Caylee Anthony Sept 8

[KittyMom]

Is it any wonder that the A's have entitlement personalities. Even the judge in the civil suit thinks that Casey's right as a defendent in a criminal dp case is more important than ZFG's right to clear her name and recoop lost earnings due to Casey & Companies lies.

Shouldn't the two cases be completely separate? If there is a problem, can either side appeal the decision of the judge in the civil case?

[Imperfect4]

I said that in the very beginning Imp. Pity the fool who named my child in this devious debacle! I don't care if it buried me up to my neck filing nuisance suits, that little wench and the wench's henchmen would know they better quit floating that particular balloon anymore.:cursing:

I know ... right? I can't figure why the Grunds haven't taken any formal steps in that direction (that we know of).

[Postergeist]

And we can't forget that the inmate's family, in particular her mother, participated fully in dragging other people's names into this. Cindy's as culpable as Casey, at this point.

I really hope if the civil suit against Casey isn't allowed to proceed, or is delayed until after her murder trial, that peripheral victims of the Anthony family will begin filing suits against them.

I can tell you for a fact, if I were the parent of any child whose name even escaped the lips of an Anthony, I'd have my suit filed already.

:beer: here, here!

don't forget tho, G did name 2 young men that he would like to see marry his daughter, in his FBI tape. Early this morning the link was put up of "Tape #7" and he sure did brag on these two guys. So that must warm the cockles of their hearts- George said nice things about them. woot!

:chicken:

[Lavinia]

I know ... right? I can't figure why the Grunds haven't taken any formal steps in that direction (that we know of).

They might have 2 years to file there. Maybe they're waiting to see what shakes out first? Let ZFG's attorneys do all the discovery work?

[Imperfect4]

well gee- so I guess if I wanted to see you when I visit my bro in Henderson (he also has a house in NLV) it'll still be a road trip for me?

we actually flew home with pie from Marie Callender's, talk about Yum-O!

Oh, nooooo! I'll come down there. Vegas is my old stomping grounds. :smile:

If you come up here, after I've driven you up the dirt road to see the exterior of the Bunny Ranch, we'll be out of things to do.

Love Marie Callender pies! They set up tents in the parking at Thanksgiving and Christmas in Vegas to sell them, so buyers don't clog up the restaurant just picking up pies.

Sorry for the O/T, everyone. Carry on!

[need2no]

I know ... right? I can't figure why the Grunds haven't taken any formal steps in that direction (that we know of).

I recall a show Jesse and his attorney appeared on, I think it was Dr. Phil. When asked if he planned to file suit the attorney responded with "not at this time." I feel pretty confident the time will come, and I can't wait.

[Katprint]

I heart you, kp. :wub:

Wonder if you'd been in the courtroom today, arguing, say, in place of Mitnick :smile:, we'd have a dang decision?
Even some of my hearings get taken under submission (i.e. the judge issues a ruling later.) LOL!

It is easier for the judge to issue a verbal ruling in court then tell the winning side to prepare a formal written order consistent with his ruling. Many courts have local rules requiring a proposed order must be submitted with the filing of any motion, and the judge can just sign proposed Order that after maybe marking it up with any additions, deletions or other corrections. Local rules can also require that the winning side who prepares a formal written order after a verbal ruling must first sent a copy of that order to the other side and give them a certain amount of time, like 10 days, to object to the form of the order and to prepare their own version of an order for the court to sign. Many courts will issue a "proposed ruling" available by telephone or on their website the day before the hearing, and the winning attorney will prepare an order consistent with the proposed ruling while the losing attorney will try to come up with additional reasons why the judge should not rule that way.

If the judge takes the matter under submission and prepares his own formal decision and order, that is more work for the judge himself than simply letting the attorneys to do it. I respect hardworking judges even though I may be impatient to know what the ruling is going to be.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Barbara fl.]

I said that in the very beginning Imp. Pity the fool who named my child in this devious debacle! I don't care if it buried me up to my neck filing nuisance suits, that little wench and the wench's henchmen would know they better quit floating that particular balloon anymore.:cursing:

I so very much agree with you...If Jesse were my son, me and the Anthony's would be at war....I think they have a much better case then Zenaida Gonzales....It has actually been said numerous times by both Cindy and Casey......

I wouldn't be sitting back on this....

[Imperfect4]

Is it any wonder that the A's have entitlement personalities. Even the judge in the civil suit thinks that Casey's right as a defendent in a criminal dp case is more important than ZFG's right to clear her name and recoop lost earnings due to Casey & Companies lies.

Shouldn't the two cases be completely separate? If there is a problem, can either side appeal the decision of the judge in the civil case?

What I've learned from this case is, the rights of the alleged murderer trump all other rights.

They're fighting for her life, after all.

I have trouble just typing that, since not a bloody soul fought for Caylee's life.

[cassidy]

:beer: here, here!

don't forget tho, G did name 2 young men that he would like to see marry his daughter, in his FBI tape. Early this morning the link was put up of "Tape #7" and he sure did brag on these two guys. So that must warm the cockles of their hearts- George said nice things about them. woot!

:chicken:

Wonder if those 2 have petitioned the court to change their names yet? :ohmy:

[Postergeist]

Katprint- thanks again for your excellent explanation. :smile:

have a question that is o/t-

since your field of work requires everyone to do so much reading, do you ever get a chance to read for pleasure- or would that feel like "work" too?

[KittyMom]

ah, it wasn't too bad- the judge likes to pontificate, we learn that Casey's attorney has a little girl...Mitnik has a nice speaking voice (trying to see if I can pin down where he's originally from...anyone know, for some reason I was 'hearing' a bit of Texan in him) actually the judge's voice could put you in a nice state of relaxation- no one raised their voices,

however, complete sentences aren't a given, lots of interruptions (not objections) just hogging the dialogue interaction.

Mitnik's voice reminds me of Dr. Phil.

[Imperfect4]

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If the judge takes the matter under submission and prepares his own formal decision and order, that is more work for the judge himself than simply letting the attorneys to do it. I respect hardworking judges even though I may be impatient to know what the ruling is going to be.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Seems Judge Rodriguez doesn't feel the attorneys provided him with what he needs to make a decision, so he'll be "losing some sleep" in contemplation of his ruling. Or something. :blink:

[Barbara fl.]

What I've learned from this case is, the rights of the alleged murderer trump all other rights.

They're fighting for her life, after all.

I have trouble just typing that, since not a bloody soul fought for Caylee's life.

Exactly, poor Caylee had no one at all to defend her against her own mother...yet Casey has, not only her families support, but all these high profile attornies fighting for her.....it does seem so unfare to a little child that didn't stand a chance.....


But justice will prevail in this case and Casey will get hers.....

[Imperfect4]

:beer: here, here!

don't forget tho, G did name 2 young men that he would like to see marry his daughter, in his FBI tape. Early this morning the link was put up of "Tape #7" and he sure did brag on these two guys. So that must warm the cockles of their hearts- George said nice things about them. woot!

:chicken:

Oh, fgs. Like he's giving them a gift or something. Buy a clue, George.

[Explorer]

Oh, fgs. Like he's giving them a gift or something. Buy a clue, George.

ROFLMAO:laugh:

[Katprint]

Katprint- thanks again for your excellent explanation. :smile:

have a question that is o/t-

since your field of work requires everyone to do so much reading, do you ever get a chance to read for pleasure- or would that feel like "work" too?
OT - I love reading. I read quickly and I am quite a bookworm. I own hundreds if not thousands of books. When an interesting court decision comes out - for example, the California Supreme Court's recent decisions allowing gay marriage and Prop 8 negating their decision allowing gay marriage - I like to read it myself even if it is 100 pages long. It's like reading the Bible yourself - it doesn't necessarily say what some people claim that it says, and when someone takes a single phrase out of context then it can completely change the meaning.

Sometimes reading feels like work; I dislike reading voluminous medical treatment records or medical records concerning injured children. However, in general I sincerely enjoy reading my case file materials and researching applicable statutes and case law.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Lavinia]

I so very much agree with you...If Jesse were my son, me and the Anthony's would be at war....I think they have a much better case then Zenaida Gonzales....It has actually been said numerous times by both Cindy and Casey......

I wouldn't be sitting back on this....

I feel like there may be more going on behind the scenes, but that may just be wishful thinking. My husband had to pull me back when some thugs came into our neighborhood one Halloween and mugged my 11 year old son while he was trick or treating, to steal his mask, and they knocked him unconscious. Hubby would have caged me by now if I was JG's mom.

[Postergeist]

No one is safe from the clutches of the OC. ZFG didn't even have the choice not to associate with her. She's a totally random victim. The others you could say had a cosmic choice not to interact (although of course they are victims) but ZFG was just struggling along with her ordinary life, working, trying to support her children --didn't even know what hit her!

I agree summer- it's scary to think about! But who could've guessed that those that chose to know Casey (& many hadn't met her parents) would get accused by them! I mean, it would be mortifying enough if say- they were blamed on stealing the family gas cans- but good grief- being accused of kidnapping and then murdering their granddaughter?!

Just thinking how some of feel pretty rotten just being sent to band camp here...magnify that by a million times and ugh- the turmoil that must be.

This case has opened my eyes even more- usually when things hit the news I tell myself to be more cautious, be more alert of my surroundings, etc. but dang- do we now have to worry that someone would see our name written down somewhere, our car...and then tell this horrific story?!

[Imperfect4]

I feel like there may be more going on behind the scenes, but that may just be wishful thinking. My husband had to pull me back when some thugs came into our neighborhood one Halloween and mugged my 11 year old son while he was trick or treating, to steal his mask, and they knocked him unconscious. Hubby would have caged me by now if I was JG's mom.

I doubt it's just wishful thinking, L. I've not met too many parents (of nice normal kids like most of Casey's friends seem to be) who wouldn't be sideways over what the Anthonys have attempted to perpetrate.

I'll bet there's plenty going on behind the scenes.

And to your point, maybe most are taking a wait and see, watching how the ZG case unfolds.

[Sweetly]

nope...we're just the spectators. The list of freaks and weirdos grows at each turn of the case.

Yes it does! I remember when we were all so blown away at all this and now it all just seems to roll off our backs like water on ducks! It's unreal, isn't it??? I don't even want to contemplate how the trial is going to go! All I know is we must all have our Tums, Excedrin, squirrel repellant, shovels n hoses ready for every moment of it!

[desmom]

Part 1 of the hearing is up at http://www.wesh.com/video/20793771/index.html

[Imperfect4]

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This case has opened my eyes even more- usually when things hit the news I tell myself to be more cautious, be more alert of my surroundings, etc. but dang- do we now have to worry that someone would see our name written down somewhere, our car...and then tell this horrific story?!

Bolding mine. Yes, apparently we do. And if something like that does happen to us, and the alleged perp is truly evil like the OC, we will be asked to be understanding of the fact her rights trump ours. :huh:

[Sweetly]

Part 1 of the hearing is up at http://www.wesh.com/video/20793771/index.html

LOL, thanks, but once was enough for me! My head still hurts from the first go around, lol! Seems the circus is here to stay!

[Sweetly]

Bolding mine. Yes, apparently we do. And if something like that does happen to us, and the alleged perp is truly evil like the OC, we will be asked to be understanding of the fact her rights trump ours. :huh:

Yup, sickening, isn't it? :crying:

[Imperfect4]

Part 1 of the hearing is up at http://www.wesh.com/video/20793771/index.html

Thanks, des!

As soon as I'm done shoving these jagged pieces of glass beneath my nails, I'll fire that baby up.

:laugh:

(J/K. Thanks for the link. As always.)

[Barbara fl.]

I feel like there may be more going on behind the scenes, but that may just be wishful thinking. My husband had to pull me back when some thugs came into our neighborhood one Halloween and mugged my 11 year old son while he was trick or treating, to steal his mask, and they knocked him unconscious. Hubby would have caged me by now if I was JG's mom.


I know what you mean....my son is 38 and my daughter is 40 I would still go to war for them....

[Lavinia]

I doubt it's just wishful thinking, L. I've not met too many parents (of nice normal kids like most of Casey's friends seem to be) who wouldn't be sideways over what the Anthonys have attempted to perpetrate.

I'll bet there's plenty going on behind the scenes.

And to your point, maybe most are taking a wait and see, watching how the ZG case unfolds.

I think there is more going on behind the scenes, too. Of course Jesse is an adult and he would have to file a suit, but as a parent, I would support that decision. As a parent to boy children, I would also accept my son's (or daughter's) decision to let it go. (My boys would most likely not want the continued scrutiny, controversy, and wrangling that a lawsuit entails. They may have a point but I don't know if I could lay down like that.)

[Sweetly]

Thanks, des!

As soon as I'm done shoving these jagged pieces of glass beneath my nails, I'll fire that baby up.

:laugh:

(J/K. Thanks for the link. As always.)

LOL lol, so you are gonna try to make sense of the nonsense? Okay, let us know your final opinion on it all, k? LOL Be sure to take your Valium first! :drool:

[Explorer]

My kids are in their early teens and I have to say I see some traits in some of their friends and I can see the ones they should stay away from and I make sure they do.

[need2no]

Bolding mine. Yes, apparently we do. And if something like that does happen to us, and the alleged perp is truly evil like the OC, we will be asked to be understanding of the fact her rights trump ours. :huh:

No problem Imp...if we're ever accused of anything since July 2008 we can refer LE to the IS message board to review the timeline of our posts as an alibi of where we were at the time of the crime.:tongueside:

[Sweetly]

My kids are in their early teens and I have to say I see some traits in some of their friends and I can see the ones they should stay away from and I make sure they do.

That's a good mama, if you ask me! :thumbsup:

[Explorer]

That's a good mama, if you ask me! :thumbsup:

Thanks, I can even see some potential Casey Anthonys.

[Imperfect4]

A bit of upbeat news:

On Wednesday, the court could force George and Cindy Anthony to answer every single question from Gonzalez's attorneys.

"Unless there is some privilege that can be asserted by George or Cindy, which I do not think there is one, then I would expect the court would compel them to answer questions," Sheaffer said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20788309/detail.html

I'll assume the questions they need to answer will be re-asked during a later deposition, and not tomorrow.

But I'll have my popcorn popped and my margarita poured, whenever it happens. :thumbup:

[Postergeist]

Oh, nooooo! I'll come down there. Vegas is my old stomping grounds. :smile:

If you come up here, after I've driven you up the dirt road to see the exterior of the Bunny Ranch, we'll be out of things to do.

Love Marie Callender pies! They set up tents in the parking at Thanksgiving and Christmas in Vegas to sell them, so buyers don't clog up the restaurant just picking up pies.

Sorry for the O/T, everyone. Carry on!

o/t - cool! I fell in love with the Valley of Fire, & if it weren't for nice posters in Open Court giving me recommendations of things to do in Vegas- I wouldn't have known anything about it.

I have to say- October roses in Vegas are just beautiful but it was too cold for me in Dec. brrr

okay- back OT- did you bother to listen to any part of the recent released tape of Cindy's?

I didn't- but read as much as I could from what others had to say.

It made me wonder, if this is normal for her-

(and after listening to the judge today- the interrupter)

and then hearing others report (Tony on Lee- he wouldn't shut up)

(Tracy on Casey- she wouldn't shut up)

seeing George on his FBI tapes & raw interviews w/ the boat...

I'd think little Caylee would've been more loquacious herself then, she sure would've heard lots of her family talking it seems.

[Imperfect4]

No problem Imp...if we're ever accused of anything since July 2008 we can refer LE to the IS message board to review the timeline of our posts as an alibi of where we were at the time of the crime.:tongueside:

Good point!

Good lord. :blushing:

[Lavinia]

My kids are in their early teens and I have to say I see some traits in some of their friends and I can see the ones they should stay away from and I make sure they do.

I know that's right. Peers shape kids' morals and values that age about as much as parenting shaped them in their younger years. Peers will get cha'! :ohmy:

[Sweetly]

o/t - cool! I fell in love with the Valley of Fire, & if it weren't for nice posters in Open Court giving me recommendations of things to do in Vegas- I wouldn't have known anything about it.

I have to say- October roses in Vegas are just beautiful but it was too cold for me in Dec. brrr

okay- back OT- did you bother to listen to any part of the recent released tape of Cindy's?

I didn't- but read as much as I could from what others had to say.

It made me wonder, if this is normal for her-

(and after listening to the judge today- the interrupter)

and then hearing others report (Tony on Lee- he wouldn't shut up)

(Tracy on Casey- she wouldn't shut up)

seeing George on his FBI tapes & raw interviews w/ the boat...

I'd think little Caylee would've been more loquacious herself then, she sure would've heard lots of her family talking it seems.

TO your last sentence, and I'm sure she did! This family can't seem to agree on anything but Casey's innocence and anyone elses guilt! They all seem to think they are God's gift to the planet!

[Explorer]

I know that's right. Peers shape kids' morals and values that age about as much as parenting shaped them in their younger years. Peers will get cha'! :ohmy:

I have to say its unbelievable some of the things the kids try to get away with.

[Imperfect4]

o/t - cool! I fell in love with the Valley of Fire, & if it weren't for nice posters in Open Court giving me recommendations of things to do in Vegas- I wouldn't have known anything about it.

I have to say- October roses in Vegas are just beautiful but it was too cold for me in Dec. brrr

okay- back OT- did you bother to listen to any part of the recent released tape of Cindy's?

I didn't- but read as much as I could from what others had to say.

It made me wonder, if this is normal for her-

(and after listening to the judge today- the interrupter)

and then hearing others report (Tony on Lee- he wouldn't shut up)

(Tracy on Casey- she wouldn't shut up)

seeing George on his FBI tapes & raw interviews w/ the boat...

I'd think little Caylee would've been more loquacious herself then, she sure would've heard lots of her family talking it seems.

I didn't listen to Cindy.

Just. Can't. Do. It.

Maybe Caylee wasn't as verbal as some other kids her age because no one encouraged her to talk. Or she just gave up trying to talk over the rest of her self-absorbed family.

[Postergeist]

Mitnik's voice reminds me of Dr. Phil.

ah! ty KittyMom! :smile:

And we know that Dr. Phil is from Texas- or spent a good portion there...well, something like that. too tired to google at the moment.

[Lapis]

Does anyone know if a replay of the hearing is available anywhere? I don't like to comment unless I have listened myself. I often find I interprete the conversations differently than some on the boards.

A couple of general observations.

It is not that easy to just add the Anthonys as defendants to the lawsuit. When a lawsuit is filed you must include all possible defendants when the initial suit was filed. There is a mechanism for naming John Does for parties unidentified at the time the suit is filed. But John Does must be described with specificity so the name can be substituted when the identity is know.

For example, you slip and fall in a parking lot on snow and ice (for those of you living in warm climates just use your imaginations). You sue the builiding owner and name John Doe #1, the snow removal company, John Doe #2, the maintenance company because they were responsible for spreading salt and John Doe #3 the tenant because the lease may provide that the tenant is responsible for snow and ice removal. During the deposition of the owner you learn the names of the John Does. You now make a motion to substitute the real name for John Doe and file an amended complaint. The new parties are now joined.

However, if the name of the tenant is known to you at the time of the filing of the original complaint, you must name them at the original filing and cannot substitute or add them later. Here in NJ the attorney must file an affidavit indicating that no further parties to the lawsuit are known at the time of the filing. In this instance Cindy and her actions were known at the time of the filing of the original lawsuit so they may not be able to add her now.

Nor can a separate suit be filed against Cindy. The entire controversy doctrine stipulates that all parties to an action for wrongdoing must be sued at the same time. This is to save on judicial resources.

There also may be a statute of limitations problem. I don't know what the time limit is for filing a defamation action in Florida. If it is one year then the time has expired.

Even if M&M are able to add Cindy as a defendant, the case cannot proceed against Cindy and be delayed as to Casey. A jury must assess liability (who is responsible) and damages ( how much money the injury is worth) and apportion the damages amongst the defendants. If they cannot consider Casey's blame, they cannot apportion the damages (if any).

JMO

[need2no]

Does anyone know if a replay of the hearing is available anywhere? I don't like to comment unless I have listened myself. I often find I interprete the conversations differently than some on the boards.

JMO

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Courtesy of desmom:

Part 1 of the hearing is up at http://www.wesh.com/video/20793771/index.html

[Postergeist]

OT - I love reading. I read quickly and I am quite a bookworm. I own hundreds if not thousands of books. When an interesting court decision comes out - for example, the California Supreme Court's recent decisions allowing gay marriage and Prop 8 negating their decision allowing gay marriage - I like to read it myself even if it is 100 pages long. It's like reading the Bible yourself - it doesn't necessarily say what some people claim that it says, and when someone takes a single phrase out of context then it can completely change the meaning.

Sometimes reading feels like work; I dislike reading voluminous medical treatment records or medical records concerning injured children. However, in general I sincerely enjoy reading my case file materials and researching applicable statutes and case law.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

ty Katprint for answering- and I'm always happy when I hear of people reading for pleasure, I love books too :thumbsup: I think it's safe to say that your friends/family have said 'oh, that Katprint, always has her nose in a book" lol.

Can you deduct some of your books for work related expenses?

[Lavinia]

I have to say its unbelievable some of the things the kids try to get away with.

Look at what *some* parents let them get away with. It would take a strong character in a kid not to take advantage. (I'm talking to you Cindy and George!)

[Explorer]

Look at what *some* parents let them get away with. It would take a strong character in a kid not to take advantage. (I'm talking to you Cindy and George!)

Yep true dat

[Postergeist]

Bolding mine. Yes, apparently we do. And if something like that does happen to us, and the alleged perp is truly evil like the OC, we will be asked to be understanding of the fact her rights trump ours. :huh:

and that gripes me as well- her rights trump everyone else's. :angry:

we always hear that everyone deserves their day in court- and now we learn, some get to go to zipping right along and others just have to keep dog paddling.

Watching the hearing this morning and what Casey's attorney was saying about how common last names are in this area, and so forth- I thought well heck- I belong to the rarest minority on earth, (in fact it's rumored that we are to be extinct in about 100 years), I make up only 4% of the world's population...and my name isn't that common either, but just to be on the safe side, guess we need to think twice before filling out a comment card, or a chance prize drawing, etc.

[crimeq]

Oh, can you just imagine! cindy getting manicures, having her hair cut, streaked and styled, shopping for her court appearance wardrobe.........all things that will have the OC beside herself with jealousy, imo.


:lol:

And this is the REAL reason Casey won't look at Cindy in court! She's overcome by her jealousy of Cindy!

[martha]

I am so down about this it seem like nothing is ever going to happen in the world of the an;s. will we ever see justice for CAYLEE? I guess I will not live long enough to see the murder trial. Oh well I just wish I could get CAYLEE of my mind and not worrie about this case so much.I just will never understand a mother waiting 31 days to even tell another person her baby is missing. I am beganing to think I should not hear anything about this case and the an;s for a long time and maybe I would feel better. It is so sad tho. I will never forget CAYLEE and sure wish the trial would come up soon but I know that will never happen because they will delay anything to do with it. It may be 10 more years before this is ever settled.jmho

[frances1]

Yes it does! I remember when we were all so blown away at all this and now it all just seems to roll off our backs like water on ducks! It's unreal, isn't it??? I don't even want to contemplate how the trial is going to go! All I know is we must all have our Tums, Excedrin, squirrel repellant, shovels n hoses ready for every moment of it!

Don't forget hammers.......and tinfoil hats.

[martha]

and that gripes me as well- her rights trump everyone else's. :angry:

we always hear that everyone deserves their day in court- and now we learn, some get to go to zipping right along and others just have to keep dog paddling.

Watching the hearing this morning and what Casey's attorney was saying about how common last names are in this area, and so forth- I thought well heck- I belong to the rarest minority on earth, (in fact it's rumored that we are to be extinct in about 100 years), I make up only 4% of the world's population...and my name isn't that common either, but just to be on the safe side, guess we need to think twice before filling out a comment card, or a chance prize drawing, etc.ITA with you casey;s rights come before anyone elce. It just makes me sick.If she did not do it then she would be having a fit and more to get out of jail she would be demanding to have her trial now not later.jmho

[Postergeist]

No problem Imp...if we're ever accused of anything since July 2008 we can refer LE to the IS message board to review the timeline of our posts as an alibi of where we were at the time of the crime.:tongueside:

ah n2n- and the defendant and his/her family and their attornies could all say that the poster was actually pulling some sort of "digital fortress" (I'm reading Dan Brown's book, lol) and used some sort of keystroke copier, remote posting and not at home and sharing nics and passwords.

:scared:

[Postergeist]

Thanks, I can even see some potential Casey Anthonys.


oh lawdy! well good on you for being way more observant in your kid's daily lives than apparently the A's were.

[Postergeist]

I know that's right. Peers shape kids' morals and values that age about as much as parenting shaped them in their younger years. Peers will get cha'! :ohmy:

now hold up Lavinia- weren't you one of our illustrious posters that was the wild child- are you blaming your friends on that- you weren't the leader, but a follower?!

oy- that seems a little hard to believe.

:wink:

[cassidy]

Thanks, I can even see some potential Casey Anthonys.

They're out there aren't they? There is one in my neighborhood. The similarities are astounding. It's clear she runs the house and the parents believe every word spoken. She has a little boy and they have threatened to get custody. She parties, they pay and she's 25 years old. Go figure!!! Betcha every neighborhood has a Casey.

JMO

[Explorer]

oh lawdy! well good on you for being way more observant in your kid's daily lives than apparently the A's were.

Do you see how casey anthony got to be friends with Amy and pretended to be her best friend just so that she could rip her off? I see it all the time.

[really3997]

Shall we take bets on how long it will take Judge R. tomorrow to decide he can't decide tomorrow's decision until he decides on the decision he didn't decide upon today?

I'm in for at least 90 minutes. His hearings always start late, and then it takes him at least a half hour to really warm to the subject and get his soapbox all set up.

:thumbsup: well as long as we got that cleared up....

[Lavinia]

now hold up Lavinia- weren't you one of our illustrious posters that was the wild child- are you blaming your friends on that- you weren't the leader, but a follower?!

oy- that seems a little hard to believe.

:wink:

Let's just say I have *first hand* experience that peers can be bad. :sneaky: Then I invoke my 5th amendment right. :wink:

[Imperfect4]

They're out there aren't they? There is one in my neighborhood. The similarities are astounding. It's clear she runs the house and the parents believe every word spoken. She has a little boy and they have threatened to get custody. She parties, they pay and she's 25 years old. Go figure!!! Betcha every neighborhood has a Casey.

JMO

Those are the people who should be following this case, and taking heed.

[Postergeist]

TO your last sentence, and I'm sure she did! This family can't seem to agree on anything but Casey's innocence and anyone elses guilt! They all seem to think they are God's gift to the planet!

you nailed it Sweetly- in a nutshell!

they do all agree publicly Casey is innocent and someone else is guilty-

and hey LE, here are 3 other people to look at, we'll add more when we go thru the rest of Casey's things.

During the recent released tape of Cindy's- when it's brought up if there might've been an accident

she is heard saying-

that if it had been an accident, Casey wouldn't cover it up an accident. She says there'd be no reason to cover it up.

(apparently somewhere about 38 min.- 50 min into the tape)

Well BINGO Cindy- People cover up murders, intentional murders.

So in effect, she at least came out of her fugue state to accept-

There Was No Accident.

imo

[Explorer]

They're out there aren't they? There is one in my neighborhood. The similarities are astounding. It's clear she runs the house and the parents believe every word spoken. She has a little boy and they have threatened to get custody. She parties, they pay and she's 25 years old. Go figure!!! Betcha every neighborhood has a Casey.

JMO

Yes they are out there. My little girl told me of one girl that tells another girl how pretty she is then asks to borrow her jacket then the kid never gets the jacket back. She tried it with my little girl and mine said "Gimmie my jacket back before I RIP your face off!:thumbsup: Sounds like she was pulling a casey anthony.

[AnniePie]

I am so down about this it seem like nothing is ever going to happen in the world of the an;s. will we ever see justice for CAYLEE? I guess I will not live long enough to see the murder trial. Oh well I just wish I could get CAYLEE of my mind and not worrie about this case so much.I just will never understand a mother waiting 31 days to even tell another person her baby is missing. I am beganing to think I should not hear anything about this case and the an;s for a long time and maybe I would feel better. It is so sad tho. I will never forget CAYLEE and sure wish the trial would come up soon but I know that will never happen because they will delay anything to do with it. It may be 10 more years before this is ever settled.jmho

Don't let yourself get so down over this, Martha. This is just another temporary bump in the road. Try to fly over the potholes and see the end... which is that Casey is going to fry.

Some of us may not live long enough to see it, but Caylee will have justice. I have no doubt about it.

[Lavinia]

Well that´s sick somehow. Could this be true? Jealous of her mother.
From what I read it could be. But it´s just so low (don´t know if that´s the right word, maybe simple could be another one?)
And Caylee was a darling, I think. Sad, sad, sad.

LL

Sorry I provided a wrong link yesterday. Just didn´t know there were different Orange Countys in your states. I´m going to study the map of Northern America tomorrow. And try to do it proper! :wub:

They probably have pretty different rules LL. Ca. institutions are known for their liberal rules and regs and Fl. is known for conservative rules and regs. Her prison stay is going to be quite different from her jail time, too. She won't be in Kansas anymore when she goes to prison. :smile:

[Imperfect4]

Do you see how casey anthony got to be friends with Amy and pretended to be her best friend just so that she could rip her off? I see it all the time.

A really important lesson to learn in life -- one I didn't learn until a handful of years ago myself -- is to trust what people DO vs. what they SAY, when the two things don't match up. It doesn't occur to people who don't lie that others do so much of it.

If Casey's friends (I'm thinking especially Amy) had paid more attention to what she was doing as opposed to what was coming out of her constantly moving mouth, they could've sized her up very quickly. imo

[cassidy]

Those are the people who should be following this case, and taking heed.


And they are the ones who won't. Because, like Cindy and George, they don't see a problem :(

[court~critic1®]

I am so down about this it seem like nothing is ever going to happen in the world of the an;s. will we ever see justice for CAYLEE? I guess I will not live long enough to see the murder trial. Oh well I just wish I could get CAYLEE of my mind and not worrie about this case so much.I just will never understand a mother waiting 31 days to even tell another person her baby is missing. I am beganing to think I should not hear anything about this case and the an;s for a long time and maybe I would feel better. It is so sad tho. I will never forget CAYLEE and sure wish the trial would come up soon but I know that will never happen because they will delay anything to do with it. It may be 10 more years before this is ever settled.jmho



I concur.

The way things are going after the ten yrs waiting Casey will only get time served. . I will be long dead by then.

There are quite a few children that have been murdered that I won't forget. The first one I remember is the 5yrs. old that was kidnapped from her secons floor bedroom. They found her later cut up in several peices and stuffed in sewers. This happened in Chicago and back in the 40s'. I wouldn't sleep in my second floor bedroom for a very long time.

To this day when I hear of a child being murdered, I think of this little girl.

safe one!

Sorry for the long post........

[Explorer]

A really important lesson to learn in life -- one I didn't learn until a handful of years ago myself -- is to trust what people DO vs. what they SAY, when the two things don't match up. It doesn't occur to people who don't lie that others do so much of it.

If Casey's friends (I'm thinking especially Amy) had paid more attention to what she was doing as opposed to what was coming out of her constantly moving mouth, they could've sized her up very quickly. imo

Casey Anthony pretended to care about Amy. She betrayed Amys trust. Thats a disgrace.:sad:

[Lavinia]

A really important lesson to learn in life -- one I didn't learn until a handful of years ago myself -- is to trust what people DO vs. what they SAY, when the two things don't match up. It doesn't occur to people who don't lie that others do so much of it.

If Casey's friends (I'm thinking especially Amy) had paid more attention to what she was doing as opposed to what was coming out of her constantly moving mouth, they could've sized her up very quickly. imo

VERY much agree. I have been tricked by words more than I care to admit. I've learned that words alone are not particularly valuable. :unsure:

[bchand]

Yes they are out there. My little girl told me of one girl that tells another girl how pretty she is then asks to borrow her jacket then the kid never gets the jacket back. She tried it with my little girl and mine said "Gimmie my jacket back before I RIP your face off!:thumbsup: Sounds like she was pulling a casey anthony.

lol Explorer. I like your daughter.

[court~critic1®]

VERY much agree. I have been tricked by words more than I care to admit. I've learned that words alone are not particularly valuable. :unsure:


You got that right! Actions speak louder then words.

[Imperfect4]

Casey Anthony pretended to care about Amy. She betrayed Amys trust. Thats a disgrace.:sad:

It is. That's why it's important to learn what to look for and who not to place your trust in BEFORE you set yourself up for betrayal.

[Scampi]

And this is the REAL reason Casey won't look at Cindy in court! She's overcome by her jealousy of Cindy!

Yep, poor casey never did understand cindy's "cameos"........................ :laugh:

I just hope that cindy and george show up at that hearing tomorrow and we're not treated to some ridiculous excuse why they can't be there.

Reports by really that they haven't been at home all week have me concerned.

They have proved time and again they have no respect for the law.

[Sun]

Anyone watching the NatGeo channel right now? Rob Dick and LP bounty hunting in Hawaii.

[Lavinia]

Love "The wizard of Oz", but if california is liberal and they aren´t allowed to pick their clothes for trial, what about Florida then. Tried to find something about that but was unsuccessful. They won´t let get a word out. About their jails.
Still searching....

LL

I think it's usually what a judge decides, LL. I *believe* that usually when that privilege is granted, it's because the defense requests appearance in street clothes in order to not influence or prejudice the jury or jury pool. I stand to be corrected, though.

[really3997]

Anyone watching the NatGeo channel right now? Rob Dick and LP bounty hunting in Hawaii.

certainly beats sitting in a cubicle jmo

[Explorer]

lol Explorer. I like your daughter.

Thanks. I like to think that my kids have heart because thats what I stressed when they were little. I m pretty sure they have NO anthony traits.

[Postergeist]

Let's just say I have *first hand* experience that peers can be bad. :sneaky: Then I invoke my 5th amendment right. :wink:

lol- maybe I have you confused with some other hippie/hooligan member on board then (we have several that were apparently quite the vamps back in the day)

but as long as no one comes along to say you deserve a MOTY award, while someone has dug up your party pics to put them online- then I know you're a good egg.

:laugh:

[Sun]

certainly beats sitting in a cubicle jmo

Yes, those Hawaii sunsets are gorgeous! Almost didn't recognize LP hatless or in a ball cap.

Really, are there any of the Anthonys' cars in their drive today?

[Explorer]

It is. That's why it's important to learn what to look for and who not to place your trust in BEFORE you set yourself up for betrayal.

Very wise:smile:

[martha]

Don't let yourself get so down over this, Martha. This is just another temporary bump in the road. Try to fly over the potholes and see the end... which is that Casey is going to fry.

Some of us may not live long enough to see it, but Caylee will have justice. I have no doubt about it.Thank you AniePie you or a doll and thank you for picking me up today. I am sitting here just wanting to cry my eyes out because the an;s seem to get away with what ever they want to do. I have never seen such people in my life time but I do know you or right wheather I see it or not there will be justice for CAYLEE one way or another. I am glad all of you or here for her. I can;t stand to look at casey anymore and c and g and even lee fust get to me when I see them covering up for her. I know this trial will be delayed until no telling when but I do hope the an;s or thanking CAYLEE for their good life now and not having to work. I know casey is blaming everyone for being in jail but that is where she need to be.jmho:wub:

[Postergeist]

You know with all that lies...
Did LE search all the computers owned by the Anthonys?
Maybe there was a search about Joran van der Sloot?

Lie as much as you can and no one can convict you, `cause no story fits the circumstances.

LL

Hi ya luka- yes, the pcs/laptops of the A's were given to LE to be checked.

I never heard tho if Lee was asked to provide his.

Check back thru the links thread- I know some of the doc dumps revealed some of the "searches" found- don't think JVS was listed, but IRRC Trenton Duckett was, missing children, that sort of thing.

[Explorer]

Thank you AniePie you or a doll and thank you for picking me up today. I am sitting here just wanting to cry my eyes out because the an;s seem to get away with what ever they want to do. I have never seen such people in my life time but I do know you or right wheather I see it or not there will be justice for CAYLEE one way or another. I am glad all of you or here for her. I can;t stand to look at casey anymore and c and g and even lee fust get to me when I see them covering up for her. I know this trial will be delayed until no telling when but I do hope the an;s or thanking CAYLEE for their good life now and not having to work. I know casey is blaming everyone for being in jail but that is where she need to be.jmho:wub:

Dont worry the perp is starting her long rotting process right where she deserves to be.

[martha]

I concur.

The way things are going after the ten yrs waiting Casey will only get time served. . I will be long dead by then.

There are quite a few children that have been murdered that I won't forget. The first one I remember is the 5yrs. old that was kidnapped from her secons floor bedroom. They found her later cut up in several peices and stuffed in sewers. This happened in Chicago and back in the 40s'. I wouldn't sleep in my second floor bedroom for a very long time.

To this day when I hear of a child being murdered, I think of this little girl.

safe one!

Sorry for the long post........I have never keep up with cases and don;t know a lot about the law so really this is the only one I have followed so close. I feel so sorry for you thinking about that little girl all the time. It can really bother us sometimes and when it is children it is worse. jmho:wub:

[really3997]

Yes, those Hawaii sunsets are gorgeous! Almost didn't recognize LP hatless or in a ball cap.

Really, are there any of the Anthonys' cars in their drive today?

I will check on my way home...

[ish]

you nailed it Sweetly- in a nutshell!

they do all agree publicly Casey is innocent and someone else is guilty-

and hey LE, here are 3 other people to look at, we'll add more when we go thru the rest of Casey's things.

During the recent released tape of Cindy's- when it's brought up if there might've been an accident

she is heard saying-

that if it had been an accident, Casey wouldn't cover it up an accident. She says there'd be no reason to cover it up.
(apparently somewhere about 38 min.- 50 min into the tape)

Well BINGO Cindy- People cover up murders, intentional murders.

So in effect, she at least came out of her fugue state to accept-

There Was No Accident.

imo

my bold

Yes indeed, Casey ran to mom to tell her about every scraped knee Caylee had. I almost believe this, I can see Casey doing this to show/prove to mom that she was a fantastic mom, who worried/obsessed about anything that could go wrong, locking keys in the car, bamboo, the pool. If your daughter was such a great mom like Casey, wouldn't you help her out with babysitting and expenses? So yeah maybe Casey did blab and discuss every sneeze and scrape of Caylee's, but not from care or concern but for self serving reasons.

[Postergeist]

Anyone watching the NatGeo channel right now? Rob Dick and LP bounty hunting in Hawaii.

thanx for mentioning that Sun-

lol, Lenny has a lot of "stuff"- don't know when this was filmed but Rob said that Lenny was 68, I think he looks great for that age!


gotta head out now- have a great afternoon everyone. :smile:

[Lavinia]

lol- maybe I have you confused with some other hippie/hooligan member on board then (we have several that were apparently quite the vamps back in the day)

but as long as no one comes along to say you deserve a MOTY award, while someone has dug up your party pics to put them online- then I know you're a good egg.

:laugh:

No MOTY awards and no pics. (Do cave paintings count? :laugh:) No, you aren't confused, lol, I am the hippie/hooligan/vamp. But what I thought was bad in the day wasn't anything compared to now. I did not resemble in any way a Casey A! I was just fun bad, not bad, bad. (I might turn bad bad any minute though.) :sneaky:

[ish]

Yep, poor casey never did understand cindy's "cameos"........................ :laugh:

I just hope that cindy and george show up at that hearing tomorrow and we're not treated to some ridiculous excuse why they can't be there.

Reports by really that they haven't been at home all week have me concerned.
They have proved time and again they have no respect for the law.

my bold

Don't worry they'll surface somewhere, like a bad penny. Most likely on TV, trying to drum up support for their daughter. We've all seen it, George, tan and well groomed, Cindy, thin and fashionably dressed. George will implore the interviewer and the viewers to wait for all the evidence before jumping to conclusions, Cindy in her trademark slump next to George, weakly responding to questions with the standard "we want to know what happened to Caylee, we don't know what happened to her yet." Blah blah blah!!!

[court~critic1®]

I have never keep up with cases and don;t know a lot about the law so really this is the only one I have followed so close. I feel so sorry for you thinking about that little girl all the time. It can really bother us sometimes and when it is children it is worse. jmho:wub:


Thank you , my dear. I was only a child but it has stayed with me. I have followed many cases on here . (10 yrs LOL) Like you I don't know that much about law. What I have learned has been from the wonderful posters on here. They are so knowlegable.

Enjoy your day and evening and stay safe.


:wub: back atcha

[ish]

thanx for mentioning that Sun-

lol, Lenny has a lot of "stuff"- don't know when this was filmed but Rob said that Lenny was 68, I think he looks great for that age!


gotta head out now- have a great afternoon everyone. :smile:

my bold

I want to tune in to their show, but now I'm afraid. :blushing:Lenny's stuff on display like that. I'll never be able to be able to see him on NG again without that visual. You do mean "stuff" the way I mean "stuff"?

[martha]

I will check on my way home... You or a sweetheart. I would love to know if they or at home too. wish we still had the web cam up there. I don;t know it the have to be at the hearing tomorrow or not.jmho:wub:

[martha]

I´d like to thank today:

Lavinia, Scampi, bchand, KittyMom, newsjunkie, Postergeist, sun, Rapunzel, Chardonnay, Kathlb, cassidy, desmom, Imperfect4, vagal, need2no, Mac, 101Spots, ClimbingRose, Roux, 5boxersmom, Barbara fl., Cury-us Coyote, Holden, Fool Me Once, summer4meplz, Dells, martha, Ellie, neid 77, happygert, margaritaville, marshmallow, jakee, legalmania, djmsmom, cuddlyrunner, imc e, summer, Sweetly, KatieLadie, frances1, LlaFren, court~critic, Kathlb, MGM111, Diney, calalily, really3997, kelloggirl, Pat, ruth 66, Jester, nana6, kakax, ttcRider, AnniePie, Explorer, Katprint, Lapis, and last not least ish!

Has been a pleasure with all of you, thx for infos and I have to go to bed now. Had a looong day today.
Keep well and enjoy the rest of your day!!!

LL Thank you honey for being so sweet you get some much needed rest and come back when you can.we all love you.jmho:wub:

[Scampi]

my bold

Don't worry they'll surface somewhere, like a bad penny. Most likely on TV, trying to drum up support for their daughter. We've all seen it, George, tan and well groomed, Cindy, thin and fashionably dressed. George will implore the interviewer and the viewers to wait for all the evidence before jumping to conclusions, Cindy in her trademark slump next to George, weakly responding to questions with the standard "we want to know what happened to Caylee, we don't know what happened to her yet." Blah blah blah!!!


Trademark slump........... :lol:

What the anthonys must understand is that if not for our jumping to conclusions** us fat, lazy bloggers would get no exercise at all!

** borrowing generously from Judge Rodriguez........lol.

[ish]

Trademark slump........... :lol:

What the anthonys must understand is that if not for our jumping to conclusions** us fat, lazy bloggers would get no exercise at all!

** borrowing generously from Judge Rodriguez........lol.

Some conclusions are so easily jumped to, ex. mother leaves house with child, child is never seen alive again, remains are found 15 houses from home 6 months later. conclusion: mother killed and dumped child's body. conclusion difficulty "simple, calories expended 2.5.

[Dells]

Some conclusions are so easily jumped to, ex. mother leaves house with child, child is never seen alive again, remains are found 15 houses from home 6 months later. conclusion: mother killed and dumped child's body. conclusion difficulty "simple, calories expended 2.5.

Yep, this case really is that simple. I wonder how and why it got so complicated?:sneaky:

[ish]

Yep, this case really is that simple. I wonder how and why it got so complicated?:sneaky:

Lawyers? just a guess.

[cassidy]

Lawyers? just a guess.

An educated guess I presume :) BINGO!

[Lavinia]

Lavinia,

This is where I will have to disagree with you. If parenting in their younger years that shape their morals and values, then kids peers will not change them, unless the morals and values taught in those younger years were flawed as in too many cases today. Casey and Lee Anthony being the poster children for that.

I think theoretically speaking you are right, and I think for the most part a kid will honor what they are taught *in the long run*, but it only takes a bit of awe or admiration or even just novelty at another's lifestyle that can lead a person to make a mistake they never would have otherwise. Then you have rebellion which can occur in a completely normal child as an extension of independence and if a kid has the combo of rebellion and an unfavorable peer in the mix, you can have a powder keg on your hands. I also don't think you can discount free will in another person even if it is your child. I have seen plenty of examples of fine parenting and all the other kids in the family do well but one and I have seen great kids come from awful parenting. I think part of growing up is making mistakes and learning from them. That's just been my experiences with being a child and having kids though. Lordy B, I'm fallible with all this, too.

[ish]

I think theoretically speaking you are right, and I think for the most part a kid will honor what they are taught *in the long run*, but it only takes a bit of awe or admiration or even just novelty at another's lifestyle that can lead a person to make a mistake they never would have otherwise. Then you have rebellion which can occur in a completely normal child as an extension of independence and if a kid has the combo of rebellion and an unfavorable peer in the mix, you can have a powder keg on your hands. I also don't think you can discount free will in another person even if it is your child. I have seen plenty of examples of fine parenting and all the other kids in the family do well but one and I have seen great kids come from awful parenting. I think part of growing up is making mistakes and learning from them. That's just been my experiences with being a child and having kids though. Lordy B, I'm fallible with all this, too.

In most cases I think kids may stray from the values and ideals that they were taught from birth but most will eventually come full circle back to those same values and ideals.

It does take some longer to get back there however!!!

[bchand]

I sometimes wonder if I watch these hearings correctly -

Did I miss this?

Judge Jose Rodriguez denied a request to throw the lawsuit out earlier this year, but on Tuesday, said he "may have been wrong in that instance."

I really didn't hear him say that.

Also this - same article:

Meanwhile, Anthony's criminal defense attorney has been cleared of all formal complaints against him by the Florida Bar. Jose Baez was cleared of a complaint made by a private investigator last week, and on Tuesday the bar cleared him of a complaint regarding allegations that he was improperly profiting from book and movie deals.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20779118/detail.html

[Lavinia]

In most cases I think kids may stray from the values and ideals that they were taught from birth but most will eventually come full circle back to those same values and ideals.

It does take some longer to get back there however!!!

Agree Ishy. If they don't get lost on the way, I think most will make it home. I think Casey is home where she is. :wink:

[Chardonnay]

On Mike Galanas right now, he's showing lots of pictures of Caylee, and in 95% of them, Caylee is not even cracking a smile.. Sure makes you wonder why....:crying:

[Katprint]

An educated guess I presume :) BINGO!
Why have trials at all? Why not just let the police permanently incarcerate whomever they choose? Sure, it would be rough on people like the wrongly-accused Duke lacrosse team or the parents of Jon Benet Ramsey, but it would save so much time! [/sarcasm]

Katprint
Who frequently represents innocent people
Always only my own opinions

[Kathlb]

I sometimes wonder if I watch these hearings correctly -

Did I miss this?

Judge Jose Rodriguez denied a request to throw the lawsuit out earlier this year, but on Tuesday, said he "may have been wrong in that instance."

I really didn't hear him say that.

Also this - same article:

Meanwhile, Anthony's criminal defense attorney has been cleared of all formal complaints against him by the Florida Bar. Jose Baez was cleared of a complaint made by a private investigator last week, and on Tuesday the bar cleared him of a complaint regarding allegations that he was improperly profiting from book and movie deals.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20779118/detail.html

I about fell off my chair when he second guessed himself outloud in court. I would assume that the lawyers were stunned into silence too. I really don't know what I think of this judge in total yet, but I'm leaning toward feeling like I did about the judge in the Anna Nicole case which isn't too good.

And I'm fast losing faith in the Florida Bar assn. too. :sad: JMHO

[nana6]

Yep, this case really is that simple. I wonder how and why it got so complicated?:sneaky:

Hi Dells, IMO it got complicated because Cindy was doing the ring around the rosey dance so fast our heads were swimming and we didn't know which way was up!!!! It is SOOO hard to follow her just like her daughter!!!

[ish]

Agree Ishy. If they don't get lost on the way, I think most will make it home. I think Casey is home where she is. :wink:

Right on, Casey went full circle, right back to what she learned at momma's knee.

[crimeq]

I sometimes wonder if I watch these hearings correctly -

Did I miss this?

Judge Jose Rodriguez denied a request to throw the lawsuit out earlier this year, but on Tuesday, said he "may have been wrong in that instance."

I really didn't hear him say that.

Also this - same article:

Meanwhile, Anthony's criminal defense attorney has been cleared of all formal complaints against him by the Florida Bar. Jose Baez was cleared of a complaint made by a private investigator last week, and on Tuesday the bar cleared him of a complaint regarding allegations that he was improperly profiting from book and movie deals.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20779118/detail.html

Hmm, do you think that was the complaint JudgeS filed? :w00t:

[Kathlb]

[quote=neid_77;13453568]:smile:can someone here help me please cuase i am having a hard time understanding something!

WHY WHY!! HAS nancy grace dropped caylee Marie like a bad habit!?!?!?! /sniped/

Because Leonard Padilla won't answer her phone calls or emails anymore?? :w00t:

I think it started when she was going to do a complete show on Cindy. All of a sudden it was dropped and she's never mentioned Cindy or Casey since. I don't know if Cindy sicked a lawyer on her or what. :confused:

[bchand]

I about fell off my chair when he second guessed himself outloud in court. I would assume that the lawyers were stunned into silence too. I really don't know what I think of this judge in total yet, but I'm leaning toward feeling like I did about the judge in the Anna Nicole case which isn't too good.

And I'm fast losing faith in the Florida Bar assn. too. :sad: JMHO

So you did hear him say that? I totally missed it.

[Dells]

:smile:can someone here help me please cuase i am having a hard time understanding something!

WHY WHY!! HAS nancy grace dropped caylee Marie like a bad habit!?!?!?! she never updates this case at all anymore..what did she do use caylee for what she was worth? why can't she do a 10-20 min segiment on it!~!?!?!? I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!! she kept people abraced for so long and then wam NOTHING! what is she done USING CAYLEE?:cursing::confused:

I wish I could help you, but I don't understand it either.

I understand the lack of day to day coverage because the trial is still a long way away, and other cases have grabbed the headlines recently. But, what I don't understand is why NG doesn't even cover this case when something big happens. I think it was a bombshell when the judge ordered that the interviews from LP and his gang could be released and also when the judge ordered on the motion that allowed the check fraud trial to proceed. And yet, there was not even one tiny mention of it on NG's show. Nothing. I don't get it. How do you go from covering this case virtually non stop for so long to not covering it at all. Something doesn't feel right about this.

[nana6]

I wish I could help you, but I don't understand it either.

I understand the lack of day to day coverage because the trial is still a long way away, and other cases have grabbed the headlines recently. But, what I don't understand is why NG doesn't even cover this case when something big happens. I think it was a bombshell when the judge ordered that the interviews from LP and his gang could be released and also when the judge ordered on the motion that allowed the check fraud trial to proceed. And yet, there was not even one tiny mention of it on NG's show. Nothing. I don't get it. How do you go from covering this case virtually non stop for so long to not covering it at all. Something doesn't feel right about this.

maybe we can email her and ask??

[Kathlb]

So you did hear him say that? I totally missed it.

Yep, he said it loud and clear. :scared:

[Imperfect4]

Yep, this case really is that simple. I wonder how and why it got so complicated?:sneaky:

Imo, the wholesale lying on the part of the victim's immediate family is both the how and the why.

[ish]

Why have trials at all? Why not just let the police permanently incarcerate whomever they choose? Sure, it would be rough on people like the wrongly-accused Duke lacrosse team or the parents of Jon Benet Ramsey, but it would save so much time! [/sarcasm]

Katprint
Who frequently represents innocent people
Always only my own opinions

Sorry Katprint, didn't mean to offend a fellow poster and a legal eagle at that. But lots of those who messed up the Duke case were lawyers and many posters here thought the accusations were unfounded. Lots of questions on Jon Benet's parents are still out there. Much as I would look to a lawyer for advice if needed, it seems in a lot of these cases, lawyers muddy the water with unrelated issues and attempts to place suspicion on others instead of challenging the evidence (which I have no problem with).

[Imperfect4]

In most cases I think kids may stray from the values and ideals that they were taught from birth but most will eventually come full circle back to those same values and ideals.

It does take some longer to get back there however!!!

It doesn't appear Casey strayed from the values and ideals she was taught for even a split second. :glare:

[Lavinia]

maybe we can email her and ask??

Hmm. That's too easy, lol. I'll email her right now! Will keep you informed.

ETA: O/T Check out the ringtones on Nancy's site. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/ :lol:

[ClimbingRose]

I´d like to thank today:

Lavinia, Scampi, bchand, KittyMom, newsjunkie, Postergeist, sun, Rapunzel, Chardonnay, Kathlb, cassidy, desmom, Imperfect4, vagal, need2no, Mac, 101Spots, ClimbingRose, Roux, 5boxersmom, Barbara fl., Cury-us Coyote, Holden, Fool Me Once, summer4meplz, Dells, martha, Ellie, neid 77, happygert, margaritaville, marshmallow, jakee, legalmania, djmsmom, cuddlyrunner, imc e, summer, Sweetly, KatieLadie, frances1, LlaFren, court~critic, Kathlb, MGM111, Diney, calalily, really3997, kelloggirl, Pat, ruth 66, Jester, nana6, kakax, ttcRider, AnniePie, Explorer, Katprint, Lapis, and last not least ish!

Has been a pleasure with all of you, thx for infos and I have to go to bed now. Had a looong day today.
Keep well and enjoy the rest of your day!!!

LL



I am truly touched and honored to be mentioned with some of the most wonderful posters I have had the honor to know. My glass raised to the many days forthcoming that will force me into depends, fanny packs and a force to be reckoned with for saving seats for all my friends. For the team, I will keep a daily calender and personal contact with Lenny making many date arrangements.:thumbsup:

[Katprint]

I sometimes wonder if I watch these hearings correctly -

Did I miss this?

Judge Jose Rodriguez denied a request to throw the lawsuit out earlier this year, but on Tuesday, said he "may have been wrong in that instance."

I really didn't hear him say that.

Also this - same article:

Meanwhile, Anthony's criminal defense attorney has been cleared of all formal complaints against him by the Florida Bar. Jose Baez was cleared of a complaint made by a private investigator last week, and on Tuesday the bar cleared him of a complaint regarding allegations that he was improperly profiting from book and movie deals.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20779118/detail.html
I thought I heard the judge say that he might have previously been wrong not to stay (i.e. postpone) the civil case. Quite frankly, I thought the civil case should have been stayed. I have successfully sought stays in civil cases with far less serious criminal charges pending (generally felony DUIs involving auto accident personal injury claims.)

The judge could enter a Temporary Restraining Order or Writ of Attachment along with the stay, to prevent Casey from transferring assets which might otherwise be available for levying upon in the event a civil judgment is entered against her. That would protect ZFG from Casey (or more importantly Cindy) selling book/movie/TV rights, additional pictures and videos of Caylee and/or Casey, and whatever other valuable property - regardless whether tangible property, intellectual property or other type of valuable property - that Casey currently has but might no longer have in the future. It wouldn't be fair to prevent ZFG from getting a civil judgment until after all the potential assets subject to collection were gone.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Imperfect4]

I sometimes wonder if I watch these hearings correctly -

Did I miss this?

Judge Jose Rodriguez denied a request to throw the lawsuit out earlier this year, but on Tuesday, said he "may have been wrong in that instance."

I really didn't hear him say that.

Also this - same article:

Meanwhile, Anthony's criminal defense attorney has been cleared of all formal complaints against him by the Florida Bar. Jose Baez was cleared of a complaint made by a private investigator last week, and on Tuesday the bar cleared him of a complaint regarding allegations that he was improperly profiting from book and movie deals.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20779118/detail.html

Ooookaaaayyyyy ... so we can assume the book/movie deal profits complaint was made by Strickland, since the other complaint was from Casey?

I'm just :blink: to think Strickland's complaint didn't carry more weight. WTH?

[Sun]

I wish I could help you, but I don't understand it either.

I understand the lack of day to day coverage because the trial is still a long way away, and other cases have grabbed the headlines recently. But, what I don't understand is why NG doesn't even cover this case when something big happens. I think it was a bombshell when the judge ordered that the interviews from LP and his gang could be released and also when the judge ordered on the motion that allowed the check fraud trial to proceed. And yet, there was not even one tiny mention of it on NG's show. Nothing. I don't get it. How do you go from covering this case virtually non stop for so long to not covering it at all. Something doesn't feel right about this.

I can't fault NG for backing off covering this case. The important thing to me was that NG didn't back off until sometime "after" Caylee's remains were found. This case has to have been very, very difficult for NG, given that she has very young children herself. ....I really can't fault anyone for wanting to stay as far away from the Anthonys as possible. Seems like everyone that touches these people, have to hire their own attorney. :rolleyes:

[ClimbingRose]

As for the acquittal of Jose Baez in two of his bar complaints, should we be surprised that an ethics committee of attorneys and prominent business owners found JB innocent of any ethical breaches?



KARMA BABY!:tonguewag:

[Bala]

[QUOTE=Eagleeye;13453684]

I think it started when she was going to do a complete show on Cindy. All of a sudden it was dropped and she's never mentioned Cindy or Casey since. I don't know if Cindy sicked a lawyer on her or what. :confused:
Something must have happened because the last time I watched her show she was almost nice to the defense lawyers.

[Bala]

As for the acquittal of Jose Baez in two of his bar complaints, should we be surprised that an ethics committee of attorneys and prominent business owners found JB innocent of any ethical breaches?



KARMA BABY!:tonguewag:
I think when all is said and done in this case the Florida Bar is going to be scrambling for someone to take the blame for their failure to see Baez for what he is.

[Imperfect4]

I think when all is said and done in this case the Florida Bar is going to be scrambling for someone to take the blame for their failure to see Baez for what he is.

I so agree with you, Bala.

[bchand]

I thought I heard the judge say that he might have previously been wrong not to stay (i.e. postpone) the civil case. Quite frankly, I thought the civil case should have been stayed. I have successfully sought stays in civil cases with far less serious criminal charges pending (generally felony DUIs involving auto accident personal injury claims.)

The judge could enter a Temporary Restraining Order or Writ of Attachment along with the stay, to prevent Casey from transferring assets which might otherwise be available for levying upon in the event a civil judgment is entered against her. That would protect ZFG from Casey (or more importantly Cindy) selling book/movie/TV rights, additional pictures and videos of Caylee and/or Casey, and whatever other valuable property - regardless whether tangible property, intellectual property or other type of valuable property - that Casey currently has but might no longer have in the future. It wouldn't be fair to prevent ZFG from getting a civil judgment until after all the potential assets subject to collection were gone.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Oh wouldn't that just get to Cindy.

I wonder if this issue is what he was concerned about when he mentioned neither attorney brought something up? I know he mentioned a gag order (that no one asked for one.)

[Katprint]

I can't fault NG for backing off covering this case. The important thing to me was that NG didn't back off until sometime "after" Caylee's remains were found. This case has to have been very, very difficult for NG, given that she has very young children herself. ....I really can't fault anyone for wanting to stay as far away from the Anthonys as possible. Seems like everyone that touches these people, have to hire their own attorney. :rolleyes:
Now that Caylee's remains have been found, much of the mysterious intrigue has been lost.

Some of us are entertained by the ongoing Anthony freak show, similar to people who enjoy watching horror movies and shouting "Don't split up! Don't go into the woods alone!" at the screen. And so we continue to follow the case. However, I suspect the majority of NG's viewers began to lose interest after Caylee's remains were discovered and the full details concerning the duct tape around the skull, the plants growing through the rib cage etc. proving the remains had been there since summer, the various household items connecting the remains to the Anthony residence (as opposed to some nearby sex offender's residence) and so on were made public. It's like the Nightmare on Hopespring Street movie is over, and everyone knows what happened and who-done-it. A few people may watch the Director's Cut with commentaries and making-of documentaries, but most people lose interest after they have satisfied their curiosity.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[crimeq]

I thought I heard the judge say that he might have previously been wrong not to stay (i.e. postpone) the civil case. Quite frankly, I thought the civil case should have been stayed. I have successfully sought stays in civil cases with far less serious criminal charges pending (generally felony DUIs involving auto accident personal injury claims.)

The judge could enter a Temporary Restraining Order or Writ of Attachment along with the stay, to prevent Casey from transferring assets which might otherwise be available for levying upon in the event a civil judgment is entered against her. That would protect ZFG from Casey (or more importantly Cindy) selling book/movie/TV rights, additional pictures and videos of Caylee and/or Casey, and whatever other valuable property - regardless whether tangible property, intellectual property or other type of valuable property - that Casey currently has but might no longer have in the future. It wouldn't be fair to prevent ZFG from getting a civil judgment until after all the potential assets subject to collection were gone.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat, would this also tie up donations made to the Anthony's foundation?

Could a TRO or Writ of Attachment prevent Anthonys from spending anything that came in, via Caylee?

[crimeq]

Ooookaaaayyyyy ... so we can assume the book/movie deal profits complaint was made by Strickland, since the other complaint was from Casey?

I'm just :blink: to think Strickland's complaint didn't carry more weight. WTH?

Didn't we learn of this other complaint being filed against Jose shortly after the incamera session about how Casey's lawyers were being paid?

JudgeS came out satisfied about that, but I wonder if he picked up that Jose, too, would be profiting--in ways other than having his legal bills paid?

[bchand]

Now that Caylee's remains have been found, much of the mysterious intrigue has been lost.

Some of us are entertained by the ongoing Anthony freak show, similar to people who enjoy watching horror movies and shouting "Don't split up! Don't go into the woods alone!" at the screen. And so we continue to follow the case. However, I suspect the majority of NG's viewers began to lose interest after Caylee's remains were discovered and the full details concerning the duct tape around the skull, the plants growing through the rib cage etc. proving the remains had been there since summer, the various household items connecting the remains to the Anthony residence (as opposed to some nearby sex offender's residence) and so on were made public. It's like the Nightmare on Hopespring Street movie is over, and everyone knows what happened and who-done-it. A few people may watch the Director's Cut with commentaries and making-of documentaries, but most people lose interest after they have satisfied their curiosity.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

That sounds like a wonderful argument against the COV.

Another argument I thought of today was the lack of participation in Lenny & Richard Grund's memorial. I think there is a country-wide interest by those of us interested in these cases, but locally I believe the interest has definitely died off.

[Lavinia]

Now that Caylee's remains have been found, much of the mysterious intrigue has been lost.

Some of us are entertained by the ongoing Anthony freak show, similar to people who enjoy watching horror movies and shouting "Don't split up! Don't go into the woods alone!" at the screen. And so we continue to follow the case. However, I suspect the majority of NG's viewers began to lose interest after Caylee's remains were discovered and the full details concerning the duct tape around the skull, the plants growing through the rib cage etc. proving the remains had been there since summer, the various household items connecting the remains to the Anthony residence (as opposed to some nearby sex offender's residence) and so on were made public. It's like the Nightmare on Hopespring Street movie is over, and everyone knows what happened and who-done-it. A few people may watch the Director's Cut with commentaries and making-of documentaries, but most people lose interest after they have satisfied their curiosity.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Great analogies! :thumbsup:

[Katprint]

Kat, would this also tie up donations made to the Anthony's foundation?

Could a TRO or Writ of Attachment prevent Anthonys from spending anything that came in, via Caylee?
I don't think Casey has an ownership interest in George and Cindy's foundation. However, Casey arguably has an ownership interest in the photos/videos she took of her own daughter as well as photos/videos of Casey herself. Similarly, as Caylee's presumptive heir, Casey should also have the right to inherit Caylee's ownership interest in any exploitation of Caylee's name/image - including ongoing exploitations by Cindy.

Most states protect a person's "right of publicity" from unauthorized exploitation. That "right of publicity" can be inherited just like any other property right. By way of example, Elvis' estate vigorously protects and defends its ownership of his image including his name, vocal recordings, photos, videos, etc. The heirs of Elvis' estate benefit from the royalties generated from the exploitation of that intangible - but extremely valuable - property.

Side note: When a debtor gifts valuable property to friends/relatives so that creditors cannot levy on that property, that is called a "fraudulent conveyance" and the transfer can be set aside by the creditor. That is what happened to OJ when he tried to give his book publication rights and royalties to a shell company owned by his children - the Goldman family was able to set aside the transfer as a fraudulent conveyance, and take control of the book publication rights and royalties. When you buy OJ's book "If I DID IT," neither OJ nor his children get the royalties.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[martha]

That sounds like a wonderful argument against the COV.

Another argument I thought of today was the lack of participation in Lenny & Richard Grund's memorial. I think there is a country-wide interest by those of us interested in these cases, but locally I believe the interest has definitely died off.
I sure think you may be right about this. I try to talk to people about this case and they know nothing about it. or they heard something about it a long time ago but have forgotten about the case and don;t know anything that is going on in it now. I guess some people got tired of ng talking about it every night. I like to hear her because I don;t get any news on the tv about it much. I get my news from all the good posters here. All of you know more about it anyway than ng does. She is on the other little cummings girl now which I am worried about too. I pray that child is not dead but something is strange about that case too. Our children or not safe any where now. You have to keep them with you every min of ever day. it is a sad world we live in.I am happy to have all of you to keep me up to date on everything that is going on in casey;s case and maybe one day we will get to see a trial. jmho:wub:

[desmom]

Raw Video: Casey's Attorney Talks After Civil Case Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/20796934/index.html

Raw Video: Zenaida's Attorney Talks After Civil Case Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/20797070/index.html

[Beep]

Testing the waters here. Big toe in the pool. Feels okay so far.

I am, yet, another long-time lurker. I have followed this case since it broke over a year ago. I think this board is amazing! Such a great soundboard and source of support. I look forward to sharing with you regularly.

Beep

[101Spots]

Question for Kat and/or Lapis:

Assuming that Judge Weenie stays the civil case, would M&M still conduct depositions? Could he rule that Cindy and George have to answer and DCasey has to show up, or does the stay mean that M&M are out of business totally until the stay is over?

[101Spots]

Testing the waters here. Big toe in the pool. Feels okay so far.

I am, yet, another long-time lurker. I have followed this case since it broke over a year ago. I think this board is amazing! Such a great soundboard and source of support. I look forward to sharing with you regularly.

Beep

Hi Beep! :seeya:

I've heard so much about you from the Roadrunner. :lol:

Just kidding. Sorta.

Jump in - the water's fine.

[AnniePie]

can someone here help me please cuase i am having a hard time understanding something!

WHY WHY!! HAS nancy grace dropped caylee Marie like a bad habit!?!?!?! she never updates this case at all anymore..what did she do use caylee for what she was worth? why can't she do a 10-20 min segiment on it!~!?!?!? I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!! she kept people abraced for so long and then wam NOTHING! what is she done USING CAYLEE?:cursing::confused:

Calm down, Neid. Here's a nice cup of cocoa for you... :smile:

Nancy (as per her Facebook today) is doing tonight's program on Caylee.

[Dells]

Testing the waters here. Big toe in the pool. Feels okay so far.

I am, yet, another long-time lurker. I have followed this case since it broke over a year ago. I think this board is amazing! Such a great soundboard and source of support. I look forward to sharing with you regularly.

Beep

Welcome to the board. :seeya: Glad to have you posting here w/us.:smile:

[AnniePie]

In most cases I think kids may stray from the values and ideals that they were taught from birth but most will eventually come full circle back to those same values and ideals.

It does take some longer to get back there however!!!

Yes, I do believe that. I always tell my kids that they're working on their testimony as to how God changed their lives around. :laugh:

[bchand]

Testing the waters here. Big toe in the pool. Feels okay so far.

I am, yet, another long-time lurker. I have followed this case since it broke over a year ago. I think this board is amazing! Such a great soundboard and source of support. I look forward to sharing with you regularly.

Beep

:::got your toe:::


Welcome to the boards Beep!

[Lavinia]

Testing the waters here. Big toe in the pool. Feels okay so far.

I am, yet, another long-time lurker. I have followed this case since it broke over a year ago. I think this board is amazing! Such a great soundboard and source of support. I look forward to sharing with you regularly.

Beep

Hey Beep! Were you ever here as "honk"? :laugh:

Welcome. We have a group of great posters here.

[Dells]

Question for Kat and/or Lapis:

Assuming that Judge Weenie stays the civil case, would M&M still conduct depositions? Could he rule that Cindy and George have to answer and DCasey has to show up, or does the stay mean that M&M are out of business totally until the stay is over?

That is a very good question and I am curious to hear the answer to it. From my standpoint, I would like the depositions to still go forward while the information is still relatively fresh in their minds. If they delay the civil case until after the murder case, it could be years before it will go to trial and if they further delay the depositions, then everyone's memory will just get fuzzier and fuzzier. If the case is not thrown out of court, then I hope they do allow the depositions now, even if the case is delayed.

[AnniePie]

[QUOTE=Kathlb;13453697]
Something must have happened because the last time I watched her show she was almost nice to the defense lawyers.

:confused: :laugh:

[Dells]

Calm down, Neid. Here's a nice cup of cocoa for you... :smile:

Nancy (as per her Facebook today) is doing tonight's program on Caylee.

Bolding mine....

Thank you so much for that information. :seeya: I will make sure to tune into her show tonight!

[AnniePie]

Testing the waters here. Big toe in the pool. Feels okay so far.

I am, yet, another long-time lurker. I have followed this case since it broke over a year ago. I think this board is amazing! Such a great soundboard and source of support. I look forward to sharing with you regularly.

Beep

Wow! Jump in, the water is great!

I can never understand how people such as you have such wonderful self-control. I found this board and jumped into the deep end and haven't stopped swimming yet. Wecome!

[Beep]

Hi Beep! :seeya:

I've heard so much about you from the Roadrunner. :lol:

Just kidding. Sorta.

Jump in - the water's fine.

Hi 101 Spots!
Thanks for the warm welcome. Roadrunner. That's a blast from the past! Okay. I'm going to take off one of my water wings now and descend into the shallow end of the pool. Look forward to posting with you. I DO have some thoughts that I would like to share.

Beep

[Imperfect4]

Didn't we learn of this other complaint being filed against Jose shortly after the incamera session about how Casey's lawyers were being paid?

JudgeS came out satisfied about that, but I wonder if he picked up that Jose, too, would be profiting--in ways other than having his legal bills paid?

Your thoughts on the timing of the other complaint are the same as mine.

I really don't get this at all.

[Bala]

Bala (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/member.php?u=152426)
Registered User
Join Date: May 2009
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[quote=Kathlb;13453697]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleeye

I think it started when she was going to do a complete show on Cindy. All of a sudden it was dropped and she's never mentioned Cindy or Casey since. I don't know if Cindy sicked a lawyer on her or what. :confused:

"Something must have happened because the last time I watched her show she was almost nice to the defense lawyers."

Bala, you quoted that improperly. I did not make that post.
Sorry I just pressed the quote button and that's what came up.

[Lapis]

Question for Kat and/or Lapis:

Assuming that Judge Weenie stays the civil case, would M&M still conduct depositions? Could he rule that Cindy and George have to answer and DCasey has to show up, or does the stay mean that M&M are out of business totally until the stay is over?

It depends. The judge could determine that everything must stop because of the impact it could have on the criminal trial. Or he could determine that discovery can continue but that Casey not be required to answer any questions until the stay is lifted. He may make a ruling on George and Cindy as the bulk of their depositions are already done and indicate that M&M can ask the questions they seek and only those questions. As for DC he can make a determination whether DC should testify and determine the deposition must wait until after he rules on the stay.

If he determines discovery can go forward he can seal the transcripts until after the stay is lifted. JMO

[Imperfect4]

Raw Video: Casey's Attorney Talks After Civil Case Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/20796934/index.html

Raw Video: Zenaida's Attorney Talks After Civil Case Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/20797070/index.html

Mitnick didn't look nor did he sound like a happy camper. imo

By a show of hands, who watched Kasen? I can't bring myself to do it.

[Sweetly]

Welcome Beep. Nice toe, btw. Yup a lot of us have been here since the beginning of this circus. We've seen so much of it we could just barf. We just all want JUSTICE served on a silver platter for our baby Caylee.

[Sweetly]

Mitnick didn't look nor did he sound like a happy camper. imo

By a show of hands, who watched Kasen? I can't bring myself to do it.

The live version or the posted re-runs? I watched live n it was too much mumbo jumbo for this maiden.

[Beep]

Welcome to the board. :seeya: Glad to have you posting here w/us.:smile:

Hi Dells! I thank you for the welcome. When I first started reading the board and saw your nic I thought, immediately about the Wisconsin Dells. I'm a Chicago native and spent most of my summers in the NW corner of Wisconsin. We ALWAYS stopped at the Dells.

What do you think will happen tomorrow in the civil case? Do the Anthony's have any argument against giving further testimony?

Best wishes,

Beep

[Imperfect4]

Everybody -- heads up!

Double check yourself when you quote. The quotes are slippery in here today.

It's easy to do. Just look at what's being quoted before you type your response, and make sure there's only ONE poster's name in brackets at the top of the quote. If there's a second name, delete it.

Failing that, check your own post as soon as you submit to make sure it posted correctly. If it didn't, click Edit and fix that puppy. :smile:

[Imperfect4]

The live version or the posted re-runs? I watched live n it was too much mumbo jumbo for this maiden.

The raw video desmom posted upthread to the attorneys' interviews with media after the hearing.

[Beep]

:::got your toe:::


Welcome to the boards Beep!

Thank you. I have always respected and looked forward to your posts!

Beep

[Imperfect4]

:confused: What happened today? I'm not sure I understand. Will there still be a hearing tomorrow about Cindy and George? Will it be the same Judge?

TIA

Nothing happened, really, 2witchy. Judge Rodriguez will make a decision on whether the civil case can proceed in a month or so. :rolleyes:

Tomorrow, M&M will argue to force George to answer the rest of his depo questions from way back when, as well as something about interrogatories (sorry, the details done slipped through one of the many cracks in my mind).

[bchand]

:confused: What happened today? I'm not sure I understand. Will there still be a hearing tomorrow about Cindy and George? Will it be the same Judge?

TIA

Today was about whether to delay the civil case (Zenaida) or to have it thrown out completely.

No decision.

Tomorrow it's about Cindy & George having to answer all the questions asked of them. Same judge, yes.

[bchand]

The raw video desmom posted upthread to the attorneys' interviews with media after the hearing.

I listened to it Imp. His facial hair distracts me too much. I have a hard time concentrating on what he's saying.

He seems like one of those "young looking" guys who think facial hair makes them look older. It doesn't. IMO

[101Spots]

It depends. The judge could determine that everything must stop because of the impact it could have on the criminal trial. Or he could determine that discovery can continue but that Casey not be required to answer any questions until the stay is lifted. He may make a ruling on George and Cindy as the bulk of their depositions are already done and indicate that M&M can ask the questions they seek and only those questions. As for DC he can make a determination whether DC should testify and determine the deposition must wait until after he rules on the stay.

If he determines discovery can go forward he can seal the transcripts until after the stay is lifted. JMO

Thank you for your response.

So, it's a maybe, in case of, possibly, chances are kinda thing.

Drat.

[bchand]

Hi Dells! I thank you for the welcome. When I first started reading the board and saw your nic I thought, immediately about the Wisconsin Dells. I'm a Chicago native and spent most of my summers in the NW corner of Wisconsin. We ALWAYS stopped at the Dells.

What do you think will happen tomorrow in the civil case? Do the Anthony's have any argument against giving further testimony?

Best wishes,

Beep


Sure they do Beep - THEY don't think some of the questions are relevant. (I think it's only fair that Jose should ask them what law school they attended as he did Kathi Belich.)

[Imperfect4]

I listened to it Imp. His facial hair distracts me too much. I have a hard time concentrating on what he's saying.

He seems like one of those "young looking" guys who think facial hair makes them look older. It doesn't. IMO

Thanks, bchand. I think I'll pass.

[summer]

It depends. The judge could determine that everything must stop because of the impact it could have on the criminal trial. Or he could determine that discovery can continue but that Casey not be required to answer any questions until the stay is lifted. He may make a ruling on George and Cindy as the bulk of their depositions are already done and indicate that M&M can ask the questions they seek and only those questions. As for DC he can make a determination whether DC should testify and determine the deposition must wait until after he rules on the stay.

If he determines discovery can go forward he can seal the transcripts until after the stay is lifted. JMO

I don't see what legal standing DC has after he flipped the bird at M&M by refusing to show up. I didn't see him in court asking Rodriguez for any kind of relief or giving any reason. I don't know why the guy isn't already facing a contempt charge. I think it's pretty cut and dry myself.

At least George and Cindy came to the party, albeit kicking and screaming and not really cooperating, but they did come.

p.s. Hiya Beep!

[summer]

Double Drat

By the way...Mitnik says that the motion to compel is for George and Casey......What happened to the questions that Cindy would not answer?????

And I was so hoping to see Cindy implode in court....Triple drat:rolleyes:

Well they're all very special people but Queen Cindy is especially special. She answers to a higher authority (cue Kosher hotdog jingle).

[101Spots]

Double Drat

By the way...Mitnik says that the motion to compel is for George and Casey......What happened to the questions that Cindy would not answer?????

And I was so hoping to see Cindy implode in court....Triple drat:rolleyes:

I'm reeeeeeeeeeeally hoping he just got his players mixed up. It's not as though he's been attending the depositions or paying attention or anything. :rolleyes:

[bchand]

Hi 101 Spots!
Thanks for the warm welcome. Roadrunner. That's a blast from the past! Okay. I'm going to take off one of my water wings now and descend into the shallow end of the pool. Look forward to posting with you. I DO have some thoughts that I would like to share.

Beep

What are some of your thoughts Beep?

[bchand]

Okay. Thanks for that explanation. But I'm still confused. Both of these hearings had to do with the Civil case,right? If the Judge is unsure to allow the case to move forward why the hearing tomorrow? How can he rule on that if he doesn't know if the case will move forward?

I'm sorry, don't mean to be dim-witted.

2w4u

We don't know either. Someone here heard Mitnick ask the judge that question right after the judge ended for the day. The judge said tomorrow goes on?

[Kathlb]

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Sorry I just pressed the quote button and that's what came up.

LOL Eagleeye was the one with the good quote about her being almost nice to the defense lawyers. :thumbup:

[Kathlb]

We don't know either. Someone here heard Mitnick ask the judge that question right after the judge ended for the day. The judge said tomorrow goes on?

I'm guessing that the judge said it will go forward, the question is when. MOO? And tomorrow is going on since he may rule that they have to finish answering questions now.

[Dells]

Mitnick didn't look nor did he sound like a happy camper. imo

By a show of hands, who watched Kasen? I can't bring myself to do it.

I didn't watch Kasen's either.:blushing: I did watch Mitnick's though and I agree he didn't sound too happy. He seemed very subdued.

[ish]

Do you all think G & C will be in court tomorrow? I think last time things didn't go George's way (autopsy release). George got very huffy and slammed out of the courtroom leaving poor Brad Conway alone. Let's hope for more fireworks tomorrow. I love it when George gets all manly. When they get home, Cindy will make him sit in the sun porch with Tillie and Tinker, till he stops mumbling and cursing. Cindy will be on the computer working on the next chapter of her book. Her courtroom 'buddy" will leave some notes on areas to work on with regard to improving the public perception of them and after a chili dinner they will use them to "role play" before watching Nancy Grace and retiring for the night. :wink:

[Lapis]

I don't see what legal standing DC has after he flipped the bird at M&M by refusing to show up. I didn't see him in court asking Rodriguez for any kind of relief or giving any reason. I don't know why the guy isn't already facing a contempt charge. I think it's pretty cut and dry myself.

At least George and Cindy came to the party, albeit kicking and screaming and not really cooperating, but they did come.

p.s. Hiya Beep!

He is standing on the priviledge argument. The priviledge belongs to Casey and not to DC so it doesn't matter that he didn't show. He did sent a letter indicating he would not be appearing. JMO

[101Spots]

Okay. Thanks for that explanation. But I'm still confused. Both of these hearings had to do with the Civil case,right? If the Judge is unsure to allow the case to move forward why the hearing tomorrow? How can he rule on that if he doesn't know if the case will move forward?

I'm sorry, don't mean to be dim-witted.

2w4u

You're not. Judge is.

Seriously, this whole cart-before-the-horse thing is ridiculous. Why not schedule all the motions regarding this one case at the same time?

[Dells]

Hi Dells! I thank you for the welcome. When I first started reading the board and saw your nic I thought, immediately about the Wisconsin Dells. I'm a Chicago native and spent most of my summers in the NW corner of Wisconsin. We ALWAYS stopped at the Dells.

What do you think will happen tomorrow in the civil case? Do the Anthony's have any argument against giving further testimony?

Best wishes,

Beep

Oh, how funny! My nic "Dells" comes from the fact that my family and I love to go to the Wisconsin Dells! We go every year and my 3 kids love it.:wub:

I have no idea what will happen tomorrow, but I hope the judge makes George and Cindy answer the questions. I hope the judge has had a chance to review the tapes of George's and Cindy's depositions and I hope he has a few choice words for them for their reprehensible behavior.:sneaky:

[summer]

Do you all think G & C will be in court tomorrow? I think last time things didn't go George's way (autopsy release). George got very huffy and slammed out of the courtroom leaving poor Brad Conway alone. Let's hope for more fireworks tomorrow. I love it when George gets all manly. When they get home, Cindy will make him sit in the sun porch with Tillie and Tinker, till he stops mumbling and cursing. Cindy will be on the computer working on the next chapter of her book. Her courtroom 'buddy" will leave some notes on areas to work on with regard to improving the public perception of them and after a chili dinner they will use them to "role play" before watching Nancy Grace and retiring for the night. :wink:

I do think they'll show up. This gives them a chance to try out their evolving public demeanor in a low level forum (to them IMO). I don't think they have a bit of respect for Rodriguez and rightly so and probably think they can manipulate him to do things their way with the appropriate theatrics.

This is the guy who put off the depos in the first place because they were too grief stricken without bothering to know they'd been all over the place yukking it up in front of the cameras. Same guy who caved to last minute backache excuse. Same guy who acted like a bozo today and didn't even let the attorneys make their arguments. That guy.

Strickland has their number. Rodriguez, not so much.

(I'm very happy to eat crow tomorrow if I'm proven wrong... very happy!)

[Dells]

Nothing happened, really, 2witchy. Judge Rodriguez will make a decision on whether the civil case can proceed in a month or so. :rolleyes:

Tomorrow, M&M will argue to force George to answer the rest of his depo questions from way back when, as well as something about interrogatories (sorry, the details done slipped through one of the many cracks in my mind).

So apparently he is going to make that decision "without haste".

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.:tongueside: Hopefully that amount of time will allow him to make a legally sound decision that will stand up to any and all appeals from Casey's defense team.

[Katprint]

I don't see what legal standing DC has after he flipped the bird at M&M by refusing to show up. I didn't see him in court asking Rodriguez for any kind of relief or giving any reason. I don't know why the guy isn't already facing a contempt charge. I think it's pretty cut and dry myself.

At least George and Cindy came to the party, albeit kicking and screaming and not really cooperating, but they did come.

p.s. Hiya Beep!
You always have legal standing when the court might do something bad to you.

I once had a client, who was plaintiff in a personal injury case, who failed to show up for a deposition BECAUSE HE DIED THE DAY BEFORE. I did not know my client had died; I showed up early for our scheduled pre-deposition meeting, then the court reporter and the other attorney showed up and we all waited for an hour, I tried to call my client at his home, etc. Afterwards I sent him a letter - including a copy of the bill from the court reporter which we were responsible for pursuant to California's civil procedure rules - and a few weeks later I got a call from his daughter who was his estate's executor. His estate was permitted to substitute into the case and continue to pursue his legal rights.

So who knows? Maybe DC will come up with some great reason why he didn't attend the deposition. Perhaps DC's attorney will produce some Florida Supreme Court case directly on point which establishes that everything DC knows about the case is covered by the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and attorney work product privilege and thus protected from disclosure. Perhaps the civil case will be stayed tomorrow and DC will die before he can be compelled to submit to a deposition. Maybe DC and George Anthony will jointly commit suicide to avoid having to deal with Cindy anymore. Anything can happen in this case.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[bchand]

Okay thanks a bunch. I'm not crazy after all. I was giving myself a head ache trying to figure that on out.

Now if you don't mind did I read on here that the Anthony's are taking acting lessons and is there anything to that?

2w4u

lol That was probably from my post this morning about the guy who's been sitting next to Cindy at the hearings. His site advertises this:

One successful appearance on a talk show can change the lives and fortunes of these guests.

At J2SC, we have former Talk Show producers on staff who will teach you how to be a great guest. Someone who will get called back on shows again and again.

If you’ve been booked (or hope to be booked) on a Talk Show, you should contact us first for this specialized media training.

http://www.j2sc.com/p_talkshows.htm

His page specifically:

http://www.j2sc.com/jiml.htm

They talk about his job "as producer of The Today Show" but I can't tell if he's still there or not.

[summer]

He is standing on the priviledge argument. The priviledge belongs to Casey and not to DC so it doesn't matter that he didn't show. He did sent a letter indicating he would not be appearing. JMO

Not to be contrary and thanks for you response, but didn't he send the letter after he didn't show up? Also is that all it takes, sending a letter telling the judge what you want to do without having a hearing of some sort? IIRC M&M were expecting him - were they not privy to the letter? If they were and if that's perfectly legal why are they fighting it now?

[Dells]

Double Drat

By the way...Mitnik says that the motion to compel is for George and Casey......What happened to the questions that Cindy would not answer?????

And I was so hoping to see Cindy implode in court....Triple drat:rolleyes:

Maybe Cindy's was to be heard in court today, but then they just ran out of time? If there wasn't so much interrupting, I am sure they could have gotten to everything on the agenda.:sneaky:

[Bala]

I'm guessing that the judge said it will go forward, the question is when. MOO? And tomorrow is going on since he may rule that they have to finish answering questions now.
I'm hoping the judge will comment on G&C's behavior during the depos and remind them he'll decide what is relevant and what isn't.

[Lapis]

Not to be contrary and thanks for you response, but didn't he send the letter after he didn't show up? Also is that all it takes, sending a letter telling the judge what you want to do without having a hearing of some sort? IIRC M&M were expecting him - were they not privy to the letter? If they were and if that's perfectly legal why are they fighting it now?

No the letter was sent to M&M indicating why he would not be appearing at the deposition. M&M then filed the motion and the court will make the determination whether he needs to appear or not. Everything happened the way it was supposed to. JMO

[summer]

You always have legal standing when the court might do something bad to you.

I once had a client, who was plaintiff in a personal injury case, who failed to show up for a deposition BECAUSE HE DIED THE DAY BEFORE. I did not know my client had died; I showed up early for our scheduled pre-deposition meeting, then the court reporter and the other attorney showed up and we all waited for an hour, I tried to call my client at his home, etc. Afterwards I sent him a letter - including a copy of the bill from the court reporter which we were responsible for pursuant to California's civil procedure rules - and a few weeks later I got a call from his daughter who was his estate's executor. His estate was permitted to substitute into the case and continue to pursue his legal rights.

So who knows? Maybe DC will come up with some great reason why he didn't attend the deposition. Perhaps DC's attorney will produce some Florida Supreme Court case directly on point which establishes that everything DC knows about the case is covered by the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and attorney work product privilege and thus protected from disclosure. Perhaps the civil case will be stayed tomorrow and DC will die before he can be compelled to submit to a deposition. Maybe DC and George Anthony will jointly commit suicide to avoid having to deal with Cindy anymore. Anything can happen in this case.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Haha you're awesome Katprint! But I don't see how an individual can just blow off something he thinks might hurt him and not go through the proper legal channels but maybe, as Lapis says, he did. Doesn't seem so to me!

[Pruddennce]

Okay. Thanks for that explanation. But I'm still confused. Both of these hearings had to do with the Civil case,right? If the Judge is unsure to allow the case to move forward why the hearing tomorrow? How can he rule on that if he doesn't know if the case will move forward?

I'm sorry, don't mean to be dim-witted.

2w4u

Im with you witchy.....I dont get it. he has had the motion how long? and then says he cant rule right now? what? they filed a motion, he was to hear verbal arguments and rule. he already knew what this was about....

what a waste of time....and money.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ttcRider]

Do you all think G & C will be in court tomorrow? I think last time things didn't go George's way (autopsy release). George got very huffy and slammed out of the courtroom leaving poor Brad Conway alone. Let's hope for more fireworks tomorrow. I love it when George gets all manly. When they get home, Cindy will make him sit in the sun porch with Tillie and Tinker, till he stops mumbling and cursing. Cindy will be on the computer working on the next chapter of her book. Her courtroom 'buddy" will leave some notes on areas to work on with regard to improving the public perception of them and after a chili dinner they will use them to "role play" before watching Nancy Grace and retiring for the night. :wink:

:lol:........

[summer]

No the letter was sent to M&M indicating why he would not be appearing at the deposition. M&M then filed the motion and the court will make the determination whether he needs to appear or not. Everything happened the way it was supposed to. JMO

Thanks, Lapis. I must be fuzzy on the details but I bow to your assessment.

[Pruddennce]

I tend to agree with other posters on here that he reminded me of the Judge in the Anna case.

2w4u

he was very strange. the laughter was appalling. disgraceful. thank gawd he resigned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ish]

Dog and pony show....I missed the hearing today but read all these posts.
Judge Rodriguez is a wanna be celebrity. He needs to pay attention to the attorneys and do his job while he's behind that bench.:sneaky:

Instead, he's busy figuring out each attorneys problems and trying to resolve them while being a Judge at the same time.

No decision today? a MONTH? Geesh!

He wouldn't let the attorneys state their case but it appears he wanted to state it for them. WTH? Where did they find this Judge.
What a waste of a morning.

Glad I didn't cancel my hair appointment.:biggrin:

I think he may be a Judge Ito kind of judge. We know how that worked out.

[bchand]

From WFTV.com


Brad Conway said the Anthonys will probably not show up Wednesday. The hearing is set for 3:15 Wednesday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20798712/detail.html

(Last sentence in first article.)

[5swab5]

Hi Guys,

WOW, that was 20 excruciating pages. I really thought something would happen today.

No way am I going back to find the exact posters names, but a few of you were talking about hiring an Attorney if the Anthonys had in any way implicated your son or daughter in all this mess. One poster put up a quote saying that JG was not going to pursue that route "at that time".

Casey has left a ROYAL mess in her wake, and it ain't even got started good yet, IMO.

My question is, could there be something like a class action suit filed, once everyone knows who all is in line to get thrown under the bus? Seems such a shame that even peripheral acquaintances may have to dig into their own pockets for legal representation in all of this.

[Sweetly]

WOw, Jane Weintraub just said the chances of that rare of Henkel duct tape being on the gas cans AND over Caylee's face were 250,000 to 1!!! As if we don't know who put it on Caylee, right Casey?

[ish]

I tend to agree with other posters on here that he reminded me of the Judge in the Anna case.

2w4u

OMG remember him! With the nicknames for the lawyers and schmoozing Anna Nicole's mom and his sobbing over poor Dannilyn and what will happen to her, his lecture to Howard and Larry about taking care of her? What an embarassment. You know if a woman judge had acted like that, instead of laughing people would have been outraged at the unprofessional behavior. Jeez, put some people in front of a camera and watch out! Maybe all trials and courtrooms should be filmed, even if they are not televised just to get the judges acclimated to a camera.

[bchand]

Oh this is interesting. Answers the question earlier about who complained to the bar about Jose.


The Florida Bar cleared Casey Anthony's lead defense attorney Jose Baez of an ethical complaint, accusing him getting paid in the case, according to documents obtained Tuesday by the Orlando Sentinel.

In a Sept. 9th letter from the Bar's grievance committee, the chairman David Golden said the committee "has determined that there is insufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Baez violated" Florida Bar rules and that the case is closed.

The committee began to look into the matter after a self-described freelance journalist and author Shannon Stoy filed a complaint in February. She is president of Blink Development Group, LLC, in Pennington, N.J.

In a six-page complaint, Stoy reported that she believed there was evidence "that could indicate possible violations" of Bar regulations by Baez.

Specifically, she charged that Baez may have entered into an agreement to reap money for representing Casey Anthony by publicizing the young Orlando woman's story.

More at link - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jose-baez-complaint-090809,0,6134889.story

including info that he didn't have to pay Press Corps Media for media relations services because those services were "provided gratuitously." (Todd Black?)

[summer]

From WFTV.com


Brad Conway said the Anthonys will probably not show up Wednesday. The hearing is set for 3:15 Wednesday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20798712/detail.html

(Last sentence in first article.)

Thanks bchand!

[ish]

WOw, Jane Weintraub just said the chances of that rare of Henkel duct tape being on the gas cans AND over Caylee's face were 250,000 to 1!!! As if we don't know who put it on Caylee, right Casey?

Jane Weintraub, who never met a guilty person, said that? Well knock me over with a feather.

[ish]

From WFTV.com


Brad Conway said the Anthonys will probably not show up Wednesday. The hearing is set for 3:15 Wednesday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20798712/detail.html

(Last sentence in first article.)

He's playing with us, trying to keep the press away.

[Sun]

From WFTV.com


Brad Conway said the Anthonys will probably not show up Wednesday. The hearing is set for 3:15 Wednesday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20798712/detail.html

(Last sentence in first article.)

I was just thinking that the last place that George or Cindy wanted to be, was in Judge Rodriguez's courtroom.

[summer]

He's playing with us, trying to keep the press away.

Good point. He could've said yes or no, I mean the hearing is less than 24 hours away and you'd think they'd know by now. Always the coy vixen that Brad.

[really3997]

Nancy is covering the case now

[ish]

Good point. He could've said yes or no, I mean the hearing is less than 24 hours away and you'd think they'd know by now. Always the coy vixen that Brad.

He better have his own ride there and back.

OOh Nancy is playing Cindy and Matt Irwin tapes.

[101Spots]

Nancy is covering the case now

Anything to report from your drive home this evening?

[Imperfect4]

So apparently he is going to make that decision "without haste".

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.:tongueside: Hopefully that amount of time will allow him to make a legally sound decision that will stand up to any and all appeals from Casey's defense team.

Has this media-enthralled member of the judiciary made a decision of any kind yet, legally sound or otherwise? I honestly can't remember. His grandstanding is getting in the way of everything else, imo.

[bchand]

Jane Weintraub, who never met a guilty person, said that? Well knock me over with a feather.

How about Curtis Sleewall going off on Casey? Wow.

[Imperfect4]

You always have legal standing when the court might do something bad to you.

I once had a client, who was plaintiff in a personal injury case, who failed to show up for a deposition BECAUSE HE DIED THE DAY BEFORE. I did not know my client had died; I showed up early for our scheduled pre-deposition meeting, then the court reporter and the other attorney showed up and we all waited for an hour, I tried to call my client at his home, etc. Afterwards I sent him a letter - including a copy of the bill from the court reporter which we were responsible for pursuant to California's civil procedure rules - and a few weeks later I got a call from his daughter who was his estate's executor. His estate was permitted to substitute into the case and continue to pursue his legal rights.

So who knows? Maybe DC will come up with some great reason why he didn't attend the deposition. Perhaps DC's attorney will produce some Florida Supreme Court case directly on point which establishes that everything DC knows about the case is covered by the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and attorney work product privilege and thus protected from disclosure. Perhaps the civil case will be stayed tomorrow and DC will die before he can be compelled to submit to a deposition. Maybe DC and George Anthony will jointly commit suicide to avoid having to deal with Cindy anymore. Anything can happen in this case.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Bolded to address. Bwaaaaahahahahaha. :lol: :lol:

[really3997]

Anything to report from your drive home this evening?

Not that I can tell. Cars might be in the garage but it looks like they are still not home. Lee's car has not been around either so who knows.

[Imperfect4]

Im with you witchy.....I dont get it. he has had the motion how long? and then says he cant rule right now? what? they filed a motion, he was to hear verbal arguments and rule. he already knew what this was about....

what a waste of time....and money.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Yep yep yep.

[sully]

Good evening everyone!! You all have to see this!! But, I warn you -bring a tissue!! It's a beautiful thing that our love keeps growing for a child we never knew!!:wub:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM
http://www.respectance.com/... ~HD Version

[Imperfect4]

Hi Guys,

WOW, that was 20 excruciating pages. I really thought something would happen today.

No way am I going back to find the exact posters names, but a few of you were talking about hiring an Attorney if the Anthonys had in any way implicated your son or daughter in all this mess. One poster put up a quote saying that JG was not going to pursue that route "at that time".

Casey has left a ROYAL mess in her wake, and it ain't even got started good yet, IMO.

My question is, could there be something like a class action suit filed, once everyone knows who all is in line to get thrown under the bus? Seems such a shame that even peripheral acquaintances may have to dig into their own pockets for legal representation in all of this.

Bolded to address. I wholeheartedly agree.

Casey's legal representation is FREE. Or so we've been led to believe. All the people she and her family are trying to bury? They have to PAY for their attorneys.

:mad:

[Imperfect4]

WOw, Jane Weintraub just said the chances of that rare of Henkel duct tape being on the gas cans AND over Caylee's face were 250,000 to 1!!! As if we don't know who put it on Caylee, right Casey?

Does she even follow this case, fgs? :rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

Oh this is interesting. Answers the question earlier about who complained to the bar about Jose.


The Florida Bar cleared Casey Anthony's lead defense attorney Jose Baez of an ethical complaint, accusing him getting paid in the case, according to documents obtained Tuesday by the Orlando Sentinel.

In a Sept. 9th letter from the Bar's grievance committee, the chairman David Golden said the committee "has determined that there is insufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Baez violated" Florida Bar rules and that the case is closed.

The committee began to look into the matter after a self-described freelance journalist and author Shannon Stoy filed a complaint in February. She is president of Blink Development Group, LLC, in Pennington, N.J.

In a six-page complaint, Stoy reported that she believed there was evidence "that could indicate possible violations" of Bar regulations by Baez.

Specifically, she charged that Baez may have entered into an agreement to reap money for representing Casey Anthony by publicizing the young Orlando woman's story.

More at link - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jose-baez-complaint-090809,0,6134889.story

including info that he didn't have to pay Press Corps Media for media relations services because those services were "provided gratuitously." (Todd Black?)

:w00t: .....

[need2no]

Nancy is covering the case now

Yeah, bringing up the caboose. >sigh<

[Imperfect4]

How about Curtis Sleewall going off on Casey? Wow.

I think it's Sliwa. I love that dude. :thumbup:

[bchand]

Good evening everyone!! You all have to see this!! But, I warn you -bring a tissue!! It's a beautiful thing that our love keeps growing for a child we never knew!!:wub:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM
http://www.respectance.com/... ~HD Version

That was a beautifuly tribute sully. Thanks for linking it.

[really3997]

Bolded to address. I wholeheartedly agree.

Casey's legal representation is FREE. Or so we've been led to believe. All the people she and her family are trying to bury? They have to PAY for their attorneys.

:mad:

Um didn't the Attorney today ask to be paid:confused:

[bchand]

I think it's Sliwa. I love that dude. :thumbup:

You're right. He surprised me though. He does not care for Casey. lol

[Imperfect4]

Good evening everyone!! You all have to see this!! But, I warn you -bring a tissue!! It's a beautiful thing that our love keeps growing for a child we never knew!!:wub:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM
http://www.respectance.com/... ~HD Version

I've seen that before.

It's an absolute knockout, for those of you who haven't.

Thanks, sully, for posting the link.

[bchand]

:w00t: .....

I assume that's Blink on Crime right Imp?

[Imperfect4]

Um didn't the Attorney today ask to be paid:confused:

I was nodding off ... surely he wasn't asking CASEY to pay him, though, right?

[Imperfect4]

I assume that's Blink on Crime right Imp?

That would be my guess. :w00t:

So, do we know if Judge Strickland filed a complaint at all? Or was that just rumor? I'm suddenly confused on these bar complaints.

[really3997]

I was nodding off ... surely he wasn't asking CASEY to pay him, though, right?

Nope it seem like he was asking Morgan and Morgan..seemed odd to me he wanted his paycheck now.

[bchand]

That would be my guess. :w00t:

So, do we know if Judge Strickland filed a complaint at all? Or was that just rumor? I'm suddenly confused on these bar complaints.

It's got me wondering too because we hadn't heard about Blink involved at all.

[need2no]

he was very strange. the laughter was appalling. disgraceful. thank gawd he resigned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Not to mention reports about the elderly neighbor lady he swindled out of close to 1/2 million, and the solicitation of gifts from an attorney.

I couldn't help but think about this today as I listened to Rodriguez drag this out...is he being paid off by somebody, or waiting for the best offer before making a decision. Stuff happens. :ohmy:

[really3997]

lol Nancy is talking about Casey and Howard Stern

[desmom]

NG talking about LP and Team's interviews. She is :cursing: over Casey's comments about doing the Howard Stern show.

[Pruddennce]

Um...and did you also notice just how much of THAT SAME tactic that he chose to - follow when he, too, was in the international spotlight - and he chose to play it the way he did for a reason. He said he wanted a reality show of his own, made no qulams about it, said so on LKL, etc. Well, gee - I don't knw about any of you here, but I haven't seen any promos about his world premiere realotu judge show - A Judge with a Heart - (or some such carp!!!)


respectfully snipped.....you always bring a smile to my face :D

IMO, I would not be surprised if he was asked to resign before he was brought up on conduct charges.....

its improper for a judge to refer to people by perceived nicknames....its supposed to be RESPECT ALL AROUND, for everyone in the courtroom, not just the judge, for him to address people with respect, as he would expect.

how disgraceful.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[really3997]

LP is on NG

[Imperfect4]

Lenny in da house. :laugh:

[ttcRider]

somebody go get Annie, LP is on NG!! :w00t:

[Imperfect4]

Bill Schaeffer (WFTV) in da house.

[frances1]

WOw, Jane Weintraub just said the chances of that rare of Henkel duct tape being on the gas cans AND over Caylee's face were 250,000 to 1!!! As if we don't know who put it on Caylee, right Casey?

Jane Weintraub said this? I didn't think she ever said anything that was negative for the defendant. So even she must think Casey's defense doesn't have a chance.

[Imperfect4]

Schaeffer just said he feels it's entirely possible, based I guess on the latest news about the rarity of the duct tape, that a jury will be able to not only convict her, but sentence her to death. :scared:

[101Spots]

Bill Schaeffer (WFTV) in da house.

Pleasepleaseplease keep the reports coming. I lost the remote. :mad:

[need2no]

Lenny in da house. :laugh:

Is it just me or does Lenny NOW seem to keep pointing out that he personally didn't really know much first hand, after implying he did for a year.

:shrug:

[Pruddennce]

Jane Weintraub said this? I didn't think she ever said anything that was negative for the defendant. So even she must think Casey's defense doesn't have a chance.

still no word on fingerprints on the tape.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[desmom]

Schaeffer just said he feels it's entirely possible, based I guess on the latest news about the rarity of the duct tape, that a jury will be able to not only convict her, but sentence her to death. :scared:

Thank you for posting this. I did a double take because I didn't think I heard him right.

[Pruddennce]

Is it just me or does Lenny NOW seem to keep pointing out that he personally didn't really know much first hand, after implying he did for a year.

:shrug:

ha! well Lenny never did say he knew...it was always 'what he heard' from someone else. :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Beep]

cHeya Hello Beeps

I am the loud one here...LOL...but it is a GREAT board and there are lots of good posters here with differing opinions, but we all agree to disagree at some point and move on as friends. I will try not to rant too hard until you get comfortable on here, but we do have a good time and the people here know this case like the backs of their hand! Welcome in from Lurkdom - looking forward to many excellent posting nights with you aboard. So WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!!

You are amongst friends here (at least for the most part) and we will respect you, your opinions and all other aspects of your posting life as long as there is no swearing or threats of violence! You should be safe! Of course, just kidding. Welcome to a great group of friends, who just happen to post at the same board. That's how it feels here to me, anyway. :wub:

WELCOME!

FMO

I am sorry to respond so slowly to everyone as I bounce off of your post! I was a bit overwhelmed with all the wonderful posts welcoming me to the boards. I promise to respond to each of you individually tomorrow. Thank you so much for inviting me into the "pool". I will share more tomorrow.

I am an "early to bed, early to rise" type. I may be in your neck of the woods early in the a.m.


Thanks so much

Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!


Beep

[need2no]

ha! well Lenny never did say he knew...it was always 'what he heard' from someone else. :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

True 'nuff...but some clinged to his every word as actual knowledge of events, even if 2nd hand knowledge.

Now he's saying he has just learned of some of this with the rest of us. :rolleyes:

At this point it sounds like he'd prefer not to be considered as someone with information worthy of being called to testify in the hearing, IMO.

[crimeq]

I was just thinking that the last place that George or Cindy wanted to be, was in Judge Rodriguez's courtroom.

Yes, especially since they don't have to be, and are hoping he will rule in their favor and they won't have to testify again.

I think they are reeling from multiple setbacks (and probably some embarrassment, if they can even feel embarrassment--oh probably not, probably just ANGER :cursing: ).

I don't expect to see them there if they don't have to be there.

Welcome Beep! :smile:

[Imperfect4]

Is it just me or does Lenny NOW seem to keep pointing out that he personally didn't really know much first hand, after implying he did for a year.

:shrug:

I found him a bit subdued. And no shades or toothpick, either.

[bchand]

Jane Weintraub said this? I didn't think she ever said anything that was negative for the defendant. So even she must think Casey's defense doesn't have a chance.

I thought it was Jane Velez-Mitchell who said it.

[need2no]

I found him a bit subdued. And no shades or toothpick, either.

Me too... strange, huh.

[Imperfect4]

Pleasepleaseplease keep the reports coming. I lost the remote. :mad:

Ditto, but I made it through NG's coverage of Casey.

[Pruddennce]

True 'nuff...but some clinged to his every word as actual knowledge of events, even if 2nd hand knowledge.

Now he's saying he has just learned of some of this with the rest of us. :rolleyes:

At this point it sounds like he'd prefer not to be considered as someone with information worthy of being called to testify in the hearing, IMO.

I always considered LP a LIVE POSTER....he consistently would say "I THINK"...or stated guesses and theories.....he claimed early on she was in the dumpster at Amscott..with such conviction....

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17391069/detail.html

Padilla then said in the upcoming weeks, the country will see some revelations in the case.

"When the FBI, who has got some of the finest labs in the world, comes back (with findings), it is going to shock the world over something Lee, Casey and Cindy have known since Wednesday when they released their preliminary findings," Padilla said. "And also, the Dumpster located a mile and quarter away from the boyfriend Tony's home is going to play a big part in this."

but this is what I focus on most times: LE putting it to Cindy and Tim Miller responding to her press statement: (same link)

"This is about Caylee, period, the end," Miller said. "And I would hope, if something has happened to Caylee, I would hope Cindy would want us out here finding her body too. If Cindy wants us to stop looking for her body, guess what -- we are not going to."

Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary also sent a message to Cindy on Wednesday.

"Cindy Anthony was on national TV demanding an apology from the sheriff's office," Local 6's Louis Bolden said at the news conference.

"(It) won't happen," Beary said after a chuckle. "It won't happen. We are doing our job. What we need is credible information, especially from her daughter and that is a message I send back to her."

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Imperfect4]

Thank you for posting this. I did a double take because I didn't think I heard him right.

Yep, he said it. Said he wasn't sure at the outset they had enough to convince a jury, but he feels it's a definite possibility now.

[bchand]

True 'nuff...but some clinged to his every word as actual knowledge of events, even if 2nd hand knowledge.

Now he's saying he has just learned of some of this with the rest of us. :rolleyes:

At this point it sounds like he'd prefer not to be considered as someone with information worthy of being called to testify in the hearing, IMO.

I still want to know what he is doing talking to Jose "daily" as his nephew Tony Padilla states.

[Sweetly]

I thought it was Jane Velez-Mitchell who said it.

Ohhh, you are so right. I stand humbly corrected.

[101Spots]

Ditto, but I made it through NG's coverage of Casey.

You're a better woman than I. :patriot:

Thanks to all for reporting.

[need2no]

I thought it was Jane Velez-Mitchell who said it.

I don't recall seeing JW on the show tonight, nor did I miss her.

[bchand]

Ohhh, you are so right. I stand humbly corrected.

n/p Sweetly - Jane/Jayne - easily confused.