheartening that a defense can be such a lucrative business either monetary or publicity wise. You can see a publicity hound a mile away and this ones up close and personal. Where's Linda Kenney Baden been? I think there are too many big heads on this defense team that they'll all make it to the end on speaking terms.

edited to add I messed up the quotes, sorry Barb, to lazy to fix this am :)

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning everyone, I missed all last night on here and all the good post so maybe I can read some today. This fibromyalgia is killing me and nothing I can do about it.sorry o/t I sure hope we have something on this case this week. I get upset because we or not having a tiral anytime soon but hey casey is in jail and that is fine with me. I just want her to stand trial and I want Justice for CAYLEE and like all ot you I will not rest until that happens. have a wonderful day everyone.love your all.jmho:wub:

Sending special angel light hugs to one very special lady in Corinth, MS:wub:
Hope you feel better today Ms Martha.
We miss you when you are not feeling well enough to join us.
Julie

[Barbara fl.]

[QUOTE=ish;13468836]
ITA with you I sure wish they would never have her on any of the tv shows. she is awful and makes no sense to me. maybe it is just me being so dumb but she really gets on my last nerve.jmho:wub:


I agree...my pressure goes up everytime she opens her mouth....I think there is only one lawyer that has topped her, I don't recall her name but she handled the case with the neighbors dog killed a young lady...

I only saw her in action that one time but it was enough for me to lable her a kook.....:blink:

[Julie Dupree]

:laugh: You're probably right....and she just might find some sicko that will buy it....


If someone paid $500 for a copy of Casey year book, wonder what they could get for the car?

[happygert]

I think the state will present their case pretty much along those lines...31 days without reporting, no traceable means of determining if such a person as ZFG even exist, no job which would necessitate a baby sitter/nanny, and a zillion other lies that hindered the investigation to find Caylee. This doesn't even to begin to take into consideration all the forensic evidence that we know they have, and I don't think we know about all of that.

I don't think the defense will be able to dream up enough of a story to turn these facts into anything that will allow anyone any reasonable doubt.

ITA!... I still think there is some kind of evidence from casey on that duct tape if not fingerprints then something.. I still think casey's prints are there.. Also the maggot evidence showing Caylee dna in them..and lets not forget about the wax...

The defense couldn't go to the moon to get a jury that would not convict her..

[Barbara fl.]

If someone paid $500 for a copy of Casey year book, wonder what they could get for the car?



I wish LE would park it in front of the jail cell for Casey to look out and see....of course with a sign on it saying "out of gas", "back never"....

[desmom]

IMO, Casey had every intentions of getting her car, but waited too long this time and it was towed. IIRC, she also ran her car out of gas on Friday, June 20th (parked on a residential side street), and didn't go back to get it until June 23rd (when she and Tony broke into the shed and stole the gas cans).

I agree. I think Casey had every intention of going back for the car just as soon as she could figure out how to get it without anyone getting close to the car.

Casey's gas stories confused me for a long time. I have finally decided Casey's "2 Fridays in a row" is just another Caseyland story.

June 20 Brian Burner said he saw Casey's car backed into the garage and the Hot Body Contest at Fusians, Casey charged $60 worth of drinks to Tone's account, Tone's roommate and Maria Kissh were with them at Fusians.

June 23rd is the day Casey ran out of gas near her home and they broke into the shed for the gas cans.

June 27th is the day Tone picked up Casey at Amscot because she ran out of gas again.

jmo

[Neffy]

ITA!... I still think there is some kind of evidence from casey on that duct tape if not fingerprints then something.. I still think casey's prints are there.. Also the maggot evidence showing Caylee dna in them..and lets not forget about the wax...

The defense couldn't go to the moon to get a jury that would not convict her..

I hope that common sense will prevail.

[happygert]

[QUOTE=Barbara fl.;13468775]

AH, Jane Weintraub! Do you think she has any kids? It must be heaven to be her child, Oh no mom, I know I was the only one here but I didn't spill that soda all over the new carpet. Of course you didn't honey, one of the neighborhood kids must have snuck in and done it to make you look guilty, just cause you got a better grade on the science exam. She makes me puke.

LOL she's sickening.. and to think yet another attorney from Fl.. must be something in the water down there to make all these lawyers seem like they are a little off balanced..IIRC think she does have a couple. seem to remember something about the hurricane hitting her house a few years back. and think she said everyone was ok...

[Julie Dupree]

ITA!... I still think there is some kind of evidence from casey on that duct tape if not fingerprints then something.. I still think casey's prints are there.. Also the maggot evidence showing Caylee dna in them..and lets not forget about the wax...

The defense couldn't go to the moon to get a jury that would not convict her..

I absolutely 100% totally agree with you on this gert.

[Lavinia]

She absolutely didn't want to give it up, but there are no nefarious drug dealers in this at all. She killed Caylee because she just plain got in the way of her new life she wanted with TonE. Simply that and no more. When you try and bring in some drug dealers, you are playing right into the Def. story. It wasn't her fault. Well it WAS her fault and being a cold sociopath, she killed her, got her out of the way and went back to TonE's to eat, drink, party and be merry.

And I believe she planned all along to blame it on the invisible nanny when Caylee never came back home to Cindy. MOO

I so completely agree with a no drug dealers scenario. If *anything* Casey was an infrequent, occasional recreation user of relatively mild drugs. When I was young, I was around a lot of druggies. If they got busted, there would be NO DOUBT of their involvement. There was all kinds of paraphernalia that would be found, phone numbers GALORE, gossip, unexplained large amounts of money, odd purchases, cars at the house at any and all times and if she didn't work from the house, it would be well known where she did work from. It's like saying Casey was a major importer of stolen luxury cars. There is no proof, no peripheral players showing up on radar, no phone numbers to tie to buyers, and no cars, etc.

Not to mention, in a case like this, a fellow drug dealer would have rolled on Casey a LOOOOONG time ago as a favor to LE. Drug dealers and LE work in cahoots much more than you would think. This kind of info told to LE would net the drug dealer a bit of a favor sometime when needed.

[Lavinia]

I've been sick as a dog the last couple of days, but I asked a question I think Fri. and I didn't get to stick around and see if it was answered. If Judge Rodriguez thinks that M&M can just get the answers that C&G refused to give during their depos from the FBI reports, how can that stand up? The statements they gave the FBI weren't sworn were they? How they they use unsworn statements toward a sworn depo? :confused:

[Neffy]

I've been sick as a dog the last couple of days, but I asked a question I think Fri. and I didn't get to stick around and see if it was answered. If Judge Rodriguez thinks that M&M can just get the answers that C&G refused to give during their depos from the FBI reports, how can that stand up? The statements they gave the FBI weren't sworn were they? How they they use unsworn statements toward a sworn depo? :confused:

Hope your feeling better!!

:blink: They sure were sworn statements :)
Didn't Cindy throw a little tirade at the end that she "didn't know" what she relayed was going to be sworn too?

[Postergeist]

Good morning everyone, I missed all last night on here and all the good post so maybe I can read some today. This fibromyalgia is killing me and nothing I can do about it.sorry o/t I sure hope we have something on this case this week. I get upset because we or not having a tiral anytime soon but hey casey is in jail and that is fine with me. I just want her to stand trial and I want Justice for CAYLEE and like all ot you I will not rest until that happens. have a wonderful day everyone.love your all.jmho:wub:

Mornin' Miss Martha- I too missed all of yesterday's posts and just got done with that thread- wanted to say don't bother honey, noticed that this morning's thread start was just a continuation of that.

However, it was Cury or Rapunzel, well sorry, forgot who- that did post a good link for M&M in the ZG case, more motions.

I think I'm starting to get a little mini crush on Mitnik, and I'm also thanking my lucky stars and praying to the Lord that I don't ever get the swine flu, I value my brain cells too much to want them mushy from some bad virus out there

Sorry to hear about the fibro :sad:

eventually there will be some justice for Caylee, it is just a long way off for now.

[Barbara fl.]

Well if I don't get dinner started no one will be eating today...

Back a little later....


(hold all those thoughts till I get back :laugh:)

[Julie Dupree]

I've been sick as a dog the last couple of days, but I asked a question I think Fri. and I didn't get to stick around and see if it was answered. If Judge Rodriguez thinks that M&M can just get the answers that C&G refused to give during their depos from the FBI reports, how can that stand up? The statements they gave the FBI weren't sworn were they? How they they use unsworn statements toward a sworn depo? :confused:


Hope you are feeling better Lavina.
I did not see your question, but wondered the same thing. Will be interested to see the reply to this question.
IIRC the questions they refused to answer had something to do with stolen checks, money, credit cards. I wonder if BC thought it may be tied someway in the check/fraud case?

[farrahrani]

Yes the fact that dealers all rat on each other is something I overlooked, and a good point.

As far as the car being out of gas, we don't KNOW the car was out of gas, and the gas gauge was shown to be functioning properly. I'll tell you on my own experience, with my car, when I fill the tank it goes OVER full mark. And when I drive, it will still run till the gauge shows 'empty' and continue to run till the arrow is actually under the empty mark. So Casey's car might have been on empty, but still have gas in it. We just don't know.

We only DO know that it was parked near a dumpster to hide the smell, and a purse left in the front seat, to attract someone to search the car? Get their fingerprints on it? She didn't count on the smell alone being enough to deter potential thieves, better than any car alarm, or LoJack.

And the bit about telling Annie something later? Ha.

If you look up interviews with Selena's murderer, the woman that used to work in one of her boutiques, she still swears she never killed Selena but other people were involved. VH-1 did an interview with her and she said there were clues and evidence in a safe deposit box, gave them the name of the bank and said it would explain everything. The station investigated many branches of the bank and could find no evidence of said box. The woman lived in a fantasy world where she didn't kill her boss because Selena fired her for stealing money from her shop, and was not responsible for the shooting that took place after she called Selena to the hotel.

I know, almost OT, but it goes to show how far people will drag out their lies. I do not believe Casey will EVER confess her crime and will take it to the grave just like the other murderer. She lives in the same fantasy world of denial and "innocence", and hopes that someday someone will believe her ridiculous lies.

[Neffy]

Mornin' Miss Martha- I too missed all of yesterday's posts and just got done with that thread- wanted to say don't bother honey, noticed that this morning's thread start was just a continuation of that.

However, it was Cury or Rapunzel, well sorry, forgot who- that did post a good link for M&M in the ZG case, more motions.

I think I'm starting to get a little mini crush on Mitnik, and I'm also thanking my lucky stars and praying to the Lord that I don't ever get the swine flu, I value my brain cells too much to want them mushy from some bad virus out there

Sorry to hear about the fibro :sad:

eventually there will be some justice for Caylee, it is just a long way off for now.

Well the culprit is in jail and even though there's no actual verdict of guilty, when it comes down the Anthony's will still be running amok spewing the same thing and nothing will have changed so I guess we just better get used to it.

[Lavinia]

Hope your feeling better!!

:blink: They sure were sworn statements :)
Didn't Cindy throw a little tirade at the end that she "didn't know" what she relayed was going to be sworn too?

The FBI statements were sworn? How did the Cin-ster not know they were sworn if she didn't raise the family and swear? <snicker>

ETA: Feeling a bit better. Food poisoning? Yuck. Both ends. :eek:

[martha]

Sending special angel light hugs to one very special lady in Corinth, MS:wub:
Hope you feel better today Ms Martha.
We miss you when you are not feeling well enough to join us.
JulieThank you so very much and gert too.it is great to have friends like all you great posters. I really think casey was coming back for the car she just wanted to wait until the smell was not in the car. I know she spent a lot of time with her bf;s but what was she doing when she was not with them? Maybe going back to cindy while they were gone? I can;t see casey staying away from all that junk she had in her room. I know in my heart that CAYLEE wanted to stay at the house where her things were at and I am sure she cryed to stay there which I am sure made casey mad.My grands always cryed to stay with me when they would go to leave here. I am sure if any of you have grands they want to stay with you. jmho:wub:

[Postergeist]

We are being used allright. It's always the same. No facts, made up scenerios and for what purpose is beyond me. Its probably asking to much to wait until her "book" comes out to hear about her life and times as it never has bearing on the cases and is a stretch to think there is any reality to it at all.

oh Neffy, bite your tongue!

at least I hope I'm spared from that- :rolleyes:

but, maybe y'all are right- maybe the defense has it's moles/shills here on the board, to try to get us to chase our tails, well Postie don't play that.

I haven't had to use my iggie option in a long time- but I think I will start again.

What's on the docket this week?

[Neffy]

The FBI statements were sworn? How did the Cin-ster not know they were sworn if she didn't raise the family and swear? <snicker>

ETA: Feeling a bit better. Food poisoning? Yuck. Both ends. :eek:

I'm guessing she gave the Lee salute while walking out. At the end of the statement I do recall Cindy's tirade, that she didn't know she had to swear that everything she was telling them was the truth.
What a piece of work.

[Lavinia]

Good morning everyone, I missed all last night on here and all the good post so maybe I can read some today. This fibromyalgia is killing me and nothing I can do about it.sorry o/t I sure hope we have something on this case this week. I get upset because we or not having a tiral anytime soon but hey casey is in jail and that is fine with me. I just want her to stand trial and I want Justice for CAYLEE and like all ot you I will not rest until that happens. have a wonderful day everyone.love your all.jmho:wub:

I hope you feel better real soon Miss Martha! You are such a valuable member of this board and we all love you! :wub:

[Lavinia]

I'm guessing she gave the Lee salute while walking out. At the end of the statement I do recall Cindy's tirade, that she didn't know she had to swear that everything she was telling them was the truth.
What a piece of work.

Piece of what? Piece of what? :confused: :laugh:

[bchand]

The FBI statements were sworn? How did the Cin-ster not know they were sworn if she didn't raise the family and swear? <snicker>

ETA: Feeling a bit better. Food poisoning? Yuck. Both ends. :eek:

I'm so sorry to hear you've been ill Lavinia. I was hoping you just were enjoying real life for a bit. Hope you feel better soon.

Is it safe to post now or are we still in fantasyland?

[Lavinia]

Hope you are feeling better Lavina.
I did not see your question, but wondered the same thing. Will be interested to see the reply to this question.
IIRC the questions they refused to answer had something to do with stolen checks, money, credit cards. I wonder if BC thought it may be tied someway in the check/fraud case?

Thanks Julie. I know one of the questions they refused to answer was what Casey ever bought to contribute to the household. I can't for the life of me figure out what kind of cloak and dagger scenario that's supposed to hide. :confused:

[Neffy]

I'm so sorry to hear you've been ill Lavinia. I was hoping you just were enjoying real life for a bit. Hope you feel better soon.

Is it safe to post now or are we still in fantasyland?

Passing the Purell :laugh: C'mon in!

[Neffy]

Thanks Julie. I know one of the questions they refused to answer was what Casey ever bought to contribute to the household. I can't for the life of me figure out what kind of cloak and dagger scenario that's supposed to hide. :confused:

Wasn't it Bags O' Stuff, according to George anyways. :rolleyes:

[Lavinia]

I'm so sorry to hear you've been ill Lavinia. I was hoping you just were enjoying real life for a bit. Hope you feel better soon.

Is it safe to post now or are we still in fantasyland?

Thanks Bet. Are you referring to another's fantasy land that I'm hearing so much about? :laugh:

[desmom]

I've been sick as a dog the last couple of days, but I asked a question I think Fri. and I didn't get to stick around and see if it was answered. If Judge Rodriguez thinks that M&M can just get the answers that C&G refused to give during their depos from the FBI reports, how can that stand up? The statements they gave the FBI weren't sworn were they? How they they use unsworn statements toward a sworn depo? :confused:


I had to go look. I didn't see the "do you swear..." on the last page of either one of their interviews with the FBI.

Then I checked out the news articles.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20809291/detail.html
Keith Mitnik, said Wednesday that the information he needs from George and Cindy Anthony can already be found in the transcripts of FBI interviews and other evidence related to Casey's murder trial.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20813959/detail.html
Gonzalez's attorneys said Wednesday they can get information they were seeking from the Anthonys from other sources, such as police reports.

From the video part 1 http://www.wftv.com/video/20819111/index.html (my transcription opinion)
4:20 on the clock:

Mr. Mitnick: We realize we can get those answers from other sources for example FBI, tapes and things.

ETA ~ Sorry you are under the weather. :sad:

[Postergeist]

I hope you feel better real soon Miss Martha! You are such a valuable member of this board and we all love you! :wub:

well we (((wub))) you too Lavinia, & sorry to hear you've been under the weather.

I didn't save the link, but someone posted the latest update on marinedave's site yest., it was pretty interesting.

[Neffy]

I had to go look. I didn't see the "do you swear..." on the last page of either one of their interviews with the FBI.

Then I checked out the news articles.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20809291/detail.html
Keith Mitnik, said Wednesday that the information he needs from George and Cindy Anthony can already be found in the transcripts of FBI interviews and other evidence related to Casey's murder trial.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20813959/detail.html
Gonzalez's attorneys said Wednesday they can get information they were seeking from the Anthonys from other sources, such as police reports.

From the video part 1 http://www.wftv.com/video/20819111/index.html (my transcription opinion)
4:20 on the clock:

Mr. Mitnick: We realize we can get those answers from other sources for example FBI, tapes and things.

ETA ~ Sorry you are under the weather. :sad:

Hmm, now I wonder if I'm thinking of LE and not FBI. What I recall is a video that Cindy threw her tirade on regarding to swearing to her statements.

[Lavinia]

Thanks to all for your good wishes. I better go right now. I'm not holding up like I thought. BBL. Love to you all. (Didn't mean to post and run.):blushing:

[Julie Dupree]

well we (((wub))) you too Lavinia, & sorry to hear you've been under the weather.

I didn't save the link, but someone posted the latest update on marinedave's site yest., it was pretty interesting.

Is this the one you were referring to Postie?

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/a-matter-of-reciprocal-discovery/

[desmom]

Hmm, now I wonder if I'm thinking of LE and not FBI. What I recall is a video that Cindy threw her tirade on regarding to swearing to her statements.

The August 4 interview? http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf From page 58:

Cindy: I didn't know this was a deposition or whatever, I thought it was

LE: It was a...

Cindy: I thought it was just a time line.

LE: it's a, it's a statement, what time is, do you have there?

Cindy: I didn't do this on um, Friday. I didn't swear to anything.

[martha]

I hope you feel better real soon Miss Martha! You are such a valuable member of this board and we all love you! :wub:
Thank you so very much and I love you all.I have had this mess many years but as I get older it gets worse. Just have to live with it and I sure hope you get to feeling better soon.I only had what you have one time in my life and I thought I was going to die so I know how bad you feel. I just have to come everyday to see if there is anything new on this case. I hope I am around to see this trial. It will be something elce. We all want so much to see justice for CAYLEE. love you honey jmho.:wub:

[Postergeist]

Is this the one you were referring to Postie?

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/a-matter-of-reciprocal-discovery/

:thumbsup: yes! great job Julie, thanks!

his site has been quite helpful over the past year

[Neffy]

The August 4 interview? http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf From page 58:

Cindy: I didn't know this was a deposition or whatever, I thought it was

LE: It was a...

Cindy: I thought it was just a time line.

LE: it's a, it's a statement, what time is, do you have there?

Cindy: I didn't do this on um, Friday. I didn't swear to anything.

FGS! That's it. It will never not become unbelievable.

[really3997]

Just curious legalmania. Who do you think killed Caylee, why and how?


Afternoon all. Cassidy did you notice once you asked this question Legal had to go. I know I live in the area but can someone tell me where the quarry is behind the house.:confused:

[Postergeist]

I see no way any jury can get away from the smell in the car but first the 31 days. If they can come up with why a mother would wait 31 days to tell anyone her baby was missing but I don;t think they have a answer to that and never will find a reason for that.no mother I know would do that.it seems like casey had no love for CAYLEE at all.none.The money has taken over c and g and maybe even lee.I think they may all pled the 5th at trial time.jmho.:wub:

<respectfully snipped>

Yes, that 31 days Martha- even tho Casey said she used "other resources" and C & G didn't seem to have a problem with this- wow, this family must really not want to involve LE when it comes to a missing child.

How many of us can recall other criminals calling 911- it's been on news bites, Jay Leno, Dumb Criminals, etc. that will call in to say- they just got ripped off of 20 bucks when trying to buy crack, or they broke into some store to rob it, but they are stuck & can't get out...

I don't think there is anything they can say, to make it sound acceptable to the jurors on those 31 days.


o/t- when my dogs ran away- as soon as I got fliers made I was at my local PD & fire station on Christmas Day to have them keep an eye out when on patrol, had to wait til after the holiday to go to my local waste mgt. to have a flier put up in the office where the trashmen pick up their trucks for their routes- time was of the essence-every eye mattered in hopes of seeing my furkids

[kjt200]

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.

You are kidding aren't you? It's not as complicated as you think it is. Casey lied....no more, no less. The only thing reason why she is afraid to tell the whole story is because she is the one who killed that poor child. I am surprised that someone with your professional background is unfamiliar with the fact that criminals lie.....

My own opinion...

[desmom]

Afternoon all. Cassidy did you notice once you asked this question Legal had to go. I know I live in the area but can someone tell me where the quarry is behind the house.:confused:

Way back in the beginning a search of one of the map sites for the A's address popped up an aerial map showing the street behind the A's as undeveloped. I think it is called Florence Harbor Drive. The street ends in a cul-de-sac near what appears to be a pond. The pond is at the SSE end of the woods where Caylee was found. jmo

[Rapunzel]

I agree. I think Casey had every intention of going back for the car just as soon as she could figure out how to get it without anyone getting close to the car.

Casey's gas stories confused me for a long time. I have finally decided Casey's "2 Fridays in a row" is just another Caseyland story.

June 20 Brian Burner said he saw Casey's car backed into the garage and the Hot Body Contest at Fusians, Casey charged $60 worth of drinks to Tone's account, Tone's roommate and Maria Kissh were with them at Fusians.

June 23rd is the day Casey ran out of gas near her home and they broke into the shed for the gas cans.

June 27th is the day Tone picked up Casey at Amscot because she ran out of gas again.

jmo

ITA...anyone with common sense would realize this is a person that has no money!!! Guess those drug cartels aren't very lucrative...:blink:

[Postergeist]

So sorry you're under the weather. :wub: Here's something to make you feel better:

Morgan's New Motion to Compel D Casey (http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf)

Morgan has figured out - and listed in great detail - how DCasey et al have been *lying* about the contracts. :lol:

The fur is going to be flying, so DUCK!!!!

TY Spots for bringing that link back up! :thumbup:

I see you did put it in the sticky thread, thanx for that as well,

so it looks like he plans to have DC get back on the stand and testify.

(so we get to hear his Native British accent again, lol)

[really3997]

Way back in the beginning a search of one of the map sites for the A's address popped up an aerial map showing the street behind the A's as undeveloped. I think it is called Florence Harbor Drive. The street ends in a cul-de-sac near what appears to be a pond. The pond is at the SSE end of the woods where Caylee was found. jmo

I guess in my mind a quarry is either a large vast of land with either stone,clay,or other usable resources. But I feel better know because there are houses there now and just that one area by the school is undeveloped. So I am not going nuts. Thanks Des

[Postergeist]

Way back in the beginning a search of one of the map sites for the A's address popped up an aerial map showing the street behind the A's as undeveloped. I think it is called Florence Harbor Drive. The street ends in a cul-de-sac near what appears to be a pond. The pond is at the SSE end of the woods where Caylee was found. jmo

Was the pond in an abandoned quarry? Quarries are for mining rock and minerals. I never noticed that before when looking at the aerial views.

[Rapunzel]

Afternoon all. Cassidy did you notice once you asked this question Legal had to go. I know I live in the area but can someone tell me where the quarry is behind the house.:confused:

such an observant person you are...:biggrin::biggrin:

[marshmallow]

I so completely agree with a no drug dealers scenario. If *anything* Casey was an infrequent, occasional recreation user of relatively mild drugs. When I was young, I was around a lot of druggies. If they got busted, there would be NO DOUBT of their involvement. There was all kinds of paraphernalia that would be found, phone numbers GALORE, gossip, unexplained large amounts of money, odd purchases, cars at the house at any and all times and if she didn't work from the house, it would be well known where she did work from. It's like saying Casey was a major importer of stolen luxury cars. There is no proof, no peripheral players showing up on radar, no phone numbers to tie to buyers, and no cars, etc.

Not to mention, in a case like this, a fellow drug dealer would have rolled on Casey a LOOOOONG time ago as a favor to LE. Drug dealers and LE work in cahoots much more than you would think. This kind of info told to LE would net the drug dealer a bit of a favor sometime when needed.



if Casey was into dealing or ferrying drugs she wouldn't have needed to steal loose change from her daughter's piggy bank or steal from her grandparents and parents again and again. Her basic expenses were covered by Cindy and George: food, shelter, Caylee expenses, etc. Her other needs were gas when the 'rents refused, make-up, clothes, things to impress her man-o-the-month from Target. She would've had better cash flow if she'd been carrying or dealing. Her actions cross cancel the drug dealer excuse.

[Postergeist]

I guess in my mind a quarry is either a large vast of land with either stone,clay,or other usable resources. But I feel better know because there are houses there now and just that one area by the school is undeveloped. So I am not going nuts. Thanks Des

didn't see your post when I was posting really- you are correct about what a quarry is-

have no idea if the OP meant to use that word correctly or not. I take it with a grain of salt, IRRC, that poster said they have a fever.

but just in case any one asks for a link on quarries-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarry

[marshmallow]

oh Neffy, bite your tongue!

at least I hope I'm spared from that- :rolleyes:

but, maybe y'all are right- maybe the defense has it's moles/shills here on the board, to try to get us to chase our tails, well Postie don't play that.

I haven't had to use my iggie option in a long time- but I think I will start again.

What's on the docket this week?



I think it's more of a case of playing devil's advocate. I think she's making us think.

It's important to think of this case from all angles. I appreciate the questions asked. They make me really think out the whole story and give me a grasp of what the defense might ask.

[really3997]

didn't see your post when I was posting really- you are correct about what a quarry is-

have no idea if the OP meant to use that word correctly or not. I take it with a grain of salt, IRRC, that poster said they have a fever.

but just in case any one asks for a link on quarries-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarry

Maybe thats the issue. I don't remember Legal being so one sided. Thanks I didn't think I was crazy

[desmom]

Was the pond in an abandoned quarry? Quarries are for mining rock and minerals. I never noticed that before when looking at the aerial views.

IMO, it would have been a pretty small quarry.

[Imperfect4]

We are being used allright. It's always the same. No facts, made up scenerios and for what purpose is beyond me. Its probably asking to much to wait until her "book" comes out to hear about her life and times as it never has bearing on the cases and is a stretch to think there is any reality to it at all.

Bolded to address. Imo, for attention.

Most come here to discuss, chat, exchange theories, keep up with the case. Others come here to perform. Some come simply to draw attention to themselves by whatever means possible.

[Imperfect4]

The FBI statements were sworn? How did the Cin-ster not know they were sworn if she didn't raise the family and swear? <snicker>

ETA: Feeling a bit better. Food poisoning? Yuck. Both ends. :eek:

OMG you poor thing! ((( Lavinia ))). Feel better soon. :wub:

You, too, Miss Martha. Sorry to hear about your fibro flareup. :sad:

[Neffy]

I think it's more of a case of playing devil's advocate. I think she's making us think.

It's important to think of this case from all angles. I appreciate the questions asked. They make me really think out the whole story and give me a grasp of what the defense might ask.

Throw away the facts and come up with something that has to do with the price of rice in China? Bad enough we have the invisible Nanny to contend with but unfortunately that's a fact of the case. Now invisible drug dealers?

[Imperfect4]

You are kidding aren't you? It's not as complicated as you think it is. Casey lied....no more, no less. The only thing reason why she is afraid to tell the whole story is because she is the one who killed that poor child. I am surprised that someone with your professional background is unfamiliar with the fact that criminals lie.....

My own opinion...

..... :biggrinjester: .....

[Julie Dupree]

Afternoon all. Cassidy did you notice once you asked this question Legal had to go. I know I live in the area but can someone tell me where the quarry is behind the house.:confused:

Oh Really! I think she means that big hole beside Zany's house, you know the one beside the fence that you can see around the corner just past the green house.:)

[Deannalynn]

While I have time alone I'm going to start off where I left off last night. Is it possible that Casey Anthony got involved with a sophisticated drug gang that in some way caused the accidental death of Caylee. This is just one of many stories that I was talking about last night.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-orlando-westside-gang-bust-080209,0,6598571.story

Bolding mine...

Morning.
I started here and read to date. Drug dealers, kidnapping stories, Hot dog businesses, picking up killers, real mystery babysitters, sophisticated drug gang, quarry's behind houses.

No pimps?:confused:

Will someone direct me to the Casey Anthony thread.:lol:

[Imperfect4]

Was the pond in an abandoned quarry? Quarries are for mining rock and minerals. I never noticed that before when looking at the aerial views.

Perhaps someone's watched one too many Flintstones cartoons? :shrug:

[Neffy]

Now that I'm thinking about it I find the nonsense posted so aggravating because this is a real life person doing it that just MAY end up on a jury. Making up their own scenerio of something NOT PRESENTED who will aquit a murderer for no other reason as they were given a little power in a life and they run with it.

[Imperfect4]

I think it's more of a case of playing devil's advocate. I think she's making us think.

It's important to think of this case from all angles. I appreciate the questions asked. They make me really think out the whole story and give me a grasp of what the defense might ask.

They make you think? Seriously? :confused:

[Imperfect4]

Now that I'm thinking about it I find the nonsense posted so aggravating because this is a real life person doing it that just MAY end up on a jury. Making up their own scenerio of something NOT PRESENTED who will aquit a murderer for no other reason as they were given a little power in a life and they run with it.

Get outta my head, Nef.

[Barbara fl.]

Now that I'm thinking about it I find the nonsense posted so aggravating because this is a real life person doing it that just MAY end up on a jury. Making up their own scenerio of something NOT PRESENTED who will aquit a murderer for no other reason as they were given a little power in a life and they run with it.


That can be scary......It happened at the first PS trial....

[really3997]

Bolding mine...

Morning.
I started here and read to date. Drug dealers, kidnapping stories, Hot dog businesses, picking up killers, real mystery babysitters, sophisticated drug gang, quarry's behind houses.

No pimps?:confused:

Will someone direct me to the Casey Anthony thread.:lol:

You don't want to be on the Soprano in Bedrock thread:tonguewag:

[Barbara fl.]

They make you think? Seriously? :confused:




NOT.....:thumbdown:

[norwood]

Hi eveyone. Been trying to keep up while in the middle of a move.

I have now listened to the recording from Padilla and his associates. How telling they are as to just how consumed Casey is with herself and her total lack of emotion for anyone else. Those recordings, if played in court to the jury, should be as damning as the recordings of SP talking to AF.

No matter what wild theory her defence team throws out to the jury you can't get past a mountain of forensics and those recordings.

And now, I am loving that the Pros is asking for the defence evidence. Going to be really hard to produce something that does not exist.

Have to get back to my boxes that await unpacking but will be reading the board every day.

Take care all

[bchand]

NOT.....:thumbdown:

It made me think - about not posting as long as the nonsense was being spewed.

[Barbara fl.]

It made me think - about not posting as long as the nonsense was being spewed.


It did get a little rediculous, didn't it?

[bchand]

Hi eveyone. Been trying to keep up while in the middle of a move.

I have now listened to the recording from Padilla and his associates. How telling they are as to just how consumed Casey is with herself and her total lack of emotion for anyone else. Those recordings, if played in court to the jury, should be as damning as the recordings of SP talking to AF.

No matter what wild theory her defence team throws out to the jury you can't get past a mountain of forensics and those recordings.

And now, I am loving that the Pros is asking for the defence evidence. Going to be really hard to produce something that does not exist.

Have to get back to my boxes that await unpacking but will be reading the board every day.

Take care all


Hi norwood - my hubby has said from (excuse me all) day 1 that this case will not go to trial. I always disagreed.

I believe the defense wants it to go to trial for the publicity.

When more and more of this info comes out, I wonder why they would go forward.

[Barbara fl.]

Hi norwood - my hubby has said from (excuse me all) day 1 that this case will not go to trial. I always disagreed.

I believe the defense wants it to go to trial for the publicity.

When more and more of this info comes out, I wonder why they would go forward.


For the very reason that you said...."publicity".....

[Neffy]

That can be scary......It happened at the first PS trial....

It is scary! I guess we need to be thankful that one person can only cause a mistrial and allows our system a redux even though it bottlenecks our legal system not to mention a waste of our tax paying "mandatory contributions". Arrogance, annoyance and stupidity is not illegal *sigh*

[Julie Dupree]

Hi norwood - my hubby has said from (excuse me all) day 1 that this case will not go to trial. I always disagreed.

I believe the defense wants it to go to trial for the publicity.

When more and more of this info comes out, I wonder why they would go forward.


I think you can rest assured nothing will happen with this case until after January when AL's book is released.
You can not buy the publicity she will get off being involved with this trial.
If the book is a big seller, she might end soon to be free for the rounds of book signing etc.
If it is not, she may elect to take it to trial so she will have material for another one.

[norwood]

Hi norwood - my hubby has said from (excuse me all) day 1 that this case will not go to trial. I always disagreed.

I believe the defense wants it to go to trial for the publicity.

When more and more of this info comes out, I wonder why they would go forward.

HI

I think they will go to trial for more than one reason. First reason is Casey will never agree to a deal.
Second, her lawyer and buddy JB wants as much PR as possible from this and he is not smart enough to take a deal.

She should have taken a deal when offered way back before the body was found.

Now I really got to go work lol.

[Roux]

Many thanks to Spots for posting new Morgan motions on links thread. So glad to see DC & his atty called out. I just hope Judge R doesn't completely toss everything because his ego won't let him admit he might have been wrong. I voted twice on that site and give him an F!

[Neffy]

Hi eveyone. Been trying to keep up while in the middle of a move.

I have now listened to the recording from Padilla and his associates. How telling they are as to just how consumed Casey is with herself and her total lack of emotion for anyone else. Those recordings, if played in court to the jury, should be as damning as the recordings of SP talking to AF.

No matter what wild theory her defence team throws out to the jury you can't get past a mountain of forensics and those recordings.

And now, I am loving that the Pros is asking for the defence evidence. Going to be really hard to produce something that does not exist.

Have to get back to my boxes that await unpacking but will be reading the board every day.

Take care all

Hi Norwood :seeya:

Agreed! I did find Tracy a bit annoying with all the laughing but how she relayed that everything always reverted back to being about Casey with no mention of anything being wrong in her life was stunning. Like a pencil went missing. Whats the hoopla about.

[summer]

Now that I'm thinking about it I find the nonsense posted so aggravating because this is a real life person doing it that just MAY end up on a jury. Making up their own scenerio of something NOT PRESENTED who will aquit a murderer for no other reason as they were given a little power in a life and they run with it.

Very disturbing, my entire body clenches up, which is why I'm going iggy. I'd be more upset if I thought for a moment this person was serious but I think it's one of Impf's numbered choices... whichever it is I'm out.

[summer]

HI

I think they will go to trial for more than one reason. First reason is Casey will never agree to a deal.
Second, her lawyer and buddy JB wants as much PR as possible from this and he is not smart enough to take a deal.

She should have taken a deal when offered way back before the body was found.

Now I really got to go work lol.

I don't think there was ever a deal on the table. I think it may have been implied as it probably is in most cases in the beginning but as far as a serious proffer I don't think so.

[summer]

It is scary! I guess we need to be thankful that one person can only cause a mistrial and allows our system a redux even though it bottlenecks our legal system not to mention a waste of our tax paying "mandatory contributions". Arrogance, annoyance and stupidity is not illegal *sigh*

My consolation is that if there is a stealth juror, or a truly stupid or contrary one -- the SA will retry in a New York minute. And retry and retry, rinse and repeat.

[Imperfect4]

Many thanks to Spots for posting new Morgan motions on links thread. So glad to see DC & his atty called out. I just hope Judge R doesn't completely toss everything because his ego won't let him admit he might have been wrong. I voted twice on that site and give him an F!

Judge Ego concerns me as well, Roux. I fear no matter what Mitnik does nor how right(eous) his position, Judge R, who appears not to respect those who appear before him, and who appears to be way too interested in media coverage, will continue on this path in service to his ego.

[summer]

Judge Ego concerns me as well, Roux. I fear no matter what Mitnik does nor how right(eous) his position, Judge R, who appears not to respect those who appear before him, and who appears to be way too interested in media coverage, will continue on this path in service to his ego.

Do you think M&M are just crossing their t's and dotting their i's so when Rodriguez ignores their proof and professionalism they will have grounds for appeal? I do!

[Jeepers]

Hey Everybody,

Just got back from eating lunch with the family. Had a great time! We get together every Sunday meet & eat. Hubby had some work to do so we just ate and came back home.

I wonder how Casey's Sunday lunch was. I bet it was something real special and tasty. Yum, I had some banna pudding. Do they serve pudding at OCJ? Oh well, maybe when she gets on over with the Death Row Peeps she will have a more varied selection. Boy, I hope so. She is looking kinda pale. She might not have been taking her One A Day. Do they give Vit at OCJ? oh well, maybe not. She may not be sleeping good maybe JB needs to come by more often to cheer her up. Company always cheers me up.
I wonder if Casey is worried about her upcoming event? I wonder what she will wear? Do you think she will be glad to see Amy? I know that when I have been outta town for awhile I am so glad to see my family and friends when I get back in. Do you think George and Cindy will be there? I wonder if they will be glad to see Amy? It has been a long time since they all met at the A's home and visited with Jesse and the rest of her friends.
I wonder what they will all talk about when they all see each other this time?

[summer]

Hey Everybody,

Just got back from eating lunch with the family. Had a great time! We get together every Sunday meet & eat. Hubby had some work to do so we just ate and came back home.

I wonder how Casey's Sunday lunch was. I bet it was something real special and tasty. Yum, I had some banna pudding. Do they serve pudding at OCJ? Oh well, maybe when she gets on over with the Death Row Peeps she will have a more varied selection. Boy, I hope so. She is looking kinda pale. She might not have been taking her One A Day. Do they give Vit at OCJ? oh well, maybe not. She may not be sleeping good maybe JB needs to come by more often to cheer her up. Company always cheers me up.
I wonder if Casey is worried about her upcoming event? I wonder what she will wear? Do you think she will be glad to see Amy? I know that when I have been outta town for awhile I am so glad to see my family and friends when I get back in. Do you think George and Cindy will be there? I wonder if they will be glad to see Amy? It has been a long time since they all met at the A's home and visited with Jesse and the rest of her friends.
I wonder what they will all talk about when they all see each other this time?

I suspect JB was able to get Casey on meds so she doesn't feel too much of anything. Like a strong anti-depressant. Don't know if that's allowed but they've gotten away with a heck of a lot and I wouldn't be surprised. She's probably spending her days in a Prozac haze.

[summer]

Ack, look at the time. I'm on my way to buy a (believe it or not) beach chair! :smile:

Check in later - love and appreciate (almost) all of you... :wub:

[Roux]

Judge Ego concerns me as well, Roux. I fear no matter what Mitnik does nor how right(eous) his position, Judge R, who appears not to respect those who appear before him, and who appears to be way too interested in media coverage, will continue on this path in service to his ego.

And what will Judge Ego think when he sees how Judge Strickland ruled on the priviledge matter? Bet it will pi$$ him off. Again, remembering the site, Strickland has a very high rating on knowledge of the law.

Didn't you love it that DC wouldn't answer about the psychics the other day, yet admitted in his Le interview that he'd talked to several. BTW, that Ginnette Lucas thing still bothers me. IMO she's not legit, so how did she really get that info.

[Jeepers]

Ack, look at the time. I'm on my way to buy a (believe it or not) beach chair! :smile:

Check in later - love and appreciate (almost) all of you... :wub:

Have fun. Don't forget the sunscreen. You know how these hot summer days can be on delicate skin!!

[Imperfect4]

Do you think M&M are just crossing their t's and dotting their i's so when Rodriguez ignores their proof and professionalism they will have grounds for appeal? I do!

Let me put it this way. I have full confidence in Morgan & Morgan's ability to get the job done, with Judge Pepto or without him. John Morgan is an interesting mix -- the dreaded "ambulance chaser" with a stellar peer review rating as an attorney. (I'm trying to find info on the specifics of his rating right now. MrsHudson posted them once upon a time.)

[Julie Dupree]

And what will Judge Ego think when he sees how Judge Strickland ruled on the priviledge matter? Bet it will pi$$ him off. Again, remembering the site, Strickland has a very high rating on knowledge of the law.

Didn't you love it that DC wouldn't answer about the psychics the other day, yet admitted in his Le interview that he'd talked to several. BTW, that Ginnette Lucas thing still bothers me. IMO she's not legit, so how did she really get that info.

DC posted his and Ginnette's phone records for Nov 15 as proof he was speaking with her. I think it was on his web page. I posted it on the board the day I found it but do not have it.
How can he now deny he was talking with her?
This makes no sense. I will try to find that link.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think there was ever a deal on the table. I think it may have been implied as it probably is in most cases in the beginning but as far as a serious proffer I don't think so.

There was one at the very beginning...I remember they gave her a dead line until the following tuesday to say that it was an accident, but she would have had to bring them to the body.....but with duct tape around Caylee's entire nose and mouth, she couldn't possibly say it was an accident..so she opted to stay quiet...in hope that a body wouldn't be found...(like the rest of the Anthony's were hoping for)....

Now..it's too late...she could never ask for a deal now....it must go to trial....And what a trial it is going to be....

[Roux]

DC posted his and Ginnette's phone records for Nov 15 as proof he was speaking with her. I think it was on his web page. I posted it on the board the day I found it but do not have it.
How can he now deny he was talking with her?
This makes no sense. I will try to find that link.

The last I had known of Ginnette was when she talked to NG and claimed she couldn't produce her phone records.

If DC had that phone info posted on his web page, that surely wouldn't be privilege would it?

[Imperfect4]

And what will Judge Ego think when he sees how Judge Strickland ruled on the priviledge matter? Bet it will pi$$ him off. Again, remembering the site, Strickland has a very high rating on knowledge of the law.

Didn't you love it that DC wouldn't answer about the psychics the other day, yet admitted in his Le interview that he'd talked to several. BTW, that Ginnette Lucas thing still bothers me. IMO she's not legit, so how did she really get that info.

The GLucas thing has me puzzled, too. I don't know what her role in all this is, but I don't think for a second it was she who was directing DCasey to search for a dead Caylee. It makes no sense Dominick would suddenly decide this one psychic, out of hundreds or even thousands, was onto something. It was Cindy, according to DCasey, who was the gatekeeper deciding which tips were credible and which weren't. So I suspect GLucas was a tool (excuse?) for Dominick's adventure into the woods, but I can't imagine the specifics of all that -- my mind just doesn't work that way.

On the Judge S vs. Judge R ratings -- I would sure hope Judge R would follow Judge Strickland's lead, but I don't think it will happen.

[marshmallow]

They make you think? Seriously? :confused:

yes they do. I like to see things from many angles, not just the ones I think the case takes. The defense is goingto throw these ideas and many others out there. I guarantee the state is thinking from other angles too so they can shoot down anything that comes up. It doesn't change my personal opinions on the case but it does make me think.

[Imperfect4]

The last I had known of Ginnette was when she talked to NG and claimed she couldn't produce her phone records.

If DC had that phone info posted on his web page, that surely wouldn't be privilege would it?

Exactly right! Privilege go bye-bye.

Also, the details of their phone conversations are suspicious to say the least. Several calls that morning of short duration, initiated by both GLucas and DCasey back and forth to one another.

The other thing to keep in mind is Hoover claimed DCasey had more than one cell phone, and IIRC, DCasey admitted as much. So it's conceivable the entire GLucas phone call thing was simply a means of "putting down a record" DCasey could point to if asked about what tip he was following in searching for a dead Caylee. He and GLucas could've exchanged weather reports or other nonsense throughout that morning on ONE of his cell phones, while he was getting the real scoop from someone else on another cell phone -- perhaps a disposable.

Or maybe GLucas really did send in a tip and Cindy and DCasey came up with a scheme to have him pretend he was investigating Lucas's tip when he was actually receiving information on another of his cell phones from an Anthony. That goes with my GLucas-as-tool theory pretty well, lol.

[Irestmycase]

There was one at the very beginning...I remember they gave her a dead line until the following tuesday to say that it was an accident, but she would have had to bring them to the body.....but with duct tape around Caylee's entire nose and mouth, she couldn't possibly say it was an accident..so she opted to stay quiet...in hope that a body wouldn't be found...(like the rest of the Anthony's were hoping for)....

Now..it's too late...she could never ask for a deal now....it must go to trial....And what a trial it is going to be....

And what a trial it will be is an understatement! Could it be possible to have a tie for trial of the century?

[Postergeist]

Now that I'm thinking about it I find the nonsense posted so aggravating because this is a real life person doing it that just MAY end up on a jury. Making up their own scenerio of something NOT PRESENTED who will aquit a murderer for no other reason as they were given a little power in a life and they run with it.

Oh let's hope it doesn't happen like that, I do hope that the jurors in FL will be much more logical with processing the facts presented, will have better comprehension and reasoning skills, can easily ascertain what is a lie and what is truth and if there are one or two frootloops on the jury, I somehow think they'd be getting the stink eye when they go back to the jury room!

imo

[Julie Dupree]

DC posted his and Ginnette's phone records for Nov 15 as proof he was speaking with her. I think it was on his web page. I posted it on the board the day I found it but do not have it.
How can he now deny he was talking with her?
This makes no sense. I will try to find that link.


I found it, but it has been taken down:)

http://dgator.com/Documents/Telephon...2011.15.08.pdf

[Imperfect4]

yes they do. I like to see things from many angles, not just the ones I think the case takes. The defense is goingto throw these ideas and many others out there. I guarantee the state is thinking from other angles too so they can shoot down anything that comes up. It doesn't change my personal opinions on the case but it does make me think.

Fair enough. But I hope when the defense launches into pure fantasy involving drug cartels or whatever, they have some at least remotely believable evidence to back up their claim.

[Postergeist]

It made me think - about not posting as long as the nonsense was being spewed.

I'll sit by you, as that was what I was thinking this morning as well-

wow- if this defense does it this way- well it too reminds me of a song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TksAGzfw8Z0

Lunatic Fringe
I know you're out there

...We know you've got to blame someone
For your own confusion
But we're on guard this time
Against your final solution

...No you're not going to win this time

[really3997]

Was that event at the capitol suppose to be today or tomorrow.

[Imperfect4]

I found it, but it has been taken down:)

http://dgator.com/Documents/Telephon...2011.15.08.pdf

I think he's now directing visitors to docstoc to see them. They're here http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records

[Julie Dupree]

And what a trial it will be is an understatement! Could it be possible to have a tie for trial of the century?

Did you read this?
(my coloring)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/11/prweb1682364.htm

How does a humble, unassuming professional investigator named Dominic Casey, owner of D&A Investigations, Inc. in Longwood, Florida become the lead investigator in what is expected to rival the OJ Simpson trial of the century? He accepted the challenge. Three year old Caylee Marie Anthony is reported to have been missing since June 2008. Inconclusive forensic reports and numerous sightings provide support and hope of finding Caylee Marie alive.

[Julie Dupree]

I think he's now directing visitors to docstoc to see them. They're here http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records

Thanks..........I thought they were lost somewhere is cyberland.:)

[ClimbingRose]

While I spend the day catching up on homework, I just wanted each of you in this forum and it is special b/c of each of you posters. Your kindness never goes unnotices, your truth for justice(all tho dang it we can't arrest anyone) is truly authentic. I have been a way for a while searching the blue yonder, but this is my home. If others showed the same respect and curtesy toward each other as this group, CW's work would be so less stressful. For each of you along with the others I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You have given me kindness and the tools to separate the BS from the real thing.

Thank You,
Climbing Rose

PS: this is not a good bye letter, it's one on those which gives appreciation when called for. Until later.......ado
__________________

[Deannalynn]

Oh let's hope it doesn't happen like that, I do hope that the jurors in FL will be much more logical with processing the facts presented, will have better comprehension and reasoning skills, can easily ascertain what is a lie and what is truth and if there are one or two frootloops on the jury, I somehow think they'd be getting the stink eye when they go back to the jury room!

imo

This could turn out very serious if the defense decides to go with a drug cartel/gang. The State may have to prepare their case with this defense in mind.
I remember Phil Spector's first trial and the huge defense they had alluding to Lana Clarkson committing suicide. It came out 10-2, and they could not convince or reason with ONE of the jurors. That's all it takes is one.
Good enough, the prosecutor went back, cleaned it up to perfection, covered the additional issues with more testimony and expert witnesses and they finally found Spector guilty. We thought that case was obvious for a conviction the first time around.

[Julie Dupree]

This could turn out very serious if the defense decides to go with a drug cartel/gang. The State may have to prepare their case with this defense in mind.
I remember Phil Spector's first trial and the huge defense they had alluding to Lana Clarkson committing suicide. It came out 10-2, and they could not convince or reason with ONE of the jurors. That's all it takes is one.
Good enough, the prosecutor went back, cleaned it up to perfection, covered the additional issues with more testimony and expert witnesses and they finally found Spector guilty. We thought that case was obvious for a conviction the first time around.


Do you think LKB not being on the case the second go around had anything to do with the guilty verdict?:)

[Imperfect4]

For those who might be interested, I found a little info on Morgan & Morgan's Martindale-Hubbell peer review ranking.

M&M has an "AV® Preeminent™ 5.0 out of 5" rating
http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx

This is how the ratings are compiled:

There are two components to each Martindale-Hubbell Rating:

1. Legal Ability Ratings

Legal Ability Ratings take into consideration the standard of professional ability in the area where the lawyer practices, the lawyer's expertise, and other professional qualifications. If a lawyer's practice is limited or specialized, Ratings are based on performance in those specific fields of law.

Legal Ability Ratings are:

C - Good to High

B - High to Very High

A - Very High to Preeminent

2. General Ethical Standards Rating

The General Ethical Standards Rating denotes adherence to professional standards of conduct and ethics, reliability, diligence and other criteria relevant to the discharge of professional responsibilities.

The General Recommendation Rating is:

V - Very High

A lawyer will not receive a Legal Ability Rating unless he or she has been endorsed for a "V." When both categories of Ratings are confirmed, a lawyer receives an CV, BV or AV Rating.

http://www.dogbitelegalcenter.com/news/martindale/ratings.html

This is what Morgan says about his rating on his website:

Among some of John's greatest achievements is gaining the recognition of the top national publication in the field of law, Martindale-Hubbell. Based on recommendations of fellow attorneys, John was granted the esteemed "AV" rating, which is the premier distinction a lawyer can receive for ability and ethics in the practice of law. Only a select group of attorneys ever reach this milestone.

http://www.forthepeople.com/john_morgan.htm

[Roux]

It's for dang sure Bozo and BC will never attain the AV rating.

Thanks for the info Imp.

[Julie Dupree]

For those who might be interested, I found a little info on Morgan & Morgan's Martindale-Hubbell peer review ranking.

M&M has an "AV® Preeminent™ 5.0 out of 5" rating
http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx

This is how the ratings are compiled:



http://www.dogbitelegalcenter.com/news/martindale/ratings.html

This is what Morgan says about his rating on his website:



http://www.forthepeople.com/john_morgan.htm

I was thinking this was a very good thing until I looked up BC's rating..:(

http://www.martindale.com/Bradley-A-Conway/824271-lawyer.htm?view=cr

[Julie Dupree]

I was thinking this was a very good thing until I looked up BC's rating..:(

http://www.martindale.com/Bradley-A-Conway/824271-lawyer.htm?view=cr


But I feel better now:)
Jose Baez has not been rated. The only Jose Baez that is coming up is from NY and is not rated.

http://www.martindale.com/Jose-Anibal-Baez/498288-lawyer.htm

[bchand]

Was that event at the capitol suppose to be today or tomorrow.

I believe MsGator said Monday.

[Postergeist]

aw, (((CRose)))- very kind of you. That makes me think of a caller last week to Rick & Bubba I think it was, that said a nice thing, and the on air personality, said that was kind- she said, I'm not being kind- I'm being truthful.

And speaking of being truthful- I just now re-listened to Cindy's interview on the morning M & J show-

19 Days after Caylee was Reported to LE as missing

so just 19 days into the case, the public was already losing sympathy for Cindy, no one was believing what the family was saying-

July 29, 2008 Cindy on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA

On Oct. 22, 2008 NBC Today

Cindy says they have investigators on the case, this is after the Grand Jury, & they both say their granddaughter is alive, but says that Casey is a "grieving mom"- and George gets in his plug for KF and the M's in the last 20 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKahAxuxjM8

[crimeq]

I completely missed the board yesterday and haven't gone back to read what happened, but I see in the Links thread that my man John Morgan :wub: came out with some heavy hitting re: Dom Casey.

Yay John Morgan :wub:

[Julie Dupree]

I can't find Bozo's M-H rating (probably beneath their radar), but here's another rating: Lawyer RatingZ

Baez Rating (http://lawyerratingz.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1018773)

On a scale of 1 - 5, he's pulling in a solid 1.1. :lol: And the comments are pretty good, too.

:) and a very big ... :mad:

[Julie Dupree]

I can't find Bozo's M-H rating (probably beneath their radar), but here's another rating: Lawyer RatingZ

Baez Rating (http://lawyerratingz.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1018773)

On a scale of 1 - 5, he's pulling in a solid 1.1. :lol: And the comments are pretty good, too.


I did find one postive review:)

He is a very good ringmaster for a circus..

[Deannalynn]

Do you think LKB not being on the case the second go around had anything to do with the guilty verdict?:)

I think that had a lot to do with it. LKB's an expert in forensics. She was also the lead attorney and did the C/A. (Trial 1)
Another issue was, they pushed for a lesser charge and Allan Jackson wouldn't do it. They originally wanted them to add manslaughter as an option.

[Neffy]

This could turn out very serious if the defense decides to go with a drug cartel/gang. The State may have to prepare their case with this defense in mind.
I remember Phil Spector's first trial and the huge defense they had alluding to Lana Clarkson committing suicide. It came out 10-2, and they could not convince or reason with ONE of the jurors. That's all it takes is one.
Good enough, the prosecutor went back, cleaned it up to perfection, covered the additional issues with more testimony and expert witnesses and they finally found Spector guilty. We thought that case was obvious for a conviction the first time around.

How does the last known whereabouts of Caylee being in Blanchard Park with a Kidnapping by Zanny (an independently wealthy hispanic phantom nanny equate a Drug gang/Cartel? All the cell phone logs would certainly allude to this and they don't.

I suppose the Russian Mafia and area Sex Offenders can also be thrown in but C'MON!

As far as Clarkson went, it was always suicide vs murder. This was not a surprise sprung on anyone. Now should they have thrown in a drug cartel/gang showing up ......... :sneaky:

Hopefully my last off track post! I'm trying.

[puleeze09]

[QUOTE=legalmania;13468484]While I have time alone I'm going to start off where I left off last night. Is it possible that Casey Anthony got involved with a sophisticated drug gang that in some way caused the accidental death of Caylee. This is just one of many stories that I was talking about last night.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-orlando-westside-gang-bust-080209,0,6598571.story[/QUOTE?]

Are you a casey supporter? Your asking questions meant to detrack from the truth and placing blame on other people. No one but casey committed the crime of murder and her family has had a hand in the coverup. Anything else is far from the truth.

[Imperfect4]

I was thinking this was a very good thing until I looked up BC's rating..:(

http://www.martindale.com/Bradley-A-Conway/824271-lawyer.htm?view=cr

Wow! :scared:

Now I have to rethink the credibility of these ratings. :thumbdown:

[Imperfect4]

I completely missed the board yesterday and haven't gone back to read what happened, but I see in the Links thread that my man John Morgan :wub: came out with some heavy hitting re: Dom Casey.

Yay John Morgan :wub:

Did you see he now has a picture of himself with his lovely WIFE on his home page? :sneaky:

http://www.forthepeople.com/

[Imperfect4]

I can't find Bozo's M-H rating (probably beneath their radar), but here's another rating: Lawyer RatingZ

Baez Rating (http://lawyerratingz.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1018773)

On a scale of 1 - 5, he's pulling in a solid 1.1. :lol: And the comments are pretty good, too.

Wow! Winning friends/influencing people online and off, ain't he? :laugh:

[Kathlb]

[QUOTE=Barbara fl.;13468842]

It's pretty disheartening that a defense can be such a lucrative business either monetary or publicity wise. You can see a publicity hound a mile away and this ones up close and personal. Where's Linda Kenney Baden been? I think there are too many big heads on this defense team that they'll all make it to the end on speaking terms.

edited to add I messed up the quotes, sorry Barb, to lazy to fix this am :)

And do they think that the public is so stupid (potential jurors and sitting jurors) that they don't know what they are doing? The LKB's, the Jose's, the Henry Lee's....they are known to be sleazy lawyers and so called experts that come on a case that's got a lot of media hype and try to muddy the waters for the defense to get a killer off. Everyone knows that for God's sake!! No one respects them. No one will believe them. They just tune in to see what stupidity they try and foist off on the jurors and the public watching. It's a game. And the poor victim and her/his supporters have to put up with watching them try to get a killer off by sullying the victim's memory. My only hope is that the scriptures are correct 100% and it truly is an "eye for an eye" and at judgement day they all have to watch their loved ones being raked over the coals for eternity. (And that's not wishing it on their loved ones, their loved ones will be fine, but THEY won't)!! JMHO :cursing:

[Deannalynn]

How does the last known whereabouts of Caylee being in Blanchard Park with a Kidnapping by Zanny (an independently wealthy hispanic phantom nanny equate a Drug gang/Cartel? All the cell phone logs would certainly allude to this and they don't.

I suppose the Russian Mafia and area Sex Offenders can also be thrown in but C'MON!

As far as Clarkson went, it was always suicide vs murder. This was not a surprise sprung on anyone. Now should they have thrown in a drug cartel/gang showing up ......... :sneaky:

Hopefully my last off track post! I'm trying.

As much as I agree with you I have seen some rather twisted trials. We all have. The fact that LKB is on this team has me a little concerned, Neffy. The scenario is totally different, yes. But, I pay attention to the players, too. This defense team is a joke as far as I'm concerned but LKB is no minor league. I am waiting with confidence that the prosecutors have this case all wrapped up in a nice pink guilty bow. Thought Allan Jackson did too. He was Phenomenal.:shrug:

As far as I'm concerned this drug cartel, hot dog shop, kidnapping Idea is ludicrous.:rolleyes:

[KittyMom]

I'm wondering how long it will take for the def to find an excuse for not handing over their evidence. lol I'm sure they're hard at work on copying all that evidence for the SA. :rolleyes:

[Julie Dupree]

Did you see he now has a picture of himself with his lovely WIFE on his home page? :sneaky:

http://www.forthepeople.com/

I saw an interview with them once...and she said she let him put his name on the door because he let her name be the first Morgan:)

[Imperfect4]

How does the last known whereabouts of Caylee being in Blanchard Park with a Kidnapping by Zanny (an independently wealthy hispanic phantom nanny equate a Drug gang/Cartel? All the cell phone logs would certainly allude to this and they don't.

I suppose the Russian Mafia and area Sex Offenders can also be thrown in but C'MON!

As far as Clarkson went, it was always suicide vs murder. This was not a surprise sprung on anyone. Now should they have thrown in a drug cartel/gang showing up ......... :sneaky:

Hopefully my last off track post! I'm trying.

I'm thinking alien abduction/experimentation resulting in death, whereupon she was returned to earth after decomp by little green men who placed her close to where she was beamed aboard the mothership.

Or since the Clarkson suicide angle seemed to work for awhile, and was also tried (only to fail miserably) in the Entwhistle murder, maybe we'll hear Caylee killed herself.

[Imperfect4]

Probably available for a *significant* contribution.

<heavy, disillusioned sigh>

[Julie Dupree]

I'm wondering how long it will take for the def to find an excuse for not handing over their evidence. lol I'm sure they're hard at work on copying all that evidence for the SA. :rolleyes:

I bet we will see another motion for a hearing on why they should not have to give it to the state.
They will do whatever they can to delay giving it up for as long as the court system will allow it.
JMO

[Deannalynn]

While LKB would *like* to be an expert in forensics, she is not. Her husband is considered by some to be an expert. LKB is a lawyer with some experience in forensics, nothing more.

I have no respect for Michael Baden and his expertise in forensics, at all. He blew it with me the moment he stepped up to the witness stand while his wife was defending Spector. That was a JOKE!
That was my "A ha" moment!

[Imperfect4]

Oh, my. She looks.............. well-preserved.

So does he. The wonders of lighting, makeup, and a professional photog.

And cosmetic surgery, of course.

[Imperfect4]

I saw an interview with them once...and she said she let him put his name on the door because he let her name be the first Morgan:)

Very cute!

[Kathlb]

LKB was not responsible for the hung PS jury. It was one stubborn, moronic juror who believed that Lana might have found Phil's gun in a drawer because his grandmother used to snoop in people's drawers. It had nothing to do with the forensics in that case whatsoever.

In fact, I believe the [normal] jurors said they pretty much discounted all the forensics arguing.

LKB doesn't scare me.

Nor me. In CA she was laughed at and put jurors to sleep. In FL she will be totally discounted since they don't go for New York yelling at them down here. (that's if they believed a word she said which they won't) :w00t: This "media presence" that they all want is Negative!! I guess they all figure any presence is better than none. (Clue.... It isn't!!)

[Imperfect4]

LKB was not responsible for the hung PS jury. It was one stubborn, moronic juror who believed that Lana might have found Phil's gun in a drawer because his grandmother used to snoop in people's drawers. It had nothing to do with the forensics in that case whatsoever.

In fact, I believe the [normal] jurors said they pretty much discounted all the forensics arguing.

LKB doesn't scare me.

Can you (or anyone) refresh my memory? Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in Florida in the penalty phase? And how about the guilt phase?

ETA: Lemme try that again. Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in the GUILT phase ... and how about in the penalty phase?

[Deannalynn]

LKB was not responsible for the hung PS jury. It was one stubborn, moronic juror who believed that Lana might have found Phil's gun in a drawer because his grandmother used to snoop in people's drawers. It had nothing to do with the forensics in that case whatsoever.

In fact, I believe the [normal] jurors said they pretty much discounted all the forensics arguing.

LKB doesn't scare me.

Hey...I'm on your side of the scale of justice Spots. I'm just saying crazier things have happened and we all know that. Altho we don't want to believe it, we can't discount it. We can't assume it's going to be a slam dunk, hands down.:smile:

[crimeq]

Did you see he now has a picture of himself with his lovely WIFE on his home page? :sneaky:

http://www.forthepeople.com/

Humpfh. :mad:

Well, I still love his professionalism and assertion/aggression (need the aggression against Cindy and Dom Casey).

[crimeq]

Oh, my. She looks.............. well-preserved.

With the kind of moolah John Morgan makes (well-earned), she can afford the best in preservation treatments, I'm sure.

[crimeq]

I saw an interview with them once...and she said she let him put his name on the door because he let her name be the first Morgan:)

Is she an attorney, too?

[Julie Dupree]

Can you (or anyone) refresh my memory? Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in Florida in the penalty phase? And how about the guilt phase?

ETA: Lemme try that again. Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in the GUILT phase ... and how about in the penalty phase?


I didn't find what I was looking for, but did find a very interesting article...When you have a moment you might want to scan it.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/527

[Julie Dupree]

Is she an attorney, too?

Yes. That is why the firm is called Morgan and Morgan:)

[crimeq]

I bet we will see another motion for a hearing on why they should not have to give it to the state.
They will do whatever they can to delay giving it up for as long as the court system will allow it.
JMO

Morgan's done being Mr. Nice Guy. He came out blasting and seeking sanctions. He's not going to back down.

And that man is one worthy adversary.

[Kathlb]

Can you (or anyone) refresh my memory? Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in Florida in the penalty phase? And how about the guilt phase?

ETA: Lemme try that again. Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in the GUILT phase ... and how about in the penalty phase?

This is an interesting case in point. A Florida jury found for the death penalty 12-0 and their reasons were afterward.... the killer borrowed a shovel and flashlight and there was a delayed 911 call. They said that the delay was a clue since they would have been on the phone immediately!! Take a clue defense!! No one will buy a delay of a day let alone 31!!! MOO

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090905/ARTICLE/909051042/2055/NEWS?Title=Jury-recommends-death-sentence

[breezie]

Do you think LKB not being on the case the second go around had anything to do with the guilty verdict?:)

nope, not a thing. She was completely unimpressive if you watched her bumble through the forensics. The guilty verdict in the second trial had everything to do with that stoopid rogue juror from the first trial NOT being on the jury.

No one believed the defense in the first trial. Doofus apparently had a snooping MIL and a drive to hang a jury. I bet if the vote went the other way he would have voted guilty.

[crimeq]

Yes. That is why the firm is called Morgan and Morgan:)

LOL, my sleuthing hat must be in the wash :biggrin:

[Deannalynn]

Humpfh. :mad:

Well, I still love his professionalism and assertion/aggression (need the aggression against Cindy and Dom Casey).

I have to say, when you look at this photo and then go in and look at Baez and his wife, you can tell these two women don't shop at the same place.:ohmy: Did I say that...

My bad...:tonguewag:

[Kathlb]

All Casey knows is what she's seen and watched on tv and the internet. She isn't smart enough and doesn't have life's experience enough to do the perfect crime. (since there is none anyway) She gives herself away at a multitude of points along the way. She leaves not only a trail of bread crumbs but the whole loaf!!!

Uh...Casey....those cases are on tv because they DIDN'T WORK! :rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

And what a trial it will be is an understatement! Could it be possible to have a tie for trial of the century?




I do believe that this trial will out do the Scott Peterson case...

[Deannalynn]

nope, not a thing. She was completely unimpressive if you watched her bumble through the forensics. The guilty verdict in the second trial had everything to do with that stoopid rogue juror from the first trial NOT being on the jury.

No one believed the defense in the first trial. Doofus apparently had a snooping MIL and a drive to hang a jury. I bet if the vote went the other way he would have voted guilty.

I have to agree that was the big talk about that trial. The jerk (jury Foreman) wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he got 5.
He really cost the State millions of dollars, Spector continued walking the streets and his "dream team" walked. They knew how they got a hung jury. Some say it was fixed, others say the jury foreman wanted his 15 minutes of fame. In any event, that was nothing but crazy and crazier things will happen.:sneaky:

[Barbara fl.]

This could turn out very serious if the defense decides to go with a drug cartel/gang. The State may have to prepare their case with this defense in mind.
I remember Phil Spector's first trial and the huge defense they had alluding to Lana Clarkson committing suicide. It came out 10-2, and they could not convince or reason with ONE of the jurors. That's all it takes is one.
Good enough, the prosecutor went back, cleaned it up to perfection, covered the additional issues with more testimony and expert witnesses and they finally found Spector guilty. We thought that case was obvious for a conviction the first time around.


That is what usually happens in these high profile cases....someone wants to make a name for themself.....and it is always at the tax payers expense.....but Casey will get convicted (hopefully the first go round)....

[Barbara fl.]

Can you (or anyone) refresh my memory? Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in Florida in the penalty phase? And how about the guilt phase?

ETA: Lemme try that again. Do we need all 12 to vote guilty in the GUILT phase ... and how about in the penalty phase?


Yes, all 12 have to vote guilty or it will have to be tried again....However, in the penalty phase the majority rules....but it would later be up to the judge to uphold it.....

[crimeq]

I have to say, when you look at this photo and then go in and look at Baez and his wife, you can tell these two women don't shop at the same place.:ohmy: Did I say that...

My bad...:tonguewag:

Yes, the cocktail dress Mrs Baez wore to Jose's daughter's graduation was totally inappropriate for a day event. And I sure hope she is pregnant; otherwise, she looked pregnant and the dress was a very poor choice.

[Barbara fl.]

All Casey knows is what she's seen and watched on tv and the internet. She isn't smart enough and doesn't have life's experience enough to do the perfect crime. (since there is none anyway) She gives herself away at a multitude of points along the way. She leaves not only a trail of bread crumbs but the whole loaf!!!

Uh...Casey....those cases are on tv because they DIDN'T WORK! :rolleyes:


I love the way you put that.....:biggrin:

[breezie]

I have to agree that was the big talk about that trial. The jerk (jury Foreman) wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he got 5.
He really cost the State millions of dollars, Spector continued walking the streets and his "dream team" walked. They knew how they got a hung jury. Some say it was fixed, others say the jury foreman wanted his 15 minutes of fame. In any event, that was nothing but crazy and crazier things will happen.:sneaky:

what was soooooo annoying about it was that AJ ( :wub: ) vetoed the idiot but was overruled by his boss. All that could have been avoided if they had just listened to the ones trying the case. grrr....

[Julie Dupree]

nope, not a thing. She was completely unimpressive if you watched her bumble through the forensics. The guilty verdict in the second trial had everything to do with that stoopid rogue juror from the first trial NOT being on the jury.

No one believed the defense in the first trial. Doofus apparently had a snooping MIL and a drive to hang a jury. I bet if the vote went the other way he would have voted guilty.

Thanks...since I did not watch any of this case, I was not really familiar with her abilities in court. I have not been that impressed with her at the hearings, but realize that may or may not be a fair measure of her ability.
Maybe what you and Barbara are saying is a much better "yard stick" than the repetition that has been printed about her.

[Barbara fl.]

I have to agree that was the big talk about that trial. The jerk (jury Foreman) wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he got 5.
He really cost the State millions of dollars, Spector continued walking the streets and his "dream team" walked. They knew how they got a hung jury. Some say it was fixed, others say the jury foreman wanted his 15 minutes of fame. In any event, that was nothing but crazy and crazier things will happen.:sneaky:


Also, the problem with that jury was that the rest of the juror's could have had that one juror removed for not wanting to listen to reason....but they were unaware that they could do that....


I hope in this trial they advise the juror's of this right....it just might make a big difference and not have to redo an expensive trial such as this one is going to be....