Multiple killings reported in Ga. trailer park

[KittyMom]

For background read the thread...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=357908&page=2

[trainer6]

I saw that. I can't believe the evilness that could lurk within someone that would cause them to do something like this. It was bad enough with the adults, but who could do that to a 3 year old.

I guess the police have evidence that the son of one of the victims did it. Some parts of his 911 call sounded strange, but then other parts sounded like he had just found the bodies. I guess that is to be expected when someone is in shock.

[KittyMom]

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_access/local_news/Funeral-9-7-09

Very interesting comments by the younger brother. Also interesting were the comments by readers.

[KittyMom]

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11082463

Last Saturday, we asked Chief Doering this question is a family member made the 911 call. "That's correct," Doering said.

When asked if the he believed the person who called 911 also committed the murders, Doering responded, "No. Why would you ask that question. I wish I could say yes."

The chief is saying yes now, exactly one week later.

[KittyMom]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20090907/NEWS01/90905007/1002/Man+who+called+911+charged+with+mobile+home+deaths

‘‘Right now, I don’t know,’’ Doering said. ‘‘I do know he’s involved... I would have not allowed him to be arrested if I was not comfortable with that.’’


hmmm...interesting comment.

[KittyMom]

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/134972409

Brunswick Slaying Victim's Son Charged in 8 Slayings: Heinze Wasn't Always a Suspect in Attack at Mobile Home Park, Police Chief Says.

The chief would not answer a number of questions, including how the victims were killed, whether Heinze confessed, if a weapon was recovered or whether Heinze had assaulted his family in the past.

Doering said officials did "not suspect ... [Heinze] all along" and that the charges came after an afternoon meeting with several investigators.

He would not rule out other suspects being involved.


Doering said he was unsure if the information they received Friday was the result of the $55,000 reward that is being offered.
:confused: How is that possible? If it was due to the reward, then someone is expecting some payout.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/134972409

Brunswick Slaying Victim's Son Charged in 8 Slayings: Heinze Wasn't Always a Suspect in Attack at Mobile Home Park, Police Chief Says.




:confused: How is that possible? If it was due to the reward, then someone is expecting some payout.

Because he is just not going to divulge if a tip came in. He knows most likely that witness may become vital in the criminal case.

If it took the reward money to get someone to tell what they know then good for the people who upped the reward.

imo

[KittyMom]

GB,

I find it interesting that the young brother, Tyler, is saying that he was with Guy at 5:30am and he was fine. Makes me wonder where they were and what they were doing.

[KittyMom]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144606&catid=3

Although, an arrest has been made, Chief Matt Doering said he's not ruling out any other suspects.

[KittyMom]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-07/story/csi_alters_reality_of_mass_murders_like_brunswick_ killings

'CSI' alters reality of mass murders like Brunswick killings
These types of slayings require specific theories and approaches to investigate, experts say.

There and around the country, people struggled to comprehend how anyone could attack and kill a family that included two children and two people with disabilities.

I know there are law allowing for a stiffer penalty based on a victim's age but I wonder if there are any based on the disabilities of the victim. This is the first I've read that there were 2 victims with disabilities.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.cnn.com/video/

Scroll down to the one that says something like "motive for killing?"

It has come to light that just two days before Heinz Sr. was murdered he had received a settlement of $25,000 from a trailer he had owned.

$25,000 is like a $100,000 to these people who normally are use to making around 10K per year.

What a monster this murderer is.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Here is the actual video.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/09/07/dcl.callebs.ga.killings.cnn?iref=videosearch

[W_D_1]

GB,

I find it interesting that the young brother, Tyler, is saying that he was with Guy at 5:30am and he was fine. Makes me wonder where they were and what they were doing.


The younger brother thinks it's some type of drug deal gone bad, like maybe Guy ripped someone off and it was retaliation. Another source for articles is www.savannahnow.com

[KittyMom]

Here is the actual video.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/09/07/dcl.callebs.ga.killings.cnn?iref=videosearch

Wow. I just don't understand some people. Why, oh, why kill so many if one man had the money. And it really didn't sound like he'd even got a check yet, just a notice that he'd be spent one.

Report said at the end that the baby is on life-support. :sad:

[KittyMom]

I want to believe that that young man wouldn't kill his own family. Maybe someone else heard that Heinze Sr. had gotten a settlement and went looking for it not realizing that he didn't have the money in hand or that there were that many people living in the home.

:shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Wow. I just don't understand some people. Why, oh, why kill so many if one man had the money. And it really didn't sound like he'd even got a check yet, just a notice that he'd be spent one.

Report said at the end that the baby is on life-support. :sad:

It is evil greed, Kitty. He didn't want his dad to have the money or share it with anyone. He killed them all thinking he would get the money if his dad was dead.

I think that poor little baby is still in very bad shape. It wouldn't surprise me if the family decides to take them off life support. This shows the worst mankind has to offer.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I want to believe that that young man wouldn't kill his own family. Maybe someone else heard that Heinze Sr. had gotten a settlement and went looking for it not realizing that he didn't have the money in hand or that there were that many people living in the home.

:shrug:

I dont think he would tell outsiders. They said he had told family members though.

imo

[Marcia3]

It is evil greed, Kitty. He didn't want his dad to have the money or share it with anyone. He killed them all thinking he would get the money if his dad was dead.

I think that poor little baby is still in very bad shape. It wouldn't surprise me if the family decides to take them off life support. This shows the worst mankind has to offer.

imo

Can you imagine being willing or able to commit that kind of violence to that many people (most of whom are related to you) for 25K? I couldn't do it for any amount of money, but he would have probably spent that in no time...you're right. This is the absolute worst.

[Amy]

I dont think he would tell outsiders. They said he had told family members though.

imo

Once you have told someone, it can get around. Maybe a family member told a co-worker or neighbor. And, the co-worker or neighbor could have told someone else.

[GentleBreeze]

Once you have told someone, it can get around. Maybe a family member told a co-worker or neighbor. And, the co-worker or neighbor could have told someone else.

They were out of work so they didn't have employers.

I don't think these people would want outsiders to know they were going to get any money. He hadn't gotten the money yet so no one had a motive but the guy that had the same last name of the one who was going to receive the settlement....HEINZ JR.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Can you imagine being willing or able to commit that kind of violence to that many people (most of whom are related to you) for 25K? I couldn't do it for any amount of money, but he would have probably spent that in no time...you're right. This is the absolute worst.

Marcia,

It took Georgia so long to get over the heinousness of the Alday murders that happened back in the 70s but this one is even worse.

No, I cannot fathom anyone doing such a depraved crime but alas we have seen what family members can do to their loved ones when they totally kill everyone of them in their home.:crying:

It seems to me these poor people were sleeping and he went room to room and bludgeoned them to death.


http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-09-08/story/all_eight_victims_of_brunswick_mobile_home_park_as sault_killed_by_beat


All eight victims of Brunswick mobile home park assault killed by beating.

BRUNSWICK — The eight people killed Aug. 29 in a mobile home all died of beating, Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said.

Guy Heinze, 22, the lone suspect and son of one of the victims, acted alone in beating the eight dead and the lone survivor, Byron Jimerson, 3, who remains in critical condition today, Doering said.

Doering declined to divulge what sort of weapon or object was used to administer what is officially known as blunt force trauma or whether it has been recovered.

"Evidence indicates more than one weapon was used to inflict the injuries,'' said Capt. Marissa Tindale, head of detectives for the department.

Both said the home at New Hope Mobile Park remains an active crime scene and that detectives are still working there as they interview potential witnesses and track down tips.

[Marcia3]

Thanks for that link, although it is a gruesome and very sad story. It breaks my heart to think of all of those people dying, and for no good reason whatsoever, IMO.

Doering is right, this investigation is going to take lots of time. I can't fathom having to collect evidence from 8 crime scenes all rolled into one.

Good to "see" you BTW.

[Debb]

This story just boggles the mind. It is so horrible.

I was reminded of this story last week, when I saw a show on The First 48. (Depicts real life murders and LE investigation for the fist 48 hours.) It was about Jessie Dotson in TN. He confessed to killing 6 people and attempting to murder 3 more inside his brother's house. He killed his brother, sister-in-law, 2 of their children, and 2 other adult visitors. He stabbed and left for dead 3 other of his nephews, one a 2 month old! A 9 year-old survior identified their attacker in the hospital. This guy had just gotten out on parole from serving 14 years for second degree murder!!!!!!

I cannot imagine how this man in GA was able to murder so many people by blunt force. I wonder if he tied them up first or did it in their sleep. So very sad.

[GentleBreeze]

This story just boggles the mind. It is so horrible.

I was reminded of this story last week, when I saw a show on The First 48. (Depicts real life murders and LE investigation for the fist 48 hours.) It was about Jessie Dotson in TN. He confessed to killing 6 people and attempting to murder 3 more inside his brother's house. He killed his brother, sister-in-law, 2 of their children, and 2 other adult visitors. He stabbed and left for dead 3 other of his nephews, one a 2 month old! A 9 year-old survivor identified their attacker in the hospital. This guy had just gotten out on parole from serving 14 years for second degree murder!!!!!!

I cannot imagine how this man in GA was able to murder so many people by blunt force. I wonder if he tied them up first or did it in their sleep. So very sad.

I read that some of the victims were found in beds and on the floor. I thought maybe the ones found on the floor were right by their beds and tried to get up and were killed right by the bed.

imo

[Ninja108]

WHile it can be done, beating eight people to death,espcially in a mobile home, sounds VERY hard to do by yourself. IMO of course.

[KittyMom]

I dont think he would tell outsiders. They said he had told family members though.

imo

He did tell the landlord that he'd be moving to another place with all those folks. Maybe he did tell others. Or, one of the family members talked.

I just can't imagine that GHJ beat 8 people (killing 6 immediately) and managed to change his clothing and then put on such a show. In fact, where are the clothes he'd have worn during the crime? He had to be covered in blood. Where did he go to change and clean up?

[KittyMom]

Did I miss it? Has LE said whether they have the murder weapons or are they looking for them?

[KittyMom]

http://www2.wsav.com/sav/news/local/article/chief_glynn_county_mobile_home_park_victims_were_n ot_shot/45036/

Chief: Glynn County Mobile Home Park Victims Were Not Shot

Doering also says the investigation so far does not indicate there was more than one suspect involved in the crimes. None are currently being sought.

Just a few days ago the chief was saying that more arrests could come. Boy, he sure knows how to not say anything. lol

I hope GHJ comes clean if he is responsible. I'm surprised we're not hearing about him being on suicide watch.

[KittyMom]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/08/georgia.killings/

Georgia slaying victim had just won lawsuit

Guy Heinze Sr., 46, was granted the award by the McIntosh County, Georgia, Magistrate Court in a suit over a mobile home that he owned, court officials said. He had not received the money as the ruling was under appeal.

The elder Heinze told relatives about the award days before his death, family members said. Court officials said the ruling was issued August 11, and an appeal was filed six days later.

[GentleBreeze]

He did tell the landlord that he'd be moving to another place with all those folks. Maybe he did tell others. Or, one of the family members talked.

I just can't imagine that GHJ beat 8 people (killing 6 immediately) and managed to change his clothing and then put on such a show. In fact, where are the clothes he'd have worn during the crime? He had to be covered in blood. Where did he go to change and clean up?

I think it was Mr. Tolar who had rented the home there not Heinz Sr.

He had from 5:40 am until after 8:00 am to murder them, discard weapon, clothing and return to the scene.

That is more than ample time. They seem to only be searching a 15 mile radius of the home.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/08/georgia.killings/

Georgia slaying victim had just won lawsuit

Well whenever the settlement was finally settled Heinz Jr. knew Heinz Sr. wouldn't be there to collect it.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

So. The fact that he removed a gun from the trailer and placed it in his car is a COMPLETE red herring - of no consequence whatsoever to these killings.

My guess is, he lied about where he was prior to coming home to protect his pot smoking friends.

This case just gets sadder and sadder. There are 5 adults and 5 minors living in this trailer, and among all of them they can't rally their resources and manage to pay the rent on this small trailer so they are about to be evicted. Then, they are all killed - by who knows who - when you have 5 adults with no means and drug problems, it's impossible to tell who might break in and kill them all.

THEN, this young man is arrested and tossed in jail, accused, while he grieves.

Horrible.

They were not being evicted because of non-payment. The landlord was making them leave because they had too many people living in the small home then they came to an agreement and agreed to move in Sept.

I didn't even see any emotion or red eyes in his mug shot. Seemed to be rather hardened imo.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

http://police.glynncounty-ga.org/forum/uploads/twright/files/2009-09-08_154505_Manner_of_Death_Press_Release-_New_Hope.pdf

Glynn County Police Department-Press Release

[GentleBreeze]

I still wonder why Guy Jr. was at his young teenage brother's house in the middle of the night until he left at 5:40 am in the morning.

It makes me wonder if when he came home that Friday that his father told him to get out and find another place to live. His brother thinks he is innocent but he said that Jr. may bear some responsibility if drugs were brought into that home by his brother. It was like he knew Guy was messing around with drugs and maybe even selling them.

I certainly hope his younger brother comes clean about what was said when Guy showed up at his home until he left. Did he tell his brother he had been kicked out?

just pondering......

IMO

[Alwill978]

This case is really strange to me in the sense, I cannot imagine how ONE person BEAT all these people to death?? I think there has to more to this case. :confused:

[KittyMom]

Victim Michael (the cousin with downs syndrome) would've received a SSI check each month. Anyone have an idea of what amt is typically paid out for SSI? I also believe that he would've qualified for foodstamps. I wonder if the Tolar man was receiving unemployment for being laid-off?

My point is, there were funds coming into the home. Not much, maybe, but some amt.

[Lynden1000]

It also seems unusual to me that if he wanted his father's 25K settlement and also wanted to remove all family members from the picture, why didn't he kill the one person who could actually compete with him for any money his father left behind: his brother?

[KittyMom]

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_access/local_news/8SLAIN-090909-w-brkout

"We don't have a reason to suspect anyone else and we're not looking for anyone else," Doering said, releasing more information Tuesday on the massacre in the three-bedroom, single-wide trailer at Lot 147 at New Hope Plantation.

"We do have evidence to support that he was alone. It doesn't completely eliminate the possibility. We just don't think it's likely."

He said police received the first preliminary results of the crime lab analysis from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation Monday which bolstered earlier findings.

"We're comfortable that there's only one (suspect)," Doering said.

At the time, though, the official said the bodies were so disfigured that police initially had difficulty determining how the victims died, before concluding in the first hours after the killings that they appeared to have been shot.

Doering would not say what kind of instrument was used in the attacks. When asked how one person could beat to death so many people in a small trailer, Doering said he is unable to release the evidence police have to show how that was possible.

"If you knew the evidence we had, you would know the answer to that," he said. "I'm not at liberty to release the details."

Doering also was asked how so many people could be killed, beaten to death, without neighbors who live nearby hearing anything. The trailer that the 10 victims lived in was not air-conditioned but had three window fans running, Doering said.

"You're presuming no one was disturbed," he said, without elaborating.

This chief is really good at playing the media.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_access/local_news/8SLAIN-090909-w-brkout


This chief is really good at playing the media.

As he should be.

Hmm seems he does have neighbors that heard things. That is good to know.

I even wonder if someone saw Jr. leave earlier and then come back.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Gentle - these two articles state that they were behind on their payments. One article states due to non-payment, the landlord had seized their trailer and sold it, and locked them out. The other article states that eviction due to non-payment was imminent. Hard to tell the details. One of the articles also lists that the landlord was additionally unhappy that there were 10 people living there at one time. Among all these numbers of people, they couldn't come up with enough money to pay lot rental on a trailer.

When you think about all the difficulties/histories of all the people who lived together in this trailer, it seems their list of possible murderous enemies is limitless.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2009/08/31/met_546392.shtmlhttp://savannahnow.com/node/775830

I think the first one was a trailer that was old and sold when Heinz not Tolar was behind in lot rent. It cant be the same trailer where the Judge awarded Heinz a $25 thousand dollar settlement. I have never heard of anyone anyway being able to just take someone's home unless they loaned them the money for the home. They can take them to small claims court and give them an eviction off of the property where the lot rent is behind.

So I am not putting much credibility in the trailer stories. It was said they were to go to court but they worked it out and Tolar agreed to move by the first of September.

I don't see anything in their history except they were very poor but known to work hard when work was available and shared with all their family to help them out when they were down on their luck.

Imo, this was a very up close and personal crime filled with a lot of rage.

If any drugs were in the home then I think JR. is the one that brought it into that home. Even his own brother hinted at that when he said JR. may bear some responsibility in what happened.

It wouldn't surprise me since they were all moving that Jrs dad told him to get out and find him somewhere else to stay that they were sick of the drug use and he may have been selling it too.

imo

[anais2005]

Has LE released any further information about this case?

[KittyMom]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-09-10/story/heinze_to_public_find_real_killers_in_brunswick_sl ayings
Heinze to public: Find 'real killers' in Brunswick slayings
The suspect in the Georgia multiple slayings maintains his innocence, attorney says.
Harrison dismissed public speculation that a $25,000 McIntosh Magistrate Court judgment awarded to Guy Heinze Sr. could be a motive for the younger Heinze to commit the slayings. The attorney said his client "didn't know the outcome of the lawsuit." The defendant in the case, the owner of a Darien mobile home park, has appealed the judgment to Superior Court.

[KittyMom]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-13/story/8th_victim_from_brunswick_mass_slayings_laid_to_re st_0

Asked how confident he was that police arrested the right person in Guy Heinze Jr., Herrington said Glynn County has a good police force and it did a good job.

"It'll all come out in a little while," he said of the case against Heinze.

He said, however, that he didn't believe Heinze acted alone.

"All I can do is pray for that fellow," he said of Heinze.

Cummings, agreed, saying many in the community have expressed doubt Heinze is the only suspect.

"The community's not ready to accept the explanation [of police]," she said.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-13/story/8th_victim_from_brunswick_mass_slayings_laid_to_re st_0

That is perfectly understandable in situations like this where LE is keeping all the evidence they have against the suspect close to their vest. Although in a case such as this I certainly think it is the right call.

I think they are trying hard to ensure that a change of venue is not warranted and don't want to release anything that may prejudice Heinz' right to a fair trial.

The DA is always mindful of that and COVs are extremely costly and the justice department is suffering along with everyone else.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Indictment: 8 Counts 1st-Degree Murder
District Attorney Intends To Seek Death Penatly On Guy Heinze Jr.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/20909065/detail.html

The indictment said Heinze inflicted "blunt-force trauma" to the heads of all the victims, including his father, uncle, aunt, four cousins, nephew and a friend of the extended family.

They were found dead the morning of Aug. 29.

District Attorney Stephen Kelley has said he plans to seek the death penalty.

[annalyzer]

This case is really strange to me in the sense, I cannot imagine how ONE person BEAT all these people to death?? I think there has to more to this case. :confused:

Were they all drugged? Otherwise I don't see one man beating to death eight people either, in that mobile home. And what was it, four of them were grown men?

[annalyzer]

He doesn't sound guilty to me from this 911 call.

http://www.mahalo.com/answers/news/guy-heinze-jr-911-call-where-can-i-hear-the-audio