Caylee Anthony 9/13

[desmom]

Thanks desmom:)
The one I was hoping you would find I think came from his appearance on NG.
Maybe it was one of those that you referred to that no longer works :( to bad if it is, because it is a good one.

Why didn't you say so? Was he only on her show one time? I found his January 6, 2009 appearance.

Transcript http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/06/ng.01.html

Still looking for video...

[bchand]

Know, no.

Suspected, yes.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Some complaints about M-H fees as well as a response from Dave Danielson Martindale-Hubbell/VP LexisNexis Client Development

http://www.whataboutclients.com/archives/2009/05/redux_martindal.html

[Julie Dupree]

Why didn't you say so? Was he only on her show one time? I found his January 6, 2009 appearance.

Transcript http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/06/ng.01.html

Still looking for video...

:( it is not in the transcript desmom..maybe my memory is not working today and it wasn't said on NG....but big hugs for looking for me. I really appreciate it.
I guess it is one of the lost/deleted ones you were referring to.

[seeing_eye]

Because that's not the correct Jose Baez. Wrong middle name, wrong address (NYC vs FL).

Rest easy......

Thanks, Spots, for letting me know my error. The "mind games" we've been playing lately must've put cob webs in my brain. :w00t:

[cassidy]

Now that is scary. :eek:

When I am doing chores around the house, I try to come up with different scenarios. Everything I have imagined gets hung up on Casey's behavior during the 31 days. jmo


I've done that too desmom. I think my mind just cannot wrap around the thought of a mommy (any mommy) deliberating killing her child. So I try to come up with ways that it wouldn't be that way in this case. Some other reason for Caylee's death, someone else to blame. some logical reason for Casey to be sitting in jail not talking. But no matter what I come up with it all comes back to 31 days. There is no logical explanation for the 31 days. The 31 days simply defies all logic.

JMO

[seeing_eye]

I've done that too desmom. I think my mind just cannot wrap around the thought of a mommy (any mommy) deliberating killing her child. So I try to come up with ways that it wouldn't be that way in this case. Some other reason for Caylee's death, someone else to blame. some logical reason for Casey to be sitting in jail not talking. But no matter what I come up with it all comes back to 31 days. There is no logical explanation for the 31 days. The 31 days simply defies all logic.

JMO

I can't get around the 31 days AND the lack of emotion and grieving.

[desmom]

Why didn't you say so? Was he only on her show one time? I found his January 6, 2009 appearance.

Transcript http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/06/ng.01.html

Still looking for video...

too late to edit and add http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fko1hJnZrtc&feature=related

[cassidy]

I can't get around the 31 days AND the lack of emotion and grieving.

That too, seeing_eye :(

[bchand]

I dont have the link to the video, but I bet desmom could find it very easily of John Morgan when this case was first announced.
He said "They are messing with the wrong person if they think I will back down"...something like that.
I thought it was well said then, I still do:)

I remember little bits and pieces of words between John Morgan and Cindy. (I found reference to it over at WS. - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2959805&postcount=408

*WESH-Channel 2 offered dramatic footage of well-known attorney John Morgan answering Cindy Anthony, Casey's mother. Cindy Anthony has called Morgan "an ambulance chaser."

Morgan's response to Cindy Anthony:

"Be careful when she calls me an ambulance chaser. Because she may have repeated this same slander, and she may find the ambulance chaser turning his Howitzer in a different direction, and it may be in her direction."

[anon-o-miss]

Something had her spooked. Maybe it's because I have interviewed hundreds of mothers, drug dealers, killers. She is definetley scared to tell the whole story.
She is scared to tell the whole story, people don't tend to pat you on the back when you kill your baby IMO.:rolleyes:

[seeing_eye]

We've all been there. :seeya: [Scary, isn't it?]

Verrrrrrrry scary (the mind games, that is).

[Julie Dupree]

I remember little bits and pieces of words between John Morgan and Cindy. (I found reference to it over at WS. - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2959805&postcount=408

*WESH-Channel 2 offered dramatic footage of well-known attorney John Morgan answering Cindy Anthony, Casey's mother. Cindy Anthony has called Morgan "an ambulance chaser."

Morgan's response to Cindy Anthony:

"Be careful when she calls me an ambulance chaser. Because she may have repeated this same slander, and she may find the ambulance chaser turning his Howitzer in a different direction, and it may be in her direction."

Thanks bchard.
I agree with spots, Santa may be getting that wish from a couple of people:)
Unfortunately that is not the one I was wanting :) but it is a good one.

[desmom]

Yesterday I couldn't find the video of Dennis Martin in Nejames office. Today I found it. 3:40 on the clock http://www.wftv.com/video/17966708/index.html-/index.html

I am posting it so it don't get lost again.

[Julie Dupree]

Yesterday I couldn't find the video of Dennis Martin in Nejames office. Today I found it. 3:40 on the clock http://www.wftv.com/video/17966708/index.html-/index.html

I am posting it so it don't get lost again.

Mark NeJames says..."I have already told the Anthonys if they profit one cent off this little girl, I am off the case" (This is not a word for word quote, but kinda sorta the what he said)

I wonder if that is why he quit?

[Kathlb]

I can't get around the 31 days AND the lack of emotion and grieving.

Even Ol' Phil Spector came immediately outside and told the driver he thought he just killed someone. :rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

You do know that M-H charges the attorney to be included in their ratings? It is not exactly the most objective rating. JMO

I didn't know it when I posted M&M's rating. But after another poster noted Brad Conway received the same rating, I suspected there must be a lack of objectivity.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[gaelicpeas]

Yep, but we think about this case and read everything we can get our eyes on and watch everything that is shown, but many people do not. We know what has gone on, but some people may be swayed.

I know that most of us here would not be swayed, but there are some IMO that could be.

2w4u
I agree... no one I know is tuned into this case.

[Imperfect4]

I remember little bits and pieces of words between John Morgan and Cindy. (I found reference to it over at WS. - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2959805&postcount=408

*WESH-Channel 2 offered dramatic footage of well-known attorney John Morgan answering Cindy Anthony, Casey's mother. Cindy Anthony has called Morgan "an ambulance chaser."

Morgan's response to Cindy Anthony:

"Be careful when she calls me an ambulance chaser. Because she may have repeated this same slander, and she may find the ambulance chaser turning his Howitzer in a different direction, and it may be in her direction."

Oh, snap! :thumbsup:

[desmom]

Mark NeJames says..."I have already told the Anthonys if they profit one cent off this little girl, I am off the case" (This is not a word for word quote, but kinda sorta the what he said)

I wonder if that is why he quit?

That video aired November 12.
http://www.wftv.com/news/17965652/detail.html

NeJame resigned November 20.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18025956/detail.html

[kakax]

I agree... no one I know is tuned into this case.



It seems that some on this board ( a slim minority) also aren't paying close attention either!:w00t:

[kakax]

That video aired November 12.
http://www.wftv.com/news/17965652/detail.html

NeJame resigned November 20.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18025956/detail.html


Very interesting! Hmmmmmmmmm

[Imperfect4]

Not sure if Julie's still around, but she posted this link earlier. I saved it and just read it: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/527

It's lengthy, but it's written by a judge who presided over the DP case of the nurse in Massachusetts who was charged with killing 7 patients. She did something to them that caused them to code, which meant the hospital security guard she was having an affair with would show up for the code. I saw this story depicted on TV -- apparently this woman enjoyed "showing off" for her security guard by attempting life saving maneuvers on the patients she had caused the code on.

Anyhoo, this is the story of the trial from the perspective of the presiding judge. It's very thought-provoking.

Thanks, Julie! :smile:

[Julie Dupree]

Not sure if Julie's still around, but she posted this link earlier. I saved it and just read it: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/527

It's lengthy, but it's written by a judge who presided over the DP case of the nurse in Massachusetts who was charged with killing 7 patients. She did something to them that caused them to code, which meant the hospital security guard she was having an affair with would show up for the code. I saw this story depicted on TV -- apparently this woman enjoyed "showing off" for her security guard by attempting life saving maneuvers on the patients she had caused the code on.

Anyhoo, this is the story of the trial from the perspective of the presiding judge. It's very thought-provoking.

Thanks, Julie! :smile:

:) Glad you enjoyed it.
I did not know it was on TV, thanks for that little tidbit.

[cassidy]

Not sure if Julie's still around, but she posted this link earlier. I saved it and just read it: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/527

It's lengthy, but it's written by a judge who presided over the DP case of the nurse in Massachusetts who was charged with killing 7 patients. She did something to them that caused them to code, which meant the hospital security guard she was having an affair with would show up for the code. I saw this story depicted on TV -- apparently this woman enjoyed "showing off" for her security guard by attempting life saving maneuvers on the patients she had caused the code on.

Anyhoo, this is the story of the trial from the perspective of the presiding judge. It's very thought-provoking.

Thanks, Julie! :smile:

Imperfect, thatk for reposting that and Julie thanks for posting it in the 1st place. It's a very thought provoking article and if you haven't read it you should take the time to do so.

[trich]

I've done that too desmom. I think my mind just cannot wrap around the thought of a mommy (any mommy) deliberating killing her child.

JMO

Snipped.

All you have to do is pick up the newspaper or watch news on tv almost every day to know and realize how many mothers do terrible things on purpose to
their own children.
They lock them up, starve them, brutalize them .
Yes mothers are suppose to love and nurture their children and it would be wonderful if no mother could or would ever harm their child but it is done day after day after day I am sorry to say.
It makes me sick every time I read of the terrible things some mothers do to their kids.
Don't anyone be naive to think a mother would never kill their child.
I hope the prosecutors make that point along with the forensics that will put Casey away or DP and she can never do this again to another child.
Even without the 31 days of partying , thieving and shopping while Caylee was gone.
Know that children are killed evey day by their own mothers.
Mothers like Casey that are just pure EVIL!

[kakax]

Hi kakax...
I just read your post. I'm afraid i have been corrected more than once on facts. I was unfortunately one of those who came in way late on this case and up until I did come in I was always listening to the media. (That wasn't a good thing)
I have learned so much from all of you good posters and I want to thank you again for all the information you share along with some corrections. It has helped me out. That's for sure! (Never listen to what the media has to say all the time):sneaky:
I also appreciate the fact that it's okay to ask questions on this board and not be ignored.
There are a lot of really nice people on this case and I'm just glad to be a part of it.:blushing:

I really hope you don't think I was referring to you!! I am surely not an expert in this case and have to be corrected too! (Often!) That's why I come here because if you don't know what is going on, there is no better place to come to find the facts and an intelligent conversation about them!

[cassidy]

Snipped.

All you have to do is pick up the newspaper or watch news on tv almost every day to know and realize how many mothers do terrible things on purpose to
their own children.
They lock them up, starve them, brutalize them .
Yes mothers are suppose to love and nurture their children and it would be wonderful if no mother could or would ever harm their child but it is done day after day after day I am sorry to say.
It makes me sick every time I read of the terrible things some mothers do to their kids.
Don't anyone be naive to think a mother would never kill their child.
I hope the prosecutors make that point along with the forensics that will put Casey away or DP and she can never do this again to another child.
Even without the 31 days of partying , thieving and shopping while Caylee was gone.
Know that children are killed evey day by their own mothers.
Mothers like Casey that are just pure EVIL!

I know it happens daily and I know mothers do horrible things to their children. But my mind doesn't have to like it and it's a good thing that it (my mind) has a hard time accepting it. I'm far from being naive.

[Neffy]

I've been trying to find it, I read it just the other day, the reason Terry Lenamon left as the Death qualified attorney was that Casey wouldn't go for an insanity plea and that was all he could come up with.


Wonder what better idea this dream team has come up with?

The somebody else thingie is not gonna work, IMO.

2w4u

The reason Lenamon left is the DP was taken off the table and he was no longer needed.

[cassidy]

I've been trying to find it, I read it just the other day, the reason Terry Lenamon left as the Death qualified attorney was that Casey wouldn't go for an insanity plea and that was all he could come up with.


Wonder what better idea this dream team has come up with?

The somebody else thingie is not gonna work, IMO.

2w4u

I thought he quit when they took the death penalty off the table. ????

[cassidy]

Lenamon's resignation letter:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/09/Letter.MsAnthony.Withdraw.pdf

Wonder why they didn't go back to him when it was put back on the table?

[Neffy]

Wonder why they didn't go back to him when it was put back on the table?

He did discuss this with Jose but now there was a difference in opinion on how it should be handled. Needless to say, Lenamon refused to go Jose's route. Jose wanted to be in charge and not take Lenamons advice. There's video of Lenamon on the record along with his statement. Sorry I don't have it.

[cassidy]

He did discuss this with Jose but now there was a difference in opinion on how it should be handled. Needless to say, Lenamon refused to go Jose's route. Jose wanted to be in charge and not take Lenamons advice. There's video of Lenamon on the record along with his statement. Sorry I don't have it.

thanks I didn't know that Neffy.

[Julie Dupree]

I've been trying to find it, I read it just the other day, the reason Terry Lenamon left as the Death qualified attorney was that Casey wouldn't go for an insanity plea and that was all he could come up with.


Wonder what better idea this dream team has come up with?

The somebody else thingie is not gonna work, IMO.

2w4u



This came from the same link that Spots posted above:
I know there is more to the story of why he left the team, but I had forgotten about this. Glad you mention his name and glad that Spots posted that link.
Thanks.


State's Attorney Asks for Gag Order

Prosecutors in the case against Casey filed a motion to "shut up" Jose Baez and the Anthony family (read motion). The state attorney is asking for a gag order on several key players in the case, saying that attorney Jose Baez has "succumbed to the lure of the national spotlight" and frequently expresses his opinion about the case. They also accuse the Anthony family of turning every opportunity to talk about Caylee into an attack on the prosecution.

It's about time! While the motion will gag both the prosecution and the defense, it's very clear that the motion, which will be heard Monday along with motions by Baez for discovery, is mainly aimed at Cindy Anthony and Jose Baez. The two have created a total media circus which has actually hurt Casey more than helped her. Certainly, the 30 page memo leaked to the press by attorney Terrence Lenamon didn't help Casey at all. It showed the dissention in the ranks of Casey's team and heaped a ton of negative commentary all around the Internet and in the press.

With the trial approaching, it would be better to have a period of blessed silence.

[newsjunkie]

Lenamon's resignation letter:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/09/Letter.MsAnthony.Withdraw.pdf



Makes one wonder why he didn't rejoin when the DP was put back on?

:tonguewag:

[newsjunkie]

Wonder why they didn't go back to him when it was put back on the table?


well now.........didn't see this post till I posted.:scared:

[Irestmycase]

Did you read this?
(my coloring)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/11/prweb1682364.htm

How does a humble, unassuming professional investigator named Dominic Casey, owner of D&A Investigations, Inc. in Longwood, Florida become the lead investigator in what is expected to rival the OJ Simpson trial of the century? He accepted the challenge. Three year old Caylee Marie Anthony is reported to have been missing since June 2008. Inconclusive forensic reports and numerous sightings provide support and hope of finding Caylee Marie alive.

Hi Julie,
I couldn't get the link to come up but that is exactly what I was thinking. :smile: Buckle your seat belt, we're in for quite a ride!

[Julie Dupree]

Have we been privy to this 30 page memo that was leaked? Did I miss that?

OM!

2w4u


I was looking for them, but I cant seem to find them. Maybe if we throw ourself on the mercy of desmom or someone who has talent in finding things, we will get them.:)

[Neffy]

That's what I'm talking about. Lenamon's advice was the insanity plea. Jose wouldn't go for it.

Thanks

2w4u

You never distinguished which contact with Lenamon you were referring to. Looks like we assumed you were speaking with regards to the first time since that's when he was actually retained. That's the route Lenamon took originally before the DP was removed. Lenamon never waivered.

[Neffy]

O/T ABC NEW.COM
Annie Le...Treating case as a homicide.
They found human remains in the lab wall at the University.
They are pretty sure it is Annie Le.:sad:

OH noooooooooo! Appreciate the info. Geez!

[Dtviewer3]

Well I guess I wasn't as gullible at 22 than some.

But you believe Caseys lies now? And are coming up with crazy drug gang theories without a shred of evidence? :confused:


Unbelievable.....just unbelievable.......

[Katprint]

The reason Lenamon left is the DP was taken off the table and he was no longer needed.
The death penalty was no longer on the table, but she was still facing First Degree Murder with a possible Life Without Possibility of Parole sentence. He could have stayed if he had wanted to. LWOP is not nothing, and the Anthony defense team could use all the competent, experienced lawyers it could get.

He said in an interview (I think it was reported in the Orlando Sentinel but it was months and months ago so I am not completely sure) that he left because he had a major difference of opinion concerning the strategy that the Anthony defense team should follow. This does not necessarily contradict his other statement about leaving because the death penalty was no longer on the table, to wit: He no longer had an ethical obligation to remain on the defense team because he had achieve the specific outcome for which he had been retained, and on a personal level he no longer wanted to remain on the defense team because he did not agree with certain strategic decisions that had been made.

Sometimes people have more than one reason why they do the things that they do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[kakax]

O/T ABC NEW.COM
Annie Le...Treating case as a homicide.
They found human remains in the lab wall at the University.
They are pretty sure it is Annie Le.:sad:


Thanks for the info. So sad. :( I thought about her on Saturday. Can't imagine how her family and fiance are feeling about her death so close to a time she would be so happy. Prayers for all of them.

[Neffy]

The death penalty was no longer on the table, but she was still facing First Degree Murder with a possible Life Without Possibility of Parole sentence. He could have stayed if he had wanted to. LWOP is not nothing, and the Anthony defense team could use all the competent, experienced lawyers it could get.

He said in an interview (I think it was reported in the Orlando Sentinel but it was months and months ago so I am not completely sure) that he left because he had a major difference of opinion concerning the strategy that the Anthony defense team should follow. This does not necessarily contradict his other statement about leaving because the death penalty was no longer on the table, to wit: He no longer had an ethical obligation to remain on the defense team because he had achieve the specific outcome for which he had been retained, and on a personal level he no longer wanted to remain on the defense team because he did not agree with certain strategic decisions that had been made.

Sometime people have more than one reason why they do the things that they do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I could be wrong but I don't think the "difference of opinion" was actually noted until the DP was put back on and his services again were being discussed. He wasn't going the "Baez" way. It's my understanding being a DP attorney is a specialty and he wasn't going to let Baez dictate how he wanted Lenamon to proceed.

On the record I think Lenamon was very gracious. I'd love to have a beer with him to hear what his thoughts really were :) LOL

[kakax]

The death penalty was no longer on the table, but she was still facing First Degree Murder with a possible Life Without Possibility of Parole sentence. He could have stayed if he had wanted to. LWOP is not nothing, and the Anthony defense team could use all the competent, experienced lawyers it could get.

He said in an interview (I think it was reported in the Orlando Sentinel but it was months and months ago so I am not completely sure) that he left because he had a major difference of opinion concerning the strategy that the Anthony defense team should follow. This does not necessarily contradict his other statement about leaving because the death penalty was no longer on the table, to wit: He no longer had an ethical obligation to remain on the defense team because he had achieve the specific outcome for which he had been retained, and on a personal level he no longer wanted to remain on the defense team because he did not agree with certain strategic decisions that had been made.

Sometimes people have more than one reason why they do the things that they do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Thanks, Kat.

I also remember him being a guest on NG and her asking why he was no longer on the team. He said that he and Jose had differences of opinion on how to handle the case. NG really didn't comment any further and neither did TL.

I'll see if I can find the transcript.

[kakax]

Thanks, Kat.

I also remember him being a guest on NG and her asking why he was no longer on the team. He said that he and Jose had differences of opinion on how to handle the case. NG really didn't comment any further and neither did TL.

I'll see if I can find the transcript.


So far I have found reference to TL speaking on NG in an article from a local media source. When I click on the link, it takes me to a search page on the news organizations site...must not be a good link anymore.

Here is what it shows on Google.

WESH.com - Searchhave been the approach, which is more mental health-related," Terrance Lenamon said on the "Nancy Grace Show." Lenamon said he wanted to have an insanity approach, but attorney ...

[kakax]

So, so sad. Yesterday when the news media jumped the gun, that scared me. I don't think that they would have made the same mistake two days in a row, so it must be true today.

For her fiance and family.......:rose:


2w4u


I was shocked when it was found to have been an error in reporting yesterday.

What a horrible thing to report wrong! Reminds me of when the media reported the Congresswoman who had a seizure behind the wheel of a car was dead, but she wasn't. Ugh.

You really, really can't trust first reports, but I think you are probably right. This was probably checked and rechecked. If not...

God Bless this family!!!! They don't deserve speculation at this point.

[Neffy]

So if Lenamon refused to join the team and go along with Jose's ~brilliant~ ideas about Casey's defense, what does that say about Andrea Lyon? That she was willing/eager enough to swallow the drivel Jose has been spouting?

The only thing I can think of is Jose told her what he didn't want. Perhaps Lyons agreed to explore another route (not doing her homework before agreeing as to why Lenamon was going this route IMO). All she probably knew from Jose was Lenamon wasn't going to budge with Jose being critical of him for not keeping an "open mind" aka the Baez way.

[kakax]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19448983/index.html


Video of TL on NG talking about why he was no longer on the case.

He says prior to him withdrawing, he had some significant disagreements on how to approach the case.

Baez supposedly called him after the body was found, but Baez went with someone else.

[kakax]

LENAMON: In my 30-page waiver letter, I footnoted 130 specific factual entries all from newspaper and media. Everything I talked about that you just mentioned came from the public. This was dissected to the public. This was an independent investigation.

I thought that is what this meant.

What does waiver mean?

I honestly don't understand legal speak.

TIA


You got me rofl!

Maybe the waiver letter from when he tried to get the SA's office to waive the death penalty in this case. Not sure.

[kakax]

I don't see any defense that I would buy into. Notta. Nothing.

2w4u

Me either, but I will say that they would have had a better chance to try to say, yes, she did this, here is why....she had some break with reality after the birth of her child or she had some sort of mental breakdown after Caylee's accidental death. (don't get me wrong, I don't think this is what happened)

Stick with the Nanny story, she has not a chance in he!!.

Either way, she is going to lose. And now, the possiblity of death is hanging over her head. She and Jose royally messed up. They should have said it was an accident and tried to get a deal. Now no one will believe anything they have to say.

The facts are pretty damning in this case. IMO

[kakax]

Thanks Kakax.

2w4u

Yw! Thanks for the compliment on my siggie!

[kakax]

Trust me, I was not trying to be funny. I am legally dumb about legal stuff.
Glad you had a good laugh at my expense.

:tonguewag:


Im legally moronic too. You aren't the only one!!


ETA: I was serious when I said you got me...cause I have no clue LOL!

[Neffy]

LENAMON: In my 30-page waiver letter, I footnoted 130 specific factual entries all from newspaper and media. Everything I talked about that you just mentioned came from the public. This was dissected to the public. This was an independent investigation.

I thought that is what this meant.

What does waiver mean?

I honestly don't understand legal speak.

TIA

In the letter waiver context I'm not sure . I was looking for the outline of what he wrote why this should not be a dealth penalty case to see what's on there but I certainly don't remember 130 specific factual entries so perhaps I'm mixing up to very different things.

[Neffy]

Me either, but I will say that they would have had a better chance to try to say, yes, she did this, here is why....she had some break with reality after the birth of her child or she had some sort of mental breakdown after Caylee's accidental death. (don't get me wrong, I don't think this is what happened)

Stick with the Nanny story, she has not a chance in he!!.

Either way, she is going to lose. And now, the possiblity of death is hanging over her head. She and Jose royally messed up. They should have said it was an accident and tried to get a deal. Now no one will believe anything they have to say.

The facts are pretty damning in this case. IMO


Yes SODDI defense (some other dude did it) and good luck finding them (as they don't exist). Casey and the Anthony's will stick to no one saw her do it so that's good enough for them. They can't understand why this won't float.

[Neffy]

101Spots couldn't find the whole thing but did post this in case you missed....http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey0608nov06,0,7406889.story

It's kinda like an outline.

2w4u

Tx, and to Spots to! "The 30-page packet highlights problems with some of the evidence and describes how aspects of Anthony's case do not fit the state criteria for the death penalty -- a sentence reserved for the worst of the worst homicides"

Then this must be it then, why the DP shouldn't be used in this case and as he explains why it does not meet the criteria to be able to put the DP on the table (which it most certainly does!) but its his rebuttal.

[kakax]

Tx, and to Spots to! "The 30-page packet highlights problems with some of the evidence and describes how aspects of Anthony's case do not fit the state criteria for the death penalty -- a sentence reserved for the worst of the worst homicides"

Then this must be it then, why the DP shouldn't be used in this case and as he explains why it does not meet the criteria to be able to put the DP on the table (which it most certainly does!).



IIRC, he was hypothetically trying to say it was an accident and because of her mental issues she didn't report it. All hypothetically though. Not really admitting that, but stating it COULD have been the case. All of this was before the body was found.

[kakax]

I was just looking up the meaning and posted part of the definition.

2w4u

I saw that. Was helpful. I think then "waiver" referred to the 30 page letter sent to the SA's office hoping they would waive the death penalty. I'm probably wrong though LOL!

[kakax]

OT, is anyone posting over at the Le thread? Is it true that they found her in the wall? Can't imagine that it took the police this long to find her.

I think I am going to pop over there to see what they are saying.

[kakax]

It is my understanding that you must be a convicted felon to be tried in a DP case.
That that is the reason to try the forgery case first.
Am I wrong in thinking that. I know I read it on this board.

TIA



I don't think you have to be. It certainly helps in the penalty phase to be able to say this isn't her first brush with the law, though.

Before this, the defense would have been able to say...she has never been convicted of a crime before...have leniency on her.

[Neffy]

It is my understanding that you must be a convicted felon to be tried in a DP case.
That that is the reason to try the forgery case first.
Am I wrong in thinking that. I know I read it on this board.

TIA

Never heard or read that regarding Florida Law.

[need2no]

From the Orlando Sentinel:
The 30-page packet highlights problems with some of the evidence, defines how details in Anthony’s case does not fit the state criteria needed for the death penalty — a penalty reserved for the worst of the worst homicides.

It touches on Anthony’s erratic behavior after her daughter’s birth that suggests signs of emotional or mental distress. The report ended with pictures of Anthony during happier times as a child surrounded by her parents and her brother.

“Casey Anthony is a unique individual. A close inspection of her case clearly supports not filing a notice seeking death,” attorney Terence Lenamon wrote in a report obtained by the Orlando Sentinel.
The State Attorney’s Office would not confirm whether it received the report, which is not public record. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie, who was reported missing on July 15. The body of Caylee — who would have turned 3 in August — has not been found.

http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/casey-anthonys-attorney-wants-death-penalty-off-the-table/


Baby photos of casey which Lenamon included in the package:

http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/17912435/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=b

[need2no]

Never heard or read that regarding Florida Law.


Me either, or any state for that matter.

[LilGirl]

Hi eveyone. Been trying to keep up while in the middle of a move.

I have now listened to the recording from Padilla and his associates. How telling they are as to just how consumed Casey is with herself and her total lack of emotion for anyone else. Those recordings, if played in court to the jury, should be as damning as the recordings of SP talking to AF.

No matter what wild theory her defence team throws out to the jury you can't get past a mountain of forensics and those recordings.

And now, I am loving that the Pros is asking for the defence evidence. Going to be really hard to produce something that does not exist.

Have to get back to my boxes that await unpacking but will be reading the board every day.

Take care all

Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy! Just got back to Texas, (S.A.) from a week at my 'real' home in Alabama (no internet there!) and where are the recordings of Padilla & Co.? Oh please, gimme a link.......:tongueside:

[kakax]

OT, it is true about Le. They did find a body in the wall at the university. Just saw the report on one of the local news stations websites where they had broken into programming to break the news. Police had a presser that just said the id of the body had not taken place yet.

[need2no]

Here is what I am referring to....I'm sorry to be so confusing this evening.

http://home.c2i.net/sissel.norway/flori.html

(1) SEPARATE PROCEEDINGS ON ISSUE OF PENALTY. Upon conviction or adjudication of guilt of a defendant of a capital felony, the court shall conduct a separate sentencing proceeding to determine whether the defendant should be sentenced to death or life imprisonment as authorized by s. 775.082


2w4u


What that is saying as best as I can explain....after a defendant has been found guilty of a capital felony by the jury, there is another mini trial (so to speak) afterwards for the sentencing phase to determine LWOP or a death sentence.

Trial= to determine guilty or innocent of charges brought forth
Sentencing trial= to determine life without parole or death sentence

The jurors convene twice.

Hope this makes sense.

[need2no]

Red: When Casey is found guilty of murdering Caylee......

Blue: ....... the jury will determine whether she will be put to death or not.

Well dang, you sure did a better job of explaining than I did. :smile:

[kakax]

Here is what I am referring to....I'm sorry to be so confusing this evening.

http://home.c2i.net/sissel.norway/flori.html

(1) SEPARATE PROCEEDINGS ON ISSUE OF PENALTY. Upon conviction or adjudication of guilt of a defendant of a capital felony, the court shall conduct a separate sentencing proceeding to determine whether the defendant should be sentenced to death or life imprisonment as authorized by s. 775.082


2w4u


Oh, I see what you mean.

That just means that the person accused must be found guilty of a capital felony (an offense that is eligible for the death penalty) before the case goes to the jury for the penalty phase of death or life in prison.

That is just explaining that there is a separate proceeding from the actual trial. In other words, the jury is not going to decide if she gets the death penalty at the same time they find her guilty of first degree murder. They will have convene again to deliberate and decide if she gets life or death.

[kakax]

Well dang, you sure did a better job of explaining than I did. :smile:

LOL, I want to delete my post now!!

[kakax]

Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy! Just got back to Texas, (S.A.) from a week at my 'real' home in Alabama (no internet there!) and where are the recordings of Padilla & Co.? Oh please, gimme a link.......:tongueside:


http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Glad you had a safe trip!

[need2no]

LOL, I want to delete my post now!!

:laugh: Unlike us, Spots cut to the chase.

[kakax]

:laugh: Unlike us, Spots cut to the chase.

You'd think I'd be a professional explainer with two younger children. Maybe this is why they look at me all the time like I have grown a 3rd head!

[seeing_eye]

So if Lenamon refused to join the team and go along with Jose's ~brilliant~ ideas about Casey's defense, what does that say about Andrea Lyon? That she was willing/eager enough to swallow the drivel Jose has been spouting?

Well, she did say that, although she had not studied the case, she knew Casey was innocent of the charge of murder at her first news conference. Sounds like she may have swallowed a lot of drivel.

[need2no]

Point taken.

"I see money. I'll look at the facts of the case later."

MOO

Yep, "I see free promotion for my new book. No need to worry about facts in the case I'll catch up later, heck I've never lost one yet."

[need2no]

May Andrea be baptized into the Losers Club on this one.

That's a big AMEN!!

[True2Blues]

Well, she did say that, although she had not studied the case, she knew Casey was innocent of the charge of murder at her first news conference. Sounds like she may have swallowed a lot of drivel.

All she cares about is the opportunity to bang her Anti Death Penalty drum. Often attorneys who are against the DP will say anything to keep a client from getting sentenced to death. And I do mean anything.

[Imperfect4]

From the Orlando Sentinel:
The 30-page packet highlights problems with some of the evidence, defines how details in Anthony’s case does not fit the state criteria needed for the death penalty — a penalty reserved for the worst of the worst homicides.

It touches on Anthony’s erratic behavior after her daughter’s birth that suggests signs of emotional or mental distress. The report ended with pictures of Anthony during happier times as a child surrounded by her parents and her brother.

“Casey Anthony is a unique individual. A close inspection of her case clearly supports not filing a notice seeking death,” attorney Terence Lenamon wrote in a report obtained by the Orlando Sentinel.
The State Attorney’s Office would not confirm whether it received the report, which is not public record. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie, who was reported missing on July 15. The body of Caylee — who would have turned 3 in August — has not been found.

http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/casey-anthonys-attorney-wants-death-penalty-off-the-table/


Baby photos of casey which Lenamon included in the package:

http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/17912435/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=b

I must've blocked those photos from my memory the first time I saw them.

Identical smile as a baby we see today in her pics. LKL: Weird.

Not nearly as beautiful as her daughter. I think I know now what I see in Caylee's beautiful little presence that is absent in Casey's.

RIP, baby girl :rose:

[Imperfect4]

:laugh: Unlike us, Spots cut to the chase.

Yeah, well ...

Why say in one brief, clear sentence what you can kinda say in an entire paragraph or six? :laugh:

[need2no]

Yeah, well ...

Why say in one brief, clear sentence what you can kinda say in an entire paragraph or six? :laugh:

LOL, that would be me....details, details. (just ask my hubby)

I bet a psychologist could have a field day analyzing all of us from our posts. >sitting on hands, but I know what you're thinking, me too<

:laugh:

[eastside joe]

While I have time alone I'm going to start off where I left off last night. Is it possible that Casey Anthony got involved with a sophisticated drug gang that in some way caused the accidental death of Caylee. This is just one of many stories that I was talking about last night.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-orlando-westside-gang-bust-080209,0,6598571.story


No it's not possible.

[legalmania]

No it's not possible.

Why is it not possible. You've never heard of this kind of thing happening?

[legalmania]

LOL, that would be me....details, details. (just ask my hubby)

I bet a psychologist could have a field day analyzing all of us from our posts. >sitting on hands, but I know what you're thinking, me too<

:laugh:

How about a jury consultant, what do you think they think of you?

[eastside joe]

Why is it not possible. You've never heard of this kind of thing happening?

In this case it's not possible. Not in a million years legal. You know it and I know it and if you don't know you never will know. NIghty NIght leeg's.

[legalmania]

But you believe Caseys lies now? And are coming up with crazy drug gang theories without a shred of evidence? :confused:


Unbelievable.....just unbelievable.......

How do you know there is no evidence have you seen the files?

[legalmania]

In this case it's not possible. Not in a million years legal. You know it and I know it and if you don't know you never will know. NIghty NIght leeg's.

Goodnight but, you may find a big surprise at the trial.

[legalmania]

It doesn't matter what they think of me. It's all about what they think of the 12 people who will be sitting on this jury.:tonguewag:

Actually it does matter. Jury consultants are being asked to go to sites and feel around. It will be the first time in history anything like this is being done.

[kakax]

Actually it does matter. Jury consultants are being asked to go to sites and feel around. It will be the first time in history anything like this is being done.

How would that help them seat a jury? We all sit behind a screen, with a made up name. They don't know how old we are, how educated, whether not we are men or women, married not married, childless, etc....

[need2no]

How about a jury consultant, what do you think they think of you?

I have no idea. You think they like detail people?

Generally my background (work experience) makes me undesirable to sit on a jury.

[Pruddennce]

Why is it not possible. You've never heard of this kind of thing happening?

casey and the scary gangs? nah....she was too busy fussing over which tattoo to get and what boy was in her sights....attempting to keep up with a lifestyle she could not have....

therefore, she pretended to be successful, with money and a nanny.....

the only time Casey had money is when she stole from her family....then her friend Ryan, then grandmom....eventually Amy. probably lots of strangers as well....

there is not one piece of evidence shown to date that points to drug dealers and casey....in fact, she had no withdrawal symptoms while in jail, hence, she wasnt an addict.

and she certainly was not making a few bucks selling it....she's not that ambitious...and its a job of sorts...and we all know Casey wasnt into 'working'...:D

there is, however, plenty of evidence of a relationship that turned DEADLY: Casey and Cindy.

mom touts Casey on myspace that she is wondering 'who is watching out for the little angel'...why does Cindy ask? because she knows firsthand Casey isnt competent...in fact, casey is, in her opinion a sociopath......expressed to Ryan P several weeks before 'the event of June 15th'.....

also, CIndy uses a strange word on her little blog: BETRAYAL. I find that interesting, odd and wierd.

not a drug addict, nor a drug runner (too complicated and lazy) and no fuel to get around. needs money to buy other things, get a tattoo, money to pay her phone bill, etc.

Casey was all about 'the boys', going out and figuring out when to use a bogus work email to have Cindy watch Caylee a/k/a 'nites out, cant bring the child'.

when she simply wanted to hang out in a friend's apt, it was "daytime nanny is available to watch Caylee overnite'....a./k/a take caylee along because the gang is not going out...toss her on the couch.

Caylee was talking more, in fact I think she was a bit behind in communicating. her lies to Cindy were not going to last much longer, in fact I think Casey got a break....she was babbling in between words.....at almost 3.

seems like there was not enough interaction with her, because she was obviously bright, but not being taught anything daily (OBVIOUSLY------>just review Casey's cell phone bills...where was Caylee time?)

IMO, she left the house to go to her pretend job, then came back and spent the day texting, putering and brainstorming where her next dollar was going to be lifted from.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[legalmania]

How would that help them seat a jury? We all sit behind a screen, with a made up name. They don't know how old we are, how educated, whether not we are men or women, married not married, childless, etc....

That's the best part the mystery we make up voir dire and see what happens? We don't know if it's a man, women, what race it's great stuff.

[need2no]

Actually it does matter. Jury consultants are being asked to go to sites and feel around. It will be the first time in history anything like this is being done.

~My bold~


HUH????

[legalmania]

I have no idea. You think they like detail people?

Generally my background (work experience) makes me undesirable to sit on a jury.

What do you mean detail? Then I can answer.

[need2no]

What do you mean detail? Then I can answer.

I thought your guestion to me was based on the fact that I admitted in a post upthread I was a detail kinda person. So since you asked what I thought jury consultants would think of me, I wondered if you thought jury consultants liked detail people.

My head is spinning after typing that..........

[legalmania]

casey and the scary gangs? nah....she was too busy fussing over which tattoo to get and what boy was in her sights....attempting to keep up with a lifestyle she could not have....

therefore, she pretended to be successful, with money and a nanny.....

the only time Casey had money is when she stole from her family....then her friend Ryan, then grangran grandma eventually. probably lots of strangers as well....

there is not one piece of evidence shown to date that points to drug dealers and casey....in fact, she had no withdrawal symptoms while in jail, hence, she wasnt wasn'ttdict.



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seems like there was not enough interaction with her, because she was obviously bright, but not being taught anything daily (OBVIOUSLY------>just review Casey's cell phone bills...where was Caylee time?) e left

IMhe lef left the house to go to her pretend job, then came back and spent the day texting, punstormian whererming wngre her nextnext dostorming going to be lifted from.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

OK where did she get the clorform ? Where was she getting xanax? Why was it when she got the news of Caylee being found the first thing she asked for was a xanax, don't tell me she hadn't ever tried some.

[legalmania]

I thought your guestion to me was based on the fact that I admitted in a post upthread I was a detail kinda person. So since you asked what I thought jury consultants would think of me, I wondered if you thought jury consultants liked detail people.

My head is spinning after typing that..........

I don't remember writing anything about being a detail kinda person but there is just so much to picking a jury. We like organized, common sense, confrontational, unbiased people, educated. The list goes on.

[kakax]

OK where did she get the clorform ? Where was she getting xanax? Why was it when she got the news of Caylee being found the first thing she asked for was a xanax, don't tell me she hadn't ever tried some.

Since she was looking up how to make choloroform, I assume she was trying to make it.

What evidence do you have that she specifically asked for xanax when she learned of the body being found? I know she asked for "something" but I didn't realize she specifically wanted a xanax.

These drug dealers took Caylee, because?
These mean old drug dealers put a heart sticker over the duct tape, because?

[legalmania]

It's late board see you all sometime.:seeya:

[kakax]

OK where did she get the clorform ? Where was she getting xanax? Why was it when she got the news of Caylee being found the first thing she asked for was a xanax, don't tell me she hadn't ever tried some.

You really messed up Pru's post LOL! I had to check the original to see if my eyes were not seeing things clearly the first time around.

[legalmania]

Since she was looking up how to make choloroform, I assume she was trying to make it.

What evidence do you have that she specifically asked for xanax when she learned of the body being found? I know she asked for "something" but I didn't realize she specifically wanted a xanax.

These drug dealers took Caylee, because?
These mean old drug dealers put a heart sticker over the duct tape, because?


I can't be sure if they helped her wrap Caylees body. I just think when they found out that she was dead they told Casey to leave and if she said anything, her whole family would pay. Only with all the press there they just booked it. To another country. These people are now ghost.

[Pruddennce]

OK where did she get the clorform ? Where was she getting xanax? Why was it when she got the news of Caylee being found the first thing she asked for was a xanax, don't tell me she hadn't ever tried some.

chloroform? as if she needs to be involved in a 'drug gang' to know what or how that is made or acquired? google is everyone's friend and IIRC someone googled it on the home computer......

there were levels in the car however, Im not convinced it was not derived from poolshock mixed in with various other chemicals that the anthonys used to SCRUB OUT THE STAIN.....

I need to refresh my brain on the chemical results...it was a bit complicated IIRC....

zanax....who gave that statement as to what she said?

I didnt say she didnt try things....her friends did talk about rec use...in fact, one of them went off the tape....

however, there is no evidence that she was rushed to medical for DETOX....there was no withdrawal episode and you know that would have hit the news in a heartbeat.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[legalmania]

You really messed up Pru's post LOL! I had to check the original to see if my eyes were not seeing things clearly the first time around.


How did I mess up Pru's post?

[kakax]

How did I mess up Pru's post?



I'm not sure, but when posting Pru's post alot of her post was deleted or mixed up. Not a big deal. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. I don't normally stay up this late so I thought...what is wrong with me?

Read your quote of Pru's post.

[legalmania]

chloroform? as if she needs to be involved in a 'drug gang' to know what or how that is made or acquired? google is everyone's friend and IIRC someone googled it on the home computer......

there were levels in the car however, Im not convinced it was not derived from poolshock mixed in with various other chemicals that the anthonys used to SCRUB OUT THE STAIN.....

I need to refresh my brain on the chemical results...it was a bit complicated IIRC....

zanax....who gave that statement as to what she said?

I didnt say she didnt try things....her friends did talk about rec use...in fact, one of them went off the tape....

however, there is no evidence that she was rushed to medical for DETOX....there was no withdrawal episode and you know that would have hit the news in a heartbeat.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

It takes a lot and a long time to get so hooked on xanax that you need to detox. I think she was a weekend user, with her height and weight she wouldn't need much.

[need2no]

I can't be sure if they helped her wrap Caylees body. I just think when they found out that she was dead they told Casey to leave and if she said anything, her whole family would pay. Only with all the press there they just booked it. To another country. These people are now ghost.

Hey if your theory were true, casey would probably be thrilled to have the rest of her family out of the way. She'd probably help the drug cartel do them in. Protect them? I think not.

[legalmania]

I'm not sure, but when posting Pru's post alot of her post was deleted or mixed up. Not a big deal. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. I don't normally stay up this late so I thought...what is wrong with me?

Read your quote of Pru's post.

I don't know what happened either, but my lights flickered and I lost the sight had to sign back on. It reads like code now.

[Pruddennce]

I can't be sure if they helped her wrap Caylees body. I just think when they found out that she was dead they told Casey to leave and if she said anything, her whole family would pay. Only with all the press there they just booked it. To another country. These people are now ghost.

I like fiction occasionally......

drug dealers who were fully intent on intimidating Casey so she wouldnt tell on them?

but then:

I guess she figured out they left the country and wouldnt mind her telling her PHANTOM NANNY STORY, which her entire family vouches for ????!! soooooooo, the parents and Lee are in on the drug dealers being responsible and threatening the entire family (they dont want to die)....so they agree, yes, we knew 'of' the nanny for FOUR YEARS, she had a puppy and and and and....... :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[legalmania]

Hey if your theory were true, casey would probably be thrilled to have the rest of her family out of the way. She'd probably help the drug cartel do them in. Protect them? I think not.

No, she loves them and they love her. I think if anything happening to Lee she would die. What I've read so far about the prosecutions case it really isn't that strong. Of course we've only seen about an 1/8th of the case.

[need2no]

No, she loves them and they love her. I think if anything happening to Lee she would die. What I've read so far about the prosecutions case it really isn't that strong. Of course we've only seen about an 1/8th of the case.

Seriously...you must be reading emails from Cindy or Baez if you don't think the pros. has a strong case against casey. You really think the A's are one big happy family in a love fest?

[kakax]

It takes a lot and a long time to get so hooked on xanax that you need to detox. I think she was a weekend user, with her height and weight she wouldn't need much.


I'm really glad it was just weekends. It might have messed with her getting up and going to work. It was a tough schedule.:tonguewag:

[need2no]

I'm really glad it was just weekends. It might have messed with her getting up and going to work. It was a tough schedule.:tonguewag:

~~~~~:lol: :lol:~~~~~~

[legalmania]

I like fiction occasionally......

drug dealers who were fully intent on intimidating Casey so she wouldnt tell on them?

but then:

I guess she figured out they left the country and wouldnt mind her telling her PHANTOM NANNY STORY, which her entire family vouches for ????!! soooooooo, the parents and Lee are in on the drug dealers being responsible and threatening the entire family (they dont want to die)....so they agree, yes, we knew 'of' the nanny for FOUR YEARS, she had a puppy and and and and....... :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

ZFG is a ghost so of course it won't matter. She doesn't know where they are, I was thinking they booked. If you think this is fiction I will in a couple of days send you real cases that are on file of stories just like this one. It will be about 40 pages gotta warn you. C & G don't know anything except what Casey has said to them.

[legalmania]

Seriously...you must be reading emails from Cindy or Baez if you don't think the pros. has a strong case against casey. You really think the A's are one big happy family in a love fest?

There are two sides to every story, I have heard very little from the defense. They have some very strong experts and attorneys. I don't pay attention to anybodies e-mails but my own. There has been so much gossip in this case the trial is the only thing I'm gonna believe.

[legalmania]

I really have to go, I gotta get up and work in a few hours. People depend on me. Carry on.

[LilGirl]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Glad you had a safe trip!

Asked the question, went to bed. Woke up. There's the link!!!
Thank you Kakax!!!:wink:

[Kathlb]

Hey if your theory were true, casey would probably be thrilled to have the rest of her family out of the way. She'd probably help the drug cartel do them in. Protect them? I think not.

Whatever your agenda is legalmania, it's not working. :-) You must read a lot of James Patterson books. There is no smoking gun here or smoking drug dealers. :-) Casey did it for one reason, Caylee was in her way. MOO

[desmom]

Since she was looking up how to make choloroform, I assume she was trying to make it.

What evidence do you have that she specifically asked for xanax when she learned of the body being found? I know she asked for "something" but I didn't realize she specifically wanted a xanax.

These drug dealers took Caylee, because?
These mean old drug dealers put a heart sticker over the duct tape, because?

IIRC, Casey asked for a sedative.

Casey said in a text or im she could xanax from Annie. Annie denied ever giving Casey xanax.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

:bored:And the hits just keep on coming!!!

[apothecary]

OMG...This is actually the first time I arrive and there is absolutely no one anywhere near this board/thread. The member/guest indicator is totally empty. No one but my name on it.
Unbelievable.:scared:
.
I see we are looking at the drug cartel/gang/hot dog business/kidnapping killing scenario, again. LOL
When Caylee was first reported missing,the drug cartel thing crossed my mind,but as evidence demonstrated that this was not the case.An accident was also a possibility,but again evidence refuted this theory.
Good morning everyone.I have just a few moments for a quick read and then off to work I go.

[cassidy]

No, she loves them and they love her. I think if anything happening to Lee she would die. What I've read so far about the prosecutions case it really isn't that strong. Of course we've only seen about an 1/8th of the case.


too bad she didn't feel that way about her daughter :(

[Irestmycase]

No, she loves them and they love her. I think if anything happening to Lee she would die. What I've read so far about the prosecutions case it really isn't that strong. Of course we've only seen about an 1/8th of the case.

Casey loves one person and one person ONLY...... HERSELF! She proved that when she killed her beautiful little CAYLEE and didn't even shed a tear. She has no heart, no soul and no remorse.

[Irestmycase]

There are two sides to every story, I have heard very little from the defense. They have some very strong experts and attorneys. I don't pay attention to anybodies e-mails but my own. There has been so much gossip in this case the trial is the only thing I'm gonna believe.

You have heard very little from the defense because there is no defense. There will be no smoking gun here. I can assure you of that. They have strong experts and attorneys because their looking for this case to give them attention and publicity. I hope it backfires on them and they end up like Henry Lee who has lost all credibility.

[Dells]

OK where did she get the clorform ? Where was she getting xanax? Why was it when she got the news of Caylee being found the first thing she asked for was a xanax, don't tell me she hadn't ever tried some.

We don't even know for sure that there was actually chloroform. It could have been a by product of cleaning solutions and/or decomposition. The whole chloroform connection could just be as simple as Casey saw what RM had on his my space page and she looked it up. It may or may not go any further than that.

I think it is interesting to try to come up w/possible defense strategies that the defense is going to use, but I really don't think there is a drug connection in this case. If they go that route they will but shut down very quickly by the prosecution. This is a simple case of a mother murdering her child and trying (very poorly I might add) to cover it up. First of all, if there was a drug connection and it was a sophisticated gang of drug dealers that kidnapped and murdered Caylee, then Caylee's body would never have been found, and there wouldn't be evidence of Caylee's decomposing body being in the trunk of her mother's car. I also think that if Casey did something so horrible to this gang of drug dealers that in retaliation they murdered her daughter, then they would have gone ahead and murdered Casey too. After all, Casey is the person that Casey loves the most and if they really wanted to hurt her where it counts, they would have murdered her too. Plus, if they really wanted to get back at her, why stop at Caylee? Why not move on to her parents or brother or extended family?

[cassidy]

We don't even know for sure that there was actually chloroform. It could have been a by product of cleaning solutions and/or decomposition. The whole chloroform connection could just be as simple as Casey saw what RM had on his my space page and she looked it up. It may or may not go any further than that.

I think it is interesting to try to come up w/possible defense strategies that the defense is going to use, but I really don't think there is a drug connection in this case. If they go that route they will but shut down very quickly by the prosecution. This is a simple case of a mother murdering her child and trying (very poorly I might add) to cover it up. First of all, if there was a drug connection and it was a sophisticated gang of drug dealers that kidnapped and murdered Caylee, then Caylee's body would never have been found, and there wouldn't be evidence of Caylee's decomposing body being in the trunk of her mother's car. I also think that if Casey did something so horrible to this gang of drug dealers that in retaliation they murdered her daughter, then they would have gone ahead and murdered Casey too. After all, Casey is the person that Casey loves the most and if they really wanted to hurt her where it counts, they would have murdered her too. Plus, if they really wanted to get back at her, why stop at Caylee? Why not move on to her parents or brother or extended family?

IF Casey was involved in any way with a "drug cartel" she was at the bottom of the line. She may have been able to finger a drug runner or two but there is NO WAY she was a danger to those higher up. They would have had nothing to fear from Casey Anthony. That theory simply doesn't hold any water. PERIOD

JMO

[Kathlb]

IF Casey was involved in any way with a "drug cartel" she was at the bottom of the line. She may have been able to finger a drug runner or two but there is NO WAY she was a danger to those higher up. They would have had nothing to fear from Casey Anthony. That theory simply doesn't hold any water. PERIOD

JMO

I really really hope that legalmania is from the defense and that they are going to try that theory about a drug cartel. :w00t: That will be a great show and cause much laughter in the courtroom including the jurors. :thumbsup: