Caylee Anthony 9/12

[legalmania]

It's Saturday time for a new thread.

[Dunlurken]

It's Saturday time for a new thread.

Dang, how do I delete my thread?

[Neffy]

Dang, how do I delete my thread?

Hey Dunnie,

Probably timed out for you to do anything. Let it fall. :)

[legalmania]

Dang, how do I delete my thread?

You didn't I think I got there just a flee hair above you. Sorry

[Dunlurken]

Hey Dunnie,

Probably timed out for you to do anything. Let it fall. :)Will do.
I never can seem to delete a thread quick enough (plus I don't know how, maybe that's the reason). I'll let the other one fall.

I forgot what I was talking about on the other thread. Oh, should George and Cindy plead the 5th while testifying. I said, "yes", in order not to implicate themselves in a cover-up. JMO.

[legalmania]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

[Dunlurken]

You didn't I think I got there just a flee hair above you. Sorry

we're good. CW will delete it. Let's keep this one up.

[bchand]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

No
No
No
I don't think ZFG exists.

[Neffy]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

ZFG = Casey. Yes to everything accept #3. There was no kidnapping.

[Dunlurken]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

No to all three of your questions. JMO.

[Neffy]

No
No
No
I don't think ZFG exists.

Well we have both halves of the apple going LOL

[Dunlurken]

ZFG = Casey. Yes to everything accept #3. There was no kidnapping.

It's so strange the way different people perceive things. You are right that Zanny the Nanny is Casey. Boy, is this confusing or what?

[Neffy]

It's so strange the way different people perceive things. You are right that Zanny the Nanny is Casey. Boy, is this confusing or what?

Your right. We're all saying the same thing from a different view point.

[really3997]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

I have been trying for sometime to find the interview Channel 6 did with ZG in the diner where her face is blacked out. I thought that she had stated she lost her DL in that interview. Since Channel 6 switched over to Clickorlando I cannot locate many videos. Does anyone know where I can find it.

Oh and no, no. and a BIG no

[legalmania]

we're good. CW will delete it. Let's keep this one up.

Well I just asked her to delete one or the other because it's gonna get confusing. We don't need that yet.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Cury-us Coyote
Morgan & Morgan filed NEW motions to compel D Casey to appear at depositon (with exhibits)
http://www.forthepeople.com/casey-anthony-case.htm
http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf
http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_D.pdf


Do you ever wonder what is said among the attorneys and the Judge when they have those "muted" meetings at the Judge's bench? I do. It's in one of the exhibits filed by Morgan/Mitnik. I found it far easier to read the transcript, than I did to listen to the court hearing.


And, here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the Civil Case.

9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLTAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - B FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - C FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - D FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Motion to Compel Motion to Compel DOMINIC CASEY'S APPEARANCE AT DEPOSITION FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - A PART 1 OF 2 FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLTAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - A PART 2 OF 2 FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA

[Deannalynn]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

There is NO ZFG...Not the person Casey described..


Casey killed Caylee Marie Anthony.

[Sun]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

IMO, yes, Casey does. Or at least Casey wants everyone else to believe this. JMO

[bchand]

Do you ever wonder what is said among the attorneys and the Judge when they have those "muted" meetings at the Judge's bench? I do. It's in one of the exhibits filed by Morgan/Mitnik. I found it far easier to read the transcript, than I did to listen to the court hearing.


And, here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the Civil Case.

9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLTAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - B FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - C FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - D FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Motion to Compel Motion to Compel DOMINIC CASEY'S APPEARANCE AT DEPOSITION FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - A PART 1 OF 2 FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA
9/11/2009 Exhibits in Support of Exhibit in Support of PLTAINTIFF'S NEW MOTION TO COMPEL - A PART 2 OF 2 FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA

Yes, Cury mentioned that last night. We could read where the judge was reprimanding Casey's attorney for her snarky words and said he would not tolerate it in court. I see where Conway says that he could hear almost all of it so maybe that's why they included it? Very strange.

[legalmania]

I have been trying for sometime to find the interview Channel 6 did with ZG in the diner where her face is blacked out. I thought that she had stated she lost her DL in that interview. Since Channel 6 switched over to Clickorlando I cannot locate many videos. Does anyone know where I can find it.

Oh and no, no. and a BIG no

Then how the heck is she ever gonna win a defamation case when nobody believes she exists? People believe Casey has been lying about ZFG. If ZFG lost her driver license what is to stop somebody from stealing her identity? Maybe the ZFG Casey was dealing with was an impostor.

[Dunlurken]

Then how the heck is she ever gonna win a defamation case when nobody believes she exists? People believe Casey has been lying about ZFG. If ZFG lost her driver license what is to stop somebody from stealing her identity? Maybe the ZFG Casey was dealing with was an impostor.

I thought the case was bogus from day one. Here's one thing that puzzles me though. Wasn't the name ZFG mentioned for a long, long time? Or was it just Zanny?

How could Casey "pick" that name from Sawgrass when ZFG had been mentioned for a long time, according to George and Cindy. Or was the name just Zanny, the Nanny? That would be good to know. JMO.

[legalmania]

Here is the F.S. for defarmation .

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0836/SEC04.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0836-%3ESection%2004#0836.04

[Jeepers]

Just my two cents...

Casey had a resume that George saw on the resume it listed Casey as a Nanny. George did question her but oh well.
Casey told George & Cindy Zanny was 5"3 tall a little thicker on the sides more than Casey weighs about 140 lbs. Casey told George that Zanny was almost as tall as him.
The way Cindy and Casey talk about themselves and how Casey compared herself to being small like Caylee.
I think in her twisted little mind she was drawing things about herself when describing Zanny to them

I am thinking some kinda crazy way that Casey got Zanny's DL don't know how but I think she did. She just knew two much about her in a backward kinda way.

Here's your change back. Thank you

[legalmania]

I thought the case was bogus from day one. Here's one thing that puzzles me though. Wasn't the name ZFG mentioned for a long, long time? Or was it just Zanny?

How could Casey "pick" that name from Sawgrass when ZFG had been mentioned for a long time, according to George and Cindy. Or was the name just Zanny, the Nanny? That would be good to know. JMO.

According to Annie Downing depo she said she believed that there was a babysitter. Even though Casey never said ZFG she never said it to anyone she knew including George or Cindy. The first time anyone every heard the name ZFG was when LE picked her up and started questioning her and she lead them to the Sawgrass apartments. IMO somebody got a hold of a ZFG identity and was using it.

[Dunlurken]

I thought George and Cindy, and Casey, said Zanny was a perfect 10. Beautiful white teeth, 5'7", etc. Can't remember the details, but that sounds like Casey to me, not the ZFG that has been on TV and who filed the defamation lawsuit.

In a twisted, sick way, Casey is describing herself. JMO. You have to admit, Casey was very pretty.

[neid_77]

According to the video ont his article:

the Defense has a Team leader from equusearch that is going to bebunk the whole prosecutions case becouse they say they searched that area and it was dry: who is this mystery person?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20838466/detail.html

it also says Nejames has no clue of who they are talking about becouse no one has come to Tim Miller claiming this and none of the team leaders they know of has ever said it..also i like the fact they probably will have to give up the name if they found this information from the discovery handed over to the defense..but my question where in the discovery have any of you read about..a person or person(s) that where there at the remains sight after the OC was jailed?

[legalmania]

Just my two cents...

Casey had a resume that George saw on the resume it listed Casey as a Nanny. George did question her but oh well.
Casey told George & Cindy Zanny was 5"3 tall a little thicker on the sides more than Casey weighs about 140 lbs. Casey told George that Zanny was almost as tall as him.
The way Cindy and Casey talk about themselves and how Casey compared herself to being small like Caylee.
I think in her twisted little mind she was drawing things about herself when describing Zanny to them

I am thinking some kinda crazy way that Casey got Zanny's DL don't know how but I think she did. She just knew two much about her in a backward kinda way.


Here's your change back. Thank you

But Casey didn't describe the ZFG that is suing and the ZFG that is suing claimed she never meet Casey. I saw the ZFG that is suing and she is not a perfect 10 IMO. I don't need the two cents some guy called me from Africa yesterday and said I won 1 million dollars.

[A.M.]

As far as the Anthony's pleading the 5th:

It worked for Mark Fuhrman in the O.J. Trial.

But - if they do plead the 5th - I'm hoping it works the opposite way in this trial. In that their lack of willingness to answer would lead the jury to believe they are covering for their daughter.

And, they would be.

[Dunlurken]

But Casey didn't describe the ZFG that is suing and the ZFG that is suing claimed she never meet Casey. I saw the ZFG that is suing and she is not a perfect 10 IMO. I don't need the two cents some guy called me from Africa yesterday and said I won 1 million dollars.

Casey described herself. It's all coming together for me and will for a jury. I still think an insanity defense could come about. split personality, etc.

[legalmania]

I thought George and Cindy, and Casey, said Zanny was a perfect 10. Beautiful white teeth, 5'7", etc. Can't remember the details, but that sounds like Casey to me, not the ZFG that has been on TV and who filed the defamation lawsuit.

In a twisted, sick way, Casey is describing herself. JMO. You have to admit, Casey was very pretty.

Is Casey that tall? I always thought she looked a little shorter.

[Dunlurken]

As far as the Anthony's pleading the 5th:

It worked for Mark Fuhrman in the O.J. Trial.

But - if they do plead the 5th - I'm hoping it works the opposite way in this trial. In that their lack of willingness to answer would lead the jury to believe they are covering for their daughter.

And, they would be.

Of course they are. I think everyone learned from OJ, pleading the 5th means you have something to hide. JMO.

[Jeepers]

But Casey didn't describe the ZFG that is suing and the ZFG that is suing claimed she never meet Casey. I saw the ZFG that is suing and she is not a perfect 10 IMO. I don't need the two cents some guy called me from Africa yesterday and said I won 1 million dollars.

Whoo Whoo You are now a member of the Africanized Million Club. They contacted me last month and told me I won and e-mailed them back and told them to donate my winnings to charity.

[Dunlurken]

Is Casey that tall? I always thought she looked a little shorter.

I don't remember how tall she is. I would guess 5'6, maybe a bit shorter. But the perfect 10 seems to fit her opinion of herself, and her parents opinions as well. JMO.

[legalmania]

Casey described herself. It's all coming together for me and will for a jury. I still think an insanity defense could come about. split personality, etc.

Read the bottom she is only 5'2 and 105 lbs and growing.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Anthony_Indictment.PDF

[legalmania]

Whoo Whoo You are now a member of the Africanized Million Club. They contacted me last month and told me I won and e-mailed them back and told them to donate my winnings to charity.

I told the guy to buy some food, shoes and make some wells for water with my million, for his people. He gave me a phone number but I'm not wasting my dime on that fool.

[Barbara fl.]

According to Annie Downing depo she said she believed that there was a babysitter. Even though Casey never said ZFG she never said it to anyone she knew including George or Cindy. The first time anyone every heard the name ZFG was when LE picked her up and started questioning her and she lead them to the Sawgrass apartments. IMO somebody got a hold of a ZFG identity and was using it.


Good morning all,

I believe that Mr. Grund heard about Zanny when Casey was working at Universal Studio's, but the timeing (which was found out thru this) was that Casey was fired around the same time....

Also George mentioned Zanny when talking to LE...he said that when he would mention Zanny to Caylee she would have no response, like she didn't know what he was talking about....And also Tone mentioned Zanny and asked Casey what it was short for....

So the name had been mentioned prior to all this....but I believe it was made up from day one...she must have had to say a name to other people, so she invented this name and stuck with it all this time.....JMO

[Deannalynn]

Then how the heck is she ever gonna win a defamation case when nobody believes she exists? People believe Casey has been lying about ZFG. If ZFG lost her driver license what is to stop somebody from stealing her identity? Maybe the ZFG Casey was dealing with was an impostor.

Lets say this is true. Okay but, the rest of the lies Casey told to LE with the place Zanny lived, where the mother supposedly lived, how long she knew her, where she came from etc. did not pan out at all. So, if there was an impostor they certainly would have been able to go up to the apartment that Casey pointed out and contact the manager and find out just who that said person really was. They had no information whatsoever and could not get any information to match anyone.
The apartment Casey pointed to was empty and had been empty for 5 months. That's when she changed her story and said she dropped Caylee off at the steps. (2 years old) yeah, right!

This murder case by the hands of Casey will be very telling and this jury will find her guilty. Again, as we all agree, the 31 days and no LE contact is what will put Casey away for life. Add on the rest of her lies and she's cooked!

[Jeepers]

I don't remember how tall she is. I would guess 5'6, maybe a bit shorter. But the perfect 10 seems to fit her opinion of herself, and her parents opinions as well. JMO.

Good morning Everyone,

The perfect 10 = Casey in twiddles's little head
Cindy being so rude to Zanny in the depo = you are cute but, you not a ten.
I would have had a smackdown with Cindy then and there!

Casey gets her high opinion of herself honestly. Cindy thinks she's a 10 too!

I just think that Casey just like what Cindy says "when Casey lies she tells the truth" Casey was dreaming up what Zanny looked like and she describes her height compared to George and she describes her weight compared to Casey.

[legalmania]

Casey described herself. It's all coming together for me and will for a jury. I still think an insanity defense could come about. split personality, etc.

Well she did tell Annie that she felt like she was going to have a nervous breakdown, but I think it is a little to late for that defense, she should have pleaded crazy a long time ago.

[Dunlurken]

Read the bottom she is only 5'2 and 105 lbs and growing.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Anthony_Indictment.PDF

Okay, thanks. She's 5'2. Wow, she's as short as me. She looks much taller. Maybe that was her perception of herself. JMO.

[Jeepers]

I told the guy to buy some food, shoes and make some wells for water with my million, for his people. He gave me a phone number but I'm not wasting my dime on that fool.

There you have it, right on here on this board are two charitable millionaires!
The first million I won I was not so charitable with my words but, I did tell them where to put ALL of my winnings.

I just don't know how it will turn out for Zanny but, if what she is saying is true that she has been subjected to harassment and loss of work etc because Casey did use her name and car description that the public does look at her as being involved with Caylee maybe she does have a good shot at winning her case.

I think Casey was the Nanny and Caylee spent several nights locked away in a Pontiac Sunfire.
jmo

[Neffy]

Good morning all,

I believe that Mr. Grund heard about Zanny when Casey was working at Universal Studio's, but the timeing (which was found out thru this) was that Casey was fired around the same time....

Also George mentioned Zanny when talking to LE...he said that when he would mention Zanny to Caylee she would have no response, like she didn't know what he was talking about....And also Tone mentioned Zanny and asked Casey what it was short for....

So the name had been mentioned prior to all this....but I believe it was made up from day one...she must have had to say a name to other people, so she invented this name and stuck with it all this time.....JMO


Zanny was Casey, George, Cindy, Lee. Whoever was watching Caylee Casey created the Nanny to save face, that Casey was independant, working and didn't need help from anyone. Anything to conceal she was a thief, liar and irresponsible solely dependant on everyone for everything.

[legalmania]

Lets say this is true. Okay but, the rest of the lies Casey told to LE with the place Zanny lived, where the mother supposedly lived, how long she knew her, where she came from etc. did not pan out at all. So, if there was an impostor they certainly would have been able to go up to the apartment that Casey pointed out and contact the manager and find out just who that said person really was. They had no information whatsoever and could not get any information to match anyone.
The apartment Casey pointed to was empty and had been empty for 5 months. That's when she changed her story and said she dropped Caylee off at the steps. (2 years old) yeah, right!

This murder case by the hands of Casey will be very telling and this jury will find her guilty. Again, as we all agree, the 31 days and no LE contact is what will put Casey away for life. Add on the rest of her lies and she's cooked!


According to Annie Downings testimony she said she lived at the Sawgrass apartments and never heard of ZFG however if this lady is an illegal and was using someones identity she would be lying as much as Casey, she could have booked it to Mexico and her relatives wouldn't give her up. But no matter what Casey is done. There is just nobody but her that could have committed this crime now I've always wondered about this Tony guy. It seems she meet him about the same time Caylee disappeared. He could have helped.

[legalmania]

There you have it, right on here on this board are two charitable millionaires!
The first million I won I was not so charitable with my words but, I did tell them where to put ALL of my winnings.

I just don't know how it will turn out for Zanny but, if what she is saying is true that she has been subjected to harassment and loss of work etc because Casey did use her name and car description that the public does look at her as being involved with Caylee maybe she does have a good shot at winning her case.

I think Casey was the Nanny and Caylee spent several nights locked away in a Pontiac Sunfire.
jmo

Do you think we'll get in trouble if we use it as a tax deduction next year?

[apothecary]

Well she did tell Annie that she felt like she was going to have a nervous breakdown, but I think it is a little to late for that defense, she should have pleaded crazy a long time ago.
I am not surprised she felt like she was having a nervous breakdown.She was constantly lying and living a pretend life that could have been exposed at anytime.Living on the edge like that takes its toll.

[Rapunzel]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?


No!!!

Steve Perry offered 1 million no questions asked for the nanny to come forward...LOL...Smart man...knows there is no nanny...LOL

I'll see Steve's million and raise him a million...:biggrin:

[martha]

Good morning everyone I sure hope I get some time today to read the last two days or so I have not been able to read and stay up with all you good posters. Is Lee still living with c and g ? I have not seen him in so long. g and c sure or keeping their tan going on. I guess they or useing the back yard and pool a lot now days. Or maybe they were on vac.some where while they were gone and got a lot of sun. This to c and g your sweet little gb gave you all of this. not having to work for over a year. CAYLEE is taking care of you all now. I sure hop casey payes for what she did to CAYLEE.jmho

[martha]

No!!!

Steve Perry offered 1 million no questions asked for the nanny to come forward...LOL...Smart man...knows there is no nanny...LOL

I'll see Steve's million and raise him a million...:biggrin:Now when he did that do you not think if there was a real nanny she would not come forward, I know she would have. there is no nanny. casey cindy geroge and lee have made up most of the story right from the start. They all knew what casey had done.jmho

[Jeepers]

Do you think we'll get in trouble if we use it as a tax deduction next year?

I would think that since we are such big givers the IRS would not have any problem with our claims. Just for your information I just checked my e-mail and have recieved a letter from Robert Mueller FBI investigating why I have not received my millions and they have found that it was a problem between me and the person wanting to give me the money.
I have not replied back yet. I will have to check my list of charities to see which one should benefit from my great windfall
These kinda creeps irk the he77 outta me.

[Jeepers]

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[legalmania]

There you have it, right on here on this board are two charitable millionaires!
The first million I won I was not so charitable with my words but, I did tell them where to put ALL of my winnings.

I just don't know how it will turn out for Zanny but, if what she is saying is true that she has been subjected to harassment and loss of work etc because Casey did use her name and car description that the public does look at her as being involved with Caylee maybe she does have a good shot at winning her case.

I think Casey was the Nanny and Caylee spent several nights locked away in a Pontiac Sunfire.
jmo

There is like 50 ZG in Orlando and I think two or three ZFG so why aren't the rest of them suing? I don't like sticking up for Casey she did not describe this lady she didn't know where she lived and ZFG said she didn't know Casey. I feel sorry for this attorney who's working his tail off for ZFG. I hope he gets something out of it.

[legalmania]

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We the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI Honolulu) United States of America have discovered through our intelligent monitoring network that you have a transaction going on as either inheritance payment, Lottery or contract payment in a tone of Millions of United States Dollars which have been approved but have not been settled. This is to officially inform you that we have verified your contract / inheritance file after close monitoring and found out why you have not received your payment, both on your part and on the part of your debtors.

Secondly, we have been informed that you are still dealing with the non officials in the bank who are attempting to secure the release of your fund to you. We wish to advise you that this is illegal and you should stop further communication with them forthwith because such an illegal act like this can lead to cancellation of your fund.

we have been having so many complains from people who have been scammed around the world hence, after concluding in a meeting with Members of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), we came to a conclusion that every payment will be made through the CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (CBN). We also concluded on the use of ELECTRONIC ATM PAYMENT SYSTEM as the only direct means to pay all beneficiaries.(say no to fraud)

By this method, your funds will be loaded in TWO BATCHES into an ATM card, and sent to you, from this card you can withdraw a maximum of us$20,000. Per day from any ATM machine worldwide, BUT from the financial houses there is no limit. So if you would like to receive your funds in this way please send your following information to the paying bank.

(1)Your Full Name: _____________
(2)Your Complete Address (Physical Address with Zip Code not
P.O.BOX) : _______________________
(3)Name of City of Residence:________________________________
(4)Country:_____________Direct Telephone Number:_____________
(5)Mobile Number:___________________Fax Number:______________
(6)Age:______Sex:______Occupation:________________ ___________
(7)Working Identity Card/Int'l Passport:___________,
Below are the contact details of the PAYING BANK (CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA) in the Federal Republic Of Nigeria to whom you will send your information
for the processing of the ATM card as soon as possible:

CONTACT PERSON:DR.ERNEST EBI
HEAD OF OPERATIONS, ATM CARD PAYMENT SYSTEM
DEBIT SETTLEMENT COMMISSION, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA.(CBN)
EMAIL:drernestebis9@live.com. call him on his Mobile Number @ +234-709-231-768-4

The DEBIT SETTLEMENT COMMISSION has been mandated to issue out your payments for this fiscal year 2009. Also for your information, you have to stop any further communication with any other person(s) or office(s) who claim that to be established agents using it to defraud innocent people worldwide. This is to avoid any hitches in receiving your payment.

WE ARE THE PRIDE OF AMERICA. God bless you and your family.
God bless United State of America
God bless Federal Republic of Nigeria. Faithfully Yours,

MR .ROBERT S. MUELLER, III
FOR COROPORATE AFFAIRS
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION (FBI Honolulu)
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Faithfully Yours,

FBI Director
Robert S. Mueller, III

Can you believe this!

Maybe I will split my money between Kinfinders and the A's

No kidding this needs to be stopped there some folks that fall for these scams

I know my friend got a new one they wanted him to send them $75 and they would give him 1 million. We just delete the e-mails but yesterday they called, I like to know how they got my number?

[Rapunzel]

There is like 50 ZG in Orlando and I think two or three ZFG so why aren't the rest of them suing? I don't like sticking up for Casey she did not describe this lady she didn't know where she lived and ZFG said she didn't know Casey. I feel sorry for this attorney who's working his tail off for ZFG. I hope he gets something out of it.


Well, I guess he already has...he has got lots of TV air time and publicity in this case...I don't live in Florida and would never had heard of Morgan & Morgan...but I know who they are now...

[legalmania]

I am not surprised she felt like she was having a nervous breakdown.She was constantly lying and living a pretend life that could have been exposed at anytime.Living on the edge like that takes its toll.

It baffles me how she lies so calmly. I start shaking, I stink at lying. I forget to easily. She has to have some kind of mental problem.

[legalmania]

Well, I guess he already has...he has got lots of TV air time and publicity in this case...I don't live in Florida and would never had heard of Morgan & Morgan...but I know who they are now...

Yes but now everybody is gonna think he'll work pro bono. I just wish him all the luck, it's hard to find an attorney who is willing to walk the mile with you. Did you know that only 1% of attorneys work pro bono?

[Jeepers]

I have got to leave for awhile. Be back later tonight.

Take care and Be Safe

[legalmania]

I am with you on this I get them all the time I wish there was someway to stop it. They want me to pay a fee so I tell them to take it out of the money I was going to get ha.I always report it as spam.jmho


I heard they're selling these foreclosed houses now. This poor lady spent her life savings only to get evicted. I feel so bad, but you gotta do your homework.

[Rapunzel]

Yes but now everybody is gonna think he'll work pro bono. I just wish him all the luck, it's hard to find an attorney who is willing to walk the mile with you. Did you know that only 1% of attorneys work pro bono?

No...did not know that...wow...only 1%!!!!

I wish M&M the best...they seem like nice people!!!

[legalmania]

Well looks like it's time for a break, so let me leave everyone with a song for Caylee. So now baby girl you can tell all your new friends your have your very own song.

----------------
Now playing: Elton John - Your Song (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/elton_john/track/your_song)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Barbara fl.]

Zanny was Casey, George, Cindy, Lee. Whoever was watching Caylee Casey created the Nanny to save face, that Casey was independant, working and didn't need help from anyone. Anything to conceal she was a thief, liar and irresponsible solely dependant on everyone for everything.


I agree totally....it was a made up name...but it wasn't JUST made up when this happened...she had been using this fake nanny for some time (as you say) to save face and make it appear that she was working...

That is why I believe that this ZG just happen to appear at Sawgrass apts at that time...I do not believe that Casey had this planned or that she stole ZG's drivers license...I believe that it was just a coincidence...I believe that Casey was probably thrown back when she heard that a ZG was actually at the apt's....therefore the only thing she could have possibly said was that it wasn't the same ZFG....I also believe that she put the Fernandez in there to make sure that they would not be able to find such a person......

[iluvmua]

I hope Casey get sentenced to 65 years (for Check Fraud) and Life In Prison ( for Murder).

I also hope that Casey cries when she is sentenced

[Dunlurken]

There is like 50 ZG in Orlando and I think two or three ZFG so why aren't the rest of them suing? I don't like sticking up for Casey she did not describe this lady she didn't know where she lived and ZFG said she didn't know Casey. I feel sorry for this attorney who's working his tail off for ZFG. I hope he gets something out of it.

He won't. Neither will she. The lady who visited Sawgrass.

[happygert]

I hope Casey get sentenced to 65 years (for Check Fraud) and Life In Prison ( for Murder).

I also hope that Casey cries when she is sentenced

Oh no doubt she'll cry.and it will be real tears .no poking herself in the eye , no rubbing trying to get a tear to fall.. because its about her..

[Rapunzel]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/a-matter-of-reciprocal-discovery/

[Bala]

I am with you on this I get them all the time I wish there was someway to stop it. They want me to pay a fee so I tell them to take it out of the money I was going to get ha.I always report it as spam.jmho
Here in Canada I E-Mail these to the RCMP they have a task force that deals with just this. I'm sure the FBI has the same.

[Rapunzel]

Blink

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/09/09/cayleecasey-case-dominic-casey-takes-stand-in-zenaida-gonzalez-case/

[legalmania]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/a-matter-of-reciprocal-discovery/

You don't need an attorney to understand the statutes, I don't know how the prosecution can ask for this information, then what the heck is due process for. This is up to a jury to decide if she has enough evidence to prove her innocence or guilt.

[martha]

Good morning Everyone,

The perfect 10 = Casey in twiddles's little head
Cindy being so rude to Zanny in the depo = you are cute but, you not a ten.
I would have had a smackdown with Cindy then and there!

Casey gets her high opinion of herself honestly. Cindy thinks she's a 10 too!

I just think that Casey just like what Cindy says "when Casey lies she tells the truth" Casey was dreaming up what Zanny looked like and she describes her height compared to George and she describes her weight compared to Casey.
ITa with you casey and cindy both think they or a 10 but I have news for them they or not. Yes I would have loved to have slaped cindy when she said that about zg she is a smart ### and one day she will get hers. g and c both acted so ugly in those depo. They should both be made answer the questions that or ask of them. I can;t wait to see them on the stand in the murder trial.I hope the da has stong members and people that will ask the hard questions. I have seen lawyer that or tough and would tear them apart while they or on the stand and I sure hope that is what the da will do with them.jmho

[Deannalynn]

Cindy has a way just like Casey to lure someone into her web. All it took was an evening with DCasey at the Ritz and Cindy has him doing whatever she wants him to do. Whether it be not showing up at a scheduled depo or blatantly lying on the stand.

Now that Mitnik has discovered he lied through his teeth and his story is totally different then the one he gave back in January 09, perhaps this Judge will be compelled to change his attitude a little.:glare:

[happygert]

ITa with you casey and cindy both think they or a 10 but I have news for them they or not. Yes I would have loved to have slaped cindy when she said that about zg she is a smart ### and one day she will get hers. g and c both acted so ugly in those depo. They should both be made answer the questions that or ask of them. I can;t wait to see them on the stand in the murder trial.I hope the da has stong members and people that will ask the hard questions. I have seen lawyer that or tough and would tear them apart while they or on the stand and I sure hope that is what the da will do with them.jmho

Hi Martha, my dear, I dont think we have anything to worry about in the DA's office.. IMO Linda will tear them apart.. she's no whimp.. I have confidence that all the DA's on this case are very strong willed. They know what they are doing unlike baez.. IMO baez and the rest of the lawyers will be butting heads just like Shapiro and the dream team did in oj's case..

[happygert]

Cindy has a way just like Casey to lure someone into her web. All it took was an evening with DCasey at the Ritz and Cindy has him doing whatever she wants him to do. Whether it be not showing up at a scheduled depo or blatantly lying on the stand.

Now that Mitnik has discovered he lied through his teeth and his story is totally different then the one he gave back in January 09, perhaps this Judge will be compelled to change his attitude a little.:glare:

I've been thinking.. In the hearing on Wednesday I think Mitnik and the rest of those attorneys in M&M's office knew about dc's interviews and already read transcripts before they ever went into that court room. They wanted dc to put it on record where he was lying.. Maybe this was there way of getting the judge to realize not only did dc lie to M&M about his duties but he flat out lied to the judge to..It's a possibility that they knew what this judge was up to on Tuesday so they played by his rules and let dc hang himself in front of the judge.. now its all on record.. Imo M&M are smart they didnt get this far without doing all there home work...SLY like a FOX they are...Now its just getting another hearing date in front of this judge..

[martha]

Hi Martha, my dear, I dont think we have anything to worry about in the DA's office.. IMO Linda will tear them apart.. she's no whimp.. I have confidence that all the DA's on this case are very strong willed. They know what they are doing unlike baez.. IMO baez and the rest of the lawyers will be butting heads just like Shapiro and the dream team did in oj's case..Oh honey I pray you or right about this. OJ got away with killing them but maybe casey will not be so lucky.I wanted to believe oj did not do that when I first heard about it but when they found his,necole,and ron;s blood in the bronco I knew he did it.No way could all 3 blood get in his bronco if he did not do it.Now I just pray that the def.don;t come up with some thing to say someone elce did this to CAYLEE I just don;t see how they can. After all is said and done I can;t get past the 31 days.never will.You help me stay up beat and not get so down about this case.thank you for you good post.jmho:wub:

[seeing_eye]

Casey described herself. It's all coming together for me and will for a jury. I still think an insanity defense could come about. split personality, etc.

I didn't think split personality was considered to be insanity.

[desmom]

According to the video ont his article:

the Defense has a Team leader from equusearch that is going to bebunk the whole prosecutions case becouse they say they searched that area and it was dry: who is this mystery person?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20838466/detail.html

it also says Nejames has no clue of who they are talking about becouse no one has come to Tim Miller claiming this and none of the team leaders they know of has ever said it..also i like the fact they probably will have to give up the name if they found this information from the discovery handed over to the defense..but my question where in the discovery have any of you read about..a person or person(s) that where there at the remains sight after the OC was jailed?

Joy Wray.

page 44 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html
Handwritten Statement dated 10/01/08
was part of the search for Caylee Marie Anthony, the search was called Equasearch based out of Texas. Equasearch sign me "Joy" as a teamleader...." She went on to explain how she had found a blanket 3-4 weeks and forgot to give it to Sheriff Beary.

I posted this a couple of weeks ago re: Joy...

November 26, 2008 - Jay Blanchard Park
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/inde..._breaking.html

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html
LE interview -

Page 2-3 she said she was at the Suburban Drive location 2 times - 1 time with TES and 1 time with her husband, BUT on page 25, line 20 she said "I've been out here probably about, I don't know how many times.I lo..lost count. AND on page 26, line 3 she said "over ten, ten, twenty times." She said she took the pics from that area 30' from the fence. My note - Caylee's skull was 19'8" south of Suburban Drive page 17 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740668/detail.html

Pages 26 - 27, she said she searched only the area where Caylee was found 2 days after Caylee was reported missing. She never searched down by the school or the other side of the road. She said it was a gut feeling.

Page 28 - LE asked her about the 2nd time she came out to the Suburban Drive area. She said "probably three weeks later". On page 29, she said there was standing water.... approximately 6" and it got deeper; she started "to sink a little bit".

Page 30, LE asks her when was the first time she was in there with water and she said "When uh, Equusearch was doing their searches." and she was there for "every one" of TES searches in that area, but she can't remember how many times, but...

On page 31, she said she was out there probably ten times by herself and half of the time there was standing water; page 32 she said the first times she saw water was her 3rd or 4th trip out there; it was 3-4 weeks after her first trip which was the second day after Caylee was reported missing.

Page 34-35 She told LE "George and them....Kid Finders" brainwashed her; George gave her a picture of the kidnapper's car and told her the kidnapper had short brown hair, brownish/green eyes, 5'6" - 5'7" tall, skinny, real nice dresser and real pretty.

And finally on page 45, LE's incident report, states Joy told LE she had been Baker Acted five times, she was "arrested for fleeing and eluding police, however the charges were dropped due to her mental state"

jmo

[Kathlb]

There is like 50 ZG in Orlando and I think two or three ZFG so why aren't the rest of them suing? I don't like sticking up for Casey she did not describe this lady she didn't know where she lived and ZFG said she didn't know Casey. I feel sorry for this attorney who's working his tail off for ZFG. I hope he gets something out of it.

I think probably because they are lucky and nothing in their lives suffered for it. This ZFG did lose her job, her apartment and more. She's a single mother, the others might not be. That's why she is filing. It wrecked her life and with 6 kids that's not fun. I also read where her oldest son had a job and was helping support the family because no one would hire her due to her name out there as a possible murderer.

As for the original three questions, the answer is no. :-) And I suspect that Casey had a ZFG driver's license and I'm hoping the pros. has proof that she did. That will blow the ZFG theory straight out of the water. :-) I hope they file on Cindy too for her statements to the press about it being ZFG. She has gotten off far to many times with her mouth, it's time to shut her up. MOO

[Imperfect4]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/a-matter-of-reciprocal-discovery/

Interesting link, Rapunzel. Thanks!

Seems the blog owner, after speaking to Baez, thinks he's more sly than he's given credit for.

That gave me a second's pause ... but only a second. I don't think Jose (or many other people) could present two such diametrically opposed personalities so convincingly time and again. He may be slightly more "sly" than what we've seen of him in the courtroom, but imo, only slightly more so.

Good morning, folks! :seeya:

Can someone point me to the M&M exhibit which contains the transcription of the off-the-record discussion at the end of the hearing the other day? I looked, but didn't find. TIA.

[Deannalynn]

Oh no doubt she'll cry.and it will be real tears .no poking herself in the eye , no rubbing trying to get a tear to fall.. because its about her..

I think Casey would really get pizzzzz'd at her mother immediately.
Since I think Cindy has been telling Casey that they will get her free.
I also think she will be very angry at Baez.
If there's a lot of tears it will be tears of rage and anger. Casey didn't get her way..

[Kathlb]

Joy Wray.

*snip*

Oh good grief. Of course it's Joy. I should have thought of that. Well, she is in for a grilling at trial. Isn't there proof that she was arrested and also that she has mental problems? I seem to remember that. The pros. will have a field day with her. IMHO

Edit... I see now you did include her Baker Acts and the arrests.

[desmom]

Oh good grief. Of course it's Joy. I should have thought of that. Well, she is in for a grilling at trial. Isn't their proof that she was arrested and also that she has mental problems? I seem to remember that. The pros. will have a field day with her. IMHO

Incident report page 43 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

It should be noted that Joy admitted to me of being Baker Acted five times. She was arrested for (3/25/08) fleeing and eluding police however, the charges were dropped due to her mental state. This report is for information only.

[Imperfect4]

I didn't think split personality was considered to be insanity.

Casey was never in a dissociative state. Any defense nonsense in the direction of multiple personalities will be easily shot down by the prosecution, imo. I hope the defense goes there, as it will be another nail in their credibility coffin.

[happygert]

Oh honey I pray you or right about this. OJ got away with killing them but maybe casey will not be so lucky.I wanted to believe oj did not do that when I first heard about it but when they found his,necole,and ron;s blood in the bronco I knew he did it.No way could all 3 blood get in his bronco if he did not do it.Now I just pray that the def.don;t come up with some thing to say someone elce did this to CAYLEE I just don;t see how they can. After all is said and done I can;t get past the 31 days.never will.You help me stay up beat and not get so down about this case.thank you for you good post.jmho:wub:

Martha, IMO there was a lot of evidence in oj's case that someone tried to fabricate..If they had done the investigation with the vigor and honesty that the LE has in this case they may have gotten a guilty verdict.. Oh dont get me wrong do I think oj was guilty yes, do I think state proved it no.. TOO many unanswered questions for me.. if they would have maybe tried him for conspiracy to commit murder then they may have won it.. IMO there was someone else there that night..

However in the Anthony case I think everyone that investigated has been nothing but ethical.. They did a excellent job. especially since the family was no help to the FBI or LE ..and refused to cooperate..

PM me if you want to know what didnt add up for me..in oj's case

[Bala]

Martha, IMO there was a lot of evidence in oj's case that someone tried to fabricate..If they had done the investigation with the vigor and honesty that the LE has in this case they may have gotten a guilty verdict.. Oh dont get me wrong do I think oj was guilty yes, do I think state proved it no.. TOO many unanswered questions for me.. if they would have maybe tried him for conspiracy to commit murder then they may have won it.. IMO there was someone else there that night..

However in the Anthony case I think everyone that investigated has been nothing but ethical.. They did a excellent job. especially since the family was no help to the FBI or LE ..and refused to cooperate..

PM me if you want to know what didn't add up for me..in oj's case

I agree i felt OJ did it but that Mark Fuhrman caused reasonable doubt. I don't see that in this case.

[JHP]

Incident report page 43 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

It should be noted that Joy admitted to me of being Baker Acted five times. She was arrested for (3/25/08) fleeing and eluding police however, the charges were dropped due to her mental state. This report is for information only.

George is going to have to keep up. Maybe this is where team Anthony got the idea for baker acting George.

[desmom]

I have been trying for sometime to find the interview Channel 6 did with ZG in the diner where her face is blacked out. I thought that she had stated she lost her DL in that interview. Since Channel 6 switched over to Clickorlando I cannot locate many videos. Does anyone know where I can find it.

Oh and no, no. and a BIG no

Part 1 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17124345/index.html

Part 2 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17124638/index.html

Part 3 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17124785/index.html

Part 4 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17125009/index.html

Part 5 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17125231/index.html

[jessie]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee? no, no, and no

[desmom]

Then how the heck is she ever gonna win a defamation case when nobody believes she exists? People believe Casey has been lying about ZFG. If ZFG lost her driver license what is to stop somebody from stealing her identity? Maybe the ZFG Casey was dealing with was an impostor.

Because of media reports like this one: http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17123394/index.html

:shrug:

[happygert]

I agree i felt OJ did it but that Mark Fuhrman caused reasonable doubt. I don't see that in this case.

ITA. I don't see in this case..also what vanatter did with the blood vial taking it to rockingham..

IMO they will nail casey to the wall with all the evidence they have in this case..

[desmom]

According to Annie Downings testimony she said she lived at the Sawgrass apartments and never heard of ZFG however if this lady is an illegal and was using someones identity she would be lying as much as Casey, she could have booked it to Mexico and her relatives wouldn't give her up. But no matter what Casey is done. There is just nobody but her that could have committed this crime now I've always wondered about this Tony guy. It seems she meet him about the same time Caylee disappeared. He could have helped.

Which Tony - Tony the cop or Tone the college student?

Per Tone the college student, page 2 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazzaro,%20Anthony0728.pdf : Originally hit her up on Face Book. When I first moved down here always gonna try and hang out, never happened. Ah, all the way up until the month if May. Um, finally got her to come out to a DJ gig I was there at my friend’s birthday party late May. Ah, she showed up with two of her friends. Um, just hit it off that night, started hanging out.

Tone the college student has cooperated with LE, took a polygraph, wore a wire for LE when he met with Casey's brother Lee, voluntarily gave LE his cell phone, gave LE access to his car, allowed LE to search his apartment and voluntarily came in for interviews with LE.

jmo

[texski]

i am a lurker here mostly, read every day, seldom post.
on the web site for morgan and morgan all the way down there is a place where you can donate to the legal defense fund for zfg.
i often see on these pages that people speak of being willing to donate to get casey, cindy, et al,
this would be an excellent way to keep the heat on the lying crowd.
we go to florida in the winter. i do not use paypal, but will send in a modest check,

morgan and morgan are a well known, respected law firm in florida. but it is hard to work for nothing. i feel they are doing this for justice to zfg, and also for caylee, as his work is uncovering info to help convict casey.
so can we all help???

[bchand]

Interesting link, Rapunzel. Thanks!

Seems the blog owner, after speaking to Baez, thinks he's more sly than he's given credit for.

That gave me a second's pause ... but only a second. I don't think Jose (or many other people) could present two such diametrically opposed personalities so convincingly time and again. He may be slightly more "sly" than what we've seen of him in the courtroom, but imo, only slightly more so.

Good morning, folks! :seeya:

Can someone point me to the M&M exhibit which contains the transcription of the off-the-record discussion at the end of the hearing the other day? I looked, but didn't find. TIA.


Here it is Imp:

http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_D.pdf

Page 2 and start reading on the little square marked page 3.


eta: sorry that was at the beginning of the hearing. I didn't read to the end to see if anything else was transcribed there.

[Bala]

George is going to have to keep up. Maybe this is where team Anthony got the idea for baker acting George.
Can someone explain the baker act? Haven't got a clue!

[seeing_eye]

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300 ALA MOANA BOULEVARD HONOLULU,
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http://www.fbi.gov
fbiwashinton9@live.com

Attn: Honorable Beneficiary.

We the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI Honolulu) United States of America have discovered through our intelligent monitoring network that you have a transaction going on as either inheritance payment, Lottery or contract payment in a tone of Millions of United States Dollars which have been approved but have not been settled.

[snipped for brevity]



Anyone with even one working brain cell would recognize this email as a scam (if not for content, then for grammar and language). Yet I know that many are still falling for this scam. Unbelievable!!

[seeing_eye]

There is like 50 ZG in Orlando and I think two or three ZFG so why aren't the rest of them suing? I don't like sticking up for Casey she did not describe this lady she didn't know where she lived and ZFG said she didn't know Casey. I feel sorry for this attorney who's working his tail off for ZFG. I hope he gets something out of it.

The rest of them were not associated with Sawgrass or had a similar vehicle.

[Bala]

Which Tony - Tony the cop or Tone the college student?

Per Tone the college student, page 2 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazzaro,%20Anthony0728.pdf : Originally hit her up on Face Book. When I first moved down here always gonna try and hang out, never happened. Ah, all the way up until the month if May. Um, finally got her to come out to a DJ gig I was there at my friend’s birthday party late May. Ah, she showed up with two of her friends. Um, just hit it off that night, started hanging out.

Tone the college student has cooperated with LE, took a polygraph, wore a wire for LE when he met with Casey's brother Lee, voluntarily gave LE his cell phone, gave LE access to his car, allowed LE to search his apartment and voluntarily came in for interviews with LE.

jmo
Everything Caylee's own family refused to do. Says a lot doesn't it?

[happygert]

Can someone explain the baker act? Haven't got a clue!

Put in psych ward for observation..

[seeing_eye]

Well, I guess he already has...he has got lots of TV air time and publicity in this case...I don't live in Florida and would never had heard of Morgan & Morgan...but I know who they are now...

Not only do I know who Morgan & Morgan is now (whereas before I did not), but now I love 'em!!! :wub:

ETA: Before this I never would have dreamed I would hold such affection for a law firm that made its living suing people -- but in this case, I do love 'em!!! :wub:

[Bala]

Put in psych ward for observation..

Like with Britney Spears?

[AnniePie]

Casey described herself. It's all coming together for me and will for a jury. I still think an insanity defense could come about. split personality, etc.

I disagree that she's got a split personality. She is a narcissist with a psychopathic personality.

[apothecary]

The rest of them were not associated with Sawgrass or had a similar vehicle.
One did have a day care or blog site for mothers.She had her computer stolen around June 9 or 10 or thereabouts.

[AnniePie]

Okay, thanks. She's 5'2. Wow, she's as short as me. She looks much taller. Maybe that was her perception of herself. JMO.

She's 5'2"? Wow, she must hang out with a lot of tall people, because I thought she was much shorter than that.

[mickeymb35]

i am a lurker here mostly, read every day, seldom post.
on the web site for morgan and morgan all the way down there is a place where you can donate to the legal defense fund for zfg.
i often see on these pages that people speak of being willing to donate to get casey, cindy, et al,
this would be an excellent way to keep the heat on the lying crowd.
we go to florida in the winter. i do not use paypal, but will send in a modest check,

morgan and morgan are a well known, respected law firm in florida. but it is hard to work for nothing. i feel they are doing this for justice to zfg, and also for caylee, as his work is uncovering info to help convict casey.
so can we all help???

That is a great idea, Tex. Thanks for posting this.

[imc_e]

She's 5'2"? Wow, she must hang out with a lot of tall people, because I thought she was much shorter than that.

She must be between 4'2 and 5'2, nowhere near a 10 , imo.

:sneaky:

[AnniePie]

She must be between 4'2 and 5'2, nowhere near a 10 , imo.

:sneaky:

:laugh: 4.2 and sinking fast...

[Deannalynn]

She must be between 4'2 and 5'2, nowhere near a 10 , imo.

:sneaky:

She's still 5'2 but I can bet she's no longer 105 lbs. any longer.:unsure:

[seeing_eye]

I agree totally....it was a made up name...but it wasn't JUST made up when this happened...she had been using this fake nanny for some time (as you say) to save face and make it appear that she was working...

That is why I believe that this ZG just happen to appear at Sawgrass apts at that time...I do not believe that Casey had this planned or that she stole ZG's drivers license...I believe that it was just a coincidence...I believe that Casey was probably thrown back when she heard that a ZG was actually at the apt's....therefore the only thing she could have possibly said was that it wasn't the same ZFG....I also believe that she put the Fernandez in there to make sure that they would not be able to find such a person......

ITA. I think she was telling all her friends she had a nanny. I think she came up with the name "Zanny" from a book about a nanny. I don't think she ever told C & G about having a nanny despite their statements that she did. As hard as it is to believe they would lie :tonguewag: , C & G lied about that. C & G watched Caylee 99.9% of the time (except when Casey's friend (Lauren?) and the Grunds watched her) and they knew there was never a nanny. MOO

[bchand]

ITA. I think she was telling all her friends she had a nanny. I think she came up with the name "Zanny" from a book about a nanny. I don't think she ever told C & G about having a nanny despite their statements that she did. As hard as it is to believe they would lie :tonguewag: , C & G lied about that. C & G watched Caylee 99.9% of the time (except when Casey's friend (Lauren?) and the Grunds watched her) and they knew there was never a nanny. MOO

http://www.amazon.com/Double-Trouble-Squared-Starbuck-Adventure/dp/0152241272

(Sorta like the Bobsey Twins series)

When their father quits his job and goes on an environmental strike, the older Starbuck set of telepathic twins, girl Liberty, and boy July (the month), are greatly embarrassed. When their father brings his environmental stuff to a school assembly, July, Liberty, and their mother help convince him to take a job under the ambassador in England. Liberty and July, Charly and Molly the five year old twins, Dad, and Zanny the Nanny, move to England.

Wonder if Casey had the Starbuck Family series around her house?

[Deannalynn]

ITA. I think she was telling all her friends she had a nanny. I think she came up with the name "Zanny" from a book about a nanny. I don't think she ever told C & G about having a nanny despite their statements that she did. As hard as it is to believe they would lie :tonguewag: , C & G lied about that. C & G watched Caylee 99.9% of the time (except when Casey's friend (Lauren?) and the Grunds watched her) and they knew there was never a nanny. MOO

After reading Tone statements Casey got attached immediately. She cooked, she cleaned, she shared his bed and she only brought Caylee over twice in the weeks that they were hooked up.
TonE said little Caylee was the same. She was overly friendly and got attached quickly too.
Didn't Casey's mother spend any quality time with Casey when she was a kid. Any child that is overly friendly to strangers, dances around in front of them immediately and wanting to get that attached so quickly wants attention that they are hungry for because they don't get it from their parent (s)
Poor Caylee was the same way as Casey. Now I see where all those groceries went when she was at Target buying them. They went straight to TonE's house. Casey wanted TonE to fall for her immediately. In addition, I read somewhere that TonE made a comment to Casey that when he has kids he wanted all boys. Um, that could have been a reason why she thought Caylee couldn't be part of her life.

It sounded to me like he didn't mind her being there but she moved right into the relationship as quick as a rabbit.

[apothecary]

http://www.amazon.com/Double-Trouble-Squared-Starbuck-Adventure/dp/0152241272

(Sorta like the Bobsey Twins series)

When their father quits his job and goes on an environmental strike, the older Starbuck set of telepathic twins, girl Liberty, and boy July (the month), are greatly embarrassed. When their father brings his environmental stuff to a school assembly, July, Liberty, and their mother help convince him to take a job under the ambassador in England. Liberty and July, Charly and Molly the five year old twins, Dad, and Zanny the Nanny, move to England.

Wonder if Casey had the Starbuck Family series around her house?
OT,But I loved the Bobbsey Twins books.I have a twin brother and also a younger set of twins (brother and sister),in the familyso you can see I identified with the Bobbsey Twins.Two sets of boy-girl twins in the family.

[spydernweb2006]

Legalmania brought up a theory of what IF ZG was an illegal alien and high tailed it across the border. Well my problem with that is:

WHY didnt Casey tell the truth then?

It just doesnt make sense that Casey has lied and lied and her Family lied and lied IF they were innocent victims.

It also does not make any sense whatsoever that IF Casey were innocent why wasnt she upset, EVER? The only tears Casey has shed over any of this was in court and nly over the concern for her own heiny.

My son was taken by his birth father ( I cant post what I really call him) while my sister was babysitting him while I was at work. Let me tell you, I became INSTANTLY HYSTERICAL! A Doctor had to presribe meds to calm me down, and we knew where my son was and with whom! Thanks to God it ended well, My Son was well, I got full custody and we were never bothered by the jerk again. I just dont know if I can explain the terror and horror a Mother who loves her child goes thru when her child is missing/gone. Casey has NEVER exhibited that, EVER. I would have laid my life down immed. no questions asked or needed to make sure my son got back safely. The Police were my BEST FRIENDS! I will never be able to thank The Police and children services that stepped in to HELP me. Ugly coping my heiner! IMO Casey killed her child and went on her merry way.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[martha]

Legalmania brought up a theory of what IF ZG was an illegal alien and high tailed it across the border. Well my problem with that is:

WHY didnt Casey tell the truth then?

It just doesnt make sense that Casey has lied and lied and her Family lied and lied IF they were innocent victims.

It also does not make any sense whatsoever that IF Casey were innocent why wasnt she upset, EVER? The only tears Casey has shed over any of this was in court and nly over the concern for her own heiny.

My son was taken by his birth father ( I cant post what I really call him) while my sister was babysitting him while I was at work. Let me tell you, I became INSTANTLY HYSTERICAL! A Doctor had to presribe meds to calm me down, and we knew where my son was and with whom! Thanks to God it ended well, My Son was well, I got full custody and we were never bothered by the jerk again. I just dont know if I can explain the terror and horror a Mother who loves her child goes thru when her child is missing/gone. Casey has NEVER exhibited that, EVER. I would have laid my life down immed. no questions asked or needed to make sure my son got back safely. The Police were my BEST FRIENDS! I will never be able to thank The Police and children services that stepped in to HELP me. Ugly coping my heiner! IMO Casey killed her child and went on her merry way.


JMHO

Hugs,
SpyderoH HONEY I am so glad it turned out ok for you but I would have been like you they would have had to knock me out with something I would have been so crazy.none of the an;s have acted like they loved CAYLEE the way you love your son.I have never seen casey act like she cares that her baby is not around now.Just makes me sick to look at her.or any of the an;s. I have never seen people like them.jmho and hope I never do.:wub:

[Dells]

After reading Tone statements Casey got attached immediately. She cooked, she cleaned, she shared his bed and she only brought Caylee over twice in the weeks that they were hooked up.
TonE said little Caylee was the same. She was overly friendly and got attached quickly too.
Didn't Casey's mother spend any quality time with Casey when she was a kid. Any child that is overly friendly to strangers, dances around in front of them immediately and wanting to get that attached so quickly wants attention that they are hungry for because they don't get it from their parent (s)
Poor Caylee was the same way as Casey. Now I see where all those groceries went when she was at Target buying them. They went straight to TonE's house. Casey wanted TonE to fall for her immediately. In addition, I read somewhere that TonE made a comment to Casey that when he has kids he wanted all boys. Um, that could have been a reason why she thought Caylee couldn't be part of her life.

It sounded to me like he didn't mind her being there but she moved right into the relationship as quick as a rabbit.

Bolding mine.....

Great post! I wanted to address the part that I have bolded. I remember hearing that TonE said that as well, and boy oh boy I bet he sure is sorry that he made that comment now. Casey's warped little mind probably immediately latched onto it and made Caylee even more of a liability than she probably already was for her. I bet TonE meant it in a casual and flippant way, but Casey ran w/it and used it to suit her own purposes.

I just hope that if Casey if found guilty that during the penalty phase of the case, that the defense can't use TonE's statement about only wanting boys as one of the excuses as to why Casey felt she had to murder her daughter. It is nobody's fault but Casey's that she took the life of the beautiful little girl. No excuse in the world could explain that away. How could she?!:sneaky:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Prosecutors: Show Us Evidence Of Who Dumped Caylee

Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said that if the evidence Anthony's defense team discovered came from the state that they have every right to keep it to themselves.

"There's thousands of documents, hundreds of witnesses, it's not unusual for a defense attorney to take that evidence and use it against them at trial," he said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20838466/detail.html

[Bala]

Bolding mine.....

Great post! I wanted to address the part that I have bolded. I remember hearing that TonE said that as well, and boy oh boy I bet he sure is sorry that he made that comment now. Casey's warped little mind probably immediately latched onto it and made Caylee even more of a liability than she probably already was for her. I bet TonE meant it in a casual and flippant way, but Casey ran w/it and used it to suit her own purposes.

I just hope that if Casey if found guilty that during the penalty phase of the case, that the defense can't use TonE's statement about only wanting boys as one of the excuses as to why Casey felt she had to murder her daughter. It is nobody's fault but Casey's that she took the life of the beautiful little girl. No excuse in the world could explain that away. How could she?!:sneaky:
Isn't this kind of why Susan Smith killed her children her boyfriend didn't want any children. Why are some girls so desperate that they're willing to kill their children to get some guy to love them. It isn't like Tone can get some girl pregnant and decide ahead of time that it will be a boy. He certainly is old enough to realise you don't get to choose.

[Julie Dupree]

According to the video ont his article:

the Defense has a Team leader from equusearch that is going to bebunk the whole prosecutions case becouse they say they searched that area and it was dry: who is this mystery person?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20838466/detail.html

it also says Nejames has no clue of who they are talking about becouse no one has come to Tim Miller claiming this and none of the team leaders they know of has ever said it..also i like the fact they probably will have to give up the name if they found this information from the discovery handed over to the defense..but my question where in the discovery have any of you read about..a person or person(s) that where there at the remains sight after the OC was jailed?

I would like one of our attorney posters to better explain this statement to us. I find it very disturbing. (from the link above)
If Richard Hornsby is right (and I am not saying he is or isn't) JB and company may have an out with motion.

"Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said that if the evidence Anthony's defense team discovered came from the state that they have every right to keep it to themselves."

[Julie Dupree]

Bolding mine.....

Great post! I wanted to address the part that I have bolded. I remember hearing that TonE said that as well, and boy oh boy I bet he sure is sorry that he made that comment now. Casey's warped little mind probably immediately latched onto it and made Caylee even more of a liability than she probably already was for her. I bet TonE meant it in a casual and flippant way, but Casey ran w/it and used it to suit her own purposes.

I just hope that if Casey if found guilty that during the penalty phase of the case, that the defense can't use TonE's statement about only wanting boys as one of the excuses as to why Casey felt she had to murder her daughter. It is nobody's fault but Casey's that she took the life of the beautiful little girl. No excuse in the world could explain that away. How could she?!:sneaky:

I personally feel that Caylee's life would have been cut short if there had been no Tony...regardless of what he may have said. We have no way of knowing if that was even said. If there had not been a Tony, there would have been a John, Dick or Harry.

[anon-o-miss]

Ok while the board is fresh, let me ask a few question,
1. does anyone think ZFG killed Caylee
2. does anyone think ZFG had anything to do with Caylees death?
3. does anyone think ZKG kidnapped Caylee?

1. No
2. No
3. No

[Sun]

I would like one of our attorney posters to better explain this statement to us. I find it very disturbing. (from the link above)
If Richard Hornsby is right (and I am not saying he is or isn't) JB and company may have an out with motion.

"Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said that if the evidence Anthony's defense team discovered came from the state that they have every right to keep it to themselves."

chuckles... if it's the defense's position to use the evidence discovered by the State, and interpret it in a different way than the State does, they have every right to do that. I'm not too worried that a Jury would be swayed to think that Casey is not guilty, by what I've seen in the Discovery. No matter how the defense wants to present (twist) things.

[Julie Dupree]

Legalmania brought up a theory of what IF ZG was an illegal alien and high tailed it across the border. Well my problem with that is:

WHY didnt Casey tell the truth then?

It just doesnt make sense that Casey has lied and lied and her Family lied and lied IF they were innocent victims.

It also does not make any sense whatsoever that IF Casey were innocent why wasnt she upset, EVER? The only tears Casey has shed over any of this was in court and nly over the concern for her own heiny.

My son was taken by his birth father ( I cant post what I really call him) while my sister was babysitting him while I was at work. Let me tell you, I became INSTANTLY HYSTERICAL! A Doctor had to presribe meds to calm me down, and we knew where my son was and with whom! Thanks to God it ended well, My Son was well, I got full custody and we were never bothered by the jerk again. I just dont know if I can explain the terror and horror a Mother who loves her child goes thru when her child is missing/gone. Casey has NEVER exhibited that, EVER. I would have laid my life down immed. no questions asked or needed to make sure my son got back safely. The Police were my BEST FRIENDS! I will never be able to thank The Police and children services that stepped in to HELP me. Ugly coping my heiner! IMO Casey killed her child and went on her merry way.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

I think the one and only place Zany ever lived was in Casey's imagination. That is where she still lives, and will always live.
As tragic as your situation was, at least it was with people that were alive and traceable. :) Glad everything worked out for you and your son.

[anon-o-miss]

I thought the case was bogus from day one. Here's one thing that puzzles me though. Wasn't the name ZFG mentioned for a long, long time? Or was it just Zanny?

How could Casey "pick" that name from Sawgrass when ZFG had been mentioned for a long time, according to George and Cindy. Or was the name just Zanny, the Nanny? That would be good to know. JMO.
First of all, I don't necessarily believe that Casey had been talking about a Zenaida for years. I think she just used the term nanny. Secondly, a while back we saw a list of all the people in her graduating class and there was a zenaida (not fernandez or Gonzalez) that graduated with her so possibly that was the zenaida that was referred to years ago (if ever). Also, even the people that said she had mentioned Zanny (Cindy, George, Lee, Shirley) said they never heard the name Zenaida until the night Caylee was reported missing. I think somehow Casey happened upon Zenaida when zenaida went to go look at the apartment 210 in Sawgrass. Now the how or why will probably never be known. I have a few theories on that but, none of them are probably correct lol.

[anon-o-miss]

But Casey didn't describe the ZFG that is suing and the ZFG that is suing claimed she never meet Casey. I saw the ZFG that is suing and she is not a perfect 10 IMO. I don't need the two cents some guy called me from Africa yesterday and said I won 1 million dollars.
Casey did say Zenaida lived in apartment 210.... The ZFG suing Casey happened to look at apartment 210 the week of Caylee's "terminal event" Sawgrass also happens to be across the street from Ricardo's apartment if I'm not mistaken. The ZFG suing Casey was also driving a silver car that looks like a ford focus (it's not). Casey also said that Zanny the Nanny was rich and watched Caylee for free, while telling others that she paid her $400 dollars a week. Casey has been known to tell "mis-truths" as Cindy put it. Casey also told Cindy in the jail visits that they never showed her a picture of ZFG for her to say yay or nay. Yet in court her attorney (for the defamation case) said that Casey was shown and rejected a picture of ZFG as being the ZFG.

[anon-o-miss]

There is like 50 ZG in Orlando and I think two or three ZFG so why aren't the rest of them suing? I don't like sticking up for Casey she did not describe this lady she didn't know where she lived and ZFG said she didn't know Casey. I feel sorry for this attorney who's working his tail off for ZFG. I hope he gets something out of it.
Because none of the other ZFG's were at Sawgrass apartment 210 driving a silver (ford focus looking) car. IMO

[need2no]

GRACE: Back to the father of Casey Anthony`s ex-fiance. Richard Grund is with us. Did you ever are know of this nanny, see her, talk to her, hear of her?

GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named...

GRACE: But none of that is true. Jeffrey Hopkins says that`s not true.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html
Aired September 22, 2008

[Scampi]

O/T in case anyone is following the Annie Le case, the Yale student who is missing. They have found her body and a crime scene at the Amistad Building where she was last seen.

Press conference at 5:30 p.m. on FOX

:sad:

[anon-o-miss]

Joy Wray.

page 44 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html
Handwritten Statement dated 10/01/08
was part of the search for Caylee Marie Anthony, the search was called Equasearch based out of Texas. Equasearch sign me "Joy" as a teamleader...." She went on to explain how she had found a blanket 3-4 weeks and forgot to give it to Sheriff Beary.

I posted this a couple of weeks ago re: Joy...

November 26, 2008 - Jay Blanchard Park
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/inde..._breaking.html

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html
LE interview -

Page 2-3 she said she was at the Suburban Drive location 2 times - 1 time with TES and 1 time with her husband, BUT on page 25, line 20 she said "I've been out here probably about, I don't know how many times.I lo..lost count. AND on page 26, line 3 she said "over ten, ten, twenty times." She said she took the pics from that area 30' from the fence. My note - Caylee's skull was 19'8" south of Suburban Drive page 17 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740668/detail.html

Pages 26 - 27, she said she searched only the area where Caylee was found 2 days after Caylee was reported missing. She never searched down by the school or the other side of the road. She said it was a gut feeling.

Page 28 - LE asked her about the 2nd time she came out to the Suburban Drive area. She said "probably three weeks later". On page 29, she said there was standing water.... approximately 6" and it got deeper; she started "to sink a little bit".

Page 30, LE asks her when was the first time she was in there with water and she said "When uh, Equusearch was doing their searches." and she was there for "every one" of TES searches in that area, but she can't remember how many times, but...

On page 31, she said she was out there probably ten times by herself and half of the time there was standing water; page 32 she said the first times she saw water was her 3rd or 4th trip out there; it was 3-4 weeks after her first trip which was the second day after Caylee was reported missing.

Page 34-35 She told LE "George and them....Kid Finders" brainwashed her; George gave her a picture of the kidnapper's car and told her the kidnapper had short brown hair, brownish/green eyes, 5'6" - 5'7" tall, skinny, real nice dresser and real pretty.

And finally on page 45, LE's incident report, states Joy told LE she had been Baker Acted five times, she was "arrested for fleeing and eluding police, however the charges were dropped due to her mental state"

jmo
:thumbsup: So the defense is putting their money on someone who has, by her own admission, had some problems in the mental health arena are numerous times:rolleyes:. Prosecuters should have no problem impeaching her testimony. She also seems all over the place with her story lol.

[Deannalynn]

First of all, I don't necessarily believe that Casey had been talking about a Zenaida for years. I think she just used the term nanny. Secondly, a while back we saw a list of all the people in her graduating class and there was a zenaida (not fernandez or Gonzalez) that graduated with her so possibly that was the zenaida that was referred to years ago (if ever). Also, even the people that said she had mentioned Zanny (Cindy, George, Lee, Shirley) said they never heard the name Zenaida until the night Caylee was reported missing. I think somehow Casey happened upon Zenaida when zenaida went to go look at the apartment 210 in Sawgrass. Now the how or why will probably never be known. I have a few theories on that but, none of them are probably correct lol.

Who's to say that Casey didn't go into the office after Zaneida walks out and she went thru the cards that were filled out by the visitors. The manager could have been showing an apartment and Casey could have walked in and picked up her card and looked at it. I have been looking at models before and they have you fill out a card and they have a regular small basket there you throw it in when you fill it out.(Index card)
The Zaneida that was on channel 6 says she lost her ID back in February, March of 2008. However, the chances of Casey finding that is doubtful since this Zaneida was indeed at the Sawgrass apartments on the 17th of June looking at them.:shrug:

[Dunlurken]

O/T in case anyone is following the Annie Le case, the Yale student who is missing. They have found her body and a crime scene at the Amistad Building where she was last seen.

Press conference at 5:30 p.m. on FOX

:sad:

Aww Geez. Thanks for posting that.

[desmom]

I would like one of our attorney posters to better explain this statement to us. I find it very disturbing. (from the link above)
If Richard Hornsby is right (and I am not saying he is or isn't) JB and company may have an out with motion.

"Defense Attorney Richard Hornsby said that if the evidence Anthony's defense team discovered came from the state that they have every right to keep it to themselves."

From the motion http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0910/20838679.pdf

4. On August 21, 2009, Pro Hac Vice attorney Todd Macaluso advised this Court that "there's substantial evidence, that we've discovered...that the body or the remains of Caylee Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up in the Orange County Correctional facility." Mr. Macaluso further suggests that the defense team has spoke to one of the team leaders of Texas Equusearch "some time ago" and were informed "over one-hundred people" searched the area whre the body was ultimately found.

The only witness statement we have seen in document dumps that states they were a team leader for TES is Joy Wray's. http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

In Joy's interview with LE she can't remember when she was at the Suburban Drive search area with TES, but she does know she was there every time TES was there. She said the pictures of Leonard sitting in the van and pictures of Spyder was when she was out there with TES. Lenny and Spyder were at JBP, not Suburban Drive.

Once while searching Suburban Drive by herself she found a pillow that smelled real bad, so she ripped it up. She also found a cigarette and she took it home. WTH? She finds a stinky pillow and rips it up, but saves a cigarette.

LE tried to get her to nail down an approximate time line as to when she searched the Suburban Drive area with and without TES. The number of times she was there varies. She can't remember any landmarks She does not remember how many times TES was out there but she was with them every time, she admits she was afraid to go into the woods because of snakes, the 2nd time she was there was 3-4 weeks after Caylee was reported missing and there was standing water, her 3rd visit she thinks the water was getting deeper because the most rain they had was in October and then back tracks and adds "I came back in October, too".

Also, shortly after Caylee was found one of the FL media, not the ones we are familiar with, a neighbor who said the water had just gone down in the last couple of weeks. I think other neighbors will be able to confirm the water table also.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

ITA. I think she was telling all her friends she had a nanny. I think she came up with the name "Zanny" from a book about a nanny. I don't think she ever told C & G about having a nanny despite their statements that she did. As hard as it is to believe they would lie :tonguewag: , C & G lied about that. C & G watched Caylee 99.9% of the time (except when Casey's friend (Lauren?) and the Grunds watched her) and they knew there was never a nanny. MOO


the reason I believe that Casey did tell her parents about a "Zanny the nanny" was when LE was questioning George at the PD and LE asked him if he had ever heard the name Zanny from Casey...George said YES, however, he ADDED that he didn't believe his daughter because when ever he would ask Caylee if she had fun at Zanny's, Caylee would act like she didn't know what he was talking about...George said that Caylee never mentioned the name nor would react when the name was mentioned to her.....

So, if George was just now bringing up the name Zanny, that wouldn't fit in with what he was saying...he was actually telling LE that he didn't believe there was such a person....

I believe that Casey made up that name some time back...and when she would take Caylee with her to one of her boyfriends house she didn't want G & C to know so she would say that Zanyy was watching Caylee while she went to work.....That is not to say that it was on a consistant bases but just when she did take Caylee with her....That is what I am gathering from this.....

[Barbara fl.]

O/T in case anyone is following the Annie Le case, the Yale student who is missing. They have found her body and a crime scene at the Amistad Building where she was last seen.

Press conference at 5:30 p.m. on FOX

:sad:

That is sooooo sad....

[Imperfect4]

That is sooooo sad....

Tomorrow was to be her wedding day. :rose:

[Barbara fl.]

First of all, I don't necessarily believe that Casey had been talking about a Zenaida for years. I think she just used the term nanny. Secondly, a while back we saw a list of all the people in her graduating class and there was a zenaida (not fernandez or Gonzalez) that graduated with her so possibly that was the zenaida that was referred to years ago (if ever). Also, even the people that said she had mentioned Zanny (Cindy, George, Lee, Shirley) said they never heard the name Zenaida until the night Caylee was reported missing. I think somehow Casey happened upon Zenaida when zenaida went to go look at the apartment 210 in Sawgrass. Now the how or why will probably never be known. I have a few theories on that but, none of them are probably correct lol.



George, Cindy and Lee said they had never MET Zanny the nanny...but they did say from the very beginning that Casey had told them that Zanny would be watching Caylee when she was at work......This was a name that was often used by Casey thru the years as beingCaylee's nanny...Mr, Grund also states that......

It was a made up name from the beginning......

[Barbara fl.]

Tomorrow was to be her wedding day. :rose:


I know...this is so horrible....my heart aches for her family....


:rose:

[Julie Dupree]

From the motion http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0910/20838679.pdf

4. On August 21, 2009, Pro Hac Vice attorney Todd Macaluso advised this Court that "there's substantial evidence, that we've discovered...that the body or the remains of Caylee Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up in the Orange County Correctional facility." Mr. Macaluso further suggests that the defense team has spoke to one of the team leaders of Texas Equusearch "some time ago" and were informed "over one-hundred people" searched the area whre the body was ultimately found.

The only witness statement we have seen in document dumps that states they were a team leader for TES is Joy Wray's. http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

In Joy's interview with LE she can't remember when she was at the Suburban Drive search area with TES, but she does know she was there every time TES was there. She said the pictures of Leonard sitting in the van and pictures of Spyder was when she was out there with TES. Lenny and Spyder were at JBP, not Suburban Drive.

Once while searching Suburban Drive by herself she found a pillow that smelled real bad, so she ripped it up. She also found a cigarette and she took it home. WTH? She finds a stinky pillow and rips it up, but saves a cigarette.

LE tried to get her to nail down an approximate time line as to when she searched the Suburban Drive area with and without TES. The number of times she was there varies. She can't remember any landmarks She does not remember how many times TES was out there but she was with them every time, she admits she was afraid to go into the woods because of snakes, the 2nd time she was there was 3-4 weeks after Caylee was reported missing and there was standing water, her 3rd visit she thinks the water was getting deeper because the most rain they had was in October and then back tracks and adds "I came back in October, too".

Also, shortly after Caylee was found one of the FL media, not the ones we are familiar with, a neighbor who said the water had just gone down in the last couple of weeks. I think other neighbors will be able to confirm the water table also.

jmo

desmom, remember that video you found the other day for really that had Joy talking about her beads...the one that had one of LP people (can not remember which one) arguing with a big man about what happened to the money that LP was suppose to give to Mr Miller?
Didn't he say he was a team leader for TE?

[Imperfect4]

I know...this is so horrible....my heart aches for her family....


:rose:

If anyone wants to watch the news conference online, here's the link http://www.wfsb.com/video/10882208/index.html

ETA: Hasn't started as of the time of this post.

[Dells]

O/T in case anyone is following the Annie Le case, the Yale student who is missing. They have found her body and a crime scene at the Amistad Building where she was last seen.

Press conference at 5:30 p.m. on FOX

:sad:

Oh no, that is horrible. Praying for her fiance, friends, and family.:sad:

[Barbara fl.]

O/T in case anyone is following the Annie Le case, the Yale student who is missing. They have found her body and a crime scene at the Amistad Building where she was last seen.

Press conference at 5:30 p.m. on FOX

:sad:


The news states that they are still looking for her...so there is still some hope....I pray there is....

[Imperfect4]

The news states that they are still looking for her...so there is still some hope....I pray there is....

Seems media jumped the gun big time. No body found. Some items found that may or may not be associated with Annie Le.

Sheesh.

[Scampi]

O/T in case anyone is following the Annie Le case, the Yale student who is missing. They have found her body and a crime scene at the Amistad Building where she was last seen.

Press conference at 5:30 p.m. on FOX

:sad:


O/T - The FBI just gave their PC and said Annie Le's body has not been found, she is still considered missing. They did find evidence that potentially may be linked to the case.

The Dailynews and FOX confirmed that a body HAD BEEN found but those reports were incorrect.

My apology for this confusion.

[Imperfect4]

O/T - The FBI just gave their PC and said Annie Le's body has not been found, she is still considered missing. They did find evidence that potentially may be linked to the case.

The Dailynews and FOX confirmed that a body HAD BEEN found but those reports were incorrect.

My apology for this confusion.

I went to foxnews.com as soon as you posted about a body being found, Scamp, and they had the story up just as you described it.

The confusion isn't your fault, that's for sure.

[Julie Dupree]

the reason I believe that Casey did tell her parents about a "Zanny the nanny" was when LE was questioning George at the PD and LE asked him if he had ever heard the name Zanny from Casey...George said YES, however, he ADDED that he didn't believe his daughter because when ever he would ask Caylee if she had fun at Zanny's, Caylee would act like she didn't know what he was talking about...George said that Caylee never mentioned the name nor would react when the name was mentioned to her.....

So, if George was just now bringing up the name Zanny, that wouldn't fit in with what he was saying...he was actually telling LE that he didn't believe there was such a person....

I believe that Casey made up that name some time back...and when she would take Caylee with her to one of her boyfriends house she didn't want G & C to know so she would say that Zanyy was watching Caylee while she went to work.....That is not to say that it was on a consistant bases but just when she did take Caylee with her....That is what I am gathering from this.....


I think you are right about the name "Zanny".
But, I think Zenida Fernandez Gonzalez was born on July 16, 2008.

[Bala]

O/T in case anyone is following the Annie Le case, the Yale student who is missing. They have found her body and a crime scene at the Amistad Building where she was last seen.

Press conference at 5:30 p.m. on FOX

:sad:
How sad. Today was to be her wedding day. Now instead her family will have to bury her. This world can be a very ugly place.
My heart and my prayers go out to her family.

[bchand]

At least we know Orange County has an "accessory afte the fact" charge and they will use it.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20853756/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The mother of a suspect in a fatal hit-and-run attempted to cover up the crime, according to a report released by the Orange County Sheriff's Office Friday.

According to the report, 48-year-old Randi Abrams, the mother of 18-year-old Justin Stewart, hid the car involved in the collision on her property because the car was damaged. Abrams said she would hide the car and do anything to protect Stewart, including saying she was driving, the report said. The group discussed plans to destroy the car, including attempting to burn it, the report said.

Abrams was arrested Friday afternoon and charged with accessory after the fact in relation to the hit-and-run crash, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office Homicide Unit.

Oh how I wish they would use it in this case.

[desmom]

desmom, remember that video you found the other day for really that had Joy talking about her beads...the one that had one of LP people (can not remember which one) arguing with a big man about what happened to the money that LP was suppose to give to Mr Miller?
Didn't he say he was a team leader for TE?

Joy is in this video at 1:14 http://www.wesh.com/video/18301280/index.html

During my search of the boards, I found this post I made April 11 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12994334&highlight=Wray#post12994334

I am still looking for the video you mentioned. BRB

[Julie Dupree]

Joy is in this video at 1:14 http://www.wesh.com/video/18301280/index.html

During my search of the boards, I found this post I made April 11 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12994334&highlight=Wray#post12994334

I am still looking for the video you mentioned. BRB


I found it desmom:)
Do you think it could be this man?

http://www.wftv.com/video/17974178/index.html

[Bala]

At least we know Orange County has an "accessory afte the fact" charge and they will use it.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20853756/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The mother of a suspect in a fatal hit-and-run attempted to cover up the crime, according to a report released by the Orange County Sheriff's Office Friday.

According to the report, 48-year-old Randi Abrams, the mother of 18-year-old Justin Stewart, hid the car involved in the collision on her property because the car was damaged. Abrams said she would hide the car and do anything to protect Stewart, including saying she was driving, the report said. The group discussed plans to destroy the car, including attempting to burn it, the report said.

Abrams was arrested Friday afternoon and charged with accessory after the fact in relation to the hit-and-run crash, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office Homicide Unit.

Oh how I wish they would use it in this case.
I think they'll wait until after they testify so they have no reason to claim the 5TH.

[Julie Dupree]

I think they'll wait until after they testify so they have no reason to claim the 5TH.

:) I am hoping they don't do anything really really stupid that would force LE to have to charge them with something.
I don't want them to have the option of pleading the 5th.

[desmom]

More statements from Equusearch searchers regarding the site where Caylee was found: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465424,00.html

Mandy Albritton, a member of EquuSearch — one of the groups that searched for the missing toddler — said their volunteers did not check the location in early September because it was submerged in water. When they returned in November, the site had been fenced off.

One of EquuSearch's volunteers, Deborah Smith, searched the area three times and said "she had a bad feeling" because Anthony had said her daughter was nearby.

"It's really wet and steep and there's lots of snakes back there," she said.

[desmom]

I found it desmom:)
Do you think it could be this man?

http://www.wftv.com/video/17974178/index.html

Thanks. Isn't the cowboy Dennis Miller?

[Julie Dupree]

More statements from Equusearch searchers regarding the site where Caylee was found: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465424,00.html

Mandy Albritton, a member of EquuSearch — one of the groups that searched for the missing toddler — said their volunteers did not check the location in early September because it was submerged in water. When they returned in November, the site had been fenced off.

One of EquuSearch's volunteers, Deborah Smith, searched the area three times and said "she had a bad feeling" because Anthony had said her daughter was nearby.

"It's really wet and steep and there's lots of snakes back there," she said.

I have yet to read one person's report of the area where Caylee was found that said the area was not wet in August and early September.
TE did not come back until November and they search a different area at that time.
I can not image where the records are that could say it is one of the searchers from TE that has this "compelling evidence".
Maybe they are counting on Joy or the man referenced in the above video, but neither of these can be considered reliable witnesses.

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks. Isn't the cowboy Dennis Miller?

Not sure desmom. Maybe someone else will know.

[desmom]

I have yet to read one person's report of the area where Caylee was found that said the area was not wet in August and early September.
TE did not come back until November and they search a different area at that time.
I can not image where the records are that could say it is one of the searchers from TE that has this "compelling evidence".
Maybe they are counting on Joy or the man referenced in the above video, but neither of these can be considered reliable witnesses.

While looking for the video, I had a light bulb moment.

Remember back when JB filed a motion for just one or two people's phone records. The THs had a blast pointing out JB just showed his hand and he should have asked for a whole bunch of records to disguise his game plan. What if JB's request for the TES records is to verify that Joy was a team leader and ID who else was on her team to confirm her story?

[Julie Dupree]

While looking for the video, I had a light bulb moment.

Remember back when JB filed a motion for just one or two people's phone records. The THs had a blast pointing out JB just showed his hand and he should have asked for a whole bunch of records to disguise his game plan. What if JB's request for the TES records is to verify that Joy was a team leader and ID who else was on her team to confirm her story?

BINGO!!!
I think you might be on to something with this desmom.
That could be why he wanted the right to just pick and chose which person he wanted to contact. Joy had given him the names of the people in her group.
:) Maybe your brilliance in finding things you can find more about this theory.

[seeing_eye]

I have yet to read one person's report of the area where Caylee was found that said the area was not wet in August and early September.
TE did not come back until November and they search a different area at that time.
I can not image where the records are that could say it is one of the searchers from TE that has this "compelling evidence".
Maybe they are counting on Joy or the man referenced in the above video, but neither of these can be considered reliable witnesses.

I'm not really a betting person, but I'd bet almost anything that the defense's "evidence" is Joy Wray. I hope it is, because that's going to be the downfall of the defense. Boy, with Joy Wray's history and background, they'd be better off using the testimony of a psychic! :laugh:

[Julie Dupree]

I'm not really a betting person, but I'd bet almost anything that the defense's "evidence" is Joy Wray. I hope it is, because that's going to be the downfall of the defense. Boy, with Joy Wray's history and background, they'd be better off using the testimony of a psychic! :laugh:

:) they have one of those also

[desmom]

oooh, I don't remember this video. http://www.wesh.com/video/17912936/index.html

It has a small clip with Gary Peterson, a forensic expert, TES brought with them in November to search for Caylee. Mr. Peterson has two photos of what appears to be of bushes and brush. Mr. Peterson said there are actually remains in those photos.

A Mr. Peterson would be able to explain to a jury why so many people have said they searched that area and did not find her remains. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I think you are right about the name "Zanny".
But, I think Zenida Fernandez Gonzalez was born on July 16, 2008.


Your right....I believe it had been recently (just prior to Caylee missing) that either Ricardo or Tone asked Casey what did Zanny stand for? And Casey said Zenaida.....I think she just thought quick for a name that would give a nick name of Zanny.....and then it just stuck with her and she played it off that way.....

[Julie Dupree]

oooh, I don't remember this video. http://www.wesh.com/video/17912936/index.html

It has a small clip with Gary Peterson, a forensic expert, TES brought with them in November to search for Caylee. Mr. Peterson has two photos of what appears to be of bushes and brush. Mr. Peterson said there are actually remains in those photos.

A Mr. Peterson would be able to explain to a jury why so many people have said they searched that area and did not find her remains. jmo

:) thanks so much desmom...I had forgotten that video. I remember when it first aired, my husband asked why I would want to go out there in conditions like this and possibly find something that would give me nightmares.

I can not understand why people are saying they searched the are where her remains were found, because they were searching no where close to that area. If I recall they were going to be closer to the airport. Maybe I am wrong on this, but I really think that is where they had gritted to search.

[Barbara fl.]

oooh, I don't remember this video. http://www.wesh.com/video/17912936/index.html

It has a small clip with Gary Peterson, a forensic expert, TES brought with them in November to search for Caylee. Mr. Peterson has two photos of what appears to be of bushes and brush. Mr. Peterson said there are actually remains in those photos.

A Mr. Peterson would be able to explain to a jury why so many people have said they searched that area and did not find her remains. jmo

My computer keeps shutting down everytime I try to pull it up...Do we know when these photo's were taken of the spot? And how would that prove that someone else put the body there? I would think that if they can prve the body was there at that time would discount it being placed there by anyone other than Casey prior to her arrest....

[legalmania]

Legalmania brought up a theory of what IF ZG was an illegal alien and high tailed it across the border. Well my problem with that is:

WHY didnt Casey tell the truth then?

It just doesnt make sense that Casey has lied and lied and her Family lied and lied IF they were innocent victims.

It also does not make any sense whatsoever that IF Casey were innocent why wasnt she upset, EVER? The only tears Casey has shed over any of this was in court and nly over the concern for her own heiny.

My son was taken by his birth father ( I cant post what I really call him) while my sister was babysitting him while I was at work. Let me tell you, I became INSTANTLY HYSTERICAL! A Doctor had to presribe meds to calm me down, and we knew where my son was and with whom! Thanks to God it ended well, My Son was well, I got full custody and we were never bothered by the jerk again. I just dont know if I can explain the terror and horror a Mother who loves her child goes thru when her child is missing/gone. Casey has NEVER exhibited that, EVER. I would have laid my life down immed. no questions asked or needed to make sure my son got back safely. The Police were my BEST FRIENDS! I will never be able to thank The Police and children services that stepped in to HELP me. Ugly coping my heiner! IMO Casey killed her child and went on her merry way.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

I saw a story the other night on ID and that sounds like the same story. It turned out good also. It's so refreshing to hear about the good ones because I get so depressed hearing about the bad ones.

Now let me answer some of your questions, in Annie Downings depos she said that Casey had two sets of friends one set didn't know about the other. I'm thinking one set was into drugs. That is where she got the drugs from. That's where she stayed for some of the 31 days. That was all those pings her phone was picking up in the middle of nowhere she was getting drugs. I think she passed out on the drugs and didn't have a clue where Caylee was. She was hoping Zanny the dealer had her when she found out she didn't, she knew she couldn't rat on these people or death becomes her so she had to enter lies. I'm not defending Casey I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

[Julie Dupree]

Your right....I believe it had been recently (just prior to Caylee missing) that either Ricardo or Tone asked Casey what did Zanny stand for? And Casey said Zenaida.....I think she just thought quick for a name that would give a nick name of Zanny.....and then it just stuck with her and she played it off that way.....

:) You are good Barbara, I don't remember hearing her say the word "Zenaida" to anyone before she told Lee about the kidnapping.
She sure has got herself into a corner with this. This is one lie that she is not going to be able to wiggle out of. It could send her to the "injection table"

[Julie Dupree]

My computer keeps shutting down everytime I try to pull it up...Do we know when these photo's were taken of the spot? And how would that prove that someone else put the body there? I would think that if they can prve the body was there at that time would discount it being placed there by anyone other than Casey prior to her arrest....


I think the photo's that Mr Peterson has are generic ones he is using for demonstration purposes ONLY.
I don't think they were used to represent anything connected to Caylee.

[legalmania]

My computer keeps shutting down everytime I try to pull it up...Do we know when these photo's were taken of the spot? And how would that prove that someone else put the body there? I would think that if they can prve the body was there at that time would discount it being placed there by anyone other than Casey prior to her arrest....

Before Caylee was found after storm. It was a little cool so I would say about October. They can only prove that through evidence and a jury.

[legalmania]

:) You are good Barbara, I don't remember hearing her say the word "Zenaida" to anyone before she told Lee about the kidnapping.
She sure has got herself into a corner with this. This is one lie that she is not going to be able to wiggle out of. It could send her to the "injection table"

Actually Casey said the full name ZFG. Over and over she made sure they had the name right.

[happygert]

Your right....I believe it had been recently (just prior to Caylee missing) that either Ricardo or Tone asked Casey what did Zanny stand for? And Casey said Zenaida.....I think she just thought quick for a name that would give a nick name of Zanny.....and then it just stuck with her and she played it off that way.....

My sister is a drug and alcohol counselor.. when she heard zanny the nanny. she said that casey was drugging Caylee with xanax.. On the street they are called zannies, zanny bars.. IMO casey was drugging Caylee and putting her in the trunk when she was hopping from bed to bed and partying. cindy even let it slip "when Caylee was NOT with casey she was here with me".. There was no nanny and no sitter and cindy knew it.. I want to know where Caylee was the night she went to bed at RM and when he woke up Caylee was gone.. casey told him that cindy had called in the middle of the night and wanted Caylee home and she took her home.. That never happened.. Where was Caylee.. Where did casey put her that night? IMO she drugged her and put her in the trunk of her car.. so casey could get her groove on with RM without Caylee interrupting.. I also think everytime casey said Caylee was with zanny she was laughing at everyone because they didnt catch on..thought she'd was really pulling a good one off on cindy..

[Julie Dupree]

I saw a story the other night on ID and that sounds like the same story. It turned out good also. It's so refreshing to hear about the good ones because I get so depressed hearing about the bad ones.

Now let me answer some of your questions, in Annie Downings depos she said that Casey had two sets of friends one set didn't know about the other. I'm thinking one set was into drugs. That is where she got the drugs from. That's where she stayed for some of the 31 days. That was all those pings her phone was picking up in the middle of nowhere she was getting drugs. I think she passed out on the drugs and didn't have a clue where Caylee was. She was hoping Zanny the dealer had her when she found out she didn't, she knew she couldn't rat on these people or death becomes her so she had to enter lies. I'm not defending Casey I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

I am not sure this will ever be a case that anyone will ever "make any sense" of any part of it.
There have been so many lies told by so many people none of it will ever make any sense.
I think the state will be able to prove their case for homicide and will prove that Casey is guilty of murder, but will they be able to "make sense of it", I really doubt it.

[desmom]

My computer keeps shutting down everytime I try to pull it up...Do we know when these photo's were taken of the spot? And how would that prove that someone else put the body there? I would think that if they can prve the body was there at that time would discount it being placed there by anyone other than Casey prior to her arrest....

The photos? The ones Mr. Peterson used in the interview? Those photos were not of where Caylee was found. Mr. Peterson brought the photos as a learning aid for the searchers. The photos look like a bunch of trees, tree roots and branches. Mr. Peterson explained there were remains in the photos.

[djmsmom]

My sister is a drug and alcohol counselor.. when she heard zanny the nanny. she said that casey was drugging Caylee with xanax.. On the street they are called zannies, zanny bars.. IMO casey was drugging Caylee and putting her in the trunk when she was hopping from bed to bed and partying. cindy even let it slip "when Caylee was NOT with casey she was here with me".. There was no nanny and no sitter and cindy knew it.. I want to know where Caylee was the night she went to bed at RM and when he woke up Caylee was gone.. casey told him that cindy had called in the middle of the night and wanted Caylee home and she took her home.. That never happened.. Where was Caylee.. Where did casey put her that night? IMO she drugged her and put her in the trunk of her car.. so casey could get her groove on with RM without Caylee interrupting.. I also think everytime casey said Caylee was with zanny she was laughing at everyone because they didnt catch on..thought she'd was really pulling a good one off on cindy..
ITA Zanny is the drug that was keeping Caylee out of the way.

[desmom]

Thanks. Isn't the cowboy Dennis Miller?

Quoted myself for correction....

The man's name is Dennis Martin, I think. :blushing:

[Julie Dupree]

My sister is a drug and alcohol counselor.. when she heard zanny the nanny. she said that casey was drugging Caylee with xanax.. On the street they are called zannies, zanny bars.. IMO casey was drugging Caylee and putting her in the trunk when she was hopping from bed to bed and partying. cindy even let it slip "when Caylee was NOT with casey she was here with me".. There was no nanny and no sitter and cindy knew it.. I want to know where Caylee was the night she went to bed at RM and when he woke up Caylee was gone.. casey told him that cindy had called in the middle of the night and wanted Caylee home and she took her home.. That never happened.. Where was Caylee.. Where did casey put her that night? IMO she drugged her and put her in the trunk of her car.. so casey could get her groove on with RM without Caylee interrupting.. I also think everytime casey said Caylee was with zanny she was laughing at everyone because they didnt catch on..thought she'd was really pulling a good one off on cindy..


:( I hope your sister is wrong about this gert.
To be put into a trunk would have to be miserable for her. The heat here during the day is unbearable. Even tho the outside temp does cool down some at night, I doubt without any air circulation, the inside of the car trunk ever got anywhere close to being habitable.
Maybe she found someplace else to keep her. But I also think there is a good possibility that the drugs were used as a baby sitter. I have thought this for some while. The only thing that holds me back on that theory is the heat in the car.

[Julie Dupree]

Quoted myself for correction....

The man's name is Dennis Martin, I think. :blushing:

Was that the man rumored to be Joy's boyfriend?? Name is ringing a bell, but I can not place it.
(getting old is not always fun)

[desmom]

I saw a story the other night on ID and that sounds like the same story. It turned out good also. It's so refreshing to hear about the good ones because I get so depressed hearing about the bad ones.

Now let me answer some of your questions, in Annie Downings depos she said that Casey had two sets of friends one set didn't know about the other. I'm thinking one set was into drugs. That is where she got the drugs from. That's where she stayed for some of the 31 days. That was all those pings her phone was picking up in the middle of nowhere she was getting drugs. I think she passed out on the drugs and didn't have a clue where Caylee was. She was hoping Zanny the dealer had her when she found out she didn't, she knew she couldn't rat on these people or death becomes her so she had to enter lies. I'm not defending Casey I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

Actually she had 3 group of friends - her old friends: Annie, Sean Daly, Jonathan Daly; her new friends - Amy and Ricardo; and her new new friends - Tone and friends.

Casey went shopping, bar hopping, clubbing, had a manicure, got a new tattoo, helped her new friend Will host a 4th of July party.

IMO, not the behavior of a woman that does not know where or her two year old is and suspects she is in the custody of a drug dealer.

[101Spots]

Is everybody sitting down? Seat belts fastened? Tray table in the upright and locked position?

Morgan's New Motion to Compel (http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf)

Mr. Morgan seems to be *fully* aware that DCasey speaks out of both sides of his mouth. :D And he does a nice job of pointing this out to Judge Rotten.

[Julie Dupree]

Is everybody sitting down? Seat belts fastened? Tray table in the upright and locked position?

Morgan's New Motion to Compel (http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf)

Mr. Morgan seems to be *fully* aware that DCasey speaks out of both sides of his mouth. :D And he does a nice job of pointing this out to Judge Rotten.

:) you have such a good way of paraphrasing, even names

[101Spots]

Additional Files:

DCasey Interview Part 1 (http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_A_Part_1.pdf)

DCasey Interview Part 2 (http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_A_Part_2.pdf)

Exhibiut B (http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_B.pdf)

Exhibit C (http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_C.pdf)

Exhibit D (http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_D.pdf)

[happygert]

ITA Zanny is the drug that was keeping Caylee out of the way.

yep...While she was saying to her mom and friends that zanny had Caylee inside she was laughing her azz off.. She knew that poor baby was drugged up and in the trunk..

[Deannalynn]

:( I hope your sister is wrong about this gert.
To be put into a trunk would have to be miserable for her. The heat here during the day is unbearable. Even tho the outside temp does cool down some at night, I doubt without any air circulation, the inside of the car trunk ever got anywhere close to being habitable.
Maybe she found someplace else to keep her. But I also think there is a good possibility that the drugs were used as a baby sitter. I have thought this for some while. The only thing that holds me back on that theory is the heat in the car.

I'm just wondering if Casey had just began putting Caylee in the trunk of her car in the last few months before Casey was killed.
Has anyone checked to see what the temperatures were from January thru June 2008 at night. Like after 8 P.M. I'm just thinking if Casey had been putting Caylee in the truck in the evening if the temps were considerably lower than in the daytime..I'm sure when July hit and the rest of the summer, Casey knew she couldn't put Caylee in the trunk any longer at night.
Where I come from It may get to be 118 in the day and at 11 O'clock at night it only drops to 98.

I have to say the Zanny=Xanax really makes a lot of sense and she would be able to get hold of that. Cindy was a nurse and perhaps she was taking it and had Casey on it. They were both a couple of very anxious and emotional woman. :shrug:

[seeing_eye]

Actually Casey said the full name ZFG. Over and over she made sure they had the name right.

Yes, but "when" did she say the full name over and over? I don't think she did that until after Cindy caught up with her and brought her home.

[Barbara fl.]

My sister is a drug and alcohol counselor.. when she heard zanny the nanny. she said that casey was drugging Caylee with xanax.. On the street they are called zannies, zanny bars.. IMO casey was drugging Caylee and putting her in the trunk when she was hopping from bed to bed and partying. cindy even let it slip "when Caylee was NOT with casey she was here with me".. There was no nanny and no sitter and cindy knew it.. I want to know where Caylee was the night she went to bed at RM and when he woke up Caylee was gone.. casey told him that cindy had called in the middle of the night and wanted Caylee home and she took her home.. That never happened.. Where was Caylee.. Where did casey put her that night? IMO she drugged her and put her in the trunk of her car.. so casey could get her groove on with RM without Caylee interrupting.. I also think everytime casey said Caylee was with zanny she was laughing at everyone because they didnt catch on..thought she'd was really pulling a good one off on cindy..


All that you say could very well be true...but I just don't go along with the Zanny being xanax....Padilla also said that very "factly" in offering his opinion on this...but for some reason I just do not go along with that....I believe that she had to say a name to anyone around her as to where she was bringing Caylee to, while she was "supposedly" at work....but I believe that George was her baby sitter most of the time...I think that it was only on the nights that Casey wanted to hang out and Cindy would probably say "whose going to be watching Caylee?"? thus indicating that neither her nor George were going to watch Caylee while she went out to clubs.....

I really can not buy the theory that she would often put Caylee in the trunk of her car....at night in Florida, it is just as hot as in the day time (during the summer) and there is no way a child would survive in the back seat for more then two hours more less a trunk of a car...Caylee would have been found dead a long time ago if that was a practice of Casey's....I believe that the only time Caylee was in the trunk of that car was after she was deceased....jmo

[seeing_eye]

I saw a story the other night on ID and that sounds like the same story. It turned out good also. It's so refreshing to hear about the good ones because I get so depressed hearing about the bad ones.

Now let me answer some of your questions, in Annie Downings depos she said that Casey had two sets of friends one set didn't know about the other. I'm thinking one set was into drugs. That is where she got the drugs from. That's where she stayed for some of the 31 days. That was all those pings her phone was picking up in the middle of nowhere she was getting drugs. I think she passed out on the drugs and didn't have a clue where Caylee was. She was hoping Zanny the dealer had her when she found out she didn't, she knew she couldn't rat on these people or death becomes her so she had to enter lies. I'm not defending Casey I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

My bolding.

If Casey came to and didn't know where Caylee was, when did she find her? When did she let her decompose in the trunk of her car? When did she put the tape over her mouth and nose?

[Barbara fl.]

Yes, but "when" did she say the full name over and over? I don't think she did that until after Cindy caught up with her and brought her home.


Yes, it was only AFTER Caylee was missing....the night that Cindy found her, that she said the whole name....And, that is probably due to the fact that she knew she would have to give a full name of a baby sitter to sound like she is being truthful....

[happygert]

:( I hope your sister is wrong about this gert.
To be put into a trunk would have to be miserable for her. The heat here during the day is unbearable. Even tho the outside temp does cool down some at night, I doubt without any air circulation, the inside of the car trunk ever got anywhere close to being habitable.
Maybe she found someplace else to keep her. But I also think there is a good possibility that the drugs were used as a baby sitter. I have thought this for some while. The only thing that holds me back on that theory is the heat in the car.

The heat in the car.. at night it's cool most of the time she was running around the house until right before her mom got home.. then she'd leave.. or still be there getting ready.. she'd probably give Caylee the drugs while she was riding around once Caylee was asleep she's go somewhere there not a lot of people wait until dark and put her in the trunk.. she'd get her out before the heat was too high.. IMO she'd take her out in the wee hours of the morning when she came home or early in the morning when she went home after cindy left for work.. I dont believe she was left in the trunk during the day..

[Julie Dupree]

I'm just wondering if Casey had just began putting Caylee in the trunk of her car in the last few months before Casey was killed.
Has anyone checked to see what the temperatures were from January thru June 2008 at night. Like after 8 P.M. I'm just thinking if Casey had been putting Caylee in the truck in the evening if the temps were considerably lower than in the daytime..I'm sure when July hit and the rest of the summer, Casey knew she couldn't put Caylee in the trunk any longer at night.
Where I come from It may get to be 118 in the day and at 11 O'clock at night it only drops to 98.

I have to say the Zanny=Xanax really makes a lot of sense and she would be able to get hold of that. Cindy was a nurse and perhaps she was taking it and had Casey on it. They were both a couple of very anxious and emotional woman. :shrug:

Without going back and getting the exact tempatures for July, I can tell you it was hot. Here it is the middle of Septemeber and we are still having mid 70's during the night. I think if we were to get the temps for May/June/July we would find they were in the upper 80's at night.
But the inside of the trunk would have been much hotter than that I think.JMO
These are temps for today and the week end.

Orlando
81° F, Clear

Sun

85 74
T-stormsMon

91 74
Chance of T-stormsTue

93 73
T-storms

[ish]

Your right....I believe it had been recently (just prior to Caylee missing) that either Ricardo or Tone asked Casey what did Zanny stand for? And Casey said Zenaida.....I think she just thought quick for a name that would give a nick name of Zanny.....and then it just stuck with her and she played it off that way.....

I believe Ricardo is the only one who says Casey said Zanny was short for Zenaida, allegedly she told him that prior to Caylee being missing.

I also noticed in re reading Casey's statement, once LE told her Apt 210 was vacant and had been for a long time, her future statements said that ZFG met her and Caylee at the "stairs" as she had in the past.She stuck with leaving Caylee with ZFG at the stairs in the rest of her interviews.

[legalmania]

Actually she had 3 group of friends - her old friends: Annie, Sean Daly, Jonathan Daly; her new friends - Amy and Ricardo; and her new new friends - Tone and friends.

Casey went shopping, bar hopping, clubbing, had a manicure, got a new tattoo, helped her new friend Will host a 4th of July party.

IMO, not the behavior of a woman that does not know where or her two year old is and suspects she is in the custody of a drug dealer.

She was stealing definitely the actions of somebody on drugs and somebody was treating her, she had Caylee with her when she got the tattoo, somebody was giving her money for gas and gave her a place to stay. I worked with these kinds of people all the time they would constantly forget where their kids were. Whenever Annie asked Casey where is Caylee she would say oh at the beach or at the park. She was trusting somebody with Caylee.

[desmom]

All that you say could very well be true...but I just don't go along with the Zanny being xanax....Padilla also said that very "factly" in offering his opinion on this...but for some reason I just do not go along with that....I believe that she had to say a name to anyone around her as to where she was bringing Caylee to, while she was "supposedly" at work....but I believe that George was her baby sitter most of the time...I think that it was only on the nights that Casey wanted to hang out and Cindy would probably say "whose going to be watching Caylee?"? thus indicating that neither her nor George were going to watch Caylee while she went out to clubs.....

I really can not buy the theory that she would often put Caylee in the trunk of her car....at night in Florida, it is just as hot as in the day time (during the summer) and there is no way a child would survive in the back seat for more then two hours more less a trunk of a car...Caylee would have been found dead a long time ago if that was a practice of Casey's....I believe that the only time Caylee was in the trunk of that car was after she was deceased....jmo

I agree. When I was working on the One Year Ago Today posts, I spent a lot of time reading Casey's text messages and witness statements. Casey used excuses like Caylee's nanny was unavailable, she was waiting on Cindy to get home, she was not feeling well or she was spending a relaxing evening at home several times.

IMO, Caylee was at home with Cindy or George, Casey took Caylee with her or Casey stayed home.

[Barbara fl.]

I believe Ricardo is the only one who says Casey said Zanny was short for Zenaida, allegedly she told him that prior to Caylee being missing.

I also noticed in re reading Casey's statement, once LE told her Apt 210 was vacant and had been for a long time, her future statements said that ZFG met her and Caylee at the "stairs" as she had in the past.She stuck with leaving Caylee with ZFG at the stairs in the rest of her interviews.


That always got to me...Why would she (Casey) be so stupid as to give an apt number to where she dropped Caylee off ? She had to have known that would be the first place the police would go.....That's not just dumb, that is dumber then dumb....But then again she brought LE all the way to the door of a job that she didn't have for 2 years....:shrug:

[happygert]

All that you say could very well be true...but I just don't go along with the Zanny being xanax....Padilla also said that very "factly" in offering his opinion on this...but for some reason I just do not go along with that....I believe that she had to say a name to anyone around her as to where she was bringing Caylee to, while she was "supposedly" at work....but I believe that George was her baby sitter most of the time...I think that it was only on the nights that Casey wanted to hang out and Cindy would probably say "whose going to be watching Caylee?"? thus indicating that neither her nor George were going to watch Caylee while she went out to clubs.....

I really can not buy the theory that she would often put Caylee in the trunk of her car....at night in Florida, it is just as hot as in the day time (during the summer) and there is no way a child would survive in the back seat for more then two hours more less a trunk of a car...Caylee would have been found dead a long time ago if that was a practice of Casey's....I believe that the only time Caylee was in the trunk of that car was after she was deceased....jmo

I truly believe she was in that trunk and you have to remember it was early summer.. it was in June.. I still believe Caylee was in the trunk of that car many times.. no way would she leave a child in the back seat of the car too many people could see her if in trunk NO ONE would see her.. she could have also left the windows down a little pulled the backseat back a little where more air would get in.. In newer cars the top of the back seat comes down.. My niece had a sunfire and you could pull the back seat away and it would come down.. they locked keys in trunk they pulled seat down got in the trunk and got the keys..

[ish]

Yes, it was only AFTER Caylee was missing....the night that Cindy found her, that she said the whole name....And, that is probably due to the fact that she knew she would have to give a full name of a baby sitter to sound like she is being truthful....

Casey most likely thought 3 names "sounded" more truthful. Hey, all those little details kept Cindy at bay for months, she probably thought she could stall the cops indefinately with her BS.

[Deannalynn]

Without going back and getting the exact tempatures for July, I can tell you it was hot. Here it is the middle of Septemeber and we are still having mid 70's during the night. I think if we were to get the temps for May/June/July we would find they were in the upper 80's at night.
But the inside of the trunk would have been much hotter than that I think.JMO
These are temps for today and the week end.

Orlando
81° F, Clear

Sun

85 74
T-stormsMon

91 74
Chance of T-stormsTue

93 73
T-storms

Well then it seems to me that she may not have had her in the trunk at night while she party'd. But, where did she have her. We can almost bet she had her sleeping by force. Where. She did have the inflatable bed in the trunk IIRC.:blink:

[legalmania]

Yes, but "when" did she say the full name over and over? I don't think she did that until after Cindy caught up with her and brought her home.

I believe Lee knows the whole story, that is why he is asking for immunity.Only Casey and Lee have the answer to when, but she did make it a point to LE.

[Julie Dupree]

I truly believe she was in that trunk and you have to remember it was early summer.. it was in June.. I still believe Caylee was in the trunk of that car many times.. no way would she leave a child in the back seat of the car too many people could see her if in trunk NO ONE would see her.. she could have also left the windows down a little pulled the backseat back a little where more air would get in.. In newer cars the top of the back seat comes down.. My niece had a sunfire and you could pull the back seat away and it would come down.. they locked keys in trunk they pulled seat down got in the trunk and got the keys..

I pray that of all the abusive things that Casey could have done, (and probably did do a lot of them), to Caylee....putting her in the trunk of the car was not one of them.

[Neffy]

That always got to me...Why would she (Casey) be so stupid as to give an apt number to where she dropped Caylee off ? She had to have known that would be the first place the police would go.....That's not just dumb, that is dumber then dumb....But then again she brought LE all the way to the door of a job that she didn't have for 2 years....:shrug:

Casey has never been made to account for any of her BSing. She made up a story, threw out some lines to her parents and friends ....end of story. Force of habit. I think she was utterly shocked when LE pressed her. Something George and Cindy has never done EVEN after it was found out it involved their grandchild. Casey was off limits. Cindy took it to the airwaves to have the world look for Caylee, everyone but CASEY.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree. When I was working on the One Year Ago Today posts, I spent a lot of time reading Casey's text messages and witness statements. Casey used excuses like Caylee's nanny was unavailable, she was waiting on Cindy to get home, she was not feeling well or she was spending a relaxing evening at home several times.

IMO, Caylee was at home with Cindy or George, Casey took Caylee with her or Casey stayed home.


Yes, that is exactly how I feel...Caylee was at home most of the time...

If a two year old had been drugged up with xanax and stuffed in a trunk of a car....just no way would she have survived the first time....

[happygert]

I agree. When I was working on the One Year Ago Today posts, I spent a lot of time reading Casey's text messages and witness statements. Casey used excuses like Caylee's nanny was unavailable, she was waiting on Cindy to get home, she was not feeling well or she was spending a relaxing evening at home several times.

IMO, Caylee was at home with Cindy or George, Casey took Caylee with her or Casey stayed home.

Where was Caylee the night casey and Caylee stayed at RM's RM said Caylee was there when they went to bed, He got up and Caylee was gone.. casey told him cindy called and wanted Caylee home and she took her home.. That never happened.. Where did casey take Caylee?

Where was Caylee the week before the 15 of June? IIRC she wasnt with casey she was partying and she wasn't at cindys...Where was she?

[desmom]

I believe Ricardo is the only one who says Casey said Zanny was short for Zenaida, allegedly she told him that prior to Caylee being missing.

I also noticed in re reading Casey's statement, once LE told her Apt 210 was vacant and had been for a long time, her future statements said that ZFG met her and Caylee at the "stairs" as she had in the past.She stuck with leaving Caylee with ZFG at the stairs in the rest of her interviews.

That is when Casey was still running with the June 9 date. I wish those interviews had video because I would have loved to seen the look on her face when LE told her she did not leave Caylee at Sawgrass the morning of June 9 because Casey and Caylee spent the night at Ricardo's on June 9.

I bet it was an Oh Carp moment for Casey.

jmo

[happygert]

Yes, that is exactly how I feel...Caylee was at home most of the time...

If a two year old had been drugged up with xanax and stuffed in a trunk of a car....just no way would she have survived the first time....

Where was she? she wasnt with casey, she wasnt with cindy. no sitter no nanny.where did casey put her?

[ish]

That always got to me...Why would she (Casey) be so stupid as to give an apt number to where she dropped Caylee off ? She had to have known that would be the first place the police would go.....That's not just dumb, that is dumber then dumb....But then again she brought LE all the way to the door of a job that she didn't have for 2 years....:shrug:

She was buying herself time, 2 minutes, 10 minutes, 1 hour, whatever time each lie bought her. When that time was up, another lie, another window of time. Her problem was Cindy gave up up after a few rounds, Yuri and John Allen kept after her. Even in Cindy's interview with Matt Irwin she says, "they didn't give her a chance to talk, yes she told SOME lies, but they didn't listen to her" In the past Cindy kept listening as long as Casey talked, and Casey talked and BSed Cindy til Cindy gave up.

[Barbara fl.]

Casey has never been made to account for any of her BSing. She made up a story, threw out some lines to her parents and friends ....end of story. Force of habit. I think she was utterly shocked when LE pressed her. Something George and Cindy has never done EVEN after it was found out it involved their grandchild. Casey was off limits. Cindy took it to the airwaves to have the world look for Caylee, everyone but CASEY.


But I can not even see a child making up such a lie....What did she think the police were going to do? Say "Oh, if you say you brought your child there then she must be ok, and leave?"..Even a total idiot would know better then that....

All I do know for sure, Casey is going ....bottom line....."Not Guilty" are words she will never hear at her trial....

[Neffy]

Well then it seems to me that she may not have had her in the trunk at night while she party'd. But, where did she have her. We can almost bet she had her sleeping by force. Where. She did have the inflatable bed in the trunk IIRC.:blink:

Cindy and George had her. Cindy would call all over town for Casey to get her azz home. Casey didn't do all nighters until Caylee was dead.

[Barbara fl.]

She was buying herself time, 2 minutes, 10 minutes, 1 hour, whatever time each lie bought her. When that time was up, another lie, another window of time. Her problem was Cindy gave up up after a few rounds, Yuri and John Allen kept after her. Even in Cindy's interview with Matt Irwin she says, "they didn't give her a chance to talk, yes she told SOME lies, but they didn't listen to her" In the past Cindy kept listening as long as Casey talked, and Casey talked and BSed Cindy til Cindy gave up.


Sounds just like Casey......your right....

[Julie Dupree]

That is when Casey was still running with the June 9 date. I wish those interviews had video because I would have loved to seen the look on her face when LE told her she did not leave Caylee at Sawgrass the morning of June 9 because Casey and Caylee spent the night at Ricardo's on June 9.

I bet it was an Oh Carp moment for Casey.

jmo

Thanks for the giggle before I go desmom...
Wonder if the "Oh Carp" moment is what JB is aiming for when he says we can expect an "AAHAAAA" moment?

Gotta run, enjoy your evening
J

[happygert]

I pray that of all the abusive things that Casey could have done, (and probably did do a lot of them), to Caylee....putting her in the trunk of the car was not one of them.


Yes casey did a lot of things to Caylee. No one has to believe what I believe but thats my feelings. Is that Caylee was in the trunk.. no where else she could have been when she wasnt with cindy and she left with casey and when casey was partying and there was no Caylee.. Where did she put her?

[Deannalynn]

I don't think it was a co-inky-dinky that Casey just happened to come across that duct tape either. I think she used that duct everytime she had her asleep in case she did wake up, Seems logical to me.
If George is anything like most all men they know where everything is in their garage when they go to get it. Every tool, bolt, nut and duct tape when they need it.
You can't tell me that George didn't know his duct tape was missing.:sneaky:

[Neffy]

But I can not even see a child making up such a lie....What did she think the police were going to do? Say "Oh, if you say you brought your child there then she must be ok, and leave?"..Even a total idiot would know better then that....

All I do know for sure, Casey is going ....bottom line....."Not Guilty" are words she will never hear at her trial....

Agreed! Yep totally insane that Casey thought she could throw out a line. Left with Nanny, Sawgrass, missing. Go to work boys. Bye. Chairs definately not pushed in around the table in Casey land. I should say Anthony land. They're helping peddle it.

[Barbara fl.]

Without going back and getting the exact tempatures for July, I can tell you it was hot. Here it is the middle of Septemeber and we are still having mid 70's during the night. I think if we were to get the temps for May/June/July we would find they were in the upper 80's at night.
But the inside of the trunk would have been much hotter than that I think.JMO
These are temps for today and the week end.

Orlando
81° F, Clear

Sun

85 74
T-stormsMon

91 74
Chance of T-stormsTue

93 73
T-storms


After the sun has been beating down on the trunk all day...trust me, it would take till the wee hours of the morning before it would cool down a little (but still too hot for someone to be in)...it's just not feasable...Caylee would have been dead long before....

[desmom]

She was stealing definitely the actions of somebody on drugs and somebody was treating her, she had Caylee with her when she got the tattoo, somebody was giving her money for gas and gave her a place to stay. I worked with these kinds of people all the time they would constantly forget where their kids were. Whenever Annie asked Casey where is Caylee she would say oh at the beach or at the park. She was trusting somebody with Caylee.

Caylee was not with Casey when she got her tattoo on July 3.

IMO, not everyone that steals does drugs.

Casey was stealing gas from the shed, stealing money from Caylee's piggy bank and savings account, Cindy's purse, her grandparents, her brother, her brother's roommate. Who knows how many times she lifted a 5 spot from people's money at the bar. George said he would spot her $10 or $20 on occasion.

Casey did not have a job and from the looks of her bedroom and Caylee's bedroom, she loved to shop. I think sticky fingers Casey spent her new found $$$ on material things.

jmo

[legalmania]

My bolding.

If Casey came to and didn't know where Caylee was, when did she find her? When did she let her decompose in the trunk of her car? When did she put the tape over her mouth and nose?

The drug dealers were moving around a lot so maybe the drug dealers put Caylee in the car because she was awake when Casey woke up she had no idea where Caylee was called the drug dealers and they said she was in the car . Caylee was dead. It only takes about 45 minutes to 1 hour to die of heat at that age. She put Caylee in the trunk and drove to mom and dads where she backed in and covered her up.

[Imperfect4]

My sister is a drug and alcohol counselor.. when she heard zanny the nanny. she said that casey was drugging Caylee with xanax.. On the street they are called zannies, zanny bars.. IMO casey was drugging Caylee and putting her in the trunk when she was hopping from bed to bed and partying. cindy even let it slip "when Caylee was NOT with casey she was here with me".. There was no nanny and no sitter and cindy knew it.. I want to know where Caylee was the night she went to bed at RM and when he woke up Caylee was gone.. casey told him that cindy had called in the middle of the night and wanted Caylee home and she took her home.. That never happened.. Where was Caylee.. Where did casey put her that night? IMO she drugged her and put her in the trunk of her car.. so casey could get her groove on with RM without Caylee interrupting.. I also think everytime casey said Caylee was with zanny she was laughing at everyone because they didnt catch on..thought she'd was really pulling a good one off on cindy..

I have, from the very first mention of "Zanny," assumed it was slang for Xanax and that's exactly the context in which Casey used it. She came up with the ZFG when someone asked her more pointed questions, apparently.

I, too, think she was drugging Caylee. I don't know how often or under what circumstances or where she put the baby after she fell asleep, but I've always assumed Zanny was Xanax and Casey used it on Caylee. Maybe once, maybe a half dozen times, maybe regularly.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think it was a co-inky-dinky that Casey just happened to come across that duct tape either. I think she used that duct everytime she had her asleep in case she did wake up, Seems logical to me.
If George is anything like most all men they know where everything is in their garage when they go to get it. Every tool, bolt, nut and duct tape when they need it.
You can't tell me that George didn't know his duct tape was missing.:sneaky:


But think about it...If Caylee had tape around her mouth to prevent her from screaming if she woke up....inside a trunk of a car, where there is no air circulating....her nose would get stuffed up immediately, thus leaving her no passage of air....she would not have survived more then 1/2 hour....

I still believe that the tape was the murder weapon...used the night that Casey murdered her.....jmo

[ish]

Yes, that is exactly how I feel...Caylee was at home most of the time...

If a two year old had been drugged up with xanax and stuffed in a trunk of a car....just no way would she have survived the first time....

Agree here, When Casey bailed on her friends, it was the times Cindy and George refused or weren't available to babysit. The older Caylee got the later she stayed up, the more work was involved in watching her, and the less Cindy felt like sitting after putting in a full days work. Casey saw what little freedom she had slipping away, she had Caylee during the day, okay her friends were at school or working, but now she is starting to be stuck in at night when her friends are out having fun and she is home reading nursery rhymes and giving baths, she sees her future as more of the same as long as Caylee is around.

[legalmania]

Caylee was not with Casey when she got her tattoo on July 3.

IMO, not everyone that steals does drugs.

Casey was stealing gas from the shed, stealing money from Caylee's piggy bank and savings account, Cindy's purse, her grandparents, her brother, her brother's roommate. Who knows how many times she lifted a 5 spot from people's money at the bar. George said he would spot her $10 or $20 on occasion.

Casey did not have a job and from the looks of her bedroom and Caylee's bedroom, she loved to shop. I think sticky fingers Casey spent her new found $$$ on material things.

jmo

Yes I meant to say she wasn't with her at the tattoo. Something happened to Casey because she was working and doing good , that something was drugs.

[Neffy]

I don't think it was a co-inky-dinky that Casey just happened to come across that duct tape either. I think she used that duct everytime she had her asleep in case she did wake up, Seems logical to me.
If George is anything like most all men they know where everything is in their garage when they go to get it. Every tool, bolt, nut and duct tape when they need it.
You can't tell me that George didn't know his duct tape was missing.:sneaky:

Caylee was with Cindy at night. Where is this coming from? Casey didn't work. The nanny didn't pop up until Casey lost her job. She was the day nanny, at home. She'd drop Caylee off at her moms job before her mom got out of work or with George saying she was working nights.

[Neffy]

Yes I meant to say she wasn't with her at the tattoo. Something happened to Casey because she was working and doing good , that something was drugs.

She stopped showing up for work after she had Caylee. Within a month or so. She was never doing good. What the heck? I don't even know if she ever worked full time. She never graduated and got a two bit job taking photo's at Disney World then got herself knocked up.

[legalmania]

But think about it...If Caylee had tape around her mouth to prevent her from screaming if she woke up....inside a trunk of a car, where there is no air circulating....her nose would get stuffed up immediately, thus leaving her no passage of air....she would not have survived more then 1/2 hour....

I still believe that the tape was the murder weapon...used the night that Casey murdered her.....jmo


If she used tape on her everytime her little mouth would have been bleeding and ripped. I think she was already dead when she put the duct tape on and the sticker on as I love you how could I let this happen to you.

[happygert]

I have, from the very first mention of "Zanny," assumed it was slang for Xanax and that's exactly the context in which Casey used it. She came up with the ZFG when someone asked her more pointed questions, apparently.

I, too, think she was drugging Caylee. I don't know how often or under what circumstances or where she put the baby after she fell asleep, but I've always assumed Zanny was Xanax and Casey used it on Caylee. Maybe once, maybe a half dozen times, maybe regularly.

I dont know how often either.. But IMO casey drugged Caylee at the no clothes party.. IIRC casey took her to that party.. and Caylee was supposed to have slept thru the whole thing and never woke up.. Now I dont know about anyone elses kids/grandkids but if the TV was too loud mine woke up..

Who really knows when the last time Caylee was really seen the first time line was June 9th then it was the 16.. you can change the date on the camera's who really knows but casey, cindy ,george and lee.

[happygert]

If she used tape on her everytime her little mouth would have been bleeding and ripped. I think she was already dead when she put the duct tape on and the sticker on as I love you how could I let this happen to you.

Why would she put it on after death? Caylee was murdered by casey putting duct tape on her mouth and nose..

[farrahrani]

The drug dealers were moving around a lot so maybe the drug dealers put Caylee in the car because she was awake when Casey woke up she had no idea where Caylee was called the drug dealers and they said she was in the car . Caylee was dead. It only takes about 45 minutes to 1 hour to die of heat at that age. She put Caylee in the trunk and drove to mom and dads where she backed in and covered her up.



See...I don't see Casey as being that self sacrificing for a dealer. I mean she tried to throw Jesse under the bus from day one, fgs. And THAT was someone who was willing to raise her child as his own, and support them both!

No, if they put that child in the trunk and she died, the first thing Casey would have done was call the cops, there would have been a set of prints on the car, and an investigation would have begun, IMO.

As far as her stealing to support her alleged drug habit, I disagree. She only stole periodically as needed, not on a regular basis to support a craving, as far as we know. She bought junk with it. Clothes, food, sunglasses, junk... and her tattoo. Her stealing habits suggest someone more along the lines of pretending to have a job and surprise her boyfriend with dinners and stuff, not someone who had a routine habit and needed cash constantly. Nobody knew her to do heavy drugs, even her friends that no longer were her friends said nothing to indicate a drug issue.

[Imperfect4]

Cindy and George had her. Cindy would call all over town for Casey to get her azz home. Casey didn't do all nighters until Caylee was dead.

Not exactly. Casey and Caylee (presumably) did many all-nighters when Casey and Ricardo were officially dating. Per Ricardo, when they became a regular item, Casey and Caylee (presumably) stayed at his place several nights a week.

[Rapunzel]

Part 1 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17124345/index.html

Part 2 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17124638/index.html

Part 3 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17124785/index.html

Part 4 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17125009/index.html

Part 5 http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17125231/index.html



I will listen to these again...I was looking for it too...so thanks for providing these...

I just wonder what ZFG meant when she said she lost her license...did she mean lose it do to violations or lost it because she can't find it???

[happygert]

After the sun has been beating down on the trunk all day...trust me, it would take till the wee hours of the morning before it would cool down a little (but still too hot for someone to be in)...it's just not feasable...Caylee would have been dead long before....

Who knows when Caylee actually died? It could have been the week before.. Ok any ideas where casey was putting Caylee where no one could see her or find her? she wasn't at home and she wasn't with casey and there was NO SITTER and no NANNY.... where do you think Caylee was? any ideas from anyone?.....

[Neffy]

Not exactly. Casey and Caylee (presumably) did many all-nighters when Casey and Ricardo were officially dating. Per Ricardo, when they became a regular item, Casey and Caylee (presumably) stayed at his place several nights a week.

I stand corrected. But Caylee was in the apt with them.

[farrahrani]

Who knows when Caylee actually died? It could have been the week before.. Ok any ideas where casey was putting Caylee where no one could see her or find her? she wasn't at home and she wasn't with casey and there was NO SITTER and no NANNY.... where do you think Caylee was? any ideas from anyone?.....

Other people have said that empty property where the memorial is. I wouldn't put it past Casey to have broken in the same way she broke into the shed for the gas cans. Dragged the airmattress in, drugged her kid, then locked up as best as she could, and was free for the night.

There is a Zenaida on one side of that house, and a Gonzalez on the other. So Caylee was with Zenaida/Gonzalez

[Deannalynn]

See...I don't see Casey as being that self sacrificing for a dealer. I mean she tried to throw Jesse under the bus from day one, fgs. And THAT was someone who was willing to raise her child as his own, and support them both!

No, if they put that child in the trunk and she died, the first thing Casey would have done was call the cops, there would have been a set of prints on the car, and an investigation would have begun, IMO.

As far as her stealing to support her alleged drug habit, I disagree. She only stole periodically as needed, not on a regular basis to support a craving, as far as we know. She bought junk with it. Clothes, food, sunglasses, junk... and her tattoo. Her stealing habits suggest someone more along the lines of pretending to have a job and surprise her boyfriend with dinners and stuff, not someone who had a routine habit and needed cash constantly. Nobody knew her to do heavy drugs, even her friends that no longer were her friends said nothing to indicate a drug issue.

TonE told Yuri that Casey smoked marijuana once in awhile and she liked to drink a few beers. She did like to drink according to TonE, however.

[happygert]

I stand corrected. But Caylee was in the apt with them.

Yes except for the night when casey told RM that cindy called and wanted Caylee home.. when they went to bed Caylee was there when he woke up Caylee was gone.. cindy never called.. she wasn't at cindys where did casey put Caylee?

[Deannalynn]

I will listen to these again...I was looking for it too...so thanks for providing these...

I just wonder what ZFG meant when she said she lost her license...did she mean lose it do to violations or lost it because she can't find it???

I watched the channel 6 news they had where Louis interviewed her, today. She said she lost it as in dropped it or left it someplace.

[apothecary]

Who knows when Caylee actually died? It could have been the week before.. Ok any ideas where casey was putting Caylee where no one could see her or find her? she wasn't at home and she wasn't with casey and there was NO SITTER and no NANNY.... where do you think Caylee was? any ideas from anyone?.....
I still think that both Cindy and Casey drugged Caylee on many occasions and that is why Cindy is so afraid of the truth coming out and fighting so hard for Casey.JMO

[legalmania]

She stopped showing up for work after she had Caylee. Within a month or so. She was never doing good. What the heck? I don't even know if she ever worked full time. She never graduated and got a two bit job taking photo's at Disney World then got herself knocked up.

She was only twenty two- she was doing good but between the loss of the babies father and probably PPD she got depressed. Here is the story she worked for Universal at the Kodak shop.

http://www.wesh.com/news/16947154/detail.html

[summer]

Who knows when Caylee actually died? It could have been the week before.. Ok any ideas where casey was putting Caylee where no one could see her or find her? she wasn't at home and she wasn't with casey and there was NO SITTER and no NANNY.... where do you think Caylee was? any ideas from anyone?.....

I've always thought the empty house on the block but the only thing that holds me back on that is LE didn't seem particularly interested. I don't even know if crime scene tape was put up there - if it was it was removed very quickly, too quickly for it to have been considered seriously.

Thing that gets me is we saw DC poking around there for quite a while and if for that reason only I don't know why LE would allow it to be contaminated so quickly. Why not do forensic tests? I followed this fairly closely as my interest was piqued and I'm pretty sure they didn't - if they did it was cursory at best.

So that leaves me back to the trunk of the car, like you. I don't know -- bag of ice as someone here speculated a while back?

If she was leaving Caylee with anyone unsavory I think we would've heard about that by now through discovery...

And drug dealers? Gee, I think if there was any kind of nefarious baby killing drug dealer possibility Baez -- he'd be screaming it from the rafters. Wouldn't that be more convincing than nice, clean-cut Jesse Grund? Who looks like an angel and has no motive? Except that he absolutely adored Caylee and Casey??? Pretty lame suspect if you ask me...

[happygert]

Other people have said that empty property where the memorial is. I wouldn't put it past Casey to have broken in the same way she broke into the shed for the gas cans. Dragged the airmattress in, drugged her kid, then locked up as best as she could, and was free for the night.

There is a Zenaida on one side of that house, and a Gonzalez on the other. So Caylee was with Zenaida/Gonzalez

If she was at the site where memorial was then surely she'd been bit by bugs and maybe animals.

If in shed she'd be taken a chance that Caylee would wake up crying and wake up someone either george cindy or the neighbors.. unless of course her mouth was taped..

IIRC Amy said casey took her duct tape after the no clothes party..

[legalmania]

Why would she put it on after death? Caylee was murdered by casey putting duct tape on her mouth and nose..


Show me a link where it says that please.

[summer]

TonE told Yuri that Casey smoked marijuana once in awhile and she liked to drink a few beers. She did like to drink according to TonE, however.

She did look strung out to the max when she was first in jail - during those phone calls with her family. Said she hadn't slept for days or something. Doesn't mean she was an addict and I don't think drugs or drug dealers had anything to do with her life to any great degree - but I do think the few days before she was first arrested she was probably on something like speed, crack or meth... maybe for the first time.

[happygert]

I've always thought the empty house on the block but the only thing that holds me back on that is LE didn't seem particularly interested. I don't even know if crime scene tape was put up there - if it was it was removed very quickly, too quickly for it to have been considered seriously.

Thing that gets me is we saw DC poking around there for quite a while and if for that reason only I don't know why LE would allow it to be contaminated so quickly. Why not do forensic tests? I followed this fairly closely as my interest was piqued and I'm pretty sure they didn't - if they did it was cursory at best.

So that leaves me back to the trunk of the car, like you. I don't know -- bag of ice as someone here speculated a while back?

If she was leaving Caylee with anyone unsavory I think we would've heard about that by now through discovery...

And drug dealers? Gee, I think if there was any kind of nefarious baby killing drug dealer possibility Baez -- he'd be screaming it from the rafters. Wouldn't that be more convincing than nice, clean-cut Jesse Grund? Who looks like an angel and has no motive? Except that he absolutely adored Caylee and Casey??? Pretty lame suspect if you ask me...


Yes I agree.. gut feeling still says the trunk.. no one could see her..

[msgatorslayer]

Yes except for the night when casey told RM that cindy called and wanted Caylee home.. when they went to bed Caylee was there when he woke up Caylee was gone.. cindy never called.. she wasn't at cindys where did casey put Caylee?

Is that Cindy who is saying she didn't have Caylee that night? Trying to 'prove' that Zanny exists now days?

Why would Casey go drug her Daughter and bring her somewhere else when they were all sleeping? RM didn't have a problem with Caylee being there. Casey had no motive to get Caylee outta his house that night.

Now, I wouldn't put it past Casey to have been trying for hours to get her Mom to keep Caylee that night and she couldn't get ahold of her or Cindy was making herself unavailable. So she finally gave up trying and decided to bring Caylee with her to RM's house. Sometime after they had all laid down, Cindy decides to call and Casey jumped on the chance to get rid of Caylee by bringing her home to her Grama.

[Imperfect4]

Yes I meant to say she wasn't with her at the tattoo. Something happened to Casey because she was working and doing good , that something was drugs.

We don't know that she was ever "doing good," and the more we learn, the less likely that appears.

I really don't think this 11th hour drug dealer thing is productive to our discussion here. imo

[Deannalynn]

If she was at the site where memorial was then surely she'd been bit by bugs and maybe animals.

If in shed she'd be taken a chance that Caylee would wake up crying and wake up someone either george cindy or the neighbors.. unless of course her mouth was taped..

IIRC Amy said casey took her duct tape after the no clothes party..

I'm not understanding gert. What do you mean Amy said Casey took her duct tape after the No cloths party.:confused:

[summer]

Yes except for the night when casey told RM that cindy called and wanted Caylee home.. when they went to bed Caylee was there when he woke up Caylee was gone.. cindy never called.. she wasn't at cindys where did casey put Caylee?

Odd that Casey would do that, as Ricardo didn't seem to mind Caylee being with them. She did take Caylee someplace though and why she did that in the middle of the night is a mystery. Unless she did take her back to Cindy and Cindy is a liar pants. Maybe Cindy didn't feel like admitting she called Casey frequently to bring Caylee home late at night because that might look like Casey wasn't the MOTHER OF THE YEAR. It's all about appearances, after all. Could be as simple as that. IMO>

[happygert]

Show me a link where it says that please.

show you what LINK? . and could you please show me the link where duct tape was put on after Caylee was dead....thank you...




happygert
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If she used tape on her everytime her little mouth would have been bleeding and ripped. I think she was already dead when she put the duct tape on and the sticker on as I love you how could I let this happen to you.

Why would she put it on after death? Caylee was murdered by casey putting duct tape on her mouth and nose..
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[summer]

Is that Cindy who is saying she didn't have Caylee that night? Trying to 'prove' that Zanny exists now days?

Why would Casey go drug her Daughter and bring her somewhere else when they were all sleeping? RM didn't have a problem with Caylee being there. Casey had no motive to get Caylee outta his house that night.

Now, I wouldn't put it past Casey to have been trying for hours to get her Mom to keep Caylee that night and she couldn't get ahold of her or Cindy was making herself unavailable. So she finally gave up trying and decided to bring Caylee with her to RM's house. Sometime after they had all laid down, Cindy decides to call and Casey jumped on the chance to get rid of Caylee by bringing her home to her Grama.

Oopsie, I SWEAR I didn't read your comment before I posted. We're on the same wavelength.

[Imperfect4]

Other people have said that empty property where the memorial is. I wouldn't put it past Casey to have broken in the same way she broke into the shed for the gas cans. Dragged the airmattress in, drugged her kid, then locked up as best as she could, and was free for the night.

There is a Zenaida on one side of that house, and a Gonzalez on the other. So Caylee was with Zenaida/Gonzalez

I've seriously considered this possibility as well, farrahrani.

[Deannalynn]

We don't know that she was ever "doing good," and the more we learn, the less likely that appears.

I really don't think this 11th hour drug dealer thing is productive to our discussion here. imo

I agree. Based on what her friends said about her she was not into drugs. They only seen her smoke marijuana on occasions.

[Neffy]

show you what LINK? . and could you please show me the link where duct tape was put on after Caylee was dead....thank you...




happygert
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If she used tape on her everytime her little mouth would have been bleeding and ripped. I think she was already dead when she put the duct tape on and the sticker on as I love you how could I let this happen to you.

Why would she put it on after death? Caylee was murdered by casey putting duct tape on her mouth and nose..
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I'd like a link when Casey was doing good and where "drug dealers" were involved. :blink:

[Imperfect4]

Show me a link where it says that please.

No one on our little thread here has demanded a link in ages. What's the problem this evening?

[msgatorslayer]

Oopsie, I SWEAR I didn't read your comment before I posted. We're on the same wavelength.

Haha, thats funny.

There is so much BS to wade through with this family. All I know that is factual between all of them are their names. That's about it!!

[legalmania]

See...I don't see Casey as being that self sacrificing for a dealer. I mean she tried to throw Jesse under the bus from day one, fgs. And THAT was someone who was willing to raise her child as his own, and support them both!

No, if they put that child in the trunk and she died, the first thing Casey would have done was call the cops, there would have been a set of prints on the car, and an investigation would have begun, IMO.

As far as her stealing to support her alleged drug habit, I disagree. She only stole periodically as needed, not on a regular basis to support a craving, as far as we know. She bought junk with it. Clothes, food, sunglasses, junk... and her tattoo. Her stealing habits suggest someone more along the lines of pretending to have a job and surprise her boyfriend with dinners and stuff, not someone who had a routine habit and needed cash constantly. Nobody knew her to do heavy drugs, even her friends that no longer were her friends said nothing to indicate a drug issue.

It was that last 31 days where her behavior got so obviously outrageous. You probably haven't spent much time with drug dealers but I have worked with them, they have threatened me and my families life and they will kill the whole family. I've seen it and I'm sure you've heard of it. She had a dead baby on her hands and she was scared for her and her families life. Don't say nobody knew her doing heavy drugs because this new group that she met are off the grid. She looked pretty high in some of those pictures.

[summer]

Post partum depression? Upset over the death of Caylee's daddy? Please. I feel the father is living - LE may even know who he is. She may have used the death of someone in her past to weave a story, and IMO that's as far as it goes.

JMO even if it's true he's deceased (which I don't believe) -- if he dropped dead right at Casey's feet she would've stepped over his body and gone about her business without missing a beat.

[Neffy]

Yes except for the night when casey told RM that cindy called and wanted Caylee home.. when they went to bed Caylee was there when he woke up Caylee was gone.. cindy never called.. she wasn't at cindys where did casey put Caylee?

But that came from Cindy. Cindy also denied dogging Casey. I don't believe Cindy didn't call/stalk Casey and her whereabouts until the "fight" then she backed off. To late then.......... When Casey never returned graveling that she needed help with Caylee Cindy panicked. Her plan to "let" Casey see how the real world works backfired. Casey didn't need help anymore, problem solved.

[summer]

Haha, thats funny.

There is so much BS to wade through with this family. All I know that is factual between all of them are their names. That's about it!!

That was freaky - we used nearly the same identical words. Whoa. :ohmy:

[martha]

I really think casey was taking speed.or what ever you call it. It causes you to stay up for days on end. you don;t have to get much sleep and they said casey did not sleep much. she texed all the time day and night. You don't eat anything much when you take that sufff. I will always believe she was on it because you can not tell it by looking at someone. They just stayed wired up all the time. other than that you can;t tell they take it. It does not show any other way. It makes you have a bad temper too.jmho

[Neffy]

It was that last 31 days where her behavior got so obviously outrageous. You probably haven't spent much time with drug dealers but I have worked with them, they have threatened me and my families life and they will kill the whole family. I've seen it and I'm sure you've heard of it. She had a dead baby on her hands and she was scared for her and her families life. Don't say nobody knew her doing heavy drugs because this new group that she met are off the grid. She looked pretty high in some of those pictures.


There are no drug dealers in ANY SCENERIO except yours. Being so wrapped up in "law" it's amazing the conjectures you insert.

[desmom]

Where was Caylee the night casey and Caylee stayed at RM's RM said Caylee was there when they went to bed, He got up and Caylee was gone.. casey told him cindy called and wanted Caylee home and she took her home.. That never happened.. Where did casey take Caylee?

Where was Caylee the week before the 15 of June? IIRC she wasnt with casey she was partying and she wasn't at cindys...Where was she?

Cindy said she never called and told Casey to bring Caylee home. Remember, Cindy is not the interfering type. :tonguewag:

June 7 - Casey and Caylee show up at Ricardo's at approx. 11:00 p.m. and spend the night - page 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/09%20Ricardo%20Morales%20July%2025,%202008.pdf IIRC, this was the night Cindy spent with her mom in Mt. Dora because her dad was bad.

June 8 - Casey and Caylee leave Ricardo's mid-morning per Ricardo page 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/09%20Ricardo%20Morales%20July%2025,%202008.pdf

Casey sent a text to Amy at 10:03 p.m. "I'm heading to bed but message me when you get back to the boys house". The exchanged texts till 11:30 p.m. page 47 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

June 9 - Casey and Caylee pick up Tone and take him to get his car at the mechanics. They ate lunch at Subway. page 12 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
Casey and Caylee spent the night with Ricardo per Amy page 12 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf
pages 11-12 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/09%20Ricardo%20Morales%20July%2025,%202008.pdf

June 10, 11 or 12 - Caylee opened the door for Maria Kissh at Tone's apartment pages 2 - 3 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Kissh%20%20Maria-0717.pdf

June 11 or 12 - Tone, Casey and Caylee go to Mall of Milliennia. They ate at the Cheesecake Factory. Casey and Caylee dropped Tone off at his place and they left. pages 19 - 20 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

June 13 - George had his almost mini stroke per Casey's text messages to Amy http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Casey spends the night with Tone page 22 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

IIRC, Cindy told LE and the FBI Caylee was home every night that week.

jmo