Thursday, September 10th Discussion [Archive]

willow

09-10-2009, 08:24 AM

Good Morning everyone!

I seen your little laugh grammie/VA about my silly question about acting normal on drugs..lol. I had to laugh at myself, but I am still trying to figure that out ( well by reading ..lol). I did not get a chance to reply to everyone but I did read the post and they did help. Although, I realized I knew nothing about drugs...lol.

I do have a reason for asking the above and I have some reading to do and then if it fits I was going to post my question.

I need more coffee before I post too much I am still half asleep and it shows in my post.

I hope and pray this it the day Haleigh is found!

sickntired

09-10-2009, 08:32 AM

Haleigh come home! :rose:

*Pia

09-10-2009, 08:37 AM

For Haleigh and her family...:rose:

Mel

09-10-2009, 08:53 AM

at AH's site, the video is working this morning...i could never get it to open last night...it's part of the interview with Santos...it's shown under the title of "haleigh's last day"...or "last day Haleigh was seen" (along that line)

per Santos, the morning of February 9th, when RC was speeding, (ran a stop sign) past the bus stop, he was in the purple car....i know some have wondered about this purple car....i had seen it in the driveway, from pics posted, so now it's safe to assume it was a working vehicle that RC used....

panman

09-10-2009, 09:12 AM

Willow, please get more coffee so you can help me understand what drugs you are talking about. TIA

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 09:21 AM

panache

09-10-2009, 09:34 AM

Mel

09-10-2009, 09:36 AM

I am listening to it now, interesting-

yes, i agree, & i know there's more to that inteview...the part about him asking RC why he was in such a hurry that morning, etc.....Santos has no reason to lie about any of this, IMO....he even mentions another neighbor's name, that was also at the bus stop that morning....

?noanswer

09-10-2009, 09:40 AM

Mel

09-10-2009, 09:43 AM

Maybe this has been posted, but its a new one for me. A glimpse of Tommy and his wife plus their brief comments.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33241@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

i hadn't seen that before...thanks!

just from looking at their faces, while talking, i don't think they're involved....they truly look puzzled as to why Misty would say all the things she's said...like, they really don't have a clue as to why Misty's lying about Tommy....:cursing: Misty will get what's coming to her though...IMO, she's covering for her husband, & him for her...they'll go down together, before it's all over with, & there will finally be justice for Haleigh..

got to run, but will check in later tonight..

Themis

09-10-2009, 09:46 AM

Listening to the Santos interview, a coupla things stood out. Santos said he did a Haleigh tatoo for Ron about 4 yrs ago which meant Haleigh was somewhere around 1 yo +-. He also said something about Ron reminded him that he did his wife's tatoo as well as parents, Gparents. AFAIK Ron did not have a wife at that time. JMO
Could have been Crystal. Could have been another female Ron was with at the time.<shrug>
I think we have all seen 'relationships' among these people can be very fluid and so can be the words they use to describe them. Actually fluency with the language is often lacking.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 10:03 AM

I read that there is court today about the above matter, is that true?

I think the court today - IF there is court today - has to do with the charges of assault in the fight with Tommy.

JMO

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 10:11 AM

I think the court today - IF there is court today - has to do with the charges of assault in the fight with Tommy.

JMO

I thought it was Friday. I also thought it was about the fight charges, but did hear something about Tommy wanting to file charges, and thought was already done.

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 10:13 AM

I was reading this NG transcript from 9/8/09 and the word 'murder' just jumped off the page. I am surprised no one else commented on this. I thought we were looking for a missing child and this is the first time I have heard the 'M' word used this way. From the show opening:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE, HOST: ".... And major blow-out between Haleigh`s dad, Ronald Cummings, and Misty Croslin just before Haleigh disappears. It`s backed up by phone records. But is it motive for murder? And tonight: After new stepmom Misty Croslin fails the poly, family and friends push her to undergo hypnosis about the night Haleigh goes missing. Croslin refuses. ...."

My heart is so heavy, how on earth did we miss this? Little Robert fractured my heart and still working thru that and I wasn't even a family member.
Unless you're on these boards everyday one doesn't really understand why we do this. I'd like to think that we're just one big klan who can bicker with the best of them but that we also support and care for each other when any tragedy strikes.

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 10:15 AM

I read that there is court today about the above matter, is that true?

We could really use Lynn's help in setting up a link forum that includes the various LE links and Court House links so we can keep up with when and who is due to go before the judge.

KittyMom

09-10-2009, 10:20 AM

I'd like to see the link for Tim Miller reporting that he spoke with Ron about testing Misty's ability to lie.

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 10:20 AM

Didn't Misty just go to court yesterday to concrete her no contact charge against her brother?

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 10:23 AM

Didn't Misty just go to court yesterday to concrete her no contact charge against her brother?

Yes, she got it. Her brother told the judge he didn't care he was leaving the area and wanted nothing to do with her. His only downside is not being able to own a gun.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 10:25 AM

Didn't Misty just go to court yesterday to concrete her no contact charge against her brother?

Yes, and it was approved by the court.

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 10:26 AM

Yes, she got it. Her brother told the judge he didn't care he was leaving the area and wanted nothing to do with her. His only downside is not being able to own a gun.

Wasn't that yesterday which is the time around her family on the Cape spent over 14 hours with LE? Personally, I see Misty severing every single tie to her family, causing some deep wounds that may never be healed which is sad b/c one day they may be all she has.

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 10:29 AM

Don't see that happening. Miss Nancy might be good at spinning, but even she can't make Ron look good with this one.

Ms. Nancy is going to do her best to paint him as the grieving father and if that means jumping over issues about why he married the girl who has failed all those polygraphs or his opinion that LDT's don't mean anything, then by george so be it.

Just my Parental Opinion

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 10:30 AM

:seeya: Good morning fellow posters.

@1:50 in this video, the reporter says Friday court date for 'ratgate' but gives no time when the hearing will start

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33502@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Here is the UCN # for the case to put in the box at the link to check for updates and court times:

UCN: 542009CF001430XXAXMX

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

REMINDER: For those interested, blogtalkradio will have a discussion of the Haleigh case today (on the BNN link it says Noon Central and says 10:00 a.m. (no time zone indication) on the blogtalkradio site: :shrug:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/09/10/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

http://www.bloggernews.net/122179

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 10:39 AM

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 10:41 AM

Scampi

09-10-2009, 10:42 AM

Don't see that happening. Miss Nancy might be good at spinning, but even she can't make Ron look good with this one.

I am reminded of one of Nancy Grace's oft quoted lines:

"you can't put lipstick on a pig" It's one of her favorite statements to her unleashed defense attorneys, imo. One of mine too.

:smile:

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 10:43 AM

How will he hunt deer? Or is that the other brother and only that one hunts deer?

I don't know. I believe the "deer blood" was found in his van.

panache

09-10-2009, 10:43 AM

I think the court today - IF there is court today - has to do with the charges of assault in the fight with Tommy.

JMO

This is where I heard about court today. Its a the end of this video. The reporter mentions Tommy would be back in court Friday. So I guess I was wrong on the day.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33502@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

?noanswer

09-10-2009, 10:44 AM

I read that there is court today about the above matter, is that true?

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

There is no date listed as to when this will be in court. JMO

Themis

09-10-2009, 10:44 AM

Wasn't that yesterday which is the time around her family on the Cape spent over 14 hours with LE? Personally, I see Misty severing every single tie to her family, causing some deep wounds that may never be healed which is sad b/c one day they may be all she has.
Tommy (Hank, Jr.) Croslin stated to the court yesterday the permanent restraining order did not matter to him because he was moving to Massachusetts.

Lisa Croslin, Misty's mother, told reporter Matt Saffer after court yesterday that she and Hank, Sr. were moving, too. Her husband and son are without jobs.

So, it seems that Misty severing every single tie to her nuclear family is both emotional and will in the upcoming months be physical. [JMO * Themis]

sickntired

09-10-2009, 10:46 AM

Don't see that happening. Miss Nancy might be good at spinning, but even she can't make Ron look good with this one.

:lol: I can hear it now: NG: Ronald, isn't it true you did this to help find your daughter Haliegh? (long uncomfortable pause) RC: Yes Miss Nancy. NG: I understand, I would do the same thing if Little Lucy or John David were missing. :lol:

Please forgive me for being bad this morning....I need a laugh.

?noanswer

09-10-2009, 10:48 AM

I'd like to see the link for Tim Miller reporting that he spoke with Ron about testing Misty's ability to lie.

I don't think we can post a link to that site, but is is from an award winning reporter, IIRC. JMO

?noanswer

09-10-2009, 10:51 AM

Themis

09-10-2009, 10:57 AM

I'm not sure about severing ties in these families. Seems they enjoy the bickering. They probably will all be lovey dovey by this time next month. JMO
I agree with you, ?NoAnswer. Some of them might even enjoy elevating the bickering to civil courts. We've certainly seen enough of the history in links supplied by posters here.

Changing the subject, reporter Matt Saffer of Action News (ActionNewsJax) seems to be the one covering these court hearings. Here is the link to the News homepage:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/default.aspx

[JMO * Themis]

?noanswer

09-10-2009, 11:00 AM

I agree with you, ?NoAnswer. Some of them might even enjoy elevating the bickering to civil courts. We've certainly seen enough of the history in links supplied by posters here.

Changing the subject, reporter Matt Saffer of Action News (ActionNewsJax) seems to be the one covering these court hearings. Here is the link to the News homepage:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/default.aspx

[JMO * Themis]

It seems to me that Misty might be enjoying all the attention she is getting. She doesn't seem to be worried that she could be in a heap of trouble when this is resolved. JMO

Themis

09-10-2009, 11:07 AM

It seems to me that Misty might be enjoying all the attention she is getting. She doesn't seem to be worried that she could be in a heap of trouble when this is resolved. JMO
Being firmly committed not to use the usual cliché, I will just say, IMO, Misty is not the only one in these 3 families to which that applies.:smile:

dustyk

09-10-2009, 11:18 AM

I have to agree again..What Kind of PERSON does something like that???

And who "tests" thei wife to see if they can lie????

These people are a bunch of _________________I don't think I can type those words here..but you get the idea!
and a 17 year old wife. IMO she has gotten herself into a terrible mess, I am beginning to think she is covering for him and hopefully she doesn't go missing. JMO

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 11:34 AM

:lol: I can hear it now: NG: Ronald, isn't it true you did this to help find your daughter Haliegh? (long uncomfortable pause) RC: Yes Miss Nancy. NG: I understand, I would do the same thing if Little Lucy or John David were missing. :lol:

Please forgive me for being bad this morning....I need a laugh.

Unfortunately, she might do it.

She lost what little respect I had when she complimented Ron for keeping his daughter's face on air... never been shy in front of a camera.

I'd love to see all the clips of him from April - August.

willow

09-10-2009, 11:34 AM

I think the court today - IF there is court today - has to do with the charges of assault in the fight with Tommy.

JMO

If Ron is convicted, what could he be facing? Is this an automatic jail time? Could it be reduced to probation?

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 11:34 AM

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 11:35 AM

Unfortunately, she might do it.

She lost what little respect I had when she complimented Ron for keeping his daughter's face on air... never been shy in front of a camera.

I'd love to see all the clips of him from April - August.

From the leap year?

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 11:35 AM

I'm not sure about severing ties in these families. Seems they enjoy the bickering. They probably will all be lovey dovey by this time next month. JMO

Tommy cut the ties with his sister yesterday, even though it was she going for the order.

willow

09-10-2009, 11:41 AM

Wasn't that yesterday which is the time around her family on the Cape spent over 14 hours with LE? Personally, I see Misty severing every single tie to her family, causing some deep wounds that may never be healed which is sad b/c one day they may be all she has.

I have thought about that also ClimbingRose. I mean look at the divorce rate in the USA and then look at how this marriage started out. It would be very surprising if this is a lifetime marriage and even if it is, there are times you need your family also.

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 11:42 AM

From the leap year?

Of course.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 11:43 AM

Has Tommy even admitted he was at the mh the evening before HaLeigh went missing, and whether he saw her there?

Not that I know of.

He may have admitted it to the police, but we didn't see him in the media speaking until after the fight and I don't believe he mentioned it then.

IIRC, that is.

willow

09-10-2009, 11:48 AM

seeker

09-10-2009, 11:51 AM

Maybe this has been posted, but its a new one for me. A glimpse of Tommy and his wife plus their brief comments.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33241@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Thanks for this link, Panache,

I agree with Mel that Tommy and his wife seem truly puzzled and hurt, yet not completely surprised that Misty said these things. In another interview with Tommy's wife, I saw a stable young woman, down-to-earth, with absolutely nothing to feel afraid about, in terms of she any of the other Croslins being a part of this Crime Against HaLeigh.

My take.

KittyMom

09-10-2009, 11:54 AM

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d10-HaLeigh-Cummings-case-Misty-granted-restraining-order-against-brother

HaLeigh Cummings case: Misty granted restraining order against brother

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 12:01 PM

Snipped for space.

Incredibly sickening, no matter who did it or could do such a thing.

I just cant believe his excuse is that he was doing this to test Misty, give me a break, how lame, like somehow anyone is going to applaud his actions when a animal was more than likely killed and decapitated, who agrees with the "tests" he is putting her through, give me a break, it is so ridiculous I just cant believe it-

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 12:02 PM

I agree..who does that?

I will add - What kind of a person would do that?

What was JR doing while he was doing that?

Does he really think that the judge is going to believe his excuse for doing that?...this list of ?'s could keep going, but it is just sick imo.

Also, can you tell me if you have a picture of Timmy and his wife? Can you tell me what page I can find them on ?

P.S. I love your picture site and thanks for doing it.

When this incident happened, Jr was at his mothers, thank god- jmo

willow

09-10-2009, 12:03 PM

It seems to me that Misty might be enjoying all the attention she is getting. She doesn't seem to be worried that she could be in a heap of trouble when this is resolved. JMO

I am so glad I am not the only one that has noticed that ?noanswer. I think Misty LOVES the attention and the cameras.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 12:04 PM

I just cant believe his excuse is that he was doing this to test Misty, give me a break, how lame, like somehow anyone is going to applaud his actions when a animal was more than likely killed and decapitated, who agrees with the "tests" he is putting her through, give me a break, it is so ridiculous I just cant believe it-

If he didn't know by August that she was capable of lying to the police (and him, and her family, and his family, and to the media), then no amount of "testing" is going to prove it to him.

And in that case, I would question whether it was testing her ability to lie or her ability to keep a secret.

JMO

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 12:08 PM

If he didn't know by August that she was capable of lying to the police (and him, and her family, and his family, and to the media), then no amount of "testing" is going to prove it to him.

And in that case, I would question whether it was testing her ability to lie or her ability to keep a secret.

JMO

Its just pathetic- I think its sad that Misty has to get an order against her brother and basically its all because he wont drop charges again Ron, like alienation of family is the answer, Ron just makes me sick with the control he has over his child bride-

jmo

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 12:08 PM

I am so glad I am not the only one that has noticed that ?noanswer. I think Misty LOVES the attention and the cameras.

Wow, then that must have been some honeymoon during "leap year" when she wasn't seen for months.

sickntired

09-10-2009, 12:09 PM

and a 17 year old wife. IMO she has gotten herself into a terrible mess, I am beginning to think she is covering for him and hopefully she doesn't go missing. JMO

This is kind of like one of my theories. I think Misty is covering for Ron. Before Ron got his Haleigh tattoo, TN said on t.v. that Misty and Ron had broken up, but there they were at the tattoo shop together. Ron couldn't let her go away because she might talk. They had to get married, because she might talk. (Because Ron did not look happy about getting the marriage license to the day of his wedding).

I believe that Misty called her family and wanted to get out of GGSykes house, but Ron couldn't let her go, she might talk. Now we have to make sure Misty's family stays away, a protective order, because she might talk.

Now Misty is looking guilty as hell and Ron is okay with this because it takes the pressure off him. He's gonna stand behind her, because she might talk. Misty won't let Ron make phone calls without her being present, because she is becoming paranoid that everyone is against her/setting her up.

JMO

seeker

09-10-2009, 12:10 PM

I'm not sure about severing ties in these families. Seems they enjoy the bickering. They probably will all be lovey dovey by this time next month. JMO

Good morning,?noanswer, If you care to answer,what causes you to believe they (The Croslin family) enjoy bickering?

My take on them is different. I don't put Misty in the category of the rest of the Croslin family and their spouses, when discussing this.

These people are under tremendous strain and fear for their sister/ daughter, even themselves. No privacy, cameras popping up when unexpected. Probably no peace where they live from the locals.

I want to say that whatever problems Lisa Croslin has encountered in her life, I was impressed that she spoke to the reporter about Misty; knowing that this might be the only way she COULD appeal to her daughter, to please tell what she knows, that she believes it is not all on Misty but also on Misty's husband, and letting her know that she, Misty's mom, is there for her.

This family seems to love one another, the young wives of the sons seem like decent young family-oriented women. They appear honest, heart-broken, fearful, yet not guilty. They will call one another on their bullsh**. That is what I call love. Holding those we love to account.

No mention of the Restraining Order hearing that just took place, just a heartfelt plea to her only young daughter to do the right thing, letting her know she isn't alone, that her mom is here for her, no matter what.

my thoughts on this

AmndaRcknwth

09-10-2009, 12:13 PM

<snipped>

Also, can you tell me if you have a picture of Timmy and his wife? Can you tell me what page I can find them on ?

P.S. I love your picture site and thanks for doing it.

TY about the picture site. I always need to see something to remember the cases, so I knew others would find it helpful too. If I'd planned to make it so big, I'd have chosen a good name. Oh well... too late.

Yes, Timmy's old pic from his MySpace is on p1 with pics of Chelsea there too. Chelsea is also pictured with the van which was released mid-March. Then there are the pics from the March wedding on p11 & 12 with all the family.
To see all 600+ and 50+ vids, you could click "view all" at the bottom of the first page, might save time.

dustyk

09-10-2009, 12:15 PM

This is kind of like one of my theories. I think Misty is covering for Ron. Before Ron got his Haleigh tattoo, TN said on t.v. that Misty and Ron had broken up, but there they were at the tattoo shop together. Ron couldn't let her go away because she might talk. They had to get married, because she might talk. (Because Ron did not look happy about getting the marriage license to the day of his wedding).

I believe that Misty called her family and wanted to get out of GGSykes house, but Ron couldn't let her go, she might talk. Now we have to make sure Misty's family stays away, a protective order, because she might talk.

Now Misty is looking guilty as hell and Ron is okay with this because it takes the pressure off him. He's gonna stand behind her, because she might talk. Misty won't let Ron make phone calls without her being present, because she is becoming paranoid that everyone is against her/setting her up.

JMO
Didn't I hear that Misty asked Ronald if he had Haleigh when he came home? Why would she think that if that is the time he usually came home. I often wondered why he didn't accuse Crystal right away that would have been the first person I would have thought of. Instead he asks her how she let his daughter get stole. Then she tells reporters that he was yelling at the 911 operator.JMO

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 12:16 PM

This is kind of like one of my theories. I think Misty is covering for Ron. Before Ron got his Haleigh tattoo, TN said on t.v. that Misty and Ron had broken up, but there they were at the tattoo shop together. Ron couldn't let her go away because she might talk. They had to get married, because she might talk. (Because Ron did not look happy about getting the marriage license to the day of his wedding).

I believe that Misty called her family and wanted to get out of GGSykes house, but Ron couldn't let her go, she might talk. Now we have to make sure Misty's family stays away, a protective order, because she might talk.

Now Misty is looking guilty as hell and Ron is okay with this because it takes the pressure off him. He's gonna stand behind her, because she might talk. Misty won't let Ron make phone calls without her being present, because she is becoming paranoid that everyone is against her/setting her up.

JMO

I agree though I don't remember TN saying anything about a breakup. I won't ask you for a link, but do you remember whether it might have been a local station.

willow

09-10-2009, 12:21 PM

Well, if this was truly a lesson to see Misty lie to the cops, the neighbor who saw Rons truck pull up had to have been contacted by Ronald to make sure they told Jr Croslin, so he would call the cops- right?

jmo

Well, of course in my opinion.

AmndaRcknwth

09-10-2009, 12:26 PM

my bold..where is this picture site please??

You can find it on my profile. I pay for the site, so it is open to anyone and everyone.

When you get to the site, you can click on about 20 MP cases at the left.

Hope it helps.

willow

09-10-2009, 12:29 PM

Has Tommy even admitted he was at the mh the evening before HaLeigh went missing, and whether he saw her there?

Oh, good question - I had never thought about that and I can not remember him ever saying it, but I am sure I have missed a lot of articles so it is possible I may have missed it. I hope someone can answer your question.

AmndaRcknwth

09-10-2009, 12:30 PM

I have not read the story yet, trying to find the link, but I will say this:

AH has been wrong in the past, and had to print retractions.
AH is currently fighting a lawsuit for his reporting on the ANS case.

Does that mean he is wrong here? Nope, but just things that make you go hmmmmm...

I know what you mean Tracian. I tend to throw out half the stuff reporters say.

The thing is... to me... AH said that TM said it, not that unnamed source or joeblowdowntheblock said it.

I know TM is no God, but the man IS a hero and I tend to take a good % of what he says as true.

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 12:33 PM

Didn't I hear that Misty asked Ronald if he had Haleigh when he came home? Why would she think that if that is the time he usually came home. I often wondered why he didn't accuse Crystal right away that would have been the first person I would have thought of. Instead he asks her how she let his daughter get stole. Then she tells reporters that he was yelling at the 911 operator.JMO

That would makes sense if

1 -- he normally came home shortly after midnight.

2 -- she wasn't there shortly after midnight.

3 -- she had Junior with her, but not HaLeigh

dustyk

09-10-2009, 12:34 PM

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 12:35 PM

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 12:36 PM

I am beginning to think that Misty did leave and Ronald took Haleigh to scare her and then things snowballed from there and with the money coming in and the custody situation he doesn't know how to end it. I always thought that work was his alibi. Maybe he got someone else to go by and take her while he was working and maybe that somebody went to PDM and got a key. just wish they would fess up. How much time would he get if it was a hoax? JMO

This is what I have been saying- I think he got home, found Misty gone and something happened to Haleigh and he staged the scene and took her out, and Misty came home to discover everything- I dont think she knows Ronald did it for sure, but she suspects- thats why he is backing her-

Oh, ETA- except sadly I think Haleigh died as the result of an accident-

jmo

dustyk

09-10-2009, 12:48 PM

Perhaps 'someone' told him that wasn't for public consumption and to remove it. I dunno.
At work and can't access Art's site was it removed, I know I read it this morning.JMO

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 12:50 PM

Blogtalk Radio Special @ Haleigh Cummings

(10 Minutes til air time)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/09/10/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 12:52 PM

I got ya covered CR..here are your coffee & doughnuts my friend...

Awww....:wub:

This is clearly only my opinion butit seems to me Ms. Nancy is changing the shows format from patient advocate to something as a biased supporter for those unworthy of such:thumbdown:

sickntired

09-10-2009, 12:52 PM

I agree though I don't remember TN saying anything about a breakup. I won't ask you for a link, but do you remember whether it might have been a local station.

I really don't recall, but it was like one day before the big tattoo day.
Sorry! :blush:

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 12:55 PM

At work and can't access Art's site was it removed, I know I read it this morning.JMO

It's still there.

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 12:57 PM

I really don't recall, but it was like one day before the big tattoo day.
Sorry! :blush:

While trying to find the video interview with Teresa Neves, I came up empty but found a transcript from JVM where they played the video segment, that might be what you and titan were discussing.

Here is what Ron`s mother said when asked about Misty and Ron`s relationship. Listen closely.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is Misty dating -- are Ronald and she still together?

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH`S PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: What do you mean are they still together?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boyfriend, girlfriend; has this hurt the relationship?

NEVES: I don`t -- they are still -- I mean -- I don`t think so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you clarify to me that Ronald and Misty are still together or they not together?

NEVES: Yes, they are together. She is still his girlfriend. It is definitely a strain, you know. But they are just going to -- stick it out and see how it goes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 12:59 PM

I'd like to hear TM's take on the conversation with AH.

I have a feeling that IF it's not true, Tim has no qualms about correcting the record. Just as he did when Misty claimed he forced her to take the polygraph or he wouldn't look for Haleigh.

JMO

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 12:59 PM

O/T regarding Tim Miller

Tim is actively searching for missing Toni Lee Sharpless in Philadelphia. He is on scene with boats and sonar and believes Toni's car may have entered the Schuylkill River.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/toni-lee-sharpless-update/

Back to Haleigh .... almost air time for Blogtalkradio, for those interested.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/09/10/Haleigh-Cummings-Update

willow

09-10-2009, 01:00 PM

Wow, then that must have been some honeymoon during "leap year" when she wasn't seen for months.

When Misty gets a chance to get in front of cameras I think she LOVES it. Don't you remember the day she was getting her marriage license and Haleigh had only been missing about a month and she is waving at the cameras?

I do not get everyone talking about " leap year" can someone tell me what everyone seems to be talking about ?

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 01:02 PM

When Misty gets a chance to get in front of cameras I think she LOVES it. Don't you remember the day she was getting her marriage license and Haleigh had only been missing about a month and she is waving at the cameras?

I do not get everyone talking about " leap year" can someone tell me what everyone seems to be talking about ?

LOL, it's the period from March (the wedding) until August when Ron was absent from the media as well as LE questioning.

seeker

09-10-2009, 01:02 PM

While trying to find the video interview with Teresa Neves, I came up empty but found a transcript from JVM where they played the video segment, that might be what you and titan were discussing.

Here is what Ron`s mother said when asked about Misty and Ron`s relationship. Listen closely.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is Misty dating -- are Ronald and she still together?

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH`S PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: What do you mean are they still together?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boyfriend, girlfriend; has this hurt the relationship?

NEVES: I don`t -- they are still -- I mean -- I don`t think so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you clarify to me that Ronald and Misty are still together or they not together?

NEVES: Yes, they are together. She is still his girlfriend. It is definitely a strain, you know. But they are just going to -- stick it out and see how it goes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

I believe that the "I don't think so" by TN was in answer to the question of whether or not this had hurt Ron and Misty's relationship.

Again, just like the Ron's attorney alluded to recently. Misty gets their suppport until she is a liability.

My very strong feelings about this.

KittyMom

09-10-2009, 01:04 PM

I have a feeling that IF it's not true, Tim has no qualms about correcting the record. Just as he did when Misty claimed he forced her to take the polygraph or he wouldn't look for Haleigh.

JMO

Then let's hear from Tim.

seeker

09-10-2009, 01:09 PM

Then let's hear from Tim.

Tim has enough integrity and knows what is most important for him in his own life.

It appears he is helping in the search for another lost child. I would imagine, when he feels the need, he will correct the record, IF he feels the need.

I can only imagine how used and dirty he feels, after dealing with these people.

my opinion

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 01:16 PM

Then let's hear from Tim.

Even better, let's hear GGSykes and TN speak out and tell the truth b/c it just doesn't seem we're going to hear Ronald or Misty to provide any information to what happened to Haleigh.

dustyk

09-10-2009, 01:22 PM

I think Tim came back to get something out of Ron and Misty...there was no need to come to Fla to announce they would search several months from then. I think LE knows she is not in the area and that is why Tim Miller left in the first place. JMO

seeker

09-10-2009, 01:49 PM

Even better, let's hear GGSykes and TN speak out and tell the truth b/c it just doesn't seem we're going to hear Ronald or Misty to provide any information to what happened to Haleigh.

That would be something to behold!

seeker

09-10-2009, 01:52 PM

I believe Tim & Company are searching the Schuylkill River outside of Philadelphia for the missing nurse..Toni Lee Sharpless at this moment

Thanks, angellaw.

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 01:59 PM

Nancy Grace: Breaking reports investigators question stepmom Misty Croslin's sister-in-law for 14 hours! She's reportedly asked if she or her husband—Misty’s brother—helped Misty hide Haleigh! All the shocking developments tonight!

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN?ref=nf

Tracian

09-10-2009, 02:16 PM

http://orlandomagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7866&Itemid=2531

This is a real good article on Tim Miller, it may also explain why is does not go on NG anymore.

willow

09-10-2009, 02:20 PM

TY about the picture site. I always need to see something to remember the cases, so I knew others would find it helpful too. If I'd planned to make it so big, I'd have chosen a good name. Oh well... too late.

Yes, Timmy's old pic from his MySpace is on p1 with pics of Chelsea there too. Chelsea is also pictured with the van which was released mid-March. Then there are the pics from the March wedding on p11 & 12 with all the family.
To see all 600+ and 50+ vids, you could click "view all" at the bottom of the first page, might save time.

Thank you AmndaRcknwth, your pictures always help me so I am thankful you take the time to put them together. Your name is just fine for your album and besides the pictures are what count. I have trying to remember what Timmy looks like and I can't, so this will help me. Thanks again for all of your hard work on those pictures.

seeker

09-10-2009, 02:21 PM

Have we even heard anything more about ratgate? Seems like that act stepped into the federal's sand box didn't it? I'm so confused right now, anyone have some extra caffein and doughnuts:blushing:

I have more coffee but unsure how to get it to you, ClimbingRose. Yes, as far as the mail thing, the feds could be brought in. Hope so. Maybe if it were an isolated incident, not within the context of HaLeigh going missing, along withall the LIES and violence since, the govt. would write it off.

I hope a case can be made, if only to find HaLeigh and the ones responsible for the crime against her.

FrankieBones1

09-10-2009, 02:29 PM

http://orlandomagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7866&Itemid=2531

This is a real good article on Tim Miller, it may also explain why is does not go on NG anymore.
Nice write up on Tim, Tracian. I cannot find anything about Nancy's show and Tim, though.
Here is a snippet from the link you posted.
“Whenever I come home from a search, I love to go out to my barn at night with my horses. I bring them treats. I pet on them and brush them and talk to them,” he says. “It’s very calming.

“I’ll get a 12-pack of beer,” Miller adds, conceding the danger drinking poses to him. “And I’ll put some music on the stereo out in the barn, and it’s normally some kind of sad and mellow stuff. And I’ll drink all my beer and I’ll spend a lot of time by myself with my horses. Will I cry out there? Yes.

“I wake up in the morning with a little bit of a hangover and answer the next phone call and go look for the next missing person.

“I guess God just kept me around to be a survivor,’’ he says. “And you know what? It’s OK.’’

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 02:38 PM

My heart is so heavy, how on earth did we miss this? Little Robert fractured my heart and still working thru that and I wasn't even a family member.
Unless you're on these boards everyday one doesn't really understand why we do this. I'd like to think that we're just one big klan who can bicker with the best of them but that we also support and care for each other when any tragedy strikes.

Hello CR, I had to respond. I can't get Robert out of my heard and I don't think I ever will..Apologies for the O/T..:crying::crying:

Motomom

09-10-2009, 02:43 PM

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 02:48 PM

See post 15 of todays thread and it will take you to the link.

That link doesn't work..

willow

09-10-2009, 02:48 PM

I know what you mean Tracian. I tend to throw out half the stuff reporters say.

The thing is... to me... AH said that TM said it, not that unnamed source or joeblowdowntheblock said it.

I know TM is no God, but the man IS a hero and I tend to take a good % of what he says as true.

I agree, I truly respect Tim Miller and TES.

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 02:49 PM

Let me see if I have this straight abotu 8/6/09:

RC and MC at their home are having some kind of argument.
MC calls Tommy and Hank Sr to come get her out of there.
Tommy arrives, and he and RC get into what amounts to a fist fight.
Tommy gets in his truck to leave, RC gets in the truck and hits him.
At some point, MC is in the middle and gets a bruise.

RC gets arrested.
MC files a TRO now PRO aganst Tommy.

1. Why does MC need to call someone to rescue her? She could walk to Tommy's. Seems to me that MC instigated the fight by calling in 3rd parties.

How do you know she was able to walk out? When Crystal would go to visit her kids he used to block his car in the back of hers so she couldn't get out- so do you know for sure she could just leave without any drama?

Tracian

09-10-2009, 02:49 PM

Then let's hear from Tim.

Did Ron tell this to Tim before or after Tim went to the Croslin's to drop charges?

willow

09-10-2009, 02:57 PM

LOL, it's the period from March (the wedding) until August when Ron was absent from the media as well as LE questioning.

OH.., thanks for letting me know. I kept seeing comments about Leap Year and I never could figure out what people were saying. Now, I get it...lol

Tracian

09-10-2009, 03:01 PM

How do you know she was able to walk out? When Crystal would go to visit her kids he used to block his car in the back of hers so she couldn't get out- so do you know for sure she could just leave without any drama?

Once the police showed up she could have left.

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 03:05 PM

Once the police showed up she could have left.

Sometimes life just isn't that simple especially when you are involved in an abusive relationship- I have had the unfortunate luck of having to call the cops on an abusive partner and had to listen to him cry and tell me he loved me and nothing would ever happen again and how much he loved me and how much he would change, and I found myself in a position where I decided to believe him and love him and by the time the cops came I was sorry and said nothing happened, just a quarrel- so I can attest that not everything is rational, and if you talk to abused women past and present, they will tell you the exact same thing- people who cant understand the dynamics of an abusive relationship should consider themselves lucky-

jmo

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 03:05 PM

Tracian

09-10-2009, 03:12 PM

Sometimes life just isn't that simple especially when you are involved in an abusive relationship- I have had the unfortunate luck of having to call the cops on an abusive partner and had to listen to him cry and tell me he loved me and nothing would ever happen again and how much he loved me and how much he would change, and I found myself in a position where I decided to believe him and love him and by the time the cops came I was sorry and said nothing happened, just a quarrel- so I can attest that not everything is rational, and if you talk to abused women past and present, they will tell you the exact same thing- people who cant understand the dynamics of an abusive relationship should consider themselves lucky-

jmo

So far the only abuse Misty claims is from her family.

You said it yourself, not all abusive relationships are the same. I don't believe Misty is being abused by Ron...there is no proof except for message board specualtion.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 03:15 PM

I found where Art says that Tim says...question:

Did Tim go to LE with this information? Also, again does anyone know if this confession was before or after Tim asked the Croslin's to drop charges?

Another question:

Does anyone know if Ron told this to Tim before or after Misty's failed testing?

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 03:16 PM

Don't think it's walking distance from GGMS where the fight happened to Tommy's.

We know nothing (at least I don't) what may have happened between Tommy and Ron.

Interesting about the bail, but I don't know anything about what is normal.

Oh yeah, good point-

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 03:20 PM

http://orlandomagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7866&Itemid=2531

This is a real good article on Tim Miller, it may also explain why is does not go on NG anymore.

Well. I definitely agree with him about NG using tragedy for her own purposes. And throwing out her bombshells and using the M word in this case makes me look at her as nothing but a media wh....I have never liked her.

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 03:25 PM

Nice write up on Tim, Tracian. I cannot find anything about Nancy's show and Tim, though.
Here is a snippet from the link you posted.
“Whenever I come home from a search, I love to go out to my barn at night with my horses. I bring them treats. I pet on them and brush them and talk to them,” he says. “It’s very calming.

“I’ll get a 12-pack of beer,” Miller adds, conceding the danger drinking poses to him. “And I’ll put some music on the stereo out in the barn, and it’s normally some kind of sad and mellow stuff. And I’ll drink all my beer and I’ll spend a lot of time by myself with my horses. Will I cry out there? Yes.

“I wake up in the morning with a little bit of a hangover and answer the next phone call and go look for the next missing person.

“I guess God just kept me around to be a survivor,’’ he says. “And you know what? It’s OK.’’

Frankie, it's here under Tim Millers Presence

Miller has appeared on several national TV shows, including NBC’s Dateline, as well as CNN’s Nancy Grace, whose host he then criticized for turning crime coverage into entertainment. And recently the national Daughters of the American Revolution in Washington, D.C., recognized him for community service.

sickntired

09-10-2009, 03:30 PM

While trying to find the video interview with Teresa Neves, I came up empty but found a transcript from JVM where they played the video segment, that might be what you and titan were discussing.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

Snipped by sickntired

Thanks Lynn Gweeny you have to share your search secrets with us sometime.

I'm not sure if this is the exact interview, but it does appear (as others have posted), that she is answering a different question than the "are Ron & Misty they still together." The one thing I do recall at the time was you never saw Misty around and it was being questioned if they are still a couple and I found it odd that the next day they were together of the tattoo.

dustyk

09-10-2009, 03:34 PM

So far the only abuse Misty claims is from her family.

You said it yourself, not all abusive relationships are the same. I don't believe Misty is being abused by Ron...there is no proof except for message board specualtion.
What about the fight the weekend before when he threw her out of the house and the abusive names we all heard on the 911 tape and in the police report. I do have to believe there is abuse there.JMO

KittyMom

09-10-2009, 03:37 PM

hmm...well, the time state on AH's comment is after 8 last night. So, with TM on a search today, I'd say he's probably not aware of the story being attributed to him. Give it some time and lets see what he says.

Themis

09-10-2009, 03:37 PM

I was thinking last night about LE going to Mass. and talking to Misty's brother and SIL. 14 hours is a very long time to be questioned if you do not know anything. LE also questioned the other brother and his wife a few days before.
<respectfully snipped>

Could some of those 14 hours have been spent learning everything they knew about Donald Lee Sapp?
What I have read about him still concerns me. [JMO * Themis]

5boxersmom

09-10-2009, 03:43 PM

<respectfully snipped>

Could some of those 14 hours have been spent learning everything they knew about Donald Lee Sapp?
What I have read about him still concerns me. [JMO * Themis]

Could be. He did seem to want to insert himself in to this case and that makes my hinkey meter go off.

jmo

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 03:47 PM

So far the only abuse Misty claims is from her family.

You said it yourself, not all abusive relationships are the same. I don't believe Misty is being abused by Ron...there is no proof except for message board specualtion.

Viva, I agree with Tracian. There has been no proof of abuse, so therefore no convoluted story should born from it. Just to clarify, I am not telling you that you cannot tell these stories, before you jump all over me for censoring you, I am rebutting your opinion with my own, that I do not connect the same dots as you.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 03:49 PM

I hate to ask again but it is confusing - who had possession of the van the night HC went missing - Tommy on Tyler St., or Timmy of Crescent City (maybe also Tyler St according to Natiasha on NG) now in Cape Cod?

Also, Timmy now in Cape Cod is the brother that Misty specifically stated she felt closest to, and also that he had turned out to be so good to her, or useful to her, something to that effect.

Timmy in Crescent City had the van.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 03:51 PM

What about the fight the weekend before when he threw her out of the house and the abusive names we all heard on the 911 tape and in the police report. I do have to believe there is abuse there.JMO

First, the weekend before he may have kicked her out; but unless he beat her, that is hardly 'abuse' She seemed to make lemonade out of lemons having a weekend party...should all the reports be correct.

The names on the 911 call...sorry, I stand by my opinion, that if I came home and my husband/boyfriend is 'your daughter is missing' I doubt if I would be calling him sweetie, and be calm and collected.

At risk of being attacked by a certain poster, I have been the ER when parents have said horrible things to each other when a child was severely injured or sadly even arrived DOA at the hospital, grief, shock, and horror can cause serious outbreaks that should not be the defining factor of a person's entire character.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 03:52 PM

Sometimes life just isn't that simple especially when you are involved in an abusive relationship- I have had the unfortunate luck of having to call the cops on an abusive partner and had to listen to him cry and tell me he loved me and nothing would ever happen again and how much he loved me and how much he would change, and I found myself in a position where I decided to believe him and love him and by the time the cops came I was sorry and said nothing happened, just a quarrel- so I can attest that not everything is rational, and if you talk to abused women past and present, they will tell you the exact same thing- people who cant understand the dynamics of an abusive relationship should consider themselves lucky-

jmo

Ron was in jail. He wasn't saying much of anything to Misty. She could have left him, went to the police for protection and got away but she bailed him out of jail. There is nothing to indicate he has been violent with her including her own mother saying they had never seen any violence from him.

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 03:57 PM

Once the police showed up she could have left.

It's more complex than that if any form of abuse is going on. I assure you LE doesn't give you a good sense of relief or protection

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 04:00 PM

Ron was in jail. He wasn't saying much of anything to Misty. She could have left him, went to the police for protection and got away but she bailed him out of jail. There is nothing to indicate he has been violent with her including her own mother saying they had never seen any violence from him.

Ronald wasn't in jail when the LE was taking all the statements. Not aware of this communities LE structure but LE isn't always an advocate for the abused. The retired cop with x amount of wives who died,disappeared under suspicious circumstances.

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 04:02 PM

Snipped by sickntired

Thanks Lynn Gweeny you have to share your search secrets with us sometime.

I'm not sure if this is the exact interview, but it does appear (as others have posted), that she is answering a different question than the "are Ron & Misty they still together." The one thing I do recall at the time was you never saw Misty around and it was being questioned if they are still a couple and I found it odd that the next day they were together of the tattoo.

It was bugging me that I couldn't find a video of what you were looking for, but could it be this one? Teresa Neves is asked by the reporter about there being "no sign of Misty lately" and is toward the end of the video @3:00:

http://www.thenewsroom.com/details/3642140/

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 04:03 PM

ITA

I see Misty is somehow seriously implicated or she should have made a deal by now.

She made a statement during those exams with TM, she states somethink like...never had a good life and it doesn't look like I ever will have one...IIRC

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 04:05 PM

New day; new thread.

Where on earth is Haleigh Cummings?

I wish we knew Frankie:crying:

dustyk

09-10-2009, 04:08 PM

First, the weekend before he may have kicked her out; but unless he beat her, that is hardly 'abuse' She seemed to make lemonade out of lemons having a weekend party...should all the reports be correct.

The names on the 911 call...sorry, I stand by my opinion, that if I came home and my husband/boyfriend is 'your daughter is missing' I doubt if I would be calling him sweetie, and be calm and collected.

At risk of being attacked by a certain poster, I have been the ER when parents have said horrible things to each other when a child was severely injured or sadly even arrived DOA at the hospital, grief, shock, and horror can cause serious outbreaks that should not be the defining factor of a person's entire character.
He called her a b when talking to Tim Miller...sounds like his normal language to me. JMO

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 04:10 PM

It was bugging me that I couldn't find a video of what you were looking for, but could it be this one? Teresa Neves is asked by the reporter about there being "no sign of Misty lately" and is toward the end of the video @3:00:

http://www.thenewsroom.com/details/3642140/

Yes that is one of them she gave I tried and tried to find it the other day because when we were posting way back then alot noticed we did not see her and RC walking around together man your good Lynn I searched for hours and gave up on it

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 04:12 PM

*slaps head* Okay, thanks. In my mind, I have them at 'their home' per the article meaning Green Lane, so you set me straight, it is GGMS's home.

Sheesh. :confused:

Still, she could walk out, she has feet, and that is de-escalation. Calling people over to the situation is escalation as noted by the arrest/outcome.

I disagree with Misty that the incident takes the focus off Haleigh, though. It actually puts them and therefore Haleigh back on the news, although I do not think they planned it.

I get the idea that Misty only thinks of now and herself, and what she is told to say.

baywench

09-10-2009, 04:13 PM

She made a statement during those exams with TM, she states somethink like...never had a good life and it doesn't look like I ever will have one...IIRC

We waited sooooo long for a break in this case. I really believe all of the recent developments will lead to a solution. Misty is losing it imo. Wether or not we will find out if Ron is involved is still up in the air to me. Maybe he is just a strange duck pumped up with his own importance. We'll see. No way does Misty get out of this with jail imo moo

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 04:14 PM

Yes that is one of them she gave I tried and tried to find it the other day because when we were posting way back then alot noticed we did not see her and RC walking around together man your good Lynn I searched for hours and gave up on it

:thumbsup: I knew it had to be out there somewhere.

Glad I found it because I was getting tired of watching videos looking for that little snippet, lol.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 04:15 PM

He called her a b when talking to Tim Miller...sounds like his normal language to me. JMO

What would you call the person you think holds the key to your missing child?

But just another thing, I have heard the way 'young' people talk to each other, it is not what I would like, but it seems more and more common to use nasty words towards one another.

baywench

09-10-2009, 04:15 PM

I get the idea that Misty only thinks of now and herself, and what she is told to say.
.

Misty is a survivor for better or worse. jmo

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 04:17 PM

What would you call the person you think holds the key to your missing child?

But just another thing, I have heard the way 'young' people talk to each other, it is not what I would like, but it seems more and more common to use nasty words towards one another.

BBM

I would hope to call them "Inmate #____________".

But Ron calls her Mrs. Cummings.

JMO

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 04:20 PM

Ron was in jail. He wasn't saying much of anything to Misty. She could have left him, went to the police for protection and got away but she bailed him out of jail. There is nothing to indicate he has been violent with her including her own mother saying they had never seen any violence from him.

my parents didn't for almost 5 years so that does not mean much they hide it very well...what alot do not understand mental abuse is almost as bad and I do not live with these people but I do think RC has a temper just from what I have heard and read and seen in some interviews Misty is running out of family as we are seeing I am starting to wonder who wears the pants in the family though Misty or RC:unsure:...but does not mean HE did anything to Haleigh...JMO

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 04:21 PM

Ronald wasn't in jail when the LE was taking all the statements. Not aware of this communities LE structure but LE isn't always an advocate for the abused. The retired cop with x amount of wives who died,disappeared under suspicious circumstances.

Ronald was handcuffed shortly after the police got there. IMO he was put in the police car as well. If so then he wasn't talking to anyone. And when he was in jail for 12+ hours he wasn't talking to Misty.

All police depts have resources available for abused spouses or SO's.There is absolutely no proof Ron abused anyone.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 04:23 PM

Could be. He did seem to want to insert himself in to this case and that makes my hinkey meter go off.

jmo

Are you sure you're not thinking of Snodgrass? The one who kept showing up at the HBC?

I think Sapp's been quiet about the Haleigh case, even more so now since he's in jail for an unrelated case.

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 04:24 PM

<respectfully snipped>

Could some of those 14 hours have been spent learning everything they knew about Donald Lee Sapp?
What I have read about him still concerns me. [JMO * Themis]

Very well could be. If we can believe anything Misty says about Sapp being missing @Tommy's house that night. Oh what a tangled web she weaves....:mad::mad:

5boxersmom

09-10-2009, 04:25 PM

Are you sure you're not thinking of Snodgrass? The one who kept showing up at the HBC?

I think Sapp's been quiet about the Haleigh case, even more so now since he's in jail for an unrelated case.

You are so right. That is who I was thinking about. Duh to me. :biggrin:

Is Sapp a RSO?

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 04:28 PM

Very well could be. If we can believe anything Misty says about Sapp being missing @Tommy's house that night. Oh what a tangled web she weaves....:mad::mad:

Cousin Joe is the one she said was missing at Timmy's house that night. The only place I've seen it mentioned that Sapp was around that day is on this board.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 04:28 PM

Very well could be. If we can believe anything Misty says about Sapp being missing @Tommy's house that night. Oh what a tangled web she weaves....:mad::mad:

She wasn't talking about Donald Sapp, she was talking about Cousin Joe wasn't she? And he was supposedly at Timmy's house not Tommy's.

(Although I have read speculation that there is a familial connection between Lindsy Croslin and Donald Sapp, it's never been verified.)

Peaches

09-10-2009, 04:28 PM

Snipped per CW

I can only imagine how used and dirty he feels, after dealing with these people.

my opinion

First, I would like to say..........Tim Miller is truly a hero.........a man to be respected. moo My first knowledge of TM was when he was trying to help find Hatalee Holloway! He has looked for her many times. His heart just did not want to give up on her........moo

I can not agree with the above statement. I heard with my own ears TM say ............. do not judge Ronald Cummings.

Tim Miller said that he did many things after his daughter went missing.........even shotting up a house...........and that we do not know what we would do unless we had walk that same path.

My very strong opinion!

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 04:29 PM

You are so right. That is who I was thinking about. Duh to me. :biggrin:

Is Sapp a RSO?

Yes he is.

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 04:30 PM

He called her a b when talking to Tim Miller...sounds like his normal language to me. JMO

That could be, but if you believe that Ron is telling Tim that he suspects Misty knows more than she is telling about his precious child, I really don't see Ron referring to Misty as sweetie pie, do you? And I am inclined to believe Tim is relaying the conversation honestly.

jakee

09-10-2009, 04:34 PM

WOW Sounds like Radio's about fed up with Crystal. :scared:

I have been embarrassed to ask for days now, But who is Radio? :blushing:

jakee

09-10-2009, 04:39 PM

a blogger. she used to use twitter and now she has her own website. She's very much a Crystal supporter.

Oh! Thank you. :biggrin:

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 04:41 PM

Tim has enough integrity and knows what is most important for him in his own life.

It appears he is helping in the search for another lost child. I would imagine, when he feels the need, he will correct the record, IF he feels the need.

I can only imagine how used and dirty he feels, after dealing with these people.

my opinion

ITA sorry but he needs to stay away from anyone that is involved or has been involved with the Anthony case it is only bringing his name down with the circus these people have caused in both cases seems he went with the heart to help and has been dogged in both cases and all he wanted to do is find those babys he has said I WILL DO ANYTHING to help find HALEIGH and he tried 2 times now....JMO IMO

What alot missed since the media got it wrong TM did not leave Haleigh's search the first time just because for one LE said they were done but he had a paying job and at that time TES was so broke from the Anthony case they had no choice...they just do not always print the truth these searches cost alot of money and at this point a lot do not have money to donate so when the money is gone the Missing and loved ones suffer so why should he spend his time with a family that does not want him there or has never said thank you or has pulled him and 30 plus searches into court (Anthony) I am sorry but that is my opinion...and I do not blame him if he did say Misty you have to do this or I am not coming he is learning I think from the other Flordia case because so many would love to have his team come look for their loved one so why go where someone you feel and LE feels may hold the key and they are not talking....

4Kids

09-10-2009, 04:45 PM

a blogger. she used to use twitter and now she has her own website. She's very much a Crystal supporter.

Hi FA....can you PM me a link. I keep up with the board here, but rarely setp outside. Thanks.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 04:46 PM

This thread, page 2, poster IRONSIDES:

http://www.gainesville.com/

"...Deputies said Cummings and Hank Croslin Jr., the brother of Cummings' wife, Misty, got into a fight on Aug. 6 after Misty contacted her family and said she didn't want to stay at a home with her husband any longer.

When her brother and parents arrived..."

:shrug: The media cannot get a straight story, posters cannot get a straight story. None of these people ever seem to tell the truth, tell a a straight story.

That is a media write up. The police report was transcribed in one interview and in it Lisa said they went to check on Misty. The next day Hank Sr was interviewed along with Tommy. It's the interview where Tommy was bouncing around while supposedly severely sprained neck and back. In that interview Hank Sr said he went to check on Misty. It was a video interview and came straight from his mouth.

"After speaking with Hank Jr, I spoke with Lisa Croslin. Lisa stated that she was not sure what Ronald was on but he was not in the right state of mind. She said that up until now she never knew him as being violent. She said that they had received a phone call from her daughter Misty screaming and crying. She said that she was worried about her daughter and went to the residence to check on her. She said that when they arrived on scene Ronald went crazy. She said that when they were in the driveway of the residence Ronald came to the vehicle and hit her son. Lisa completed a written sworn statement in reference to the incident."

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m8d6-Police-report-detailing-arrest-of-Haleigh-Cummings-father-Ronald

CFMom

09-10-2009, 04:47 PM

WOW Sounds like Radio's about fed up with Crystal. :scared:

Who is Radios? Is that the poster from Twitter?

CFMom

09-10-2009, 04:49 PM

Hi FA....can you PM me a link. I keep up with the board here, but rarely setp outside. Thanks.

Please PM me as well. I loved Radios tweets.

Lqqkout

09-10-2009, 04:49 PM

Cousin Joe is the one she said was missing at Timmy's house that night. The only place I've seen it mentioned that Sapp was around that day is on this board.

Sorry, my bad. I got confused for a sec..:confused:

baywench

09-10-2009, 04:52 PM

First, I would like to say..........Tim Miller is truly a hero.........a man to be respected. moo My first knowledge of TM was when he was trying to help find Hatalee Holloway! He has looked for her many times. His heart just did not want to give up on her........moo

I can not agree with the above statement. I heard with my own ears TM say ............. do not judge Ronald Cummings.

Tim Miller said that he did many things after his daughter went missing.........even shotting up a house...........and that we do not know what we would do unless we had walk that same path.

My very strong opinion!

It would be an understatement to say that you are a Ron advocate. What is your explanation for his recent behavior? That we don't know what we would do if we were in the same place? I have to disagree, there are some things I absolutely know I wouldn't do, and marrying the person who probably is responsible for the dissapearance of my child. Does that make any sense to you? I do not believe any of us should insert ourselves into case but obviously that is your right. I think however your objectivity went out the window when you did that. jmo moo

dustyk

09-10-2009, 04:53 PM

What would you call the person you think holds the key to your missing child?

But just another thing, I have heard the way 'young' people talk to each other, it is not what I would like, but it seems more and more common to use nasty words towards one another.
Well in his case his wife and married her with this knowledge.JMO

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 04:53 PM

That is a media write up. The police report was transcribed in one interview and in it Lisa said they went to check on Misty. The next day Hank Sr was interviewed along with Tommy. It's the interview where Tommy was bouncing around while supposedly severely sprained neck and back. In that interview Hank Sr said he went to check on Misty. It was a video interview and came straight from his mouth.

"After speaking with Hank Jr, I spoke with Lisa Croslin. Lisa stated that she was not sure what Ronald was on but he was not in the right state of mind. She said that up until now she never knew him as being violent. She said that they had received a phone call from her daughter Misty screaming and crying. She said that she was worried about her daughter and went to the residence to check on her. She said that when they arrived on scene Ronald went crazy. She said that when they were in the driveway of the residence Ronald came to the vehicle and hit her son. Lisa completed a written sworn statement in reference to the incident."

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m8d6-Police-report-detailing-arrest-of-Haleigh-Cummings-father-Ronald

So Lisa says "they" received a phone call from Misty screaming and crying.

If that's true, I don't think all was well in the Cummings house that night.

JMO

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 04:58 PM

So Lisa says "they" received a phone call from Misty screaming and crying.

If that's true, I don't think all was well in the Cummings house that night.

JMO

But nothing points to her calling her family begging them to come get her. There are only a very small handful of posters who think everything is rosy in that house. I have no doubt there is arguing. Arguing does not equal abuse though.

My point though was that Tommy is the only person who claims Misty wanted him to come over. Everything else, including his own parents, contradict that claim. IMO he knew he had no right to be there and came up with that claim to give himself a reason to be there when the truth was that she didn't ask them to come over.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:00 PM

Well in his case his wife and married her with this knowledge.JMO

I don't pretend to understand all the facets of this case, or some of the actions of all parties involved.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:02 PM

So Lisa says "they" received a phone call from Misty screaming and crying.

If that's true, I don't think all was well in the Cummings house that night.

JMO

If that is true, they should have called for LE to meet them there.

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 05:02 PM

WOW Sounds like Radio's about fed up with Crystal. :scared:

Who?......

baywench

09-10-2009, 05:02 PM

But nothing points to her calling her family begging them to come get her. There are only a very small handful of posters who think everything is rosy in that house. I have no doubt there is arguing. Arguing does not equal abuse though.

My point though was that Tommy is the only person who claims Misty wanted him to come over. Everything else, including his own parents, contradict that claim. IMO he knew he had no right to be there and came up with that claim to give himself a reason to be there when the truth was that she didn't ask them to come over.

She may not have asked him to cover over but I disagree that he did not have a reason to come over. Your sister calling your Mom and screaming and crying and your Mom wanting to go over and check on her imo is a reasonable thing to do :confused:

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:03 PM

ITA but no where did it say she begged them to come get her. I wonder why her brother lied about that.......

It is not proven that he lied.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:04 PM

If that is true, they should have called for LE to meet them there.

Yes, they should have. They probably did not realize how serious the fight was before they got there.

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 05:05 PM

But nothing points to her calling her family begging them to come get her. There are only a very small handful of posters who think everything is rosy in that house. I have no doubt there is arguing. Arguing does not equal abuse though.

My point though was that Tommy is the only person who claims Misty wanted him to come over. Everything else, including his own parents, contradict that claim. IMO he knew he had no right to be there and came up with that claim to give himself a reason to be there when the truth was that she didn't ask them to come over.

so why did he go there? do we know? for dinner or just a friendly hello or to start a fight? I really think we have no idea why do we :confused:

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 05:06 PM

Yes, they should have. They probably did not realize how serious the fight was before they got there.

I think Lisa said prior to this they never seen Ron violent, maybe they didn't think Ron would use his hands on them?

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:06 PM

Yes, they should have. They probably did not realize how serious the fight was before they got there.

If Misty called screaming and crying that she didn't want to be there anymore in the late evening hours, one would think common sense would kick in; especially, if as they claim later, they knew Ron had a gun and were concerned about it.

I think there are few truth tellers in the Croslin family.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 05:08 PM

ITA but no where did it say she begged them to come get her. I wonder why her brother lied about that.......

I don't know that he lied.

But Misty, on the other hand, doesn't have much of a track record in the truth department.

As I said a couple of weeks ago, she may very well have told Tommy to come get her, but when the parents show up with him it was a total surprise.

But that's JMO.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:09 PM

well if he didn't then his parents did...........jmho

More like Misty lied. She may have told her brother one thing and her parents another like she has proven she has a habit of doing.

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 05:09 PM

If Misty called screaming and crying that she didn't want to be there anymore in the late evening hours, one would think common sense would kick in; especially, if as they claim later, they knew Ron had a gun and were concerned about it.

I think there are few truth tellers in the Croslin family.

Yes, they are guilty of not being psychic and knowing their new son inlaw would rage out on them- Not everyone just knows when some loose cannon is going to freak out, especially if hes on drugs- No one, and I mean no one deserves to be beaten, unless its self defense-

jmo

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 05:12 PM

So Lisa says "they" received a phone call from Misty screaming and crying.

If that's true, I don't think all was well in the Cummings house that night.

JMO

easy way to find out phone records if she called them then their phone records should show the time or prove she did call...I am sure Misty would never share hers since she said she never called them right? DRAMA IMO

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:12 PM

She may not have asked him to cover over but I disagree that he did not have a reason to come over. Your sister calling your Mom and screaming and crying and your Mom wanting to go over and check on her imo is a reasonable thing to do :confused:

No it isn't when the person specifically tells you not to come over. That's when you call LE for a safety check. Let the people who are trained to do it handle it. And in this particular case I have no doubt the police would have gone to check the situation out. The Croslins put themselves in the situation they found themeselves in.

The next question is if Tommy lied about why they were there what else did he lie about? Were they acting in a threatening manner when they pulled up and provoked the fight? That would sure explain his need to lie about why they were there.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:12 PM

If Misty called screaming and crying that she didn't want to be there anymore in the late evening hours, one would think common sense would kick in; especially, if as they claim later, they knew Ron had a gun and were concerned about it.

I think there are few truth tellers in the Croslin family.

They know Misty. Maybe they thought she was dramatizing it so they went to check and found there was in fact a fight in which Ron turned on them. When you think of it that way, they did in fact save Misty that night.

There are zero truth tellings among Ron and Misty.

I don't think it matters anymore since Misty's brother has stated he wants nothing to do with her. He even said he does not have a sister anymore. So that brother/sister relationship is over. MO

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:13 PM

so why did he go there? do we know? for dinner or just a friendly hello or to start a fight? I really think we have no idea why do we :confused:

According to Misty, her brother had been calling all day insisting to come over, she kept telling him no, but he showed up anyway.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:13 PM

Has anyone heard anything about the court hearing today?

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:14 PM

so why did he go there? do we know? for dinner or just a friendly hello or to start a fight? I really think we have no idea why do we :confused:

It's in the police report. To check on Misty.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:15 PM

They know Misty. Maybe they thought she was dramatizing it so they went to check and found there was in fact a fight in which Ron turned on them. When you think of it that way, they did in fact save Misty that night.

There are zero truth tellings among Ron and Misty.

I don't think it matters anymore since Misty's brother has stated he wants nothing to do with her. He even said he does not have a sister anymore. So that brother/sister relationship is over. MO

Well, they didn't say they came into a fight between Ron and Misty and then it was turned on them.

HankJr says Misty wanted to get picked up.
HankSr says they were just going to check on her.

There is no straight story, even those on the same 'side' cannot tell the same story.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:16 PM

More like Misty lied. She may have told her brother one thing and her parents another like she has proven she has a habit of doing.

You can't be serious? You don't think Tommy would tell his parents that Misty wanted them to come get her? Absolute silence on the ride over? Nope, not buying that one.

dustyk

09-10-2009, 05:18 PM

No it isn't when the person specifically tells you not to come over. That's when you call LE for a safety check. Let the people who are trained to do it handle it. And in this particular case I have no doubt the police would have gone to check the situation out. The Croslins put themselves in the situation they found themeselves in.

The next question is if Tommy lied about why they were there what else did he lie about? Were they acting in a threatening manner when they pulled up and provoked the fight? That would sure explain his need to lie about why they were there.
Does LE think Tommy lied....Ronald was arrested and has serious charges pending. It sure is strange that Ronald chose to remain silent. JMO

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:18 PM

easy way to find out phone records if she called them then their phone records should show the time or prove she did call...I am sure Misty would never share hers since she said she never called them right? DRAMA IMO

Phone records don't prove what was said during the call. Misty said she told Tommy not to come over. And just yesterday a judge granted a permanent restraining order for her. And I doubt the judge granted it because Tommy said he didn't care and was moving to another state. Apparently the judge found cause to order it permanent.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:18 PM

You can't be serious? You don't think Tommy would tell his parents that Misty wanted them to come get her? Absolute silence on the ride over? Nope, not buying that one.

I was not there so I do not know what they talked about. Misty lies. That is the bottom line. She told her brother one thing and her parents another. That does not make her parents or her brother a liar. Misty telling lies is not a surprise to anybody or should not be anymore.mo

dustyk

09-10-2009, 05:19 PM

Yeah that is why I do not get the court thing for her brother to stay away from her what was that all about...TIA
probably because she requested it and he didn't fight it. JMO

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:20 PM

Phone records don't prove what was said during the call. Misty said she told Tommy not to come over. And just yesterday a judge granted a permanent restraining order for her. And I doubt the judge granted it because Tommy said he didn't care and was moving to another state. Apparently the judge found cause to order it permanent.

You know that is not true. Her brother did not contest it and that was all there was to the hearing. The report said Ron nor Misty said anything. Hank,Jr. does not care if she has a permanent order or not, he does not want anything to do with her ever again so he does not care.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:21 PM

Does LE think Tommy lied....Ronald was arrested and has serious charges pending. It sure is strange that Ronald chose to remain silent. JMO

I don't know what the police think. I'm not psychic and never pretended to be. I do know a judge granted her permanent order for protection against Tommy and judges don't just grant those. They require proof.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:23 PM

You know that is not true. Her brother did not contest it and that was all there was to the hearing. The report said Ron nor Misty said anything. Hank,Jr. does not care if she has a permanent order or not, he does not want anything to do with her ever again so he does not care.

No I don't know that. I wasn't in the courtroom and Tommy isn't the most truthful person I've ever seen. His own parents contradicted him.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:24 PM

ITA......

So is todays court hearing about the fight? I've been so behind lately....gesh i hate this time of year.

I cannot find any information about the hearing today. Have you?

Santa'sMom

09-10-2009, 05:24 PM

FA, Would you send me the link too? I miss Radio:( Thank you!

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:25 PM

No I don't know that. I wasn't in the courtroom and Tommy isn't the most truthful person I've ever seen. His own parents contradicted him.

The news reporter was there and reported it.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:25 PM

Yes, they are guilty of not being psychic and knowing their new son inlaw would rage out on them- Not everyone just knows when some loose cannon is going to freak out, especially if hes on drugs- No one, and I mean no one deserves to be beaten, unless its self defense-

jmo

Oh, now Ron was on drugs that night? As far as that fight goes, IMO there are two sides to every story, and the truth is normally somewhere in the middle.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:26 PM

ITA......

So is todays court hearing about the fight? I've been so behind lately....gesh i hate this time of year.

There is nothing in the court docket about a hearing today so who knows.

panman

09-10-2009, 05:27 PM

my parents didn't for almost 5 years so that does not mean much they hide it very well...what alot do not understand mental abuse is almost as bad and I do not live with these people but I do think RC has a temper just from what I have heard and read and seen in some interviews Misty is running out of family as we are seeing I am starting to wonder who wears the pants in the family though Misty or RC:unsure:...but does not mean HE did anything to Haleigh...JMO

Why is all this carp put on Ron? IMO, maybe Crystal is the way she seems because of her growing up with her own mom and dad? Marie does not seem like a shrinking violet to me, so who actually is at fault here? And yes, I am saying its my opinion that Ron does NOT seem like an abuser to me, of any kind. And just because he called out the "b" word when he learned Haleigh was missing, who wouldn't?

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:27 PM

The news reporter was there and reported it.

Oh that must mean it's true then. :rolleyes:

How many reports have been wrong in this case? Countless. One just the other day lists Tommy and Hank Croslin Jr as two seperate people and they are the same person.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:28 PM

You know that is not true. Her brother did not contest it and that was all there was to the hearing. The report said Ron nor Misty said anything. Hank,Jr. does not care if she has a permanent order or not, he does not want anything to do with her ever again so he does not care.

Did he even show up at the hearing?

Just a footnote:

It is never a good idea to just let a restraining order go through, it comes up every time you are run, and one for DV can be especially harmful to one's reputation..

willow

09-10-2009, 05:28 PM

I don't know if it would be automatic jail time; it would depend on if a plea deal is made, should he plea--going to trial, again it would depend on if he was found guilty and what the final charge would be, and then the sentencing guidelines for whatever he was convicted of.

Thank you and you are right I would think there would be a plea at least made, but I don't think Tommy will take the plea now. Of course, that doesn't really help Haleigh unless this family feud keeps going until someone get so angry they say something about Haleigh and that is IF they are hiding anything.

I do think Misty is involved somehow and I do think she has told at least one of her family members.

Thanks again for the help Tracian

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:29 PM

BTW Diamond. If Tommy didn't contest it, there were no grounds and he was leaving the state the judge had the option of dismissing the case. Instead he granted the order.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:30 PM

Oh that must mean it's true then. :rolleyes:

How many reports have been wrong in this case? Countless. One just the other day lists Tommy and Hank Croslin Jr as two seperate people and they are the same person.

Did you see the video? It was recorded inside the court room while Hank,Jr was talking to the judge and he did not contest it. He stated she could have it and that he wants nothing more to do with Misty. It showed Ron and Misty sitting there in all their glory and they said nothing.

baywench

09-10-2009, 05:30 PM

No it isn't when the person specifically tells you not to come over. That's when you call LE for a safety check. Let the people who are trained to do it handle it. And in this particular case I have no doubt the police would have gone to check the situation out. The Croslins put themselves in the situation they found themeselves in.

The next question is if Tommy lied about why they were there what else did he lie about? Were they acting in a threatening manner when they pulled up and provoked the fight? That would sure explain his need to lie about why they were there.

So you are choosing to believe Misty over Tommy I guess? I can't think of what would make them decide to climb into the truck and go over to Mistys and raise hell if they had not heard from Misty. Doesn't make sense to me. But then again, very little this family does makes sense to me. jmo

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:32 PM

Yeah i can't find anything so i'm not sure it took place today.....

If Ron had to be in court today it would have made news. IMO it's probably more shoddy reporting.

willow

09-10-2009, 05:32 PM

Did he even show up at the hearing?

Just a footnote:

It is never a good idea to just let a restraining order go through, it comes up every time you are run, and one for DV can be especially harmful to one's reputation..

Trician I agree with you, I think Tommy should have fought that. Especially the part about the gun. He can never own a gun again and he is young. He may want to hunt sometime, or need protection for his family,etc.

He sounded really angry or hurt and just through his arms up and told the judge to give it to her ( paraphrasing).

I think that went into a lot of why the judge did. I mean what could the judge do? She could not tell him to fight it, so I felt the judges hands were tied.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:32 PM

BTW Diamond. If Tommy didn't contest it, there were no grounds and he was leaving the state the judge had the option of dismissing the case. Instead he granted the order.

It does not work that way. He would have to contest it and request dismissal due to leaving the state it would not be needed..etc..

The point is HankJr does not care. He wants nothing to do with Misty so he is not wasting his time in court or worrying about it. Besides that order works both ways. She cannot contact him either and he is glad of it. He is finished with her. mo

ClimbingRose

09-10-2009, 05:33 PM

I wish we knew Frankie:crying:

Maybe we could go over and ask Ronald and Misty?:sneaky:

dustyk

09-10-2009, 05:33 PM

willow

09-10-2009, 05:34 PM

No one, and I mean no one deserves to be beaten, unless its self defense-

jmo

snipped for space

I agree 100%

CFMom

09-10-2009, 05:35 PM

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:36 PM

Thank you and you are right I would think there would be a plea at least made, but I don't think Tommy will take the plea now. Of course, that doesn't really help Haleigh unless this family feud keeps going until someone get so angry they say something about Haleigh and that is IF they are hiding anything.

I do think Misty is involved somehow and I do think she has told at least one of her family members.

Thanks again for the help Tracian

You're most welcome, thou I don't know how much help I was :)

Unless things are a lot different in Florida, Tommy would not have much of a say about a plea agreement.

I think that LE's current interest in Misty's family has everything to do with the phone records that night.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:36 PM

I have seen no proof Ron abused any female. I think its just rumors to make him look bad. Most people require more proof before forming such an opinion.

Every female that knows him has said it except his mother and granny.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:37 PM

So you are choosing to believe Misty over Tommy I guess? I can't think of what would make them decide to climb into the truck and go over to Mistys and raise hell if they had not heard from Misty. Doesn't make sense to me. But then again, very little this family does makes sense to me. jmo

I'm taking all of the stories and basing it on that. Tommy is the only one who claimed she wanted them to come get her. His parents said check on her. I never said they didn't talk to her. I do think Tommy may have gone over there with an attitude and instigated the whole situation.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:40 PM

I'm taking all of the stories and basing it on that. Tommy is the only one who claimed she wanted them to come get her. His parents said check on her. I never said they didn't talk to her. I do think Tommy may have gone over there with an attitude and instigated the whole situation.

Tommy does not look the type to do that. He is not a big guy or any body that puts forth a Mr. Bad attitude. Ron attacked him inside his vehicle and Ron was arrested. Period. Now the court will sort it out.

panman

09-10-2009, 05:40 PM

Well we must be looking at two different Ronald's because the one I see has the mother of his children saying that he called her the b word and then we hear him call Misty the b word and he goes off on the Croslin's for coming to check on Misty and was arrested for it. Seems violent and abusive to me. JMO

Oh yea, my bad, the "b" word is the devil himself. I don't live in a bubble, ok?

As for someone coming on my property and they were told allegedly not to, then show up, they are coming there for trouble. And they got it.
all my opinion

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:42 PM

Oh yea, my bad, the "b" word is the devil himself. I don't live in a bubble, ok?

As for someone coming on my property and they were told allegedly not to, then show up, they are coming there for trouble. And they got it.
all my opinion

If that were the case, Ron, Misty or GGS could have called 911. Truth be told, they started the fight and wanted to fight. IMO

panman

09-10-2009, 05:43 PM

Every female that knows him has said it except his mother and granny.

And not an ounce of proof, from anyone, IIRC.

willow

09-10-2009, 05:43 PM

No it isn't when the person specifically tells you not to come over. That's when you call LE for a safety check. Let the people who are trained to do it handle it. And in this particular case I have no doubt the police would have gone to check the situation out. The Croslins put themselves in the situation they found themeselves in.

The next question is if Tommy lied about why they were there what else did he lie about? Were they acting in a threatening manner when they pulled up and provoked the fight? That would sure explain his need to lie about why they were there.

Seriously, if you thought your sister may be abused ( if you have a sister) or was concerned for her in any way, would you call the police for a weldness check? Or would you try to handle it yourself and keep LE out of it.

Personally I think I would try to keep LE out of a family dispute if I could.

I know sometimes you can't, but if it is possible I know I would try.

Lynn Gweeny

09-10-2009, 05:43 PM

Of course Misty lies...I've known that from day one but i'm going by what was said that night and Misty's parents did NOT say she begged them to come get her. If i'm wrong show me where they said it . Thanks.

Here's what Hank Croslin, Sr. says in the videotape @ 1:25:

"She’s the one who called us crying and sure, I’m her father, I’m gonna go see what’s wrong with her”

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=32864@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:43 PM

Every female that knows him has said it except his mother and granny.

Every female huh? Exaggerate much?

Crystal said it but not until she had an agenda. She wanted custody and IMO child support so she didn't have to work. No proof of abuse was ever shown or found by DCF. Imagine that!!!

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 05:44 PM

No it isn't when the person specifically tells you not to come over. That's when you call LE for a safety check. Let the people who are trained to do it handle it. And in this particular case I have no doubt the police would have gone to check the situation out. The Croslins put themselves in the situation they found themeselves in.

The next question is if Tommy lied about why they were there what else did he lie about? Were they acting in a threatening manner when they pulled up and provoked the fight? That would sure explain his need to lie about why they were there.

for all we know Misty changed her mind and they may have been stupid and not called LE but you better bet if one of my boys called me screaming to come get them I would be there before LE ever got there and my other son would also but we are not to much like what I have seen out of this family dynamic...JMO

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:44 PM

And not an ounce of proof, from anyone, IIRC.

Abuse rarely is proven until someone is either badly hurt or killed.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:44 PM

If that were the case, Ron, Misty or GGS could have called 911. Truth be told, they started the fight and wanted to fight. IMO

I think the fight was a shared responsiblity. I agree someone in the house could have called 911

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:45 PM

Seriously, if you thought your sister may be abused ( if you have a sister) or was concerned for her in any way, would you call the police for a weldness check? Or would you try to handle it yourself and keep LE out of it.

Personally I think I would try to keep LE out of a family dispute if I could.

I know sometimes you can't, but if it is possible I know I would try.

I called the police. It wasn't an abusive spouse but she was in a bad place and I relied on the people who are here to help. That's what the police are trianed to do and what they get paid to do.

dustyk

09-10-2009, 05:46 PM

I think the fight was a shared responsiblity. I agree someone in the house could have called 911
Well the officer arrested Ronald. JMO

panman

09-10-2009, 05:46 PM

If that were the case, Ron, Misty or GGS could have called 911. Truth be told, they started the fight and wanted to fight. IMO

Wrong. The people that go to other peoples property start it, not the other way around. PHONE, do the people there not know what the phone is? Even the stories that were told to Crystal, no one calls her. Sorry, not buying it.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:46 PM

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:47 PM

Wrong. The people that go to other peoples property start it, not the other way around. PHONE, do the people there not know what the phone is? Even the stories that were told to Crystal, no one calls her. Sorry, not buying it.

Would you react the same way the Cummings did or would you call 911?

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:48 PM

Well the officer arrested Ronald. JMO

True, but I still believe that the fight was a share responsiblity.

Ron gave his statement once in custody, time will tell how things all come to pass.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:49 PM

Whether convicted or not; His criminal record of assaulting both men and women have been in the STICKY LINKS thread of this forum since this case began. I and others have pointed that out to you several times. I don't think it's been 10 days since I pointed it out to you. Those posts are still here if anyone feels inclined to search your name.

You can make yourself believe they're not there, but those records are there.

Allegations are not convictions.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:49 PM

titanfan217

09-10-2009, 05:50 PM

Yeah that is why I do not get the court thing for her brother to stay away from her what was that all about...TIA

It's to make Ronald look good. He was provoked etc etc.

But Tommy played the trump card yesterday when he said he wanted nothing to do with his sister. Any judge worth the title will know that there's a reason for that and it's who she's married to.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:50 PM

True, but I still believe that the fight was a share responsiblity.

Ron gave his statement once in custody, time will tell how things all come to pass.

I agree. Both sides could have and should have called 911 and avoided the fight. But since neither did, it does not give Ronald the right to attack someone as they sit in their vehicle. That is why he was arrested.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:52 PM

It is a known fact that DCF fails many times. There are deceased children that DCF could have saved and did not.

Kim Picazio claimed there was proof Ron beat the children bloody. DCF didn't fail because she lied. She tried to spin a known school injury into abuse and was caught doing it. She's lucky there were no ethic's complaints filed against her over that stunt.

Diamond1

09-10-2009, 05:52 PM

It's to make Ronald look good. He was provoked etc etc.

But Tommy played the trump card yesterday when he said he wanted nothing to do with his sister. Any judge worth the title will know that there's a reason for that and it's who she's married to.

It is the best thing for Tommy. He does not have to worry about getting drawn into Ron and Misty's drama anymore. I imagine that is a relief to him.

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:55 PM

Well the officer arrested Ronald. JMO

And the police already said they did because the 3 Croslins made the claim. It was an numbers thing, not fact.

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 05:55 PM

Every female huh? Exaggerate much?

Crystal said it but not until she had an agenda. She wanted custody and IMO child support so she didn't have to work. No proof of abuse was ever shown or found by DCF. Imagine that!!!

no proof but not uncommon and I know I work with battered women and have been one..she did not speak up until she felt she had a voice IMO.....BUT THAT IS JMO I would be the last to say someone has been abused when I felt they had not been do I know if CS was heck no do I feel she felt she had no voice heck YES..to bad she did not find the right one to help her that was the problem....Misty I am not so sure I am wondering if she is not playing with RC maybe she says she is leaving and he goes off and then they make up after they get everyone involved :sneaky:

baywench

09-10-2009, 05:55 PM

for all we know Misty changed her mind and they may have been stupid and not called LE but you better bet if one of my boys called me screaming to come get them I would be there before LE ever got there and my other son would also but we are not to much like what I have seen out of this family dynamic...JMO

I'm sure my family would do that too. I would hope that my my daughters would have the sense to call LE and not me first if they were being hit. If they call me crying they want to leave that's another thing entirely. I would go and check on her, I would expect her husband to not have a problem with that if he wasn't doing anything wrong. I would not necessarily call LE unless I was sure she was being abused. That is not (from any account) what Misty said. She said she wanted out IIRC. Not a police matter if that is the case. I would assume if it were my child that she was not being held against her will since she was able to call. Hope I'm making sense? jmo

panman

09-10-2009, 05:55 PM

Abuse rarely is proven until someone is either badly hurt or killed.

Like I said earlier, I think it all started before Ron was involved with Crystal. Just like the Croslins, the parents of Crystal let her go at a very early age, IIRC. Why?

No matter who wants to put all the blame towards Ron, they can't, IMO.

willow

09-10-2009, 05:58 PM

panman

09-10-2009, 05:58 PM

aproudmom

09-10-2009, 05:58 PM

I have to say DFC is a total JOKE I would not allow them to check on a abuse call on a dog...JMO just look how many kids fall threw the cracks and are dead...so I do not go by what DFC says here they are contracted out now I have no clue how to call them all the offices are closed down and when you call you do not get a case worker it is all a joke IMO

Tracian

09-10-2009, 05:59 PM

Would you react the same way the Cummings did or would you call 911?

I am not panman, but I wanted to reply to this question.

I don't know all the causes and effects as to what lead to the physical contact. I have seen neighbors get into pushing matches at the local pub, 911 was not called, and by the next day all was well with both of them.

Maybe Ron or GGMS did not want to get the police involved in what would smooth out in day or so....maybe tempers flaired on both sides--

Even if the Croslins showed up because they thought Misty wanted to leave, she called 'screaming and crying' isn't reasonable to believe that upon arriving they too, were already 'worked up'?

I know if my daughter called hysterical as the Croslin's claim Misty did, I would have to call LE, because my hubby going over there would be the worse thing we could do...he is not a violent man, but if he thought his little girl was in danger...he is not the mild mannered country gent he is normally.

IMO, it boils down to two males about the same age that both have tempers and let those tempers get the best of them..

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 05:59 PM

no proof but not uncommon and I know I work with battered women and have been one..she did not speak up until she felt she had a voice IMO.....BUT THAT IS JMO I would be the last to say someone has been abused when I felt they had not been do I know if CS was heck no do I feel she felt she had no voice heck YES..to bad she did not find the right one to help her that was the problem....Misty I am not so sure I am wondering if she is not playing with RC maybe she says she is leaving and he goes off and then they make up after they get everyone involved :sneaky:

Crystal's father was a cop. She had a voice and resources so I'm sorry but imo it's a crock and bull story from her that she was abused. She played the abuse card only after she lost custody. She thought it would sound good to the judge and get him to give her the kids back. She never alleged abuse during the custody hearing.

Viva4Haleigh

09-10-2009, 06:00 PM

Why is all this carp put on Ron? IMO, maybe Crystal is the way she seems because of her growing up with her own mom and dad? Marie does not seem like a shrinking violet to me, so who actually is at fault here? And yes, I am saying its my opinion that Ron does NOT seem like an abuser to me, of any kind. And just because he called out the "b" word when he learned Haleigh was missing, who wouldn't?

My bold

You just might be surprised Mrs. or Mr. panman. Not all family's are hard core and just cuss at the blink of an eye.

Haleigh did not need to hear this kind of language and JR does not deserve to hear it. Do you really think that is the only time he has called Misty that name? I don't and that is my opinion.

No kidding, its not normal in my household to talk like that, that is not normal behavior to me at all, thankfully-

panman

09-10-2009, 06:01 PM

Would you react the same way the Cummings did or would you call 911?

IMO, until we walk in someone shoes, we have no clue what we would. We might think we do, but we don't. And to add to that, what one might do one time, we might not do the next.

When I hear the parents let their kids go off at that young age to live with a guy, who really done the wrong here? Oh, and I don't want to hear Ron.
jmo

Tracian

09-10-2009, 06:02 PM

Trician I agree with you, I think Tommy should have fought that. Especially the part about the gun. He can never own a gun again and he is young. He may want to hunt sometime, or need protection for his family,etc.

He sounded really angry or hurt and just through his arms up and told the judge to give it to her ( paraphrasing).

I think that went into a lot of why the judge did. I mean what could the judge do? She could not tell him to fight it, so I felt the judges hands were tied.

Actually, Willow, I think he can own a gun again once the order expires.

A lot of people don't mind getting a restraining order because they feel the same way..."I don't want to be around them anyway" so I am not belittling him for feeling that way, but it is a blot on your police record even after it expires.

panman

09-10-2009, 06:04 PM

And the police already said they did because the 3 Croslins made the claim. It was an numbers thing, not fact.

And from what I know, its also sometimes the first one who calls LE who gets the upper hand.
jmo

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 06:06 PM

panman

09-10-2009, 06:06 PM

no proof but not uncommon and I know I work with battered women and have been one..she did not speak up until she felt she had a voice IMO.....BUT THAT IS JMO I would be the last to say someone has been abused when I felt they had not been do I know if CS was heck no do I feel she felt she had no voice heck YES..to bad she did not find the right one to help her that was the problem....Misty I am not so sure I am wondering if she is not playing with RC maybe she says she is leaving and he goes off and then they make up after they get everyone involved :sneaky:

IMO, Crystal still has no voice, or she doesn't know how to use it. Oh yea, I do remember she used it once. That was the day of the dumpster search. She spoke up for herself.
jmo

Tracian

09-10-2009, 06:06 PM

Why is all this carp put on Ron? IMO, maybe Crystal is the way she seems because of her growing up with her own mom and dad? Marie does not seem like a shrinking violet to me, so who actually is at fault here? And yes, I am saying its my opinion that Ron does NOT seem like an abuser to me, of any kind. And just because he called out the "b" word when he learned Haleigh was missing, who wouldn't?

My bold

You just might be surprised Mrs. or Mr. panman. Not all family's are hard core and just cuss at the blink of an eye.

Haleigh did not need to hear this kind of language and JR does not deserve to hear it. Do you really think that is the only time he has called Misty that name? I don't and that is my opinion.

Willow:

My husband has never used those words to me; nor have I ever called him nasty words; even when angry we avoid that type of talk.

However, just watching popular movies with people their age, the music, and just the way some younger people communicate, those words are used far more frequently.

Again, I am not saying it is 'right' but it seems for some more or less a generational thing.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 06:07 PM

"Originally Posted by Diamond1
If that were the case, Ron, Misty or GGS could have called 911. Truth be told, they started the fight and wanted to fight. IMO"

"Originally Posted by panman
Wrong. The people that go to other peoples property start it, not the other way around. PHONE, do the people there not know what the phone is? Even the stories that were told to Crystal, no one calls her. Sorry, not buying it."

That is beautiful - those two posts back-to-back. And in both your posts, WHO is at the center of all of it but MISTY.

I believe that Misty is a master at instigating others into discord with her manipulations/cajoling followed by the victim act. DRAMA.

She does appear to be a vindictive little thing, doesn't she?

(I may have to rethink my opinion that she did not personally do anything to Haleigh, but just wasn't there.)

JMO

willow

09-10-2009, 06:08 PM

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 06:09 PM

There is nothing in Ron's criminal record about assaulting women. You need to stop making false claims.

He does have that affray conviction though. Would that be considered a similar transaction when the assault case goes to trial?

Just asking.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 06:11 PM

She does appear to be a vindictive little thing, doesn't she?

(I may have to rethink my opinion that she did not personally do anything to Haleigh, but just wasn't there.)

JMO

When this first started, like you I thought worse case scenario, she was not at the house..after watching her 'preform' I have changed my opinion that she very well could have hurt Haleigh and called for help...hence the phone records, and the police asking about witnesses seeing Misty that night.

panman

09-10-2009, 06:11 PM

Why is all this carp put on Ron? IMO, maybe Crystal is the way she seems because of her growing up with her own mom and dad? Marie does not seem like a shrinking violet to me, so who actually is at fault here? And yes, I am saying its my opinion that Ron does NOT seem like an abuser to me, of any kind. And just because he called out the "b" word when he learned Haleigh was missing, who wouldn't?

My bold

You just might be surprised Mrs. or Mr. panman. Not all family's are hard core and just cuss at the blink of an eye.

Haleigh did not need to hear this kind of language and JR does not deserve to hear it. Do you really think that is the only time he has called Misty that name? I don't and that is my opinion.

I am not sure who you are calling hard core and who you think cusses, but as I said, I don't live in a bubble. And IMO, none of the people in this do either. And it doesn't make them the worlds worst because they don't live in a bubble. Do you think calling people s..ts is better than being called a "b"?
jmo

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 06:12 PM

He does have that affray conviction though. Would that be considered a similar transaction when the assault case goes to trial?

Just asking.

There is nothing to indicate the affray charge involved a female.

willow

09-10-2009, 06:12 PM

You're most welcome, thou I don't know how much help I was :)

Unless things are a lot different in Florida, Tommy would not have much of a say about a plea agreement.

I think that LE's current interest in Misty's family has everything to do with the phone records that night.

You were help to me, and I do not know how much Tommy would have to say about a plea agreement either.

I am glad I have never been in that position and I hope I never am.

I hope they get those phone records if just one little thing was said that could lead them to Haleigh.

Something needs to break in this case and just when I think it may be getting ready to , it goes cold again.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 06:13 PM

He does have that affray conviction though. Would that be considered a similar transaction when the assault case goes to trial?

Just asking.

Did that have to do with a woman being a victim?

Past bad acts have to offer more probative value than prejudicial value to be allowed into court.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 06:14 PM

There is nothing to indicate the affray charge involved a female.

I didn't say that it did. As far as we know the sex of the other person is not mentioned.

I was just asking about the similar transaction issue.

HouseOfClark

09-10-2009, 06:15 PM

Did that have to do with a woman being a victim?

Past bad acts have to offer more probative value than prejudicial value to be allowed into court.

Such as if the "affray" was over with and he possibly started it back up again?

W_D_1

09-10-2009, 06:17 PM

I didn't say that it did. As far as we know the sex of the other person is not mentioned.

I was just asking about the similar transaction issue.

My post was about a specific claim. We all know there is nothing in Ron's criminal history suggesting he assualted women like adalena claimed. You chose to bring the affray into it and it's my guess you did it to take the focus off of the false claim.

Tracian

09-10-2009, 06:17 PM

Croslin family member (misty) implicated in this 7 month unsolved (Cummings) child abduction case, implications far more complex than what you describe. mo

In part, In this release, PCSO said:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5024500.php

I was referring to the fight, not that Misty is holding back in regards to what happened to Haleigh.