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Happy Weekend Thread. RIP Michael


How bout we start with his record breaking humanitarian work.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/09/04/2009-09-04_michael_jacksons_children_paris_and_prince_pay_ tribute_to_king_of_pop_by_laying_.html

By Nancy Dillon
DAILY NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF

Updated Friday, September 4th 2009, 9:18 PM

Michael Jackson's casket was topped with a jeweled crown by his children Prince and Paris during his burial service at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, Calif.

GLENDALE, Calif. - Michael Jackson's little girl stole hearts again at her father's funeral.

Paris Jackson moved the crowd to tears Thursday night when she approached her father's casket for the last time, carrying a bejeweled crown.

The 11-year-old wasn't quite tall enough to place it atop a thick spray of white lilies covering the gleaming gold vessel that held the remains of the King of Pop.

So her older brother Prince Michael, 12, helped position it just right.

Much like Paris' remarks at her father's public memorial in July, the gesture was apparently spontaneous.

"I was told at the last minute by Randy [Jackson] that this was going to happen," Pastor Lucious Smith told the Daily News.

"It was like an energy just came up. It was incredibly touching."

The Rev. Al Sharpton said he told the children "they crowned their father for all eternity."

The touching moment was among the details of the private, celebrity-filled gathering that were revealed Friday.

Smith, pastor of Friendship Baptist Church in Pasadena, told the Daily News he read Ecclesiastes 3:7 and reminded attendees that "we don't know when our last day will be, and we need to love and treat each other right."

Patriarch Joe Jackson and nephew Taj Jackson, 36, addressed the crowd of 250 mourners during the muggy outdoor service under a full moon tinged dark orange by wildfires in the distance.

Sharpton delivered the eulogy to guests - including Elizabeth Taylor in a wheelchair, Jackson's ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley, music moguls Quincy Jones and Berry Gordy and actors Macaulay Culkin, Corey Feldman and Chris Tucker.

"I talked about how it's always harder traveling from east to west because you face a headwind," Sharpton told The News.

"Michael, coming from Gary, Ind., always had to battle headwinds - face some accusation. But he landed well."

Legendary singer Gladys Knight "sang her heart out" with a rendition of the hymn "His Eye is on the Sparrow," Sharpton said. Songwriter Clifton Davis sang The Jackson 5 song "Never Can Say Goodbye," which he wrote for the group.

After the ceremony, the Jackson brothers carried Michael's casket into The Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn Memorial Park, a statement from the family said.

As guests filed in, Michael's grief-stricken mother wept openly, sources said.

One attendee said Katherine Jackson was so overcome by sorrow, she turned back when she was faced with her son's final resting place.

Knight sang "Our Father" (The Lord's Prayer) as Jackson's body was committed to his high-security crypt in the mausoleum's Holly Terrace section.

"Everyone was teary-eyed," Sharpton said.

Afterward, some of the mourners gathered at the Pasadena restaurant Villa Sorriso for what TMZ called an "after-party."

Music by Frank Sinatra and other Rat Pack members played all night and the classic "Casablanca" was projected onto the walls.

TMZ reported that cameras captured much of the dinner to be used in an A&E special and a DVD.

Sister LaToya Jackson asked fans Friday to donate to the charities that her brother supported.

"Michael has been called home to sing with the angels, I will miss him dearly," she told "Access Hollywood."



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TFS GB

From what I saw it was a beautiful and tasteful service. Very peaceful and dignified. Just what Michael deserves.

Casablanca is my all time favorite movie. Michael will be resting near Humphrey Bogart too.

RIP Michael :rose:

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His humanitarian work can never be questioned.
I am so glad it will continue well after his death.

What a wonderful and giving person he was. I know his children are so proud of him.

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TFS Nic
I love that song so much.
Just beautiful as only Michael could do.

:rose:

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Randy Jackson: Don't Air Footage of MJ's Funeral

Posted Sep 4th 2009 9:27PM by TMZ Staff

Randy Jackson is furious footage of Michael's funeral at Forest Lawn is being broadcast all over the world, saying it was a private event and not meant for the public to see.

Jackson just released a scathing statement condemning those who violated the no-fly zone over Forest Lawn last night -- asking all media organizations to refrain from airing any more footage of the event.

Here's Randy's full statement:

"As a family, we are all aware of how Michael's life, and his death, touched so many around the world. It is why we held a public memorial in my brother's honor.

And it is the reason we chose to release a small amount of footage leading up to yesterday's ceremony at Forest Lawn.

I was dismayed last night and again today at the coverage I saw on television of our ceremony for Michael. We had asked the media to respect the privacy and the sanctity of this event; to give us one moment of privacy to mourn as a family out of the public spotlight.

Unfortunately, despite a no-fly zone around Forest Lawn, many media organizations decided to ignore our wishes. They employed helicopters that not only surreptitiously recorded our private family ceremony, but also severely disrupted it.

I therefore ask today that media organizations airing helicopter footage of the ceremony we held for my brother immediately pull that footage from their air and refrain from airing it in the future."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QCKDHk2u

[Cindylee]

I think it might be a good idea to have two MJ threads for the weekend.

[Cindylee]

Because I don't want to bring anything negative to the other thread......I am bringing this over here.
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Randy Jackson: Don't Air Footage of MJ's Funeral

Posted Sep 4th 2009 9:27PM by TMZ Staff

Randy Jackson is furious footage of Michael's funeral at Forest Lawn is being broadcast all over the world, saying it was a private event and not meant for the public to see.

Jackson just released a scathing statement condemning those who violated the no-fly zone over Forest Lawn last night -- asking all media organizations to refrain from airing any more footage of the event.

Here's Randy's full statement:

"As a family, we are all aware of how Michael's life, and his death, touched so many around the world. It is why we held a public memorial in my brother's honor.

And it is the reason we chose to release a small amount of footage leading up to yesterday's ceremony at Forest Lawn.

I was dismayed last night and again today at the coverage I saw on television of our ceremony for Michael. We had asked the media to respect the privacy and the sanctity of this event; to give us one moment of privacy to mourn as a family out of the public spotlight.

Unfortunately, despite a no-fly zone around Forest Lawn, many media organizations decided to ignore our wishes. They employed helicopters that not only surreptitiously recorded our private family ceremony, but also severely disrupted it.

I therefore ask today that media organizations airing helicopter footage of the ceremony we held for my brother immediately pull that footage from their air and refrain from airing it in the future."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QCKDHk2u

My response:

I think they could have anticipated this. When you announce a pivate funeral for a famous person, the paps and helicopters will show up. I can't imagine that Forest Lawn didn't have an inside location that would have been beautiful for the service.

[Hanalei]

Oh Randy is just pizzed because A&E is probably won't give them the money now if the funeral it going to be shown before they show it.:laugh:


I find it funny how everyone saying Michael was "murdered" I don't think so he brought this on himself and he hired the doctor to take care of him and to shoot him up nightly with a drug that Michael knew could kill him. The doctor should get his licensed revoked but to call the doc a murderer like the doctor planned on killing Michael.:confused:

[Hanalei]

Yes all of them but Janet and Ruby. The rest of them are just living off MJ image because they don't have what it takes to make it on their own. I would respect them more if they did their own thing. And I bet Katherine feels guilty for MJ's drug habit because she allowed MJ to be abused by Joe and she didn't do anything to stop it. And she's still married to the abuser....she's crazy IMO!


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yep and we all know how money hungry the jacksons r. imo

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Randy Jackson: Don't Air Footage of MJ's Funeral

Posted Sep 4th 2009 9:27PM by TMZ Staff

Randy Jackson is furious footage of Michael's funeral at Forest Lawn is being broadcast all over the world, saying it was a private event and not meant for the public to see.

Jackson just released a scathing statement condemning those who violated the no-fly zone over Forest Lawn last night -- asking all media organizations to refrain from airing any more footage of the event.

Here's Randy's full statement:

"As a family, we are all aware of how Michael's life, and his death, touched so many around the world. It is why we held a public memorial in my brother's honor.

And it is the reason we chose to release a small amount of footage leading up to yesterday's ceremony at Forest Lawn.

I was dismayed last night and again today at the coverage I saw on television of our ceremony for Michael. We had asked the media to respect the privacy and the sanctity of this event; to give us one moment of privacy to mourn as a family out of the public spotlight.

Unfortunately, despite a no-fly zone around Forest Lawn, many media organizations decided to ignore our wishes. They employed helicopters that not only surreptitiously recorded our private family ceremony, but also severely disrupted it.

I therefore ask today that media organizations airing helicopter footage of the ceremony we held for my brother immediately pull that footage from their air and refrain from airing it in the future."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QCKDHk2u

My response:

I think they could have anticipated this. When you announce a pivate funeral for a famous person, the paps and helicopters will show up. I can't imagine that Forest Lawn didn't have an inside location that would have been beautiful for the service.

Exactly! Over 400 media credentials were issued to reporters and film crews.....what did they expect?

[Zenyatta]

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Yeah Randy is mad caused they want what was already aired for their reality show. They, themselves, made it a circus. imo

B*I*N*G*O, Buzzzzzz. Beside TMZ (who has been 99% right on everything Jackson), respected AP reporter Linda Deutsch also reported the possibility that the funeral was being filmed for use in the Jackson documentary or the brothers' upcoming reality show.

[Cindylee]

Exactly! Over 400 media credentials were issued to reporters and film crews.....what did they expect?

Exactly. So, as others have posted, Randy is mad that some got more footage than they wanted them too. They should have been indoors if they wanted private, and it would have also been much cooler and less smokey for the guests. IMO

[Imperfect4]

Exactly. So, as others have posted, Randy is mad that some got more footage than they wanted them too. They should have been indoors if they wanted private, and it would have also been much cooler and less smokey for the guests. IMO

Several members of the family creep me out. Deviousness and manipulation seems to hide behind very serious, soft-spoken exteriors.

[Hanalei]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/bal-jackson-realityshow-0826,0,7967962.story

So MJ's kids won't be on the show then who's going to watch the greedy Jackson Bros with limited talent? IMO

I would only watch if the kids were going to be on.

[Cindylee]

Several members of the family creep me out. Deviousness and manipulation seems to hide behind very serious, soft-spoken exteriors.

I don't really know much about the family. Joe made me sick at the award show. That is the first time I saw what I think he is about. The others I am just figuring out now. I think I got taken in by Jermaine with his interviews at Neverland, I am really re thinking my take on him. I am seeing $$$$$ signs from the lot of them. We'll see how it goes.

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Randy Jackson: Don't Air Footage of MJ's Funeral

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Here's Randy's full statement:

"As a family, we are all aware of how Michael's life, and his death, touched so many around the world. It is why we held a public memorial in my brother's honor.

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HUH?????????????????????:scared::blush::blink:

THEY provide close-ups, including of the children (poor Blanket had to cover his face with a program so the camera would not show his expression) and it's the media's fault???????????

[Imperfect4]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/bal-jackson-realityshow-0826,0,7967962.story

So MJ's kids won't be on the show then who's going to watch the greedy Jackson Bros with limited talent? IMO

I would only watch if the kids were going to be on.

The draw for reality shows, imo, is viewers get to watch the reality "stars" acting like their real selves, warts and all.

I honestly don't think the Jacksons are capable of acting their "real selves" for public consumption. They're too secretive and calculating, imo.

[Zenyatta]

I don't really know much about the family. Joe made me sick at the award show. That is the first time I saw what I think he is about. The others I am just figuring out now. I think I got taken in by Jermaine with his interviews at Neverland, I am really re thinking my take on him. I am seeing $$$$$ signs from the lot of them. We'll see how it goes.

Same here. My opinion of Jermaine changed with the Larry King interview where he touted his "charity." (The one that bears the same name as an already established charity that he has absolutely no connection with).

[daniel green]

Exactly! Over 400 media credentials were issued to reporters and film crews.....what did they expect?

Oh, for the love of pete. How sickening.

THEY set up that service as a set on a reality show. With boom mics, overhead lighting, mics, makeup, the whole 9 yards. To make money off it by showing it on the reality show on A&E and/or selling the footage.

THEY provided the live feed with close ups of all the guests and the family, including the children.

And now they are upset because it was not only THEIR exclusive shots of the event????????????

I therefore ask today that media organizations airing helicopter footage of the ceremony we held for my brother immediately pull that footage from their air and refrain from airing it in the future."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QCYi43W0

Anderson Cooper last night and TVGN said that they had cleared the airspace not for security and privacy as we'd thought before, but so that no competition would have the video and photographs.

[Zenyatta]

HUH?????????????????????:scared::blush::blink:

THEY provide close-ups, including of the children (poor Blanket had to cover his face with a program so the camera would not show his expression) and it's the media's fault???????????

I'm beginning to think it's always someone else's fault.

[Imperfect4]

I don't really know much about the family. Joe made me sick at the award show. That is the first time I saw what I think he is about. The others I am just figuring out now. I think I got taken in by Jermaine with his interviews at Neverland, I am really re thinking my take on him. I am seeing $$$$$ signs from the lot of them. We'll see how it goes.

It seems to me from all I've read, the only long-term, consistently successful Jacksons were/are Michael and Janet. The rest seem to want to scheme their way into (or back into) the public eye by whatever means possible, and that means for the brothers, at least, was Michael. I find that extremely distasteful. Get your own thing going, fellas. You're no longer the Jackson 5. Move on, grow up, become successful in your own right.

[daniel green]

I don't really know much about the family. Joe made me sick at the award show. That is the first time I saw what I think he is about. The others I am just figuring out now. I think I got taken in by Jermaine with his interviews at Neverland, I am really re thinking my take on him. I am seeing $$$$$ signs from the lot of them. We'll see how it goes.

That's all it is.

And what a nasty sight it is. And has been.

BLECH.

Poor children.

[Zenyatta]

Exactly. So, as others have posted, Randy is mad that some got more footage than they wanted them too. They should have been indoors if they wanted private, and it would have also been much cooler and less smokey for the guests. IMO

I agree.

I'm still stunned over the "dress rehearsal". I've never heard of such a thing. Do you think they did that to obtain more footage for their projects?

Why else would put an obviously and justifiably exhausted Katherine through it?

[daniel green]

I'm beginning to think it's always someone else's fault.

That line for VictimEST gets mighty long, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

[Zenyatta]

It seems to me from all I've read, the only long-term, consistently successful Jacksons were/are Michael and Janet. The rest seem to want to scheme their way into (or back into) the public eye by whatever means possible, and that means for the brothers, at least, was Michael. I find that extremely distasteful. Get your own thing going, fellas. You're no longer the Jackson 5. Move on, grow up, become successful in your own right.

(my bold)

Yes! and in doing so, set a good example for your own children so that they don't harbor expectations and perpetuate the cycle of living off someone else for the rest of their lives.

[daniel green]

There were cameras shooting everything at the after-party for Michael Jackson's burial -- and we're told the whole thing could end up on A&E.Sources tell TMZ footage from inside the party -- as well as the funeral itself -- will be used for an A&E special, plus a DVD at a later date. Don't expect to see Joe or Katherine Jackson, Michael's three children or Elizabeth Taylor in the footage though -- we're told none of them went to the restaurant after the burial. A few other random tidbits about the affair: Rat Pack music played all night, "Casablanca" was projected onto the walls, the brothers talked about a reunion tour -- and Janet seemed the most grief stricken of the group

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/04/michael-jackson-burial-party-tv-cameras/#ixzz0QCalgqQ7

[Cindylee]

I agree.

I'm still stunned over the "dress rehearsal". I've never heard of such a thing. Do you think they did that to obtain more footage for their projects?

Why else would put an obviously and justifiably exhausted Katherine through it?

I am just thinking.......there was already a huge memorial service, what was the point of this second one. Rehearsal and all, if not to put it out there for money. I am a little skeptical at this point that they just wanted a private service to bury their son, brother, father, etc.

[daniel green]

I therefore ask today that media organizations airing helicopter footage of the ceremony we held for my brother immediately pull that footage from their air and refrain from airing it in the future."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QCbC9EW0

Unfreakingbelievable.

Quite literally making a buck off their deceased brother.

And how ridiculous is this statement and how money-hungry.

[Zenyatta]

Oh, for the love of pete. How sickening.

THEY set up that service as a set on a reality show. With boom mics, overhead lighting, mics, makeup, the whole 9 yards. To make money off it by showing it on the reality show on A&E and/or selling the footage.

THEY provided the live feed with close ups of all the guests and the family, including the children.

And now they are upset because it was not only THEIR exclusive shots of the event????????????

."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QCYi43W0

Anderson Cooper last night and TVGN said that they had cleared the airspace not for security and privacy as we'd thought before, but so that no competition would have the video and photographs.

Here's a question for you and/or anyone who watched last night's event.

I was switching back and forth between CNN and TVGN. I thought I heard one of the commentators report that guests at the funeral were asked to sign publicity releases. Did anyone else hear this?

It's been reported those who won tickets for memorial #1 had to sign releases, so they could have been referring to that.

Anyone? I'm sure that others have probably attended funerals where dress rehearsals, blimp lights, boom cameras, and signed releases are the norm, but I sure haven't. :laugh:

[Zenyatta]

I am just thinking.......there was already a huge memorial service, what was the point of this second one. Rehearsal and all, if not to put it out there for money. I am a little skeptical at this point that they just wanted a private service to bury their son, brother, father, etc.

If that was what they consider private, I wonder what their idea of public is?

If they eventually move Michael to a private garden where other family members will be buried (the 12 plots purchased), will there be another "private" service?

[Imperfect4]

I am just thinking.......there was already a huge memorial service, what was the point of this second one. Rehearsal and all, if not to put it out there for money. I am a little skeptical at this point that they just wanted a private service to bury their son, brother, father, etc.

Imo, they wanted to say "A" and do "B" ... without anyone noticing. Oops.

[Zenyatta]

Imo, they wanted to say "A" and do "B" ... without anyone noticing. Oops.

...and reserve the right to complain that they were done wrong when someone else did "C".

[Cindylee]

Here's a question for you and/or anyone who watched last night's event.

I was switching back and forth between CNN and TVGN. I thought I heard one of the commentators report that guests at the funeral were asked to sign publicity releases. Did anyone else hear this?

It's been reported those who won tickets for memorial #1 had to sign releases, so they could have been referring to that.

Anyone? I'm sure that others have probably attended funerals where dress rehearsals, blimp lights, boom cameras, and signed releases are the norm, but I sure haven't. :laugh:

The only thing that I can remember of something like that was Dannielynn's (sp) first birthday party. People had to sign something, if I remember right, and had to turn in their cell phones.

[Cindylee]

If that was what they consider private, I wonder what their idea of public is?

If they eventually move Michael to a private garden where other family members will be buried (the 12 plots purchased), will there be another "private" service?

Oh geez, I hope not. :ohmy:

[Imperfect4]

...and reserve the right to complain that they were done wrong when someone else did "C".

Clueless AND entitled. Not a good combination.

[Zenyatta]

Anything Jackson Daniel, lights, camera, action, cha ching cha ching, let the register ring.

The California State Fair has an interesting promotion. They've giving away free rides on one of Jackson's Neverland rides to the first X number of customers.

I wish WickedEyeBal was here to comment on that :laugh:

[Zenyatta]

Clueless AND entitled. Not a good combination.

Did you notice the armbands the Jackson brothers were sporting last night? They had gold crowns embroided on them. Perhaps paying homage to one of MJ's favorite icons, but I can't help but also think of it in the context of their descendants bearing names such as "Jermajesty" and "Royalty."

[Cindylee]

The California State Fair has an interesting promotion. They've giving away free rides on one of Jackson's Neverland rides to the first X number of customers.

I wish WickedEyeBal was here to comment on that :laugh:

I thought you were joking so I looked it up. Yikes. Everyone is cashing in.

http://www.bigfun.org/ExhibitsAttractions/MagnificentMidway.asp

[Zenyatta]

The only thing that I can remember of something like that was Dannielynn's (sp) first birthday party. People had to sign something, if I remember right, and had to turn in their cell phones.

Well, we know they didn't turn in their cell phones last night, because it was reported that Rev. Al Sharpton was tweeting from his.

[Cindylee]

Did you notice the armbands the Jackson brothers were sporting last night? They had gold crowns embroided on them. Perhaps paying homage to one of MJ's favorite icons, but I can't help but also think of it in the context of their descendants bearing names such as "Jermajesty" and "Royalty."

There are a lot of egos in the Jackson family. I would love to be that kid when the teacher is taking roll.

[Cindylee]

Well, we know they didn't turn in their cell phones last night, because it was reported that Rev. Al Sharpton was tweeting from his. That is true. There are probably a lot of pictures out there.

[Zenyatta]

I thought you were joking so I looked it up. Yikes. Everyone is cashing in.

http://www.bigfun.org/ExhibitsAttractions/MagnificentMidway.asp

Cindylee, I couldn't make that up if I tried.

[Cindylee]

Cindylee, I couldn't make that up if I tried.

:lol::lol: I guess not.

[Zenyatta]

There are a lot of egos in the Jackson family. I would love to be that kid when the teacher is taking roll.

Of course, if they're in elite private schools, they may be sitting next to the likes of Apple Paltrow-Martin, Peaches Geldorf, or Moon Unit Zappa. (poor kids).

Wouldn't the Jackson reality show be a lot more intriguing if they dropped them off on an island, Survivor-style, and had them vote someone off each week?

[Cindylee]

Of course, if they're in elite private schools, they may be sitting next to the likes of Apple Paltrow-Martin, Peaches Geldorf, or Moon Unit Zappa. (poor kids).

Wouldn't the Jackson reality show be a lot more intriguing if they dropped them off on an island, Survivor-style, and had them vote someone off each week?

You are making me laugh tonight. :laugh::laugh:

Can you imagine that show? They would do each other in I think.

[Zenyatta]

You are making me laugh tonight. :laugh::laugh:

Can you imagine that show? They would do each other in I think.

Which would lead to more funerals/memorials/interments/reality shows.
Perish the thought.

[Hanalei]

Now that's a reality show I would love to watch lol! I don't think La Toya would last a day on an island.


Of course, if they're in elite private schools, they may be sitting next to the likes of Apple Paltrow-Martin, Peaches Geldorf, or Moon Unit Zappa. (poor kids).

Wouldn't the Jackson reality show be a lot more intriguing if they dropped them off on an island, Survivor-style, and had them vote someone off each week?

[Cindylee]

Which would lead to more funerals/memorials/interments/reality shows.
Perish the thought.

Oh my. It is best they are doing it this way. The island is a bad idea. :wink:

[Hanalei]

Opps I put Ruby I forgot her name was Rebbie we never hear anything about her so I forgot how to spell her name.


Maureen Reillette "Rebbie" Brown (née Jackson), professionally known as Rebbie Jackson, (born May 29, 1950 in Gary, Indiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary,_Indiana)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) singer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer), best known as the oldest child of the successful Jackson family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jacksons_(musical_family)). As a singer, Rebbie is most famous for the 1984 hit "Centipede (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centipede_(song))".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebbie_Jackson

[Cindylee]

Now that's a reality show I would love to watch lol! I don't think La Toya would last a day on an island.

Ha, It would be an interesting show....but not a good idea.:laugh:

[Zenyatta]

Now that's a reality show I would love to watch lol! I don't think La Toya would last a day on an island.

Hi Hanalei,

I think the thread alone generated by any show of that nature would probably cause IS to implode. And that's all I'm gonna say about that....

Goodnight, everyone. Thanks for starting this separate thread, Cindylee. 'twas a very good idea.

[Hanalei]

I'm just waiting for some network to announce one of the Jackson brothers doing a dating reality show like Flavor of Love lol!

[Cindylee]

Hi Hanalei,

I think the thread alone generated by any show of that nature would probably cause IS to implode. And that's all I'm gonna say about that....

Goodnight, everyone. Thanks for starting this separate thread, Cindylee. 'twas a very good idea.

:seeya: Night, and you are welcome. :wink:

[daniel green]

Here's a question for you and/or anyone who watched last night's event.

I was switching back and forth between CNN and TVGN. I thought I heard one of the commentators report that guests at the funeral were asked to sign publicity releases. Did anyone else hear this?

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I did. And posted about it last night, if only a couple words.

How strange was that? They had to sign releases because their images would be used in a reality show.

[Hanalei]

Hi there Zenyatta

Maybe they should do a reality show like Big Brother that would be interesting to watch:laugh:


Hi Hanalei,

I think the thread alone generated by any show of that nature would probably cause IS to implode. And that's all I'm gonna say about that....

Goodnight, everyone. Thanks for starting this separate thread, Cindylee. 'twas a very good idea.

[Cindylee]

I just waiting for some network to announce one of the Jackson brothers doing a dating reality show like Flavor of Love lol!

It could happen.

[Hanalei]

Good night! And it's nice to have our own thread I to post on


Hi Hanalei,

I think the thread alone generated by any show of that nature would probably cause IS to implode. And that's all I'm gonna say about that....

Goodnight, everyone. Thanks for starting this separate thread, Cindylee. 'twas a very good idea.

[Cindylee]

Well Ladies and Germs as Henny Youngman used to say, Good Night and Goodbye. Time for LoneWolf to take leave of this board. Not that anyone cares but I have to expound my literary genius in other areas. LOLOLOL :laugh:

:lol::seeya: night all.

[Hanalei]

Good night!

Well Ladies and Germs as Henny Youngman used to say, Good Night and Goodbye. Time for LoneWolf to take leave of this board. Not that anyone cares but I have to expound my literary genius in other areas. LOLOLOL :laugh:

[Hanalei]

I'm really surprised that Jesse J wasn't there last night...I wonder if it was because old AL was there and he didn't want to share the spotlight with him.

[Unperson1984]

I have a question, who established the funeral as a no fly zone? I thought only the FAA could declare no fly zones.

I read that several attorneys attended the funeral, but I saw no mention of John Branca. Does anyone know if he was there?

[Cindylee]

I'm really surprised that Jesse J wasn't there last night...I wonder if it was because old AL was there and he didn't want to share the spotlight with him.

I think there were some problems between the two at the last memorial.

[daniel green]

I have a question, who established the funeral as a no fly zone? I thought only the FAA could declare no fly zones.

snipped

Good question. I have no idea.

[Eagleeye]

Good question. I have no idea.

Local LE can request a no fly zone from the FAA for security and other reasons. If granted they will inform Air Traffic Control Center to keep all aircraft out of a designated area below a certain altitude for a designated period of time.

[Hanalei]

Sorry but MJ is not as important as the president he was an entertainer not even in the same class as the president of the US.:glare:

So much for the no fly zone for MJ the press helicopters still got footage of the funeral from above.


They do it for the President, and Michael Jackson.


Hi there Eagleeye!
:wink:

[Lainey]

I so appreciate a thread about the good things about Michael. :rose:

[veracruz]

No, I don't believe there was.

MOO

Yes. There were.

moo

[Emerald]

Because I don't want to bring anything negative to the other thread......I am bringing this over here.
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Randy Jackson: Don't Air Footage of MJ's Funeral

Posted Sep 4th 2009 9:27PM by TMZ Staff

Randy Jackson is furious footage of Michael's funeral at Forest Lawn is being broadcast all over the world, saying it was a private event and not meant for the public to see.

Jackson just released a scathing statement condemning those who violated the no-fly zone over Forest Lawn last night -- asking all media organizations to refrain from airing any more footage of the event.

Here's Randy's full statement:

"As a family, we are all aware of how Michael's life, and his death, touched so many around the world. It is why we held a public memorial in my brother's honor.

And it is the reason we chose to release a small amount of footage leading up to yesterday's ceremony at Forest Lawn.

I was dismayed last night and again today at the coverage I saw on television of our ceremony for Michael. We had asked the media to respect the privacy and the sanctity of this event; to give us one moment of privacy to mourn as a family out of the public spotlight.

Unfortunately, despite a no-fly zone around Forest Lawn, many media organizations decided to ignore our wishes. They employed helicopters that not only surreptitiously recorded our private family ceremony, but also severely disrupted it.

I therefore ask today that media organizations airing helicopter footage of the ceremony we held for my brother immediately pull that footage from their air and refrain from airing it in the future."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QCKDHk2u

My response:

I think they could have anticipated this. When you announce a pivate funeral for a famous person, the paps and helicopters will show up. I can't imagine that Forest Lawn didn't have an inside location that would have been beautiful for the service.

JMO

I have the utmost respect for those grieving the personal loss of a loved one. However, there was no intention to keep this private.

Continued updates were made all over the media.

Perhaps Randy's gripe should be with his Father. It was he who made the constant announcements. Joe is aged, now. I say give him a break. The World is moving at a much faster pace than he is familiar. Howerver, the Family needs to either place blame where it is due or stop trying to place blame at all.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson protégé Nisha Kataria actually came to the attention of Jackson when she was heard singing in the parking lot at the Arizona State Fair in 2003. According to Kataria, Michael Jackson took her under his wing almost immediately, moved her and her mother into Neverland for a few months, and even began rehearsals for her to record a song with him. Michael Jackson almost never did duets and very rarely with women but, as Nisha Kataria explained on Larry King Live, he told her she "sang like an angel", so that's probably why. The song however was never release. More's the pity.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2011706/michael_jacksons_protege_nisha_kataria.html?cat=33

I hope somehow we DO get to hear this song. I think it would be riveting.

RIP MJ!

[Firehead11]

Nic??

What was the video you said to watch since I have the time today?

[retiredcop]

They do it for the President, and Michael Jackson.


Hi there Eagleeye!
:wink:

Aren't you on the wrong thread? Didn't you start another thread about all things good about Michael Jackson? Can't stay away eh?:biggrin:

my opinion

[retiredcop]

Local LE can request a no fly zone from the FAA for security and other reasons. If granted they will inform Air Traffic Control Center to keep all aircraft out of a designated area below a certain altitude for a designated period of time.

They can? For a funeral? I can see that for a drug bust or perimeter when looking for a subject, but for a funeral? I find that hard to believe.

Sorry, I don't see clearing airspace by the police for anything not related to their job or an emergency. I can see air space cleared for the security of the President, but to keep cameras from filming a funeral so A&E can have an exclusive?

in my opinion

[Eagleeye]

Local LE can request a no fly zone from the FAA for security and other reasons. If granted they will inform Air Traffic Control Center to keep all aircraft out of a designated area below a certain altitude for a designated period of time.

Following up my own post. It appears that the only No Fly Zone over the funeral of MJ was in the Jackson's dreams.

According to the FAA there were no TFR's (Temporary Flight Restrictions or NOTAMS (Notice To Airman) on the 3rd of September 2009. At this site you can click on TFR list to see that there were none over Encino the day of the funeral. On the pull down menu select Los Angeles and then CA and All Notams and there were none on Sept 3 as well. I relied on this source when I flew to be sure I wasn't in violation. I prefer to rely on this information over the media or what the Jackson's said. Randy needs to get over himself and move on.

http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.jsp

Nice to see you all but the Eagle is going back into lurking. Too rough for me in here. :scared:

[Eagleeye]

Sorry, in my above post, I should have said Forest Lawn Glendale not Encino. :blushing:

[Unperson1984]

They do it for the President, and Michael Jackson.


Hi there Eagleeye!
:wink:

Evidently not, since we have all seen the helicopter shots.

[KatieLady]

Evidently not, since we have all seen the helicopter shots.

I believe you are correct. There was not a no fly zone only a restriction on how low the helicopters could go. CNN (Anderson Cooper) said several times, on air, that they could not go lower than 3000 feet to keep the noise down.

I am not even sure if the FAA was involved in that. It may have been a agreement between the news stations and the Jackson's IMO

[Imperfect4]

Did you notice the armbands the Jackson brothers were sporting last night? They had gold crowns embroided on them. Perhaps paying homage to one of MJ's favorite icons, but I can't help but also think of it in the context of their descendants bearing names such as "Jermajesty" and "Royalty."

Good morning. :seeya:

No, I didn't notice the armbands. Wonder if the gold crowns matched the crown the kids put on/in his casket? To signify his King of Pop title?

I don't get the royalty angle. At all. Isn't the whole idea of those titles to designate superiority over the "common folks?" I find it distasteful.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.redroom.com/blog/aberjhani/to-walk-a-lifetime-michael-jacksons-moccasins

To Walk a Lifetime in Michael Jackson's Moccasins
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The American Poet Who Went Home Again

by * Aberjhani

Life's journeys sometimes lead us to the most unexpected places, including right back home again.

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by * Aberjhani
June 26, 2009, 12:56 pm


Michael Jackson giving it his all in concert around 1995. (photographer unknown)You probably can't read the words in the note next to the accompanying photo of Michael Jackson, but they were handwritten by the singer himself during the mid 1990s when he was constantly on tour and just as constantly a subject of much public ridicule and condemnation. This note was composed on hotel stationery and, complete with original spellings, grammar, and format, reads as follows:

"like the old Indian proverb says do not judge a man until you've walked 2 moons in his moccasins.

Most people don't know me, that is why they write such things in which most is not true

I cry very very often because it hurts and I worry about the children all my children all over the world, I live for them.

If a man could say nothing against a character but what he can prove, history could not be written.

Animals strike, not from malice, but because they want to live, it is the same with those who criticize, they desire our blood, not our pain. But still I must achieve I must seek truth in all things. I must endure for the power I was sent forth, for the world for the children.

But have mercy, for I've been bleeding a long time now."

M.J. (circa 1995)

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-16968-AfricanAmerican-Art-Examiner~y2009m8d24-

Michael-Jackson-Legacies-of-a-Globetrotting-Moonwalking-Philanthropist-Part-1



Excerpt:
In addition to the extent of his dependence on drugs to manage pain in a world known to exact agonizing cruelty upon hypersensitive souls, another revelation that immediately set tongues wagging and fingers snapping was that of Jackson’s actual monetary net worth. Reports in recent years have often stated he was broke, the result supposedly of spending more to support a lavishly self-indulgent lifestyle than the millions of dollars he was actually earning. While the performer did indeed reportedly accumulate an access of $300 million in debt, he had also worked hard enough and invested shrewdly enough to ensure at least that amount would go to his family once all debts were settled. One well-known investment in particular––a cache of rights to songs by the Beatles, Bob Dylan, and Neil Diamond––has a potential value of $1 billion plus.

[Unperson1984]

Good morning. :seeya:

No, I didn't notice the armbands. Wonder if the gold crowns matched the crown the kids put on/in his casket? To signify his King of Pop title?

I don't get the royalty angle. At all. Isn't the whole idea of those titles to designate superiority over the "common folks?" I find it distasteful.

It’s better than the deity angle, where he replaces an image of Jesus with an image of himself.

IMO

[Poochie Pie]

Nic... thanks so much for posting the words to the Earth Song..!! The video has become my passion.... (The one with the "crazy Fan") Just something totally mesmerizing about the humanity of it... How Michael is pouring his heart and soul into the song, while at the same time is in constant "protection mode" for his fellow human being... Thanks again..

Poochie

[Imperfect4]

It’s better than the deity angle, where he replaces an image of Jesus with an image of himself.

IMO

True that.

[Firehead11]

Good morning. :seeya:

No, I didn't notice the armbands. Wonder if the gold crowns matched the crown the kids put on/in his casket? To signify his King of Pop title?

I don't get the royalty angle. At all. Isn't the whole idea of those titles to designate superiority over the "common folks?" I find it distasteful.


Did you get the royalty angle with Presley? You know King Of Rock & Roll? Was his title used to put us common folk in our place?

[Cindylee]

FYI they happen to be very good friends, who also happen to have separate agendas/schedules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8

They seem to be, but I still think there was a little chill between the two during the time after MJ died.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529596,00.html

And I found this interview interesting with Jesse Jackson.....note Al next to him.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/jesse-jackson-there-is-so-much-grief/

[Zenyatta]

Good morning. :seeya:

No, I didn't notice the armbands. Wonder if the gold crowns matched the crown the kids put on/in his casket? To signify his King of Pop title?

I don't get the royalty angle. At all. Isn't the whole idea of those titles to designate superiority over the "common folks?" I find it distasteful.

Good morning!

That's what I tend to think -- being that crowns and other symbols of royalty (giant thrones) seemed to be some of MJ's favorite icons.

But as Unperson just noted, add in the grandiosity of MJ's commissioning a painting in which he replaced Jesus's image with his, and it may, to some, belie that image of humility promoted by his idolators.

Eagleeye -- nice find. Thanks.

[Firehead11]

Good morning!

That's what I tend to think -- being that crowns and other symbols of royalty (giant thrones) seemed to be some of MJ's favorite icons.

But as Unperson just noted, add in the grandiosity of MJ's commissioning a painting in which he replaced Jesus's image with his, and it may, to some, belie that image of humility promoted by his idolators.

Eagleeye -- nice find. Thanks.

Can I read the link that states that Jackson commissioned that painting?

[Zenyatta]

I did. And posted about it last night, if only a couple words.

How strange was that? They had to sign releases because their images would be used in a reality show.

Thank you, Daniel Green. I must have missed your post.
I was hoping I misunderstood what the commentator said.

[Cindylee]

Did you get the royalty angle with Presley? You know King Of Rock & Roll? Was his title used to put us common folk in our place?

I think the difference Fire, is that even though Elvis was called the King of Rock & Roll, I don't think he himself promoted himself as the King. Did you ever see that picture of MJ being crowned, and knighted? A little over the top to me. :shrug:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulscheer/3478337725/

[retiredcop]

I think the difference Fire, is that even though Elvis was called the King of Rock & Roll, I don't think he himself promoted himself as the King. Did you ever see that picture of MJ being crowned, and knighted? A little over the top to me. :shrug:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulscheer/3478337725/

:laugh: That is hilarious. :laugh:

in my opinion

[Cindylee]

Can I read the link that states that Jackson commissioned that painting?

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/Story?id=8476277&page=2

"The mausoleum is home to a breathtaking stained glass rendition of Leonardo Da Vinci's iconic painting "The Last Supper." It's a fitting piece of art for Jackson's final resting place as the singer once famously commissioned a "Last Supper" portrait for his bedroom, with himself in the place of Jesus Christ and other famous faces as his "disciples." "

[Imperfect4]

Can I read the link that states that Jackson commissioned that painting?

Either he commissioned it, or one of his sycophants arranged it for him. However it came about is irrelevant, imo. It was hanging in his home in a place of prominence, over his bed IIRC. He approved and/or believed it, apparently.

As for Elvis' title as king-of-whatever, I don't understand your point. Too many entertainers who reach the infamy of an EP or an MJ ultimately take themselves way too seriously, and it seems common for them to become downright deluded about their imagined importance to the world. I don't know whether it's a side effect of their famous-ness or in the case of both the men we're discussing, their drug use, but it seems delusions of grandeur were the order of the day.

[KatieLady]

Can I read the link that states that Jackson commissioned that painting?

the artist himself says he contracted with Michael to do the "Last Supper" for him.

http://nategiorgio.robinsshowcase.com/

[Zenyatta]

Can I read the link that states that Jackson commissioned that painting?

Yes, you can:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/Story?id=8476277&page=2

//snip//
The mausoleum is home to a breathtaking stained glass rendition of Leonardo Da Vinci's iconic painting "The Last Supper." It's a fitting piece of art for Jackson's final resting place as the singer once famously commissioned a "Last Supper" portrait for his bedroom, with himself in the place of Jesus Christ and other famous faces as his "disciples."
//snip//

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1620701/20090903/jackson_michael.jhtml

//snip//
In addition to replicas of Michelangelo's "David" and "Moses" sculptures, the mausoleum where Jackson will be buried features an ornate stained glass rendition of Leonardo da Vinci's "The Last Supper," making it a fitting resting place for the singer, who once commissioned for his bedroom a "Last Supper" portrait in which he appeared as Jesus among disciples that include Charlie Chaplin, Albert Einstein, John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Elvis and Walt Disney. The huge mausoleum is normally open to tourists but was closed on Wednesday in preparation for the funeral.
//snip//

And if you enter "Michael Jackson commissioned Last Supper" into your search engine of choice, you'll find tons more.

[Zenyatta]

the artist himself says he contracted with Michael to do the "Last Supper" for him.

http://nategiorgio.robinsshowcase.com/

KatieLady -- thank you!

[KatieLady]

KatieLady -- thank you!

You are welcome :wink:

[Zenyatta]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/Story?id=8476277&page=2

"The mausoleum is home to a breathtaking stained glass rendition of Leonardo Da Vinci's iconic painting "The Last Supper." It's a fitting piece of art for Jackson's final resting place as the singer once famously commissioned a "Last Supper" portrait for his bedroom, with himself in the place of Jesus Christ and other famous faces as his "disciples." "

Thank you, Cindylee.

If I had known you and Katielady would be so quick with those links, I would have spared myself -- for some reason my dial up connection is even more painstakingly slow than usual. Can be frustrating.

[BorderCollieMom]

I just want to say thank you for the thread.

One of my most favorite things about Michael was all of his commercials. Some are short, some are long, ALL are like mini-movies and they are incredible, imo. Heres a few...


Child Michael & Adult Michael sing Together (I'll Be There")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsPr9EEogg&feature=PlayList&p=FEEE7E973C1D7EF1&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=48


SoBe Superbowl 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anLqu77uTH0&feature=channel_page

1984 Pepsi Generation Little Boy Shocked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Md5lPyuvsk&feature=PlayList&p=FEEE7E973C1D7EF1&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=47


" The Chase "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygi29uhsv0E

" Dreams " (incl. on-set directing also)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwhTTdQaA2g
" Dreams " (short tv commercial version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98UNTSmX5H0&feature=related


Pepsi - "Mr. Jackson" ? (little boy sneaks in dressing room)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87_T7b8tD18&NR=1


LA Gear Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvARh-LQ2Bs

Esonic TV " I Bring You the Future "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4hO5dtTjMM


**MoonWalker : The Movie**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJHbaPNrfk
**MoonWalker Video Game Sega Genesis**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7GxI9aiiYE


Michael Jacksons Doll Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEc29qvvPG8&feature=related


Michael Jackson & Michael Jordan 1992 JAM ! (long version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcWTT91wUJ0&feature=PlayList&p=64C501E471A76891&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

Short version narrated by MJ (hilarious)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dma9fvOmbJs


The Suzuki commercials he did were cute too....oh, and the California raisans.....Theres so many. I love to watch the "behimd the scenes" videos....you can get into Michaels brain, if only just a little bit.

[Zenyatta]

Wouldn't that qualify him as being a narcissist?

:shrug:

Lone Wolf - I am glad you're back. IIRC, you were off last night to pursue higher literary pursuits. I'm glad you didn't. :smile:

After observing the behavior of some of the Jackson family, especially these last 70 days, I'm actually feeling a lot more compassion for MJ. And heightened concern for Prince, Paris, and Blanket.

[Cindylee]

Thank you, Cindylee.

If I had known you and Katielady would be so quick with those links, I would have spared myself -- for some reason my dial up connection is even more painstakingly slow than usual. Can be frustrating.

Oh dial up is very slow. Uggggg. :wink:

[Zenyatta]

In my book it does. And delusional too.

How much is nature, how much is nurture, and how much might long term drug use affect a person's psyche?

[daniel green]

Following up my own post. It appears that the only No Fly Zone over the funeral of MJ was in the Jackson's dreams.

snipped:

Oh goodness gracious. :blushing:

[daniel green]

Thank you, Daniel Green. I must have missed your post.
I was hoping I misunderstood what the commentator said.

They were discussing just how on earth they got someone like Taylor to sign a release and how they worded it.

Shameful, really.

[daniel green]

I think the difference Fire, is that even though Elvis was called the King of Rock & Roll, I don't think he himself promoted himself as the King. Did you ever see that picture of MJ being crowned, and knighted? A little over the top to me. :shrug:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulscheer/3478337725/

OMG. :blushing:

And Elvis didn't dress up like some pretend royal member, either.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2009/sep/02/ap-us-people-winfrey/?entertainment&national-entertainment

Oprah Winfrey to dedicate show to Michael Jackson

September 5, 2009 at 12:19 p.m.
CHICAGO (AP) — Talk show host Oprah Winfrey plans to dedicate an upcoming episode of "The Oprah Winfrey Show" to late pop singer Michael Jackson.

Harpo Productions announced Wednesday the episode, to air Sept. 16, will feature excerpts from Winfrey's 1993 interview with Jackson. Jackson died June 25 in Los Angeles. His death has been ruled a homicide.

A release from Harpo Productions says Winfrey will remember "the King of Pop with never-before-revealed personal details" from the interview.

[ABC]

OMG. :blushing:

And Elvis didn't dress up like some pretend royal member, either.

My adult children took me to Graceland ten years ago for Mother's Day weekend, bought the ultra deluxe ticket to everything and had so much fun. Elvis had my multi colored orange carpet on his kitchen walls in green. And we drove all the way playing and singing Paul Simon's "Graceland..." and Elvis tunes. What a talent. Nothing better then cooking at Xmas with Elvis singing "Rockin around the Xmas tree", "I'll be home for Xmas" and "There'll be a Blue Xmas without you".
In my opinion, those Michael Jackson crowning pictures are awful, particulary the waist to floor sword. Where are these pictures?

[daniel green]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmDe8xiwz4UOJD_KzRB-msCK67jQD9AGTOT00

[Cindylee]

My adult children took me to Graceland ten years ago for Mother's Day weekend, bought the ultra deluxe ticket to everything and had so much fun. Elvis had my multi colored orange carpet on his kitchen walls in green. And we drove all the way playing and singing Paul Simon's "Graceland..." and Elvis tunes. What a talent. Nothing better then cooking at Xmas with Elvis singing "Rockin around the Xmas tree", "I'll be home for Xmas" and "There'll be a Blue Xmas without you".
In my opinion, those Michael Jackson crowning pictures are awful, particulary the waist to floor sword. Where are these pictures?

That sounds great ABC. I would love to see Graceland.

Were those pictures part of what was going to be auctioned off???

[daniel green]

Part of the reason I was ambivalent about going on TV tonight was because I'm not attending the memorial service/burial today in which he is finally being laid to rest. The reasons for that were various. To tick off a few: frankly, because it's really weird to me that he died 2.5 months ago and still had not been buried (in the Hindu tradition, the body must be disposed off within two days, and not that I am even very Hindu, but come on...); because I sensed the service would be more of the same - a circus of attention seekers and media - and I didn't really want to be a part of it; and because, well, I don't think I was really invited by his family or lawyers or post-death entourage, whoever is running the show. I'm not surprised, nor disappointed. I was good friends with Michael, not his parents nor many siblings, not his wonderful children, nor the many in his entourage who always seemed to be around, and appear just as plentiful and voracious in his death. On the former (the family), this has no doubt been a conflicted time for them as well. When I was with him the last few years, Michael intimated a deep respect for many of the members of his family, but he didn't profess a real intimacy with them in recent times. He loved his brothers deeply but he didn't ache to re-establish the famous fraternity the world once knew. Then again, what do I know?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gotham-chopra/one-more-for-mj_b_276855.html

[KatieLady]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hmDe8xiwz4UOJD_KzRB-msCK67jQD9AGTOT00

Good! It won't stop the tour busses from driving by tho :rolleyes:

IMO

[Zenyatta]

My adult children took me to Graceland ten years ago for Mother's Day weekend, bought the ultra deluxe ticket to everything and had so much fun. Elvis had my multi colored orange carpet on his kitchen walls in green. And we drove all the way playing and singing Paul Simon's "Graceland..." and Elvis tunes. What a talent. Nothing better then cooking at Xmas with Elvis singing "Rockin around the Xmas tree", "I'll be home for Xmas" and "There'll be a Blue Xmas without you".
In my opinion, those Michael Jackson crowning pictures are awful, particulary the waist to floor sword. Where are these pictures?

Hi ABC,

I believe the crowning/knighting pictures were painted by Michael Jackson's personal artist, David Nordahl. They were part of Jackson's collection and were set to be auctioned off until MJ changed his mind:

http://laist.com/2009/04/19/photo_essay_the_collection_of_micha.php?gallery0Pi c=14

The waist to the floor sword reminded me of a bad Tarot card.
Out of curiosity, I googled and found that someone has indeed created a "Rock and Roll Tarot Deck":

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/rock-n-roll/

and decided to put MJ's image on the card that represents "The World":

http://www.stootsi.com/store/item.aspx?item=73467058

Just a little useless trivia for a holiday weekend. :scared:

[Imperfect4]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gotham-chopra/one-more-for-mj_b_276855.html

I really like that young man from what I've seen of him. I've always appreciated his father.

[Firehead11]

Yes, you can:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/Story?id=8476277&page=2

//snip//
The mausoleum is home to a breathtaking stained glass rendition of Leonardo Da Vinci's iconic painting "The Last Supper." It's a fitting piece of art for Jackson's final resting place as the singer once famously commissioned a "Last Supper" portrait for his bedroom, with himself in the place of Jesus Christ and other famous faces as his "disciples."
//snip//

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1620701/20090903/jackson_michael.jhtml

//snip//
In addition to replicas of Michelangelo's "David" and "Moses" sculptures, the mausoleum where Jackson will be buried features an ornate stained glass rendition of Leonardo da Vinci's "The Last Supper," making it a fitting resting place for the singer, who once commissioned for his bedroom a "Last Supper" portrait in which he appeared as Jesus among disciples that include Charlie Chaplin, Albert Einstein, John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Elvis and Walt Disney. The huge mausoleum is normally open to tourists but was closed on Wednesday in preparation for the funeral.
//snip//

And if you enter "Michael Jackson commissioned Last Supper" into your search engine of choice, you'll find tons more.

Did you notice in the link provided by KatieLady the name of the picture? It is called "Heroes". To me Jackson had it painted so he could be surrounded by his heros. He did not appear as Jesus. We know he admired Walt Disney and Charlie Chaplin.

IMO, people are reading to much into this portait.

[daniel green]

My adult children took me to Graceland ten years ago for Mother's Day weekend, bought the ultra deluxe ticket to everything and had so much fun. Elvis had my multi colored orange carpet on his kitchen walls in green. And we drove all the way playing and singing Paul Simon's "Graceland..." and Elvis tunes. What a talent. Nothing better then cooking at Xmas with Elvis singing "Rockin around the Xmas tree", "I'll be home for Xmas" and "There'll be a Blue Xmas without you".
In my opinion, those Michael Jackson crowning pictures are awful, particulary the waist to floor sword. Where are these pictures?

I bet you all had a great time!

I agree with you, those paintings are awful. Crass.

[daniel green]

I really like that young man from what I've seen of him. I've always appreciated his father.

I do, too. Love his name.

My husband and I went to hear his father speak here in Chlt probably 9 yrs ago and I still remember everything he said. Love his take on synchronicity and asking and the universe starts to answer.

[daniel green]

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The waist to the floor sword reminded me of a bad Tarot card.
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That is it, exactly!!!!!!!! You nailed that one.

[Zenyatta]

I do, too. Love his name.

My husband and I went to hear his father speak here in Chlt probably 9 yrs ago and I still remember everything he said. Love his take on synchronicity and asking and the universe starts to answer.

I saw him during that same time period and heard probably the same talk on synchronicity. You're right -- it was riveting and unforgettable.

MJ was fortunate to have him and Gotham for friends.

[daniel green]

Cool! I have kept my eyes open for synchronicity every since, knowing that the universe is trying to tell me something. And I cannot begin to count how many times I have told someone--one of the kids I work with, usually--Ask, and the Universe will start to answer.

[Imperfect4]

I saw him during that same time period and heard probably the same talk on synchronicity. You're right -- it was riveting and unforgettable.

MJ was fortunate to have him and Gotham for friends.

Me three! Probably right in the same time frame. His tour brought him to Las Vegas (where I was living at the time).

[daniel green]

Synchronicity!!!!:biggrin:

[Emerald]

Did you notice in the link provided by KatieLady the name of the picture? It is called "Heroes". To me Jackson had it painted so he could be surrounded by his heros. He did not appear as Jesus. We know he admired Walt Disney and Charlie Chaplin.

IMO, people are reading to much into this portait.

Leonardo DaVinci was not at the so-called "Last Supper". Why is no one calling him a heretic for painting the picture with leavened bread on the Passover table?

I's only an artists imagination. All the renditions.

[Zenyatta]

Cool! I have kept my eyes open for synchronicity every since, knowing that the universe is trying to tell me something. And I cannot begin to count how many times I have told someone--one of the kids I work with, usually--Ask, and the Universe will start to answer.

Me too, Daniel Green. After one too many odd coincidences in my life, I delved into the concept, starting with Carl Jung's "Synchronicity."

Apologies for the O/T.

[Zenyatta]

Me three! Probably right in the same time frame. His tour brought him to Las Vegas (where I was living at the time).

WOW! I love it! :laugh:

[ABC]

Hi ABC,

I believe the crowning/knighting pictures were painted by Michael Jackson's personal artist, David Nordahl. They were part of Jackson's collection and were set to be auctioned off until MJ changed his mind:

http://laist.com/2009/04/19/photo_essay_the_collection_of_micha.php?gallery0Pi c=14

The waist to the floor sword reminded me of a bad Tarot card.
Out of curiosity, I googled and found that someone has indeed created a "Rock and Roll Tarot Deck":

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/rock-n-roll/

and decided to put MJ's image on the card that represents "The World":

http://www.stootsi.com/store/item.aspx?item=73467058

Just a little useless trivia for a holiday weekend. :scared:
HI to you, too. I love trivia. Thanks for the links. This stuff is crazy in my opinion. As Daniel wrote, Elvis did not see himself as a Knighted, Crowned anything.

[flipflop]

Michael Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, is going to be charged with manslaughter in the King of Pop’s death.

According to Fox News, Dr. Murray, who released a YouTube video after going into hiding, will be arrested with in the next week or two for manslaughter in the death. Michael Jackson was rehearsing for a series of concerts in London.

Click here to see the video

AGI in Italy is reporting that Jackson’s dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, will also be facing charges of medical malpractice. That investigation is continuing.

http://www.examiner.com/x-20368-Little-Rock-Entertainment-Examiner~y2009m9d5-Dr-Conrad-Murray-to-be-charged-with-manslaughter

As he should be. Thanks for the info. :smile:

[Zenyatta]

HI to you, too. I love trivia. Thanks for the links. This stuff is crazy in my opinion. As Daniel wrote, Elvis did not see himself as a Knighted, Crowned anything.

You're welcome! Sounds like you had a great time at Graceland. What a nice gift from your kids. I still like to watch the old Elvis movies. I think young Elvis was one of the most handsome, charismatic men I've ever laid eyes on.

I'm imagining Elvis commissioning a painting depicting himself and those he admired. I think he'd pick something more along the lines of the famous painting on velvet of dogs playing poker, perhaps?

http://www.thevelvetstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=va003&Category_Code=11

Back on topic, here's a picture of Michael cruising the river Thames. I'd never seen this. Quite creative!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/aug/20/michael-jackson-robot-las-vegas

[Firehead11]

http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2009/03/10/april-auction-of-michael-jackson-memorabilia-is-still-a-go.aspx


Scroll down to Disney painting:

This is a painting that Mr. Jackson personally commissioned, which depicts many of his heroes appearing together on the same stage at the same time. As you look over this heavily airbrushed piece of artwork, you’ll see the Three Stooges, Kermit the Frog, Shirley Temple and Charlie Chaplin. Not to mention Walt Disney, Mickey Mouse, Tinker Bell, Peter Pan, Stitch. Jiminey Cricket and – of course – Pinocchio.

I wonder why he has some of the same people in both pictures....?

[ish]

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Yeah Randy is mad caused they want what was already aired for their reality show. They, themselves, made it a circus. imo

I think the family showed up almost 2 hrs late to begin the ceremony, IMO they wanted to get there after dusk so the helicopters didn't get great shots. They left Michael's "dear" friends sitting in their cars all that time, nice way to treat the elderly Liz Taylor. I was surprised though at the low turn out of celebs. No Paul McCartney, Bob Geldoff, Sting?

[Cindylee]

I think the family showed up almost 2 hrs late to begin the ceremony, IMO they wanted to get there after dusk so the helicopters didn't get great shots. They left Michael's "dear" friends sitting in their cars all that time, nice way to treat the elderly Liz Taylor. I was surprised though at the low turn out of celebs. No Paul McCartney, Bob Geldoff, Sting?

Did the same celebs show up for this service as the first one?

Everyone must be having a good weekend. Hope so. :smile:

[Cindylee]

She merged my thread with yours? WTH. Why would she do that, anyone have a clue?

Uh Oh. :scared: I have not a clue. Things were going pretty smoothly.

[Cindylee]

She edited mine slightly this morning, so I figured she didn't mind the 2. When she starts merging tribute threads with hate threads, it can only lead to bad things.

imo,,,of course.

We've done it before, we can do it again. :smile:

[Imperfect4]

She edited mine slightly this morning, so I figured she didn't mind the 2. When she starts merging tribute threads with hate threads, it can only lead to bad things.

imo,,,of course.

Bolding mine. Reported.

[Cindylee]

Bolding mine. Reported.

For getting along, it would help to not use that kind of word. IMO

[Imperfect4]

For getting along, it would help to not use that kind of word. IMO

Yep. Ours was a discussion thread. Discussion does not equal the other.

[Cindylee]

Yep. Ours was a discussion thread. Discussion does not equal the other.

No it doesn't. Maybe we can make it through the weekend if we can avoid some of the "labels". :ohmy:

[Cindylee]

I made a thread about good things about michael Jackson. The Love people have for him, and the opposite of Love is hate. That was the point of the two threads.

No, you made a thread about the good things about MJ. This thread is ALL things MJ. I did not start a hate thread.

[Cindylee]

I spent several hours last night reading articles,and posting them. Downloading songs, lyrics and posting them. HOURS ... only to be deleted.

I am sorry that your articles were deleted, I don't know why they were. Just as I appreciated the articles that you posted the other day. I don't know why, except some were long. :confused:

[Cindylee]

I spent several hours last night reading articles,and posting them. Downloading songs, lyrics and posting them. HOURS ... only to be deleted.

Could it have to do with copyrights???

[Imperfect4]

I spent several hours last night reading articles,and posting them. Downloading songs, lyrics and posting them. HOURS ... only to be deleted.

Perhaps posts with full song lyrics are considered a waste of bandwidth, especially on an abbreviated holiday forum.

Perhaps a link to lyrics you like would've been a better idea.

[Imperfect4]

They weren't deleted, they were merged into this thread. It will be this entire thread that gets deleted now, so I wouldn't put a lot of effort into what you post.

I'm really not following you. :confused:

[Cindylee]

They weren't deleted, they were merged into this thread. It will be this entire thread that gets deleted now, so I wouldn't put a lot of effort into what you post.

You said that they were deleted in your post above. If they have just been merged, then people can still read them.

[Imperfect4]

As this nic gets banned so with any posts, or threads started by me. By merging I am now the starter of this thread, not you, and I am the one who will be banned when she see's i was reported.

Happens all day, every day. You know that.

Perhaps you'll think twice in the future about using negative labels.

[Cindylee]

As this nic gets banned so with any posts, or threads started by me. By merging I am now the starter of this thread, not you, and I am the one who will be banned when she see's i was reported.

I have seen people that were banned and still had the thread. I don't think you will be banned anyway. I am sure many people are reported, that doesn't mean they get banned. I don't think so anyway.

[Imperfect4]

Except that all those posts are not deleted now, they are on the beginning of this thread, which will ALL be deleted on account of your reporting of me.

You've "known" me for over a year, Nic. What do you hope to accomplish with this line of reasoning?

If the mod(s) delete this thread, I guess someone will start another.

[Cindylee]

Do you see what my nic says? It says that for a reason.
haha

I did see that, and you have lasted quite a few days now. Hang in there. :wink:

[Cindylee]

We wouldn't even be having this discussion, if she hadn't merged the two. That is my point.

But, it is merged, I don't know why, but, let's just go on.

[Cindylee]

I thought I made this yesterday at work. The day before when I signed into here, I got a virus that destroyed my computer (my work computer) and Ithink i made this one with my new computer. Hey have any of you got a virus from this site?

I haven't. Hope I don't. Maybe from one of the links?????

[Cindylee]

Well.. i signed in through Internet Explorer, and at that moment it went into another screen and starting uploading a bunch of stuff onto the computer. I shut if off right away and by then the only thing left was the virus and all my files were gone.

I have not a clue. I haven't had a problem yet. I use Firefox. It seems faster to me.

[legalmania]

I was watching a show today and found out that Michael liked the Bee Gees especially this song, so I thought I would play this in his memory.

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Now playing: Bee Gees - How Can You Mend a Broken Heart (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/bee_gees/track/how_can_you_mend_a_broken_heart)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[legalmania]

Well.. i signed in through Internet Explorer, and at that moment it went into another screen and starting uploading a bunch of stuff onto the computer. I shut if off right away and by then the only thing left was the virus and all my files were gone.

I hope you at least had it backed up.

[Cindylee]

I was watching a show today and found out that Michael liked the Bee Gees especially this song, so I thought I would play this in his memory.

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Now playing: Bee Gees - How Can You Mend a Broken Heart (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/bee_gees/track/how_can_you_mend_a_broken_heart)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

I like that Bee Gees song. The X Factor 2008 had a MJ week that I watched today. Some were pretty good. http://xfactor.itv.com/2008/

[legalmania]

I like that Bee Gees song. The X Factor 2008 had a MJ week that I watched today. Some were pretty good. http://xfactor.itv.com/2008/

He tried to sing it but he couldn't even reach those notes.

[Imperfect4]

I have not a clue. I haven't had a problem yet. I use Firefox. It seems faster to me.

Firefox for me, too. I gave up on Explorer long ago.

[Cindylee]

Firefox for me, too. I gave up on Explorer long ago. It is horrible isn't it. I love Firefox.

[legalmania]

Firefox for me, too. I gave up on Explorer long ago.

Firefox fan also. Have no problems.

[legalmania]

I am so glad Michael finally has a perminate place. It looked like it was a beautiful service. His kids seem to be adjusting o.k. I'm sure they're still in shock.

[Cindylee]

I am so glad Michael finally has a perminate place. It looked like it was a beautiful service. His kids seem to be adjusting o.k. I'm sure they're still in shock.

I hope this is the final spot, and Jermaine still doesn't try to move him to Neverland. I think his mom would not let that happen.

[Imperfect4]

I am so glad Michael finally has a perminate place. It looked like it was a beautiful service. His kids seem to be adjusting o.k. I'm sure they're still in shock.

I feel terrible for those kids, in particular little Paris. :sad:

[legalmania]

I hope this is the final spot, and Jermaine still doesn't try to move him to Neverland. I think his mom would not let that happen.

I hope so also, he didn't want to go to Neverland, he said when he left Neverland he would never go back. His poor mother has been through enough, at her age having to raise teenagers. I'm sure she doesn't mind but she probably thought she was done with raising children. She couldn't even go in to say goodbye. I wonder why he didn't put in his will where he wanted to be buried at?

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Never Can Say Goodbye (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/never_can_say_goodbye)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[legalmania]

I feel terrible for those kids, in particular little Paris. :sad:

She is going to be one beautiful young lady. I'm sure Michaels brothers will be watching out for her. Can you see her first date, the poor boy will probably have to go through an FBI interrogation.

[Cindylee]

I hope so also, he didn't want to go to Neverland, he said when he left Neverland he would never go back. His poor mother has been through enough, at her age having to raise teenagers. I'm sure she doesn't mind but she probably thought she was done with raising children. She couldn't even go in to say goodbye. I wonder why he didn't put in his will where he wanted to be buried at?

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Never Can Say Goodbye (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/never_can_say_goodbye)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

I read something in one of the articles posted that Depak's son said Mj had told him he wanted to be cremated. :shrug:

[Cindylee]

She is going to be one beautiful young lady. I'm sure Michaels brothers will be watching out for her. Can you see her first date, the poor boy will probably have to go through an FBI interrogation. I do think she will be a beautiful young lady. But, I sure don't see most of the brothers as great role models.

[Imperfect4]

She is going to be one beautiful young lady. I'm sure Michaels brothers will be watching out for her. Can you see her first date, the poor boy will probably have to go through an FBI interrogation.

We can only hope her life will be that relatively normal. Somehow, I doubt it.

[legalmania]

I read something in one of the articles posted that Depak's son said Mj had told him he wanted to be cremated. :shrug:

I guess he didn't think it through. Guess he didn't really plan on dying at 50. What the sad part is he shouldn't be dead at 50.

[Cindylee]

I guess he didn't think it through. Guess he didn't really plan on dying at 50. What the sad part is he shouldn't be dead at 50.Yes, it is very sad. Maybe he needed a wake up call a long time ago. With his lifestyle, he should have known that he wasn't long for this world. Maybe a close call would have done it. Or maybe not, maybe he had had a close call or more in the past. I do know that quitting an addiction is the hardest thing in the world to do. But, he did have a lot to live for.

[legalmania]

We can only hope her life will be that relatively normal. Somehow, I doubt it.

When there is money involved, life does become complicated for some. So long as the kids learn how to handle money and remember you can't spend more than you're bringing in, and learn a lesson from dad trust no one. I just heard about an x client of mine who was a millionaire about 10 years ago and now he is flat broke.

[legalmania]

Yes, it is very sad. Maybe he needed a wake up call a long time ago. With his lifestyle, he should have known that he wasn't long for this world. Maybe a close call would have done it. Or maybe not, maybe he had had a close call or more in the past. I do know that quitting an addiction is the hardest thing in the world to do. But, he did have a lot to live for.

He had plenty to live for watching his kids graduate, walking his daughter down the isle. Seeing his first grandchild born. These are all the things his idle Elvis missed out on, you think he would have tried extra hard to make sure he stuck around to see these things happen. But he said it was that perfect sleep he needed.

[Cindylee]

When there is money involved, life does become complicated for some. So long as the kids learn how to handle money and remember you can't spend more than you're bringing in, and learn a lesson from dad trust no one. I just heard about an x client of mine who was a millionaire about 10 years ago and now he is flat broke.

But, that is the problem that I see. The Jackson's didn't have money, and then became famous. They made money, but I don't think they ever learned how to handle it. Then MJ was the only one who was making money, and he took care of everyone. I am not sure who in that family is going to teach the kids how to do that. It is like people that come from not much and win the lottery. Many have huge problems with that.

PS. I would like to win the lottery, and give it a try. :laugh:

[Zenyatta]

I read something in one of the articles posted that Depak's son said Mj had told him he wanted to be cremated. :shrug:

Hi Cindylee,

I read it too, here:

Gotham Chopra: One More for Michael Jackson

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gotham-chopra/one-more-for-mj_b_276855.html

//snip//
Still, today it feels like some closure is upon us. Michael gets to go underground, which is perhaps a place he may finally find some peace. That said, I could have sworn he once told me he wanted to be cremated when he was all done. Strike that from the record, though, if it means now we have to go through another circus with him and his body. This is all turning a little too Thriller for me...
//snip//

[Cindylee]

He had plenty to live for watching his kids graduate, walking his daughter down the isle. Seeing his first grandchild born. These are all the things his idle Elvis missed out on, you think he would have tried extra hard to make sure he stuck around to see these things happen. But he said it was that perfect sleep he needed.

It is just so sad. I just hope that those kids have some positive role models. I think that Janet and Rebbie will help. Kathrine may be ok, but she is getting up there in age.

[Cindylee]

Hi Cindylee,

I read it too, here:

Gotham Chopra: One More for Michael Jackson

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gotham-chopra/one-more-for-mj_b_276855.html

//snip//
Still, today it feels like some closure is upon us. Michael gets to go underground, which is perhaps a place he may finally find some peace. That said, I could have sworn he once told me he wanted to be cremated when he was all done. Strike that from the record, though, if it means now we have to go through another circus with him and his body. This is all turning a little too Thriller for me...
//snip//

Hi Zenyatta,
Thanks, yes, that is where I read it.

[legalmania]

But, that is the problem that I see. The Jackson's didn't have money, and then became famous. They made money, but I don't think they ever learned how to handle it. Then MJ was the only one who was making money, and he took care of everyone. I am not sure who in that family is going to teach the kids how to do that. It is like people that come from not much and win the lottery. Many have huge problems with that.

PS. I would like to win the lottery, and give it a try. :laugh:

It's not all it is cracked up to be, I married money and life just became boring. I went on vacation whenever I wanted, so I got sick of that. I was sick of shopping, sick of going out, sick of the people. I live comfortable now and I am much more happy.

[Cindylee]

It's not all it is cracked up to be, I married money and life just became boring. I went on vacation whenever I wanted, so I got sick of that. I was sick of shopping, sick of going out, sick of the people. I live comfortable now and I am much more happy.

No it isn't all it is cracked up to be.

[Cindylee]

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You're right, Cindy. Actually i dont see any of the jacksons as role models. And MJ was the WORSE role model those poor kids could have had. imo

I do think he really loved those kids, but I have to agree, he wasn't a good role model.

[daniel green]

snipped I was surprised though at the low turn out of celebs. No Paul McCartney, Bob Geldoff, Sting?

You know, I wasn't surprised. For a number of obvious reasons. But who on earth would go along with being filmed for a Jackson Bros reality tv show and sign releases? :confused:

[daniel green]

I read something in one of the articles posted that Depak's son said Mj had told him he wanted to be cremated. :shrug:

How sad. It looks as if MJ's wishes are not being given a second's thought. I saw those children sitting next to Joe Jackson and him telling them where to sit, etc, and shuddered.

[daniel green]

Someone posted the other day an article about how the Jacksons looked at MJ, and still do, as a celeb and not a loved one. Remember that one?

I felt very sad that they imposed that on the children, as well, having them place a crown. He was just their father, not some made up king. It felt so wrong to me.

[daniel green]

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This news is 3 weeks old.......why do u keep posting it? imo

It's really spam now.

Oh, and boring.

[legalmania]

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You're right, Cindy. Actually i dont see any of the jacksons as role models. And MJ was the WORSE role model those poor kids could have had. imo

MJ was far from a bad role model, after the trial he moved away from the public eye to give his kids a normal life. They are well adjusted kids, who were respectful and gracious throughout their fathers memorial. They sat there and behaved. When Paris got up and spoke she spoke from the heart.

[legalmania]

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IMO i think everything the children did was orchestrated by the jackson clan...........just like when lil Paris made the speech at the memorial service. imo

Including Paris getting up and telling everyone what a good father he was and how much she loved him?

[Unperson1984]

You know, I wasn't surprised. For a number of obvious reasons. But who on earth would go along with being filmed for a Jackson Bros reality tv show and sign releases? :confused:

I'm still surprised Diana Ross was a no show at both events.

[legalmania]

If all kids had fathers as loving and devoted as MJ, there wouldn't be so many messed up kids all over.

I wish my father would have built me a place like Neverland. To wake up everyday to that, and he also made sure they saw the sick and poverty stricken children who weren't as lucky as them, and to spend time with them as well, and to remember it is better to give than receive.

[legalmania]

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I dont doubt for a second that the kids dididn'tove MJ...........but what i am saying is that i think that was orchestrated by the jacksons. imo

No because she wasn't even going to talk Janet was then she said I want to say something and that's when she took the mic. The Jacksons don't have to orchestrate anything they are world know celeberties
who are love by millions.

[daniel green]

I'm still surprised Diana Ross was a no show at both events.

Oh, yeah. Me, too.

[legalmania]

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MJ was devoted to his drugs first.......then his kids. he made his kids orphans. imo

When you have a mother your not an orphan. She will be in their lives but will not raise them.

[legalmania]

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ummmmmmmmmmmm i think thats what i said...........he built it for himself. imo

If he built it for himself then why did he share it with all those people?

[Unperson1984]

I brought this from the other thread for you Unperson.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unperson1984
I’m sure some think this is wonderful and appropriate, but I find it quite disturbing.

Just curious Unperson. How do you feel about the Sheriff's Department selling photos of a private residence obtained in a raid, which lead to the filing of charges, a trial, and acquittal, instead of either destroying or returned to the acquited defendant? I have read that other items confiscated in the raid, for use as evidence in the trial, were not returned to him, even though he appropriately moved for the return of his property, and those same items somehow making their way to the tabloids. Do you find that disturbing?
__________________

I find it very disturbing, but sadly not surprising.

[legalmania]

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U mean his special lil friends? imo

No I mean children from the wish foundation and children who couldn't afford to go to Disney World and children from all over the world. You can keep your sick thoughts to yourself.

[daniel green]

Katherine Jackson apparently was the source of the delay of the start of Michael Jackson's burial service on Thursday night. A source in direct contact with the family said Katherine didn’t begin getting ready at her Encino home until 6:45 p.m., just 15 minutes before the scheduled start.“She actually had to be coerced into going in the end,” said the source. “It was like the reality of what this had turned into — an event and not anything remotely private — hit her all at once.” Katherine and the rest of the Jacksons ultimately made it to the Glendale Forest Lawn cemetery, where guests such as Elizabeth Taylor had been waiting for nearly two hours in some cases. Taylor’s appearance was a surprise to many — though she was one of Jackson’s closest confidantes, she was not at the public memorial in July. The source says Taylor was actually not invited to the July 7 private ceremony that took place just before the public event at the Staples Center, and this invite was extended at the last minute. “She didn’t go to Staples because she didn’t want to be part of the spotlight. When she accepted a rather last minute invite to this memorial, she thought it was really going to be private. She had no idea that she’d be on camera so much. She definitely didn’t expect to wait outside for hours,” said the source.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32681828/ns/entertainment-gossip/

[legalmania]

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Well if their mother is not in their life, then i would still say the children r orphans. Was she in their lives for the funeral when she knew the kids may need her? Just when does she think she will start being in their lives? eyeroll imo

I don't really think it's any of our business.

[legalmania]

Thats what makes drug addiction so bad. And with millions of parents out there right now addicted to prescription drugs and having children, this event should be a reason to fix this epidemic. Parents don;t love drugs more than they love their children But drugs take control. MJ is dead now... He's famous, so we know about him. How many parents in this country are making their own children orphans, and its quiet. The pharmeceutical companies need to take some their huge profits and figure out a way to sell pills without killing people and making orphaned children.

Add world peace to that and you would think it was a Miss America speech.

[daniel green]

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Thanks, Daniel. So much for Liz NOT complaining eh? imo

You know she wasn't happy with that long wait in that horribly hot weather and horrible air quality.

[legalmania]

But I'm not an implanted blonde. But I thought about adding some world peace in it but got lazy.

Well it was a heck of a try. I had a feeling you weren't an implanted blonde when you left out world peace.

[legalmania]

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And u can use IGNORE. imo

Don't tell me what I can and cannot do. I'll put you on ignore when I'm good and ready. O.k. I'm ready.

[Unperson1984]

Thats what makes drug addiction so bad. And with millions of parents out there right now addicted to prescription drugs and having children, this event should be a reason to fix this epidemic. Parents don;t love drugs more than they love their children But drugs take control. MJ is dead now... He's famous, so we know about him. How many parents in this country are making their own children orphans, and its quiet. The pharmeceutical companies need to take some their huge profits and figure out a way to sell pills without killing people and making orphaned children.

They find a way to do it in order to protect themselves from lawsuits.

When our wonderful three-year-old bulldog had lymphoma his oncologist and I tried to get a drug called Revlimid, I even had three Members of Congress try to get some from the pharmaceutical company...no luck. Revlimid’s main ingredient is a drug called thalidomide so the company keeps a very tight control.

I guess drug abuse isn't a cost saving motive for better control.

Sad isn't it.

[legalmania]

Thats what makes drug addiction so bad. And with millions of parents out there right now addicted to prescription drugs and having children, this event should be a reason to fix this epidemic. Parents don;t love drugs more than they love their children But drugs take control. MJ is dead now... He's famous, so we know about him. How many parents in this country are making their own children orphans, and its quiet. The pharmaceutical companies need to take some their huge profits and figure out a way to sell pills without killing people and making orphaned children.

It's not just pills it's also alcohol, eating, smoking, gambling. As a matter of fact alcohol leads to violent abuse of children, and is a lot easier to get than prescription pills.

[Unperson1984]

Goodnight to the good people...........i hope CW will allow 2 different threads tomorrow.

Goodnight Buzzzzzz, and goodnight fellow posters.

[legalmania]

They find a way to do it in order to protect themselves from lawsuits.

When our wonderful three-year-old bulldog had lymphoma his oncologist and I tried to get a drug called Revlimid, I even had three Members of Congress try to get some from the pharmaceutical company...no luck. Revlimid’s main ingredient is a drug called thalidomide so the company keeps a very tight control.

I guess drug abuse isn't a cost saving motive for better control.

Sad isn't it.

The drug companies don't want us better, they just want us to be able to live with it. They learned their lesson with polio. Since they were healing people, people stopped going to doctors and didn't need drugs, that was the last time they did that.

[legalmania]

By all accounts she left them with Michael because she knew he was a great father, and had things gone as planned the kids would have had a wonderful life with Michael. Neither of us know her, but I think she does care, and knows that all 3 must stay together, legal right or not. Most judges are not going to separate those kids. Who is Mikey? He is called Blanket. No need to disrespect him too. I mean he's only like 6 years old.

I agree with you, and I think she will stay in their lives because she doesn't want them to be orphans, and none of us do know her. I believe she already made a legal agreement with Katherine that she would not interfere in their lives as long as Joe stays away. I think she wants visiting rights, and will not separate the children.

[legalmania]

I thought it was weird that when the tv stations were airing the funeral the other night, some of the commercials were for pharaceuticals. They spend a ton of money on advertising, just like any other product, finding ways to convince you that you need their product. It bothers me that they keep selling deadly drugs on tv commercials.

And then they tell you the side effects. This drug may cause cancer, death and you may begin oozzing something from parts of your body you didn't know existed.

[legalmania]

Well it looks like time is flying by so let me say goodnight and dedicate a song to Michael and the kids.:rose::seeya:

----------------
Now playing: Michael Jackson - Human Nature (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/human_nature)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[legalmania]

And then the next commercial is lawyers looking to start class actions from the other side effects of the drugs. If you took Phenegren and you have an ailment now, you might be eligible for thier law suit. So.. its the pharmeceuticals and the lawyers getting rich at the expense of the dead people leaving orphaned children.

With these class action lawsuits, the clients get nothing and the attorneys get a fortune. Well talk later today have a good night.

[Hanalei]

::barfing up my dinner::



Another portrait of Michael Jackson

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bouguereau.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/bouguereau-michael-jackson.png&imgrefurl=http://www.bouguereau.net/michael-jackson-portrait-becomes-the-1300th-remastered-bouguereau/&usg=__8_MG5DoB1nOlMrjVpse3KhJAnfk=&h=450&w=600&sz=128&hl=en&start=74&sig2=n08twWpPC28BI5Vr4sV1uA&um=1&tbnid=tGmH2K4JOyunkM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichael%2Bjackson%2Bportraits%26ndsp% 3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D72%26um%3D1&ei=MqSiSpDvJJz2tAPen4jqCw

[Firehead11]

She knew he was a drug addict, she didn't care about those kids.
I am not disrespecting the child, his name is Prince Michael II, Mikey or Mike would be a common nickname. Blanket is disrespectful in my opinion. In fact, I find it disrespectful that he didn't even get his own name at all, just a second time hand me down. Do you think he will want to be called Blanket his whole life?

I wonder if anyone has ever asked him how he feels about it.

Bolding is mine.

I wonder how George Foreman's sons feel about their names...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman

Foreman has 10 children, and each of his five sons are named George: George Jr., George III, George IV, George V, and George VI. His three older sons are distinguished from one another by the nicknames "Monk", "Big Wheel" and "Little George."[3]

Imagine that, 5 boys all named the same. And that name Big Wheel, I wonder what he will think of the name when he becomes 50.

[retiredcop]

Well, I see this thread is dropping like a rock. Not near as much interest anymore. I'll give it a bump with my post.

It's seems there are those who have forgotten DR fought for and got visiting rights to her children. This also had nothing to do with a money settlement. KJ and DR both are paying for a psychologist for the children and that is to determine when DR will see the children.

As far as DR attending the funeral, she is very private and nothing like the Jacksons. I feel if the psychologist had of suggested she attend the funeral for the sake of the children she would have.

in my opinion

[Imperfect4]

Yeah, he's another one with a huge ego. I wonder why his wife went along with that. I wonder how the last 2 are distinguished. Georgie Porgie and The Last George?

ITA. Pure ego. Nothing more to it. imo

[Unperson1984]

What is everyone's best guess as to when Murray will be charged?

[retiredcop]

I'm not so sure he will be charged.

in my opinion

[Unperson1984]

I'm not so sure he will be charged.

in my opinion

I think they have to now, they've painted themselves into a corner. I'm afraid if they don't it will correctly become a racial issue.

ANS died in Florida and the AG is going after her doctors, how can they justify not going after MJ's doctors? I know how Rev Sharpton would answer that...don't you?

[Cindylee]

Jackson's Love Glove Nets a Bundle

Posted Sep 6th 2009 11:00AM by TMZ Staff

In yet another example of how protection pays, the glove Michael Jackson wore the day he married Debbie Rowe has just gone to the highest bidder -- for a fortune.



Bonhams and Goodman auctioneers hit the gavel after someone bid $49,000 to become the proud owner of Jackson's white bejeweled glove. The newly-minted gloved one is Warwick Stone, who bought it on behalf of the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.

Jackson went on to have two kids with Debbie Rowe -- we don't think the glove was never removed.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0QLtFCK43

[Cindylee]

The editor must be on holiday.

Ha, I saw that.

[Imperfect4]

The fun and thrill of bashing a dead man won't last forever. There are new victims just ripened for bashing, so people move on to the next victim, and its family to bash. As soon as their is an arrest, it will liven up again.

How does one so bent on experiencing the "fun and thrill" of bashing other posters presume to pass judgment on others, I wonder? Yet on and on it goes. Day in, day out. Month in, month out. Year in, year out.

B-O-R-I-N-G

[impartial]

The editor must be on holiday.


Too often I have difficulty understanding articles ... the writing is so bad.

So what does "we don't think the glove was never removed" mean? Take out the double negatives ... we think the glove was removed, or we think the glove was never removed. Removed from what, his hand?

:confused:

[impartial]

Still, if I had to bet on what is most likely, I would bet that he did molest a boy, at least the one from 1992. In that case, the criminal charges were dropped, and Jackson settled with the boy's family, reportedly for $20 million. Jackson insisted that he wanted to pursue the matter in court but that the insurance company made him settle. (With unintended irony, he later said: "I didn't want to do a long drawn-out thing on TV like O.J. and all that stupid stuff.") The idea that an insurance company forced him to settle a nuisance claim for millions of dollars seems unlikely, both to me and to the lawyers I consulted. To be sure, there was also evidence in both cases that the families were financially motivated. But with Jackson's financial assets supporting the best lawyers and publicists, it is unsurprising that his team managed to raise significant doubts.

Though inconclusive, the repeated molestation charges and rumors were worrisome. And even Michael Jackson admitted that he loved to sleep in the same bed as children. (It seems that he preferred boys to girls.) That's what precipitated the criminal investigation in 2005. Neither several accusations of sexual abuse of boys nor his admission that he loved sharing his bed with boys necessarily meant that Jackson was sexually attracted to boys. But it is a reasonable hypothesis—arguably, the most reasonable hypothesis—that he was.

http://www.scientificblogging.com/j_michael_bailey/was_michael_jackson_pedophile

I consider myself a realist and a VERY resonable person.


$20,000 is not a nuisance settlement. In order for the insurance company to pony up that kind of money for a settlement, their evaluation of the evidence lead them to the conclusion that they could get hit for significantly more than 20 M, otherwise, they would have tried the case.

imo

[daniel green]

She knew he was a drug addict, she didn't care about those kids.
I am not disrespecting the child, his name is Prince Michael II, Mikey or Mike would be a common nickname. Blanket is disrespectful in my opinion. In fact, I find it disrespectful that he didn't even get his own name at all, just a second time hand me down. Do you think he will want to be called Blanket his whole life?

I wonder if anyone has ever asked him how he feels about it.

Couldn't agree with you more.

[daniel green]

OMG, I had to come out of lurking to have a good laugh. I am rolling on the floor with that one. :lol:

:seeya: For now.

It made me laugh out loud, for real. :laugh:

[daniel green]

How does one so bent on experiencing the "fun and thrill" of bashing other posters presume to pass judgment on others, I wonder? Yet on and on it goes. Day in, day out. Month in, month out. Year in, year out.

B-O-R-I-N-G

Mind-numbingly dull.

[daniel green]

$20,000 is not a nuisance settlement. snipped

It certainly isn't. And there were lawyers' fees for both the accuser's attys and MJ's attys on top of that.

And signing that Agreement for "explicit sexual negligence."

[Emerald]

LaToya went on many talk shows confirming the accusations. IIRC, she wrote a book.

That's my beef with her. Whatever it took then and whatever it takes now to make a $$$ off MJ.

[impartial]

[QUOTE=Nic-A-Day;13446561] SNIPED It would only be reasonable if there weren't all the rest of the children MIchael spent time with who have denied any abuse. And it would only be reasonable if the few accusers had not already been proved to be liars, and extortionists.




No extortion charges were ever filed, but yet you keep spewing that lie just like the Michael Jackson "team".

It's downright STUPID to believe a pedophile molests every child they spend time with.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingki..._US&PageId=469

download it, read it, and learn something.


It is not normal for an adult male to want to share his bed with adolescent boys that are not his own children.

Michael said in his interview something to the effect that what's more loving than sharing his bed. How is it more loving to share his bed than to provide a separate bed and room for his guests. If Michael was the child's gardener and the gardener wanted to share his bed with adolescent boys, what parent in their right mind would allow that.

Just because Michael was a superstar doesn't make him less culpable or less capable of having personality disorders.

imo

[Imperfect4]

ROFLMAO!

Your choice, stay stupid!

<snipped for space>

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/ResourceServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=469

I didn't follow the trial too closely or pay much attention to the initial allegation(s). And I honestly don't have a firm opinion one way or the other on MJ's guilt or innocence.

But I do have to say ... IF the allegations against him are true, then the kids involved have been victimized at least 3 times -- the first by their parents for allowing them to spend so much unsupervised time with any unrelated adult, no matter who he or she is. The second victimization is the molestation itself (if true). And the third victimization is thanks to all the MJ fans who've said horrible things about those children and their families for daring to make accusations against Jackson.

[Imperfect4]

And if they are false... what do you have to say?

ps. I knew the accusers were lying long before becoming a MJ fan.

I say I would always worry about the children, first, before an adult male with ample resources to take care of and defend himself.

Jackson should not have been entertaining unparented, unsupervised random children in his home all hours of the day and night, apparently for weeks on end in some cases. And the parents of those children are guilty of neglect, imo.

It is the children who are always my concern. Not a grown man who imagined himself Peter Pan and put himself into one disaster prone situation after another.

[impartial]

I say I would always worry about the children, first, before an adult male with ample resources to take care of and defend himself.

Jackson should not have been entertaining unparented, unsupervised random children in his home all hours of the day and night, apparently for weeks on end in some cases. And the parents of those children are guilty of neglect, imo.

It is the children who are always my concern. Not a grown man who imagined himself Peter Pan and put himself into one disaster prone situation after another.


Did Michael allow his children to share a bed with other adult males?

[Imperfect4]

Okay, but leaving MJ out of the equation, in general-what do you say about false allegations of child sexual abuse against anyone, and by anyone whether it be for money, or custody dispute, or whatever?

I say when false allegations become the same size problem as the problem of child abuse and neglect in this country, I'll give it more thought.

Until then, as I said, my concern is for the children.

[daniel green]

snipped

But I do have to say ... IF the allegations against him are true, then the kids involved have been victimized at least 3 times -- the first by their parents for allowing them to spend so much unsupervised time with any unrelated adult, no matter who he or she is. The second victimization is the molestation itself (if true). And the third victimization is thanks to all the MJ fans who've said horrible things about those children and their families for daring to make accusations against Jackson.

Totally agree on all 3 counts.

Reprehensible.

[Imperfect4]

Did Michael allow his children to share a bed with other adult males?

Michael didn't allow his children out of the house without disguises ... I'd say the chances are exactly zero he allowed them to share a bed with other adult males.

[impartial]

Okay, but leaving MJ out of the equation, in general-what do you say about false allegations of child sexual abuse against anyone, and by anyone whether it be for money, or custody dispute, or whatever?


And how would any other adult male who broadcasted that they shared their bed with adolescent boys fair?

Michael himself by his own words put those children in his bed. Yet, it's the children who are making false allegations?

I don't get it.

imo

[impartial]

Michael didn't allow his children out of the house without disguises ... I'd say the chances are exactly zero he allowed them to share a bed with other adult males.


but, but, but it's the most loving thing one can do, share their bed. Did Michael not want his children to be so loved in the same manner as he loved other's children.

Rhetorical, no need to answer. :wink:

[Imperfect4]

See thats where we clash. Any false allegation is a huge problem, not just because of the lives it destroys, and the psychological damage to the child who many times is coerced into lying, sometimes against their own parent. False allegations also diminish the resources and credibility of legitimate victims. Just look at the recent case. 18 years this man was allowed to hold captive and rape his victims. How much time and money was wasted during those 18 years, investigating false allegations?

Oh, please. If Garrido had been locked away for good, as he should've been, you'd be wailing about all the innocents who've been railroaded by the justice system.

As I said up thread, when false allegations ever come even remotely close in number to the number of children who've been molested, raped, or otherwise abused in the time it has taken me to post this message, I'll give the subject more thought.

[Imperfect4]

Making false allegations of child abuse is child abuse.

I'm not going to play a game of semantics with you on a subject I feel so strongly about. Sorry.

[impartial]

I just have to say this:

Imperfect and Impartial.. I sure do get your two nics mixed up.. and Unperfect, I get your's mixed up with Impartial, and then by association, with Imperfect. Did you guys plan this or something?
:laugh:

See what I mean... I meant to say "Unperson"

:laugh:

Unperson and I have been posting here since before the Scott Peterson case. You're not the only one that mixes Imperfect and I up. :biggrin:

[Imperfect4]

:laugh:

Unperson and I have been posting here since before the Scott Peterson case. You're not the only one that mixes Imperfect and I up. :biggrin:

I'm version 4 though. That should help you out some. :laugh:

[impartial]

I'm version 4 though. That should help you out some. :laugh:


Are versions 1, 2, & 3 still around? I really hadn't looked closely at your nic when posting, just assumed all Imperfect's posts were yours. Clear as mud :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Are versions 1, 2, & 3 still around? I really hadn't looked closely at your nic when posting, just assumed all Imperfect's posts were yours. Clear as mud :laugh:

Sadly, my former versions RIP. :rose:

[daniel green]

snipped

As I said up thread, when false allegations ever come even remotely close in number to the number of children who've been molested, raped, or otherwise abused in the time it has taken me to post this message, I'll give the subject more thought.

For real, Imperfect.

[daniel green]

Its not normal in American culture, but it is in other cultures.

snipped.

You say that often.

In what culture, pray tell, is it normal for a man to share his bed with boys not related to him? :rolleyes:

[daniel green]

snipped

Jackson should not have been entertaining unparented, unsupervised random children in his home all hours of the day and night, apparently for weeks on end in some cases. And the parents of those children are guilty of neglect, imo.

.

365 days and nights with one boy, according to the testimony at trial.

[Imperfect4]

I think what sickened me most....after the 1993 allegations hit the media, he was so upset.... he called up and ordered another "special" boy be delivered, like a pizza, in the middle of the night...and the boy's MOTHER ALLOWED it!

That also came out during the DEFENSE's presentation.

....barf.......

Sorry I missed all that. Not.

Disgraceful how much value we place on our pop icons vs. the value we place on our children.

[impartial]

365 days and nights with one boy, according to the testimony at trial.


Soooooooo glad I didn't follow the trial.

Where in the heck were his parents. :cursing::cursing:

[daniel green]

Soooooooo glad I didn't follow the trial.

Where in the heck were his parents. :cursing::cursing:

Sick all around, isn't it? It is truly, literally unbelievable that it happened and it was allowed to happen.

Thankfully, I did not follow the trial, either, but have read the VF articles which were horrific eye-openers.

[daniel green]

Crickets...........I knew you'd never get a link;)

Anyone ever heard of any culture, anywhere in the universe, where that is "normal?"

[Cindylee]

Nic-a-Day,

I think I asked you this before, and I don't remember if it was answered, and everything has been deleted. Why did the DA have a personal vendetta against MJ? Had something happened before?

[Xenam]

I didn't follow the trial too closely or pay much attention to the initial allegation(s). And I honestly don't have a firm opinion one way or the other on MJ's guilt or innocence.

But I do have to say ... IF the allegations against him are true, then the kids involved have been victimized at least 3 times -- the first by their parents for allowing them to spend so much unsupervised time with any unrelated adult, no matter who he or she is. The second victimization is the molestation itself (if true). And the third victimization is thanks to all the MJ fans who've said horrible things about those children and their families for daring to make accusations against Jackson.

As one who did follow the trial and believed MJ to be guilty before I heard any evidence; I became convinced that MJ never molested a child. Just too many questions surround every allegation and all pointed to extortion. I paid for and downloaded transcripts daily and compared them to what the media was reporting and since then put no value on what the media reports as I wondered if we were even following the same trial. Instead of reporting the evidence; they reported his eccentricities and why they believed him to be a child molestor instead of reporting the facts and primarily in the US. The foreign newspapers were fairer as was Linda Deutsch AP reporter who did report both sides and even Geraldo was fair. What's even more amazing is that the 1993 boy's mother's attorney even believed MJ did not molest her son and believed it was a case of extortion. An attorney who has first-hand knowledge of the case -- and two grand juries in two different counties failed to indict. JMHO

July 7, 2009, Memory
Michael Jackson, Truth Serum, and False Memories
Press coverage of Michael Jackson omits one key fact.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist/200907/michael-jackson-truth-serum-and-false-memories

Was Michael Jackson Framed?

http://www.usnewslink.com/framedjackson.htm

The Anatomy of a Scam

http://www.geocities.com/nickoblake/jackson.htm

[Xenam]

Television interviews with Jackson make it appear as if he wants to "hang onto and preserve his childlike demeanor," said Dr. Fred Berlin, a psychiatric expert in pedophilia at Johns Hopkins University. "He seems proud of it."

"He seems stuck in childhood himself," said forensic psychiatrist Ryan Finkenbine of West Virginia University Medical School. "It's one of the more interesting aspects of the case."

Michael Borack, a forensic psychiatrist at the University of Cincinnati Medical School, has evaluated many pedophiles, and says Jackson does not fit the usual profile.

His eccentric behavior] is not typical of most offenders," Borack said. "Most offenders are 'normal' people who could be your neighbors, not freaky or weird."

Most pedophiles will keep toys or other such appealing items around to lure children, but they do not usually play with the items much themselves.

Richard Lawlor, chief of Outpatient Forensic Child Psychiatry Services at the Indiana School of Medicine, notes that many pedophiles do display some form of arrested development in that they choose to focus their attention on young children over other adults. "They become 'fixated' during development," Lawlor said. "We don't know why."

However, Lawlor says Jackson's childish demeanor would be rare among pedophiles. "I don't think that kind of behavior is very common," he said.

Some experts feel that pedophiles display a kind of Peter Pan syndrome and use children to hang onto their youth. Berlin cautions that this explanation is perhaps too hasty. "That's getting into a theory of cause, which I think is difficult," he said.

Berlin maintains there is no "typical" pedophile. "That's like saying, 'What is the typical heterosexual?'"

Ken Lanning, a retired FBI special agent who specialized in child sex crimes, says Jackson may fit some of the characteristics of an "acquaintance molester." Acquaintance molesters choose victims outside the family and seduce children with affection and attention.

But, he cautioned, "Just because you have some of the characteristics, it does not mean you are guilty."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=116639&page=1

[Imperfect4]

Xenam,

I appreciate the links you provided in your post #406. I read the first two and might read the third later. (That second one was remarkably long, lol.)

Oddly, the more I read about the details of MJ's relationships with these young boys, even though your links are slanted in his favor, the more uncomfortable I become with the whole idea of this grown man, this huge celebrity, befriending these kids in this extremely odd manner.

I guess I get that MJ didn't have a childhood and so wanted to have one as an adult, but seriously now, what normal adult wouldn't eventually grow through and out of that phase and become bored with only the company of other people's children?

Childhood only lasts a certain number of years for a reason, imo. Then nature arranges it such that we put away the toys of childhood in favor of the pursuits of adulthood. There's just nothing at all natural, imo, about an adult of either sex who stays firmly rooted in adolescence, purposely and deliberately.

At some point, it moves from understandable, innocent and charming to something bordering on sinister. At least in my mind.

I just can't make sense of it. And I don't think it's because I'm being close-minded or suspicious or a "hater." It just doesn't make sense.

[Cindylee]

Xenam,

I appreciate the links you provided in your post #406. I read the first two and might read the third later. (That second one was remarkably long, lol.)

Oddly, the more I read about the details of MJ's relationships with these young boys, even though your links are slanted in his favor, the more uncomfortable I become with the whole idea of this grown man, this huge celebrity, befriending these kids in this extremely odd manner.

I guess I get that MJ didn't have a childhood and so wanted to have one as an adult, but seriously now, what normal adult wouldn't eventually grow through and out of that phase and become bored with only the company of other people's children?

Childhood only lasts a certain number of years for a reason, imo. Then nature arranges it such that we put away the toys of childhood in favor of the pursuits of adulthood. There's just nothing at all natural, imo, about an adult of either sex who stays firmly rooted in adolescence, purposely and deliberately.

At some point, it moves from understandable, innocent and charming to something bordering on sinister. At least in my mind.

I just can't make sense of it. And I don't think it's because I'm being close-minded or suspicious or a "hater." It just doesn't make sense.

The one thing I can't get past, is that after the first allegation, that the insurance company paid, MJ did not think it was important enough to his own children to change his ways. Innocent behavior or not, if you are in trouble once for something, or as some say open to scams, you don't do it again. That is my way of thinking anyway. :shrug:

[Imperfect4]

The one thing I can't get past, is that after the first allegation, that the insurance company paid, MJ did not think it was important enough to his own children to change his ways. Innocent behavior or not, if you are in trouble once for something, or as some say open to scams, you don't do it again. That is my way of thinking anyway. :shrug:

It appears he did as he pleased in every area of his life. And he paid the price. But so did his 3 children, who had no choice in the matter.

[Cindylee]

He was mad that he couldnt get charges the first time, because the boy refused to testify. And then Michael wrote a song about Sneddon, and Sneddon got even madder..

OK thanks.

[Cindylee]

Latoya said: "If I remain silent, then that means that I feel the guilt and humiliation that these children are feeling and I think it's very wrong." Latoya, who spoke at a press conference at a Tel Aviv hotel, said this was the first time she had decided to speak out about her brother, adding: "I never wanted to speak about it." "I have seen cheques payable to the parents of these children," Latoya said, "and I don't know if these children were apparently bought through the parents by Michael or not, but I have seen these cheques and I've seen these cheques through my mother.

"But I think it's sad because I am a victim myself and I know what it feels like and these kids are going to be scarred for the rest of their life and I don't want to see any more innocent small children being affected this way," Latoya said.

The singer added: "I love Michael very dearly but I feel even more sorry for these children because they don't have a life any more.

"Now you stop and you think for one second," she told reporters, "and you tell me, what 35-year-old man is going to take a little boy and stay with him for 30 days and take another boy and stay with him for five days in a room and never leave the room?" Latoya said she too had been a victim of child molestation and this had affected her marriage.

"I have been hurt by it too. My father molested me sexually and I don't like it. I don't like the way it feels to this day and my husband can vouch for this. I will not have a relationship with him because of that. I love him dearly but I cannot.

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist/RTV/1993/12/08/605020115/

:ohmy: I have never read that. I find this statement very believable. I do remember hearing that she later said it wasn't true. But, that would be quite a story to make up. IMO. And why?

[Cindylee]

Did you watch the video link? Took me forever to find it. I believe every stinking word.

If she was lying, it was an Oscar winning performance and she missed her true calling.

I just watched it. My first question is, why would Kathrine have the checks that were paid to the children, or families? And my second question was what the heck was that about kidnapping attempts paid for by MJ?