9/5 to 9/6

[bchand]

Just a heads up. Coming up right now the Law & Order episode that was loosely based on this story.

[101Spots]

I'm off to see the Wizard guys. Hold down the fort. Good night all! :wub:

:seeya: Good night! :wub:

[Pruddennce]

Did they ever ask Casey for a composite drawing?
I thought i read something about that but i will go no further cause I'm a little brain dead tonight.:blushing:

that statement came from the Anthonys and Baez...she was WILLING to get together with the FBI...IIRC....well, CA never spoke to LE again after she was arrested.

no effort was made to get together with them to draw a composite. easily done. no outreach, thank you JB for allowing your client to cooperate (actually wrote a letter to the sheriff pledging cooperation).

in fact, LE issued this statement:

Orange County Sheriff's deputy Carlos Padilla said Baez hasn't returned detectives' calls to set up a meeting.

"The key lies in the mother, and we would hope the lawyer would allow the detectives to speak to her in his presence to find out exactly where this child is," Padilla said. "This lawyer has taken the time to take this to the media, but he's not yet returned the phone calls to discuss this."


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[bchand]

I'm off to see the Wizard guys. Hold down the fort. Good night all! :wub:

Night Lavinia :seeya:

[crimeq]

crimeq, Cindy just can't get past her myspace post on July 3rd.


She came into my life unexpectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don't know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankful for all of the love and support given to her. A mother's love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant; the mother says without hesitation it will be OK. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?


Yes, the jig was up on July 3. So why does it take 'til mid-July for Cindy to locate Casey at TonE's apartment?

What's going on for those two weeks?

That's when Cindy should have involved the police, or CPS, or tried for an Amber Alert. What's she doing (as well as George, former LE) for those two weeks? Why are those two weeks allowed to elapse?

[101Spots]

that statement came from the Anthonys and Baez...she was WILLING to get together with the FBI...IIRC....well, CA never spoke to LE again after she was arrested.

no effort was made to get together with them to draw a composite. easily done. no outreach, thank you JB for allowing your client to cooperate (actually wrote a letter to the sheriff pledging cooperation).

in fact, LE issued this statement:

Orange County Sheriff's deputy Carlos Padilla said Baez hasn't returned detectives' calls to set up a meeting.

"The key lies in the mother, and we would hope the lawyer would allow the detectives to speak to her in his presence to find out exactly where this child is," Padilla said. "This lawyer has taken the time to take this to the media, but he's not yet returned the phone calls to discuss this."


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

This whole case is a freak magnet.

Think about it - who in the entire cast of characters is "normal?" Even "relatively normal?"

I'd settle for "almost normal."

[imc_e]

Good one -- Cindy is indeed obsessed with Casey. But I think her obsession stems from her inability to control Casey in the manner she'd like. I don't think she's obsessed with protecting Casey except as it relates to how she imagines Casey reflects back on HER.

I don't personally see any of Cindy's behavior prior to mid-July as indicative of a knowledge Caylee was dead. But, maybe I just can't see -- or refuse to see.

Ok, what IS clear is this.

The entire family was playing a game, and they are still playing it.

Caylee was a pawn in a tug of war between Cindy and Casey.
They were competetive, jealous and hostile to each other.
Cindy forced Casey to be where she wanted her, and to look after Caylee unless she was working, so Casey made up a fake job.
G&C chased her down to come back and care for HER child.

Then it turned.

Casey played a game back, where Cindy couldn't see Caylee, couldn't speak to Caylee, she cruelly used Caylee EVEN after she had murderered her, to hurt Cindy. She played it for as long as she could turn the knife on Cindy.

At some point, Cindy DID know that Caylee was no longer alive.
What we need to know is when that was.

Either way though, they are all in it together.
Playing a game that now includes LE and the Justice system.

Meanwhile what about Caylee? Why and When did they forget about the most precious gift they were ever given?

When have the Anthonys ever thanked law enforcement, thanked the searchers, thanked the meter reader who finally found her, and thanked US for fighting for justice.

Thanks for letting me vent. :tongueside:

[bchand]

Just a heads up. Coming up right now the Law & Order episode that was loosely based on this story.



So funny - the grandmother is loud and obnoxious, the girl is cleaning her trunk out because some ground chuck was in there she says and the babysitter is Maria and she's ..... missing !!!

[crimeq]

I think Cindy had to make the 911 call because too many people knew about the smell in the car and would have reported it to the police sooner rather than later.If Cindy made the call she would have had some control ,but if someone else made it she would lose all control.

Yes, this could be the change in action, in approach. If C&G were in on the hope-to-have-the-car-stolen plan and then that didn't pan out (Cindy texts to Casey -- call me, major prob) they had to devise another plan.

Reportedly, Cindy drove around with Casey in the car for a few hours, after picking her up at TonE's. Were they strategizing?

In fact, what else would they be doing for a few hours, at that heated time, by driving around in the car?

[AlohaRainbow]

the whole lying syndrome has me fasinated. I can understand lying as a child to avoid getting into trouble etc and even the odd 'mistruths' when you get older but to have an entire family of liars... they even lie to each other for no apparent reason.. its perplexing. :mellow: My parents would never lie for me, even if it was just to miss a day of school. :blush:

the other perplexing thing about the lying is that the whole family does it! (effortlessly, i might add). i can see one person in a family being a pathological liar, but everyone in the immediate household?

must be something in the household environment that gives off fumes - maybe one of the rare (noble) gases such as argon, krypton, xenon, liaron, or fibbon
[ok, so i made up the last 2]

[sunstar]

I think Cindy had to make the 911 call because too many people knew about the smell in the car and would have reported it to the police sooner rather than later.If Cindy made the call she would have had some control ,but if someone else made it she would lose all control.

I agree ~ and George blew it when he had to bring up that smell to the guy in the tow yard!! If he'd just driven the car away without opening the trunk (and his mouth) all would be well and nobody would ever know of Caylee. So Cindy had to regain the control and clean up the mess her husband started at the tow yard. At least in her mind. MOO

[sunstar]

Just a heads up. Coming up right now the Law & Order episode that was loosely based on this story.

I'm watching it! :biggrin:

[bchand]

I'm watching it! :biggrin:

Hillary Duff does a pretty good Casey Anthony imitation doesn't she? (Little smirks here and there.)

[101Spots]

I don't think you would get an answer from either one of them. By the time all this happened they knew nothing about Casey's new group of friends she was hanging around with. They didn't even know who Casey was seeing or anything about TonE, IIRC.
Jesse was the only one they could try and pin it on cause they knew poor Jesse.
And, what about that birthday card to Caylee anyway. There was some talk about the type of card Jesse gave Caylee for her 1st or 2nd birthday. Baez has it.:sneaky:
Do we know exactly what the card said that made them say it was just plain weird. I read it was a card you would give your woman/girlfriend.:confused:
Lenny mentioned it when he was at his taped interview.

Hey, a girl can dream, can't she?

[imc_e]

Yes, the jig was up on July 3. So why does it take 'til mid-July for Cindy to locate Casey at TonE's apartment?

What's going on for those two weeks?

That's when Cindy should have involved the police, or CPS, or tried for an Amber Alert. What's she doing (as well as George, former LE) for those two weeks? Why are those two weeks allowed to elapse?

I just looked at 4 different time lines and they all pause on
June 30th, only one thing in evidence until July 15th, and that is June 4 weekend the Anthonys had a cement slab poured in their backyard.

Aside from that, can anyone find anything in evidence from June 30-July 15?

Caseys friends account for Caseys whereabouts on dates but what about George and Cindy? They were busy?

[crimeq]

well her lovely daughter, the murderer responded back to her the very same day with:

On the worst of worst days,
Remember the words spoken.
Trust no one,
Only yourself.
With great power,
Comes great consequence.
What is given,
Can be taken away.
Everyone lies.
Everyone dies.
Life will never be easy.
on the worst of worst days,
Remember the words spoken.
Hold your head high.
Smile.
Laugh.
Love unconditionally.
Tomorrow is a brand new day.

Currently watching: American Psycho

That was posted the same day? I'd missed that. Very interesting. Do we have timestamps, do we know who posted first? (I'm not on Myspace).

[bchand]

The 911 calls may have been part of the script. If everyone was involved in the knowledge of Caylee's death, they put into place all they needed to do to cover it up--there really was a script. And they needed TIME to build their lies, clear evidence, try to have the car stolen (a fave of mine).

I thought Cindy's third 911 call was real, too (and it may have been). If any of you listen to the Albatross234 youtubes, though, she takes apart that third 911 call, stating that it probably is scripted because Cindy only gets flustered when asked questions by the operator that would be outside the script. I haven't listened to it for quite a while but I found it compelling at the time--enough so that it moved me off the certainty of Cindy's third "distress" call to assume nothing about this case, not even the veracity of Cindy's third 911 call.


I have to say that Cindy discussing "her 911 calls" in the media was one of the first things that had me wondering about her.

As she said to Casey - "which cameo"? I did 3 or 4 of them.
When a reporter was discussing the 911 calls, she felt it very important to point out that the first call hadn't been released yet.

What an odd thing to be so specific about at that time.

[imc_e]

That was posted the same day? I'd missed that. Very interesting. Do we have timestamps, do we know who posted first? (I'm not on Myspace).

I think its long gone from myspace but is available online.

One site said Caseys myspace response was done the same day , but I noted another site stated it was the next day.

jmo

[crimeq]

The part about the matching ankle bracelets seems pretty juvenile, too. I can't remember what else I was reading that she was doing, and tho't--she was acting like a 14 y/o--how did she ever manage holding down a job (back when she did) and draw the attention of any guy over the age of 15, and manage all the parties @ Fusion and the like?

There are guys who like dumb women. There's only one purpose for the women, and that's not to talk.

[imc_e]

This one keeps bugging me.


June 12: George Anthony says Caylee was spotted by friends of the Anthony family in a shopping area near the Orange-Seminole county lines. She was wearing a pink and blue outfit and white-rimmed sunglasses.

http://community.momlogic.com/profiles/blogs/casey-anthony-time-line-of

This timeline has George looking for Caylee before June 15?

[bchand]

That was posted the same day? I'd missed that. Very interesting. Do we have timestamps, do we know who posted first? (I'm not on Myspace).

Cindy posted first on July 3rd. Casey posted on July 7th.

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/06/casey-anthony-timeline-revised-june-1.html

[AnniePie]

All in all I believe some of the best evidence for me is simply this:
31 days before reporting her missing and after Caylee's remains were found not one of the Anthony's has shown any anger towards or effort to find the 'real killer'.

Sometimes the devil is in the details. JMO

Right! And they haven't to this day.
:angry:

[bchand]

This one keeps bugging me.


June 12: George Anthony says Caylee was spotted by friends of the Anthony family in a shopping area near the Orange-Seminole county lines. She was wearing a pink and blue outfit and white-rimmed sunglasses.

http://community.momlogic.com/profiles/blogs/casey-anthony-time-line-of

This timeline has George looking for Caylee before June 15?

That's when they were going with the June 9th date as the last time they saw Caylee I think.

[101Spots]

When did Casey kill Caylee? Wasn't that in June? Casey didn't have much contact with the family IIRC after the June 16? incident. Casey was at the anything but clothes party on the 4th...IIRC.


JMO

ABC party was May 24th.

[sunstar]

Hillary Duff does a pretty good Casey Anthony imitation doesn't she? (Little smirks here and there.)

Yes she sure does!! The "mom" is great too. :wink:

[5boxersmom]

This one keeps bugging me.


June 12: George Anthony says Caylee was spotted by friends of the Anthony family in a shopping area near the Orange-Seminole county lines. She was wearing a pink and blue outfit and white-rimmed sunglasses.

http://community.momlogic.com/profiles/blogs/casey-anthony-time-line-of

This timeline has George looking for Caylee before June 15?

Wasn't Caylee at a mall that day with Casey and Tony?

[Pruddennce]

When did Casey kill Caylee? Wasn't that in June? Casey didn't have much contact with the family IIRC after the June 16? incident. Casey was at the anything but clothes party on the 4th...IIRC.


JMO

hey 2witchy,

she was at the anything but clothes party in May. which was a high point of dissention between her and casey, per Amy. Amy states Casey told her Cindy found the pic ON THE COMPUTER and confronted her about the party because: Cindy was watching Caylee that nite because Casey said SHE HAD TO WORK.

she wasnt working. hey Cindy, was that a CLUE as to almost 2 years of Casey and her supposed job?

prior to that, GA found out she never worked at Sports Authority.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[crimeq]

I just looked at 4 different time lines and they all pause on
June 30th, only one thing in evidence until July 15th, and that is June 4 weekend the Anthonys had a cement slab poured in their backyard.

Aside from that, can anyone find anything in evidence from June 30-July 15?

Caseys friends account for Caseys whereabouts on dates but what about George and Cindy? They were busy?

Did you mean July 4th for the slab in the backyard?

Interesting that all the timelines pause on June 30.

I wonder if they had to pay extra to have the slab poured on July 4th--I'd think so. If so, there was real urgency in getting that slab poured.

[bchand]

hey 2witchy,

she was at the anything but clothes party in May. which was a high point of dissention between her and casey, per Amy. Amy states Casey told her Cindy found the pic ON THE COMPUTER and confronted her about the party because: Cindy was watching Caylee that nite because Casey said SHE HAD TO WORK.

she wasnt working. hey Cindy, was that a CLUE as to almost 2 years of Casey and her supposed job?

prior to that, GA found out she never worked at Sports Authority.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*



lol no RED FLAGS there for Cindy.

[imc_e]

That's when they were going with the June 9th date as the last time they saw Caylee I think.


Right.

But now Im wondering how soon after July 15, did George claim sightings of Caylee..?

[Pruddennce]

Yes, the jig was up on July 3. So why does it take 'til mid-July for Cindy to locate Casey at TonE's apartment?

What's going on for those two weeks?

That's when Cindy should have involved the police, or CPS, or tried for an Amber Alert. What's she doing (as well as George, former LE) for those two weeks? Why are those two weeks allowed to elapse?

which deflates Cindy's statements regarding having contact information for the nanny: she told LE she had her address (video interview).

yet, she never drove over there.

they did nothing when they found out she was local. no further action. same thing they did when she admitted Caylee was 'gone'. they did nothing but defend Casey and lie to the media.

she is a liar. she had no clue where caylee was for almost 2 years while her daughter 'supposedly' worked.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[crimeq]

I have to say that Cindy discussing "her 911 calls" in the media was one of the first things that had me wondering about her.

As she said to Casey - "which cameo"? I did 3 or 4 of them.
When a reporter was discussing the 911 calls, she felt it very important to point out that the first call hadn't been released yet.

What an odd thing to be so specific about at that time.

Red mine. Yes. She was tracking "the plan" perhaps?

That's not a detail I'd know had I just learned my g'daughter had been missing for 31 days.

[AnniePie]

I'm not very good at finding things on youtube. If you wanted to find the post by albatross234 about Cindy's third 911 call, what would you put in the search bar? I'd really like to see/hear that one.

TIA!

[crimeq]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed here or not (sites running together) but know it was under discussion at another site.

When Tracy was in the AntHouse, Cindy asked her if she thought Casey could have lost Caylee at the mall.

A couple of things about that:

1. It could assume a probably/possibly alive Caylee, opening the gamut for Caylee sitings for years to come (fundation $$$).

2. It could explain Lee's question to Casey in first video jail conversation: "Is this like the last time?" Casey may have lost Caylee at the mall once before--that question from Lee has always bothered me.

[Imperfect4]

I don't know if she really knew for sure,but she may have strongly suspected that Casey had done something bad...maybe even killed someone else and she had to cover up that.

More than anyone, George and Cindy knew what Casey was capable of.

[bchand]

Right.

But now Im wondering how soon after July 15, did George claim sightings of Caylee..?

I don't know when she came forward, but Wanda Wery claimed she say Caylee on the plane on July 2nd.

[crimeq]

This one keeps bugging me.


June 12: George Anthony says Caylee was spotted by friends of the Anthony family in a shopping area near the Orange-Seminole county lines. She was wearing a pink and blue outfit and white-rimmed sunglasses.

http://community.momlogic.com/profiles/blogs/casey-anthony-time-line-of

This timeline has George looking for Caylee before June 15?

GREAT catch. Thanks. More hmmmmmmm ....

[Imperfect4]

Yes, the jig was up on July 3. So why does it take 'til mid-July for Cindy to locate Casey at TonE's apartment?

What's going on for those two weeks?

That's when Cindy should have involved the police, or CPS, or tried for an Amber Alert. What's she doing (as well as George, former LE) for those two weeks? Why are those two weeks allowed to elapse?

Imo, because Cindy only used outside help (LE, the rumored "counselor") for leverage in her quest to control her daughter, and not for any other reason. Cindy's arrogance convinced her SHE would handle the situation with Casey.

I know it's hard for normal people to comprehend, but Cindy's arrogance, urge to control everything and everyone, and her goal to keep all the family's dysfunction a secret, took precedence over Caylee's safety. It's as simple and horrific as that. imo

[AnniePie]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed here or not (sites running together) but know it was under discussion at another site.

When Tracy was in the AntHouse, Cindy asked her if she thought Casey could have lost Caylee at the mall.

A couple of things about that:

1. It could assume a probably/possibly alive Caylee, opening the gamut for Caylee sitings for years to come (fundation $$$).

2. It could explain Lee's question to Casey in first video jail conversation: "Is this like the last time?" Casey may have lost Caylee at the mall once before--that question from Lee has always bothered me.

Good point, Crime!

[imc_e]

Did you mean July 4th for the slab in the backyard?

Interesting that all the timelines pause on June 30.

I wonder if they had to pay extra to have the slab poured on July 4th--I'd think so. If so, there was real urgency in getting that slab poured.

oops yes

I meant July 4th weekend the Anthonys had a cement slab poured in their backyard.

Thanks crime, I get dizzy with all the obstruction and babble.

:laugh:

[bchand]

I'm not very good at finding things on youtube. If you wanted to find the post by albatross234 about Cindy's third 911 call, what would you put in the search bar? I'd really like to see/hear that one.

TIA!

Could this be it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRfs4SCaoAk&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7HKvA7qUU8&feature=related

[Imperfect4]

Ok, what IS clear is this.

The entire family was playing a game, and they are still playing it.

Caylee was a pawn in a tug of war between Cindy and Casey.
They were competetive, jealous and hostile to each other.
Cindy forced Casey to be where she wanted her, and to look after Caylee unless she was working, so Casey made up a fake job.
G&C chased her down to come back and care for HER child.

Then it turned.

Casey played a game back, where Cindy couldn't see Caylee, couldn't speak to Caylee, she cruelly used Caylee EVEN after she had murderered her, to hurt Cindy. She played it for as long as she could turn the knife on Cindy.

At some point, Cindy DID know that Caylee was no longer alive.
What we need to know is when that was.

Either way though, they are all in it together.
Playing a game that now includes LE and the Justice system.

Meanwhile what about Caylee? Why and When did they forget about the most precious gift they were ever given?

When have the Anthonys ever thanked law enforcement, thanked the searchers, thanked the meter reader who finally found her, and thanked US for fighting for justice.

Thanks for letting me vent. :tongueside:

I agree with you completely.

The hard thing to swallow, for most of us, is the Anthonys did not regard Caylee's preciousness as highly as their own self-absorption.

[panokatana]

Yes she sure does!! The "mom" is great too. :wink:

Those subtle little things...like...Ashley's (Hillary Duff) shirt tied in that little knot at her side. Seems folks other than we FLBs noticed that little detail.

jmo

[AnniePie]

Could this be it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRfs4SCaoAk&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7HKvA7qUU8&feature=related

bc, you are too kind! Thank you!!!

[Imperfect4]

the other perplexing thing about the lying is that the whole family does it! (effortlessly, i might add). i can see one person in a family being a pathological liar, but everyone in the immediate household?

must be something in the household environment that gives off fumes - maybe one of the rare (noble) gases such as argon, krypton, xenon, liaron, or fibbon
[ok, so i made up the last 2]

:laugh:

ITA with you. What are the odds an entire household suffers from the same personality disorders/defects?

[crimeq]

Cindy posted first on July 3rd. Casey posted on July 7th.

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/06/casey-anthony-timeline-revised-june-1.html

Really interesting, thanks. So we can't really know if it was in direct response to Cindy or not :-(

[crimeq]

That's when they were going with the June 9th date as the last time they saw Caylee I think.

But isn't this funny ... yes they were going with the June 9th date, and already putting into play the plan to start from that date.

Premeditation, much? Looks like it to me.

[imc_e]

But isn't this funny ... yes they were going with the June 9th date, and already putting into play the plan to start from that date.

Premeditation, much? Looks like it to me.

Exactly. There are a host of dismissed Caylee sightings that took place immediately after the 911 call.

The first one I can find was the little girl at the airport that said her name was Caylee Antony. Like that A N T O N Y.

Recall that one? It was July.

[Imperfect4]

.....GROSS....


....yukie....


:tonguewag:

Sorry. Couldn't resist. :laugh:

I rarely use it, either.

[msgatorslayer]

hey 2witchy,

she was at the anything but clothes party in May. which was a high point of dissention between her and casey, per Amy. Amy states Casey told her Cindy found the pic ON THE COMPUTER and confronted her about the party because: Cindy was watching Caylee that nite because Casey said SHE HAD TO WORK.

she wasnt working. hey Cindy, was that a CLUE as to almost 2 years of Casey and her supposed job?

prior to that, GA found out she never worked at Sports Authority.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Zanny must have had a hot date that night!! Because Casey was such a good mother and Zanny was so proud of her, she wouldn't miss watching Caylee for free for just any ole reason. Poor Zachary, guess he was with his Grama that night as well.:biggrin:

[bchand]

Really interesting, thanks. So we can't really know if it was in direct response to Cindy or not :-(

No we don't know if Casey even saw Cindy's. (I doubt they "friended" each other.)

[crimeq]

Oh thank you for the quote. This is dated July 3rd. Is Cindy trying to make herself look good? Cindy did not mean for any one but Casey to see that. That is the most honesty I've ever heard from the Anthony's yet that was before.

Thanks crimeq.

imc_e posted it -- thanks to imc_e from me too. :smile:

[bchand]

Exactly. There are a host of dismissed Caylee sightings that took place immediately after the 911 call.

The first one I can find was the little girl at the airport that said her name was Caylee Antony. Like that A N T O N Y.

Recall that one? It was July.

That was Wanda Wery and her son. She claimed they spoke with Caylee.

[sunstar]

Those subtle little things...like...Ashley's (Hillary Duff) shirt tied in that little knot at her side. Seems folks other than we FLBs noticed that little detail.

jmo

Sure did! It was one of the best episodes with all the attention to little details! :wink:

[crimeq]

I'm not very good at finding things on youtube. If you wanted to find the post by albatross234 about Cindy's third 911 call, what would you put in the search bar? I'd really like to see/hear that one.

TIA!

This is part 1 (there are 3 parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRfs4SCaoAk&feature=channel_page

[crimeq]

Imo, because Cindy only used outside help (LE, the rumored "counselor") for leverage in her quest to control her daughter, and not for any other reason. Cindy's arrogance convinced her SHE would handle the situation with Casey.

I know it's hard for normal people to comprehend, but Cindy's arrogance, urge to control everything and everyone, and her goal to keep all the family's dysfunction a secret, took precedence over Caylee's safety. It's as simple and horrific as that. imo

You're probably right about this, Perf, but there are the several 911 calls placed from the AntHouse prior to this tragic Caylee event.

I would expect Cindy to be frantic and pulling out all the stops during this period.

[happygert]

Right! And they haven't to this day.
:angry:

Nor will they.. they know who the "REAL KILLER IS" No need to look..

just like there was ne need to search for Caylee they knew exactly where she was...

[crimeq]

No we don't know if Casey even saw Cindy's. (I doubt they "friended" each other.)

I think I remember Cindy saying that was her first post, that she'd joined for the specific reason of hoping Casey would "friend" her.

I think it's unlikely that she did and consequently unlikely that she saw Cindy's post.

Casey wouldn't even take Cindy's calls or answer text messages, she sure wasn't going to add her as a "friend" on a social network.

I wonder if Lee was a friend on her social network sites.

[imc_e]

You're probably right about this, Perf, but there are the several 911 calls placed from the AntHouse prior to this tragic Caylee event.

I would expect Cindy to be frantic and pulling out all the stops during this period.

On July 15th, Cindys first 2 calls to 911, she does not mention Caylee.

It was all about Casey. Caylee who?

Oh ya, that was the 3rd 911 call. :closedeyes:

[imc_e]

I don't know whats happening to the board but still posting here.

I am looking at how soon the Anthonys starting cleaning the car after they brought it from the tow yard. Looks like it was cleaned immediately. The car smelled like human decomposition so they cleaned out the trunk right away??

Furman to Greta-Now, what's odd is, is when the vehicle was impounded and George Anthony two weeks later goes to recover it, he goes there and he starts cleaning out the car, leaves the impound yard, goes and gets some gas, comes back. And then he comes and they report this odor to the police.

Well, George and Cynthia, while they're there with the police, they say, Oh, I cleaned out the car and I threw away this -- this bag of garbage. So the police go back out to Johnson's Tow and recover it out of the garbage can in which they threw it, and that is what is in dispute. Now, what didn't make it out of the garbage can into police evidence, that's up to argument on both sides, I guess.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484884,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

[AnniePie]

I don't know whats happening to the board but still posting here.

I am looking at how soon the Anthonys starting cleaning the car after they brought it from the tow yard. Looks like it was cleaned immediately. The car smelled like human decomposition so they cleaned out the trunk right away??

Furman to Greta-Now, what's odd is, is when the vehicle was impounded and George Anthony two weeks later goes to recover it, he goes there and he starts cleaning out the car, leaves the impound yard, goes and gets some gas, comes back. And then he comes and they report this odor to the police.

Well, George and Cynthia, while they're there with the police, they say, Oh, I cleaned out the car and I threw away this -- this bag of garbage. So the police go back out to Johnson's Tow and recover it out of the garbage can in which they threw it, and that is what is in dispute. Now, what didn't make it out of the garbage can into police evidence, that's up to argument on both sides, I guess.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484884,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

What's happening with the board? What am I missing?

Hubs out of town, CE? Mine too. :smile:

[imc_e]

What's happening with the board? What am I missing?

Hubs out of town, CE? Mine too. :smile:

Ya :smile: he's filming all night, Marmaduke, a feature about a great dane dog (from the comics)

Maybe the board just slowed down for the evening shift. :smile:

[imc_e]

crime I thought Tracy was younger, I could be wrong tho.

But I did find this for a giggle.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo89/CasuallyCool/gatie-3.jpg

[drip~drop1]

Ya :smile: he's filming all night, Marmaduke, a feature about a great dane dog (from the comics)

Maybe the board just slowed down for the evening shift. :smile:

i simply adore marmaduke!:wub:
the newest doc dump has been quite interesting. couldn't handle listening to ca interview so i just read summaries of others that endured it.

[imc_e]

i simply adore marmaduke!:wub:
the newest doc dump has been quite interesting. couldn't handle listening to ca interview so i just read summaries of others that endured it.

Nice to see you tonite drip drop.

I hear you, about listening to CA interviews.

Sometimes its just not a good idea! :smile:

[crimeq]

crime I thought Tracy was younger, I could be wrong tho.

But I did find this for a giggle.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo89/CasuallyCool/gatie-3.jpg

LOL this is great!

Re: Tracy, I deleted the post about her possible website. It doesn't seem to me like they can be the same person.

Re: her age, she has a son old enough to be attractive to Casey (Casey looked at his picture and said he's her future husband) and I think ??? Tracy also mentioned a grandchild.

[imc_e]

LOL this is great!

Re: Tracy, I deleted the post about her possible website. It doesn't seem to me like they can be the same person.

Re: her age, she has a son old enough to be attractive to Casey (Casey looked at his picture and said he's her future husband) and I think ??? Tracy also mentioned a grandchild.

Oh thats right, Casey made a comment that she was going to marry her son. Skank or what.

[drip~drop1]

Nice to see you tonite drip drop.

I hear you, about listening to CA interviews.

Sometimes its just not a good idea! :smile:
always nice to see you and everyone here. :)
she went on and on and on and over others. throwing yuri under the bus, wanting Allen, then trying to throw him under the bus. Not good enough le, omgosh--they went to her home without making an appt. Just waaay to weird for me. not to mention the whiney voice. errr.
ca--a woman who just needs everything done her way or forget about her participating....even if it involves her "missing" grand daughter.:huh:
my head just can't spin that fast. lol

[imc_e]

always nice to see you and everyone here. :)
she went on and on and on and over others. throwing yuri under the bus, wanting Allen, then trying to throw him under the bus. Not good enough le, omgosh--they went to her home without making an appt. Just waaay to weird for me. not to mention the whiney voice. errr.
ca--a woman who just needs everything done her way or forget about her participating....even if it involves her "missing" grand daughter.:huh:
my head just can't spin that fast. lol

I had to turn it off.

HOW does anyone follow her babble.

Who talks like that. :blink:

[AnniePie]

LOL this is great!

Re: Tracy, I deleted the post about her possible website. It doesn't seem to me like they can be the same person.

Re: her age, she has a son old enough to be attractive to Casey (Casey looked at his picture and said he's her future husband) and I think ??? Tracy also mentioned a grandchild.

Hmmm... I wonder how old a guy has to be to be attractive to Lil Miss Sleaz... I mean Casey. :confused:

[AnniePie]

Question here. Sorry if this was answered before.

Will Casey Anthony have a chance to make a plea deal? Now after all this evidance against her is pouring all over? Or is it to late for her?
I really don´t see her not being guilty of the crime of murdering her own sweet and precious daughter.
So, is there still a window for her?

LL

I still can say I would have taken that little one with no blink.

I don't know the answers to your questions LL as I'm in Canada and the Justice system is different here. I just want to ask you... what time it is there? I'm on the West Coast and it's now 10:27 PM.

(And BTW, your English is phenomenal.)

[legalmania]

I have read more than a half dozen times about tube socks. Share it with me. Who had the audacity to wear tube socks.
George IIRC does not wear socks with his shorts, right?
I think he wore shorts and sandals to his last/final deposition with M&M.

(MO) AL may not have the proper attire to be in court. I always thought when I went to court that all the attorneys should dress professional. It gives them a sense of respect for themselves and the court.
AL was dressed at the last hearing how one would dress if they were going shopping on a weekend. Her hair was atrocious.:w00t:
That my opinion.

But her hair always looks like that don't you think. She has uncontrollable hair. I would think with her money she would fix it.

[legalmania]

The state would never agree to a plea, my opinion.
I'm no legal buff (far from it) just a guess but I think they have that window up to the trial. After the trial begins than it is a NO. my opinion

Baez would never consider it because he is in this for the long haul for financial gain. My opinion.

Anybody else?:confused:

Well being a paralegal, I don't think they will do a plea deal either. Unless something drastic comes up. Are you trying to bold? Because I see a lot of [b]. Also did you mean window of opportunity. I'm not picking on you just making sure I'm understanding what you're saying.

[legalmania]

Oh :wub: thanks. But I´m cheating a little bit. There is another tab open with a dictionary on it :blushing: ! But I think I´ve learned quite a bit by reading this board. Don´t know if my speaking skills would be the same.

It´s 7.30h in the morning here.

And here you can make a plea deal even during court. Or afterwards and try to get a lesser charge.

LL

What is the date? If you don't mind answering.

[legalmania]

crime I thought Tracy was younger, I could be wrong tho.

But I did find this for a giggle.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo89/CasuallyCool/gatie-3.jpg


You guys...

[happygert]

Regarding Casey´s clothes at the last motion hearing...
I´ve read that Orange County Jail inmates are not allowed to have their own clothes even in front of the court.
They have to pick something that is available from jail.
Maybe that´s why Ms Lyon was also looking not that "good" in hers. She didn´t want to look better than Casey, lol.

And I have to say. I hate tube socks on men.

LL
jmo

I don't think thats true.. remember when cindy sent clothes the first time and there was a Caylee bracelet in her socks? baez got into trouble for the "contraband" .. baez or one of her attorneys brings in her clothes.. dont know if cindy sends them or who.. but i'm putting my money on cindy sending them..

[legalmania]

Hi legal..Yes, opportunity. Just a wild guess on my part. It just made sense to me. You being a para legal what is the answers.
Thanks..

First of all Baez can't do the DP he is not qualified, but at this stage of the game the prosecution isn't going to take a plea. Why should they? There is so much reasonable doubt that Baez doesn't have a chance. Unless Chris Angel can create a case of smoke and mirrors. Even that would be a stretch. It's going to be interesting that is for sure.

[legalmania]

09/06/2009
ll

Just wondering so it's Sunday there also. But it's about 4 hrs ahead?

[happygert]

Allright, now talking to myself here but what the heck. Perhaps someone will answer that during the day.

If someone out of the Anthony family will see the light and tell the truth....you think they could make a deal for themselves. `Cause I see them being charged after the trial with misconduct and lying to LE.

LL
jmo

NO ONE from the A family will ever tell the TRUTH!... IMO they all are big LIARS!.. They will lie to the end... hopefully they will all be charged after the murder trial.. Don't know why this whole family thinks they ARE above the law.. The laws that apply to all the rest of us they seem to think dont apply to them.. How many of us would have got by with lying to LE and FBI, giving the wrong evidence to FBI? I know I wouldn't have..I wouldn't have gotten by with Tampering with and destroying evidence, hindering in on going investigation, not handing over evidence that the SA office subpoenaed, then send my lawyer in to lie for me and say computer was broke, then not showing up when the SA office subpoenaed me for depos...They sent a deputy to bring her in if she wasnt supposed to be there before why did they send deputy to escort her in?. IMO bc told them she'd be there and didn't show so thats why the deputy escort.. Hell I'd been sitting I jail for contempt..

[legalmania]

I don't think thats true.. remember when cindy sent clothes the first time and there was a Caylee bracelet in her socks? baez got into trouble for the "contraband" .. baez or one of her attorneys brings in her clothes.. dont know if cindy sends them or who.. but i'm putting my money on cindy sending them..

When I worked for the Broward County DA we got clothes from the family. The guards had to inspect them though.

[happygert]

When I worked for the Broward County DA we got clothes from the family. The guards had to inspect them though.

Thats what I thought.. That someone brought in the clothes or they wore what they wore in the jail...

[legalmania]

NO ONE from the A family will ever tell the TRUTH!... IMO they all are big LIARS!.. They will lie to the end... hopefully they will all be charged after the murder trial.. Don't know why this whole family thinks they ARE above the law.. The laws that apply to all the rest of us they seem to think dont apply to them.. How many of us would have got by with lying to LE and FBI, giving the wrong evidence to FBI? I know I wouldn't have..I wouldn't have gotten by with Tampering with and destroying evidence, hindering in on going investigation, not handing over evidence that the SA office subpoenaed, then send my lawyer in to lie for me and say computer was broke, then not showing up when the SA office subpoenaed me for depots...They sent a deputy to bring her in if she wasn't supposed to be there before why did they send deputy to escort her in?. IMO bc told them she'd be there and didn't show so that's why the deputy escort.. Hell I'd been sitting I jail for contempt..

I think they sent a deputy for her safety. I don't think the A's will ever be prosecuted for anything they have done so far. L.E. doesn't want to look bad for picking on two grieving grandparents. Now if she lies on the stand under oath that directly conflicts her depos, she could get contempt, which may be a small fine.

[happygert]

Hi Gert,

must have missed that one. Try to find this info right away now.
Thx.
LL

If Cindy or anyone else familiar are sending these clothes for her....
It´s very telling....I think.


Hi Lucky,
Yep they had bracelet hid in her socks like no one would check and see if there was anything in them..duh she's in jail..

Yes I think she's doing a couple of things in the way of the clothes.. trying to play down the way she used to dress before, and her mom's trying to make her look frumpy..and it's cindys way of not letting casey look better then her.....telling her now you'll look how I want you to and there's not a damn thing you can do about it..

[legalmania]

4 hrs ahead of your time? My time is GMT + 1 but we still have summertime so it´s GMT + 2.

Nice to see you Legal :blush:!
And thx for your input here on board. People like me couldn´t catch up without information from people like you!
It´s interesting to compare the justice systems.

LL

Well I do the best I can, it's been a couple of yrs since I worked for the D.A. what a zoo. South Florida is the arm pit of the US. I moved to a quite town with no crime. I volunteer my time helping the elderly and the people who can't afford attorneys. I can't represent them but I show them how to win, by filing the right paper work.

[happygert]

I think they sent a deputy for her safety. I don't think the A's will ever be prosecuted for anything they have done so far. L.E. doesn't want to look bad for picking on two grieving grandparents. Now if she lies on the stand under oath that directly conflicts her depos, she could get contempt, which may be a small fine.

Why for her safety? no threats they go all over with no one protecting them.. I think it's because the week before they were going to court to hold cindy and george in contempt.. then bc goes and hands over what the SA office wanted.. IMO bc made a deal that cindy would be there on Monday.. Monday came and went no cindy then on Tuesday here comes cindy with the deputy..IIRc no deputy walked her out Tuesday and no deputy walked in her or out on Wednesday....... IMO it wasn't for her safety.. Heck when cindy and george is out in public IMO its the public who needs protecting..

[legalmania]

Why for her safety? no threats they go all over with no one protecting them.. I think it's because the week before they were going to court to hold cindy and george in contempt.. then bc goes and hands over what the SA office wanted.. IMO bc made a deal that cindy would be there on Monday.. Monday came and went no cindy then on Tuesday here comes cindy with the deputy.. IMO it wasn't for her safety.. Heck when cindy and george is out in public IMO its the public who needs protecting..

You know she's a drama queen, thinking the cameras might be there she wanted it to be a big deal. Here in Georgia they don't even mention them.

[happygert]

It wouldn´t be one of those bracelets, would it? :ohmy:

LL

It was one of the Caylee bracelets like cindy and george wear.. Just as sickening as seeing them wear the Caylee missing tee-shirts..

[legalmania]

Really? Grieving grandparents?
OK, that´s diplomacy I believe. But would it be right? I don´t think so.

LL
jmo

I know you don't agree but that's the way the media would portray it. So far these two have done nothing except stick by their daughter, and grieved for their granddaughter.

[Sorrento]

Question here. Sorry if this was answered before.

Will Casey Anthony have a chance to make a plea deal? Now after all this evidance against her is pouring all over? Or is it to late for her?
I really don´t see her not being guilty of the crime of murdering her own sweet and precious daughter.
So, is there still a window for her?

LL

I still can say I would have taken that little one with no blink.

It looks like other posters have answered you question but I thought I would add this. She evidently had a chance for a plea bargain back in Sept. 2008, but she refused to take it.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/03/casey-anthony-case--4.html
After the forensic evidence came back and the body was found, I think her window of opportunity for a plea bargain was history. Like other posters, I just can't imagine that the State would agree to a plea at this point. There's so much evidence. I get angry when I think of all of the hours that LE put into this case (dealing with the lies and misdirections), along with so many volunteers and Tim Miller searching for Caylee, so it's difficult for me to see a plea as an option.

I'm curious, are many people in Europe following this case? Has it been covered on TV or just in the newpapers?

[happygert]

Really? Grieving grandparents?
OK, that´s diplomacy I believe. But would it be right? I don´t think so.

LL
jmo

ITA Lucky.. those people IMO are NOT grieving grandparents.. the only time they "ACT" like that is in front of a Judge ... when they don't want anyone to know what casey did to Caylee when they wanted that autopsy sealed so everyone wouldn't know about the duct tape. or when they are in front of a camera being paid.. They sent bc out to lie about the duct tape.. .. he said there was no duct tape.. he's just as much of a liar as the A's are..or when george wanted to use it as an excuse to walk out of the depos cause they said Caylee's remains.. any other time they can't even remember Caylee's name..

These people imo have never acted like grandparents let alone grieving ones.. They never even helped searched for Caylee, they bad mouthed everyone who did look for her.. never once said thank you to anyone..
They are living off of their dead granddaughter .. Not one have worked one day since July 16th of 08.. got bills paid now and at casey's bond hearing they were behind in their bills and $58,000 dollars in debt just with credit cards now paid down less then $2,000 dollars.. all bills are paid and they've even added a few.. I guess casey has done something right for once she's made it where her mom and dad will never have to work again... There's a lot of money for cindy and george to make off of a MURDERED BABY...their granddaughter.. I guess cindy thinks Caylee owes her this for everything cindy did for Caylee for 2 years... Oh yes I can see where they are grieving alright.. crying everytime they walk in the bank and laughing on the way out..

[legalmania]

I would love to talk some more but I'm recovering from the swine flu. So Caylee my love go play in the trees and run with the horses. Freedom is yours baby girl and justice is on your side. :rose::seeya:

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[happygert]

So, presumed with Caylee´s ashes inside? That´s sick.
Didn´t know that Gert, Thx.

oouuhh, this gives me a shiver....

LL

No this was one of the plastic ones cindy had made they are purple and white.. the ones cindy was still selling with the missing tee shirts after Caylee's remains were found..

[happygert]

I would love to talk some more but I'm recovering from the swine flu. So Caylee my love go play in the trees and run with the horses. Freedom is yours baby girl and justice is on your side. :rose::seeya:

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Oh Legal hope you get better soon...hugs gert..

[Postergeist]

Cindy said she was on vacation all week because her birthday was the 5th, and she had Caylee all week.[/I]

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/08/casey-anthony-timeline-revised-aug-26.html


But why do I recall that she had a week off and waited to have Caylee but that Casey didn't bring her home?

The Anthonys confuse on purpose, I swear its a part of the script.

<snipped>

Hi ya imc- I read ahead to see if anyone answered you on this- noticed they didn't, so I hope you read back to see this, lol.


IRRC, it was in the Shirley Plesea interviews and possibly her emails she shared with LE about this, she felt bad for Cindy- taking the vacay time off and not having Caylee like it was planned.

Originally the A's were supposed to go visit George's parents IRRC elsewhere in FL, but cancelled those plans (or Cindy stayed home & George went on without her ? ) as Cindy was to have time with Caylee (which of course, Casey never produced Caylee).

[happygert]

<snipped>

Hi ya imc- I read ahead to see if anyone answered you on this- noticed they didn't, so I hope you read back to see this, lol.


IRRC, it was in the Shirley Plesea interviews and possibly her emails she shared with LE about this, she felt bad for Cindy- taking the vacay time off and not having Caylee like it was planned.

Originally the A's were supposed to go visit George's parents IRRC elsewhere in FL, but cancelled those plans (or Cindy stayed home & George went on without her ? ) as Cindy was to have time with Caylee (which of course, Casey never produced Caylee).


Hi Poster.. yes and casey didnt even show up for cindys birthday.. so they must have been having one heck of a doosey that week too.. IIRC cindy had Caylee that day but casey didnt show up and cindy was pi$$ed off..IIRC it was her 50th..

[happygert]

It looks like other posters have answered you question but I thought I would add this. She evidently had a chance for a plea bargain back in Sept. 2008, but she refused to take it.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/03/casey-anthony-case--4.html
After the forensic evidence came back and the body was found, I think her window of opportunity for a plea bargain was history. Like other posters, I just can't imagine that the State would agree to a plea at this point. There's so much evidence. I get angry when I think of all of the hours that LE put into this case (dealing with the lies and misdirections), along with so many volunteers and Tim Miller searching for Caylee, so it's difficult for me to see a plea as an option.

I'm curious, are many people in Europe following this case? Has it been covered on TV or just in the newpapers?

Yes that was before the murder charges came down.. IIRC it was a deal that incuded that she tell the TRUTH and tell where Caylee was.. No way was she ever going to tell where Caylee was or was she ever going to tell the TRUTH..IMO no plea deals will be offered again..

[Postergeist]

I have read more than a half dozen times about tube socks. Share it with me. Who had the audacity to wear tube socks.


<snipped>

Hi Deannalynn- hopefully you'll read back to catch this-

Lee was on video during one of his "scenes" at the A's last year, when he's not real happy and he's destroying the markers/posters/memorials left in memory of Caylee.

That day he was wearing tube socks up to his knees and shorts.

Here is a still photo shot from that day-

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t4oP8syfXTk/0.jpg

Here's the video from that day-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Tlux4MOHk

also here at this link

http://www.strimoo.com/video/14965515/Lee-Anthony-Takes-Memorial-Site-By-Well-Wishers-Down-par-POETIC-JUSTIC-MySpaceVideos.html


(anyone know if he's on a softball or soccer team? May explain why he's wearing the socks, maybe he had a game to play later, or had one earlier?)

[Postergeist]

Hi Poster.. yes and casey didnt even show up for cindys birthday.. so they must have been having one heck of a doosey that week too.. IIRC cindy had Caylee that day but casey didnt show up and cindy was pi$$ed off..IIRC it was her 50th..

mornin' gert- yes, it seems that Casey made herself scarce when it came to family gatherings and celebrations last year.

Apparently Father's Day didn't matter enough for her to want to see her own granddad or to do something special for her father either.

If the party wasn't FOR her, guess she didn't think she needed to show up.

It seems like 2008 was very much a "summer of her discontent" with her family, and only cared about her latest fling.

[happygert]

mornin' gert- yes, it seems that Casey made herself scarce when it came to family gatherings and celebrations last year.

Apparently Father's Day didn't matter enough for her to want to see her own granddad or to do something special for her father either.

If the party wasn't FOR her, guess she didn't think she needed to show up.

It seems like 2008 was very much a "summer of her discontent" with her family, and only cared about her latest fling.

Ita.. she has to be center and so does cindy cant imagine everything Little Caylee seen and went thru in her short little life.. Im sure she seen many tempers in that house including georges.. Poor Caylee didnt have a chance.. I also whole heartly believe that Caylee was abused by both cindy and casey... Those videos one in bathtub who ever was taking that one she was playing and laughing then all of a sudden she was backing away from camera and crying.. The one of Fathers day with her great grandpa she looked at the person taking the video and snuggled closer to her grandpa and we know cindy was behind that camera.. In Caylee's pictures I really don't see where she really looks like a happy child.. her smiles look fake to me.. mo..

[Postergeist]

I would love to talk some more but I'm recovering from the swine flu. So Caylee my love go play in the trees and run with the horses. Freedom is yours baby girl and justice is on your side. :rose::seeya:

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Now playing: Bette Midler - Wind Beneath My Wings (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/bette_midler/track/wind_beneath_my_wings)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes com/signatunes/)

oh, I'm sorry you've got that-

here's Elmo's reminder for how to avoid being sick like our legalmania is-

wash, wash, wash, Elmo's not touching

http://www.flu.gov/psa/index.html#elmo

(I hope the miserable phase is over for you)

[happygert]

Hi gert and good morning. Hope your hand is doing better.

Casey giving a full confession with the when, where, how and whys would be quite fine..
This we will never know.
Of course, this is the real world.:punch:
There, I smacked myself for thinking such a ridiculous thought.

Hi Good Morning to you Deannalynn... nope she'll never confess..LOL.. we can all hope that she'll finally get with the real world but we all know that will never happen.. I'm a firm believer in children learn what they live.. I think casey was brought up with a house full of liars.. and a narcissistic mother.. imo both are just a like narcissistic lying psychopaths.. Just makes me wonder if cindy isn't just like casey in ever sense of the word...cindy sure like to wiggle a lot to..

[Postergeist]

I agree with you gert-

both Cindy and Casey compete for center stage- and like imc_e posted just last night-

"Cindy is obsessed with Casey".

I did post several links yesterday morning of Caylee looking happy and smiling, while those aren't seen as much, they did show her joy, however fleeting it was.

Here's another sweet picture of Caylee

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/071708missingtoddler/1/imgLg/caylee_007.jpg

There were so many amazing, astute, great, succinct posts from yesterday thru-out the evening I was bowled over! Too many for me to quote separately, it'd fill up a page.

Maybe later I'll try to quote snippets in just one post- we seem to have the greatest minds here, no matter the level of education, the common sense and a life experiences that have so many with great insight.

If only Casey would've had some parental figures like our posters, maybe some of their good would've rubbed off on her- and she would've done the right thing by putting little Caylee up for adoption and far away from her and her kin.

I agree- the silent videos are just odd and uncomfortable, creepy.

[Postergeist]

Hi poster...
Thanks for the links.
Lee looks like he's dressed to go play some soccer or something but I can't imagine doing that if things were the way they are with a family and the niece being murdered.
But then again, this is the Anthony's.:rolleyes:

JMO

yw Deannalynn :smile:

whew! Glad you're on to see that- I know others have posted that they were out of the loop on the tube sock talk, but your post was the one I grabbed.

I know- this family proves they aren't text book in what the rest of us think as *normal*- maybe they will never consider Caylee as being murdered just "away" and now "employed" with overseeing other children- the patron saint of missing (but not murdered!) children.

[happygert]

I agree with you gert-

both Cindy and Casey compete for center stage- and like imc_e posted just last night-

"Cindy is obsessed with Casey".

I did post several links yesterday morning of Caylee looking happy and smiling, while those aren't seen as much, they did show her joy, however fleeting it was.

Here's another sweet picture of Caylee

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/071708missingtoddler/1/imgLg/caylee_007.jpg

There were so many amazing, astute, great, succinct posts from yesterday thru-out the evening I was bowled over! Too many for me to quote separately, it'd fill up a page.

Maybe later I'll try to quote snippets in just one post- we seem to have the greatest minds here, no matter the level of education, the common sense and a life experiences that have so many with great insight.

If only Casey would've had some parental figures like our posters, maybe some of their good would've rubbed off on her- and she would've done the right thing by putting little Caylee up for adoption and far away from her and her kin.

I agree- the silent videos are just odd and uncomfortable, creepy.

Thanks Poster I wasn't on here much yesterday or today popping on and off when Grandson was napping.. I haven't had time to really check out the posts....reading a few of them..

Yes ITA about cindy and casey fighting to be center..

Yes there is a lot of great posters on here..With a lot of insight and common sense..

Common sense or lack there of is in all the A's..Common sense tell s you that no matter what you protect a 2 year old.. even if you are protecting her from your own daughter.. IMO cindy didnt want Caylee anymore then casey did.. IMO cindy used Caylee to keep rubbing it in caseys face that she got pregnant and wasn't married. casey resented cindy for making her keep Caylee and casey absolutely hated Caylee..

Yes ITA if Caylee was put up for adoption she wold have been with a loving family who would have protected her and gave their life for her.. If she had been adopted she would have still been alive today..

[happygert]

ITA, gert.
When a child looks scared like Caylee did it wasn't anything good.
I think it was Casey who Caylee was frightened of. I don't think Casey ever treated Caylee like the beautiful little baby she was and Casey resented Caylee. Casey had to be front and center at all times and once Caylee was born and home, those days were over.
I think Cindy knew all along how Casey felt and she edged her on when she was angry with her.
Little Caylee had to witness a lot in the short few years she was in the house. No matter how old Caylee was I think she could sense the bad vibes and tension in the house. You can't make up for the things that were said and done in that house. One minute you are screaming and yelling and the next you're handing the kid Ice cream and pretending there's nothing wrong.
Caylee was like any other child (confused) but, she knew what was happening around her.
She was a very sad little girl and it was as a result of both Casey and Cindy.

JMO

Deannalynn ,I agree that she looks so sad . There's something with her eyes.. when a Child smiles their whole face lights up eyes sparkle.. I dont see that in Caylee's pictures.. Im sure she did sense the vibes.. Have you ever been around a new nervous mother? The baby cries and cries every time the mother gets around the baby until she finally relaxes. even babies can feel the tension..

[happygert]

Deannalynn and Poster going to try and get a little sleep Grandson will probably be up in an hour of so.. So I'll see ya later today..

This is going to be a busy week with the court hearing Tuesday and Wednesday.. just wondering if bc will show up for this hearing or if he'll have another back problem?

Dang I'll have to check and see what times the hearing are forgot already.....lol

:seeya: later .. Have a good day

[Postergeist]

No doubt Deanna, that Caylee was a tiny victim in that house of malcontents and it affected her little spirit.

However, this is likely what AL will try to produce to the jurors- the "yeah but" defense- why Casey should be spared because just look at her family.

She may have all of her students culling our site and Topix forums picking posts that show how many do blame her parents for why she is the way she is and did the things she did.

But the jury doesn't get to set down any punishment for G & C & L.

The A's got their attorney early on in the game to do the spin doctoring- 'these people are grieving grandparents, they love and support their daughter' the modern day Cleaver family- it was always just lovely amongst the whole family... :rolleyes: not!

The problem that AL will have is to try to substantiate ANYTHING her client will tell her as far as past traumatic events in her life.

You've got the whole family denying to LE that there was ever any sort of fall out, disagreement, cross words during the fatal summer for Caylee. You've got Cindy saying that Casey is her best friend...

There aren't any outsiders that she can call that can say they saw weirdo stuff prior to Caylee's murder within this family. So she's going to have to call the family on the stand.

Remember that one neighbor- saying he heard and saw Casey yelling at her mom, but that Cindy didn't raise her voice back? Well, he wouldn't make a good witness as to the evilness of Cindy there.

I guess she can do like Casey does, and just invent imaginary people to say- oh when Casey was 5, their was a perverted bus driver, janitor, school teacher that did X- but she's forgotten the name because it was so awful- then when she was 12 some stranger wearing a mask attacked her and was never caught- then when she was...and she kept it all to herself, except for her diary, which she later burned...

[Postergeist]

Thanks Poster I wasn't on here much yesterday or today popping on and off when Grandson was napping.. I haven't had time to really check out the posts....reading a few of them..


Common sense or lack there of is in all the A's..Common sense tell s you that no matter what you protect a 2 year old.. even if you are protecting her from your own daughter.. IMO cindy didnt want Caylee anymore then casey did.. IMO cindy used Caylee to keep rubbing it in caseys face that she got pregnant and wasn't married. casey resented cindy for making her keep Caylee and casey absolutely hated Caylee..


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Oh gert- how beautifully true that is-

common sense DOES tell everyone else in the world that has it, that yes- you'd protect a child- no matter what.

And I think the jurors will be able to clearly see that- no matter what JB & AL put out there, they will say in their heads and then in the jury room- but you don't kill your kid over that, you don't snuff out the life of the little one over being angry at your mom/dad.

I tend to think that was the real deal in that family- C & G didn't want to be saddled down with the full time caregiving & responsibility of Caylee- but they never wanted others to know their true feelings on that.

My dad has said that babies come at the right age- he loved having us kids, but he wouldn't want to start over again at the age he is now.

Maybe the A's felt that as well.


I'm happy that you get to enjoy your little guy this wkend. Give him extra hugs & kisses from your MB family here. :smile:

[Postergeist]

HI Sorrento,

actually I don´t think anybody is following the case from where I come from. Unfortunately. It seems like I am the only one. If not so, other posters...pls come out of hiding.

There were no news about this story in our newspapers. But there are news about Jaycee Lee Dugard recently. Maybe it´s `cause of the Fritzl case which was close to our country.

There was one article once about this board though. And it wasn´t friendly I have to admit. They were talking about you people as you all were grannies with lot´s of time (nothing else to do) and it said somehow this board is like a lynch mob. I apologize for that. But have nothing to do with it.

@gert
Thx for clearing that. I thought it was a Caylee memorial bracelet.

LL

Mornin' Luka- couldn't help but think of Alan Jackson's song "where I come from, it's cornbread and chicken...a lotta front porch sittin'" do you mind telling where you do come from?

LOL- well we do have grannies on here and great grans and lots of younger folks too, if they took the time to read around on our other forums here- they'd see there is more to "us" than just crime cases.

(or if they read the Holiday Board and see the hodge podge we do have)

we're all just everyday people :thumbup:

[Postergeist]

Ah ha dear Deanna!

Good point about all the police calls to their home prior! I forgot that little factoid that AL could use.

However, that still goes back to her having to have the family on the stand to try to corroborate this life of evil surroundings or deny it.

IMO- there will not be any former friends of Casey that will be able to do that- no witnesses if you will.

The most they could say was "Casey said that..."

and then Jesse could say-

well Cindy sure flipped a nutty when she saw us on the bed watching TV with Caylee.

and then what- Kiomarie saying - well Cindy is a bigot because she doesn't like people of Latin or Hispanic descent.

But everyone could say- gee, Casey got money, a car, furnishings, insurance coverage et al from her folks, free childcare and I had to work for all that I own.

I don't think the friends could say much as to how C & G did "anything wrong" with Casey, other than smother her too much?

I didn't get the impression that she had friends that ever witnessed a house of rage by ALL parties.

I also don't think that C & G would be willing to agree with any accusations thrown their way- unless Cindy will throw George under the bus and say "I love my daughter unconditionally- finger point -> it was George that made our lives a living hell".

But- you bringing up the police reports-

that could be an olive branch extended to Casey by the jurors...

it would be interesting to know if LE ever asked or had anyone removed from the house during those 'incidents'. That would show there was a disruptive party(person) in the home that needed to leave the premises, even if just over night.

AH! you mention the neighbors- well since none so far have said they heard Cindy last summer raise her voice with her daughter...

Casey's team could pull all the many videos out there of G, C & L blowing their gaskets on camera...

(darn, I sure hope to God I'm not helping the defense in any way!)

but then the Pros could come back and say look at all the interviews where they are steadfast FOR their daughter- they just hate the media, TES, bloggers, people with dogs, people with kids...but they LOVE and SUPPORT their daughter- here's the memorial tape!

You bring up Casey looking for a place to live-

was this really discussed much to her friends OR family prior to Caylee "being with the nanny" or was it after she was disposed of?

Hard to say if Cindy is capable of being scared of anything or anyone, let alone of her "apple".

[Julie Dupree]

This is totally off topic, but wanted to get it on the boards.
Last night Lavina gave us a link to a very interesting article about Andrea Lyons. This is one paragraph from that article. The entire article can be found at:

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/who-is-andrea-lyon-will-she-save-casey-anthony/

"Although her office handles only appeals, Lyon likes to try one or two cases a year, to keep her skills honed. She does them pro bono, on her own time. She is using her vacation time to work on the trial of James Kelly Jr., a former vice president of Merrill Lynch accused of murdering his ex-wife in 1991."

[Julie Dupree]

Good Morning everyone

[Postergeist]

Haven´t heard of Alan Jackson before. Like country music though, lol.
But have to admit. I still love John Denver. He´s my favourite :blushing: .

Yeah, tell our media.

I know that you all are not like that. My experience after more than two years on this board!
And (sarcasm on ...never been in band camp..sarcasm out) I enjoy talking to all you people here. Thanks.

LL

I´m from the "old country" - Germany.

thanks for answering luka- I think you'd like Alan, he's got a wonderful smile and a nice voice and a lot of humorous songs- here's his home page

http://www.alanjackson.com/

my best friend from childhood was German- so I grew up pronouncing gummi bears (goomie) like her family did, and then tried to correct all the people around me to quit saying "gummy" because it wasn't the "right" way to pronounce the candy- and I called her g'parents Omi and Opi just like she did.

:smile:

(we're not sure if we have German on my dad's mom's side, my grandma was adopted but the family would say she was because she was hard-headed, :blushing: sorry- his dad's people are Swiss)

[Julie Dupree]

Haven´t heard of Alan Jackson before. Like country music though, lol.
But have to admit. I still love John Denver. He´s my favourite :blushing: .

Yeah, tell our media.

I know that you all are not like that. My experience after more than two years on this board!
And (sarcasm on ...never been in band camp..sarcasm out) I enjoy talking to all you people here. Thanks.

LL

I´m from the "old country" - Germany.

Guten Morgen...I probably spelled that wrong:)
I have spend many wonderful summers in Germany and enjoyed every second. The one thing I noticed there is how well everyone spoke English, and certainly you are no exception.:)
I speak some German (my husband is fluent) but can not spell your long long words.
Welcome to our board. It is filled with great people who are drawn together because of this wonderful little girl that was killed.
Coffee is ready...
Julie

[Postergeist]

yanno Deannalynn- I oughta :punch: ya for posting on that other thread, I mean come on! you know that's just a freakin' whim of an advice thread!

and a thump on the head to Annie Pie as well- sheese!

j/k I :wub: ya both

[Postergeist]

Good Morning everyone

good mornin' Julie-

(you just ruined my brekkie appetite with that about AL). :mad:

how very magnanimous of her, how she spends her vacay time.

[Sorrento]

HI Sorrento,

actually I don´t think anybody is following the case from where I come from. Unfortunately. It seems like I am the only one. If not so, other posters...pls come out of hiding.

There were no news about this story in our newspapers. But there are news about Jaycee Lee Dugard recently. Maybe it´s `cause of the Fritzl case which was close to our country.

There was one article once about this board though. And it wasn´t friendly I have to admit. They were talking about you people as you all were grannies with lot´s of time (nothing else to do) and it said somehow this board is like a lynch mob. I apologize for that. But have nothing to do with it.

@gert
Thx for clearing that. I thought it was a Caylee memorial bracelet.

LL

Hi Lucky,
Thanks for answering! I think you're exactly right about the Dugart case coverage being associated with the Fritzl case. Both are so sad.

I guess Casey will be disappointed to know that people in Europe won't be wanting her autographed photos!

I'm glad to get your perspective. That's one reason I like to read these boards. I always learn something from other posters. I'm surprised that In Session was in the newpaper. I have to admit that sometimes these boards do sound like lynch mobs. I know there are many grannies, but I'm not one. I used to work with abused children so I have an interest in seeing what happens in the judicial system in cases like this. No need for you to apologize for the article.

By the way, your English is terrific. I'm terrible with languages (including my own). It's been 5 years since I've traveled to Europe but I hope to return in several years. So many places I haven't seen and others that I would like to see again.

I'll look forward to reading your posts and getting your perspective as this case progresses.

Sorrento

[Julie Dupree]

good mornin' Julie-

(you just ruined my brekkie appetite with that about AL). :mad:

how very magnanimous of her, how she spends her vacay time.


:( I am so sorry Postie...I would never intentionally do anything to ruin anything for you.
But I thought it was interesting that she does pro bono cases. Maybe that is why the court is being so lenient with the Thursday and Friday request.

[Julie Dupree]

Mornig Julie Dupree!

Hope you have a wonderful morning! With sunshine and all that.

LL

No, Guten Morgen is quite right. Guten Morgen auch Dir!
I hope coldwater is still sleeping. We are not allowed to use another language here I think.
Maybe that gets me into badcamp...

:) Thanks LL.
Coldwater does a great job of keeping us in line, and quite frankly I am glad she does. It helps to keep the board enjoyable.
We are in our rainy afternoon season in Florida now, but the sun is shinning and the storms only last for a short time, so it will be a good day. Hope yours is nice and sunny also.

[Postergeist]

BBM (learned that word yesterday from bchand and Lavinia)
Oh:wub:!! And I love Gummibaerchen!

But this is all O/T. I´m scared to get banned. So what you think. Maybe Casey suffered from postmortem psychosis?

ah- well none of us want to go there- hopefully we are allowed a little wiggle room for pleasantries during our long Labor Day weekend.

<crossing fingers, knocking wood>

(that's another thing that is great about our members here- if you need help w/ something about the board, etc. just ask & someone will explain it, and usually with kindness. Unless it gets on our nerves, then they get put on The List, lol- j/k)

I think you mean postpartum- after she gave birth to Caylee she had some sort of very long delayed psychotic break?

then if it's that- then nope.

She was able to feed, bathe and groom herself- drive a car, speak clearly and interact with others- no one claimed to witness any aberrant behavior from her period (because many, many knew she was a liar prior to her pregnancy)- imo she didn't pull a Britney Spears and shave her head and act loco.

[Postergeist]

:( I am so sorry Postie...I would never intentionally do anything to ruin anything for you.
But I thought it was interesting that she does pro bono cases. Maybe that is why the court is being so lenient with the Thursday and Friday request.

(((Julie))) I know it helps to have all the info we can to understand all the players in the case- but doing things pro bono isn't going to make me like her more, but I'm sure her clients appreciate it.


(hey- since it is a Holiday board, you think CW will let us have an O/T thread for Caylee posters- after all- it seems like there are always a gaggle of threads for all the politco groupie stuff chit chat whatever things)

[Julie Dupree]

Time to hit the shower. Breakfast with all the family and then to Mass.
Hope everyone has a great day.
Thanks for helping to start mine off with a smile:)
Julie

[Postergeist]

@postergeist

Of course I meant "postpartum". Sorry!
LL

understandable luka- since the sad fact of Caylee being in a 'post-mortem' state.



and c'ya later Julie, have a blessed morning :smile:

[desmom]

Over 26 pages and 1,000 posts. I started a Caylee Anthony part II

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13445386#post13445386

[Barbara fl.]

This is totally off topic, but wanted to get it on the boards.
Last night Lavina gave us a link to a very interesting article about Andrea Lyons. This is one paragraph from that article. The entire article can be found at:

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/who-is-andrea-lyon-will-she-save-casey-anthony/

"Although her office handles only appeals, Lyon likes to try one or two cases a year, to keep her skills honed. She does them pro bono, on her own time. She is using her vacation time to work on the trial of James Kelly Jr., a former vice president of Merrill Lynch accused of murdering his ex-wife in 1991."


Good morning everyone,

I certainly agree that Lyons is an articulate individual and knows her work very well....However, I believe her expertise is solely in saving the convicted from the DP....as for the defense part, I doubt that she had too much success in getting her clients off completely.....

There are a lot of people that are against the DP (myself included)...I do not like to think of death as a punishment (seeing as we all will be there one day).....but life in prison seems more of a punishment, no matter how some people may think that jail is heaven compared....I think that jail has to be horrible for anyone....you are told when to wake up, go to sleep, bathe, eat, go to the bathroom, etc., etc....this can not stand well with anyone....you are locked in a cage...never seeing the outside world again....you live in fear of your life all the time...and fear of death is worse then death itself....If, it were me, I would prefer death...

As for the bible version...I believe it says "eye for an eye" tooth for a tooth"....so that can be argued in either direction.....

Ms. Lyons job is not that hard of a job, when you think about it (on normal bases)....because most people have a problem with sentencing a person to death because they are God fearing people that don't want that on their concience.....BUT, in the state of florida I do believe that on the sentencing phase, it does not have to be 100% for it....unanimous vote counts....so Lyons' job is going to be a little harder because she will have to convince more then half the juror's to go against the DP...

I also believe that when Cindy first met Ms. Lyons she was told that she was only their to save Casey's life not to get her off....and that is why Cindy appeared upset in court that day (the only time I ever saw her upset)....the Anthony's know that Casey doesn't stand a chance in hell to get off of these charges.....the ONLY thing that the defense can do to try and call this case a win, is to save Casey from the DP...JMO