Haleigh Cummings 9/6

[Rucky*Ron]

New thread.
Please light a candle for Haleigh.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[Justice4all]

ty R*R...I'll go light a candle right now

[Justice4all]

What does 9/11 have to do with Labor law? It is not legal to require employees to attend anything unpaid.

And by the way they do not make bridges. They make the components and a whole other company puts it in place. It is not me that needs to do some research!

I'm confused. How do you know he wasn't paid for the mandatory meetings?

I never said they actually put the bridges in place. I'm sorry i should have spelled that out for you.

[Justice4all]

You said he made bridges. I know he was paid for meetings because that is the law!

OMG je...never mind ...i thought we were all adults here and i could just say he made bridges.


before i leave though i'll tell you what i meant about 9-11. they do not tell the employees even a day a head of time what projects they will be working on the next day,...they up'ed security and many other things.


Now have a great night. and bright blessings.

[Justice4all]

It is a factory, they make the same thing every day. There are no projects! Do people in lumber yards build houses? No its not the same thing saying they make steel fabrications and they build bridges.

wrong yet again....you might want to do some research

[Justice4all]

Yes, you really should because I am correct.

they do not make the same parts every day. Each bridge is different and calls for them to fabricate special parts. it's not like an assembly line. have you been to their website even?

[Justice4all]

That is not correct, these are very expensive machines that are made to create specific pieces.

you haven't been to their website have you? yes they are very expensive machines....but they do custom work for some of the most famous bridges in the world. they fabricate custom parts.


http://www.pdmbridge.com/


This might help you..


No two bridges are alike.....

[Justice4all]

That is not correct, these are very expensive machines that are made to create specific pieces called girders.

oh i see you added girders .....

They do not only make girders....you should read their website.

[Justice4all]

Their Palatka plant makes girders it doesnt matter what the HQ website says because that includes many companies.

Palatka plant is right here. where does it say thats all they make?
http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=442

[Justice4all]

this is what it says about girders.

PDM Bridge has the expertise and lifting capacity to fabricate plate girders for all types of bridge structures. These structures range from major river crossings and railroad bridges to simple plate girder projects.


not just one kind...MANY

[Justice4all]

every job is different they just don't mass product the girders.

[Justice4all]

:laugh: From your own link:

"PDM Bridge has the expertise and lifting capacity to fabricate plate girders for all types of bridge structures. These structures range from major river crossings and railroad bridges to simple plate girder projects."

what is so funny? i never said they don't make girders...Did i? I said they custom fabricate them and other parts and that's exactly what they do.


due to 9-11 rules they do not know ahead of time which bridge they will be fabricating for the day before. and they added more security...thus they have Ron on camera...........why is this such a big deal for you?

[Justice4all]

It also says "Today PDM Bridge is a steel fabricator capable of producing steel components for the most complex bridge structures."


they do a lot more then just girders.

[BitterSweet]

Their Palatka plant makes girders it doesnt matter what the HQ website says because that includes many companies.


girders...?
RC worked (before being fired) for a steel bridge company.
PDM

RC did not work in the field, but the factory. Why the sep. 11th comment?
RC is a factory worker, hardly the same as an onsite bridge contractor.
BitterSweet ~ Cannot wait for the "fry"

[Justice4all]

Do you have proof of that 9/11 effect on this company?

no they don't put their security stuff on the website but i've already said for months now my son works in the Wausau plant.

[Justice4all]

girders...?
RC worked (before being fired) for a steel bridge company.
PDM

RC did not work in the field, but the factory. Why the sep. 11th comment?
RC is a factory worker, hardly the same as an onsite bridge contractor.
BitterSweet ~ Cannot wait for the "fry"

It's easy Bitter.....since 9-11 they want to watch their employees to make sure their people don't do something to cause a bridge to collapse. That's another reason i seriously doubt Ron was doing drugs. They do random drug test about once a month.

[Justice4all]

And I know someone who works in Palatka.

Ok so you know they have a lot of camera's inside and outside....

[Justice4all]

And I know someone who works in Palatka.

Do you know crane operator Eric Zastrow?

[Justice4all]

why would PDM and fellow employee's lie about Ron being their all night?

[CFMom]

why would PDM and fellow employee's lie about Ron being their all night?

They wouldnt. Just some are he!! bent on making Ron guilty no matter what.

[Justice4all]

My husband had secret service clearance after 9/11 to meet the President and he was not even drug tested. Most companies do it randomly or when there is an accident on premises.

My hubby owes a small trucking company ( about 40 employees ) and he drug test his truckers once a month.

[Justice4all]

You should ask those who believe that.

believe what?

Do you believe Ron was at work his whole shift that night?

[Justice4all]

They wouldnt. Just some are he!! bent on making Ron guilty no matter what.

i know that's right..........

[Justice4all]

I have to go to bed.

Good night


haleigh come home soon ♥

[PerneciaJane]

My hubby owes a small trucking company ( about 40 employees ) and he drug test his truckers once a month.

yes and those truckers who have haz mat certification must pass background check/clearance through Homeland Security.

[teresa]

I havent heard of any major corporation that hasnt made that safety and security precaution. BUT it had nothing to do with 9/11

Some of them have had to by directive of Homeland Security, especially ones who produce things for our infrastructure and can be accessed by water.

[teresa]

As a matter of fact last month I was in the UP of Michigan and I went to the Soo Locks in Saulte St. Marie. This is protected by Homeland security only because it is an international lock. I asked a million questions regarding it, and they do not drug test people, prevent them from taking pictures or even search them. You can get up right next to it too as a matter of fact! Including all of the dams in Michigan.

I didn't mean that drug tests were required by HS, just the security. I think the drug tests are just company policy due to the machinery being used.

A poster at WS who despises Ron said his nephew flunked a random test and was fired so I do believe they test them.

It was nice chatting with you tonight. My eyes are shutting as I type. See you tomorrow or whenever we bump into each other again.

I'm hopeful for the first time in a long time that the case is moving forward. It's been an interesting last few weeks, huh? I like this new guy.

[teresa]

critical-infrastructure industries that reside largely in the private sector. Those industries are:

* Civilian nuclear power,

* Chemicals and hazardous materials (including oil and natural gas),

* Electricity service, and

* Food and agriculture.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=6042&type=0&sequence=2


Steel companies and bridges arent on the list.

But transportation is in the body of the article. Bridges are part of the transportation infrastructure.

Those critical-infrastructure sectors are agriculture, food, water, public health, emergency services, government, defense, information and telecommunications, energy, transportation, banking and finance, chemicals, and postal and shipping services.(5)

I can't remember why we are discussing this I'm so tired. Is it drug tests or security to access the property??

Night je t'aime.

[CFMom]

Cape Cod couple questioned in HaLeigh Cummings case

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d5-Cape-Cod-couple-questioned-in-HaLeigh-Cummings-case

[CFMom]

Cape family questioned about missing Fla. girl

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090906/NEWS/909060323/-1/NEWS11

[jammies]

Sooo, what about this couple that was questioned?

Any thoughts?

[HouseOfClark]

Sooo, what about this couple that was questioned?

Any thoughts?

Don't know, speculation on earlier thread that it might be relatives of Tommy (Hank Jr.) or his wife, Chelsea.

[willow]

Don't know, speculation on earlier thread that it might be relatives of Tommy (Hank Jr.) or his wife, Chelsea.

If it was Tommy ( Hank Jr.) and his wife - I think they would have said their names in the article wouldn't they have? ..anyone?

So, it must be someone else I would think anyway, so maybe you are right and it is relatives.

[HouseOfClark]

If it was Tommy ( Hank Jr.) and his wife - I think they would have said their names in the article wouldn't they have? ..anyone?

I don't think it was Tommy and his wife. They're still on Tyler Street as far as I know. It may be relatives of theirs, but there's no confirmation and they're not named.

Which is a good thing, IMO.

[Texas48]

What does 9/11 have to do with Labor law? It is not legal to require employees to attend anything unpaid.

And by the way they do not make bridges. They make the components and a whole other company puts it in place. It is not me that needs to do some research!Red By Me
I have to disagree with this statement....there are MANY companies where it is a requirement to be at work before the shift starts.....some are 15 minutes prior and some are 30 minutes prior...there are several companies that I am aware of.....Not sure about PDM but should be easy enough to prove or disprove...
JMO

[?noanswer]

Cape family questioned about missing Fla. girl

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090906/NEWS/909060323/-1/NEWS11


What state were the Croslin's supposedly moving to when they wanted Misty to go with them? JMO

[Texas48]

My husband had secret service clearance after 9/11 to meet the President and he was not even drug tested. Most companies do it randomly or when there is an accident on premises.Red By Me
Priceless....IMO
post after post that actually started with *mandatory meetings*..I think..its been so far back now I may have forgot what it started over...LOL...
and..now this is what it has come down to......someone that met the President was NOT drug tested......so what..? is there is point to this..?
something seems like it got lost from the first post down to this one...Oh my.....what next..?
My thoughts...I think..

[Texas48]

why would PDM and fellow employee's lie about Ron being their all night?
They wouldn't lie about it Justice....none of his co-workers are going to cover for Ron....why should they..? they don't want to end up going to jail for aiding Ron..IMO

[Texas48]

As a matter of fact last month I was in the UP of Michigan and I went to the Soo Locks in Saulte St. Marie. This is protected by Homeland security only because it is an international lock. I asked a million questions regarding it, and they do not drug test people, prevent them from taking pictures or even search them. You can get up right next to it too as a matter of fact! Including all of the dams in Michigan.
Did anyone know anything about HaLeigh..?

[dustyk]

I was not aware of any stolen fingerprints.
I figured as much...just throw something like that out and not know what you are doing. LOL jmO

[willow]

What state were the Croslin's supposedly moving to when they wanted Misty to go with them? JMO

I am thinking it was MI and HOC, I think you are right it was not Tommy and his wife that moved.

Another poster said that Chelsea and Misty's brother ( my mind is pulling a blank on his name) have already moved to Michigan.

I still think that if it were them though that the paper would have said their names, but I could be wrong.

[jammies]

Don't know, speculation on earlier thread that it might be relatives of Tommy (Hank Jr.) or his wife, Chelsea.


Thanks, HOC. Hope more info is released on this.

[KatieLady]

Thats how I feel as well. I havent picked a side. I just hope the guilty is caught. I know its ugly posting tho. I have one from here follow me to twitter to post ugliness.

Gotta wonder about some people :rolleyes:

Now, these "new" people that have been questioned....do we have any idea where that came from? A tip? Misty throwing out names again?

Any idea?

[dustyk]

LOL, thank you dustyk, I do think you have explained it the best so far.

Does anyone know when Tim Miller and TES is going to start the search for Haleigh?

Has anyone figured out why the Cummings family started saying things about TES? OR...Is Misty still the only one that has said they do not want nothing to do with TM and TES?
I am more interested in why they questioned this couple...are they in Massachusettes? Weren't the Croslins moving there? JMO

[CFMom]

Gotta wonder about some people :rolleyes:

Now, these "new" people that have been questioned....do we have any idea where that came from? A tip? Misty throwing out names again?

Any idea?

No idea here. Wouldnt it be nice if she were found ALIVE!

[jammies]

Makes ya wonder how many others have been questioned that we don't know about. Also wonder how this got leaked. Who and why?

[2boysMom]

What state were the Croslin's supposedly moving to when they wanted Misty to go with them? JMO

IIRC it was Massachusetts.

[KatieLady]

I still think Misty had company that night. I think Misty knows alot more.

Oh, me too. Or she is leaving something major out of her story IMO

[FrankieBones1]

If Ron were the subject of such a video it would be posted here daily!
Cobra disgusts me.
Praying for Haleigh, Lord please guide her home.

Is that the vid that Radio had a link to on her Twitter? It was difficult making out what William Staubs and Crystal's dad were saying but I heard enough to go "WOW".

[FrankieBones1]

Oh, me too. Or she is leaving something major out of her story IMOMaybe she invited a friend over that evening and the friend brought some questionable friends or acquaintances along. Could be someone slipped something in her drink and she cannot remember what happened that night. Maybe she won't come clean to save face. Who knows what a seventeen year old is thinking. IMO

[Scampi]

Oh, me too. Or she is leaving something major out of her story IMO

Hiya Katie!! I agree with you. Any thoughts on why sykes, teresa and cummings are standing behind misty tho?

:seeya:

[KatieLady]

Maybe she invited a friend over that evening and the friend brought some questionable friends or acquaintances along. Could be someone slipped something in her drink and she cannot remember what happened that night. Maybe she won't come clean to save face. Who knows what a seventeen year old is thinking. IMO

All of those are possibilities Frankie. I still have this nagging feeling that she went out that night. The rumors seem to persist about that.

But then if she did I suppose someone would have come forward to confirm that? Unless, of course, they were doing something illegal. I suppose then no one would talk?

Like I said above....this case is so frustrating!!!

[panman]

Timothy and his trashy web page are not credible. He probably spliced that audio together from a combination of audios to create the message he wanted to send.

Hey diamond, remember the video with Cobra and TN. How many here believed every word from that video because it was against TN?

[2boysMom]

Is that the vid that Radio had a link to on her Twitter? It was difficult making out what William Staubs and Crystal's dad were saying but I heard enough to go "WOW".

I don't remember where I heard it before, but WOW is right!

[FrankieBones1]

They wouldn't lie about it Justice....none of his co-workers are going to cover for Ron....why should they..? they don't want to end up going to jail for aiding Ron..IMO
I agree TexSis. Especially when a little girl is missing. No way any man would lie in that kind of situation. Besides, it's been established that Ronald Cummings was at work for those hours that he claimed. The police don't have a problem with it and neither should we. IMO

[KatieLady]

Hiya Katie!! I agree with you. Any thoughts on why sykes, teresa and cummings are standing behind misty tho?

:seeya:

Morning Scampi :seeya:

The only thing that makes sense to me is that Ron has convinced them to "hold your enemies close"

But then I am trying to make logic out of the illogical! lol

[Diamond1]

Hey diamond, remember the video with Cobra and TN. How many here believed every word from that video because it was against TN?

Was that one of Timothy's videos?

[dustyk]

Morning Scampi :seeya:

The only thing that makes sense to me is that Ron has convinced them to "hold your enemies close"

But then I am trying to make logic out of the illogical! lol
But does it make sense to marry your enemy. JMO

[KatieLady]

But does it make sense to marry your enemy. JMO

well...it doesn't to me but IMO none of the players in this case are dealing with a full deck.

[jammies]

well...it doesn't to me but IMO none of the players in this case are dealing with a full deck.


Well, there ya go, Katie! ITA Trying to make sense out of any of them gives me a migraine.

[KatieLady]

Well, there ya go, Katie! ITA Trying to make sense out of any of them gives me a migraine.

Yep....can you imagine what poor LE has to go thru shifting thru all the *rap that both side spew? I feel really bad for them!

IMO it is no wonder that this case hasn't been solved yet!

[willow]

I am more interested in why they questioned this couple...are they in Massachusettes? Weren't the Croslins moving there? JMO

I think so dustyk and I have heard that one of Misty's brothers and his wife already has.

I am trying to remember is MI where the Croslins are from originally?..anyone?

[panman]

Was that one of Timothy's videos?

No clue who made it. But I sure remember all the posts glorifying Cobra and dogging TN.
Bad Cobra believing TN set him up, the snake, the flip flops, TN searching for 4 hrs. Am I remembering this correctly? The love of Cobra?
jmo

[dustyk]

I think so dustyk and I have heard that one of Misty's brothers and his wife already has.

I am trying to remember is MI where the Croslins are from originally?..anyone?

I did hear that or that Misty lived there at one time. JMO

[ClimbingRose]

I agree TexSis. Especially when a little girl is missing. No way any man would lie in that kind of situation. Besides, it's been established that Ronald Cummings was at work for those hours that he claimed. The police don't have a problem with it and neither should we. IMO



Frankie, unfortunately we live in a society where it is assumed a bystander will step up and be a good samaritian. Now a days it seems like everyone wants to walk with blinders on, simply focusing on their own little world. A classic example of the path we're taking is the mother of 2 little boys who was killed although the killer's brother gave him gas and saw this mother in the back begging him to call 911. There was a saint however, who saw and heard her in the car and dialed 911 but eventually that evening this mother of 2 little boys were killed who didn't have to if only one person had stood up to protect her.

[FrankieBones1]

Frankie, unfortunately we live in a society where it is assumed a bystander will step up and be a good samaritian. Now a days it seems like everyone wants to walk with blinders on, simply focusing on their own little world. A classic example of the path we're taking is the mother of 2 little boys who was killed although the killer's brother gave him gas and saw this mother in the back begging him to call 911. There was a saint however, who saw and heard her in the car and dialed 911 but eventually that evening this mother of 2 little boys were killed who didn't have to if only one person had stood up to protect her.

Operative words: the killer's brother.

We aren't really talking family here. These men at the bridge building plant were not related to Ronald Cummings. They had no reason to lie for him.

In my humble and non assertive opinion.

[panache]

Don't know, speculation on earlier thread that it might be relatives of Tommy (Hank Jr.) or his wife, Chelsea.

HOC

Just wanted to clear this up. Tommy (Hank Jr.) is married to Leslie, the nurse, and they still reside on Tyler St.

Timmy is married to Chelsea, who is originally from Falmouth, Cape Cod.

It appears Chelsea after giving birth in July moved back to where she grew up.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Timothy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother) http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=102176131

DOB June 21, 1987
Wife Chelsea(married 2-11-06)
Children:2
Occupation: Drywall finisher myspace

Chelsea Croslin’s www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin
Married to Timothy Croslin
Children:2
DOB Sep 29 1987
Home town: Cape Cod
Birthplace: Falmouth mass

[Texas48]

I still think Misty had company that night. I think Misty knows alot more.
corrrect...I believe many of us think Misty knows more....how does one go about getting her to *speak up*..?
IDK if she had company or she went out and left the kids alone.....I would choose to believe LE would have found someone to comfirm she was out but..if that were the case IMO..LE would have charged her for *child endangerment*....maybe get closer to the truth..? who lnows..?

[KatieLady]

Morning panache :seeya:

So, do you think it was Tim that LE spoke with?

[willow]

Hiya Katie!! I agree with you. Any thoughts on why sykes, teresa and cummings are standing behind misty tho?

:seeya:

I don't have the answer Scampi but it saddens me. I would think they would put Haleigh first and in my opinion they aren't.

I can not imagine standing behind someone the LE has said has the key for the last six months, failed polygraph test, voice insist test, and who knows what all that has happened the LE has not even let the public know about yet.

[willow]

Makes ya wonder how many others have been questioned that we don't know about. Also wonder how this got leaked. Who and why?

Good question and I hope the names come out very soon.

[CFMom]

corrrect...I believe many of us think Misty knows more....how does one go about getting her to *speak up*..?
IDK if she had company or she went out and left the kids alone.....I would choose to believe LE would have found someone to comfirm she was out but..if that were the case IMO..LE would have charged her for *child endangerment*....maybe get closer to the truth..? who lnows..?

Or maybe after her and Ron fought and she turned her phone off she was angry so she invited someone over..drugs maybe...or even her brother..wasnt it said he was over..Im very suspicious there.

[CFMom]

I hope Ron is proven innocent soon.

[ClimbingRose]

I think so dustyk and I have heard that one of Misty's brothers and his wife already has.

I am trying to remember is MI where the Croslins are from originally?..anyone?

Yes, they are from Cape Cod. My mother inlaw lives on the Cape and although it's very beautiful there isn't much to do. Unemployment is high partly b/c it tends to be a seasonal market. Beautiful place to visit for awhile.

[ClimbingRose]

I hope Ron is proven innocent soon.

or Father's up and get to the bottom of what happened to Haleigh.

[ClimbingRose]

I don't have the answer Scampi but it saddens me. I would think they would put Haleigh first and in my opinion they aren't.

I can not imagine standing behind someone the LE has said has the key for the last six months, failed polygraph test, voice insist test, and who knows what all that has happened the LE has not even let the public know about yet.


As with you, my heart and mind simply can not grasp, excuse, justify or explain why this father has been behaving in the way he has.

[CFMom]

or Father's up and get to the bottom of what happened to Haleigh.

Im hoping he will be found innocent. I dont wish for lil haleigh to have been harmed by a parent.

[FrankieBones1]

Oh Frankie, I remember it well too. KP and Crystal are gonna kick Ron's butt. The beaten bloody pix. Crystal afraid. Rons going to lose custody.

Oh and the poster with twitter. Some great written words on there, eh?

What are your thoughts on this couple in Mass.?

A new set of eyes (LE) going through old tips perhaps. Maybe this couple knows Misty or knows of her or saw something that night. We heard that there were over four thousand tips and I can't imagine how long it would take to go through them and all the follow up.
imo

[CFMom]

As with you, my heart and mind simply can not grasp, excuse, justify or explain why this father has been behaving in the way he has.

Some of feel that way too..about the mother to.

[ClimbingRose]

Oh please. Lack of self esteem? Down to their level? What low level is that post coming from?

Oh yea, and this has what to do Haleigh? Rut Ro!

Although I don't have any links nearby to explain this. But, Bullies tend to have a lower sense of self-esteem which leads them to bully or boss others b/c in a sick sense they believe by doing this it covers up their little and embarrasing lack of self-esteem.

[panache]

Morning panache :seeya:

So, do you think it was Tim that LE spoke with?

If its true that Timmy and Chelsea have moved back to the area where Chelsea is originally from, yes, I believe so. I just hope PCLE have interviewed them way before. Afterall, it was their blue van that was seized by LE at the beginning of this saga. LE can't be that remiss, can they?

moo

[ClimbingRose]

Some of feel that way too..about the mother to.

but Mom isn't associating with those who LE suspect played a role in or withholding information. Mom didn't go out and marry the person who was suppose to be protecting her children then went on to lie, lie, lie, lie and be dishonest down to even simple things. However, the father married that exact person.

As I've said before, this forum is not here to discuss which parent was more loving, deserved parent of the year, what they were doing from 5 years past and etc....We are here to focus on the crime which was committed and a child who disappeared. Does it have to be so hard to focus on the events surrounding this crime without deflecting questions with accusations against the mother?

[willow]

I did hear that or that Misty lived there at one time. JMO

Thanks dustyK for your help

[KatieLady]

If its true that Timmy and Chelsea have moved back to the area where Chelsea is originally from, yes, I believe so. I just hope PCLE have interviewed them way before. Afterall, it was their blue van that was seized by LE at the beginning of this saga. LE can't be that remiss, can they?

moo

Gosh...I sure hope not! I have to believe that they were spoken to before this.

[CFMom]

but Mom isn't associating with those who LE suspect played a role in or withholding information. Mom didn't go out and marry the person who was suppose to be protecting her children then went on to lie, lie, lie, lie and be dishonest down to even simple things. However, the father married that exact person.

As I've said before, this forum is not here to discuss which parent was more loving, deserved parent of the year, what they were doing from 5 years past and etc....We are here to focus on the crime which was committed and a child who disappeared. Does it have to be so hard to focus on the events surrounding this crime without deflecting questions with accusations against the mother?

BUT mom was content it appears to let Ron and his teen have the kids with no fight what so ever on her part. What mother would be ok with her children being left in the care of the grown fathers 16 yr old LIVE in gf? She should have been supporting her children.

[ClimbingRose]

If its true that Timmy and Chelsea have moved back to the area where Chelsea is originally from, yes, I believe so. I just hope PCLE have interviewed them way before. Afterall, it was their blue van that was seized by LE at the beginning of this saga. LE can't be that remiss, can they?

moo

IIRC and sometimes don't. Misty called them about a scratch that went down the side of the van the morning the crime occured. Was that van parked at Tommy's house or Misty's? It it was at Tommy's how did she know about that scratch?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Wish i had kept your post about your theory on what happen. I believe it was you that thinks Ron came home and was mad and disposed of his daughter..without proof I call accusing a father of disposing of his baby ..bashing.

No, its called a theory, do you know what message boards are for per chance?

[Diamond1]

BUT mom was content it appears to let Ron and his teen have the kids with no fight what so ever on her part. What mother would be ok with her children being left in the care of the grown fathers 16 yr old LIVE in gf? She should have been supporting her children.

Ronald Cummings made that decision and he is responsible for his actions and choices.

[dustyk]

No, its called a theory, do you know what message boards are for per chance?
I really wish she would have kept that post instead of that ridiculous video she posted earlier. JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

I really wish she would have kept that post instead of that ridiculous video she posted earlier. JMO

Well, sometimes slandering the mother of a missing child feels good to some, even if the cops name the key to finding the child,and its not her- does not matter, to some sadly they are not here for Haleigh but to spread hate that gives them satisfaction, its sad but theres usually a few in every story-

jmo

[ClimbingRose]

BUT mom was content it appears to let Ron and his teen have the kids with no fight what so ever on her part. What mother would be ok with her children being left in the care of the grown fathers 16 yr old LIVE in gf? She should have been supporting her children.

Again, defecting from the issues relevant to this crime and has no bearing or LE would have given hints as such.

So, Ronald had a teenager who again, allegedly had been on a weekend binge and only showed up that Monday morning. Recent developments suggest an argument b/w Ronald and Misty started at some point. Ronald leaves for work and leaves this teenager responsible for his 2 kids knowing what she had probably been doing over several days. Wouldn't the better choice have been to call TN or GGSykes? Is Ronald innocent of any involvment that led to or contributed to this crime?

[2boysMom]

but Mom isn't associating with those who LE suspect played a role in or withholding information. Mom didn't go out and marry the person who was suppose to be protecting her children then went on to lie, lie, lie, lie and be dishonest down to even simple things. However, the father married that exact person.

As I've said before, this forum is not here to discuss which parent was more loving, deserved parent of the year, what they were doing from 5 years past and etc....We are here to focus on the crime which was committed and a child who disappeared. Does it have to be so hard to focus on the events surrounding this crime without deflecting questions with accusations against the mother?

...or the Father?

BBM

[panman]

Although I don't have any links nearby to explain this. But, Bullies tend to have a lower sense of self-esteem which leads them to bully or boss others b/c in a sick sense they believe by doing this it covers up their little and embarrasing lack of self-esteem.

I am so curious as to why you put that to me? But since you did, I have news for you. Me, myself and I have nor ever had low self esteem. Do you know me better than myself? Are you calling me a bully because I stand up for myself or because I will stand up for someone has not been accused of a crime? If so, I will proudly stand up for all bullies. I do not have to follow anyone, I go where I want, when I want, and how I want.
If you have anything further to talk about regarding me and what you know about me, I dare you to take it to PM. Like CW says.
So follower, how do like me now?

[panache]

IIRC and sometimes don't. Misty called them about a scratch that went down the side of the van the morning the crime occured. Was that van parked at Tommy's house or Misty's? It it was at Tommy's how did she know about that scratch?

The infamous blue van was parked at Tyler St., ( Tommy' and Leslie's home), although it belonged to Timmy and Chelsea's who, at the time, resided in Crescent City.

[dustyk]

I am so curious as to why you put that to me? But since you did, I have news for you. Me, myself and I have nor ever had low self esteem. Do you know me better than myself? Are you calling me a bully because I stand up for myself or because I will stand up for someone has not been accused of a crime? If so, I will proudly stand up for all bullies. I do not have to follow anyone, I go where I want, when I want, and how I want.
If you have anything further to talk about regarding me and what you know about me, I dare you to take it to PM. Like CW says.
So follower, how do like me now?
See how funny this gets when they ramble...LOL JMO

[Diamond1]

The infamous blue van was parked at Tyler St., ( Tommy' and Leslie's home), although it belonged to Timmy and Chelsea's who, at the time, resided in Crescent City.

Misty managed to keep the focus on herself and her family.

[KatieLady]

The infamous blue van was parked at Tyler St., ( Tommy' and Leslie's home), although it belonged to Timmy and Chelsea's who, at the time, resided in Crescent City.

I am right in my recollection that Misty had access to it? She used to drive it?

[dustyk]

I am right in my recollection that Misty had access to it? She used to drive it?
IIRC the fight was about her babysitting, what if it was for this brother who is in Massachusetts and they came by and picked her up and brought her back that night. That would help the timeline a bit don't you think. JMO

[willow]

But does it make sense to marry your enemy. JMO

Not to me dustyk - it never has and it never will. That wedding has always been a red flag to me when it comes to Haleigh.

[ClimbingRose]

...or the Father?

BBM

And by this you mean Ronald has no blame in his child's disappearance?

Are you suggesting that Ronald's behavior, protecting one who clearly has failed to tell the truth, has refused to help in any possible way on this earth to help find Haleigh? Or he's innocent and bear's no need to search for the truth to what happened that night. Just recently we learned he has been aware of things for awhile that could have helped find Haleigh long before now.

[CFMom]

And by this you mean Ronald has no blame in his child's disappearance?

Are you suggesting that Ronald's behavior, protecting one who clearly has failed to tell the truth, has refused to help in any possible way on this earth to help find Haleigh? Or he's innocent and bear's no need to search for the truth to what happened that night. Just recently we learned he has been aware of things for awhile that could have helped find Haleigh long before now.

Do Chad or Crystal have an alibi?

[Viva4Haleigh]

What is going on here? This is a board about finding Haliegh, and her father, mother, step mom, the whole family they are up for discussion.

Why are some bashing new posters? Especially if they don't follow the main stream "theories"? If Panman has his own take on this case, that's his take.

We all have the right, to allege our theories based on what's been released in these cases. It's what we come here to do. Stop derailing the discussions and picking on people that you don't like. It's a distraction and derails the threads.

Thanks!

BTW, I think RC is just as involved as this little faker Misty Croslin, that's MO and it still stands. I think that LE will arrest them both and I'm waiting and those are my feelings, still in this case.

Amen-

So I am reading a couple in Mass was questioned and its more than likely Mistys brother and sister?

[ClimbingRose]

I am so curious as to why you put that to me? But since you did, I have news for you. Me, myself and I have nor ever had low self esteem. Do you know me better than myself? Are you calling me a bully because I stand up for myself or because I will stand up for someone has not been accused of a crime? If so, I will proudly stand up for all bullies. I do not have to follow anyone, I go where I want, when I want, and how I want.
If you have anything further to talk about regarding me and what you know about me, I dare you to take it to PM. Like CW says.
So follower, how do like me now?


Panman, there wasn't any ulterior motives or attacks against you. I apologize if my comment offended you. What I was attempting to do was expand on that particular issue and what studies have shown. It was in no means against you personally. I felt your opinion had a very good point and I was just elaborating more on that issue.

[CFMom]

I hope today brings positive news in where is Haleigh.

[?noanswer]

HOC

Just wanted to clear this up. Tommy (Hank Jr.) is married to Leslie, the nurse, and they still reside on Tyler St.

Timmy is married to Chelsea, who is originally from Falmouth, Cape Cod.

It appears Chelsea after giving birth in July moved back to where she grew up.



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Timothy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother) http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=102176131

DOB June 21, 1987
Wife Chelsea(married 2-11-06)
Children:2
Occupation: Drywall finisher myspace

Chelsea Croslin’s www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin (http://www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin)
Married to Timothy Croslin
Children:2
DOB Sep 29 1987
Home town: Cape Cod
Birthplace: Falmouth mass

Sounds like that may be who was questioned by LE if they indeed did move up there. JMO

[CFMom]

How a little girl can vanish into thin air and no one slip us is unreal. Someone knows something.

[willow]

or Father's up and get to the bottom of what happened to Haleigh.

There is the post of the day.

I agree, LE, Tim Miller, etc. everyone is looking at Misty but there hands are tied.

Ron needs to think of Haleigh first in my opinion.

[Lqqkout]

HOC

Just wanted to clear this up. Tommy (Hank Jr.) is married to Leslie, the nurse, and they still reside on Tyler St.

Timmy is married to Chelsea, who is originally from Falmouth, Cape Cod.

It appears Chelsea after giving birth in July moved back to where she grew up.




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Timothy Croslin’s myspace (Misty’s Brother) http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=102176131

DOB June 21, 1987
Wife Chelsea(married 2-11-06)
Children:2
Occupation: Drywall finisher myspace

Chelsea Croslin’s www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin
Married to Timothy Croslin
Children:2
DOB Sep 29 1987
Home town: Cape Cod
Birthplace: Falmouth mass

Interesting...................I sure hope LE here in MA is searching this house although I don't know if they have probable cause to acquire a search warrant ....questioning neighbors about the appearance of a little girl would be useful. But, if they just moved there, neighbors might not be much help either. Sorry, rambling....typing while thinking.

[CFMom]

There is the post of the day.

I agree, LE, Tim Miller, etc. everyone is looking at Misty but there hands are tied.

Ron needs to think of Haleigh first in my opinion.

I believe Ron has put his children first. This is why he had custody and provided for them with no help from the other parent. I really pray what we have heard is true and he married Misty to help find his daughter.

[CFMom]

Interesting...................I sure hope LE here in MA is searching this house although I don't know if they have probable cause to acquire a search warrant ....questioning neighbors about the appearance of a little girl would be useful. But, if they just moved there, neighbors might not be much help either. Sorry, rambling....typing while thinking.

Finding her alive would be a miracle..and I know miracles do happen!

[CFMom]

I do not whine nor do I attack a poster on an individual basis. Simply b/c I don't believe Crystal was in any way involved with what happened to Haleigh I have never claimed or implied she walks on water. Nor is my judegement biased for Crystal. I personally believe she was not directly or indirectly involved with any part of this crime. I do however refuse to give Ronald a free pass for a grieving dad because he set up the environment which allowed Haleigh to be taken.
A dad who was there for his kids? Isn't he the very same dad who left his children with a teenager who had been absent for three months and suspected she may have been doing drugs? Trashing dad? No, angry b/c IMO he knows more about this case then what he's shared. If he wanted his daughter back so badly, why hasn't he rushed to the police station, called for the FBI or even the DEA and spilled his guts out? He did have TM there for a couple of days who would have done anything to bring this little girl home. But, the moment Misty is accused of lieing, TM is cut off and refused access to any of these family members.
A caring dad who only wants his daughter home?

JMO

Allowed Haleigh to be taken? No proof what so ever that Ron allowed his child to be taken.

[willow]

As with you, my heart and mind simply can not grasp, excuse, justify or explain why this father has been behaving in the way he has.

Neither can I and I have looked at it at every angle I can it still turns my stomach that he is not putting his daughter first in my opinion.

[littlebludot]

I do not whine nor do I attack a poster on an individual basis. Simply b/c I don't believe Crystal was in any way involved with what happened to Haleigh I have never claimed or implied she walks on water. Nor is my judegement biased for Crystal. I personally believe she was not directly or indirectly involved with any part of this crime. I do however refuse to give Ronald a free pass for a grieving dad because he set up the environment which allowed Haleigh to be taken.
A dad who was there for his kids? Isn't he the very same dad who left his children with a teenager who had been absent for three months and suspected she may have been doing drugs? Trashing dad? No, angry b/c IMO he knows more about this case then what he's shared. If he wanted his daughter back so badly, why hasn't he rushed to the police station, called for the FBI or even the DEA and spilled his guts out? He did have TM there for a couple of days who would have done anything to bring this little girl home. But, the moment Misty is accused of lieing, TM is cut off and refused access to any of these family members.
A caring dad who only wants his daughter home?

JMO

I also believe that Crystal has nothing to do with this ! mo and I am entitled to it! I most certainly was not pinpointing you or anyone else with my comment! I just pray this can all be solved REAL soon and little Haleigh can be brought home!

[CFMom]

I dont feel either parent is guilty but I would like to know what Crystal and Chads alibis are.

[Justice4all]

Well i just read Radio's going to take a break from tweeting about the case. I saw this coming a mile away. As soon as LE said RC's wasn't a suspect and then everyone was able to confirm he was at work his whole shift she didn't like the direction the LE were going with the case. She's been a very loyal tweeter for everyone but yet very bias.

MOO

[CFMom]

Well i just read Radio's going to take a break from tweeting about the case. I saw this coming a mile away. As soon as LE said RC's wasn't a suspect and then everyone was able to confirm he was at work his whole shift she didn't like the direction the LE were going with the case. She's been a very loyal tweeter for everyone but yet very bias.

MOO

The hate is why. Sad. Thats not why Justice.

[willow]

Although I don't have any links nearby to explain this. But, Bullies tend to have a lower sense of self-esteem which leads them to bully or boss others b/c in a sick sense they believe by doing this it covers up their little and embarrasing lack of self-esteem.

I have always been told that also ClimbingRose and I do beleive you are correct.

I asked this earlier before you came on-line so I will ask again because I think my post got lost.

Does anyone know when TM and TES is coming back to search for Haleigh?

[ClimbingRose]

Allowed Haleigh to be taken? No proof what so ever that Ron allowed his child to be taken.

Why do I think Ronald allowed Haleigh to be taken? Just look at the characters he left his children with. What do you believe Ronald did to protect his children that night?

[2boysMom]

And by this you mean Ronald has no blame in his child's disappearance?

Are you suggesting that Ronald's behavior, protecting one who clearly has failed to tell the truth, has refused to help in any possible way on this earth to help find Haleigh? Or he's innocent and bear's no need to search for the truth to what happened that night. Just recently we learned he has been aware of things for awhile that could have helped find Haleigh long before now.

Do I really need to spell it out for you? Both Ron and Crystal have been cleared..They're not suspects. Both have histories of bad behavior. I'm suggesting that if you're going to demand that posters not bash, then you need to include BOTH parents. IMO

[2boysMom]

Why do I think Ronald allowed Haleigh to be taken? Just look at the characters he left his children with. What do you believe Ronald did to protect his children that night?

...and if you think Ron is so bad, just look at the character Crystal left her 2 children with!

[dustyk]

The longer this case drags on the more I believe this is a terrible hoax. although I do hope and pray she is found alive and that is what this really is. That would be the only reason I could see Ronald siding with Misty after failed poly's. Of course she failed them and he knows why. I remember another case around the casey anthony case and this mother also used this hoax http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n35/sweeten-daughter-police.html
With donation money rolling in why go back to work? Didn't someone say he was talking about the money when he got his tattoos. did he know enough about cell phone pings to make sure Misty had her phone turned off so she couldn't be tracked. JMO

[ClimbingRose]

The hate is why. Sad. Thats not why Justice.

Hate? No, Anger? absolutely The only person deserving of justice is Haleigh.

[ClimbingRose]

...and if you think Ron is so bad, just look at the character Crystal left her 2 children with!

Crystal was not involved, regardless of the reason, in Ronald's decision to leave his two children in the care of Misty. Is it really so hard to focus and discuss the issues that were connected to that MH when Haleigh went missing?

[panache]

IIRC and sometimes don't. Misty called them about a scratch that went down the side of the van the morning the crime occured. Was that van parked at Tommy's house or Misty's? It it was at Tommy's how did she know about that scratch?

Far as I know it was at Tommy's. Never heard a tweet that the van was at Green St. Strongly doubt it.

[titanfan217]

I think so dustyk and I have heard that one of Misty's brothers and his wife already has.

I am trying to remember is MI where the Croslins are from originally?..anyone?

I thought it was Michigan also, but from the article "last night", I think it is Massachusetts and that's where Chelsea's family is.

[2boysMom]

Crystal was not involved, regardless of the reason, in Ronald's decision to leave his two children in the care of Misty. Is it really so hard to focus and discuss the issues that were connected to that MH when Haleigh went missing?

Why are you so rude and demeaning to your fellow posters?

[CFMom]

Why do I think Ronald allowed Haleigh to be taken? Just look at the characters he left his children with. What do you believe Ronald did to protect his children that night?
What CharacterS?

[Justice4all]

Crystal was not involved, regardless of the reason, in Ronald's decision to leave his two children in the care of Misty. Is it really so hard to focus and discuss the issues that were connected to that MH when Haleigh went missing?

Do you honestly believe Ron thought Misty would have harmed his children?

[panache]

I am right in my recollection that Misty had access to it? She used to drive it?

So its been said Katie. Timmy allowed Misty, an unlicensed driver to use his van.

moo

[W_D_1]

I do not whine nor do I attack a poster on an individual basis. Simply b/c I don't believe Crystal was in any way involved with what happened to Haleigh I have never claimed or implied she walks on water. Nor is my judegement biased for Crystal. I personally believe she was not directly or indirectly involved with any part of this crime. I do however refuse to give Ronald a free pass for a grieving dad because he set up the environment which allowed Haleigh to be taken.
A dad who was there for his kids? Isn't he the very same dad who left his children with a teenager who had been absent for three months and suspected she may have been doing drugs? Trashing dad? No, angry b/c IMO he knows more about this case then what he's shared. If he wanted his daughter back so badly, why hasn't he rushed to the police station, called for the FBI or even the DEA and spilled his guts out? He did have TM there for a couple of days who would have done anything to bring this little girl home. But, the moment Misty is accused of lieing, TM is cut off and refused access to any of these family members.
A caring dad who only wants his daughter home?

JMO


Underlined....3 months??

Bolded....he went to/with LE in the beginning. He was interviewed numerous times, some reports have all family members being interviewed 10 times each. He took a polygraph. He went on physical searches with Tim Miller and EquuSearch.

LE hs never said or indicated they have a problem with his account. In fact they have said they are satisfied with his account. Apparently they believe he has "spilled his guts out".

When was Tim Miller denied access to any of the family members?

[panache]

I thought it was Michigan also, but from the article "last night", I think it is Massachusetts and that's where Chelsea's family is.

Misty has posted often on her myspace that her original origin was in Michigan. FWITW.

[ClimbingRose]

Do I really need to spell it out for you? Both Ron and Crystal have been cleared..They're not suspects. Both have histories of bad behavior. I'm suggesting that if you're going to demand that posters not bash, then you need to include BOTH parents. IMO

But, Ronald is very involved with those who LE suspects took Haleigh. Ronald has been keeping things from LE that could help this investigation. But, why does he choose to keep these secrets? Why doesn't he just come out and tell everything he knows about this crime so that LE can find her?

[jimbob]

I do not whine nor do I attack a poster on an individual basis. Simply b/c I don't believe Crystal was in any way involved with what happened to Haleigh I have never claimed or implied she walks on water. Nor is my judegement biased for Crystal. I personally believe she was not directly or indirectly involved with any part of this crime. I do however refuse to give Ronald a free pass for a grieving dad because he set up the environment which allowed Haleigh to be taken.
A dad who was there for his kids? Isn't he the very same dad who left his children with a teenager who had been absent for three months and suspected she may have been doing drugs? Trashing dad? No, angry b/c IMO he knows more about this case then what he's shared. If he wanted his daughter back so badly, why hasn't he rushed to the police station, called for the FBI or even the DEA and spilled his guts out? He did have TM there for a couple of days who would have done anything to bring this little girl home. But, the moment Misty is accused of lieing, TM is cut off and refused access to any of these family members.
A caring dad who only wants his daughter home?

JMO


Or 35k ..whichever , apparantly doesnt matter much to Ron.

[KatieLady]

So its been said Katie. Timmy allowed Misty, an unlicensed driver to use his van.

moo

Thanks panache...that is what I thought but this case has gone on so long it is hard to remember it all. I appreciate the help

[titanfan217]

The infamous blue van was parked at Tyler St., ( Tommy' and Leslie's home), although it belonged to Timmy and Chelsea's who, at the time, resided in Crescent City.

I thought it was the other way.... this one makes more sense.

[W_D_1]

The longer this case drags on the more I believe this is a terrible hoax. although I do hope and pray she is found alive and that is what this really is. That would be the only reason I could see Ronald siding with Misty after failed poly's. Of course she failed them and he knows why. I remember another case around the casey anthony case and this mother also used this hoax http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n35/sweeten-daughter-police.html
With donation money rolling in why go back to work? Didn't someone say he was talking about the money when he got his tattoos. did he know enough about cell phone pings to make sure Misty had her phone turned off so she couldn't be tracked. JMO


The police in the case you linked figured out it was a hoax in a very short amount of time. It didn't take 7 months. Apples/oranges.

[willow]

but Mom isn't associating with those who LE suspect played a role in or withholding information. Mom didn't go out and marry the person who was suppose to be protecting her children then went on to lie, lie, lie, lie and be dishonest down to even simple things. However, the father married that exact person.

As I've said before, this forum is not here to discuss which parent was more loving, deserved parent of the year, what they were doing from 5 years past and etc....We are here to focus on the crime which was committed and a child who disappeared. Does it have to be so hard to focus on the events surrounding this crime without deflecting questions with accusations against the mother?

I agree Climbing Rose - I am here for Haleigh only and I or no one else on this message board can help it that LE is looking at Misty and now Misty is a Cummings. So, that is where I believe LE has been and still are focusing their attention.

[ClimbingRose]

Underlined....3 months??

Bolded....he went to/with LE in the beginning. He was interviewed numerous times, some reports have all family members being interviewed 10 times each. He took a polygraph. He went on physical searches with Tim Miller and EquuSearch.

LE hs never said or indicated they have a problem with his account. In fact they have said they are satisfied with his account. Apparently they believe he has "spilled his guts out".

When was Tim Miller denied access to any of the family members?

Oops, sorry that was a typo while pulling my dog off my computer. Has LE known all along how he felt about Misty? Didn Ronald share with LE about the missing laundry detergent. Tim got cut off from Ronald's familly when he went public following Misty and shared with the media that Misty had failed miserably. Or have you come across any interviews from TN or GGSykes addressing this lastet bit of controversy?
I'm still waiting to hear how they explain this and their continued support of Misty.

[W_D_1]

Crystal was not involved, regardless of the reason, in Ronald's decision to leave his two children in the care of Misty. Is it really so hard to focus and discuss the issues that were connected to that MH when Haleigh went missing?



Perhaps if Crystal had bothered to pay child support those kids could have been in daycare and not with Misty so your claim isn't factually true.

[2boysMom]

Perhaps if Crystal had bothered to pay child support those kids could have been in daycare and not with Misty so your claim isn't factually true.

Great point!

[ClimbingRose]

The infamous blue van was parked at Tyler St., ( Tommy' and Leslie's home), although it belonged to Timmy and Chelsea's who, at the time, resided in Crescent City.

TY. Do you recall why Misty called Leslie? or How did Misty know about that scratch if the van was parked elsewhere? Was that the vehicle Tommy drove to Ronald's the evening' before?

[W_D_1]

But, Ronald is very involved with those who LE suspects took Haleigh. Ronald has been keeping things from LE that could help this investigation. But, why does he choose to keep these secrets? Why doesn't he just come out and tell everything he knows about this crime so that LE can find her?


LE hasn't said they suspect any particular person so how do you figure that? It may have been someone Misty knew that Ronald has never met. And please post a link to back up your claim that Ron has kept anything from investigators.

[willow]

I hope Ron is proven innocent soon.

I hope Haleigh is found soon.

[ClimbingRose]

Perhaps if Crystal had bothered to pay child support those kids could have been in daycare and not with Misty so your claim isn't factually true.

Or maybe he could have left his children with TN or GGSykes? IMO Misty was costing more than what Crystal would have provided in CS.

[Lqqkout]

Yes, they are from Cape Cod. My mother inlaw lives on the Cape and although it's very beautiful there isn't much to do. Unemployment is high partly b/c it tends to be a seasonal market. Beautiful place to visit for awhile.

And extremely expensive to own a home there...

[dustyk]

The police in the case you linked figured out it was a hoax in a very short amount of time. It didn't take 7 months. Apples/oranges.
Well they are saying no stranger abduction, who does that leave in your opinion.JMO

[littlebludot]

Ok, can not keep silent any longer! Child support gas NOTHING to do with this! imo if they would have gooten it they would have spent it on other things most certainly NOT daycare!!

[W_D_1]

Or maybe he could have left his children with TN or GGSykes? IMO Misty was costing more than what Crystal would have provided in CS.



TN had a job and Annette Sykes is an old woman. Why should they be responsible for taking up for Crystal's lack of help? Gace facts.....Crystal owns her share in this tragedy.

[ClimbingRose]

I hope Ron is proven innocent soon.

It could happen maybe. All he has to do is tell LE everything he knows and bringing Misty along wouldn't hurt either.

This isn't about hoping Ron is proven innocent soon. It's about finding a child who has been missing for SIX months.

[kelloggirl]

Errr...sorry to interrupt, but I've been following this case through the links and was wondering about whether there had been any news about the supposed search at the site of the red rose Misty told investigators had not been searched thoroughly. If anyone can point me or enlighten me on any of these questions, it is much appreciated!

Was there actually a new search at that location by TES or others?
Was the area officially re-cleared and nothing was found?
Or was anything of interest found?

Thanks!

[ClimbingRose]

TN had a job and Annette Sykes is an old woman. Why should they be responsible for taking up for Crystal's lack of help? Gace facts.....Crystal owns her share in this tragedy.

Annette must not be in that bad of shape. From what little I've seen of her in various video's she's able to walk and drive fine.

Crystal owns the guilt and shame for her failure as a mother. However, this tragedy is Ronald's and Misty's.

[W_D_1]

Errr...sorry to interrupt, but I've been following this case through the links and was wondering about whether there had been any news about the supposed search at the site of the red rose Misty told investigators had not been searched thoroughly. If anyone can point me or enlighten me on any of these questions, it is much appreciated!

Was there actually a new search at that location by TES or others?
Was the area officially re-cleared and nothing was found?
Or was anything of interest found?

Thanks!



Yes there was a search and no, nothing was found. TES searched the area last Saturday.

[ClimbingRose]

Ok, can not keep silent any longer! Child support gas NOTHING to do with this! imo if they would have gooten it they would have spent it on other things most certainly NOT daycare!!

:thumbsup: we don't even know if or how much he would have spent toward his children.

[willow]

Again, defecting from the issues relevant to this crime and has no bearing or LE would have given hints as such.

So, Ronald had a teenager who again, allegedly had been on a weekend binge and only showed up that Monday morning. Recent developments suggest an argument b/w Ronald and Misty started at some point. Ronald leaves for work and leaves this teenager responsible for his 2 kids knowing what she had probably been doing over several days. Wouldn't the better choice have been to call TN or GGSykes? Is Ronald innocent of any involvment that led to or contributed to this crime?

Excellent post in my opinion

[W_D_1]

Oops, sorry that was a typo while pulling my dog off my computer. Has LE known all along how he felt about Misty? Didn Ronald share with LE about the missing laundry detergent. Tim got cut off from Ronald's familly when he went public following Misty and shared with the media that Misty had failed miserably. Or have you come across any interviews from TN or GGSykes addressing this lastet bit of controversy?
I'm still waiting to hear how they explain this and their continued support of Misty.


I've googled and found nothing showing Tim Miller doesn't have access to anyone. Just because they haven't addressed anything publicly doesn't back up your claim.

[littlebludot]

:thumbsup: we don't even know if or how much he would have spent toward his children.

Not much I am sure! Buying other things!!

[Lqqkout]

Ok, can not keep silent any longer! Child support gas NOTHING to do with this! imo if they would have gooten it they would have spent it on other things most certainly NOT daycare!!

Respectfully, that is a supposition on your part. Actually Ron did say when asked who would provide care for Haleigh, that he wanted to get day-care for the nightime. But as we all know Ron never received any support to help him care for his children.

[SilentSanity]

The infamous blue van was parked at Tyler St., ( Tommy' and Leslie's home), although it belonged to Timmy and Chelsea's who, at the time, resided in Crescent City.


New poster here :smile: Just wanted to correct this statement.

The infamous blue van was parked at Timmy and Chelsea's home in Crescent City that night. It belonged to Tommy and Lyndsy. Timmy and Chelsea were borrowing it because their car was in a recent accident.
When Lydnsy got the van back she noticed the scratch and then called Chelsea to ask her about it. And then came the story of Chelsea stating that when she went to the driveway, the van was parked in a way she knew she did not park it the previous night (the night HaLeigh disappeared.)
Hope that helps to clear up some of the van confusion :smile:

[dustyk]

What does this have to do with your hoax claim? The police saying it isn't stranger related doesn't prove it's a hoax.

Didn't sayit proved it was a hoax but it seems they have ruled out stranger abduction, so why prop open a door and stage a scene. Why say you were sleeping and ronald says the bed wasn't slept in, why say you were doing laundry and your husband says no laundry detergent. But if Ronald knows about the inconsistencies why stay with her and defend her. Why call in TM and then turn against him...could it be that donations follow Tim and he didn't expect Tim to go after Misty. JMO

[ClimbingRose]

Respectfully, that is a supposition on your part. Actually Ron did say when asked who would provide care for Haleigh, that he wanted to get day-care for the nighttime. But as we all know Ron never received any support to help him care for his children.



From dealing with childcare. There are extremely few who offer night time daycare. Did he provide any additional information about the daycare in question as to it's location? Since TN nor GGSykes worked evening shifts perhaps they could have provided childcare.

[Lynn Gweeny]

I thought it was the other way.... this one makes more sense.

After reading panache's post about the van, titan, I went to see what I had regarding the van and found this post back in March here at IS from poster 'Politigal':

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

There was also a post on another forum by a poster with the nic 'Chelsea Croslin' who indicated that she had gone out to the van (parked at her home in Crescent City) around 5:30 a.m. because she had to go and pick up Lisa Croslin from Shands hospital where she had been staying with Hank Croslin, Sr. after being hospitalized after a car accident, IIRC. In early videos of interviews with the Sr. Croslins, Hank was in a wheelchair and later on crutches. JMO

From reading both posts, the van belongs to Tommy and Lindsy on Tyler Street, but Chelsea had borrowed it that weekend (the same weekend that cousin "joe" was staying with them).

ETA ~ Just saw SilentSanity's post regarding the van.

[Lqqkout]

New poster here :smile: Just wanted to correct this statement.

The infamous blue van was parked at Timmy and Chelsea's home in Crescent City that night. It belonged to Tommy and Lyndsy. Timmy and Chelsea were borrowing it because their car was in a recent accident.
When Lydnsy got the van back she noticed the scratch and then called Chelsea to ask her about it. And then came the story of Chelsea stating that when she went to the driveway, the van was parked in a way she knew she did not park it the previous night (the night HaLeigh disappeared.)
Hope that helps to clear up some of the van confusion :smile:

Thank you for the clarification.

[HouseOfClark]

Respectfully, that is a supposition on your part. Actually Ron did say when asked who would provide care for Haleigh, that he wanted to get day-care for the nightime. But as we all know Ron never received any support to help him care for his children.

I don't recall Ron ever saying anything about wanting to get "day care for the nightime', do you have a link for this statement?

In the custody docs, he says that when the children are older he would put them in nursery school. Nothing about night time care because there's nothing in there to suggest that Ron worked nights at that time.

[ClimbingRose]

After reading panache's post about the van, titan, I went to see what I had regarding the van and found this post back in March here at IS from poster 'Politigal':

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

There was also a post on another forum by a poster with the nic 'Chelsea Croslin' who indicated that she had gone out to the van (parked at her home in Crescent City) around 5:30 a.m. because she had to go and pick up Lisa Croslin from Shands hospital where she had been staying with Hank Croslin, Sr. after being hospitalized after a car accident, IIRC. In early videos of interviews with the Sr. Croslins, Hank was in a wheelchair and later on crutches. JMO

From reading both posts, the van belongs to Tommy and Lindsy on Tyler Street, but Chelsea had borrowed it that weekend (the same weekend that cousin "joe" was staying with them).


Chelsea is Tommy's wife? The van was parked at her home, right? So, why did Misty make that early phone call with questions about that particular scratch? Anything else Lynn?

[willow]

I do not whine nor do I attack a poster on an individual basis. Simply b/c I don't believe Crystal was in any way involved with what happened to Haleigh I have never claimed or implied she walks on water. Nor is my judegement biased for Crystal. I personally believe she was not directly or indirectly involved with any part of this crime. I do however refuse to give Ronald a free pass for a grieving dad because he set up the environment which allowed Haleigh to be taken.
A dad who was there for his kids? Isn't he the very same dad who left his children with a teenager who had been absent for three months and suspected she may have been doing drugs? Trashing dad? No, angry b/c IMO he knows more about this case then what he's shared. If he wanted his daughter back so badly, why hasn't he rushed to the police station, called for the FBI or even the DEA and spilled his guts out? He did have TM there for a couple of days who would have done anything to bring this little girl home. But, the moment Misty is accused of lieing, TM is cut off and refused access to any of these family members.
A caring dad who only wants his daughter home?

JMO


Climbing Rose I have not been on this board very much the last week or so but, I have to say I admire your writing ability and your fair posting. I can tell we think very much alike. I wish I could write and express how I feel like you do.

Again, an excellent post imo.

[ClimbingRose]

I don't recall Ron ever saying anything about wanting to get "day care for the nightime', do you have a link for this statement?

In the custody docs, he says that when the children are older he would put them in nursery school. Nothing about night time care because there's nothing in there to suggest that Ron worked nights at that time.

Like I mentioned earlier to the above post. Night time daycare is very rare.

[Lqqkout]

I thought it was Michigan also, but from the article "last night", I think it is Massachusetts and that's where Chelsea's family is.

Do you know Chelsea's maiden name? And yes, last night the family that was questioned live in So. Yarmouth, MA. From what I have read on these posts they just recently moved there, is that correct?

[KatieLady]

After reading panache's post about the van, titan, I went to see what I had regarding the van and found this post back in March here at IS from poster 'Politigal':

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12924933&postcount=555

There was also a post on another forum by a poster with the nic 'Chelsea Croslin' who indicated that she had gone out to the van (parked at her home in Crescent City) around 5:30 a.m. because she had to go and pick up Lisa Croslin from Shands hospital where she had been staying with Hank Croslin, Sr. after being hospitalized after a car accident, IIRC. In early videos of interviews with the Sr. Croslins, Hank was in a wheelchair and later on crutches. JMO

From reading both posts, the van belongs to Tommy and Lindsy on Tyler Street, but Chelsea had borrowed it that weekend (the same weekend that cousin "joe" was staying with them).

ETA ~ Just saw SilentSanity's post regarding the van.

Thanks to you and SS!

[aproudmom]

New thread.
Please light a candle for Haleigh.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Thanks Rucky I will go light one right now...

[ClimbingRose]

Thank you for the clarification.

That still doesn't explain why Misty called early that morning and saying something to the effect of please tell me you put that scratch on there.

Does anyone else remember this, just the thought of going into that storage room ugggh

[Lynn Gweeny]

Chelsea is Tommy's wife? The van was parked at her home, right? So, why did Misty make that early phone call with questions about that particular scratch? Anything else Lynn?


Chelsea is Timmy's wife, Lindsy is Tommy's wife. According to the March post I linked .... But when Misty phoned her about Haleigh being missing and she went outside to get in the van that it was parked differently. Later, she returned the van to Lindsy. Then *Lindsy* phoned her and said please tell me you're the one who put the scratch in my van.

[Lqqkout]

Just saw this.........
http://www.bloggernews.net/122140

[kelloggirl]

Yes there was a search and no, nothing was found. TES searched the area last Saturday.

Thank you very much! That's disappointing. I really thought something of interest would be found that might help.

[W_D_1]

That still doesn't explain why Misty called early that morning and saying something to the effect of please tell me you put that scratch on there.

Does anyone else remember this, just the thought of going into that storage room ugggh




Misty didn't make that call. Lindsy called Chelsea and asked her that.

[Lqqkout]

Like I mentioned earlier to the above post. Night time daycare is very rare.


Oh ok, that explains why no child support was forthcoming. Chrystal knew night time daycare was very rare..Thank you

[Viva4Haleigh]

I just wonder why Misty would lead them to a red rose, in the ground, and they are maintaining they think she is still alive, I mean does that leading them to a rose in the ground contradict that?

[HouseOfClark]

I just wonder why Misty would lead them to a red rose, in the ground, and they are maintaining they think she is still alive, I mean does that leading them to a rose in the ground contradict that?

It's a distraction?

IOW, "Stop looking at me, look over there".

[aproudmom]

I do not whine nor do I attack a poster on an individual basis. Simply b/c I don't believe Crystal was in any way involved with what happened to Haleigh I have never claimed or implied she walks on water. Nor is my judegement biased for Crystal. I personally believe she was not directly or indirectly involved with any part of this crime. I do however refuse to give Ronald a free pass for a grieving dad because he set up the environment which allowed Haleigh to be taken.
A dad who was there for his kids? Isn't he the very same dad who left his children with a teenager who had been absent for three months and suspected she may have been doing drugs? Trashing dad? No, angry b/c IMO he knows more about this case then what he's shared. If he wanted his daughter back so badly, why hasn't he rushed to the police station, called for the FBI or even the DEA and spilled his guts out? He did have TM there for a couple of days who would have done anything to bring this little girl home. But, the moment Misty is accused of lieing, TM is cut off and refused access to any of these family members.
A caring dad who only wants his daughter home?

JMO

wonderful post and ITA with pretty much all of it...Misty is my biggest problem and I do not think RC nor his family wants to believe she could have just not been there..I am sorry as a mother I would never marry someone who I have heard holds the key and failed poly's but that is RC not me..JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

hi there kkkkkkkatie:seeya:

do you have a theory as to what might have happened to Haleigh?...LE has HUGE problems w/Misty's stories, yet Ronald, Haleigh's daddy, is sticking up for her....& what do you think about Ronald's story to LE about him & Misty arguing on the phone, the night Haleigh went 'missing'?....he claims they argued to the point Misty turned off her phone from 8:30 pm to the time RC got home; 3:24 am....what, if anything, do you think Misty was doing during those 7 hours her phone was turned off?

And at what point did she turn her phone back on? Its just sketchy at best-

jmo

[willow]

I thought it was Michigan also, but from the article "last night", I think it is Massachusetts and that's where Chelsea's family is.

Thanks titan, I thought it was MI but I kept seeing posters talk about MA, so I guess I was wrong. Thanks for the help.

[Viva4Haleigh]

It's a distraction?

IOW, "Stop looking at me, look over there".

I wouldn't doubt if she planted it there, its just bizarre- never hear that on NG though, she should be exploring facts like this-

jmo

[aproudmom]

I just wonder why Misty would lead them to a red rose, in the ground, and they are maintaining they think she is still alive, I mean does that leading them to a rose in the ground contradict that?

I said the same thing the other day..she says she is alive but then this rose...I don't get it.:confused:..JMO

[willow]

The longer this case drags on the more I believe this is a terrible hoax. although I do hope and pray she is found alive and that is what this really is. That would be the only reason I could see Ronald siding with Misty after failed poly's. Of course she failed them and he knows why. I remember another case around the casey anthony case and this mother also used this hoax http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n35/sweeten-daughter-police.html
With donation money rolling in why go back to work? Didn't someone say he was talking about the money when he got his tattoos. did he know enough about cell phone pings to make sure Misty had her phone turned off so she couldn't be tracked. JMO

I do think this is a extremely strange case so at this point I would not be shocked if it was all a big set up. It would be great if it was a Hoax - IF that means Haleigh is alive. I didn't have time to read your link but I will try to come back later and read it.

[aproudmom]

Fine, after I feed the dogs I'll get those links right to you

lif he was smart he would run now..Flordia is not a good place for TM...JMO:wink:

[dustyk]

I wouldn't doubt if she planted it there, its just bizarre- never hear that on NG though, she should be exploring facts like this-

jmo
I hope she is exploring why they are worried that their phones are tapped. Don't think she figured that out yet. JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

First it was cousin joe, then the red rose, 4 men in a dream and now Larry and OH if they only had $35,000 they would have her. HMMM JMO

And if Ron is talking to a 4 year old girl and believing her enough to tell his lawyer about LArry, why didn't he believe his son who was in the home and saw a man in black take sissy? Why did he dismiss this as garbage, yet not question this 4 year old on where she is talking to Haleigh to find out about Larry, I mean come on, and thats normal to anyone?

jmo

[W_D_1]

And if Ron is talking to a 4 year old girl and believing her enough to tell his lawyer about LArry, why didn't he believe his son who was in the home and saw a man in black take sissy? Why did he dismiss this as garbage, yet not question this 4 year old on where she is talking to Haleigh to find out about Larry, I mean come on, and thats normal to anyone?

jmo


Gee ya think maybe he explained it to his attorney after Tim released the voicemail and not becuase he believed the girl?

He was with Junior the night Haleigh disappeared. Don't you think it's possible that he doubts it because Junior never mentioned a black man in black that night?

You spin and twist every word he says to make him look guilty but never look at anything from an innocent standpoint. IMO that's sad.

[KatieLady]

hi there kkkkkkkatie:seeya:

do you have a theory as to what might have happened to Haleigh?...LE has HUGE problems w/Misty's stories, yet Ronald, Haleigh's daddy, is sticking up for her....& what do you think about Ronald's story to LE about him & Misty arguing on the phone, the night Haleigh went 'missing'?....he claims they argued to the point Misty turned off her phone from 8:30 pm to the time RC got home; 3:24 am....what, if anything, do you think Misty was doing during those 7 hours her phone was turned off?

Hi Mel....good to see you!

All just supposition on my part but given that LE still seems to be focused on Misty....my guess is that she either left the kids alone that night and went out or had someone over to help her get "thru" the fight with Ron or sat at home with the kids, by herself, and got high or drunk.

I guess I have to take Ron at his word that he "keeps his enemy's closer" (until I hear otherwise) as the reason for his sticking up for her. I think he is afraid that if he doesn't she will run away or shut up and he will never know what happened.

IMO all of the players in this have "skeletons" and none of them have been 100% forthcoming about lifestyle etc.

This sad case is really in need of a hero that will step forward. :sad:

[Mel]

Misty managed to keep the focus on herself and her family.

ain't that the truth..her brother, & cousin, & SIL...like they really had motive to hurt Haleigh...GMAB
...if pointing fingers at Crystal doesn't work, let's throw my whole family under the bus:rolleyes:

[Mel]

Hi Mel....good to see you!

All just supposition on my part but given that LE still seems to be focused on Misty....my guess is that she either left the kids alone that night and went out or had someone over to help her get "thru" the fight with Ron or sat at home with the kids, by herself, and got high or drunk.

I guess I have to take Ron at his word that he "keeps his enemy's closer" (until I hear otherwise) as the reason for his sticking up for her. I think he is afraid that if he doesn't she will run away or shut up and he will never know what happened.

IMO all of the players in this have "skeletons" and none of them have been 100% forthcoming about lifestyle etc.

This sad case is really in need of a hero that will step forward. :sad:

no doubt they all have skeletons, just like most people..

[panman]

Well they are saying no stranger abduction, who does that leave in your opinion.JMO

Someone on Crystals side, maybe?

[Justice4all]

Those poor innocent children. :crying:

no wonder Crystal doesn't have custody of Jr now.



jmho

[Lqqkout]

If I don't post links or proof then should it be considered opinion?
If I dont put a comment within quotation marks could it be viewed as an opinion? Or if I dont attach fact to my comment can it be considered an opinion?

No. When one posts that way, it is considered the poster believes it is
FACT and is then subject to question of proof..imo

[W_D_1]

Someone on Crystals side, maybe?


Chad wasn't on the not a suspect list and is someone who is not a stranger. :shrug:

[panman]

All I've seen are excuses.

About Crystals role in her first two kids lives? Correct IMO>

[Mel]

And at what point did she turn her phone back on? Its just sketchy at best-

jmo

she must have turned it on right before RC got home, or very shortly before...she states in the VA that she went to get her phone to call Ronald...never said if she got him or not....then at some point didn't Ron say when he got there, Misty was at the door, outside...i guess waiting on him?

[panman]

:thumbsup: we don't even know if or how much he would have spent toward his children.

But we do know mom spent nothing, correct?

[KatieLady]

no doubt they all have skeletons, just like most people..

Yep....but I have come to believe that theirs are even worse than my fairly complicated family :biggrin:

IMO Lots of covering for other unrelated things have come into play here. I feel really sorry for LE having to try and sort it all out.

[Mel]

The infamous blue van was parked at Tyler St., ( Tommy' and Leslie's home), although it belonged to Timmy and Chelsea's who, at the time, resided in Crescent City.

hey Panache:seeya:

i think Teresa got me straight on this...(can't remember if she posted a link, but i THINK she did)....the blue van was in Crescent City that night at Tommy's home.....if that isn't correct, i'd sure like to see another link, though lol

[dustyk]

But we do know mom spent nothing, correct?
That solves it The Mom spent nothing or the Didn't pay her child support Fairy took her. JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

That solves it The Mom spent nothing or the Didn't pay her child support Fairy took her. JMO

I wonder if Ron packed the kids food and clothes for their trip to moms every other weekend, do you think maybe he paid crystals gas too?>

[panman]

New poster here :smile: Just wanted to correct this statement.

The infamous blue van was parked at Timmy and Chelsea's home in Crescent City that night. It belonged to Tommy and Lyndsy. Timmy and Chelsea were borrowing it because their car was in a recent accident.
When Lydnsy got the van back she noticed the scratch and then called Chelsea to ask her about it. And then came the story of Chelsea stating that when she went to the driveway, the van was parked in a way she knew she did not park it the previous night (the night HaLeigh disappeared.)
Hope that helps to clear up some of the van confusion :smile:

Thank you for bringing that up. I do remember all the talk saying it was Misty who called. And I do remember the truth coming out about who actually made the call. But for some reason some still want to put the mistruths out there.
jmo

[Tracian]

Isn't it curious to anyone that Misty's side of the family is getting questioned? Isn't it possible that LE is focusing on Misty as either accidentally or on purpose hurting Haleigh, and inlisting either her family or friends to help cover it up?

[Justice4all]

That solves it The Mom spent nothing or the Didn't pay her child support Fairy took her. JMO

children have went missing and have been killed for a lot less child support then what Crystal owed.

i find it hateful and sad you would joke around about who took Haleigh.


MOO

[Mel]

Yep....but I have come to believe that theirs are even worse than my fairly complicated family :biggrin:

IMO Lots of covering for other unrelated things have come into play here. I feel really sorry for LE having to try and sort it all out.

lol....yeah, "fairly complicated" doesn't fit this group of people:tongueside:

i must assume, this will be a circumstantial evidence case, ultimately...even IF they find Haleigh's remains...(hate to use the word, but it is what it is, imo)

[Lqqkout]

I just wonder why Misty would lead them to a red rose, in the ground, and they are maintaining they think she is still alive, I mean does that leading them to a rose in the ground contradict that?

The red rose was so weird. I wonder what it was all about.

[Mel]

That solves it The Mom spent nothing or the Didn't pay her child support Fairy took her. JMO

DANG!...you solved the case, dusty:thumbup:

[Tracian]

I wonder if Ron packed the kids food and clothes for their trip to moms every other weekend, do you think maybe he paid crystals gas too?>

Why would Ron have to pack food to go to Crystals? I am sure Crystal would have food to feed the kids; Clothes, most likely.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Isn't it curious to anyone that Misty's side of the family is getting questioned? Isn't it possible that LE is focusing on Misty as either accidentally or on purpose hurting Haleigh, and inlisting either her family or friends to help cover it up?

I think LE is covering all bases again and about to swoop in and arrest Misty- Why would any of Mistys family want to hurt Haleigh? And why would any of them cover it up for her, aren't these people parents to young kids, like they are going to give up their lives with them for Misty, I just dont see it-

jmo

[Justice4all]

Isn't it curious to anyone that Misty's side of the family is getting questioned? Isn't it possible that LE is focusing on Misty as either accidentally or on purpose hurting Haleigh, and inlisting either her family or friends to help cover it up?

that's exactly what i think is going on.

[CFMom]

But we do know mom spent nothing, correct?

Children arent cheap and from the pictures I have seen of the children Ron dressed them very nicely.

[CFMom]

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369

Putnam County Florida - Live Audio Feeds

[KatieLady]

lol....yeah, "fairly complicated" doesn't fit this group of people:tongueside:

i must assume, this will be a circumstantial evidence case, ultimately...even IF they find Haleigh's remains...(hate to use the word, but it is what it is, imo)

Seems so Mel....since we have never heard a thing about any hard evidence. *sigh* So frustrating. She has to be somewhere!!!

[Mel]

Yes, but I may go broke or need rehab soon.

Because no one involved in this case seems to be FRANTIC I'm coming to the conclusion they believe she is no longer alive. No one has the sense of URGENCY, at least from my perspective.

yes, jammies....i also believe the family thinks Haleigh is deceased....i never felt/saw a sense of urgency, even before....jmo

[blue bird]

BUT mom was content it appears to let Ron and his teen have the kids with no fight what so ever on her part. What mother would be ok with her children being left in the care of the grown fathers 16 yr old LIVE in gf? She should have been supporting her children.

So...you question Crystal's judgement on "allowing" her children to live with their father and his teen gf/babysitter but not Ron's decision in having a teen girlfriend? She was the non-custodial parent, therefore has little say in their daily lives. Not sure about FL but in MN you can't get a court ordered atty for family court unless it is in regards to social services taking your kids.

She should have been supporting her children but he should have been thinking with his brain and not his hormones..IMO.

[CFMom]

Why would Ron have to pack food to go to Crystals? I am sure Crystal would have food to feed the kids; Clothes, most likely.

I hope she contributed something. She must of not any toys for them since she had to ask Misty for a toy.

[Tracian]

that's exactly what i think is going on.



The cell phone being turned off really bothers me; especially between the hours of 8pm and 3am.

[KatieLady]

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369

Putnam County Florida - Live Audio Feeds

Is there something going on? I can't get it to play

[CFMom]

So...you question Crystal's judgement on "allowing" her children to live with their father and his teen gf/babysitter but not Ron's decision in having a teen girlfriend? She was the non-custodial parent, therefore has little say in their daily lives. Not sure about FL but in MN you can't get a court ordered atty for family court unless it is in regards to social services taking your kids.

She should have been supporting her children but he should have been thinking with his brain and not his hormones..IMO.

Ron was WRONG to be living with a 16 yr old. Crystal was WRONG for not turning that in. She didnt in MY OPINION because it was easy to let someone else worry with the kids...she was an every other weekend mom.

[CFMom]

Is there something going on? I can't get it to play

Click on the yellow county..and Yes I hear talking but I'm unsure of whats going on. I got the link from Twitter where they are discussing a blue barrel..not sure what is happening.

posted on twitter no clue if its about this case but I hope it is as the poster there is following this cazse:

Not sure what field contact means.... Officer I think has found blue barrel but distraction made me miss some of transaction communicated

[Mel]

Amen-

So I am reading a couple in Mass was questioned and its more than likely Mistys brother and sister?

ah, ok....this makes sense...they've just recently been interviewed again?

[aproudmom]

:sad:Poor Crystal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLj9Amio7EY

With all due respect I can not understand anything other than some horrible cussing..can you explain what this is or what it has to do with Haleigh TIA:confused:

[seeker]

My interpretation on reading the court documents was that the judge thought no such thing, that Chrystal was beaten down. Respectfully that is your opinion. I feel simply the judge determined Ron to be the more responsible, therefore the better parent and ruled accordingly. imo Also, I might add Chrystal offered exactly the same childcare situation.

As respectfully as possible, Lqqkout,

I completely disagree with your reading and interpretations of the court proceedings. And of Ronald L. Cummings and Crystal Sheffield.

I am also taking into account the whole aspect of Family Law and the knowledge and experience that those in this field, including Judges have regarding the dynamics of different families and the prevalence of Domestic Violence and Abuse.

No where does this judge indicate that he thought Ronald was "the more responsible, therefore the better parent." (quote by Lqqkout)

My thoughts on this. It is not worth continuing in this vein as we obviously hold completely different views.

I say it matters because now HaLeigh has been LOST while under the care of this ( according to your words in previous post) "responsible" and "better parent;" one Ronald L. Cummings.

My very strong opinion.

[FrankieBones1]

New poster here :smile: Just wanted to correct this statement.

The infamous blue van was parked at Timmy and Chelsea's home in Crescent City that night. It belonged to Tommy and Lyndsy. Timmy and Chelsea were borrowing it because their car was in a recent accident.
When Lydnsy got the van back she noticed the scratch and then called Chelsea to ask her about it. And then came the story of Chelsea stating that when she went to the driveway, the van was parked in a way she knew she did not park it the previous night (the night HaLeigh disappeared.)
Hope that helps to clear up some of the van confusion :smile:Thanks for clearing that up for some. I thought most folks new this already since we had gone over it so much earlier on.

Welcome to the board. :smile:

[jammies]

yes, jammies....i also believe the family thinks Haleigh is deceased....i never felt/saw a sense of urgency, even before....jmo


Going with that theory....wonder what makes them think she's deceased? The fact that's it's "not a stranger" would give me hope that someone is caring for her.


???

[Viva4Haleigh]

ah, ok....this makes sense...they've just recently been interviewed again?

Its all speculation I think at this point- but I think its them-

jmo

[CFMom]

As respectfully as possible, Lqqkout,

I completely disagree with your reading and interpretations of the court proceedings. And of Ronald L. Cummings and Crystal Sheffield.

I am also taking into account the whole aspect of Family Law and the knowledge and experience that those in this field, including Judges have regarding the dynamics of different families and the prevalence of Domestic Violence and Abuse.

No where does this judge indicate that he thought Ronald was "the more responsible, therefore the better parent." (quote by Lqqkout)

My thoughts on this. It is not worth continuing in this vein as we obviously hold completely different views.

I say it matters because now HaLeigh has been LOST while under the care of this ( according to your words in previous post) "responsible" and "better parent;" one Ronald L. Cummings.

My very strong opinion.





Many children go missing,..doesnt make the parents irresponsible or not loving.

[Lqqkout]

Ron was WRONG to be living with a 16 yr old. Crystal was WRONG for not turning that in. She didnt in MY OPINION because it was easy to let someone else worry with the kids...she was an every other weekend mom.

Yes, they were BOTH in the wrong. But I still have to give more of a break to Ron because he was entirely responsible for his 2 children and HAD to do something to provide their care.

[KatieLady]

Click on the yellow county..and Yes I hear talking but I'm unsure of whats going on. I got the link from Twitter where they are discussing a blue barrel..not sure what is happening.

posted on twitter no clue if its about this case but I hope it is as the poster there is following this cazse:

Not sure what field contact means.... Officer I think has found blue barrel but distraction made me miss some of transaction communicated

Shoot! It still won't work for me...must be my computer. Keep me posted please!

[FrankieBones1]

Someone on Crystals side, maybe?
Anything is possible in this case. Could have been a relative that Misty didn't know at the time. The relative arrives with an acquaintance of Misty, someone spikes Misty's drink and she's out like a light for a few hours. Stranger things have happened.
In my humble opinion of course.

[CFMom]

Shoot! It still won't work for me...must be my computer. Keep me posted please!

Once you click the yellow county you have to click the player where it says putnam county sheriffs to get it to play

[aproudmom]

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369

Putnam County Florida - Live Audio Feeds

I am guessing this is the police scanner? sounds like the codes are not the same here..

[CFMom]

I am guessing this is the police scanner? sounds like the codes are not the same here..

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?action=codes&code_id=601

[Mel]

I thought it was Michigan also, but from the article "last night", I think it is Massachusetts and that's where Chelsea's family is.

hey titan:seeya:

ok, so are these people interviewed, from MA or MI

[KatieLady]

Once you click the yellow county you have to click the player where it says putnam county sheriffs to get it to play

I did but I get a runtime error (whatever that is lol) and it freezes up the page

[CFMom]

I did but I get a runtime error (whatever that is lol) and it freezes up the page

Its working for me...I need to print the codes out because I'm clueless

[KatieLady]

hey titan:seeya:

Ok, so are these people interviewed, from ma or mi

ma........

[Tracian]

I think LE is covering all bases again and about to swoop in and arrest Misty- Why would any of Mistys family want to hurt Haleigh? And why would any of them cover it up for her, aren't these people parents to young kids, like they are going to give up their lives with them for Misty, I just dont see it-

jmo



I didn't say that Misty's family hurt Haleigh, I am saying they may be helping Misty cover something she did up.

Some have been willing to say that TN and AS are covering up for Ron; but some how it is impossible for Misty's family to cover something up for her?

Misty's own admission, in a dream like state, she says 'four people' could have been in the house..Misty's cell was turned off for hours; and now LE is questioning Misty's family. Why? What could they know about that night? We do know that the van belonged to Misty's family, we also know a red truck belonged to Misty's family, and was sold after Haleigh's abduction.

Why is it so impossible that Misty did have people at the house, either Haleigh took something, or saw something, resulted in her death, and the Croslin's came to the aid of Misty?

If it is possible that TN and AS would cover up the murder of their own granddaughter/greatgranddaughter...why is it so impossible that the Croslins would not cover up the crime of a non-blood relation to protect Misty?

[aproudmom]

Once you click the yellow county you have to click the player where it says putnam county sheriffs to get it to play

10-4 it is working for me...lol..they are at smileys store and some church I did catch that one..I have heard every name but anyone in the family so far

[FrankieBones1]

Is there something going on? I can't get it to play

Hi, Katie. Are you using Windows Media player? If so, you should be able to hear it. Scroll down the page from the link until you see a green box. To the left of that you'll see a speaker icon. Click on that.

[CFMom]

10-4 it is working for me...lol..they are at smileys store and some church I did catch that one..I have heard every name but anyone in the family so far

Did you get the codes I linked you to?

[SilentSanity]

Thanks for clearing that up for some. I thought most folks new this already since we had gone over it so much earlier on.

Welcome to the board. :smile:

Thanks for the welcome!!

It doesn't help that in certain news reports, the media can't even get the details straight lol. I am a stickler for the details, so I can't help but correct misinformation when I see it :smile:

[Mel]

Misty has posted often on her myspace that her original origin was in Michigan. FWITW.

you're right, i forgot about that

[CFMom]

Hi, Katie. Are you using Windows Media player? If so, you should be able to hear it. Scroll down the page from the link until you see a green box. To the left of that you'll see a speaker icon. Click on that.

Ty for helping.

[panman]

Isn't it curious to anyone that Misty's side of the family is getting questioned? Isn't it possible that LE is focusing on Misty as either accidentally or on purpose hurting Haleigh, and inlisting either her family or friends to help cover it up?

I sure wished they had been questioned in the beginning and since LE is closed mouthed maybe they did. Yes I am curious and waiting for truth to come out. I was also curious when what was it, 5 months, and they dig up a dead horse on the Griffis property.
jmo

[Tracian]

ah, ok....this makes sense...they've just recently been interviewed again?




http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d5-Cape-Cod-couple-questioned-in-HaLeigh-Cummings-case


The article is dated Sept. 5th.

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.bloggernews.net/122140

[CFMom]

No one is talking about every other missing child, were talking about this missing child.

OKies...doesnt make Ron irresponsible or not loving because his daughter is misisng UNLESS you have PROOF hes guilty????

[Viva4Haleigh]

OKies...doesnt make Ron irresponsible or not loving because his daughter is misisng UNLESS you have PROOF hes guilty????

Even if he is guilty it does not mean he didn't love her.:rolleyes:

[KatieLady]

Hi, Katie. Are you using Windows Media player? If so, you should be able to hear it. Scroll down the page from the link until you see a green box. To the left of that you'll see a speaker icon. Click on that.

That worked! TY Frankie :wub: