September 9, Wednesday

[Themis]

Good Morning - New thread for today, Wednesday - 9-9-09

[titanfan217]

Good morning.

[HouseOfClark]

Praying Haleigh is alive and well.

I noticed on NG last night she said that whoever called in the tip about Haleigh being seen in Walmart; it was credible tip. You hardly ever hear a tip is credible....just makes you wonder.

It sure would be wonderful to get good news today!!!



My thoughts and opinions

NG said it was a credible tip. She said that about a lot of the Caylee sightings too. I wouldn't believe it was credible unless LE said it was and IF it was, I think they would have spent more time on it, don't you?

JMO

[panman]

NG said it was a credible tip. She said that about a lot of the Caylee sightings too. I wouldn't believe it was credible unless LE said it was and IF it was, I think they would have spent more time on it, don't you?

JMO

Good morning. Nothing like trying to squash hope so early. IMO

[titanfan217]

NG said it was a credible tip. She said that about a lot of the Caylee sightings too. I wouldn't believe it was credible unless LE said it was and IF it was, I think they would have spent more time on it, don't you?

JMO


NG only says what makes ratings and what makes RC look good.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Guess TN got it wrong when she said her son had been cleared=


GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

[?noanswer]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5177781.php

Interview with Lindsey Croslin. JMO

[ClimbingRose]

Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 837

Good Morning all my fellow posters,

It's good to see each of you coming back everyday even despite all the badgering we're put through. The day time seems to be the most productive in discussing Haleigh. By evening it's so hard to stay focused on this issue when we start having all the accusations and how dare your's flying all over the place.

Today, I sincerely pray that everyone places Haleigh before all, even if it means confessing to any part of the crime which took this beautiful blond hair girl from her home that night.

It is always a joy to discuss the aspects of this case with all of you and each day you teach me something new

CR
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Disclaimer: My opinions, theories or suspicions are just that.

[titanfan217]

Guess TN got it wrong when she said her son had been cleared=


GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html


He's supposedly had this alibi all along, and he was still at the top of the list.

[Tracian]

He's supposedly had this alibi all along, and he was still at the top of the list.


Close family is always at the top of the list.

[Elle]

Guess TN got it wrong when she said her son had been cleared=


GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

To Teresa's credit, I can see how she might have thought that.

"The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case."
Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood

So I guess Ronald and Crystal being the parents would have at the beginning topped the list along with Misty since she was the last one w/ Haleigh, I would imagine there are actually a pretty decent amount of people on the list given the convoluted web of relationships Now Ron and Crystal are at the bottom. Even the lawyer was saying not 'officially' cleared 100 % because they cant 'officially' clear 100% until a case is solved.

just my take

[CANDYKISSES]

Close family is always at the top of the list.

ITA Tracian and there's much work involved to eliminate them as suspects when it comes to a child. While pedophiles must be accounted for, outside of that (and remember those are known and registered :unsure:) family is the first you need to rule out because they are the ones most involved in interacting with a child IMO.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME!

[CANDYKISSES]

To Teresa's credit, I can see how she might have thought that.

"The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case."
Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood

So I guess Ronald and Crystal being the parents would have at the beginning topped the list along with Misty since she was the last one w/ Haleigh, I would imagine there are actually a pretty decent amount of people on the list given the convoluted web of relationships Now Ron and Crystal are at the bottom. Even the lawyer was saying not 'officially' cleared 100 % because they cant 'officially' clear 100% until a case is solved.

just my take

In all fairness perhaps Viva couldn't bring herself to post the subject matter in its entirety because again it would show NG understands the tight rope they are walking.

Hopefully Tara will see this today too.

FROM NG Transcript Viva linked above....

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.

GRACE: Yes. And I guess that the reality is they`re not ruling anybody out totally until the case is solved. But Terry, now that I`ve got you, I want to nail down the timeline. Wasn`t he reported into work the full evening...

SHOEMAKER: Yes.


JMOOC

[Viva4Haleigh]

He's supposedly had this alibi all along, and he was still at the top of the list.

Yeah, very interesting- I guess his alibi isn't so solid he has been ruled out-

jmo

[Tracian]

Yeah, very interesting- I guess his alibi isn't so solid he has been ruled out-

jmo




Oh for goodness sake, why don't you post all the people that LE has offically ruled out?

The list is short, the AC man...as for the family...NADA.

IIRC the Ramsey's were not 'offically' cleared until a few years ago when the DNA came back.

[Elle]

He's supposedly had this alibi all along, and he was still at the top of the list.

Is it known when he was moved from the top to the bottom? I would imagine verification of his alibi was a key factor. Could have been day 2 for all we know. When Greenwood stated on august 17th that Ron and Crystal were not considered suspects, it does not mean that they just arrived at that, it simply means that is when they decided to release that info.

imo

[Viva4Haleigh]

Is it known when he was moved from the top to the bottom? I would imagine verification of his alibi was a key factor. Could have been day 2 for all we know. When Greenwood stated on august 17th that Ron and Crystal were not considered suspects, it does not mean that they just arrived at that, it simply means that is when they decided to release that info.

imo

If his alibi was iron clad, I dont understand why he wouldn't be cleared completely? Something is going on that he is cant be cleared, maybe its his backing of the supposed POI in this case? I can see how the cops would be concerned with him being on Team Misty, instead of Team Haleigh-

jmo

[sickntired]

I haven't caught up with last nights posts, so bear with me if I am rehashing something already gone over: In reference to NG's show last night....Misty had two brothers living close to her and Ron at the time Haleigh went missing. One brother has since moved to Cape Cod close to where there was a Haleigh sighting.

Does anyone recall that there was police activity at the brother's home the same night that Haleigh went missing? Did we ever find out why the police were at the brothers' house?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Oh for goodness sake, why don't you post all the people that LE has offically ruled out?

The list is short, the AC man...as for the family...NADA.

IIRC the Ramsey's were not 'offically' cleared until a few years ago when the DNA came back.

LOL, just yesterday I had a poster use huge font to scream at me saying basically we shouldnt talk about Ron since the cops cleared him, lol.

Oh how things change!

jmo

[sickntired]

Another question (because I can never find anything when I search)....I have always been confused....who owned the mini van that had the body damage? Who was in possession of the mini van the night Hailey went missing?

[FrankieBones1]

Oh for goodness sake, why don't you post all the people that LE has offically ruled out?

The list is short, the AC man...as for the family...NADA.

IIRC the Ramsey's were not 'offically' cleared until a few years ago when the DNA came back.
I caught a bit of Nancy Grace's show last night when they spoke about a call from Misty to her brother before Misty made the 911 call.

Did anyone say what time the call was made to her brother?

[Lynn Gweeny]

UCN: 542009DR001003FDXXXX
File Date: 2009-08-06 Disposition Date:
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION - FD10
Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS

Plaintiffs
CUMMINGS MISTY J

Defendants
CROSLIN JR HANK T


2009-08-19 ~ 006.ORDER EXTENDING TEMPORARY INJUNCTION 09/09/09 09:30

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

[FrankieBones1]

Praying Haleigh is alive and well.

I noticed on NG last night she said that whoever called in the tip about Haleigh being seen in Walmart; it was credible tip. You hardly ever hear a tip is credible....just makes you wonder.

It sure would be wonderful to get good news today!!!



My thoughts and opinions
Hi, Jackie and Pan!
It's good to see optimism and hope in this case. Thanks for that.
:rose:

[Motomom]

I caught a bit of Nancy Grace's show last night when they spoke about a call from Misty to her brother before Misty made the 911 call.

Did anyone say what time the call was made to her brother?

Frankie.. I don't know what time the call was but that's the first I heard of a call being made to her brother before 911. I'll assume it was before Ronald got home as well. It's rather interesting IMO and I'm glad the Croslins are being thoroughly questioned.

I'm also curious about the tip of her being seen in Walmart, if it is credible or not. I don't know how they define credible, whether it was just NG's word or not. I hope there is video and I hope LE is looking into the tip to see if it is her or not.

[Elle]

If his alibi was iron clad, I dont understand why he wouldn't be cleared completely? Something is going on that he is cant be cleared, maybe its his backing of the supposed POI in this case? I can see how the cops would be concerned with him being on Team Misty, instead of Team Haleigh-

jmo

I do not know why they cannot say Ron and Crystal are 'cleared' other than the explanation given by the lawyers last night. I do understand how Ron marrying Misty has raised many eyebrows, personally, I do not understand it myself, that said, I do not believe he has anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh. What do you think could be the reason they have not 'cleared' Crystal?
That question is not meant to instigate an argument, I ask seriously.

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Ron-Cummings-gives-account-of-night-Haleigh-Cummings-disappeared-speaks-about-Misty-Croslin


Ron Cummings gives account of night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, speaks about Misty Croslin

[FrankieBones1]

Good Morning, Lynn!
What does that all mean? E. Morris rings a small bell.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I do not know why they cannot say Ron and Crystal are 'cleared' other than the explanation given by the lawyers last night. I do understand how Ron marrying Misty has raised many eyebrows, personally, I do not understand it myself, that said, I do not believe he has anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh. What do you think could be the reason they have not 'cleared' Crystal?
That question is not meant to instigate an argument, I ask seriously.

I guess I would like to know if Crystal is even on the list, and in what position- I dont think LE are worried about Crystal, I think they are concerned with Misty and the person closest to her-

jmo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Another question (because I can never find anything when I search)....I have always been confused....who owned the mini van that had the body damage? Who was in possession of the mini van the night Hailey went missing?

This was posted back in March by Politigal that might help answer your question. :smile:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

[panman]

If his alibi was iron clad, I dont understand why he wouldn't be cleared completely? Something is going on that he is cant be cleared, maybe its his backing of the supposed POI in this case? I can see how the cops would be concerned with him being on Team Misty, instead of Team Haleigh-

jmo

BBM

You can see? How does anyone know what LE is doing? Please inform us as to that?

[Elle]

UCN: 542009DR001003FDXXXX
File Date: 2009-08-06 Disposition Date:
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION - FD10
Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS

Plaintiffs
CUMMINGS MISTY J

Defendants
CROSLIN JR HANK T


2009-08-19 ~ 006.ORDER EXTENDING TEMPORARY INJUNCTION 09/09/09 09:30

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php


Thank you. Does this mean that she has shown sufficient cause to have it extended? I do not know much about restraining orders.

[Motomom]

I do not know why they cannot say Ron and Crystal are 'cleared' other than the explanation given by the lawyers last night. I do understand how Ron marrying Misty has raised many eyebrows, personally, I do not understand it myself, that said, I do not believe he has anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh. What do you think could be the reason they have not 'cleared' Crystal?
That question is not meant to instigate an argument, I ask seriously.

Same reason IMO that they are saying not cleared %100... because unless LE was with them the entire time, how can they be sure. I'll take LE's word on it that Ron and Crystal are not suspects, until they say differently. Apparently both of their alibis were checked. I personally can see them not clearing Ron, and clearing Crytsal but we don't see that happening. strange I guess.

[FrankieBones1]

ITA Tracian and there's much work involved to eliminate them as suspects when it comes to a child. While pedophiles must be accounted for, outside of that (and remember those are known and registered :unsure:) family is the first you need to rule out because they are the ones most involved in interacting with a child IMO.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME!
Good Morning, Candy. I agree, it can take a long time to solve a case. And I think it's great that you can enlarge a font to make a point. It drives it home in most cases.
Keep up the good work.

[Motomom]

I guess I would like to know if Crystal is even on the list, and in what position- I dont think LE are worried about Crystal, I think they are concerned with Misty and the person closest to her-

jmo

It's a shame they aren't or can't clear Crystal 100% isn't it. Le has said they are not suspects though and I believe them. Le has made it clear who they are focusing on.. Misty.. and now the Croslins are being questioned. This is a good thing IMO.. especially now that we know there was a phonecall made to the brother before 911. I can see how that call can be explained away.. to an extent. All in due time, more will come out and hopefully the person responsible for this will pay.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Good Morning, Lynn!
What does that all mean? E. Morris rings a small bell.

Good morning!

My post above about the 'court docket' is in reference to the TRO by Misty against Tommy scheduled to be heard in court this morning at 9:30 a.m. ET, it seems, to determine whether to extend it or rescind it. JMO

Regarding your other post above re: the telephone call between Misty and her brother prior to the 911 call, unfortunately no follow up question to get the time the call was made. :glare:

[FrankieBones1]

Same reason IMO that they are saying not cleared %100... because unless LE was with them the entire time, how can they be sure. I'll take LE's word on it that Ron and Crystal are not suspects, until they say differently. Apparently both of their alibis were checked. I personally can see them not clearing Ron, and clearing Crytsal but we don't see that happening. strange I guess.

Hi, Motomom! I would have to go with LE on this one, too. If we can't trust LE, who can we trust?

[FrankieBones1]

Good morning!

My post above about the 'court docket' is in reference to the TRO by Misty against Tommy is scheduled to be heard, IIRC, as to whether to extend it or rescind it. JMO

Regarding your other post above re: the telephone call between Misty and her brother prior to the 911 call, unfortunately no follow up question to get the time the call was made. :glare:
True. For all we know, she could have called her brother at 8pm.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Misty also says Timmy Croslin had nothing to do with this, and I believe her considering I am pretty sure she knows what happened to Haleigh-

Wasn't there talk of her babysitting some kids, I think Timmy has kids, it could be they were speaking of that, just speculating, I dont see any Croslins in custody, its not like this is the first time the LE is hearing about the calls between them, its just us that is being let in on that tidbit-


RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`d go with what Gloria just said. A 17-year-old young girl, scared, she calls her brother. He`s right down the street. She may even know that he`s going to respond in an emergency faster than 911 will. I don`t see that`s any inconsistency. I don`t see a problem with it.

GRACE: I want to see Giudice`s face when he says things like that.

GIUDICE: I`ll say it again, and let me just say something. The police...

GRACE: No, please don`t repeat yourself.

GIUDICE: The police have sat on this for eight months. They`ve talked to this brother before. This just didn`t come up today about the phone calls. It`s no bombshell.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

[Motomom]

True. For all we know, she could have called her brother at 8pm.

Yeah but they made it sound as if Haleigh had gone missing..then called the brother.

I had a kind of stupid question though about the polygraph, about Misty failing. Before I type this, it's mostly hypothetical because I believe Misty knows more and isn't telling and I think it involves her family. But lets say Misty really was asleep, and really woke up to find Haleigh missing. If she has ideas in her head, if she has a real opinion of what happened to Haleigh and is not telling, would that show deceit on the LD test? Or even the VA test?

[Motomom]

Misty also says Timmy Croslin had nothing to do with this, and I believe her considering I am pretty sure she knows what happened to Haleigh-

Wasn't there talk of her babysitting some kids, I think Timmy has kids, it could be they were speaking of that, just speculating, I dont see any Croslins in custody, its not like this is the first time the LE is hearing about the calls between them, its just us that is being let in on that tidbit-


RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`d go with what Gloria just said. A 17-year-old young girl, scared, she calls her brother. He`s right down the street. She may even know that he`s going to respond in an emergency faster than 911 will. I don`t see that`s any inconsistency. I don`t see a problem with it.

GRACE: I want to see Giudice`s face when he says things like that.

GIUDICE: I`ll say it again, and let me just say something. The police...

GRACE: No, please don`t repeat yourself.

GIUDICE: The police have sat on this for eight months. They`ve talked to this brother before. This just didn`t come up today about the phone calls. It`s no bombshell.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html


But you don't believe her when she says that Ron had nothing to do with it? I'm not sure how to pick and choose between her lies, as to what could be true, or what fits my theory. She's a liar and my bet is you are right, she knows what happened. Her saying not her brother means little to me, just like her saying not Ron, probably means little to you.

[n/t]

Can someone clarify something for me please.

When this case first broke, IIRC there was mention that Misty's brother, nephews were at the house the night Haleigh went missing. Was it Timmy?

TIA

[need2no]

True. For all we know, she could have called her brother at 8pm.

It's not clear to me from what was said on NG last night, apparently LE is keeping this close to the vest.

GRACE: OK, I want to go to Marlaina Schiavo, who`s been on the story, our producer, from the beginning. Marlaina, right around the time of this sighting, we learned police in Florida hot-foot it to Massachusetts and began hours of questioning of the girlfriend-turned-new-stepmom, Misty Croslin`s, brother. This is the same brother that was there in Satsuma when Haleigh went missing. This is the same brother that we`ve confirmed a lot of phone calls between Croslin and her brother around the time Haleigh goes missing. And also, he lives in the area of this alleged sighting. What do we know about this brother?

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: What we know, Nancy, is that there are a series of phone calls between Misty and her brother Timmy, the same brother that lives in Massachusetts. This is what led police to question him for half a day over the weekend on Saturday regarding things that were said to him by Misty the night Haleigh went missing.


GRACE: OK. Got it. Do we know about the phone calls made between Misty Croslin and the brother when Haleigh goes missing?

SCHIAVO: We know that phone records show that she called her brother, but the police won`t say what those conversations were about.

GRACE: OK. Marlaina, did she call the brother before the 911 call?

SCHIAVO: Yes, she did.

Gloria, she calls him before she calls 911?

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ADVOCATE: Yes. And what`s the reason, Nancy? That`s what we want to know. Because one would think one would call 911 first. Now, she`s probably going to say she`s 17 years old and just was scared and confused. But I think anyone, even 17 years old, would know to call 911.

GRACE: Alex, you`re absolutely correct. And I want to add something onto this. To Gloria Allred. She never did call 911. 911 was only called when Ronald Cummings comes home from the night shift, walks in and finds out Haleigh`s gone. That is when 911 gets called. That`s a little correction to the facts, Gloria.

ALLRED: Well, and that`s a very important correction, Nancy, because if she didn`t call 911 at all, one has to wonder why? Did she feel guilty about something? Did she feel that perhaps it was her responsibility and she messed up, or was there something even more malicious involved?


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

[titanfan217]

If his alibi was iron clad, I dont understand why he wouldn't be cleared completely? Something is going on that he is cant be cleared, maybe its his backing of the supposed POI in this case? I can see how the cops would be concerned with him being on Team Misty, instead of Team Haleigh-

jmo


That and the mismatch of information, all sworn to be the truth, and an attorney that keeps changing the story.

[CANDYKISSES]

LOL, just yesterday I had a poster use huge font to scream at me saying basically we shouldnt talk about Ron since the cops cleared him, lol.

Oh how things change!

jmo

No, what was posted was a piece of your own article saying so. It was a direct quote IIRC. :ohmy:

I realize you only acknowledge what is convenient and fits your agenda to malign Haleigh Cummings father who was awarded custody in a court of law, recently underwent another DCF investigation keeping custody and provided for her and her sibling until February 9th (and thereafter her sibling only) IMO.

[Viva4Haleigh]

That and the mismatch of information, all sworn to be the truth, and an attorney that keeps changing the story.

Or maybe he didn't pass his lie detector test, I mean I cant believe he did especially when he was on TV saying she passed hers with flying colors- they aren't telling him the truth, and there is a reason for that, indicates to me they fed him misinformation because they want him to feel at ease-

jmo

[titanfan217]

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Ron-Cummings-gives-account-of-night-Haleigh-Cummings-disappeared-speaks-about-Misty-Croslin


Ron Cummings gives account of night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, speaks about Misty Croslin


Was Ron actually on NG 9/7, or was that all repeat?

[HouseOfClark]

Yeah but they made it sound as if Haleigh had gone missing..then called the brother.

I had a kind of stupid question though about the polygraph, about Misty failing. Before I type this, it's mostly hypothetical because I believe Misty knows more and isn't telling and I think it involves her family. But lets say Misty really was asleep, and really woke up to find Haleigh missing. If she has ideas in her head, if she has a real opinion of what happened to Haleigh and is not telling, would that show deceit on the LD test? Or even the VA test?

I think somebody posted a day or so ago that Misty's "thoughts" about anybody involved wouldn't register (or words to that effect, to be clear they were talking about her "dreams" of the "Fab Four"). I don't recall that LDT's ask about who one thinks could be involved in a crime, only their own involvement.

I don't think Misty's family is involved in Haleigh's disappearance. If police are supposedly pitting husband against wife and vice versa, I can believe that they also told Misty things that her brothers might possibly have said about her. IMO, that would explain her now pointing fingers at them - one after the other - and her storming out after she claimed an investigator was "rude".

JMO though.

[Destini]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090909/ARTICLES/909091005/1002?Title=Agency-Silent-Over-Interviews-in-Haleigh-Case

Croslin-Cummings made statements that her brother had been acting strangely after the girl vanished.

[HouseOfClark]

Can someone clarify something for me please.

When this case first broke, IIRC there was mention that Misty's brother, nephews were at the house the night Haleigh went missing. Was it Timmy?

TIA

As far as we know, it was Tommy.

JMO

[Elle]

Same reason IMO that they are saying not cleared %100... because unless LE was with them the entire time, how can they be sure. I'll take LE's word on it that Ron and Crystal are not suspects, until they say differently. Apparently both of their alibis were checked. I personally can see them not clearing Ron, and clearing Crytsal but we don't see that happening. strange I guess.

I agree mom, I asked only because if someone is going to question why Ron has not been officially cleared, then it stands to reason one would question why Crystal has not been officially cleared either when they are both termed 'not suspect' I agree w/ the explanation given as I think it makes sense. At this time, I do not think either of them are involved.

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

Yeah but they made it sound as if Haleigh had gone missing..then called the brother.

I had a kind of stupid question though about the polygraph, about Misty failing. Before I type this, it's mostly hypothetical because I believe Misty knows more and isn't telling and I think it involves her family. But lets say Misty really was asleep, and really woke up to find Haleigh missing. If she has ideas in her head, if she has a real opinion of what happened to Haleigh and is not telling, would that show deceit on the LD test? Or even the VA test?

Motomom, there are many factors that play into polygraph deception and IIRC even a highly nervous or anxiety riddled individual can give false readings.

I do wonder if maybe there was a terrible accident and Timmy and his wife had some role in either trying to fix things or were actually somehow responsible????? That would have explained the clip I heard of Misty the other day about what a good guy Timmy had turned out to be IMOO.

Another thought would have been if Misty had medicated Haleigh that night and it backfired???? Maybe Haleigh just didn't want to go to bed and Misty was regrouping from her alleged long weekend of partying. Just a possibility. It could explain a flurry of calls between Timmy and Misty while Ron was unable to reach her IMOO. :confused:

Just guessing.

[titanfan217]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090909/ARTICLES/909091005/1002?Title=Agency-Silent-Over-Interviews-in-Haleigh-Case

Croslin-Cummings made statements that her brother had been acting strangely after the girl vanished.

I thought it was Tommy that was supposedly acting strangely. And how would Misty and/or Ron know what strange or normal behavior is!

[CANDYKISSES]

But you don't believe her when she says that Ron had nothing to do with it? I'm not sure how to pick and choose between her lies, as to what could be true, or what fits my theory. She's a liar and my bet is you are right, she knows what happened. Her saying not her brother means little to me, just like her saying not Ron, probably means little to you.

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it Motomom. :wink: JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

I have faith in LE, and know they poured over phone records early on, these calls to Timmy must not be to important since the LE didn't stop them from moving out state or anything- But it is nice to know that people can leave the state and still be found for questioning, much to Rons fears that Misty may leave him again, he was probably fearful after the last weekend when she took off and did whatever she wanted-

It just boggles my mind that Ron really wasn't in a huge hurry to get home to his girlfriend who he was frantically trying to get ahold of- I personally would be worried if the person watching my kids turns off my only lifeline to them, I sure wouldn't have stayed hours after work, but thats just me-

jmo

[HouseOfClark]

I thought it was Tommy that was supposedly acting strangely. And how would Misty and/or Ron know what strange or normal behavior is!

Yes, in the Voice analysis she said that Tommy was acting strange.

[n/t]

As far as we know, it was Tommy.

JMO

Thanks for the reply.

[Tracian]

I have faith in LE, and know they poured over phone records early on, these calls to Timmy must not be to important since the LE didn't stop them from moving out state or anything- But it is nice to know that people can leave the state and still be found for questioning, much to Rons fears that Misty may leave him again, he was probably fearful after the last weekend when she took off and did whatever she wanted-

It just boggles my mind that Ron really wasn't in a huge hurry to get home to his girlfriend who he was frantically trying to get ahold of- I personally would be worried if the person watching my kids turns off my only lifeline to them, I sure wouldn't have stayed hours after work, but thats just me-

jmo



LE cannot stop anyone from leaving a state unless they are ready to charge them.

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5173311.php

Radio calls in Haleigh case released-

[Mel]

Good morning.

good morning, Titan, Themis, HOC, & all:seeya:

[Mel]

NG said it was a credible tip. She said that about a lot of the Caylee sightings too. I wouldn't believe it was credible unless LE said it was and IF it was, I think they would have spent more time on it, don't you?

JMO

Tim Miller said he's convinced this sighting isn't Haleigh, & i agree..

[titanfan217]

good morning, Titan, Themis, HOC, & all:seeya:

Morning. You're up bright & early.

[Mel]

He's supposedly had this alibi all along, and he was still at the top of the list.

right....those sly LE:sneaky:

[Elle]

I have faith in LE, and know they poured over phone records early on, these calls to Timmy must not be to important since the LE didn't stop them from moving out state or anything- But it is nice to know that people can leave the state and still be found for questioning, much to Rons fears that Misty may leave him again, he was probably fearful after the last weekend when she took off and did whatever she wanted-

It just boggles my mind that Ron really wasn't in a huge hurry to get home to his girlfriend who he was frantically trying to get ahold of- I personally would be worried if the person watching my kids turns off my only lifeline to them, I sure wouldn't have stayed hours after work, but thats just me-

jmo

I think that immaturity plays a big part. I believe he simply thought she was being a b and turning off her phone, I do not think he thought anything would happen to his child. I can see what you are saying, I would have been off the wall, but I believe he just did not think anything would happen. Maybe she has done this in the past? Very juvenile, nani nani behavior...but I do not think we are dealing with mature people. I do think he was remiss in not making sure there was a way to be in touch with his babies.

I don't know.

[Viva4Haleigh]

right....those sly LE:sneaky:

Personally, I think there is a list and there are two names on it, so if he jumped down one notch, its not that impressive-
jmo

[Mel]

Morning. You're up bright & early.

nothing to do today!...yippeeeeee...been a long time since i've had absolutely nothing to do, on a day off, lol.....

i honestly believe LE has kept soooo much info from everyone, & all the rumors are just bits & pieces some folks can gather, which are probably true for the most part...course i know some aren't also....

what about RC's work hours?...they've changed a gazillion times, lol:rolleyes:

[titanfan217]

Tim Miller said he's convinced this sighting isn't Haleigh, & i agree..

Me too.

She was seen there about the same time Putnam County showed up 1200 miles away. Not unless they brought her with them.

[Mel]

Personally, I think there is a list and there are two names on it, so if he jumped down one notch, its not that impressive-
jmo

that's what i think also, Viva....i think LE has looked closely (& still are) at Ronald & his wife, from the beginning...

eta...good morning, Viva:seeya:

[Tracian]

Personally, I think there is a list and there are two names on it, so if he jumped down one notch, its not that impressive-
jmo

Right....and tell me again why LE has cleared no one?

[Mel]

Me too.

She was seen there about the same time Putnam County showed up 1200 miles away. Not unless they brought her with them.

personally, i think the tip was a hoax, to throw attention up to MA....jmo

[sickntired]

This was posted back in March by Politigal that might help answer your question. :smile:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

Thank you Lynn.

[titanfan217]

nothing to do today!...yippeeeeee...been a long time since i've had absolutely nothing to do, on a day off, lol.....

i honestly believe LE has kept soooo much info from everyone, & all the rumors are just bits & pieces some folks can gather, which are probably true for the most part...course i know some aren't also....

what about RC's work hours?...they've changed a gazillion times, lol:rolleyes:


And every one of them that makes him look good is the absolute truth, and we should not even question them.

Come on up. I've plenty for both of us to do, but first need to "pay off the ransom" to get my TV from hostage from a 4 year old. Back soon, I hope.

[Viva4Haleigh]

that's what i think also, Viva....i think LE has looked closely (& still are) at Ronald & his wife, from the beginning...

eta...good morning, Viva:seeya:

Good morning!

On the Today how Ron was crowing about John Merchant and how he told him that they passed the lie detectors, I dont think they did, if he passed a detector and had iron clad hours, he wouldn't be on any list-

jmo

[titanfan217]

I think it was someone intimately familiar (probably a message board reader or NG watcher) with the case who knew they had moved there.

Wonder if it came through Crime Stoppers where the tips are "anonymous".

[Tracian]

I think it was someone intimately familiar (probably a message board reader or NG watcher) with the case who knew they had moved there.


didn't they have video tape from the Walmart? Or am I confusing this with another case?

[Mel]

If his alibi was iron clad, I dont understand why he wouldn't be cleared completely? Something is going on that he is cant be cleared, maybe its his backing of the supposed POI in this case? I can see how the cops would be concerned with him being on Team Misty, instead of Team Haleigh-

jmo

i'm guessing it's taken this long to figure out Ronald's 'shift' hours:sneaky:

& you're right..no doubt LE is suspicious of a man who's standing by his wife..the person that's failed "miserably" on polygraphs, VA, interviews with LE, etc....

[Tracian]

Good morning!

On the Today how Ron was crowing about John Merchant and how he told him that they passed the lie detectors, I dont think they did, if he passed a detector and had iron clad hours, he wouldn't be on any list-

jmo



Passing an LE does not take one off a list, otherwise, LE would have removed others....which they have not, or at least announced.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I think it was someone intimately familiar (probably a message board reader or NG watcher) with the case who knew they had moved there.

Yeah, there are people who like to make up stories to see how far they will go, its like a weird form of arson or Munchhausens, I cant decide-

jmo

[Tracian]

i'm guessing it's taken this long to figure out Ronald's 'shift' hours:sneaky:

& you're right..no doubt LE is suspicious of a man who's standing by his wife..the person that's failed "miserably" on polygraphs, VA, interviews with LE, etc....


Just because the media is getting the information now, does not mean that it took LE that long to get Ron's shift hours straight.

[Viva4Haleigh]

i'm guessing it's taken this long to figure out Ronald's 'shift' hours:sneaky:

& you're right..no doubt LE is suspicious of a man who's standing by his wife..the person that's failed "miserably" on polygraphs, VA, interviews with LE, etc....

I mean LE have a big problem with her story, and hes just fine with it, he believes her, he can rationalize it as he is not a polygrapher, these are based in percentages- which is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo, he has no idea what he is talking about, but he sides with Misty- everyone else has a problem with her inconsistencies but him- amazing!

jmo

[Viva4Haleigh]

Just because the media is getting the information now, does not mean that it took LE that long to get Ron's shift hours straight.

As of yesterday, some were screaming that his shift was set in stone, lol. I have always maintained there was something wrong, but was chastised over and over again, badgered not to talk about it- go figure!

Then we find out he is not clear, after it was spoken as gospel here that it was- weird how that works- So I have always operated there were things that LE wasn't sharing, who ever thinks LE is going to tip their cards to us?

jmo

[Mel]

I haven't caught up with last nights posts, so bear with me if I am rehashing something already gone over: In reference to NG's show last night....Misty had two brothers living close to her and Ron at the time Haleigh went missing. One brother has since moved to Cape Cod close to where there was a Haleigh sighting.

Does anyone recall that there was police activity at the brother's home the same night that Haleigh went missing? Did we ever find out why the police were at the brothers' house?

i haven't heard the reason LE were called to the brother's house, that night...not yet

ok...yes, one brother moved to MA; Timmy & his wife Chelsea..Tommy & his wife are still in Satsuma, but may be moving soon also...(anyone correct me if i'm mistaken)

[HouseOfClark]

didn't they have video tape from the Walmart? Or am I confusing this with another case?

I don't know. If they have, it hasn't surfaced. Has anyone from that particular WalMart said they have turned over surveillance tape? Or maybe police have looked at it and spotted right off it wasn't Haleigh. Or maybe it was just a rumored "sighting".

Yeah, I know. Lots of maybes.

JMO

[ClimbingRose]

Good morning. Nothing like trying to squash hope so early. IMO

Didn't see the look of hope in GGSykes during her media interview last evening. We're dealing with a crime which always has twists and turns which is why LE tend not to give any hope based on a tip.

[n/t]

ok well...now I'm totally confused.

Who is Tommy? Who is Timmy? Are they the same person? Are they both her brothers?

This article says:

Miller said he believes that's why detectives traveled to Cape Cod. The night Haleigh disappeared, Misty Cummings said Timmy Croslin discovered his van had been used by someone else.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20774307/detail.html

[Tracian]

As of yesterday, some were screaming that his shift was set in stone, lol. I have always maintained there was something wrong, but was chastised over and over again, badgered not to talk about it- go figure!

Then we find out he is not clear, after it was spoken as gospel here that it was- weird how that works- So I have always operated there were things that LE wasn't sharing, who ever thinks LE is going to tip their cards to us?

jmo


If Ron was not at work, if he left and Haleigh was not seen after; if Ron left work and returned, dontcha think that LE would have offered something to the media to get realiable tips, rather than give false information for tips?

I have never heard of LE giving false information to the public while asking for tips in regards to an open case.

Hey, if it turns out that LE tried some strange new way of getting a person to 'crack' then I am very disapointed in LE--this type of game puts Jr. in danger, one child is missing, there is no reason to play this type of game with another's life.

[Mel]

Another question (because I can never find anything when I search)....I have always been confused....who owned the mini van that had the body damage? Who was in possession of the mini van the night Hailey went missing?

i've been confused about that also...this link was posted last night...i had never seen it before..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4

this leads me to believe the van is actually owned by Chelsea & Timmy????....but then at one point, Chelsea talks about "her van", meaning Misty....either way, i THINK the actual owners are Chelsea & Timmy....(again, someone correct me if i'm wrong, LOL...i'm trying to piece together more on this dang van!!)

[Lqqkout]

I caught a bit of Nancy Grace's show last night when they spoke about a call from Misty to her brother before Misty made the 911 call.

Did anyone say what time the call was made to her brother?

Hi Frankie, THAT is the question of the day. It was stated on NG that it was before the 911 call, but how much before? Also the dispatch audio released last night was extremely confusing. I would like to know the time of that call also. It sound like Haleigh reportedly was seen much later than 10pm. Very disturbing in my opinion.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I have never heard of LE giving false information to the public while asking for tips in regards to an open case.

.

We are the public, we are observers, the LE can lie about whatever they want to get information, the fact John Merchant told Ronald that Misty passed her detector with flying colors is an example of that, we know she didn't pass, her results from Tim Millers test were not new to LE-

jmo

[Tracian]

I don't know. If they have, it hasn't surfaced. Has anyone from that particular WalMart said they have turned over surveillance tape? Or maybe police have looked at it and spotted right off it wasn't Haleigh. Or maybe it was just a rumored "sighting".

Yeah, I know. Lots of maybes.

JMO



I would hope that if someone called in a tip, it was done because someone really thought they saw her; not because it was some silly sick game.

Maybe because of the Jaycee case, people are going to call in tips, even if they are not sure--because from what I am hearing, some people thought 'Alisa' looked like Jaycee but didn't want to cause 'waves' if they were wrong.

[HouseOfClark]

If Ron was not at work, if he left and Haleigh was not seen after; if Ron left work and returned, dontcha think that LE would have offered something to the media to get realiable tips, rather than give false information for tips?

I have never heard of LE giving false information to the public while asking for tips in regards to an open case.

Hey, if it turns out that LE tried some strange new way of getting a person to 'crack' then I am very disapointed in LE--this type of game puts Jr. in danger, one child is missing, there is no reason to play this type of game with another's life.

BBM

Which is why I'm not a follower of the "Ron is working with LE by marrying Misty to get her to crack and tell where Haleigh is" theory.

Too much can go wrong with that "plan".

JMO

[ClimbingRose]

i haven't heard the reason LE were called to the brother's house, that night...not yet

ok...yes, one brother moved to MA; Timmy & his wife Chelsea..Tommy & his wife are still in Satsuma, but may be moving soon also...(anyone correct me if I'm mistaken)


According to my stick diagram I believe you are right. Interesting that Timmy's wife is stated in the article commenting most of Misty's family has started distancing themselves from her..Hmmm....Although they have no facts, only suspicions that they fear Misty may be involved with whatever happened to Haleigh.

But that's just only my opinion.

[Tracian]

We are the public, we are observers, the LE can lie about whatever they want to get information, the fact John Merchant told Ronald that Misty passed her detector with flying colors is an example of that, we know she didn't pass, her results from Tim Millers test were not new to LE-

jmo


LE never offered the information. As far as putting out false information that makes no sense, not if they really want tips.

So is LE also putting out false information about wanting to know about Misty that night?

And, if you're right, are you okay with using JR as a sacrifical lamb?

[Mel]

ok well...now I'm totally confused.
Who is Tommy? Who is Timmy? Are they the same person? Are they both her brothers?

This article says:

Miller said he believes that's why detectives traveled to Cape Cod. The night Haleigh disappeared, Misty Cummings said Timmy Croslin discovered his van had been used by someone else.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20774307/detail.html

lol, i was also, last night!!!!

that along with how owned the blue van:scared:

Misty has 2 brothers, Tommy & Timmy...Timmy is the one she likes, per her VA testing....
also, the above link only confirms, IMO, the van is owned by Timmy & his wife, Chelsea..they now live in MA

there!

[HouseOfClark]

I would hope that if someone called in a tip, it was done because someone really thought they saw her; not because it was some silly sick game.

Maybe because of the Jaycee case, people are going to call in tips, even if they are not sure--because from what I am hearing, some people thought 'Alisa' looked like Jaycee but didn't want to cause 'waves' if they were wrong.

Oh I think people should definitely get involved and call law enforcement or Crimestoppers with their tips. I don't think they should go to the media with them or to get the hopes up of family members. And I definitely don't think they should go to family members with tips.

But there's nutcases everywhere who think nothing of calling in false tips and sightings, even confessions.

JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

lol, i was also, last night!!!!

that along with how owned the blue van:scared:

Misty has 2 brothers, Tommy & Timmy...Timmy is the one she likes, per her VA testing....

I wonder if Misty drove to PDM Bridge that night and picked up Ron and left his car there-

jmo

[ClimbingRose]

Snipped for space.

I have never heard of LE giving false information to the public while asking for tips in regards to an open case.

Hey, if it turns out that LE tried some strange new way of getting a person to 'crack' then I am very disapointed in LE--this type of game puts Jr. in danger, one child is missing, there is no reason to play this type of game with another's life.


Yes, LE has the legal right, authority and ability to behave in any way that could discover any evidence which would help find any missing child. If it was my child, I would be praying they were using any and all methods within their scope to get any evidence that could bring my baby home.

[Tracian]

BBM

Which is why I'm not a follower of the "Ron is working with LE by marrying Misty to get her to crack and tell where Haleigh is" theory.

Too much can go wrong with that "plan".

JMO



But, LE has the power to protect Jr...if they know Ron is lying, and leaving Jr with Ron, then it falls squarely on LE's shoulders if anything happens to Jr.

And this whole "They wouldn't dare hurt Jr" Nonsense. If Ron and Misty are hiding what one or both of them did to Haleigh, what is to say that Ron would not take out his whole family, then off himself? Or just take out everyone and face the DP...after all, if he did hurt Haleigh, he would be facing it already, and the state can only execute you once.

Again, if LE is playing some weird game with what they know, and Jr is could be in harms way it is a very dangerous game, and Jr should not be the pawn.

[Mel]

According to my stick diagram I believe you are right. Interesting that Timmy's wife is stated in the article commenting most of Misty's family has started distancing themselves from her..Hmmm....Although they have no facts, only suspicions that they fear Misty may be involved with whatever happened to Haleigh.

But that's just only my opinion.

oh, i agree Rose...heck, Tommy's wife, Lindsey (sp?) wants to get out of there also, & can you blame her???....several here have said Misty had other places to go, if she wanted to leave RC, when in actuality everyone's distancing themselves from her....i think this is a good thing; adds more pressure...

good morning Rose:seeya:

[n/t]

lol, i was also, last night!!!!

that along with how owned the blue van:scared:

Misty has 2 brothers, Tommy & Timmy...Timmy is the one she likes, per her VA testing....
also, the above link only confirms, IMO, the van is owned by Timmy & his wife, Chelsea..they now live in MA

there!

So who was at the house that night? Tommy or Timmy?

[Mel]

I wonder if Misty drove to PDM Bridge that night and picked up Ron and left his car there-

jmo

hadn't thought of that, Viva!....maybe while her phone was turned off???

[Tracian]

Yes, LE has the legal right, authority and ability to behave in any way that could discover any evidence which would help find any missing child. If it was my child, I would be praying they were using any and all methods within their scope to get any evidence that could bring my baby home.



So using Jr. is okay? It is okay to keep Jr. in a home that the police strongly suspect that his father is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance?

[Tracian]

I wonder if Misty drove to PDM Bridge that night and picked up Ron and left his car there-

jmo



Picked him up in what?

[Mel]

So who was at the house that night? Tommy or Timmy?

LOL, ya got me there, but i THINK it was Timmy & his kids....i had originally thought it was Tommy, & it might really have been him, but i think it was Timmy.....you're talking about the late afternoon, right?...when Misty said her brother & his kids came over aroun 5'ish?

[Viva4Haleigh]

So using Jr. is okay? It is okay to keep Jr. in a home that the police strongly suspect that his father is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance?

No, its not, and I heard Rons lawyers are going to be helping him with custody issues, so I think Crystal is legally going to try to remove him from the home, and she has pretty good positioning on this one-

jmo

[Lqqkout]

This was posted back in March by Politigal that might help answer your question. :smile:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

Was Joe ever interviewed after returning to TN??

[Viva4Haleigh]

hadn't thought of that, Viva!....maybe while her phone was turned off???

Ok, lets think about this-

Ron stays 3 hours later at his job-

So we know Misty has her phone off, knowing that she has the phone off, he just agrees to work 3 extra hours and doesn't or cant inform Misty? I mean how about her waking up at 3 and being concerned Ron was not home from his shift, that never factors in here-

jmo

[Mel]

ok well...now I'm totally confused.

Who is Tommy? Who is Timmy? Are they the same person? Are they both her brothers?

This article says:

Miller said he believes that's why detectives traveled to Cape Cod. The night Haleigh disappeared, Misty Cummings said Timmy Croslin discovered his van had been used by someone else.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20774307/detail.html

wanted to add....if i'm not mistaken, it was the evening of Feb 10th that Misty called Chelsea crying, something along the line of, 'please tell me you put the scratches on the van' ???....i get the impression that Timmy & Chelsea didn't know about the scratch on their van, until Misty 'noticed' it, & called them about it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4

could be that when LE noticed the van scratched, they asked Misty, & she told them "i don't know"

[n/t]

LOL, ya got me there, but i THINK it was Timmy & his kids....i had originally thought it was Tommy, & it might really have been him, but i think it was Timmy.....you're talking about the late afternoon, right?...when Misty said her brother & his kids came over aroun 5'ish?

Yes. So, Timmy, the one with the van, the one who is in MA was the one at the home. Interesting...and now an alleged sighting of Haleigh an 1 1/2 hour away from where they live.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification. Hope something breaks in this case soon. Haleigh needs to be found!

[?noanswer]

Which one of the Croslin Brother's wife was supposedly moving to Belize when she finished her training in the nursing field? JMO

[?noanswer]

wanted to add....if i'm not mistaken, it was the evening of Feb 10th that Misty called Chelsea crying, something along the line of, 'please tell me you put the scratches on the van' ???....i get the impression that Timmy & Chelsea didn't know about the scratch on their van, until Misty 'noticed' it, & called them about it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4

That report got the names mixed up. It was not Misty she called, but the other brother's wife. JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

Which one of the Croslin Brother's wife was supposedly moving to Belize when she finished her training in the nursing field? JMO

Sounds like a rumor to me, I thought I heard that around the time that one person was making up all those stories to see if people would believe them- jmo

[Lqqkout]

BBM

You can see? How does anyone know what LE is doing? Please inform us as to that?

I wonder why we are still beating a dead horse when there are so many other topics to discuss?. Non productive in my opinion.

[dustyk]

o.k. so now I am totally confused...Ron was at work at 4 but didn't start his shift till 5 and they were suppose to work till midnight (that would only be a 7 hour shift) but worked till 3. hmmm.JMO

[Lqqkout]

I don't know. If they have, it hasn't surfaced. Has anyone from that particular WalMart said they have turned over surveillance tape? Or maybe police have looked at it and spotted right off it wasn't Haleigh. Or maybe it was just a rumored "sighting".

Yeah, I know. Lots of maybes.

JMO

No surveillance tape yet, at least not for public consumption.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Was Joe ever interviewed after returning to TN??


Yes, according to this article police confirm the FBI has talked to Joe.

Also from the article ... A week and a half ago, when police were asked if Joe was a suspect police said, "The one in Tennessee? No, he is not at all." But then later, police changed their comment to no one has been ruled in or out as a suspect. :huh:


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132845&catid=3

[Viva4Haleigh]

o.k. so now I am totally confused...Ron was at work at 4 but didn't start his shift till 5 and they were suppose to work till midnight (that would only be a 7 hour shift) but worked till 3. hmmm.JMO

Also- what time does Haleigh get off the bus? If its 28 miles to his work, what time did he arrive that day?

[Mel]

Ok, lets think about this-

Ron stays 3 hours later at his job-

So we know Misty has her phone off, knowing that she has the phone off, he just agrees to work 3 extra hours and doesn't or cant inform Misty? I mean how about her waking up at 3 and being concerned Ron was not home from his shift, that never factors in here-

jmo

none of it adds up...i try to set myself away from it all, & look in a completely diff light....it still comes out to Misty using that van that night....what IF Timmy did let her use the van, & that's what the calls were about betw her & him, that night...afterall, Timmy's the one she hasn't thrown under the bus yet, that i know of...he's the brother she likes....nothing bad about Timmy...maybe Timmy's fixing to tell LE the truth, that he DID let her use his van...maybe Chelsea didn't even know??
IF this is the case, Timmy needs to spill the beans about that van...jmo

[sickntired]

Come on up. I've plenty for both of us to do, but first need to "pay off the ransom" to get my TV from hostage from a 4 year old. Back soon, I hope.

Eww, that's gonna cost you. :lol:

[Lynn Gweeny]

That report got the names mixed up. It was not Misty she called, but the other brother's wife. JMO

Thanks, ?no. There was so much confusion about who called about the scratches because the video report wasn't clear and appeared to be a snippet of the interview with Chelsea rather than an uncut version, imo.

Just to post again, this is a post by Politigal back in March when she corresponded with Chelsea.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

[Mel]

Or maybe he didn't pass his lie detector test, I mean I cant believe he did especially when he was on TV saying she passed hers with flying colors- they aren't telling him the truth, and there is a reason for that, indicates to me they fed him misinformation because they want him to feel at ease-

jmo

it indicates the same to me...has for awhile, actually....i'm w/you Viva,
i won't say RC will be arrested by the weekend, but IMO, it's going to be soon.....now we have his atty 'padding' some things, & i think that's because it's going to come out that Ron didn't pass his polygraph with "flying colors"....jmo

[Elle]

Ok, lets think about this-

Ron stays 3 hours later at his job-

So we know Misty has her phone off, knowing that she has the phone off, he just agrees to work 3 extra hours and doesn't or cant inform Misty? I mean how about her waking up at 3 and being concerned Ron was not home from his shift, that never factors in here-

jmo

It is quite possible that while he was only scheduled certain hours, that it was not uncommon for him to pick up extra hours. It is also possible that he agreed to those hours before he had this alleged fight with Misty and already informed her. It is also possible he did not have a choice and that maybe he had to stay til he completed his work. So while you have a list of possible nefarious scenarios, there can be those that are innocuous. Did LE release the info as to the hours?

imo

[Mel]

Thanks, ?no. There was so much confusion about who called about the scratches because the video report wasn't clear and appeared to be a snippet of the interview with Chelsea rather than an uncut version, imo.

Just to post again, this is a post by Politigal back in March when she corresponded with Chelsea.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

lol, ok, then i'm back to being totally confused about the van:blink:

i thought Lindsey is Tommy's wife...have i got that backwards????

[~layla~]

Also- what time does Haleigh get off the bus? If its 28 miles to his work, what time did he arrive that day?

I thought he said about 430ish, but I could be wrong.

Also, I wanted to know if anyone has posted a synopsis of the latest theory(ies) about what is known for sure?

I know that is asking a lot, but I have been internet deprived for about 2 months... only using friends when I visit. (My own pc was very sick and costly). Truly not trying to be a pain or too lazy to read.

~peace

[Lqqkout]

Misty also says Timmy Croslin had nothing to do with this, and I believe her considering I am pretty sure she knows what happened to Haleigh-

Wasn't there talk of her babysitting some kids, I think Timmy has kids, it could be they were speaking of that, just speculating, I dont see any Croslins in custody, its not like this is the first time the LE is hearing about the calls between them, its just us that is being let in on that tidbit-


RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`d go with what Gloria just said. A 17-year-old young girl, scared, she calls her brother. He`s right down the street. She may even know that he`s going to respond in an emergency faster than 911 will. I don`t see that`s any inconsistency. I don`t see a problem with it.

GRACE: I want to see Giudice`s face when he says things like that.

GIUDICE: I`ll say it again, and let me just say something. The police...

GRACE: No, please don`t repeat yourself.

GIUDICE: The police have sat on this for eight months. They`ve talked to this brother before. This just didn`t come up today about the phone calls. It`s no bombshell.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

This transcript says LE has talked to Timmy per Guidice. Does anyone remember Timmy being interviewed? I got the impression from GGS that he had not been interviewed. If not, why not?
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=33452@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

[Mel]

Yes. So, Timmy, the one with the van, the one who is in MA was the one at the home. Interesting...and now an alleged sighting of Haleigh an 1 1/2 hour away from where they live.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification. Hope something breaks in this case soon. Haleigh needs to be found!

hold up!...i may be totally off on this now, LOL...see posts just prior to this!

[ann10]

I wonder if Misty drove to PDM Bridge that night and picked up Ron and left his car there-

jmo


hmmm, interesting thought. The phone being turned off is of some importance, imo.

[n/t]

hold up!...i may be totally off on this now, LOL...see posts just prior to this!

The article I posted said Timmy is the one with the van. Either the article is wrong or the poster Politigal misunderstood??

Argh...I wish there weren't so many discrepancies. Good grief.

[dustyk]

Does anyone know who actually picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. I heard Misty say Ronald did but then I heard parents saw Misty in the van with other kids. Did she have the van then and was she already babysitting at that time. If so where was Ronald?JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

I thought he said about 430ish, but I could be wrong.

Also, I wanted to know if anyone has posted a synopsis of the latest theory(ies) about what is known for sure?

I know that is asking a lot, but I have been internet deprived for about 2 months... only using friends when I visit. (My own pc was very sick and costly). Truly not trying to be a pain or too lazy to read.

~peace

Well, Misty was given a bunch of tests by TES, and she failed everything, including, do you know what happened to Haleigh- Ron is standing by her,and together they are shunning Tim Miller- his work hours are all over the map, the day Haleigh went missing he went in 45 min early, and stayed 3 hours later, and his lawyer said last night he has not been cleared, and has moved to the top of the list to the bottom-

Ronald allegedly beat up Mistys brother and is charged with two felony counts-

I am sure some can add more-

[Mel]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090909/ARTICLES/909091005/1002?Title=Agency-Silent-Over-Interviews-in-Haleigh-Case

Croslin-Cummings made statements that her brother had been acting strangely after the girl vanished.

Last week, the Sheriff's Office confirmed investigators had interviewed Croslin-Cummings' brother, Timothy Croslin, based on comments his sister made during lie-detector and voice-stress tests.

& he's the brother she had nothing bad to say about...

[Lqqkout]

So using Jr. is okay? It is okay to keep Jr. in a home that the police strongly suspect that his father is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance?

Ronald Cummings is NOT a suspect. I think I'll put that as my signature.

[Elle]

Or maybe he didn't pass his lie detector test, I mean I cant believe he did especially when he was on TV saying she passed hers with flying colors- they aren't telling him the truth, and there is a reason for that, indicates to me they fed him misinformation because they want him to feel at ease-

jmo

Have you seriously entertained any scenario where Ron is not complicit? Is your biggest indicator of Rons guilt in his marrying Misty? I imagine other things have factored into your deciding Ron's guilt, but to what degree did that influence your opinion? If he had not married her, where would you stand?

[SleepyHallow]

Wonder if it came through Crime Stoppers where the tips are "anonymous".
No, they said on NG that the supposed tips were called into the news media, not LE. :rolleyes:

That answers it all for me.

[Viva4Haleigh]

hmmm, interesting thought. The phone being turned off is of some importance, imo.

And Ron could have left his phone in his car, and that would give the appearance he was at PDM, even if he wasn't-

jmo


SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

[Mel]

I thought he said about 430ish, but I could be wrong.

Also, I wanted to know if anyone has posted a synopsis of the latest theory(ies) about what is known for sure?

I know that is asking a lot, but I have been internet deprived for about 2 months... only using friends when I visit. (My own pc was very sick and costly). Truly not trying to be a pain or too lazy to read.

~peace

lots & lots of theories layla, but unfortunately there's no threads for theories here...none that i've seen anyway, unless they're from the beginning of the case.....& there's really nothing "known for sure", right now, except Misty Croslin has failed multiple tests (polygraph, voice analysis, interviews, etc...) from the beginning....RC's work hours are still up in the air..it's anybody's guess what hours he was actually at PDM, at this time....

sorry , i'm not much help, but welcome back:seeya:

(Layla is one of my all time fave tunes, btw)

[Mel]

I thought it was Tommy that was supposedly acting strangely. And how would Misty and/or Ron know what strange or normal behavior is!

that's what Misty said, you're right....she had nothing but good things to say about Timmy, the one up in MA now...

[sickntired]

i've been confused about that also...this link was posted last night...i had never seen it before..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4

this leads me to believe the van is actually owned by Chelsea & Timmy????....but then at one point, Chelsea talks about "her van", meaning Misty....either way, i THINK the actual owners are Chelsea & Timmy....(again, someone correct me if i'm wrong, LOL...i'm trying to piece together more on this dang van!!)


It seems to me that Chelsea is saying that the van is Misty's. :confused:

[Viva4Haleigh]

Have you seriously entertained any scenario where Ron is not complicit? Is your biggest indicator of Rons guilt in his marrying Misty? I imagine other things have factored into your deciding Ron's guilt, but to what degree did that influence your opinion? If he had not married her, where would you stand?

Marriage here is the least of my concerns, but its not about me, and yes, I have factored in other scenarios and looked into other options, and I arrived at the conclusion Ron is in this up to his eyeballs, and I am not alone-
jmo

[Tracian]

Ronald Cummings is NOT a suspect. I think I'll put that as my signature.


I understand that, I am trying to understand the logic that LE would lie to everyone, and allow Jr to remain in the house with someone they suspect of harming Haleigh.

[Elle]

Marriage here is the least of my concerns, but its not about me, and yes, I have factored in other scenarios and looked into other options, and I arrived at the conclusion Ron is in this up to his eyeballs, and I am not alone-
jmo

I did not say you are alone, and I agree this is not about you. I was simply attempting to understand your position.

[Lqqkout]

Last week, the Sheriff's Office confirmed investigators had interviewed Croslin-Cummings' brother, Timothy Croslin, based on comments his sister made during lie-detector and voice-stress tests.

& he's the brother she had nothing bad to say about...

I know, but he is the one she called that fateful night..

[~layla~]

Well, Misty was given a bunch of tests by TES, and she failed everything, including, do you know what happened to Haleigh- Ron is standing by her,and together they are shunning Tim Miller- his work hours are all over the map, the day Haleigh went missing he went in 45 min early, and stayed 3 hours later, and his lawyer said last night he has not been cleared, and has moved to the top of the list to the bottom-

Ronald allegedly beat up Mistys brother and is charged with two felony counts-

I am sure some can add more-

Thank you.

I have an idea with domestic violence in the mix, there will be some very blank spaces.

(Why I say this is, when I was abused by my ex, kids were around also, but everyone in the house knew better than to say a word, or it got worse.)

So in thinking that line of thought, maybe all the members of that family know, keep your mouth shut, it can get worse.
I really dont think Ron did anything to his daughter, but there may have been some jealousy from Misty because Haliegh will always be number one in his eyes.

just my 2 cents.

I am very curious about the marriage, being was done to protect each other, but not from this missing child stuff, but the life they lived. I do believe that those to are drug users and abusers, but not necessarily addicts. Which to those of us who understand addiction, get the difference in users/abusers of something, and addictions. Addictions would lead them to tell, because Im sure LE promised them the best stuff available if they will just talk.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I know, but he is the one she called that fateful night..

If her phone was shut off until 3am, what time did she call, because if it was before 8:30, is it against the law to call her brother or something? Were the times given where she called the brother? Could they have talked about a possible babysitting job?

[Lqqkout]

Yes, according to this article police confirm the FBI has talked to Joe.

Also from the article ... A week and a half ago, when police were asked if Joe was a suspect police said, "The one in Tennessee? No, he is not at all." But then later, police changed their comment to no one has been ruled in or out as a suspect. :huh:


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132845&catid=3

Ok, thanks Lynne.

[~layla~]

lots & lots of theories layla, but unfortunately there's no threads for theories here...none that i've seen anyway, unless they're from the beginning of the case.....& there's really nothing "known for sure", right now, except Misty Croslin has failed multiple tests (polygraph, voice analysis, interviews, etc...) from the beginning....RC's work hours are still up in the air..it's anybody's guess what hours he was actually at PDM, at this time....

sorry , i'm not much help, but welcome back:seeya:

(Layla is one of my all time fave tunes, btw)

Hi Mel
thanks for the wb.
Im so lost without the internet. :blushing:

Okay so then I am up to speed. Apparently this case is moving at a snails pace.
As for them whining and griping about TES/Tim et al, bahhhhhhhh hogwash.. its something to divert attn. It isnt working.

and as for my nic... mine too... and its my ringtone. LOL
(didnt get to name one of my kids that so I name everything else)

[Mel]

The article I posted said Timmy is the one with the van. Either the article is wrong or the poster Politigal misunderstood??
Argh...I wish there weren't so many discrepancies. Good grief.

yeah, one of the two.....i thought i had the van all straight in my head, lol...guess not

[Viva4Haleigh]

Thank you.

I have an idea with domestic violence in the mix, there will be some very blank spaces.

(Why I say this is, when I was abused by my ex, kids were around also, but everyone in the house knew better than to say a word, or it got worse.)

So in thinking that line of thought, maybe all the members of that family know, keep your mouth shut, it can get worse.
I really dont think Ron did anything to his daughter, but there may have been some jealousy from Misty because Haliegh will always be number one in his eyes.

just my 2 cents.

I am very curious about the marriage, being was done to protect each other, but not from this missing child stuff, but the life they lived. I do believe that those to are drug users and abusers, but not necessarily addicts. Which to those of us who understand addiction, get the difference in users/abusers of something, and addictions. Addictions would lead them to tell, because Im sure LE promised them the best stuff available if they will just talk.

Yeah, I have never really looked too far into the marriage because I think it was just done as Mistys mom said, because people were giving them trouble, and I just assumed it was the age thing- Maybe it really is love though, I mean something has to be there for him to stand behind her even though her tests indicate she is aware of what happened to his daughter-

jmo

[ann10]

If her phone was shut off until 3am, what time did she call, because if it was before 8:30, is it against the law to call her brother or something? Were the times given where she called the brother? Could they have talked about a possible babysitting job?


Well, even if her cell was off, couldn't she have called him from a land line? Did they not have one?

[Mel]

It seems to me that Chelsea is saying that the van is Misty's. :confused:

i know!!!!....i wish i hadn't even got 'stuck' on this damn van now!!!...i'm going to clear my head of it for now..i thought it was something important, like maybe Misty really DID use it that night, no matter where it was parked at the time....heck, i still can't get the wives' names straight:laugh:

[Lqqkout]

No, they said on NG that the supposed tips were called into the news media, not LE. :rolleyes:

That answers it all for me.

This is not true. The tip was called into the police.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Well, even if her cell was off, couldn't she have called him from a land line? Did they not have one?

I dont think they did, only cell phones- but not sure-

jmo

[Lqqkout]

It is quite possible that while he was only scheduled certain hours, that it was not uncommon for him to pick up extra hours. It is also possible that he agreed to those hours before he had this alleged fight with Misty and already informed her. It is also possible he did not have a choice and that maybe he had to stay til he completed his work. So while you have a list of possible nefarious scenarios, there can be those that are innocuous. Did LE release the info as to the hours?

imo

ITA...:thumbsup: An open mind is always an informed mind.

[Lqqkout]

Have you seriously entertained any scenario where Ron is not complicit? Is your biggest indicator of Rons guilt in his marrying Misty? I imagine other things have factored into your deciding Ron's guilt, but to what degree did that influence your opinion? If he had not married her, where would you stand?


By the way, Elle. I really like your signature, just noticed it..

[Mel]

I know, but he is the one she called that fateful night..

right, but we don't know what time that was, or what the call was about...i get the feeling Timmy's the brother she really loves, the one she really cares about, & doesn't want him drug into this...(i could be way off base though)....just doesn't feel like Timmy's involved, imo

[Mel]

I dont think they did, only cell phones- but not sure-

jmo

i'd be surprised if they had a 'real' phone in the home, what with her having a cell & RC having one also...seems like a huge waste of money, imo, but i guess it's possible

[Motomom]

But, LE has the power to protect Jr...if they know Ron is lying, and leaving Jr with Ron, then it falls squarely on LE's shoulders if anything happens to Jr.

And this whole "They wouldn't dare hurt Jr" Nonsense. If Ron and Misty are hiding what one or both of them did to Haleigh, what is to say that Ron would not take out his whole family, then off himself? Or just take out everyone and face the DP...after all, if he did hurt Haleigh, he would be facing it already, and the state can only execute you once.

Again, if LE is playing some weird game with what they know, and Jr is could be in harms way it is a very dangerous game, and Jr should not be the pawn.

Tracian, my personal opinion are some are grasping at straws. It was asked repeatedly yesterday what cases LE lied to the public for months, none were posted. You bring JR into the mix and it makes even less sense that LE would lie to the public IMO. They have no problem asking the public for info on Misty, they could just as easily ask for info on Ron. LE is satisfied with Ron and that's more than my opinion, it is what LE has said. They have no reason to lie and if it were all lies.. 7 months worth of lies, they need new LE IMO. The minute Ron is being looked at as a suspect or a poi, we will know about it IMO. Unless LE is scared of Ron like some think.. which is just ridiculous imo.

[Motomom]

wanted to add....if i'm not mistaken, it was the evening of Feb 10th that Misty called Chelsea crying, something along the line of, 'please tell me you put the scratches on the van' ???....i get the impression that Timmy & Chelsea didn't know about the scratch on their van, until Misty 'noticed' it, & called them about it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4

could be that when LE noticed the van scratched, they asked Misty, & she told them "i don't know"

The van was checked and released with no evidence found though right? Wonder how clean the van was. How many days after Haleighs disappearance was the van taken, anyone know?

[Tracian]

i'd be surprised if they had a 'real' phone in the home, what with her having a cell & RC having one also...seems like a huge waste of money, imo, but i guess it's possible

More and more people are using only cell phones and giving up land lines.

[Mel]

No, they said on NG that the supposed tips were called into the news media, not LE. :rolleyes:

That answers it all for me.

ah, ok....same here

like i thought originally; it was to throw LE off, imo

[teresa]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090909/ARTICLES/909091005/1002?Title=Agency-Silent-Over-Interviews-in-Haleigh-Case

Croslin-Cummings made statements that her brother had been acting strangely after the girl vanished.

I think that paper is confused on Timmy/Tommy. It was Tommy that she said was acting strangely, not Timmy. The first part of the article is about them talking to Timmy "over the weekend" and then they throw in the comments Misty made and said they questioned Timmy because of those comments but should have said Tommy.

I think all these reporters should let us proof their articles before they put them out.

ETA - sorry Titan, should have known you'd catch that.

[Mel]

And Ron could have left his phone in his car, and that would give the appearance he was at PDM, even if he wasn't-

jmo


SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

well, DUH!!!! .... tell us something we don't know already

[Mel]

The van was checked and released with no evidence found though right? Wonder how clean the van was. How many days after Haleighs disappearance was the van taken, anyone know?

i think the van was taken within the first 24-48 hours...i think it was Misty's first interview, she mentions LE taking it..

[Motomom]

I understand that, I am trying to understand the logic that LE would lie to everyone, and allow Jr to remain in the house with someone they suspect of harming Haleigh.

They wouldn't Tracian imo.. We are suppose to believe that LE puts no value in Jr's life? Amazing that some think that way. JMO

[Mel]

More and more people are using only cell phones and giving up land lines.

right...i'd be surprised if they had a land line in the home

[CC I See]

I dont think they did, only cell phones- but not sure-

jmo

Probably right on this one...why would they need three phones. If there had been a lined phone then turning off the cell phone would accomplish nothing and why not use the lined phone and save minutes. Especially if there was a long argument going on. Of course they could have an unlimited cell phone plan.... which it then wouldn't matter. But also wouldn't need the lined phone either unless it was used for Internet access ... if they had it that is.

[Motomom]

i think the van was taken within the first 24-48 hours...i think it was Misty's first interview, she mentions LE taking it..

Who knows.. back when she was talking about the van originally.. them taking it I think there was confusion even then about what van.. I remember some thought she was talking about a crimescene van or something. Cause didn't she say something about the blanket is in the van they took?

[Motomom]

Probably right on this one...why would they need three phones. If there had been a lined phone then turning off the cell phone would accomplish nothing and why not use the lined phone and save minutes. Especially if there was a long argument going on. Of course they could have an unlimited cell phone plan.... which it then wouldn't matter. But also wouldn't need the lined phone either unless it was used for Internet access ... if they had it that is.

I don't know.. We still have a land line here. I know a few people that don't, and some (like me) who can't give it up LOL.

[Mel]

The van was checked and released with no evidence found though right? Wonder how clean the van was. How many days after Haleighs disappearance was the van taken, anyone know?

no, no one knows

[ann10]

Probably right on this one...why would they need three phones. If there had been a lined phone then turning off the cell phone would accomplish nothing and why not use the lined phone and save minutes. Especially if there was a long argument going on. Of course they could have an unlimited cell phone plan.... which it then wouldn't matter. But also wouldn't need the lined phone either unless it was used for Internet access ... if they had it that is.

Assuming that Misty is guilty of something, the importance of the cell being turned off is it implies that she purposely turned it off to avoid 'pings'.

If my cell is turned off, isn't it impossible for my location to be detected by way of a 'ping'?

[seeker]

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Ron-Cummings-gives-account-of-night-Haleigh-Cummings-disappeared-speaks-about-Misty-Croslin


Ron Cummings gives account of night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, speaks about Misty Croslin

Thanks for the links, Everyone,

The Examiner article that Viva liked to has a new version of where the children were sleeping-or just a resurrected one, as far as I can tell.

I did not watch Ronald and his lawyer, Shoemaker on Nancy Grace, but does this reporter have it right? Is this how Ron described it on air the other night? Did he mention, in that interview, where Misty slept? What about Haleigh sleeping alone in the little bed, while Jr. slept with Misty in the big bed?

Any feedback would be great.

[willow]

Guess TN got it wrong when she said her son had been cleared=


GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

This is what I would like to know, why did LE have Ron at the top of the list? What made LE move him to the bottom of the list and when did he get moved to the bottom of the list?

P.S. I am am sure I am not the only one, but I have noticed that Ron and Misty's attorneys are making some changes with Ron and Misty. I mean, nice clothes, Misty's hair down, etc. I know this is not important to the case, it is just something that I have been noticing.

[ClimbingRose]

They wouldn't Tracian imo.. We are suppose to believe that LE puts no value in Jr's life? Amazing that some think that way. JMO

No even insinuating that LE would do this is.....well best not said. If Jr. is in that home I would think several safety measures have been put into placed. Jr. also has counseling which allows professionals to monitor his safety.

[panache]

Thanks for the links, Everyone,

The Examiner article that Viva liked to has a new version of where the children were sleeping-or just a resurrected one, as far as I can tell.

I did not watch Ronald and his lawyer, Shoemaker on Nancy Grace, but does this reporter have it right? Is this how Ron described it on air the other night? Did he mention, in that interview, where Misty slept? What about Haleigh sleeping alone in the little bed, while Jr. slept with Misty in the big bed?

Any feedback would be great.



Hi seeker

This is the original first report of that night, spelling errors and all.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

[CC I See]

This is what I would like to know, why did LE have Ron at the top of the list? What made LE move him to the bottom of the list and when did he get moved to the bottom of the list?

P.S. I am am sure I am not the only one, but I have noticed that Ron and Misty's attorneys are making some changes with Ron and Misty. I mean, nice clothes, Misty's hair down, etc. I know this is not important to the case, it is just something that I have been noticing.

BBM

You mean to make them more "user friendly" or less likely to be considered suspects?

[EMAA]

This is what I would like to know, why did LE have Ron at the top of the list? What made LE move him to the bottom of the list and when did he get moved to the bottom of the list?

P.S. I am am sure I am not the only one, but I have noticed that Ron and Misty's attorneys are making some changes with Ron and Misty. I mean, nice clothes, Misty's hair down, etc. I know this is not important to the case, it is just something that I have been noticing.

IMO it would mean that he is becoming less and less a suspect. I would think those at the top of the list are the ones they are honing in on.

[Motomom]

Assuming that Misty is guilty of something, the importance of the cell being turned off is it implies that she purposely turned it off to avoid 'pings'.

If my cell is turned off, isn't it impossible for my location to be detected by way of a 'ping'?

I don't think Misty would have thought about pings if she was in the midst of harming Haleigh or allowing Haleigh to be taken. Maybe she's smarter than I think though.

[Motomom]

This is what I would like to know, why did LE have Ron at the top of the list? What made LE move him to the bottom of the list and when did he get moved to the bottom of the list?

P.S. I am am sure I am not the only one, but I have noticed that Ron and Misty's attorneys are making some changes with Ron and Misty. I mean, nice clothes, Misty's hair down, etc. I know this is not important to the case, it is just something that I have been noticing.

Family is usually at the top of the list when a crime occurs aren't they?

As to your PS.. much like kp attempted to do with Crystal.. I agree. Plus when they go on these shows, they tend to hook them up with some makeup lol.

[ClimbingRose]

That report got the names mixed up. It was not Misty she called, but the other brother's wife. JMO

IIRC Misty called one of the sil very concerned about that scratch.

[SleepyHallow]

This is not true. The tip was called into the police.
It is true according to Nancy Grace. Maybe the news media that originally got the tip called LE after, but it was called in to media outlets FIRST.

[ann10]

I don't think Misty would have thought about pings if she was in the midst of harming Haleigh or allowing Haleigh to be taken. Maybe she's smarter than I think though.

I was thinking more along the lines of concealing what may have already happened. I am of the belief that something happened that day, before Ron went to work. imo.

[Lynn Gweeny]

The van was checked and released with no evidence found though right? Wonder how clean the van was. How many days after Haleighs disappearance was the van taken, anyone know?

Only this Motomom:

A vehicle was seized and processed, said Dominick Pape, chief of the Jacksonville office of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Pape would not release other information about the vehicle other than to say it was taken early in the investigation.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back


Van Seized in Haleigh Case Returned
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179&catid=3

[Mel]

This is what I would like to know, why did LE have Ron at the top of the list? What made LE move him to the bottom of the list and when did he get moved to the bottom of the list?

P.S. I am am sure I am not the only one, but I have noticed that Ron and Misty's attorneys are making some changes with Ron and Misty. I mean, nice clothes, Misty's hair down, etc. I know this is not important to the case, it is just something that I have been noticing.

yes, willow...i noticed the 'clean up' of RC & his wife, last week...like trying to make them 'look' to be, i don't know how to say it, but like trying to make them look good for a jury (the public).... there's a reason for that, imo....

i think LE had RC & Misty at the top of the list, from day one, simply because they are the people Haleigh lived with....i don't think it's changed any either...jmo

[Motomom]

No even insinuating that LE would do this is.....well best not said. If Jr. is in that home I would think several safety measures have been put into placed. Jr. also has counseling which allows professionals to monitor his safety.

IF? He is in that home. Yet some are doing just that..insinuating because if we are to believe the LE is looking at Ron and lying to the public for some 7 months.. then we are to believe that they have allowed, a 4 yr old child to remain in that home right? A counselor cannot monitor his safety.

[seeker]

They wouldn't Tracian imo.. We are suppose to believe that LE puts no value in Jr's life? Amazing that some think that way. JMO

I just read this and haven't followed your entire conversation, Motomom and Tracian

It probably was a case of LE handing this matter over to DCF, as they are charged with investigating the safety of children in their homes. Of course, there were Crystal and her mom begging for their son (and grandson) to be protected once HaLeigh vanished. DCF became again involved in Ron's life with these two little children, now minus one.

DCF Failed in their duty to protect Junior (and Haleigh); then and now.

My opinion, my very strong feelings about this.

[Mel]

Only this Motomom:

A vehicle was seized and processed, said Dominick Pape, chief of the Jacksonville office of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Pape would not release other information about the vehicle other than to say it was taken early in the investigation.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back


Van Seized in Haleigh Case Returned
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179&catid=3

thanks Lynn...i think it was taken within 24-48 hours of the 911 call...

[ClimbingRose]

In my opinion the blue van does not belong to Misty; how could she own a vehicle without a drivers license?

I thought we talked about this article when it first came out and we firgured the media got that wrong.

Since Tommy has the van now I would think he or his parent are the ones who own it; Timmy was also using it.


My thoughts and opinions

Considering the fact that media tend to produce so much confusion I'll try to some point go back over the van info. Does anyone have some good advice for searching thru the internet that bypasses some of the unrelated information that pops up.

[HouseOfClark]

So using Jr. is okay? It is okay to keep Jr. in a home that the police strongly suspect that his father is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance?

The police aren't using Jr. They're not the ones who tell people they married someone to "keep their enemies close". This is why I don't think this is an "LE sanctioned" plan.

I don't know that the police strongly suspect Misty of actually harming Haleigh either, just that her stories don't add up. I think the most right now they suspect her of is possibly leaving the house.

But they don't have concrete evidence that that happened either so they continue to ask questions about Misty's whereabouts.

I have no doubt if LE had proof that 1) Haleigh was murdered inside that house; and that 2) Either Ron or Misty committed it; - Jr. would not be left with either one of them.

JMO

[Motomom]

I was thinking more along the lines of concealing what may have already happened. I am of the belief that something happened that day, before Ron went to work. imo.

Gotcha. Well it's a good thing Haleigh was seen alive after Ron went to work then.

[Texas48]

NG said it was a credible tip. She said that about a lot of the Caylee sightings too. I wouldn't believe it was credible unless LE said it was and IF it was, I think they would have spent more time on it, don't you?

JMO
Good morning HOC and all....
but you do have to admit....it was/is a glimmer of hope..right..?

[Mel]

I was thinking more along the lines of concealing what may have already happened. I am of the belief that something happened that day, before Ron went to work. imo.

good point, & i agree..

[Texas48]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5177781.php

Interview with Lindsey Croslin. JMO
TY for the link ?no and..as always..good to see ya...

[ann10]

Gotcha. Well it's a good thing Haleigh was seen alive after Ron went to work then.

Oh, I didn't realize that. Was she seen by the Croslin brother and family?

[Motomom]

Considering the fact that media tend to produce so much confusion I'll try to some point go back over the van info. Does anyone have some good advice for searching thru the internet that bypasses some of the unrelated information that pops up.

When you google, use quotes and the plus signs..that's all the advice I have LOL. I remember there was a better article than that short one that was posted, which was dated 3/19.. I thought they had the van for about 2 weeks but maybe not. Could always try the old links from around that time.

[CC I See]

yes, willow...i noticed the 'clean up' of RC & his wife, last week...like trying to make them 'look' to be, i don't know how to say it, but like trying to make them look good for a jury (the public).... there's a reason for that, imo....

i think LE had RC & Misty at the top of the list, from day one, simply because they are the people Haleigh lived with....i don't think it's changed any either...jmo

BBM

Did you also notice the clean-up Crystal went through for the Nancy Grace Show....? What were they trying to do with her?

[HouseOfClark]

In my opinion the blue van does not belong to Misty; how could she own a vehicle without a drivers license?

I thought we talked about this article when it first came out and we firgured the media got that wrong.

Since Tommy has the van now I would think he or his parent are the ones who own it; Timmy was also using it.


My thoughts and opinions

It is my understanding that Misty does not own the van. However, Chelsea (or was it Lindsy?) said that everyone in the family uses that van whenever they need it - and that included Misty.

JMO

[dustyk]

BBM

Did you also notice the clean-up Crystal went through for the Nancy Grace Show....? What were they trying to do with her?
Imo she doesn't need a clean up she has that sort of natural beauty. Does anyone know if Misty was indeed already in that van that day when neighbors say she picked up Haleigh from the bus stop. JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

BBM

Did you also notice the clean-up Crystal went through for the Nancy Grace Show....? What were they trying to do with her?

I dont know if its so much a clean up, or knowing you are going to be on TV, so try to look nice, imo- She didn't have any lawyers with her-

jmo

[W_D_1]

So who was at the house that night? Tommy or Timmy?



Tommy was at the house that day. He and Lindsy own the van but Tim and Chelsea had borrowed it. After Haleigh disappeared Lindsy called Chelsea and asked her if she put the scratch on the van. That call was attributed to Misty but Lindsy cleared it up in an interview later.

[HouseOfClark]

Good morning HOC and all....
but you do have to admit....it was/is a glimmer of hope..right..?

True that.

But I got burned out with the Caylee sightings (and NG's deeming them credible when the photos didn't even look like her.) Sigh.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Exclusive: Misty and Ronald Cummings in court

Misty and Ronald Cummings appeared in court Wednesday morning fighting a battle to insure Misty's brother, Hank Croslin, Jr., stays away from her.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Exclusive-Misty-and-Ronald-Cummings-in-court/gqJzYDaKEUOcDezqLUlMFQ.cspx

[Motomom]

I dont know if its so much a clean up, or knowing you are going to be on TV, so try to look nice, imo- She didn't have any lawyers with her-

jmo

Nancy Graces makeup artist did that to Crystal.. and she looked very nice..that night.

[teresa]

Misty got her TRO made permanent

A judge ordered Croslin to stay at least 500 feet from Cummings, make no contact with her and told him he can never own a gun. A temporary restraining order with similar guidelines had previously been filed, but Cummings fought to make it permanent.

Also, her mama is on the news tonight throwing her under the bus with the rest of the family.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Exclusive-Misty-and-Ronald-Cummings-in-court/gqJzYDaKEUOcDezqLUlMFQ.cspx

Dang you Lynn!! :)

[W_D_1]

Also- what time does Haleigh get off the bus? If its 28 miles to his work, what time did he arrive that day?


It isn't 28 miles to PDM, it's 28 minutes per Mapquest.

[HouseOfClark]

Oh, I didn't realize that. Was she seen by the Croslin brother and family?

According to Capt. Schauland, she was seen by a neighbor "earlier in the evening".

[Peaches]

This is what I would like to know, why did LE have Ron at the top of the list? What made LE move him to the bottom of the list and when did he get moved to the bottom of the list?

P.S. I am am sure I am not the only one, but I have noticed that Ron and Misty's attorneys are making some changes with Ron and Misty. I mean, nice clothes, Misty's hair down, etc. I know this is not important to the case, it is just something that I have been noticing.


That is what all attorneys do............did you not notice that Crystal had her hair down and nice clothes on when being interviewed after KP. Also, I noticed that her hair was highlighted and her nail had been manicured. Nothing wrong with this. moo

[HouseOfClark]

Misty got her TRO made permanent

A judge ordered Croslin to stay at least 500 feet from Cummings, make no contact with her and told him he can never own a gun. A temporary restraining order with similar guidelines had previously been filed, but Cummings fought to make it permanent.

Also, her mama is on the news tonight throwing her under the bus with the rest of the family.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Exclusive-Misty-and-Ronald-Cummings-in-court/gqJzYDaKEUOcDezqLUlMFQ.cspx

Dang you Lynn!! :)

No matter how anyone feels about Lisa Croslin, it has to be difficult for her for two of her children, who heretofore lived together and were close to now be at each other's throats.

JMO

[seeker]

Gotcha. Well it's a good thing Haleigh was seen alive after Ron went to work then.

Since that is so crucial, wouldn't it seem prudent to assume that the agencies investigating this crime are not releasing to ANYONE, Ron's ACTUAL TIMES AT THE JOB SITE in the hours of Feb. 9-10, 2009?

[Mel]

BBM

Did you also notice the clean-up Crystal went through for the Nancy Grace Show....? What were they trying to do with her?

Crystal cleaned up early on....(maybe w/KP's help)...no one expects anyone that's got a child missing, to be in the media, all dolled up with make up anyway....but after this length of time, with atty's involved, there's a reason....they're getting ready for something...jmo

[panache]

Misty got her TRO made permanent

A judge ordered Croslin to stay at least 500 feet from Cummings, make no contact with her and told him he can never own a gun. A temporary restraining order with similar guidelines had previously been filed, but Cummings fought to make it permanent.

Also, her mama is on the news tonight throwing her under the bus with the rest of the family.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Exclusive-Misty-and-Ronald-Cummings-in-court/gqJzYDaKEUOcDezqLUlMFQ.cspx

Dang you Lynn!! :)

Ut oh.....Who is Misty going to call if she ever needs help? She's completely alienated herself from her family now.

moo

[Lqqkout]

It is true according to Nancy Grace. Maybe the news media that originally got the tip called LE after, but it was called in to media outlets FIRST.

Yes, you are correct. I apologize for stating something as fact when it was not. The tipster called The Cape Cod Times and asked them to call the police.

[CC I See]

That is what all attorneys do............did you not notice that Crystal had her hair down and nice clothes on when being interviewed after KP. Also, I noticed that her hair was highlighted and her nail had been manicured. Nothing wrong with this. moo

You are right... several members of that extended family are going through a clean-up besides just Ron and Misty. Nothing wrong with this and isn't due to how they would look to a future jury like what was suggested.

Maybe they think a change in image will keep the focus on Haleigh and that they intend to stay in front of the camera prompting them to do so.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Ut oh.....Who is Misty going to call if she ever needs help? She's completely alienated herself from her family now.

moo

Thats how some abusers work, getting their victim to alienate their families- Now Ron has her pretty much to himself!

Sad-

jmo

[Motomom]

Crystal cleaned up early on....(maybe w/KP's help)...no one expects anyone that's got a child missing, to be in the media, all dolled up with make up anyway....but after this length of time, with atty's involved, there's a reason....they're getting ready for something...jmo

LOL.. more predictions I see. Love those predictions. You don't think it could be something as simple as... get dressed cause you're going on NG?

[Mel]

Oh, I didn't realize that. Was she seen by the Croslin brother and family?

it's never been mentioned...also, what, if anything the AC guy saw/heard that day

[Mel]

LOL.. more predictions I see. Love those predictions. You don't think it could be something as simple as... get dressed cause you're going on NG?

yes, i have predictions:thumbup:

[teresa]

No matter how anyone feels about Lisa Croslin, it has to be difficult for her for two of her children, who heretofore lived together and were close to now be at each other's throats.

JMO

I'm sure that's true House. I can't give her any credit for how she raised her kids though.

IMO, Lindsy is the only one with a lick of sense. She's gone to school and become a nurse. With her grandfather's help, she bought a home and a van. It looks to me like the rest of the family mooches off of her.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I'm sure that's true House. I can't give her any credit for how she raised her kids though.

IMO, Lindsy is the only one with a lick of sense. She's gone to school and become a nurse. With her grandfather's help, she bought a home and a van. It looks to me like the rest of the family mooches off of her.

How about how TN raised her two kids, both have rap sheets a mile long- so I dont see anyone here getting any kind of mothering award- I dont think thats really the point, I think the point is to find Haleigh-

jmo

[Lqqkout]

Misty got her TRO made permanent

A judge ordered Croslin to stay at least 500 feet from Cummings, make no contact with her and told him he can never own a gun. A temporary restraining order with similar guidelines had previously been filed, but Cummings fought to make it permanent.

Also, her mama is on the news tonight throwing her under the bus with the rest of the family.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Exclusive-Misty-and-Ronald-Cummings-in-court/gqJzYDaKEUOcDezqLUlMFQ.cspx

Dang you Lynn!! :)

Teresa, were is the red part found? thx

[Texas48]

I do not know why they cannot say Ron and Crystal are 'cleared' other than the explanation given by the lawyers last night. I do understand how Ron marrying Misty has raised many eyebrows, personally, I do not understand it myself, that said, I do not believe he has anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh. What do you think could be the reason they have not 'cleared' Crystal?
That question is not meant to instigate an argument, I ask seriously.BBM
None of us like to *instigate* an argument when we ask the same question Elle....and some of us ask or at least TRY and ask....many have NOT been *cleared* IMO..
Chad G..and Chad Reynolds comes to mind......K. Johns is never discussed as many times as I have brought up his name...
I don't understand or agree with several things Ron has done since HaLeigh has gone missing but I don't believe he harmed his baby girl...
From the minute he arrived home and found HaLeigh gone I think his entire world was and is turned upside down....so I hate to *Judge* on his actions alone...I certainly don't know what I would do or what I would say or how I would act...
Just my thoughts :sad:

[W_D_1]

Thats how some abusers work, getting their victim to alienate their families- Now Ron has her pretty much to himself!

Sad-

jmo


A judge ruled that the order be made permanent. Apparently there was evidence to support that ruling but let's ignore that so that you can make Ron guilty.

[Tracian]

Thats how some abusers work, getting their victim to alienate their families- Now Ron has her pretty much to himself!

Sad-

jmo

Oh, right, the court was snookered by Ron and Misty.

[Motomom]

I believe per CW this subject is off limits. DCF has ruled; nothing found.

How many times are you going to push your agenda on this, even with all of CW's warnings?


My thoughts and opinions....(oh yeah...very strong)

It is suppose to be off limits Jacki, I wouldn't have seen that post had you not quoted it either :sneaky:

[Peaches]

Crystal cleaned up early on....(maybe w/KP's help)...no one expects anyone that's got a child missing, to be in the media, all dolled up with make up anyway....but after this length of time, with atty's involved, there's a reason....they're getting ready for something...jmo


Mel, I think you are correct.

My hope/wish/prayer is that they will somehow someone will find HaLeigh and bring that precious baby home.

Someone knows something..........It is time to come clean!

BTW.........I do not think for one minute Ronald knows what happened to his baby girl.

[Elle]

That is what all attorneys do............did you not notice that Crystal had her hair down and nice clothes on when being interviewed after KP. Also, I noticed that her hair was highlighted and her nail had been manicured. Nothing wrong with this. moo

I don't see a problem with it either seeing as there are always those ready to pounce on a persons appearance. They all were guided imo as to how to dress while on tv... it is my opinion that some will view the reasons as different for Ron and Misty than for Crystal. Ron will get 'made over' to not look as 'guilty' while Crystal, well Crystal will just want to be pretty.

imoo

[Tracian]

A judge ruled that the order be made permanent. Apparently there was evidence to support that ruling but let's ignore that so that you can make Ron guilty.



Amazing isn't it? I thought when a woman claims she was assaulted it is always the truth.

[teresa]

Ut oh.....Who is Misty going to call if she ever needs help? She's completely alienated herself from her family now.

moo

And Lisa speaking out will probably mean she is the next one to be questioned. If they all turn on each other, I don't care if it gets answers about Haleigh. If she knows something, she shouldn't have waited until she got mad at Misty to tell it.

[Motomom]

yes, i have predictions:thumbup:

How many have come true so far? I love predictions myself, we've seen numerous ones posted here..only I guess if it doesn't come true, they are false ones. I don't think I could make any predictions in this case...Hopefully soon we won't need to, hopefully soon the right people are held accountable for what has happened..

[Lqqkout]

It isn't 28 miles to PDM, it's 28 minutes per Mapquest.

Ron's lawyer actually said it took Ron 16 minutes to drive to work.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Haleigh Cummings Update - 09/09 - by TJ Hart
Posted on September 9th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in crime

REPORTER’S NOTES: Haleigh Cummings Case 09/09/09

editorial thoughts from TJ Hart

After a long lull in the action, the pace has picked up significantly in the search for missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings who disappeared from her father’s home February 10, 2009 while under the watch of her babysitter–now 17-year-old stepmother Misty Croslin-Cummings.

http://www.bloggernews.net/122176

ETA ~ from the article ... Why did she call her brother Timmy so often the night Haleigh disappeared? :huh: So, is there more than one call? JMO

[sickntired]

Assuming that Misty is guilty of something, the importance of the cell being turned off is it implies that she purposely turned it off to avoid 'pings'.

If my cell is turned off, isn't it impossible for my location to be detected by way of a 'ping'?

I thought so, but what if they removed the battery?

[teresa]

Teresa, were is the red part found? thx

Watch Action News at 5 o'clock for the exclusive coverage from the courthouse and an interview with Misty Croslin's mother on why she feels that there is more information that Misty is not telling investigators.

It's the last paragraph on the article I still have up. Have they changed it since I opened it?

[Peaches]

How about how TN raised her two kids, both have rap sheets a mile long- so I dont see anyone here getting any kind of mothering award- I dont think thats really the point, I think the point is to find Haleigh-

jmo


You are correct about this.

Let's add Marie to this mix............she also has a rap sheet.

[W_D_1]

Amazing isn't it? I thought when a woman claims she was assaulted it is always the truth.



Only when that female is Crystal and it fits the agenda around here.

[seeker]

Hi seeker

This is the original first report of that night, spelling errors and all.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Thanks Panache,

My god! In the beginning, to the police, their story was: all three in big bed, Misty awoke, and the FIRST thing she noticed was HaLeigh gone!

Their story is ever changing. Isn't the TRUTH just one thing? Never did Ron say on any of the early shows, or later ones, that he was just going along with Misty.

As controlling people do, he went from "I don't know, I was at work" to telling the story himself, correcting Misty on air.

So very transparent from the very beginning.

My thoughts and opinions on this.

[W_D_1]

Ron's lawyer actually said it took Ron 16 minutes to drive to work.

Yeah I know. I was pointing out that Viva had the 28 wrong.

[Motomom]

And Lisa speaking out will probably mean she is the next one to be questioned. If they all turn on each other, I don't care if it gets answers about Haleigh. If she knows something, she shouldn't have waited until she got mad at Misty to tell it.

As she should be. I agree, I don't care who turns on who. This is the most movement we've seen in this case. Not too surprising that it's movement on the Croslin family IMO. They should have been looked at closely early on IMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

Haleigh Cummings Update - 09/09 - by TJ Hart
Posted on September 9th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in crime

REPORTER’S NOTES: Haleigh Cummings Case 09/09/09

editorial thoughts from TJ Hart

After a long lull in the action, the pace has picked up significantly in the search for missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings who disappeared from her father’s home February 10, 2009 while under the watch of her babysitter–now 17-year-old stepmother Misty Croslin-Cummings.

http://www.bloggernews.net/122176

ETA ~ from the article ... Why did she call her brother Timmy so often the night Haleigh disappeared? :huh: So, is there more than one call? JMO

From the link-

The EXACT time Ron went to work is getting wobbly. Ron’s attorney said last week on national television that Ron gets to work early between 4:15 to 4:30 which is closely consistent with what sources close to the investigation say. Last night on the set of the Nancy Grace Show and while sitting right next to me, Ron’s attorney Terry Shoemaker backs off a little from what he said last week on the air and now says Ron got to work that day closer to 4:30 p.m.

[Mel]

Tommy was at the house that day. He and Lindsy own the van but Tim and Chelsea had borrowed it. After Haleigh disappeared Lindsy called Chelsea and asked her if she put the scratch on the van. That call was attributed to Misty but Lindsy cleared it up in an interview later.


cool, that clears that up for me...at least i did have the wives' spouses correct, whew!

[Motomom]

Timmy & Chelsea who lived in Crescent City 14 miles from Satsuma own the van.

Tommy & Lindsy who live at 116 Tyler had a car accident sometime before HC went missing - hit by a drunk driver/car totalled - so they borrowed the van from Timmy & Chelsea to use.

IIRC.

Misty may not have a drivers license, but that does not mean she never drove it.

I thought that when Chelsea got her van back, she noticed the scratch, called Lindsy to ask about it, and Lindsy denied causing the scratch.

:shrug:

Isn't this around the same time that cousin Joe was supposedly at someones house and disappeared sometime during the night?? So many stories, it's hard to keep up sometimes. I think a much much closer look at this family is in order..jmo

[titanfan217]

No, they said on NG that the supposed tips were called into the news media, not LE. :rolleyes:

That answers it all for me.


Thanks. That pretty much seals it for me. Someone looking for 15 minutes of fame.

[Mel]

Ron's lawyer actually said it took Ron 16 minutes to drive to work.

not to split hairs, but i heard him say 19 minutes...

[sickntired]

They wouldn't Tracian imo.. We are suppose to believe that LE puts no value in Jr's life? Amazing that some think that way. JMO


Well they did allow Drew Peterson to keep his kids until he was arrested for his 2nd wife's murder.:scared:

[Motomom]

Watch Action News at 5 o'clock for the exclusive coverage from the courthouse and an interview with Misty Croslin's mother on why she feels that there is more information that Misty is not telling investigators.

It's the last paragraph on the article I still have up. Have they changed it since I opened it?

I won't be around at that time. It is cannalbalism at it's finest with this family it seems. Wonder what she is going to say. Wonder who SHE is going to point the finger at now. Amazing.. and what irritates me is that this all could have come out..oh sayyy 7 months ago.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Well they did allow Drew Peterson to keep his kids until he was arrested for his 2nd wife's murder.:scared:

Oh yeah, right- Good point-

[emdragon]

No matter how anyone feels about Lisa Croslin, it has to be difficult for her for two of her children, who heretofore lived together and were close to now be at each other's throats.

JMO

They so remind me of my sister and brothers side of the family (their fathers) they do this kind of thing all the time- once one of the daughters even "stole" the mothers home when she left to go somewhere and wouldn't let her back in- no lie it is a crazy bunch. And I'm just very happy to say "not my family-not related at all" (but man have I got some stories...)

willow- it SOP that Ron would have been at the top of any suspect list just because he lives in the home and needed to be ruled out- no different than looking at the husband of a missing woman,

[teresa]

Haleigh Cummings Update - 09/09 - by TJ Hart
Posted on September 9th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in crime

REPORTER’S NOTES: Haleigh Cummings Case 09/09/09

editorial thoughts from TJ Hart

After a long lull in the action, the pace has picked up significantly in the search for missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings who disappeared from her father’s home February 10, 2009 while under the watch of her babysitter–now 17-year-old stepmother Misty Croslin-Cummings.

http://www.bloggernews.net/122176

ETA ~ from the article ... Why did she call her brother Timmy so often the night Haleigh disappeared? :huh: So, is there more than one call? JMO

NG said "multiple calls" but didn't bother to tell us when. I hope she covers it tonight and tells us.

I see TJ doesn't think logically on that police call either.

[Mel]

Well they did allow Drew Peterson to keep his kids until he was arrested for his 2nd wife's murder.:scared:

ooooh, very good point...

[Lqqkout]

BBM
None of us like to *instigate* an argument when we ask the same question Elle....and some of us ask or at least TRY and ask....many have NOT been *cleared* IMO..
Chad G..and Chad Reynolds comes to mind......K. Johns is never discussed as many times as I have brought up his name...
I don't understand or agree with several things Ron has done since HaLeigh has gone missing but I don't believe he harmed his baby girl...
From the minute he arrived home and found HaLeigh gone I think his entire world was and is turned upside down....so I hate to *Judge* on his actions alone...I certainly don't know what I would do or what I would say or how I would act...
Just my thoughts :sad:

And excellent thoughts at that.

[Motomom]

Well they did allow Drew Peterson to keep his kids until he was arrested for his 2nd wife's murder.:scared:


Very true. How long after the wife was exhumed did they arrest him and charge him? Do you know? Also, LE was focused on Drew the entire time.. and that was plain enough for everyone to see.

[Lqqkout]

Yeah I know. I was pointing out that Viva had the 28 wrong.

I know.:w00t: