Caylee 9/11/09

[desmom]

Prosecutors ask Casey Anthony’s defense to back up claim she didn’t place Caylee in woods
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d10-Prosecutors-ask-Casey-Anthonys-defense-to-back-up-claim-she-didnt-place-Caylee-in-woods

“…all forensic evidence to date establishes that the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony had been deposited at that location many months prior to Dec. 11, 2008,” according to the prosecution. They argue that Casey’s defense has a reciprocal discovery obligation and so far, have only complied by providing defense witness lists.

The motion also said, “The only conclusion this Court can draw from the fact that no additional reciprocal discovery exhibit has been filed is (1) the exculpatory evidence does not exist, or (2) the defendant is intentionally violating the rules of discovery.”

The Motion: http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0910/20838679.pdf

Todd Macaluso in court on August 21.
3:30 on the clock
http://www.wftv.com/video/20582650/index.html

[Jeepers]

I can't imagine what they will come up with other than Casey's lies and stupid scenarios. No real proof, there can't be. All of the experts have said the remains were there for a long time and even had weeds growing through the bones. No jury is going to go along with her stories, and she won't take the stand, so that just about rules their little stories out. MOO

What can they say? They have nothing. Casey has told so many lies about what happened to Caylee. The A's have blamed everyone that Casey knows.
What can defense say to the State's questions. How can they answer that
1.Caylee was taken to Sawgrass apts.
2. Caylee was dropped off by the steps of Sawgrass apts.
3. Jesse had a key to my car
4. Zanny and her sister got Caylee from JBP
5. TonE drove my car
6. Other people had access to my car
How can the defense tie all these tales together to get one coherent story of WHAT happened to Caylee.

Carried over from earlier this a.m.

[margaritaville]

What can they say? They have nothing. Casey has told so many lies about what happened to Caylee. The A's have blamed everyone that Casey knows.
What can defense say to the State's questions. How can they answer that
1.Caylee was taken to Sawgrass apts.
2. Caylee was dropped off by the steps of Sawgrass apts.
3. Jesse had a key to my car
4. Zanny and her sister got Caylee from JBP
5. TonE drove my car
6. Other people had access to my car
How can the defense tie all these tales together to get one coherent story of WHAT happened to Caylee.

Carried over from earlier this a.m.

I love the statement that "other people had access to my car, Jesse had a key"...
Well maybe so but when was your car out of your sight other then the few days it spent sitting at Amscot? really, you want us to believe that someone else knew it was there, put your daughter in the trunk then went back and removed her prior to the car being towed??? Come on!!

Or

Are we suppose to believe that while she was in possession of her car Jesse (or someone else) placed Caylee in the trunk and Casey never went in there?? Even after telling Amy and who knows who else about the rancid smell of her car that she later blamed on squirrels?? She never went into the trunk?? Right!!

I do not see how the defense will ever prove that Casey did not do this.
And there is no reasonable doubt that Caylee was decomposing in that trunk... Even if they were to get the "junk science" for the air samples how will they ever explain the grave wax found in the trunk??
And I am not a Dr... but I do know that empty pizza boxes and some kitchen garbage will not produce "grave wax"......

Casey is going to FRY!!!
Keep spreading your BS Jose......because now you will have to show the world that that is all you have BS...
I am so glad the prosecution has requested them to hand over their discovery.... I think when that happens, it will be quite comical....

moo

[Jeepers]

I love the statement that "other people had access to my car, Jesse had a key"...
Well maybe so but when was your car out of your sight other then the few days it spent sitting at Amscot? really, you want us to believe that someone else knew it was there, put your daughter in the trunk then went back and removed her prior to the car being towed??? Come on!!

Or

Are we suppose to believe that while she was in possession of her car Jesse (or someone else) placed Caylee in the trunk and Casey never went in there?? Even after telling Amy and who knows who else about the rancid smell of her car that she later blamed on squirrels?? She never went into the trunk?? Right!!

I do not see how the defense will ever prove that Casey did not do this.
And there is no reasonable doubt that Caylee was decomposing in that trunk... Even if they were to get the "junk science" for the air samples how will they ever explain the grave wax found in the trunk??
And I am not a Dr... but I do know that empty pizza boxes and some kitchen garbage will not produce "grave wax"......

Casey is going to FRY!!!
Keep spreading your BS Jose......because now you will have to show the world that that is all you have BS...
I am so glad the prosecution has requested them to hand over their discovery.... I think when that happens, it will be quite comical....

moo

I was tickled silly when I saw that the State was wanting what the defense so proudly was spouting. Time to lay your cards on the table.
I don't think Cindy will be inviting the gang over for chili tonight.

[margaritaville]

I was tickled silly when I saw that the State was wanting what the defense so proudly was spouting. Time to lay your cards on the table.
I don't think Cindy will be inviting the gang over for chili tonight.


LOL- nope I think you are correct on that one...

Any idea how long the defense has to produce it??

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! I am wondering just how long it will take for the court to be able to set pre-trial/trial dates for the criminal check/fraud case. It has just been one week since Judge Strickland handed down the ruling, but I'm already getting impatient.

The defense has been spouting off that they had several motions that they would be filing after Labor Day. I wonder if they plan on dumping a huge amount of them all at once, in an effort to overwhelm the resources of the State?

[desmom]

What can they say? They have nothing. Casey has told so many lies about what happened to Caylee. The A's have blamed everyone that Casey knows.
What can defense say to the State's questions. How can they answer that
1.Caylee was taken to Sawgrass apts.
2. Caylee was dropped off by the steps of Sawgrass apts.
3. Jesse had a key to my car
4. Zanny and her sister got Caylee from JBP
5. TonE drove my car
6. Other people had access to my car
How can the defense tie all these tales together to get one coherent story of WHAT happened to Caylee.

Carried over from earlier this a.m.

Good Morning Jeepers, Margaritaville, Sun and all that follow!

1. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
On 7/16 at 0411 hours, Casey told LE the apartment number at Sawgrass is 210, page 72. Apartment 210 was under construction and had been vacant since February 25, 2008 when the previous tenants were evicted, page 59.

2. Casey did not mention she dropped Caylee off at the steps until after LE told her they had video surveillance tape from a nearby complex and apartment #210 was vacant. page 118 at above link

3. Jesse had a key to her car. How does that explain the videos of Casey and Tone at Blockbuster the evening of June 16 without Caylee, the shopping trips on Amy's checking account, the tat, manicure, Casey's stories to her friends Caylee was with the nanny?

Tone took her to the A's on 6/23 to get the gas cans out of the shed. After she put the gas in her car, she put the cans in the trunk of her car. page 55 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

4. LE poked holes in her original story, so now we move to JBP. From what I have read about JBP, it appears to be a pretty popular place. Why didn't she fight back or scream for help?

5. Tone drove her car...when? Did LE find Tone's fingerprints anywhere on the driver's side of the car?

6. Other people had access to Casey's car...who? when? Why didn't she blame them for the smell in her car? Did LE find any fingerprints or evidence besides Casey's and George's on the driver's side of the car?

jmo

[nana6]

I was tickled silly when I saw that the State was wanting what the defense so proudly was spouting. Time to lay your cards on the table.
I don't think Cindy will be inviting the gang over for chili tonight.

nope. no chili and not even a bottle of water!

[bchand]

Good Morning Peeps...

Just remembering today is September 11th...

Was at the world trade center one week before the tragedy of terror attacks on our country...I will never forget where I was and what I was doing on this day when the planes hit our buildings and killed so many Americans...:crying:

I can remember it as if it were yesterday also. There have been some very interesting shows on tv this week about it.


Relating to this case, the accused murderer was a mere 13 yrs old when 9/11 happened.

[bchand]

Sorry to be OT...just wanted to remind everyone what today is...

Don't want you to think I was being critical of you mentioning it. I appreciate it and have been thinking about it all morning myself.

[101Spots]

Good Morning Peeps...

Just remembering today is September 11th...

Was at the world trade center one week before the tragedy of terror attacks on our country...I will never forget where I was and what I was doing on this day when the planes hit our buildings and killed so many Americans...:crying:

Today is also my anniversary. I, too, remember 9/11/01 and the awful events of that day. I have read that some people whose birthdays, etc., fall on this day have purposely changed their birth dates, or have chosen to celebrate on another day. But I will not allow some $%^&*&^%^&* fanatical moronic off-the-charts idiots to ruin *our* day. We had this day first and we will NOT be chased away.

Make no mistake - I am somber at the memory. We live in PA about 30 miles from Shanksville, and DH saw the plane just before it went down. A dear friend lost her nephew on that plane. I watched CNN for 14 hours straight and cried my eyes out.

But we are going to celebrate today. Not lavishly, not with any hoopla, just the two of us. But it *will* be a celebration.

They can't stop us.

[sammy62]

Today is also my anniversary. I, too, remember 9/11/01 and the awful events of that day. I have read that some people whose birthdays, etc., fall on this day have purposely changed their birth dates, or have chosen to celebrate on another day. But I will not allow some $%^&*&^%^&* fanatical moronic off-the-charts idiots to ruin *our* day. We had this day first and we will NOT be chased away.

Make no mistake - I am somber at the memory. We live in PA about 30 miles from Shanksville, and DH saw the plane just before it went down. A dear friend lost her nephew on that plane. I watched CNN for 14 hours straight and cried my eyes out.

But we are going to celebrate today. Not lavishly, not with any hoopla, just the two of us. But it *will* be a celebration.

They can't stop us.

Happy A spots. Good for you. I believe all Anniversaries should be "just the two of us".

wow Casey was 13 at 911. What a total waste of a life...actually 2 lives.

[really3997]

I have a question for Kat/Lapis. I was watching the protestor videos and the Media had intereview DC. He stated that he had done background checks on the protestors. I was wondering

1 can he do that without notify them. I have to sign a paper to allow them to perform a background check on me.
2. if he can does that mean he could have run them on the witnesses without their knowledge.

Thanks in advance.

[bchand]

Today is also my anniversary. I, too, remember 9/11/01 and the awful events of that day. I have read that some people whose birthdays, etc., fall on this day have purposely changed their birth dates, or have chosen to celebrate on another day. But I will not allow some $%^&*&^%^&* fanatical moronic off-the-charts idiots to ruin *our* day. We had this day first and we will NOT be chased away.

Make no mistake - I am somber at the memory. We live in PA about 30 miles from Shanksville, and DH saw the plane just before it went down. A dear friend lost her nephew on that plane. I watched CNN for 14 hours straight and cried my eyes out.

But we are going to celebrate today. Not lavishly, not with any hoopla, just the two of us. But it *will* be a celebration.

They can't stop us.

Happy Anniversary Spots. Good for you !

I remember having that attitude also when hubby & I were flying soon after 9/11. We were delayed once due to a threat at 3 mile island and had to stay overnight in Pittsburgh. When we got back on the plane, we were delayed because no one would claim a bag in the overhead compartment. A few people actually got off the plane because they were afraid it was a bomb.

We stayed just because we refused to let fear change our plans.

Enjoy "your" day!

[Scampi]

Prosecutors ask Casey Anthony’s defense to back up claim she didn’t place Caylee in woods
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d10-Prosecutors-ask-Casey-Anthonys-defense-to-back-up-claim-she-didnt-place-Caylee-in-woods

“…all forensic evidence to date establishes that the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony had been deposited at that location many months prior to Dec. 11, 2008,” according to the prosecution. They argue that Casey’s defense has a reciprocal discovery obligation and so far, have only complied by providing defense witness lists.

The motion also said, “The only conclusion this Court can draw from the fact that no additional reciprocal discovery exhibit has been filed is (1) the exculpatory evidence does not exist, or (2) the defendant is intentionally violating the rules of discovery.”

The Motion: http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0910/20838679.pdf

Todd Macaluso in court on August 21.
3:30 on the clock
http://www.wftv.com/video/20582650/index.html


Oh I just love Todd, on that video he states catagorically that the defense has discovered substantial evidence that someone else placed the body of Caylee Anthony at the discovery site and that casey anthony is innocent.

He also claims this substantial evidence is contained in the brief about Tim Miller being declared a material witness.

Another case of the defense hanging themselves on their own petard.

So now they will be ordered to cough up this "substantial evidence" to
the Prosecution and hopefully to us thru the sunshine law.

I love it. :biggrin:

[trich]

Is it just me or..... would you not suppose if by chance someone else killed Caylee and had a key to the car and wanted to make it seem like
Casey did it they would have just left the body in the trunk.
What better evidence then to leave the body in the trunk of
the car that Casey always drove.
Why go through possibility of getting caught removing the body and then supposedly keeping it somewhere else and then throwing the body in the woods after she was in jail?:thumbdown:

[spydernweb2006]

Today is also my anniversary. I, too, remember 9/11/01 and the awful events of that day. I have read that some people whose birthdays, etc., fall on this day have purposely changed their birth dates, or have chosen to celebrate on another day. But I will not allow some $%^&*&^%^&* fanatical moronic off-the-charts idiots to ruin *our* day. We had this day first and we will NOT be chased away.

Make no mistake - I am somber at the memory. We live in PA about 30 miles from Shanksville, and DH saw the plane just before it went down. A dear friend lost her nephew on that plane. I watched CNN for 14 hours straight and cried my eyes out.

But we are going to celebrate today. Not lavishly, not with any hoopla, just the two of us. But it *will* be a celebration.

They can't stop us.


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

NOONE should have the right to take something that belongs to you, such as a birthday or anniversary. Manson tried it with Helter Skelter and thankfully U2 brought it back.

I was HAPPY to see the Pro's call the bluff on the defense! I agree its past time to lay all the cards down and play fair. I honestly believe Casey was the killer of Caylee. I want for Caylee's sake for Casey to have an HONEST, Impartial and fair trial. While its alot less then poor adorable Caylee had when her life was taken from her, I want her killer to be tried fairly, so there will never ever be any doubt. Honest justice for Caylee involves the defense playing fair and by the rules....


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Scampi]

I love the statement that "other people had access to my car, Jesse had a key"...
Well maybe so but when was your car out of your sight other then the few days it spent sitting at Amscot? really, you want us to believe that someone else knew it was there, put your daughter in the trunk then went back and removed her prior to the car being towed??? Come on!!

Or

Are we suppose to believe that while she was in possession of her car Jesse (or someone else) placed Caylee in the trunk and Casey never went in there?? Even after telling Amy and who knows who else about the rancid smell of her car that she later blamed on squirrels?? She never went into the trunk?? Right!!

I do not see how the defense will ever prove that Casey did not do this.
And there is no reasonable doubt that Caylee was decomposing in that trunk... Even if they were to get the "junk science" for the air samples how will they ever explain the grave wax found in the trunk??
And I am not a Dr... but I do know that empty pizza boxes and some kitchen garbage will not produce "grave wax"......

Casey is going to FRY!!!
Keep spreading your BS Jose......because now you will have to show the world that that is all you have BS...
I am so glad the prosecution has requested them to hand over their discovery.... I think when that happens, it will be quite comical....

moo

I agree, the notion of someone else having her car and killing Caylee is absurd on its face. Especially since we have george on record as seeing her open that trunk and flinging the gas cans at him. Placing her at the trunk and acting suspiciously.

[really3997]

Oh I just love Todd, on that video he states catagorically that the defense has discovered substantial evidence that someone else placed the body of Caylee Anthony at the discovery site and that casey anthony is innocent.

He also claims this substantial evidence is contained in the brief about Tim Miller being declared a material witness.
Another case of the defense hanging themselves on their own petard.

So now they will be ordered to cough up this "substantial evidence" to
the Prosecution and hopefully to us thru the sunshine law.

I love it. :biggrin:

I still think they are going off of what IIRC Hoover was telling them about going to TM at the search center with photos or papers.. does anyone else remember this.

Even the video of Joy that I posted last night mentions the water issue. JMO

[Sun]

Good Morning Jeepers, Margaritaville, Sun and all that follow!

1. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
On 7/16 at 0411 hours, Casey told LE the apartment number at Sawgrass is 210, page 72. Apartment 210 was under construction and had been vacant since February 25, 2008 when the previous tenants were evicted, page 59.

2. Casey did not mention she dropped Caylee off at the steps until after LE told her they had video surveillance tape from a nearby complex and apartment #210 was vacant. page 118 at above link

3. Jesse had a key to her car. How does that explain the videos of Casey and Tone at Blockbuster the evening of June 16 without Caylee, the shopping trips on Amy's checking account, the tat, manicure, Casey's stories to her friends Caylee was with the nanny?

Tone took her to the A's on 6/23 to get the gas cans out of the shed. After she put the gas in her car, she put the cans in the trunk of her car. page 55 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

4. LE poked holes in her original story, so now we move to JBP. From what I have read about JBP, it appears to be a pretty popular place. Why didn't she fight back or scream for help?

5. Tone drove her car...when? Did LE find Tone's fingerprints anywhere on the driver's side of the car?

6. Other people had access to Casey's car...who? when? Why didn't she blame them for the smell in her car? Did LE find any fingerprints or evidence besides Casey's and George's on the driver's side of the car?

jmo

5. Tone drove her car...when? I'm thinking June 19th for some reason. Did LE find Tone's fingerprints anywhere on the driver's side of the car? No clue as to what fingerprints were found, if any. (I suspect that the Anthonys "cleaned" that car)

[Scampi]

I still think they are going off of what IIRC Hoover was telling them about going to TM at the search center with photos or papers.. does anyone else remember this.

Even the video of Joy that I posted last night mentions the water issue. JMO

Really, I'm not sure what you mean, could you explain a bit more?

[margaritaville]

I agree, the notion of someone else having her car and killing Caylee is absurd on its face. Especially since we have george on record as seeing her open that trunk and flinging the gas cans at him. Placing her at the trunk and acting suspiciously.


So true!!

I respected GA back in the day when he seemed to be telling the truth to LE.. When he brought that situation (gas cans) up to them he was very concerned. You could hear it in his voice. He knew something was not right about that. Everything he has said since then has been nothing but lies....It makes me ill how he can tell them one thing and then brush it off as if it meant nothing to him when questioned about it..:cursing:

I was thinking this morning about the tapes of Tracy McLaughlin and when she was talking about the shovel.... What are your opinions about the comment that Casey used the shovel to remove the ladder from the pool? why would someone need a shovel for that?? I don't get that statement at all....


moo

[really3997]

Really, I'm not sure what you mean, could you explain a bit more?

I thought again I could have been sipping the rum that day. In one of Hoovers interview he mentioned that him and DC went to the command center of Tims to have them search the area by the school I am almost positive he had papers or pictures that he brought with him. Does this ring a bell. I am at work now so I can search. This is why I thought Tim was a witness for the defense. am I going crazy. ok dont answer that but get me drift

[really3997]

So true!!

I respected GA back in the day when he seemed to be telling the truth to LE.. When he brought that situation (gas cans) up to them he was very concerned. You could hear it in his voice. He knew something was not right about that. Everything he has said since then has been nothing but lies....It makes me ill how he can tell them one thing and then brush it off as if it meant nothing to him when questioned about it..:cursing:

I was thinking this morning about the tapes of Tracy McLaughlin and when she was talking about the shovel.... What are your opinions about the comment that Casey used the shovel to remove the ladder from the pool? why would someone need a shovel for that?? I don't get that statement at all....


moo

If someone uses an approx 3 foot shovel to remove a V shaped approx 5.5/maybe 6 foot ladder. My opinion would be that BB would have noticed a wet shovel and LE would not have any dirt to test. JMO

[margaritaville]

I think this substantial evidence by the defense that KC was in jail at the time Caylee's body was dumped...will be answered by they have proof someone else did it...they are closing in on that person...don't know who it is as yet...they just know it wasn't KC...and this person or people are being watched...:biggrin::biggrin:

I still wonder about GA comment about the kidnappers are being watched, that they know who they are and that Caylee had been moved 8 (or was it 9) times... Makes you wonder if that was how many times Casey had moved her...

I can take a guess at that..

1. place of murder
2. backyard
3. trunk
4. woods

Maybe there were more places in between??

MOO

[Lapis]

I have a question for Kat/Lapis. I was watching the protestor videos and the Media had intereview DC. He stated that he had done background checks on the protestors. I was wondering

1 can he do that without notify them. I have to sign a paper to allow them to perform a background check on me.
2. if he can does that mean he could have run them on the witnesses without their knowledge.

Thanks in advance.

Anyone can run a search of public records on anyone else. You do not need consent to do so. This is certainly more easily done these days with the advent of the internet. Certain financial infomation is not in the public perview and would not be available without permission. I suspect the release of this financial information is what you were consenting to release. So, yes backround checks have probably been performed on witnesses, in fact, I would expect the defense and prosecution to do so. There is nothing nefarious about this. I have done them on behalf of my clients. Its just good lawyering. JMO

[really3997]

Anyone can run a search of public records on anyone else. You do not need consent to do so. This is certainly more easily done these days with the advent of the internet. Certain financial infomation is not in the public perview and would not be available without permission. I suspect the release of this financial information is what you were consenting to release. So, yes backround checks have probably been performed on witnesses, in fact, I would expect the defense and prosecution to do so. There is nothing nefarious about this. I have done them on behalf of my clients. Its just good lawyering. JMO

Thank you. I would assume defense and SA. My concern is that DC did this for C & G. So only a public records search is that criminal also. The thought of them having anyones personal information just makes my skin crawl. Again thanks for the info

[Dells]

Good Morning Jeepers, Margaritaville, Sun and all that follow!

1. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
On 7/16 at 0411 hours, Casey told LE the apartment number at Sawgrass is 210, page 72. Apartment 210 was under construction and had been vacant since February 25, 2008 when the previous tenants were evicted, page 59.

2. Casey did not mention she dropped Caylee off at the steps until after LE told her they had video surveillance tape from a nearby complex and apartment #210 was vacant. page 118 at above link

3. Jesse had a key to her car. How does that explain the videos of Casey and Tone at Blockbuster the evening of June 16 without Caylee, the shopping trips on Amy's checking account, the tat, manicure, Casey's stories to her friends Caylee was with the nanny?

Tone took her to the A's on 6/23 to get the gas cans out of the shed. After she put the gas in her car, she put the cans in the trunk of her car. page 55 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

4. LE poked holes in her original story, so now we move to JBP. From what I have read about JBP, it appears to be a pretty popular place. Why didn't she fight back or scream for help?

5. Tone drove her car...when? Did LE find Tone's fingerprints anywhere on the driver's side of the car?

6. Other people had access to Casey's car...who? when? Why didn't she blame them for the smell in her car? Did LE find any fingerprints or evidence besides Casey's and George's on the driver's side of the car?

jmo

Great post, desmom, as always!:thumbup:

You have shown just how and why the prosecution will be able to knock down any possible strategy that the defense will come up with. Not that the prosecution even needs to knock anything down. They are so ridiculous and far fetched that the theories will self destruct all on their own, without any help from the prosecution at all. When Casey is confronted w/information as to how and why her stories (lies) can't be true, what does she do? She comes up w/equally unbelievable explanations. Like a jury is going to believe her and her defense team. She keeps trying to give a new lie, hoping that one will stick. I guess she thinks as long as she has some explanation, even if it is not plausible at all, then she is covered as far as reasonable doubt is concerned. Not true. The jury won't believe her or her defense team, and they will swiftly convict her. She's going down. This is one mess she is not going to be able to talk (lie) her way out of.

[frances1]

Since the SA office requested this reciprocal discovery, what happens now??? Does the judge have to issue an order for such?? Does this mean another hearing???

I have a feeling nothing will come of this. I'm not an attorney, though, so not sure. IIRC, Macaluso made his statement in a media interview, not under oath, right? I think at the most, he might be scolded by the judge for his use of hyperbole.

[summer4meplz]

I have a question for Kat/Lapis. I was watching the protestor videos and the Media had intereview DC. He stated that he had done background checks on the protestors. I was wondering

1 can he do that without notify them. I have to sign a paper to allow them to perform a background check on me.
2. if he can does that mean he could have run them on the witnesses without their knowledge.

Thanks in advance.

good morning everyone....(saddest of days)

can i add a number 3, Really...
3. how in the world did he know who the people were?

[really3997]

Something else I have always wondered about is LE telling KC they had surveillance video from Sawgrass Apts. and she was not on it.

Does Sawgrass have surveillance???

Do they really have this or were they just trying to get KC to confess she wasn't there???

Quite awhile ago I even tried to find Sawgrass Apts. to call and pretend I was interested in renting an Apt. and ask if they had surveillance...I found a site that listed them, but when I called they said they had no Apt. complex by that name.

Has anyone else checked this out???

I guess I can go on recon after work. It is not in a very good area so it might.

[marshmallow]

So true!!

I respected GA back in the day when he seemed to be telling the truth to LE.. When he brought that situation (gas cans) up to them he was very concerned. You could hear it in his voice. He knew something was not right about that. Everything he has said since then has been nothing but lies....It makes me ill how he can tell them one thing and then brush it off as if it meant nothing to him when questioned about it..:cursing:

I was thinking this morning about the tapes of Tracy McLaughlin and when she was talking about the shovel.... What are your opinions about the comment that Casey used the shovel to remove the ladder from the pool? why would someone need a shovel for that?? I don't get that statement at all....


moo


and why a "shovel". Wouldn't it be more normal to say "dang ladders floating in the pool, have you got something I can use to hook it and pull it out?"

why a shovel??

[really3997]

good morning everyone....(saddest of days)

can i add a number 3, Really...
3. how in the world did he know who the people were?

He said he ran plates off of the cars

[frances1]

Oh no...he made that statement in court during the last hearing!!!

Oh, thanks Rapunzel. That's different, then.

[Dells]

Something else I have always wondered about is LE telling KC they had surveillance video from Sawgrass Apts. and she was not on it.

Does Sawgrass have surveillance???

Do they really have this or were they just trying to get KC to confess she wasn't there???

Quite awhile ago I even tried to find Sawgrass Apts. to call and pretend I was interested in renting an Apt. and ask if they had surveillance...I found a site that listed them, but when I called they said they had no Apt. complex by that name.

Has anyone else checked this out???

I don't remember LE telling Casey the apartment complex was under surveillance, but I do remember them telling her that the apartment that she claimed to have dropped Caylee off at had been vacant for quite some period of time. That is when Casey changed her story about dropping Caylee off at the actual apartment and then just said that she dropped her off at the stairs instead. Yeah, like that's believable.:sneaky:

[really3997]

Stole their wallets???...:biggrin:

well I guess thats how they ordered the pizza's:thumbsup:

[really3997]

Yes, some did drive there...but many just walked there...

A lot drove they were just packed in the cars. I am sure a lot walked also. But I remember the street having tons of cars..

[Dells]

Oh no...he made that statement in court during the last hearing!!!

Yes he did.:sneaky:

I wonder how the defense is going to respond to the state's motion? I wonder if they try to claim "work product" or some other type of privilege? They could always say that they are still "investigating" this information as a means to try to get out of producing any evidence to the prosecution. Not like I believe they really have anything they can share except for pipe dreams.:rolleyes: Do they have any legal recourse for not having to produce this information? They are the ones that opened the door to it by bringing it up in court. What happens if they are ordered to produce it and can't?

[bchand]

Oh, thanks Rapunzel. That's different, then.

Des posted it earlier - 3:30 on the clock is where he starts.

http://www.wftv.com/video/20582650/index.html

[Jeepers]

and why a "shovel". Wouldn't it be more normal to say "dang ladders floating in the pool, have you got something I can use to hook it and pull it out?"

why a shovel??

I had to leave this a.m. but I am back. The shovel for the pool...that just ain't right.
If a ladder or whatever was floating in a pool and the only thing I could think of to retrieve it would not be a shovel. A shovel would never enter my mind.

Rake, Hoe, something that would be able to grab a ladder rung.

[sully]

I just watched Joy's video again and I'm almost 100% sure those are her daughters in that video at the memorial where Caylee was found! That woman is unreal-she's dragging her whole family into this!! Can't wait for LDB to get her on the stand!:cursing:

[really3997]

I just watched Joy's video again and I'm almost 100% sure those are her daughters in that video at the memorial where Caylee was found! That woman is unreal-she's dragging her whole family into this!! Can't wait for LDB to get her on the stand!:cursing:

I am still stunned there is a Mr. Joy myself..:chicken::chicken:

[Barbara fl.]

Oh I just love Todd, on that video he states catagorically that the defense has discovered substantial evidence that someone else placed the body of Caylee Anthony at the discovery site and that casey anthony is innocent.

He also claims this substantial evidence is contained in the brief about Tim Miller being declared a material witness.

Another case of the defense hanging themselves on their own petard.

So now they will be ordered to cough up this "substantial evidence" to
the Prosecution and hopefully to us thru the sunshine law.

I love it. :biggrin:



That's what I love about the "Sunshine Laws" also.....I believe Mr. Macaluso is not familiar with these laws...he now will have to turn over this evidence that he claims to have to the prosecution (and yes it will be made public under these laws).....Baez should have informed all these out of state lawyers how it is worked in Florida....you have to back up your accusations.....

I love it.....:tonguewag:

[Jeepers]

Good Morning Jeepers, Margaritaville, Sun and all that follow!

1. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
On 7/16 at 0411 hours, Casey told LE the apartment number at Sawgrass is 210, page 72. Apartment 210 was under construction and had been vacant since February 25, 2008 when the previous tenants were evicted, page 59.

2. Casey did not mention she dropped Caylee off at the steps until after LE told her they had video surveillance tape from a nearby complex and apartment #210 was vacant. page 118 at above link

3. Jesse had a key to her car. How does that explain the videos of Casey and Tone at Blockbuster the evening of June 16 without Caylee, the shopping trips on Amy's checking account, the tat, manicure, Casey's stories to her friends Caylee was with the nanny?

Tone took her to the A's on 6/23 to get the gas cans out of the shed. After she put the gas in her car, she put the cans in the trunk of her car. page 55 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

4. LE poked holes in her original story, so now we move to JBP. From what I have read about JBP, it appears to be a pretty popular place. Why didn't she fight back or scream for help?

5. Tone drove her car...when? Did LE find Tone's fingerprints anywhere on the driver's side of the car?

6. Other people had access to Casey's car...who? when? Why didn't she blame them for the smell in her car? Did LE find any fingerprints or evidence besides Casey's and George's on the driver's side of the car?

jmo

Bolding yours
The squirrels caught that rap. Shoot wildlife is not even safe around those folks.

[margaritaville]

and why a "shovel". Wouldn't it be more normal to say "dang ladders floating in the pool, have you got something I can use to hook it and pull it out?"

why a shovel??


Would a ladder float?

[Barbara fl.]

I had to leave this a.m. but I am back. The shovel for the pool...that just ain't right.
If a ladder or whatever was floating in a pool and the only thing I could think of to retrieve it would not be a shovel. A shovel would never enter my mind.

Rake, Hoe, something that would be able to grab a ladder rung.


First of all, I don't know many people who have a pool and dont have a net on a long pole.....a shovel is a short length tool, you really couldn't pull anything out of a pool with it....there is no way she borrowed a shovel to pull anything out of a pool.....

I believe that the shovel was borrowed to dig with (what a shovel does)....and it wasn't as easy as Casey thought it would be....jmo

[Scampi]

Yes he did.:sneaky:

I wonder how the defense is going to respond to the state's motion? I wonder if they try to claim "work product" or some other type of privilege? They could always say that they are still "investigating" this information as a means to try to get out of producing any evidence to the prosecution. Not like I believe they really have anything they can share except for pipe dreams.:rolleyes: Do they have any legal recourse for not having to produce this information? They are the ones that opened the door to it by bringing it up in court. What happens if they are ordered to produce it and can't?

I think hotshot macaluso was ignorant as to the reciprical discovery laws in Florida, because he is from San Diego, and shooting his mouth off has put the defense in a position where they have to actually provide all that "proof" that casey anthony is innocent. I am so tickled about this error on todd's part, that any law clerk would have known better then to make. imo.

IMO, the defense has to answer this motion one way or the other. :biggrin:


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[summer4meplz]

I am still stunned there is a Mr. Joy myself..:chicken::chicken:

i thought mr. joy was dead?

[margaritaville]

I just watched Joy's video again and I'm almost 100% sure those are her daughters in that video at the memorial where Caylee was found! That woman is unreal-she's dragging her whole family into this!! Can't wait for LDB to get her on the stand!:cursing:


Okay i missed something here...
Who is Joy?

[sully]

I am still stunned there is a Mr. Joy myself..:chicken::chicken:

Yeah right!! Did you check out her youtube channel? He looks like he tolerates her! IMO:tongue:

[frances1]

Des posted it earlier - 3:30 on the clock is where he starts.

http://www.wftv.com/video/20582650/index.html

I had forgotten it was during a hearing. I went back and listened; thanks for the link. He very explicitly states it is exculpatory evidence. You all are so right.

[really3997]

That's what I love about the "Sunshine Laws" also.....I believe Mr. Macaluso is not familiar with these laws...he now will have to turn over this evidence that he claims to have to the prosecution (and yes it will be made public under these laws).....Baez should have informed all these out of state lawyers how it is worked in Florida....you have to back up your accusations.....

I love it.....:tonguewag:

before we get too excited there is not an Ooops my bad law. Meaning he cant just say I misspoke can he.

[Barbara fl.]

Would a ladder float?


Yes, even the aluminum ones would float....but in any case, one would just go in the pool to get out what they wanted...The pool that the Anthony's have is above ground with a liner, those liners cost anywhere between 200 and 500 dollars depending on the size...no one would risk damaging the liner with a shovel....

[Jeepers]

Would a ladder float?

I am not sure. I guess it is according to what they are made of. Mine is stainless steel with plastic rungs. Mine does not float. It is also bolted down.
With an above ground pool I know that the ladders are easy to remove but, why or how did the ladder get tossed in the pool.

Tornados - we put our table and chairs in the pool so the wind will not tear them up.

[really3997]

I had forgotten it was during a hearing. I went back and listened; thanks for the link. He very explicitly states it is exculpatory evidence. You all are so right.

wasn't the words that "THEY" have uncovered in there also

[Barbara fl.]

before we get too excited there is not an Ooops my bad law. Meaning he cant just say I misspoke can he.


He can retract anything he says....but if he stickes to it he has to show it....which is what the judge asked him to do....It was like saying if you have this evidence you must produce it or shut up"....I think he will shut his mouth from here on in....

However, the defense is going to have to show the prosecution what their defense is actually going to be, and when they do, we will also know what it is....There are to be no surprises during the trial....

[sully]

Okay i missed something here...
Who is Joy?

She's the crazy blonde from JBP with the drunk cowboy, who later said she was searching with TES and has pictures to prove the ground was dry and no body!! I think she is probably the TES teamleader spoken of in the motion yesterday!! Here's her video-just do yourself a favor and turn down the volume-terrible music and no talking!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76MA51PRm8

[Scampi]

I thought again I could have been sipping the rum that day. In one of Hoovers interview he mentioned that him and DC went to the command center of Tims to have them search the area by the school I am almost positive he had papers or pictures that he brought with him. Does this ring a bell. I am at work now so I can search. This is why I thought Tim was a witness for the defense. am I going crazy. ok dont answer that but get me drift

I must confess I don't recall that, doesn't mean it didn't happen tho. Could have been my bourbon day.....lol.

[Jeepers]

First of all, I don't know many people who have a pool and dont have a net on a long pole.....a shovel is a short length tool, you really couldn't pull anything out of a pool with it....there is no way she borrowed a shovel to pull anything out of a pool.....

I believe that the shovel was borrowed to dig with (what a shovel does)....and it wasn't as easy as Casey thought it would be....jmo

That is what we have is a long pole (skimmer) with a net on the end. I guess I could fish the ladder using the pole just never thought about it until Casey came along.
She is just so smart being able improvise

[breezie]

Thank you. I would assume defense and SA. My concern is that DC did this for C & G. So only a public records search is that criminal also. The thought of them having anyones personal information just makes my skin crawl. Again thanks for the info

and just how did they get the names of said protesters? I think that was all talk and no action. Just like everything else the Anthonys (don't) do. Like search for their "that girl".

[Barbara fl.]

I had forgotten it was during a hearing. I went back and listened; thanks for the link. He very explicitly states it is exculpatory evidence. You all are so right.

I heard it as well, and I was wondering when the judge was going to tell him to produce it.....

What got me was, if they had this evidence already, then why were they trying to find a searcher from Tim Millers group....That is why they want the list so badly, they are in hope of coming across someone that will say they searched the area AFTER Casey was arrested and the body was not there....

It could never happen, even if one of the searchers were to say that, it wont make a bit of difference....the forensics show how long the body was there....

This defense is pulling straws...however, they will have to show what their defense is shortly or at least within a certain length of time prior to the trial....

[Barbara fl.]

That is what we have is a long pole (skimmer) with a net on the end. I guess I could fish the ladder using the pole just never thought about it until Casey came along.
She is just so smart being able improvise


I do not go into the pool myself...but I am always pulling things out with the long pole (skimmer)...toys or whatever....aside from leaves and BUGS...:cursing:

[really3997]

and just how did they get the names of said protesters? I think that was all talk and no action. Just like everything else the Anthonys (don't) do. Like search for their "that girl".

He said he ran the license plates

[breezie]

He said he ran the license plates

I still think it was an empty threat. I think he and Cindy were probably being each other's *rock*. None of them seem that proactive to me.

[Scampi]

I think the prosecution is going to be able to link up the shovel to the "disturbed earth" that george discovered behind the pool and showed to one of the detectives. The measurement of the hole and a photo of it are in one of the doc drops, iirc. It was something like five inches by three deep and a foot long, iirc. Indicating to me that the OC attempted to dig a grave for Caylee, but gave up.

[Barbara fl.]

Today is also my anniversary. I, too, remember 9/11/01 and the awful events of that day. I have read that some people whose birthdays, etc., fall on this day have purposely changed their birth dates, or have chosen to celebrate on another day. But I will not allow some $%^&*&^%^&* fanatical moronic off-the-charts idiots to ruin *our* day. We had this day first and we will NOT be chased away.

Make no mistake - I am somber at the memory. We live in PA about 30 miles from Shanksville, and DH saw the plane just before it went down. A dear friend lost her nephew on that plane. I watched CNN for 14 hours straight and cried my eyes out.

But we are going to celebrate today. Not lavishly, not with any hoopla, just the two of us. But it *will* be a celebration.

They can't stop us.


Good for you...and enjoy...you think like I do, I refuse to let anyone upset my life anymore then they already did...My daughters ex boyfriend lost his life in the tower, she had just seen him 2 weeks before, they had broken up friends.....and he had jut started working there 2 months earlier......only 37 years old...

[Barbara fl.]

I think the prosecution is going to be able to link up the shovel to the "disturbed earth" that george discovered behind the pool and showed to one of the detectives. The measurement of the hole and a photo of it are in one of the doc drops, iirc. It was something like five inches by three deep and a foot long, iirc. Indicating to me that the OC attempted to dig a grave for Caylee, but gave up.


I believe that is what she had tried to do and when she saw that she would have had to dig for days to get it so deep that it wouldn't show, she gave up and decided to but the body down the street instead....

[tjcox]

I'm sorry to ask such a stupid question but I have been out of the loop for months. Where is Jose now? Is he still defending Casey?

[jakee]

I think the prosecution is going to be able to link up the shovel to the "disturbed earth" that george discovered behind the pool and showed to one of the detectives. The measurement of the hole and a photo of it are in one of the doc drops, iirc. It was something like five inches by three deep and a foot long, iirc. Indicating to me that the OC attempted to dig a grave for Caylee, but gave up.


I can't remember now, but what was George and Cindy's reason for this digging? Moving plants, digging bamboo?

[cassidy]

I'm sorry to ask such a stupid question but I have been out of the loop for months. Where is Jose now? Is he still defending Casey?

Jose is still around. Marti (the new PR person) and Andrea Lyons have just muzzled him, sort of, sometimes. Not to worry though, he still says dumb things :)

[Jeepers]

I do not go into the pool myself...but I am always pulling things out with the long pole (skimmer)...toys or whatever....aside from leaves and BUGS...:cursing:

I agree, that is all I use it for. I hate bugs:cursing: The A's if remember correctly had just finished re-doing their yard the ground in those areas would still be pretty soft to dig. My mom has a lot of bamboo and it is a pain because it does grow fast and spreads. With the way George appears to act (yard work)I don't think he would have let the bamboo grow high enough to trip over. He had a riding lawn mower and a small yard. Casey needed the shovel to finish the devils work. (Her work)
That girl was so dumb.
What if she had not been so lazy and did manage to bury Caylee in the backyard. I wonder what her next plan would have been?

[tjcox]

Jose is still around. Marti (the new PR person) and Andrea Lyons have just muzzled him, sort of, sometimes. Not to worry though, he still says dumb things :)


LOL. Ok. Thanks!

[kakax]

I think the prosecution is going to be able to link up the shovel to the "disturbed earth" that george discovered behind the pool and showed to one of the detectives. The measurement of the hole and a photo of it are in one of the doc drops, iirc. It was something like five inches by three deep and a foot long, iirc. Indicating to me that the OC attempted to dig a grave for Caylee, but gave up.




Can you imagine??? Trying to dig a grave for your daughter, then riding over to your bfs house to hop into bed. It is sickening.

[Jeepers]

Good for you...and enjoy...you think like I do, I refuse to let anyone upset my life anymore then they already did...My daughters ex boyfriend lost his life in the tower, she had just seen him 2 weeks before, they had broken up friends.....and he had jut started working there 2 months earlier......only 37 years old...

That is so sad. I am sorry hear that. I hope your daughter is doing well.
That was a very sad, shocking day.

[sammy62]

I just watched Joy's video again and I'm almost 100% sure those are her daughters in that video at the memorial where Caylee was found! That woman is unreal-she's dragging her whole family into this!! Can't wait for LDB to get her on the stand!:cursing:

can you put a link to Joy's video here. I haven't seen that one. tia

[sully]

can you put a link to Joy's video here. I haven't seen that one. tia

Here ya go!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76MA51PRm8
There is no talking - so turn your volume down - the music is like nails on a chalkboard!!:thumbdown:

[cassidy]

Can you imagine??? Trying to dig a grave for your daughter, then riding over to your bfs house to hop into bed. It is sickening.

I hope the prosecution uses that image. It turns my stomach :(

[msgatorslayer]

Listening to KC's interview with LE at Universal...KC and LE keep repeating the June 9th date of when KC last saw Caylee...

Wonder why KC used that date...did she really forget or did she intentionally deceive LE and for what reason???

That date would have stood if they had not discovered that Caylee had been to visit her Great Grand Dad at the care facility by virtue of video that Cindy took that day.

If that video did not exist would George or Cindy ever have come forward and say that was not correct...especially George since he remembers everything about the 16th so clearly...

All I know is, ask any Mother or Father about the last day they seen their missing child and they can clearly remember the date w/o getting confused. And they don't wait 31 days for their own Mom to call 911 and report a child is missing.

[need2no]

Good Morning Jeepers, Margaritaville, Sun and all that follow!

1. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
On 7/16 at 0411 hours, Casey told LE the apartment number at Sawgrass is 210, page 72. Apartment 210 was under construction and had been vacant since February 25, 2008 when the previous tenants were evicted, page 59.

2. Casey did not mention she dropped Caylee off at the steps until after LE told her they had video surveillance tape from a nearby complex and apartment #210 was vacant. page 118 at above link

3. Jesse had a key to her car. How does that explain the videos of Casey and Tone at Blockbuster the evening of June 16 without Caylee, the shopping trips on Amy's checking account, the tat, manicure, Casey's stories to her friends Caylee was with the nanny?

Tone took her to the A's on 6/23 to get the gas cans out of the shed. After she put the gas in her car, she put the cans in the trunk of her car. page 55 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

4. LE poked holes in her original story, so now we move to JBP. From what I have read about JBP, it appears to be a pretty popular place. Why didn't she fight back or scream for help?

5. Tone drove her car...when? Did LE find Tone's fingerprints anywhere on the driver's side of the car?

6. Other people had access to Casey's car...who? when? Why didn't she blame them for the smell in her car? Did LE find any fingerprints or evidence besides Casey's and George's on the driver's side of the car?

jmo


Des in regard to your #2 above, I'm confused. Looking at page 117 line 23 casey says " the last time I saw her was on those steps at that apartment that I took you to this morning. This same apartment that I took the officers to last night was...."
Then on page 118 line 9 LE says " We even pulled a survelliance video from an apartment complex and they have to keep this by law for several days okay. And we're not seeing you over there. We're not seeing you there all day."
What am I missing?

casey offered up 2 stories about when she last saw Caylee. She dropped her off on the steps at Sawgrass, and the JBP kidnapping. Neither scenario involved Jesse, nor explains how Jesse could have gotten Caylee in his possession. From day 31 casey never mentioned Jesse when telling her 2 tales of last seeing Caylee. The only way I could imagine the defense bringing Jesse into this is by saying casey was scared to tell about Jesse's involvement because she feared he would harm Caylee and/or her family. So, rather than admit Jesse had something to do with this she made up the ZFG stories. Perhaps they will say she went to Jesse's (the day of the shower), not to shower but to bargain with Jesse to return Caylee. But then there are the texts she sent him about not talking to her parents, and telling him something about some drama when she gets drunk or some such. It's just all insane, and casey is a looney bin.

I love when casey says " I also attempted to contact Zenaida's mother and never received a call back from her. (page 79 line 15)
Then LE asks "do you know a telephone number for Zenaida's mom?"
casey responds with " I do not, no."
I guess she attempted to contact Gloria telepathically. :rolleyes:

[happygert]

I agree, that is all I use it for. I hate bugs:cursing: The A's if remember correctly had just finished re-doing their yard the ground in those areas would still be pretty soft to dig. My mom has a lot of bamboo and it is a pain because it does grow fast and spreads. With the way George appears to act (yard work)I don't think he would have let the bamboo grow high enough to trip over. He had a riding lawn mower and a small yard. Casey needed the shovel to finish the devils work. (Her work)
That girl was so dumb.
What if she had not been so lazy and did manage to bury Caylee in the backyard. I wonder what her next plan would have been?

she would have went on with her plans.. Bed hopping, partying,stealing, probably followed TL and left town..

[need2no]

Barbara,
If you look at the video of Cindy with Caylee in the pool, you will see that it is an above ground, round pool approximately 4 feet deep. It is not like an in ground pool that has a deep and a shallow end. That is why they had to have a ladder to get into it as there was no deck around it.


True, but you still need a pole with a net to clean debris from a pool, whether inground or above ground. And the poles are adjustable to suit the distance you need to reach. Makes much more sense than using a shovel which could also rip the vinyl pool liner.

[really3997]

My bold


This is what I was referring to earlier...I wonder if Sawgrass has surveillance video, or did they just tell her that hoping she would admit she was not there. I tried to find out if they did and never could...maybe "really" would know.


The JBP story was never told to LE or FBI...this was told to her family and LP.

I posted earlier up that maybe I will do a recon mission after work to check it out for you. :crying: sometimes I feel ignored. but I still :loveeyes:

[need2no]

My bold


This is what I was referring to earlier...I wonder if Sawgrass has surveillance video, or did they just tell her that hoping she would admit she was not there. I tried to find out if they did and never could...maybe "really" would know.


The JBP story was never told to LE or FBI...this was told to her family and LP.

I checked Sawgrass Apartments website for amenities and there is NO mention of survelliance cameras. It seems to me they would mention this if they had them.

http://www.apartments.com/partner/cvcommunity.aspx?page=cvcommunity&view=1&property=106761.43&p=AptHL&prvpg=8&partner=AptHL&prvpg=8&ahlp=197067&prvpg=8&ahlcv=1&prvpg=8#Amenities

I think LE was just trying to get the truth out of casey by claiming there were cameras and the video was still available. Heck casey probably knew this wasn't true.

Yes, I realize casey never told the JBP story to LE. I was just saying these are the only 2 scenarios (one allegedly from casey), that we've heard about.

[Jeepers]

I don't understand the ladder in the pool at all. It was said by George that you could not lift the ladder to get it into the pool. The only thing you could move is the steps.:confused:
I don't understand how Cindy and Casey could sit there and (in front of Tracy) brag about how they had the time line all wrong. Like it was some game Casey was playing with LE.
If Casey wanted to get her daughter back why would she not help LE and let them know their time frame was off.
Um, because she killed her precious daughter. Thats why!

Casey has been the center of attention for way over a year now and I think she loves all the attention. Even it it means sitting in a jail. She really thinks she will get off on this murder charge.
I think it was the FBI who thought once they had Casey incarcerated she wouldn't be able to handle it and they would break her. NOPE. She's enjoying all this down deep inside. She thinks if her Mama can't get her out of this than her big attorney (Baez) will.

I hope AL told her she is treading in very thin Ice and she's more than likely going down for this murder. All AL can do is try and get the DP off the table.

I thought the same thing for awhile. I could not get over a 22 year female who did not have a strong long criminal record to hold up to LE the way she did and continues to do.
I get nervous when LE gets behind or beside me going down the road.
I could not pull this off. Especially this lenght of time.

[really3997]

Bolding mine..

This is an obvious " at the moment" in a rage that Casey killed Caylee. The girl had no plan or good stories to give to the FBI. She was making everything up as she went along. Thinking they would just take her word for it like everyone else did in her past. Her word was solid in her feeble head. Casey had no plans that she pondered over to kill Caylee in advance, that night.
This has a lot to do with that fight she and Cindy had on the 15th, I'm sure. That's why no one wants to talk about it. They deny any confrontations on the 15th. That will never come to surface unless the State has a witness that will say they heard all about the fight and what it was about.
OH! Do you think Cindy's brother Rick may come forward?:ohmy:


Even 31 days later an no good plan or story yep she is a bone head who will be in here "dorm" room for a very long time. Do they get a commissary account on Death Row

[really3997]

I checked Sawgrass Apartments website for amenities and there is NO mention of survelliance cameras. It seems to me they would mention this if they had them.

http://www.apartments.com/partner/cvcommunity.aspx?page=cvcommunity&view=1&property=106761.43&p=AptHL&prvpg=8&partner=AptHL&prvpg=8&ahlp=197067&prvpg=8&ahlcv=1&prvpg=8#Amenities

I think LE was just trying to get the truth out of casey by claiming there were cameras and the video was still available. Heck casey probably knew this wasn't true.

Yes, I realize casey never told the JBP story to LE. I was just saying these are the only 2 scenarios (one allegedly from casey), that we've heard about.

If this is where I think it is there is a Walmart and Walgreens around it. IIRC

[really3997]

Our pool skimmer was always hanging on our brick fence near the pool for easy access.

This yard is just as clutter as the house. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

I agree, that is all I use it for. I hate bugs:cursing: The A's if remember correctly had just finished re-doing their yard the ground in those areas would still be pretty soft to dig. My mom has a lot of bamboo and it is a pain because it does grow fast and spreads. With the way George appears to act (yard work)I don't think he would have let the bamboo grow high enough to trip over. He had a riding lawn mower and a small yard. Casey needed the shovel to finish the devils work. (Her work)
That girl was so dumb.
What if she had not been so lazy and did manage to bury Caylee in the backyard. I wonder what her next plan would have been?



Wouldn't that have been something? I guess Cindy and George would have been first on her list to blame...She would probably think that she would blame her parents, they would go to jail for life and she would have the house and no child to bother her....(right up her alley)

Thinking of it that way, she probably can kick herself for not doing that...

[Jeepers]

she would have went on with her plans.. Bed hopping, partying,stealing, probably followed TL and left town..

I guess so but, do you really think TL would have taken Casey to NY with him. I really don't he was that much into her for the long run.

[Jeepers]

Wouldn't that have been something? I guess Cindy and George would have been first on her list to blame...She would probably think that she would blame her parents, they would go to jail for life and she would have the house and no child to bother her....(right up her alley)

Thinking of it that way, she probably can kick herself for not doing that...

That would have been the perfect plan in a mind like Casey's. So that did not happen so she just blamed her friends instead.

[need2no]

OK just called them...the girl said they had surveillance around and facing their amenities...the office, pool, etc...do not face or show individual apartments...they have ADT? set up in all the apartments but you have to pay yourself to have it set up.

Interesting, thanks for checking and sharing. So the apartments are wired for ADT home security, but the tenants must pay the monthly fee if they want the service. But ADT wouldn't have video tape so I still think LE was just trying to fool casey. I'd also be curious how long the apartment complex kept the surveillance tapes.

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara,
If you look at the video of Cindy with Caylee in the pool, you will see that it is an above ground, round pool approximately 4 feet deep. It is not like an in ground pool that has a deep and a shallow end. That is why they had to have a ladder to get into it as there was no deck around it.


Right....but even if the ladder had gotten into the pool, a shovel would not have been able to be used to get it out....I also believe I saw a skimmer (long pole with a net) that wouild have been much more usefull in trying to get the ladder....also, why not just go in and get it....it's not like she had on her work clothes or something....she was home, she could have very easily gone in and got it.....

The shovel wouldn't make any sense other then to dig a hole and in this case the hole would have been a grave....JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding mine..

This is an obvious " at the moment" in a rage that Casey killed Caylee. The girl had no plan or good stories to give to the FBI. She was making everything up as she went along. Thinking they would just take her word for it like everyone else did in her past. Her word was solid in her feeble head. Casey had no plans that she pondered over to kill Caylee in advance, that night.
This has a lot to do with that fight she and Cindy had on the 15th, I'm sure. That's why no one wants to talk about it. They deny any confrontations on the 15th. That will never come to surface unless the State has a witness that will say they heard all about the fight and what it was about.
OH! Do you think Cindy's brother Rick may come forward?:ohmy:


I do believe it happened that way...the only difference is that I believe that she had thought of doing this prior and that fight tipped the scale....

[Jeepers]

Even 31 days later an no good plan or story yep she is a bone head who will be in here "dorm" room for a very long time. Do they get a commissary account on Death Row

Yes, where SP is they spend can $180.00 a month in the prison store, they can have a small TV, radio,cd playersmall hot plate to warm up food items bought in the commissary.
no computer access
they can have a typewriter

From what I read about Scott is, he writes his stuff up and his family retypes and puts it on the computer for him.

[really3997]

Right....but even if the ladder had gotten into the pool, a shovel would not have been able to be used to get it out....I also believe I saw a skimmer (long pole with a net) that wouild have been much more usefull in trying to get the ladder....also, why not just go in and get it....it's not like she had on her work clothes or something....she was home, she could have very easily gone in and got it.....

The shovel wouldn't make any sense other then to dig a hole and in this case the hole would have been a grave....JMO

wasn't the shovel cleared. all those tests are in the doc dumps correct.

[Barbara fl.]

That would have been the perfect plan in a mind like Casey's. So that did not happen so she just blamed her friends instead.


And she probably would have stood a better chance.....but in blaming her friends and her not reporting her own child missing is just never going to wash.....she could have said that she thought Caylee was fine with her parents and had no reason to worry....WOW, I can almost hear her now, telling that story.....Cindy and George should thank their stars that Caylee wasn't buried in the back yard.... They would all be sitting in adjouring cells right now....(with NO pizza)

[really3997]

Yes, where SP is they spend can $180.00 a month in the prison store, they can have a small TV, radio,cd playersmall hot plate to warm up food items bought in the commissary.
no computer access
they can have a typewriter

From what I read about Scott is, he writes his stuff up and his family retypes and puts it on the computer for him.

Wow. I would love to blow that much money on junk food a month. Thats a lot of cheese whiz jmo

[Barbara fl.]

wasn't the shovel cleared. all those tests are in the doc dumps correct.


Yes, I do believe it was cleared...I wonder if the neighbor ever got it back?

[really3997]

Yes, I do believe it was cleared...I wonder if the neighbor ever got it back?

Would you want it back:sad:

[Jeepers]

I do believe it happened that way...the only difference is that I believe that she had thought of doing this prior and that fight tipped the scale....

I agree, I said that myself. Casey had thought for a long time about getting rid of Caylee. The fight made her act on it.
With that being said I stay dumbfounded on the chloroform. Did she already have it? Did she make some? I feel in my heart this act was done in rage but the use of chlorofom would take more thought
The shovel and the chloroform has got my goat!

[Jeepers]

Wow. I would love to blow that much money on junk food a month. Thats a lot of cheese whiz jmo

You got that right! But like Casey, crazy people are sending their hard earned dollars to them every day for their enjoyment.

[need2no]

Absolutely, I have a very long pole since my pool is 10 feet deep. (my bold) However, you are giving Casey credit for having sense? Do you think she gave a dam if she tore that liner? :wink:

Not a lick of sense or concern...just an evil person.

Nope, casey who didn't even care about the life of her child surely wouldn't give a dam about her parent's pool liner being destroyed.
Forgive my lapse....I must remember who we are talking about...the evil one.

[Barbara fl.]

Absolutely, I have a very long pole since my pool is 10 feet deep. (my bold) However, you are giving Casey credit for having sense? Do you think she gave a dam if she tore that liner? :wink:


10 feet deep? WOW...must be beautiful....

But, think of it this way...putting a shovel in a pool and trying to grab something out would have been a very heavy task....the shovel is heavy and when it is in the water trying to grab something it would have been impossible....and I truly doubt that she would have wanted to rip that lining, i'm sure she knew that Cindy and George would have had a fit....the water would seep out and flood the entire back yard...

I truly believe that the shovel was going to be used as a shovel....to dig with....

[really3997]

You got that right! But like Casey, crazy people are sending their hard earned dollars to them every day for their enjoyment.

Maybe they can put a web cam in here sell. Here on personal "Big Brother" show. she wants to be a star and all. Use the money to pay us back:tonguewag:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree, I said that myself. Casey had thought for a long time about getting rid of Caylee. The fight made her act on it.
With that being said I stay dumbfounded on the chloroform. Did she already have it? Did she make some? I feel in my heart this act was done in rage but the use of chlorofom would take more thought
The shovel and the chloroform has got my goat!


I believe that the chloroform was more of a sexual thing that some young people may try....she even mentioned it to someone...and it also had been mentioned on my space somewhere...

I really do believe that the tape was the murder weapon and it was done following the arguement with Cindy....but had previously been thought of doing....that is really my belief...

[happygert]

I guess so but, do you really think TL would have taken Casey to NY with him. I really don't he was that much into her for the long run.

No, do I think she would have followed yes... then went to California to be with MH. told everyone Caylee was with her parents.. told her parents Caylee was with her and the nanny was also there to take care of Caylee while she worked..

[Jeepers]

Maybe they can put a web cam in here sell. Here on personal "Big Brother" show. she wants to be a star and all. Use the money to pay us back:tonguewag:

Man, that would be scary!:scared: I don't think I could watch that. Maybe it could just be closed circuit and she could watch herself watching herself.

[need2no]

Maybe they can put a web cam in here sell. Here on personal "Big Brother" show. she wants to be a star and all. Use the money to pay us back:tonguewag:

I hope she will be featured on the show LOCK UP. Would do my heart good. :biggrin:

[margaritaville]

She's the crazy blonde from JBP with the drunk cowboy, who later said she was searching with TES and has pictures to prove the ground was dry and no body!! I think she is probably the TES teamleader spoken of in the motion yesterday!! Here's her video-just do yourself a favor and turn down the volume-terrible music and no talking!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76MA51PRm8


thank you!!

First I had heard of this!!

[Barbara fl.]

No, do I think she would have followed yes... then went to California to be with MH. told everyone Caylee was with her parents.. told her parents Caylee was with her and the nanny was also there to take care of Caylee while she worked..


Now that I believe....if she had a place to go, far away, that is what she would have pulled....everyone she knew would have been given a different story as to where Caylee was and who she was with...and there is no telling how long she could have gotten away with that....

But then there WAS Kronk, and there is a strong possibilty that the remains would have been found...then she would be in the same hot water she is in now....

But, yes, I agree she would have tried it....

[frances1]

I believe that the chloroform was more of a sexual thing that some young people may try....she even mentioned it to someone...and it also had been mentioned on my space somewhere...

I really do believe that the tape was the murder weapon and it was done following the arguement with Cindy....but had previously been thought of doing....that is really my belief...


Barbara, I've wondered too, if that chloroform was something George and Cindy used in their cleaning spree on the car when they got it back. I know people say you can't buy it any more, but might George have had an old bottle or something?

[Barbara fl.]

Would you want it back:sad:


Absolutely not......But the Anthony's should have at least replaced it...(as good neighbors often do) :rolleyes:

[Jeepers]

No, do I think she would have followed yes... then went to California to be with MH. told everyone Caylee was with her parents.. told her parents Caylee was with her and the nanny was also there to take care of Caylee while she worked..

I think that was her true plan. She could not find away to get out of town or maybe she thought TL really did like her and she did not want to leave too soon.
I think by the time she stole Amy's money and used Cindy's credit card she stole enough money to leave on if she really wanted to leave she would have and used the Caylee is with me story but, something kept her here.

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara, I've wondered too, if that chloroform was something George and Cindy used in their cleaning spree on the car when they got it back. I know people say you can't buy it any more, but might George have had an old bottle or something?


Yes, that can be very likely....I wonder if LE ever thought about that...they did take some things out of the trunk and wash them, I would assume that they would also try and get rid of the odor...

Very good point...

[need2no]

No, do I think she would have followed yes... then went to California to be with MH. told everyone Caylee was with her parents.. told her parents Caylee was with her and the nanny was also there to take care of Caylee while she worked..

Not that casey was/is logical mind you, but how long would that have lasted. Could casey have gone 3 weeks, or 3 months, or through the Christmas holidays putting Cindy and George off about talking to Caylee over the phone. And Cindy would have wanted pictures of Caylee...how would casey pull that off. What if Cindy called and got Mark on the phone and asked how Caylee was doing. Surely casey didn't think this through at all if this was in fact her grand plan.

[apothecary]

Since tha A's are so eager to blame someone for Caylee's murder,perhaps Cindy could do the supreme act of love for Casey herself and confess that she killed Caylee so that Casey could go free.I do not see this happening because Cindy is too selfish to take the rap,but not opposed to anyone else rotting in jail for her daughter.:thumbsup:

[Jeepers]

And she probably would have stood a better chance.....but in blaming her friends and her not reporting her own child missing is just never going to wash.....she could have said that she thought Caylee was fine with her parents and had no reason to worry....WOW, I can almost hear her now, telling that story.....Cindy and George should thank their stars that Caylee wasn't buried in the back yard.... They would all be sitting in adjouring cells right now....(with NO pizza)

That would have been perfect.
The Anthony's with no pizza! :w00t:
Ketchup Day at OCJ just can't come too quick.

[Barbara fl.]

I think that was her true plan. She could not find away to get out of town or maybe she thought TL really did like her and she did not want to leave too soon.
I think by the time she stole Amy's money and used Cindy's credit card she stole enough money to leave on if she really wanted to leave she would have and used the Caylee is with me story but, something kept her here.


Yah, Tony kept her here...and now she will get even with him for her staying...by trying to implicate him....

Casey must destroy everyone that she thinks crossed her in some way...She is blaming Cindy for calling 911......

I wish I had some pictures of Tony with his new girlfriend to send to Casey for her wall.....:tonguewag:

[Barbara fl.]

A 21 year old girl who lives there and uses the pool has seen her mother, her father and her brother use that pool skimmer. She knows what it's used for. Caylee (at her age) watching would know what it's used for.
The reason for the shovel was a really lousy LIE...Thats all.
No one, NO ONE leaves their pool skimmer locked up if their pool is up 24/7...Another LIE!

Exactly.......

[Bala]

Don't want you to think I was being critical of you mentioning it. I appreciate it and have been thinking about it all morning myself.
Just want to say your Canadian friends remember as well. Are hearts and best wishes go out to our American friends.

[need2no]

I just called the Sawgrass Apartments. They have video surveillance at the pool, tennis court, fitness room, office and the one gate which is the only gate in or out. The gate camera does pick up license plate numbers as well as the vehicle itself.

Thanks, so the question now would be how long do they keep the video. :shrug:

[Bala]

I have posted this early on in this case. Cleaning with Chloroform in it's purest form is impossible without respiration equipment and not just a simple painters mask. If George used it he would have been laying prostate on his garage floor. Chloroform is however used as a component in cleaning products along with other compounds but never in a pure form for that purpose. Chloroform is highly volatile and must be stored at room temperature in a brown bottle. I see no reason for George to have this in his posession. I think that all that is conjecture by some.
I think that some of us mistake chloroform for house hold bleach. We have that for so long they are one in the same.

[happygert]

Now that I believe....if she had a place to go, far away, that is what she would have pulled....everyone she knew would have been given a different story as to where Caylee was and who she was with...and there is no telling how long she could have gotten away with that....

But then there WAS Kronk, and there is a strong possibilty that the remains would have been found...then she would be in the same hot water she is in now....

But, yes, I agree she would have tried it....

But, would anyone be looking for a body? and If one was found and no one reported Caylee missing it would have came down to a body of a small child found. anyone having info on a missing child please call...It would have taken a long long tme.. time everyone did dna testing and compared it to missing children that age group...who knows how long she would have gotten by with it maybe forever..

[Jeepers]

Yah, Tony kept her here...and now she will get even with him for her staying...by trying to implicate him....

Casey must destroy everyone that she thinks crossed her in some way...She is blaming Cindy for calling 911......

I wish I had some pictures of Tony with his new girlfriend to send to Casey for her wall.....:tonguewag:

That would be priceless!


Here's a little pix of me & my new girl I thought you might enjoy. Look you can hang it on your dorm wall right next to your bed!

Chow,
TL

[need2no]

Yah, Tony kept her here...and now she will get even with him for her staying...by trying to implicate him....

Casey must destroy everyone that she thinks crossed her in some way...She is blaming Cindy for calling 911......

I wish I had some pictures of Tony with his new girlfriend to send to Casey for her wall.....:tonguewag:


You devil you....I've thought the same thing. :biggrin:

Perhaps TonE's gf will come to court with him hand in hand, gawd I hope so.

[Jeepers]

I have got leave for awhile. I enjoyed talking with everyone. I will be back later.

[Dells]

Even 31 days later an no good plan or story yep she is a bone head who will be in here "dorm" room for a very long time. Do they get a commissary account on Death Row

Yes, she had 31 days to come up w/a good story and all she had was that Zanny the invisible non existent nanny kidnapped her child and she was either afraid or ugly coping so that is why she didn't call LE and report Caylee missing.:rolleyes: I guess Casey was too busy, partying, hanging out w/her boyfriend, getting tattoos, and stealing money/checks from Amy to come up w/anything better. :shrug:

[desmom]

Des in regard to your #2 above, I'm confused. Looking at page 117 line 23 casey says " the last time I saw her was on those steps at that apartment that I took you to this morning. This same apartment that I took the officers to last night was...."
Then on page 118 line 9 LE says " We even pulled a survelliance video from an apartment complex and they have to keep this by law for several days okay. And we're not seeing you over there. We're not seeing you there all day."
What am I missing?

casey offered up 2 stories about when she last saw Caylee. She dropped her off on the steps at Sawgrass, and the JBP kidnapping. Neither scenario involved Jesse, nor explains how Jesse could have gotten Caylee in his possession. From day 31 casey never mentioned Jesse when telling her 2 tales of last seeing Caylee. The only way I could imagine the defense bringing Jesse into this is by saying casey was scared to tell about Jesse's involvement because she feared he would harm Caylee and/or her family. So, rather than admit Jesse had something to do with this she made up the ZFG stories. Perhaps they will say she went to Jesse's (the day of the shower), not to shower but to bargain with Jesse to return Caylee. But then there are the texts she sent him about not talking to her parents, and telling him something about some drama when she gets drunk or some such. It's just all insane, and casey is a looney bin.

I love when casey says " I also attempted to contact Zenaida's mother and never received a call back from her. (page 79 line 15)
Then LE asks "do you know a telephone number for Zenaida's mom?"
casey responds with " I do not, no."
I guess she attempted to contact Gloria telepathically. :rolleyes:

I don't think Casey is the one that involved Jesse. I think it came from George and or Cindy.

IIRC, George made several unfavorable statements about Jesse in his interviews with LE and Cindy also tried to point LE at Jesse.

IMO, their dislike for Jesse began the day he had a paternity test done. I mean, just who did he think he was to question their Princess. :rolleyes:

[Dells]

Right....but even if the ladder had gotten into the pool, a shovel would not have been able to be used to get it out....I also believe I saw a skimmer (long pole with a net) that wouild have been much more usefull in trying to get the ladder....also, why not just go in and get it....it's not like she had on her work clothes or something....she was home, she could have very easily gone in and got it.....

The shovel wouldn't make any sense other then to dig a hole and in this case the hole would have been a grave....JMO

Bolding mine....

So true. I wonder if the prosecution has tried setting up an experiment to see just how easy it is to try to fish a ladder out of an above ground pool using a shovel? Wouldn't it be funny if they set up that experiment for the jurors? Oh how I wish they could call Casey forward to demonstrate just how she fished the ladder out of the pool that day....

[Bala]

I agree, the notion of someone else having her car and killing Caylee is absurd on its face. Especially since we have george on record as seeing her open that trunk and flinging the gas cans at him. Placing her at the trunk and acting suspiciously.

Wouldn't Casey have notice Caylee in the truck of the car when she opened it to throw Tone's garbage in it?

[bchand]

Just want to say your Canadian friends remember as well. Are hearts and best wishes go out to our American friends.

That's so nice of you Bala. Thanks

[Barbara fl.]

But, would anyone be looking for a body? and If one was found and no one reported Caylee missing it would have came down to a body of a small child found. anyone having info on a missing child please call...It would have taken a long long tme.. time everyone did dna testing and compared it to missing children that age group...who knows how long she would have gotten by with it maybe forever..


Your right...but probably someone of her group or friends that hadn't seen Caylee for so long and a body of a small child being found near her home could have sparked something...It would probably have taken awhile but it would have eventually be discovered who the child was...

[need2no]

I have posted this early on in this case. Cleaning with Chloroform in it's purest form is impossible without respiration equipment and not just a simple painters mask. If George used it he would have been laying prostate on his garage floor. Chloroform is however used as a component in cleaning products along with other compounds but never in a pure form for that purpose. Chloroform is highly volatile and must be stored at room temperature in a brown bottle. I see no reason for George to have this in his posession. I think that all that is conjecture by some.


ITA, and according to chemist Jeff Flowers positive tests for vaporized chloroform mean those results could not have come from anything else -not cleaning products, not human body fluids or a mixture of anything else.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17397494/detail.html

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding mine....

So true. I wonder if the prosecution has tried setting up an experiment to see just how easy it is to try to fish a ladder out of an above ground pool using a shovel? Wouldn't it be funny if they set up that experiment for the jurors? Oh how I wish they could call Casey forward to demonstrate just how she fished the ladder out of the pool that day....


It just would be impossible to push a shovel thru the water...it's hard to push a oar thru the water when on a row boat.....especially if your not used to rowing...(trust me, I tried it once and went around in circles) ...a broom would have been easier to use then a shovel....

Just no way did she borrow a shovel to get a ladder out of the pool...no more sense then a pizza smelling like decomp...:thumbdown:

[Barbara fl.]

That would be priceless!


Here's a little pix of me & my new girl I thought you might enjoy. Look you can hang it on your dorm wall right next to your bed!

Chow,
TL


And while eating a slice of pizza don't forget....:laugh:

[spydernweb2006]

Bolding mine....

So true. I wonder if the prosecution has tried setting up an experiment to see just how easy it is to try to fish a ladder out of an above ground pool using a shovel? Wouldn't it be funny if they set up that experiment for the jurors? Oh how I wish they could call Casey forward to demonstrate just how she fished the ladder out of the pool that day....

After reading your post I had a mental pic of the Pro's trying to get a ladder out of an above ground pool in front of the Jury and the lining ripping and soaking them all....

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[jammies]

You devil you....I've thought the same thing. :biggrin:

Perhaps TonE's gf will come to court with him hand in hand, gawd I hope so.



With a HUGE ROCK on her finger!!

[JHP]

With a HUGE ROCK on her finger!!

I think it would be quite funny if Amy was the one who ended up with Tony or Jesse. Large Rock and quite a bit of comforting each other in the courtroom. That would be perfect imo.

[JHP]

It just would be impossible to push a shovel thru the water...it's hard to push a oar thru the water when on a row boat.....especially if your not used to rowing...(trust me, I tried it once and went around in circles) ...a broom would have been easier to use then a shovel....

Just no way did she borrow a shovel to get a ladder out of the pool...no more sense then a pizza smelling like decomp...:thumbdown:

I have the theory that Caylee was in the backyard for the first few days, in her house or sandbox. I think Casey could have borrowed the shovel to carry her to the trunk. I also think this is where the pizza box came into play.

All mo

[kakax]

With a HUGE ROCK on her finger!!



By the time this gets to trial...he could be married with child. :ohmy: Maybe she could come preggo!

[Imperfect4]

With a HUGE ROCK on her finger!!

And dare I add, an obvious bun in the oven? :sneaky:

ETA: I owe you a Coke, kakax. :thumbsup:

[need2no]

Imagine casey hearing that TonE's GF had a son. :biggrin:

[Lavinia]

ITA, and according to chemist Jeff Flowers positive tests for vaporized chloroform mean those results could not have come from anything else -not cleaning products, not human body fluids or a mixture of anything else.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17397494/detail.html

I haven't been around the last couple of days and will only be in and out today. Sickness abounds around here, but I did want to address something I read at your link N2N.

"Sources first told WESH 2 that the level of chloroform that authorities said they found in Casey Anthony car was "suspiciously high." They also told WESH 2 that her computer confiscated within hours of her July arrest, show visits to Web sites with information on chloroform."

Is there a level of chloroform that is NOT *suspiciously* high? I got from reading that that there is a level of chloroform that might be expected or accepted. What thinkest thou?

[imc_e]

IIRC a certain level of chloroform is present during human decomposition.

[ladeebug565]

Great post, desmom, as always!:thumbup:

You have shown just how and why the prosecution will be able to knock down any possible strategy that the defense will come up with. Not that the prosecution even needs to knock anything down. They are so ridiculous and far fetched that the theories will self destruct all on their own, without any help from the prosecution at all. When Casey is confronted w/information as to how and why her stories (lies) can't be true, what does she do? She comes up w/equally unbelievable explanations. Like a jury is going to believe her and her defense team. She keeps trying to give a new lie, hoping that one will stick. I guess she thinks as long as she has some explanation, even if it is not plausible at all, then she is covered as far as reasonable doubt is concerned. Not true. The jury won't believe her or her defense team, and they will swiftly convict her. She's going down. This is one mess she is not going to be able to talk (lie) her way out of.

Although not admissable, the other three people that have been accused of involvement, Tone, Jesse and Amy, have taken lie-detector tests. These folks will have no problem getting on the stand to freely tell their stories. The people who have not taken lie detectors, the Anthony family, will be combative, hostile or, in Casey's case, not take the stand at all. Who ya gonna believe?

[AnniePie]

Yah, Tony kept her here...and now she will get even with him for her staying...by trying to implicate him....

Casey must destroy everyone that she thinks crossed her in some way...She is blaming Cindy for calling 911......

I wish I had some pictures of Tony with his new girlfriend to send to Casey for her wall.....:tonguewag:

I doubt that Tony has a new girlfriend yet. I think it will take a lot of time for any of those young people to trust anyone new in their lives after Casey did what she did. I have a feeling that they are very shattered emotionally over how she betrayed them.

[need2no]

I haven't been around the last couple of days and will only be in and out today. Sickness abounds around here, but I did want to address something I read at your link N2N.

"Sources first told WESH 2 that the level of chloroform that authorities said they found in Casey Anthony car was "suspiciously high." They also told WESH 2 that her computer confiscated within hours of her July arrest, show visits to Web sites with information on chloroform."

Is there a level of chloroform that is NOT *suspiciously* high? I got from reading that that there is a level of chloroform that might be expected or accepted. What thinkest thou?

I suppose low levels (non vaporized) of chloroform would indicate just the use of a cleaning solvent.

I don't know Lavinia, it's confusing. My take on this is it seems that what he's saying is it had to be large amounts since chloroform cannot vaporize or get in to the air unless large amounts of it are present. So...there must have been positive tests for vaporized, airborne chloroform.

:shrug:

[num1barb]

It just would be impossible to push a shovel thru the water...it's hard to push a oar thru the water when on a row boat.....especially if your not used to rowing...(trust me, I tried it once and went around in circles) ...a broom would have been easier to use then a shovel....

Just no way did she borrow a shovel to get a ladder out of the pool...no more sense then a pizza smelling like decomp...:thumbdown:

ITA.
Besides the shovel being heavy, the pool is above ground and you would have to be standing outside the pool, lift the shovel over the side of the pool, which is about 4' off the ground, then push the shovel through the water to snag the ladder. IIRC the OC isn't (or wasn't) a large girl, and not tall either. The pool probably came up to her sternum when standing beside it. She wouldn't have been able to do this.

Heck I lift weights 4 or 5 days a week and I would probably have a hard time doing that. Not that I would ever be so silly as to think that a shovel would be the right tool for that job of course :tonguewag:

[need2no]

I doubt that Tony has a new girlfriend yet. I think it will take a lot of time for any of those young people to trust anyone new in their lives after Casey did what she did. I have a feeling that they are very shattered emotionally over how she betrayed them.

I thought I'd read in one of the interviews (can't remember who was been interviewed), that TonE was seeing Melissa (I think that was her name), and right now I can't recall who she is, but casey knew her. IIRC any of this correctly, TonE was seeing her just a short time after casey was arrested in July.

Anyone else recall this, or do I have to start reading interviews again?

[ladeebug565]

I don't remember LE telling Casey the apartment complex was under surveillance, but I do remember them telling her that the apartment that she claimed to have dropped Caylee off at had been vacant for quite some period of time. That is when Casey changed her story about dropping Caylee off at the actual apartment and then just said that she dropped her off at the stairs instead. Yeah, like that's believable.:sneaky:

I do recall an officer telling her that the there was a camera.

[ladeebug565]

I had to leave this a.m. but I am back. The shovel for the pool...that just ain't right.
If a ladder or whatever was floating in a pool and the only thing I could think of to retrieve it would not be a shovel. A shovel would never enter my mind.

Rake, Hoe, something that would be able to grab a ladder rung.

I'd probably be more worried about my kidnapped daughter than retrieving a shovel from a pool, but that's just me. :tonguewag:

[ladeebug565]

First of all, I don't know many people who have a pool and dont have a net on a long pole.....a shovel is a short length tool, you really couldn't pull anything out of a pool with it....there is no way she borrowed a shovel to pull anything out of a pool.....

I believe that the shovel was borrowed to dig with (what a shovel does)....and it wasn't as easy as Casey thought it would be....jmo

Dumb Criminal 101: Where is the last place that the police will look for your missing child? In your backyard, of course.

Casey probably had a fresh manny and peddy and didn't want to muss them. She wasn't one to labor or miss a party.

[kakax]

I suppose low levels (non vaporized) of chloroform would indicate just the use of a cleaning solvent.

I don't know Lavinia, it's confusing. My take on this is it seems that what he's saying is it had to be large amounts since chloroform cannot vaporize or get in to the air unless large amounts of it are present. So...there must have been positive tests for vaporized, airborne chloroform.

:shrug:


I don't know if this has been said yet, but when the first air sample tests came out (it may be in the report), there is a level of chloroform that can come off a dead body. From what I understood, the level was way too high to have just been from a decomposing body.

[desmom]

Dr. G Reflects On Caylee Autopsy
http://www.wesh.com/news/20850570/detail.html
(video link on right - She does not reveal any bombshell info in the interview.)

[Postergeist]

Although not admissable, the other three people that have been accused of involvement, Tone, Jesse and Amy, have taken lie-detector tests. These folks will have no problem getting on the stand to freely tell their stories. The people who have not taken lie detectors, the Anthony family, will be combative, hostile or, in Casey's case, not take the stand at all. Who ya gonna believe?

Hi ladeebug- Yes, great point- the 3 people that have been accused by the A's did all take the LD tests

and all the A's refused to take those very tests-

If the defense wants to throw out that *other* people had keys and access to the car-

then they really don't have to look any further than the A's-

The car was orig. the parents > then given to Lee > then to Casey

So G, C & L had keys to the car

IMO- the family has always had more access to Casey's car than any of her friends.

They all lived at Hopespring/moved back to Hopespring so they all would have keys to the home.

They all would have access to the trash bags and laundry basket.

They all would have access to the backyard and to disturb any of the ground in back.

They all would have access to the duct tape- since it appears that it was used for home repairs of the A's gas cans.

They all lived much closer to the dump site than J, T or A.

So the defense would be much better off convincing the jury to keep the murder inside the family, than to point fingers to others that just wouldn't have the same kind of easy access to everything and not raise suspicion from neighbors.

imo



(o/t Happy Ann. to Spots, sorry to hear about gert's DIL's accident, & thoughts to those that lost loved ones 8 yrs. ago today)

[num1barb]

Yes, yes, recon, recon 3997.:thumbsup:



Really, you are so sweet for doing your drive-bys of the a house and reporting back to us.....and now taking on this little recon mission.

:wub:

[Dells]

Although not admissable, the other three people that have been accused of involvement, Tone, Jesse and Amy, have taken lie-detector tests. These folks will have no problem getting on the stand to freely tell their stories. The people who have not taken lie detectors, the Anthony family, will be combative, hostile or, in Casey's case, not take the stand at all. Who ya gonna believe?

So true. Even though the LDT's themselves cannot be submitted into evidence, can the fact that they did take the LTD be submitted into evidence?

[kakax]

Dr. G Reflects On Caylee Autopsy
http://www.wesh.com/news/20850570/detail.html
(video link on right - She does not reveal any bombshell info in the interview.)


I love that show. A lot of times in these cases I have followed, the ME is very dry and a little odd. She is so personable. Easy to understand, as well.

Try to impeach her Baez. Go for it.:sneaky:
See who believes you.

[Postergeist]

I doubt that Tony has a new girlfriend yet. I think it will take a lot of time for any of those young people to trust anyone new in their lives after Casey did what she did. I have a feeling that they are very shattered emotionally over how she betrayed them.

No doubt Annie-

and if they were super prudent- they would limit their future connections to either people that are full orphans, or will do thorough back ground checks and credit reports on not just their love interest, but also the parents and any siblings of their potential sweetie and then speak to their grandparents to see if they are thieves, in case the parents lie about how their kid is...

whew- sounds like they'd need a PI for all that trouble, lol. :sneaky:

[Bala]

So true. Even though the LDT's themselves cannot be submitted into evidence, can the fact that they did take the LTD be submitted into evidence?
I have often wondered about this. We know that the LDT can't be used against the defendant but can the prosecutors bring up the fact that the other A's refused to take one during their testimony?

[kakax]

No doubt Annie-

and if they were super prudent- they would limit their future connections to either people that are full orphans, or will do thorough back ground checks and credit reports on not just their love interest, but also the parents and any siblings of their potential sweetie and then speak to their grandparents to see if they are thieves, in case the parents lie about how their kid is...

whew- sounds like they'd need a PI for all that trouble, lol. :sneaky:


I, for one, pray that all of these young people, have successful lives....whatever their wishes or dreams are, I hope they come true.

They deserve it after being put through HELL.

[ish]

Not that casey was/is logical mind you, but how long would that have lasted. Could casey have gone 3 weeks, or 3 months, or through the Christmas holidays putting Cindy and George off about talking to Caylee over the phone. And Cindy would have wanted pictures of Caylee...how would casey pull that off. What if Cindy called and got Mark on the phone and asked how Caylee was doing. Surely casey didn't think this through at all if this was in fact her grand plan.

Casey never thought that far ahead, she was going day by day. I think this was her plan, it would have bought her time. All she needed was "one more day". If that car had not been towed or if Casey had gone by the house and found the notice from the towyard prior to Cindy and been able delay them finding out it was impounded she would have bought herself another few weeks. The problem then would have been Amy finding out Casey stole from her, the cops would have gone to HopeSpring to look for Casey. She had to get out of town, California was perfect, and she could avoid G & C easily, get a new cell phone etc.

[kakax]

So true. Even though the LDT's themselves cannot be submitted into evidence, can the fact that they did take the LTD be submitted into evidence?


I don't think so.


ETA: In the MM case in NJ, both sides had to agree to allow any kind of lie detector information into evidence. It may be diff. from state to state.

[ish]

Although not admissable, the other three people that have been accused of involvement, Tone, Jesse and Amy, have taken lie-detector tests. These folks will have no problem getting on the stand to freely tell their stories. The people who have not taken lie detectors, the Anthony family, will be combative, hostile or, in Casey's case, not take the stand at all. Who ya gonna believe?

Jesse isn't going to be easy to frame, he was working as a probationary cop til his resignation in late June (Ithink) when did he have time to kidnap Caylee? Even if he(Jesse) had a key to the car, TonE testified that he picked Casey up from the Amscot where the car was towed from later. Did Jesse just happen upon her abandoned car at the Amscot and put Caylee in the trunk just long enough to get the decomp odor and then return remove the body and dump it on Suburban? Any of these scenarios are just too far fetched, jeez the reality is strange enough, but it's logical. All the alternative possibilities are just too out there to have credibility

[happygert]

I think that was her true plan. She could not find away to get out of town or maybe she thought TL really did like her and she did not want to leave too soon.
I think by the time she stole Amy's money and used Cindy's credit card she stole enough money to leave on if she really wanted to leave she would have and used the Caylee is with me story but, something kept her here.

IMO she was waiting until TL was ready to leave.. if he had left before the car was found casey would have been history.. she'd would have went home when no one was there stold some checks cashed them and been gone before cindy ever got her bank statements.. or before she ever checked her bank balance..what kept casey there was her stud muffin..not Caylee or her family..Caylee was the last thing on her mind.

[Postergeist]

I, for one, pray that all of these young people, have successful lives....whatever their wishes or dreams are, I hope they come true.

They deserve it after being put through HELL.

agree with ya kakax- I have felt so bad for all of them, including ZG and for the great-grands, the extended family that have never been on camera or interviewed by LE (that we know of).

I couldn't imagine what it would be like for say- George's parents to see the news over the past year and to see his behavior on camera, or to see their DIL's behavior- or for C & G's siblings to get asked by co-workers, etc. 'hey- isn't that your brother/sister that's making that ruckus on tv?'

Dang, even poor Tim Miller. :sad:

I'm sorry, I just have not seen the A's spreading the Christian agape 'love'.

[ttcRider]

I still think there is a possibility that she did put her in the back yard...play house or sand box at least for awhile, till she gathered her thoughts and decided that wasn't a good idea...that's why I think the cadaver dogs hit back there.

Thats what I think as well, its the only thing that would explain why the dogs hit on that area. :sad:

[Postergeist]

I still think there is a possibility that she did put her in the back yard...play house or sand box at least for awhile, till she gathered her thoughts and decided that wasn't a good idea...that's why I think the cadaver dogs hit back there.


Agree, I accept what the cadaver dogs hit on. I trust dogs over anything the A's could say.


Rapunzel- wanted to also thank you :wub: for putting in that link yesterday- I was reading back this morning and saw it- so you helped solve the-

"where is DCasey, PI from?" question-

yay!

For those of us that thought his accent was stateside- Rapunzel's link shows that he is a British Native

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFaxOPQseM

[KittyMom]

Any response from def on the SA's motion for evidence? Bet they're scrambling trying to come up with something to cya. lol

[desmom]

Casey never thought that far ahead, she was going day by day. I think this was her plan, it would have bought her time. All she needed was "one more day". If that car had not been towed or if Casey had gone by the house and found the notice from the towyard prior to Cindy and been able delay them finding out it was impounded she would have bought herself another few weeks. The problem then would have been Amy finding out Casey stole from her, the cops would have gone to HopeSpring to look for Casey. She had to get out of town, California was perfect, and she could avoid G & C easily, get a new cell phone etc.

Yep, if Casey had grabbed the USPS notice that car would have been sold. I believe someone posted the tow yard would only have to hold her car for 35 days before the tow yard could sell it. I wonder if Casey was counting the days. :sneaky:

Re: Amy's checks... In a backwards sort of way and Casey's way of thinking...... If Casey wrote 2 stolen checks on her grandmother's account, the bank reimbursed her grandmother's account and Casey was never charged, why wouldn't it work if Casey did the same thing to Amy's account? Heck banks are rich, they are insured, what is the big deal? :tonguewag:

jmo

[martha]

I have not been able to be on for two days now so has anything new happened? I can;t stay on long or I would go back and read everything. I wonder if the an;s or home now? I hope I have some time later to go back and read what all you good poster or posting here. I can;t get any news on this case but her and this is the only place I really trust. Jmho:wub:

[need2no]

Yep, if Casey had grabbed the USPS notice that car would have been sold. I believe someone posted the tow yard would only have to hold her car for 35 days before the tow yard could sell it. I wonder if Casey was counting the days. :sneaky:

Re: Amy's checks... In a backwards sort of way and Casey's way of thinking...... If Casey wrote 2 stolen checks on her grandmother's account, the bank reimbursed her grandmother's account and Casey was never charged, why wouldn't it work if Casey did the same thing to Amy's account? Heck banks are rich, they are insured, what is the big deal? :tonguewag:

jmo


I thought the bank did reimburse Amy, and Baez was paying the bank back.

[enigma™]

I thought the bank did reimburse Amy, and Baez was paying the bank back.

Yes, with his free money order from Amscot, or so I heard. :tonguewag:

[desmom]

I thought the bank did reimburse Amy, and Baez was paying the bank back.

Hey N2N! :seeya:

Yes the bank reimbursed Amy.

Hmmm, maybe I didn't word it well. Casey stole and wrote checks from her grandmother on 2 separate occasions. On both occasions, the bank reimbursed Casey's grandmother and the bank never pressed charges against Casey.

So, in Casey's little brain she counted on the same thing happening when she stole and wrote checks on Amy's account...the bank would reimburse Amy and Casey would not be charged.

jmo

[desmom]

I have not been able to be on for two days now so has anything new happened? I can;t stay on long or I would go back and read everything. I wonder if the an;s or home now? I hope I have some time later to go back and read what all you good poster or posting here. I can;t get any news on this case but her and this is the only place I really trust. Jmho:wub:

The only big thing that has happened over the last two days is the State filed a new motion requesting the defense to back up claim she didn’t place Caylee in woods.

The links, motion and a video clip of Todd Macaluso making this claim during the last motion hearing is in post #1 on this thread or you can click here: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13462501#post13462501

jmo

[Pretty Leaf]

Just want to say your Canadian friends remember as well. Are hearts and best wishes go out to our American friends.

Yes we remember well, we lost Canadians in the terror attacks as well.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Dr. G Reflects On Caylee Autopsy
(includes video)

At a luncheon on Thursday, Garavaglia talked to WESH 2 News about the rarity of finding a homicide victim without an official cause of death.

"Maybe not every year, but clearly every other year you get one or two," Garavaglia said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20850570/detail.html

[need2no]

Hey N2N! :seeya:

Yes the bank reimbursed Amy.

Hmmm, maybe I didn't word it well. Casey stole and wrote checks from her grandmother on 2 separate occasions. On both occasions, the bank reimbursed Casey's grandmother and the bank never pressed charges against Casey.

So, in Casey's little brain she counted on the same thing happening when she stole and wrote checks on Amy's account...the bank would reimburse Amy and Casey would not be charged.

jmo

Hey Des :seeya:

:blushing: Not your wording... I just misunderstood your post. Yes, I could see where casey would think/assume this, AND have the gaul to expect Amy not to be upset since she got her money back.

[Lavinia]

Thanks to all for your opinions on the chloroform. I'm remain quite dubious about Casey having chloroform but I'm still cogitating on it.

[djmsmom]

good afternoon everyone, I just got home from work and have to leave again to take my daughter to the mall. Could someone just let me know if anything happened today. Sorry don't have time to read all the posts. :blushing:

[KittyMom]

I have to say I'm pretty impressed. Someone managed to muzzle Cindy but good. A few months ago, she'd have been spewing uncontrollably. lol

[breezie]

good afternoon everyone, I just got home from work and have to leave again to take my daughter to the mall. Could someone just let me know if anything happened today. Sorry don't have time to read all the posts. :blushing:

not today. We are waiting for Lyon's jaw to come off the floor from the latest SDA motion to compel discovery from Toddo.

[Imperfect4]

Dr. G Reflects On Caylee Autopsy
http://www.wesh.com/news/20850570/detail.html
(video link on right - She does not reveal any bombshell info in the interview.)

I'm a big fan. She's different in interviews/pressers than she is on the show, where she's in her element -- she seems almost shy outside her work environment. I like the lady. :thumbup:

[djmsmom]

not today. We are waiting for Lyon's jaw to come off the floor from the latest SDA motion to compel discovery from Toddo.

Finally the pros. is calling them on their lies. So strange to listen to JB spout how Casey is innocent and they have proof that the body was put there by someone else with nothing to prove it. Any with all this proof they delay the trail for at least another year. :thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

I have to say I'm pretty impressed. Someone managed to muzzle Cindy but good. A few months ago, she'd have been spewing uncontrollably. lol

I suspect the state's demand for the defense's "evidence" yesterday was muzzle enough. :thumbsup:

Plus, I think even Cindy has by now sorted out the fact she isn't believed and she isn't liked and she's doing her bad seed more harm than good when she opens her mouth in public. I only expect to see her from now until trial time under duress, or if there's $$ involved in her appearance.

[kakax]

Yes we remember well, we lost Canadians in the terror attacks as well.

Many countries were affected by this evil...prayers for everyone!

[Imperfect4]

not today. We are waiting for Lyon's jaw to come off the floor from the latest SDA motion to compel discovery from Toddo.

And the only thing ToddyMac will discover is yes, the state is serious and yes, he's in violation of reciprocal discovery laws, and yes, Lyon has a temper and yes, he's up da creek without his paddle. :laugh:

[KittyMom]

I just have to wonder if Mitnik and the SA chatted this week about how they would each approach their cases. Let's be honest, anything that Mitnik found during his depos the pros can use in the criminal trial. It would make sense that they work together.

[Imperfect4]

Finally the pros. is calling them on their lies. So strange to listen to JB spout how Casey is innocent and they have proof that the body was put there by someone else with nothing to prove it. Any with all this proof they delay the trail for at least another year. :thumbsup:

Baez was smart enough (or not) not to make his "innocent" statement in the courtroom, nor did Lyon, nor Linda K-B nor any members of the dream team other than Toooodddd.

I'd say given his CA Bar problems and this latest, Macaluso is much more a liability than a benefit to the defense team. lolololol

[Cury-us Coyote]

For 3 Florida families, 9/11 is a day to remember vanished children

Cindy and George Anthony were also at this morning's walk. The Anthony's daughter is currently in jail, accused of killing her daughter, and their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

George Anthony said he attended the event to show his support for other families who've lost loved ones.

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/11/111419/clearwater-boy-was-reported-missing-9-years-ago-to/

[summer]

For 3 Florida families, 9/11 is a day to remember vanished children

Cindy and George Anthony were also at this morning's walk. The Anthony's daughter is currently in jail, accused of killing her daughter, and their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

George Anthony said he attended the event to show his support for other families who've lost loved ones.

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/11/111419/clearwater-boy-was-reported-missing-9-years-ago-to/

fgs, singing the same old stale song George, aren't you? Nobody wants you George, nobody, not to mention the rest of your family. I'm convinced the only way to shut them up is for the people at these events to get in their faces and tell them to take a hike. The A's blemish every event they attend. It's up to the attendees to confront this horrible family and tell them they're not needed. It would be nice if the reporters got a clue and pointed out the hypocrisy but I guess that's too much to ask.

[summer]

At the very least the writer could've pointed out the obvious: The Anthony's refused to take lie detecter tests and have requested immunity from prosecution. Is that too much to ask? Why do they have to act so dumb?

[frances1]

For 3 Florida families, 9/11 is a day to remember vanished children

Cindy and George Anthony were also at this morning's walk. The Anthony's daughter is currently in jail, accused of killing her daughter, and their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

George Anthony said he attended the event to show his support for other families who've lost loved ones.

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/11/111419/clearwater-boy-was-reported-missing-9-years-ago-to/

Oh, George, FGS, just go home and sit down.

[Imperfect4]

For 3 Florida families, 9/11 is a day to remember vanished children

Cindy and George Anthony were also at this morning's walk. The Anthony's daughter is currently in jail, accused of killing her daughter, and their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

George Anthony said he attended the event to show his support for other families who've lost loved ones.

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/11/111419/clearwater-boy-was-reported-missing-9-years-ago-to/

Cindy and George Anthony did everything in their power to try to keep Caylee's murder and the location of her remains secret.

It is a complete insult, imo, that they joined this walk, and on this specific date, fgs. They aren't looking to comfort a soul. They're looking to appear sympathetic and be welcomed by groups that likely don't want anything to do with them.

:angry:

[martha]

The only big thing that has happened over the last two days is the State filed a new motion requesting the defense to back up claim she didn’t place Caylee in woods.

The links, motion and a video clip of Todd Macaluso making this claim during the last motion hearing is in post #1 on this thread or you can click here: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13462501#post13462501

jmo
Thank you so much desmom, I don;t think they have any profe of that.Weeds growing up thru what was left of CAYLEE I think will disprove that. I think she had been there a long time.jmho:wub:

[frances1]

Oh good grief...be there to help them???

Do you know how many families have been in need this they started this bogus foundation and they have yet to help anyone...have they had the boat out for anything but fishing as yet???...have they helped any family look for one child???...did they ever look for their own grandchild???

How can you say that, Rapunzel? What about the teddy bears? (sarcasm).

[Imperfect4]

fgs, singing the same old stale song George, aren't you? Nobody wants you George, nobody, not to mention the rest of your family. I'm convinced the only way to shut them up is for the people at these events to get in their faces and tell them to take a hike. The A's blemish every event they attend. It's up to the attendees to confront this horrible family and tell them they're not needed. It would be nice if the reporters got a clue and pointed out the hypocrisy but I guess that's too much to ask.

ITA. But I'm sure these poor families didn't have the stomach for confronting the vile Anthonys, especially today of all days.

I think every organization in the state of Florida (and beyond, if necessary) who runs even a remote chance of drawing these two flies to their events should send them an official letter requesting they STAY AWAY.

ETA: Re the media -- I also agree. But Kathi Belich can't be everywhere!

[summer]

ITA. But I'm sure these poor families didn't have the stomach for confronting the vile Anthonys, especially today of all days.

I think every organization in the state of Florida (and beyond, if necessary) who runs even a remote chance of drawing these two flies to their events should send them an official letter requesting they STAY AWAY.

I thought about that as I was writing too, Impf. And I'm sure the A's count on that. That's one of the reasons they're so vile - they prey on people's misery.

[Imperfect4]

I thought about that as I was writing too, Impf. And I'm sure the A's count on that. That's one of the reasons they're so vile - they prey on people's misery.

I'd like to know how often G&C show up at events withOUT media coverage. Betcha they're as rare as diamonds if no cameras or reporters are around.

Disgraceful.

[summer]

Oh and Impf, ITA about a formal announcement before an event warning the A's to stay away. The organizers owe that to the families of the missing. The A's are pariahs.

[Imperfect4]

Oh and Impf, ITA about a formal announcement before an event warning the A's to stay away. The organizers owe that to the families of the missing. The A's are pariahs.

If I were a family member of a missing or murdered child, I would be sooo upset to have an event I attended tainted by an appearance by the Anthonys.

I have to believe their presence at these things is just flat upsetting to people who don't need any more upset in their lives.

[bchand]

Oh, George, FGS, just go home and sit down.

I read that relatives of Haleigh Cummings as well as Josh Duckett were there also but we only hear the quote from George, father of the murderer. He doesn't belong in that group !!

[summer]

If I were a family member of a missing or murdered child, I would be sooo upset to have an event I attended tainted by an appearance by the Anthonys.

I have to believe their presence at these things is just flat upsetting to people who don't need any more upset in their lives.

Upsetting and counter-productive. A total turn-off to anyone who might be feeling sympathy. The A's turn every good thing into something unsavory. I find it very hard to believe the local media doesn't have a clue. Even the most cub reporter has to have heard some buzz. Cowardly reporting, plain and simple. Or do a little digging if you don't know anything, fgs.

Ack. Blood pressure rising and you know what that means... :seeya:

[really3997]

Upsetting and counter-productive. A total turn-off to anyone who might be feeling sympathy. The A's turn every good thing into something unsavory. I find it very hard to believe the local media doesn't have a clue. Even the most cub reporter has to have heard some buzz. Cowardly reporting, plain and simple. Or do a little digging if you don't know anything, fgs.

Ack. Blood pressure rising and you know what that means... :seeya:

I did notice they were not describing Caylee as missing and went right to daughter in jail for her murder...JMO

[Imperfect4]

Upsetting and counter-productive. A total turn-off to anyone who might be feeling sympathy. The A's turn every good thing into something unsavory. I find it very hard to believe the local media doesn't have a clue. Even the most cub reporter has to have heard some buzz. Cowardly reporting, plain and simple. Or do a little digging if you don't know anything, fgs.

Ack. Blood pressure rising and you know what that means... :seeya:

Ditto. Time for a shower. And a sledgehammer. :cursing:

[summer]

I did notice they were not describing Caylee as missing and went right to daughter in jail for her murder...JMO

Agreed, but using that quote from George without any kind of caveat is bad reporting by omission. IMO.

OK, now I'm really :seeya: for reals! Have a good day, ya'll.

[martha]

Upsetting and counter-productive. A total turn-off to anyone who might be feeling sympathy. The A's turn every good thing into something unsavory. I find it very hard to believe the local media doesn't have a clue. Even the most cub reporter has to have heard some buzz. Cowardly reporting, plain and simple. Or do a little digging if you don't know anything, fgs.

Ack. Blood pressure rising and you know what that means... :seeya:
ITA with you on this. I would not want the an;s at anything I had. They have not helped anyone as far as i know. Why do they have to stick their nose in everyone bus.and try to get people to feel sorry for them. The only one that lost in this case is CAYLEE. I am so glad God is taking care of her now tho. She sure is in a better place. I still want justice for her even tho I know she is better of she did not deserve to be killed by her mother and a evil mother at that.jmho

[Cury-us Coyote]

I did notice they were not describing Caylee as missing and went right to daughter in jail for her murder...JMO

Photos from the walk (if it is not too close to lunchtime)
http://www2.tbo.com/photoalbum/2009/sep/11/missing-children/

[really3997]

Photos from the walk (if it is not too close to lunchtime)
http://www2.tbo.com/photoalbum/2009/sep/11/missing-children/

Ok where did they walk from the car to the picnic table...I counted a whopping 16 people.. big turnout

[Dells]

Cindy and George Anthony did everything in their power to try to keep Caylee's murder and the location of her remains secret.

It is a complete insult, imo, that they joined this walk, and on this specific date, fgs. They aren't looking to comfort a soul. They're looking to appear sympathetic and be welcomed by groups that likely don't want anything to do with them.

:angry:

I so agree w/you. I also think they are trying to appeal to the court of public opinion by claiming that Caylee was a missing child, taken and murdered by someone, but definitely not murdered by her mother.:sneaky: The sad reality is that Caylee was never missing, she was murdered by her mother and then thrown away like trash at the end of the street where the Anthony's live. Casey knew where she was the entire time and for once in her pitiful life she could have done the right thing and owned up to what she did and ended this whole farce of a situation.

If I was one of the those families truly grieving a missing child, it would greatly upset me to see the Anthony's at one of these events, because like you said they are doing everything in their power to make sure that Caylee's murderer goes free. What an insult to these poor families.

On another note, I also think the Anthony's should not be involved in any type of work like this at this time. They need to conclude their own situation and get through Casey's check fraud trial, murder trial, and civil trial. And any possible criminal charges that they may face as well, once Casey's trials have all been taken care of. Don't the Anthony's already have enough of their plate already? Why do they have to inject themselves on these poor families who already have enough pain and heartache to deal with. And this is not the right cause for them. If they want to support a cause, then it should be for parents that have children that murder their own children. Even once Casey is convicted, they will still be spouting her innocence and how she was wrongly convicted. LE jumped to conclusions and tainted the evidence to point towards Casey and the state viciously prosecuted her because everyone was out to get Casey (Public Enemy #1) and JB (Public Enemy #2).

Man, it just rubs me the wrong way when the Anthony's show up at events like these. Are they expecting us to think that Casey is innocent just because they are still touting the company line that Caylee was missing and kidnapped by an invisible nanny, or ex fiance, or boyfriend, or friend, or any of the number of people that had access to the trunk of her car. Riiiight! Do they think they actually help Casey and her defense when they do things like this? They totally disrespect Caylee's memory on every level by supporting, covering up, and lying for her murderer. Then w/their holier than thou attitudes they show up to things like this and think they can actually help people. They are delusional and they infuriate me to no end.

[really3997]

I so agree w/you. I also think they are trying to appeal to the court of public opinion by claiming that Caylee was a missing child, taken and murdered by someone, but definitely not murdered by her mother.:sneaky: The sad reality is that Caylee was never missing, she was murdered by her mother and then thrown away like trash at the end of the street where the Anthony's live. Casey knew where she was the entire time and for once in her pitiful life she could have done the right thing and owned up to what she did and ended this whole farce of a situation.

If I was one of the those families truly grieving a missing child, it would greatly upset me to see the Anthony's at one of these events, because like you said they are doing everything in their power to make sure that Caylee's murderer goes free. What an insult to these poor families.

On another note, I also think the Anthony's should not be involved in any type of work like this at this time. They need to conclude their own situation and get through Casey's check fraud trial, murder trial, and civil trial. And any possible criminal charges that they may face as well, once Casey's trials have all been taken care of. Don't the Anthony's already have enough of their plate already? Why do they have to inject themselves on these poor families who already have enough pain and heartache to deal with. And this is not the right cause for them. If they want to support a cause, then it should be for parents that have children that murder their own children. Even once Casey is convicted, they will still be spouting her innocence and how she was wrongly convicted. LE jumped to conclusions and tainted the evidence to point towards Casey and the state viciously prosecuted her because everyone was out to get Casey (Public Enemy #1) and JB (Public Enemy #2).

Man, it just rubs me the wrong way when the Anthony's show up at events like these. Are they expecting us to think that Casey is innocent just because they are still touting the company line that Caylee was missing and kidnapped by an invisible nanny, or ex fiance, or boyfriend, or friend, or any of the number of people that had access to the trunk of her car. Riiiight! Do they think they actually help Casey and her defense when they do things like this? They totally disrespect Caylee's memory on every level by supporting, covering up, and lying for her murderer. Then w/their holier than thou attitudes they show up to things like this and think they can actually help people. They are delusional and they infuriate me to no end.

Thats not an event thats lunch

[kakax]

Makes me sick when I think of what those other families might be thinking when G or C open their mouths to try and "comfort" them.

Ughhhh.

I feel like such a mean person. Makes me mad that I can't muster sympathy for them, I just can't. I think they knew way too much.

In a fragile state with a child missing, I might end up being hauled in for battery if they tried to "comfort" me.:thumbdown:

[Dells]

Thank you so much desmom, I don;t think they have any profe of that.Weeds growing up thru what was left of CAYLEE I think will disprove that. I think she had been there a long time.jmho:wub:

I think the state will also be able to prove that Caylee was murdered before Casey was in jail, so the argument that the defense has about the body being placed there after Casey was already in jail is really a moot point in my book. They have decomposition, grave wax, coffin flies, and the hair w/the death band on it from the trunk of Casey's car that was present there before Casey was arrested. How is the defense going to explain that away? They will not be able to say it was just junk science. Too many things point to the same thing, that Caylee dead body was in the trunk of her mother's car.

[jaxback]

Just when you wonder if the Anthonys have finally run out of ammunition in their "let me look like a sleazy idiot" arsenal, they reach deep down and find more. I'm actually kind of surprised that no other victim's family has just exploded at them at one of these events and told them to p*** off.

I'll give credit - in a backwards kind of way - to ol' George for part of one thing he spewed today:

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

You know what, George? You are right. There are a whole lot of people who know that "this" will never happen to them simply because they didn't tenderly nurture little sociopathic liars to become great big adult psychotic murderers of their own children! Not that I think George had any intention of his words taking on that meaning, but it's fun to hunt for nuggets of unintentional truth in the Anthony garbage pile of lies.:sneaky:

[newsjunkie]

I notice the car with all the pics of missing children. Caylee's pic is there. What the heck? She still missing? <tongue in cheek>

[Bala]

If the A's truly cared about these missing children they realise that they're being there is a distraction from the missing children and the focus of the walk. But of course the A's ego's won't allow them to see passed their own needs to those of the missing children and their families. Instead of focusing on the children the media focuses on the A's and Casey's murder trial. How does that help these missing children in anyway?

[Cury-us Coyote]

I notice the car with all the pics of missing children. Caylee's pic is there. What the heck? She still missing? <tongue in cheek>

I wondered if there's any pipes in there?
http://www.wftv.com/news/16984591/detail.html

[Dells]

Photos from the walk (if it is not too close to lunchtime)
http://www2.tbo.com/photoalbum/2009/sep/11/missing-children/

Thanks for the link.:seeya: In one of the pictures it looks like Ronald Cummings is there. I bet he was not too pleased to see George and Cindy there.

ETA: Oops. I don't think that was Ronald Cummings now that I looked at the picture again. The picture is too small for me to really tell. Sorry if I misspoke...

[desmom]

For 3 Florida families, 9/11 is a day to remember vanished children

Cindy and George Anthony were also at this morning's walk. The Anthony's daughter is currently in jail, accused of killing her daughter, and their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

George Anthony said he attended the event to show his support for other families who've lost loved ones.

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/11/111419/clearwater-boy-was-reported-missing-9-years-ago-to/



This will probably go against the grain of popular opinion of this board, but I am going to say it anyway.

There are a lot of things George and Cindy did and said that made my jaw drop and still has me confused. I really wished they had learn the simple little phrase of "No Comment" because I believe it is George and Cindy that has turned this entire case into a media circus.

With that being said, their granddaughter was murdered and the event was was billed as the first "Walk for Missing and Murdered Children". Even if one did not have a missing or murdered child, I am sure they would have been welcome to walk during the event. If George and Cindy want to go to these events, so be it.


jmo

[Neffy]

For 3 Florida families, 9/11 is a day to remember vanished children

Cindy and George Anthony were also at this morning's walk. The Anthony's daughter is currently in jail, accused of killing her daughter, and their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

George Anthony said he attended the event to show his support for other families who've lost loved ones.

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/11/111419/clearwater-boy-was-reported-missing-9-years-ago-to/



9/11 is NOT in rememberance of missing children FGS! The worst terrorist attack on the US and they thought they'd use it to what?

The Anthony's couldn't further their own agenda if they actually thought about these other people who were killed. They're going to hang on to the "missing" "Kidnapped" angle.

[Kathlb]

Cindy and George Anthony did everything in their power to try to keep Caylee's murder and the location of her remains secret.

It is a complete insult, imo, that they joined this walk, and on this specific date, fgs. They aren't looking to comfort a soul. They're looking to appear sympathetic and be welcomed by groups that likely don't want anything to do with them.

:angry:

I agree totally! I can hardly understand a couple that seeks to cover for their granddaughter's alleged killer and am shocked that they continue to show up for these functions and spout how they are there to help. Why not help their dead granddaughter??? They need to be booed at every event they attend for the lack of love and caring they show for Caylee. MOO

[martha]

I get so up set when I see g and c at the missing children things because CAYLEE was never missing. casey knew where she was all the time just to mean and evil to tell anyone. she may have told lee cindy and george but not someone who could go get her before she rotted away in thos woods. For that 31 days how in the world did casey lay down and go to sleep knowing where her baby was? casey has no heart and I don;t think any of the an;s have a heart.jmho

[desmom]

Thank you so much desmom, I don;t think they have any profe of that.Weeds growing up thru what was left of CAYLEE I think will disprove that. I think she had been there a long time.jmho:wub:

I agree Martha. The defense can twist and turn it anyway the want, but the evidence in the documents say otherwise...imo.

[Kathlb]

How can you say that, Rapunzel? What about the teddy bears? (sarcasm).

I personally know of two searches in the Orlando area recently and they never lifted a finger to help search. Not with or without the "new fishing boat". It truly is just for show, all of it. JMHO

[kakax]

slideshow http://www2.tbo.com/photoalbum/2009/sep/11/missing-children/6/

This will probably go against the grain of popular opinion of this board, but I am going to say it anyway.

There are a lot of things George and Cindy did and said that made my jaw drop and still has me confused. I really wished they had learn the simple little phrase of "No Comment" because I believe it is George and Cindy that has turned this entire case into a media circus.

With that being said, their granddaughter was murdered and the event was was billed as the first "Walk for Missing and Murdered Children". Even if one did not have a missing or murdered child, I am sure they would have been welcome to walk during the event. If George and Cindy want to go to these events, so be it.


jmo



You make a good point. I don't want to be wrong, but I must say you are probably right about this.

Waaa. I love to hate them and what they do.

[martha]

The way I see it if CAYLEE was truley missing then casey,cindy,george,and lee would have been out looking for her. No they did not look. If my baby was missing I would be out day and night looking for her. No way could I stay at home and sit in my house and eat and cook and get all dressed up for the media. something wrong with that picture.jmho why were they all not on tv begging for someone to bring her home. they never did that because they knew casey had done something to her.jmho

[Kathlb]

If the A's truly cared about these missing children they realise that they're being there is a distraction from the missing children and the focus of the walk. But of course the A's ego's won't allow them to see passed their own needs to those of the missing children and their families. Instead of focusing on the children the media focuses on the A's and Casey's murder trial. How does that help these missing children in anyway?

So far the only thing that Ron Cummings has done that I applauded was to tell them to stay home and not come there. They should get that wherever they go.

[bchand]

I wondered if there's any pipes in there?
http://www.wftv.com/news/16984591/detail.html

Now now, he was just holding the pipes for a friend ya know.

[martha]

well he is not helping him self by getting caugh with drugs. It seems like every time something happens to a child drugs or in it too.jmho

[bchand]

9/11 is NOT in rememberance of missing children FGS! The worst terrorist attack on the US and they thought they'd use it to what?

The Anthony's couldn't further their own agenda if they actually thought about these other people who were killed. They're going to hang on to the "missing" "Kidnapped" angle.

Hey Neffy ! Where have you been?

3 of the families do have a very good reason for remembering today because their children went missing on this date - 9/11.

The Anthonys don't fit there because they won't admit WHEN Caylee was murdered. I think they know, they just won't admit it.

[Cury-us Coyote]

This will probably go against the grain of popular opinion of this board, but I am going to say it anyway.

There are a lot of things George and Cindy did and said that made my jaw drop and still has me confused. I really wished they had learn the simple little phrase of "No Comment" because I believe it is George and Cindy that has turned this entire case into a media circus.

With that being said, their granddaughter was murdered and the event was was billed as the first "Walk for Missing and Murdered Children". Even if one did not have a missing or murdered child, I am sure they would have been welcome to walk during the event. If George and Cindy want to go to these events, so be it.


jmo

Do you remember the phrase Lee used during a jail visit describing to Casey what he learned from J Duckett in dealling with LE?

[kakax]

Hello Everyone

Did i miss anything today? TIA


Not much.

G & C were photographed and made a statement at a missing and murdered children's walk.

[AnniePie]

For 3 Florida families, 9/11 is a day to remember vanished children

Cindy and George Anthony were also at this morning's walk. The Anthony's daughter is currently in jail, accused of killing her daughter, and their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

George Anthony said he attended the event to show his support for other families who've lost loved ones.

"There's some individuals out there that they think, 'this will never happen to me. I don't have to worry about it,'" Anthony said. "But when it does, we're going to be there to help them."

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/11/111419/clearwater-boy-was-reported-missing-9-years-ago-to/

Oh yeah, George? A what might your helpful little plans entail?

Counselling as to how to teach people to lie? How to profit off a "missing" loved one? How to get your face in the media every chance you get? How to start a non-profit to purchase boats and other fun things to cover up your "grief"?

Yeah, George, I don't think anyone, let alone families of missing people wish to learn anything from you. Except perhaps the TRUTH.

[msgatorslayer]

The Anthony's will be visiting the capitol, come Monday. IMO

'We would like to take the opportunity to invite all Floridians to join us this September 14, for Florida Missing Children’s Day Ceremony 2009'

http://www.fmcdf.org/

[Jeepers]

Oh good grief...be there to help them???

Do you know how many families have been in need this they started this bogus foundation and they have yet to help anyone...have they had the boat out for anything but fishing as yet???...have they helped any family look for one child???...did they ever look for their own grandchild???

Thank you very much. I wish that little boat would sink!
The only way the A's could help anyone with a missing child is to stay far far away from them.

[kakax]

The Anthony's will be visiting the capitol, come Monday. IMO

'We would like to take the opportunity to invite all Floridians to join us this September 14, for Florida Missing Children’s Day Ceremony 2009'

http://www.fmcdf.org/





From your link....

The objective of this day is to raise awareness of Florida’s currently missing children, to educate the public on child safety and abduction prevention, and to recognize those individuals and law enforcement officers who have made outstanding contributions in the missing children issue

[bchand]

The Anthony's will be visiting the capitol, come Monday. IMO

'We would like to take the opportunity to invite all Floridians to join us this September 14, for Florida Missing Children’s Day Ceremony 2009'

http://www.fmcdf.org/

I didn't see KidFinders mentioned at least. Maybe they won't be there. (The Anthonys)

[desmom]

Do you remember the phrase Lee used during a jail visit describing to Casey what he learned from J Duckett in dealling with LE?

I don't remember...that was so long ago...what did he say? TIA

[AnniePie]

This will probably go against the grain of popular opinion of this board, but I am going to say it anyway.

There are a lot of things George and Cindy did and said that made my jaw drop and still has me confused. I really wished they had learn the simple little phrase of "No Comment" because I believe it is George and Cindy that has turned this entire case into a media circus.

With that being said, their granddaughter was murdered and the event was was billed as the first "Walk for Missing and Murdered Children". Even if one did not have a missing or murdered child, I am sure they would have been welcome to walk during the event. If George and Cindy want to go to these events, so be it.


jmo

I agree, Des, that they're entitled to go an event like this. But for them to say that they want to "help" others in the same boat is ludicrous. They are despicable human beings who couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it. They don't want to help anyone; they just want to get their faces out there so people can feel sorry for them.

If I had a missing or murdered child, I would want to be in the company of kindred souls. But I would not want to see Cindy and George. Anywhere.

[msgatorslayer]

I didn't see KidFinders mentioned at least. Maybe they won't be there. (The Anthonys)

And miss the cameras?

This is like a media blitz for them. Tampa on Friday, Tallahasse on Mondy. Heck, if they leave right now, they can peddle their Caylee bears along the way over the weekend.

[summer]

I agree, Des, that they're entitled to go an event like this. But for them to say that they want to "help" others in the same boat is ludicrous. They are despicable human beings who couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it. They don't want to help anyone; they just want to get their faces out there so people can feel sorry for them.

If I had a missing or murdered child, I would want to be in the company of kindred souls. But I would not want to see Cindy and George. Anywhere.

ITA AnniePie. They are entitled to be there as part of the group. But they take it a step too far in claiming some sort of leadership. That is obnoxious and shameful. How about just going to an event and blending in as ONE. They're going to help others... do what exactly?

Of all people to be leaders and guiders... omg... hubris on the level of Greek tragedy...

[msgatorslayer]

In all fairness, this event has been going on for many years. And many families of missing and murdered children have been showing up, long before the Anthony's.

It's the Anthony's and the way they have handled themselves and the death of Caylee that leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths.

They still want the world to think that Caylee was MISSING. Taken by a nanny, or an ex boyfriend, or someone, who caused her a 'terminal event' which led to her body being dumped down the road from their house along with their own Daughter being charged for the murder.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I don't remember...that was so long ago...what did he say? TIA

<Oh whine> I was hoping you'd remember so I didn't need to listen again.

[bchand]

In all fairness, this event has been going on for many years. And many families of missing and murdered children have been showing up, long before the Anthony's.

It's the Anthony's and the way they have handled themselves and the death of Caylee that leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths.

They still want the world to think that Caylee was MISSING. Taken by a nanny, or an ex boyfriend, or someone, who caused her a 'terminal event' which led to her body being dumped down the road from their house along with their own Daughter being charged for the murder.

I agree. When the Anthonys show up, they take the legitimacy out of an event IMO.

[kakax]

<Oh whine> I was hoping you'd remember so I didn't need to listen again.

Make you a deal...you get the link...I'll listen. I don't have anything better to do. Hubby is at school and both kids are at friends.

[desmom]

<Oh whine> I was hoping you'd remember so I didn't need to listen again.

You don't have to listen. You can give me the paraphrase version. Maybe it will trigger something in my brain. :tonguewag:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Make you a deal...you get the link...I'll listen. I don't have anything better to do. Hubby is at school and both kids are at friends.

Listening to Part 1 of 3 - there is second two part.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18212491/index.html

[bchand]

<Oh whine> I was hoping you'd remember so I didn't need to listen again.

Summary from a blog so take it for what it's worth -

Lee says he’s been talking to Josh Duckett on almost a daily basis– tries to one up his mom bc Casey said yea I know I heard he reached out to mom– anyway Lee says he’s learned from Josh how to manipulate the media, law enforcement and the attorneys the way that we need to do this–his sole purpose is finding Caylee–he says that finding Caylee is the priority and all the rest will fall into place…to which Casey nods vigorously in agreement. I’m sure Josh would be thrilled to hear his help interpreted in this way.

http://citizenkim.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/summary-of-lee-anthonys-jailhouse-visit-july-25-casey-type-clues-awkward-giggles-and-much-bs/


At least it leads us to the date of the jail visit - 7/25.

[Pruddennce]

Good Morning Jeepers, Margaritaville, Sun and all that follow!

1. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
On 7/16 at 0411 hours, Casey told LE the apartment number at Sawgrass is 210, page 72. Apartment 210 was under construction and had been vacant since February 25, 2008 when the previous tenants were evicted, page 59.

2. Casey did not mention she dropped Caylee off at the steps until after LE told her they had video surveillance tape from a nearby complex and apartment #210 was vacant. page 118 at above link

3. Jesse had a key to her car. How does that explain the videos of Casey and Tone at Blockbuster the evening of June 16 without Caylee, the shopping trips on Amy's checking account, the tat, manicure, Casey's stories to her friends Caylee was with the nanny?

Tone took her to the A's on 6/23 to get the gas cans out of the shed. After she put the gas in her car, she put the cans in the trunk of her car. page 55 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

4. LE poked holes in her original story, so now we move to JBP. From what I have read about JBP, it appears to be a pretty popular place. Why didn't she fight back or scream for help?

5. Tone drove her car...when? Did LE find Tone's fingerprints anywhere on the driver's side of the car?

6. Other people had access to Casey's car...who? when? Why didn't she blame them for the smell in her car? Did LE find any fingerprints or evidence besides Casey's and George's on the driver's side of the car?

jmo
at one point, she blamed her FATHER for hitting an animal 'when he borrowed her car', per Amy, which caused the smell.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[kakax]

Listening to Part 1 of 3 - there is second two part.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18212491/index.html



K I've got part two.